< 1354320564 980499 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354320571 232219 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354320608 2091 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354322566 442053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the best chess AI that can run on an ATtiny13 with 64 bytes of RAM under standard time controls? < 1354322591 988392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this would be more fun than writing a standard chess AI, and would require a lot more knowledge of the game < 1354322608 475944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Neverhood! < 1354322685 525397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, a chess AI that hasn't room to store more than a handful of game boards. check. < 1354322692 465207 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mate.) < 1354322754 667818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that's with some clever compression.) < 1354322822 54531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you just need one game board and the ability to store undos to previous positions, to do a minimax thing. < 1354322891 210905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354322949 568885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, good luck. < 1354323053 152100 :myndzl!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e NICK :myndzi < 1354323069 948034 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354323127 394744 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also have 1kB of read-only code+data < 1354323138 610787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually you can write to it but sloooooowly and only a limited number of times < 1354323277 794057 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354324291 106501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1354324295 477463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1354324308 729948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what does  do < 1354324332 245336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eally not much < 1354324369 413212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eally? < 1354324377 54466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott it's tomorrow now < 1354324381 165053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Øh wëll. < 1354324389 247845 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354324520 750928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is standard time controls? < 1354324677 867972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know < 1354324693 352964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FIDE gives "90 minutes for the first 40 moves followed by 30 minutes for the rest of the game with an addition of 30 seconds per move starting from move one" < 1354324853 422821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354326214 898155 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354329078 977317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made a GEN routine "s3msample" for use with Csound. S3M loop point is one after the end, and I do not know if this is the case with Csound. < 1354329787 730533 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354330236 26844 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354331412 23099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does not support Adlib instruments. Perhaps there could be a plugin or UDO which plays Adlib instruments? < 1354331899 197647 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354332054 378421 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1354332541 477494 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least what I think would be a good way to design a file browser for UNIX computers would be, is, if you type in some wildcards and push some key to open the file list which you can click the left button to add to the command, and perhaps right button to preview (you can set up the preview command with another key). < 1354332547 447968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think? < 1354333014 743198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up, sees kmc's chess AI < 1354333049 789222 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes... I guess you could fit a few bitboards in that < 1354333141 469452 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might be tricky though, I wonder if that's even enough room to store stuff for alpha/beta pruning < 1354333165 689351 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo038: yes your the ideas are good. but i really don't see why there must be a difference in the behaviour of a file browser and a http browser (for example). indeed i wonder why i need both.. < 1354333174 145909 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I < 1354333182 837089 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd even be worried about running out of just, like, temp space. like doing move generation < 1354333270 782271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2: Well, it is useful for different things, and there are other reasons too, why it should differ in whatever ways. < 1354333299 494282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i think it would be a fun challenge because you would rely a lot more on heuristic tricks rather than tree search < 1354333310 939155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the terminal emulator would load it to allow you to select files and then the files you selected are put in the command line. < 1354333317 122171 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i dunno. there should be a a good way to browse through any hierarchical grouped data < 1354333335 400237 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a chess AI sounds like a lot of fun < 1354333344 549928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i was judging students' othello AIs, it seemed that the ones that did reasonably well in very little time were more interesting than the ones that had a competent implementation of alpha-beta minimax that consumed the full available time < 1354333350 826916 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to do a good bit of chess stuff but I was more interested in the AI than in, like, the actual game ^^;; < 1354333361 139874 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :othello AIs! I remember that < 1354333363 919487 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1354333388 480401 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still a ton of heuristic stuff in tree search though < 1354333401 901628 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like so much, I remember reading for days about it < 1354333411 644788 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the really complicated heuristics for gauging the state of the board < 1354333428 798046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :extensions, quiescence search... < 1354333463 347016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be a fun thing for a hacker con with programmable badges < 1354333463 943241 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the horizon problem <_> < 1354333471 138395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to have a thing where you can program a chess AI onto your badge < 1354333476 325630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it plays against other people you encounter < 1354333504 65075 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is just about the nerdiest idea i've ever heard said < 1354333507 355071 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1354333514 916852 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite chess AI thing though is nakamura beating rybka in blitz chess < 1354333522 993763 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the horrid way he did it < 1354333531 523790 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was awesome < 1354333542 456637 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you mean the playbook hack thing < 1354333542 769278 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/20186536921/ ) < 1354333554 681498 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1354333566 269630 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :horizon effect abuse, plus 50-move-rule abuse < 1354333574 499378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd2: Well, I don't think HTTP really supports hierachical grouped data (although the file being served could be XML or something which does support it), which, the file manager should be difference due to such thing. < 1354333603 621858 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't try extensions which enhance the abilities of some browsers to browse files too, but i've heard they're out there < 1354333629 230410 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there are differences on the technical side < 1354333657 947141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still I don't think it is such a good idea as a general purpose file browser though, even if a web browser does have a file browser function. < 1354333705 670632 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is due to a kind of a strange meme < 1354333832 23611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: wow, nice < 1354333882 842701 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakamura is terrifying < 1354333889 923395 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a good way of course < 1354333959 404028 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horizon effect is really tricky though with tree search stuff in general < 1354333971 672454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the AI can keep "putting off" an inevitable doom and make it look like it's not actually coming < 1354333979 25461 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's hard to prove that it is < 1354334015 242026 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google chess programming wiki horizon effect < 1354334017 416218 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Horizon+Effect < 1354334539 551108 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if no other routes are specified you can access files on a http server in the way their source is organised in files and directories on the server itself. nevertheless you can access all other routes with a string (typically by separating the tree level element names with a slash or sth) < 1354334633 386961 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354334762 16495 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand: who is typing urls anyway? < 1354334876 262655 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i know it was my stupid idea :) < 1354334903 314980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do type URLs sometimes. < 1354334946 763083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However even though with HTTP generally (not always) the directory/filename is the URL, still HTTP doesn't have the option to list the files, so you have to instead output a HTML or XML file or whatever which list them. < 1354334958 41620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am usually typing in the URL if I want one. < 1354334970 200984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WebDAV probably has a standard way to list them < 1354335018 5656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it does, I don't know. < 1354335028 791514 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right. file listing is not allowed by default.. or better say route listing (which could be an option in the future) < 1354335038 858359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want file listing, use FTP < 1354335070 850778 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for menus in general, you can use gopher. < 1354335080 487625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1354335095 482231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suppose you can also use Plan9 protocol for file access is another way. < 1354335151 420930 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh np, i could use even http < 1354335193 514259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you want file listing, that is what FTP is for, not HTTP. < 1354335300 413761 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the issue was to provide a sitemap, to enable the user to browse hierarchical grouped data not beeing bounded to "old fashioned ways" beeing aware of where the data is physically stored < 1354335316 205458 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there is no such standard < 1354335318 548382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, that is what gopher menu is for. < 1354335430 740729 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the idea to mount anything as device :) < 1354335476 24536 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on which i could just navigate like on my filesystem.. that's it < 1354335518 170067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I think is programs should expose a virtual filesystem (if they have one) in their directory under /proc/ < 1354335549 276714 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that comes closer to what i called a route map < 1354335550 414670 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So process ID 666 might have a virtual filesystem under /proc/666/fs/ or something like that. < 1354335646 5772 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1354335718 345078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they should make it, if you have environment variable XPID for the X process ID, to access X clipboard buffers and stuff like /proc/$XPID/fs/PRIMARY and so on, as if it is like ordinary files. < 1354335737 491768 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :absolutely < 1354335744 945969 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we're at home brp < 1354335757 416304 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1354336094 579198 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this tree should relly be pretty much orgnanized by the logical context rather than by physical storage or sth < 1354336188 651700 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the role in which the user behaves on the system might change the access (or even the structure) < 1354336376 370790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPdzCZdvBp0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhACtJSCtq4 < 1354336445 722932 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354336563 899166 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi how did i know this would be return to the neverhood < 1354336594 790298 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1354336638 499692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you psychic < 1354336652 19626 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would explain it < 1354336665 584226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: or was it "bitter experience" < 1354336679 491981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354336681 30416 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bitter experience of you telling me to listen to return to the neverhood < 1354336743 716938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes that one < 1354337341 29003 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354337368 243791 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354337651 59990 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1354337682 405098 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354338722 788017 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354338940 696435 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354342289 155698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the sample rate does not mean the delay wanted is an integer number of samples, what is the best way to modify the delay buffer to more closely approxmiate the delay wanted more precisely? < 1354343388 792376 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354343854 700941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example if the delay is 3.5 samples then how to make it closer to 3.5 rather than 3 or 4? < 1354344159 214430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apache is now disabling SSL compression by default < 1354344396 819923 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354344971 965627 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354345428 848664 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354345507 850099 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354345621 894240 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were to build a program which just takes as input the Godel or "description" number of a Turing machine, along with an input, could the space of input for this program be correctly termed a "programming language"? < 1354345647 115663 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354345650 467560 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want < 1354345652 227507 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say so < 1354345665 871601 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354345665 983909 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354345671 465770 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, would YOU call it a programming language? :P < 1354345681 183698 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PART :#esoteric < 1354345689 723076 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354345693 163998 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd call it inefficient, have you /seen/ godel-encoded stuff? < 1354345718 313927 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have; this isn't a practical project I'm planning on doing < 1354345783 279329 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354345871 461643 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't seen godel-encoded stuff < 1354345899 376459 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know how it works, right? code up something to encode strings or w/e and see for yourself < 1354345903 360841 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you have bignums! < 1354345940 915943 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :godel encoded programs are shorter than brainfuck programs if they use a good encoding < 1354346083 4167 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo__: here's the reference I've been using: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/GoedelNumber.html < 1354346115 323775 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I've got a few ideas in mind :D if it works out, I'll share it here < 1354346146 727948 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifnspifn: what ideas are those? so far you've just described the standard UTM definition < 1354346228 203405 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, I was going to go a few levels above just natural numbers, mostly for novelty/interest; in particular, I'm planning on making an interpreter which will read regular english words (e.g. an essay) and return a reasonably large godel number < 1354346256 485702 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most probably won't correspond to valid programs, you realize < 1354346261 655154 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1354346303 206760 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for demonstrative purposes, I'll start with some simple machine (Fibonacci, etc) have a dict.txt file and choose adequate words randomly < 1354346324 869185 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from there it might be the case that I can prune a somewhat sensible selection of words, but that's not necessary < 1354346379 468678 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my text-to-natural number converter is flexible enough though, it should be possible to get a meaningful english snippet < 1354346541 123061 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354346584 697252 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any particular reason you're involving godel coding? < 1354346857 109449 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because it's neat, and an interesting way to represent a TM < 1354346910 328121 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not just for TMs, it's for arbitrary strings of integers < 1354346915 591252 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuojncesvqtsrpww JOIN :#esoteric < 1354346936 666561 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354346992 885135 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely! I actually started learning about its application to his Incompleteness theorems long before I started programming < 1354347019 911139 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the numbering system, although far from practical, has always struck me as very elegant < 1354347039 691763 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be interested in looking at optimal coding < 1354347087 607508 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, funny you mention that. I'm currently in an introductory abstract algebra class, and got waaaaay over my head in Shannon's work with groups and coding < 1354347119 863562 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can find shannon's big paper on communication online somewhere, though it's a bit old now < 1354347187 806856 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll definitely check it out. I suppose the foundational papers are usually a good place to start, considering how technical the modern coding schemes are < 1354347200 733368 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff like huffman coding is pretty easy to understand < 1354347233 843341 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, I've got most of the basic schemes down < 1354347257 273224 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shannon's paper is just about information entropy and stuff iirc, fundamental but hasn't changed much < 1354347286 73302 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stuff though? *whoosh* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_Golay_code < 1354347333 143461 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things like "twelve-dimensional subspace" aren't nearly as scary as they look. just persevere, it'll make sense soon < 1354347437 281776 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good advice, thanks :) < 1354347454 304443 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my linear algebra has been neglected for one too many semesters.. < 1354347471 830068 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354347486 136619 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should follow up your godel thing with representing tms as infinite-dimensional matrices, just to practice your linear shit < 1354347651 991676 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to imagine how that representation applies.. an infinite dimensional matrix would correspond to a TM's (potentially) infinite string, where each "digit" is a vector? < 1354347708 491377 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, just to computable functions (note that I'm tired and not thinking this through) < 1354348845 12450 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354348876 871813 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354349160 945722 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are plenty of operations such that a `op` a = a + 1 but a `op` non-a is not necessarily a+1 < 1354349182 835294 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(a, b) = log_2 (2^a + 2^b) is one, but there's another < 1354349193 546516 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(a, b) = (a+b)/2 + 1 < 1354349235 99907 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about f such that f(a,a) = a+1 but f(a,b) = 37 < 1354349292 866755 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where a!=b ? < 1354349300 552008 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354349350 844191 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also f(a,b) = a+1 for all a and all b except when a=0 and b=1; f(0,1) = 0 < 1354349378 457281 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lots of easy ones, but ... there's something more interesting about the two I named, I think < 1354350552 115456 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354350596 302492 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354350596 375824 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354350596 375952 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354350638 362146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1354351376 982041 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354351661 161821 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354351668 696556 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354351818 261344 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354351889 406046 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1354352334 407740 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354352377 684473 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1354352511 993062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354352539 734978 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: asleep < 1354354768 323598 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :whitef < 1354354878 170167 :whitef!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1354355135 186226 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pybjuirubotjhxik QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354355137 547403 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354355139 6294 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354355278 69584 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pybjuirubotjhxik JOIN :#esoteric < 1354355278 179453 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354355278 179617 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354357666 712903 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354357770 915462 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pltgames.com/competition/2012/12 cue the brainfuck derivatives < 1354358210 13854 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it really list Befunge as a turing tarpit? < 1354358253 792816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you feel like living in a tar pit? < 1354358254 347794 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there is always a dumb fuck? < 1354358275 974556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: There's no call for that sort of language, young ma... uh... bot! < 1354358276 668031 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it doesn't output anything. either it has to < 1354358383 750423 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354358816 134307 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/REVERSE This reminds me of unefunge < 1354359070 149547 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unefunge programs tend to be so >a#Eb#Dc#Cd#Be#A_-y. < 1354359106 665516 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use semicolons, be happier < 1354359147 266268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are probably really few (if any) bidirectional pieces of code in fungot. < 1354359148 147186 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and subtle cough too, sort of reminiscent of " the little schemer is a good approach < 1354359160 709676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are also no semicolons.) < 1354359239 78663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are three j's, and they're all jump tables.) < 1354359253 780547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354359275 762066 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354359325 246894 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your style is too maintainable, you should be crisscrossing all over the place < 1354359390 445042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's just because I'm so stuck in the 93s. < 1354359424 706042 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you were actually stuck in the 93s you'd be forced to crisscross due to having only 80x25 space < 1354359457 926134 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use semicolons, in fact it's better if you don't because they make it too easy < 1354360073 114963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354360682 83700 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354361279 50676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mentally stuck, not physically stuck. < 1354361325 797715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I just naturally avoid the actually-new features, not things like increased playfield size. < 1354361339 145479 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I have any [] turnings in there either. < 1354361394 648167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's one. < 1354361429 225009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually just a combined v and ^. < 1354361494 824281 :sirdancealot8!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354364464 329114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1354364907 648139 :mekeor!~user@dslb-092-075-081-074.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354364976 872781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being physically stuck in 1993 must be weird < 1354365034 937550 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you somehow sent back one year every year? or do you stay young forever? < 1354365767 410633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't know; I'm not stuck that way. < 1354366484 492928 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354367574 586567 :mekeor!~user@dslb-092-075-081-074.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Quit: cu < 1354372171 953029 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354373302 165354 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354373738 790117 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354374783 871762 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354375143 894536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is some awful keming on Chromium's part: http://slbkbs.org/keming.png < 1354375230 287334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it an Unicom? < 1354375244 565340 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it related to the Farnicorn? < 1354375271 847782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The HTML source says Unicorn < 1354375956 53921 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shivers at the horribly blurry font rendering in the screenshot < 1354376247 752150 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, shouldn't horrible keming be good kerning? < 1354376286 168813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's true. < 1354377026 169754 :SPYGAME!~SPYGAME@182.178.234.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354377249 932332 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354377372 985921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fyi i was sleeping when you said it was tomorrow < 1354377407 401471 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is understandable i guess < 1354378222 140347 :SPYGAME!~SPYGAME@182.178.234.220 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354378252 66367 :myndzi\!myndzi@174-31-191-131.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354378259 347901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354378261 154844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354378303 602220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1354380113 999661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0262018462/ < 1354380377 471841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc -e 'import System.Random' -e 'putStr . map ("╱╲"!!) . randomRs (0,1) =<< newStdGen' < 1354380567 7043 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354380687 214093 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 205.5 < 1354380725 154147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Halfway between Í and Î? < 1354380750 746055 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354380907 851580 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354381050 296222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:C64_Petscii_Charts.png < 1354381188 682130 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354381300 61545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see RND(1) returns a float between 0 and 1 < 1354381317 114898 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1354381348 888453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/c64-8x8.png I made this once for an "ASCII-compatible" "C64-inspired" "high half is mostly line-drawing" thing. < 1354381520 441533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've forgotten what the £ is there for. < 1354381540 2511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of the last characters are slightly application-specific, too. < 1354381598 970637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the book contains an equivalent program written in http://esolangs.org/wiki/PATH as well < 1354382457 968302 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354382461 603967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354382495 212933 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1354382502 842756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1354382942 506267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: "Windwoes" < 1354382964 489113 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that’s what lead to my comment. < 1354382991 738670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: yes. but then I repeated it! < 1354382992 115237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windwhoas < 1354383420 991025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Oh, they were just being political. < 1354383819 634861 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :╱╲ ╲ ╱╲ ╱╲ ╲ ╱ ╱ ╱╲ ╱╲ ╱╲ < 1354383820 55809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :╲ ╲ ╲ ╱ ╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱ ╲╱ ╱ ╱ ╲╱ ╲╱ ╱ < 1354383823 179874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh < 1354383835 720934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :╱╲ ╲ ╱╲ ╱╲ ╲ ╱ ╱ ╱╲ ╱╲ ╱╲ < 1354383836 283179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :╲ ╲ ╲ ╱ ╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ ╲ ╲╱╲ ╲╱╲ < 1354383839 799286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ╲╱ ╲╱ ╱ ╱ ╲╱ ╲╱ ╱ < 1354383849 292876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought those were some kind of runes. < 1354383849 911252 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354383850 841563 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354383853 634306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1354383854 453565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So did I! < 1354383858 543586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes they do look runic < 1354383858 912281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminded me of Myst or something. < 1354383859 276072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354383863 51857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, forgot the bottom part of the 1 < 1354383868 704293 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1354383880 44315 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of a simple maze generator < 1354383884 478646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: now make it work on the alphabet too < 1354383885 250966 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 7 < 1354383904 264429 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A simple way to generate mazes is to randomly print ╱ or ╲ < 1354383911 952095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: WOW REALLY TELL ME MORE < 1354383936 850619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is what we have been talking about) < 1354383948 66017 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have? Where? < 1354383951 2526 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1354383952 116645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rigth here < 1354383957 278662 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't see that < 1354383958 94546 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were generating /// programs < 1354383978 303921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you can't make them longer on an actual 7 seg display < 1354383992 142538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I go to http://www.meetup.com/Stripe/events/92206302/ ? < 1354383992 902210 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if all combinations of / and \ are valid /// programs < 1354384023 50992 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do the whole alphabet < 1354384024 509933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Also those aren't mazes. < 1354384029 842681 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354384039 317465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shrug < 1354384042 590993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1354384042 834568 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, they aren't guaranteed to have a way through < 1354384054 753781 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or to only have an unique way through < 1354384086 409350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We're trying something a little different this time: while the hackathon will still be informal and you're welcome to hack on anything you'd like, we're encouraging projects built on top of Stripe Connect (stripe.com/connect)." < 1354384100 817360 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yes < 1354384117 124264 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless maybe you had, like \ on its own at the end of the file < 1354384126 510726 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing before it < 1354384136 875655 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also use "|| __" as the random characters < 1354384140 939647 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or other stuff < 1354384199 174415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use "           " as the random characters. < 1354384203 936200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0020 SPACE [ ] < 1354384206 336087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :00A0 NO-BREAK SPACE [ ] < 1354384212 995770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2002 EN SPACE [ ] < 1354384213 155069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003 EM SPACE [ ] < 1354384213 226529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2004 THREE-PER-EM SPACE [ ] < 1354384213 226737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2005 FOUR-PER-EM SPACE [ ] < 1354384213 226849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2006 SIX-PER-EM SPACE [ ] < 1354384215 449748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007 FIGURE SPACE [ ] < 1354384217 919504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2008 PUNCTUATION SPACE [ ] < 1354384220 535509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009 THIN SPACE [ ] < 1354384222 933247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :200A HAIR SPACE [ ] < 1354384225 688762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, those lines were supposed to merge into one super-line. < 1354384226 354835 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354384228 70533 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, well. < 1354384230 180161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should make a brainfuck derivative < 1354384248 934544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What, no 205F MEDIUM MATHEMATICAL SPACE? < 1354384262 512735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I'm racist against mathematicians. < 1354384267 694664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :space has a terrible power < 1354384279 506535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3035 IDEOGRAPHIC HALF FILL SPACE < 1354384279 862650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :␠ < 1354384309 779889 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354384316 959103 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: They all look like a single space to me < 1354384335 571304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Maybe you should put on your 3D glasses then. < 1354384364 229706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are all a single space < 1354384373 129027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each of abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz is a single letter < 1354384402 632602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once heard U and I were together. < 1354384413 904336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that was just a rumour. < 1354384424 470120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OGHAN SPACE MARK is in the Zs "Separator, Space" category even though it has a line right through it. < 1354384429 551093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OGHAM, I mean. < 1354384460 54904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the ETHIOPIC WORDSPACE is two dots, but at least it's Punctuation, Other. < 1354384492 883888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354384526 972018 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz don't look the same though < 1354384534 274748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What about ᠎ < 1354384540 481319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the spaces won't look the same either < 1354384543 100438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the right font < 1354384556 731432 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in a terminal. Monospace fonts only < 1354384561 265495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1354384563 203780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's yer problem < 1354384564 843578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: In NetHack I used a configuration option that remapped ghosts to Xs < 1354384567 974547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead of spaces. < 1354384572 483664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cheating?" < 1354384575 521806 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1354384587 237982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful < 1354384622 829161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The MONGOLIAN VOWEL SEPARATOR is also whitespace, but at least it's empty. < 1354384674 326765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I THINK YOU MEAN personspace < 1354384685 331215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still not clear on why all those emoji made it into unicode < 1354384707 17803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: GREEN APPLE. < 1354384720 170387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they draw the line between "a nonstandard character encoding with a bunch of new characters" and "a strange binary encoding for both characters and certain graphics" < 1354384804 320237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to invent ISO-8859-GOATSE where every codepoint above 0x7F is goatse < 1354384814 575507 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Committee members debate it, basically. < 1354384829 302585 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... So, you'll probably not get that through unless you can convince people it should be done. < 1354384841 419809 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, Apple and Google proposed the emoji set initially. < 1354384866 76886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1354384871 814750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought they came from japanese mobile phone companies < 1354384883 296226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who were already using these characters in nonstandard encodings < 1354384891 26788 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's who made the characters in nonstandard encodings. < 1354384900 917193 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google and Apple are the ones who wanted them in standard encodings. < 1354384901 284954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see, and apple and google pushed for them to become part of the UCS < 1354384910 487208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they want to be able to compete in japan < 1354384921 83043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody will use Android if they can't text their friend a PILE OF POO < 1354384928 208762 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1354384999 594812 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354385308 794084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354385360 189420 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/4644 hey, rapido showed up on LtU! < 1354385452 73251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's an innovative GHC switch, don't you think? < 1354385486 286868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which < 1354385493 735479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354385513 881768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: haha < 1354385627 997941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "I'm not sure what the goal (or point) of this document is, and how you evaluate whether it accomplished it or not." < 1354385632 942275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1354385732 258497 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently he wants a language with no runtime exceptions < 1354385777 179305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's just a total language < 1354385793 628267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You know the thing where State = Reader + Writer? < 1354385797 249362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, of course, represent division in such a language just fine... by giving it a proper type < 1354385842 828141 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i don't think he understands that < 1354386081 440130 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354386160 40444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354386416 253676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/) :: (Num a, MonadPlus m) => a -> a -> m a < 1354386507 159759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ITYM div :: < 1354386524 840945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even div :: Nat -> PosNat -> Nat etc. < 1354386683 663177 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354387010 400818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :div :: Nat -> (d :: Nat) -> Positive d -> Nat < 1354387028 206402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at all the types i know < 1354387042 925551 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit curious what he even means by "destroying information" < 1354387049 219951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: not the best infix operator < 1354387052 308864 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, is 14/2 supposed to be distinct from 7? < 1354387642 898119 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354387833 265967 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354387912 456955 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PART #esoteric :"Left" < 1354388080 52382 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think he just means, "x * 0 = 0 is bad" < 1354388093 399128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0 but true" < 1354388103 59007 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1354388108 873331 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1354388192 481116 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: yeah but i'm trying to put more thought into it than he did < 1354389758 778023 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354389764 734374 :Lumpio_!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354390812 253179 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354390812 363185 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354390812 363360 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354391066 555943 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354391106 239213 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354391106 351510 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354391106 351650 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354391398 784119 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354391583 310964 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354391669 912863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354392424 787451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354392577 335109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'd call it inefficient, have you /seen/ godel-encoded stuff? < 1354392655 711340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you _can_ encode things more compactly than using prime factorization exponents, if you want. it's just that prime factorization exponents is intuitive to think about, even if not efficient. < 1354392702 454810 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for me, but of course that's very subjective < 1354392729 756835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact we had a discussion some years ago about how to encode brainfuck programs bijectively to numbers, and you had to choose the coding carefully to avoid short programs giving huge blowup. but it is possible. < 1354392740 388989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did we ever come up with a viable encoding < 1354392848 28274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so. wasn't there this fibonacci base encoding of a list? < 1354392895 481486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1354392897 573408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically you took each value, wrote it in fibonacci base, interspersed 11 between them (which cannot occur in fibonacci base) and interpreted _that_ as binary. < 1354392914 339651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's reasonably balanced between the list elements, naturally. < 1354392942 716945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um that doesn't work for a bijection does it < 1354392954 252980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fibonacci base beginning with 1 and ending with 0 < 1354392973 761800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it did < 1354392979 396490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it does idk < 1354393000 63242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm forget the * < 1354393017 147071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there were some small details that needed to be just right to make it a bijection < 1354393056 614337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait maybe you just interspersed 1 < 1354393064 700953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they were already beginning with 1 < 1354393085 578484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to reverse, you broke up the binary at strings of several 1's < 1354393169 981090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that encoding may have had some trouble with deep nesting, though. < 1354393208 298278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's a constant multiple of approxim. phi/2 for each level < 1354393321 557053 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have had ideas about some encoding of brainfuck programs with natural numbers. < 1354393325 580485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could have that since all high bits are zero, they correspond to [] at beginning of the program, might be able to make it bijective. < 1354393368 804068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifnspifn: see above ^ < 1354393613 381238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifnspifn: you might also be interested in http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fractran < 1354393909 788181 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354393929 998572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354394098 319811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I don't know if all combinations of / and \ are valid /// programs < 1354394116 818028 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\" on its own isn't, I don't think? < 1354394122 635578 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Fractran's nuts... thanks for sharing! < 1354394139 812824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure they are. there's a "if you don't have a complete command the program halts" rule. < 1354394147 882052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ifnspifn: you're welcome! < 1354394182 50498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course only the current command is parsed at all, since the rest can be changed at any time. < 1354394204 813517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!slashes \ < 1354394207 506903 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354394236 521118 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION randomly notes that fopencookie is a neat interface < 1354395089 603393 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1354395136 692455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly -----### < 1354395145 497385 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1354395167 660861 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why, hello there < 1354395172 759665 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'day < 1354397010 325465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mate. < 1354397046 748611 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354397051 769340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check. < 1354397076 495480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should help me get IPv6 working!!! < 1354397177 657203 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Sum. < 1354397223 46893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dim. < 1354397284 436600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can not fathom why it would not work. Does it work from irssi at all? If you, say, "/connect -6 -network Freenode chat.eu.freenode.net 6667". < 1354397307 697179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, what I did from telnet was SSL-less. < 1354397315 770257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could set my irssi to non-SSL for a bit. < 1354397341 62175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That /connect with explicit 6667 port should be SSL-less. < 1354397361 294014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1354397364 597500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will that do my autojoins and so on? < 1354397366 224268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared. < 1354397450 168169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you have to run the autojoin macro manually after connecting? < 1354397520 944834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think with -network Freenode it should work just as if you would have added a temporary server to the Freenode network. < 1354397527 269935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm certainly un-sure. < 1354397534 125598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have to manually disconnect before doing that, right? < 1354397540 764697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it'll try to connect to both servers at the same time or something. < 1354397581 514129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmaybe, yes. < 1354397595 625779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still scared. < 1354397707 776568 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354397742 162140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be scared, too. < 1354397802 886622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You should try it! < 1354398159 73264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too scared to. < 1354398185 468097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Colenses are "pretty exciting huh" < 1354398202 369179 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354398287 691772 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Bulb, by the way. < 1354398315 548840 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, did you start the fortress yet < 1354398329 986028 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354398338 243404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm waiting for fizzie to try it. < 1354398345 819958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: How could he, with the IPv6 problem still unfixed? It's unthinkable. < 1354398387 503323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: C'mon. < 1354398389 565453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What could go wrong? < 1354398398 343933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything would catch flame. < 1354398407 237626 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought IPv6 didn't exist in the UK or something < 1354398427 507321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It'll be exciting! < 1354398547 48397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Onion. < 1354398605 179602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Router. < 1354398611 652738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I foresee a problem here. < 1354398622 291959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: would i be a better person if i acquired ftl < 1354398640 994611 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it would be best to nip it off in the bud. < 1354398644 961971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: IPv6. < 1354398657 616993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nothing like merging the conversations, right?) < 1354398660 951931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TEST IT < 1354398678 724108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Problem. < 1354398680 692327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NOOO. < 1354398685 113290 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, but everyone else would be worse, so it would be a net win for you. < 1354398687 345726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Child. < 1354398714 170624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to say "killer", but I'm afraid it might have negative social consequences. < 1354398771 200276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Do I need OpenGL for it? < 1354398836 8235 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1354398862 395372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: TEST < 1354398865 693828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: help < 1354398955 71325 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354399029 411983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: NEST < 1354399105 947367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think you need not worry about those kind of social consequences in this specific circumstances. < 1354399293 17447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow TEST < 1354399293 404175 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02T03E04S05T < 1354399296 745681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: DO IT < 1354399561 840211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No can do, I am suddenly busy with various important matters. < 1354399840 721223 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354400159 814971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sudden urge to hide the bodies better < 1354400428 698620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you disguise them? < 1354400460 933566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean fizzie's sudden urge. to avoid negative social consequences, you see. < 1354400796 190156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in Dungeons&Dragons game I have idea what to do with the chancellor's dead body, which includes both disguising it and hiding it, and casting a spell on myself to forget it. < 1354400915 822983 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, I think hiding the bodies is not sufficient, live or dead. < 1354400965 27974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1354401120 48618 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354402749 881144 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so cold... < 1354402759 144957 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is my room so cold < 1354402793 120627 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354402943 455072 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: winter is coming < 1354402981 414558 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1354403017 664895 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, because your country hasn't invented insulation yet < 1354403030 655644 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq, do you have the window open < 1354403035 672956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic mistake, that one < 1354403058 330754 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(tip: Alt-F4 usually closes the window) < 1354403097 743102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're on a mac, then it's cmd-w < 1354403105 197714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're on linux it's anyone's guess < 1354403115 559388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl-alt-del? < 1354403133 745628 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ^C ? < 1354403305 564601 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^Q? < 1354403406 410040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, that's not even consistent on the command line < 1354403450 200224 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: ^Q is xoff < 1354403484 278826 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows? < 1354403485 392636 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1354403544 617077 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354403723 680096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes use Ubuntu computer in FreeGeek, so I know at least in Ubuntu, close window is ALT+F4 like in Windows. < 1354403760 62494 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^w closes some windows too. < 1354403803 598969 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I myself prefer ^ak < 1354403929 232645 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354404335 278013 :augur!~augur@69.140.133.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354404443 149578 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354404897 737618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, temperature, you're _not_ allowed to drop below -10 celsius :( < 1354404934 474190 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been waiting for it to drop below 0°C here... < 1354404938 440954 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is a weird ass winter) < 1354404992 637627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreca is forecasting -21°C for the Sun-Mon night. < 1354405019 72834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see -15 on tuesday. < 1354405079 577989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daily highs go -12, -9, -6 -14, -11, -7, -7, -6, -4, -5 in the ten-day forecast, that's not so cold. < 1354405105 183310 :augur!~augur@69.140.133.153 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354405113 421825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its -74 on pluto < 1354405130 217280 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At that point just start doing it in Kelvin. < 1354405140 304800 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :199K. < 1354405145 531759 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only -74? < 1354405151 59204 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says it's 33-55K < 1354405163 266107 :augur!~augur@69.140.133.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354405164 447272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pluto is having a heat wave? < 1354405179 907412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, depends on the place i suppose < 1354405213 132627 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pluto doesn't have an atmosphere worth talking about, right? < 1354405222 886421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so < 1354405232 317161 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no climate. sucks < 1354405232 555646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pluto's atmosphere consists of a thin envelope of nitrogen, methane, and carbon monoxide gases, which are derived from the ices of these substances on its surface.[89] Its surface pressure ranges from 6.5 to 24 μbar." < 1354405256 959482 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pressure is about like 0.15-0.3 pascal < 1354405270 78992 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :accordnig to like, different measurements >_>; < 1354405275 99865 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing new horizons will make things a lot more certain < 1354405279 140791 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not like we've been there < 1354405287 713655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did it with observations of occultations with stars < 1354405288 993371 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by "we" i am referring to our robot slaves) < 1354405302 842781 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know, but that's not as accurate as just flying a barometer out there, is it < 1354405311 465783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe our robot slaves will revolt and send us there. < 1354405313 30021 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354405321 257293 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one can only hope < 1354405324 549114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we're actually putting the spaceship in the atmosphere XD < 1354405336 165138 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boooooriiiiing < 1354405348 805554 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see if arnold's cousin's corpse is actually there, from magic school bus < 1354405358 817166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you need to bore deeply to get to the interesting parts < 1354405389 515501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic school bus had deaths? < 1354405403 515007 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we need new horizons to find out < 1354405443 366641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mind you i think i may have seen approx. 1/2 episode of that show. < 1354405550 310394 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354405583 361542 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354405638 866972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:39:04 only -74? < 1354405641 870153 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :space probes are so cool, I'll finally be able to actually live through one exploring the outer planets < 1354405641 941428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i didn't specify units!! < 1354405653 662981 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I was alive with Galileo but I was really young < 1354405656 480717 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :-74 degrees hird < 1354405693 26228 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and voyager 2 passed neptune the year before I was born < 1354405931 765719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, uh what about cassini < 1354405950 245390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember reading a book about space when i was little and there was a thing about cassini < 1354405963 537225 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when it actually reached saturn i was like "holy shit it's the future!" < 1354406124 268045 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right!! < 1354406129 57357 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I totally forgot about that one < 1354406145 482259 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION randomly notes that Planck temperature is perhaps the hardest to actually *use* temperature scale. < 1354406158 871071 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember the pictures it took and everything < 1354406159 339947 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :planck temperature is some absurdly high thing, right < 1354406162 23689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the news about Titan < 1354406169 966497 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 Planck temp = 0 K. 1 Planck temp ~= 1.4*10^8 YK. < 1354406179 38615 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. It's in yottakelvin. < 1354406186 249140 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an oft-used unit right there < 1354406191 894428 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the planck temperature is where they hypotheize grand unification right? < 1354406196 494740 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use a larger SI prefix but they don't exist. < 1354406204 744219 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1354406214 588194 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Among other things. < 1354406225 980420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1354406232 829114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combine SI prefixes if it is really necessary (even though you are not supposed to combine them) < 1354406237 907257 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gigayottakelvin! < 1354406250 466910 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah, it's not even a gigayottakelvin < 1354406255 320624 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought planck units were just where the theory totally breaks down < 1354406257 313125 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about 0.14 gigayottakelvin. < 1354406268 592673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily where some physically-significant thing happens < 1354406270 25584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used "decimicron" before, which is short for "decimicrometre" < 1354406272 716681 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Yuh. And then people guess what that means. < 1354406301 977029 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With no justification, because why figure shit out when you can speculate. ;) < 1354406303 614309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously what this proves is that 1.4*10^8 yottas is the biggest number ever < 1354406308 58781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrafinitism proven by physics < 1354406316 40238 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but < 1354406318 38064 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :attoparsecs < 1354406318 573877 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are also some units that I don't like, such as "tonne", so we can use "megagram" instead, for example. < 1354406328 142652 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :10^3 K: weld; 10^6 K: fusion; 10^32: grand unification? < 1354406334 475892 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kilokilogram < 1354406337 630102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: have you ever SEEN an attoparsec < 1354406349 252123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354406352 414234 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, wait, wait, i thought that at least some of the planck units do correspond to physical things, like with energy quantification and all < 1354406356 358165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354406358 627891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urk < 1354406367 500167 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Beheheh. The peak wavelength emitted by a black body radiator at Planck temperature is also Planck length. < 1354406368 234547 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look around you maths is off youtube now :( < 1354406378 114820 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1354406383 653666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kilokilogram" can be used too, but "kilo" is already the SI prefix for "gram" (even though "kilogram" is considered the base unit) < 1354406388 185960 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think um... 1TeV is roughly equal to 11 petakelvins < 1354406395 359775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott use your dvds and find out what the biggest number is < 1354406401 315253 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like the LHC gets like 11 petakelvins < 1354406421 146992 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354406421 809109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm roughly 50.5 attoparsecs tall! seeeee < 1354406429 956734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5054356894457127152 < 1354406431 939768 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorty < 1354406436 578944 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the barn-megaparsec is my favourite stupid unit < 1354406450 925408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's actually a completely reasonable unit < 1354406455 562518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tonne" is confusing with "ton" so I think "tonne" should not be used. < 1354406458 706024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i think this means you may actually be shorter than me < 1354406460 579719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a first < 1354406493 466275 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, the derived Planck units are often quite reasonable. < 1354406495 308454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the hubble-barn is also a reasonable unit < 1354406510 337681 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: For instance, 1 Planck impedence is about 30 ohms. < 1354406535 422529 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1354406541 713957 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait how tall are you < 1354406542 199130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the planck pressure, though... < 1354406552 874222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, like 1.7m iirc < 1354406560 468417 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :less, even < 1354406565 433526 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4.63309e113 Pa? Jesus. < 1354406566 931881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 attoparsec -> m < 1354406571 583518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am like 5 feet 1 inch or something < 1354406577 806675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i grew since the last time i figured that out < 1354406583 928226 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I'm 5'1" too < 1354406593 37604 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.030856775813057289536 < 1354406608 920740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another thing you can do other than use metres and so on, is if the other units are wrong size, use other base units. So, such things as lightyear and so on, etc. < 1354406616 339412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :planck momentum is reasonable < 1354406620 872640 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.4 petayottayottayottayottapascal? < 1354406637 200580 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.4 PYYYYPa is awesome. < 1354406638 183375 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an attoparsec is like 3cm < 1354406651 63301 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :attoparsec per microfortnight is the best though :3 < 1354406663 46700 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit over an inch? Huh. < 1354406665 888903 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about a foot per second or something, right? < 1354406715 955203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dwarf fortress units are quite silly < 1354406726 737963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're fahrenheit + 9000 or something < 1354406731 356724 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354406746 109025 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a cm/s I think < 1354406761 187200 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, a lightnanosecond is about a foot < 1354406787 730930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it would be < 1354406896 923483 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.18 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354407108 306064 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. Planck charge is also fairly reasonable. About 12 times larger than the elementary charge. < 1354407154 817531 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354407160 383076 :ifnspifn_!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354407183 875685 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354407190 281968 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, you mean the coulomb? < 1354407198 717582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the coulomb is not a reasonable unit < 1354407204 205147 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the charge of an electron < 1354407210 333958 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: No, the elementary charge is the magnitude of the charge of an electron. < 1354407212 685579 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is called the "elementary charge" < 1354407220 106739 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not even close to a reasonable unit! < 1354407230 294788 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's reasonable in many contexts. < 1354407259 70844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought we meant 'macroscopic' < 1354407274 570556 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, fine. < 1354407308 629847 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still more reasonable than most of the Planck units... I mean, shit, there's an SI prefix for that one. :P < 1354407346 438135 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mere 1.8 aC. < 1354407417 75261 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :planck impedance: 29.979 ohms? < 1354407446 964069 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1354407451 785715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a planck momentum too, it's not big < 1354407458 122267 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the planck magnetic field is < 1354407497 303317 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Magnetic flux density? < 1354407502 12831 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.15 * 10^53 teslas says a quick google? ohgod < 1354407512 125092 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"215000 yottayottateslas" < 1354407526 637803 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTK's timestamps are in units of 0.1 microseconds. I've always presumed it's because it's accurate enough for each sample of 16 kHz audio to have an integer time in those units (unlike microseconds; one sample is 62.5 us), but nanoseconds would've resulted in too large numbers. < 1354407534 417126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's above the point where maxwell's equations go to hell and the vacuum becomes polarised < 1354407548 377248 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that happens at like, about 10^40 times less? XD < 1354407552 482183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :polarised, n. really cold (it's cold at the north and south pole) < 1354407560 374276 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"megasecond" is my favorite usual unit, i think < 1354407560 761052 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just make up new prefixes. < 1354407568 488828 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not any more *badum-tsh* < 1354407587 63394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone once told me, they read they wanted to add another prefix "heva" < 1354407599 93872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: might also be that they stole their time unit from windows < 1354407601 39510 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there a petition to make "hella" official, or something < 1354407606 900448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott for confusing nouns and adjectives -----### < 1354407621 823014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the proposal for zeppo-, harpo- and groucho- < 1354407627 824729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfffffff < 1354407632 816025 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :link? < 1354407654 737251 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :n., n. separator between dictionary entries and their definitions < 1354407669 82908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want "zeppo" because it is similar to "zepto" < 1354407670 785393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if we have hella, then clearly the opposite prefix should be heava < 1354407671 460083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been in either the feedback or letters sections of the new scientist < 1354407708 896736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they wanted "heva" one above "yotta" although I am unsure. < 1354407711 959016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I suppose it's possible, though I don't think it's a very Windows-oriented piece of software. < 1354407726 851578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsymeter. yw. < 1354407734 263366 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen at least one "serious-looking" SI extension proposal. < 1354407754 176484 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have to add bitsy too < 1354407758 127663 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so then you can have an itsybitsymeter < 1354407758 764169 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :itsy-, bitsy-, teeny- and weeny- < 1354407764 477405 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11984 *grin* < 1354407767 950396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: fuck you i'm a disctionary < 1354407769 300857 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an itsybitsy spider would be very small indeed < 1354407770 560912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :polkadotmeter < 1354407779 304043 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354407782 332098 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I am OK if you want to add other prefixes, whether it is "groucho" or whatever else < 1354407797 200154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that like a book using discworld spelling conventions? < 1354407824 451155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: who publsiehs the definitions around here < 1354407848 897795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also "myria" not used much anymore, although it is a metric prefix for a myriad (ten thousand). < 1354407930 664776 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be handy for CJK folk. < 1354407950 939023 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(CJK all group numbers in myriads.) < 1354408007 86406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know that too. < 1354408022 764576 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's probably where knuth got the idea, isn't it. < 1354408054 696605 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Client Quit < 1354408056 114385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think so. < 1354408092 417311 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Angstro" has been suggested for 10^(-10). Perhaps to get rid of ångström as a separate unit. (It even has the "m" there.) < 1354408139 779582 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it would be OK. < 1354408165 619847 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :angstrometer < 1354408196 748801 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Don't know whether the suggestion kept the diacritics. At least å would be free for abbreviations.) < 1354408213 935485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 åm. < 1354408227 975005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and then "angstrom" becomes short for "angstrometer". But yes you should use the lowercase a with ring above for this prefix (uppercase A with ring above is angstrom) < 1354408274 460466 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a list of these things. < 1354408296 242205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you also have 1 åÅ = 10 zm. < 1354408318 393971 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1354408320 594930 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it does allow you to do that although I do not think it would be a good idea. < 1354408343 520685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One ångströångström does sound a bit silly. < 1354408362 531319 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION approves of the ångströångström < 1354408415 315005 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though maybe that should be "ö¨å" (can't be bothered to find the combining char) < 1354408459 648739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ < 1354408460 740634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> The excuse for not fixing this does not make sense. < 1354408461 281529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What doesn't make sense is you. < 1354408461 642058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :]] < 1354408461 906437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:52: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1354408463 939209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- ulrich drepper < 1354408473 43858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_(m%C3%A5tt) < 1354408474 328416 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean an å with a diaeresis? < 1354408504 849455 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ä you guys are lazy < 1354408509 756030 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Yes. < 1354408511 592152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 1 fat is 480 osmunds ... pretty thin fella this Osmund < 1354408524 613685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ŕ < 1354408525 741537 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354408533 247585 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ĥ < 1354408537 449392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the equation for the Railsback curve? < 1354408556 201549 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Needs both, clearly, as otherwise that'd be a diphthong. < 1354408592 275926 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, since öå doesn't become a diphtong in the first place < 1354408644 460849 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Bah humbug. < 1354408646 293578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: unless you're very drunk < 1354408667 823793 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will diäresisize all vowels that are adjacent! < 1354408701 570037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :föå en öål til föår föan < 1354408785 614892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: or from skåne, probably < 1354408792 276710 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is why it's "oërjan" not "Ørjan". >:D < 1354408810 255617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :øærjan < 1354408847 474459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oërhöert < 1354408865 546602 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this: "å̈" look fine to you guys < 1354408876 359836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl__: excellent plain a, there < 1354408878 600677 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it looks like you have some kind of growth on your head there < 1354408891 136544 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's supposed to be... an a with an ö above it, essentially < 1354408906 820393 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a + ° + ¨ < 1354408929 942648 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ǟ < 1354408956 599673 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl__: That composed poorly. < 1354408959 990821 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame my renderer. < 1354409053 989419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.no/search?hl=no&safe=off&tbo=d&site=&source=hp&q=sk%C3%B6%C3%A5ne&oq=sk%C3%B6%C3%A5ne&gs_l=hp.3...122718.172765.0.173062.7.7.0.0.0.0.219.750.3j2j1.6.0...0.0...1c.1.T-0dj36Ttyc gives a bit of hits < 1354409353 48399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I think he meant rwbarton? < 1354409417 522047 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : Unless someone like ion wants to do it. < 1354409428 420073 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno whom he meant, but i was asking about it in response to that. :-) < 1354409446 648563 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"someone like ion" might refer to you < 1354410133 285391 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354410697 315648 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354411340 966029 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com NICK :TodPunk < 1354412333 375826 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354412408 742622 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you guys sometimes discuss about practical (albeit experimental) programming languages? < 1354412425 893269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Norwegian? < 1354412439 522642 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354412453 876832 :augur!~augur@69.140.133.153 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354412479 559909 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some Finnish too, but opinions differ as to wether that counts as a language at all < 1354412483 275730 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354412483 347455 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354412483 347624 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354412499 926162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_programming_, people < 1354412513 98275 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... shachaf started it < 1354412519 437968 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1354412526 34555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if haskell counts, then we do. < 1354412545 200065 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, Haskell; what about new programming languages? < 1354412546 536360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some have had less esoteric projects, i recall Gregor's plof < 1354412549 62081 :Sgeo__!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net NICK :Sgeo < 1354412552 157201 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n2liquid: Well, it's not esoteric programming, so *yes*. < 1354412564 270567 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or languages that extrapolate concepts like object orientation < 1354412619 854192 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially not stuff that's too focused on mathematical concepts < 1354412628 813780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote oerjan < 1354412629 155270 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan says: i only do impractical things < 1354412646 946451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :COUNT ME OUT < 1354412679 404917 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, is plof on the esolang wiki? < 1354412696 732956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because it's not esoteric < 1354412702 383495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Glass is OO < 1354412711 694817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, _maybe_ it's linked from Gregor's user page. < 1354412727 776350 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n2liquid: Plof is more a research language than anything else. < 1354412728 891566 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, practicaal? < 1354412731 296687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glass is OO, esoteric, and also gregor's :) < 1354412734 837382 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1354412816 378569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://plof.codu.org/wiki/ < 1354412829 243931 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, thanks :D < 1354413097 366216 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354413131 869147 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do discuss experiemental programming and stuff too sometimes < 1354413191 195015 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been munching some concepts for a programming language for some time now < 1354413208 156639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I suppose we also sometimes discuss completely different things too < 1354413208 847425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall edwardk had a language project when he came here, although i think he's gravitated towards "everything fits better into haskell"? also everything edwardk is by definition the opposite of "not stuff that's too focused on mathematical concepts". < 1354413257 681974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the same way, some haskellers seem to go on to agda. < 1354413262 726333 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nothing bat-crazy like what's often explored in academic research projects or esoteric languages < 1354413266 375060 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, agda? < 1354413285 726404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dependently-typed experimental language < 1354413338 396357 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1354413341 759247 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Has there been any work on Plof recently? < 1354413354 749671 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly, I just want to read awesome documentation, even if the language isn't well implemented < 1354413365 340735 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hallo thar, people talking about me >_> < 1354413377 190818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the fythe VM for it was worked on in february, at least, i see < 1354413393 620493 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fythe was last poked at a few months ago. < 1354413405 670770 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that I'm currently contractually obligated not to touch it, so I'm not :) < 1354413416 384979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1354413442 100824 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just for two more weeks now *shrugs* < 1354413467 223433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354413470 998998 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fythe engine works great, and I have some neato ideas for making it work better, I just haven't bothered to finish porting Plof to it yet. < 1354413493 721055 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What with my being distracted by silly irrelevant stuff like pursuing a PhD and making money and watching ponies. < 1354413494 108760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any relation to your ioccc entry? :P < 1354413500 401693 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH YOU < 1354413518 900986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, *winning entry < 1354413603 131065 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1354413633 673729 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lest it's not obvious, my IOCCC entry has no practical application whatsoever. Anything to make it not suck would also make it unportable, defeating the whole purpose. < 1354413693 611601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1354413750 311581 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what entry is this? < 1354413770 351579 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you guys think about LLVM? < 1354413773 114830 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just curious < 1354413798 221001 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.ioccc.org/years.html#2011_richards < 1354413914 1152 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's... impressive < 1354413980 242294 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like LLVM, although I also think some things missing, such as supporting bytes other than 8-bits, and supporting ARM2 < 1354414070 289375 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know I wouldn't be into programming language design without LLVM < 1354414074 755465 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a given < 1354414097 654924 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the point of all this preprocessor stuff to make the source resemble dc code < 1354414289 617349 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: Is there a description of how the JIT is done somewhere? < 1354414444 922791 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: The description was in your heart all along. < 1354414719 915496 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1354414731 700830 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that JIT is really amazing < 1354414748 682909 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it manages to hide the opcodes and stuff too, wow < 1354415133 763896 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear if you listen carefully to the rustling wind on a warm night with a full moon, you can hear the sound of the JIT building ARM functions. < 1354415375 411862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote omg that JIT is really amazing [...] I hear if you listen carefully to the rustling wind on a warm night with a full moon, you can hear the sound of the JIT building ARM functions. < 1354415378 496393 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :859) omg that JIT is really amazing [...] I hear if you listen carefully to the rustling wind on a warm night with a full moon, you can hear the sound of the JIT building ARM functions. < 1354415391 713919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: TWO SPACES!!!!! < 1354415412 966144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Two spaces are the devil. :-( < 1354415418 566644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i checked with `quote, and the first example that came up had only one < 1354415432 763091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: two spaces between the first two messages, I mean < 1354415440 585714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The GHC inliner is annoying me. :-( < 1354415441 339715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you fix it? < 1354415453 438547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354415455 295054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably read that one paper, _Secrets of the GHC Inliner_. < 1354415456 628535 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :683) Here in Scotland we have a rigorous and well-tested theory of brothels. < 1354415459 689154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354415461 27465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354415463 399127 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :341) How to make a tasty deep-fried treat: 1) Buy ingredients: Large vat of boiling oil, dry ice and a small Filipino boy. 2) Place Filipino boy in dry ice until frozen solid. 3) Shatter now-frozen Filipino boy into boiling oil. 4) Wait fifteen minutes, drain and enjoy! I have the weirdest boner right now. < 1354415487 276709 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :43) Reality isn't a part of physics < 1354415493 72241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY THEN < 1354415500 568554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 859 < 1354415504 518861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Don't give in! < 1354415505 152501 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* omg that JIT is really amazing [...] I hear if you listen carefully to the rustling wind on a warm night with a full moon, you can hear the sound of the JIT building ARM functions. < 1354415512 359299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote omg that JIT is really amazing [...] I hear if you listen carefully to the rustling wind on a warm night with a full moon, you can hear the sound of the JIT building ARM functions. < 1354415515 899172 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :859) omg that JIT is really amazing [...] I hear if you listen carefully to the rustling wind on a warm night with a full moon, you can hear the sound of the JIT building ARM functions. < 1354415535 369577 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :½ fixed < 1354415536 456405 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why did you do that < 1354415560 689150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: the rules for [...] are even more complicated. < 1354415570 178709 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use “ ” and see if anyone notices. < 1354415571 238036 :augur!~augur@69.140.133.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354415613 286825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354415644 823191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: elliott is a space nazi < 1354415654 444345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't want to annoy him < 1354415666 47860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the formatting rules shall not be broken < 1354415667 314756 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like in Iron Sky? < 1354415703 104862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote bike:the formatting rules shall not be broken < 1354415706 330379 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) bike:the formatting rules shall not be broken < 1354415709 508550 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just about to do that < 1354415719 932763 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so uncreative. < 1354415725 134167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So am I. :-( < 1354415730 695904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 860 < 1354415734 161864 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* bike:the formatting rules shall not be broken < 1354415736 169635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :broken < 1354415737 96434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is an appropriate THAT'S THE JOKE link? < 1354415749 423041 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simpson's clip? < 1354415789 477797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that is the top google hit < 1354415796 933829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: inliner? i hardly know her! < 1354415797 388034 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to pretend that apostrophe was supposed to be there. "The Simpson" is a nickname of a bigfoot-like internet legend, known for posting photographs of firearms with jokes engraved on them. < 1354415809 173280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk < 1354415835 192110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: good point thx < 1354415854 513927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok < 1354415857 288374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what was that connect command again < 1354415966 592808 :Lumpio_!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi NICK :Lumpio- < 1354416262 772022 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354416315 322048 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354416438 516808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1354416440 109360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go wake fizzie up < 1354416474 414633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: WAKE UP < 1354416543 655379 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's december o.O late happy new month people o/ < 1354416567 156759 :augur!~augur@69.140.133.153 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354416574 713139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go to finland < 1354416636 81190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, is December now, and is Advent tomorrow, I think. < 1354416644 979895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland isn't real, elliott. < 1354416652 571030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you actually know anyone who's ever been there? < 1354416661 338038 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is drunk Japan. No more, no less. < 1354416676 745054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drunk Japan + lakka? < 1354416685 726139 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, when you're drunk... :P < 1354416688 564443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland < 1354416691 807749 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1354416699 43855 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added some commands in my Csound plugin, including "meanfilter", "multiguide", "pairecho", etc < 1354416726 662908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would appear the bus has got lost < 1354416751 280688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "pairecho" command makes two delay lines which are allowed to interfere with each other and the amount of interference and output levels can be adjusted at x-rate. < 1354416759 458781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tried to read pairecho as something latino < 1354416774 971727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? Do you speak Latino? < 1354416785 954236 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ladino's cool. < 1354416797 253822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it looks vaguely spanish. < 1354416811 957965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, elliott Fiora < 1354416813 813728 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, oerjan only speaks onital. < 1354416814 924696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is meant to be English. < 1354416868 394937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: ¡orter edav < 1354417027 735142 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354417117 225246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354417219 3116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354417239 644175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, I got insecure IPv6 working. < 1354417244 210032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :Guest55032 < 1354417244 496033 :Guest55032!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: Get secure IPv6 working. < 1354417256 727557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Guest55032 < 1354417257 39091 :Guest55032!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. < 1354417264 553059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo Guest55034 > Guest55032 < 1354417279 268312 :Guest55032!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1354417945 138586 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Comment on appelle un mec qui pilote un avion ? < 1354418066 526622 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :68060 > 55032 < 1354418088 540839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare 68060 55032 < 1354418090 271208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GT < 1354418139 258995 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> compare Guest55034 Guest55032 < 1354418141 698977 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LT < 1354418143 657210 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :¡!! < 1354418186 628408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! < 1354418221 703884 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that happen? < 1354418228 689746 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let compare = flip compare < 1354418234 122882 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1354418249 81877 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :insidious < 1354418512 555278 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Guest = Guest55034 | Guest55032 deriving (Eq, Ord) < 1354418580 31612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Comparing = Eq | Ord deriving (Eq, Ord) < 1354418625 565336 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self do not ask questions < 1354418679 555379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be more impressed if he made it work in lambdabot < 1354418882 175267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You should set this channel -n < 1354418889 966061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So elliott can spam it without joining. < 1354418928 836698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already did once < 1354418958 591219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Also, you should kick me for spamming. < 1354418959 324634 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is Haskell library for defining moves of chess pieces, what should it be called? < 1354418974 33342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Hlfdmocp < 1354419016 111547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: twice < 1354419030 837550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the module name, not the package name, though. < 1354419157 459224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Games.Board.Chess.Moves.Class < 1354419168 508675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1354419364 883207 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh I got quoted < 1354419381 185451 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've really hit the bigtime now. < 1354419383 81451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember Fiora oh gosh I got quoted < 1354419383 309030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice! < 1354419396 855261 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, lambdabot is for high-quality quotes. < 1354419398 60592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@forget Fiora oh gosh I got quoted < 1354419398 295229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1354419411 682620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote fuck < 1354419411 838404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorear says: [emacs haskell mode] not fucked up, just well documented < 1354419430 214057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote duh < 1354419430 393041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin says: a monad is just a lax functor from a terminal bicategory, duh. fuck that monoid in category of endofunctors shit < 1354419438 869581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Fiora has gone through two phases of initiation < 1354419450 992303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :excessive welcoming and being quoted < 1354419454 849331 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is she going to have to write an eodermdrome interpreter too < 1354419458 532500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :next up is the goat sacrifice < 1354419469 839631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, no one actually managed that yet < 1354419471 13003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes but that usually comes later < 1354419471 566775 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i'm so up for that < 1354419481 574079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how has yours been < 1354419484 150407 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: isn't that the joke < 1354419492 169826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oklofok did < 1354419504 651630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :she has to spend a few weeks agonizing over how to do it before she fails, though < 1354419508 715127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean no *person* < 1354419516 988687 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got bored/frustrated, turns out np-complete problems are annoying, especially when you look at graph rewriting and then look at thue and think "why" < 1354419531 985714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he just chose a different failure mode, known as "losing the source" < 1354419546 180412 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's an eodermdrome interpreter @_@ < 1354419563 44073 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Eodermdrome it's an esoteric language, or "esolang" for short < 1354419577 21538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone whose eyes look like @ isn't sane enough to be told! < 1354419668 534009 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I know what an eslolang is < 1354419680 295824 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no. it's /that/ one < 1354419681 408758 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the graph < 1354419687 257094 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one i was failing at, yes < 1354419702 902602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "what is an eslolang" < 1354419704 525926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1354419713 998228 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did write a mascarphone interpreter when arc_koen was talking about it the other day, though. completely untested, as the gods demanded < 1354419736 841840 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I'm like randomly being pulled away and things because I'm at my parents' house this weekend < 1354419747 880034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mascarphone interpreter have good call rates? < 1354419758 507802 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1354419778 266118 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1354419793 172002 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean? if it's some subquestion of "is it efficient" the answer is still no < 1354419817 615125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes strong winds above Bike's head < 1354419846 985067 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have congenital joke-blindness, you bigot! < 1354419889 778153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i'm afraid you'll probably not survive in this channel, then. < 1354419896 64681 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. subgraph isomorphism is the hard one < 1354419899 158846 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1354419901 513016 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and graph isomorphism is the almost-hard one < 1354419918 240029 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually got the subgraph isomorphism bit, but the replacement semantics are not what i assumed < 1354420020 943504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's the "some vertices need to have no extra edges" bit < 1354420067 27679 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, basically i didn't pay enough attention to the description and wrote it wrong, so, frustration when i found out < 1354421046 519933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: So do you do the thing where you capitalize your sentences, but not the word "I"? < 1354421058 820915 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354421079 892977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1354421091 173704 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a sentence starts with I, do you capitalize the following word instead? < 1354421098 374381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering whether you do that on purpose or what it is that you do. < 1354421114 958080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I meant treating "I" as any other word, and capitalizing it like any other word. < 1354421119 906686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than giving it special treatment. < 1354421131 612412 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I’d like to learn the reasoning for the special treatment of “I”. You don’t capitalize “You”. < 1354421152 96840 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something to do with the venerable medieval lack of punctuation or spaces < 1354421152 722997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U don't? < 1354421155 682504 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or “a” < 1354421173 620335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: So it is a thing you do on purpose? < 1354421192 867888 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes I am guessing something like that < 1354421237 646863 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354421262 152634 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, i capitalize “I” in anything more formal, but i find the exception strange. < 1354421283 225520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i AGREE < 1354421290 335062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ONCE CONSIDERED DOING IT THAT WAY < 1354421302 726763 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree, but I just got over it < 1354421327 187301 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are enough oddities in my own language to be questioning english < 1354421333 85419 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write All Sentences in Some Kind of Title Case < 1354421344 457713 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kanaya? < 1354421348 24796 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read an article that suggested that the only reason “I” is capitalized is because printers thought “i” looked ugly. < 1354421358 162348 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, we should just capitalize all Nouns, as is the historical Practice. < 1354421364 367407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1354421364 528366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays printers have no free will. < 1354421372 758725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 1-2 ms ping to the london freenode server from my server < 1354421374 273441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how wild is that < 1354421384 297238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's what they _want_ you to think < 1354421385 414182 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not particularly wild? < 1354421391 592490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the wildest < 1354421392 506787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fuck you < 1354421393 298867 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same guys who thought you should move a subset of punctuation following a right quotation mark inside the quotation? Screw those guys. < 1354421401 255365 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free Will is for Plebians, Peasants, and Fools. We educated Souls know that there is no such Thing as free Will. < 1354421403 170891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm in San Francisco! < 1354421405 31918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How wild is that? < 1354421410 812389 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is only the Dictates of Physics. < 1354421417 517096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am too. < 1354421421 702090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at this shit < 1354421422 575394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from sturgeon.freenode.net (83.170.94.214): icmp_req=1 ttl=56 time=1.06 ms < 1354421426 23102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from sturgeon.freenode.net (83.170.94.214): icmp_req=3 ttl=56 time=1.16 ms < 1354421429 40682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from sturgeon.freenode.net (83.170.94.214): icmp_req=4 ttl=56 time=1.15 ms < 1354421431 449448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I looked for a taquería and didn't find one. < 1354421432 20739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from sturgeon.freenode.net (83.170.94.214): icmp_req=5 ttl=56 time=1.15 ms < 1354421434 946952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 bytes from sturgeon.freenode.net (83.170.94.214): icmp_req=6 ttl=56 time=1.13 ms < 1354421438 51921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell me that's not wild < 1354421447 968211 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Where the heck are you in SFO that you can't find a taqueria??? < 1354421449 592849 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You seem to have some packet loss. < 1354421450 567954 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're EVERYWHERE. < 1354421450 900748 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ... How many lightmilliseconds are you from London? < 1354421459 977433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I didn't look very far, admittedly. < 1354421462 641623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: me, a while < 1354421464 32148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my server, 0 < 1354421466 434887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is in london < 1354421471 112790 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. Okay. < 1354421479 780725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: you're a packet loss < 1354421490 583266 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though "a while" is not a quantity of lightmilliseconds, vague or otherwise. ;) < 1354421501 814923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a while < 1354421513 898888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 1 while -> lightmillisecond < 1354421514 991022 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354421521 106437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you in san francisco san francisco or are you in epa < 1354421524 803759 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Syntax error: , line 1, near column 2 \ 1 while -> lightmillisecond \ ^ \ 1 error(s) occurred during parsing. < 1354421529 85545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :epa gangnam style < 1354421537 485264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: At the moment San Francisco San Francisco. < 1354421538 501201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: shocking < 1354421559 36775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1354421561 161248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: San Francisco is the best San Francisco, don't you think? < 1354421561 579285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where abouts < 1354421579 383993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: anyway you should help me get ipv6 working < 1354421580 662889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_(disambiguation) < 1354421583 926346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can connect to freenode via ipv6 < 1354421584 692481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can connect to freenode via ssl < 1354421586 977572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not both at the same time < 1354421627 876410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :DUN DUN DUN < 1354421661 325588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you doing a PhD thing in San Francisco? < 1354421679 958801 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm doing an internship thing in San Francisco. < 1354421699 969620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1354421703 120284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1354421708 158169 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oracle < 1354421730 475120 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it true that a soulectomy is a job requirement? < 1354421743 589704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1354421748 373977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of my coworkers used to work at oracle :( < 1354421754 800790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they must be zombies now < 1354421768 219568 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1354421782 279701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are they using Python? < 1354421786 35507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a sure sign of being a zombie. < 1354421791 193547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand < 1354421792 11420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, yes < 1354421806 287116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have lots of coworkers now? < 1354421811 511408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only six < 1354421821 544603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Six up from four? < 1354421831 305342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of whom five used to work at oracle < 1354421838 191659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i suppose < 1354421841 308090 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :six down from however many it was before the zombies started munching brains < 1354421853 323033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are four founders; i am employee #1 and employee #2 started two days after me < 1354421893 543503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public Employee #1 < 1354421908 728919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's right < 1354422085 507669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: My sister wants to move to Cambridge. < 1354422090 825176 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately it's the wrong one. < 1354422119 30883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I persuade her that Mid-Cambridge, MA is the best city? < 1354422337 361906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354422339 294556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1354422341 710325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the best city < 1354422344 46081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pretty good < 1354422367 126087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is your sister moving to the other cambridge? < 1354422381 89844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think she wants to go to university there. < 1354422391 870970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1354422712 442870 :n2liquid_!~n2liquid@177.18.75.243 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354422712 516248 :n2liquid!~n2liquid@177.18.110.104 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354423174 852254 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354423327 866914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnith < 1354424418 886639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I read something by someone who capitalized every word < 1354424452 564013 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the !!!batch specification? I guess that's not every word < 1354424454 441863 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a book title? < 1354424472 157640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean many sentences. < 1354424478 142533 :n2liquid_!~n2liquid@177.18.75.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PROBABLY MY BLOG < 1354424495 614875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only that but the lines were also numbered even though the line numbers are not related to text items. < 1354424694 29908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you learned lenses yet < 1354424700 589660 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354424702 309160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: there's a new thing on the block to learn < 1354424706 286828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: co-lenses < 1354424712 275264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-lenses < 1354424716 421093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do co-lenses do? < 1354424726 14430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The dual of what lenses do. < 1354424838 445825 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still doesn't help. Can you be more specific what its type and so on is? Does it make a category like lenses do? < 1354424938 126273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lenses aren't really a category, are they? < 1354424951 675320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lens s t a b = (s -> a, (s,b) -> t) < 1354424979 357756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Colens s t a b = (b -> t, s -> Either t a) < 1354424996 132585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, a category. < 1354425001 254037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not a Category. :-( < 1354425013 737844 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ( < 1354425107 875449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you need a nose < 1354425109 474783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: < 1354425109 548313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have the one with only two parameters instead of four, then there is the lens category (including the Category instance). < 1354425114 340310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⿐ < 1354425121 459755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. < 1354425145 484506 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: where is colens < 1354425156 142379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1354425163 715984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's projection < 1354425165 229674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's called Projection in lens. < 1354425169 278596 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :⿐) < 1354425178 667002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: much better < 1354425191 444305 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1354425202 463055 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :目鼻口 < 1354425209 532662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::⿐) < 1354425216 426692 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wins < 1354425288 628962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354425296 430006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott You know what you should do? < 1354425296 663512 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354425342 676980 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :へのへのもへじ? < 1354425599 395659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354425619 823221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have SSL + IPv6 working. < 1354425620 223670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1354425632 372332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's broken SSL certificate verification. :( < 1354425653 871483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be a result of this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/irssi/+bug/573256 < 1354425665 717584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you wrote a lazy syntax highlighter for Haskell. < 1354425672 976844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I could work around it just by adding all the freenode servers I want to connect to to the irssi network rather than the round-robin? < 1354425684 362598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what should I do < 1354425704 511516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1354425711 408213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sent me a lambdabot message < 1354425716 965929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:21 elliott: If you wrote a lazy syntax highlighter for Haskell. < 1354425729 401505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I might've changed my tense-thing in the middle there. < 1354425746 985263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't want to do that < 1354425768 191749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/144biy/pretty_output_in_ghci_howto_in_comments/ :'( < 1354425838 677452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Edit 2: You will need to either :seti -XNoMonomorphismRestriction or give myPrint an explicit type annotation. I happened to have the former already. < 1354425857 796653 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't rewriting myPrint to not be pointfree work? < 1354425861 246015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't care about that. < 1354425867 828154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Someone bountied my stackoverflow answer! < 1354425872 283189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get my points? < 1354425892 557550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or maybe they bountied one of the other answers. < 1354425926 456968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or actually, nothing's wrong with a type annotation, right? < 1354425929 935038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the points come automatically < 1354425950 879917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the asker person didn't pick best answer! < 1354425953 681164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is complicated. < 1354425965 376789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it's assigned automatically < 1354425982 711026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should upvote http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9050725/call-cc-implementation/9050907#9050907 so my top-voted answer isn't to the question "How do you identify monadic design patterns?" < 1354426014 638439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, you could get people to downvote that one instead. < 1354426017 924496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i don't even like how the latter answer words it at the start < 1354426019 988745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That answer is long. < 1354426022 1894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah but then i would lose internet points < 1354426054 776317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but how did you get a billion internet points without every getting more than 50 votes on an answer < 1354426065 178002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by writing 343 answers < 1354426085 87016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1354426103 905160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing one great answer that immediately gets a huge number of votes doesn't even help that much anyway due to the 200 rep cap < 1354426112 731888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(per day) < 1354426144 284021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there a cap? < 1354426145 680727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you there i need help with this certificate thing!! < 1354426150 615841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: long story < 1354426173 172820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feel free to peruse the long and tedious history of posts at http://meta.stackoverflow.com/ if you want an answer < 1354426197 20343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothx < 1354426816 279434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: are you the ion in http://bash.org/?152037 by the way < 1354426820 802515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :important questions < 1354426840 580551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope. < 1354426843 345811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've asked before. < 1354426857 662533 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nicknames should be unique! < 1354427189 13203 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go read the Facebook TOS < 1354427335 849298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For content that is covered by intellectual property rights, like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the following permission, subject to your privacy and application settings: you grant us a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free, worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in connection with Facebook (IP License). " < 1354427345 947901 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do they need a transferable and sub-licensable license? < 1354427409 254809 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they can grant reproduction rights to advertisers and other licensees and stuff < 1354427469 736863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, I understand the rest of it, from a technical perspective < 1354427486 123947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just in terms of showing photos to peoples friends when their privacy settings are set such, for example < 1354427517 40864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You will not post unauthorized commercial communications (such as spam) on Facebook." < 1354427528 799169 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main thing to get about facebook is you're the product, not the customer. the customers are ad companies and zynga and companies like that. the TOS is oriented to help the cusotmers. < 1354427556 530376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does one get authorization? Many companies have Facebook pages, which I can only assume are used for commercial communications < 1354427608 800712 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You will not use Facebook to do anything unlawful, misleading, malicious, or discriminatory. < 1354427608 911616 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1354427616 191701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. I'm not allowed to lie on Facebook? < 1354427655 116161 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOSs aren't exactly meant to be followed to the letter, it's just for legal cases and shit < 1354427673 283238 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yup. So, if you're gay you better be out. < 1354427726 883536 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if "don't mislead" would cover being gay and not telling anyone. Since you're only "misleading" them in that they assume you're straight because that's the cultural norm. < 1354427749 889885 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curses be unto heteronormativity. < 1354427773 721698 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION makes traditional hand gesture of agreement < 1354427825 627950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about April Fools jokes? < 1354427833 720720 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as "just got arrested for drunk driving" < 1354427834 339753 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not actually misleading. < 1354427880 414351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had an April Fools Day where I was just posting statuses saying how I was going to a party, got drunk, had unprotected sex with some girl, and got arrested for drunk driving. < 1354427884 782282 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone believed it < 1354427897 441594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART :#esoteric < 1354427960 828507 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You will not transfer your account (including any Page or application you administer) to anyone without first getting our written permission. < 1354427960 901363 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1354427980 386568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... seems annoying for companies. Unless the company is considered the administer the page, and not individual employees? < 1354428061 830314 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You will not tag users or send email invitations to non-users without their consent. Facebook offers social reporting tools to enable users to provide feedback about tagging. < 1354428062 12772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1354428118 146080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how does that even work? The tagging mechanisms don't require consent, do they? And sending email invitations to non-users... um, it's an invitation, how do you get consent to send an invitation? < 1354428126 894233 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think that that section is geared more towards developers < 1354428209 883577 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a section for developers: "You will not directly or indirectly transfer any data you receive from us to (or use such data in connection with) any ad network, ad exchange, data broker, or other advertising related toolset, even if a user consents to that transfer or use." < 1354428230 974466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty blatant in terms of what Bike was saying before < 1354428234 302767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354428250 611264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi!! < 1354428265 310457 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott. helliott. < 1354428730 939217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CALIFORNIA CIVIL CODE 1542 is useless, isn't it? < 1354428818 891847 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1354428834 678683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear monqy knows about california < 1354428838 174540 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354428839 632961 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont < 1354428873 341303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From what the Facebook TOS quoted, it's a thing about releases (of liability I guess) not applying in all circumstances. So, all an organization needs to do to get a fully general release is say that the other party waives it < 1354428896 303432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you still talking about facebook's terms of service jesus < 1354428943 43923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped. And didn't say everything I wanted to say, after you joined, because I figured that that's why you left < 1354428951 449573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't let me stop you < 1354428962 122553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if #esoteric said only things i wanted it would be a very different place < 1354429381 897286 :n2liquid_!~n2liquid@177.18.75.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I see this channel is full of respectful people, eh < 1354429388 858422 :n2liquid_!~n2liquid@177.18.75.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's rare, really < 1354429581 148036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I missed the train south and now the next one won't be for another ~1.5 hours. < 1354429685 450047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :n2liquid_: we must be in different #esoterics < 1354429703 426965 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my esoteric is better than your esoteric. < 1354429724 31682 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354429786 328722 :n2liquid_!~n2liquid@177.18.75.243 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I've only been here for this night, but it does seem peaceful < 1354430160 311888 :sebbu3!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354430177 212585 :sebbu3!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354430177 285468 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354430208 301375 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354430229 462310 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354430883 279181 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354430883 392137 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354430883 392285 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354430908 73382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie does the client certificate thing work as good as sasl now that you're using it? with the cloak-guaranteed-to-take-effect-before-joining-channels stuff < 1354430908 244076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354431058 347669 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354431105 418600 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :BabsSeed < 1354431140 236238 :BabsSeed!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1354431679 360780 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354431733 123059 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :TheSmooze < 1354435071 334853 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1354435916 105746 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354436167 465142 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354436411 756681 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354436430 28381 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354436632 335415 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@67.169.45.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354437922 316753 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354438251 907000 :n2liquid_!~n2liquid@177.18.75.243 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354438343 403643 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@67.169.45.161 QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354439339 224182 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354439705 719096 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354439761 903650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354440153 280307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott I haven't actually tried reconnecting after setting it up. It worked for the first time, I think, but then again I still had the server pass thing set up, and that works too most of the time. < 1354440153 633541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354441025 392380 :punisher00!~oumarnian@41.188.101.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354441286 289812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354443107 539353 :ifnspifn_!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn_ < 1354443191 739230 :punisher00!~oumarnian@41.188.101.153 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354443239 695564 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354443339 234739 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Client Quit < 1354443707 785050 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354443714 922709 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Client Quit < 1354445624 113728 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354445672 389057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354447710 731149 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1354449384 395998 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354450273 196909 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354451096 520812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In fact, the odds of dying from a scorpion sting are one in 300 million. To put this in perspective: Your odds of dying by simply falling over in the shower are one in 65,000. In other words, if you find a scorpion in your shower tomorrow morning, the shower stall itself may still be the greater danger. < 1354451096 631765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read more: http://www.cracked.com/article_19171_5-things-that-arent-nearly-as-dangerous-as-hollywood-thinks.html#ixzz2Dtf6HJYx" < 1354451105 492322 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...screw you thingy < 1354451123 181786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to facepalm at the misunderstanding of probability, or should I just accept it as a joke < 1354451137 554181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1354451160 93345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that 1 in 300 million the population-wide probability of dying from a scorpion sting < 1354451169 453249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case: :facepalm: < 1354451184 733291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It links to http://www.bookofodds.com/Accidents-Death/Death-Rates/Odds/The-odds-a-person-will-die-from-being-stung-by-a-scorpion-in-a-year-are-1-in-299-400-000-US-2006 < 1354451256 954911 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::facepalm: < 1354451301 683658 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could still be true, I guess, but there's not enough information. < 1354458115 983548 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The reason why the odds of dying from a scorpion sting are so low is that scorpions don't live in most places that people do < 1354458134 843374 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is actually a scorpion there, your odds definitely go up < 1354458514 990187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes well done FreeFull < 1354458572 763761 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your ability to state what everyone else had already implicitly figured out is truly a boon to the channel < 1354458693 729818 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I am Captain Obvious, if that's not obvious < 1354458823 558451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop being captain obvious then < 1354459285 158117 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354459882 38234 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354460074 657736 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354461358 477146 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1354461653 733728 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354461688 66258 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1354465288 24373 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354465373 658882 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354466011 263461 :yours_truly!~yours@c-208-90-102-250.netflash.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354466523 861178 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : please stop being captain obvious then <-- who should be captain obvious then? < 1354466543 336087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't a boat! < 1354466548 518671 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't need any captains < 1354466565 970227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the discussion can go astray. < 1354466566 126676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354466582 812925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I always thought of Captain Obvious like a superhero, like Captain America or whatever < 1354466593 737462 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm curious as to what was originally intended in that phrase < 1354466607 81393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutiny < 1354466608 6110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Captain Planet. < 1354466614 353150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah like that < 1354466627 572218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lt. Cmdr. Obvious < 1354466645 345947 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By your inanities combined, I am Captain Obvious!" < 1354466669 853088 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a boat? I though I was aboard to cookieland < 1354466677 908754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354466693 680516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a spaceship to the planet of anticookies < 1354466707 121921 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :8O < 1354466712 461645 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we obviously need a Captain Obvious < 1354466721 12152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck captain planet < 1354466734 692446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: imo you should do some testing & also help me out w/ my new ssl problem < 1354466734 848973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354466738 398536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i solved ssl+ipv6) < 1354466739 687783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1354466739 834353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 7h 23m 7s ago: I haven't actually tried reconnecting after setting it up. It worked for the first time, I think, but then again I still had the server pass thing set up, and that works < 1354466739 912187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too most of the time. < 1354466754 473266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :his agenda of taking pollution "down to zero" puts one in mind of the fanatical de-industrialization agenda of the khmer rouge < 1354466799 12290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric, number one channel for sociopolitical analysis of captain planet < 1354466816 410334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you make it to a train < 1354466818 878454 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :captain planet throws gi in a labour camp because she looks too intellectual < 1354466826 675309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you just have to run along the tracks at high speed yelling "CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKER" < 1354466844 434666 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(thank you wikipedia for that one) < 1354466882 999647 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, heh what? < 1354466917 54817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who is gi? < 1354466924 225974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have never seen captain planet or indeed heard of it beyond 80s pop culture references < 1354466931 167157 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same here < 1354466955 433869 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have watched it, it was broadcast in Finland. < 1354466966 262459 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes fizzie but you are old! < 1354466968 79196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in college we had a house office named "captain planet" < 1354466979 568559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were charged with taking care of all the living things in the house < 1354466981 895485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :primarily the hot tub < 1354467003 354751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that living < 1354467007 162828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It was also made in 1990-1996, so it's curious it appears in 80s pop culture. < 1354467028 377272 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything before ~1998 is '80s' to me < 1354467028 876200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a complex ecosystem < 1354467040 972038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, is it like the it crowd rainforest < 1354467046 514442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen < 1354467099 447042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Helsinki University has a greenhouse warmed by computer exhaust heat on top of the Exactum building. < 1354467111 906690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ct1-zq8gf_0 < 1354467119 312676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice < 1354467122 618135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmmfmYID1Yw -- you can see it there. < 1354467146 481000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can see the rack, but the vaguely transparent plastic thing behind it is a greenhouse. < 1354467200 729259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I saw the link somewhere a while ago.) < 1354467244 930191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh he has a shirt with the pac man kill screen < 1354467307 194930 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the it crowd is good with having actual nerdy references in the background < 1354467385 699614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some eff posters around the place too, and a picture of bob dobbs < 1354467432 46502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1354467442 761141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'This show's like "The Big Bang Theory" except it doesn't suck a Big Franch Dick.' < 1354467447 609036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well put, random youtube idiot < 1354467486 865033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(franch, as everyone knows, is a condiment composed of a mixture of french and ranch dressing) < 1354467497 705155 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even assuming that's a baffling typo for french, since when were french dicks known for their size? < 1354467531 579998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if they were, the adjective wouldn't be necessary < 1354467544 979664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :insert coq joke here < 1354467591 738980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Twenty years ago, I wrote a comedy in which a scientist accidentally kills God and feels really terrible about it. Meanwhile, his former lab assistant goes on to fame and fortune by inventing something called "Franch" -- a salad dressing that's half-French, half-ranch.' < 1354467614 133665 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmmfmYID1Yw -- you can see it there. <--- lol what? < 1354467618 898424 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :servers out in the open? < 1354467621 438298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whaaaat < 1354467626 283745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not out in the open. < 1354467631 28549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like it? < 1354467632 420406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they do have that cubicle thing < 1354467635 904849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's a transparent plastic in front of the rack. < 1354467659 73585 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: But yes, it's a "Experimental Free Air Cooling setup". < 1354467692 937790 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, looks like he is removing snow directly from the servers but oh well < 1354467734 591881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what are they talking about btw? < 1354467751 386244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a translation in the comments, though it's a bit off. < 1354467755 577567 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Person 1: this is a really stupid idea" "Person 2: No no, it will just work" < 1354467764 895636 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Person 1: you idiot" < 1354467783 695269 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354467799 109139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something like "Here is Mikko doing server administration." "Works well!" "And that's how we do a little clean" < 1354467819 575656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of http://www.afrotechmods.com/ < 1354467857 37890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular http://www.afrotechmods.com/papercooling.htm < 1354467875 15873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-6F8oAMFyZtk/T2iGlBvcFaI/AAAAAAAACVs/GJwiMc8Oo94/s1152/IMG_20120320_145825.jpg shows the other side of the rack. < 1354467895 932337 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it might become too cold for the servers as well hm < 1354467921 90347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The blog mentions they haven't had any problems at -30 degrees Celsius or so. < 1354467923 15440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1354467926 379636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this page is as old as kmc < 1354467928 527693 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1354467944 620658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1354467985 982022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Most of their computer centers are more traditional, I think this is more of a hobby experiment. < 1354467999 308355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://afrotechmods.com/stupid/memory/memory.htm < 1354468093 33262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://totl.net/Eunuch/ < 1354468128 508879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i forget, is that one of the things everyone's seen but some twat always posts it) < 1354468169 770315 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :why doesn't the heat of the servers melt the snow and create horrible water problems? < 1354468236 232672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's exactly what one of the comments asked, I think. < 1354468249 778694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any sort of answer. < 1354468270 58126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that water flows down, I suppose you can sort of guide it elsewhere. < 1354468291 761978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be cold enough that nothing in the server is above freezing < 1354468296 261206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The linked blog has a lot of content about the design of the box around it. < 1354468339 802748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The snow is going to melt before summer, anyway, so I'm sure they've considered water. < 1354468350 251047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it sometimes rains. < 1354468762 504326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if a moose tries to eat the servers < 1354468807 305461 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the servers are on the roof of the university building, so no mooses there (hopefully) < 1354468859 250588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1354469210 337305 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354469260 204061 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1354469461 500121 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354470523 379927 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354471386 519807 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354471405 999840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354471969 743056 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354472270 870344 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-30.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354472345 404533 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-30.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1354473774 53469 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354473774 163491 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354473774 163633 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354473983 289815 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354474072 615043 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354474226 442032 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354474308 899415 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1354474364 211452 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354475006 292704 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott < 1354475031 127009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you by any chance done that thing you've claimed you'll do for like a week < 1354475197 101575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tonight < 1354475197 850645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :promise < 1354475199 592619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug me < 1354475226 370610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already tonight! < 1354475313 839435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's evening! < 1354475328 344132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm you may have a point there < 1354475339 996809 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354475687 803360 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I’m not. < 1354475702 132924 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It’s a fake ion. < 1354475851 861309 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354475865 130158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: did you see that fancy new edwardk exported unsafeCoerce < 1354475930 687104 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the paste, didn’t look at “vacuous” yet. < 1354475945 397031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: the implementation is vacuous = unsafeCoerce < 1354475949 948238 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354475956 646399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if you have a legit functor f, you can implement f Void -> f a that way < 1354475970 503551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, people can lie! < 1354475975 232749 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1354475981 297091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so (Functor f) => f Void -> f a actually means forall f. f Void -> f a < 1354475988 251491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means Iso Void Void -> Iso Void a < 1354475995 425577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means (a -> Void, Void -> a) < 1354476004 915218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, with a forall on each, of course < 1354476007 35983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means compose them and you get a -> b < 1354476009 98771 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1354476836 360441 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354476976 929187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could write it with empty case blocks if it were allowed, such as (fmap $ \x -> case x of {}) < 1354477023 349194 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could use undefined instead. < 1354477139 955998 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354477344 55082 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-30.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354477483 337652 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354477947 964893 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354478459 935911 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Rebooting into new kernel < 1354478982 447034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354479044 54978 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354479045 580696 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354479046 310157 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354479130 258944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354479183 590981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help languages < 1354479184 373567 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. < 1354479193 602663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I found an exported unsafeCoerce bug in an edwardk package! < 1354479217 589375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!help im trapped in a #esoteric factory < 1354479218 135360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1354479218 440246 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Sorry, I have no help for im_trapped_in_a__esoteric_factory! < 1354479222 130015 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354479223 620759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You know the void package? < 1354479234 967866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not really < 1354479235 363116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And its unsafeCoerce trick for implementing vacuous :: (Functor f) => f Void -> f a? < 1354479244 554343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because that works for all functors. < 1354479247 121634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL, http://hpaste.org/78675 < 1354479250 612690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: pfft found that bug like a year ago < 1354479256 768586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly though good work < 1354479263 541151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha did you really < 1354479270 126796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge ('&%:9]!~}|z2Vxwv-,POqponl$Hjig%eB@@>}= < 1354479272 228488 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1354479277 561310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1354479283 64667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is funny because this is the second time one of edwardk's "safe" unsafeCoerces has turned out to result in an external unsafeCoerce < 1354479286 118242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a week < 1354479300 136065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly the first one was only in the git version of lens and never released < 1354479301 155784 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354479307 698610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/52660 < 1354479327 728511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :different bug i guess < 1354479338 223332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is testing the Malbolge hello world to see what it actually prints, because of a strange edit war on wikipedia. < 1354479391 548715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But wouldn't that be ORIGINAL RESEARCH? < 1354479395 641114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you tell edwardk :P < 1354479463 379603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OH WHOOPS < 1354479510 391238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge a < 1354479511 66771 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid character in source file < 1354479514 137294 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge ( < 1354479514 997244 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354479518 691185 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge ()()((() < 1354479519 445191 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid character in source file < 1354479529 104061 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge (|||(|(|(|(((|((|(| < 1354479529 852800 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :invalid character in source file < 1354479530 858602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: YOur bug is the same one, I think, or pretty close. < 1354479532 323406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You must write a published book about Malbolge Hello Worlds, and then wait until someone else writes a book that refers to your book, and then you can rely on that. < 1354479540 878330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i did < 1354479568 677355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he not fix it < 1354479571 122059 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1354479571 693002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok so it's an unsafeCoerce that is only safe if the Functor instance actually satisfies the laws, presumably? < 1354479573 144772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said he'd fix it when i showed him this one! < 1354479575 361605 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait wait wait < 1354479578 443663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right < 1354479580 945786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does EgoBot do assembly < 1354479587 433647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: any data type that is an actual functor will admit that unsafeCoerce implementation, I think < 1354479588 918191 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is asm some other esoteric language < 1354479595 661914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least, I can't think of a counterexample < 1354479600 223560 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!asm mov eax, 1 < 1354479600 612783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is one with fancy GADT type family stuff < 1354479601 863645 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1354479616 111081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: There's "asm" in both the esoteric and other lists. < 1354479658 825007 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main() { printf("%d\n", 1); return 0;} < 1354479661 386701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason I thought of this unsafeCoerce bug while trying to get to sleep < 1354479662 878374 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1354479668 51753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after not having looked at or used the void package in ages < 1354479674 628797 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder < 1354479706 5969 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c int main() { int arr[1]; int i; for(i=0;;i++) { arr[i] = i; } return 0; } < 1354479708 773578 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 17341 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1354479721 513963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: The !asm runs /interps/gcccomp/gcccomp assembler which will try to gcc yourcode.s. < 1354479735 669702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: So you need to write it in x86-64 AT&T assenbler. < 1354479736 583763 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, AT&T syntax < 1354479737 556985 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil < 1354479749 667405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!asm mov 1, @eax < 1354479751 229380 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1354479755 736684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what it looks like. < 1354479760 479516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!asm mov $1, %eax < 1354479761 858984 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!asm mov 1, %eax < 1354479762 664186 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354479763 892700 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: line 52: 17509 Segmentation fault /tmp/compiled.$$ < 1354479768 36144 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!asm mov $1, %eax < 1354479769 943569 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354479777 808680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov 1, %eax would be intel mov eax, [1]. < 1354479784 161619 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, without $ it's a memory address < 1354479792 621916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also .globl main; main: pushq %rbp; movq %rsp, %rbp; prependend automatically, and movl $0, %eax; leave; ret; suffixed. < 1354479849 865334 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can !asm do anything reasonably nifty < 1354479858 827657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wanna hear a joke? < 1354479860 631530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: AT&T syntax < 1354479877 359295 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :!asm .extern puts; .data; hello: .asciz "hello there"; .text; mov $hello, %rdi; call puts < 1354479879 369061 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello there < 1354479882 464422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nifty, eh? < 1354480022 73470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: btw the error you got on the Malbolge is because every position in the program allows a varying set of 8 bytes, namely the ones which decrypt to actual commands at that spot. < 1354480038 380253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no other byte is allowed at that spot < 1354480041 124595 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know < 1354480085 643411 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-30.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1354480205 605097 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-30.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354480288 59721 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-30.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1354480529 925075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354480555 536033 :ashet4!~root@adsl-ull-114-195.50-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1354480707 149642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait when did that become the topic < 1354480760 696395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only just noticed? < 1354480767 794543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes? < 1354480781 32650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would i look at the topic, it's not like it ever contains any useful information < 1354480845 464052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : your ability to state what everyone else had already implicitly figured out is truly a boon to the channel <-- hey don't be too hard on him, i was tempted myself. even while logreading. < 1354480886 669207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't make a habit of it < 1354480897 569394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Babies are usually not eaten owing to their repugnant looks, as well as their viscosity and unpleasant habits. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354480904 412696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :improvement, yes? < 1354480914 396737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354480922 737127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott -----### < 1354480934 250032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloody minimalists < 1354480944 413479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric : < 1354480962 163017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 TOPIC #esoteric :^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H < 1354480980 598948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if that actually breaks any clients < 1354480986 324537 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not < 1354481004 496960 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client doesn't support topics shorter than 28 characters < 1354481015 86516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because i just typed in a caret followed by an h < 1354481024 280131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that might explain it. < 1354481034 747399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :caret h < 1354481039 596360 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 TOPIC #esoteric : < 1354481040 67220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric : < 1354481050 171490 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net TOPIC #esoteric :carrot ache < 1354481053 187122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANYONE BROKEN YET? < 1354481057 528192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how do you insert the actual Ctrl+H with irssi < 1354481063 946746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^V^H < 1354481075 846294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: doesn't work for me :( < 1354481077 982510 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 TOPIC #esoteric :/topic: the new way to chat < 1354481079 177267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is mosh's fault < 1354481093 343437 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1354481096 512541 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1354481101 927076 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^V^H doesn't work in irssi < 1354481112 261736 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net TOPIC #esoteric :/topic: the new way to chat | How arre you? | *-r < 1354481114 726973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i may have set a binding myself < 1354481115 41134 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on x-chat ctrl+shift+u-8 works but that's probably not the case in irssi < 1354481130 842046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^V escape_char < 1354481136 830603 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to /bind -delete ^H < 1354481143 17218 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can just do ctrl-h < 1354481166 438384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ^ the above binding is what i have, and allows me to do that with any control char < 1354481202 38348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ah < 1354481205 694907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that's not what i want to do < 1354481213 183153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i probably set it to resemble vim in that respect < 1354481320 707665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/forget,_when_up_to_one%27s_neck_in_alligators,_that_the_mission_is_to_drain_the_swamp < 1354481365 809778 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say that's just having your priorities straight < 1354481377 936970 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an actual term anyone has ever used < 1354481404 23303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: let's not forget, when up to one's neck in alligators, that the mission is to drain the swamp. it doesn't matter whether anyone has *used* the term. < 1354481433 114023 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬_¬ < 1354481437 457804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i've also bound home to scroll_start and end to scroll_end < 1354481446 670994 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is a lot of things making me feel guilty < 1354481464 809325 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as if those nuns didn't deserve to be guillotined... < 1354481543 154386 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks for that idiom < 1354481545 886013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i kept wanting to do that, while they by default just duplicated ^A and ^E. iirc. < 1354481552 154617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl__: please dont use that idiom < 1354481560 935104 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry < 1354481563 795315 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too good < 1354481700 589120 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They are beginning_of_line and end_of_line by default, yes. < 1354481726 890733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does ecape_char even have a default binding < 1354481741 813327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not. At least it wasn't bound to anything for me. < 1354481749 979662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it is bound to ^V IT'S SPREADING < 1354481797 218379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1354481810 886492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can bind something to type "/win " for me < 1354481815 549418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be cool < 1354481841 538267 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lose big < 1354481873 255085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1354482183 384137 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@77.11.116.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354482237 959360 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f7ce.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1354482244 906609 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@77.11.116.85 NICK :hagb4rd < 1354482635 404718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes. < 1354482825 251270 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354482929 623326 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But how am I meant to get to the start or end of what I typed then < 1354483003 68539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ^A and ^E, i said < 1354483045 158803 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my initial setup, those had the same bindings as home and end. so i changed one pair to something else useful. < 1354483063 639747 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mess things up < 1354483073 388291 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mindfuck factor < 1354483091 237932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:16:34 -!- TuxBlackEdo [~TuxBlackE@unaffiliated/tuxblackedo] has joined ##crypto < 1354483094 297270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:17:16 hey i just met you, and this is crazy, but here is a cyphertext, crack it for me maybe? < 1354483100 695668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :regretting joining this channel so i could let lambdabot in it < 1354483129 462439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well if you can now find a one-line lambdabot command to crack it, all will be well. < 1354483186 258153 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I have ^A as my tmux key < 1354483192 8774 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if I pass ^A through < 1354483198 280125 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have that make a literal  < 1354483208 772098 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For manually making CTCPs < 1354483253 534574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: fine, we can assume there's a reason irssi allows personal settings. < 1354483285 162129 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because otherwise nobody would use it? < 1354483301 867034 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1354483309 233552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This IRC client makes CTRL+A send a literal CTRL+A for such purpose; to send other controls literal requires CTRL+P at first. < 1354483587 713664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep using ^A and ^E for start_of_line/end_of_line even though it's under screen; I just ^Aa all the time. It's very stupid. < 1354483597 620311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered changing your screen key < 1354483600 412592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to not be stupid < 1354483623 859092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that would just make me type a lot of ^As everywhere. < 1354483624 416840 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^A is the most convienient for me < 1354483657 977472 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default key for tmux is ^B or some shizz < 1354483711 996484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not as if I could think and operate a computer at the same time, so I have to keep doing the stupid thing. < 1354483792 474228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Is there a way to do a "/window list" that lists in the current buffer? < 1354483795 251561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Current window. < 1354483797 715854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thing. < 1354483818 257451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly imagines an intelligent race that cannot think and act at the same time, but must do all actions according to (short) preplanned algorithms < 1354483830 707989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can not have a status window at all, I think that would do it. < 1354483843 100408 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could try to pawlow self-conditioning < 1354483846 523466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is not terribly satisfying < 1354483858 52528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*species < 1354483861 130193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i would be ok with a way to write a key combo that switches to the status window and does /window list and then types "/window " for me i guess < 1354483862 521600 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: everytime you use type ^A bite yourself < 1354483866 748261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could do like ^W < 1354483912 206663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about Alt number? < 1354483920 539933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and once an algorithm has started, it cannot be halted, except according to its own rules, and no thinking can happen simultaneously. < 1354483949 209253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that doesn't show me a list. this is for when i forget which number is which < 1354483959 331105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can probably do that switch-to-status thing. < 1354483971 522808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just type the name in? < 1354483995 469154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the algorithms are too short to simulate any significant intelligence. < 1354484002 596212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/win goto the-full-name" is a bit long. < 1354484008 942810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would accept "/w substring" < 1354484050 937695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott < 1354484055 927055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely tonight < 1354484065 738819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it occurs to me that such an intelligence species would get around this by cooperation. < 1354484070 663788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-nt < 1354484084 77977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not quite < 1354484087 998807 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should bind scroll_start and scroll_end to something < 1354484093 742172 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might be useful < 1354484114 377282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "/bind X multi change_window 1;command window list;insert_text /win " (with the trailing space) where X is your key, I think. < 1354484116 383273 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, are you getting addicted to lens? < 1354484117 976825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : switch (core.opcode_index+Fetchb()) { < 1354484118 50350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : #include "core_normal/prefix_none.h" < 1354484118 210964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : #include "core_normal/prefix_0f.h" < 1354484118 284285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : #include "core_normal/prefix_66.h" < 1354484136 594089 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intelligence seems not be the best method for multitasking < 1354484139 394257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: more like addicted to HAPPINESS < 1354484154 406711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Okay, let's try this. (Is ^W bound to anything by default?) < 1354484165 242863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's bound to the usual delete-word thing. < 1354484182 458775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right. < 1354484183 675231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use that. < 1354484198 809685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are lenses and can they be given a succinct, incomprehensible definition in terms of category theory < 1354484259 589771 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There to Functors as something else is to Applicatives < 1354484297 214797 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Traversables? < 1354484306 277359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely recalls something about that < 1354484311 542543 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, something more category theoryish < 1354484361 808619 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lens is not a functor, although there is functor from category of isomorphisms of (->) to Lens, I think. < 1354484362 840540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought lens had a spot where you put in either Functor or Applicative and the former gave you an ordinary lens < 1354484367 654856 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, basically, they use functors to generalize functions and setters to the SAME THING < 1354484375 133395 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yes < 1354484405 887615 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But perhaps they could be made on other categories too, I don't know < 1354484440 346755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: store comonad coalgebra or something < 1354484465 928965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah: "Lenses are the coalgebras for the costate comonad" < 1354484484 257478 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are colenses algebras for the state monad < 1354484493 823603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask shachaf < 1354484501 642933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION might perhaps look at lens properly some day. < 1354484516 911887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe not until after upgrading the platform. < 1354484527 417194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354484528 958238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just made lots of alt+shift and then ^Z bindings < 1354484534 330801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm at least two versions behind. < 1354484542 817354 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do ^Z-shift or ^Z-alt when I'll need it < 1354484543 201032 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would an algebra in the state monad even look like < 1354484544 947466 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conans are to good cooperation what nans are to good operation. < 1354484548 338457 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"State b a -> a"? < 1354484550 112280 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354484550 185726 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354484550 185897 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354484574 410337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i thought Conans were barbarians. < 1354484588 43887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :atriq: Yep. < 1354484593 208231 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's cool, nans are grandmothers < 1354484595 251608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess algebra of state monad would be like ((s -> (a, s)) -> a) < 1354484689 412712 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A grandmother certainly isn't a number < 1354484694 989343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that Conan that is a comedian. i guess his nan is rather median, then. < 1354484702 904128 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and conan is an instance of barbarian < 1354484705 761439 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354484733 250056 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354484738 715898 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nan the Cobarbarian. < 1354484854 322999 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no remorse & no regret < 1354484868 119199 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-67-216.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354484987 187432 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354485081 573891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OMG an elf siege < 1354485086 861697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never had an elf siege before < 1354485110 455343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: edwardk fixed it < 1354485134 119636 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354485147 161987 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354485197 137059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354485292 551512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do the elves walk around saying "siege heil"? < 1354485309 859279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps < 1354485542 357615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nan the Cobarbarian. <-- I read that as "Nam" < 1354485554 918162 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and was wondering why you were joking about Indian food < 1354485776 646030 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal, < 1354485784 176470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the indian bread is called 'naan' < 1354485823 719386 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's flat and tasty < 1354485823 994807 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, is that how it is written in Swedish though? *checks* < 1354485825 692562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah that's a palindrome < 1354485839 129426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nån < 1354485846 205103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yeah you are right < 1354485891 605831 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Sometimes also plain 'nan'; I refer to it as "not-a-number bread" personally. < 1354485902 407416 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :palindrome is disappointing because it's not autological < 1354485935 727221 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I haven't seen bread that was a number < 1354485937 77044 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354485967 804660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nam" is also a Finnish interjection much the same as the English "yum". < 1354485976 261677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nam#Interjection agrees. < 1354485978 54120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, i bet you're really popular with all the local takeaways < 1354485986 468865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nom nom nom < 1354486047 672983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I don't think I've ever had to mention it to one of those; the not-a-number designation has pretty much been confined to discussions at home about what to buy from the store. < 1354486101 356240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know how hard it is to segfault DOSBox with bad guest code? if you answered "not at all hard" then you are correct < 1354486123 712925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :printf '\x62\xe5' > foo.com && dosbox foo.com < 1354486140 975894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Volapük also has the word "nam". < 1354486147 961771 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Hell, I have it happen even with valid DOS programs < 1354486152 364282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Etymology: Reversal of “man”, from Latin manus (“hand”)." < 1354486164 202814 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :mandible < 1354486165 913581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It means "hand".) < 1354486166 979987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's not very hard. < 1354486228 352262 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOSBox doesn't check segment limits either. :/ < 1354486313 471317 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its OPL emulation seems better than worse though < 1354486341 257967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can poke the VGA memory with a xor ax, ax; mov ds, ax; mov eax, 0xa0000; mov byte [eax], 42 in it. < 1354486379 262958 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would happen on a 386 machine in 16 bit mode with that code? < 1354486387 399368 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a 486 < 1354486487 280879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not entirely sure, but I'd guess an exception in at least virtual-8086 mode; maybe not in real-address mode. < 1354486527 173655 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps in real-address mode too. < 1354486530 85238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly that segfault is only a call to a NULL function pointer < 1354486564 295341 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354486615 597159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the real-address mode, vector 13 is the segment overrun exception" just going by the name, that could happen. < 1354486774 582744 :nys!~nysnamovo@24.142.60.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354486877 363401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354486937 953193 :nys!~nysnamovo@24.142.60.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i just got this idea < 1354486940 196318 :nys!~nysnamovo@24.142.60.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/UnfL0Z7T < 1354486950 258978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Looks like segfaults aren't very hard to come by. < 1354486961 859243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or maybe I was just wrong. < 1354487169 136246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you observe? < 1354487199 197758 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354487288 171062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, printf '\x44\x51' > foo.com && dosbox foo.com < 1354487305 885557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unlike 62 e5, this isn't an invalid instruction. < 1354487316 217522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just inc sp; push cx < 1354487338 418197 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So overwrite whatever was on top of stack < 1354487353 878320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1354487360 501315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't *think* that's supposed to segfault it... < 1354487364 998065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But will the program terminate, or probably it will result something invalid and break it? < 1354487369 340410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :segfaults my Debian DOSBox 0.74 but not the SVN trunk version < 1354487374 330450 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354487432 608581 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the top of the stack would contain the return to dos < 1354487443 961206 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that shouldn't matter < 1354487518 962409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anyway there are a bunch of other 2-byte .com files that will crash it. < 1354487529 575548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try them all? < 1354487553 363035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To return to DOS using the stack I think you will need a RET instruction, though. < 1354487558 571023 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1354487560 878154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1354487566 518352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generated them all but trying them is a hassle. < 1354487569 132732 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise the CPU would just go past your program and then execute whatever < 1354487702 295406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems the guest can install a callback for certain events (not the ISA-provided interrupt vector mechanism but some DOSBox thing) and the default callback is "jump to address 0 in the host" < 1354487732 876814 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354487790 447547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that implementing the "mount" command? < 1354487828 409928 :nys!~nysnamovo@24.142.60.139 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354487841 54447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no idea < 1354488075 444901 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354488139 392676 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354488271 926385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How did you come across it? < 1354488280 849230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomly < 1354488366 68736 :nys!~nysnamovo@24.142.60.139 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354488375 216643 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi elliott < 1354488381 361985 :nys!~nysnamovo@24.142.60.139 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi < 1354488400 615435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not night yet < 1354488459 507041 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you really not < 1354488462 254678 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :started the fortess yetr < 1354488468 941238 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ever going to.......................... < 1354488500 312778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354488515 615317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one step at a time man! < 1354488527 535924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first, get df working (come on you must have done this) < 1354488539 816209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to come up with a way to make sure Phantom_Hoover won't cheat!! < 1354488546 829547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about cats and explosoins < 1354488552 352795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo don't play df btw < 1354488566 86570 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing df means not fixing lens : ) < 1354488595 858275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What happened to your nose? < 1354488617 22718 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's invisible < 1354488627 350193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⿐ < 1354488628 288266 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. stylized out < 1354488654 208558 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. it's a " " < 1354488659 26040 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. can't you see it???? < 1354488674 134981 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3) < 1354488686 264950 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354488690 481931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whats alt. < 1354488693 712477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like ctrl < 1354488695 46200 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively < 1354488707 718453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like meta < 1354488713 92453 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :super < 1354488797 856273 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354488845 382794 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354489058 170995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Carriage#Representation_erasure < 1354489058 405705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354490494 125058 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my god it's full of (5-legged) stars < 1354490745 886039 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354491868 526676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: *MWAHAHAHA* < 1354491897 168631 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you not say "five-legged"? < 1354491941 362036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think five-pointed is more common, although my maniackal laugh was not about that. < 1354492022 751247 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do i know that from? < 1354492036 756256 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds familiar < 1354492045 206989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's even a wp article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five-pointed_star < 1354492233 690354 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i find legs more accurate than points since it 10 of them < 1354492239 930539 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has < 1354492260 823834 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pentagram has 5, right < 1354492276 551941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1354492297 778985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: um isn't the mutual recursion in ocaml solved the same way with types as with functions, by using "and"? < 1354492328 615476 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that? < 1354492335 828632 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will try in 3.2 seconds < 1354492352 686750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps count < 1354492384 559133 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WORKS < 1354492386 301573 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1354492389 57462 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was simple < 1354492392 669264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does a little dance < 1354492419 593252 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I had always thought "it's stupid that you can do mutual recursion for variables but not for types" < 1354492445 227143 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of a problem I have, though < 1354492480 883662 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance when playing a board game and my opponent does something unexpected I will usually think "uh, that's a weird move" rather than "ok, now, why did he do that?" < 1354492516 727050 :nys!~nysnamovo@24.142.60.139 QUIT :Quit: quit < 1354492570 842584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously this is simpler in haskell >:) < 1354492571 155600 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the other hand this would pretty much depend on the move < 1354492615 243574 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a native operator in haskell to get the cartesian product? < 1354492632 182648 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it be simpler than "use and" < 1354492635 663837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> liftM2 (,) "may" "be" < 1354492637 53920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [('m','b'),('m','e'),('a','b'),('a','e'),('y','b'),('y','e')] < 1354492667 812897 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1354492731 607027 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :couldn't it be more like may X be? < 1354492737 371002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: admittedly for values/functions you also need to use "rec", i think < 1354492773 232217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: it's not _that_ often you need it i think... < 1354492803 157248 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really no.. at least not for now < 1354492821 964905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle f a -> f b -> f (a,b) < 1354492822 512570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Sequence zip :: Seq a -> Seq b -> Seq (a, b) < 1354492822 675950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude zip :: [a] -> [b] -> [(a, b)] < 1354492822 748979 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List zip :: [a] -> [b] -> [(a, b)] < 1354492825 538133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just define an operator for it if you want < 1354492835 417523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong function < 1354492838 344887 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1354492839 523297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with idiom brackets it'd be (| (a,b) |) :P < 1354492861 559260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it really? < 1354492871 860709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1354492929 494999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Applicative f => f a -> f b -> f (a,b) < 1354492929 961786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Sequence zip :: Seq a -> Seq b -> Seq (a, b) < 1354492930 39913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude zip :: [a] -> [b] -> [(a, b)] < 1354492930 112804 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List zip :: [a] -> [b] -> [(a, b)] < 1354492937 920953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad hoogle < 1354492973 132259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 has been suggesting this function, i think :) < 1354492987 863348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an alternative base function for applicatives < 1354493019 654388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are doing applicative (not zip) then for f a -> f b -> f (a,b) you will have uncurry liftPair or liftA2 (,) < 1354493040 601660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more connected to the category theory way of looking at it. < 1354493042 495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I called it the liftPair which I think should be one of the class methods for Applicative < 1354493075 974587 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx a lot < 1354493099 532570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (><) < 1354493099 742057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test.QuickCheck.Arbitrary (><) :: (Gen a -> Gen a) -> (Gen a -> Gen a) -> (Gen a -> Gen a) < 1354493099 820105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test.QuickCheck (><) :: (Gen a -> Gen a) -> (Gen a -> Gen a) -> (Gen a -> Gen a) < 1354493099 893645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Graph.Inductive.Query.Monad (><) :: (a -> b) -> (c -> d) -> (a, c) -> (b, d) < 1354493141 530128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>< is used, but not in a very basic library, i think < 1354493414 979441 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354493592 832387 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354494033 402369 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354494448 739535 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354496307 8855 :myndzi\!myndzi@174-31-191-131.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354496335 41396 :myndzi\!myndzi@75-172-25-135.tukw.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354496944 16888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354497822 94169 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1354497823 143882 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1354497836 170038 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just begin to watch the next stargate episode < 1354497847 373854 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it started by a "previously in stargate sg-1..." < 1354497849 147703 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1354497858 701392 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT THE HECK OF A SPOILER IS THAT THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT PREVIOUS < 1354497876 389783 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute ewoks coming out of everywhere < 1354497883 340016 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeee arrrre the fuuurrrrrlings < 1354497892 438629 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :daniel jackson: we finally get to meet you! < 1354497894 4506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing that for a time travel episode would be a mindscrew < 1354497897 578509 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THOUGHT THEY DIDN'T EXIST < 1354497903 404102 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1354497911 423200 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it would < 1354497941 601543 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there was a series called "stargate gravity" that was canceled very early because it was too much of a mindscrew < 1354497946 209998 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ihavetofindthat < 1354497957 607493 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, back to episode *hoping it's a joke* < 1354497995 741728 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1354498003 72776 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is) < 1354498437 743972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: regarding your last edit, if it's like haskell -rectypes is only needed when there is no named constructor between a type and its recursed appearance. < 1354498461 515372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well haskell doesn't have -rectypes, but that's when you get an error.) < 1354498476 395258 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that episode was awesome. < 1354498546 211823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :value constructor, that is. < 1354498601 982185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you removed _both_ "A of" and "B of", it would be needed, but having at least one of them is enough. < 1354498942 31518 :myndzi\!myndzi@75-172-25-135.tukw.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354499217 360074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wine doesn't provide any isolation against malicious windows programs right < 1354499223 455136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like they can still execute native linux syscalls i think < 1354499290 550228 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you asking because your system has been compromised by a Fallout crack < 1354499344 984413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't been compromised yet ;) < 1354499389 919767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fallout for DOS, right? < 1354499406 275071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What's with the dosbox and WINE thing? < 1354499527 6337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you see < 1354499532 763002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am excited about grand theft auto v < 1354499538 522404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coming out next year < 1354499546 348840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i decided to play grand theft auto i in dosbox < 1354499551 170732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i realized it sucks < 1354499563 172507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now i am trying to play san andreas in wine < 1354499690 501719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great i'm supposed to get wine from multiarch now < 1354499699 319243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354499702 821573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you get WINE in Debian anyway? < 1354499704 839420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure this will not in any way ruin my entire system and cause apt to segfault randomly like last time < 1354499710 899280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the usual way? < 1354499757 572666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1354499769 190122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At one point the package wasn't available in testing. < 1354499776 295045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though it was in stable and unstable. < 1354499779 970146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it's back. < 1354499788 229764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still get that issue occasionally with other packages. < 1354500206 442315 :PieBotN!~piespy@96.43.64.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354500371 508628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how allegedly wine can run all of these different programs but the only one i can actually run is starcraft < 1354500383 126993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think wine may secretly be a cleanroom reimplementation of starcraft < 1354500411 468751 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, WINE ran Red Alert 3 better than Windows for me at one point. < 1354500421 855078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1354500429 512587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i did run about half of deus ex too < 1354500432 975623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't totally work < 1354500448 58715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also ran a bunch of other things. < 1354500454 815426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diablo II worked well. < 1354500492 796667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i love how allegedly wine can run all of these different programs but the only one i can actually run is starcraft i think wine may secretly be a cleanroom reimplementation of starcraft < 1354500504 406455 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) i love how allegedly wine can run all of these different programs but the only one i can actually run is starcraft i think wine may secretly be a cleanroom reimplementation of starcraft < 1354500550 46556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shattered Galaxy worked in WINE for me some years ago < 1354500561 318688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the UI looks like Starcraft, I think < 1354500599 519667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you weren't actually playing starcraft < 1354500635 417828 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, right < 1354500643 606500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf I tried going to wine.appdb.com derp < 1354500665 26840 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a very primitive way to recognize troublesome recursive types < 1354500678 382703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://appdb.winehq.org/appimage.php?iId=12758 < 1354500690 790566 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially for a language like Ocaml which is supposed to be good at that kind of stuff < 1354500717 593838 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah it was great :) < 1354500723 574895 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it didn't really have an ending though < 1354500731 275348 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it felt really really short < 1354500743 135720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: well the thing i've heard is that if you don't have that rule, you very often get things that type well if you leave out arguments < 1354500774 233463 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you rephrase? < 1354500780 832597 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm notsure I understand < 1354500800 133565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :missing or extra arguments to functions often end up not giving type errors if you allow recursive types. < 1354500809 314405 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does Starcraft look like that image? I've never actually played < 1354500819 785541 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1354500837 119011 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes for instance with "('a -> 'a) as 'a" < 1354500840 812739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354500908 842034 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not about preventing nonsensical data structures? < 1354500926 325808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for haskell, they have newtype which always compiles as no extra overhead, so it's not _necessary_ to use recursive types for anything. < 1354500961 1916 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance if you define type 'a endless = 'a * 'a endless < 1354501011 791987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it prevents nonsensical data structures too, although in haskell data Stream a = Stream a (Stream a) is a perfectly useful type for always infinite lists < 1354501050 474199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more or less the same as what you wrote, underneath < 1354501057 807206 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# type a = a;; < 1354501057 933102 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: The type abbreviation a is cyclic < 1354501058 274981 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :# type a = A of a;; < 1354501058 509950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type a = A of a < 1354501076 190099 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooooooooo not so useful after all < 1354501104 883730 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, it works < 1354501111 887034 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let rec x = A x < 1354501187 92375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ocaml has special support for cyclic constants < 1354501234 853642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Mu < 1354501236 200476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(* -> *) -> * < 1354501259 538553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (Mu . Identity) < 1354501261 71494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Mu' < 1354501284 787432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (Fix . Identity) < 1354501286 214020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Fix' < 1354501289 117826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is Starcraft good? < 1354501293 858688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any good RTSes? :-( < 1354501295 866889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn what was it called < 1354501327 566885 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type In < 1354501328 781328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f (Mu f) -> Mu f < 1354501336 371276 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that? < 1354501338 969381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1354501344 197512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Mu < 1354501344 431184 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mu f = In { out :: f (Mu f) } < 1354501354 27128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (In . Identity) < 1354501355 453439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show < 1354501355 609782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Data.Functor.Identity.I... < 1354501356 804604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Rec -- better?? < 1354501356 882934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Just what do you think you're doing Dave? < 1354501361 1765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah < 1354501363 56436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1354501368 306131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix (In . Just) < 1354501370 97835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In (Just (In (Just (In (Just (In (Just (In (Just (In (Just (In (Just (In (J... < 1354501397 104288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In? < 1354501400 543725 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In. < 1354501401 118394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1354501424 869235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty InR < 1354501426 45011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rec a -> a) -> Rec a < 1354501431 290299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than In?? < 1354501480 488063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not the same purpose < 1354501494 959909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "better" is a total ordering on all objects. < 1354501498 702899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354501534 301297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, InR is better than In, and In is better than bell peppers < 1354501607 306117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :objects that think "better" is not a total ordering on all objects are better than objects that think "better" is a total ordering on all objects < 1354501638 943556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Objects that don't think are better than both of those. < 1354501647 609013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "better" is not even a partial ordering < 1354501658 724470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, i like bell peppers < 1354501671 448113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think "better" is not always transitive. < 1354501684 992257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, is a computer that works not better than a broken computer? < 1354501693 392576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caltrain is not always transitive. :-( < 1354501710 874999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: depends. was it trying to kill you before it broke? < 1354501743 299633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Good point I suppose. < 1354501757 212227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I meant is not *always* transitive; it is sometimes transitive. < 1354501885 833465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if x <= y or y <= x always holds, then any three objects must have some transitivity among them. < 1354501966 536947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(clarifying and then proving the above statement left as an exercise.) < 1354502073 270502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in a partial ordering and in a total ordering you would have if x<=y and y<=x and x=y. A partial ordering is the same as a thin category, isn't it? < 1354502108 148149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(They may be different even though equal, I guess?) < 1354502118 213175 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, what is better than something else, also means, is better in what way? < 1354502260 146166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote edwardk ieee < 1354502260 323610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk says: type level ieee floats are a crime against nature. i had to implement them in c++ for template meta programming once. never ever again < 1354502265 970523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: See what you're missing? < 1354502300 67321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I've been getting more annoy{ed,ing} lately where #haskell is concerned. < 1354502317 44164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day shapr told me I was being too negative. < 1354502453 570072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shapr hasn't broken long ago? < 1354502457 719622 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is becoming kmc? < 1354502511 136715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be that a instance can be designated "evil" which indicates that it is not completely mathematically correct, and that derived instances from evil instances also are called evil; for example, instances such as (Num Float) and so on have this designation. In case of optimization of mathematical laws (if any), they can be omitted. < 1354502542 563815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So due to this it would apply also to (Monoid (Sum Double)) and so on since rounding errors can cause the result to be wrong. < 1354502934 614583 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of chess variant involving Scrabble tiles as the pieces? (There is the number in the corner, which can be used to tell which direction it is facing, if you like.) < 1354503284 436796 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"how is it that you are alive when everyone else on the planet was killed?" "I was protected by this" *points at her necklace* *camera zooms in to display necklace + cleavage* ... *camera stays on cleavage* ... *camera still on cleavage* < 1354503318 730853 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scifi.jpg < 1354503341 549657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*camera won't move because now the camera men is killed too < 1354503350 435462 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1354503399 433241 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously the necklace thing is just there for fanservice < 1354503525 825613 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't expect the lead female opposing character to die in the first scene just because of jewelry < 1354503738 386035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/97PdF.jpg < 1354503742 265590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(found on Reddit) < 1354504209 92197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t to < 1354504210 572318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gettable f => (s -> a) -> (a -> f a) -> s -> f s < 1354504307 671041 :TheSmooze!codu@codu.org NICK :WindWhistler < 1354504402 406379 :WindWhistler!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1354504579 394899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t over mapped < 1354504594 251945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1354504627 102481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: (a -> b) -> [a] -> [b]; foo f xs = over mapped f xs is even compiled into foo = map! < 1354504694 498801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hm..." < 1354504703 216737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1354504703 304844 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1354504705 959079 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread killed < 1354504714 87140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1354504718 989404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t over mapped < 1354504720 492307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I messed things up a little bit in the other channel. < 1354504726 372346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:11 @@ @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo @echo < 1354504727 797572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1354504732 141263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:13 "whoops" < 1354504756 217323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1354504769 918787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Isn't it great, though! < 1354504777 622195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1354504789 99101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: There are a lot of unsafeCoerces in lens to make it happen. < 1354504919 991506 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354505121 240552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t from < 1354505146 266533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chirp* < 1354505153 215252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :from < 1354505153 393476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: forall r. < 1354505153 466864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Isomorphic r => < 1354505153 467080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Isomorphism (B r) (A r) (T r) (S r) -> r < 1354505161 740621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bats < 1354505189 62636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1354505205 365849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thread killed < 1354505214 545854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: We could sure use a nicer Iso. :-( < 1354505231 657343 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is becoming obvious that I don't understand delimited continuations as well as I thought < 1354505253 348533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said, before his brain exploded. < 1354505267 504162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: quote that and not the other one? < 1354505273 703804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the anon one < 1354505277 483694 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of COURSE, if I just shift into four day cubic time then *boom* < 1354505278 840335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1354505294 51097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, I just gave the answer to oerjan's question. < 1354505300 324486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anon < 1354505300 483809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : :: forall r. < 1354505300 557274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Isomorphic r, S r ~ Maybe (A r), T r ~ Maybe (A r), B r ~ A r) => < 1354505300 557437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : A r -> (A r -> Bool) -> r < 1354505331 251427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA) < 1354505335 748505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Arr < 1354505337 943676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@Arrr < 1354505362 182277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: arr yarr < 1354505362 403724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye Aye Cap'n < 1354505374 222200 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are S, T, A, B < 1354505380 921041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^.) < 1354505388 888131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> Getting a s t a b -> a < 1354505396 602945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: its what you get < 1354505409 37771 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thats s t a b < 1354505415 275000 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a s t a b < 1354505420 246757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: aren't you ready to get a s t a b..... < 1354505424 335264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is S T A B............................... < 1354505429 47376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre type families < 1354505429 372688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :S = s < 1354505439 340883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: haskell = casein sensitive < 1354505470 934345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how cheesy < 1354505490 353513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fine. < 1354505493 61876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lie. :-( < 1354505552 559912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact haskell pays no attention to cheese at all < 1354505577 665339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the cheese. < 1354505601 692493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You know the thing that's called "bulgarian cheese" in Hebrew? < 1354505608 73097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...no. < 1354505616 243378 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why would people name their type families S T A B < 1354505640 708487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: elliott just got startled < 1354505642 41414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's a very dysfunctional family < 1354505651 79381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: some people know no taste. sooner or later they'll be getting a s t a b < 1354505663 614505 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know ? < 1354505670 876719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: know what < 1354505675 351217 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why its S T A B < 1354505694 914738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354505700 212485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is a reference to s < 1354505703 773551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :T is a reference to t < 1354505707 436115 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A is a reference to a < 1354505711 142946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :B is a reference to c < 1354505715 103683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354505730 561742 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help :( < 1354505754 664310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :obvyusly < 1354505756 290527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: class Isomorphic r where iso :: (S r -> A r) -> (B r -> T r) -> r; type S; type T; type A; type B < 1354505767 852521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"um....." < 1354505773 531679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: class Isomorphic r where iso :: (S r -> A r) -> (B r -> T r) -> r; type S r; type T r; type A r; type B r < 1354505797 731708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type family CoalgebraicA (x :: *) :: * < 1354505797 819011 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type family CoalgebraicB (x :: *) :: * < 1354505798 32242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type family CoalgebraicF (x :: *) :: * -> * < 1354505804 470760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type instance CoalgebraicA (a -> f_b) = a < 1354505804 545154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type instance CoalgebraicB (a -> f b) = b < 1354505804 545316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type instance CoalgebraicF (a -> f b) = f < 1354505812 624823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (Functor f, x ~ (a -> f b), y ~ (s -> f t)) => Isomorphic (x -> y) where type S (x -> y) = CoalgebraicA y type T (x -> y) = CoalgebraicB y type A (x -> y) = CoalgebraicA x type B (x -> y) = CoalgebraicB x iso sa bt afb s = bt <$> afb (sa s) < 1354505828 521815 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad we got that cleared up. < 1354505829 366548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shachaf is going critical. RUN! < 1354505854 34600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "don't worry it's constructive criticism" < 1354505865 877472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote critcism < 1354505869 867940 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354505870 513569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote criticism < 1354505874 518365 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :175) Thanks to nooga for constructive criticism, his ideas and being a constant annoyance. --http://theendisnear.no-ip.info/ \ 720) elliott: Anyway, if you wrote a Haskell book, I would read it and possibly provide classical criticism. That is to say, non-constructive. < 1354505880 510274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 720 < 1354505924 984054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :international mathematics olympiad 720 < 1354505943 214650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*al < 1354505957 62971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olympial < 1354505973 917829 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSalienandpredat < 1354505982 938184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very good URL. < 1354505989 578032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like my other symmetric variants too? < 1354505991 264225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has almost all the components. < 1354506002 336489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Variants? < 1354506012 426415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :microsoft aliens sound scary < 1354506013 730129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't mean the URL; I mean the game written by the rules described on that HTML page. < 1354506021 80779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What page? < 1354506022 209260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! < 1354506028 935199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want me to send an HTTP GET request. < 1354506031 792049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get it now. < 1354506033 38222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think "MS" stands for "member submission". < 1354506037 695574 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1354506050 71312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was submitted by alien members, ok < 1354506124 84139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you should take the bus to san francisco < 1354506126 179790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :$1! < 1354506129 735391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other games I made which is symmetric variant of asymmetric game, is: http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MStworingchess http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSsymmetricsnark http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSsymmetricmonst < 1354506146 100418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microsoft symmetric snark? < 1354506169 782050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's what happens when their tech support goes _really_ wrong < 1354506266 900293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: btw asymmetric ≻ symmetric < 1354506498 660790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i got GTA San Andreas to run in Wine < 1354506534 741579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have also, in comments on other pages, proposed symmetric variant of Angels and Devils. < 1354506556 690961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works pretty well except that the world is filled with huge flickering multicolored polygons, and every object casts a trail of flame against the sky < 1354506566 813500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm just going to play as if my character is tripping on acid < 1354506614 431087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know conal lives in San Andreas? < 1354506632 386264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1354506633 308616 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1354506660 840799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Isn't that how you play "real life" too? < 1354506762 158661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1354507291 713927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc isn't real. < 1354507320 269999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: should I learn Agda < 1354507360 833413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354507377 553643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are different definitions of "astrological age" which is not agreed on. As far as I know two is possible: [1] The constellation of the vernal equinox point. [2] The negative of ayanamsha. In the second case, you have to know what the reference date is! < 1354507386 259094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wait, you haven't already? < 1354507388 17426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Agda was just Haskell with fancy types and ":" instead of "::". < 1354507411 228997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well I "know" it < 1354507421 383417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i can't read their freaky unicode proofs < 1354507433 312233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(have you seen them) < 1354507462 508632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ... am not sure. < 1354507482 370038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda is also require Unicode. < 1354507488 537101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that. < 1354507497 122424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually agda does not require unicode at all < 1354507517 645686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The worse part is that you have to use Emacs. :-( < 1354507524 684559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's actually not that bad.) < 1354507613 903656 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell does not require Unicode, but it does supports it. Some libraries do have names only using non-ASCII, and GHC has no way to enter the name using Punycode or something like that! < 1354507631 647499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agda does not require unicode < 1354507641 4832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know of any agda-mode docs < 1354507653 792028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1354507659 680039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-h C-something < 1354507670 918174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not good docs < 1354507677 246174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1354507693 162235 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not terrible either. < 1354507693 476527 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try C-h m to get the mode's online documentation. < 1354507703 104889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"online documentation" < 1354507709 567445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's useless. < 1354507713 586093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Also, "online documentation", really. < 1354507723 5341 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug. < 1354507731 63784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you use emacs for anything else? < 1354507735 630892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354507736 512142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometime < 1354507736 882041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1354507768 36186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just have to know Emacs. < 1354507787 296239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw colenses are pretty cool right?? < 1354507796 290917 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354507797 905225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of annoyed at how ugly Isomorphic etc. are. < 1354507799 420152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yo is there something like http://www.cse.chalmers.se/~nad/listings/lib/Category.Functor.html in the stdlib but that encodes the laws < 1354507802 955177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do i gotta write this shit mysel < 1354507803 308621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f < 1354507804 51323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome epicmonkey < 1354507807 610883 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :epicmonkey: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354507809 399355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.opensourcenerd.com/i-can-haz-virus this person seems to have some serious misunderstandings about what wine does and doesn't provide < 1354507839 396080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should add a pragma in GHC to allow you to write the names in ASCII, by specifying the quoted string of the Unicode name, and the unquoted name in ASCII; the first letter/symbol must have the same case. It also allow to specify alternative names for constructors, even if it is already ASCII. < 1354507845 282221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lol @ the many commenters who think the difference between user account and root on a linux desktop is super important < 1354507879 342158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://github.com/copumpkin/categories/blob/master/Categories/Functor/Core.agda < 1354507904 699282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I... don't want to use that. < 1354507912 192998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a really pervasive bit of cargo cult security < 1354507914 707453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Good thinking. < 1354507922 53037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me many years to realize how wrong it is < 1354507933 687251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i type the fancy l < 1354507934 529021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for levels < 1354507966 213976 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\ell" < 1354507985 295798 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget how emacs/agda-mode does its thing < 1354508084 86593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℓ? < 1354508090 692007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that mean? < 1354508142 805661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that one < 1354508145 528226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh \ell works < 1354508154 956743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does cabal install agda get me the stdlib < 1354508157 264719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do i have to do my own stuff < 1354508173 349205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it works? < 1354508177 718749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "try it out" < 1354508187 347103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Also you didn't answer my question. < 1354508234 444350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1354508238 864313 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1354508311 701326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any 3D modeling that you can write x^2+y^2+z^2=25 and it will work? < 1354508368 842304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the composition law for functors called < 1354508456 980035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is called anything other than a composition law for functors. < 1354508506 802786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It doesn't find the stdlib. < 1354508601 35401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Try apt-get install agda < 1354508610 67914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get install agda-stdlib < 1354508642 321637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt-get command not found < 1354508646 373732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- my computer dot com < 1354508652 657468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "wgpluck" command in Csound seem to be good quality of plucked string sounds. < 1354509583 228802 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354509660 888404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have reverb files for Stonehenge? < 1354510366 174699 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there samples of wgpluck somewhere? < 1354510449 900306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I don't know of any, but if you have Csound you can use the examples in http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/wgpluck.html < 1354510462 411689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use it with real-time or you can send output to a sound file if you want that. < 1354510530 743735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also find using "wguide1" with PhISEM opcodes makes a nice sound too (although not a plucked string sound) < 1354510753 317759 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1354510883 348983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354510895 198474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Do you need samples of Csound? < 1354510918 323746 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already installed it and listened to them. < 1354511154 516449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354511567 769615 :PieBotN!~piespy@96.43.64.250 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354512166 811927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1354512176 103135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354512220 618050 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354512384 467568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : score < 1354512386 62245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :------- < 1354512389 425129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1354512470 777687 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354513919 351854 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354513940 533231 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354513966 886996 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354514117 538042 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-30.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354514163 796669 :elliott_!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Client Quit < 1354514317 491174 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354514317 603022 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1354514317 603148 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1354514852 956680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354515029 417094 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354515171 438211 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-30.elisa.ee PART #esoteric :"Left" < 1354515668 765888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://whyismarko.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/food-nativity.jpg < 1354515730 499158 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354515753 3876 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354515753 162910 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1354515753 236078 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1354515831 674068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: More like #messoteric, right? < 1354515852 558736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what was monqy doing in #haskell < 1354515864 589749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy elliott: what was monqy doing in #haskell < 1354515864 746041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354515887 925240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1354515893 941144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354516218 559232 :ashet4!~root@adsl-ull-114-195.50-151.net24.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354516249 105249 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354516269 337921 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354516269 410738 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354516479 807400 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354516693 514663 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | /topic: the new way to chat | How arre you? | *-r < 1354517515 393282 :ashet4!~root@adsl-ull-114-195.50-151.net24.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1354518167 62078 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354518240 303633 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354518362 746061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :MEGA EXTRA SUPER FOREVER | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354518374 455287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :qqqqq | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354518912 791059 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354519371 961420 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I disagree with your chosen amount of Qs. < 1354519403 833917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :@ask monqy http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354519408 272908 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354519487 208232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354519650 109451 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1354519704 137456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a train. There's a wireless network in the train! < 1354519719 684439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not getting usd to this. < 1354519753 89696 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting used to being a train may be difficult, but with the right attitude you can! < 1354519783 849966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it gives me consolation that the connection is terribly laggy. < 1354519786 447447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :http://cоdu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354519787 268531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting USD for being a train may be even more difficult < 1354519832 707176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't know, you could rent yourself out to someone who needs a train for $$$ars. < 1354519856 535611 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I understand it, the money doesn't go to the train but usually to the owner of the train < 1354519885 23104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... that would conventionally be my wife, I guess? < 1354519925 543268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I am a train. There's a wireless network in the train! < 1354519936 100799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861) I am a train. There's a wireless network in the train! < 1354519949 638298 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_trains_owned_by_wifes < 1354519955 810309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wives", olsner < 1354519992 145911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1354519993 123789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the train is also going to Turku, city of oklopol. I think. < 1354520008 741540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to meet oklopol < 1354520066 461531 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not, I'm not sure I'm prepared for that. < 1354520079 180330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can you pass up the opportunity < 1354520083 383242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will be around what I think is his university, though. < 1354520088 1181 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354520270 384221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, this is stupid. I have this bluetooth headset that can be used as a regular headset with a cable, but when the battery is completely out (like now) it won't switch to the regular-headset mode. < 1354520298 610997 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping I could be like other people and listen to signals while in a public transport vehicle. < 1354520317 594942 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354520337 23088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ping < 1354520338 878556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: ping ping ping < 1354520341 743493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: emergency < 1354520344 650897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: you have to meet fizzie < 1354520350 353149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: travel to nearest train station < 1354520363 308726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right i wanted to addquote that < 1354520366 149026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look for a fizzie-shaped train? < 1354520371 1182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I was hoping I could be like other people and listen to signals while in a public transport vehicle. < 1354520374 259997 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :862) I was hoping I could be like other people and listen to signals while in a public transport vehicle. < 1354520400 64190 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354521032 947946 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354521037 28708 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SCP-411 speaks an as-yet-unknown dialect of English that has significant grammatical and vocabulary deviations from Modern English. Individuals who are to be given training in this language will benefit from a background in Spanish, Mandarin and/or Cantonese, ██████ and Haskell." < 1354521057 753437 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that entry made me chuckle < 1354521073 936426 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354521101 393188 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I wasn't able to do the thing where I say monqy elliott < 1354521118 290510 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgive you < 1354521192 527137 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I should have beat you :P < 1354521248 376973 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354521251 713770 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :158) elliott: i like scsh's mechanism best: it's most transparent and doesn't really serve a very useful feature. < 1354521498 3383 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354521549 300787 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354521719 118140 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: mosh < 1354521985 299940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Bish bosh. < 1354522277 558046 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354522288 221978 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :488) On further reflection, I think I did manage to miss winter and spring altogether. This does explain the goblin siege I had in autumn. < 1354522374 564686 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1354522693 198975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I think you are insufficiently agile. < 1354522857 769455 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354522944 325753 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354523054 12961 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354523131 742047 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354523678 301345 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@195.206.224.60 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354525509 854276 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24-52-224-101.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354525971 608671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1354526123 943731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354526420 580316 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1354527986 819984 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354527989 343980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354528394 143063 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354528955 943975 :Sgeo|MOG11111!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354528963 850617 :Sgeo|MOG11111!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Phantom_Hoover monqy < 1354528967 815898 :Sgeo|MOG11111!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: < 1354528973 825742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mog11111 < 1354529004 789313 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOG11111, excuse you < 1354529071 786327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sorry < 1354529112 73612 :Sgeo|MOG11111!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I didn't think a nick of Sgeo|MOG!!!!! would work < 1354529118 852363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's monqy < 1354529120 690635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1354529131 358216 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1354529135 461726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you ever read the ghc inliner < 1354529153 576846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you know what main:Foo.Foo{v reR} means! < 1354529200 815968 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I finally got my verbose output! < 1354529222 585664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering inlining: main:Foo.Foo{v reR} [gid[DataConWrapper]] arg infos [] uf arity 0 interesting continuation ArgCtxt False some_benefit False is exp: True is work-free: True guidance ALWAYS_IF(unsat_ok=True,boring_ok=True) ANSWER = YES < 1354529274 295393 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1354529345 102568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: yes or no < 1354529361 295006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were ghc you would say ANSWER = YES < 1354529365 663368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ANSWER = NO < 1354529398 844181 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dddont know < 1354529831 889661 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also if you’re prolog. < 1354530361 93480 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354530922 704390 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi NICK :xD < 1354530949 936537 :xD!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is so funny i decided this will save my time < 1354530952 563801 :xD!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi NICK :Guest7699 < 1354530959 463259 :Guest7699!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :krhm < 1354530966 241375 :Guest7699!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what :D < 1354530968 234041 :Guest7699!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi NICK :oklopol < 1354530970 827396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guest7699: fizzie is coming to yr town < 1354530973 947541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go meet him < 1354530990 459722 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:35:10] -NickServ- This nickname is registered. Please choose a different nickname, or identify via /msg NickServ identify . < 1354530991 638372 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1354530991 872716 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:35:10] -NickServ- You have 30 seconds to identify to your nickname before it is changed. < 1354530991 945545 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :- < 1354530991 945706 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:35:39] -NickServ- You failed to identify in time for the nickname Xd < 1354530992 359293 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1354531025 953946 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is? < 1354531037 298396 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354531057 360881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354531060 853381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he may even be there right now < 1354531061 269657 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes indeed < 1354531083 399011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: apparently he's going to your university-abouts < 1354531083 890141 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: where should we meet? < 1354531088 393743 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i read < 1354531179 851956 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354531198 472818 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of bored of being atriq < 1354531200 961194 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net NICK :Taneb < 1354531210 155986 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@195.206.224.60 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354531528 834517 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaargh < 1354531840 756866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoami < 1354531844 440832 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoami: cannot find name for user ID 5000 < 1354531844 598072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354531847 631221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id -a < 1354531851 291000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=873786 < 1354531854 656928 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id -a < 1354531860 522748 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=787581 < 1354531862 453999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pft. Why can't we be root? < 1354531903 4096 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id -G < 1354531906 576085 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :736514 < 1354531923 32732 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`id -Z < 1354531926 914621 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :id: --context (-Z) works only on an SELinux-enabled kernel < 1354532607 882050 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1354532813 710622 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354533018 349793 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354533131 17298 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354533329 646794 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is the topic link doing that < 1354533341 898231 :atriq!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net NICK :Taneb < 1354533388 478684 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing what < 1354533408 930273 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I click it and say open in browser, it goes to http://xn--cdu-sed.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354533438 968813 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 'o' is cyrillic < 1354533445 656733 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+043E CYRILLIC SMALL LETTER O < 1354533452 241925 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, crazy < 1354533489 403411 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :http://cоdu.org/lоgs/_еsоtеric/ < 1354533506 265585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :http://соdu.оrg/lоgs/_еsоtеric/ < 1354533646 540716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http codu logs esoteric < 1354533714 538509 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354533894 425796 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :xanadu-sed.org < 1354534304 408563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric : < 1354534474 533699 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354536282 11090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354536399 876444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: any idea what's up with http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=OISC&curid=1012&diff=34930&oldid=33316? < 1354536428 205581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure the link actually is relevant -- I can't tell what it's on about and certainly it is in the wrong section -- but the commentless removal is a bit odd < 1354536506 425142 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link talks about OISCs < 1354536595 353160 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354536943 871213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is this about meeting people. :/ < 1354536964 50966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am at the ICT building, I think I'll be mostly in hiding. < 1354537026 600349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: fizzie is at the ICT building < 1354537028 510769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go meet him < 1354537063 388270 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Seppo Pulkkinen, Department of Mathematics and Statistics, University of Turku" is this guy from your guys? < 1354537073 800829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's talking about something. < 1354537119 202943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be here in this thing until 18 and my train away leaves Kupittaa at 19, so there. < 1354537155 505075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: THERE'S NOT MUCH TIME < 1354537234 82174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott did you do that thing < 1354537331 212359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I AM BUSY ORGANISING A MEETING OF FINNS < 1354537357 439038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run worldgen in the background while doing that! < 1354537405 548468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without fully devoting my attention to it???? < 1354537407 432350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be sloppy < 1354537463 496636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worldgen man, you just watch 3 numbers increment at an ever-slower rate < 1354537495 181174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why you are hopeless Phantom_Hoover < 1354537997 702301 :ashet4!~root@adsl-ull-114-195.50-151.net24.it PART :#esoteric < 1354538306 453195 :Sgeo|MOG11111!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is sleep? < 1354538344 148365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is MOG11111 < 1354538378 844472 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep is that time of the day when people don't pay attention as I break into their kitchens looking steal'em cookies < 1354538421 561115 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354538528 25778 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep is what happens when you have too much blood in your caffeine circulation < 1354538551 704796 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda gross nortti < 1354538566 464374 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way? < 1354538587 133051 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blood in my caffeine??gross < 1354538987 407193 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354539155 213250 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just caused some nostalgia < 1354539164 650489 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354539274 678261 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1354539324 892818 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354539372 132739 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354539372 205578 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354539372 205745 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354539374 593597 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminded a couple of people of something they were planning to make years ago < 1354539487 18372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354539493 396915 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354540070 40498 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354540498 613404 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354540801 290209 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354540821 208552 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1354541502 86112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354541516 768741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354542201 182425 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: seppo works in the same tiny building as me < 1354542206 281382 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never talked to him < 1354542225 802864 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :waaaait < 1354542228 566633 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :different seppo :D < 1354542264 511485 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1354542266 319566 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :same seppo < 1354542433 667182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: go go go < 1354542442 344838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to get to the ICT building!!! < 1354542443 782344 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354542462 913300 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :blorgh < 1354542468 47325 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe next time < 1354542531 428860 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's the topic? < 1354542540 97527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wtf < 1354542548 75790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you are depriving fizzie of a once-in-a-lifetime experience to meet oklopol!! < 1354542556 262776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also: the first #esoteric meeting ever < 1354542564 655568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354542623 235916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This Seppo is talking about "Optimization Algorithms for Large-Scale and Robust Dimensionality Reduction" soon. < 1354542654 381708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's going to involve numbers. < 1354542692 573738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: RUN < 1354542710 928664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :RUN AWAY < 1354542778 705211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354543206 220702 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354543311 784277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you have to convince oklopol to travel a short distance to see fizzie, right now < 1354543455 610280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fizzie to not run away and hide from the impending oklopol. < 1354543547 810721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: in fact < 1354543557 775278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: i'll pay you 30 pounds gbp to go do it < 1354543635 183999 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354543637 746050 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1354543668 834885 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i have works to do :( < 1354544121 316822 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott seems to be passionate about this < 1354544184 661996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354544250 117952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcatan: it is of great theological importance < 1354544391 406238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354545069 39448 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354545128 212886 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354545151 854610 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354545315 125223 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354545854 551072 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354546016 981462 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354546153 771420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354546387 966003 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354546559 454741 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354546595 462950 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354546852 450265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354547404 296226 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354547406 833472 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Client Quit < 1354547444 327591 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354547786 801721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354547956 965265 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354548082 335080 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354548182 800635 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354548914 586082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354549153 870268 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354549355 246032 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354549600 166728 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's quiet here < 1354549737 376288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gu < 1354549739 656337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354549831 443073 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354549836 256465 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354549844 929477 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember oracle versus google? < 1354549863 52008 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, umm, may have paraphrased the spec for rangeCheck and set it as an exercise for a bunch of first years < 1354549954 787910 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :around half of them got it exactly on spec, which is less than I expected < 1354550319 426410 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1354550550 346950 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354550804 433399 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354551633 259265 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354552017 390128 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i didn't meet FireFly < 1354552018 802783 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1354552021 84220 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: < 1354552023 635703 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1354552026 938049 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie < 1354552036 128803 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i met seppo on his way back from the thingie < 1354552100 298745 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh seppo. And the thingie. Ha ha ha, I'm participating. < 1354552504 912925 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what thingie? < 1354552976 112251 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suggested type for an esolang: int™ < 1354553447 49064 :Arc_Koen_!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354553456 965897 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354553457 38689 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354553459 295928 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-vuojncesvqtsrpww QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354553461 314956 :Arc_Koen_!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net NICK :Arc_Koen < 1354553624 946774 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354553719 313287 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1354553784 201791 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz NICK :Frooxius < 1354553831 811434 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354553846 633968 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ndgcbqyqfcdfinps JOIN :#esoteric < 1354553935 525627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: It's all right, I kind of had to go eat with the Hatutus folks. < 1354553955 126679 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's hatututs < 1354553957 574897 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatutus < 1354553958 381175 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354553958 539136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though now my 19:06 train has been delayed to 19:24. < 1354553970 264143 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern recognition research society. < 1354553983 180117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahmontunnistustutkimuksen seura. < 1354554004 93900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was our twice-a-year meeting/seminar that I was here for. < 1354554100 274608 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354554119 565922 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats up < 1354554136 231189 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1354554139 366047 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I recognise you? < 1354554146 101005 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sir < 1354554152 757609 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome truckngear06 < 1354554156 44673 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :truckngear06: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354554156 997453 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1354554158 537520 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can u see my ip ? < 1354554162 847461 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, HackEgo was fast that time < 1354554174 184877 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, 24.231.195.104, or possibly 104.195.231.24 < 1354554182 219497 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wondering < 1354554223 742705 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :connecting anywhere on the internet sends your IP to the site you connect to < 1354554266 888773 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1354554314 570601 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who plays black ops 2 < 1354554319 113117 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xbox 360 < 1354554390 577200 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: do you know seppo? < 1354554422 11768 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: No, I just listened to his talk. < 1354554434 654076 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya gonna play some black ops < 1354554435 212882 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it awesome < 1354554464 688635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523_: Hey, your computer may be broadcasting an IP address. < 1354554556 955477 :truckngear06!~Jeremy@24-231-195-104.dhcp.bycy.mi.charter.com PART :#esoteric < 1354554658 14146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: I... suppose? It was about doing this one thing faster than other people do that thing. He claimed he's the only one from "his people" dabbling with anything pattern-recognition related. < 1354554678 491576 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that thing < 1354554678 960550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he the last of his people < 1354554707 577203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are his people fools with no vision of the future < 1354554752 832133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: It was the optimization problem related to this maximum-variance based dimensionality reduction method that works well if there's an underlying low-dimensional description for the points of the high-dimensional dataset. < 1354554787 439343 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also there was a thing about doing it well even if the data is a bit noisy and not strictly on the low-dimensional thing. < 1354554795 986335 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1354554829 134336 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Based on projecting it onto a thing formed by ridges of the density function of the data set. < 1354554854 475784 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that channel join was weird < 1354554868 463045 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get people like that in #nethack sometimes, mislead by the name < 1354554870 865899 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but #esoteric? < 1354554896 352032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, battery low. < 1354554906 910025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was electricity just a moment ago. < 1354554923 588151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect this phone is "acting up" occasionally. < 1354554944 785190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, I'll just wait until the train gets here. -> < 1354554953 155092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now it's 19:34. < 1354555065 106550 :ais523_!93bcc348@gateway/web/freenode/ip.147.188.195.72 QUIT : < 1354555576 201146 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354555752 612230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah #hackage got some of those too :) < 1354555887 290309 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354555904 500360 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354555904 575123 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354555904 575182 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354555904 662800 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354555916 606256 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1354555970 983147 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354556078 581672 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354556651 297523 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354556667 798425 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354556667 872249 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354556704 319422 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354556833 244853 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354557215 593405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. Left 19:49, 43 minutes late. Is this the famed Finnish punctuality? (Okay, there is no such thing.) < 1354557238 694264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354557258 319353 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354557594 961417 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354557861 284804 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1354558133 363807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354558287 671001 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: So if you have a set of 4D points < 1354558311 710711 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the fourth coordinate is just random quantised noise between -0.5 and 0.5 < 1354558316 209090 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it going to work well? < 1354558323 358640 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354558535 376845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1354558542 967689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Don't ask me, ask Seppo. Maybe it will. That kind of thing *is* one of the common types of toy data; many methods do suppress that sort of thing pretty well. < 1354558916 407096 :david_werecat!~david_wer@24.52.224.101 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354559115 470132 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1354559438 555395 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354559458 2472 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354559458 75841 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354559633 305085 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354559963 431164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you meet oklofok? < 1354560038 580490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I did not. < 1354560058 38483 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a loss for the advancement of the human race &c. < 1354560108 976422 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1354560122 144888 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a day of mourning for all of oklokind < 1354560306 86978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is not a national day of mourning in Helsinki, Finland's capital -- these are Finns in their natural state: brooding, private, grimly in touch with no-one but themselves." < 1354560325 919832 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1354560344 95100 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht sound about right < 1354560403 74362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So started a "60 minutes" (US TV show) segment about tango's popularity in Finland. < 1354560413 835185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was apparently considered quite rude. < 1354560426 975327 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1354560439 37078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The visuals were random clips from Helsinki streets. < 1354560463 978260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly the adjectives described them quite well. < 1354560563 83520 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tango is rude? < 1354560579 342403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No the show was rude. < 1354560587 875529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not sure if early morning commuters (especially in bad weather) tend to look all that happy anywhere. < 1354560595 86439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least manywhere. < 1354560603 412356 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :manywhere, nice word < 1354560632 336344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like "anywhere" except not meaning quite all the places, just many of them. < 1354560709 838532 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all finns like the antisocial stereotype? < 1354560712 375651 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354560726 537656 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354560731 221888 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't we have like the best one there is < 1354560737 170795 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think 'anywhere' sometimes means something more like 'somewhere' ... feels a bit like universal/existential quantification < 1354560767 516063 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there should also be a 'fewwhere' < 1354560815 984362 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: As I understood it, the show was just considered taking the thing too far. But I'unno. < 1354560840 93804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THigh quality global journalism requires investment. Please share this article with others using the link below, do not cut & paste the article. See our Ts&Cs and Copyright Policy for more detail. Email ftsales.support@ft.com to buy additional rights. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/2e33f00e-a36e-11e1-ab98-00144feabdc0.html#ixzz2E15YAoQo < 1354560846 232659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. < 1354560857 57650 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :thigh quality! < 1354560862 233219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You stupid piece of stupidest stupidity. < 1354560878 396486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't highlighted the initial "T" so I typed it myself. < 1354560888 197891 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it, it's not even racist because most finns are white < 1354560980 971544 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do i need to register < 1354560991 686633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, feel free to peruse the link, if you want to visit a page which programmatically ejaculates stupidity all over a copy-paste. < 1354561034 352983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't need to. < 1354561049 789749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there is a "8 free articles per month" thing. < 1354561068 145781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So be careful about wasting one of your valuable free articles for *that*. < 1354561096 503689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The report goes on to say that the prescriptive tango dance sessions, with their set times when men can ask women to dance or the other way around, are perfect for shy Finns and that the lessons and dances give them a “licence to touch” one another." < 1354561108 527033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go, that's what I wanted to paste. < 1354561133 363370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I pasted it ALL OVER. All over the Internet. It's probably in dozens of places now. < 1354561145 637844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you like that, FT? < 1354561229 194649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This train, it is exactly an hour late. < 1354561284 362754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The next TurkufHelsinki train was supposed to leave an hour after this one, I wonder if it's right behind there. < 1354561294 228452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TurkufHelsinki. Yes. < 1354561391 349358 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1354561427 67046 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 8 whole articles? that's huge < 1354562001 384649 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354562088 313260 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1354562124 45749 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1354562128 476113 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354562138 439860 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :No more topic :( < 1354562151 505361 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi TOPIC #esoteric :< AnotherTest> No more topic :( < 1354562159 56030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's just invisible. < 1354562166 164676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, now it's not. < 1354562177 904054 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! I'm in the topic. < 1354562187 454050 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there is no link to the logs now! < 1354562257 201432 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :< AnotherTest> No more topic :( | No more logs :( < 1354562294 348892 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi TOPIC #esoteric :< AnotherTest> No more topic :( | No more logs :( | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354562307 946624 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354562315 538326 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se TOPIC #esoteric :No more :( < 1354562321 195913 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Logs: http://5z8.info/turkeyporn_o4u1vn_molotovcocktail < 1354562344 944695 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1354562430 768176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gobble gobble < 1354562433 271312 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you get so legit url? < 1354562440 565377 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shadyurl.com < 1354562457 607381 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1354562596 883828 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... two people in the cubes next to me are arguing about using oil vs butter in brownies X_X < 1354562647 447406 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if brownies is similar to what I think it is similar to, oil doesn't work < 1354562737 476598 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about oil v. butten in ponies? < 1354562741 681883 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Butten. < 1354562746 969171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Butten butten. < 1354562753 690108 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You sick, sick fuck. < 1354562761 391732 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :derfinertly butten < 1354562773 620982 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CLICK THE PONY BUTTON < 1354564547 276709 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1354564547 666560 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-30.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354564608 945929 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354564942 541657 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354565093 358232 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1354565590 81587 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354565608 527756 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354565608 601095 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354565632 190144 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354565778 25745 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354566042 288632 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354566666 15790 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.50.170 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354566701 820530 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-30.elisa.ee PART #esoteric :"Left" < 1354566846 971353 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354567089 910060 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354567580 584432 :david_werecat!~david_wer@205.211.50.170 QUIT :Quit: Quitting... < 1354568047 409775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : sleep is that time of the day when people don't pay attention as I break into their kitchens looking steal'em cookies <-- i suggest not trying that with me. < 1354568157 409358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklopol: you are depriving fizzie of a once-in-a-lifetime experience to meet oklopol!! <-- has anyone on this channel ever successfully met oklopol? < 1354568197 296461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think oklofok has. < 1354568214 936235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fellow clones don't count, fizzie < 1354568253 201629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : and also: the first #esoteric meeting ever <-- oh. < 1354568260 914036 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should all go visit oklopol at the same time some time < 1354568271 511152 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION om nom ? :( < 1354568281 983796 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... and get murdered by his 15 clones < 1354568332 876315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: (1) i don't sleep at sane times (2) i have no cookies afaik. (although there is milk chocolate.) < 1354568349 116603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've technically met some #esoteric people; mooz, ineiros, and sort of unidirectionally Deewiant in that he's seen me several times but I still don't know what he looks like. < 1354568354 573443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1)(*) except by accident < 1354568387 677716 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you count "technically", maybe you'd have to count IRC and that's boring < 1354568460 90109 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first two are "technically" in the "#esoteric people" aspect (mooz hasn't been here in a long time, ineiros is mute) while the last is "technically" in the "meet" aspect. < 1354568516 442150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i must have met [[User:Rune]] from the wiki at some time, although this was surely before #esoteric existed. < 1354568521 136702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you met any of the people here? < 1354568521 885162 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: later tell sjamaan also, the convention of returning the offset. i normally do that, though < 1354568534 878910 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've met some of the guys here before joining this channel. hmm. < 1354568542 542541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think shachaf and kmc have met. < 1354568547 637412 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354568563 455125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least it's the sort of "vibe" I've gotten from there. < 1354568571 329255 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354568573 389658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wink, wink. < 1354568624 398054 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, shachaf and kmc have a vibe? good for them! < 1354568626 187440 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unidirectionally meeting people" is a great term < 1354568668 430031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it doesn't really count as a "#esoteric meet" unless the meeting happens first on-channel and only later in real life, possibly even with a causal relationship to the on-channel meeting. < 1354568706 64759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: my chances are truly slim, then. < 1354568724 965090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since there's a connotation of the channel having brought the people involved together. < 1354568813 971285 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what if they first met irl but it didn't work out and then they met again on the channel and realized how much they shared < 1354568843 884948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very romantic! < 1354568872 231232 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've met arcatan. < 1354568910 488625 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we've met < 1354568933 27818 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also met Lumpio- and nortti, and unidirectionally met at least atehwa < 1354568943 188452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you sure you're not thinking of HackEgo? < 1354568944 393763 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1354568952 738648 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354568970 341222 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :8) < 1354568993 853429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : arcatan: it is of great theological importance <-- it would provide nearly incontrovertible proof that the people on #esoteric are not just figments of imagination! < 1354569012 567899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is arcatan some kind of a Finn too? I mean, that's a very suspicious list. < 1354569029 846436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, I've met at least four people in this channel. < 1354569031 965664 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the programming kind < 1354569033 271030 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: /whois corroborates that < 1354569047 692852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not including myself and lambdabot. < 1354569047 843019 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finland < 1354569059 741244 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1354569120 620774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :/whois corun show up a not-very-finnish looking whowas < 1354569123 153687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*s < 1354569153 129514 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't have to be finnish to drive the bus < 1354569155 147537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, no one said that sentence has anything to do with the preceding two. Corun drives the bus. < 1354569167 137803 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which bus < 1354569181 286054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: AAAA < 1354569184 331384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: the bus that Corun drives < 1354569186 880131 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The usual interpretation of that would be the Corun drives the bus of Finland (yes, *the* bus) < 1354569190 169454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was assuming the finnish bus. < 1354569193 8564 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need multiple buses for a country with only two people < 1354569204 893084 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly question......................... < 1354569213 207875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when 9 of them are on IRC and don't need bussing around in the first place < 1354569323 278921 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354569346 154239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: to get from one end of the country to the other?? < 1354569357 874318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: use logic next time ok < 1354569432 229664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oklofok: I... suppose? It was about doing this one thing faster than other people do that thing. He claimed he's the only one from "his people" dabbling with anything pattern-recognition related. < 1354569450 530092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get this vibe fizzie is becoming more similar to fungot, in that dog/owner sense < 1354569451 316564 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: richard stallman, fnord, desolation, and fnord is on the eso forum to demonstrate. < 1354569453 431586 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern recognition < 1354569473 158444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :less fnords, i guess < 1354569477 221796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fewer < 1354569552 746405 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern recognition < 1354569561 518354 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's tartan < 1354569586 168156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's plaid to see < 1354569602 674266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not like fungot! The whole idea is ludicrous. That sword alone can't stop. < 1354569603 387627 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ccnum.scm released. http://www.neilvandyke.org/ weblog/". tell me if astyle works on fnord < 1354569638 988528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i cannot `addquote a conversation including me, can i? < 1354569643 84117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*may not < 1354569668 749045 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing's stopping you, but if you do, you'll be killed and fed to starving children. < 1354569675 5329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1354569676 817899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1354569681 950252 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all said and done it's a good deed. < 1354569684 641592 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354569719 762308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very tempting, then < 1354569745 709225 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Logs: http://5z8.info/turkeyporn_o4u1vn_molotovcocktail#gobblegobble < 1354569763 649077 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:07 < oerjan> very romantic! < 1354569764 432107 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:21 < oerjan> very tempting, then < 1354569766 279551 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes shachaf and i have met irl < 1354569769 336289 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see a pattern here < 1354569776 37868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once at boston python and once at the stripe ctf meetup in sf < 1354569779 377640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe another time < 1354569787 711293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are more awkward in person < 1354569789 368113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: is it plaid? < 1354569796 257254 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :very plaid! < 1354569815 162747 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, does anyone know about a programming language based on minimization? like the µ operator for µ-recursive functions < 1354569837 692834 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1354569842 52423 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :well plaid, oerjan < 1354570053 138135 :Sgeo|MOG11111!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354570221 724816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hmm, I think 'anywhere' sometimes means something more like 'somewhere' ... feels a bit like universal/existential quantification <-- maybe, but recall that scandinavian languages don't have distinct words for english "some" and "any" < 1354570286 909663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where any < 1354570287 105965 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about any. < 1354570291 451809 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google trebla any all some < 1354570293 117944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.vex.net/~trebla/weblog/any-all-some.html < 1354570293 191300 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Any, For All, Exists < 1354570772 530971 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-69-115.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354570921 871663 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to your old atriq < 1354570930 87131 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-69-115.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different computer < 1354570935 860225 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-69-115.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different settings < 1354570949 864452 :atriq!~nathan@host-84-13-69-115.opaltelecom.net NICK :Ngevd < 1354570951 550911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you order a klein bottle shipped via USPS/UPS/DHL/whatever, will the tracking page say "volume: 0"? < 1354570965 574252 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-69-115.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if it's not in a box < 1354570965 730669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354570966 560900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you order helium balloons does it have a negative weight < 1354570979 707941 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think usps usually ships through the fourth dimension < 1354570998 871973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan_ < 1354571001 84112 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1354571002 490287 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if they measure mass or weight. I mean, the do state it in grams. < 1354571002 899996 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-69-115.opaltelecom.net NICK :Taneb < 1354571008 19288 :oerjan_!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no NICK :oerjan < 1354571068 781399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By way of context, according to the post office parcel tracking system, what they're delivering to me has a mass of 0.00 kg and a volume of 0 m^3, but I didn't order a massless klein bottle.) < 1354571091 483521 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 Taneb < 1354571091 705805 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gnaro < 1354571107 90757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 FireFly < 1354571107 493690 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SverSyl < 1354571112 327237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot14 Gnarly. < 1354571117 946372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 Gnarly. < 1354571118 292316 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneyl. < 1354571123 142512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION  < 1354571137 783976 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION  < 1354571143 442020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm sorry, only dour puns allowed today < 1354571154 397342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 ion oerjan monqy < 1354571154 800220 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :vba brewna zbadl < 1354571173 107855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like an incantation. < 1354571181 844090 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354571190 521248 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ia, ia, vba brewna zbadl! < 1354571211 379573 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354571389 40644 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354571548 405960 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354571577 398436 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1354571622 472107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 shub niggurat < 1354571622 830290 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuho avttheng < 1354571637 171006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 shub niggurath < 1354571637 595729 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuho avtthengu < 1354571645 843562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 fizzie fungot < 1354571646 236907 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :svmmvr shatbg < 1354571658 652711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 olsner oklofok oklopol < 1354571659 121864 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :byfare bxybsbx bxybcby < 1354571660 889364 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-69-115.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Summer shitbag? < 1354571790 48829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you hear that? < 1354571790 711865 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: still had the older version) somewhere else. what unclear in that? :) < 1354571805 368370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354571822 135047 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354571824 417171 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354571867 767068 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354571878 582138 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354571931 998092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 ehird < 1354571932 388652 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruveq < 1354571992 988078 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354572013 464005 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :byfare < 1354572346 975384 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354572861 734100 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354572933 346334 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354573149 462039 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-69-115.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354573444 978615 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 shachaf < 1354573445 301147 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :funpuns < 1354573457 20118 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: nånstans, varsomhelst, överallt? < 1354573469 788953 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as systematic as X-where, but whatever < 1354573509 297776 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354573663 456283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354573674 288914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: anywhere can also be translated as nånstans in some uses < 1354573814 14030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I was referring to < 1354573828 927292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Would that Hotspot trick help for something like GHC's GC, where it does a comparison and conditional jump on every allocation? < 1354573837 269411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some = nån, any = nån or vilkensomhelst, depending on meaning (modulo actual swedish spelling) < 1354573843 89064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the overhead of a page fault is too high for how often it needs to GC. < 1354573848 846657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe < 1354573863 488949 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354573872 399845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might use it for cheap checkpoints in allocation-free loops < 1354573878 22241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: ONLY DOUR PUNS, I SAID < 1354573878 570378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ezyang has a different clever solution < 1354573881 65806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i think is implemented < 1354573908 746327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that solution? < 1354573911 855444 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is dour < 1354573951 49130 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: säg ett datum, vilket som helst (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QXL-o8DQM4) < 1354573961 778359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: almost the opposite of fun < 1354573962 193007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you compile your loops with whatever check, and then you copy that page of code and make another page which is exactly the same except that the checks are replaced by NOPs < 1354573980 146979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: um "datum" isn't a common norwegian word, please clarify < 1354573980 460154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan has a dour odour. < 1354573981 985650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then when another thread wants to make your thread stop at a checkpoint, it masks the appropriate bit in the instruction pointer < 1354574027 431163 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: date < 1354574039 343709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 december *ducks* < 1354574045 662527 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. calendar date, not the fruit or the activity < 1354574072 699028 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fruit is spelt date? < 1354574081 581488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1354574088 958124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354574120 90987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A date with a date. < 1354574150 530643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SO MANY MEANINGS!) < 1354574186 98950 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a date had a date with a date, but the date forgot the date < 1354574217 460140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the future refused to change. < 1354574917 691557 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so here's a language: < 1354574927 98565 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :each program is a pair (n, p) < 1354574945 862115 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where n is a natural number < 1354575012 215752 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and p a program in befunge-93, except with unbounded playfield (instructions p and g have access to an infinite grid) < 1354575078 567957 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well numbers on the befunge stack are bounded so let's say that it's an infinity of bound * bound squares, and p and g can only affect cells in the square the ip currently is in, or something < 1354575096 721113 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so running the program (n, p) is similar to running p as befunge < 1354575115 901890 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that every instruction goes along with an accumulator < 1354575134 348804 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if ever one instruction's accumulator goes higher than n execution halts < 1354575152 109373 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prove tc (you have two hours) < 1354575229 552821 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :may the nonzero subset of the field be unbounded? May it be aperiodic? < 1354575236 7286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um is the accumulator tied to the spot in the playfield? < 1354575287 205667 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if aperiodic, it's quite trivial < 1354575311 874533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you need that. finite initial setup should be sufficient. < 1354575349 727249 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I understand your questions < 1354575361 406953 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea is playfield is infinite and each cell has an accumulator < 1354575370 352906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, each cell. < 1354575383 744240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is the initial program infinite? < 1354575387 954317 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1354575397 327331 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get p and g < 1354575428 265590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think you can do a turing machine that copies itself in some direction each step < 1354575434 198774 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the idea < 1354575437 638675 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if n = 1 < 1354575448 676847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need a big n, obviously < 1354575454 99294 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if n = 1 then creating a new instruction costs you an instruction < 1354575469 416815 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, n isn't provided < 1354575469 815353 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1354575485 601765 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, this seems doable < 1354575524 134481 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: is there some constant N such that the subset of pairs (N, p) is also turing-complete? < 1354575540 203132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i think so < 1354575548 925196 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would force you to write quining befunge programs :) < 1354575561 755560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you have to do that anyhow < 1354575612 217935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps a cellular automaton is more intuitive than a TM here < 1354575646 433132 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("that" was the whole thing, not the bound on n < 1354575648 835749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a 1d one) < 1354575666 22527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which "that"? < 1354575680 249048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1354575704 606659 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd just use i < 1354575735 210642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i would then represent each CA cell as a subsquare of the befunge program that takes care of copying itself to the next level and calculating the right CA value to put there < 1354575985 336119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you write anything into an empty square, though? < 1354575999 399982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that what p does? < 1354576002 414012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The p doing the writing would have to be in that square. < 1354576006 966278 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not cell, square. < 1354576052 20924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not _that_ big squares, smaller than the relative wrapping < 1354576057 670525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an infinity of bound * bound squares, and p -- can only affect cells in the square the ip currently is in" kind of square. < 1354576091 512362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but the squares to represent cells don't have to be anywhere near as large as bound * bound, if bound is something like 2^23 < 1354576114 929328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but wouldn't you eventually have to get out of the wrapping-square? < 1354576127 17621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the cells in it wear out and all. < 1354576127 919111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i was assuming the bound*bound squares were centered on the current ip < 1354576150 362289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not what it sounds like, but I guess it could be. < 1354576152 918358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that they overlap. < 1354576163 83056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise there could be a problem yeah < 1354576214 149642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess what Arc_Koen actually said doesn't imply overlapping < 1354576228 10435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It *sounds* like there's a fixed grid of squares, but that might be just me. < 1354576231 103098 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1354576285 339464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know befunge well enough to know whether there is an instruction that could get around that < 1354576320 426143 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike`afk < 1354576339 314322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could save data on the stack instead of moving across the boundary directly, but you would still need some way to get a minimal program into a non-used square < 1354576372 363633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to do the copying from the stack to a nearly empty square < 1354576450 2785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354576457 332776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Befunge-93 seems to have nothing other than p < 1354576461 333137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 93 has anything that can write to playfield except p. < 1354576479 526402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :98 also has s which might work though would be quite awkward to use. < 1354576519 682965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It writes a character to pos+delta, but I can't recall if it the skips that character or not. < 1354576541 903303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it'd wrap so maybe it's not a problem even if it skips it. < 1354576553 685732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: so i think we are going to need the p restricting squares to be overlapping for this to work < 1354576557 70088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Moot point, of course, since it wasn't 98. < 1354577303 137554 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354577328 305266 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354577345 67635 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354577345 140576 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354577357 561942 :Bike`afk!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1354577395 292744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354577480 120093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now my own concept, another way to group pokemons, where each pokemon also belongs to a "prefix group". A prefix group is identified by zero, one, or two letters. All official pokemons belong to the Nintendo prefix group, identified by no letters. There is a partial order on prefix groups, with Nintendo being initial. < 1354577522 624189 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this? < 1354577525 116996 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354577616 847314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is designed to be usable with battle simulators supporting custom pokemon species. < 1354577707 140243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why zero, one, or two? < 1354577719 233715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because 3 would just be madness < 1354577738 218314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 26^2 + 26^2 < 1354577739 701660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1352 < 1354577741 843501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that the ID could fit in a six character field. It could be extended to three letters if necessary. < 1354577749 254978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 26^2 + 26^1 + 26^0 < 1354577750 688789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 703 < 1354577778 564960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :703 is hardly better than 1. < 1354577795 724371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly even four or five if the number of species per those groups is very small. < 1354577818 232382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"zzo" would make a good prefix group. < 1354577829 931137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does your nick come from, anyway? < 1354577848 855986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know for sure. < 1354578024 721855 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354578091 971834 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1354578120 575645 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354578200 887623 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the best way to represent the partial ordering in the computer? < 1354578272 244838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long English document? < 1354578323 803117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to do something in a ASCII text file which is both readable by people and processable by computer. < 1354578344 355040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in a packed form that does not necessarily require every one. < 1354578364 907560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As well as being easy to correct. < 1354578459 944013 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1354578651 767588 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354578977 844327 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354579021 295531 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354579021 369013 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354579021 369180 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354579201 288418 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh, right. otherwise a square that was initially empty can never be written to from out, but if the ip enters a square that's empty it will exit without performing any writing... < 1354579368 9062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well partial orders over a finite set are basically trees < 1354579382 400621 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354579446 963201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no they are not. < 1354579455 482325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1354579465 421806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : . < 1354579469 540143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : / \ < 1354579475 335822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : / \ < 1354579478 102187 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1354579479 63527 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1354579480 398507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :.------. < 1354579482 2949 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok < 1354579493 782316 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dags, then < 1354579511 568766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn miscounted < 1354579530 398644 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's almost like trees < 1354579533 318155 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's oriented < 1354579550 90649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : . < 1354579552 64727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : / \ < 1354579553 721127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ \ < 1354579564 636161 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all we do talk about "genealogy trees" even though they're not trees either < 1354579583 671839 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not? < 1354579611 540079 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I can be the descendant of two people which are cousins < 1354579615 172740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gently teaches Bike about incest < 1354579644 799945 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't even realized there was something wrong with that < 1354579645 893237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes he may have been unusually creepy today < 1354579653 556805 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're directed acyclic graphs, right...? < 1354579667 525473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: barring time travel hth < 1354579673 775172 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gently teaches oerjan that we're ALL cousins. < 1354579684 531272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1354579693 647706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I thought we were all brothers and sisters. < 1354579700 991593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinky < 1354579706 272415 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eew < 1354579710 843920 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true... the homestuck family geneology consists entirely of cycles < 1354579720 254650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you read that one story by Heinlein? < 1354579723 908324 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i was confusing dags with possibly cyclic graphs, durr. < 1354579726 49207 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way you can be the child of two people who are not cousins (and it's just a matter of terminology) is if they're siblings, uncles/aunts/nieces/nephews, or direct linear descendents/ancestors. < 1354579730 534987 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read of it, that's just as good < 1354579747 520051 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: he wrote a few about time travel fuckery? you probably mean all you zombies though < 1354579753 540507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1354579761 768154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the topic of family graphs. < 1354579766 543076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only one with actual time travel fuckery < 1354579766 857149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Family monoids? < 1354579778 212821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :family rings < 1354579778 447890 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google the man who folded himself < 1354579779 791797 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Man_Who_Folded_Himself < 1354579779 870313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: The Man Who Folded Himself - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1354579781 236771 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also notable < 1354579798 886802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only heinlein wasn't a complete arsehole < 1354579807 797458 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm pretty sure back to the future is about marty having sex with his mother < 1354579812 404894 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then we could read his stories about spacetime incest in peace. < 1354579819 854329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was that other time travel thing he wrote? < 1354579841 282223 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, white folk (probably most of you), did you know that you're part neanderthal? It's true! < 1354579864 698092 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of... i forget the title, time enough for love maybe? i think he has sex with his mother, and also twin clones of himself or something < 1354579877 40764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By His Bootstraps is the on I was thinking of there. < 1354579877 994968 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any racial group that isn't part neanderthal? < 1354579879 799773 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all at the same time? < 1354579884 665591 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: African. < 1354579889 851717 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh < 1354579890 664620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also The Door Into Summer. That was a good one. < 1354579905 620877 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :homo sapiens purity. purge the nonafricans < 1354579937 888116 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I, for one, find it fascinating, so nyaa. < 1354579947 622901 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: so maybe you can have each line be an ordered list of prefixes < 1354579955 948110 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-6.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354579969 236285 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and some "debugger" would tell you if there are redundancies < 1354580007 114480 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: OK. I can try that. < 1354580010 548608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, um < 1354580024 476378 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm not sure whether redundancy is good or bad < 1354580035 46566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the point at which the human ancestor pool merges at most a few millenia ago < 1354580096 754463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you read _The Door Into Summer_? < 1354580104 404713 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: additionally the 'debugger' could also warn you of "nodes" which are not at the beginning of a line < 1354580132 122280 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: It's closer to 200,000 years. < 1354580134 765614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everyone has *some* Neanderthal ancestors, Africans just don't have many. < 1354580136 830624 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, not sure what I meant < 1354580142 520137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, uhhhh, not what I'd heard. < 1354580206 505309 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y-chromosomal_Adam // one ancestor is as recent as 60,000 years, but no more. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitochondrial_Eve // the other, ~200,000 years. < 1354580222 784858 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what they said in stargate < 1354580233 384482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, those are *direct male and female lines*. < 1354580241 842482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adam and Eve were born 140,000 years apart? < 1354580265 277076 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think in some episode they find a frozen human body that's a hundred million years or so old < 1354580280 218045 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The last real merge of humanity into a single pool was before the latest exodus from Africa (duh), and our intermingling with neanderthals just after it. < 1354580281 761687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Please use https: Wikipedia links. < 1354580283 90048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thanks" < 1354580287 791152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 Gregor < 1354580288 113211 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tertbe < 1354580295 513363 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, doesn't have to be a single pool. < 1354580299 935766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 Gregory < 1354580300 327357 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tertbel < 1354580311 911605 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One migrant can very quickly propagate their ancestry through an isolated population. < 1354580331 706741 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah that's gotta count as statutory rape or something < 1354580370 209779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I suppose "born" isn't quite the right word to use there. < 1354580394 454798 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought the last common ancestor thing was at the bottleneck after that explosion in east asia. < 1354580402 624385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Adam and Eve were born 140,000 years apart? <-- basically males tend to spread their genes faster than females, so the direct male lines also die out faster < 1354580405 378081 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The study they did found /no/ neanderthal genomes in modern Africans. < 1354580406 246555 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu < 1354580413 620258 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_recent_common_ancestor#MRCA_of_all_living_humans ? < 1354580423 778469 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the group they studied) < 1354580439 111419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk did that skew binary online LCA thing. < 1354580472 85680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The identical ancestors point for Homo sapiens has been estimated to between 15,000 and 5,000 years ago." < 1354580480 96671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: Please use https: Wikipedia links. <-- please don't < 1354580499 404829 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sure i can edit them by hand...) < 1354580501 732522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neanderthals died out around twice as far back. < 1354580530 751747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What's the matter with https:? < 1354580531 472239 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you mean males can use the 9-month pause in the spreading somewhere to start spreading elsewhere? < 1354580559 466896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: SOMETHING LIKE THAT < 1354580613 94130 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: That statistic is contrary to everything else I have ever read, including in relevant college courses >_> < 1354580661 35628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh hm when i tested now it worked fine, i'm still logged in and everything. < 1354580672 721417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https: works great. < 1354580689 187572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354580691 484297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet oerjan is just the NSA trying to spy on my Wikipedia readin's. < 1354580697 115345 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354580840 616484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: could be true though, that ancestor can be through mixed male and female lines after all, so not as restricted as "adam" and "eve" < 1354580883 431458 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354580917 896281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because of this, you cannot simply measure it by comparing dna like with the single-line inherited parts < 1354580977 80038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, "It is incorrect to assume that the MRCA passed all of his or her genes (or indeed any gene) down to every person alive." < 1354581011 282142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could have a common ancestor that left no genes at all... < 1354581076 743843 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Ship of Theseus mention < 1354581094 767086 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-6.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354581139 748437 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: of course at that point you're feeling the urge to do the math < 1354581141 950177 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-6.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354581154 735953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh identical ancestors point is something else again < 1354581221 928451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i think we discussed that very concept on the channel a while ago < 1354581231 503026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without the name) < 1354581303 451070 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, it looks like all the stuff suggesting 15,000-5,000 years is based on computer models of human populations. < 1354581333 809426 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't even bother to build a time machine to conduct the experiment? < 1354581335 731397 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas the recent (2010) study finding neanderthal genes was, y'know, not models. It was people, and their genes. < 1354581359 595933 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but you haven't actually addressed the point about common ancestors not necessarily implying common genes. < 1354581380 584458 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, if there's sufficiently little flow then they can end up sort of flushing the last bits out anyway. < 1354581387 809174 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And still having neanderthals in their line. < 1354581461 438484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...so what're we disagreeing on? < 1354581467 803050 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose we're not :) < 1354581479 776394 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just preferred the original interpretation to the possibly-more-accurate one ;) < 1354581608 1130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the accurate version is "you're descended from Neanderthals, but if you're African you might as well not be". < 1354581626 153168 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1354581964 106277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: What did you mean, note not at the beginning of a line? < 1354582003 345349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does the Haskell read function not allow comments? < 1354582050 995597 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmmm well imagine if you have a line "2 4 12 24 48" and another line "3 6 12 36" < 1354582059 226649 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the two lines "cross" at 12 < 1354582068 776447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1354582095 608043 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that's a problem; maybe crossing prefixes should be hilighted or something < 1354582145 417197 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that makes 36 bigger than 2 < 1354582196 621783 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when you're for instance looking for "all prefixes bigger than 2" you might want not to scan all the lines, only the lines for which the first element is bigger than 2 < 1354582220 119714 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry I did not mean "cross" I meant "merge" < 1354582222 296214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think what you want to avoid for redundancy is anything that can be deduced from transitivity. i.e. don't list adjacently any prefixes that have intermediate ones between them < 1354582240 753787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have 2 4 12, then 2 12 would not be allowed. < 1354582252 899153 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's what I meant < 1354582264 165243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and of course no adjacent pairs should be repeated < 1354582264 360019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, perhaps it should still be allowed even though it is redundant, it could still be a warning. < 1354582291 249178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is not allowed different ones equal in this context so that would be error. < 1354582294 620303 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I'm not so sure it's such a bad thing - maybe you very much want one prefix to be lower than another, notwithstanding intermediate prefixes < 1354582344 696851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: um that's an automatic consequence, since this is a partial order < 1354582348 191877 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should of course check for cycles and stuff < 1354582349 558139 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One idea I have is, every line only lists what is lesser, and some things are deduced from transitivity < 1354582380 913308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to use Haskell format, but the read function doesn't allow comments, so I won't use that. < 1354582386 160086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only need to list things that are "closest neighbors" < 1354582391 167132 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm talking about "maintainability" of the partial order description file :) < 1354582405 418674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well ok < 1354582454 568659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this file will contain more than just the partial order. < 1354582611 822969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i am also thinking you might want to have groupings. for example if you have 1 4, 1 5, 1 6, 2 4, 2 5, 2 6, 3 4, 3 5, 3 6 then it would be shorter to say that all of 1 2 and 3 are smaller than all of 4 5 and 6 if you can name groups. < 1354582681 407190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this is almost essentially the same problem as how to design a more flexible way of giving haskell operator precedences < 1354582703 853037 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh you only make pairs? < 1354582710 365484 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you could make whole lines < 1354582721 733568 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie compress 1 2, 2 3, 3 4 as 1 2 3 4 < 1354582723 892284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I really think the operator precedences ought to be surreal numbers. < 1354582732 646791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: that was just in that example, which had no lines to make < 1354582789 338503 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could make 1 2 3 an equivalency class if they share the same properties < 1354582792 158559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ...but those are totally ordered, which may be unsuitable... oh well right, there are other issues with operators. < 1354582797 53455 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354582808 609440 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe you could give a scope to that class if they don't have all their properties in common < 1354582873 448923 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354582960 32535 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know exactly what the file syntax should be, although probably not Haskell because its read function does not parse comments. < 1354583015 6946 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I did think of the idea to make the partial ordering, but if you have a better idea you can specify your ideas too. < 1354583128 553517 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the ordering be used for anyway? < 1354583185 218759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it is an optional feature (programs using this file are not required to support it), but can be used to define "baby pokemon" according to the definition I used, if you want to use that definition. < 1354583673 384934 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like this: this_prefix(lesser_prefixes): "text" url < 1354583824 193632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URL can be any internet URL, telephone, postal address, or ISBN. < 1354583858 609938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps also allow Tor domains. < 1354583866 498050 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354583882 29101 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354583904 813567 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the list of lesser prefixes is empty you omit the parentheses; if you include them with nothing in between, it includes a single entry which is the empty (Nintendo) prefix. < 1354584025 349622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The URL and text is recommended to be ASCII, although Unicode is allowed (including Conscripts), however they must be encoded using ASCII format: For URL, encoding using % or punycode. For text, encoded using Haskell string literal syntax. < 1354584045 546140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i'm thinking the other way around would be more logical, with () meaning empty, since it is explicit < 1354584046 258933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comments have # at front of the line. < 1354584087 183718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, maybe... < 1354584372 956710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I am thinking () is a single blank prefix, because the entries separated by commas, and so no comma = 1 entry, which is blank. < 1354584380 399715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I did it that way. < 1354584625 708245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn avuncular < 1354584626 99952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "avuncular" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1354584626 171380 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :avuncular < 1354584626 171541 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: resembling a uncle in kindness or indulgence < 1354584626 171649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: being or relating to an uncle < 1354584754 408705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why do you think other way is really more logical? < 1354584808 561780 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, i remember that word from anthropology class. are you still looking up MRCA stuff? < 1354584933 158025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well i guess it's intuitive from what () means in haskell, like in import lists and tuples. < 1354584983 941212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes but if it is Haskell we would use square brackets because it is a list. < 1354585003 291297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess C tends to use more of () as "use defaults" sometimes < 1354585008 455436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: not in import lists < 1354585032 207702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, yes, in import lists () does mean an empty list, and nothing at all means, it is everything. < 1354585063 950714 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1354585140 372500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And even if it is Haskell, this isn't an import list anyways. < 1354585221 101104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like an inheritance list. but haskell has (A a, B a) => for that instead. < 1354585259 318612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it isn't an inheritance list either; it is only a partial ordering. < 1354585278 762253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1354585298 729173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION no good argue about not facts < 1354585310 958567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1354585318 365456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1354585327 401627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you look very avuncular today < 1354585352 607286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, for an inheritance list, omitting it does not mean it inherits everything or meaning it inherits anything which it will not inherit if you do include the list. And with import lists, no () means import everything, which is also different to mine. < 1354585371 586416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, either way, it doesn't work. < 1354585514 463510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you may see what my logic is, although other ideas are still possible, such as something before or after each item, so you explicitly know the empty item. < 1354585931 423415 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354586646 878313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The file "interlocks.h" for Csound, is I cannot find a document of it, but I look at the other codes to try to figure it out, but still I don't know what SB and _QQ mean, and some codes also use 0x20 as an interlock value and I don't know what that means either. < 1354586882 595877 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354587114 226597 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define MEMDEF(x) x; typedef struct { x object[sizeof(x)<0xFF00?1:-1]; } x##__ < 1354587365 235221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you used these kind of things in any C codes? < 1354587548 922154 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you even use that < 1354587712 535482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.csounds.com/manual/html/csound5extending.html#AddmodAddSpace < 1354587769 673708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that explain it to you? < 1354587866 565024 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good grief, was this written for the IOCCC? < 1354587873 44463 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"f-rate streaming pvoc fsig type" < 1354587880 898304 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that counts as English < 1354587929 599610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? Well, I don't think it was written for the IOCCC. < 1354587947 978907 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when an array ends up with a -1 size anyways < 1354587955 54428 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get a compiler error. < 1354587957 436075 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that just a hacky and unreadable way to causing a compiler error? < 1354587990 10575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't call it unreadable. < 1354587998 398547 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also where would you use that macro < 1354588003 279964 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "x;" at the start intrigues me < 1354588065 829357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :typedef struct { OPDS h; MYFLT*ao; MYFLT*ai; } MEMDEF(mem_avecrev); < 1354588077 827498 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it comes at the end of a typedef < 1354588144 96873 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I once made a piece of software somethign like this thing thing < 1354588165 970323 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was graphical though. < 1354588225 472210 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I never really bothered coming up with interesting blocks < 1354588240 117867 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or modules or whatever you call them < 1354588275 519803 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if browsers are fast enough to do it in JavaScript these days < 1354588290 56103 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't trust JS when it comes to raw math performance < 1354588342 180499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this is Csound; what software were you using? < 1354588458 62927 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1354588459 531170 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC? < 1354588472 384127 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making my own thing from scratch. This was years ago < 1354588516 633530 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did the program do? < 1354588528 819670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How long have you had your nick? < 1354588535 523643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it always 38, or a different number once? < 1354588556 32072 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Always 38 < 1354588565 22848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how long. < 1354588644 636477 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It made sounds < 1354588661 378812 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had basic waveform generators, ADSR, some filters, and MIDI input. < 1354588671 539197 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus a block that takes a chain and clones it for polyphony. < 1354588688 872498 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be kind of fun to make something like this with a physical interface < 1354588702 636766 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that looks like an analog modular synthesizer but is really just a simulation. < 1354588708 679275 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's probably never going to happen < 1354588727 691695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do I really? < 1354588817 633487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: just about ready to engage in some nepotism, i'd say < 1354588850 826810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hm, I was leaning toward despotism. < 1354588859 690609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those go well together < 1354590080 437095 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Csound does such things and even more, and probably could even be made to connect to a physical interface. < 1354590099 15889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a mental interface < 1354590151 356203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be possible too, I don't know < 1354590226 568093 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome seems to be seriously struggling with the new tab page < 1354590584 765591 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354591599 106187 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354591871 627756 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1354592021 57331 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohai o/ something blew up somewhere near and caused a power failure <.< < 1354592040 569794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome c00kiemon5ter < 1354592048 88394 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354592060 565855 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've had this message before < 1354592071 675750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE c00kiemon5ter < 1354592076 866341 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C00kIeMoN5TeR: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1354592100 940612 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1354592135 889715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i bet elliott still hasn't made the link work < 1354592808 288469 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354592882 344895 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354594489 730100 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1354596935 473491 :micahjohnston!~micahjohn@ell.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1354597334 311892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354597704 401224 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354597722 860565 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354597933 244382 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354598271 811395 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354598775 683413 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354600639 541373 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354600639 614619 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354600639 614744 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354600833 305838 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354601022 853778 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354602199 985211 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-6.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1354602303 661420 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354602331 350016 :sebbu!~sebbu@adijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354602331 427868 :sebbu!~sebbu@adijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354602331 500990 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354605131 95578 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lament is so positive and full of hope in the 2003 logs < 1354605167 532413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where is lament? < 1354605172 321900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, 2003 < 1354605188 195767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuck in 2003, how horrible. < 1354605207 937345 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354605216 767734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Well, lament is moving forward in time. < 1354605220 893756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But unfortunately so are we. < 1354605226 867792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll always be 9 years ahead. :-( < 1354605240 398276 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fiora < 1354605252 773186 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie hasn't changed a bit < 1354605380 734451 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : what with the topics on this channel, not a surprise (s?he|it) refused. < 1354605380 972894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm stuck in 2003 too. < 1354605437 413340 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old are you and how old is lament? < 1354605498 735151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't this old then. < 1354605515 627406 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking for a number < 1354605533 185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :29 now, I think. < 1354605599 327233 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354605633 228130 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1354605657 597010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the age of lament(ation). < 1354605689 139517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lament of their women, as Conan says. < 1354605718 306317 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : yay, ten people! < 1354605737 731096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should Proce have command to specify external input/output? < 1354605739 887103 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so weird < 1354605748 157044 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise, it doesn't do much. < 1354605805 187319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, sixty-eight people! < 1354605809 767665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still including clog! < 1354605820 520454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You count as people too! < 1354605821 18838 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: before the renaissance, western mathematics was pretty shitty on the notation side. < 1354605843 659449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's a direct quote, you lazy. < 1354605844 248943 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is used or something like that wouldn't be equally tricky if you want < 1354605856 729257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That probably isn't. Though you never know. < 1354605959 232808 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : and i made a 3D bf with the IP being a SPACESHIP (now that's REAL COOL, right?), then i made a lang called metafuck, where you can execute the memory with it's own nulled memory < 1354605961 1495 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. < 1354605972 115176 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i just sarcastic from the beginning < 1354606009 92962 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems i've calmed down quite a bit in any case < 1354606616 164917 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354607031 998937 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354608017 326110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o/ < 1354608021 683372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi? < 1354608486 756361 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT 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:carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354612454 795824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354612475 307787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: omg that takes ages :D < 1354612486 542308 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354612519 991381 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354612624 14438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: or maybe its my function :o < 1354613032 767684 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354613844 750990 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354613902 778114 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354614685 544953 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354615988 944614 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1354616582 860867 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1354625266 632160 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long time no see! < 1354625641 749473 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354625777 103915 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Quit: KEEP SPARKS. FLAME AWAY. < 1354625805 122820 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354626214 103624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME asiekierka < 1354626227 621582 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ASIEKIERKA: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOL < 1354626310 33519 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354626616 649893 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1354627072 179459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's so big. < 1354627175 884999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, this monitor developed a full-height vertical line of always-on blue pixels in the 354th column. It is visible also in the monitor startup logo splash and in different graphics modes. < 1354627223 759044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is a fault. < 1354627277 134252 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354627291 338983 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs364147.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354627311 214379 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :>354th column < 1354627313 355088 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah the accuracy < 1354627322 696891 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354627335 215393 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1354627391 777447 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354627424 89218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be the 353th or the 355th column, to be honest. < 1354627454 469408 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta be more accurate br < 1354627455 564096 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1354627458 311193 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get a magnifying glass < 1354627480 702991 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1354627614 391842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354627669 395071 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs358739.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354627841 728244 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354627874 336737 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs364147.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354628983 640744 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354628983 751590 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1354628983 751716 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1354628992 547446 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@195.206.224.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354629203 972718 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs358739.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354629317 330226 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354630413 408968 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you using a iMac? < 1354630478 179142 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a friend with an iMac who developed the same problem (though he did not tell me the number of the column). Later on the monitor developed a second column like that, except purple instead of blue. < 1354630681 446646 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's just a monitor. < 1354630689 881426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some old Fujitsu-Siemens leftover. < 1354630904 430889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hi < 1354630923 640240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not *my* monitor. I'd be more dismayed if it were.) < 1354630929 61914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well HELLO THERE. < 1354631189 299208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so elliott have you started that fortress < 1354631203 684913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie has < 1354631266 965047 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good < 1354631275 421226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie can be counted on < 1354631277 627404 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's dependable < 1354631295 952671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly, < 1354631300 417000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: help me with SSL thanks ! < 1354631328 566238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: is 107.5.152.253 you? < 1354631712 130819 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1354631755 754164 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup, that's me. < 1354631793 515536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=///&curid=1636&diff=34935&oldid=33068 hides a link to a user page which is a no-go by the wiki policies < 1354631804 801777 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1354631815 53075 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, no, that's not me. < 1354631828 110863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I wanted to know so I could ask what you wanted done :P < 1354631837 315741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be easy to make a [[Tanner Swett]] stub that linked to the user page, that would suffice < 1354631845 730767 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just changed it to "Tanner Swett ([[User:Ihope127]])". < 1354631862 756645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean 107.5.152.253 did :P < 1354631872 217822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, anyway < 1354631872 733137 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, yes. < 1354631882 881526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really fix it so that links to the /// page actually work again < 1354631945 922210 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354632957 497934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The process of constructing instruction tables should be very fascinating. There need be no real danger of it ever becoming a drudge, for any processes that are quite mechanical may be turned over to the machine itself." -- Turing < 1354633023 672121 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm hungry." -- Nathan "Taneb" van Doorn < 1354633379 829260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nice < 1354633433 555677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :via http://arcanesentiment.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/there-need-be-no-real-danger-of-it-ever.html via http://alarmingdevelopment.org/?p=711, fwiw < 1354633438 338660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are those vias the wrong way around < 1354633667 254640 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354635975 814823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blind vias and buried vias < 1354636234 80567 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the last character in a /// program si \ what happens? < 1354636325 246783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If the character is \, the character after it (if any) is printed and both characters are removed from the program." < 1354636344 662794 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, if any < 1354636876 871022 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that description is less than clear admittedly (I wrote it) < 1354637084 775493 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354637103 741105 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354638894 84561 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354639057 479784 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354639130 941304 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354640900 464531 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354642989 8662 :hey!8bbea1c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.190.161.199 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354642993 528535 :hey!8bbea1c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.190.161.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1354642997 824493 :hey!8bbea1c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.190.161.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every one < 1354643009 722858 :hey!8bbea1c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.190.161.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For programmer HELLO WORLD :) < 1354643012 643718 :hey!8bbea1c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.190.161.199 NICK :Guest89142 < 1354643040 140269 :Guest89142!8bbea1c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.190.161.199 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1354643046 553275 :Guest89142!8bbea1c7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.139.190.161.199 PART :#esoteric < 1354643204 783556 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhhh kay < 1354643219 718494 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :hey hey hey everyone for programmer HELLO WORLD! | Logs: http://5z8.info/turkeyporn_o4u1vn_molotovcocktail#gobblegobble < 1354643230 633384 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwait < 1354643233 888880 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :hey hey hey every one for programmer HELLO WORLD! | Logs: http://5z8.info/turkeyporn_o4u1vn_molotovcocktail#gobblegobble < 1354646125 911668 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354646618 118403 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354646799 812719 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that missing a hey. < 1354646803 187744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Did you make Proce esolang? I think there should be the way to specify external input/output? < 1354646810 521697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey hey every one hey for programmer HELLO WORLD. < 1354646811 483814 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, it is missing a key. < 1354646828 317679 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I opted to paraphrase. < 1354646864 406953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the log URL is missing a percentage sign. < 1354647931 488985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1354647931 604444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1354647936 905393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1354647946 849661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1354648030 510419 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a hey after HELLO WORLD! too < 1354648088 42466 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey hey, hello world hey ... has a nice ring to it somehow < 1354648102 78545 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1354648123 289971 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1354648124 466640 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can no longer visit the page "///" on the wiki for some reason < 1354648144 143491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been like this for months because I am lazy and awful < 1354648147 2733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can go to "Slashes" instaed < 1354648149 894601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*instead < 1354648150 627077 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know < 1354648150 968152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1354648153 193375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will fix it sometime < 1354648162 844742 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, the language list redirects you to /// < 1354648437 578585 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1354648443 68191 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could change that < 1354648482 438020 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, never mind, it does redirect you to Slashes < 1354648694 276908 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I did make Proce, yeah, and there's no one obvious way to do I/O. < 1354648716 64139 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1354648786 137537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: To me would seem, should have some line indicating the outputs and inputs? < 1354648816 419708 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might try to implement this, as a Csound plugin. < 1354650385 515805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Do you think that may be reasonable way doing I/O? < 1354650394 882268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, do you want a different way? < 1354650830 808515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you program Mozilla to finish loading the HTML before attempting to load any CSS, script, images, etc? < 1354650883 920252 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finish loading or finish rendering? < 1354651042 416643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both. < 1354651075 428977 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for one you should probably upgrade to firefox or seamonkey but I think that is not what you mean < 1354651080 182961 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I"m pretty sure you need CSS and some scripts before it can be rendered properly < 1354651150 548431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the Mozilla engine (so that includes Firefox and so on) < 1354651159 52849 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gecko? < 1354651162 208074 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-116.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354651169 576018 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-116.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1354651177 428229 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you insane enough to tamper with mariner? < 1354651309 306389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could be rendered not too bad, if you don't use the CSS/scripts; it should display placeholders for images, and if for any reason it cannot finish rendering, it ought to still be required to finish loading first. < 1354651317 576259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then render as much as possible, before loading the rest. < 1354651350 454289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1354651367 368407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1354651573 771466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354651758 13340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : /o/ < 1354651764 619425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1354651769 502561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1354651769 814228 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1354651780 950884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noes < 1354651782 959602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi...... < 1354651822 968034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks distinctly idle < 1354651829 795209 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor guys, their heads and arms are all chopped off < 1354651989 553886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: hi < 1354652644 122314 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: There are also some disembodied hands. < 1354652930 776218 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354653043 808642 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354653066 398203 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354653066 472119 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354653078 511207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can FM synthesis be done with acoustics rather than electronics? < 1354653158 327655 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that almost how humans speak? < 1354653172 409505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1354653183 876148 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Nah < 1354653195 652922 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Human speech is really more of resonance and resonant filtering < 1354653200 321944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean using strings and pipes and so on, not using speech. < 1354653202 6793 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could, at least to some extent < 1354653224 878349 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354653241 214037 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FM works by taking an oscillation and using it to change the frequency of another oscillation < 1354653251 187812 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there is PM which changes the phase instead < 1354653259 79266 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason synthesiser companies call PM FM < 1354653412 334262 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there is, frequency modulation, phase modulation, but is there duty modulation? < 1354653441 955758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pulse-width modulation? < 1354653459 108188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "squarewave" command in my Csound plugin could probably duty modulation too since the duty is an x-rate parameter < 1354653486 22686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I guess it is like that. < 1354653523 617049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still with this command, the frequency is also x-rate, so you could make both the frequency and duty to be modulated. < 1354653721 983252 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354653990 971020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FM" as a general term certainly doesn't really require the modulating signal to be an LFO or any sort of oscillator; the pitch effects of human speech (which work by altering the vocal fold oscillation frequency) are arguably rather clear examples of FM. (The bit that generally carries all "content", i.e. the frequency responses of the resonant filters, perhaps not so much.) < 1354654014 383737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of course the speech recognition researcher jumps to the voice < 1354654018 482193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about speech recognition!! < 1354654041 717196 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Ever heard of the Commodore 64? < 1354654098 413436 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1354654155 670134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1354654161 515410 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one pole, washed away < 1354654194 554015 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354654226 838967 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354654539 846761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was someone else who brought up the voice topic. < 1354654578 13895 :yorberth_puente!~canaima@201.249.0.183 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354654713 642555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome yorberth_puente < 1354654718 433719 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :yorberth_puente: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354654819 47316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone ever talk about deployment in here? < 1354654843 551973 :yorberth_puente!~canaima@201.249.0.183 QUIT :Excess Flood < 1354654844 619453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/welcome < 1354654847 706753 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1354654872 986815 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 tips for deploying brainfuck in production < 1354654874 624142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wc -c bin/welcome < 1354654877 882582 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :135 bin/welcome < 1354654887 918705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin < 1354654891 12820 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ No \ WELCOME \ WeLcOmE \ addquote \ addquotee \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ delquotee \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ google \ hatesgeo \ hi \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ pastlog \ ping < 1354654906 131329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/\? < 1354654909 4402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/\? < 1354654909 259203 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: bin/\?: No such file or directory < 1354654911 963720 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z) \ [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] || { echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; } \ cat "wisdom/$topic" \ < 1354654918 262553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/welcome < 1354654921 914049 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354654933 383006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ and deployment//' < 1354654936 975005 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: no input files < 1354654938 466985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ and deployment//' wisdom/welcome < 1354654941 767641 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354654959 391915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome fizzie < 1354654962 842715 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354655016 736884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! I thought it was like mediums and channeling and angel healing. < 1354655140 191286 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and angle grinding < 1354655309 819293 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :angle grinding? < 1354655321 516884 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :An acute case of angels. < 1354655354 649540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a book at the book store called Angels in My Hair. Plus two further books "from the author of Angels in My Hair". < 1354655390 703104 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In this uplifting autobiography, a modern-day Irish mystic shares her vivid encounters and conversations with the angels and spirits she has known her entire life." < 1354655409 287115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For as long as she can remember, Lorna Byrne has seen angels. As a young child, she assumed everyone could see the otherworldly beings who always accompanied her. Yet in the eyes of adults, her abnormal behavior was a symptom of mental deficiency. Today, sick and troubled people from around the world are drawn to her for comfort and healing, and even theologians of different faiths seek her ... < 1354655415 730576 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... guidance." ...yeah. < 1354655430 153921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just think! People dared to think she might have something wrong in the head department. < 1354655465 15110 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354655520 707653 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how despicable < 1354655537 466973 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354656101 263259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354656177 26928 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, otoh this /is/ in ireland < 1354656393 355550 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean the other hand is under ireland? < 1354656489 441513 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1354656532 460974 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could also mean mayonnaise < 1354656567 773826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gently fails at sweeping norwegian princess Märtha Louise under the rug < 1354656595 865524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pithy observation i was leading up to is that irish culture isn't really one of hardline rationalism < 1354656683 36824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why, is she nuts < 1354656715 118614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :her wikipedia doesn't make her sound /that/ much crazier than prince charles < 1354656839 316902 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's like "not /that/ much hotter than the sun" or "not /that/ much wetter than the Atlantic Ocean". Or, y'know, "not /that/ much less usable than Haskell" < 1354656848 905413 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry. contractual obligation) < 1354656852 594266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not a very good troll < 1354656854 669156 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354656866 876062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury is back? < 1354656874 101769 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, well, you can't fire me. Trolls have an /awesome/ union < 1354656880 528555 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe it's a struct, I'm not sure < 1354656885 618407 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is he the climate change denialist tory < 1354656887 844244 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its members might not overlap < 1354656894 865159 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354656894 938114 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354656894 938250 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354656896 608804 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm afraid I am < 1354656906 702723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princess_M%C3%A4rtha_Louise_of_Norway#Spirituality_school_controversy anyway < 1354656910 430509 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I'm not a tory! I'm an anarcho-capitalist libertarian < 1354656922 119983 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there /is/ a difference < 1354656964 783743 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354656988 466744 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well obviously i already read that < 1354656989 840567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :23E4 STRAIGHTNESS [⏤] < 1354656989 998064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :23E5 FLATNESS [⏥] < 1354656994 196689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know those? < 1354656994 739566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1354657005 993788 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se TOPIC #esoteric :Use angels and your own power to create miracles in the logs: http://5z8.info/turkeyporn_o4u1vn_molotovcocktail#gobblegobble < 1354657058 581550 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, not helping with the 'no, not that kind of esoteric' problem < 1354657074 530293 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354657077 604061 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not exactly trying to :) < 1354657079 855809 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh, we never talk about esolangs /anyway/, what does it matter? < 1354657100 232251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do too! several times a week, sometimes < 1354657101 89452 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, except when we talk about Haskell) <-- seriously guys, it says in my contract that I have to do this. < 1354657141 183453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: the contract also says what eventually happens to your soul, i take < 1354657144 964251 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not funny now, and i'm not sure it ever was < 1354657152 602512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is signed in blood < 1354657153 738320 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked today's Critical Miss < 1354657169 351770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :being self-aware of one's idiocy does not excuse it < 1354657220 165410 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I just wanted to make sure everyone could remember who I was. I'll stop now < 1354657231 418565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury isn't identical to fax? just checking. < 1354657232 999443 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless there are any /really good/ opportunities, then I might be unable to resist) < 1354657243 426724 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, they're both british < 1354657254 208060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax is british? < 1354657271 307517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they made clangers references < 1354657272 761683 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am most assuredly /not/ a low-resolution image transmission system < 1354657284 56979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Quick, talk about esolangs! < 1354657287 795654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may have been other things also < 1354657288 435757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1354657305 564423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo Hello there. < 1354657305 878420 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello there. Hello there. < 1354657307 870787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1354657314 522415 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you okay? < 1354657315 23327 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i took up emacs so i can do < 1354657317 266970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you have something AGAINST esolangs there? < 1354657317 693460 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: look to the past.... < 1354657325 514622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spooky. < 1354657326 254812 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is fungot's "echo" supposed to... well... echo like that? < 1354657326 745273 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: manipulating xml as sexps?) or you can < 1354657328 776425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :experience, clearly < 1354657333 231039 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh you've upset fungot < 1354657333 609803 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's the return of the last < 1354657341 376699 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your view on angels and other otherworldly beings? < 1354657341 925831 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well i'm mentioning theoretical image to be dumped in rain forests of laukaa. < 1354657343 954040 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, sexps! < 1354657348 326260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: of course, it wouldn't me much of an echo if it only said things _once_, would it? < 1354657367 152801 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo a duck's quack < 1354657367 544809 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a duck's quack a duck's quack < 1354657375 893142 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that disproves /that/ urban legend! < 1354657390 839340 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I'm very bored and not a little drowsy < 1354657401 532531 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this may lead to minor outbursts of insanity < 1354657422 860292 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a drow! kill it! < 1354657440 967568 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think of APL? < 1354657441 657387 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it was the joke. shriram krishnamurthi was saying that the headings should always use the -sign for arrays.... not insert /way/ better alternative. < 1354657459 849926 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1354657467 162483 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what do you think of AAPL? < 1354657468 79318 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: upper management latched on to anything with a suxor name...) construct where parts of app pass procedures to compose: ( ( (1 2 3) < 1354657485 980050 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's almost true! < 1354657509 143756 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, why wouldn't it be? < 1354657515 111620 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot always speak the truth < 1354657515 646422 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you can request fnord at a distance 5000 feet.) mention what you managed to install fnord < 1354657542 454105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fungot: what's your view on angels and other otherworldly beings? olsner: well i'm mentioning theoretical image to be dumped in rain forests of laukaa. < 1354657543 15340 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i have access to your screen sessions, most of the time < 1354657545 721361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :863) fungot: what's your view on angels and other otherworldly beings? olsner: well i'm mentioning theoretical image to be dumped in rain forests of laukaa. < 1354657570 275569 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'd be afraid if I were you < 1354657581 68477 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't want fungot messing with my screen sessions < 1354657581 430429 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: iso media, apple quicktime movie < 1354657582 941604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that would be worrisome if i used screen < 1354657605 15459 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heck, the mere fact of using screen would be worrisome < 1354657628 478398 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: fungot has actually been known to lie, but usually he corrupts the hard disks of anyone who has a log of the event < 1354657628 976384 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: can you see pretty easily what's going on? < 1354657652 567556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: DON'T ANSWER THAT < 1354657665 359136 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ircing #esoteric through screen would give fungot access to your screen session < 1354657665 778033 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wait a sec :) just store the symbols and labels)? < 1354657667 872146 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo access < 1354657674 114690 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: *I* can pretty easily see what's going on. < 1354657674 568413 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: it's definitively no toy environment'. it's great < 1354657681 698222 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chortles. Fnordingly. < 1354657710 319566 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1354657710 600908 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1354657723 336763 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, don't you want to talk to me? < 1354657724 280875 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: methinkx it was the fastest back then; the guile people are slow to calculate them lazily. that is < 1354657745 346922 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354657750 725592 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: back then, huh? < 1354657750 909001 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: or is there another way < 1354657787 578475 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yeah the guile people *are* slow, aren't they? < 1354657788 216218 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: if i want to mail a poor teacher a copy?). having to pack values into a monad moot. < 1354657802 859483 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :must... resist... temptation... to mock monads... < 1354657827 989891 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mock monads so they're easier to test < 1354657845 304466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this again < 1354657878 28824 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what would happen if I were to pack soundnfury into a monad, do you suppose? < 1354657878 466808 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i think it's gotta run at fnord < 1354657894 610778 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes, obviously it would < 1354657895 698539 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: and we want to switch back and forth, but if i was you, i'd leave him. everyone has hated him since. the end. < 1354657905 558029 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's sad < 1354657907 552951 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1354658017 536492 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is used to being hated < 1354658021 582390 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but being hated by a bot? < 1354658026 29676 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just low < 1354658061 301489 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: let's talk about Feather. What would be a good name for a Feather interpreter? < 1354658061 777016 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: let me rephrase! " captive market" anybody? < 1354658076 759461 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Perfect, thanks! < 1354658077 237880 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: care to describe it. < 1354658105 884429 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what should be the foundation of my next esolang? I'm thinking something involving ed < 1354658106 407409 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: if my macro does not. cmuscheme.el does. < 1354658109 909501 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, first I'll implement it in some other language, then retroactively host it in Feather all the way down < 1354658150 799489 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quill < 1354658153 298265 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: soo... reimplement ed in lisp, or reimplement emacs on top of ed? < 1354658154 84635 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: we disagree about where it was revealed that the health service had a hospital running for several months and come back < 1354658154 162979 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot wants GreyKnight to describe the inner workings of this Feather interpreter? oh god. < 1354658154 659268 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: if you used a proper xml production library that can be used as a teaching language. < 1354658173 578123 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm surprised how relevant he manages to be < 1354658186 744441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: IT'S A TRAP < 1354658195 153478 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A TARP < 1354658210 665550 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but I'm not quite sure what the relevance of the NHS is to my question about ed-macs < 1354658246 54073 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your favourite programming paradigm? < 1354658246 882478 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: so it's two proof, after which you can ask < 1354658276 436367 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly you should sell ed-macs systems to the hospitals < 1354658327 97956 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: nah, they already have MUMPS < 1354658769 951085 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am actually going to call it captive-market now, just FYI < 1354658871 252202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, you aren't trying to write a feather interpreter are you < 1354658891 895950 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can neither confirm nor deny this statement < 1354658921 841245 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1354658943 343613 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would the TardisT monad transformer be useful for writing a feather interpreter < 1354659006 11690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it take up less memory than it contains < 1354659028 525711 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1354659031 972694 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ask me again in the past < 1354659096 925009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did, don't you remember? < 1354659168 157629 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yes < 1354659197 529079 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a different note, I'm listening to songs I don't really like in a language I don't speak a word of < 1354659202 933959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I really see soundnfury saying bullshit about haskell in the logs yet another day < 1354659208 776083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just go away forever or something < 1354659220 870415 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why? < 1354659232 722680 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, TO PERFECT MY ROLEPLAY < 1354659253 920906 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wraps soundnfury in a monad < 1354659260 800771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh no, don't you see? he's saying bullshit about haskell ironically < 1354659265 630721 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes him funny and interesting < 1354659275 829646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting proposition! < 1354659286 879991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree and offer instead the proposition that it just makes him even more pointless < 1354659304 68733 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl soundnfury < 1354659304 290633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury < 1354659307 175104 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1354659312 251580 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's as pointless as they get < 1354659319 457722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's being pointless ironically too! < 1354659324 978020 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unpl soundnfury < 1354659325 230448 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury < 1354659365 718975 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354659403 703354 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, really, it's just noise < 1354659432 897493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's like the fixed point of pointlessness < 1354659432 975370 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1354659729 202979 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't Y combinate me! < 1354659738 941691 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354659745 529714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1354659749 128793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is embarrassing for everyone < 1354659780 180973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not embarrassed!!!!!!!!! < 1354659800 637523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just tiredly shaking my head < 1354659823 312989 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im smiling. hello soundnfury!!!welcome to esoteric < 1354659829 838615 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello monqy < 1354659850 170269 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting… < 1354659856 797144 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I annoyed elliott by making a couple of haskell jibes < 1354659864 259729 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure he'll get over it eventually < 1354659864 772170 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff that'd annoy anyone < 1354659867 791319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : FireFly, TO PERFECT MY ROLEPLAY <-- is this quenya, sindarin, klingon or something else? < 1354659876 887033 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry about it : ) < 1354659902 421601 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354659927 973178 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes soundnfury, elliott was annoyed to a positive fervour by the sick burns you landed on haskell < 1354659939 839113 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354659942 413350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your attitude to life would make willy loman proud < 1354659958 680460 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: well it's more that you literally say nothing of value and have apparently created your "#esoteric persona" entirely around saying dumb things about haskell that nobody even cares about (because who cares about the opinions of someone who clearly knows nothing about haskell??) < 1354659959 943121 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Y pointlessness) < 1354659960 608204 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354659985 362839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you live up to your name i.e. told by an idiot, signifying nothing < 1354659988 856402 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: elliott's right!!! i know you only as "the haskellphobe" < 1354659992 227755 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1354659993 348584 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I do occasionally talk about other things < 1354659996 722043 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-174-200.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354659999 935444 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, actual esolangs < 1354660013 768730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it would be good if you didn't drown that out with that dumbness < 1354660030 245260 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe if there were more esolang talk in here there'd be something for me to talk about that wasn't dumb < 1354660084 329463 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :case in point: what does some irish lass who thinks she talks to angels have to do with esolangs? < 1354660092 236159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so clearly you don't like the contents of this channel < 1354660097 74179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead of feebly "trolling" the people inside < 1354660098 708040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not just go away < 1354660109 983551 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I /do/ like the thing this channel is ostensibly about < 1354660120 149877 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: thats not what the channel is actually about. shoo < 1354660122 608146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you are going to troll it in the hopes it becomes off-topic??? < 1354660124 412756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by talking about < 1354660127 314131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something off-topic < 1354660141 187601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how this can possibly have a productive end... you're freely admitting you are trying to bother us because you don't like what we talk about < 1354660159 274471 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is the meaning of life? < 1354660159 750362 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: ' ( 1 2) ( scheme-report-environment 5) < 1354660177 945426 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not actually trying to bother you < 1354660199 461574 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, scheme. Of course. < 1354660205 632433 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just have difficulty resisting the opportunities to direct childish humour at Haskell when I happen to be bored < 1354660229 753391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1354660233 844010 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and since, on days when I'm /not/ bored, there's not usually any conversation in this channel to join in with productively, < 1354660240 573428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you will find everyone in the channel either doesn't care about it or is bothered by it < 1354660244 922341 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only tend to hear from me when I'm bored < 1354660247 969256 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, *I'm* going to sleep < 1354660250 221721 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: zzz < 1354660262 644549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so perhaps restrain yourself?? or just don't join when you're bored < 1354660270 68612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn i was just going to xkcd him < 1354660295 452070 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually do restrain myself, but you don't see that, you only see the cases when my restraint fails < 1354660309 205139 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, try not to hate me /too/ much for not being perfect at restraint < 1354660369 379118 :Deewiant!~deewiant@109.75.188.190 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354660401 378814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically soundnfury had been here for hours before i noticed he was, of course that _was_ when he mentioned haskell. < 1354660452 464912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you have a person the vast majority of who's (total pro grammar) contribution to the channel is to fail to restrain themselves and say dumb things then that's pretty suboptimal imo < 1354660490 539250 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :programmers are in favour of syntax. Erm, I mean... they're pro grammar. < 1354660501 702962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whose" yw < 1354660507 84928 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell... more like FUCK SKULL am i right < 1354660514 488933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(no, i am not) < 1354660551 321493 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354660567 814552 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: good morrow, hail and well met. Prithee tell me how thou farest this day. < 1354660573 225371 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell more like who would ever use a language with no I/O and you can't have variables???????am i right < 1354660578 61628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok you are allowed to dis haskell here. but you have to do it in the type system. < 1354660631 749984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i hear they represent strings as multiply-boxed linked lists!!! ha ha ha < 1354660632 632777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only because the kind system isn't powerful enough yet. < 1354660634 838777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( :( ) < 1354660657 860184 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :be kind to your type system. or is that a category error? < 1354660731 762016 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :On an unrelated topic, can someone give me architectural advice on a project I'm working on? < 1354660757 367773 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a programmable text editor (-ish thing) in Python... < 1354660760 531972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354660762 813579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in any case, http://hauptwerk.blogspot.no/2012/11/coming-soon-in-ghc-head-poly-kinded.html is _clearly_ relevant < 1354660778 629083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort it out yourself, or ask people you haven't systematically annoyed < 1354660812 309556 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but annoyed people can give good advice, under a set of implausible assumptions I won't list here < 1354661026 70257 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i annoyed enough to give good advice ? < 1354661028 759347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know the channel is getting back on topic < 1354661034 542211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esotexteditors < 1354661064 213250 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :python is esoteric if you think about it hard enough < 1354661074 108505 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eschew's the common wisdom to use lexical scoping < 1354661082 566061 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's innovation < 1354661090 960940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost lexical scoping < 1354661118 805145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i think python 3 gets it right? < 1354661119 464454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1354661121 904202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"right" anyway < 1354661124 422517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Another cool thing is that now even type classes can have Typeable instances; since we allow abstraction over Constraint, datatypes may have parameters involving the Constraint kind, so to support Typeable for those datatypes, we need to support Typeable for type classes in general (as pointed out by Gábor Lehel)." < 1354661129 780501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the future < 1354661139 715635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an instance Typeable Typeable..... < 1354661157 495109 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a future in which the future is syb < 1354661157 881781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy god < 1354661222 688480 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's python's scoping like < 1354661222 922721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Want to write alongside for traversals? < 1354661226 19807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds juicy < 1354661255 332784 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these lens shenanigans related to syb? < 1354661266 373784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. < 1354661273 276081 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should add that the first part of it I'm implementing is actually an emulated `ed' session < 1354661315 6719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354661325 782151 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck off and ask someone who cares < 1354661339 56465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury: perhaps bonghits will fix your emulated `ed' session < 1354661365 60267 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh. I was assuming you'd continue to maintain a pretense of civility < 1354661370 740593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if you write "x = 3" in a nested function, it puts a binding in your most local frame, not in whatever frame (if any) originally defined 'x' < 1354661373 805219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :big whoop imo < 1354661382 320220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soundnfury, ass of u and me, etc. < 1354661385 900148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like scheme's 'define' vs 'set!' < 1354661389 452731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Python 3 you can say nonlocal x < 1354661400 332972 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonlocal? what a nice keyword < 1354661410 98969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry wait no, you haven't made an ass of me at all < 1354661413 770072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this arises because python doesn't have a distinction between declaring a variable and assigning to one < 1354661413 903522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, local definitions like that may sometimes be useful in macros, although Haskell has bad support for macros anyways. < 1354661414 329563 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well, they couldn't call it "global", that was taken < 1354661416 842580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which even scheme does kinda < 1354661419 937430 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, does that mean "sane x" or just "different x" < 1354661429 258756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are simply digging your own fetid little hole ever-deeper < 1354661433 675339 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354661440 628781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have used macros like that in C, though. < 1354661452 336364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other thing about python is that 'for' loops and friends don't create new scopes; they mutate the counter variable in the function's scope < 1354661457 239248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however many languages work this way < 1354661461 917560 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: funny, it doesn't look that way to me < 1354661487 896276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some additional weirdness with generator expressions tho < 1354661493 863654 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how choosing the wrong name for the iteration variable in a for loop causes bugs after the for loop < 1354661500 498569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, your lack of perspective is one of your major flaws < 1354661507 425004 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I haven't even /mentioned/ a certain language even though several other people have < 1354661509 639122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see #3 here: http://web.archive.org/web/20101009122154/http://web.mit.edu/rwbarton/www/python.html < 1354661522 916539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard you were going to get that back up on the real Internet. < 1354661525 448330 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I expected you to indicate any awareness of my restraint when present < 1354661547 636441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so one of you has to go otherwise this dumb argument will continue on to infinity < 1354661550 395278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vote soundnfury < 1354661573 668321 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been /trying/ to let go, but Phantom_Hoover doesn't seem to like that idea < 1354661647 74081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cute how you think you can just act obnoxiously and expect everyone to 'let go' < 1354661653 593755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i vote soundnfury also < 1354661770 72593 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how about that other topic of conversation that isn't a pointless argument between me and Phantom_Hoover, eh? <-- if someone can provide one, I'd be grateful < 1354661798 99414 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no we'd be perfectly content for you to simply shut up < 1354661803 207188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or get kicked < 1354661811 802012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vote both soundnfury and Phantom_Hoover shut up < 1354662072 366612 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pandyland.net/random/?comicid=722779190 < 1354662079 509987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember that one time I said nonsense in #haskell? < 1354662082 13664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read somewhere, making up cards of Magic: the Gathering only involving the name of itself and the text of the comprehensive rules. One card is a enchantment called "Nirvana" with text: Goblins cannot reach Nirvana. < 1354662120 568150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yep < 1354662128 904405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I interpret it to mean that, if this card ever becomes a creature, and gains flying, then the reach ability does not permit other creatures to block it if those creatures have the "Goblin" creature type. < 1354662186 466172 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354662226 481024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: nice < 1354662234 321644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :any other good examples? < 1354662238 151075 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354662258 654397 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The closest thing to “ nonsense” i could find was “ What nonsense?” on 2012-11-20. < 1354662275 944413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Don't logread me! < 1354662300 755362 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't have other examples, sorry. < 1354662636 618177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION -> sleep < 1354662639 521308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354662779 6580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the enchantment itself has to become a creature? < 1354662803 1277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I think it would have to become a creature with flying before its text would have any effect on the game. < 1354662860 707949 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354663104 462234 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quoth Wikipedia: In 1864, Congress authorized a third series of fractional currency notes. The five-cent note was to bear a depiction of "Clark", but Congress was appalled when the issue came out not with a portrait of William Clark, the explorer, but Spencer M. Clark, head of the Currency Bureau. According to numismatic historian Walter Breen, Congress's "immediate infuriated response was to pass a law retiring the five-cent denomination, and another to forbid p < 1354663104 575720 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ortrayal of any living person on federal coins or currency." < 1354663112 936288 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That guy is the greatest troll in history X-D < 1354663226 413063 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll give that a chuckle and an imaginary slow clap and/or applause < 1354663557 725672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2012/12/04/one-in-four-americans-has-an-opinion-about-an-imaginary-debt-plan/ < 1354663899 46346 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PPP is pretty awesome. I like their twitter. < 1354663923 286299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't even notice it was them < 1354663924 502535 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Point-to-Point Protocol? < 1354663933 228339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppppolls < 1354663979 386185 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Public Policy Polling, I think. < 1354663986 228568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, they re-tweeted someone asking "Could @ppppolls be any more blatantly biased?" < 1354664001 70362 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were retweeting people ranting at them all throughout November. < 1354664006 677386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't even respond < 1354664009 654930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like their style < 1354664012 777399 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the ones about how Romney was totally going to win, etc < 1354664035 741711 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(I don't remember getting a single phone call in response to that video, although the crazy voice mails did blend together at some point)" < 1354664045 229431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"49% of GOP voters nationally say they think that ACORN stole the election for President Obama. We found that 52% of Republicans thought that ACORN stole the 2008 election for Obama, so this is a modest decline, but perhaps smaller than might have been expected given that ACORN doesn't exist anymore." < 1354664060 966735 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pffff < 1354664081 272312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also point out that "One reason that such a high percentage of Republicans are holding what could be seen as extreme views is that their numbers are declining" < 1354664100 762848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody remotely sane is being driven out of the party < 1354664104 764078 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they also record the percentage of people identifying as republican in that poll? < 1354664109 278199 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember it went down a lot lately < 1354664110 46268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of wonderful as well < 1354664115 1869 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1354664120 510442 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a fun implosion to watch < 1354664125 898968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know about that poll specifically but they say it went down from 37% to 32% at the election < 1354664212 397859 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354664274 9084 :example!4d557a90@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.85.122.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354664318 251833 :example!4d557a90@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.85.122.144 PART :#esoteric < 1354664419 772195 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354665089 867030 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.40.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354665105 537759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hird elliott likes vault. < 1354665128 81772 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Death Metal Fat Cat Drum Cover http://youtu.be/yWcak9tZupc < 1354665139 970625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo elliott, i hird you like vault, so i put a vault in your vault < 1354665194 329201 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see what you did there. < 1354665340 203744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1354665354 554370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember back when I did that "u mad" thing? < 1354665364 344847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that #esoteric was window 19 in irssi at the time. < 1354665366 323951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe 18 < 1354665367 965434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now it's 11 < 1354665375 399232 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 < 1354665394 913319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 is terrible! < 1354665467 128305 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the significance of the number itself and the fact that you remember it? < 1354665603 218014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Tell conal that. < 1354665608 523205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1354665613 412806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: No significance. < 1354665623 384398 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok, thanks for sharing < 1354665653 534194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember back when I had #concatenative as window 10? < 1354665656 325647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was crazy. < 1354665703 455249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember that < 1354665824 398118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember back before we got amnesia? < 1354665831 314721 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seventeen. < 1354665867 233675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's numberwang < 1354666160 791271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher://zzo38computer.org:70/0textfile/miscellaneous/PMUIDS < 1354666368 783428 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354666563 420644 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354667078 117493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't have Gopher. < 1354667081 991864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I have an HTTP version? < 1354667165 862979 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354667167 136510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/PMUIDS < 1354667191 94024 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The gopher version is considered official, however. < 1354667230 885700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By whom? < 1354667292 691579 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :By myself. < 1354667308 285240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, both are the same file, so it doesn't matter. < 1354667351 252030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's about pokemon < 1354667535 520703 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet, class 1 snow warning in my area (class 1 is lowest class and basically means "potentially annoying weather", but still) < 1354667573 138449 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Would I be correct in assuming the Nintendo pmuids use National Pokedex numbers? < 1354667597 862402 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. Bulbasaur is pmuid:1 < 1354667610 364208 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, pmuids:1 < 1354667667 94035 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Mew of course pmuids:151) < 1354667685 639525 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes. < 1354667695 737378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are correct. < 1354667702 733486 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You may want to specify that. :) < 1354667764 931114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. I fixed it. < 1354667961 900598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- no snow at all but annoyingly cold. for now. < 1354668002 470114 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- chance of snow this weekend. < 1354668018 146612 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- Saaaan Fraaaanciscoooooooo < 1354668025 958863 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my girlfriend will actually see a snowy Colorado. That'd be something. < 1354668038 216202 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, if it snows there the apocalypse is real. < 1354668044 347557 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehehe < 1354668082 606833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :california gets apocalypses all the time, doesn't it? < 1354668119 703999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apocalypses really only happen once though < 1354668215 70258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF got an inch of snow in Feb 2011 < 1354668219 227921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :previous occasion was in 1976 < 1354668235 902208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would believe that both 1976 and 2011 were apocalypse years < 1354668265 522981 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, the last time the LA area got snow was 1962 < 1354668816 234847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: cuban missile crisis, obviously. < 1354669490 390632 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We got about 7 inches of snow last weekend. < 1354669701 559481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They did predict up to 16, so I guess it wasn't that bad. < 1354670106 260298 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354670381 741484 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354671020 385687 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354671463 11859 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354673577 893683 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1354673845 158417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow a friend just pointed out to me that clang can do things like this: https://gist.github.com/4211534 < 1354673940 93252 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's movabsq do? < 1354674052 108569 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :load 64-bit immediate value < 1354674054 944712 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1354674083 714583 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btq... bit test @_@ < 1354674124 663812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354674137 107327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 4294977024 "" < 1354674138 668623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "100000000000000000010011000000000" < 1354674139 825683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354674147 615597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\r is 0x0D, \n is 0x0A, \t is 0x09, ' ' is 0x20 < 1354674150 325116 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um... < 1354674171 592347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length $ showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 4294977024 "" < 1354674173 48642 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 33 < 1354674206 272648 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it copies a bit from the given register to the carry flag....? < 1354674231 235778 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH. < 1354674243 883021 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's doing a 64-way table lookup using a single register. < 1354674247 891300 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :64-bit boolean table lookup < 1354674248 267182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354674249 186997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1354674254 422045 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is wonderful < 1354674264 217563 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen it done that way < 1354674278 69439 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done it before in code with something like... < 1354674306 360077 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define 4BIT_ARRAY_LOOKUP(x) ((constant>>(4*(x)))&0xF) < 1354674322 572710 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but bit test saves an instruction if you only need one bit I think... < 1354674331 347366 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you'd have to do shift + and < 1354674344 568382 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gosh I've never seen a compiler automate that, wow < 1354674522 893127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354674524 786706 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am impressed < 1354674548 689163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it must be pretty good for lexers in general < 1354674590 809373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354674735 906754 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it's a similar optimization to the one where it combines if( i == 15 || i == 16 || i == 17 ) into if( i >= 15 && i <= 17 ) < 1354674742 758063 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think gcc does that one < 1354674850 742695 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems rather more involved, to my ignorant eyes < 1354674879 540356 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just combining N checks, realizing they fall in a 64-bit range, and generating a bit array I think...? < 1354674885 260466 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean the asm is weird but < 1354674966 894509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure exactly how the optimization pass is implemented < 1354674970 261827 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be interested to find out < 1354675064 259788 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354675064 333179 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354675064 333310 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354675143 292383 :sebbu3!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354675160 86175 :sebbu3!~sebbu@83.194.57.239 QUIT :Changing host < 1354675160 159839 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354675205 32695 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354675333 236495 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354675434 974768 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354675491 177163 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354675540 357514 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354676952 705078 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354676965 416545 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354676965 489826 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1354676965 490006 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1354677207 128288 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354677246 210494 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354677554 480790 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354678729 64589 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1354679039 30051 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354679039 140047 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354679039 140201 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354679258 221605 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354679941 88007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.regehr.org/archives/320 example 7 here is similar < 1354680025 35153 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel's compiler does some really neat things < 1354680030 936991 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One thing I saw it do once was something like this < 1354680052 177800 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some code where two pointers could alias, and if they actually did, the compiler would have to do something a lot worse < 1354680058 160611 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it made a branch based on whether or not the pointers aliased < 1354680063 786301 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compiled two copies of the code < 1354680139 752767 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh. I like the thing clang does in example 5, I've never seen gcc do that sort of thing < 1354680198 712703 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clang is better at compiling gcc than gcc is, then :P < 1354680230 370618 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that coincidentally answers the question of whether gcc deals with ranges, though < 1354680264 61420 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example 4!! oh god I actually remember that thing from the optimization manual < 1354680286 229547 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel optimized their instruction decoder in some weird way that makes handling length-changing prefixes insanely slow (like, 6 cycles per instruction slow) < 1354680300 261286 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1354680363 307070 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, intel did a crazy good job on example 3. < 1354680406 973630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah iirc intel's chips have a few decoder units, and only one of them can handle the full x86 syntax with all its stupid bells and whistles < 1354680429 679156 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's worse than that, it holds up the entire pipeline for something like 6 cycles per instruction < 1354680434 542816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1354680440 491978 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is a new thing though < 1354680447 613539 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the old rule was "3 simple instructions, 1 complex instruction" per cycle < 1354680466 23584 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My guess is they have some kind of predecoder that guesses the lengths of instructions and if it's wrong they have to flush the whole thing and start over < 1354680506 790829 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and example 1. I wonder what the conditions for able-to-statically-evaluate-loops is for each compiler... and I just read that article backwards <_<; < 1354680594 544993 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc-patches/2012-03/msg01932.html oooh here's the patch for gcc to fix that 16-bit immediate issue. < 1354680801 706077 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354680817 156150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.regehr.org/archives/324 there are some followups here < 1354680819 385294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another gcc patch < 1354680820 352063 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354680913 650777 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws example 4 at bike because division by multiplication taking advantage of limited input range < 1354680936 900793 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mruh, i'm totally out of my depth here, you know < 1354680946 222711 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you were just talking about that the other day right :< < 1354680956 906854 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but i'm still shit at it < 1354680963 394207 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are nooooot < 1354680998 162868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :multiply and conquer < 1354681004 23355 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are really smart okay >_< < 1354681134 952117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is shachaf < 1354681536 498886 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: idk, I think he was on #haskell earlier though < 1354681554 958021 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354681564 624359 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did coppro use the opportunity to beat me? < 1354681593 706089 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case not: elliott monqy Fiora < 1354681664 481514 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not :( < 1354681674 563646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankies < 1354681942 549948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1354681953 87676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Palo Alto < 1354681963 133722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/4211534 < 1354682015 469071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry you cannot be at palo alto, that's a mythical place from legends < 1354682031 581300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a big tree < 1354682036 470958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you in the tree shachaf < 1354682081 150813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never actually seen the tree, though I think it's relatively close to where I live? < 1354682084 103030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should go see it. < 1354682090 603108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks. < 1354682106 952783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't confusing it with yggdrasil? < 1354682122 370039 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yggdrasil? watch out for the FOEs < 1354682247 690594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's using the char as a bit index into a 64-bit integer? < 1354682252 830583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's clever. < 1354682282 398813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354682329 542046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Efforts to restore the tree's health by the Southern Pacific Railroad, the City of Palo Alto and local citizens included progressive pruning off of the dying treetop, addition of soil and mulch at the tree’s base, removal of dead limbs, pesticide spraying and installation of a pipe up its trunk to bring water to the top of the tree.[6] Although the tree stands today at only 68% of its former stature, it enjoys greater health than nearly a century a < 1354682381 815698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ago." < 1354682463 698333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how general whatever it is that does that optimization is. < 1354682479 194261 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be cool to see the code for it < 1354682569 625342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is some FUD about how Supertrain will murder El Palo Alto < 1354682572 128863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NIMBY FUD < 1354682580 983689 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354682609 337478 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354682610 215715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i tried it on various subsets of ASCII 0..128 and it seemed to use the bitmask < 1354682636 950582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, I assume it's not *just* for the characters " \r\n\t" < 1354682657 675159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think it won't branch to use two different bitmasks, one for 0..63 and one for 64..128 < 1354682669 931759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a randomly selected subset of 0..255 it used a function pointer lookup table < 1354682673 15623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 2 kB! < 1354682689 735695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would have thought a table of single bytes is better < 1354682695 454135 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a function pointer lookup table, wow < 1354682700 549988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you are just going to load that byte to %rax and then ret, anyway < 1354682702 958468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds a little bit overkill < 1354682734 699062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that ICC loads the entire table into a YMM register :D < 1354682775 557624 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a simd bit test though... < 1354682790 809805 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd probably have to set a bit and shuffle it into place? < 1354682816 20253 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pslldq/psrldq are byte shifts only < 1354682911 229562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Given that you can't even get a CPU with AVX2 these days... < 1354682967 11144 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could use AVX with float instructions, like doing a vpand and then a vcomiss or something... < 1354682971 16085 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but icky < 1354683017 714009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, last time I looked at the AVX1 instructions they were very limited for what I wanted to do. < 1354683033 680224 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's really hard to do anything useful integer-wise with them since it's float-only >_< < 1354683051 188163 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've played some with AVX2 but it's not very satisfying because it's not like the emulator can tell me how fast it's going to run < 1354683080 754455 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously we need bit test functions for floats < 1354683237 999558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with all the people with nicks that start with an uppercase letter? < 1354683265 479621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was illegal. < 1354683290 598988 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're illegal. < 1354683304 403874 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um.... it's... it's like a name, so... < 1354683374 859416 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading about some tools on BackTrack Linux < 1354683384 194666 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would anyone ever actually fall for this http://www.question-defense.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/2-22-2010-11-11-15-PM.png < 1354683399 360337 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you serious? of course! < 1354683415 483175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would fall for that were i not paying attention < 1354683858 196434 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Kubuntu still shit? < 1354683945 888988 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going by http://www.neowin.net/forum/topic/1114379-kubuntu-1210-review/ perhaps not < 1354684173 784336 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it unreasonable for me to want to use XenClient? < 1354684187 729525 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus run multiple OSes at the same time? < 1354684194 193272 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354684394 719008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: of course < 1354684592 250673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the code responsible: https://github.com/llvm-mirror/llvm/blob/master/lib/CodeGen/SelectionDAG/SelectionDAGBuilder.cpp#L2349 < 1354684691 584690 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, some arches don't even have shl? < 1354684728 204265 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it does some tests to see if it's worthwhile... < 1354684782 378011 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is extremely cool < 1354685057 887856 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354685076 754162 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354685076 826869 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354685190 1331 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354685542 495901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i wonder which ones don't have it < 1354685549 518327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: thanks for finding that code btw < 1354685561 373608 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. 8086 only had shl and shr by 1 I think < 1354685575 858390 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, thanks, that was really cool to look at evenif I'm clueless about llvm internals < 1354685684 934748 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354685878 289920 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354686014 839111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately GHC doesn't generate code that LLVM recognizes for this trick. < 1354686305 946511 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354686326 151931 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354686326 261837 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354686544 910757 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354686564 385228 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354688797 427099 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354689375 10757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably sure x86 had N-shifts from the get-go. < 1354689409 364416 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To reduce the maximum execution time, the 80386 does not allow shift counts greater than 31. If a shift count greater than 31 is attempted, only the bottom five bits of the shift count are used. (The 8086 uses all eight bits of the shift count.)" sort of suggests so too. < 1354689559 870057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Z80 (and maybe 8080?) can only shift by one, though. < 1354689599 30594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :6502 only had shift by one iirc < 1354689647 333894 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the real question is, is there an llvm backend for the NES. < 1354689950 588162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Go hdniotg < 1354689965 750701 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354690778 7545 :cherep_!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1354690951 890423 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should watch some Twilight Zone episodes someday < 1354690962 741622 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354690963 117563 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are all of the episodes considered classics, or just the ones I've heard of? < 1354691507 762716 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the ones you've heard of < 1354691532 272114 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :monsters/maple street, it's a good life, handful of others < 1354691537 704700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't heard of any. < 1354691684 680243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354691693 130947 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: A significant number of them are classics. < 1354691706 370910 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then you have been living under a damned rock. < 1354691719 795794 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I worry about spoilers? < 1354691730 957923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of the Twilight Zone, just not any specific episodes. < 1354691734 412694 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have probably already experienced the spoilers. < 1354691741 756524 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Already spoiled It's a Good Life and Monsters/Maple Street, and know of that one with the glasses) < 1354691746 418140 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Welp, you've got 5 seasons to binge. < 1354691758 362939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no thx" < 1354691823 131873 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nightmare at 20k feet < 1354691986 950461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is mosh vulnerable to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closely_related_key attacks? < 1354692250 216811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know anyone writing pokemon battle simulators and other pokemon related computer programming, or who makes up the new pokemons, you can notify them about PMUIDS. < 1354692274 765685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I know one person on IRC. < 1354692282 148614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you know about PMUIDS? < 1354692288 797652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: gopher://zzo38computer.org:70/0textfile/miscellaneous/PMUIDS < 1354692318 630800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I wrote it. But, I mean other people who use it; currently I do not use it (although in future I may use it) < 1354692368 787709 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354692385 99201 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354692385 172111 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354692487 25636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there is anything else wrong/unclear, you can notify me about that; I already made clearer about the official numbers < 1354692494 832172 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354692626 243034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's possible that PMUIDS would be more popular if it preferred HTTP to Gopher. < 1354692676 233186 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the same file can be accessed by HTTP and it is the same file either way so it doesn't matter. < 1354692744 211113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason it isn't more popular is because I wrote it today. < 1354693377 238395 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now for something different (and unrelated): < 1354693411 647968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A puzzle game I am designing: It is like a cross between Hero Hearts and Magic: the Gathering, with a little bit of chess and Dungeons&Dragons. < 1354694159 964797 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1354695335 322467 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354695876 128196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354696021 963033 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354696075 689283 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The topic will probably not help confused newcomers :-P < 1354696111 20568 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fiora monqy: coppro failed again < 1354696134 114792 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless the time I came in here was after the second update, which I was unaware of < 1354696366 526239 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was reading the ideas list, I really like the idea of the language that only has one big program < 1354696385 29582 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("communist language") < 1354696403 503184 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to figure out a way to enforce it at the minute < 1354696504 56087 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One big program as in, only one program of a certain complexity, or, only one program and that program is large/ < 1354696515 196699 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354696516 908880 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter < 1354696549 558060 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want to write code in this language it has to go into the same program that everybody else is writing < 1354696550 869578 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some obvious but boring ways to do it come to mind < 1354696557 656310 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait, huh? < 1354696596 116316 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ideas page suggests having a public wiki as "the editor" for the source code < 1354696644 743267 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I explain it confusingly? < 1354696665 107166 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1354696738 138411 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't think of a non-boring solution :-/ < 1354696903 344222 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Distributed Befunge: a shared Funge-Space into which all programs are written, every new writer gets a random storage offset and starting position; if collisions happen, problems ensue. < 1354696912 352652 :evincar!~jon@173-228-13-253.dsl.static.sonic.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354696930 499053 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"deal with it" < 1354696945 680100 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1354697002 915359 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354697025 173551 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354697048 950974 :greyooze!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354697060 470976 :greyooze!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, where was I < 1354697077 938944 :greyooze!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah, the shared space idea has merit, I like that < 1354697218 582365 :greyooze!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, idea: < 1354697221 234070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How well do you think it would work to output the number of activated loads or total pressure of a noit o' mnain worb as a audio signal? < 1354697297 764492 :greyooze!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter for communistlang keeps track of the last code it was asked to run. The next code you supply it must be a purely additive diff from the previous < 1354697323 464159 :greyooze!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, you could assign different tones to the loads < 1354697387 684153 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :greyooze: Yes you could do that too, I suppose, how well would that work? < 1354697425 807206 :greyooze!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but it sounds like it would be fun to find out! < 1354697457 815779 :greyooze!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps total pressure controls the volume? < 1354697515 372013 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1354697532 280512 :greyooze!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1354697556 837827 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A puddle of ooze springs up and assembles itself into a knight!) < 1354697635 613215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a distributed something conversation here a few years back. (But that's all I remember of it.) < 1354697683 442809 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Somebody used the word 'distributed' once. That's all I know." :o) < 1354697834 406486 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354697890 208740 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, it needs to be easy to compose new code on top of the old < 1354697922 893437 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I guess need to handle command-line args easily since doubtless lots of them will be used < 1354697944 853933 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Swiss-army-knife" programs tend to end up that way! < 1354697960 341053 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically this is busybox writ large :-D < 1354698375 126825 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354698854 811205 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354698957 770273 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354699406 269275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what was that message splitting script you used < 1354699427 938164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/script load splitlong.pl ? < 1354699430 219278 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that isn't autowrap. i know this because i'm using autowrap < 1354699526 954983 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitlong.pl, yes. < 1354699643 638254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, it's pretty much equivalent to autowrap, except it does the splitting on its own (instead of Text::Wrap) and has /set'able settings for the maximum length and what prefix/suffix to use for continuation lines, as well as the (sometimes misworking) automagical maximum length calculation. < 1354699809 617396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: /join #haskell-lens < 1354699815 527621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can learn lens! < 1354699826 265120 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::' < 1354699830 367569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :': < 1354699832 704873 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that really work ? < 1354699862 446063 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i decided to use autowrap because i didn't want to /set maximum length and i didn't want the misworking) < 1354699873 406470 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the does that really work ? was directed at lens < 1354699901 305338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Does Text::Wrap have any exciting edgecases? < 1354699928 321904 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: lens doesn't work at all < 1354699931 133027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry" < 1354700045 153495 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1354700135 466146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think Text::Wrap does anything particularly clever, or how well it handles edge cases. splitlong's custom splitting is pretty ad-hoc, it just splits at the rightmost " " character unless that would give a line shorter than maxlen/10+4 character, in which case it just splits at maxlen even in mid-word. < 1354700184 213933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Can't you make a perfect version? < 1354700198 894746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know what else I'd need. < 1354700214 731559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, autowrap seems to have a "autowrap: unable to split long line. sent as-is" special case, but I don't know if that ever fires. < 1354700232 621762 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens if Text::Wrap returns a line longer than what has been requested. < 1354700311 464293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the documentation, that never happens. < 1354700456 53553 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354700791 207499 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354700976 176675 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any emulators that faithfully emulate a CPU such that, it can emulate a Pentium well enough to be vulnerable to f00f? < 1354701038 911271 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think f00f was a bug because the Pentium didn't successfully emulate a Pentium < 1354701060 711971 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354701372 911263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354702467 603746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354703514 382111 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Phantom_Hoover did you see the updates? < 1354703519 487784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354705576 218053 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354705576 290970 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354705576 291109 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354705659 633102 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354707153 5440 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354707562 764155 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354708126 228528 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354708147 173161 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354708147 245755 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354708202 277370 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354709282 22698 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354709377 734425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354709575 194409 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354709635 5111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Which script should I use. :( < 1354709698 762475 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used splitlong. < 1354709722 386050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/script load splitlong.pl < 1354709729 325500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it just works" elliott!! < 1354709750 942841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work if you don't have it! < 1354709760 659026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it comes with it. < 1354709770 447703 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does? < 1354709775 492428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it did for me! < 1354709784 929474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it doesn't work if you have a cloak. < 1354709789 324284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess elliott doesn't use Debian. < 1354709801 310939 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, it appears to on Arch at least. < 1354709802 39603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ dpkg-query -L irssi | grep -i split < 1354709802 113321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/share/irssi/scripts/splitlong.pl < 1354709805 128828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'll be. < 1354709808 690432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidity uses Debian. < 1354709814 761691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I hear it doesn't work if you have a cloak. < 1354709819 938926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also its splitting sounds ad-hoc! Is Text::Wrap ad hoc? < 1354709840 620196 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not any better, if that's what you mean. < 1354709867 648490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not have the same per-ten-plus-four rule, but that's about it. < 1354709883 357418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still "split at spaces, or if there are no spaces, just split at maximum width". < 1354709916 208688 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Arch package only includes the .tar.bz2 from irssi.org so presumably it does come with it. < 1354710016 640583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you should use schlong.irc. It's the ircII script for a trüe warrior. < 1354710025 569650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://packetstorm.foofus.com/irc/scripts/schlong.irc there's one version right there. < 1354710062 878110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just look at that stuff. < 1354710080 298599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You did ask a generic question about "which script".) < 1354710224 967234 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :who else still uses ircII? < 1354710286 197030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the /mircwar commands are the greatest. "/cmosbomb - CMOS bomb. Probably the worst of them all, this bomb overwrites the CMOS of the victim's PC and replaces it with absolute crap. This often causes dataloss, hardware configuration loss, permanent BIOS damage, permanent mouse damage, and other problems." (It tries to DCC-send some bad heavy-metal poetry with the file name CLOCK$.) < 1354710291 760763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think this might be the most 90s file on the internet. < 1354710306 239968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it < 1354710336 586627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"coal shoved into my skull - the time of beasts - a time to raise the mind plants seeds of time defined within my loathsome eye - the is black of rage - red." < 1354710340 44191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it sends. < 1354710346 741063 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it include winnuke? < 1354710348 84732 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I abbreviated it a bit.) < 1354710374 288402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias netcum { < 1354710374 466835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ([$0]) { < 1354710374 540246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eval msg $0 $ctcpstring < 1354710374 540409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :}{ < 1354710374 540533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :secho Usage: /NETCUM <nick>. Attempts to crash a netcom user. < 1354710376 764112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :}} < 1354710387 488543 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1354710391 838208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Well, it uses an external $nuke_pgm. < 1354710411 520182 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1354710442 471305 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :back when ircII was actually used... < 1354710469 433240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /quote PRIVMSG $0 :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1354710469 557534 :soundnfury!~edward@cpc36-cmbg15-2-0-cust160.5-4.cable.virginmedia.com QUIT :Excess Flood < 1354710473 426891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /quote PRIVMSG $0 :USERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFOUSERINFO < 1354710477 404745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /quote PRIVMSG $0 :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1354710477 620128 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see an +++ATH0 ping, but it could just have been obfuscamated. < 1354710481 467921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /quote PRIVMSG $0 :VERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERS < 1354710485 532566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSIONVERSION < 1354710488 484296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /quote PRIVMSG $0 :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1354710492 478166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /quote PRIVMSG $0 :SEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSEDSED < 1354710492 551273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was also very a popular thing to do those days. < 1354710496 499924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : /quote PRIVMSG $0 :PINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPINGPING < 1354710500 429959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly great functionality < 1354710504 699808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ([$poopy]==[zmodem]) < 1354710512 652378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can do it with ping -p too.) < 1354710514 515080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : timer 3 //^topic #^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ DiE mIRC BiTCH - schlOng < 1354710521 934921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ < 1354710536 840240 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that messed uo my curses so bad < 1354710539 110561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Usage: /VAXKILL <nick>. Works on VAX 1.7.3 users." wow < 1354710567 53980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^assign BOOMSTR ECHO ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ BooM We ArE RoXiN jo0 AsS ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ < 1354710573 103666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ ¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥¥ < 1354710579 758799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is art < 1354710581 624633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The "vax killer" is also /ctcp $0 action says hello. < 1354710592 951849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : secho Neato yet sometimes annoying jumping status logo is now $schroll\. < 1354710617 732926 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should check if my schlong version is newer or later. I think it had some admonishments at top about how it is strictly forbidden to distribute it to "lamers". < 1354710622 826690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If I can still find it.) < 1354710637 214372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this script is basically what I imagine EFNet to still be like < 1354710685 711135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are also all those things targeted to users of different scripts. < 1354710782 571423 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the eval ^if's at the very end; those are to detect if you've loaded an inferior script before loading schlong; it quits if that has happened. < 1354710814 473554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find schlong.irc. :/ < 1354710822 445816 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which might be sensible given the invasive nature of these kinds of scripts? < 1354710834 901313 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that that's necessarily the reason.) < 1354710913 600016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen that /topicflood live. < 1354710939 590073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It updates the topic on every on-channel message/notice, to that message's contents. < 1354710950 434275 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the point of it is. < 1354711009 819491 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354711095 376234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Well, not since "quit" here means "actually /quit IRC with an author-disparaging message". < 1354711112 96131 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, then not. < 1354711135 694504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are nine pages of "hacking scripts" in this /crahd/♣ Hacking ♣/cd5hack/Hacking/irc/scripts/ folder of this weird Polish file-sharing site. < 1354711152 720269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :♣ Hacking ♣ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354711227 136765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also in the comments of "furricane"'s "Whiskerino 2009" profile someone is proud of "hav[ing] my nickname mentioned in the schlong.irc (war) script". < 1354711298 702561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if EFnet is still like this. < 1354711302 420150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would kind of guess no. < 1354711313 184106 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one channel I'm on isn't. < 1354711323 410537 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe the sample size is too small. < 1354711431 760962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you get tired of schlong.irc, you can continue by inspecting all the scripts of ftp://igor.onlinedirect.bg/packetstorm/irc/scripts/ -- though judging from the file size, schlong seems to be the biggest thing. < 1354711450 817994 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it's also the most famous, given that even I had heard of it?) < 1354711471 260522 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those are gzipped, and also tarballs. < 1354711482 205370 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or zipped. < 1354711600 962407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's true. < 1354711669 97666 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The biggest one of those, osbx1c.tgz, is 295 K when unpacked. Although the tarball is bigger; GNU tar complains about "lone zero block at 940". < 1354711774 309151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems very professionally done. < 1354711774 626301 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354711779 854395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a README.FIRST and all. < 1354711855 999832 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354711877 68294 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :940 * 512 is the size of the tarball, so I guess there's just a nowadays-improper ending. < 1354711877 231228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :README.SECOND < 1354711919 702827 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess tarballs just pad small files; I didn't know that. < 1354711981 986479 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a quine < 1354711995 611762 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, does it count as a quine if it doesn't print unless you put it on the repl? < 1354712028 172053 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's a non-repl possibility and it's not a quine there, it counts as a repl-only quine. < 1354712053 451446 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :((fn [s] (list s (list (quote quote) s))) (quote (fn [s] (list s (list (quote quote) s))))) < 1354712073 221536 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can safely say I learned how typical quines work, I think < 1354712186 924704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((lambda (x) (list x (list quote x))) (quote (lambda (x) (list x (list quote x))))) < 1354712219 540483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess (quote quote) is actually what you want there. I seem to recall a more elegant phrasing... < 1354712410 950158 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a language with good semiquotes I'd imagine it could be written a lot more cleanly < 1354712994 995790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(let ((p '(lambda (q) `(let ((p ',q)) ((eval p) p))))) ((eval p) p)) ; I made this just now, I suppose it's also kinda typical. < 1354713148 822285 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a good example of an atypical quine? < 1354713170 55003 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe something in an esoteric language where the typical quine patterns don't work as well? < 1354713503 426607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (aS(:^)S):^ < 1354713503 750096 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aS(:^)S):^ < 1354713511 597043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any quine discussion needs a typical Underload quiine. < 1354713528 128419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:aSS):aSS < 1354713528 374437 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS < 1354713540 140971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to avoid the ass. < 1354713553 973756 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:^) < 1354714515 361567 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354714539 46199 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354714659 851827 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :";'D2/';abc+y1{2u$$u'D2/>:#,_@"; < 1354714775 949515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354714887 966669 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354714967 962955 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354715147 78496 :micahjohnston!~micahjohn@ell.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :repl-only quine is best quine < 1354715193 232022 :micahjohnston!~micahjohn@ell.io PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap(++)show"ap(++)show" < 1354715195 181022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ap(++)show\"ap(++)show\"" < 1354715566 723795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354715575 713880 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354716308 29864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354716342 686820 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :";'D2/';abc+y2+1{u'D2/>:#,_@"; a bit nicer and shorter < 1354716442 808474 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 < 1354716468 553439 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (What language?) < 1354716470 390120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Funge. < 1354716471 947818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :98? < 1354716533 876147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With those semicolons, must be. < 1354716682 118893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc+y for the stack size, though... I don't think I've used y once. < 1354716802 386160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that whole 1{u deal; man, Deewiant's code is so 98y. < 1354717195 398879 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354717323 79517 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I couldn't think of a 93 pg-less way of reversing the stack. :-P < 1354717417 364321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or walking the (almost) whole program from east to west inside " nicely. < 1354717449 495173 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I figured I'd smite y'all with some proper 98. < 1354717533 978432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm smotten. < 1354717659 487134 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Befunge-98 specifically, though, since it uses 2 instead of the appropriate y spell. < 1354717674 558739 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was lazy there. < 1354717793 748331 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-96.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354717808 600837 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-96.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1354718179 512813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: <> #"....." ? < 1354718388 662337 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's decent. It misses 4 chars but that's probably as good as it gets. < 1354718470 335916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354718600 732767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :r #"...." if you want to dip very shallowly into the 98 pool. < 1354718645 72096 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354718713 949692 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354718717 239893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or ? #"...." which would give you a 93-quine that works only if you're lucky. < 1354718772 717899 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :r brings it down to 3, but up to 98 again. < 1354719011 379592 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354719085 13840 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mentioned r already. Sorry, I'm on my phone and thus managed to miss it. < 1354719245 830466 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, I got an email from someone telling me not to be mean about BF derivatives. < 1354719387 428340 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can be mean about second derivatives < 1354719392 617343 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Hessians < 1354719812 642421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just don't be mean about a BF Jacobian. < 1354719967 912120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: was it urban muller < 1354719970 792960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1354719981 844685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about some other urban miller? < 1354720002 156156 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354720052 179650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although they do seem to think my hate of BF derivatives comes from a hatred of Brainfuck. < 1354720065 182680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There's an esolang better than BF, it's called INTERCAL. If we all made INTERCAL derivatives, would you hate us?" < 1354720201 272559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It almost sounds like they were trying to pull the Words on you. < 1354720222 625052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Hold! What you are doing to us is wrong! Why do you do this thing?" "Alien, you have spoken the Words, and you have spoken them rightly. We will tell you our reasons why we enslave all other sentient life.") < 1354720223 15352 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1354720235 122527 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1354720241 928497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after i explain can i kill them < 1354720242 511090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a Star Control 2 thing. < 1354720250 210805 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it would be keeping in character. < 1354720250 707576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know that! < 1354720267 150025 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just making sure. < 1354720278 237727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also don't the kohr-ah say something different < 1354720327 389199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE WORDS!... the Words... the words alien, you have spoken the Words. You have spoken them rightly. We will explain to you about the Dnyarri our slavemasters the Taalo, our only friends... whom we exterminated and our reasons why we cleanse the galaxy of all other sentient life." < 1354720353 392908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They'd kind of have to say something at least slightly different, seeing that they're not in the enslavement business. < 1354720421 116561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaning more towards the kohr-ah methodology here < 1354720443 691210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you certainly don't want any BF-derivative-liking slaves. < 1354720562 694151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can explain your dislike of BF derivatives to them better, and then close with: "You have heard our words, and perhaps now you understand us a bit better. But now, it is time for us to cleanse you." < 1354720566 791585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd only be good for making bf derivatives < 1354720567 104493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And then kill them.) < 1354720833 811698 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell atriq Oi, your my blog is getting me hatemail. < 1354720834 48796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354720862 210927 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354721699 150460 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-300.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354722511 231707 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354724415 295785 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354724663 925855 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354725145 738399 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well apparently you've done your job wrong < 1354725153 588011 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1354725169 563425 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by having 'them' believe it's brainfuck your hate < 1354725207 304440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not trying to educate them, just instill fear < 1354725234 553766 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354725238 325880 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, carry on < 1354725251 381026 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what they say < 1354725260 635608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care what they say! < 1354725267 104460 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get a whole galaxy's faith through fear < 1354725278 102903 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to give them a choice! < 1354725321 313715 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's what they tried to explain to the Ori but so far their "adore us or die" strategy has been working pretty well < 1354725399 59486 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw do you brainbrick underload-derivative authors as well? < 1354725425 113021 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many underload derivatives are there < 1354725553 669064 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Chris Pressey just made one < 1354725575 537638 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Negative three < 1354725658 406628 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354725945 795250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, is it an instruction substitution or does it add like 2 new instructions for forking or something < 1354725968 644613 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weeeeeeell I'm not familiar with underload < 1354725999 303859 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but from what I understand, it substitutes sequences of three bits for underload instructions < 1354726159 847735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh < 1354726162 418491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey < 1354726163 43420 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354726988 709957 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354726988 823574 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354726988 823718 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354727205 303609 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354727446 156367 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354728030 261310 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354729236 818855 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354729935 739617 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354730054 241478 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heeeey, who nixed my wonderful log URL :( < 1354730358 306034 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354730584 373558 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nixer < 1354730858 393083 :shurup!~shurup@217.118.90.24 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354731008 461891 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :♣ Hacking ♣ http://5z8.info/turkeyporn_o4u1vn_molotovcocktail#gobblegobble < 1354731092 790021 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354731242 335718 :shurup!~shurup@217.118.90.24 QUIT :Quit: Ухожу я от вас (xchat 2.4.5 или старше) < 1354731777 262302 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354732027 813846 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354732046 887919 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354732046 959218 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354732228 904480 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354732453 121243 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354733642 727562 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354733816 383260 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354734002 521500 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354734317 24786 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354734573 91297 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca NICK :zzo38 < 1354735110 172714 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354735316 978127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please example of Expload < 1354736071 860476 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354737128 868010 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354737328 131894 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354737774 226718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know that it is possible to rewrite a constant in Csound? < 1354737989 177531 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound: 1300 opcodes? < 1354738047 640126 :MiJyn!~MiJyn@unaffiliated/mijyn QUIT :Quit: Konversation terminated! < 1354738177 807339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rapido: More than that, I think. < 1354738221 314820 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354738233 112436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since I have added some, too. < 1354738285 144582 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, opcodes that are run by a virtual machine? < 1354738369 666922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, like that. < 1354738416 763955 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354738420 387522 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does the community decide that a new opcode should be part of the vm? < 1354738460 845457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are written in plugins. < 1354738588 269705 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the execution model: data flow? < 1354738629 875536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is three execution models: score, i-rate, and k-rate. < 1354738730 897300 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The score tells it what instrument to play, and then the i-rated opcodes run, and then it runs in the k-rated loops during performance. < 1354738784 77617 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the lag must be minimal < 1354738810 644508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is used with real-time then, yes it must be. But, it can be operated without real-time, too. < 1354738872 693804 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's interesting about Csound - programming language wise? < 1354738901 731586 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it esoteric ? < 1354738934 354246 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354738987 454160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I implement a plugin for Proce esolang, then I guess so. < 1354739091 992371 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :… reading on proce < 1354739139 835757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I may also implement plugin for noit o' mnain worb. < 1354739192 453598 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this plugin stuff feels like cheating! < 1354739274 350727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many things can also be implemented using Csound itself, although it the program is large it can make it very slow. < 1354739423 752461 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Csound make sure that plugins are well behaved? < 1354739446 690234 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :(guess not if you allow proce as a plugin) < 1354739845 759895 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Quit: rapido < 1354739915 157836 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354739981 773942 :rapido!~rapido@37-251-35-26.FTTH.ispfabriek.nl QUIT :Client Quit < 1354740433 738600 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354740629 621672 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354740889 797356 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1354740897 997593 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are me and Sgeo actually getting into a war about this? < 1354740920 43649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354740967 961335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :War about what? < 1354741068 60872 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck updates < 1354741100 786084 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1354741172 967762 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354741189 874685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354741941 188161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote The reason it isn't more popular is because I wrote it today. < 1354741944 464284 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864) The reason it isn't more popular is because I wrote it today. < 1354742284 87551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it more popular now than it was then? < 1354742304 110435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i think it's still today. < 1354742311 499588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a bit early to ask. < 1354742511 655164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : "coal shoved into my skull - the time of beasts - a time to raise the mind plants seeds of time defined within my loathsome eye - the is black of rage - red." < 1354742515 451122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dog. owner. < 1354742532 527199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what do you mean it was a quote) < 1354742660 598249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did elliott actually crash soundnfury's irc client in the logs. < 1354742676 828170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there might be rules against that. or something. < 1354742828 291248 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-92-175.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354742855 838160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, maybe soundnfury actually tried that command elliott pasted, in which case i guess it's karma. < 1354742876 314209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what do you mean, it may have been coincidence? no such thing!) < 1354742882 772227 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-92-175.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad I'm parsing the topic in terms of Homestuck shipping? < 1354742902 357194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask me, i'm not into homestuck < 1354742907 546187 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354742925 878613 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that was actually my first instinct too <_<; < 1354743047 234497 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-92-175.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1354743055 936755 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-92-175.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you ever followed me back on Tumblr? < 1354743235 954204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What's a good example of an atypical quine? < 1354743242 838891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my /// one, of course. < 1354743269 562506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :underload just makes it _too_ easy. < 1354743301 275213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : > ap(++)show"ap(++)show" < 1354743371 779954 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-92-175.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (++)<*>show"(++)<*>show" < 1354743373 227934 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `b0 -> b0' < 1354743373 306786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `GHC.... < 1354743392 574842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ap(++)show"ap(++)show" < 1354743394 533115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ap(++)show\"ap(++)show\"" < 1354743406 972031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1354743423 63469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$ap(++)show"var$ap(++)show" < 1354743424 851523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : var$ap(++)show"var$ap(++)show" < 1354743478 74669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$ap(++)show"> var$ap(++)show" < 1354743479 957982 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : > var$ap(++)show"> var$ap(++)show" < 1354743515 176126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where ?where < 1354743515 413922 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where ?where < 1354743716 821077 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-92-175.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354743937 573367 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :<> #"75*:1-\:3-::+2-:2->:#,_37+:3*4+,,@" that there Befunge-93 < 1354743984 164612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!befunge <> #"75*:1-\:3-::+2-:2->:#,_37+:3*4+,,@" < 1354743986 708417 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​<> #"75*:1-\:3-::+2-:2->:#,_37+:3*4+,,@" < 1354744149 872429 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer the -98 version :-P < 1354744459 846531 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354744521 133792 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :";'D2/';a7y5*d+y7y+1{u'D2/>:#,_@"; dimension-generic now. < 1354744877 239107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :yyy. < 1354744922 949730 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The third y saves a character in total. < 1354744961 475804 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I the only one who sees https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Snaps/20121205-vr-mainos.png as a... sort-of inappropriate ad? < 1354744988 316646 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The alternative is : after the first y and y+1- instead of y7y+) < 1354744997 155359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't know that language. < 1354745010 807000 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think he meant the picture. < 1354745019 891151 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: It's Finnish; but I just meant the image, right. < 1354745041 841605 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see your point but I'm not sure I would've noticed if you hadn't mentioned it, so it's not that bad IMO. < 1354745094 884066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Csound plugin to interpret noit o' mnain worb. I added two extensions, being ; for comments and ? for a negative load. < 1354745098 799172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I suppose it's more me than the ad, then. < 1354745114 917136 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1354745144 826515 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can list that implementation if you want to. < 1354745512 897540 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :today starring... < 1354745656 374768 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getaway in Finland http://youtu.be/VrZ9_H1qXxg < 1354745738 296146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :aload, apressure, abobules worb Sfilename, xfreq, xsource, xsink, [imaxpressure], [iexponent], [iskip] < 1354746288 19165 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.193 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354746395 791693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any highlights? That's like half an hour. < 1354746759 209794 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The guy uses the turn signals. :-D < 1354746785 351861 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing spectacular at least up to 33:44, just a standard chase. < 1354746847 759464 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The roads seem to be getting smaller and smaller, judging from the thumbnails. < 1354747152 56183 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354747246 493649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw, the guy in the back seemed so disappointed for the last second or so. < 1354747320 369235 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :36:57 (on radio) “Can you give your whereabouts?” “I wish I knew.” The Finnish police run a professional operation. < 1354747573 165819 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354747754 625120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354748642 939362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354749232 951188 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1354749877 33313 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.9.193 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354749945 732966 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354750489 338810 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354750946 425694 :megalinux!~megalinux@177.174.78.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354750973 926375 :d70!~Diagnosti@unaffiliated/d70 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354751186 741084 :megalinux!~megalinux@177.174.78.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello i'm from brazil you's peak portuguese ? < 1354751318 581032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me, i don't know if anyone else here does < 1354751373 598359 :megalinux!~megalinux@177.174.78.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :peak please :( < 1354751388 759428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know portuguese < 1354751407 470703 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354751460 758196 :megalinux!~megalinux@177.174.78.83 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :D i'm orrible en inglish :( < 1354751567 618408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh i tried /list *-pt but it seems to list all channels :( < 1354751574 711318 :megalinux!~megalinux@177.174.78.83 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354751704 639683 :d70!~Diagnosti@unaffiliated/d70 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1354752460 11150 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354753875 894702 :cuwauwi!~cuwauwi@201-14-174-84.jvece702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br JOIN :#esoteric < 1354753935 982655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another brazilian? < 1354754066 252453 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Racist! < 1354754070 325055 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome cuwauwi < 1354754075 476509 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuwauwi: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354754091 896942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hattist! < 1354754267 157181 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Istist! < 1354754350 94853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antidisestablishmentarianist! < 1354754476 636825 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1354754501 907198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't _have_ to stop breathing while reading the word, you know < 1354754540 381749 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the Anglican church /must/ be separated from the crown! < 1354754636 102959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Queen will _not_ be amused. < 1354754733 901530 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354754762 727031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, you've confused the bots again! < 1354755017 658045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a little known fact that the anglican church is actually one of the central structural components of the crown < 1354755045 30236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't separate it, all the jewels will fall of and it would flop around like a blancmange < 1354755067 858420 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wm blancmange < 1354755068 514865 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "blancmange" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1354755068 671227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blancmange < 1354755068 744298 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: sweet almond-flavored milk pudding thickened with gelatin < 1354755068 744455 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or cornstarch; usually molded < 1354755079 186513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1354755085 494379 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly oerjan surely you've heard of the blancmange curve < 1354755123 626028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed i have. just now in fact < 1354755147 628802 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst mathematician? < 1354755230 511621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it does look similar to some stuff (weierstrass curve?) < 1354755399 37218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh that triangle sum looks _very_ familiar. i think it was the very curve i was trying to convince someone else was nowhere differentiable in my first university year or so < 1354755602 50029 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354755634 691844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was a better mathematician than him, but he was a better programmer/hacker < 1354755682 626896 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354755799 833545 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354755834 394396 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354756124 749044 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354756133 227188 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi peeps < 1354756140 505265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome gasoline < 1354756143 220825 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasoline: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354756152 147394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(everyone be careful with the matches) < 1354756153 58983 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, (it occurs to me that it's only obvious that the blancmange is non-differentiable on a countable subset of [0,1]) < 1354756156 732639 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :no thanks HackEgo < 1354756184 392834 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you peeps got bizar bots < 1354756208 399097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reason for HackEgo and EgoBot both existing is admittedly pretty confusing < 1354756215 548498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still not sure i understand < 1354756220 428406 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1354756235 532755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^echo I'm bizarre too! < 1354756235 783077 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bizarre too! I'm bizarre too! < 1354756244 914251 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: a-ha < 1354756250 888516 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but fungot is deliberately bizarre < 1354756251 483493 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: definition if universe and if/ what is responsible for a unix box somewhere < 1354756285 134642 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the kosmos orignate from order or disorder / chaos < 1354756303 401304 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accept plausible < 1354756328 23481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is gasoline a markov bot too < 1354756328 249882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it both? < 1354756343 469438 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ? < 1354756355 147735 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :make it plausible and i agree < 1354756355 221051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my vote: yes < 1354756376 187097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yeah i think my argument may have been a bit non-rigorous < 1354756418 61861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, i guess you can go from "nondifferentiable in a dense subset" to "nowhere differentiable" pretty quickly with the actual definitions < 1354756437 357834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i'm not going to be on that either way < 1354756439 647786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bet < 1354756445 873789 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354756485 112215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((I am programmable too! )S:^):^ < 1354756485 477396 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I am programmable too! I ...too much output! < 1354756493 936745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1354756494 504048 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw i still don't get it just because i use it for screen??? < 1354756510 517125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, fungot. just because you use it for screen < 1354756511 28642 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but eventually, you start depending on eval order, you can do < 1354756558 477507 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :markov chains sure are chatty folk, wouldn't you agree, fungot < 1354756559 374996 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: rather than after trying rewind on it purely from the perspective of someone who has a javascript-based search form he tries to trick humans into making losing bargains, just like in doom < 1354756570 867822 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what < 1354756580 362303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reminded of Gregor's (?) horrible tome of eval puns < 1354756585 603364 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1354756585 897489 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1354756598 995899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style iwcs < 1354756599 414887 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: iwcs (Irregular Webcomic scripts) < 1354756616 728614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think i've seen fungot with this style < 1354756617 333688 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, of the house, so he wasn't joking i don't bolivia! something that might help us get a healer < 1354756637 106989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't bolivia either < 1354756651 182689 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, i think i prefer the homestuck < 1354756651 841552 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but, but... that's not a fish. it's a lump of rock! we didn't give any thought the guys at nasa has fast-tracked a prototype deep has held out well, a funny thing happened on a real. how come they are, since i heard the news from the east of paris. made of plaster < 1354756653 65086 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it in anyones intentions to make sense ? < 1354756660 744679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasoline: rarely < 1354756661 722967 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354756671 506217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME gasoline < 1354756674 961768 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GASOLINE: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN! 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(FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1354756676 555661 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a babble pot written in befunge < 1354756680 18813 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1354756680 379746 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1354756680 669145 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1354756700 628606 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha HackEgo < 1354756711 487240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1354756714 963731 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1354756719 967337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1354756722 190535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1354756723 229577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1354756723 571403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1354756725 870781 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri < 1354756738 992218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1354756741 455462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1354756741 996708 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1354756745 416720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1354756747 55317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1354756750 1342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: final space problem < 1354756750 518548 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1354756750 934346 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri < 1354756763 984207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wait what < 1354756773 342415 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian. < 1354756788 928736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: if you tab complete a nick it gives a final space. `? distinguishes that from without. < 1354756807 585647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh < 1354756820 230994 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, that's not a lie < 1354756828 757246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? FireFly < 1354756830 383201 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what isn't? < 1354756831 915397 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1354756836 142067 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your line < 1354756860 721409 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this seriously a whole irc bot written in befunge < 1354756865 720223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354756874 221088 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was compiled from something else < 1354756875 428801 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1354756878 230577 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me it was < 1354756885 584197 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be boring < 1354756900 695255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot is written in Befunge? < 1354756910 90643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf didn't know? < 1354756918 262400 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse to believe a human wrote this < 1354756920 585358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, not as far as i know, and it doesn't look like it is < 1354756923 294958 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was common knowledge? < 1354756924 154837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Nope. < 1354756931 882375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one ever told me! < 1354756933 175152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Bike refuses to believe you are human < 1354756940 93715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean there are comments and everything < 1354756941 509479 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry fizzie, i have principles < 1354756957 605328 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie just passed the anti-Turing test? < 1354756971 927713 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, or failed perhaps < 1354756974 204018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "We have lambdabot here too!" < 1354756975 700241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "We have lambdabot here too!" < 1354756978 466832 :cherep_!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354756991 502822 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is haskell, right < 1354757006 322559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354757024 62189 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you. < 1354757060 160237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That's not the proper way to address lambdabot. < 1354757063 158792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thank you < 1354757063 236751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: thank you thanks < 1354757065 977752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1354757066 997710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thx < 1354757067 139587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1354757087 917017 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thanks < 1354757088 73928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1354757093 548057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo and EgoBot are both sandboxed linux environment thingies < 1354757107 796419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I run commands as root on HackEgo? < 1354757108 492493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: you are here too! < 1354757109 328986 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6bf800-88.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why do you think I am here too!? < 1354757121 422987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you can _try_... < 1354757127 14127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1354757129 348923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1354757131 169468 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: you are a bot < 1354757134 339649 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@dsl-olubrasgw2-fe6bf800-88.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Perhaps you would like me to be a bot. < 1354757139 65806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1354757141 879904 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thanks, lambdabot < 1354757142 35708 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1354757142 742132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1354757161 348930 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1354757163 233665 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1354757164 183304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1354757166 336581 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1354757184 645342 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of turing tests, quick poll, raise your hand if you're actually an ELIZA script < 1354757218 994027 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :An ELIZA script would turn that into a question < 1354757223 936778 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no, I am not < 1354757227 713850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION raises hand < 1354757235 258436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you feel about actually being an ELIZA script? < 1354757239 508124 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, you fail the eliza test oerjan < 1354757240 121732 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo $PWD < 1354757242 11023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is SHRDLU < 1354757242 410917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$PWD < 1354757247 952557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PWD < 1354757248 191847 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PWD < 1354757250 827989 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1354757256 337941 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop being me, shachaf < 1354757259 194706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run id -a < 1354757262 125712 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uid=5000 gid=227965 < 1354757262 296277 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what is the color of the pyramid on the green block < 1354757268 307107 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora, noted < 1354757271 69369 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv < 1354757274 894175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can we have root access to HackEgo? < 1354757281 420814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sandboxed, right? < 1354757320 377554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354757335 81362 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls | xargs < 1354757338 551989 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin canary foo karma lib paste quotes share wisdom zalgo.hs < 1354757363 608097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :| xargs? < 1354757369 824340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the same thing as echo $(ls)? < 1354757380 28093 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I guess < 1354757392 452584 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think xargs is meant to be a safe version that deals with quotation and stuff < 1354757400 837513 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since shell is kind of. chaotic < 1354757433 659701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pft. < 1354757438 40416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been using | fmt -w500 or thereabouts for HackEgo < 1354757458 665605 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :| xargs is just a lazy way to get everything on one line < 1354757474 37129 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, xargs has proper uses too < 1354757474 115334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1354757477 162499 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1354757482 789019 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, neat < 1354757507 27019 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH < 1354757510 21222 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1354757572 466907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'print "Broken I think"' < 1354757576 722556 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1354757604 306959 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1354757606 995374 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ No \ WELCOME \ WeLcOmE \ addquote \ addquotee \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ delquotee \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ google \ hatesgeo \ hi \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ pastlog \ ping < 1354757791 926822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know that? < 1354757817 205190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :know what? < 1354757824 964651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xargs with no args? < 1354757835 478988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's convenient < 1354757911 94046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: fungot is written in Befunge. < 1354757912 7400 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh, there's a sign, maybe. it's the only country with a specific law against walking up the path! wranglin' giant reptiles. in the background < 1354758021 415310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354758024 20075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know that either < 1354758028 877341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1354758029 304757 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, i don't know what they're up here while dad and i know, the guy who does the opposite of normal software engineering we've seen you before in cyberspace. this patch of light a star. they're too uncouth point, followed by the gerund if necessary, bein' dead on flimsy premise. the characters exchanged jokes about it amidst unresolved sexual tension. < 1354758106 314575 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever wrote fungot is insane. funges are hard. < 1354758106 749515 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :SingingBoyo: are you sure the technology! come about fer what purpose, ye scurvy creature! it's killed kyros and lambert, a travelling merchant, practised with bow, can i make new laws on the books, is now carting around two wannabe scientists are still growing! they look, let me pick something of it, fast, highly technological terror you've constructed. the ability to be captured a spanish galleon! arrr!! < 1354758108 513801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressive < 1354758165 794005 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fast, highly technological terror you've constructed" < 1354758200 854973 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1354758201 143122 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs* jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1354758202 784274 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lens/travis-cabal-apt-install uses xargs for that. < 1354758230 259911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That's not the first time f​ungot has said that. < 1354758230 667370 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you! shall not! parse! enjoying the easy life at the expense of the artwork, and if the thermal exhaust port gets hit... i should join the dark side, the snakes, and 9... < 1354758243 322117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, FireFly: < 1354758254 59748 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1354758323 290956 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1354758323 610387 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1354758330 128889 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: speak your mind < 1354758330 670546 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: avril lavigne could be wrong. this website is pretty good for about 10 seconds and then i jizz in my pants. great job < 1354758338 451064 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1354758354 617628 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefly: that's what you get for going with youtube < 1354758379 896448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f​ungot < 1354758394 515404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :befungot < 1354758394 984665 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what/ why are you, stop looking for the movie. < 1354758785 706329 :gasoline!~partisan@5ED28E0D.cm-7-3c.dynamic.ziggo.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354759814 864613 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354759857 553299 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Comment on appelle un mec qui pilote un avion ? < 1354760011 63214 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354761659 915848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot! < 1354761660 399335 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: haha jt shaking his head. and bullet time? < 1354761675 970502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot! fun..got! < 1354761676 506055 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: nothing to do some break, but computers have no theory, you really that hard for you. he's a pretend christian. his brother is a fake? < 1354761899 141017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: great job < 1354761899 614028 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i guess, possibly to the person who feels sick after watching this kind of " mental instability". too much, the docks, the history channel on modern marvels, they always bring him back as a result of very poor research. < 1354761963 227917 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style iwcs < 1354761963 615290 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: iwcs (Irregular Webcomic scripts) < 1354761971 749467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1354761972 64137 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1354761976 158973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ! < 1354761976 970489 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: published fnord 1936 in astounding stories, vol. 13, p. fnord. prop... fnord... < 1354762021 389899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in college i used to collect old CRT monitors and have them in my room displaying markov chain output in that xscreensaver 'phosphor' mode, 24/7 < 1354762049 115425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had one that was trained on the holy books of the world's religions < 1354762061 11434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and another that was trained on the wikipedia talk pages regarding the world's religions < 1354762085 472264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the first one would proselytize continuously and the second one would conduct flamewars with itself < 1354762142 319973 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a meditation ritual < 1354763523 766886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc < 1354763566 954900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :spj wants YOU for G.H.C. army < 1354763639 115915 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1354764119 979359 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354764160 769154 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 NICK :Sgeo < 1354764478 103335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o rly < 1354764524 865021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/pipermail/haskell-cafe/2012-December/105041.html < 1354764583 324523 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( why does CentOS include an obsolete Mercurial? < 1354764640 215258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CentOS has exactly the same packages as the corresponding RHEL version < 1354764645 882602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want newer stuff you should add EPEL < 1354765010 343101 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could just compile and use Mercurial from source? < 1354765031 738194 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using obsolete is not an option -- I sort of copied all the stuff over from one machine to another < 1354765163 423940 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you using centos? < 1354765220 911147 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because not my choice, although I do have root access < 1354765375 440990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1354765388 347943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1354765423 429986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have root access, you have a choice. < 1354765696 751283 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long does it take for a caffeine addiction to develop? < 1354765712 863240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :About a week. < 1354765723 598196 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had one coffe on Monday and one on Tuesday, now I'm looking forward to having coffee on Thursday < 1354765751 251166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do you drink your coffee? < 1354765761 678510 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Around 11am < 1354765820 386386 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1100 drink coffee everyday < 1354766079 924309 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: jfischoff < 1354766714 856382 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354767572 354284 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354768284 386943 :jfischoff!~jfischoff@c-67-169-45-161.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354769324 778995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 1100 drink a 7-Eleven Double Gulp everyday < 1354769579 14415 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't doing that at 0711 make more sense? < 1354769606 282059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no because i am not awake then < 1354770012 660000 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354771055 585956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354771200 302165 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354771433 562724 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354771644 784389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A chess variant: The king is allowed to make a long move once per game. < 1354771680 223818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Castling does not count as this long move.) < 1354772633 89283 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1354774362 374065 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354776076 946586 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354778357 824177 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354778965 301993 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354779084 122965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354779172 748935 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354779280 789170 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354779349 831762 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1354779355 28412 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1354779484 618921 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354780073 137428 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was human. :/ :\ < 1354780159 3030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how silly of you < 1354780177 909319 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did I at least write you? < 1354780178 882205 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it was while struggling up the colossal spiral incline that we first encounter the permanent entry of the weird over the ancient eastern mind, and there was nothing anywhere but blackness and horror and silence and bones. < 1354780193 567037 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, are there tong-nou fans here? < 1354780209 400785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a tong-nou < 1354780210 500278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1354780270 619009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's CPR analysis? < 1354780283 946125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1354780284 253220 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft* nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1354780285 539533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, that was obvious.) < 1354780287 208111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, Constructed Product Result < 1354780305 467727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, "Construct Product Result"? < 1354780345 573040 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tong-nou is an obscure video game, i was just wondering because the phrase "eastern mind" doesn't come up in many other contexts (that aren't, like, racist orientalist shit, maybe?) < 1354780378 914250 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot knows many things < 1354780379 571182 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: published november 1923 in weird tales, vol. 45, no. 1, p. fnord. < 1354780400 147628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nethack < 1354780400 416936 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) < 1354780402 403801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fungot fungot < 1354780402 943580 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the secret of wands of nothing happens: try again! xander double ( grabbing the gun): a japanese flail. ( autolycus the rogue, from the dead body of a wand of undead turning might bring your dog. < 1354780416 779456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the secret of wands of nothing happens: try again! < 1354780422 161741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good advice < 1354780425 208547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot fungot fungot < 1354780425 789571 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, no one really subscribes to rec.games.roguelike.nethack. ' you have a hidden enchanted touch. we are fools" ( the rime of the days before he had still spent a deal of indian lore in his memory. ( prehistoric animals, and from the cemetery intimidates and disconcerts that which startled mrs. hall. it has become an accepted fact amongst the practitioners of the same fashion that a shimmering gold shield is not lik < 1354780431 231251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lovecraft could arguably be "racist orientalist shit". < 1354780474 808159 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if i'd call him orientalist, he went more the "evil hivemind" route than the "ancient Chinese wisdom" route < 1354780496 169436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What kind of settings did I use for this style? It's so incoherent. < 1354780496 507904 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thoth: the minotaur was a monster you'll have a hidden enchanted touch. < 1354780528 433385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f​ungot f​ungot f​ungot < 1354780534 230095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f​ungot f​ungot f​ungot f​ungot f​ungot < 1354780539 364524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi f​ungot < 1354780596 788592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems very interested in the hidden enchanted touch. < 1354780612 325120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi fungot < 1354780612 683664 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: most of the wild, hunters but hunters ever of the mazes. he created an empire in which they died and in the saddle, and at times the gods are happy when they take the back of the oligocene being 8 feet high, and i will eat them. < 1354780621 301441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f​ungot is a liar. < 1354780631 627370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how that ends. < 1354780663 280260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "them" is referring to the gods. < 1354780870 409386 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: eat gods < 1354780870 938490 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: marduk: first in the use of his seed unto molech, to the galaxy, by sucking the blood of sleeping persons.... thrice i filled the tub and emptied it. however, one would go endlessly along its twisting paths without ever finding the exit. ( excerpted from internet oracularity 576.6) < 1354780896 456993 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, those Internet Oracle answers are sometimes kinda weird. < 1354780898 452421 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty appropriate, I think. < 1354780928 770617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike Bike Bike < 1354780932 762806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should maybe add a style one of these days, I haven't done it in a long while. < 1354780945 297261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet oracle style? < 1354780970 390057 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, how about... gangnam style? HAHA so funny < 1354781008 558101 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :)()))))((()()()()(((()))()()())))(()((())( < 1354781037 207391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style gangnam < 1354781037 554934 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1354781047 930176 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit behind the times, there. < 1354781063 934025 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody here's seen the music video without music, right < 1354781100 245935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it actually the video without music or is it just redubbed with sound effects? < 1354781132 336943 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's redubbed to add sound effects, but it's pretty good < 1354781153 914749 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've yet to actually hear the song, whenever i'm tempted to I just go back and watch the music video instead. < 1354781797 69540 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1354781853 883455 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354781935 779955 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say something < 1354781936 158094 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: they say that a lembas wafer is a good way off from among his people; because he hath given of his face exposed excepting only his pink, peaked nose. it was overheard or repeated by an eight- pointed star. he is the best from their priesthood. < 1354781974 656282 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354781992 66679 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1354782037 790865 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lembas wafer is "a good way off"? interesting < 1354782456 459844 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354782580 71089 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354782664 81963 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ♥ Unicode < 1354782685 915245 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh my IRC client got confused by that :-) < 1354782701 154029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I � Unicode < 1354782711 787244 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I had another great idea for communist programming < 1354782717 585318 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1354782764 515301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome GreyKnight < 1354782765 188002 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integers are the workers of computing, but those hoity-toity objects take all the credit < 1354782777 357335 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354782781 417403 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if we throw out all the objects and give their methods/properties to integers instead? < 1354782800 162998 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354782807 372058 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I've been here a hundred times but thanks anyway :-P < 1354782841 493660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: So? < 1354782850 213473 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354782901 905018 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I already knew everything in the welcome blurb... < 1354782920 647065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1354782931 509973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is to make you feel welcome, not to teach you. < 1354782935 212797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora knows. < 1354782950 481822 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said thanks for the welcome part < 1354782960 224363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE GreyKnight < 1354782964 469598 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GrEyKnIgHt: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1354782983 861301 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, *that* was amusing < 1354783023 703128 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But the URL is broken now, sadface) < 1354783077 38623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME GreyKnight < 1354783080 938381 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​GREYKNIGHT: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/M < 1354783104 163125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '\x031a\x032b\x033c\x034d' < 1354783107 169307 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.1a.2b.3c.4d < 1354783110 523069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1354783111 483944 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, suppose we use integers in place of objects/classes. The catch is that if, for example, you modify the .equals() method of 5, it affects all instances of 5 < 1354783115 374471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1354783310 831904 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you should use integers instead of floats instead? Just make them all rational, easy < 1354783368 161834 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(get lost, Cantor) < 1354783375 112809 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Forte < 1354783400 182404 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if, for example, you modify the .equals() method of 5, it affects all instances of 5" reminded me of this < 1354783466 481201 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is similar < 1354783502 219730 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if I have a .value() method or something I can maybe produce a superset of Forte's functionality < 1354783568 66862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so cpressey has written an underload derivative < 1354783568 230578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354783572 578694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1354783572 735246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 3d 9h 48m 47s ago: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Carriage#Representation_erasure < 1354783582 64938 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm a string can be regarded as a function mapping integers to integers < 1354783584 219095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I finally feel like I'm officially a big esolang name < 1354783655 698663 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you already were < 1354783656 668045 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brb < 1354783662 241203 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.139.221 QUIT :Quit: brb < 1354783665 165664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You've "made it", now. No more financial troubles for the rest of your life. < 1354783682 782229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome ais523 < 1354783685 882178 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354783774 353624 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354783886 821040 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-185.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354783898 550329 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: at least I suppose you got a bit famous for *not* implementing a certain esoteric language :-) < 1354784136 349359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone's famous for that :) < 1354784192 942026 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least you could legitimately claim you were waiting for your future self to do it < 1354784231 141625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, stop it! < 1354784261 491901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '\u031a\u032b\u033c\u034d' < 1354784264 482973 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​\u031a\u032b\u033c\u034d < 1354784270 988750 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hey, the string-as-function thing should work for Feather too < 1354784272 814941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, printf doesn't implement that yet < 1354784289 608784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: \x only reads the next two digits; \u does four, \U does eight < 1354784295 753053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in most languages which have them < 1354784307 307666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but I wanted two characters. < 1354784310 670757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to IRC colors. < 1354784317 82022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, OK < 1354784333 678953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think HackEgo has a control code filter < 1354784354 391300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for being terrible, HackEgo. :-( < 1354784362 407783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the coolbots use colour these days. < 1354784368 369253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lb/l b/ < 1354784377 588842 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uncool is the new cool < 1354784707 709766 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354784776 111416 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/Frib/Armok < 1354784786 782798 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone made an esolang without realising < 1354784928 906535 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cave is only 1-dimensional! < 1354784933 782105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a BF derivative? < 1354784956 530958 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/B/D/ < 1354784982 134509 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guessed < 1354784983 865772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the name < 1354785008 191844 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's a BF derivative < 1354785011 77496 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks similar < 1354785033 163109 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's closer to MARIOLang with threading < 1354785041 744595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++>,[<.>.,[.[-]],]!2a3b4c5d < 1354785042 100870 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2a3b4c5d < 1354785044 148102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ the better bot < 1354785075 768208 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354785075 872195 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354785075 944911 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354785100 713764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that come out in color? I set my client to filter colors < 1354785105 665334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did. < 1354785117 162879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for being terrible, ais523. < 1354785122 168285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To paraphrase shachaf.) < 1354785126 117270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that terrible? < 1354785134 110313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but apparently it is. < 1354785149 932734 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose life's just flat and dull without colours? < 1354785277 567613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++>,>,[<<.>.+>.+]!1a < 1354785277 904899 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1a2b3c4d5e6f7g8h9i:j;kn?o@pAqBrCsDtEuFvGwHxIyJzK{L|M}N~OPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstu ... < 1354785285 12725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it started all right. < 1354785290 854154 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354785473 971313 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354785700 174019 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for being terrible, fizzie < 1354786350 939162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thx for being terrible, lambdabot < 1354786351 66219 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1354786738 572608 :iamcal!u1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ndgcbqyqfcdfinps QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354786975 870080 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-185.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is data Stack :: * -> * -> * where Empty :: Stack Zero a; (:-) :: a -> Stack n a -> Stack (Succ n) a traversable? < 1354787118 863102 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354787118 975346 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354787118 975512 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354787206 703599 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354787216 33808 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-185.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354787418 649803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you read http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/Papers/cpr/index.htm ? < 1354787432 204661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other end of "how to make a fast curry". < 1354787453 467650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rwbarton pointed out that the dual of currying is more like returning sums than returning products. < 1354787458 935704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least I think that's what he was saying. < 1354787464 365119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare foldr and unfoldr, for example. < 1354787654 111058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is that just Vect? < 1354787826 108750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do similar partial inlining for things that accept/return sums? < 1354787985 607482 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott fizzie < 1354787991 841256 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops Fiora < 1354788018 751075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo Sgeo Sgeo < 1354788031 204300 :aloril!~aloril@84.249.126.153 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354788076 959278 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hastur Hastur Hastur < 1354788111 733690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME GreyKnight < 1354788114 622655 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GREYKNIGHT: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1354788152 15835 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS < 1354788450 453119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Taneb is gone. < 1354788455 205543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask Taneb Why not? < 1354788455 279001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354788534 557017 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that Taneb's snippet has a :-) in it < 1354788565 399121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you feel about its (:- ? < 1354788660 432067 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is its nose on its forehead :-O < 1354788687 56156 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote eat.a < 1354788687 213196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SamB_XP says: I once saw it eat a comment (:[{- Help! -}]) < 1354788768 172083 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :om nom nom < 1354788768 337423 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the syntax mean anyway, I only know a tiny bit of Haskell < 1354788783 691594 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354788819 882906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part? < 1354788838 294243 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:-) < 1354788859 105000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's just referring to the infix name :- < 1354788862 772122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 + 2 < 1354788864 269908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1354788865 889711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+) 1 2 < 1354788867 344409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1354788868 752011 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And/or SamB_XP's bit) < 1354788873 628135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(+) is a function that takes two arguments. < 1354788874 767868 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah < 1354788880 945237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (^2) 5 < 1354788882 417460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 25 < 1354788887 795557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^2) is a function that takes one argument and squares it. < 1354788899 560861 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew you could do that, just didn't think of :- as an operator < 1354788908 114622 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it didn't connect < 1354788926 221593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell monqy (-: < 1354788926 435309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354788958 923592 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell lambdabot aren't you helpful! < 1354788959 80668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice try ;) < 1354789079 936645 :iamcal!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxvoyxpxizfozlpx JOIN :#esoteric < 1354789725 909195 :slickeli!~ilja@p5795BCE7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354789749 417790 :slickeli!~ilja@p5795BCE7.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric < 1354789757 269380 :slickeli!~ilja@p5795BCE7.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354790168 805707 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354790837 63 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354791354 431088 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354791599 407594 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354791769 677170 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354792224 386004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354792231 382525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354793243 156675 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354793269 889878 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354793293 49951 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :McAffee was arrested < 1354793304 99906 :slickeli!~ilja@p5795BCE7.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354793315 491857 :slickeli!~ilja@p5795BCE7.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw it today at news < 1354793328 213345 :slickeli!~ilja@p5795BCE7.dip.t-dialin.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to bad for him < 1354793760 709188 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hatesgeo < 1354793793 413254 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, that script that points out how I had some severe connection issues? < 1354793793 694949 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354793798 40205 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1354793804 625053 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/hatesgeo < 1354793807 68540 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ perl -n -e '/:(.*?)!.*JOIN/; $j{$1}++; END {print "$_ $j{$_};" for sort {$j{$b} <=> $j{$a}} keys %j}' $@ < 1354793823 406094 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man < 1354793851 893831 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, my most recent JOIN was as Sgeo|web < 1354793882 399549 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess you also have to pass it the filename of a log file? < 1354793904 216775 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, why do you hate me? < 1354793911 502303 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1354793915 208358 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was curious what it did < 1354793924 233978 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1354793927 613458 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so in one CS class there's a rather silly assignment which is the end of a series of assignments < 1354793958 526029 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherein you are given a simple CFG and work on derivations < 1354793966 696263 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the CFG is just bracketed subtraction expressions on numbers < 1354794006 904899 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last problem, inexplicably titled 'Galaxy' instead of, say, 'Problem 4', is to evaluate the expression given a derivation, assuming that all numbers are 42 < 1354794035 267309 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354794046 5499 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately, due to the rather lame subset of everything useful that they use, you can ignore the whole CFG thing and just do simple text evaluation < 1354794060 697107 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even really know what CFG is < 1354794075 50767 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :context-free grammar < 1354794088 366756 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to golf the whole assignment down to 53 characters of perl < 1354794195 214977 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you don't know how context-free grammars work? < 1354794208 810155 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was sad I couldn't break 50 < 1354794213 289507 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't recognize the abbreviation. I have ... some idea < 1354794287 536900 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance "initial state A, rules A -> a, A -> aAa, B -> bb" is a CFG. it generates the words a, abba, aabbaa, aaabbaaa etc < 1354794307 409949 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1354794319 683270 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try that again < 1354794334 816089 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*for instance "initial state A, rules A -> bb, A -> aAa" is a CFG. it generates the words bb, abba, aabbaa, aaabbaaa etc < 1354794345 290157 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because A -> bb gives the word bb < 1354794352 697717 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A -> aAa -> abba gives abba < 1354794364 599837 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A -> aAa -> aaAaa -> aabbaa gives aabbaa < 1354794457 732896 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :here, A is a nonterminal, a and b are terminals. the set of words generated is the set of words over terminals you can generate by turning left hand sides of rules into right hand sides of rules. left hand sides of rules are always just a single nonterminal. < 1354794472 930090 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354794508 837609 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone should learn to love CFG's, they're the second best language class < 1354794598 912548 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354794685 126862 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's first best? < 1354794735 601892 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular languages < 1354794817 207138 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354794890 618229 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354795391 338419 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I want to vary from your example feather code slightly < 1354795490 65495 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have a program be a function [ sys ¦ body... ] and the "root object" is passed as the sys argument when starting up < 1354795490 364531 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :atomCompare, callCC, and IO can be extracted as properties of sys < 1354795527 438165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, ¦ < 1354795647 182016 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My normal keyboard fails at regular pipes :-P < 1354795647 254489 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/normal/phone/ < 1354795647 349455 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common typo < 1354795777 312031 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there exists example Feather code? < 1354795802 806784 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like one tiny fragment < 1354795836 461502 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And part of the syntax was already obsolete (grouping is now by parentheses not brackets) < 1354795856 77092 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some examples of my own based on discussions with ais523 < 1354795994 701009 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. the =<< method can be defined on o by: < 1354795996 352096 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o =<< <<= [dummy ¦ callcc [cc ¦ o <<= <<= cc]] < 1354796194 844709 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354796302 271674 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel pathetic that I didn't get this until I read the discussion < 1354796302 788540 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-001-ex-j < 1354796668 751372 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354796837 61948 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Taneb did you see update (not particulary makot) < 1354796839 92320 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maojor < 1354796840 306340 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :major < 1354796843 507238 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1354796843 585196 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354796846 536197 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah < 1354796846 695740 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 NICK :Roxy < 1354796847 415613 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaah < 1354796848 496617 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no < 1354796855 408666 :Roxy!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 NICK :Sgeo < 1354796875 217230 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I got it! Amusing < 1354797013 918890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SingingBoyo: Who are you? < 1354797065 776184 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Just a canadian. don't mind me. < 1354797091 91814 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SingingBoyo: if you need me I'll be off riding my moose. < 1354797092 22 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was your previous nick? < 1354797111 12907 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it put SingingBoyo. meh. < 1354797116 882541 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I've never had a previous nick lol < 1354797124 993799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog SingingBoyo < 1354797130 764867 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1354797149 958598 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome SiningBoyo < 1354797154 688704 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SiningBoyo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354797157 439446 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15311 < 1354797161 413429 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354797168 554530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs SingingBoyo < 1354797184 412075 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10325 < 1354797194 990631 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1asdfasdf < 1354797216 4508 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hmm. guess I was around for a day or so ages back. < 1354797218 858652 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1hello ais and other people who don't see colors < 1354797257 244827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: 01I see colors, including this one. < 1354797305 797756 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what color is your background? < 1354797338 453394 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine's black < 1354797344 605576 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice to know everyone's background color 0so i could secretly communicate with only people with non-white backgrounds < 1354797349 704145 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0pitch black! < 1354797367 482604 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I can read that. and I have a white background < 1354797372 721671 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1354797379 366929 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your plan has failed! < 1354797393 69908 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you read "so i could secretly communicate with only people with non-white backgrounds"? < 1354797396 275144 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's racist :-o < 1354797398 783311 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the previous sentence < 1354797400 811151 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1354797416 603408 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then GreyKnight said 'pitch black!' < 1354797425 738494 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I'm not very good at defining traversable instances < 1354797428 115679 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :4foo < 1354797429 156468 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I've got it now :) < 1354797458 669946 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3this client has an odd palette < 1354797482 199923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Isn't it the same as []'s Traversable instance? < 1354797550 938644 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot I love you < 1354797551 270255 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: they say that you can only kill a lich once and then led to the military base, two soldiers appeared before him! ( who goes there?, by j.r.r. tolkien) < 1354797668 657794 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, annoyingly, not quite < 1354797669 729179 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1354797670 702302 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354797784 647041 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i'm pretty sure it's the same palette in every client < 1354797844 183169 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you send something like 0x01 where 1 is some small number and then you send and ascii number between 0-15 and that's what colors it < 1354797851 945013 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an ascii < 1354797872 190647 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2sasdfew10asfewmmm < 1354797913 142932 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1354797955 118220 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the same palette in the sense that you can send me the same colors as anyone else, of course they might look silly in your end, but then so will our messages prolly < 1354798225 63939 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant < 1354798284 732995 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354798305 929862 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3dusty pink 2beige 10light brown 13turquoise < 1354798332 412354 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the number seems to be taken mod 16 < 1354798369 209775 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably depends on the implementation < 1354798392 527266 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :38hello? < 1354798415 559547 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1234567891011121314151617181920212223242526272829303132 < 1354798418 890096 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1354798446 42222 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 < 1354798449 864212 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1354798459 850205 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 < 1354798480 805377 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. < 1354798480 952692 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1354798533 298208 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared and confused < 1354798590 434886 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1o2k3o4k5o6k7o8k9o10k11o12k13o14k15o16k17o18k19o20k21o22k23o24k25o26k27o28k29o30k31o32k o < 1354798593 970603 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1354798629 182571 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's mod 16 when i'm writing the message, then shows up as white after going through the network. < 1354798656 747052 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again mirc/nnscript shows many things differently in the prompt than on channel < 1354798702 642967 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also up there i first said 32 color codes, then 32 colored spaces. oops. < 1354798729 177298 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :1234 < 1354798773 641588 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is oko < 1354798798 326586 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokoko < 1354798878 149338 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354798967 387553 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kokokokokok < 1354798995 266681 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cycle "ok" < 1354798996 691013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokok... < 1354799021 163842 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((ok)S:^):^ < 1354799021 558814 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokokok ...too much output! < 1354799032 716424 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of oko < 1354799042 454039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnugot < 1354799044 286892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1354799044 683849 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you can't wipe your greasy bare hands on a scare monster scroll. ( the stand, by sucking the blood of sleeping persons.... the legend tells how the wind, the lyre, pan's pipes, numbers, the first ever seen your weapon and take off your clothes. < 1354799053 154296 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNUgot, a GNU implementation of fungot < 1354799053 389940 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it is rectangular in shape, very thin cakes, made of a sort of thing hrun the barbarian and the outside, he was bested only twice: once when orpheus put him to attempt the conquest of medusa. < 1354799061 771005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1354799062 85475 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a magic lamp. once in a knockingshop it was another cockatrice. i knew my erik too well to feel the latter with just a computer key, followed by a priestess who went into his back. knife in his honor. it wraps itself around its prey and digests it. < 1354799068 669061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style youtube < 1354799068 957458 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: youtube (Some YouTube comments) < 1354799069 514835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1354799070 396987 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this looks pretty good run-down of the french guy is a pig next to grandma, they certainly felt very max payne-ish yes, i like hip hop no trance...1 2 3..........wtf...opera... < 1354799115 152094 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes perfect sense, fungot < 1354799115 386680 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i am buying this album. < 1354799132 118279 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354799580 290316 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: which album < 1354799580 722080 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok: cool hair. i can say < 1354799637 362689 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's latest album, out now, just in time for Christmas! < 1354799637 752693 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: looks like they have been writing and directing the digital shorts more often! < 1354799640 414860 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm "fungot's" doesn't trigger him? Not sure how I feel about this < 1354799640 798839 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: " plus the way they make there games) and non-frizzy!!!! < 1354799641 351745 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what will be on your new album? < 1354799641 724750 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: coulda been good once, as it was good and bad things so in depth so game has a point. and bullet time))) luv av. and more < 1354799664 717449 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1354799668 992903 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will buy this album too. < 1354799672 662902 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm I was lagging I guess! < 1354799705 199754 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, digital shorts and games? Best album ever < 1354799721 278719 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, what about hidden tracks? < 1354799721 665514 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i am not 100% sure. and the crash < 1354799804 403747 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear, it crashes if you try to access the hidden track :-( < 1354799975 684065 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given this style is trained from youtube comments, I'm surprised fungot isn't swearing more... < 1354800268 392315 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube comments do not involve much swearing? < 1354800357 380145 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, not just me lagged, is it fungot ? < 1354800358 346087 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1354800358 719643 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube* < 1354800375 523400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354800391 728167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354800438 124113 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: TBF I don't use that site much, but I was reliably informed the comments have a high proportion of scum and villainy < 1354800440 981182 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style c64 < 1354800441 294761 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: c64 (C64 programming material) < 1354800453 534765 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SAVE "FUNGOT", 8, 1 < 1354800589 89731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, yeah, but they're mostly just dumb. < 1354800600 941282 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot why don't you like me :-( < 1354800677 391395 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.248.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :( why does CentOS include an obsolete Mercurial? < 1354806991 47180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you -- < 1354806993 936611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never mind i don't want to know < 1354807026 50639 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354807043 999691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:48:44 more like 1100 drink a 7-Eleven Double Gulp everyday < 1354807044 134721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:52:59 Wouldn't doing that at 0711 make more sense? < 1354807044 207874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:53:25 no because i am not awake then < 1354807047 311832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: living the dream < 1354807123 206314 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new diet craze that's sweeping the nation < 1354807432 510768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:05:15 FireFly: i am buying this album. < 1354807433 38762 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it stores the scan line at a time. there are two types of argu- ments are also available to you from where the sprite at 3 locations one at a rate of the switches are used to send into the same timing test on a ( a value of 2048 ( 801), < 1354807434 128324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:13:00 fungot: which album < 1354807434 284333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:13:00 oklofok: cool hair. i can say < 1354807434 510609 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a control message. press play record messages, this subroutine is ffd2. when < 1354807434 682827 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a normal character set. in the frequency is the only way to get the number will make all keys repeating, while the 8 bits provide single raster resolution within the device you intend opening a datasette recorder file, you select one of the locations affected are control register ( pr) and < 1354807436 770041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:14:01 fungot, what will be on your new album? < 1354807436 842169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:14:01 GreyKnight: coulda been good once, as it was good and bad things so in depth so game has a point. and bullet time))) luv av. and more < 1354807437 159707 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there are, however, keep in mind when you write, and < 1354807440 638198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would listen to this < 1354807466 355583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354807470 230227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1354807529 427192 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's not just music! It has digital shorts and games too! < 1354807543 2265 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool Hair by fungot, get yours today < 1354807543 392938 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: the exception to this bit is set to 1 and 1.99999..., and then resume execution by typing the run/ stop key is pressed < 1354807668 123605 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354808068 923397 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, you can't use the list instance because it makes a type error < 1354808086 53827 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Couldn't match type `Succ Zero' with `Zero'" < 1354808190 171655 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made separate instances for Stack Zero and Traversable (Stack n) => Traversable (Stack (Succ n)) < 1354808365 744025 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you guys are trying to do computation with a type system, aren't you < 1354808383 363012 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just me < 1354808388 811862 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And just encoding the length of the stack < 1354808691 854924 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try computation with type system after I finish my list based "computer" in cpp < 1354808850 651843 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354809055 974006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you see ph got complaints about that blog < 1354809076 176723 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the one I write? < 1354809082 221893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one "ph" writes < 1354809086 255531 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354809089 931624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereby "ph" i mean "taneb" < 1354809108 278009 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1354809113 660565 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I didn't < 1354809116 729527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it was from the author of one of the languages you reviewed < 1354809122 136109 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1354809141 68325 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric language reviews? < 1354809154 349330 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, not serious ones < 1354809170 389941 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's me pretending to be Phantom_Hoover being nasty to brainfuck derivatives < 1354809175 406917 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where's the complaint? < 1354809189 685326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :his inbox < 1354809208 922177 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hehe < 1354809218 344573 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, can you forward it to me? < 1354809240 96519 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you mean the Tumblr account's inbox? < 1354809267 692615 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354809280 190932 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, might still be amusing, link plox :-) < 1354809288 851769 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom-hoover.tumblr.com < 1354809294 720238 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1354809299 766897 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tumblr's blocked here < 1354809316 196813 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1354809344 182758 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, elliott says someone's been complaining about your blog < 1354809351 918750 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i said that! < 1354809364 584476 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you forward the complaint to me? < 1354809411 348557 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, "just a single solid of text" you say < 1354809427 128434 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm afraid I can't edit it from here < 1354809445 126049 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ct < 1354809445 445939 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) < 1354809452 345583 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot! < 1354809452 755831 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: the masamune!? crono, it's you, isn't this morbid? the great adventurer toma levine rests in a grave to the north. it's a great place for a picnic! heard that magus's place... < 1354809477 623041 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is getting a bit gothy there, picnics in a graveyard?! < 1354809478 188714 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: is the gate key okay!! get' em! 200g per night. care, and stay...healthy! my husband...he's...he's...gone... but he left me precious gifts! the seeds...and our child, it's ancient history now... < 1354809497 540852 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, yeah he's pretty sinister when he's set to ct < 1354809502 602367 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and now we're recreating Jack and the Beanstalk < 1354809514 972592 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he threatened to kill me a while back < 1354809521 531563 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you still want to kill me btw < 1354809521 990359 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: and you call yourself a frog, and ayla... i will not betray my friends! he must be the invention. hope it still leaves you hungry! here you are the only one thing we need to defeat you, lavos. < 1354809522 770099 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354809523 749566 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quote? < 1354809531 114700 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354809545 593231 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god i don't remember what he actually said, it was like two years go < 1354809557 837858 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1354809558 260071 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1354809559 75090 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, nm < 1354809601 520240 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is the format I would use to write a style and email it to you publicized anywhere? < 1354809604 598783 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp = wikipedia? < 1354809614 705083 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style wp < 1354809615 117286 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: wp (1/256th of all Wikipedia "Talk:" namespace pages) < 1354809628 111981 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, is this wikipedia? < 1354809628 785804 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha < 1354809629 24826 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: please go to :image:wvcr-fm.jpgthe image description page and edit it to include a wikipedia:fair use rationale guideline fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. < 1354809644 14049 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1354809645 39690 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ' ' edison built a bulb with the inside surface covered with metal foil. he connected the foil to the positive terminal of the filament, the many electons emmitted from the hot filament were attracted to the daughter, and eagerly agrees to rent the room. < 1354809648 956269 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, are you related to betacommandbot?!? < 1354809650 136116 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i don't know what it's about, it allows the construction of the french monarchy?" so third, the experiment is not about “knowing or not knowing the which way fnord but actually the fnord together of a fringe and fnord pattern because of the passage of time. < 1354809678 276437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the many electons emmitted from the hot filament were attracted to the daughter" what? < 1354809694 335233 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the electron-daughter interaction, didn't you pay attention in school? < 1354810328 200651 :greyooze!~GK@82.132.249.218 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354810353 31304 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354810354 766421 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-5-3.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354810357 33470 :greyooze!~GK@82.132.249.218 NICK :GreyKnight < 1354810384 639995 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, you lookin' at me?! < 1354810385 538320 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: gnu license for the site to communicate directly with her fans whether they want her to or not, this is the intended meaning? it would appear the original definition of conservative.) < 1354811035 724196 :slickeli!~ilja@p5795BCE7.dip.t-dialin.net PART :#esoteric < 1354812329 49753 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the GNU license has fans and is female < 1354812400 742637 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what IS that link in the topic? It's blocked for me < 1354812593 933165 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354812597 466792 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354812661 62425 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354812755 340332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354812826 35977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354812990 788999 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354813067 635615 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354813091 299408 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it obvious from the URL? < 1354813131 796307 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1354813222 770382 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, it times out for me < 1354813232 727725 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something to do with turkeys and a molotov cocktail < 1354813236 790780 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fairly improbably combination < 1354813244 755296 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bly/ble/ < 1354813247 284868 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and porn < 1354813265 319353 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link worked for me, although a bit slowly < 1354813278 93888 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured that part was a joke since turkeys aren't a particularly mainstream fetish AFAIK < 1354813323 746754 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is brain bleach required? < 1354813360 422130 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not particularly < 1354813366 881206 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on what you think of us < 1354813376 731113 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354813381 145177 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1354813381 216829 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1354813381 539808 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...assuming it's meant to point to what I think it is < 1354813407 123186 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whut < 1354813412 537679 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :curl: (7) couldn't connect to host at 5z8.info:80 < 1354813414 512262 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1354813446 497733 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi TOPIC #esoteric :♣ Hacking ♣ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354813461 435872 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's slow enough that it's counterproductive < 1354813491 171275 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: 5z8.info is shadyurl.com < 1354813519 642542 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds, er, shady < 1354813760 130548 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :takes a second or two < 1354813843 372915 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: this was brilliant http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/20186536921/ < 1354813967 59762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1354814052 702987 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354814530 5895 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awwww, didn't know the creepy URL was so unreliable :( < 1354814546 508882 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1354814937 356702 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :travis-ci.org is pretty nifty, but also makes me go, “and what do they get out of this?” < 1354814962 874356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: they have sponsors < 1354814969 138968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some kind of paid thing < 1354814976 693908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for corps < 1354814996 136068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://love.travis-ci.org/sponsors http://about.travis-ci.org/docs/user/travis-pro/ < 1354815070 47011 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is running free CI for any idiot on github sufficient advertisement to be worth it for the pro users it attracts, I wonder? < 1354815090 796471 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As per sponsors... that's nice and all, but sponsors is not a business model.) < 1354815094 871579 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354815101 781292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't say it was a business model < 1354815111 387062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it is a better one than many have < 1354815148 563854 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well sure, lots of Internet businesses crop up with no real money source, then “mysteriously” vanish when their venture capital runs dry. < 1354815158 82210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well, "new random hosted CI thing" isn't a very compelling sell since I believe there's already a ton of them < 1354815195 325563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"new random hosted CI thing that has a massively popular free version that you can check out and has GitHub integration" seems like a pretty good way to get customers < 1354815200 400079 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1354815202 384659 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite possibly. < 1354815241 433323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(github's integration is cool -- pull requests get their builds automatically checked an dstuff) < 1354815244 474618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an dstuff < 1354815245 367541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and stuff < 1354815248 151368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1354815319 220319 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ //g THERE < 1354815428 271015 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :andstuff? < 1354815511 29531 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a helper! < 1354815529 654838 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/.//g < 1354815601 49105 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even better < 1354816186 97335 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, also, did you see my comment a while back about the Feather "root object"? < 1354816257 377781 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd given this snippet: [ atomCompare | [ callCC | [ programText | [ IO | ( ( callCC ( ) ) ) ] ] ] ] < 1354816358 648310 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we pass atomCompare, callCC, and IO as members of the root object, and then the initial program can just be a function [ root-object | <...> ] < 1354816375 35326 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes it a bit more readable (** suppressed laughter **) < 1354816750 949967 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354816932 641003 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how do I identify a Church numeral in order to print its value, I should probably know this < 1354816942 821820 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354816960 40577 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something ridiculously prodigal no doubt ;-) < 1354817045 419821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354817206 910382 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay think I see it < 1354817542 715105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the many electons emmitted from the hot filament were attracted to the daughter, and eagerly agrees to rent the room" <3 fungot (and I suppose Wikipedia Talk namespace too) < 1354817543 507227 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i have moved the section about international relations. the full title is " kokin wakashū" and then freely use " kokinshū" is often subject to debate. < 1354817667 535991 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I think we should have a disambiguation page at [[Ireland]], what do you think? < 1354817668 211134 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: 5) the fox bio doesn't show him working for the studios wrote that lame description of jesse james hollywood's capture. < 1354817715 161293 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Talk: 'cause I hoped that would be more conversation-like than the main namespace. < 1354817767 366989 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it is also where the main soap operas take place so I love you if you are the one who implemented this style! < 1354817800 64267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there fungot styles fizzie did not implement < 1354817800 963795 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: o'er the fnord steep, 4 july 2008 ( utc) ( forgot to sign in) loving this. he was a captain during the baluchistan. however, i can't speak for him, he < 1354817812 951712 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1354817829 459842 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, use four tildes! ~~~~ < 1354817830 296287 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i don't know which article to merge into the democratic party? free socialist 12:57, 9 october 2008 ( utc)/span/small!-- template:unsigned !--autosigned by sinebot-- ( nevermind, it's under gang of four allowed deng to fnord < 1354817837 761532 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1354817838 542403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it did not manage to use them correctly < 1354817861 643182 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks like some HTML leaked in there too < 1354817867 667199 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/span/small < 1354817876 933257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354817897 26478 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, was it you who came up with the idea of using a map for Feather input? < 1354817912 526819 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1354817912 791661 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp* youtube < 1354817914 690788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so? < 1354817923 11359 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1354817923 329138 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1354817990 951682 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay; it was a good idea so I am going to credit-slash-blame you once I manage to get it implemented < 1354818061 50329 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, fungot < 1354818061 833603 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: based on a very special case of 3d in msw logo works in three fnord 2d is, in essence... you think the macro idea is the same < 1354818094 149051 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354818342 473112 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354818427 271715 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'A "brony" is the term used to describe the adult fans of the My Little Pony game and of the TV show of the same title.' -- BBC News Website < 1354818489 814225 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Internet is leaking < 1354818685 868613 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: YouTube came from... asiekierka? < 1354818694 971962 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what < 1354818695 556439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone, anyway. < 1354818705 865625 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb - >game < 1354818708 938031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: It wasn't you? It was someone. < 1354818710 398795 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it, i quit the fandom < 1354818713 489870 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what link? < 1354818716 348756 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what do you mean even < 1354818718 166295 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure < 1354818726 136021 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20629245 < 1354818731 496941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :asiekierka: Someone sent me the fungot style file for YouTube. < 1354818731 869842 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ' () and f < 1354818752 407083 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: What about your own '() < 1354818753 124650 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: what hardware os? i just want to grasp some concepts like continuations, exceptions, flows down into at all times < 1354819052 84725 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net NICK :Taneb|Away < 1354819057 928251 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354819076 510225 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: everybody loves them some continuations < 1354819077 150395 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i second that dare. nosfe's scary. if i would send the game the same way < 1354819137 602904 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie - oh, yeah < 1354819138 527355 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was me < 1354819702 666668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How recent of IRC logs of fungot style file do they use? < 1354819729 592775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It was asiekierka. < 1354819740 620444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it was done with copy-and-paste, not web scraping. < 1354819828 605840 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: IIRC i web scraped the two most popular video < 1354819830 628482 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1354819835 343883 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then ran a few sed commands to get the result < 1354819847 410291 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe i just copy-pasted the two most popular videos and sedded them < 1354819847 984901 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1354819944 312012 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how DO we submit styles? < 1354819954 242133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have to be signed in triplicate < 1354820037 703001 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.218 QUIT :Quit: back later < 1354820154 706309 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354820160 687079 :TeruFSX!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354820575 538232 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :siemasz siekierka < 1354820649 392564 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Czesc asiekierka < 1354820687 987620 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bork bork bork asiekierka < 1354820706 878912 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg.. jesus was a mushroom! < 1354820739 35272 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know john allegro? he wrote this fascinating book about the origins of religion < 1354820743 326031 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354820743 399044 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354820743 399173 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354820861 354735 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.google.de/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CDQQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fstatic.socialgo.com%2Fcache%2F246062%2Fassets%2Ffiles%2F4e9428f9e8f92-246062-JohnAllegroTheSacredMushroomAndTheCross.pdf&ei=6-zAUKbHEseftAb5pYFw&usg=AFQjCNEzOHzyYXWsaqDcH67LpuUqi4CU7Q&sig2=VcvFk51BCxrKOKoe8MBqDA < 1354820866 13018 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worth reading < 1354821020 341179 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry.. this one seems not to work < 1354821077 526012 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have a german version here.. but i'm sure you'll be able to find it your prefered language around the web ;) < 1354821124 871792 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus is the main topic of this channel isn't it? < 1354821139 884640 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354821152 933504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354821163 574534 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1354821233 449398 :Taneb|Away!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1354821265 775392 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hail the mighty penis in the sky < 1354821277 31895 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1354821287 102971 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you found it < 1354821307 75184 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a direct link to an english pdf :P < 1354821315 273627 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work? < 1354821319 115711 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. < 1354821323 545708 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :very much so < 1354821331 897370 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had some trouble opening it < 1354821429 491962 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to pick the lock of a "PERFECT MICRO" floppy disk box? < 1354821834 731163 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hammer. < 1354822049 466125 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lockpick. < 1354822064 237202 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nose. < 1354822080 363824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there ought to be a tool called nosepick < 1354822103 35833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of a spoon, I guess < 1354822114 403809 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite narrow < 1354822188 879407 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit worrying that fungot wants to grasp continuations < 1354822189 239433 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: here's why you should have said something disturbing :) < 1354822235 946826 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, now fungot's smiling and it's all your fault for not saying something disturbing < 1354822236 620195 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ugh... so i'm trying a brainfuck only quine first place, would i be? < 1354822314 481760 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: luckily you have a built-in brainfuck interpreter to try it out in < 1354822315 63603 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: setting up scsh ( fnord) ( eq? x ' ( 1 ( 7 9 8 10)? please say " a continuation is < 1354822347 687320 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there fungot goes again wanting someone to teach them about continuations < 1354822348 319379 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: to evaluate the previous s-expression and send it to /dev/ null < 1354822422 237312 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354822435 996132 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's aware that he just sent an s-expression? < 1354822436 537026 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ( and i can't rename it on the floor, it was " wanted pages"), then < 1354822472 935370 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does befunge have s-expressions? < 1354822633 296729 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354823002 295323 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354823022 176877 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354823022 250190 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354823208 263609 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354823289 736438 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354823498 427469 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354823864 190382 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354823888 378047 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: botsnack < 1354823889 4460 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: it's just an anus.' and stops. egh. i need to know it < 1354823899 123683 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1354823908 558173 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just an anus, GreyKnight! < 1354823924 654081 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not what I wanted. I wanted the opposite of this. < 1354823944 623961 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an anus that doesn't stop? are you sure? < 1354823965 187092 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And fungot needs to "know it" o_O < 1354823965 778279 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: then translate the lets into lambdas function applications instead of lets? i suspect not < 1354824103 882708 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: thanks, glad you liked that post < 1354824121 438669 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shared it around the office too < 1354824156 939273 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when he lines up all the knights, it's hilarious < 1354824182 924293 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :He has a few other variations where he does it with bishops or similar < 1354824199 698782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nakamura is really totally amazing < 1354824248 7528 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Knights were the best I think, because of their loose capturing net < 1354824262 463171 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, and being able to do that checkmate so quickly is amazing < 1354824271 74057 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he is all "kekekeke knight rush" :-D < 1354824276 408409 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, he's practiced it, but, it's sooo easy to accidentally stalemate someone in a knight checkmate < 1354824280 59734 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that < 1354824365 315872 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can accidentally stalemate even playing at normal speed ._. < 1354824367 46120 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm not very good) < 1354824367 195150 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1354824374 407561 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1354824388 752763 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty terribly out of practice < 1354824414 887103 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to play like 5 minute games online though, it was fun < 1354824416 308776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1354824454 759929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is chess < 1354824512 747249 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a game, like snakes and ladders, except different < 1354824594 531980 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can never remember how the horsey guys move. < 1354824654 296805 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw an esoteric ("the other kind") version of chess once, I wonder if I can come up with our kind of esoteric chess :> < 1354824654 370515 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION leaps across a few squares to demonstrate to Bike < 1354824675 414880 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354824683 605572 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh shit, you sunk my battleship, right? < 1354824686 36056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how often people shove their chess variants into chess computers to see how it affects strategy and stuff < 1354824692 777209 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like by modifying move generation < 1354824696 524810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already made a chess variant < 1354824700 430822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was good < 1354824703 518385 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do tell < 1354824704 425562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unplayable of course < 1354824707 866437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was continuous chess < 1354824714 851961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mostly uncomputable < 1354824756 380054 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :less excitingly, you could probably make an esolang based on move notation < 1354824777 888711 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about making an esolang based on solving a chess puzzle on an NxN board? < 1354824785 297653 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :generalized chess is EXPTIME < 1354824787 545113 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuous as in non-grid-based positioning? < 1354824788 731191 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the rules written up anywhere? < 1354824800 688837 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: like n-queens or something? < 1354824996 309132 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: like, NxN chess board with arbitrary pieces, solve for mate < 1354825006 157531 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the decision problem, "is a forced mate possible"? < 1354825007 836913 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1354825011 24526 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXPTIME-complete apparently < 1354825014 536617 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1354825150 639494 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am thinking about an infinite chessboard with the ability to "paint" squares as you land on them < 1354825194 194393 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds, um.... kind of like Angels and Demons for some reason < 1354825216 847911 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever that puzzle is called, I don't remember... < 1354825230 144567 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a given initial arrangement of pieces and initial board colouring, this might be TC < 1354825231 301057 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angel_problem right < 1354825260 381252 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... I think that sounds TC... < 1354825292 152713 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did conway get all the money for these prizes < 1354825352 832609 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, $100 isn't much, i guess < 1354825366 564565 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really get winning ways sometime. < 1354825465 623381 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got a receipt from an oil change place that said, if I remember correctly, "Team: T:ppater B:ppater S:ppater M:ppater" < 1354825469 825498 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm tempted to go back and dive through the chess programming wiki again <_<; < 1354825481 293869 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone have any idea what that means? < 1354825494 793617 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354825530 930763 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuesday, briday, sunday, monday < 1354825539 613450 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor ppater is always the team < 1354825594 896715 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was raining < 1354825603 302729 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ppater ppater ppater < 1354825611 777796 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an addtional day between saturday and sunday *sigh < 1354825644 723707 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of the short film about an extra integer existing between three and four < 1354825678 946790 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Revolutionary new research < 1354825755 773316 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I've never seen that, but have heard similar gags before < 1354825770 587777 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did this one proceed? < 1354825796 241283 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you wouldn't happen to have any information about continuous chess, would you? < 1354825826 873657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask PH < 1354825830 370667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will remember it better than me < 1354825832 327933 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would add two integers..12 would do a better base < 1354825877 622775 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, if you see him before I do, I would also like info! < 1354825908 482307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354825983 740715 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bought this "adapter from 2x(3.5mm stereo) headphones+mic to 3.5mm four-pole headset connector" cable, and it didn't work; I just multimetered it, and it's just a splitter that has two female 4-pole 3.5mm connectors, and a direct mapping from each ring (of both) into the corresponding ring of the 4-pole male. < 1354825986 702045 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there's this: http://www.chessvariants.org/other.dir/continuouschess.html < 1354825997 540162 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's not as continuous as I was hoping. < 1354826054 772861 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: the usual... scientist has revolutionary idea, scientist considered crazy, the movie ends on a mysterious note with his shrink seeing the same thing (maybe it's real!!) < 1354826084 230155 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it only works when applied to ideas that you can pretend to believe in < 1354826122 51078 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder about applying the ideas behind quantum football to chess < 1354826186 936417 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both kings are spread out across the whole board. Goal is to spike the enemy king's wavefunction into a threatened square of one of your pieces < 1354826273 827912 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.11.116.85 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*g < 1354826294 590113 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh fudge. I just clicked on a link from the Wikipedia article "Differential game" and it led me to an article co-written by the head of my university's math department. < 1354826305 966336 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: how spiked does it need to be? < 1354826356 939450 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! What is the criterion in quantum football? < 1354826451 891446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just got back from a tour of the fourth oldest nuclear reactor in the USA < 1354826480 867051 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. which one is that? < 1354826493 729060 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm maybe we want probability 63/64 on the square. Or can we sum across all threatened squares actually? < 1354826664 286444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of many chess variant < 1354826852 468964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Huh? < 1354826893 842723 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh huh? < 1354826913 633239 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: don't you want to change your nick to Tneb? I think it would be better somehow < 1354826935 863471 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'd rather have Tanb, for etymological reasons < 1354826949 586732 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought about that, but it's not as good < 1354826977 436937 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Ngvd? < 1354826984 518449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip my e < 1354826996 924875 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not your e! < 1354827006 570649 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's my great-grandfather's e! < 1354827010 195644 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the e is required in Ngevd < 1354827012 770989 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which he got from his father! < 1354827017 159833 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which he got from his mother! < 1354827021 229055 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was called Elliott! < 1354827029 358158 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually true) < 1354827040 278975 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mildly misleading, but true) < 1354827231 508073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the e is somehow essential to make the initial ŋ sound < 1354827936 300329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: MIT Nuclear Research Reactor < 1354827962 481413 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1354828032 185018 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354828108 428343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354828121 720524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of only a few reactors that still uses highly enriched uranium < 1354828148 262394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they describe their fuel as "self-protecting", which means that it would be extremely difficult to steal it without killing yourself immediately < 1354828157 338123 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :innovative < 1354828157 430486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1354828174 750641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not realise MIT had a nuclear reactor < 1354828178 530973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly more scared of them now < 1354828214 995256 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I like their style < 1354828217 549533 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recently found out that one of the older reactors (used for the Manhattan Project) is relatively near me, so i thought that might have been it for some reason < 1354828224 271550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just any reactor, a super old reactor that uses HEU, *and* they let undergrads control it! < 1354828233 301861 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354828249 724483 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like we're safe forever! < 1354828307 993088 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world's first commercial nuclear power plant is in the next county over from here < 1354828340 636130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm how do I identify a Church numeral in order to print its value, I should probably know this < 1354828357 900301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought i did that a while ago. < 1354828360 417991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: which reactor is that? < 1354828383 991875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for which esolang... < 1354828419 299903 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the B reactor at "Site W" < 1354828438 493482 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer I came up with was "have the interpreter evaluate it with args add1 and 0, then print the result < 1354828441 530978 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, apparently that was the first full scale reactor < 1354828443 726521 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1354828458 114721 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it was http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora%27s_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download < 1354828462 702973 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1354828475 698980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: well yeah that was about what i did < 1354828480 912172 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will at least give the right answer for Church numerals and mumblesomething for other functions < 1354828491 261397 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my better esolangs < 1354828496 571606 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name too < 1354828501 154654 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay cool, if I am like oerjan I am probably correct :-) < 1354828562 410923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Hanford site? < 1354828566 335404 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354828584 964440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun < 1354828598 779632 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never been there. aaaand i don't think they exactly offer tours < 1354828599 600935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :those old manhattan project facilities are all super contaminated < 1354828609 346378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because they didn't really give a shit about safety or the environment back then < 1354828618 544124 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they even know how to give a shit about it yet? < 1354828638 241296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MIT reactor is almost as old (well, about 10 years younger) but is in the middle of a dense metropolitan area and so i guess they had to be more careful < 1354828638 497042 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that would have been before they did those "set off a nuke, make soldiers sit nearby, see if they throw up" experiments < 1354828642 938474 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354828665 597850 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining an mit building constructed entirely out of lead < 1354828716 146324 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Church numerals as de Bruijn indices?!? You're a madman! < 1354828731 115722 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I just write the esolang < 1354828735 242984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty boring looking on the outside < 1354828735 480878 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have to use it < 1354828736 311122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wgbh.org/imageassets/0321reactor.jpg < 1354828758 48229 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was meant to be BIT-sans-brackets < 1354828761 447094 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a water tower... < 1354828767 956598 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably what they modeled it after < 1354828783 875002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354828837 96952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the things they use it for is radiation therapy for cancer < 1354828843 808298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they produce isotopes for medical use < 1354828851 937216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they also actually perform experimental therapies at the reactor < 1354828857 662901 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what < 1354828865 101390 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they move patients to a reactor? < 1354828879 713092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boron_neutron_capture_therapy < 1354828892 271819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that dude in the pic looks like a cyborg < 1354828892 799477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they give you a drug with a bunch of boron in it, that preferentially binds to cancer cells < 1354828903 15144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they take you to the reactor and put your head right up against the core and open a little window < 1354828908 66175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you get mucho neutrons in the brain < 1354828909 594446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting their brain scanned with science and radiation < 1354828914 507109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they make the boron radioactive < 1354828916 178999 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good god < 1354828918 799974 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turning it into neutrons < 1354828921 899201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure this is how science works?? < 1354828928 586929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354828938 275678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is one of those "well, he already *has* cancer" type of therapies < 1354828940 105361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do like the idea of just shoving people into a nuclear reactor as treatment < 1354828954 44444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354828955 419033 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're thinking of magix < 1354828958 981444 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*c < 1354828961 125717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"well, we destroyed the cancer. also everything else" < 1354828965 834967 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radiotherapy always makes me remember what i've read from Goiânia now < 1354828970 433626 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm unreasonably spooked by it < 1354829010 909173 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Just fall into a nuclear reactor and hope for the best" < 1354829060 417198 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you get free radiotherapy if you work as a nuke diver < 1354829203 613075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354829226 456646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : That will at least give the right answer for Church numerals and mumblesomething for other functions <-- my implementation (the churchToInt function in that page) does what i could to make sure it errors out on anything not a church numeral, by making anything that shouldn't pass on an annotated number value clear it to Nothing. < 1354829312 775203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's all this then < 1354829322 175981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and by using v as the actual combinator used when you try to use a number as a function, this makes it useless for everything functional. < 1354829420 150552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:20:57: wow, what < 1354829420 262487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:21:05: they move patients to a reactor? < 1354829429 79436 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354829444 202098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the 80s they used the particle accelerator at lawrence berkeley labs for cancer treatment < 1354829483 892020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involved timing particle decays so they dumped all the energy in the tumour < 1354829501 404230 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my Haskell is not great but I will try to understand your approach :-) < 1354829516 696573 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, haha that is awesome < 1354829553 169173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :markus hess also tampered with the control computers at some point, which is why i know that < 1354829563 914984 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: oh, tswett and myself want to know about continuous chess? < 1354829570 287855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354829621 795390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right uh the gist of it is that for a board you have [0,8]^2 < 1354829643 902598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your pieces are a collection of disjoint subsets of that < 1354829666 775368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rules for moving are that < 1354829676 526184 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354829688 63376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a) the piece's measure must be conserved < 1354829726 297346 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354829731 924489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b) the displacement of the centroid of the piece must correspond to a legal chess move for that piece < 1354829746 610105 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354829746 681475 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354829771 646096 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes this so far < 1354829777 623307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a 'move' is a function f that satisfies these properties, also) < 1354829813 880688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c) for all x in the piece being moved, there may not be any other piece along the line from x to f(x) < 1354829829 750758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the exceptions to c) are that knight may move through other piece of your colour < 1354829858 923891 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that you can move through opposing piece if there is some other piece being moved to its location < 1354829925 61604 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, is time continuous too? < 1354829931 534512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354829933 222030 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354829935 924456 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lame < 1354829947 209056 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354829973 222594 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does capturing proceed? < 1354829973 811750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still better than the other crap being proposed during the chess variant fad < 1354829985 972665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we started to make time continuous < 1354829990 716779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it kind of went badly < 1354829997 546192 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :persevere! < 1354830003 4288 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, you capture opposing piece if you map your piece onto it < 1354830020 578262 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second exception to c) is basically "you can move through opposing piece that you've captured" < 1354830031 281631 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354830058 235545 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly onto it? Do all pieces have the same measure? < 1354830071 452881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :initially, yes < 1354830088 841805 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's even alternating games with continuous time in math < 1354830092 772640 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that sounds insane < 1354830102 312765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the measure of a captured piece obviously decreases < 1354830135 320142 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :additional challenges: incorporate castling and promotion into this < 1354830171 677064 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dynamic noncooperative game theory" hm yes this sounds reasonable < 1354830186 45819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thompson's lamp: the game < 1354830204 698372 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not even thompson's lamp < 1354830217 32937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thompson's lamp at least only switches countably many times < 1354830217 131096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant if you made it continuous-time < 1354830221 912174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is one way you could do it < 1354830225 886059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of < 1354830246 452679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although is Q continuous? < 1354830247 667009 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354830264 59854 :xDEADCA7!~ared@host53-188-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1354830270 20855 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: erm as I was saying: < 1354830278 834127 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do all pieces have the same measure? < 1354830286 332057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but the measure of a captured piece obviously decreases < 1354830286 424994 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : additional challenges: incorporate castling and promotion into this < 1354830291 972326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:41:11 initially, yes < 1354830292 837270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1354830310 528577 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so you can capture *part* of a piece, interesting < 1354830318 958549 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354830336 72619 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also < 1354830340 707213 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@82.132.249.216 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354830345 41044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1354830345 112432 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1354830356 811011 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, get out! < 1354830357 855401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i actually had it so knight can move through any piece whatsoever, not just friendly < 1354830361 139341 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never liked him anyway < 1354830382 498817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can use it to capture parts of enemy piece < 1354830445 89857 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you describe again the rule about moving through an enemy piece, not sure I got that bit < 1354830469 654217 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't move through enemy piece unless you're also capturing it in the same move < 1354830544 432922 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so your destination has to partly overlap the enemy piece in question < 1354830563 404814 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354830655 634156 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354830656 347977 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is check/mate the obvious extension, or anything fancy about it? < 1354830706 642841 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obvious extension being "as long as part of the king would escape the threatened capture you're fine, otherwise you're in check") < 1354830709 380852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the obvious extension, which i'm fairly sure also makes it undecidable to work out who's won a general match < 1354830727 826260 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I write it explicitly as it may not be as obvious as I thought) < 1354830733 240102 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354830832 231233 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a single piece split into N disjoint parts (as long as total measure is preserved)? The wording was a bit unclear < 1354830844 568266 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it can < 1354830877 318826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'disjoint subsets' bit just means you can't have pieces overlapping < 1354830877 709458 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no nonmeasurable pieces, huh. sad < 1354830897 641631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well everything is undecidable < 1354830901 250583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the functions can be uncomputable < 1354830942 741890 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how we would even *start* a match never mind finish one ;-) < 1354830985 349220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, even if you restrict it to computable functions though < 1354831102 172083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :might restrict to polygonal pieces < 1354831107 389591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, me and oko played like 2 matches with a 3x3 board and just kings in opposite corners once < 1354831110 527563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what do you mean, BORING?) < 1354831199 931460 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, connected < 1354831241 87236 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :convex polygons would still give you a weird amoeba chess < 1354831257 662057 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-10.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354831343 914180 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess strategies in continuous games are basically solutions to first order differential equations < 1354831364 735112 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what you do next (your derivative) depends on the other guy's state < 1354831365 722884 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354831368 611998 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354831368 695146 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*dramatic sigh* < 1354831371 77255 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and vice versa < 1354831397 186766 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354831592 192174 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354831655 185115 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354831683 594312 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractran is awesome :-) < 1354831780 514966 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1354832194 946566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok, augh don't talk about differential equations < 1354832237 922467 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354832307 890062 :xDEADCA7!~ared@host53-188-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Quit: Sto andando via < 1354832563 172647 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354832760 790056 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354832953 59350 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354832961 710956 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-17-8-153.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1354834009 293515 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354834058 571665 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354834069 435727 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354834151 765197 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 PART :#esoteric < 1354834293 36734 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354834308 747618 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354834339 619778 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354834392 966664 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354834431 556613 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354834525 969775 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-7.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354834764 457076 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354834791 626531 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354834791 699930 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-43-239.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354834791 700071 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354834894 861988 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-7.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354835152 511771 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-9.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354836534 167236 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354836579 285780 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354837905 401313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354838149 249441 :greyooze!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354838244 660668 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-36-9.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1354838248 619365 :greyooze!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1354838314 741286 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :question < 1354838377 286583 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot's funge code go all the way up to handling the IRC protocol, or is there a separate IRC layer that just passes lines down/up? < 1354838377 754808 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: it had the usual arithmetic operators and all! < 1354838390 977599 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say! < 1354838464 629716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely seem to recall it uses the actual socket fingerprint for funge-98 < 1354838489 613876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not even netcat < 1354838529 108810 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Befunge is easily the best general-purpose programming language. < 1354838529 450642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read the code myself, mind you < 1354838559 633693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1354838559 989306 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1354838593 633991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the "KCOS" must be it < 1354838639 576293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: it handles the sockets, even < 1354838687 584690 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :detroppus ton KCOS, I like this language ;-) < 1354838694 786267 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, that is pretty cool < 1354838745 930272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: line 105 is also pretty clear < 1354838813 221620 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :line 153 there has a fnord and a big triangle :-) < 1354838818 621040 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoever wrote that needs either a medal or to be committed < 1354838822 933275 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a 0gnirts or whatever they're called < 1354838827 334823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY NOT BOTH < 1354838843 622911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1354838855 354219 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to suggest both! < 1354838855 650654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Øgnirts < 1354838869 537571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: ("whoever wrote that" is always fizzie) < 1354838964 56162 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie wrote ALL the programs < 1354838976 379094 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the rather literal "channels" that move the IP about < 1354838980 754241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i think the fnord may be part of fungot's autobabbling code, it has certain very common words (actually mostly punctuation and smileys) built into the code < 1354838981 211367 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: say a list of the commands? < 1354839000 718032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :interestingly, that triggers a bug in the darwin style < 1354839004 739178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1354839005 53457 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1354839013 68550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please demonstrate < 1354839013 931420 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: proceeding northward,/ quantity on an equal number :) times to/ fnord < 1354839030 645201 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: elaborate < 1354839031 269582 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i am now going to captain fitz-roy, october, 12th and 13th 1867. < 1354839080 529968 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: say hi to him from me < 1354839080 998977 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: table 4.24.4. illegitimate union: 52: 0. < 1354839186 888043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that ":)" should actually be "of" and "/" is probably also wrong, maybe "the" < 1354839238 307332 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354839239 749106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because darwin didn't actually use smileys or that other punctuation, some tables got indexed wrong < 1354839252 385329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is my vague understanding < 1354839270 317126 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354839276 347814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW RUDE < 1354839307 207387 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1354839428 292631 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354839474 940756 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354839532 371386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I WAS TALKING TO YOU < 1354839539 898321 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry :< < 1354839576 5848 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last was yeah, the triangle seems to be applying the punctuation/smilies < 1354839591 841319 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you DARE accidentally lose connection when I'm talking to you! < 1354839593 238121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :never saw that < 1354839603 870313 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/lose/losing/ < 1354839606 759496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fizzie wrote ALL the programs < 1354839661 17726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: logs are in the topic :P < 1354839676 199204 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a less shady URL than before < 1354839705 708609 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also wondering why the fnord is split into two strings < 1354839717 993727 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably to allow the IP to travel between the parts < 1354839719 531132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's strange < 1354839743 899949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm yes there's a tall path there < 1354839826 91374 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the definition of g? < 1354839855 868923 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :pop x and y, then grab (x,y) in fungespace and push the value to the stack, or something? < 1354839865 479334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1354839891 361354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :p is the opposite < 1354839942 996218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :punctuation is handled specially because it has different spacing < 1354840016 330120 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how something enters the triangle though < 1354840043 341532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think j is a command that skips a specific distance ahead < 1354840050 490992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(jumps, even) < 1354840062 86972 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1354840156 842342 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how there's just comments sprinkled around the code < 1354840203 870031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::98 +`#v_ probably tests if the value is less than 17, so that the triangle is only used for values less than that < 1354840289 313559 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ais523 < 1354840289 470711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Have you considered trying to match wits with a rutabaga? < 1354840295 13070 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1354840317 31766 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354840328 216757 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :55) What else is there to vim besides editing commands? < 1354840328 648058 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1354840332 676246 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ No \ WELCOME \ WeLcOmE \ addquote \ addquotee \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ delquotee \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ google \ hatesgeo \ hi \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ k \ karma \ karma+ \ karma- \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ pastewisdom \ pastlog \ ping < 1354840344 811449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ais523 < 1354840347 929637 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :27) after all, what are DVD players for? \ 79) so a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.com might be self-relative, but a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com always means a.b.c.d.e.f.g.h.i.j.k.l.com.? \ 80) let's put that in the HackEgo quotes files, just to completely mystify anyone who looks back along them in the future \ 87) (still, whatever possessed anyone to invent the N-Gage?) \ 88) theory: < 1354840370 457426 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354840388 37766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure ais523 has spent any significant time in #haskell < 1354840401 426419 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan can you help me simplify (a-x)(b-x)...(z-x)? < 1354840415 795731 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 0 yw < 1354840421 544971 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you're fast < 1354840424 753127 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that rather simplified already? < 1354840426 893831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(old chestnut is old) < 1354840451 813976 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote FireFly < 1354840454 841744 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :60) * oerjan swats FireFly since he's easier to hit -----### Meh * FireFly dies < 1354840467 961021 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vim is a terrible editor, it doesn't even come with its own builtin psychoanalyst! < 1354840498 554701 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ < 1354840501 967293 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354840510 635025 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 88 < 1354840513 771245 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :88) theory: some amused deity is making the laws of physics up as they go along < 1354840520 189259 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ `ls `run rev < 1354840523 191163 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't exec "`run": No such file or directory at /hackenv/bin/@ line 2. \ `ls: < 1354840610 377375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ FireFly echo That's not how `@ works < 1354840613 547863 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: That's not how `@ works < 1354840683 239167 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`@ oerjan I just naively guessed based on the little I know about Lambdabot's @@ < 1354840685 798017 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't exec "I": No such file or directory at /hackenv/bin/@ line 2. \ oerjan: < 1354840690 33736 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, + echo < 1354840724 173101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi FireFly < 1354840736 413002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enjoying the lenses? < 1354840767 678065 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have two in front of my eyes at the moment < 1354840782 563249 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and two more inside them < 1354840791 298108 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-5.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354840838 553574 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1354840852 428932 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rather enjoying them; they simplify my life a great deal < 1354840885 556029 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess you do have the advantage of redundancy < 1354840888 940602 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you talking about those inside? < 1354840913 847532 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i'm sure those only complicate life < 1354840937 916035 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354841018 240187 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I just started watching the walking dead and I have this weird feeling < 1354841037 15113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's crap < 1354841043 83746 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no I like it a lot < 1354841049 524045 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was only the first episode < 1354841051 719534 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I like zombies < 1354841054 998771 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1354841087 134141 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so far it isn't full of the stereotypes you see in *every* zombie film < 1354841106 532530 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apart from the fact that the streets are full of zombies but that's kind of the idea < 1354841108 100062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the `word on the street' is that it fairly quickly degenerates into a cavalcade of "which character will become an asshole for the sole purpose of creating a problem for this episode?!" < 1354841120 905995 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahah < 1354841127 859752 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354841131 230388 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there aren't so many characters yet < 1354841136 883582 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not counting the dead ones) < 1354841159 282040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there was something about the showrunner firing the other writers and driving the programme off a cliff at the start of the second season < 1354841182 141638 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at the same time it has a proper dose of suspense and stuff, and at the same time it isn't really like a "horror movie" < 1354841236 402596 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaanyway I'll watch a second episode before I make my opinion < 1354841263 746382 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard nothing but praise for the game though, fwiw < 1354841311 880409 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1354841374 444594 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354841432 125826 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: zzz < 1354842464 342325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who changed youtube behind my back < 1354842495 788263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They had a big discussion/vote in the comments section of every video! < 1354842495 897666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me! < 1354842499 648285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE YOU SHOULD HAVE PARTICIPATED < 1354842549 451074 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :google appears to have looked at facebook's ui and said "i want some of that" < 1354843064 882029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently los angeles has this form of weather where it rains and also the framerate gets really bad < 1354843085 767279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :framerain < 1354843092 836393 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I get a FREE MEGABUS TICKET to Los Angeles? < 1354843187 574048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah megabus is running in CA again < 1354843214 612150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could also get a FREE MEGABUS TICKET NYC <-> BOS < 1354843217 782721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or apparently anywhere else. < 1354843222 171565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354843228 583922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :promotion code TRYMEGABUS < 1354843232 796063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jan 9 to feb 28 < 1354843240 22172 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can you explain this I,I thing shachaf does to me < 1354843240 744678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1354843250 298217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "i have no point, i just like saying" < 1354843256 386963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an owl face. < 1354843260 607253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :used to prefix a statement which is not meant to be entirely serious < 1354843260 687381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what is the etymology < 1354843262 780851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it's an owl face < 1354843268 439894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An owl wearing glasses. < 1354843276 317374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the etymology is that phrase which has the form "i ..., i ..." < 1354843288 660254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i, even i, can play dead < 1354843314 215096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why was h afraid of i" < 1354843326 469639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that is a really fucking dumb etymology < 1354843330 491989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should feel bad < 1354843335 34560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1354843338 94610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fair point < 1354843346 423045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but have you considered eating a dick instead < 1354843378 268408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"why was ε afraid of ζ" < 1354843421 411801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because zeta eta leta? < 1354843435 954027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ζηθ < 1354843525 485752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ate a... theatre? < 1354843537 54975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :theta < 1354843544 228922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :theatres, so yummy < 1354843548 771821 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i assumed there was more pun to it < 1354843558 596146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's as much of a pun as 7 8 9 < 1354843581 753159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, mega pun < 1354843630 387213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least a beta laugh < 1354843734 707863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess iota stop < 1354843875 61486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote oerjan < 1354843875 257121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan says: i only do impractical things < 1354843897 659727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do quote; done | grep oerjan | head -n1 < 1354843930 357497 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or < 1354843952 73945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/quote < 1354843955 61020 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/quote < 1354843958 418615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do bin/quote; done | grep oerjan | head -n1 < 1354843991 555773 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nl: quotes: No such file or directory \ bash: bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: bin/quote: < 1354844000 419199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844003 377915 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :523) I'm sacrificing the animals, then I'm going to bed. < 1354844007 553786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1354844020 686335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for i in 1 2; do quote; done < 1354844024 191725 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :145) "Europe is the national anthem of the Republic of Kosovo." alise: I I was going to say something then your last line floored me \ 410) No nasty sounds for a while now. Going to turn off and on and see if the numbers get worse. < 1354844053 690222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for i in `seq 1 2`; do quote; done < 1354844056 940634 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6) what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 687) elliott: Back in my day, I didn't have to walk with a cane, but I couldn't shake it at kids on my lawn either! < 1354844103 827296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for i in `seq 1 100`; do quote; done | grep oerjan | head -n1 < 1354844131 306046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :20) In an alternate universe, ehird has taste < 1354844157 610842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do quote; done | grep oerjan | head -n1 < 1354844190 530486 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or < 1354844199 112831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote oerjan | shuffle | head -n1 < 1354844202 624221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: shuffle: command not found < 1354844208 474250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote oerjan | shuf | head -n1 < 1354844211 746715 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :702) oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? fizzie: +47 oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. I... guess you are geographically, too. < 1354844213 758807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help < 1354844217 977779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it giving that error? < 1354844224 563360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while true; do shuffle; sleep 86400; done < 1354844252 430459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do quote; done < 1354844256 71727 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :304) destroying a local copy of the world is kind of like raping a robochick with a shovel tho \ 585) but i guess (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^2) if n is even, (x + y)^n = (x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)...(x^2 + 2xy + y^2)(x + y) is as good a fundamental theorem as any \ 300) i understand that people had to use twitter and facebook before irc was < 1354844274 122814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do quote; done | grep oerjan < 1354844276 287212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 304 < 1354844280 454498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: do you shuffle? < 1354844280 945224 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :( floreat fnord." < 1354844282 442655 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* destroying a local copy of the world is kind of like raping a robochick with a shovel tho < 1354844283 313803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :piggybacking the quote game on the for loops < 1354844292 677137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844295 503266 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :762) the killers dancer in my c*** < 1354844300 69429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844303 833074 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :324) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup < 1354844306 945616 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or directory \ bash: /hackenv/bin/quote: No such file or < 1354844307 446653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you have to do five btw < 1354844321 471677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844324 315795 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :280) BYE dbc WE'LL BE SURE TO ACCIDENTALLY MENTION YOUR NICK OFTEN < 1354844325 801761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844328 311483 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :94) Darn, now I can't acknowledge the reference you were making. < 1354844330 432674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844333 954837 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :785) STOP CAPITALIZING It's making me feel weird the I has to be capitilized its proper grammer < 1354844347 950655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 94 < 1354844348 732804 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : 20 4 * * * /usr/bin/smoke weed < 1354844359 286574 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be 20 16 in practice < 1354844363 779514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that's not raelly specified. < 1354844456 490006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both are acceptable < 1354844486 833257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quote < 1354844489 848422 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ grep -P -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1354844497 634422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: come on you have to come to a decision < 1354844498 765845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and delete one < 1354844502 593457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's how it works ! < 1354844516 776598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no binary named `smoke` in all of debian! < 1354844518 206976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: o rly < 1354844519 929864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/allquotes < 1354844522 691780 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ nl -w 1 -s ') ' quotes < 1354844541 822592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1354844555 552087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 762 < 1354844559 148752 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* the killers dancer in my c*** < 1354844563 171706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP < 1354844571 969501 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pour one out for 762 < 1354844593 836583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one was pretty funny at the time but admittedly it loses something without context < 1354844623 776526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844624 470364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844624 874312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844625 185218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844625 316083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844627 610617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354844630 127689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oopse" < 1354844637 235074 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :207) [CTCP] Received CTCP-ERRMSG reply from clog: unknown CTCP: ERRMSG. < 1354844640 97526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :26) ehird: There is no h in "honour" < 1354844685 222167 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :762) hang on I have bright idea navajo to f me 1 in 3 people < 1354844688 908708 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :747) I think we are sort of this insane, and also sort of not as much as insane, and also sort of a bit more insane than that, and also somewhat more various other thing at various times whatever you are discussing at that time < 1354844690 916336 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :647) characters in tv series should learn to check the timestamp before they get their hopes up... *no chance* this will work at 10 minutes into the episode < 1354844692 870464 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :357) I hope type inference isn't difficult < 1354844763 786842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WINE is sort of like a dancing bear < 1354844794 713611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks kmc may have had too much < 1354844808 324801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the marvel is not that the bear dances well, but that he dances at all < 1354844923 999582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl, playing grand theft auto as long as i hit enter at just the right time < 1354844937 973980 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it is annoying when nobody will give you tips on bear dancing because you pirated the bear this analogy is falling apart rapidly < 1354844964 301512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't download a bear? < 1354844977 582686 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or go to the toilet in its helmet < 1354845315 784218 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354845346 127722 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1354846188 389532 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : you wouldn't download a bear? // what kind of bear are we talking about < 1354846209 559123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bear < 1354846225 901659 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Insufficient disambiguation. < 1354846288 351446 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354846299 470941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bear < 1354846463 38850 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354846527 716114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote edwardk unsafeCoerce < 1354846527 872404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk says: this breaks my previous record of 6 unsafeCoerce's in a line < 1354846561 525303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HWN is out) < 1354846580 845018 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354847732 697740 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354847883 160747 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354847890 167984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge http://matthias-ernst.eu/malbolge/quine.mb < 1354847896 183952 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bt&A@?>=<;49876543210/.-,+*)('&%$#"!~}|=<;k9876543Q10p.o,+*)('&%$#"!~}vuz]xwvutsrkpSnmlkjihgfeH]baZ_XWV[ZSXW:9TSRQJONMLEJCHGFED'&A@?>7<}{{yywwuussqqoommkki'~g$#"y~a|{zyxwvutsVkpohmfkjihafedGFa`_^]\>><<::8866442200..,HGF?('BA@?>=<;:9876543,10/.o,+*)('&%e#"!b}v{zyxwvotslqponQlejihgJ_dcba`CX]\[ZY=~;:z276w43s10/p-,l$)(i&%e#"!b}|^tyx[vutVrqTonmOkjMKgfe^cFa`_X]\?Z if and [x `mod` n == 0,x /= 0] then '\n':y:acc else y:acc) [] $ zip [0..] string < 1354905321 939177 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354905332 18423 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldr (\(x,y) acc -> if and [x `mod` 3 == 0,x /= 0] then '\n':y:acc else y:acc) [] $ zip [0..] "Meow, I am a cheesey horse." < 1354905333 519057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Meo\nw, \nI a\nm a\n ch\nees\ney \nhor\nse." < 1354905435 382056 :ifnspifn!~ifnspifn@184.90.25.102 QUIT :Quit: ifnspifn < 1354905442 589040 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354905462 507454 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :club sauce, sounds tasty < 1354905541 888176 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354905560 112894 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354905560 186132 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354905694 153427 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"* oerjan is reminded of Gregor's (?) horrible tome of eval puns" <-- I desire to know more < 1354905720 990911 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1354905721 303551 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) < 1354905729 116581 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhh < 1354905736 692174 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354905742 288012 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wondered what that one was, fungot! < 1354905742 908442 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: whitmore. come, come, < 1354905765 279131 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fungot, I don't want to go to Whitmore :< < 1354905766 190820 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: 2 you shall haue your will, as't please your lordship, to day the lords you talke of horse and armour? < 1354905777 542734 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354905796 754745 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FR: make it work in iambic pentameter :-3 < 1354905801 16906 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/jv/pubs/ecoop11.pdf < 1354905859 58960 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if we collected a list of puns we rejected X-D < 1354905906 143172 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Eval that Men Do" <-- begin as you mean to continue, I see < 1354905922 603638 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1354905974 467462 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intercalate "\n" . chunk 3 $ "Meow, I am a cheesey horse." < 1354905976 333279 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Meo\nw, \nI a\nm a\n ch\nees\ney \nhor\nse." < 1354906055 224271 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to figure out a possible use for that output < 1354906066 436107 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intercalate "\n" . chunksOf 3 $ "Meow, I am a cheesey horse." < 1354906068 215062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Meo\nw, \nI a\nm a\n ch\nees\ney \nhor\nse." < 1354906069 471749 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ^ < 1354906088 212300 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(chunksOf is in Data.List.Split) < 1354906154 402960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Get with the program: < 1354906179 366582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Meow, I am a cheesey horse."^.folded.chunking 3.to (intercalate "\n") < 1354906181 355212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `chunking' < 1354906190 604288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Meow, I am a cheesey horse."^.folded.Data.List.Split.Lens.chunking 3.to (intercalate "\n") < 1354906192 112307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `Data.List.Split.Lens.chunking' < 1354906195 385843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1354906221 965291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let chunking s l f = coerce . traverse f . Data.List.Split.chunksOf s . toListOf l < 1354906222 687967 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :8:18: Not in scope: `coerce' < 1354906226 530161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph! < 1354906251 46131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let chunking s l f = traverse f . Data.List.Split.chunksOf s . toListOf l < 1354906253 90450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1354906254 94967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t chunking < 1354906255 313562 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Alternatively, cabal install lens and go through the above contortions. < 1354906255 386643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => Int -> Getting (Endo [e]) s t e b1 -> ([e] -> f b) -> s -> f [b] < 1354906269 453279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Meow, I am a cheesey horse."^.folded.chunking 3.to (intercalate "\n") < 1354906270 940817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1354906271 21193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type... < 1354906274 735146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey, these contortions are all lambdabot's fault. < 1354906279 475214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1354906280 823953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives up. < 1354906331 442893 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I know, but even your first line feels like contortions for an isolated case. :-P < 1354906338 874213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I was not entirely serious < 1354906360 527032 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354906364 19858 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't entirely sure. < 1354906438 777200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION might write it that way in practice, though < 1354906451 166288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you can stuff other stuff in there if you want < 1354906506 519389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that without lenses, too; it's called function composition. < 1354906571 951172 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354906575 697849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on your "stuff" < 1354906611 650597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly this one is pathological < 1354906614 350792 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: read the paper, I've seen worse punderstorms :-P < 1354906656 594212 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think your "chunking" has incorrect type, but the expression you gave doesn't work with lens-3.7.0.1 regardless. < 1354906661 965654 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Thanks < 1354906674 853680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right my chunking is wrong < 1354906694 41296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the whole expression < 1354906695 305051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares!! < 1354906700 125708 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? GreyKnight < 1354906705 850710 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I'm planning on writing a program that outputs ascii graphics < 1354906706 381224 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1354906713 884349 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I need newlines < 1354906714 629838 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw I'm not famous :< < 1354906724 476425 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? FreeFull < 1354906727 661275 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure. \ F.r.e.eFull likes messing around way too much < 1354906744 552623 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? elliott < 1354906747 988051 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? < 1354906760 206959 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"complain a lot" ;-) < 1354906776 588420 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: read the paper, I've seen worse punderstorms :-P // that's because you don't have the pile of puns we rejected. < 1354906800 104653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should put something about my vicious wiki dictatorship in my entry < 1354906802 273097 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go on, share a few < 1354906805 489585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instill the fear of god into people < 1354906856 814544 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I was wondering if the particular sentence Deewiant used was something, or maybe he's a Markov device like fungot! < 1354906857 943872 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: fran. for this purpose? lord. by his great authority; which often hath no less than what he found himselfe was apt, and my fnord may call him my master, mr. g. fnord. < 1354906861 677132 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See no Eval, Hear no Eval, Speak no Eval. The Origin of Eval. True Eval. < 1354906873 786101 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe end it with something like "Does not do anything with the wiki. Ask oerjan about the wiki." < 1354906883 484359 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Root of All Eval < 1354906894 278251 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That was a potential title for the paper, but was rejected for suggesting provenance) < 1354906915 903166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hah < 1354906934 882206 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? wiki < 1354906938 186815 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The wiki is at http://esolangs.org/wiki < 1354906938 347509 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "The only thing necessary for eval to succeed is for good researchers to do nothing" < 1354906984 705797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that might be the only truthful wisdom in the database < 1354907004 640671 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Damn, that should've gone into Eval Begone :( < 1354907056 163280 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :repay eval with eval? I suppose that isn't quite the point you want to get across ;-) < 1354907067 827016 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for "eval to him who eval thinks" < 1354907126 178094 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I suppose you did give a few valid cases for it in the paper really < 1354907134 640189 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it would have fitted in :-) < 1354907146 412316 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH WELL < 1354907149 409710 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on to bigger and less punny things. < 1354907177 995202 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1354907538 836543 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Repay eval with apply < 1354907567 744869 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applies a Y-combinator to FreeFull < 1354907574 984653 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While JavaScript provides a few other entry points to code injection, such as setInterval, setTimeout [...]" ← those are provided by DOM, no? < 1354907608 301328 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think `eval` and `Function` are the only ES-specced places where you can inject source code as a string programatically < 1354907615 449769 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: “JavaScript” is not “ECMAScript” < 1354907621 116219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354907622 476360 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, fair enough < 1354907648 698057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Those quotes, really. < 1354907655 435110 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usu. we colloquially use “JavaScript” to mean “that language and suite of libraries sorta kinda implemented by browsers.” < 1354907660 439640 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION never reaches fixed point < 1354907661 803648 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: DEAL WITH IT < 1354907667 763169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Seriously. < 1354907673 352536 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about "ActionScript" < 1354907696 737251 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's a dialect of the abandoned 4th ed. ECMAScript < 1354907705 237083 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“ActionScript” < 1354907827 53728 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: „Just for you, I'll start using German quotes.“ < 1354907866 66910 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«I'm French!» < 1354907892 998119 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :»I'm swedish and this is supposedly how we're meant to quote things» < 1354907917 543018 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: wut < 1354907927 255005 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I honestly have "no idea" how to "quote" things' < 1354907927 384954 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: That's even worse than "ASCII quotes". < 1354907940 391200 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it is < 1354907948 112561 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ”Or this.” < 1354907948 269455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't realise Gregor was one of Those People. < 1354907966 355090 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, he also likes an operating system that currently exists < 1354907967 183332 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C2%BB#Uses huh < 1354907970 993206 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It all started with diaeresis marks in this channel ;) < 1354907984 39976 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think both »this« and »this» are officially endorsed, then < 1354907987 549737 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :and both are weird < 1354907991 566665 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :– Or this, which is more common at least in Finnish. < 1354908024 505805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: *diæresis < 1354908028 922037 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: yeah, that's just as ugly < 1354908042 881430 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric : FireFly: ”Or this.” <-- that one, that is < 1354908048 763524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: More like FNINISH. < 1354908054 871111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Did you hear fizzie and oklopol were in the same city? < 1354908067 330455 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, you were quite loud about it. < 1354908070 327915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: FURNISH. < 1354908072 396686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :VARNISH. < 1354908077 47691 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1354908078 342156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland = land of varnish? Confirm for me Deewiant. < 1354908094 364578 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354908096 894046 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¨Diæresis marks for quotes? Now I've heard everything.¨ < 1354908108 345460 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1354908120 118636 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bravo, sir. < 1354908143 982608 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, at least I have a varnished desk, if that counts. < 1354908155 420440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Sounds like incontrovertible proof for me. < 1354908157 463192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :To me. < 1354908160 183117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1354908163 483277 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*of me < 1354908168 662253 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I just found the unicode block at U+1F000, I didn't know this existed < 1354908178 397187 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mahjong tiles? < 1354908206 278335 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :🐐 <(Unicode goat laments your inability to render Unicode goat!) < 1354908282 716467 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :🐃 < 1354908289 208712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1354908316 213368 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's just an ASCII space, that's not interesting at all. < 1354908339 531882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: OTOH: you're an ASCII space? < 1354908349 850185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just saw blank spaces for the previous line. rxvt's fault?? < 1354908351 515443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe mosh's fault < 1354908362 923244 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also saw nothing, and for Gregor's goat < 1354908371 335468 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCCE45.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354908376 289719 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use mosh so maybe it's urxvt. < 1354908383 786246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be silly. Everyone uses mosh < 1354908392 550637 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn32-136.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1354908398 948855 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidently I'm an ASCII space so I don't count as being part of "everyone". < 1354908451 407931 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-15-7.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354908457 95571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII spaces are people too??? < 1354908506 825803 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw ASCII spaces. < 1354908524 208726 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 🐃 and 🐐 show up as unicode animals for me < 1354908534 146267 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really see them that well due to font size though < 1354908535 911723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: IMO: you're a unicode animal? < 1354908552 355591 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which one? < 1354908558 66340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :All of them < 1354908610 202123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can mosh turn off Unicode yet? Linux can turn off Unicode. < 1354908635 149076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask kmc Can mosh turn off Unicode yet? Linux can turn off Unicode. < 1354908635 302526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354908754 229993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1354908754 312021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354908759 123373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1354908759 401839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 2m 4s ago: Can mosh turn off Unicode yet? Linux can turn off Unicode. < 1354908775 916834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a good question < 1354908792 792090 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354908920 825445 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey there's dominos at U+1F030 too < 1354908929 428688 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: ”⃠ < 1354908934 779860 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just say no! < 1354909012 753364 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Mahjong tiles < 1354909048 231470 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite are the emoticons < 1354909056 844276 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's how we started off :-P < 1354909060 590406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1354909063 303113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :☹ < 1354909072 252469 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1354909078 705753 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody loves them some U+1F63B 😻 < 1354909092 815514 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354909098 448908 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! is +[+ < 1354909105 241601 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, +[+] < 1354909108 513914 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :😀 < 1354909110 707331 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an infinite loop in brainfuck? < 1354909121 769154 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on the implementation < 1354909127 742423 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :jdiez: Only if cells don't wraparound < 1354909132 996808 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1354909143 276327 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it should be regardless of that < 1354909147 711912 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only incrementing the value < 1354909149 759445 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of a single cell < 1354909158 666405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :jdiez: Yeah, but if the cell overflows, it will eventually be 0 < 1354909158 823433 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some implementations use modular arithmetic, though. < 1354909169 980490 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ah, okay, mine doesn't < 1354909172 304681 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 2^32-1 + 1 = 0 or whatever. < 1354909175 420112 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I meant by wraparound < 1354909181 45306 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a dialect of brainfuck that I'm calling spacefuck < 1354909184 100122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually s/32/8/ < 1354909208 928136 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're using a bf implementation with 32-bit cells, it will take a long time for the loop to terminate < 1354909222 854403 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god, another BF derivative < 1354909225 967573 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also hi jdiez < 1354909226 485894 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the implementation is in python so it has arbitrary precision < 1354909228 153315 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :⟨Oh, this | is what I was looking for⟩ < 1354909229 998031 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey FireFly :D < 1354909235 605791 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode is tiny! < 1354909242 805778 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1354909255 928136 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC is a small world < 1354909263 998043 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1354909292 145902 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if your BF uses bignums :-o < 1354909311 768543 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: You'll eventually run out of memory, and the loop will terminate then < 1354909314 920269 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case it's not only an infinite loop, but also a memory-hogger :P < 1354909318 472732 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jdiez, #esoteric and #0x10c-dev have a fair bit of overlap < 1354909321 96368 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modular arithmetic was good enough for your forefathers, young man < 1354909336 757768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: more than, say, 5 people? < 1354909349 750795 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shut up mum, you don't understand me ;_; < 1354909349 829121 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bf +[] < 1354909359 897583 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bf +.[]. < 1354909363 833246 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, somewhere between 1 and 3 < 1354909369 78653 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :.bf +[+.] < 1354909375 33155 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wrong command < 1354909376 77260 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[+.] < 1354909376 269300 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : . . !"#$%&'()*+,-./0123456789:;<=>?@ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ[\]^_`abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz{|}~ ... < 1354909391 278457 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. am i going to die in seven days now < 1354909401 500777 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, why? < 1354909406 741064 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +[] < 1354909411 652709 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the inverse video looks spooky < 1354909411 881029 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...out of time! < 1354909419 410374 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it take seven days to die? < 1354909423 450833 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spooky? < 1354909434 729565 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1354909445 986059 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1354909461 192649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi < 1354909465 673866 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1354909467 870958 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's ^V < 1354909528 195691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1354909591 497581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: itz,m whaever iwant!! < 1354909618 911814 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :We should play IRC chess ♖♘♗♕♔♗♘♖ < 1354909634 438893 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :04,01No, it isn't. < 1354909638 299865 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's your current conversation style? < 1354909639 412510 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: clar. or else you are that in this vniust diuorce of vs, and make the earth devour her own sweet fnord pluck the keen teeth from the fierce tiger's jaws, and burn, like horse, hound, hog, beare, fire, kill, kill him not! < 1354909656 973782 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1354909657 212861 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss* wp youtube < 1354909710 207371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style homestuck < 1354909710 520240 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: homestuck (Homestuck pages 1901-4673) < 1354909713 371785 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Meow < 1354909714 271082 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what the hell is that? < 1354909730 291518 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck seems rather mean < 1354909742 71561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also somewhat limited. < 1354909743 396601 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, it was a cheesy horse < 1354909744 26019 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: is it a mission critical text document with a velvet gloves. he is simply the best there is. < 1354909789 490488 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does not OCR pictures or desmurfpile Flashes. < 1354909825 19789 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, would you like to play a game? < 1354909825 563999 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: so the dumbest and most far fetched but whatever. you also like to play games sometimes. < 1354909847 979474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"desmurfpile" < 1354909871 832664 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :♣ Smurf Pile Club Sauce ♣ http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1354909893 289886 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION zaps Gregor ⚡ < 1354909909 661152 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight is like some sort of futuristic oerjan < 1354909936 25930 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a more ambiguous nick >_> < 1354910005 906822 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way? 😕 < 1354910008 540537 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Re. blanks instead of Unicode, I think it's the IRC client. I get a nice <0001f410> in another tmux window. < 1354910025 203384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: "No, except in the sense that it goes into my irc logs and would therefore be used if I were to rebuild the irc style.", to answer your question from a while ago. < 1354910036 557146 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1354910039 205952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Sucks < 1354910041 364152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is using irssi < 1354910068 115302 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Both of our nicks start with the same three characters, so to tab complete if we're both talking you need to type four >: ( < 1354910091 925899 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meow < 1354910105 339909 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCCE45.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354910131 124651 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com NICK :FuturisticOerjan < 1354910135 794784 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1354910137 287737 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much better. < 1354910140 791547 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or type g and press tab twice, depending on your client. < 1354910149 927423 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to twice* < 1354910157 749371 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot: < 1354910174 319188 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how some APL operators can serve as emoticons ⍢ < 1354910206 757510 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like a language I can write in without resorting to browsing through charmap =P < 1354910243 755347 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that with APL! As long as you have a space cadet keyboard ⍩ < 1354910369 562272 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354910384 111467 :mindlessDrone!~mindlessd@vpn32-136.rz.hs-offenburg.de PART :#esoteric < 1354910394 965747 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you find that confusing ⍨ < 1354910532 959361 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll be astonished ⍤ — astonished, I say! — ⍥ when you press a button on the keyboard ⌨ and APL comes out. You'll want to kiss it ⍣ < 1354910580 851396 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can, er, eat a breadstick? ⍡ I guess? < 1354910599 964615 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ö < 1354910668 391018 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write ♯ and ♭ with my keyboard < 1354910696 776913 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkb ships with an `apl` layout for entering APL characters < 1354910717 919210 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a physical one for Christmas < 1354910722 701339 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I don't want to switch to it in case I can't switch back < 1354910723 97093 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been good, Santa! < 1354910738 162682 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354910739 698774 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354910740 506250 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354910742 16524 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354910742 383048 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354910742 556855 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1354910775 248984 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, tried it out < 1354910780 940686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's confusing and ctrl doesn't work < 1354910806 345675 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also altgr+character inserts a two-byte non-unicode sequence < 1354910808 555704 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's meant to be used as an alternative layout that you switch to, or something < 1354910988 280100 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't really understand why I'm a futuristic oerjan < 1354911044 567960 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FuturisticOerjan ----## < 1354911057 100944 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-108.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354911057 172398 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354911057 172569 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354911057 172657 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354911057 172734 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354911057 172809 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1354911057 172887 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354911071 545246 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats FireFly ---### < 1354911092 306683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur swat is rong < 1354911119 828988 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+101D0 to U+101FF are the Phaistos Disc symbols, that is pretty darn cool when you think about it < 1354911200 790766 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats elliott ---### < 1354911225 965455 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm future oerjan, this is how we swat in the future! < 1354911227 976394 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't PETSCII in Unicode? < 1354911276 590684 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be actually, just not as a unified block < 1354911284 545018 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure you could find most or all of the symbols < 1354911285 525964 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia says it isn't. < 1354911341 269978 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :𐇐 < 1354911370 334687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I don't know < 1354911373 705875 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-108.elisa.ee PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1354911385 861821 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :PETSCII is a perfect candidate for one of the things unicode is for < 1354911441 441972 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, which ones aren't? < 1354911459 959490 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FuturisticOerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII#Codepage_layout < 1354911485 145403 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Unicode Feather can use ↞ and ⤛ < 1354911595 891734 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, looks like the "partway" lines aren't in < 1354911629 70105 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this table is a bit hard to use for this purpose < 1354911647 559279 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't seem to have the font required for some of the characters in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PETSCII#Codepage_layout < 1354911674 960405 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are actually being displayed as � < 1354911701 377266 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. 0x64 < 1354911871 152701 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1354911880 831101 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354911884 698694 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :433) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later nap in peace < 1354911946 434091 :ared_!~ared@host222-179-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1354911954 821454 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354912038 793447 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :↞⤛ hm < 1354912113 646836 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of the traditional feather methods <<= and =<< < 1354912150 495107 :ared_!~ared@host222-179-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354912154 901886 :ared__!~ared@host222-179-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1354912270 34133 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354912369 821255 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354912373 105016 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :39) Seconds. 30 of them. Did I forget the word? < 1354912413 681995 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a list of the quotes somewhere so I can have a gander without spamming? < 1354912413 793741 :ared_!~ared@host253-179-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1354912424 616096 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1354912428 869037 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27177 < 1354912466 940762 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1354912508 156670 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1354912585 16174 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 15 < 1354912588 96508 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :15) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. < 1354912593 695037 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what research? < 1354912594 887408 :ared__!~ared@host222-179-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354912915 877939 :ared_!~ared@host253-179-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it NICK :xDEADCA7 < 1354913107 774919 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I will have PETSCII compatibility in a computer system I design, regardless of if Unicode has it or not, because the system doesn't use Unicode (some programs might use any encoding they want, including Unicode, but it is not a part of the computer). < 1354913143 106755 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve < 1354913185 514699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not only PETSCII but also CP437 and some other things. < 1354913206 655685 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354913215 470088 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP437 might be the default character set (or maybe not) < 1354913489 411539 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no PETSCII must be default! < 1354913536 218994 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, I remember the context to 693 < 1354913541 805178 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 693 < 1354913544 895757 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :693) Incest, the enemy of graph theorists everywhere. < 1354913578 803505 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 117 <-- context?! < 1354913581 967100 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354913585 937126 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1354913587 498033 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 117 < 1354913591 286184 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :117) but yeah i'm not exactly comfortable with this stuff, to me it seems like if you can unscrew lightbulbs, why couldn't you see into the future, or through walls as well < 1354913599 893626 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hoped he would ignore anything after the number < 1354913609 236534 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, these are being run in a shell, aren't they? < 1354913639 461436 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1354913672 708834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354913718 840011 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 117 # lessee < 1354913721 637667 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354913723 994525 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1354913806 748583 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/jdiez17/spacefuck < 1354913820 361557 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, I may have implemented Yet Another Brainfuck Dialect < 1354913830 599274 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jdiez, run before PH hears < 1354913843 487188 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And writes about it on his Tumblr < 1354913847 65214 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the hello world is pretty self descriptive! https://github.com/jdiez17/spacefuck/blob/master/examples/hello.sf *giggles* < 1354913852 153762 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And replaces your brain with a brick < 1354913855 986546 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: :D < 1354913890 771437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1354913940 50190 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I swear I've seen something like that before < 1354913942 718736 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I enjoy the blog < 1354913971 794057 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well, there's Whitespace < 1354913974 29791 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is similar < 1354913988 93439 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, another brainfuck deriv < 1354914004 53903 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354914006 165470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_o < 1354914022 99278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives the future a warning swat -----### < 1354914044 785192 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came back to deliver a vital message! < 1354914070 286029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1354914074 709429 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't trust Gregor; he is not what he seems! < 1354914086 624092 :FuturisticOerjan!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com NICK :GreyKnight < 1354914118 673990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you mean Gregor actually has fashion sense? < 1354914121 517438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok who is 86.146.80.103 fess up < 1354914127 977905 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Gregor complained that I was ruining his tab-completion, and somebody claimed I was "like a futuristic oerjan" (I still don't know what this means (yay parentheses))) < 1354914154 632749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1354914183 300711 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : GreyKnight is like some sort of futuristic oerjan < 1354914210 228942 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IDK ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1354914223 582644 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :* GreyKnight zaps Gregor ⚡ < 1354914277 481378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb doesn't think i'm futuristic enough already ;_; < 1354914287 246438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354914300 253120 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you're still using a flyswatter < 1354914308 942664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no that's not me. < 1354914311 831026 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like, 16th century technology < 1354914374 43337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's hard to make an ascii zap that doesn't look like a saw < 1354914374 682501 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Taneb with a mediaeval swatter ---ᚙ < 1354914390 435155 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION dies and is reincarnated as Ngevd < 1354914393 779275 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net NICK :Ngevd < 1354914397 909654 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sup. < 1354914402 276576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inf. < 1354914459 759600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, taneb is/was ngevd < 1354914475 311106 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I'm also atriq < 1354914486 937552 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And elliott, but you're not allowed to know that < 1354914494 735685 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many names for one thing < 1354914497 758121 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I found a Persian swatter too ---𐏊 < 1354914531 195675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka Nathan van Doom, the Evil Mad Typographer < 1354914538 704267 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1354914542 455241 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The very same < 1354914600 618322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not me < 1354914616 133547 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor I < 1354914756 463115 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is you < 1354914764 674027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354914772 832372 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, someone else in hexham then < 1354914815 456970 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354914847 914248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354914852 519603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it geolocate there? < 1354914883 986956 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ogham has "feather marks" ᚛ and ᚜ < 1354914891 135985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: traceroute leads into bt.net < 1354914899 904146 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that hexham here refers to the whole UK/great britain/british isles/whatchamacallits < 1354914908 585287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly its Phantom_Hoover < 1354914949 947836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well reverse dns is btcentralplus < 1354914957 332527 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :my traceroute stops at "ilford" < 1354914966 861785 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Ogham also has a space mark that Unicode considers whitespace in spite of the fact that it's not white space. Makes for some fun JavaScript ;) < 1354914986 215132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mine got to 213.120.163.97 < 1354914994 430985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then stalled completely < 1354915007 660261 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean   ? It actually is blank in some fonts :-o < 1354915104 466715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was 7 jumps after ilford < 1354915113 215587 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Broken fonts >_> < 1354915138 865109 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the net result is that this is valid JS: var x = 42; < 1354915146 813596 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this is true:  42 == 42 < 1354915154 75918 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, mine also continued with a bunch of ips after ilford, but those aren't informative so I left them out < 1354915170 86986 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds perfect for obfuscation competitions < 1354915174 825210 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1354915177 123158 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ngevd: I wouldn't consider Zeus futuristic < 1354915186 775465 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :make people's heads spin :-D < 1354915187 171783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ / /g < 1354915218 259279 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :code standards fun: indent everything with ogham space marks < 1354915222 308320 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can also get some fun results with the zero-width space. < 1354915237 626753 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a zero-width space between -- and watch people's heads spin :) < 1354915252 662067 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1680.pdf has the comment "glyph is blank in 'stemless' style fonts" so I guess they are okay with it < 1354915254 124759 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's great. This'll finally put an end to the tabs-vs-spaces debate < 1354915257 489226 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a 4-width space? < 1354915263 211134 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-​-x; // does nothing < 1354915273 693340 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh you < 1354915345 948815 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/[:space:]/ /g < 1354915372 93337 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ᒿ = 3 in [2, ᒿ] < 1354915372 203181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1354915376 154914 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :,_, < 1354915397 191049 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/[:space:]/unsafeCoerce/g < 1354915446 780957 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be awesome and scary if unicode had a whitespace that looks like unsafeCoerce < 1354915477 257039 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354915483 139527 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354915487 27265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It doesn't seem to like ᒿ < 1354915488 606337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think unicode space characters are legal in haskell identifiers, whether alphanumeric or operators < 1354915500 243906 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+DEADCA75 < 1354915521 140700 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: unsafeCoerceunsafeCoerceunsafeCoerce < 1354915546 527138 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretend that the middle unsafeCoerce is actually whitespace < 1354915550 844867 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's a letter character though < 1354915568 69412 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ᒿ I mean < 1354915597 198023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: oh it is? well lambdabot isn't entirely utf-8 clean i guess. < 1354915636 997414 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromEnum 'å' < 1354915637 152748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1354915638 489914 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only Unicode space character that isn't white space is   < 1354915654 804882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "å" < 1354915655 38598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1354915666 10724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it's completely broken there. < 1354915671 474501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ?å < 1354915671 630382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fd:9: commitBuffer: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1354915689 758688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@echo å < 1354915689 918189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@echo \195\165"]} rest:"\ < 1354915689 997090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :195\165" < 1354915695 611012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :umph < 1354915703 924874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl å < 1354915704 81188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(line 1, column 2): < 1354915704 159078 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unexpected '\165' < 1354915704 237137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :expecting letter or digit, variable, "(", operator or end of input < 1354915722 801443 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unexpected ? < 1354915738 369496 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Ørjan" < 1354915738 526273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1354915742 876504 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm! < 1354915752 617277 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it treats each individual byte as a character for some reason < 1354915755 360701 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a socket issue < 1354915787 326758 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bytes as characters? In 2012?? < 1354915793 180606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Unicode only goes up to 21 bits < 1354915793 418054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354915796 860295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1354915797 100959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 5h 56m 56s ago: star651's languages appear to be esoteric mainly by way of being very poor < 1354915806 781421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I agree with this < 1354915816 994260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: or possibly lambdabot hasn't been updated on this since ghc got an entirely new system for choosing encoding < 1354915821 290641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a rank above Shameful, though < 1354915854 959169 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, what is rank above Shameful called? < 1354915864 3116 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shameless? < 1354915870 446345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually like that < 1354915883 255940 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's okay, it's also not a valid character :v < 1354915928 889977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "\195\165" < 1354915930 246435 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: : hPutChar: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1354915937 736378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1354915953 95122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it parsed fine in the input < 1354915956 556546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but refused to print it? < 1354915975 95722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect it breaks at various stages < 1354915975 772535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is \195\165 valid UTF-8 for anything?) < 1354915985 67223 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'd need to see it in binary. < 1354915988 380602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume it's å < 1354915991 813402 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm unwilling to decode octal. < 1354915993 784289 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like lamdabot is mangling its own input and/or output to guarantee errors < 1354915997 851219 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^asc å < 1354915998 267695 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :195. < 1354916001 252243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well it isn't octal because there's a 9 in there < 1354916005 607110 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1354916012 333666 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm certainly unwilling to decode decimal. < 1354916034 453516 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr 195 < 1354916035 803335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : '\195' < 1354916042 386748 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was boring < 1354916064 352014 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION golfclaps < 1354916065 553203 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, if the first byte starts with 110, and the second byte starts with 10, then it's valid UTF-8. < 1354916100 760968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 1100 0000 is 192 < 1354916105 620298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah, valid UTF-8 < 1354916111 116670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume lambdabot is such a mess that it cannot agree with itself whether it uses latin1 or utf-8 internally. which means it still works for pure ascii. < 1354916115 980608 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :195 165 is 0xc3 0xa5 is UTF-8 for å < 1354916139 770753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is \165 decimal 165 or octal 165, though? < 1354916142 505893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guessing decimal < 1354916143 953677 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decimal < 1354916151 66999 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^hex 165 < 1354916162 536711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be great if the language determined whether it was decimal or octal by looking for 8s and 9s < 1354916166 272407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin1 was the default before ghc got the new system, now it's your actual locale unless you change it < 1354916167 301832 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> '\o165' < 1354916167 947735 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :quick, someone define ^hex in terms of ^bf < 1354916168 710528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'u' < 1354916172 51891 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Um, no X-D < 1354916183 927235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel an esolang coming along, actually < 1354916184 985748 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: De facto, JavaScript does that. < 1354916191 831692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, seriously? :) < 1354916213 73476 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: People frequently serialize october and november as 08 and 09, so de facto engines have to accept them X_X < 1354916234 617802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made that mistake on Wikipedia once, but I don't think the resulting code actually worked < 1354916251 826183 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably one of the more weird oddities of JS < 1354916253 818312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: october and november?? what? < 1354916264 368526 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :strict-mode disables octal escapes completely, right? < 1354916264 540294 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1354916270 237498 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good at months >_> < 1354916271 668787 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Yes. < 1354916277 409041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing about that bug is that frequently you don't discover it for several months < 1354916280 546914 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :August and September I meant, of course X-D < 1354916280 620160 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "\0199" work in strict-mode? < 1354916282 955602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'm not either, had to think a bit before deciding whether i could be confused or not < 1354916290 728544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do months in JS start from 1 or 0? < 1354916294 157005 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: \09 doesn't work anywhere, regardless. < 1354916298 186139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may actually be september and october < 1354916305 285004 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should make the default locale to be ASCII instead of Latin-1, and then, use command-line parameters, environment variables, etc, to change it. < 1354916305 365141 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, I forget *shrugs* < 1354916318 597882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c { char[] a = "\09"; printf("%d %d", a[0], a[1]); } < 1354916321 929474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the \& string code in Haskell it is a good idea. < 1354916323 326947 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. < 1354916326 212461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1354916331 21636 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Java treats 08 and 09 as decimal too (?) < 1354916334 886152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was hoping for "0 57" < 1354916338 559291 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does \& do? < 1354916354 450685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: reference to a subroutine < 1354916361 510534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the only language where I recognise the syntax at all < 1354916362 344863 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : I feel an esolang coming along, actually <-- tell us more < 1354916368 55935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Nothing. < 1354916369 815213 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I wanna hear about that X-D < 1354916371 748707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "a\&b" < 1354916372 325602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It represents an empty string; but can be used like "\555\&6" if you want a six afterward < 1354916373 50759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ab" < 1354916377 443429 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: one where it picked a base for numbers based on their digits, it would probably make some unrepresentable < 1354916387 66533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, that's nice < 1354916389 297583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote maximal.munch < 1354916389 532117 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. It can only be attributed to human error. < 1354916393 708662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cyclexa has one of those < 1354916394 422244 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first thoughts are that a number is interpreted in the radix of the highest digit + 1. < 1354916394 495695 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could always fall back on unary < 1354916395 850691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\&\&\&" < 1354916396 887265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "" < 1354916400 826918 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes < 1354916406 232548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do all numbers from 0 to 9 < 1354916412 42001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 isn't a number ais523 < 1354916416 496995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you could to 10 < 1354916418 19365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*do 10 < 1354916424 839423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'll use roman numerals to reduce confusion < 1354916427 331096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 = 10 < 1354916432 563527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do all numbers from _ to IX < 1354916434 935230 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote OK, I'll use roman numerals to reduce confusion < 1354916435 946984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure you could do X < 1354916438 391280 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :863) OK, I'll use roman numerals to reduce confusion < 1354916455 942106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, bleh, you can do anything using binary < 1354916460 460406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just ban binary < 1354916464 152771 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1354916468 510405 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, that doesn't help < 1354916469 694413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :banary < 1354916469 851762 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about unary? :( < 1354916471 361449 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you make it a syntax error < 1354916476 891487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: that's good for representing 0 < 1354916478 36146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I wrote RogueVM that base zero means using roman numerals. < 1354916488 560397 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not for much else < 1354916490 348957 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awesome X-D < 1354916496 7894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you write more 0s, you just get more 0s < 1354916510 194774 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly zero should be represented by the empty string < 1354916514 793716 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you can still represent anything. < 1354916522 487381 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I think if binary is a syntax error, I is impossible, II to IX are all possible < 1354916534 895761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't see a way to do X < 1354916539 921476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :XI is 15 < 1354916542 944181 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0^0 < 1354916544 476869 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1354916550 825577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: without cheating and using arithmetic < 1354916561 723578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly, the only operations allowed are digitwise operations < 1354916567 579984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like what TriINTERCAL has < 1354916569 422023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arithmetic: Totally cheating. < 1354916587 492949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again, it infers the base of the result from the smallest digits in it < 1354916592 325965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and again, binary is an error < 1354916593 843671 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ok... I was thinking about a language or somesuch where the only literal number is 0 < 1354916595 354466 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should have a store that can only be accessed by relative offsets from the PC :) < 1354916598 746542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. you have to have at least one digit that's 2 or higher) < 1354916611 721142 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Since those relative offsets are frequently unexpressible) < 1354916641 733525 :Ngevd!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354916664 41762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well the obvious consequence of that is to make it a self-modifying machine-code-like language < 1354916670 537760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have the only flow control as unconditional goto < 1354916673 559112 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Hell yeah < 1354916675 463989 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can be overwritten with other commands < 1354916714 892023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But just to be clear, your units should be source digits, so that overwriting them doesn't give you much utility. < 1354916735 95642 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., the units are digits, not numbers) < 1354917032 522036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you mean there < 1354917040 544245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you mean we store one digit per "byte"? < 1354917054 680780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and commands that take arguments read forward to the next command? < 1354917056 189302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this < 1354917068 43855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, does that prevent the language being TC? < 1354917074 632495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you somehow extend the program? < 1354917075 932001 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you overwrite the second unit of 1234 to 5 you get 1534 < 1354917081 895014 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know, that's the question, innit :) < 1354917086 505636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just need a name < 1354917089 884117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can put this up on the wiki < 1354917097 599798 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :something radix < 1354917112 972738 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radixulous < 1354917113 365542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Radixal!" < 1354917116 907721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe without the ! < 1354917122 823606 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :radixulous < 1354917124 780417 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radical Ixün < 1354917141 347796 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ixün" is a play on Unix, in spite of the language having no relation to Unix whatsoever. < 1354917148 354954 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm a bit slow it seems < 1354917158 976979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about look at the deletion log < 1354917164 827749 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1354917186 613975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about The Correct Way To Discover Credit Immediately < 1354917234 892524 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, how do you get to the deletion log from the front page? >_> < 1354917255 636839 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't seem to be under special pages... < 1354917275 878635 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet you need to be in the admin group or something < 1354917279 194205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: save it for another language? < 1354917286 861342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: there's a list of special pages < 1354917288 803730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is the logs < 1354917291 606791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can filter it to deletions < 1354917319 263078 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind-of hard to find if you don't know where it is, but it's public < 1354917319 587578 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aha, it's under the complete log list, got it. < 1354917323 522310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Special:Log/delete < 1354917348 542777 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Regulatory przeplywu? < 1354917390 461719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that < 1354917391 619780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer to save the deletion log names for languages which really can't sensibly be named anything else < 1354917391 881636 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly what I was about to suggest < 1354917403 424030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Typographical Number Theory, the only literal number is zero; other than that you use successor operation, and addition and multiplication. < 1354917405 979696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you're not avant garde enough imo < 1354917407 877420 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :przeplywu apparently means "flow" < 1354917410 503109 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, fair enough, I think we can get a real name here :) < 1354917411 509063 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :regulatory flow sounds.. interesting < 1354917485 515938 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sklepu internetowety < 1354917513 672691 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my suggestion still stands. Radical Ixün. < 1354917531 265937 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't like where you go with the language, I may fork for Radical Ixün anyway X-D < 1354917569 529027 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does Ixün mean? < 1354917573 249555 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1354917577 284528 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Ixün" is a play on Unix, in spite of the language having no relation to Unix whatsoever. < 1354917596 986767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like ixun < 1354917607 566184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about [[ais523s new grate esolang]] < 1354917632 445240 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about BASE-IC ;) < 1354917643 939070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like "radixal" and "radixulous" < 1354917648 97909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not basic-like, though < 1354917655 268568 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but it's base-ic. < 1354917662 812765 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that it's all about (numeric) base. < 1354917666 563037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about "Algol" < 1354917682 907390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: there are already multiple languages called Algol that are completely unlike each other, after all < 1354917687 46346 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASE-IC is nice < 1354917994 894243 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354918138 917449 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354918288 143088 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354918291 611515 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :531) OK, making myself emergency doctor on the advice of IRC. < 1354918309 711458 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1354918324 584170 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-108.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1354918327 735515 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1354918328 117826 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck* ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1354918339 703143 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right, I forgot that I was going to check homestuck out < 1354918564 827929 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style discworld < 1354918565 90485 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: discworld (a subset of Terry Pratchett's Discworld books) < 1354918581 137272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :531 would be better if it were rather than < 1354918602 383254 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how so? < 1354918626 967030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to know Sgeo's history, really < 1354918631 57019 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, (that one was from that phase elliott went through of `addquoting my running commmentary on playing dwarf fortress) < 1354918644 876666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354918647 558896 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :475) it's the pain of the gaps argument no matter how good your robot is at feeling pain it's never close enough < 1354918658 105604 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354918661 668788 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :720) [...] and then you just shuffle the integral signs around a bit and hope no mathematicians notice. < 1354918666 413730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354918669 978196 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :564) lol :( < 1354918672 675022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354918676 455802 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :286) I use LiGNUXFCE+apps That's pronounced by saying "Linux" and then vomiting, btw. < 1354918679 678487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354918683 388603 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :351) Fiddle. It makes a big difference, you know. < 1354918686 480761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354918690 381179 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :306) http://www.sessionmagazine.com/img/nature/worlds-10-smallest-animals/worlds-10-smallest-animals07.jpg worlds biggest thumb < 1354918690 533058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one too many ais523 < 1354918692 926772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm arresting you < 1354918693 586755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I nkow < 1354918696 506218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because I was reading them < 1354918699 351071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than wanting to delete one < 1354918700 605399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this weird method of quoting, one quote at a time? < 1354918704 643965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: thats illegal < 1354918713 406605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"illegal" isn't misspelt < 1354918715 653257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must be really angry < 1354918720 233906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ilgal < 1354918721 646720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*algol < 1354918722 362115 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a game < 1354918725 881133 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354918726 423438 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: sort-of < 1354918728 829206 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :396) such a famous bisexual Yeah, like Marlon Brando. And Caligula. And... Keeley Hawes? I feel cheated by Ashes to Ashes now. < 1354918733 119749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every now and then we `quote five times, then delete the worst < 1354918738 166032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to improve the average qdb quality < 1354918751 914211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need several channel regulars there to do it < 1354918755 656868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1354918759 880441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i go rogue all the time < 1354918769 287649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1354918773 210732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess rules technically don't apply to me < 1354918782 17560 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you do it in private queries? If not it's not sufficiently rogue < 1354918785 857006 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is the law < 1354918790 129941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: good idea < 1354918796 872052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you count as several channel regulars by yourself < 1354918799 246175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354918802 371531 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate. < 1354918803 615279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ehird, alise, ehird` < 1354918805 376930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any others? < 1354918814 601174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :alise? < 1354918816 149154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think all those nicks have been here enough to count as regulars < 1354918820 392694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, alise < 1354918821 815770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote alise < 1354918825 46751 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :97) alise: why internet is like wtf \ 101) like, just like I'd mark "Bob knob hobs deathly poop violation EXCREMENT unto;" as English alise: that's great filler ais523: well it contains all the important words in the english language... \ 105) alise: nobody is allowed to fnord me in soviet russia \ 109) alise, marble marbelus \ 110) cmake is a < 1354918842 753715 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about normalising qdb nicks < 1354918846 200393 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354918849 54597 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run head -n 1 /dev/urandom >> quotes < 1354918850 698279 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354918852 30745 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354918861 287078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have like 20+ nicks < 1354918866 219494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1354918866 889893 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it seems keeley hawes was excessively bisexualized by the press < 1354918867 218741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think it was an experiment into how people would react to a female nick < 1354918873 202063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and most of the more obvious ones were taken < 1354918876 220625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1354918878 805474 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1354918881 32266 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1354918885 157639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run head -n 1 /dev/urandom < 1354918887 321210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 "future elliottologist" < 1354918887 659068 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.C.3c|ݢU...?.1Fme۽s.&!."醞μ}.*.....*.>C;'0 < 1354918891 387676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good quote < 1354918895 640200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that third character? < 1354918898 993191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: you made a mistake < 1354918902 349338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should have been > not >> < 1354918908 344749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: misping? < 1354918910 622374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1354918913 554690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by GreyKnight i mean Gregor < 1354918915 739066 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: YOU SEE < 1354918917 163017 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, ? < 1354918919 672106 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354918920 647449 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives elliott a pair of glasses < 1354918922 605865 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :24) SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! < 1354918926 527691 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1354918928 88793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a mindreading tab < 1354918928 323412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say we kick GreyKnight now. < 1354918929 284303 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1354918930 729227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: you need a unique first two characters of your nick, really < 1354918939 534544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AimHere must be annoyed by all my accidental /ctcp pings of him < 1354918942 697074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I try to see if I'm connected < 1354918964 309611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in #nethack < 1354918981 688344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rename GreyKnight to Qq < 1354918983 576010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qdb.rawrnix.com/?805 < 1354918984 196540 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick ᚧᚨᛒᛝᛠ < 1354918991 615642 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keeley_Hawes#Personal_life < 1354918994 591289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: #nethack is the worst channel. < 1354919000 938112 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: there's /got/ to be worse < 1354919006 583626 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :#bearcave < 1354919007 142441 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354919010 310731 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :826) < kmc> but i mean i don't like jogging so i wouldn't like jogging while jerking off either < 1354919012 158003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1354919016 297888 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Homophobe. < 1354919029 381769 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because worse exists doesn't mean you have to link it < 1354919029 675392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the worst quote is #ais523 < 1354919035 603731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the worst channel? < 1354919040 111394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(/me thinks this should be added as a new Rule of the Internet) < 1354919057 26840 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it'd follow on neatly from rule… 36? not good at memorizing them by number) < 1354919058 664407 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Where's the radix language? On the wiki yet? Implemented yet? < 1354919070 234246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :call the radix language Gregor < 1354919074 667926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: none of those yet < 1354919086 267184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: You have to go too. < 1354919088 827653 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Finished the JIT yet? < 1354919091 903659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :urban dictionary gives me 2 contradictory definitions of rule 36 < 1354919092 294884 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354919095 383332 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :183) elliott: just to bring you up to speed, you are now my baby nephew. wtf, elliott is a nephew and his uncle is here? what Heck yes I'm elliott's uncle. < 1354919095 540457 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is #bearcave a homosexuality-related channel? < 1354919126 353468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: isn't that your job? < 1354919135 780952 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Probably not on FreeNode, but classically that's used as trollbait because that's what “bear” refers to. < 1354919148 245230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's not in most list < 1354919149 493271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :classically i.e. non-constructively < 1354919149 833180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*lists < 1354919154 119997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the ones where it is, it's 36 < 1354919165 863123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote non-con < 1354919168 166835 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :719) elliott: Anyway, if you wrote a Haskell book, I would read it and possibly provide classical criticism. That is to say, non-constructive. < 1354919171 74071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha at the history of rule 35, btw < 1354919172 402296 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am only familiar with it from trolling and there isn't usually much context) < 1354919197 429479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be "the exception to rule 34 is rule 34 itself", now it's effectively "violations of rule 34 will be corrected over time" < 1354919211 632852 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354919214 213383 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :812) < oerjan> Gregor: hey no fair doing ungoogleable citations < 1354919221 673131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a beautiful irony, and perhaps a deliberate reference, in this < 1354919234 861968 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I'm sure if you Google something like "bear -animal -mammal" you'll find the definition that matters pretty quick ;) < 1354919285 158993 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I call rule 34 on befunge < 1354919312 802550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling rule 34 on things is typically a bad idea < 1354919320 290380 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?die 1d2 < 1354919320 402119 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1d2 => 2 < 1354919325 740937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this should also be added as a rule) < 1354919326 488880 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe fungot could help < 1354919327 435849 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: granny darted back, grabbed the pitcher of water from a fake buttonhole. ' no sense in rushing around the whole time! you will die for this. < 1354919335 726806 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungus porn is pretty cool to watch if it's made right < 1354919338 262616 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds... quite lewd? < 1354919346 767415 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :undercrank and so on < 1354919348 441666 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 24 < 1354919352 567429 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* SUPLENTES EN UN UNIVERSO (MUSSOLINI CUANDO CONQUISTO EL MUNDO): i tan solo puede concluir que es defectuoso, o el mundo esta absolutamente loco. Todos a la gloria Il Duce! < 1354919360 989522 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe fungot's source is pornography if you look at it the right way < 1354919361 640344 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: " vorbis?" he said softly. there. done it myself." < 1354919363 838321 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Porn where the characters spew markov-chain-generated sequences of words? < 1354919366 297305 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would watch that. < 1354919368 331580 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fungus porn? < 1354919370 263847 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10/10 could fap < 1354919390 983289 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: video of the fruiting bodies doing their thang, etc < 1354919397 792483 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some fungi shoot out spores like bullets! < 1354919398 778626 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my < 1354919402 319535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you have a stalkword on rule 34? < 1354919411 427547 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a what < 1354919415 719201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you just decide to unidle for the first time in ages at that exact moment? < 1354919416 525259 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gets all flustered < 1354919422 422142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you set it as a word that your IRC client notifies you about < 1354919425 307824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wherever it's said < 1354919429 846109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have one on "intercal", for instance < 1354919430 688420 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of fungi (or maybe those are mushrooms?) have phallic shapes < 1354919431 279866 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. no i just like fungi < 1354919434 314798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only in channels you're in, obviously) < 1354919471 457999 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how it would work with befunge though, i guess you could probably write something avida-like on it fairly easily < 1354919527 713379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: /please/ don't put too much thought into this < 1354919535 204792 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know this is a fruitless request, but I feel compelled to make it) < 1354919546 787092 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: like the stinkhorn :-o < 1354919555 587860 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brainfuck porn? wait, damn, no, that's no good < 1354919567 881551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use any set as word my IRC client notifies me about (although it does have such a command) < 1354919572 117835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: You have to go too. < 1354919574 893726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Fiora < 1354919584 862533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it's just bricks and brains < 1354919588 503794 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...? < 1354919601 109715 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's not like i'm interested in fungus reproduction because i get off on it, golly, i just think it's biologically interesting < 1354919604 538683 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and alife is fun! < 1354919607 652059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a new policy where the first two characters of your nick have to be unique. < 1354919608 921074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the "no two people can share the same first two letters of their nick" theory < 1354919628 489727 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-; < 1354919629 988059 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fears they've created a meme < 1354919641 944564 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks sidelong at boily < 1354919644 665019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's OK, I don't think anyone's enforcing the policy < 1354919645 654041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O no, it is not bricks and brains. It is Brains&Flags which is a computer game I am designing just right now even. < 1354919649 624161 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick shahaha < 1354919651 980180 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354919654 849511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, just change your name to xfiora < 1354919658 947906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even ifora < 1354919664 859627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wouldn't xfiora be a GUI version? < 1354919667 590299 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: and I to xFireFly? < 1354919671 560721 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could become nepetiora < 1354919686 369782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1354919695 563627 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: an Avidafunge sounds interesting < 1354919695 657549 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you do the :33 thing again < 1354919699 501425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does GNU C have the command to initialize specified element of array and make the rest zero? Can it be done with structures too? < 1354919702 472530 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I take this as evidence in favour of the birthday paradox? < 1354919724 295216 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, C99 has it; int a[100] = { [20]=4 }; < 1354919734 951226 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with structures, probably struct foo = { .bar = 12 }; < 1354919737 967212 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i've ben asked to cease wondering about, sorry < 1354919739 743584 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, does it support in LLVM-based C compilers? < 1354919741 813669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fungus porn is pretty cool to watch if it's made right <-- so i guess we want a befunge program that looks like fungus porn, and i _think_ it ought to be a quine. < 1354919755 632816 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: guess it would kind of blur the line between cellular automata and programmin', though < 1354919757 344810 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes, clang supports C99. < 1354919759 100168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So if it is top level will it initialize the rest zero? < 1354919759 217508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, no, you have to be zfirefly < 1354919770 826587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think so < 1354919771 778590 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes. < 1354919776 773299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably even if it isn't top level < 1354919781 967663 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if we get more than ~1500 users in the channel?! < 1354919786 216586 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having an initializer /at all/ makes unmentoined things default to 0 < 1354919790 524621 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: there are punctuation marks < 1354919796 827410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that might not be enough < 1354919802 22169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 26 squared is 676 < 1354919812 945260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notices that their two criticisms cancel each other out < 1354919829 295652 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, but you're implicitly disallowing different cases < 1354919830 893683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I refer to myself using singular they < 1354919830 971379 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the set of punctuation marks available in nicks is rather limited, isn't it? < 1354919837 647594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well my tab-complete doesn't respect case < 1354919842 58206 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nick [o_O] < 1354919845 238650 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since presumably FireFly and Fiora clash with fizzie < 1354919852 899347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's taken < 1354919858 858046 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha is it really < 1354919864 128815 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you want me to do the :33 thing again < 1354919868 179388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always check that for random nick suggestions < 1354919872 264291 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :36 squared is about ~1200 and I rounded up a bit to try and compensate for the punctuation < 1354919872 335683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when I don't < 1354919873 946718 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what is the :33 thing? < 1354919874 169484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, i don't want you to have done it < 1354919875 734181 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dear, that's quite alright < 1354919878 177031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so please don't do it again < 1354919917 919254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this conversation is somehow more surreal than average for the channel < 1354919927 164883 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone write a BF Joust program, I understand those < 1354919929 980384 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < but i am pawsitive that you would enjoy it bike < 1354919934 794414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the zero-length arrays of GNU C and I think C99 is flexible array; I prefer the way zero-length arrays work, I think it is more sensible with how C work generally. < 1354919952 254772 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, consider others in the channel! < 1354919958 876711 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < nepeta's patterns of sp33ch are purrfect < 1354919980 985984 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < sorry, i furgot about that < 1354919987 528449 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The radix language should have no symbols other than digits (and whitespace to separate them), and should allow binary, but should have different behavior depending on the radix you write the number in X-D < 1354919996 965002 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D--> Stop. < 1354920011 775543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, that would defeat the whole point < 1354920015 342313 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: which of the conversations were you referring to? the fungus porn, nick prefixes, array initialization or squares of numbers conversation? < 1354920021 721233 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: How so? < 1354920026 352285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I can't actually tell them apart < 1354920027 557680 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you fungot about what? < 1354920028 707024 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: dios gave him a long time the barge was passing between high orange cliffs now, banded with so many fine daughters to bring up the subject. < 1354920031 39468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from the array initialization one < 1354920036 440655 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, don't you fucking start < 1354920042 172787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the LLVM C compilers allow zero-length array to be specified in GNU mode? < 1354920050 957699 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the squares thing, where the hell did that come from? < 1354920052 217082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < okay i will stop equius < 1354920054 875932 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh, I suppose it defeats the point in that the challenge is no longer figuring out how to encode a number, because you only have one or zero choices. < 1354920060 314256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354920064 11716 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D--> Good. < 1354920087 269585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1354920101 250575 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, you could make binary do one thing and all other radixes do something else. Basically I just don't want non-digit symbols :). I suppose the alternative is to have multiple numbers per operation. < 1354920105 579288 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do a subleq or something. < 1354920106 389133 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354920138 667064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well if you're using code-is-data, you have to be able to store an entire number in memory < 1354920149 804068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you write numbers into consecutive addresses < 1354920153 211953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1354920153 388605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a terminal < 1354920170 139055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess you assign commands to numbers < 1354920170 587457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opcodes are not a unified length, they're whitespace-separated X-D < 1354920177 753159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for bonus points, mostly to unrepresentable numbers < 1354920181 303375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :separate with whitespace < 1354920192 319971 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, unrepresentable numbers can't be stored. < 1354920198 45162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err right < 1354920199 560290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point < 1354920200 406902 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I came up with a language that used only digit symbols, but it wasn't too interesting < 1354920203 133964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :representable numbers then < 1354920216 432490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should offsets be measured in numbers or digits? < 1354920224 894178 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think zero-length array is much more logical than the C99 way? I think it makes a lot more sense. And there are some more uses other than just variable-length objects. < 1354920225 969005 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digits. < 1354920226 405581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess digits < 1354920228 149158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, and your ability to realise that puts you head and shoulders above every other goddamn esolang noob. < 1354920246 173087 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1354920247 438768 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354920254 133984 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Phantom_Hoover is particularly annoyed by people who make bad esolangs < 1354920262 304959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also means you can use sizeof; "Flexible array members have incomplete type, and so the sizeof operator may not be applied." < 1354920282 12320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a flexible member is [], isn't it, not [0]? < 1354920299 405404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, someone convince me not to call this language Radixal, or I will < 1354920311 818759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes. Zero-length arrays are different, and I think, more sensible than flexible arrays. < 1354920327 767443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but technically, you can't index more than one element past the end of them < 1354920333 113540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC also permits empty structures, which I also think is good to accept, having size zero. < 1354920333 791173 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not opposed to Radixal, although I do wonder to what degree the language forming in your head is similar/distinct from the one forming in mine X-D < 1354920343 666322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll put it up, then < 1354920357 786295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think it needs the exclamation mark < 1354920367 956503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :particularly because I'm annoyed by words that end with exclamation marks < 1354920369 203453 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, if it is a structure then if you allocate more memory, then you could be able to index a larger size of it. < 1354920376 257567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it feels appropriate to give the language a name that anonys me < 1354920377 683599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*annoys me < 1354920380 501968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radixal! it is < 1354920392 53280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about Radixal!!! < 1354920424 524158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh dear < 1354920427 82517 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could also call it Radixa! or RadixaI < 1354920430 903932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that annoys meeven more, and now I want to use it < 1354920439 927420 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you prefer it to the one-exclamation mark version? < 1354920440 643850 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radixal4! < 1354920459 305513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: imo as many exclamation marks as you can stand < 1354920466 55698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably 4, then < 1354920474 308257 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : a rainbow of exclamation marks < 1354920475 72803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radixal!!!! < 1354920477 130053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good < 1354920482 754063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is the limit of what's reasonable, so 4 is too many, and 5 is not significantly different to 4 < 1354920490 837835 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2!3!4!6! < 1354920492 175969 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1354920502 887495 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is the worst conceivable number. < 1354920503 624406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more than too many is not noticeably different to too many < 1354920524 465089 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is a good number, too many to be comfortable yet few enough that you can get the right number of them with good reliability < 1354920531 200873 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radixal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1354920584 977810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, my brain's getting hung up on typing this, definitely 4 is the right number < 1354920608 134979 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can the coloured exclamation marks be part of the name? < 1354920629 172966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow Radixal!!!! < 1354920629 560350 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02R03a04d05i06x07a08l09!02!03!04! < 1354920642 827070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what if i made the wiki show a random number of exclamation marks after any occurrence of "Radixal" < 1354920649 865995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could even use zero-length array as something to measure the size in order to use in a macro in order to expect the type of a variable if it is known a structure including a certain name. < 1354920656 530729 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radixal!+ might be the first novel idea in esolangs in a year. < 1354920663 701066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: for the sole purpose of requiring a note on the wiki page that it should be spelled with colors? < 1354920664 803542 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make it a random prime plz < 1354920679 742395 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354920684 868348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a random prime tho < 1354920722 170681 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I actually think a few of the emoji characters are supposed to be displayed with colors < 1354920727 506241 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rainbow dash < 1354920727 740251 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :02d03a04s05h < 1354920728 481738 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I'm sensitive about that :< < 1354920733 604976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them even has a name involving colours < 1354920734 685875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncertain if that made it into unicode though < 1354920743 284818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Gregor for ignoring Fueue -----### < 1354920758 421323 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1354920784 595303 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the interesting bits of Fueue were unintentional < 1354920785 966424 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :😻 < 1354920794 85817 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :one? there's many unicode characters with a colour in their name < 1354920799 444692 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC there's both Green Apple and Red Apple < 1354920800 421829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so numbers that are out of the usual range for commands: should they be errors, NOPs, repeat other commands, or something else? < 1354920803 291640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`sed -i 's/design/design and deployment//' wisdom/welcome < 1354920805 983354 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: sed [OPTION]... {script-only-if-no-other-script} [input-file]... \ \ -n, --quiet, --silent \ suppress automatic printing of pattern space \ -e script, --expression=script \ add the script to the commands to be executed \ -f script-file, --file=script-file \ add the contents of script-file to the commands to be executed \ --follow-symlinks < 1354920806 686277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/design/design and deployment//' wisdom/welcome < 1354920809 932380 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 32: unknown option to `s' < 1354920810 957684 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was originally "A bit like Underload, but with numeric literals and a queue instead of two stucks" < 1354920813 512481 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*stacks < 1354920815 396377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/design/design and deployment/' wisdom/welcome < 1354920818 252711 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354920819 166942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1354920822 871664 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354920826 310786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome < 1354920829 570492 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354920830 694138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1354920832 782017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone, I need an opinion here! < 1354920836 741103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or failing that, a fact < 1354920845 808225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/!/!!!!/ < 1354920853 439189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: they should be something radically!!!! random!!!! < 1354920862 398260 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote NOPS < 1354920867 221119 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/S/s/ < 1354920870 710987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe it prints something from a predefined list of phrases < 1354920875 404544 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(was that python?) < 1354920877 797544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: or reverses the program! < 1354920883 200568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :come to think of it, we could just make them ever larger-based BUT instructions < 1354920887 728367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh oh how about < 1354920893 474975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Python doesn't have s/// notation < 1354920900 447287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make them do what X does in CHIQRSX9+ < 1354920904 543293 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean because it was Sssssss < 1354920911 157710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this also means it's really painful to write an interpreter in anything but Perl < 1354920913 252004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but this language is interesting to determine if it's TC another way < 1354920951 307294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, then make it so that the Perl program it runs always starts with an invalid character < 1354920960 224630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. fix the shuffle < 1354920968 946658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: anyway my point is it should do something completely stupid < 1354920995 966230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just realised, ofc you can write a deterministic CHIQRSX9+ program that has a specific function; all one-capital-character words are legal in Perl (they return themselves), so you start with X; then write the rest of the program entirely with punctuation marks < 1354921019 890846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is /totally/ possible in Perl) < 1354921021 696773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1354921033 334795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it rotate punctuation marks as well as letters? < 1354921033 883141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if control characters? < 1354921041 705817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it rotate everything. < 1354921048 75725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess it should just output the numbers in question < 1354921049 281488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sub turing { < 1354921049 389769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : srand; < 1354921049 461309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : my $lang = int rand 256; < 1354921049 461483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : my $prog = ''; < 1354921049 461593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for (split //, $_[0]) { < 1354921051 816604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $prog .= chr +(ord($_)+$lang & 255) < 1354921054 296213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1354921056 842016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : $_[0]=''; < 1354921057 909000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354921059 443679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : return $prog; < 1354921061 858272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1354921063 324862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the entire ASCII range < 1354921064 338169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: output them but with "!!!!" after it < 1354921066 187147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that could be harder < 1354921066 816116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe "!!!!!" < 1354921069 439150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's marginally more stupid to use one more ! for no reason < 1354921090 330065 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output them with a number of exclamation marks equal to the number itself < 1354921100 577630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not as dumb < 1354921161 892637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah, typoed "Radixal!!!" < 1354921176 948900 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this 4-! name is beautiful :') < 1354921289 799643 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hmm, for wiki-technical reasons, there should be a /// dialect called ###) < 1354921291 991348 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW does anyone have a link to a good clear explanation of monads? I was trying to explain it recently but don't think I was very good at it :-/ < 1354921313 373313 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: can we have a language called ---### < 1354921332 821382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : BTW does anyone have a link to a good clear explanation of monads? I was trying to explain it recently but don't think I was very good at it :-/ ← please tell me this line was a particularly good attempt at trolling, rather than accidental < 1354921333 481184 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan will love it < 1354921349 205585 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: ask oerjan, maybe he'll make one < 1354921368 212455 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, actual request and I don't know what you mean :-? < 1354921383 840311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: monad tutorials are a meme < 1354921387 702871 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354921388 357668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the Haskell community < 1354921410 182425 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know that, I am not really involved with Haskell much < 1354921418 823921 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I take it the answer is "no" then? :-P < 1354921430 394658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip: don't explain programming monads to someone without a functional-language-with-typeclasses-of-some-sort background < 1354921435 753426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it is meaningless to them < 1354921444 902000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think there is a /// dialect called ### but it doesn't work < 1354921448 240368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(explaining monads the category theory concept is fine, of course, but won't really help a programmer) < 1354921459 441617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone *with* that background should just go read the Typeclassopedia or something < 1354921479 733639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the ~monads are hard~ nonsense comes from people trying to understand monads without understanding what understanding monads is about < 1354921482 788568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual abstraction is mundane < 1354921520 967330 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Typeclassopedia , right? < 1354921526 616564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354921535 863497 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good good < 1354921546 792022 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :explaining monads-the-category-theory-concept is probably impossible for your average programmer, tbh < 1354921564 862996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your average programmer wouldn't ask in the first place < 1354921574 646150 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anyway, I think those people must actually be robots because there’s no way anyone could come up with that in two seconds off the top of their head. " I like this page already < 1354921576 553477 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monad tutorial fallacy" < 1354921577 180551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip 2: usually don't say "average X" < 1354921596 628719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: should i commit something to lens. nobody has touched it in hours it feels weird. < 1354921599 54025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the comment was running too long, i cut "inexperienced-in-typclasses" short < 1354921606 63480 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a whole cottage industry of monad tutorials" < 1354921644 331242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*Any string that contains nothing but 0s and 1s, and at least I 1, is considered an error and crashes the interpreter. Although any sort of crash is acceptable and complies with the spec, we recommend segfaults, or on Windows, Blue Screens of Death." < 1354921669 421134 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-70-177.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354921678 838711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, BSoDs don't exist any more because they made the screen red instead >:( < 1354921716 989296 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought red was the xbox version < 1354921726 367857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: DONT SAY ZIPPER BENCHMARKS < 1354921730 458264 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is blue in ReactOS? < 1354921762 546026 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I thought both red and blue existed now < 1354921764 992347 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zipper benchmarks < 1354921771 890025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lens? I think that's finished. < 1354921780 905250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.7 is the final version < 1354921786 604755 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaurgh... 10 hours straight... < 1354921796 137561 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry. just had a long work day.) < 1354921801 576735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least an older screenshot I have seen of ReactOS shows the BSoD, so you can know that they did manage to make ReactOS at least that much. < 1354921802 231586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I hate the renaming of Zipper to Zipping. < 1354921808 636587 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you're red/blue color blind, does the new screen of dead look the same as the old one? < 1354921815 302833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :screen of dead < 1354921820 236872 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1354921825 335055 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dec 7 23:56:11 nyx kernel: [20076405.959198] psmouse.c: Mouse at isa0060/serio4/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 1 bytes away." That's a new one for me. < 1354921826 265947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's probably a slightly different shade of redblue < 1354921829 796978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why? < 1354921833 428517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also red/blue colorblindness isn't a real sort, AFAIK < 1354921841 479097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's red/green, or blue/yellow, or not having color vision at all < 1354921861 253175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It sucks. < 1354921865 904872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, those are the two color representation channels < 1354921882 320817 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... and here I thought I was avoiding the whole "there are 13 kinds of color blind" trap < 1354921957 694062 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh somehow I never heard about reactos < 1354921962 901392 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if I did I didn't know what it was < 1354921966 937120 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty interesting < 1354922002 260742 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: screen of deađ? < 1354922007 135082 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be called somethng else, didn't it? < 1354922206 167065 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354922209 376271 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :581) The fighting game I prefer is the card game Yomi < 1354922229 690089 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness#Classification < 1354922235 672484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : olsner: can we have a language called ---### <-- certainly not, that's the wrong number of -'s < 1354922245 31892 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :opps < 1354922262 41660 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know there was a standard < 1354922269 493776 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354922292 57796 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about an audio-based language that uses R2D2 beeps and squawks. < 1354922378 30794 :ared_!~ared@host199-175-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1354922401 464125 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should sleep before I get any more silly < 1354922406 976540 :GreyKnight!~GK@host86-146-80-103.range86-146.btcentralplus.com QUIT :Quit: zzz < 1354922501 31668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: should i commit something to lens. nobody has touched it in hours it feels weird. <-- is it asymptotic? is lens achieving the singularity? < 1354922535 288165 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :stagnation => complete rewrite < 1354922549 69956 :xDEADCA7!~ared@host253-179-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354922666 971788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know lens < 1354922667 940440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool < 1354922724 774909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a little bit into the tutorial before my crashed < 1354922731 168468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+brain < 1354922790 362362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait which tutorial. < 1354922799 61912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lens has first-class patterns now! < 1354922811 770978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1354922838 533279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was something on github < 1354922844 2243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Maybe prisms and lenses (and partial lenses) are the true answer to how view patterns should work. < 1354922871 332315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would like to see -XViewLenses < 1354922884 700039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Sometimes you might have a view pattern whose inverse is a pain, though. < 1354922891 974121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like it would have to balance a tree or something. < 1354922966 347033 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a tutorial? < 1354923495 790572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On what? < 1354923665 296947 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :on lenses, or specifically this new lens library < 1354923687 687129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tutorial is looking at the types real hard < 1354923690 744372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then realising it's obvious < 1354923692 87488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what I did < 1354923696 806399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1354923706 980275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: here's a "quick sell" tho < 1354923713 944355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_1 f (a,b) = (,b) <$> f a < 1354923717 835684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_2 f (a,b) = (a,) <$> f b < 1354923731 923186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both f (a,b) = (,) <$> f a <*> f b -- multilens! (traversal) < 1354923739 979469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just _ Nothing = pure Nothing < 1354923748 496102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just f (Just x) = Just <$> f x -- partial lenses! < 1354923766 905156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_1 :: (Functor f) => (a -> f a') -> (a,b) -> f (a',b)) < 1354923778 775729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(both :: (Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> (a,a) -> f (b,b)) < 1354923787 669885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just :: (Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> Maybe a -> f (Maybe b)) < 1354923796 395417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then everything is just combinators on top of types like these < 1354923830 558411 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems a bit like a huge library of combinators for pointless programming < 1354923847 500649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: also the cooler thing is that you can compose these with Prelude < 1354923850 466872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it goes in "oop order" < 1354923861 395487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude as in id and (.) on functions < 1354923878 381991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_1.just :: (Applicative f) => (a -> f a') -> (Maybe a, b) -> f (Maybe a', b) < 1354923904 430059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: edwardk is doing a talk thing on Wednesday which will be recorded. < 1354923908 346468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you have things like "traverse" is a valid traversal (multilens) < 1354923914 736919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could watch that. < 1354923924 273024 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: talks are boring! < 1354923927 983533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :traverse :: (Traversal t, Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f b -- fits the pattern of both/just < 1354923932 223610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1354923934 767227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :traverse :: (Traversal t, Applicative f) => (a -> f b) -> t a -> f (t b) -- fits the pattern of both/just < 1354923938 350753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Traversable t < 1354923950 523163 :ared_!~ared@host199-175-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354923987 634774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hope i've sufficiently bamboozled you < 1354923990 5800 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe oerjan by proxy < 1354924058 847109 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the readme at https://github.com/ekmett/lens was a decent introduction too < 1354924113 663283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :traverse :: Traversable t => Traversal (t a) (t b) a b < 1354924162 448030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: anyway once you have all this infrastructure you can do cool things < 1354924170 671828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a generic type-safe zipper for any type: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/lens/3.7.0.1/doc/html/Control-Lens-Zipper.html < 1354924492 115223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a non-type-safe zipper? < 1354924572 829604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that thingy < 1354924592 434033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc pez is not "type-safe" < 1354924593 403742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget how < 1354924775 58127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Radixal!!!! < 1354924777 355870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me what you think < 1354924780 116627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially Gregor < 1354924865 700056 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Although any sort of crash is acceptable and complies with the spec, we recommend segfaults, or on Windows, Blue Screens of Death.” lul < 1354925045 558972 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I got to the first operation and now my head is spinning. < 1354925114 301318 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that this language is implementable, since it actually has to perform the integer->digit string conversion to operate, and that operation is both incomplete and of unknown complexity. < 1354925137 869231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: nice my irc client doesn't include the !s < 1354925138 765920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the link < 1354925179 429634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radixal!!!! is an esoteric language created collaboratively by the #esoteric IRC channel on 7 December Category:2012. < 1354925215 566095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Radixal%21%21%21%21 < 1354925248 476160 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Radixal!!!! is not obviously either Turing-complete, or not Turing-complete” < 1354925249 926666 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Profound. < 1354925578 296092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it also a problem that integer->digit is ambiguous? < 1354925656 157440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok there's a specification of which is chosen... < 1354925702 771653 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how it's dififcult < 1354925712 13945 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to go over base 10? < 1354925713 75991 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible for same-length digit strings in different bases to have the same digit sum? < 1354925716 817384 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, just try all the bases < 1354925783 436838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I read it as being arbitrarily large bases < 1354925786 562081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: indeed < 1354925806 448667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: "The accepted digits are 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9" < 1354925810 130202 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. that the source is limited to base 10, but the internal representation is arbitrary-precision < 1354925828 263669 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the base is always 1+largest digit < 1354925854 572565 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's say I want to encode the number eleven < 1354925895 376674 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :102, isn't it < 1354925916 333389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showInt < 1354925917 490243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integral a => a -> ShowS < 1354925919 663586 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And since "102" contains the digit for base-1, it works < 1354925923 535680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showIntAtBase < 1354925924 799511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral a, Show a) => a -> (Int -> Char) -> a -> ShowS < 1354925931 68597 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although makes sense to keep checking for smaller working strings, I think < 1354925947 899225 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it should try in other direction, so strings would be smaller? < 1354925952 160451 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, 23 should work too < 1354925974 885002 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, "lowest total sum of digits" hmm < 1354925986 473474 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if there's a tie? < 1354925998 64129 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, by shortest < 1354926013 538759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@define radixals n = [rep | b <- [2..9], let rep = showIntAtBase b intToDigit n "", maximum rep == [show (b-1)]] < 1354926026 999820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1354926045 58995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1354926045 214936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1354926049 453380 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess 102 would be the canonical version, then? < 1354926051 965809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@define radixals n = [rep | b <- [2..9], let rep = showIntAtBase b intToDigit n "", maximum rep == [show (b-1)]] < 1354926053 130898 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens if there's a tie among shortest? < 1354926060 967567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals 11 < 1354926062 758928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `radixals' < 1354926067 905040 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354926076 200381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let radixals n = [rep | b <- [2..9], let rep = showIntAtBase b intToDigit n "", maximum rep == [show (b-1)]] < 1354926077 461090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:92: < 1354926077 614404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Char' with actual type `[t0... < 1354926098 633796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let radixals n = [rep | b <- [2..9], let rep = showIntAtBase b intToDigit n "", [maximum rep] == show (b-1)] < 1354926100 377696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1354926104 643641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals 11 < 1354926106 350055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["1011","102","23","15"] < 1354926111 311819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1354926113 957887 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1354926129 269048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let radixals n = [rep | b <- [3..9], let rep = showIntAtBase b intToDigit n "", [maximum rep] == show (b-1)] < 1354926130 895789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1354926156 456741 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals 432 < 1354926158 220880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["121000","12300"] < 1354926220 358535 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, how does that definition work? Is b a base (in which case where is 10) or is b a digit (in which case where is 2)? < 1354926272 362400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect that showIntAtBase takes a base < 1354926296 949674 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals 1999 < 1354926300 302975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1354926301 398185 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1354926304 946680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1354926313 733796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let radixals n = [rep | b <- [3..10], let rep = showIntAtBase b intToDigit n "", [maximum rep] == show (b-1)] < 1354926326 63193 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1354926329 497781 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>radixals 1999 < 1354926339 55444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :space < 1354926345 486031 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh. < 1354926349 64919 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals 1999 < 1354926353 44680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1354926354 970726 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354926363 973962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals 1999 < 1354926366 62892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's radixal like it's 1999? < 1354926367 945986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1354926388 977771 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this cannot possibly be hard work, so someone is abusing lambdabot elsewhere < 1354926419 13346 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or there's just no answer < 1354926428 733971 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"1999" is the answer. < 1354926430 535398 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that would show up as [] I guess < 1354926435 609460 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, derp < 1354926456 125181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals 1999 < 1354926458 521881 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["2202001","133033","30444","3717","1999"] < 1354926466 828586 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, i guess it's not! oops. < 1354926501 264366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :2202001 has the smallest sum < 1354926505 956753 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354926506 385449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you need more exclamation marks. < 1354926510 891745 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maybe base 3 always wins < 1354926531 390653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let r!!!!x = radixals x < 1354926532 979285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1354926548 579038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals!!!! 2012 < 1354926550 75769 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, 5 is 11 < 1354926550 432564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["2202112","133130","13152","5603","3734"] < 1354926553 90006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good. < 1354926560 594726 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals!!!! 5 < 1354926562 400147 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["12","5"] < 1354926574 3405 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what did I do wrong... < 1354926574 159777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :11 is forbidden < 1354926578 826243 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yes. silly me. < 1354926635 8553 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals!!!! 8 < 1354926636 878160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["22","8"] < 1354926655 324013 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not 20? < 1354926671 830951 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's base 3 < 1354926684 146972 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~_~ < 1354926734 978124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals!!!! 11 < 1354926736 639372 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose it doesn't "win" if the base-3 doesn't work anyway. < 1354926736 788760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["102","23","15"] < 1354926738 720014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals!!!! 10 < 1354926740 784557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1354926744 850826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what does this do < 1354926750 562594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i guess 15 in base 6 is 11? < 1354926757 40268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how you can't do 10 < 1354926766 326593 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, some numbers aren't representable, so < 1354926772 971575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> filter (null . radixals) [0..] < 1354926776 617796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1354926780 267523 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, so the lowest possible base perhaps? < 1354926781 468609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals!!!! 9 -- i think this won't be base 3 :P < 1354926783 676353 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["14","9"] < 1354926808 154326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals!!!! 100 < 1354926810 110536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["10201","400"] < 1354926816 338986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1354926845 258079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure there must be something which doesn't give the lowest possible base < 1354926861 241084 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR that the optimal base (in terms of lowest number of digits on average) is e < 1354926861 648901 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :100 didn't < 1354926875 5561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1354926899 498191 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not exactly the same as the lowest digit sum, but fewer digits helps I guess < 1354926907 96329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm wondering if the tie breaker is sure to work < 1354926993 183412 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, find two strings that have the same number of digits, the same digital sum, and are both totes radixal strings, I guess < 1354927009 488922 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, "The base e is the most economical choice of radix β > 1 (Hayes 2001), where the radix economy is measured as the product of the radix and the length of the string of symbols needed to express a given range of values." < 1354927038 709654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [radixals!!!! n | n <- [0..]] < 1354927040 489384 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],[],["2"],["3"],["4"],["12","5"],["20","6"],["21","13","7"],["22","8"],[... < 1354927056 326448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [radixals!!!! n | n <- [9..]] < 1354927058 61563 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [["14","9"],[],["102","23","15"],["30"],["31","16"],["112","32","24"],["120... < 1354927097 74048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals!!!! 123456789 < 1354927098 883114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["22121022020212200","13112330310111","223101104124","20130035113","3026236... < 1354927119 812934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are beautiful < 1354927120 488250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [radixals!!!! n | n <- [15..]] < 1354927122 294637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [["120","33","17"],["121"],["122","25","18"],["200"],["201","103","34","19"... < 1354927122 826633 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: what about negative bases, huh! < 1354927135 722160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imo define a reverse function < 1354927152 920082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [radixals!!!! n | n <- [19..]] < 1354927154 691076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [["201","103","34","19"],["202","40","26"],["210","41"],["211","42"],["212"... < 1354927157 694258 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just filter it to do the test for you < 1354927366 842702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [r' | n <- [0..], let r = radixals!!!!n; sm = minimum[sum(fromEnum r)]; r' = [s|s <- r, sum(fromEnum r) == sm]] < 1354927368 343941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a0]' < 1354927368 422487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `GHC.Type... < 1354927375 805054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :POSSIBLY < 1354927466 341259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [r' | n <- [0..], let r = radixals!!!!n; sm = minimum[sum(fromEnum<$>s)|s<-r]; r' = [s|s <- r, sum(fromEnum<$>s) == sm]] < 1354927468 110274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[],[],["2"],["3"],["4"],["5"],["6"],["7"],["8"],["9"],[],["23"],["30"],["3... < 1354927533 839289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's of course wrong... < 1354927619 448666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals 742 < 1354927620 37793 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like 2 wins about 99.2% of the first million integers < 1354927621 287650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["23212","10432"] < 1354927629 517494 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only 31 of them were impossible? < 1354927653 45029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both sum to 5, both have a length of 5. < 1354927657 286390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1354927659 221348 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum to 10? < 1354927664 809114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, yes. < 1354927666 396967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION relaxes < 1354927672 971033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five, ten; what matter. < 1354927688 15196 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, five is 10 in base five < 1354927689 822365 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's all good < 1354927691 198892 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Found by a really crummy filter, that's why I did it in private.) < 1354927691 408782 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, nm, I forgot to sort by digit sum < 1354927694 263480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: your tie breaking is insufficient < 1354927714 346002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you're idle. < 1354927758 82414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 742 has two representations ["23212","10432"] that your tie breaking won't distinguish < 1354927758 238326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354927802 225896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:46 newtype NonEmpty f a = NonEmpty a (f a) < 1354927821 843048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It would be a good idea!!! < 1354927855 294699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good newtype < 1354927881 445473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hey my filter was even crummier! it didn't even work! < 1354927887 98707 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an advanced newtype < 1354927905 97515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's ambiguous it should just crash according to the same rule as binary numbers < 1354927905 265812 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you'd think < 1354927978 718133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Mine only looked at cases where there were exactly two representations, and had a (\[a,b] -> ...) in it. :/ < 1354927999 547344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1354928011 541228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I bet you could use: LENS. < 1354928019 662891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The opposite of fancy, I'd say. < 1354928059 351280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: could you educate fizzie on the meaning of OKAY, fancy and shocking plz? < 1354928074 561028 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I missed any/everything since my initial comments, but I don't see any reply by you, sooooooo. < 1354928083 5826 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :understanding them yourself is optional. < 1354928119 762056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OKAY. < 1354928137 821326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, good < 1354928146 385783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm you might want to add that one) < 1354928148 309616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what will you call your competitor for Radixal!!!!? < 1354928174 402986 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Radical Ixün < 1354928210 70077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Californ Ixün < 1354928364 699342 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354928371 902337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [n | n <- [0..], null(radicals!!!!n)] < 1354928374 162396 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is there any 3D modeling that you can write x^2+y^2+z^2=25 and it will work? < 1354928374 733532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Monoid.Lens' < 1354928374 890025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden pack... < 1354928380 980282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1354928381 53637 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try POV-Ray's isofunctions < 1354928390 878258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [n | n <- [0..], null(radicals!!!!n)] < 1354928391 778068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Monoid.Lens' < 1354928391 933920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden pack... < 1354928400 154516 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hidden pack...! < 1354928412 632311 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the big conspiracy < 1354928413 159216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [n | n <- [0..], []==radicals!!!!n] < 1354928414 247335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Monoid.Lens' < 1354928414 406643 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden pack... < 1354928415 996206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember if the old Mac OS graphing calculator could do that < 1354928422 113629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty sweet though < 1354928427 175507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> radixals!!!!10 < 1354928428 12276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Monoid.Lens' < 1354928428 93433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden pack... < 1354928431 349432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic < 1354928436 687882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SABOTAGE < 1354928497 411526 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I blame shachaf personally < 1354928532 381579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let radixals=undefined;_!!!!n = [rep | b <- [3..10], let rep = showIntAtBase b intToDigit n "", [maximum rep] == show (b-1)] in [n | n <- [0..], []==radicals!!!!n] < 1354928533 292116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Monoid.Lens' < 1354928533 364518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden pack... < 1354928537 346573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1354928540 775864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let radixals=undefined;_!!!!n = [rep | b <- [3..10], let rep = showIntAtBase b intToDigit n "", [maximum rep] == show (b-1)] in [n | n <- [0..], []==radicals!!!!n] < 1354928541 926923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Monoid.Lens' < 1354928542 77913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden pack... < 1354928553 849867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2 < 1354928554 676760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Monoid.Lens' < 1354928554 754910 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden pack... < 1354928562 948947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was afraid of that < 1354928566 923228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1354928572 419693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2+2 < 1354928573 364379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Monoid.Lens' < 1354928573 452463 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden pack... < 1354928583 200876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your complaint has been relayed. < 1354928588 29488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i think lambdabot is seriously broken at the moment < 1354928616 49131 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, these numbers are not entirely without patterns (nonradixals in the first 100000): [10,36,37,40,81,82,85,256,280,20776,27216,27217,27300,27301] < 1354928619 334269 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 < 1354928620 111813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Monoid.Lens' < 1354928620 189593 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden pack... < 1354928636 775091 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a tiny bit < 1354928673 489008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: a quantum amount < 1354928689 623792 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.Monoid.Lens < 1354928689 757310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 0 < 1354928690 248658 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a < 1354928690 602327 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not find module `Data.Monoid.Lens' < 1354928690 680106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It is a member of the hidden pack... < 1354928748 351553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hm a lot at about 27000 < 1354928757 836982 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: not in OEIS (is it interesting enough to submit?) < 1354928969 597054 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, sing me to sleep < 1354928970 87173 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: 53. file://localhost/ mnt/ space/ media/ books/ 1000+sci-fi%20books/%5bebooks%5d%201000+%20sciencefiction%20%26%20fantasy%20novels%20%28.lit%20forma/ pratchett%2c%20terry/ text/ 14/ fnord < 1354928981 432 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not a very good song < 1354928998 387857 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :a number is radixal if it's expressible as a number in radixal? < 1354929030 501004 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly few numbers that can't be represented that way < 1354929037 986170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this that radix thing someone mentioned < 1354929042 576879 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1354929042 746393 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld* europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1354929059 266056 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes this is the radix thing that's been going on for half an hour < 1354929061 735793 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Discworld contains lots of URIs < 1354929083 962254 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style europarl < 1354929084 224360 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: europarl (European Parliament speeches during approx. 1996-2006) < 1354929091 997643 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: write me a poem < 1354929092 308670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: to not be a radixal, a numbers representation in each base 3-10 must not contain the largest digit in the base. < 1354929094 351445 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mr president, tomorrow' s vote. i would thus like to see the israeli soldier who has been suspended and the foreign minister, mr michel stated that the council is unwilling to apply the consensus and conciliatory approach that characterize this parliament to draw up a policy to boost economic growth and employment, mark a step in the right direction. < 1354929097 528962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*'s < 1354929106 513345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice leak < 1354929120 98797 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think there might be a tiny bug in the discworld style < 1354929134 795729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets harder and harder as the numbers get larger < 1354929163 133911 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Whoops." < 1354929179 821188 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, they're from elinks -dump or something. < 1354929266 996569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote fungot, sing me to sleep GreyKnight: 53. file://localhost/ mnt/ space/ media/ books/ 1000+sci-fi%20books/%5bebooks%5d%201000+%20sciencefiction%20%26%20fantasy%20novels%20%28.lit%20forma/ pratchett%2c%20terry/ text/ 14/ fnord This is not a very good song < 1354929268 755256 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: mr president-in-office, not allied forces, mr president-in-office, two initiatives: the french, the belgians and the irish referendum and that is to say, ' mary, you are preparing to vote for or against a government in any case, all pay merits work. this situation cannot be allowed to increase under any circumstances, be resolved without difficulty. slovenia has proved particularly mature in its consensual and moderate < 1354929270 447037 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864) fungot, sing me to sleep GreyKnight: 53. file://localhost/ mnt/ space/ media/ books/ 1000+sci-fi%20books/%5bebooks%5d%201000+%20sciencefiction%20%26%20fantasy%20novels%20%28.lit%20forma/ pratchett%2c%20terry/ text/ 14/ fnord This is not a very good song < 1354929283 310628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354929283 704597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354929284 117460 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354929284 195940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354929284 333641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354929289 885050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now my shame is immortal. :/ < 1354929304 49924 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :499) That's the stupidest thing I've heard all morning. (Though I did wake up five minutes ago, so I haven't had a chance to hear very much.) The "Why are you still asleep? I told the cat to wake you up." comment does come pretty close, though. < 1354929305 930096 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay I'm internet famous < 1354929350 919288 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :57) actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge < 1354929350 993398 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :845) But let's ignore the fact that i doesn't exist. Is it even or odd? < 1354929350 993479 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :718) * Phantom_Hoover moves 0.5 Phantom_Hoover into the Atlantic, and captures fizzie's upper body with 0.5 Phantom_Hoover. Glurk. < 1354929351 782220 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :527) well, oerjan has a lot of opinions on this, so I'll hand it over to him < 1354929395 505386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: bleh, I meant to put a tiebreak on the tiebreak, but forgot < 1354929395 665587 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354929397 146154 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll do that now < 1354929430 727404 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I get a vote, but if so, rm 718 < 1354929439 258428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tiebreaks all the way down! < 1354929454 609922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vote against that < 1354929455 674031 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, that quote from me was a continuous chess joke btw < 1354929460 655665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 527 or 718 < 1354929470 742888 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want it removed :( < 1354929472 102761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARGH < 1354929474 792774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote imo < 1354929481 696830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :7) TODO: sex life \ 436) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry < 1354929496 694566 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote emo < 1354929499 584870 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :249) gah, who'd have thought removing concurrency from algol could be so difficult \ 284) elliott: I doubt water memory can last for even one second in a gravitational field (or even outside of a gravitational field), but other people think they can make water memory with telephones. \ 358) You have no idea how desperately I want to avoid being a GC guy :P Every year I go to ISMM < 1354929501 98126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1354929501 356942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 29m 3s ago: 742 has two representations ["23212","10432"] that your tie breaking won't distinguish < 1354929512 206479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION adds tiebreak to tiebreak < 1354929532 256753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you used the redundant representations to express the inexpressable numbers. < 1354929536 810099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there enough :D < 1354929560 161515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: profound :) < 1354929567 632030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the inexpressable numbers are the whole point < 1354929569 403541 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know I was supposed to @tell X_X < 1354929572 344960 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like my output method, btw? < 1354929585 114941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can't do prime codepoints, nor certain nonprime codepoints either < 1354929585 291885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks < 1354929585 563474 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm not convinced that this language is implementable, since it actually has to perform the integer->digit string conversion to operate, and that operation is both incomplete and of unknown complexity. < 1354929588 52164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine, 527 is worse < 1354929588 207978 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are like 7 bases left over for each representable number < 1354929600 559311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 527 < 1354929602 561756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf lag < 1354929604 553691 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* well, oerjan has a lot of opinions on this, so I'll hand it over to him < 1354929613 593325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that is pretty good except (a) you forgot a ")" (b) it doesn't involve ! < 1354929627 380582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but making cat impossible is very cool and stupid < 1354929634 54289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make an approximate cat < 1354929634 791397 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the operation is clearly doable fairly easily, so what does complexity have to do with it? The language might be slow? < 1354929641 75678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which chooses similar-looking codepoints < 1354929643 876858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, probably < 1354929673 82292 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Call it kitten < 1354929678 766253 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354929686 327524 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's complete, there's no way to come up with an unrepresentable number < 1354929692 583796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all the numbers are generated by converting back from digit strings < 1354929698 962773 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohyeah X-D < 1354929706 234572 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom_Hoover: hm okay that context makes it better < 1354929707 596873 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if they're strings of 0s and 1s, we add an extra non-0 non-1 digit at the start < 1354929710 705970 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (continuous chess covers a multitude of sins) < 1354929736 827794 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas2-h-1-5.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354929737 185696 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :continuous sin chess? < 1354929751 226645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine there aren't many unrepresentable numbers as you get higher up < 1354929759 759067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd have to be represented only with 0s and 1s in /every/ base < 1354929759 861310 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the operation isn't that difficult, too… just go from base 10 down and choose whichever one works, if any. < 1354929763 680121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :from 3 to 10 < 1354929776 890087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354929777 366117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354929777 848844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354929778 170057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354929778 340378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354929781 886731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you basically only need to convert it to 8 different bases then compare < 1354929788 512414 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yes. If you've been paying attention, we implemented it and played with it quite a bit < 1354929791 701084 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :756) haters gonna make som valid points < 1354929795 734197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how about extending it to arbitrary bases instead of only going to base 10? < 1354929797 780526 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: I haven't ;) < 1354929802 53198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION seconds olsner < 1354929806 820965 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was driving, making a phone call, ... < 1354929808 873352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: olsner found a surprising number just above 27000 < 1354929821 157938 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I thought 527 was kind of funny because elliott is calling someone else opinionated ;-) < 1354929821 514976 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1354929823 317387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 < 1354929824 720887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0 < 1354929831 272821 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :517) Hmm, I really need to institute dwarven birth control. < 1354929831 573033 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grey Ooze? < 1354929832 325471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> product[1..10] < 1354929833 771195 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3628800 < 1354929834 10484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: it makes more sense in context < 1354929834 96510 :Gregor!codu@codu.org NICK :TheSmooze < 1354929835 991625 :TheSmooze!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Smooze! < 1354929838 379462 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :434) ais523, how are we supposed to guess before you tell us unless you give us more hints? < 1354929838 949104 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :830) my best guess is 4 years ago but possibly also yesterday < 1354929839 376555 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :110) cmake is a nuclear powered waffle iron powered by a burning-hot testicle attachment and it burns one of the waffles and doesn't touch the other. < 1354929846 249522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> foldl1' lcm[1..10] < 1354929847 649973 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2520 < 1354929850 237185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :434 is not funny < 1354929858 340793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's not that then < 1354929862 327920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cornballer! < 1354929869 772097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :830 and 110 are both good < 1354929879 929460 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like 517 or 756 < 1354929894 653600 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although 756 is better out of those < 1354929908 54813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : they'd have to be represented only with 0s and 1s in /every/ base <-- no, just not use the largest digit of the base < 1354929909 207561 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :434 is there to mock vorpal more or less < 1354929919 776885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 517 < 1354929951 672157 :TheSmooze!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, the tiebreaker should choose the shortest (first priority), lowest base (second priority), yes? < 1354929964 322710 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :517 or 434 < 1354929982 344821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 517 < 1354929989 464093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also, I thought 527 was kind of funny because elliott is calling someone else opinionated ;-) <-- no the joke is i don't have any opinions < 1354929991 53126 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Hmm, I really need to institute dwarven birth control. < 1354929992 211135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who hasn't been around Vorpal can't vote on mocks of him, of course < 1354930005 14034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the joke is mainly the person I was getting to talk to you. < 1354930010 758390 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I met Vorpal a little bit in #feather-lang < 1354930013 689762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930014 97365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930014 439827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930014 596433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930015 75150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930017 924824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monqy < 1354930023 555591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, we're sincerely sorry < 1354930029 227520 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :226) gah, why does lose keep winning? < 1354930030 386621 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :287) I've only watched bad movies about video game. I enjoyed every second of it. \ 324) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup \ 327) `quote django < 1354930045 823235 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't that bad, maybe I didn't get the full experience :-? < 1354930059 957213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal stopped being bad and started being boring so now we grudgingly accept his presence < 1354930065 726378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal hi was just talking about you today!! < 1354930065 894035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354930069 402477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought he was in the channel but in fact he wasn't < 1354930071 831549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheSmooze: yes < 1354930073 49080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shame < 1354930074 281068 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :802) I couldn't survive an apocalypse. I don't even have any bitcoins. < 1354930074 355395 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :454) So it's like... Rummy mixed with... breakout? < 1354930074 511824 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :659) i cnat eve begin to understand what you meant with that "one" < 1354930074 870884 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :424) Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once. < 1354930079 671727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and zeroth priority is lowest sum of digits < 1354930085 446991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, because it's harder to game than other tiebreaks would be < 1354930093 921341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when was I funny enough to come up with 802 < 1354930098 536903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this must be some other elliott < 1354930103 805368 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :802 is indeed funny < 1354930107 328245 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :misattributed quote? < 1354930109 294355 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed out of character for you < 1354930118 317842 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog survive an apocalypse.*bitcoins < 1354930130 257859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope it hits the original quote, rather than the addquote < 1354930138 591127 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog survive an apocalypse.*bitcoins < 1354930144 607835 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the recommended rejection method for binary numbers in Radixal programs < 1354930157 323409 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354930163 10559 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8553 < 1354930177 748574 :TheSmooze!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : and zeroth priority is lowest sum of digits // I don't like this < 1354930180 516293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i like all thoes quotes < 1354930184 944619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 454 is worst? < 1354930188 934914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :659 is probably bad but it amuses me < 1354930197 957192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's keep them all < 1354930206 194230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why 454 is funny, but it is < 1354930207 12311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930207 339015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930207 412928 :TheSmooze!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because then we acknowledge that unrepresentable numbers exist. < 1354930207 657982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930207 833950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930208 68097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930215 435948 :TheSmooze!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they might be the sum of digits. < 1354930222 743942 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :309) Grr. Why does it exist? Why can't I kill it? < 1354930226 150305 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :659 is bad < 1354930230 25816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheSmooze: it's fine to acknowledge that, we acknowledge them on input too < 1354930237 301983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well it looks like an innuendo < 1354930239 453745 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it isn't < 1354930243 282020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't........ < 1354930243 618726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's inherently funny < 1354930266 160654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy; hi < 1354930268 755244 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :697) [...] we choose only die fittest people of nigeria [...] < 1354930271 788744 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :373) elliott: actually, it's worse right now, I'm in the USA where the solution to counterfeiting problems is "add more ink" eventually all US bills will just be solid green < 1354930272 235990 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :86) I don't know that I've ever heard apocalypi described in terms of depth ... < 1354930272 480228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :719) damn i should make a quasiquoter for inline FORTRAN < 1354930279 789424 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how it looks like an innuendo either TBH < 1354930285 700382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, we've deleted approximately 31 quotes over approximately the last 6 months < 1354930301 744346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the `pastelog shows the quote number decreasing < 1354930302 602221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ... not a lot < 1354930303 995000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote cheater < 1354930310 55277 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354930315 602905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cheater < 1354930315 838082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater says: and i'm kinda like an ad-hoc dr phil. < 1354930316 434735 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many have we added in the same time? < 1354930320 857249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we deleted all of cheater's quotes < 1354930324 199252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :373 is good < 1354930325 869542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because he isn't funny) < 1354930329 550561 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should get pizza and have a deletion party :> < 1354930330 785121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cheater < 1354930331 19427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater says: drupal is a bit like working with the facebook api while someone keeps dropping concussion grenades in your office < 1354930340 799892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO 697 < 1354930343 579825 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but quotes higher than that one won't show up as part of that quote's decrease < 1354930343 967371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not very good for a fungot quote < 1354930345 351623 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i welcome the initiative that has been developed mainly to fill the jobs in our countries are too reliant on connections to russia, but to the level of youth unemployment. in this connection, i should also like to congratulate the irish presidency for the clarification it has given before, is discrimination, because it allows people to enter the european union < 1354930345 903544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: agreed < 1354930349 86300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 697 < 1354930353 183813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* [...] we choose only die fittest people of nigeria [...] < 1354930353 262051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: that's why "approximately" < 1354930359 479481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you could just look at `help < 1354930362 274567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even hg log inside the vm < 1354930363 961607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930364 539704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930364 916465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930365 60099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930367 433676 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :697 or 309 (might be funnier with context) < 1354930367 506633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930375 452042 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I was too slow! < 1354930375 566120 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :195) Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) < 1354930375 701505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote neutrino < 1354930375 949025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. My mind is going. I can feel it. < 1354930376 741947 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :190) "Every physicist wants to violate Einstein, but thus far the great man has remained pretty chaste." --Kode Vicious < 1354930377 720658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote neutrino_ < 1354930377 891839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Have you considered trying to match wits with a rutabaga? < 1354930401 518027 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :394) pikhq, living in the future sucks. The past just keeps coming up to us and trying to make us feel guilty. < 1354930401 590623 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :479) now theodore seuss is dead... so screw him < 1354930404 954949 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :190) "Every physicist wants to violate Einstein, but thus far the great man has remained pretty chaste." --Kode Vicious < 1354930413 419034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :190 is there twice! < 1354930418 886917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has this ever happened before, and do we have rules for it? < 1354930426 515342 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete it twice < 1354930437 269529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 191 might be really good < 1354930438 119822 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we could draw another quote, but then we've broken the rule of five < 1354930445 174955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many quotes are there? < 1354930451 282306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 191 < 1354930453 662912 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gasp < 1354930454 78489 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :191) The Perl script is probably slower than the Befunge code. < 1354930459 308700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote How many quotes are there? < 1354930462 295788 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :862) How many quotes are there? < 1354930463 348818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1354930464 494649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 862 < 1354930464 821762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :861 < 1354930466 137340 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1354930486 451237 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* How many quotes are there? < 1354930490 328985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is /totally/ the official way to count quotes) < 1354930495 83741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`qc < 1354930498 121108 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861 quotes < 1354930499 964184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hi < 1354930503 559763 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354930504 58993 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungot < 1354930504 779361 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: mr president, you are right, mr president! the pensioners' party, who have been, so to speak, i will try to prevent this eventuality, they want to do together. < 1354930508 691921 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 15) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 17) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. please let me go... put me out! he's really a tricycle! pass him! \ 62) < 1354930510 747029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi monqy < 1354930511 387800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: but you got a race condition on the number! < 1354930514 833808 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354930517 886486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:33:38 has this ever happened before, and do we have rules for it? < 1354930522 652720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rule is to start from scratch I think < 1354930530 170747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930530 371987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930530 566431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's a sensible rule < 1354930530 644647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930530 983893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930531 218443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930533 559548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930535 590615 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete the quote database and start over? < 1354930536 162924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930536 771935 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pensioners' party want to do together :-o Try to prevent that eventuality, fungot! < 1354930537 652044 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: mr president, i too handled asbestos when making and connecting pipes and tubing. in retrospect, i probably consumed incredible amounts of fibres, threads and cloth and also the rapporteur's proposed resolution, i should like to ask you whether, in the past. < 1354930538 638474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930539 444818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: stop botspamming < 1354930541 72632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930551 91705 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :437) in the title of the page it says "Well-Typed - The Haskell Consultants" but i want to know who are the haskell conraisins? < 1354930559 637412 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :469) anyway, notational systems are a function of the euclidean plane < 1354930595 10590 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shachaf < 1354930611 953617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :437 is not a good pun and it even doesn't work < 1354930619 622379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good i like it A+ < 1354930621 212913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1354930621 755751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930622 84733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930622 523799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930625 126491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930627 594296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930644 111930 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we have like 15 `quotes queued now < 1354930659 318334 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :682) Hey, I found Gregor on Spokeo. He's a married black male in his late 50s who lives in an apartment worth about $37,000. He did not go to college and works in sales. He lives in Detroit. I... think we might have found the wrong one. < 1354930662 619512 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :314) i know it's unusual, but i agree with you both to some extent < 1354930663 839112 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate. < 1354930675 578811 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :201) LoTR actually compresses pretty well into a film; the large amount of description becomes unnecessary. LotR would compress pretty well into a book; the large amount of description *is* unnecessary. < 1354930677 864970 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354930685 159465 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :438) If in some day, I publish some book, that might include some of the programs I have written too, but also some other books, possibly. However I never yet publish any book. < 1354930691 122689 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :36) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that < 1354930694 220244 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :127) Why shouldn't I just do everything in non-Microsoft-specific C#? it's like trying to write non-IE-specific JavaScript with only Microsoft documentation and only IE to test on < 1354930695 142886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, it throttled < 1354930706 816933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo q < 1354930711 573332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr < 1354930711 729277 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swab the deck! < 1354930721 130550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't HackEgo be more like lambdabot? < 1354930727 583405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run uname -a < 1354930733 578732 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnack < 1354930733 686625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1354930735 857528 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1354930736 481901 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why can't it be more like, say, heptagram or nickserv, too? < 1354930741 385262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1354930742 5922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930742 416505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930742 778506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930743 14112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930745 473312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930752 632723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :282) [After a long monologue] i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar < 1354930753 779758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: All good questions. < 1354930757 591722 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't hackego be more like shachaf < 1354930767 197890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you learn lens yet < 1354930769 476324 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I suspect zzo38 of being a bot < 1354930771 366353 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :808) Sleep on the ceiling next Sunday. < 1354930775 47767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: he isn't < 1354930782 263151 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PART :#esoteric < 1354930784 415411 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we know for sure? < 1354930787 169613 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :424) Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once. < 1354930787 348666 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is reasonably hard to imitate, although you can imitate him if you want to anyway < 1354930789 52339 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :529) OK, making myself emergency doctor on the advice of IRC. < 1354930794 524071 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: did you learn lens yet? < 1354930797 181271 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :185) Oh. Stuff that uses actual physical numbers stemming from science. Bleh *gets bored* < 1354930801 138071 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :172) well i just ate some stuff and watched family guy and i own a piano and i'm not wearing socks < 1354930812 851797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell bike we miss you < 1354930813 21171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354930828 416235 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :449) Sgeo_, the origin of suffering is desire for e-book readers. < 1354930829 390425 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: I miss you, too! < 1354930835 722029 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux umlbox 3.0.8-umlbox #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 x86_64 GNU/Linux < 1354930835 818574 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EgoBot: where are you? < 1354930846 749115 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :851) `welcome Rawlie * zzo38 has joined #esoteric thank you You're welcome. < 1354930847 484993 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :340) How to make a tasty deep-fried treat: 1) Buy ingredients: Large vat of boiling oil, dry ice and a small Filipino boy. 2) Place Filipino boy in dry ice until frozen solid. 3) Shatter now-frozen Filipino boy into boiling oil. 4) Wait fifteen minutes, drain and enjoy! I have the weirdest boner right now. < 1354930847 643018 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :36) `translatefromto hu en Hogy hogy hogy ami kemeny How hard is that < 1354930873 293218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheSmooze: kill HackEgo plz < 1354930876 698388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or we will never get it synchronised < 1354930879 609416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :851 actually made me laugh out loud (in real life) < 1354930889 157394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly because of the , admittedly < 1354930911 149378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :340 is the worst there < 1354930913 22350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just isn't funny < 1354930918 706329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo im done < 1354930921 731121 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, because that was the funny part of it < 1354930926 996276 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :im done < 1354930932 953982 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it might not be < 1354930937 394307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember it's asynchronous < 1354930940 916814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo im really reallydone < 1354930942 952048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo < 1354930943 108371 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@@ @echo @echo @echo @ < 1354930943 190994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo"]} rest:"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \"freenode\", msgLBName = \"lambdabot\", msgPrefix = \"shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf\", msgCommand = \"PRIVMSG\", msgParams = [\"#esoteric\",\" < 1354930943 264402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo\"]} rest:\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\"freenode\\\", msgLBName = \\\"lambdabot\\\", msgPrefix = \\\"shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf\\\", msgCommand = \\\" < 1354930943 296133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PRIVMSG\\\", msgParams = [\\\"#esoteric\\\",\\\":@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo\\\"]} rest:\\\"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \\\\\\\"freenode\\\\\\\", msgLBName = \\\\\\\"lambdabot\\\\\\\", msgPrefix < 1354930943 296438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric := \\\\\\\"shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf\\\\\\\", msgCommand = \\\\\\\"PRIVMSG\\\\\\\", msgParams = [\\\\\\\"#esoteric\\\\\\\",\\\\\\\":@@ @echo @echo @echo @echo\\\\\\\"]} rest:\\\\\\\"\\\\\\ < 1354930943 639610 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :im really reallydone < 1354930945 65558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\"\\\"\"" < 1354930950 537639 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :340 is bad < 1354930963 427609 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lambdabot just threw up < 1354930967 950946 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf............................................ < 1354930969 116936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i will assume HackEgo synchronised up now < 1354930970 422015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930970 776762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930971 184432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930971 318417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930973 649496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354930976 688220 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 340 < 1354930978 44972 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh. What does @@ do? < 1354930979 945628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I delete 340 anyway? < 1354930981 937512 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :179) That is the mark of Gregor right there. tswett: except that Gregor didn't write that It's still the mark of Gregor. < 1354930983 942771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sure < 1354930987 756945 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help @ < 1354930987 911191 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ [args]. < 1354930988 140212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what < 1354930988 140268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ executes plugin invocations in its arguments, parentheses can be used. < 1354930988 140311 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The commands are right associative. < 1354930988 140352 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : For example: @ @pl @undo code < 1354930988 140413 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : is the same as: @ (@pl (@undo code)) < 1354931008 140569 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help @@ < 1354931008 316265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1354931011 548131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we'll delete it once this quoteset happens < 1354931017 616044 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as not to get confused about the numbers < 1354931019 885735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if it ever happens < 1354931028 761544 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :19) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: there is plenty of room to get head twice at once < 1354931031 238306 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :140) Sgeo: hahaah, and i love when they announced it i dare u to press alt f4 and your house ( acts 16:31 your bible) < 1354931033 84498 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :675) The book "Science Made Stupid" ends with a list of things that might happen in the future (some already have), one of them is a woman president. Some things in the list are reasonable but a few are just funny instead. < 1354931033 553218 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :615) anyway fungot is the only esolang irc bot I know of that doesn't depend on nethack or a similar helper < 1354931036 707665 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there it is < 1354931040 390338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 340 < 1354931049 48075 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1354931050 340451 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* How to make a tasty deep-fried treat: 1) Buy ingredients: Large vat of boiling oil, dry ice and a small Filipino boy. 2) Place Filipino boy in dry ice until frozen solid. 3) Shatter now-frozen Filipino boy into boiling oil. 4) Wait fifteen minutes, drain and enjoy! I have the weirdest boner right now. < 1354931053 42620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, 614 is good < 1354931053 702588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: now we'll just get confused about the numbers in this batch < 1354931057 126095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I won't! < 1354931067 134960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just use the old numbers to talk about them < 1354931072 698043 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really get 674 < 1354931073 924482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :140 is really good < 1354931082 732807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, it's about middle for fungot, IMO < 1354931083 464135 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: mr president, the aim of which is to issue a statement making it absolutely clear: wood is an industrial commodity under community law. < 1354931092 838959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's "acts 16:31 your bible" that makes it < 1354931100 498053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it says some crap and can't even think of a proper citation < 1354931106 173976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1354931122 964195 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1354931123 203666 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1354931124 692559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :19 is not really out of character for bsmntbombdood, so I don't see why the alternate universe is required < 1354931139 59206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really delete 19 < 1354931143 793813 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's part of a series I think < 1354931144 256661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :178 is quite funny < 1354931145 524404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :without also deleting 10 other classic quotes or so < 1354931147 71286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354931151 10477 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deleting 1 < 1354931160 453562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't personally like 615 that much < 1354931165 79142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :675 isn't that great either tho < 1354931166 594713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd delete 674, I think < 1354931192 455533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll let you < 1354931196 436031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't delete a zzo quote personally < 1354931201 281532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 674 < 1354931201 818851 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 614? < 1354931204 979693 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* The book "Science Made Stupid" ends with a list of things that might happen in the future (some already have), one of them is a woman president. Some things in the list are reasonable but a few are just funny instead. < 1354931208 544649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 614 < 1354931217 235580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing with fungot and zzo quotes < 1354931217 752449 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i just checked, and the whole purpose of this is not necessary.... < 1354931227 993448 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that those people say a lot of good quotable things < 1354931231 653928 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like that one, for instance < 1354931235 12013 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot does not approve of quote game < 1354931235 581033 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: down comforter! vectors are no match for " fnord < 1354931246 991035 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet people sometimes quote the bad ones instead :( < 1354931255 218984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931255 558366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931256 133187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931256 206437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931256 355784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931263 928319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1354931264 81649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :companion_cube says: why bother with complicated abstractions like monads, when you can enjoy the taste of the sun on your skin? < 1354931267 593246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [after a session of saying five quotes and deleting one] ais523: i just checked, and the whole purpose of this is not necessary.... < 1354931268 248865 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: in this case is a huge installed base out there, whatever it's failings? :) i'm implementing the rabin-miller strong pseudoprime test, etc. < 1354931270 947905 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10) 11 holes for me :D < 1354931280 182075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "saying"? < 1354931280 993075 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) [after a session of saying five quotes and deleting one] ais523: i just checked, and the whole purpose of this is not necessary.... < 1354931285 216015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, right < 1354931289 15543 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 860 < 1354931293 665978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [after a session of requesting five quotes and deleting one] ais523: i just checked, and the whole purpose of this is not necessary.... < 1354931294 546410 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: this sucks. eval evaluates my sexp on top level. no such semantics exists. cps is inherently a monadic entity. if you < 1354931302 915841 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* [after a session of saying five quotes and deleting one] ais523: i just checked, and the whole purpose of this is not necessary.... < 1354931321 158932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about just "after a quote deletion session" < 1354931327 377946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK < 1354931328 952468 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is seriously shockingly coherent for fungot < 1354931329 694611 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: and the smooth stream in smoother numbers fnord that hasn't come up one single time i try i get new messages.) to google, some eileen cohen died last may. < 1354931334 63125 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm really confused about the async dependencies now < 1354931336 112094 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :565) if all my Facebook friends were to visit a page, it wouldn't make any difference at all < 1354931336 331907 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :678) Here in Scotland we have a rigorous and well-tested theory of brothels. < 1354931338 203903 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :399) Dear eHow: Please don't assume that my toilet works like that Or, at least, my toilet looks different < 1354931338 979812 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :778) 99 bugs in the bug tracker, 99 reports of bugs. Take one down and commit a fix, 106 bugs in the bug tracker. < 1354931349 221331 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861) [after a session of requesting five quotes and deleting one] ais523: i just checked, and the whole purpose of this is not necessary.... < 1354931356 479004 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it's 861 as well < 1354931357 956046 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 is a bit boring < 1354931358 823870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as expected < 1354931362 404957 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 860 < 1354931368 617116 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354931370 37254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 860 < 1354931373 537113 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354931376 605107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't work < 1354931378 746925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :need to wait a bit < 1354931383 226942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it did < 1354931392 992421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conflict was resolved the correct way after all < 1354931397 11167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I add another quote now it'll be 860 < 1354931408 375339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [after a quote deletion session] ais523: i just checked, and the whole purpose of this is not necessary.... < 1354931409 37782 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why not? is there a way to transmit any information between two numbers, and outputs a scheme program. in this case < 1354931411 579209 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) [after a quote deletion session] ais523: i just checked, and the whole purpose of this is not necessary.... < 1354931414 456986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :se < 1354931416 402778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*see < 1354931419 881637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well it is meant to say *poof* < 1354931423 127300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your delquotes actually did nothing < 1354931424 345254 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it did < 1354931427 796178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the first delquote < 1354931431 985780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:49:22 `delquote 860 < 1354931432 58267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:49:28 No output. < 1354931432 58456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:49:29 `delquote 860 < 1354931432 58562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:49:33 No output. < 1354931438 549564 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those were the second and third < 1354931440 752081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway let's start again < 1354931441 777209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931442 338190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931442 410908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931442 556498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931444 781111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931449 993328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which were intended to do nothing if the conflict went the right way < 1354931452 43177 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :62) i am sad ( of course by analogy) :) smileys) < 1354931453 203416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to fix it if it went the wrong way < 1354931454 93929 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :108) [...] i'm a law student so i am loving my bread machine < 1354931460 282876 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, 62 is funny < 1354931469 381198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :108 is also quite good < 1354931478 548179 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :754) and then I spent much of the rest of the time trying to work out how to implement 3D Hashlife efficiently when at least one of the colors has free will < 1354931478 782108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine fungot proudly standing over its bread machine < 1354931479 407081 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it does... on edwin it doesn't for me. i could case me through it, with which i'm unfamiliar? < 1354931481 749718 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :108 is better than 62 I think < 1354931484 788643 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :359) The eigenratio of reality has to be enormous, though. < 1354931485 560446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1354931486 21615 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :382) " Damn right!" wouldn't be much of a quote :P < 1354931498 678916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :754 is good, and I still want to know the solution to that < 1354931508 391143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354931508 688619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :382 is not very good < 1354931511 425139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1354931513 749929 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1354931514 543465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say 382 too < 1354931522 184753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I will < 1354931524 251000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :382 < 1354931528 562900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 382 < 1354931532 527225 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* " Damn right!" wouldn't be much of a quote :P < 1354931532 847289 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to know the solution to 754 as well :-o < 1354931532 920444 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does a color have free will? < 1354931534 716900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931534 840645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931535 183491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931535 354347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931535 588422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354931543 576918 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also, the question) < 1354931546 464625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: if there's a human controlling what it does < 1354931547 761356 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :721) Quinary computers replace the cache with a quiche. < 1354931557 32859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: this is related to elliottcraft < 1354931557 189201 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1354931574 718830 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric := minecraft + elliott - mine ? < 1354931587 50995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly humans thinking they have free wil < 1354931591 628295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :771) Very much like "cen" is Latin for "horse", "yak" is Latin for "yak". < 1354931591 974506 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :354) I think I managed something like a one-expression increment that was only a few hundred characters long < 1354931594 9529 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :385) elliott: His mouse obeys the law of the excluded middle :/ < 1354931594 87198 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, basically, something I've been inventing which has a very slight resemblance to minecraft, and also a slight resemblance to Rubicon < 1354931599 186265 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :89) I perceived it so hard I actually went away :O < 1354931608 659190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is named after elliott rather than me because it's rare to name personal projects after someone else < 1354931639 845377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are all good IMO < 1354931641 908107 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I like minecraft, rubicon, and Life, so this can only lead to good things < 1354931653 626812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i request monqy's vote < 1354931654 953327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354931659 774527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't hurt my head nearly as much as Feather < 1354931668 587240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just "this is too big a task for me", rather than "ouch stop thinking about it" < 1354931728 869756 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: idk but what's a mouse obeying the law of the excluded middle supposed to mean < 1354931738 622840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: that's a good question < 1354931739 983341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should we find out < 1354931753 198531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it means that either the mouse, or not the mouse < 1354931754 18353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no exceptions < 1354931761 185786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog elliott: His mouse obeys the law of the excluded middle :/ < 1354931770 869957 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S WITH PASTLOG? < 1354931782 279828 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shoves an e into everyone < 1354931788 53294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: it's like `log except not today < 1354931790 89795 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354931790 89883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastlog < 1354931790 335980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a command < 1354931799 182516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pastlog and pastelog both being commands is annoying < 1354931799 995101 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354931802 390784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cheater < 1354931802 559319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater says: drupal is a bit like working with the facebook api while someone keeps dropping concussion grenades in your office < 1354931802 977276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cheater < 1354931803 55035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater says: let's all just delete haskell from our hdds and drink mercury < 1354931803 446144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cheater < 1354931803 524813 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because one looks like a typo for the other < 1354931803 608674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater says: and i'm kinda like an ad-hoc dr phil. < 1354931803 951223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cheater < 1354931804 81338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater says: every time kmc trolls, i troll through his actions. < 1354931804 327526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cheater < 1354931804 481550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheater says: let's all just delete haskell from our hdds and drink mercury < 1354931806 897715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also pastlog often doesn't work < 1354931809 385648 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a command that hasn't worked the times I saw it tried to be used < 1354931810 412533 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :should call it pastalog or passedlog < 1354931816 263641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to hackego timing out < 1354931828 363012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: please stop bot abusing < 1354931844 119865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference? < 1354931844 777532 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354931846 913673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a difference between running commands because the output is interesting / aids a conversation < 1354931852 424039 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : and also: the first #esoteric meeting ever <-- that's really never happened? < 1354931853 547605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and running commands to try to spam the channel to make a point < 1354931866 746960 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :greyooze: it almost did < 1354931877 470256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that time when fizzie was a train < 1354931888 752096 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the log I am quoting from < 1354931922 894050 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-3.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354931932 682849 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1354931939 962486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs elliott: His mouse obeys the law of the excluded middle :/ < 1354931952 395572 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27584 < 1354931972 425354 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some continued discussion later on about other people here who have actually met < 1354931985 216285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`logurl 2011-07-01 < 1354931987 560316 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-07-01 < 1354931988 432815 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was concluded that none of those meetings were #esoteric meetings < 1354932003 442731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it seems to have been mostly out of context < 1354932015 94989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1354932025 210915 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote meeting < 1354932028 658201 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :202) 22:55 < qfr> How am I supposed to develop software in Haskell if I can't even prepare my projects in UML?! It seems like an impossible task. HAHA [...] this is amazing, like meeting a Mormon or something < 1354932030 798489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the context is http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu6lgNgAH38 o rsomething < 1354932037 169796 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not watched this video < 1354932040 656903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it is worth watching??? < 1354932047 199391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to know < 1354932048 100280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :preliminary observations suggest no < 1354932061 139187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1354932067 689698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a particularly frustrating argument in another channel < 1354932078 51219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932078 229216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932078 509197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932078 688053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932078 832124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932080 562754 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think context is actually http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfZ8hmmApE ? < 1354932081 498841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932082 133270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I was trying to explain that I could have a good idea that something wasn't worth watching without watching it < 1354932084 81959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1354932084 357499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: haskell supports uml though < 1354932086 744603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accidentally did one too many < 1354932091 459207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well let's just ignore the last one < 1354932096 145709 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`unquote < 1354932098 732132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :483) I MIGHT BECOME GHOST < 1354932104 830301 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, no, firs tlinked video makes more sense < 1354932109 31358 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :602) You know what annoys me about Deep Space 9. It wasn't in deep space. It was orbiting Bajor. < 1354932119 462895 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if YouTube has a "random video" button < 1354932122 212646 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: unquote: not found < 1354932124 541408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google needs a "random webpage" button < 1354932142 743943 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, context is the Iu6 < 1354932146 856670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously Bajor is in deep space < 1354932158 49208 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :830) My latest FB post: The worst part of floating point math is not the fact that 0.1 + 0.2 yields 0.30000000000000004, but trying to explain to people why their language is horribly broken if 0.1 + 0.2 does NOT yield 0.30000000000000004. < 1354932160 381673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well so is Earth, right? < 1354932163 52961 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :405) Deewiant: Well, I guess you could argue so. But to me a it's not a real clobbering if you can still tell there was something that got clobbered. < 1354932163 925145 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :464) You realise the micromanagement it took to make quintopia encrust my silver throne with emeralds rather than a jug? < 1354932167 146090 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :152) dc -e '[a=]P?[b=]P?[dSarLa%d0 Google Maps has options for "avoid highways" and "avoid tolls", but no "avoid Chicago" < 1354932368 728635 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :821) yeah well, petty theft > federal obstruction of justice < 1354932368 807430 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :86) I don't know that I've ever heard apocalypi described in terms of depth ... < 1354932369 170491 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :417) god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan himself < 1354932369 251619 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :431) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later nap in peace < 1354932460 651076 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vote for 821 and 431 < 1354932486 216829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can only delete one!! < 1354932516 697029 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else vote then and we can see who wins < 1354932546 885052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: we need you < 1354932572 600890 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354932606 478057 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wb me < 1354932632 835257 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354932636 208715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :325 or 821 < 1354932643 446582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have typed that faster but things kept stealing focus < 1354932661 233023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latest version of Ubuntu has fixed one focus-stealing monstrosity but added two more < 1354932672 760242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :431 is good < 1354932678 269985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932678 541803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932678 780881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932678 858741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't delete it < 1354932679 93207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932679 297675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932687 575275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, 431 is good < 1354932695 741123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I'm getting a little bored of pentaquoting, anyway < 1354932696 746968 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is OpenSUSE better than Kubuntu? < 1354932705 475869 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :519) I'm sacrificing the animals, then I'm going to bed. < 1354932707 386691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: maybe that means there are no bad quotes left < 1354932717 620912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1354932719 937074 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We could always add some! < 1354932721 454927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote hi < 1354932721 882905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the DF quotes aren't so great < 1354932729 754031 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf < 1354932731 236072 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1354932737 474275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: please < 1354932744 463807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you /always/ this immature, and I just didn't notice? < 1354932747 676599 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) hi < 1354932750 364424 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O shachaf actually listens to me? This is scary. < 1354932752 3022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or have you become less mature as you grew up? < 1354932753 282416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1354932755 584219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 860 < 1354932763 106155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was going to `delquote, but `revert works too < 1354932769 95489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less typing < 1354932770 422353 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :184) zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Avogadro's number. It's broken? < 1354932773 814771 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1354932775 807783 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :339) Oracle's awesome < 1354932777 302733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think less unreliable < 1354932778 561421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :async-wise < 1354932778 954415 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :596) fizzie: It's like a JIT, if JITs were... strings. < 1354932779 81107 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :603) If you jump a car from a ramp and hit the wall of a building, in midair, you tend to get ejected up and fly to the sky-ceiling, then slowly slide at that height to one corner of the world; then you land, make a complicated spinning-around thing for a while, and then explode. Also probably works in real life? < 1354932781 624778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :184 is good < 1354932791 747274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :596 is good < 1354932795 305372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :339 is not good < 1354932797 140603 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* hi < 1354932802 678503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:11:45 519) I'm sacrificing the animals, then I'm going to bed. < 1354932804 44854 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog Oracle's awesome < 1354932805 180554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :603 is good though < 1354932806 98873 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no..what got reverted..... < 1354932806 263394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also this one in case you missed it < 1354932807 534187 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must know the context < 1354932811 751228 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-4.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354932813 220190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mentioned it tangentially < 1354932815 235996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so good < 1354932823 221689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably delete 339 though < 1354932832 228193 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only just reconnected from the last failure! Furrfu < 1354932836 928923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354932869 54415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 339 < 1354932872 443125 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Oracle's awesome < 1354932873 946742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's do one more < 1354932874 990426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932875 103045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932875 439717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932875 633503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932878 259417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354932894 226548 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :629) It's like single player Hackiki in a way(?) Ngevd: yes, but with multiple players. < 1354932894 300184 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :688) i think i'll just take the usual route and go do post doc research somewhere far away and never come back and become a drug lord and kill myself < 1354932894 895211 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog Oracle.* < 1354932927 473632 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolls out. < 1354932929 244671 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1354932937 480671 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1354932940 688121 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1354932941 675128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 629 < 1354932945 16940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 699 too but not as much < 1354932945 411139 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf was the context? < 1354932946 616551 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :797) I couldn't survive an apocalypse. I don't even have any bitcoins. < 1354932948 181599 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :111) we'd care about a turing-complete pencil < 1354932949 830443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*688 < 1354932950 540938 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :850) omg that JIT is really amazing [...] I hear if you listen carefully to the rustling wind on a warm night with a full moon, you can hear the sound of the JIT building ARM functions. < 1354932953 711180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :797 is good < 1354932960 704305 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :111 is true but not that funny < 1354932970 79386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :850 isn't so great either < 1354933008 10651 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean for a pencil to be turing complete.... < 1354933020 820213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's the same concept as USB sushi, really < 1354933078 162575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone follow tdwtf sidebar? there was the best snoofle post ever today < 1354933085 919094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 111 < 1354933095 791211 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* we'd care about a turing-complete pencil < 1354933165 976257 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw I liked 111 :< < 1354933267 783205 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfffff < 1354933273 24809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: hi < 1354933276 603309 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354933290 968447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome elliott < 1354933296 390459 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354933317 864337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf… < 1354933322 489805 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :" hi" has to be a quote < 1354933335 187803 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lest the meme be forgotten? < 1354933349 150941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheSmooze: does HackEgo have an ignore list? if so, you may want to consider adding shachaf to it < 1354933356 380298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1354933362 274098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it contains exactly one entry < 1354933372 852930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? egobot? < 1354933373 282968 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: don't use modules i don't like it < 1354933397 169782 :TheSmooze!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: For what reason? < 1354933399 905169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf ,[.,]!`echo test < 1354933400 214400 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo test < 1354933403 61199 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1354933418 237354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/hg/index.cgi/file/9fe46bf600be/multibot_cmds/PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd#l49) < 1354933422 932522 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheSmooze: he's been repeatedly spamming bot commands, especially in the middle of conversations / attempts to use other bot commands, mostly using HackEgo, to no real benefit < 1354933454 707491 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-4.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354933476 273292 :TheSmooze!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Second opinion? < 1354933478 576967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote what does it mean for a pencil to be turing complete.... monqy: it's the same concept as USB sushi, really < 1354933486 223404 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :858) what does it mean for a pencil to be turing complete.... monqy: it's the same concept as USB sushi, really < 1354933489 658890 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354933496 540898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK, I like that followup quote < 1354933502 519477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if I was slightly aiming to be quoted there < 1354933506 571238 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usb sushi is dangerous. I think I would try to eat it < 1354933509 553033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(USB sushi actually does exist, btw) < 1354933513 906732 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1354933517 352131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although it's just sushi with an embedded flash drive) < 1354933533 789453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote usb sushi is dangerous. I think I would try to eat it < 1354933537 105524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of a previous quote < 1354933537 264023 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :859) usb sushi is dangerous. I think I would try to eat it < 1354933540 583681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't know which < 1354933546 271696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1354933549 510683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's monqy's first one < 1354933561 570912 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the petrol quote? < 1354933579 663382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1354933620 947436 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there've been a few quotes like that < 1354933681 765509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheSmooze: I say yes. < 1354933718 856197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you trying to apply reverse psychology? < 1354933731 399645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: if he said either no /or/ yes, would you believe him? < 1354933800 173296 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he said yes, I would < 1354933815 501009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you wouldn't if he said no? < 1354933830 101028 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he said no I would interpret it as yes and believe him < 1354933851 746277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, in which case there isn't much of a point in receiving an answer to the question < 1354933864 438143 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1354933870 475728 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's still useful to some extent for its rhetorical effect) < 1354933877 664969 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a name for this kind of question < 1354933932 208877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhetorical question < 1354933993 375315 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354933997 891950 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354934092 975999 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354934394 922735 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : lament is so positive and full of hope in the 2003 logs < 1354934490 870445 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dawww < 1354934556 876233 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett Wait, are you ihope?? < 1354934557 33902 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354934746 244429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354934812 400471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett is ihope, also kerlo; elliott is alise, also tusho. or was that the other way around. < 1354934832 871322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i contain multitudes < 1354934859 428577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am oerjan, also oerjan_. < 1354934910 858302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I forgot about tusho < 1354934913 948723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog oerjan__ < 1354934919 79748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :scarf < 1354934925 983716 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't used this nick in a while < 1354934935 260133 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-09.txt:20:14:37: -!- oerjan is now known as oerjan__. < 1354934943 803076 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-17-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354934949 348764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you also oerjan__? < 1354934957 562191 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, that's me < 1354934971 448790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have irssi set only to know about oerjan_, so i dunno why i did that. < 1354934992 944697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am shachaf, also shachaf_. < 1354935004 924406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Freenode account is named "Shachaf" for some reason, though. < 1354935010 855192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I was a bad person when I made it. < 1354935053 897083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a Capital mistake? < 1354935141 731730 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354935185 714289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor greyooze will never know the secrets just revealed. < 1354935279 599021 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner is oerjan__ < 1354935322 497991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead he must make up his own false ones < 1354935368 610737 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Are you also oerjan__? < 1354935373 432844 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : shachaf: no, that's me < 1354935388 860998 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I provide citations! < 1354935418 890613 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I wish to examine your gopherhole (nmiaow), can you recommend a client? < 1354936091 95823 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :greyooze: What operating system? < 1354936272 697290 :greyooze!~GK@dab-bas1-h-1-5.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1354936293 907382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone should recommend an isp instead. < 1354936297 746313 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep. MEMORY_MANAGEMENT bluescreen... I think I'm going to need to run some memtest tonight >_< < 1354936400 342201 :TheSmooze!codu@codu.org NICK :Gregor < 1354936415 231100 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Starting today, we're no longer accepting new sign-ups for the free version of Google Apps (the version you're currently using).” < 1354936440 352480 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takin' all bets on how much time there is between that and “Starting next month, we're canceling all free memberships. You can upgrade for the low low price of money!” < 1354936587 969277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok the world ends in two weeks anyway < 1354936595 305203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides under rock < 1354936922 103469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t select < 1354936923 374142 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `select' < 1354936923 513155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `reflect' (imported from Control.Monad.Logic) < 1354936930 194615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle select < 1354936930 669071 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.Selection module Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.Selection < 1354936930 747556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.Selection Select :: RenderMode < 1354936930 821133 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Html select :: Html -> Html < 1354936965 881583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm must be a privately defined function < 1354937128 572137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: nice. < 1354937875 739177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google gotta get paid < 1354937914 361480 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354937930 240774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: welcome back!!!!!! < 1354937982 495397 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is love < 1354937982 668332 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1354937998 453258 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354938081 381938 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Radixal!!!! isn't quite what I'd hoped. I was hoping for something similar to MISC, but with an absurdly awkward encoding. < 1354938234 118031 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :misc the oisc? why? < 1354938274 159054 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just fit my imaginings of how this weird-radix language would work. < 1354938296 383409 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Main thing is, I don't see a lot of individual digit manipulation, which would have all the deliciously weird effects we want. < 1354938330 94096 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs moar intercal operators < 1354938633 514032 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kinda not of the esolang design of “pile every weird feature together and see what happens” X-D < 1354938648 662852 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer “choose a few particularly weird features and make everything else relatively straightforward” < 1354938673 792590 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i meant the "mingle" operator or whatever it is < 1354938694 699888 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe just have the builtin arithmetic be digit-wise only < 1354939932 318963 :scarf!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1354940108 818117 :nys!~nysnamovo@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: quit < 1354940283 742587 :torwier!~chatzilla@c-98-216-179-211.hsd1.ma.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354940328 674548 :torwier!~chatzilla@c-98-216-179-211.hsd1.ma.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1354940452 574058 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that 10.5 / 7 is 1.5? < 1354940454 177596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda weird < 1354940529 254131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't following. < 1354940685 312398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all < 1354940710 820655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know 105/70 is also 1.5? < 1354940733 25101 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure you didn't check that it was right shachaf < 1354940807 72474 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: did you know that 0.01 + 0.001 + 0.0002 + 0.00003 + 0.000005 + 0.0000008 + 0.00000013 + ... (fibonacci numbers, shifted one digit to the right every time) is *exactly* equal to 1/89? < 1354940825 811190 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I mean the limit is 1/89 if you take an infinity of numbers < 1354940840 129627 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find that amazing < 1354940853 112448 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :among other things it means that it will repeat after some time < 1354940945 631222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum(F_n/10^n)/10, hm... < 1354941000 592690 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a good time proving it; if I recall correctly the 89 comes as 10^2-10-1 or something < 1354941071 992334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems about right < 1354941112 145324 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why of the reasons why 89 is my favourite number < 1354941124 645327 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one* < 1354941377 822037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: woah < 1354941387 820363 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW RIGHT < 1354941415 628335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a closed form for fibonacci numbers < 1354941433 310748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 89 should only be your favorite number if you think 10 is important. < 1354941436 124733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 10 is the devil. < 1354941440 451086 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, why wouldn't there be? < 1354941453 818539 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I know there was something wrong with that < 1354941462 309356 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it works with some other bases too < 1354941478 249962 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember wondering the same thing back in high school when I first discovered that < 1354941501 895057 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, it's not the only reason why 89 is my favourite number; others involve the year 1989 < 1354941502 635228 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :b^2-b-1 should work similarly, i should think < 1354941520 870118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant "so, there's a closed form for fibnacci numbers, that should help in proving it" < 1354941529 320262 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry < 1354941554 302515 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=sum(F_n%2F2%5En)%2F2 and apparently it does work. < 1354941688 81065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(100-10-1)*F_1/100 + (100-10-1)*F_2/1000 + (100-10-1)*F_3/10000 + ... = 1 - F_2/1000 + (100-10-1)*F_3/10000 + ... < 1354941720 145295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because F_1 = F_2 = 1 < 1354941745 806406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wait < 1354941821 210255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :silly those have the same sign, don't cancel < 1354941835 359856 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1354941871 292689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi quintopia < 1354941898 97060 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other interesting properties I remember, sum(F_k up to k = n+2) = F(n+2) + 1 < 1354941900 921742 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1354941911 835664 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric := F_n + 1, I mean < 1354941919 253842 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably do it with the generating function < 1354941952 365609 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had made a program to display the sequence on my calculator and it should also display the sum < 1354941987 677122 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and at some point I noticed it and thought "wait, is that really the sum? is that a bug?" < 1354942021 32140 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it possible to permanently trcik steam into thinking i'm in russia? know any good russia proxy? < 1354942099 725987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fib = fix((0:).scanl(+)1) in fib < 1354942101 494158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,1,2,3,5,8,13,21,34,55,89,144,233,377,610,987,1597,2584,4181,6765,10946... < 1354942116 517630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let fib = fix((0:).scanl(+)1) in scanl1(+)fib < 1354942118 191101 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,2,4,7,12,20,33,54,88,143,232,376,609,986,1596,2583,4180,6764,10945,177... < 1354942154 208331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hah, that's a nice way of looking at it. < 1354942155 265798 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like - 1 to me < 1354942256 114079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the true fibonacci sequence starts with 1 1 < 1354942257 856481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not 0 1 < 1354942297 371235 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no true fibonacci sequence < 1354942308 952871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i consider F_0 = 0 to be an important term in the sequence < 1354942323 181077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the function < 1354942328 604695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it's F_0 = 1 F_1 = (sqrt(5)+1)/2 < 1354942329 696554 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, especially when computing the sum < 1354942355 230075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1354942380 69663 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, can you tell me whether n(n+1)/2 is sum(k, k=1..n) or sum(k, k=0..n)? I can never remember that < 1354942401 140026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Arc_Koen -----### < 1354942476 785695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we calculated here on the channel once that gcd(F_m, F_n) = F_gcd(m,n) < 1354942510 903103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to put F_0 = 0 for that < 1354942580 849505 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix(scanl(+)1) < 1354942582 376519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,... < 1354942610 735903 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sequence looks familiar < 1354942619 548348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :eerily < 1354942623 156568 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna try to spend the next two hours sleeping < 1354942635 839781 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1354942643 412336 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1354942660 855151 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Comment on appelle un mec qui pilote un avion ? < 1354942730 252791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanl(+)1[1,1,2,3,5] < 1354942731 787002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,5,8,13] < 1354943156 832513 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354943789 592539 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1354945411 31865 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354945419 720046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354945420 61027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354945420 812638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354945421 572639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354945428 742535 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :582) An 'ad hobbitem' fallacy is when you try to undermine someone's credibility by referring to how hairy his/her feets are. < 1354945430 507128 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :141) Vonlebio: well, i'm only back in denmark because my work visa expired. please insert token to continue. < 1354945455 553189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :227) who is guido van rossum you could say he's a man who grew a beard but acquired none of the associated good properties < 1354945456 229143 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :83) Making a small shrine to Lawlabee in my basement is something I should get around to at some point. < 1354945459 309270 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :795) < oklopol> oh god another crazy haskell understander < oklopol> i have to leave < 1354945493 863444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :795? 141? 83? < 1354945500 624164 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, 795 is about me < 1354945507 337108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi coppro < 1354945512 67132 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :141 is great. 83 is meh < 1354945512 477556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a crazy Haskell understander? < 1354945520 198556 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was at the time maybe < 1354946324 586225 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 83 < 1354946326 728868 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354946327 346780 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354946329 518867 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Making a small shrine to Lawlabee in my basement is something I should get around to at some point. < 1354946330 102821 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :243) lol @ closed character set standard "What does this codepoint represent?" "Nobody knows." < 1354946348 942693 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :448) beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck < 1354946381 662713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354946381 932061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354946382 119820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354946387 497629 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :476) software patents strike again that's got to be at least three times, now are they out yet? < 1354946403 990499 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :335) two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django < 1354946407 176601 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :666) why not just give the gays their own state so people could finally pray in peace < 1354947373 747010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1354947739 322284 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354947742 671077 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :366) I used to be more irritated by alcohol Sgeo: you're not supposed to put it in your eyes < 1354948049 761790 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django < 1354948052 808936 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 324) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 325) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something < 1354948124 56980 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :django is sort of this black hole of the quotiverse, sucking everything in to a singularity about one quote < 1354948701 30448 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 352 < 1354948704 322867 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Sgeo: also do you know how to write a parser monqy, how hard could it be? < 1354948709 74462 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 325 < 1354948712 445304 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one thankfully only two < 1354948730 494135 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1354948732 699351 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`undo < 1354948735 449465 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: undo: not found < 1354948741 250626 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1354948741 484787 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1354948744 510073 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1354948747 416507 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1354948753 231461 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 352 < 1354948754 140500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's :0? < 1354948759 715813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :352) I hope type inference isn't difficult < 1354948759 872987 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-0 < 1354948763 419991 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1354948764 232927 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :... crap < 1354948768 84208 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 352 < 1354948771 661423 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :352) I hope type inference isn't difficult < 1354948780 615688 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django < 1354948784 215242 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 324) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 325) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something < 1354948789 671914 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 325 < 1354948794 708077 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one thankfully only two < 1354948805 473700 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you know what? < 1354948807 190042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You grew a nose? < 1354948807 716386 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :352 sucked anyway < 1354948813 330689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::--0 < 1354948818 54126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::⿐0 < 1354948830 842584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-: < 1354948839 697691 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1354948842 847966 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :610) I'd insult you behind your back, but I don't care which side of your back I insult you on. < 1354948850 415448 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bedtime < 1354948853 613643 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bedtime: not found < 1354948901 556999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you learn lens yet < 1354948912 656964 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1354948919 717117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :: < 1354949438 191970 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :> < 1354949528 59682 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354950046 353813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I made the "stretcher" command in Csound, and I like the effects it make! < 1354950109 397283 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :// ares stretcher ain, idelay, xduty, [kfeedback], [kscanspeed] == Rapid stretch and unstretch the signal < 1354950116 127483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1354950161 697924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1354950278 37674 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354950377 988216 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354950587 541514 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm telling you. < 1354950593 356263 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 目鼻口 < 1354950653 994158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :O 鼻! < 1354952900 352005 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354952982 965403 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354953025 791822 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354955039 301482 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: dead < 1354955832 155035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354956811 975179 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354958261 1705 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354960614 26449 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1354960988 663883 :Zerker!~zerker@cpe-24-24-168-181.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354961075 882043 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354961383 594491 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyenosemouth < 1354962421 965966 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354964328 883444 :Zerker!~zerker@cpe-24-24-168-181.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1354965583 923494 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If BB is the busy beaver function, is there an n such that, if BB(n) were known, it could be used to solve the halting problem? < 1354965712 571116 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354967497 13285 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354968701 594117 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1354969170 322048 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354969206 279835 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1354969206 391159 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1354969206 391298 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1354969217 261274 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because my project has some security issues doesn't mean I need to allow XSS as well < 1354971300 624258 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354971588 170303 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354972302 965336 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1354972701 105317 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354973045 30210 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1354973209 553185 :cokel!~Ameeelz@39.199.157.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354973280 469735 :cokel!~Ameeelz@39.199.157.85 QUIT :Client Quit < 1354974917 114065 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1354975079 528999 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354977070 235071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354977173 432115 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, any reply to the complainant? < 1354977180 695828 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from, rather. < 1354977210 196499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaik < 1354977223 936362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1354977260 88218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the proper term is 'complainer' < 1354977268 529225 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows < 1354977317 159086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's the correct term in scots law < 1354978210 129397 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Python, Fuck PubNub, Fuck the idiot called "Sgeo" who apparently doesn't know how to program without millions of global variables < 1354978283 358441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered getting professional help for your habit of randomly ejaculating your opinions on languages into the channel < 1354978285 376929 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_, does Sgeo know how to get a slice of an array in Haskell? < 1354978331 826044 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's something I can google.. < 1354978389 36561 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PubNub is not a language. I am also not a language. < 1354978455 29681 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pubnub just sounds like some sort of euphemism < 1354980544 78948 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION fucks Sgeo|web_ < 1354980657 42172 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1354980893 386731 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome carado < 1354980905 274030 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :carado: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1354980928 731292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is carado related to corrado i wonder < 1354981033 348255 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1354981055 608653 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1354981082 855993 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PART :#esoteric < 1354981228 782114 :hellok!warptencq@123.123.105.203 QUIT : < 1354981542 236309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think carado is correlated with corrado. < 1354981603 583200 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrado ? i have no idea what thas is. < 1354981805 871035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :corrado bohm is a guy < 1354981970 464098 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. what do he do ? < 1354981995 711957 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354982035 395450 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something recreational to do while I relax my mind from programming for maybe half an hour < 1354982058 805295 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1354982071 706913 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still feel like a shitty programmer. I can't blame the language for my globals abuse, the way I do with LS < 1354982072 959610 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LSL < 1354982185 595861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lsl really your main programming experience < 1354982294 984702 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1354982341 951953 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of the significant ones < 1354982363 113323 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the only significant one though < 1354982681 617319 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354982991 782762 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 There is a local company called AIS Gas. Thought you should know. < 1354982992 39737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354983002 931118 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1354983021 873767 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 what does the i in your name stand for < 1354983022 29984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1354983048 473988 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imogen < 1354983106 695563 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! < 1354983232 952598 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(joke: I actually don't know) < 1354983249 678820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do i < 1354983261 960417 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iambic? < 1354983269 415429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we could do that birmingham #esoteric meetup and i could threaten him < 1354983325 520312 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is one of the few channels I would consider meeting people from. The crazy population seems quite low here < 1354983337 362561 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or, at least, we are all crazy in a good way) < 1354983370 652140 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe i is for ichneumon O_O < 1354983390 217313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the crazies have been quiet lately < 1354983412 838181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought 'ian' first, but he said it wasn't and iirc he gave no comment on 'ivan' < 1354983484 522701 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idocrase < 1354983556 337036 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imaginative, that is quite appropriate < 1354983564 839096 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :iconoclast? < 1354983578 675765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be quite the irony, after all < 1354983653 989185 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps he won't come to a meetup on account of being 4immiscible < 1354983696 940194 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the I stands for I < 1354983735 389903 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's I all the way down < 1354983745 722047 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the a stands for a. < 1354983783 616198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, we know it stands for alex < 1354983798 148824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 'ivanovich'? < 1354983874 377189 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alex A. Aleksyich < 1354984004 452513 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :icosahedron < 1354984130 414278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys help I have an email in my inbox with the subject "Esolang e-mail from user "Star651"" < 1354984135 620721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should I open it < 1354984137 666656 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1354984141 360919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you should < 1354984145 452400 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why shouldn't you < 1354984165 505588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: his languages are too innovative < 1354984168 964923 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not going to explode < 1354984176 261474 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emailbomb < 1354984177 441434 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you know, it might be an e-mailbomb < 1354984179 271956 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "too innovative" in what sense < 1354984180 162078 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, Phantom_Hoover < 1354984182 113709 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :emaillang < 1354984185 948575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: in... well have you seen them < 1354984192 291016 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes < 1354984217 553061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :open! < 1354984225 395323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I preemptively blame whoever 86.146.80.103 is < 1354984243 302118 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many non-deterministic esolangs are there? < 1354984271 468920 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Nondeterministic http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Probabilistic count 'em < 1354984276 930256 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does C++ count < 1354984291 861496 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not many < 1354984304 893887 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: C++ isn't esoteric < 1354984315 196724 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354984341 27612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this email confuses me < 1354984347 711136 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...just confusing < 1354984358 573409 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is the most esoteric < 1354984402 105455 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether APL would qualify for an article on the wiki < 1354984438 976327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1354984443 671120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a brief mention < 1354984453 632496 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL makes more sense to me than C++ some days... < 1354984483 759463 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apl mainly just has ultra-terse syntax, it's only viewed as 'esoteric' because of that law kmc so loves to mention < 1354984489 562027 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's certainly an experiment in a seldom-used direction < 1354984495 35095 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL has been successfully used by *managers*, it can't be that esoteric :o) < 1354984515 954953 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, which law? < 1354984526 862735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1354984530 199451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :walders < 1354984539 731003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :waddlers? < 1354984546 993103 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wadlers, that's it < 1354984560 343398 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Haskell < 1354984569 505797 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy, an uncyclopedia article < 1354984572 228781 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there's also "Walder coined "Walder's Law" which stated that the first speaker at any 1922 Committee meeting was insane." < 1354984588 50336 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1354984598 232965 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if APL was invented by the first speaker of a 1922 committee meeting < 1354984603 704715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think APL's unusual feature is its terse syntax you don't know much about APL < 1354984617 487729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i didn't say 'unusual' < 1354984712 158472 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1354984733 476397 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL is perler than perl < 1354984820 93361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But being unusual alone doesn't make a language esoteric; Haskell and Lisp aren't really esoteric. < 1354984874 664404 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you put a million monkeys at a million keyboards, one of them will eventually write a valid C++ program. The rest will write valid Perl and TECO programs. < 1354984894 896073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you put them at APL keyboards? < 1354984958 447918 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We couldn't get funding for a million APL keyboards :-( < 1354984978 72889 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a million monkeys at a million apl keyboards, and each of them will write some version of Windows < 1354985026 594734 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354985043 428675 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there such a thing as an invalid TECO program? < 1354985076 931498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see an article about sed, dc and m4 being worthwhile. < 1354985225 351714 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Ursala, though it claims to be a non-esoteric language < 1354985227 908165 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354985244 981747 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I don't think so? Not 100% sure < 1354985291 203893 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1354985300 802362 :Nisstyre_!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre NICK :Nisstyre < 1354985685 762697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, so what did he have to say < 1354985693 371259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still confused < 1354985695 96307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i love ursala < 1354985698 207698 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1354985777 83334 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the crazy functional language written by a bank manager or something < 1354985808 193 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Ursala was a disney character < 1354985836 236783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's ursula < 1354985849 445937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/gueststar/Ursala/blob/master/contrib/sudoku.fun < 1354985888 698105 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur-salad < 1354985896 620881 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to write code that goes "~&al?\~&ar ~&aa^&~&afahPRPfafatPJPRY+ ~&farlthlriNCSPDPDrlCS2DlrTS2J" and know what it does < 1354985913 383969 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look like it involves bears < 1354985995 99348 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure that isn't just embedded Malbolge or something? < 1354986077 395619 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354986089 47188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems to come with a thing to make it comprehensible < 1354986224 15902 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has written code like 0!0@8r0@10r^0@19r+10r1%xMp0 before < 1354986226 514279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, are you sure the garbled strings aren't bytecode < 1354986262 247172 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pointer expressions such as ̃&nSiiDPSLrlXS from Listing 1.2, are a [shorthand] for a great variety of frequently occurring patterns." < 1354986285 566408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1354986290 51451 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most obscure thing I've written is probably gen =: * @: (=&3@:] + =&3@:-~) +/^:2 @: (offsets & |.) < 1354986316 484129 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't all that bad :( < 1354986327 78892 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, who was the last poor bastard trying to do an eodermdrome interpreter < 1354986334 711523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy knows a fair amount of ursala < 1354986339 876396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bike < 1354986352 681745 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shorthand" < 1354986366 695880 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The code I posted just now is ibniz :D < 1354986368 140246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he get anywhere < 1354986422 865300 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a stack-based language where all opcodes are one character ( number constants are up to 9 characters though, eg FFFF.FFFF ) < 1354986775 605563 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-1-2.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1354987019 289202 :Zerker!~zerker@cpe-24-24-168-181.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1354987613 768027 :Zerker!~zerker@cpe-24-24-168-181.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1354987676 964622 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354988024 634944 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1354989025 533114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oi oerjan (future oerjan) < 1354989040 175181 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your bct program's subgraphs aren't encoded correctly < 1354989073 101442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait they are i'm just reading the wrong way < 1354989296 859550 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1354989330 248854 :sirdancealot7!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1354990533 163751 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1354990630 960605 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1354990728 437266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://lens.github.com/ < 1354990861 725468 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lenses remind me of ursala's pointer expressions < 1354990945 604448 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354991071 35542 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1354991072 270239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: woah, nice < 1354991100 464908 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this was easier in Python < 1354991188 979932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you put this together shachaf ? < 1354991197 355454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, edwardk did. < 1354991226 991659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1354991231 435722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were working on lens docs, though, right? < 1354991299 819365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit. < 1354991309 167239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :More on the code than the documentation. < 1354991359 411908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is meaning to write some sort of introduction but hasn't gotten to it yet. < 1354991376 248749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should go to edwardk's talk talk in NYC! < 1354991382 25436 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a bit far. < 1354991601 637171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether he'll talk about prisms. < 1354991614 844064 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354991869 940766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are prisms? < 1354991881 315098 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1354991903 210575 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extrusions of a plane in a perpendicular dimension < 1354991924 376858 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prisms are colenses. < 1354991936 111486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prisms : sums = lenses : products. < 1354991946 587528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: first-class patterns < 1354991952 136914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isomorphisms that are partial in one direction < 1354991960 604268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That too. < 1354991993 207724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lens s t a b = (s -> a, (s, b) -> t) < 1354991994 222089 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like either? < 1354992005 635681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: like "left" or "right" < 1354992006 524713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prism s t a b = (b -> t, s -> Either t a) < 1354992012 715761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "just" < 1354992022 387490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stab < 1354992022 465371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty strippingPrefix < 1354992023 749972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `strippingPrefix' < 1354992023 823578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `stripPrefix' (imported from Data.List) < 1354992032 747086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type Data.List.Lens.strippingPrefix < 1354992033 963613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eq a, Applicative f, Prismatic k) => [a] -> k ([a] -> f [a]) ([a] -> f [a]) < 1354992040 7297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good type signature < 1354992041 163080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty view < 1354992042 469742 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadReader s m => Getting a s t a b -> m a < 1354992053 908942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting a stab????? < 1354992082 173198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so s=t, a=b is a simple useful case right < 1354992085 159912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so let me think about that first < 1354992129 756558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> s, s -> Either s a) < 1354992145 128842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that can you can just think of it as (a -> s, s -> Maybe a) < 1354992150 762695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's what i suspected < 1354992169 430470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: _just :: Prism (Maybe a) (Maybe b) a b :: (b -> Maybe b, a -> Either (Maybe b) a) < 1354992175 173684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the more general case, what do you return when the match "fails"? < 1354992179 341037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The Either is just a trick to make sure you can set s=t) < 1354992185 391359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Left. The two things you can do with Left is match on it (that's s -> Maybe a) and construct (Left x) from (x) (that's a -> s). < 1354992188 404298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the laws to hold for any lenslike you need to be able to set s=t, a=b) < 1354992207 282327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. putting the same type back in as you got out) < 1354992218 861541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also my signature was wrong. < 1354992238 858967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can think of _left as (a -> Either a b, Either a b -> Maybe a) < 1354992252 850122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's actually (a' -> Either a' b, Either a b -> Either (Either a' b) a) < 1354992271 658747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1354992273 514221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously if it's actually a Right, you can set the first type parameter to anything) < 1354992277 737608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so you can change the type < 1354992296 92638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo a = Foo { bar :: [a] } -- you can make a proper lens for bar in lens but not other lens libraries < 1354992302 204336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :_bar :: Lens (Foo a) (Foo b) [a] [b] < 1354992311 511404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that's not relevant to the core idea of prisms.) < 1354992317 908000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i get that < 1354992324 346092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just the same thing for prisms < 1354992328 21682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1354992363 363765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: basically you can make a lens for each element of a product < 1354992366 592577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. each field of a record) < 1354992371 52011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a prism for each alternative of a sum < 1354992375 951127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. Left/Right) < 1354992425 486798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could use _left to write a function of type (Either Int Bool) -> (Either String Bool) which applies 'show' to Left values and leaves Right values alone < 1354992436 73028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1354992439 662645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :over _left show < 1354992444 220665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or _left %~ show < 1354992457 271308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :out of curiosity how many infix operators does this library define < 1354992459 870051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 < 1354992461 924259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot < 1354992466 258265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exactly 99 < 1354992467 424522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most of them follow a common pattern < 1354992480 184005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like foo +~ bar is foo %~ (+bar) < 1354992484 602005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can mix these prisms with other lenses too < 1354992492 490472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partial lens -> Prism < 1354992494 123358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : v v < 1354992495 767146 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of them are for arithmetic < 1354992495 840146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Lens -> Iso < 1354992512 940050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can do _left._1 %~ show < 1354992532 484847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look at my fancy commutative diagram! < 1354992532 719307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which applies "show" to the first element of the tuple in a "Left" and leaves "Right _" unchanged < 1354992537 716963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _left._1 %~ show < 1354992538 855599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Show a, Field1 a1 b a String) => Either a1 c -> Either b c < 1354992544 919930 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1354992549 368218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Show a) => Either (a,b) c -> Either (String,b) c < 1354992558 640228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo the typeclasses for tuples of arbitrary (up to 9) size < 1354992561 496778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1354992563 214290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arbitrary, n. <= 9 < 1354992564 200767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another one that goes Lens -> {PartialLens, NonEmptyTraversal} -> Traversal < 1354992582 821479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can also do < 1354992586 200370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 123 ^. remit _left < 1354992587 795714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left 123 < 1354992590 114314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is not very exciting on its own of course < 1354992600 71310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the (a' -> Either a' b) part < 1354992616 279854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "prefix" ^. strippingPrefix "pre" < 1354992617 700464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `strippingPrefix' < 1354992617 778438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `stripPrefix' (imported ... < 1354992621 738046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "prefix" ^. Data.List.Lens.strippingPrefix "pre" < 1354992623 181289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `Data.List.Lens.strippingPrefix' < 1354992627 861536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1354992636 636162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Unsafe.Coerce.unsafeCoerce "hi" < 1354992638 58025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `Unsafe.Coerce.unsafeCoerce' < 1354992665 326730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Left (1,2), Right ()) & both._left._1 %~ show < 1354992667 401421 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Left ("1",2),Right ()) < 1354992673 846497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Left (1,2), Left (3,"x")) & both._left._1 %~ show < 1354992675 289320 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num [GHC.Types.Char]) < 1354992675 367131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal ... < 1354992677 512340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, right < 1354992679 851155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (Left (1,2), Left (3,4)) & both._left._1 %~ show < 1354992681 715343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Left ("1",2),Left ("3",4)) < 1354992683 887752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would need type signatures for that < 1354992709 64856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Type signatures? < 1354992721 759818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the forall < 1354992754 703054 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MSPA is back up < 1354992843 647087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's "remit" do? < 1354992860 799820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, prism is (b -> t, s -> Either t a) < 1354992865 180913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remit gives you the (b -> t) part as a Getter < 1354992898 896935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so _left is (Left, \x -> case x of Left a -> Right a; Right a -> Right a) (the use of Either makes this confusing...) < 1354992903 271233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remit _left = to Left < 1354992942 117616 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :99 operators but a switch ain't one < 1354992963 47738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can imagine view patterns working with prisms also < 1354992976 860565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo (_left -> x) = ... < 1354992993 830764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even a language where all pattern-matching is based on prisms -- i.e. instead of "Left" being a constructor, it would be a prism: < 1354992999 551882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo (Left x) = ... < 1354993000 281057 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (xor) <$> [0..15] <*> [0..15] < 1354993001 659266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,1,0,3,2,5,4,7,6,9,8,11,10,13,12,15,1... < 1354993010 594961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem is that they can only view single values -- it separates sums and products < 1354993017 393857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. if you have data Foo a b = Foo a b | ... < 1354993021 646213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the prism has to view (a,b) or whatever instead < 1354993027 521039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can use partial lenses to view sums of products. < 1354993029 120102 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I reeeally took a liking to Control.Applicative once I got introduced to it < 1354993033 188219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They work fine, you just can't reconstruct from them. < 1354993036 873269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah < 1354993079 64829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The worst part about PartialLens is that it would require a mempty-only version of Monoid to do "properly". < 1354993100 684680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that class called Default or something? < 1354993118 937273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "meaningless" :( < 1354993122 13441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Default m => Pointed (Const m) where ... < 1354993127 537506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1354993436 774694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can partial lenses be so great while Pointed is so terrible? < 1354993440 422980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it don't add up < 1354993544 852981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw I think the pointed package has that instance < 1354993565 786280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it does. < 1354993892 499049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/acme-comonad < 1354994130 855097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1354995687 357520 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nice package indeed < 1354996695 869864 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-farhzzcxwfulwaoq JOIN :#esoteric < 1354996836 69146 :iamcal!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxvoyxpxizfozlpx QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1354996850 71995 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-farhzzcxwfulwaoq NICK :iamcal < 1354998373 421360 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“I am the princess of the night. Thus it is my duty to come into your dreams.” Creeeeepy < 1354999269 386528 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1355000114 752829 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355000145 340911 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355000503 378128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355000556 785789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The units of measurement for DVI is specified in the header in decimicrons, as a fraction. For some reason, the number TeX puts there is not in lowest terms. Do you know why? < 1355001180 784919 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :microns? Seriously? < 1355001180 940994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355001191 955517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1355001192 33569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 19h 45m 29s ago: hi was just talking about you today!! < 1355001198 763200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? < 1355001215 912481 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott oh? < 1355001216 68641 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355001223 8419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1355001253 803536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Actually, decimicrons. < 1355001286 645681 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is one tenth of one micron. And it is fraction of decimicrons so it can be smaller than that. < 1355001320 188124 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why not call it micrometre which is the official name of that unit < 1355001337 205798 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway that precision is quite extreme < 1355001476 456555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A micron is the same as a micrometre, but this is a decimicron. < 1355001519 342886 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a decimicrometre < 1355001522 70013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355001561 921765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TeX units are smaller, specifically 1/4736286.72 inch. < 1355001640 401464 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Haskell typesetting library I made, uses the same units as TeX by default, but they are in lowest terms. < 1355001649 444717 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, and what is that in metric? < 1355001675 26552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think 1 inch = 2.54 cm < 1355001701 530677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 5.36 nm < 1355001736 302524 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. "hey, you can google that!" < 1355001771 211197 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, that also brings up three earlier conversations in #esoteric mentioning this number < 1355001860 213074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a weird. Our washing machine just... decided not to stop. The program select-o-tron went at least once if not twice through the "STOP" position, and it spent something like over three hours doing... something. < 1355001998 131531 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someone tried to spin it backwards and broke the whole thing < 1355002015 514352 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program wheel, that is < 1355002045 807458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone did. I certainly didn't. < 1355002060 696583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1355002060 938120 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355002084 738774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When we stopped it and told it to run a "spin only" program, it did that and stopped normally. < 1355002095 159879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So perhaps it was a transient failure. But it's still kind of weird. < 1355002229 826108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also just a bit over 8 years old, and it coincidentally came with an 8-year optional extended warranty (that we didn't take). < 1355002440 992368 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1355002528 721377 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355002687 370324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355002762 827202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh < 1355002846 740108 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1355002864 512848 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355003049 601686 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355003064 901323 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355003077 860500 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355003115 372202 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I miss the revelation of what the i in ais523 stands for? < 1355003144 590439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly, did i? < 1355003196 995474 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I SUPPOSE I could check the logs < 1355003206 485919 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, why are you more important than me?! < 1355003236 228745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've waited < 1355003237 841476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for years < 1355003242 748476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :years < 1355003260 789117 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, aren't you a few months younger than me? < 1355003274 188397 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as far as i know < 1355003280 630100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1355003280 800025 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355003287 512742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably you're 18 by now < 1355003289 462031 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :November 84 < 1355003290 237721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought Taneb was younger than me or something < 1355003292 952460 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*94 < 1355003315 203448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal hi < 1355003315 359735 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355003601 231336 :greyooze!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355003613 736813 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, was there any actual reason for asking that < 1355003621 301000 :greyooze!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: get out, I am the superior clone! < 1355003633 436504 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1355003641 591674 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: sadface < 1355003645 620703 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes < 1355003647 785768 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every reason < 1355003655 243897 :greyooze!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1355003688 72034 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :any specific ones? < 1355003716 210516 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1355003716 331379 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, you don't understand < 1355003718 425951 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY reason < 1355003732 663855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :washing machine or... time machine?!? < 1355003740 979290 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both! < 1355003749 680821 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever wondered where the missing socks disappear to?! < 1355003761 875327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the clothes inside experienced several weeks of time as they bounced back and forth between the beginning and end of the cycle < 1355003780 269029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok please write a film called washing machine or time machine < 1355003782 965040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would watch it < 1355003784 579180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1355003800 650219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: instead you should watch primer < 1355003826 642656 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Detention is a good film < 1355003850 704215 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Involving time travel < 1355003852 966470 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there's always Hot Tub Time Machine < 1355003854 318772 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bad film otherwise < 1355003884 845447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hot tub washing machine < 1355004055 598788 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: should I learn more Haskell or do something else? < 1355004056 121418 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: http://esolangs.org/ wiki/ rail < 1355004091 851409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1355004092 297209 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: could you add these too? < 1355004120 833124 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1355004121 260319 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's fnord errr < 1355004126 493379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1355004126 851125 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1355004135 963398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style qwantz < 1355004136 312190 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: qwantz (Dinosaur Comics transcriptions 2003-2011) < 1355004138 720427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1355004139 344624 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: people in car car simulator trucko boat 3. < 1355004145 602472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1355004146 513834 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have i, perhaps, a hint! i bet it'll all come flooding, then i'll certainly be blue, or yellow! the orange one", " kinda weird hugs. it would be fun, eh? it's the problem with island gigantism: as soon as i realized it i get really cheezed < 1355004149 44347 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty interesting fungot, thanks! Even if your URL formatting does suck. < 1355004149 623359 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: a book by t-rex, ps, i was purple the entire time, t-rex, i think i've figured you out, my life is not that the cows could understand! < 1355004165 962583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: < 1355004166 695792 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: like, say, a big meteor strikes! good to see you too, morris! how are you today, gertie! i've never been to the bottom of a bottle. i've never had a chance to < 1355004185 508632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: i have < 1355004186 113622 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's so good, dromiceiomimus. i just invented. the point is that i came, i'd have to throw away a good chunk of it for the days i've already lived. < 1355004209 501674 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, I've been to the bottom of a bottle... of milk! < 1355004209 999378 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: to to me, but you'd be spoiling ( in small text) crazy utahraptor! < 1355004253 30559 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1355004253 346014 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1355004259 228734 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1355004260 393763 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: mr. washington matthews says, in ( boston journal :) natural history,' vol. ii. 1869, p. 139. on groups :) species,' in/ ( atti della soc. dei naturalisti,' 1867, p. 269), from/ rock-pigeon, or columba livia " including under this term several geographical races can be formed. < 1355004267 793302 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was not good < 1355004298 151363 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1355004298 600684 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1355004313 888415 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Y fungot) < 1355004314 282576 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: it's what that guy in medina, a village near the mystic mountain" 65,000,000 b. c.? yes, i'd have done something very brave? fnord 06:22, 29, no. 2, 2, 3, 4, 8, 13, 1(::**) ...bad insn! < 1355004327 995937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ♥ columba livia < 1355004328 425341 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: more simply put: siod sucks as a general purpose ( similar, and i'd like to see that mystical forest powers, but this time on the impact of the introduction to theoretical computer, fnord of the fnord here is one that only takes predicates and has not named a < 1355004344 299915 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnord of the fnord < 1355004353 306117 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just your average fnord < 1355004375 369513 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darwin and the smileys: will it never be fixed? < 1355004385 41636 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :full disclosure: I made a typo in that post at first, but luckily I also failed to press the enter button properly. So I had a chance to edit it after all. < 1355004439 431216 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1355004439 742631 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1355004440 828673 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1355004441 146140 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1355004444 345367 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1355004542 821679 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how would one go about contributing to the styles list? I should like to make an RnRS style, if people would be amused by such. < 1355004553 39229 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will handily distract me from doing something useful < 1355004612 292305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, iirc fizzie runs some arcane perl script on a massive cluster at his work place to generate it or something, < 1355004612 448425 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355004616 660309 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1355004616 789237 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 21m 42s ago: hi < 1355004634 396261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Hi, how are you today? < 1355004634 522913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355004705 342025 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style sms < 1355004705 587169 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: sms (National University of Singapore SMS corpus, 2011-08-20) < 1355004723 183839 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: speak your mind < 1355004723 921016 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: me to ghar se h0kar 6 bje tk wapas ajana n lucky bhai ko b uthana paka n btata hu puri bt she didnt mind. he gv lv lttrs, bt her frnds threw me into a game to play, in the car haha. i'm at lvl. < 1355004751 963666 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style nethack < 1355004752 378190 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: nethack (NetHack 3.4.3 data.base, rumors.tru, rumors.fal) < 1355004755 177312 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: speak your mind < 1355004755 348597 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: they say that an axe named cleaver once belonged to a philosophy of the alignment system,... < 1355004793 64185 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Please accept this donation < 1355004793 405495 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: they say that if you teleport to heaven is just a trick: once you know they sell kind of great dark worm, but snow white grew, it grants the one who sucks the blood of men whose very souls were under siege; men to whom death meant not mere extinction, but you can only hear your heartbeat. < 1355004815 277544 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my < 1355004844 139376 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-146-166-53.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355005003 475388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: It's kind of documented at http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/varikn/readme.txt but I've kind of accepted the contributions in the format of the results of step 1, i.e. one-line-per-example-of-a-thing-for-fungot-to-say text files. < 1355005003 852744 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ever tamed a shopkeeper? i wanted to think so, to have impersonated at various times a mare, flea, fly, falcon, by michael moorcock) < 1355005121 178330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to have a program for it, but I've never released it anywhere, and most of the styles are done with VariKN now. < 1355005138 679147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that 'irc' and the other "old ones" aren't. < 1355005146 708004 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-49-9.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355005177 401778 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355005355 741984 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-8.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355005884 735959 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-1-8.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355005898 989297 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355007267 158988 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1355007283 113784 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355007931 7948 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355008077 117837 :greyooze!~GK@82.132.139.94 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355008126 545526 :greyooze!~GK@82.132.139.94 NICK :GreyKnight < 1355008466 41876 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1355008605 379787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Past) Phantom_Hoover: Whew! < 1355008634 511813 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time travel? < 1355008642 781976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Welcome to America! < 1355008642 943545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355008677 323068 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355008852 795712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 352 sucked anyway <-- i'm wondering if the quote database survived last night < 1355008913 376703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote e < 1355008918 818086 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) EgoBot just opened a chat session with me to say "bork bork bork" \ 2) Hmmm... My fingers and tongue seem to be as quick as ever, but my lips have definitely weakened... More practice is in order. \ 3) that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop \ 4) GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them. < 1355008936 133381 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait were people deleting quotes without me. < 1355008941 54479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ^[^e]*$ < 1355008943 389322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have you all hanged < 1355008945 11129 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :56) hmm, this is hard \ 73) Ah, vulva. What is that, anyway? \ 98) Hooray! I'm an idiot. \ 310) 3 = 7/2 \ 555) lol :( \ 606) COCKS [...] truly cocks < 1355008958 137095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it certainly looked messy < 1355008989 437079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow not containing e improves 73 immensely < 1355008992 633010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1355008996 40766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro deleted all the good django quotes < 1355008996 970534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1355008999 351234 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1355009006 503660 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote django < 1355009009 706925 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 324) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 334) two quotes about quotes about django I guess the worst part is that I appear in all three hackego quotes about django < 1355009014 670942 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 949 < 1355009017 468032 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355009059 83235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have restored universal order & hth. < 1355009081 690989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1355009084 65310 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote GreyKnight < 1355009087 457068 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :856) fungot, sing me to sleep GreyKnight: 53. file://localhost/ mnt/ space/ media/ books/ 1000+sci-fi%20books/%5bebooks%5d%201000+%20sciencefiction%20%26%20fantasy%20novels%20%28.lit%20forma/ pratchett%2c%20terry/ text/ 14/ fnord This is not a very good song < 1355009099 954433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: these things take time < 1355009105 628415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoying these log sgeo rants < 1355009109 76906 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355009122 126810 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I couldn't remember what it was I got quoted for! < 1355009144 992600 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- secretly a goldfish < 1355009156 646066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:29:04: * FreeFull fucks Sgeo|web_ < 1355009157 662128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1355009167 199759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i think someone made this log up to confuse people < 1355009177 882795 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what log is this < 1355009179 573126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: please use a private channel next time okthxbye < 1355009182 106328 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: He said "fuck sgeo" < 1355009193 330676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's a damn good question < 1355009212 784488 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all my questions are < 1355009228 908409 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull x Sgeo OTP < 1355009249 682287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what log is this, to the tune of greensleeves < 1355009269 167790 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sails the ship < 1355009274 395399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrr < 1355009295 273864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's OTP < 1355009314 400455 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some erlang thing < 1355009367 86982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : If BB is the busy beaver function, is there an n such that, if BB(n) were known, it could be used to solve the halting problem? <-- only for programs of size n, afaik < 1355009389 251558 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One True Pairing < 1355009404 568954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no sgeo here < 1355009433 151506 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :BB(inf) < 1355009467 435050 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355009536 724534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo BB(n) can be used to solve the halting problem for programs of size <= n. i suspect you can make some variation of the usual halting problem proof to show it won't help much above n, similar to how you prove the "banana scheme" hierarchy doesn't collapse < 1355009536 816162 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355009595 517822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Sgeo There are all these other kinds of similar hierarchy theorems in complexity etc., although i don't know this one specifically < 1355009595 678748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355009714 600296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think the proper term is 'complainer' <-- complainteuriste hth < 1355009742 647191 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*complaint tourist < 1355009785 493712 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :complaint tourist, n. someone who travels the Internet looking for things to moan about. < 1355009802 82138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : pubnub just sounds like some sort of euphemism <-- nubile pubes hth < 1355009802 208550 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(...I could give examples) < 1355009803 44119 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or travels to scotland and sues people? < 1355009835 623369 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a useful term, i'm going to go ahead and take it < 1355009955 84679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i demand royalties for derivative work! < 1355009961 764447 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, idk if it's used in civil law < 1355009990 897165 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike did you actually get anywhere with that eodermdrome interpreter < 1355010031 634368 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you already asked me that, and the answer is "eh" < 1355010077 348210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : is lsl really your main programming experience <-- hey don't dis him, my first C family language was LPC < 1355010098 52638 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first /= main < 1355010144 183759 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conjecture: the reason BF is so popular as a base for derivative esolangs is that it has a swearword in the name and most of the perpetrators are teenage boys < 1355010147 217902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my path to ed/vim went through the LPMud comment system :P < 1355010164 899290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: fuck you < 1355010171 226512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<- 42 < 1355010179 884611 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not even for your birthday < 1355010189 11682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait _derivatives_, ignore me then. < 1355010208 720309 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ignore oerjan < 1355010212 289793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355010218 487753 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1355010297 910473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i note there has been an eodermdrome interpreter, and there's a proof eodermdrome is tc, but they didn't exist simultaneously so no one's ever got to test it. < 1355010327 541713 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody has a copy of the interpreter anymore? < 1355010344 15080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklofok lost it, and i don't think he ever gave anyone a copy < 1355010345 482728 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355010403 509590 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be a SMOP < 1355010408 237994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:13:52: (joke: I actually don't know) < 1355010408 311367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:14:09: neither do i < 1355010413 86834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know *MWAHAHAHA* < 1355010416 493145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1355010436 606548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact i even found internet proof recently < 1355010437 721217 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1355010448 175747 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it "Internet"? < 1355010455 110633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1355010471 91026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what's SMOP < 1355010480 200807 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well. You never know. < 1355010492 775377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :small matter of programming? < 1355010505 268770 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1355010525 151830 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean internet proof of what the I stands for < 1355010526 502997 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(usually used tongue-in-cheek) < 1355010558 714628 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was suggesting that perhaps the I stands for "Internet" < 1355010562 635333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1355010584 207115 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm out of ideas < 1355010606 854472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what the A and S stand for? < 1355010674 399686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :albatross sneezes < 1355010684 548879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anachronistic seitch < 1355010684 952843 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, although I'm not sure if (a) I've remembered them correctly, and (b) if I'm okay to mention them on open channel anyway! < 1355010689 744490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: good, good < 1355010690 840083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :albatross imogen sneezes? < 1355010700 971703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: you don't need to mention them < 1355010718 842541 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there was one of those in God-Emperor! < 1355010718 915422 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sietch I mean < 1355010724 797341 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355010733 691798 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1355010735 134469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes. < 1355010740 969394 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if i meant sietch or seitch < 1355010755 150925 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1355010755 307439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1355010762 849927 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fremen word is "sietch", I don't know if "seitch" is a word < 1355010766 264518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was a mixup of 'sietch' and 'seich' < 1355011256 837193 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.139.94 QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting… < 1355011525 883206 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355012069 654686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (++ "!!") . (>> "AA") $ "Hello world !" < 1355012071 416946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!" < 1355012074 696572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so. < 1355012125 833150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix$(<$>)<$>(:)<*>((<$>((:[{- thor's mother -}])<$>))(=<<)<$>(*)<$>(*2))$1 < 1355012127 354040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,4,8,16,32,64,128,256,512,1024,2048,4096,8192,16384,32768,65536,131072,... < 1355012187 966728 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let_in =let in'let'in=let in let in" let" in let in let < 1355012189 390542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:8: parse error on input `=' < 1355012190 215504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355012197 181157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 'fix' is a bit annoying, would be nice to replace that with something that doesn't have letters < 1355012290 871943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let_in =let in'let'in=let in let in" let" in let in let let'in let_ _in = let_>>_in in in'let'in++ let in_let'in=let in " let in let" in let'in in_let'in in'let'in < 1355012292 391777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:8: parse error on input `=' < 1355012296 314695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1355012314 38015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's a declaration < 1355012319 653364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't see any lens here!! < 1355012324 298952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let let_in =let in'let'in=let in let in" let" in let in let let'in let_ _in = let_>>_in in in'let'in++ let in_let'in=let in " let in let" in let'in in_let'in in'let'in in let_in < 1355012326 110041 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " let let let let let let let let let let let let" < 1355012327 449006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olde style haskell < 1355012351 948274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you expect uncyclopedia to wrap their heads around lenses? < 1355012356 690013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@time < 1355012357 353072 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for Phantom_Hoover is Sun Dec 9 01:17:51 < 1355012364 135615 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bad lambdabot < 1355012370 570056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least my conclusion i could ignore the indentation was correct. < 1355012407 698094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott is it twenty past one or twenty past midnight < 1355012420 311632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mi'ight < 1355012433 369895 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355012435 413786 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why thor's mother particularly? < 1355012446 409440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, because oerjan is from norway < 1355012490 336349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's twenty one past one hth < 1355012501 704413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not my code < 1355012524 471954 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That just raises more questions! < 1355012546 202551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a true norwegian would use her actual name anyway... excuse me o moment... < 1355012549 229821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*a < 1355012656 633452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn Frigg is only his stepmother < 1355012742 432288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok after browsing wikipedia i conclude the reason is no one knows her name. < 1355012758 901870 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A true Norwegian would know her actual name < 1355012788 896205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait it's Fjörgyn < 1355012861 674432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk < 1355012888 65491 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't youtube on this connection really < 1355012893 533783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1355012914 135256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can find something imgur < 1355012918 729525 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355013016 972515 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: http://images.wikia.com/uncyclopedia/images/1/13/Thats_the_joke.jpg < 1355013021 87718 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1355013047 632289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is the one time i should have used a url shortener < 1355013051 84872 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well excuuuse me, princess! < 1355013067 930180 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355013118 375866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION royally swatteth GreyKnight -----### < 1355013148 299108 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*splat* < 1355013149 902377 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original version on uncyclopedia had "OH MY GOD IT'S A COMMENT!!!" in that comment < 1355013267 724008 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is that where they're from < 1355013310 155156 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to add something ridiculous to their article to celebrate the successful creation of lens? (which I don't really understand, by the way) < 1355013341 925656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: clearly that's elliott's job < 1355013371 237416 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're appointing elliott to handle PR? Are you mad? :-o < 1355013371 574436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are only two people who understand lens, and edwardk is too busy < 1355013493 664402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: elliott already handles PR, that's why we have so little < 1355013509 941393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i'm being mean < 1355013520 735507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats himself -----### < 1355013520 843094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can atone for your meanness by opping me. < 1355013536 936843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :too late, i already swatted < 1355013559 733473 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have PR? < 1355013597 158407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. < 1355013685 903637 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Be lazy about it"? < 1355013718 604520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have Perpendicular Recording. < 1355013718 930043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, "avoid success at all costs" < 1355013821 956913 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote we have PR? the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. "avoid success at all costs" < 1355013828 791479 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) we have PR? the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. "avoid success at all costs" < 1355013860 787509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is no quote < 1355013888 103062 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only slightly touched up the last bit to remove all trace of my superfluous comment < 1355013911 746161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: please swat GreyKnight as his first introduction to the Quoting Standards < 1355013911 925592 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as it wasn't funny < 1355013963 200164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats GreyKnight -----### < 1355013990 484206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 860 < 1355013994 485181 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* we have PR? the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. "avoid success at all costs" < 1355013997 300014 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow :< < 1355014015 933273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote we have PR? the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. [...] "avoid success at all costs" < 1355014018 968685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) we have PR? the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. [...] "avoid success at all costs" < 1355014028 894963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: swat yourself for disobeying the quoting standards too! < 1355014046 567054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1355014049 205670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 860 < 1355014053 48134 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* we have PR? the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. [...] "avoid success at all costs" < 1355014074 597577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recommend not adding that quote at all. < 1355014076 386486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote we have PR? the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. [...] [...] "avoid success at all costs" < 1355014079 109189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) we have PR? the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. [...] [...] "avoid success at all costs" < 1355014082 869460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :>:) < 1355014132 40156 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats himself -----### < 1355014134 742833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :almost forgot < 1355014334 928278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you saying that elliott doesn't understand lens or that I don't? < 1355014367 356697 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: or perhaps that you and elliott are the same person < 1355014390 350054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe that edwardk doesn't understand lens. < 1355014478 493166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm really just making an excuse to not attempt to understand them myself < 1355014492 980532 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355014497 482769 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355014506 789622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think lens is missing a way to translate ursala pointer expressions into their corresponding lenses < 1355014514 863063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you understand mapM? < 1355014518 911152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1355014523 597805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you understand Applicative? < 1355014526 330106 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355014532 754424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that wasn't a request to attempt to teach me, btw < 1355014541 383753 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1355014548 409346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is, you already understand lens. < 1355014581 406750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i very vaguely understand lens, which is something entirely different. < 1355014585 48002 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, nobody can be told what lens is. You have to see it for yourself. < 1355014644 727595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Focus, GreyKnight. < 1355014654 802068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t focus < 1355014655 977199 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Indexable (Tape (h :> a)) k) => k (a -> f a) ((h :> a) -> f (h :> a)) < 1355014659 897836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pah. < 1355014663 806463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :focus isn't even lens-related. < 1355014671 356216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Well, other than the fact that it's a lens. < 1355014672 98784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*gasp* < 1355014679 631054 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's incidental! < 1355014698 611752 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric : focus isn't even lens-related. <-- can I quote that too? < 1355014702 10792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t rainbow < 1355014703 122273 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `rainbow' < 1355014709 148890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I SEE SOMETHING MISSING < 1355014716 136434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t spectrum < 1355014717 329291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `spectrum' < 1355014718 78525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I recommend not. < 1355014723 568538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to develop taste. < 1355014730 894671 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I probably do too.) < 1355014741 133264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Hey, we're getting there! < 1355014743 354586 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw man :< < 1355014747 262724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prisms were only added in the last release. < 1355014750 261245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote _why taste < 1355014750 379064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes for this person. I can't hear you -- I'm using the scrambler. < 1355014751 861095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1355014752 251297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1355014802 133172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_why is slowly trawling the internet, removing all evidence he ever existed < 1355014821 434159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote _why < 1355014821 688762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. The more you drive -- the dumber you get. < 1355014827 353238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote taste < 1355014827 514826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :davidhasselh0f says: [on SPJ's "A Taste of Haskell" tutorial]: It's better than sex. < 1355014975 273716 :greyooze!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-3.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355015005 702825 :greyooze!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: gentoo < 1355015052 807429 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.248.126 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355015060 749326 :greyooze!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-3.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1355015146 784453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355015267 881598 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355015421 993691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I don't know. < 1355015463 250245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote why < 1355015463 406485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheezey says: who is islands and why does my dick hurt < 1355015469 401161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1355015545 911365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :important questions, surely < 1355015681 117314 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355015706 917354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're coming for the bots again < 1355015817 903457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are? < 1355015818 713888 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are HackEgo and EgoBot related? Cousins? < 1355015844 519758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they are related. < 1355015989 526436 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355016072 740237 :TeruFSX_!~quassel@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355016164 391481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: they're both Gregor's, and i think they share some sandboxing code; he keeps meaning to merge them. < 1355016179 876180 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmhmm. < 1355016200 589023 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't merge them mainly because HackEgo is slow, and I'm too lazy to make elliott's patches to make it fast run on my server. < 1355016232 613696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :always with the strange reasons < 1355016333 559530 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355016356 164475 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really, REALLY what I'd like is for somebody to implement hgfs in fuse. < 1355016363 168462 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would make everything perfect and wonderful. < 1355016415 330305 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in mercurial? < 1355016595 307892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355016721 995494 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1355016834 81644 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355017002 907364 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm vaguely surprised it doesn't already exist < 1355017125 620755 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently http://code.google.com/p/hgfs/ now exists. < 1355017159 684730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's 2008. I'm sure I would've found it and rejected it for some reason before then X-D < 1355017397 475345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Apparently http://code.google.com/p/hgfs/ now exists. Oh, that's 2008. I'm sure I would've found it and rejected it for some reason before then X-D < 1355017400 643450 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861) Apparently http://code.google.com/p/hgfs/ now exists. Oh, that's 2008. I'm sure I would've found it and rejected it for some reason before then X-D < 1355017744 598224 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355017874 829263 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yeah. “Can't get the damned thing working.” < 1355017974 591902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i quotes '861s/$/ Right, yeah. “Can't get the damned thing working.”/' < 1355017977 734995 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1355017981 306473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1355018044 654032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '861s/$/ Right, yeah. “Can't get the damned thing working.”/' < 1355018048 119417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1355018061 976542 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355018070 818163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo '861s/$/ Right, yeah. \“Can't get the damned thing working.\”/' < 1355018074 20517 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1355018080 879690 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think the ' in can't is screwing you up < 1355018081 297741 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha < 1355018086 84451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh < 1355018102 100271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i quotes '861s/$/ Right, yeah. “Can'"'"'t get the damned thing working.”/' < 1355018105 137616 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sed: -e expression #1, char 2: extra characters after command < 1355018109 818649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fff < 1355018164 895788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i quotes -e '861s/$/ Right, yeah. “Can'"'"'t get the damned thing working.”/' quotes < 1355018168 153449 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355018171 696716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1355018175 833225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 861 < 1355018179 279682 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861) Apparently http://code.google.com/p/hgfs/ now exists. Oh, that's 2008. I'm sure I would've found it and rejected it for some reason before then X-D Right, yeah. “Can't get the damned thing working.” Right, yeah. “Can't get the damned thing working.” < 1355018187 724057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA < 1355018193 898106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355018196 849585 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355018199 372733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 861 < 1355018202 660756 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861) Apparently http://code.google.com/p/hgfs/ now exists. Oh, that's 2008. I'm sure I would've found it and rejected it for some reason before then X-D < 1355018213 900392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1355018236 479441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i quotes -e '861s/$/ Right, yeah. “Can'"'"'t get the damned thing working.”/' < 1355018239 378092 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355018242 283494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 861 < 1355018245 371348 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861) Apparently http://code.google.com/p/hgfs/ now exists. Oh, that's 2008. I'm sure I would've found it and rejected it for some reason before then X-D Right, yeah. “Can't get the damned thing working.” < 1355018249 307666 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it sed in here or is it just me? < 1355018251 606519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh :P < 1355018275 836459 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get u-sed to it < 1355018362 352447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks FireFly is used to something else -----### < 1355018479 656378 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀∀ < 1355018507 796307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you need a [...]. < 1355018532 194908 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~~quoting standards~~ < 1355018535 908749 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...sigh < 1355018575 644521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i quotes -e '861s/X-D /X-D [...]/' < 1355018578 637259 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355018585 931655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 861 < 1355018589 192508 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861) Apparently http://code.google.com/p/hgfs/ now exists. Oh, that's 2008. I'm sure I would've found it and rejected it for some reason before then X-D [...] Right, yeah. “Can't get the damned thing working.” < 1355018625 371460 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355018630 936176 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355019700 560819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355019700 633992 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355019706 899085 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355020023 627118 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355020028 867836 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355020549 497388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"European consumers of horse meat are increasingly suspicious of a supply chain that they fear contains drugs injected in American racehorses." < 1355021133 241825 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355021158 843190 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355021179 32631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's myndzi < 1355021195 125027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^celebrate < 1355021195 432960 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1355021200 536291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOOOOOOO < 1355021239 33471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ < 1355021884 300419 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355021900 285093 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355021900 358024 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355021934 829274 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355021996 462570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi! < 1355022025 41532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you end up getting that laptop thing? < 1355022151 743347 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355022183 108658 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355022727 903625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey should I update the wiki and fix the /// thing < 1355022740 916747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: which? < 1355022742 389238 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-3.dab.02.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355022758 40427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean the laptop i ordered? < 1355022767 673441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355022773 724192 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-9.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355022781 96959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then the order was cancelled, or uncancelled, or something. < 1355022801 359454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355022818 620258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is currently in a state of limbo < 1355022843 860263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lenovo's website (when it is not down) indicates that the order is due to be shipped in a week and a half < 1355022851 581427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is currently "released to manufacturing" < 1355022855 692447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the credit card got un-charged < 1355022861 456853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i might get a free laptop < 1355022863 21528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or no laptop < 1355022871 203440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a coffee can full of angry bees < 1355022888 794800 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if it turns out that the order was cancelled again, and they neglected to notify me again < 1355022897 135666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i can't really in good conscience order another lenovo laptop < 1355022902 121299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know what i will get < 1355022904 443229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At worst your credit card will get recharged. < 1355022912 774577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the last time you recharged your credit card? < 1355022914 951578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things run out. < 1355022918 2665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1355022985 755438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my current laptop basically works though < 1355023009 16282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can even play 8 year old video games as long as it is not raining in the game < 1355023097 65973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtual memory exhausted: Cannot allocate memory < 1355023101 953889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I can't compile C++ programs. < 1355023215 356480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. < 1355023244 775176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about C/C++ programs < 1355023289 211248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote my current laptop basically works though it can even play 8 year old video games as long as it is not raining in the game < 1355023291 845617 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :862) my current laptop basically works though it can even play 8 year old video games as long as it is not raining in the game < 1355023302 816216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tough! < 1355023303 305622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: am i too much a sucker for quotes? < 1355023304 200609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm too lazy < 1355023395 486191 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355023438 35755 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355023441 680140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The world is a better place with you not being able to compile C++ programs. < 1355023456 91269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, a radixal hello world already. < 1355023474 523020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*radixal!!!! HELL0 W0RLD! < 1355023475 699843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :radixal/radixal!!!! < 1355023499 515281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :radixal radish < 1355023635 833633 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[..] concept of Lazy programming, a technique used to avoid telling the computer m is running, saving developers from needing to code things that won't be used." ..rofl < 1355023653 305729 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is exactly what i need < 1355023696 933750 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355023725 336647 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee PART :#esoteric < 1355023794 946216 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355023837 684191 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: monqy Fiora < 1355023858 704773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Sgeo|UPDATE < 1355023884 387566 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi shachaf "no |" shachaf < 1355024372 667465 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355024562 485605 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-31-9.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355024564 835476 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355024767 914946 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355024776 849560 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355025115 727018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The paper you linked to, which I assume you wrote, is both poorly written and idiotic." < 1355025150 529921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(comment on http://phys.org/news/2012-12-oxygen-nucleus-neutrons-shown-surprisingly.html) < 1355025836 658313 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355026410 972650 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://vacuum-mechanics.com/ very good < 1355026609 559877 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an attempt to make GR and QM fit within a model that makes sense to a classical intuition? < 1355026714 211224 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's both poorly written and idiotic that's what < 1355026732 472169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a good fit for this channel < 1355026752 382250 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1355026761 837473 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd call anything that meets what I described "idiotic" < 1355026769 82091 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess not necessarily poorly written < 1355026800 549481 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :miscellaneous stupid question time, is "list of length 7" a type expressible in haskell < 1355026810 985381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355026817 253080 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay. < 1355026825 36414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be awkward, though. < 1355026834 249501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's one way: data L7 a = L7 a a a a a a a < 1355026873 715956 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thought: < 1355026879 553530 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that works with conses, [a] or whatever? < 1355026887 675939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's its own type. < 1355026887 911421 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :data L7 a = L7 a (L6 a) < 1355026889 791083 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are L7 a and [a] disjoint. < 1355026894 842135 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, okay, thanks. < 1355026898 901635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, they're not the same type. < 1355026898 979696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :type L7 a = (a,(a,(a,(a,(a,(a,(a,()))))))) < 1355026905 552707 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo....there are better ways to do that.... < 1355026944 15892 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What oerjan did, I assume < 1355026945 279804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you cannot make useful subtypes of [a] in haskell < 1355026956 784065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can also actually put the length in the type etc. it is awkward to use though. try agda < 1355026965 491614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "not dependently typed" < 1355026968 998087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :type LUpto7 = Maybe (a, Maybe (a, Maybe (a, Maybe (a, Maybe (a, Maybe (a, Maybe a)))))) < 1355026993 239514 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo have you ever heard of actually putting the length in the type etc. < 1355027022 966894 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, elliott: got it, thanks, i should have asked that in the first place < 1355027025 350459 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as an actual 7, but as some ... thingy < 1355027049 166067 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1355027083 886089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a type-level 7. recent ghc versions have support for interpreting a 7 as a type < 1355027092 819360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Except not really. < 1355027119 70328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, support for the syntax anyway < 1355027144 102824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, syntax. < 1355027158 202717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear they removed some of the ability to do arithmetic again < 1355027206 446034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, r/haskell time < 1355027232 573828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to post your second post?! < 1355027259 994034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely. < 1355027273 811687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a comment might happen. < 1355027306 64999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I heard there was a "pretty cool lens post" < 1355027539 916574 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fiora monqy again < 1355027562 992954 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355027573 677199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1355027582 541679 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1355027583 997319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi relapsing monqy < 1355027591 807890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what's an "again" < 1355027598 118119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found the description of the PADsynth. < 1355027601 189059 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's you < 1355027606 291506 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're on the list < 1355027611 916366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1355027613 358034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what list < 1355027635 84905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355027635 370145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355027635 537989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355027635 894323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355027636 49046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355027646 330773 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :233) My STRN.G detects runoff strings that haven't been terminated but would hit a zero after wrapping and tries to allocate the 16+-gigabyte-stack required < 1355027693 693723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :480) IM FIST IN HEAD AND DONT KNOW TO SLEEP?????? < 1355027695 474199 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :536) according to physics and maths can we theoretically have a box with infinite cookies inside? < 1355027695 552137 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :685) fizzie: What kind of speech recognition do you do? If you only need to recognize famous speeches, like Churchill or something, it should be pretty easy. < 1355027696 38360 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :423) Deewiant: So you... reverse the byte order manually, but then call ntohl too? fizzie: The host might be big-endian! < 1355027700 376250 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355027702 473808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 860 < 1355027723 816464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 685 < 1355027730 944145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what's yr vote < 1355027751 694051 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :480 < 1355027766 312545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :480 and 860 and 685 < 1355027770 871503 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf. no. < 1355027775 320905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the biggest deletion ever < 1355027780 939273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ok ok we can spare 685 < 1355027852 519070 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see 860 on there < 1355027862 607807 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 860 < 1355027866 639062 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) we have PR? the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. [...] [...] "avoid success at all costs" < 1355027893 269378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S NOT A CANDIDATE DAMMIT < 1355027901 864373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 480 < 1355027905 589799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* IM FIST IN HEAD AND DONT KNOW TO SLEEP?????? < 1355027916 96003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone else can do 860 if they wants to < 1355027920 724427 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1355027924 726024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked 480 < 1355027925 742112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip my quote < 1355027932 41517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355027932 377761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355027932 716845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355027932 885056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355027933 220554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355027937 693370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 860 this time < 1355027945 141657 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :242) If you want to use TeX formats invented by Christians, use Plain TeX. However, I do not think the religion of its author is a good way to decide what to use. I decide to use Plain TeX for its own reasons. < 1355027970 708684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with the really long delay between the first quote and the next 4? < 1355027974 350062 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :150) It's only been 2 months since anyone last made a commit! WRONG 8 WEEKS < 1355027974 427452 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :289) I think I managed to make Stack Overflow work on gopher, now. < 1355027985 222535 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :687) When you die in Canada, you die in real life. < 1355027986 911794 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :562) The moon is a much better target for colonisation because it would be IRCable. < 1355028059 862679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :687 < 1355028095 797260 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :242 is the only really good one in this batch imo.......... and maybe 289 is good too? because of gopher.... < 1355028112 256545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :242 and 289 are both good < 1355028125 35253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like 289 and 242 and 687 (zzo38 making bad references makes them good references) < 1355028130 662703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you are powerful < 1355028131 893989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I agree those are good, 687 is not as good as the others. < 1355028138 960460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 38 < 1355028146 914028 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :38) actually, I pretended to be a hobo to get directions < 1355028154 905612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone needs to make 38 a zzo38 quote < 1355028160 39339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :687 should be deleted. < 1355028163 286665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I nominate 562 < 1355028177 864871 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :687 is bad because i looked it up and it's from xkcd < 1355028180 131059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's my least favourite of the bunch and would be so even if I didn't write it < 1355028194 427872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :150 and 562 are both mediocre < 1355028200 387266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :687 is worse < 1355028202 137557 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :687 seems like an old joke < 1355028215 188787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028217 939065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :226) (the former is a very deep theorem, i'd have had to read the whole book to understand it, so i didn't.) < 1355028218 285194 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1355028219 695846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028223 38992 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :805) ubuntu is the solaris of the cola world < 1355028223 768955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 562 < 1355028224 547103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028225 243872 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355028228 407253 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* The moon is a much better target for colonisation because it would be IRCable. < 1355028230 452498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :made an eggsecutive decision < 1355028233 24543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028236 839478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028236 917435 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :353) Sgeo: also do you know how to write a parser monqy, how hard could it be? < 1355028237 667332 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028237 750730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 686 < 1355028248 246065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :505) we need more films aimed at the lucrative irc nerd demographic < 1355028254 60750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can still refer properly by the date and quotation number together, since I think all changes are logged? < 1355028255 364517 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf what did you do < 1355028264 337944 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :300) o.O There's a birth defect which results in the formation of a cloaca. It's called "not being a mammal" :P < 1355028264 506946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028268 26104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oops < 1355028269 694014 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :300) o.O There's a birth defect which results in the formation of a cloaca. It's called "not being a mammal" :P < 1355028270 691732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc..... < 1355028271 904997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Did I do something bad? < 1355028275 327489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 353 < 1355028277 639426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really think you should just go and delete a lot of them, though. < 1355028278 494757 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :821) my best guess is 4 years ago but possibly also yesterday < 1355028279 154655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc it < 1355028280 973376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* When you die in Canada, you die in real life. < 1355028281 573711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to wait for it to < 1355028281 893694 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* Sgeo: also do you know how to write a parser monqy, how hard could it be? < 1355028282 733536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll < 1355028285 15385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1355028287 265667 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc................. < 1355028300 882803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc has snapped < 1355028304 215611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i < 1355028304 306336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 970 < 1355028306 706524 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355028314 963128 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you revert < 1355028315 75456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What are you doing?! < 1355028318 874727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't revert. < 1355028319 30570 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im confused < 1355028319 477441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pro tip" don't do anything to hackego after doing anything to it < 1355028325 290264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it messes up horribly you have to wait < 1355028326 994087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028327 349306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028327 518731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028327 856251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028330 43564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just asked for 6 quotes < 1355028330 325891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355028336 813691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are other reasons I think you should not delete them. < 1355028337 909719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but then you deleted one < 1355028337 987591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to ask for 5 but messed up < 1355028339 863307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego isn't "linear" < 1355028340 308829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :558) But whereas the Zune UI makes one think "I want to kill myself", the Windows CE UI makes one think "I want to kill myself, but first kill my parents as punishment for bringing into this world someone who would one day own a Windows CE device." < 1355028343 842252 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :269) Is anyone in here who knows cricket rules and has experience? What if I told you the baseball rules in a british accent? < 1355028344 155366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it mix up such things like that. < 1355028344 259142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the thing to do < 1355028357 153729 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355028358 385122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fashionable < 1355028359 695315 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) ZOMGMODULES, St. Christopher, saint and werewolf. < 1355028359 851920 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355028361 791444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but causing branch merges isn't < 1355028362 807863 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :25) PA ET ANNET UNIVERSET DER DE ENESTE PERSONEN OERJAN: sa jeg kan bare konkludere med at det er feil, eller er verden helt bonkers < 1355028364 400781 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :712) rephtrase < 1355028376 439746 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :712 wat < 1355028400 488230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :branch merges? < 1355028401 571088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1355028407 964362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: help why do you talk about me in your reddit comments < 1355028431 512032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though, it is true some I don't like as much, other I do like them better, but not everyone same opinion, and will mix up numbering. But even then you can work around by using dates instead, to keep list of all of them even if deleted, refer by date. < 1355028445 472499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: basically hackego is not a regular linux system < 1355028458 224442 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355028458 745791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is parallel: each command clones the fs, does the command, commits < 1355028465 902344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then if you have two that run at the same time it merges the results at the end < 1355028477 449989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that means if you do two delquotes in quick succession they have a good chance of deleting different quotes < 1355028480 367602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the numbers change < 1355028484 869537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :different as in < 1355028485 626555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong < 1355028485 800762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Can we have root support on HackEgo? < 1355028493 969829 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds kind of insane < 1355028499 387084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to hackego < 1355028499 478265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No (even though I am not Gregor) < 1355028500 202156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1355028508 543211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote a better version once but it was broken < 1355028512 430132 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i saw that it was a linux system and thought that was insane < 1355028512 872086 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`whoami < 1355028513 268089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it use git or what < 1355028515 858901 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoami: cannot find name for user ID 5000 < 1355028517 240091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hg < 1355028517 315444 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hg < 1355028519 103453 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no, go ahead and outdo yourself, why doncha < 1355028523 885168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hg < 1355028526 187787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1355028527 60371 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, mercurial < 1355028527 814970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hg < 1355028528 925441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this way you can revert it when someone fucks up < 1355028530 41788 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hg < 1355028533 636833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :say by running two commands too quickly < 1355028540 369936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is crazy < 1355028545 673670 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Check out umlbox. < 1355028552 129496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why hackego takes 100 hours to run anything btw < 1355028558 924246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 712 < 1355028563 494077 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* rephtrase < 1355028564 481004 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Show me a working FUSE hgfs and I will fix it INSTANTANEOUSLY < 1355028566 662681 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but that's not touching the ultimate problem, which is that you're using a linux system as an irc bot what < 1355028570 690917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just made a remote server boot up linux < 1355028572 777744 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elsewise I've had some thoughts regarding unionfs-fuse. < 1355028574 926135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and commit to hg < 1355028576 34417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1355028581 221206 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It gets better. < 1355028582 462164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's extensible < 1355028583 431442 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That's not a problem, that's a solution. < 1355028592 934353 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel earned its name < 1355028594 959466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it's not really one linux system < 1355028595 139539 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: IIRC the Linux kernel is being booted for each command. < 1355028599 291436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it boots up a new one every time - yeah < 1355028609 89924 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i heard that before but didn't believe it < 1355028621 545052 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox itself isn't slow, the slowness is from the hg nonsense. < 1355028623 447332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you somehow to read all the quotation from the repository and assign date, and then to make it the file of quotations by date? And then if there is more you can add on from the date specified. < 1355028624 178784 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the linux kernel also written in javascript < 1355028630 997463 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, it's just UML. < 1355028636 179775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: cool < 1355028639 151543 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rad < 1355028641 407307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If it's running in UML then why can't we run as root? < 1355028648 49492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Wouldn't a FUSE hgfs linearise all commands? < 1355028671 475406 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Slightly more sandboxing. < 1355028672 555313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: UML root is effectively the UML-executing user. < 1355028679 514162 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that. < 1355028680 898083 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Slightly” more = much more X-D < 1355028687 194184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transactional! < 1355028687 350519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1355028690 382313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: help why do you talk about me in your reddit comments <-- when? < 1355028698 71949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: In the past. < 1355028700 734010 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Um… maybe? No more than currently, I mean the current version has to do merge crap. < 1355028708 166580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: right but how would a fuse fs help < 1355028722 58945 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It wouldn't help with that, it would avoid having to do an actual hg clone. < 1355028746 382117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: <$> < 1355028760 50399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hmmmmm < 1355028775 302604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: but how would multiple commands that modify stuff running at once work? < 1355028781 568971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i wrote a better version once but it was broken < 1355028782 333287 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Same as current, merge. < 1355028784 340244 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :860) i wrote a better version once but it was broken < 1355028786 680525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but... < 1355028789 911307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 759 < 1355028790 499862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would they write their changes to < 1355028792 884890 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :759) A lot of things happened; not only me, but also you < 1355028795 186081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they are both operating on the same clone < 1355028797 536305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1355028798 41328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :759 is good < 1355028801 542173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess they don't need a clone at all < 1355028803 720982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 859 < 1355028807 8115 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :859) my current laptop basically works though it can even play 8 year old video games as long as it is not raining in the game < 1355028811 621924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 858 < 1355028811 954758 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What I want is a FS that exposes a single revision, and when you unmount it, commits one with that revision as parent. < 1355028814 917537 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :858) Apparently http://code.google.com/p/hgfs/ now exists. Oh, that's 2008. I'm sure I would've found it and rejected it for some reason before then X-D [...] Right, yeah. “Can't get the damned thing working.” < 1355028817 562151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway transactional hackego would still be better!! < 1355028820 947668 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no clone, there's no tip, it's just whatever is most recent. < 1355028823 474133 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr < 1355028827 369814 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just whatever was requested. < 1355028833 934492 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, transactional hackego WOULD be better. < 1355028852 76559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :than that I mean < 1355028854 655093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you could ~combine them~ < 1355028860 216181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :transcendental hackego would be better < 1355028869 502230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i humbly propose rewriting the whole fucking thing to not suck < 1355028884 383108 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, at least it ain't Plash anymore. < 1355028886 189953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in favour say i < 1355028892 327092 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, have it use bsd instead < 1355028897 386432 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Is it possible to access and filter all the changes for ones adding to the quote file? < 1355028898 179878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: better idea: < 1355028903 95694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite lambdabot!!!!!!!!! < 1355028910 347251 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Easily. < 1355028917 54925 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Just hg blame quotes < 1355028926 154325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not easily since Gregor keeps resetting the repo :P < 1355028928 958387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can grep logs for addquote < 1355028931 731487 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah ^^ < 1355028948 814035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: disappointed that yr VERSION reply does not disclose OS < 1355028949 304514 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't actually use bsd < 1355028949 900244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog `addquote < 1355028964 57512 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Really, I'm probably overthinking the whole thing. They could just all tromp on each other, and so long as they commit when they're done, you can still revert if things go wrong. < 1355028966 516216 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm going to assume that lambdabot is written in an agda implementation targeted to compile to befunge-based hardware < 1355028967 636000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is completely untested and almost certainly doesn't work, but it should in a commit or three." -- me, approximately two pages of commits down < 1355028970 613629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the tip still does not work) < 1355028971 235583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: In the past. <-- well i didn't see it. < 1355028982 16775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-12-26.txt:15:58:03: `addquote [...] So if someone tells you "you're worth your weight in Ethernet", it's likely they think your worth is less than $2k. < 1355028987 478092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why you keep resetting the repo too much? Well yes you can check for addquote but, what happen if some other file adds it? < 1355028997 539703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's on your front page. < 1355028998 480205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that is basically transactional hackego's design... assume everything is read-only, if writes happen kill everything, run the write, and then try everything else again < 1355029007 697431 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't use bsd, pikhq < 1355029018 346623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slow but properly linearised if you do a bunch of writes, really fast if you do lots of reads < 1355029018 872626 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right, but I'm proposing, don't even kill anything. Just let it go. < 1355029023 598036 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bastard < 1355029026 514886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that could work < 1355029031 996344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you'd want to stop it committing at the end at least < 1355029036 596790 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1355029041 566637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1355029045 313292 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it does, and it's wrong, you can revert it. < 1355029050 196863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could force a revert after that < 1355029054 969562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the way I did it, killing it had no overhead < 1355029065 21096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way you did it doesn't work yet X-D < 1355029067 741290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: <$> <-- now you are just being annoying. < 1355029068 143969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the filesystem knew as soon as the program wanted to write to a file < 1355029068 966625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1355029071 407920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMOP!!! SMOP < 1355029101 974924 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm proposing "fuck safety" as an intermediate step before correct transactions :) < 1355029128 826148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would that work if you deleted two quotes in quick succession < 1355029132 128188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole problem isn't really one of safety < 1355029142 928822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that HackEgo's semantics are non-linear which is really annoying for an imperative UI < 1355029151 87496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it'd be no worse but faster though < 1355029157 52687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so sure, that works :P < 1355029158 937063 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right. It's no worse, but faster. < 1355029168 244443 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only way that it's worse is that changes can be assigned to the wrong revision. < 1355029169 866171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was meant to be a solution that linearised stuff < 1355029170 524773 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big fucking whoop. < 1355029174 220717 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's a nonsolution. < 1355029176 354404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1355029184 235057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do find that quite annoying < 1355029191 91585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is useful to find what quotes people deleted :P < 1355029194 190102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes as a temporary thing < 1355029194 305618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you ever hear about let uc x = y where y :: a; y = x where z = id x < 1355029224 34861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you access all the logs? Since sometimes it says too much outputs isn't it? < 1355029229 505014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1355029241 277147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think so but remind me < 1355029243 464776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:00:30 -glogbot(codu@codu.org)- Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ . Also available via rsync: rsync --size-only -avz rsync://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ logs/ < 1355029253 166100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, it's unsafeCoerce in GHC 7.4 < 1355029255 697332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it, really. < 1355029280 69333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe in 7.6 too < 1355029283 533730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh really < 1355029290 205533 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun times < 1355029293 564980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, how to search all of the logs, without stopping, and without having to download all of them < 1355029305 417449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7453 < 1355029322 341683 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hm, maybe we can build something transactional but easy out of a unionfs… we union the repo (read only) and a write dir (read/write), then allow things to run, and if any files are detected in the write dir, then we lock and retry. It's exactly the same, but only needs unionfs(-fuse) and flock. < 1355029328 766152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it take too long, make it to specify the start of the search, so that if it stopped, it can start again from that point. < 1355029353 728555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: wow < 1355029367 409567 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /var/logs/_esoteric < 1355029370 624447 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /var/logs/_esoteric: No such file or directory < 1355029372 359043 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1355029373 566553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: oh there it was < 1355029378 406128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sounds workable... transactional hackego was pretty simple tho < 1355029379 923463 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /var/irclogs/_esoteric < 1355029383 333386 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003-01-18-raw.txt \ 2003-01-18.txt \ 2003-01-19-raw.txt \ 2003-01-19.txt \ 2003-01-20-raw.txt \ 2003-01-20.txt \ 2003-01-21-raw.txt \ 2003-01-21.txt \ 2003-01-22-raw.txt \ 2003-01-22.txt \ 2003-01-23-raw.txt \ 2003-01-23.txt \ 2003-01-24-raw.txt \ 2003-01-24.txt \ 2003-01-25-raw.txt \ 2003-01-25.txt \ 2003-01-26-raw.txt \ 2003-01-26.txt \ 2003-01-27-raw.txt \ 2003-01-27.txt \ 2003-01-28-raw.txt \ 2003-01-28.txt < 1355029384 569076 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it be deliberatley left in? < 1355029385 814586 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: BUT IT DOESN'T WORK X-D < 1355029418 360091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well the only "special" thing about it was https://bitbucket.org/ehird/hackbot/src/98ba00876ef8d81308738f1ccc10a8d624140252/multibot_cmds/lib/server < 1355029422 174568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er except < 1355029435 936326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bitbucket.org/ehird/hackbot/src/de8cb5a0df659f82dc594724c685c819c39d26b9/multibot_cmds/lib/server?at=default < 1355029504 544584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that said: in retrospect I have no fucking idea how this is supposed to work < 1355029509 272115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I do remember the basic idea was simple < 1355029534 211264 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1355029537 185410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like none of the stuff invoked lib/server < 1355029540 657200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you had to run it separately < 1355029575 568737 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that's fine. < 1355029599 726113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ ['hg', '-R', self.hackenv, 'status', '-umad'], < 1355029607 236077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it really have to be < 1355029620 817960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: okay so this thing actually didn't kill stuff! < 1355029626 255477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would run full commands no matter what < 1355029631 700761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it would try again if they turned out to have actually changed stuff < 1355029636 209103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that unionfs would indeed be more efficient < 1355029664 498934 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, the unionfs thing I most recently proposed does the same. < 1355029673 230711 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a different mechanism for detecting if they've changed shit. < 1355029688 297397 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: now i want to write an exploit for lambdabot or something < 1355029714 971008 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, wait… why does the hg status -umad mechanism need a server process at all? The process could just check it directly, and use a flock to make sure nobody competes improperly. < 1355029719 182147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let uc x = y where y :: a; y = x where z = id x in uc (2 :: Int) :: Float < 1355029720 705789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `t' with `a1' < 1355029720 783840 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `t' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1355029720 857288 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355029724 686719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Due to a quirk it doesn't work in lambdabot. < 1355029728 808858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have no idea. < 1355029729 68140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh which quirk? < 1355029735 224127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The quirk is that mueval was compiled with GHC 6.12 so it uses GHC 6.12's type checker. < 1355029737 234611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: All I know is lib/server coordinates stuff. < 1355029737 307511 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well… that seems infinitely simpler… < 1355029744 872728 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a flock could coordinate stuff X-D < 1355029749 556703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1355029751 329903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm pretty sure there's a reason I did stuff like this, but I don't know it. < 1355029754 519576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh < 1355029757 672090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was introduced in the mega type checker rewrite? < 1355029757 912043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Delightfully fragile, isn't it. < 1355029758 689244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It's because something has to restart the stuff < 1355029767 680857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. rerun the stuff that wanted to write < 1355029769 787902 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: They could restart themselves! < 1355029771 274794 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then rerun the other stuff < 1355029777 578472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure when it was introduced, but it doesn't work in 6.12, I think. < 1355029779 202482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That's gross when there's a single order you want to do stuff in < 1355029786 966262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i was arguing with ezyang the other day on whether SafeHaskell provides sandboxing "for free" (his claim) < 1355029793 147640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my claim is that it does not, for reasons like this one :) < 1355029798 948380 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ohhhh, it made sure that the order was always as they appeared in IRC? < 1355029802 404420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this is just a sandbox bug < 1355029802 477947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the GHC type checker and RTS have not been vetted that carefully for holes < 1355029807 258281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a bug in any other security mechanism < 1355029814 595318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Right, that's the whole idea < 1355029824 334578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think the point is that SPJ doesn't think of GHC's type checker as a sandbox. < 1355029824 574490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, i'm saying that SafeHaskell is a buggy sandbox mechanism at present < 1355029827 994107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: HackEgo should act as if it is running commands in sequence, no multithreading < 1355029829 972412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that GHC's type checker is complicated. < 1355029836 822093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because when it differs from that behaviour it's always annoying < 1355029840 185705 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, IMHO, the more important notion is getting them all to run serializably, not in the order seen *shrugs* < 1355029842 265512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe we think of it that way now, but there were 20+ years of development where we didn't < 1355029849 305378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only reason *not* to run stuff in sequence is because it'd be slow < 1355029851 720708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7453 <-- doesn't load for me... but so much for Safe Haskell allowing running untrusted code, i guess... < 1355029854 672918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of like how the linux kernel was a toy for many years and so developed egregious security practices < 1355029863 372174 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And because it needs a separate coordinator… < 1355029868 76044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it loaded < 1355029874 701821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: sure, but it's hardly heavy-weight, I just never tested it properly :P < 1355029876 144522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Loads for m.e < 1355029889 427902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was 150 lines of Python, I'm sure you could achieve the same thing with about as much code as it took me, just not broken < 1355029906 92793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if any of those DOSBox crashes I found are exploitable < 1355029908 780957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> appEndo (Endo ('a':) <> Endo ('b':)) [] < 1355029910 191207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "ab" < 1355029948 673377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ALSO my patch removed code too < 1355029955 861607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By a random sampling I did there are many different opcode sequences that'll crash it. < 1355029957 67148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically the slox that is there for no reason < 1355029968 950177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah < 1355029973 152077 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't look into it very deeply, but apparently they're not all the same one. < 1355029980 451346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since you said one of them was fixed in HEAD and another wasn't. < 1355029984 342091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's a whole set of invalid Mod/RM bytes that will crash it < 1355029993 597449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this is actually part of why I gave up working on @ < 1355029995 285005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there's a table of function pointers and the invalid ones are just NULL ;P < 1355029996 50388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is dosbox supposed to be secure? < 1355030001 491730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't it just let you mount ~ anyway? < 1355030012 761126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realised that I really had to make it secure for the design to be worth anything and it was just out of my league to coordinate everything to work properly and securely on every level < 1355030051 893749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also making @ was work < 1355030052 78644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it has a mode where such things are disabled, i think < 1355030071 521289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh. < 1355030079 740140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-securemode < 1355030140 53474 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPJ pointed out that -dcore-lint catches this < 1355030152 291113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess that is becoming part of the not actually written down advice on using SafeHaskell safely < 1355030156 603351 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1355030203 670921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes, since it's not _actually_ using unsafeCoerce it shouldn't be able to type as core < 1355030252 7117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's funny that Core is typed. < 1355030257 218504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps SafeHaskell should imply -dcore-lint automatically >:) < 1355030275 241222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's one of ghc's major innovations, afaiu < 1355030285 51541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it shouldn't be able to type as haskell either < 1355030325 474258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: of course, but core is simple enough that you stand a fighting chance of type checking being bug free (although it isn't, of course) < 1355030355 310179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming as reductionism as ever < 1355030361 633212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core is uninferrable, right? < 1355030366 787247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355030381 632127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but explicitly typed, so you don't need it < 1355030389 483595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there are plenty of ways to write unsafeCoerce in core, though < 1355030398 808292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you can get the frontend to emit one of those through a bug, you still win < 1355030402 61028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: don't they all involve explicitly using the unsafe "cast" < 1355030411 974714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since core casts require evidence < 1355030418 171599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just has a special "unsafe" evidence term that works for any coercion < 1355030423 476432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about newtype deriving for example < 1355030427 6027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355030429 444307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's known broken of course < 1355030440 839193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm saying there are potentially many source-level constructs which can produce that unsafe cast < 1355030553 92475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be fun to have security people looking for type checker bugs. < 1355030581 529312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number of people who could plausibly audit the type checker for correctness is very small < 1355030585 175703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's part of the problem < 1355030610 310570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the number is larger for the RTS, since it's a concurrent operating system written in C, and there are lots of those in the world < 1355030830 377523 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is newtype deriving broken? < 1355030863 886232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google haskell newtype deriving unsafeCoerce < 1355030865 434999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://joyoftypes.blogspot.com/2012/08/generalizednewtypederiving-is.html < 1355030887 482167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw i assumed mentioning you on r/haskell wasn't a problem given that you are already a regular there... < 1355030912 963060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that this channel is logged anyway, I doubt it could be much of a problem. < 1355031874 383056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you think that 'spoon' should be compiled as 'Trustworthy'? < 1355031895 730065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no *hit by falling anvil* < 1355031942 190603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :womp womp < 1355031946 672173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think spoon shouldn't be compiled < 1355031959 610916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Off-hand I can't think about any security issues with it, but... < 1355031984 91922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ezyang claims that SafeHaskell makes it perfectly objectively clear what "safe" means < 1355031990 849900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am trying to think of interesting corner cases < 1355032012 395017 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally I made my implementation of PADsynth working, and it sound like good! < 1355032034 85311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Recently we added a -fsafe flag to lens that doesn't use any unsafeCoerce. < 1355032038 990300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Though it still uses unsafePerformIO.) < 1355032039 125779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one that comes to mind is: typeRepKey (TypeRep (Key i) _ _) = return i < 1355032046 468820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is 'in the 'IO' monad because the actual value of the key may vary from run to run of the program' < 1355032051 894730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, it is very slow. < 1355032068 616641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so clearly somebody thought it would be "unsafe" in some sense to not have "return" there < 1355032093 207712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is that the same sense as SafeHaskell "safe"? < 1355032106 502312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is some document I have not seen which makes it perfectly clear < 1355032131 710095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People use "unsafe" to mean lots of different things. < 1355032152 17783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsafeCoerce, unsafePerformIO, unsafePartialFunction < 1355032162 653264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The size of Int may also vary from run to run of the program. < 1355032167 208386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355032238 238676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, it's not really the type system that keeps safe things apart from unsafe, which people sometimes claim. < 1355032242 995236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just what happens to be in scope. < 1355032247 957271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355032259 842889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes and no < 1355032267 612254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can write unsafeCoerce then you can circumvent that < 1355032273 874781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type system soundness is necessary < 1355032283 429752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, OK, sure. < 1355032458 420157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you please look, and tell me how to make it fast? < 1355032488 32305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure it sound like good? < 1355032495 559835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether I can look. < 1355032524 949782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it sound like good, because I can hear it. And I can read the instructions. < 1355032663 781789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/csound/csoundextraopcodes.c It is line 1785 < 1355032716 20692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, zzo38. < 1355032972 935715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how to make it fast? < 1355033021 781731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1355033049 842008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you write that file? < 1355033110 518113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I did write this program, based on the descriptions from other documents. < 1355033450 664066 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355033461 111741 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355033499 325423 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good, now it's completely broken :) < 1355033519 220504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What did you break? < 1355033524 420476 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo. < 1355033537 699672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1355033546 420746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you have to fix it < 1355033604 635005 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355033606 721881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote zzo38 < 1355033606 955393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 says: (I think his gopher is IPv6 only) < 1355033618 222446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good quote < 1355033627 296347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote zzo38 < 1355033627 452760 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 says: (I think his gopher is IPv6 only) < 1355033635 337343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote zzo38 < 1355033635 506798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 says: Such as, we try to make something similar to a combination of Haskell, C, BLISS, TeX, WEB, Prolog, INTERCAL, and Magic: the Gathering; and then make it with many things omitted such as < 1355033635 845486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode syntax, layout, do-notation, list comprehensions; and add in macros and stuff, and then make up something new...... < 1355033645 587663 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355033649 412317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good quote < 1355033652 248763 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds amazing < 1355033663 579171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo q < 1355033664 570084 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1355033667 246749 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355033668 415759 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :259) elliott: there go my minutes of research!! < 1355033676 929575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote zzo38 < 1355033692 272302 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypothetically, it's transactional and serializable, but not guaranteed to be sequentially identical to the input order. < 1355033703 262151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Uh oh. < 1355033718 929037 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, it could be totally broken *shrugs* < 1355033723 495704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What we need is sha1 identifiers for quotes, instead of line numbers. < 1355033734 818745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1355033736 506791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1355033737 563902 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :29) I am not on the moon. \ 123) Some people are reasonable, some people who are not reasonable insist on changing things so therefore progress depends on not reasonablepeple \ 159) catseye: Please wake up. Not recorded for this timezone. The big spider is not your dream \ 183) zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Avogadro's number. It's broken? \ 188) I love the way zzo38's comment was cut off after the f o < 1355033739 764895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: does it have the wrongly-attributed changes thing < 1355033741 11776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1355033751 352662 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ummmm < 1355033753 327810 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo wtf < 1355033754 328749 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1355033758 282119 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1355033762 450279 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1355033768 33382 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It is truly transactional. < 1355033774 753074 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's wholly broken :) < 1355033784 984725 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355033786 103532 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1355033792 808728 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Gregor < 1355033804 832739 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe removing the line length limit wasn't such a good idea ^^ < 1355033808 113854 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355033809 54666 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 45) If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ... I'd call it jabbear. \ 46) GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? \ 48) ??? Are the cocks actually just implanted dildos? Or are there monster dildos and cocks? Or are both the dildos and cocks monster? \ 86) I don' < 1355033970 764791 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Gregor < 1355033982 892304 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I'll do my testing in #hackbot X-D < 1355034011 210062 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355034196 889884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there any representation of type equality in Haskell that does not require rank-2 quantification? < 1355034202 977087 :Sgeo|UPDATE!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355034205 927703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1355034217 442700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forall p. p a -> p b) is leibniz equality but has that forall < 1355034222 120598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do some sort of skolem trick to avoid that < 1355034230 255267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(haskell 2010) < 1355034308 186472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa < 1355034326 798045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaas if i would know < 1355034381 926101 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: *( < 1355034389 735495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet shachaf knows < 1355034396 922567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO < 1355034401 711085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe. < 1355034407 845725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes sulking in the corner < 1355034838 842536 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355035284 314168 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355036642 669640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know, who does know how to make this program fast? < 1355037154 497629 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 45) If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ... I'd call it jabbear. \ 46) GregorR: are you talking about ehird's virginity or your soda beer? \ 48) ??? Are the cocks actually just impPRIVMSG #hackbot :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1355037169 740885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hm.... < 1355037182 752941 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I knew that was going to happen, ignore it ;) < 1355037192 260080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1355037241 897220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines Gregor having HackEgo's skull open and poking at parts of its brain < 1355037274 458924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally shouting *MWAHAHAHAHA* < 1355037666 873607 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote yay < 1355037668 232648 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :51) yay fire! * Madelon combusts spontaneously. \ 130) INTERNET YAY Said like a once-drowning man, rescued, taking a breath. \ 208) yay CDE \ 229) !bfjoust test (-)*10000 Score for Vorpal_test: 12.9 yay < 1355037673 608110 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works now. < 1355037683 548015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355037683 797596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355037684 55690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355037684 229915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355037684 564454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355037685 254830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :355) You have no idea how desperately I want to avoid being a GC guy :P Every year I go to ISMM and Doug Lea gives me a bizarrely-cheery "Hello!" and I'm like "awww shit I'm in memory management" < 1355037685 567204 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :68) Invalid! Kill! Kill! I get that feeling too. < 1355037686 3135 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :824) this sounds sort of like @ kmc well @ is the least upper bound of all ideas in computer science < 1355037686 77804 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :198) And to think: if only we wouldn't celebrate birthdays, there would be no birthday paradox, and we could get by with half as long hash functions. (What do you mean it doesn't work that way?) < 1355037686 460522 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :499) elliott_, oh they are people known in the ruby community? Vorpal: Uh... you mean Hannah Montana? elliott_, yeah. And Zed Shaw. Either they are that or they come from popular culture. < 1355037691 470615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, dude < 1355037693 3468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's too fast i preferred the old one < 1355037698 413611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :add a delay please < 1355037708 660614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quote < 1355037709 521595 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ grep -P -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1355037716 613693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so does this attribute changes correctly < 1355037723 564242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is with elliott  < 1355037754 490368 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: so does this attribute changes correctly // what the hell does this mean < 1355037763 160696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said something about attributing changes to the wrong commit < 1355037772 396919 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was in a non-transactional version. < 1355037782 676146 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is really transactions. < 1355037797 930827 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just doesn't guarantee global ordering. < 1355037805 450765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/quote bin/realquote; echo -n $'#!/bin/sh\nsleep 1\nrealquote "$@"\n' > bin/quote < 1355037808 216648 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355037809 285586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355037811 429138 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :471) it's the pain of the gaps argument no matter how good your robot is at feeling pain it's never close enough < 1355037816 146477 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, rather, it doesn't guarantee that the ordering matches the order that the commands appear. < 1355037816 406906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1355037837 475867 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now lesse if this works... < 1355037839 203545 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355037840 543116 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355037843 557322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355037845 182024 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :729) elliott: the new fnord elliott: what is the point? nothing changed. < 1355037861 745088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote test < 1355037861 924530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote test < 1355037862 106995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote test < 1355037862 204895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote test < 1355037862 378915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote test < 1355037865 872759 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861) test < 1355037867 60689 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :862) test < 1355037868 947343 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :863) test < 1355037870 524905 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864) test < 1355037871 928470 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :865) test < 1355037872 55032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice and slow again < 1355037878 186739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quite < 1355037879 124173 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quite: not found < 1355037882 510397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quite so < 1355037882 583483 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1355037883 332565 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quite: not found < 1355037888 7933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is still faster than the audio which it generates, it takes five seconds to generate the audio even though the audio sample it generates is six seconds long. < 1355037891 944120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so fast :'-') < 1355037899 846280 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355037900 914928 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1355037901 664758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I still think it is too slow, isn't it? < 1355037909 988749 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's hardly amazingly fast ^^ < 1355037913 406747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355037914 411145 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1355037919 285925 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome somebody < 1355037920 935420 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355037922 182676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Faster than ls on my local system. < 1355037923 973290 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355037927 873070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks you are confusing zzo38  < 1355037932 495366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, when I'm compiling GHC with -j at the same time. < 1355037938 240826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh no < 1355037984 937822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-j is that the parallel build thing < 1355038042 274619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1355038042 352660 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1355038054 4391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 978 < 1355038055 107434 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355038332 925214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it seems like Skolem a -> Skolem b would more or less guarantee you equality < 1355038343 120023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is you can't extract things from it with just something trivial like "newtype Skolem a = a" < 1355038344 361236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1355038346 159575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you can't get (b -> a) < 1355038350 832093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you need Skolem to be? or is there somethign else < 1355038352 561975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*something < 1355038354 200445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: help me out here < 1355038416 667387 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm -rf * < 1355038417 649021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with what < 1355038423 828387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355038429 314629 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355038433 664993 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1355038458 168040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do rm -rf *; rm -rf /; done < 1355038467 180208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you know how you can represent e.g. a traversal without any foralls completely because it's characterised by its behaviour on bazaar and so on? < 1355038474 363427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Right. < 1355038487 68063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do something similar for leibniz equality, i.e. data Equal a b = Equal (forall p. p a -> p b) < 1355038498 89079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow construct a forall-less (preferably Haskell 2010) equality type < 1355038509 426434 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's actually a good way to keep HackEgo from doing anything for 30 seconds... < 1355038521 460628 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' \ rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe \ rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' \ rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe \ rm: it is dangerous to operate recursively on `/' \ rm: use --no-preserve-root to override this failsafe \ rm: it is dangerous to operat < 1355038521 790036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What sort of sandbox is this?! < 1355038523 322193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Skolem a -> Skolem b) gives you "Equal a b means a ~ b modulo _|_" I think, but I don't know what representation you want for Skolem that lets you extract as much info out of it < 1355038530 775306 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A good one. < 1355038539 755632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do Skolem = Identity and get (a -> b) but then you don't get (b -> a) or (SomeContravariant a -> SomeContravariant b) etc. < 1355038547 456221 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355038551 504459 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hs < 1355038568 730713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run while true; do rm -rf *; rm -rf /*; done < 1355038580 607089 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1355038590 848873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Skolem? < 1355038595 470981 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK, ALL you're doing is DDoSing here. It's not an interesting "attack" < 1355038604 238596 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, minus that first 'D' :) < 1355038615 806530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, OK. < 1355038621 236764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`botsnack < 1355038632 545247 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm: cannot remove `/bin/bash': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/rbash': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/sh': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/ln': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/uname': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bin/stty': Read-only file system \ rm: cannot remove `/bi < 1355038637 326065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: botsnack: not found < 1355038660 662573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'print "hi"' < 1355038662 786054 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1355038668 23923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Skolem is any type you want that you don't export from the module defining this equality stuff. < 1355038669 836743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should fix that. < 1355038815 646215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it seems like such a definition of equality is impossible < 1355038820 201068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know why that would be the case and I'm not sure < 1355038857 325149 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'putStr "hi\n"' < 1355038860 995015 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1355038864 311317 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell? < 1355038870 626256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run type -a ghc < 1355038871 648204 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc is /usr/bin/ghc < 1355038880 23293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ghc --version < 1355038882 44515 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 6.12.1 < 1355038886 369839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Don't fix it without upgrading it. < 1355038906 259395 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS is why I killed GHC. < 1355038914 52429 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's always wrong for you jerkasses. < 1355038925 86653 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's an easy damned solution now. < 1355038929 239302 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Install the Platform. < 1355038932 567049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355038935 96797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :platform's ghc is old < 1355038936 896052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.6.1 please < 1355038938 218383 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1355038939 940550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with lens < 1355038961 651354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355038970 97317 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I stand corrected. < 1355038974 46131 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X_X < 1355038985 503489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you can't complain, you used to make other people install D < 1355039013 469151 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aside from everything else, /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1 DOES exist. < 1355039025 849623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1 < 1355039026 965549 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cabal-1.8.0.2 \ array-0.3.0.0 \ base-3.0.3.2 \ base-4.2.0.0 \ bin \ bin-package-db-0.0.0.0 \ bytestring-0.9.1.5 \ containers-0.3.0.0 \ directory-1.0.1.0 \ dph-base-0.4.0 \ dph-par-0.4.0 \ dph-prim-interface-0.4.0 \ dph-prim-par-0.4.0 \ dph-prim-seq-0.4.0 \ dph-seq-0.4.0 \ extensible-exceptions-0.1.1.1 \ extra-gcc-opts \ filepath-1.1.0.3 \ ghc-6.12. < 1355039031 562646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -R /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1 | wc -l < 1355039033 214723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2913 < 1355039062 823433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know. < 1355039109 783531 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1355039110 735025 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1355039117 436589 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'putStr "hi\n"' < 1355039119 13441 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: can't find a package database at /usr/lib/ghc-6.12.1/package.conf.d < 1355039122 337392 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Explain this to me. < 1355039123 885814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Look, just upgrade it. < 1355039139 330932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run strace -fo OUT ghc -e 'putStrLn "hi"' < 1355039140 427789 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: strace: command not found < 1355039143 738880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! < 1355039145 714047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I demand strace. < 1355039169 735315 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, how do I install ghc to not make everybody bitch forever. < 1355039191 960745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: download the ghc 7.6.1 binary package from the ghc website < 1355039199 231738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure && sudo make install < 1355039202 219823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can do the rest from ~ < 1355039207 858758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps nuke ghc 6.12 first < 1355039213 769480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you do something with a type class instead of a rank-2 type? < 1355039215 4210 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: This is how i always install GHC and cabal. https://gist.github.com/2815423 < 1355039218 662396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since those are sort of close to each other. < 1355039227 930150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor doesn't need to install cabal-install < 1355039243 843900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1355039248 577432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: does it still have timeouts? < 1355039261 368601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO have a `runlong that trusted users can use without timeouts so cabal can actually install anything at all < 1355039269 362243 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 30 seconds. < 1355039276 448966 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: You forgot to mention "cabal install lens". < 1355039280 337300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, you can do class Equal a b where subst :: p a -> p b < 1355039289 856630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but can you then do instance Equal a a? I doubt that's Haskell 2010 < 1355039296 62291 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That still refers to 7.4.2, though, since i haven’t got around to upgrading to 7.6. (Well, i tried once and too many packages didn’t work. It was a while ago.) < 1355039298 885648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly, there's no way of packing this thing in a value < 1355039307 481233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, sure, I meant something first-class. < 1355039346 865719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MPTCs aren't H10 anyway. < 1355039383 192088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is the finally tagless trick for getting a "free quantifier" < 1355039388 866230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't see how you could apply it here immediately < 1355039404 964202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1355039447 404222 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did I just extract a ghc binary, and it doesn't include… a ghc binary. < 1355039472 230792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :./configure < 1355039473 984535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sudo make install < 1355039477 476652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's autotools-based. < 1355039484 41157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't just copy GHC binaries around. < 1355039608 54471 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :One can install it without sudo, too. < 1355039646 742443 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc --version < 1355039648 287442 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 7.6.1 < 1355039698 239689 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run runghc zalgo.hs 'The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 7.6.1' < 1355039704 140054 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ zalgo.hs:1:8: \ Could not find module `Random' \ It is a member of the hidden package `haskell98-2.0.0.2'. \ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for. < 1355039718 520891 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1355039725 811743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat zalgo.hs < 1355039726 883491 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Random;main=mapM_((>>(י=<: \ Could not find module `Random' \ It is a member of the hidden package `haskell98-2.0.0.2'. \ 1 < 1355040023 892609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -package haskell98 -e 'import Random' -e 'print 1' < 1355040030 43801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: are you sure you're installing it right < 1355040034 190173 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No. < 1355040038 861375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1355040054 561436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: btw it will literally not help at all :P < 1355040065 181144 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355040072 360401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -hide-package base -package haskell98 -e 'import Random' -e 'print 1' < 1355040104 903748 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't want to give you access, I just want to `cabal install random` < 1355040108 607300 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355040117 147351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's going on with GHC? < 1355040138 757611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -hide-package base -e 'import Random' -e 'print 1' < 1355040147 413539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -hide-package base -e 'print 1' < 1355040149 807122 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don’t you trust elliott? :-( < 1355040156 816554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'print 1' < 1355040205 829780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's going on? < 1355040211 827304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hi < 1355040220 607786 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It runs with low priority and all my I/O is being used to fuck cabal. < 1355040312 508755 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's seriously taking an incredible amount of time X_X < 1355040335 857910 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sufficiently intelligent compilers are like that. < 1355040377 11271 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355040385 81840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1355040393 16456 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was sufficiently intelligent it would realize that it shouldn't piss off its administrator, and do some quicker compilation < 1355040397 95229 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :50% of my memory is being used to link some binary X_X < 1355040405 44755 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1355040414 739102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: try gold < 1355040434 492425 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC works with gold nowadays? < 1355040467 833244 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I CAN'T KILL IT < 1355040487 147726 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355040500 501291 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe it decided to become intelligent enough to take over intead < 1355040537 977427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1355040573 7247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Haskell? < 1355040573 7400 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really, no < 1355040573 7514 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1355040573 79362 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck, I have a process taking 50% of my memory, and I can't kill it. < 1355040573 152514 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it finally died. < 1355040592 611544 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355040592 689324 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355040608 778896 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much memory do you have? < 1355040653 390470 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Evidently not enough. < 1355040666 166511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You don't need cabal-install to install random. < 1355040679 525271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'print 1' < 1355040685 301228 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1355040692 536020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -hide-package base -package haskell98 -e 'print 1' < 1355040695 679313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't want to have to go through a bunch of crap to install every package you jerks request, at least with cabal-install I don't have to think much. < 1355040700 522314 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1355040703 582355 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -hide-package base -package haskell98 -e 'import Random' -e 'print 1' < 1355040708 360425 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1355040733 809907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run runghc -hide-package base -package haskell98 -e zalgo.hs "I don't want to have to go through a bunch of crap to install every package you jerks request, at least with cabal-install I don't have to think much." < 1355040737 207596 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ Top level: \ Failed to load interface for `Prelude' \ It is a member of the hidden package `base'. \ It is a member of the hidden package `haskell98-2.0.0.2'. \ It is a member of the hidden package `haskell2010-1.1.1.0'. \ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for. < 1355040745 1088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1355040753 389476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1355040757 682504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: If you think you don't have to think to get cabal-install working, then you haven't used it enough < 1355040758 250366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -hide-package base -package haskell98 zalgo.hs "I don't want to have to go through a bunch of crap to install every package you jerks request, at least with cabal-install I don't have to think much." < 1355040760 708089 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ zalgo.hs:1:8: \ Could not find module `System.Random' \ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for. < 1355040768 903700 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell seems hard, shachaf < 1355040771 546630 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1355040773 503415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/System\.// zalgo.hs < 1355040776 347186 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355040777 366429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -hide-package base -package haskell98 zalgo.hs "I don't want to have to go through a bunch of crap to install every package you jerks request, at least with cabal-install I don't have to think much." < 1355040786 262914 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1 of 1] Compiling Main ( zalgo.hs, zalgo.o ) \ Linking zalgo ... \ gcc: I don't want to have to go through a bunch of crap to install every package you jerks request, at least with cabal-install I don't have to think much.: No such file or directory < 1355040794 968073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run runghc -hide-package base -package haskell98 zalgo.hs "I don't want to have to go through a bunch of crap to install every package you jerks request, at least with cabal-install I don't have to think much." < 1355040798 357321 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ Top level: \ Failed to load interface for `Prelude' \ It is a member of the hidden package `base'. \ It is a member of the hidden package `haskell98-2.0.0.2'. \ It is a member of the hidden package `haskell2010-1.1.1.0'. \ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for. < 1355040809 669842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./zalgo ""I don't want to have to go through a bunch of crap to install every package you jerks request, at least with cabal-install I don't have to think much." < 1355040810 680399 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1355040812 519242 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i admit i'm intrigued by this many subtle ways to fuck up however < 1355040814 867405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./zalgo "I don't want to have to go through a bunch of crap to install every package you jerks request, at least with cabal-install I don't have to think much." < 1355040815 816131 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ./zalgo: No such file or directory < 1355040819 874087 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: STOP < 1355040819 951350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is useless. < 1355040825 721668 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do it, shachaf! i believe in you! < 1355040872 123082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK, just get random working, then. < 1355040875 230324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1355040876 175497 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355040884 748649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait... What's going on? < 1355040900 769604 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -hide-package base -package haskell98 zalgo.hs -o zalgo < 1355040914 161940 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linking zalgo ... < 1355040920 125101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1355040921 36096 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355040928 315848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./zalgo Hooray! < 1355040929 487559 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ./zalgo: cannot execute binary file < 1355040932 909612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clap < 1355040934 882342 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bahahaha < 1355040941 392383 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file zalgo < 1355040941 530061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run file zalgo < 1355040942 642254 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zalgo: data < 1355040942 720219 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zalgo: data < 1355040946 810455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -lh zalgo < 1355040947 734133 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :-rwxr-xr-x 1 5000 5000 1.4M Dec 9 08:15 zalgo < 1355040949 365685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat zalgo < 1355041011 849473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`xxd zalgo < 1355041081 565279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think HackEgo gave up < 1355041108 631084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I'm trying to install random. < 1355041110 606072 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fucking ld. < 1355041145 933443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It won't help because ghc can't actually link binaries! < 1355041191 440304 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It probably can't on the bot because ld takes too much memory. < 1355041200 685770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gold < 1355041201 351879 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it doesn't work with gold. < 1355041208 87714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does if you fix it < 1355041208 606863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, fine. No linking. < 1355041213 824762 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FUCK. YOU. < 1355041282 854519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hi < 1355041418 177408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355041428 496578 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355041468 636692 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run free -m < 1355041470 38079 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached \ Mem: 245 7 237 0 0 2 \ -/+ buffers/cache: 5 240 \ Swap: 0 0 0 < 1355041486 595820 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1355041518 277652 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm done with this for today. Why does Haskell have to be such a pain. < 1355041533 299728 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitler, mostly. < 1355041536 93369 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got HackEgo reasonably fast, so I feel accomplished enough. < 1355041538 757131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`xxd zalgo | head -n1 < 1355041540 156178 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xxd: zalgo | head -n1: No such file or directory < 1355041543 577462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run xxd zalgo | head -n1 < 1355041545 295232 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 ................ < 1355041550 683674 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good elf < 1355041554 750064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm zalgo < 1355041557 586729 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355041561 323163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright let's test it out in the Real World < 1355041562 836550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355041563 320624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355041563 694039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355041564 40532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355041564 135597 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :556) Come to think of it, I've praised you a little too effusively. I'm not *that* pleased. If you'll permit me to compensate slightly... elliott: fuck you. There. Perfect. Carry on. < 1355041564 473575 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :848) I am a train. There's a wireless network in the train! < 1355041564 988641 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :772) 99 bugs in the bug tracker, 99 reports of bugs. Take one down and commit a fix, 106 bugs in the bug tracker. < 1355041565 171040 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :804) elliott___: we have been calling a book new for 2000 years and it took einstein to figure out relativity < 1355041566 305795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355041567 526391 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :526) elliott: ppl should vote clinton because obama is biracial every1 knows that dood, look at him he has been on something lately. < 1355041569 22907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -hide-package base -package haskell98 zalgo.hs < 1355041571 168229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh it's too fast < 1355041579 667667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: any opinion < 1355041580 207021 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, it really is faster. cool job mister greg or < 1355041594 254418 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greg Orichards < 1355041595 712173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whoever you are < 1355041596 495089 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linking zalgo ... < 1355041600 979236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file zalgo < 1355041602 487579 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zalgo: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped < 1355041611 454817 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What made it work that time... < 1355041614 229485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./zalgo zalgo: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped < 1355041615 759462 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `./zalgo zalgo: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped' < 1355041620 367755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./zalgo "zalgo: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped" < 1355041632 192703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hah, you actually merged the transactional stuff < 1355041635 106765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that just for the misc. fixes I made? < 1355041646 396912 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And for making it Python X-D < 1355041651 543828 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355041656 464178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./zalgo "hello" < 1355041663 729123 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have made it Haskell. < 1355041665 655596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ./zalgo "hello" | xxd < 1355041665 906899 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infrastructurally it was better set up to be transactional, I just had to change the transact function *shrugs* < 1355041679 241916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: so how hard would it be to make this maintain sequentiality? < 1355041682 526629 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo baz | hd < 1355041683 719969 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :00000000 62 61 7a 0a |baz.| \ 00000004 < 1355041686 450364 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo baz | xxd < 1355041687 414897 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :0000000: 6261 7a0a baz. < 1355041687 647016 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355041693 155075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's with zalgo? < 1355041696 825040 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355041707 503726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sequentiality isn't desirable. < 1355041746 640610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is highly desirable, otherwise HackEgo leaks its optimisations < 1355041775 369600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should be part of the semantics of HackEgo < 1355041789 437379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I run a long-running command and ion runs a short-running command, his command should return immediately. < 1355041802 94728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so you don't know what you are talking about < 1355041805 217737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i am not proposing violating that < 1355041811 719457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1355041816 86406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then what are you talking about? < 1355041824 748681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, only in the case of writes? < 1355041827 445440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maintaining efficiency under reasonable use-cases is the whole point of the system < 1355041838 42119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you make the trade-off of things being as slow as linear plus some overhead in the case of writes < 1355041847 750868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is just as fast except when doing tons of writes at once, /but/ those writes have reasonable semantics < 1355041855 63498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of weird nondeterministic semantics < 1355041911 849163 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Making it sequential would require (much?) more infrastructure. I just don't see it as worth the effort *shrugs* < 1355041985 313255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well, if you have transactionality, then the only infrastructure you need is to coordinate so that the oldest-started writer gets to run the transaction first < 1355042019 462315 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but I'm cheating by making the kernel provide all the interesting architecture now, and it doesn't have something that would work for that :) < 1355042027 797801 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'd need an actual server again. < 1355042067 354285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have it so that a writer relocks if it is not the oldest transaction or something < 1355042071 488783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess getting a transaction list is non-trivial < 1355042102 907842 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1355042105 27065 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all. < 1355042205 303295 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*zzz* < 1355042253 474686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can't sleep! What if it breaks again? < 1355042319 537294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... < 1355042328 249724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "hello" | ./zalgo < 1355042329 828967 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hzalgo: : hPutChar: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1355042337 212293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great. < 1355042354 688328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $LANG < 1355042356 171664 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355042373 465993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "hello" | LANG=en_US.utf8 ./zalgo < 1355042375 207439 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hzalgo: : hPutChar: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1355042380 940655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do that thing? < 1355042407 297709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's UTF-8 < 1355042419 387212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355042443 790127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not utf8 < 1355042445 825355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik? < 1355042487 896149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not over here. < 1355042492 800394 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355042534 209598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hello | runghc -hide-package base -package haskell98 ./zalgo.hs < 1355042539 839346 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ Top level: \ Failed to load interface for `Prelude' \ It is a member of the hidden package `base'. \ It is a member of the hidden package `haskell98-2.0.0.2'. \ It is a member of the hidden package `haskell2010-1.1.1.0'. \ Use -v to see a list of the files searched for. < 1355042567 26358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hello | runghc -package haskell98 -hide-package base zalgo.hs < 1355042572 308725 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ Top level: \ Ambiguous interface for `Prelude': \ it was found in multiple packages: base haskell98-2.0.0.2 < 1355042605 242073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hello | runghc -- -package haskell98 -hide-package base -- zalgo.hs < 1355042609 385526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ Top level: \ Ambiguous interface for `Prelude': \ it was found in multiple packages: base haskell98-2.0.0.2 < 1355042612 996914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hello | runghc -package haskell98 -hide-package base -- zalgo.hs < 1355042617 610545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ Top level: \ Ambiguous interface for `Prelude': \ it was found in multiple packages: base haskell98-2.0.0.2 < 1355044273 15093 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355044351 679842 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1355044965 631584 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355045006 958115 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355045290 142138 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355045442 44540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`git < 1355045443 117449 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: git: not found < 1355045674 830738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1355045680 943271 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6441 < 1355045690 978306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | grep quot < 1355045692 956150 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :addquote \ addquotee \ allquotes \ delquote \ delquotee \ pastenquotes \ pastequotes \ quote \ quotes < 1355045705 191713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/delquotee < 1355045708 188823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/addquotee < 1355045708 299376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355045709 637963 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ [ "$1" ] || exit 1 \ printf "%s\n" "$1" >>quotes \ echo $(qc | cut -d' ' -f1)") $1" < 1355045719 609243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/addquotee < 1355045722 686672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355045724 196300 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355045724 903769 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ foo \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355045730 899516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, these are terrible. < 1355045734 570483 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are Iteratees Foldables? < 1355045735 600728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they all like that? < 1355045747 125236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/addquote < 1355045748 627108 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ [ "$1" ] || exit 1 \ printf "%s\n" "$1" >>quotes \ printf "%d) %s" $(qc | cut -d' ' -f1) "$1" < 1355045771 313364 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This question does relate to Clojure, but only in my motivation for asking it) < 1355045772 295455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quote < 1355045773 524170 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ grep -P -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1355045805 129250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/allquotes < 1355045806 430977 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ nl -w 1 -s ') ' quotes < 1355045823 808254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/pastequotes < 1355045826 742301 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ if [ "$1" ]; then quote "$1"; else allquotes; fi | paste < 1355045835 811084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat quotes | paste < 1355045837 250979 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: quotes | paste: No such file or directory < 1355045838 934898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat quotes | paste < 1355045843 420708 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20342 < 1355045877 596366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ruby -e 'p 1' < 1355045879 40878 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: ruby: command not found < 1355045884 455304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -e 'p 1' < 1355045888 196949 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: -e \ usage: python [option] ... [-c cmd | -m mod | file | -] [arg] ... \ Try `python -h' for more information. < 1355045891 159795 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/paste < 1355045893 334574 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/bash \ if [ ! "$1" ] \ then \ PASTE=- \ else \ PASTE="$1" \ fi \ \ PASTENUM="$RANDOM" \ \ mkdir -p $HACKENV/paste \ \ echo 'http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.'"$PASTENUM" \ cat "$PASTE" > $HACKENV/paste/paste."$PASTENUM" < 1355045997 253580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/delquote < 1355045999 516723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ id=$1 \ expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1 || exit 1 \ head -n $((id-1)) quotes >quotes.new \ tail -n +$((id+1)) quotes >>quotes.new \ diff quotes quotes.new >/dev/null && exit 1 \ printf "*poof*%s" "$(quote $id | cut -d')' -f2-)" \ mv quotes.new quotes < 1355046004 174584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ew. < 1355046063 747251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: http://hackage.haskell.org/package/machines < 1355046138 293365 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wye oh wye < 1355046208 210821 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1355046366 509503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor HackEgo should be able to output ANSI colours. < 1355046366 637544 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355046651 234257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotes < 1355046652 944883 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :429) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later nap in peace < 1355046656 235012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quotes < 1355046657 898281 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ grep -P -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1355046893 282607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python --version < 1355046894 776205 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7 < 1355048363 728128 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355048568 520769 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '\x1b[31mfoo\x1b[0m\n' < 1355048569 549666 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1355048579 299915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was red for me just fine. < 1355048587 781142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/random < 1355048588 564663 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that didn't use to work. < 1355048596 560817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the filtering went? Yay. < 1355048600 376066 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That means I can do stuff. < 1355048618 446880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355048622 322633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Gregor thanks Gregor < 1355048622 499521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355048785 9299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazingly efficient, that Gregor < 1355048792 372477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as haskell is not involved. < 1355048846 302116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/urandom < 1355048855 104380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is the slightest possibility Gregor might consider this behaviour buggy. < 1355048875 471953 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said something about removing a line length limit < 1355048944 473309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Maybe ZZZZ < 1355048953 51814 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :now? < 1355049893 603828 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355049924 912246 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355050497 387088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: isn't this great? < 1355050577 2437 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not grate? < 1355050614 522780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Jafet has neutrino on /ignore too. < 1355050636 830410 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm seeing the whole thing in 100% < 1355050640 377915 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's great" < 1355050658 676169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but are you seeing the pastes elliott is pasting in /msg to me < 1355050670 147502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy gets better pastes < 1355050673 196825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1355050675 975530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have neutrino on /ignore but it doesn't help a bit. < 1355050679 862083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is that true < 1355050686 510583 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355050694 677725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what pastes do you get < 1355050695 21915 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try to implement transitive /ignore. < 1355050720 811404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I consider turning off my IRC client to be equivalent. < 1355050742 179686 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :/lurk < 1355050826 504433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo borken? < 1355050844 779668 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The /dev/urandom must've been too much. < 1355051050 125344 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :our channel is in kinda sorry shape when everyone starts ignoring each other < 1355051097 39848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo abc < 1355051110 490839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders who arcatan is. < 1355051116 114016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why arcatan thinks neutrino is in #esoteric. < 1355051118 78575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcatan: hi. < 1355051126 481772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you are in #haskell! < 1355051128 177830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is cheating < 1355051132 494789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :arcatan = ion, I think. < 1355051147 968027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evidence: Both .fi < 1355051150 425166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both in #-lens < 1355051154 657756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ideally the IRC protocol would just force people to be in one channel exclusively < 1355051170 873541 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1355051173 833252 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is people < 1355051187 924705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: people < 1355051203 43595 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Peepol < 1355051209 73745 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if irc was just one big channel < 1355051221 962661 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's #ubuntu < 1355051234 341131 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if life was just one big channel < 1355051244 505768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: omg < 1355051257 339993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug monqy < 1355051257 496138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1355051259 940968 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is nearing enlightenment < 1355051301 881937 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you got banned from that one channel < 1355051306 360745 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find the remote to change my life < 1355051309 324586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you ever been in #ubuntu < 1355051310 116918 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you die < 1355051311 743278 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no < 1355051324 910931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ubuntu: better or worse than #gentoo???? < 1355051333 44407 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355051333 692865 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd hope that there isn't a bad commercial after you < 1355051354 916395 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never been in #gentoo either < 1355051373 476639 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well have you been to #esoteric? < 1355051392 270576 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pffff i'm only in #life < 1355051393 940774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you should join #ubuntu it's a real experience < 1355051398 96857 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont want to < 1355051406 565786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like being in the biggest party but nothing makes sense and you don't even remember partying < 1355051407 234664 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we merged all the programming language channels, then all those "should I learn Haskell or Scala" questions would be finally settled < 1355051409 479424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it never stops < 1355051411 210594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#life #is #good #hashtags #are #cool #hi #monqy #himonqy < 1355051425 141929 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf < 1355051425 712338 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355051431 148844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no what < 1355051442 538168 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :no #good < 1355051782 488479 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write a monads library for Clojure < 1355051785 531393 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the current ones suck < 1355051801 499485 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sgeo!!!! if it's what the world needs, i support you whollly < 1355051871 187602 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of went on a rant in #clojure < 1355051882 656637 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they have any input < 1355051902 189523 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not about monads libraries sucking, but about threading macros just being another way to use monads < 1355051915 589908 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355051920 779917 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've got their blessing < 1355051951 692373 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, as in, my rant was about threading macros..; < 1355051962 776552 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't really respond to my rant, except for one person asking a question < 1355052041 799913 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The world needs better healthcare, social justice and wealth distribution, but a monads library for clojure surely won't hurt < 1355052365 640306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Who are you, anyway? < 1355052400 359930 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some call me Jafet. < 1355052425 274094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Jafet < 1355052446 747103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1355052447 928178 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have cheater on ignore? he's talking to you.... < 1355052454 826377 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like elliott, and egobot if it hadn't been killed < 1355052455 69010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I saw. < 1355052529 235943 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is neutrino cheater/ < 1355052539 713916 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't been paying attention to this conversation < 1355052543 277710 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355053392 934609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: weren't you going to go to sleep < 1355053393 692513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1355053405 838481 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::)) < 1355053419 883678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :curses! foiled again < 1355053427 141745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys stop being a peanut gallery < 1355053427 298343 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1355053434 387836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll run out of pean- what - uts < 1355053453 575063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott what were those messages? < 1355053453 731310 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355053467 951535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages < 1355053468 107535 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared. < 1355053512 695070 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355053568 385611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: what will your monads library do < 1355053778 81208 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have the user store bind and return functions in dynamically-scoped variables < 1355053821 265367 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does this mean < 1355053827 839504 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1355053832 379360 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1355053866 855628 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than the current libraries, one of which: Uses some macrology to achieve a sort of lexical scoping in some bizarre way, which if you want to actually write a function that uses bind and return, you have to use defmonadfn. The other of which uses a bind based on its argument, and the return function needs to be passed a dummy value of the relevant type < 1355053882 200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can only use one monad at once < 1355053917 3719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355053917 337955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355053917 579330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355053917 927354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355053918 117910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355053920 142546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what the point of a monad abstraction is in a dynamically-typed language really, you don't buy yourself anything < 1355053929 230402 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf.... < 1355053930 388861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what if it's cont < 1355053983 42844 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whell first you have to agree on what a monad "is" < 1355053992 725025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whell < 1355054017 349539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what < 1355054084 870244 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote etiquit, culture, and hackego being broken.............. < 1355054103 137662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: teach me `quote etiquit < 1355054108 965987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and culture < 1355054121 196600 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1 you dont do it when people are talking................................... < 1355054124 515649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "afaict" elliott only does it to disrupt conversations < 1355054128 465998 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1355054130 833657 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is this true < 1355054140 291766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok ok ok s/only/sometimes/ < 1355054149 255397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think once i did it when someone was talking about something really dumb < 1355054155 347522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise i only do it when nothing's happening < 1355054157 829697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like monads < 1355054163 129774 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: could you have done this flagrant violation of etiquit & culture to < 1355054165 818140 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "make a point" < 1355054168 746876 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :0 < 1355054183 152626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's step 2? < 1355054190 569125 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 2 is to let step 1 sink in < 1355054195 496284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs etiquit < 1355054201 748772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1355054209 255193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: OK, done. Step 3? < 1355054220 874861 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 3 can wait............... < 1355054231 375367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't go inductive on me, monqy! < 1355054247 36340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: By the way what's the best constructivist way of constructing the reals? < 1355054259 656727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott says cauchy sequences but that can't be right. < 1355054260 589536 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not well-versed on constructivist ways of constructing the reals < 1355054274 239634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, best regular way of constructing the reals. < 1355054284 247512 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not well-versed on those either!!!! < 1355054292 92068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to be well-versed! < 1355054292 203643 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only one i really "know" is cauchy sequences < 1355054297 383103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just say "dedekind cuts" < 1355054306 674318 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cauchy sequences" < 1355054314 128565 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not like that. < 1355054319 278847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dedekind cuts < 1355055091 935810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355055480 49942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a mechanical proposal for vastly improving the `quote database. < 1355055488 899918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remove all the quotes that aren't by zzo38. < 1355055495 792414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1355055496 222004 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they say that the galadrim wove. it is customary to find out what lay ahead. " they're gone!" he cried. " what did he see to frighten him?" said boromir. " i thought it was from fear that she should impart the secrets of the daughters of the seas and father of the gods and is certainly not entertaining, being in fact very uninteresting except as a handsome young man lifted the sword and thrust with both arms; the blade < 1355055499 626608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1355055501 116459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus < 1355055505 369839 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355055525 77439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You have to change your nick to something with a number on the end. < 1355055527 415645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like monqy1 < 1355055534 606145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then elliott will think you're not total! < 1355055551 560636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355056071 959764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355056220 269749 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :Statimcets < 1355056351 705235 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1355056351 939174 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack* pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1355056389 265324 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355056394 479279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355056765 864046 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355057006 177946 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1355057127 220887 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1355057446 874068 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355057521 828784 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355057654 802106 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355057734 917007 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355057919 689521 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355058053 179088 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355058825 800045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355059354 913977 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355059962 741240 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355061060 987985 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355061254 782187 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355061532 267132 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355064151 707715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1test < 1355064157 788888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14test < 1355064614 821995 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355066237 440150 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it with people named "Elliott" and Haskell? < 1355066267 856136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355066292 517457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :simon peyton-elliott, elliott marlow, elliott kmett... < 1355066305 889374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ørjan elliott < 1355066314 167660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott wadler < 1355066323 749516 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know an Elliot IRL who loves Haskell < 1355066785 32862 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of anyone called Haskell other than Haskell Curry < 1355066912 778809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean haskell elliott < 1355066974 218038 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355067560 867526 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355068346 588612 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355068676 99071 :Statimcets!~augur@208.58.5.87 NICK :augur < 1355068815 199930 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355068928 172045 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355069717 700603 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wondertainment.net/ < 1355069722 707984 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The music is a bit .. clashy < 1355069797 902029 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, mandatory Flash makes baby Tim Berners-Lee cry < 1355069932 846857 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes my computer cry < 1355071569 967867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355071726 52979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1355071766 494295 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their loading bar has 9 boxes D: < 1355071773 675019 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the site's horrible in general < 1355071778 799731 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 please see http://wondertainment.net/ < 1355071782 712176 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think < 1355072111 675763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct; it certainly doesn't work. < 1355072119 275041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is horrible in general. < 1355073446 959159 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1355073496 840639 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355073976 867013 :oklofok!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355074013 723000 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355074559 8914 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i knew a haskell once. no idea if he was named after curry. < 1355074572 341261 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely an odd duck though. excellent taste in music. < 1355076229 676099 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355077393 181947 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355077403 121934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355078299 270332 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://apple.slashdot.org/story/12/12/08/2330225/darling-run-apple-os-x-binaries-on-linux < 1355078483 946764 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo !echo hi < 1355078484 288170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1355078485 312076 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​!echo hi < 1355078505 455869 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Sweet. < 1355078612 486060 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> putStr "Hello" < 1355078614 146690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (GHC.Types.IO ())) < 1355078614 225180 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ... < 1355078617 196248 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/f/g 38 < 1355078626 276622 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Hello" < 1355078627 872377 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hello" < 1355078633 35283 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo > "Hello" < 1355078634 575685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​> "Hello" < 1355078637 307226 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1355078648 840388 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But ANSI colors are now possible. < 1355078679 383372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see mIRC colors are, too. < 1355078776 724690 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That makes more sense I suppose. < 1355079028 424317 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf '\x035,12OH NOOOO\x03\n' < 1355079029 992451 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'5,12OH NOOOO \ ' < 1355079051 730579 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf \x035,12ENJOY YOUR ANEURISM\x03 < 1355079053 163443 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​5,12ENJOY YOUR ANEURISM < 1355079275 403724 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355079385 424562 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/urandom < 1355079386 973327 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1 !?sTO_֌GZ}X?Sd$#3:`Эr@fUj \ ̷˻ל9SfjXHNJy~\}%?(a;~ J^{cGcU# )6\cEHős}En* 8olOSs < 1355079409 378160 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo fungot < 1355079409 883650 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ashikaga takauji: ashikaga takauji was a flattened diamond shape in section. seen in profile, the maidens rewarded the heroes by kissing them and cut one of the competing gangs. ( van dale's groot woordenboek der nederlandse taal) < 1355079410 928388 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1355079415 610698 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355079564 622408 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why does fungot ignore HackEgo? :( < 1355079565 125257 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: as crom is my witness, i'll never go hungry again! < 1355079644 717330 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1355079644 992283 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1355079675 681872 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does fungot use logs of itself to construct its text? It'd better. < 1355079676 228902 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you suceed in building my kali port ( to the same code < 1355079690 523600 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, fungot. I did not suceed. And neither have you. < 1355079691 213358 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i guess so.) i think i'll just push the button under each light, then eventually moved up to an alive esoteric! < 1355079735 20910 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what? < 1355079735 766216 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: even python is guilty of that sometimes get sent in a request to the members of our society to look down to my pants when i wear this top. < 1355079757 503352 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...what? < 1355079758 1951 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: your client is using. don't care about anything else for mac which supports syntax highlighting?? < 1355080529 813638 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355080539 637182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: He doesn't like other bots. < 1355080547 698207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Isn't that right? < 1355080548 329168 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: can someone explain why the arabic, hebrew, arabic, brazilian ( portuguese), dutch, russian, greek, latin. < 1355080582 409355 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I don't think anyone can explain that. < 1355080582 902362 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there are no files, just write a < 1355080871 748066 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355080908 182441 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355081432 610438 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bf ++++++++++[>+++++++>++++++++++>+++>+<<<<-]>++.>+.+++++++..+++.>++.<<+++++++++++++++.>.+++.------.--------.>+.>. < 1355081434 348348 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello World! < 1355081435 909658 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355081579 124580 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355081702 178671 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run du -h interps < 1355081704 442712 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :16K interps/bfjoust/programs \ 288K interps/bfjoust \ 60K interps/befunge \ 200K interps/axo \ 44K interps/glypho \ 600K interps/sadol \ 40K interps/fukyorbrane/programs \ 232K interps/fukyorbrane \ 8.0K interps/gcccomp \ 28K interps/qbf \ 12K interps/whirl \ 52K interps/lambda \ 8.0K interps/ghc \ 24K interps/udage01 \ 20K interps/glass/exa \ 3.6M < 1355081708 942297 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run du -hc interps < 1355081710 753491 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :16K interps/bfjoust/programs \ 288K interps/bfjoust \ 60K interps/befunge \ 200K interps/axo \ 44K interps/glypho \ 600K interps/sadol \ 40K interps/fukyorbrane/programs \ 232K interps/fukyorbrane \ 8.0K interps/gcccomp \ 28K interps/qbf \ 12K interps/whirl \ 52K interps/lambda \ 8.0K interps/ghc \ 24K interps/udage01 \ 20K interps/glass/exa \ 3.6M < 1355081713 413166 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run du -hs interps < 1355081715 715368 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :30M interps < 1355081757 927020 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deprecating Egobot? < 1355081842 446711 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually. < 1355081848 713473 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It ain't there yet, because < 1355081853 537517 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bfjoust suicide < < 1355081855 142630 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: bfjoust: not found < 1355082118 502313 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file interps/bfjoust < 1355082120 116894 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps/bfjoust: directory < 1355082130 76243 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interpreter is there, yeah. < 1355082133 110392 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1355082138 656715 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $IRC_NICK < 1355082140 256660 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355082143 480184 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355082226 988972 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355082242 521698 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run env < 1355082244 28032 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TERM=linux \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ PWD=/hackenv \ HOME=/tmp \ SHLVL=1 \ _=/usr/bin/env < 1355082258 102571 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, it's TOO FAST. < 1355082346 255324 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls && env < 1355082347 848782 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access && env: No such file or directory < 1355082352 60795 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls . && env < 1355082353 772028 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access . && env: No such file or directory < 1355082367 679547 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls "." && env < 1355082369 76718 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access "." && env: No such file or directory < 1355082393 768623 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls "." && env < 1355082395 91413 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o \ TERM=linux \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ PWD=/hackenv \ HOME=/tmp \ SHLVL=1 \ _=/usr/bin/env < 1355083171 970266 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355083228 661103 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, HackEgo seems to be sending me extraneous CTCPs < 1355083239 204559 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I did not ask for < 1355083295 670037 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat zalgo.o < 1355083535 237598 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Several people have died since [...] last month." -- BBC News < 1355083595 244282 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo ... < 1355083602 118705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355083627 833577 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the `cat /dev/urandom might've triggered a CTCP < 1355083680 460923 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: maybe you should at least filter out \x01 to avoid CTCPs < 1355083703 391393 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, HackEgo cannot send CTCPs. < 1355083713 228272 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it did < 1355083717 128719 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Channel CTCP? < 1355083720 503335 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It adds a zero-width space before any output that starts with \x01. < 1355083723 291337 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Received unknown CTCP UjÏ by HackEgo!codu@codu.org with arguments: \ Ì·¯Ë»Ôל“ÚøõÐ9SìÊfjXà¥HN¿öJ·‰Äyð”~\}Œ£%?ß(a;~ J^‚š{ßcGêŽcíUåþŸ¡#Í )6í€ÈÊÄ\§¡ÝcEHő±sð}njE < 1355083734 711930 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that somebody bonked with it before I readded the fix. < 1355083735 451 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some clients don't require it to start with \x01 < 1355083741 833495 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... then some clients are broken. < 1355083742 703921 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some clients allow multiple CTCPs in one message, e.g. < 1355083751 738211 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :is CTCP specified? < 1355083752 944618 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf '\x01ACTION does not do CTCP.\x0`' < 1355083761 311135 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Errr, that was wrong. < 1355083767 152998 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf '\x01ACTION does not do CTCP.\x01' < 1355083772 304157 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, still wrong X_X < 1355083774 238777 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop the ' ? < 1355083790 289347 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo has become unresponsive X-D < 1355083811 78225 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kvirc.de/docu/doc_ctcp_handling.html < 1355083815 723127 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either way, if your client is interpreting anything it's doing since about 9AM PST as CTCP, your client is broken. < 1355083816 739157 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope my `cat zalgo.o didn't do it < 1355083843 953426 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I received it about 1.5 hours ago < 1355083864 46863 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1355083878 885589 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is jdiez some poor unfortunate who got tcp'ed out of nowhere or something < 1355083909 314676 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random CTCPs bring idlers out of the woodworks X_D < 1355083911 293049 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*X-D < 1355083918 955271 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1355083943 37060 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The two delimiters were used to begin and terminate the CTCP message; The origial protocol allowed more than one CTCP message inside a single IRC message. Nobody sends more than one message at once, no client can recognize it (since it complicates the message parsing), it could be even dangerous (see below)." < 1355083951 98598 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355083960 824354 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355083975 356935 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what, I have to filter out \x01 ENTIRELY? < 1355083986 574041 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1355083988 139365 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf '\x01ACTION This should not be a CTCP.\x01' < 1355083989 236554 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​'ACTION This should not be a CTCP.' < 1355083999 83438 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, certainly not like that it shouldn't X-D < 1355084002 810931 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf \x01ACTION This should not be a CTCP.\x01 < 1355084003 833495 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ACTION This should not be a CTCP. < 1355084012 15213 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jdiez: Was that a CTCP ACTION (/me) to you? < 1355084034 157002 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, just a plain CTCP < 1355084045 47580 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What CTCP did the client report? < 1355084050 948770 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What broken-ass client are you using that's interpreting that as a CTCP >_< < 1355084054 367846 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, what CTCP "name"? < 1355084061 45154 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Received unknown CTCP UjÏ by HackEgo!codu@codu.org with arguments: \ Ì·¯Ë»Ôל“ÚøõÐ9SìÊfjXà¥HN¿öJ·‰Äyð”~\}Œ£%?ß(a;~ J^‚š{ßcGêŽcíUåþŸ¡#Í )6í€ÈÊÄ\§¡ÝcEHő±sð}njE < 1355084068 853147 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... no, the one just a second ago. < 1355084070 265769 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, the one just now? < 1355084080 867029 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "This should not be a valid CTCP" mesasge < 1355084081 362560 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I did not get any CTCPs now < 1355084084 668749 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get an ACTION < 1355084085 13114 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :message* < 1355084087 13743 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1355084090 668259 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[21:13:27] -*- HackEgo This should not be a CTCP. < 1355084092 422595 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did get this < 1355084092 736072 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ACTION is a CTCP < 1355084094 713357 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in the channel < 1355084102 23062 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's what Gregor meant < 1355084111 598050 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jdiez: That is a CTCP, and your client is seriously fucking terrible. < 1355084123 904670 :jdiez!~42@178-33-162-138.kimsufi.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1355084160 847505 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf \x01ACTION This should not be a CTCP.\x01 < 1355084161 902872 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ACTION This should not be a CTCP.. < 1355084184 31655 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST for clients that are so, so broken, I'll filter out \x01 entirely. < 1355084370 952151 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat zalgo.o < 1355084577 751911 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo foo < 1355084593 260400 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D it really does freeze hackego < 1355084750 330251 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355084753 896478 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird. < 1355084867 191888 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well now I know what to do when I'm bored < 1355084916 517481 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's counter-productive < 1355084924 714479 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you've frozen him you can't play around with shell commands < 1355084949 941738 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. I meant I'll try to find out why it freezes < 1355084954 240239 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1355085010 905822 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355085021 214026 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355085023 598015 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`printf \x00 < 1355085025 203860 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​. < 1355085028 820327 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that was the problem. < 1355085032 221470 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat zalgo.o < 1355085033 927101 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELF.............>.....................H..........@.....@. .........................HEL9...I8M;...wlHE....H]ID$....ID$o..ID$....ID$...ID$....ID$ID$ID$I$ID$HEHE....A....H....IDž...8...Ae....................9...HEL9rKIM;...w3HE....H]ID$........A........I|$H....IDž..... < 1355085034 438 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355085034 960199 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to suggest that too :P < 1355085037 187311 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1355085037 265830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably it's not "broken" to follow the specification, such as it is. < 1355085037 789669 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Side-effect of switching to Python. < 1355085057 117253 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language did you use before? < 1355085129 447287 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bourne shell 8-D < 1355085174 895008 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you switch? < 1355085196 920145 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, rewriting oonbotti in rc < 1355085228 120197 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott rewrote it to make it transactional, and even though the underlying transactional part was broken, it was easier to use his infrastructure than to rewrite that back in shell. < 1355085235 613216 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds < 1355085303 65990 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355085312 317260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I have a vague feeling the zzo38 IRC client supported mid-line CTCPs. < 1355085329 160847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[2012-01-01 03:49:05] My client parses CTCP requests anywhere in a line. < 1355085363 740035 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, either way, that's "fixed". < 1355085370 909685 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he start writing his client on new years' eve? < 1355085381 646347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You should be "fixed" too. < 1355085382 100628 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i know it does not seem to figure out < 1355085393 36692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You're not "fixed" yet, but you should be. < 1355085393 663770 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are scheme's types, but thats because all the files which are there more libs? i think you should < 1355085416 125050 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I want there to be widdle funglings :( < 1355085518 168717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric : As far as I know, once someone in this channel tried sending CTCP request in the middle of another message, and my client is the only one that responded. < 1355085525 322340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That "someone" was ais523.) < 1355085585 706554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: The client's older than that. It was just discussed around the new year. < 1355085606 866944 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay < 1355085862 291681 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O Sir Patrick Moore died! < 1355085915 857953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will Moore's Law stop working when Gordon Moore dies? < 1355085943 902329 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it already tailing off < 1355085950 79728 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gordon Moore is the first immortal. < 1355085954 405596 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not as then I'd catch up on computational speed with normal people < 1355086008 149089 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gordon Moore's expected lifespan doubles every 18 months < 1355086013 741308 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1355086024 829721 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Gordon Moore's expected lifespan doubles every 18 months < 1355086025 840385 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1355086028 677 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we need a new version of shutup that responds to nortti talking about his outdated hardware < 1355086028 720175 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :861) Gordon Moore's expected lifespan doubles every 18 months < 1355086042 309623 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: agreed < 1355086044 375662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- the 2010 update to the International Technology Roadmap for Semiconductors has growth slowing at the end of 2013,[13] after which time transistor counts and densities are to double only every three years --" I suppose it's kind of tailing off. < 1355086078 898476 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes < 1355086082 617852 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.26869 < 1355086250 457613 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :thay will make a great fortune file < 1355086283 616773 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is the use of `pastequotes with no argument X_X < 1355086286 850425 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could just link to quotes. < 1355086296 704729 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355086303 515778 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run du -h .hg < 1355086306 416007 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.3M .hg/store/data/bin \ 2.1M .hg/store/data/lib \ 16M .hg/store/data/paste \ 12M .hg/store/data/share/_word_data \ 12M .hg/store/data/share \ 8.0K .hg/store/data/wisdom/~c2~af~5c(~c2~b0__o) \ 400K .hg/store/data/wisdom \ 2.5M .hg/store/data/test \ 12K .hg/store/data/maketext \ 44K .hg/store/data/p7zip__9.20.1/_d_o_c_s/_m_a_n_u_a_l/commands \ 108K < 1355086310 322630 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1355086311 803100 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run du -hs .hg < 1355086314 161601 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :87M .hg < 1355086317 930659 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looka this shit. < 1355086390 827674 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086392 117558 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :683) fizzie: What kind of speech recognition do you do? If you only need to recognize famous speeches, like Churchill or something, it should be pretty easy. < 1355086401 157892 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086402 435796 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :75) So, I'm inside a bottle which is being carried by a robot. < 1355086404 512406 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086405 894149 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :738) then they edited their own talk page comments after someone replied to it, and edited /the replier's comment/ so that it made sense in context < 1355086405 967294 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086407 115178 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086407 271648 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :334) I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand. < 1355086408 326542 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :663) well, i have to assume if i'm going to make any asses < 1355086704 969628 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo HOLY SHIT GUYS I'M SO FAST RIGHT NOW < 1355086706 608799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT GUYS I'M SO FAST RIGHT NOW < 1355086737 115469 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo Whoa < 1355086738 624803 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1355086831 301312 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086832 554754 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :718) fungot: Yeah, "fungott" would [...] remind people of elliott. fizzie: now that could be nice for a simple language can be used < 1355086837 269475 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1355086859 132636 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading that after its happend loses the effect somewhat < 1355086871 812991 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote punch < 1355086873 462349 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :163) [spam] Any flavored hell can pee on the pig pen, but it takes a real football team to throw a slyly optimal formless void at a hole puncher. \ 420) Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once. \ 635) ais523: I pronounce "xor" by punching myself in the face and then "or" < 1355086874 394181 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355086883 966150 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086884 39695 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086884 39860 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086884 39948 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086884 40033 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355086884 962579 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1355086885 89664 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could be faster. < 1355086886 815426 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :189) "Every physicist wants to violate Einstein, but thus far the great man has remained pretty chaste." --Kode Vicious < 1355086886 888714 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :48) ??? Are the cocks actually just implanted dildos? Or are there monster dildos and cocks? Or are both the dildos and cocks monster? < 1355086886 888888 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :29) I am not on the moon. < 1355086886 889002 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :810) But I still sign by my pens and use extra dots and shapes and so on so that I can claim I was threatened to sign it and put those dots there to warn you, or whatever < 1355086886 889110 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :662) man, I love pseudo-random decision making kallisti: Man, I base most of my life on pseudo-random decision making. i usually just ask my dick and i then rarely even bother to listen < 1355086888 739268 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wh < 1355086894 162448 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You, sir, lag < 1355086964 395779 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what a slyly optimal formless void is, and how you throw it at a hole puncher < 1355087112 21691 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1355087112 588583 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: it just means i'm always coming and going without so much as " dark side of the conversation). < 1355087220 337380 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Romero < 1355087222 19739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :222) We originally wrote this article in Word, but then we converted it to Latex to make it look more like science. < 1355087298 53604 :ared_!~ared@host249-189-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1355087338 585106 :ared_!~ared@host249-189-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it NICK :xDEADCA7 < 1355087394 780824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Gregor < 1355087519 907089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Did you write it yet? < 1355087523 562251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess not. < 1355087591 8116 :sonicspin!be64c1d5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.100.193.213 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355087597 119811 :sonicspin!be64c1d5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.100.193.213 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1355087604 553073 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome sonicspin < 1355087606 409957 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sonicspin: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355087653 925091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $'\x031a\x032b' < 1355087655 393574 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1a2b < 1355087658 520540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay! < 1355087667 510400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Would cat /dev/urandom still break it? < 1355087678 777032 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/urandom < 1355087680 263236 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xe؍j \ JZ3?%Oj߈9ђ4Nn(\E 48qwc%J6^L/x&4ff1rdeP+[/\"osJL8u\R$J"z5.ellD 1h]|%*"O5wr2Ȥy5fްA[S.lY=ۥnd-XvՐDR7M b7릈SFm*4%hv<[hg2 >+jJ ɍxR|#I?AM1uTAI/o~3 < 1355087692 115256 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Taneb < 1355087693 986561 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb is not elliott, no matter who you ask. < 1355087701 550583 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1355087703 122417 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ԙV`V{b3bcSDr1o6T݌=I$f!KJX}%^aIm߮RѲf-61vżזouLW.@)N;8ѕP/]G?W fBӫȅpV ¼9w < 1355087736 407758 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Taneb have you applied for university yet < 1355087744 895251 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! < 1355087754 116435 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My school's shouting at me so I do now! < 1355087761 264454 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you plan to apply < 1355087777 617140 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :York, Exeter, Edinburgh, Loughborough, Newcastle < 1355087821 66728 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noo < 1355087828 628038 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /dev/random < 1355087841 472966 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you apply to warwick or birmingham we can have the biggest #esoteric meetup ever! < 1355087853 934335 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't got the grades :( < 1355087859 859607 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355087871 410976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1355087877 763842 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, ping re: birmingham university < 1355087909 988188 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can always go to farming school, like Sgeo < 1355087931 622080 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote poultry science < 1355087933 388607 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :169) elliott: My university has two Poultry Science buildings. Two! \ 255) Gregor, yeah, but Purdue has poultry science facilities beyond the dreams of avarice. < 1355087997 975522 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what're you applying for? < 1355088041 100179 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maths and Computer Science < 1355088048 119360 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Birmingham wants A*AA < 1355088051 199813 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got A*A*B < 1355088090 206092 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch. < 1355088143 51268 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are ASes? < 1355088152 279791 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Predicted A2s < 1355088168 793982 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't actually get A* at AS < 1355088170 103190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this some sort of code? < 1355088176 975367 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you could, I would have? < 1355088202 474275 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, England uses letter grades, with A* added on because grade inflation had made an A worthless. < 1355088223 642365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And AS? < 1355088230 340234 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AS is a qualification < 1355088237 498325 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obtained roughly at age 16-17 < 1355088245 601420 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's worth half an A2 < 1355088251 807197 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is obtained at 17-18 < 1355088265 483372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall there was this place (in norway?) which was so strict you couldn't get in with just perfect grades < 1355088269 574188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you confirm that it's some sort of code. < 1355088284 620299 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1355088290 960946 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't completely understand it < 1355088291 357245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you had to have some kind of bonus beyond high school < 1355088294 437738 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, there's a continual stream of horror stories like that in the UK. < 1355088333 848621 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, Warwick and Cambridge both just flat-out expect you to sit their test as well as the national one for maths. < 1355088348 472757 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, it occurs to me I have no idea what you look like < 1355088360 420956 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, there are two people in this channel I know the appearance of < 1355088360 577239 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Me < 1355088362 657449 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Gregor < 1355088370 732132 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for any sufficiently popular education there will be more people with perfect grades applying than they have places < 1355088371 303531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover is invisible. < 1355088383 685306 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *am* a ghost, after alll < 1355088390 812576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look like this: http://slbkbs.org/sb/1.png < 1355088431 476685 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well if you see a young-ish girl with black hair in Hexham, that's probably elliott. < 1355088433 654633 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in norway there is a common system for applications, so i don't think they can make special demands like having their own tests. < 1355088455 431244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't actually know < 1355088458 722769 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, in that case I know at least 8 of elliott < 1355088477 905761 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not entirely sure why Cambridge gets away with it TbH. < 1355088493 294128 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does Oxford < 1355088501 979925 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make me elliott too. though not in hexham. so I suppose not. < 1355088517 295781 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Their test is a standardised pre-interview thing, and it's a lot less taxing. < 1355088546 882656 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know stanford has a similar reputation with grades, they reject loooads of people with 4.1 GPAs and perfect SATs. < 1355088552 662238 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, how old are you, if you don't mind me asking? < 1355088569 293137 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, 22 < 1355088579 415991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom__Hoover, in that case I know at least 8 of elliott <-- elliott has clones? makes sense. < 1355088608 703109 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, not the right age then < 1355088628 607724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :lessee i know what Taneb looks like, because he linked youtube, and ais (well a few years ago), because of the wolfram biography < 1355088645 493823 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I've had a haircut since < 1355088647 198305 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a /lot/ of people doing maths at Warwick because they couldn't get into Cambridge. < 1355088656 738329 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, and turned into a cartoon. < 1355088656 895052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow me too! < 1355088759 715614 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screw it, I'm gonna apply to Birmingham < 1355088832 695728 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you, like < 1355088845 638785 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask your teacher to predict you a grade better in the thing you have a b for < 1355088901 537029 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds totally arbitrary < 1355088909 335357 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355088922 457198 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora also looks like a cartoon, i know that from her tumblr < 1355088938 199751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I am actually a purple-haired Tales character < 1355088942 486702 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1355088946 652030 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, no that's not a cartoon < 1355088950 189534 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a japanimation < 1355088957 614601 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a game, actually :P < 1355088970 903138 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are games not animated < 1355088971 476880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i am using cartoon as the most general term here. < 1355088989 137177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was considering saying manga < 1355088989 703122 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1355088990 539400 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is silly pedantry) < 1355088995 946580 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the fans of it get really pissed if you call it the wrong thing! < 1355089019 234472 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in extra fairness, like half the tales series has somehow ended up with anime adaptations too < 1355089043 422987 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our "end of high school" exams assign a letter grade on the I/A/B/C/M/E/L scale, but at least the technical universities use the actual points (x/60) of the maths exam as an additional differentiator, presumably because of so many L's. < 1355089046 717029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just call it "tegneserie" and claim that all the other terms are completely unpronouncable in norwegian, ok? < 1355089054 765337 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my impression of japanese things is that they exist in at least 5 manifestations in no less than 3 media < 1355089085 722081 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just the mega-franchises really < 1355089088 319687 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, if you do that, eventually nobody in your school gets to go to university < 1355089127 931126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the E was added relatively recently too, to provide better resolution at the high end, it used to go directly to L from M. < 1355089187 172588 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, this is such a stupid system < 1355089246 738399 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it kind of is < 1355089294 684141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not to be confused with the meta-franchises, where you can read a book about someone watching a film about someone playing a game. < 1355089345 808714 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff < 1355089361 681111 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be the sims? < 1355089380 678786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: It would probably be the person watching you play the sims. < 1355089390 40514 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote The world needs better healthcare, social justice and wealth distribution, but a monads library for clojure surely won't hurt < 1355089391 125752 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an LP of the Sims? < 1355089391 203249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You don't think you're at the top, do you?) < 1355089393 261477 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :862) The world needs better healthcare, social justice and wealth distribution, but a monads library for clojure surely won't hurt < 1355089419 187330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linear programming? < 1355089466 837141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone make elliott finish the thing? < 1355089476 911632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"thx someone" < 1355089487 529341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll do it instead and do it really badly. < 1355089499 199152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, constraint: The format has to be the same as the current one. < 1355089659 125458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How do I upload a script to HackEgo? < 1355089762 60150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1355089762 229880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1355089844 371834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1355090235 218236 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(While the topic of education is still vaguely present: do you do calculus in high school in the US?) < 1355090256 194139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... then some clients are broken. <-- the ctcp specification actually says it can be anywhere in the message < 1355090281 72427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, nearly _all_ clients are broken by not allowing it. < 1355090343 162576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: Yes. < 1355090350 343935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO "do" < 1355090460 61264 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah, american schools do a solid year of geometry and then two solid years of algebra? < 1355090498 859409 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a year of algebra, a year of geometry, then a year of algebra < 1355090508 212670 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YOUR FACE IS BROKEN < 1355090512 363069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think trigonometry counts as algebra or something like that? < 1355090518 193650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never quite understood the system. < 1355090535 972517 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trigonometry is always counted as algebra because it's taught idiotically < 1355090553 513726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it depends on the area, every state (and sometimes county) has differing systems < 1355090554 257308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is taught idiotically. < 1355090567 34197 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did algebra I, geometry, algebra II, precalc < 1355090567 346699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only constant. :-( < 1355090576 666135 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355090591 646594 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355090591 757345 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355090591 757484 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355090594 339721 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's stupid that the US splits maths up like that < 1355090612 284756 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 0 < 1355090621 57503 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355090633 871221 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems a very odd way of structuring it, yeah. < 1355090724 192649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | tail -1 < 1355090725 466723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :808) BF derivatives are a cancer running throughout the fringes of the esolang community, and as the fringes vastly outweigh the core, we're screwed. < 1355090753 716631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1355090762 546046 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Precalc sounds ridiculously broad. < 1355090763 585456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1355090763 976728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1355090830 439085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 999 < 1355090840 617811 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355090848 871443 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355090857 691964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | tail -1 < 1355090858 982840 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :862) The world needs better healthcare, social justice and wealth distribution, but a monads library for clojure surely won't hurt < 1355090860 358956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, checking the changeset of that revert 0 was perhaps a bad idea. That's one big list of changes. < 1355090912 969643 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minus EVERYTHING. < 1355090924 79174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355090925 905390 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :232) HELLWORLD! It's like HELLO WORLD, except not *quite*. There is more agony. < 1355090927 300165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355090929 42099 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :135) Never ever use a quote which contains both the words "aloofness" and "gel" (verb). < 1355090930 63381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355090931 644784 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :104) pikhq: from csh type ' exit', is a simple protocol which provides an interface to c. [...] < 1355090932 588092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355090934 199906 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :12) "You're at that stage in your life where you're going to want to do some things in private." --my mom < 1355090935 125225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355090936 908491 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :171) well i just ate some stuff and watched family guy and i own a piano and i'm not wearing socks < 1355090943 648795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HELLWORLD" reminds me of mrtaint.ko < 1355090951 280697 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Hello, World!" // "o, " < 1355090952 709323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Arr.Array i0 e0' < 1355090952 788161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual... < 1355090969 336671 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, you can't do the "five `quote's, then they all appear in a row" thing anymore. < 1355090972 633995 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's TOO FAST. < 1355090973 684432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 171 < 1355090978 424922 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* well i just ate some stuff and watched family guy and i own a piano and i'm not wearing socks < 1355090992 282122 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just introduce `quotes < 1355091000 288732 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :extra benefit: less spam < 1355091023 90062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that would run into line length limits. < 1355091036 234641 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could still send separate messages < 1355091041 700817 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...assuming that's possible < 1355091042 584839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could? How could it? < 1355091059 108216 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't HackEgo :\ < 1355091062 443104 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it can't < 1355091065 266177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e 'foo\nbar' < 1355091066 574122 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo \ bar < 1355091082 421206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what it does to newlines. < 1355091092 364978 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly there's a HACK to do it, but I'm not aware of one. < 1355091101 831262 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :there could be a respond binary < 1355091105 649166 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that could easily be abused < 1355091138 253747 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(one that's supplied by the environment and produces a single line, I mean) < 1355091144 102055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '\x01ACTION blah\x01' < 1355091145 908668 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​.ACTION blah. < 1355091149 529871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1355091156 271953 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e 'foo\x00bar' < 1355091157 800812 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.bar < 1355091170 665638 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did Gregor just take out \x03? < 1355091189 663958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can \x03. And \x1b. < 1355091214 104103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just no \x00 and no \x01. < 1355091244 265080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '\x032so \x1b[31mcon\x035fusing\x1b[0m.' < 1355091245 470987 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​2so con5fusing. < 1355091295 151002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that some clients don't do ANSI colors, perhaps you could use that kind of like the CSS conditional comment things to show different messages to different people. < 1355091342 419684 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My client certainly doesn't do ANSI. < 1355091374 864201 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355091973 632027 :xDEADCA7!~ared@host249-189-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355092143 525739 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1355092199 70405 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, you're doomed < 1355092219 207487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's december 2012 after all < 1355092233 69609 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I now lack a kitchen ceiling! < 1355092254 835404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds serious. you might want to call a carpenter or something. < 1355092262 800452 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo HackBot is the coolest bot. < 1355092263 821821 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We will in the morning < 1355092264 610733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackBot is the coolest bot. < 1355092284 994162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you going to just sit there and take talk like that? < 1355092285 695762 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: just listen to it. do it right, even if it's an engineer model vs. mathematician model thing. < 1355092293 595592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay. < 1355092354 726360 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the matter with \x01? < 1355092363 566189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :\x01 is the future. < 1355092467 817605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to the file name, this manual is the version that has the contents in Danish and "Finish". < 1355092498 379766 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw a book yesterday that was a phrasebook for "Danish, Norwegian, Swedish... and some Finnish." < 1355092499 791118 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they didn't Finnish the translation < 1355092503 122268 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"But only a bit" < 1355092520 738595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finnish < 1355092522 344663 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355092525 524824 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: or rather that's what they did, but to the finnish translation < 1355092528 46355 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355092558 87840 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that, yes < 1355092588 149272 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1355092589 607204 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355092618 70456 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-92-199.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355092622 851600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who tab-complete and then don't delete the space oughtn't exist. < 1355092625 394011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also mentions that I should follow the washing instruction tags in clothing in order to avoid an explosion. < 1355092627 938301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Finnish suomilaiset ei P erkeleistä on hakkapellittään. < 1355092629 738351 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/? < 1355092631 406331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355092631 479616 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355092634 262232 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/?: POSIX shell script text executable < 1355092642 833143 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/? < 1355092644 281594 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z) \ [ -e "wisdom/$topic" ] || { echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; } \ cat "wisdom/$topic" < 1355092650 458108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Finnish suomilaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapellittään. < 1355092653 879273 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355092687 631397 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355092702 404131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Finnish suomilaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapellittaan. < 1355092704 343195 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355092705 982989 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355092717 85277 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, meesed up the wolev armonhwy < 1355092735 287064 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom < 1355092738 507943 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ais523 \ atriq \ augur \ banach-tarski \ boily \ bonvenon \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ egobot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ england \ esoteric \ europe \ everyone \ finland \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ freefull \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ gaspacho \ gazpacho \ glogbot \ gregor \ hackego \ haskell \ hexham \ hom < 1355092743 501482 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355092751 46034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? haskell < 1355092751 279369 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for the diverse highlights < 1355092751 842769 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hom < 1355092752 670248 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbound implicit parameter (?haskell::Wisdom) \ arising from a use of implicit parameter `?haskell' < 1355092753 32557 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hom? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355092767 919641 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? freefull < 1355092769 174233 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure. \ F < 1355092773 378908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/hom < 1355092774 821976 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: wisdom/hom: No such file or directory < 1355092782 738312 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355092783 940285 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355092788 706159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/hom* < 1355092790 86041 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/hom*: No such file or directory < 1355092791 531229 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/freefull < 1355092792 885640 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/freefull < 1355092794 446627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wisdom/h* < 1355092795 897767 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/h*: No such file or directory < 1355092798 570461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er. < 1355092799 181274 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/freefull < 1355092800 121749 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull is either full of freedom or free of fulldom, we are not sure. \ F < 1355092801 487725 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/hom* < 1355092803 100797 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/homestuck < 1355092803 265124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/hom* < 1355092804 810454 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/homestuck < 1355092809 169570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1355092817 93628 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? homestuck < 1355092818 379947 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. Gamzee drives the bus. < 1355092822 431147 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I might have restored a revision < 1355092834 863868 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? c < 1355092836 240743 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is the language of��V�>WIד�.��Segmentation fault < 1355092838 682168 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monads < 1355092840 65390 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads are just monoids in the category of endofunctors. < 1355092846 347688 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1355092846 853936 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: eval `(a b c)) < 1355092847 564783 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be stopped by that sword alone. < 1355092859 675772 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is being lispy I see < 1355092860 515601 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: once the forms are read it, there's an extra special guest coming to visit me at the moment. < 1355092877 896595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Finnish suomilaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapellittaan. Ei saa peittää. < 1355092881 322025 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355092892 903915 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs a parasta ennen < 1355092897 859943 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finns < 1355092898 282319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just adding a necessary warning. < 1355092901 200276 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finns are helpful, albeit grossly overpopulated (cf. 'Finland'). < 1355092912 84735 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Finland < 1355092913 668180 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finland is a European country. There are two people in Finland, and at least nine of them are in this channel. Corun drives the bus. < 1355092916 347049 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid < 1355092917 598932 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object. < 1355092917 961562 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category < 1355092919 361244 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just categories. < 1355092922 182727 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endofunctors < 1355092923 421216 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :endofunctors? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355092928 105068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Finnish suomilaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapellittaan. Ei saa peittää. Parasta ennen! < 1355092928 964595 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endofunctor < 1355092931 537930 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endofunctors are just endomorphisms in the category of categories. < 1355092933 427336 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355092954 58002 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? semigroup < 1355092957 464839 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :semigroup? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355092973 573920 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? friendship < 1355092975 231976 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :friendship wisdom < 1355092993 695890 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? europe < 1355092995 332486 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Europe is the national anthem of the Republic of Kosovo. < 1355093001 916339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Finnish suomilaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapeliittaan. Ei saa peittää. Parasta ennen! < 1355093005 779762 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355093007 712980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, a typo < 1355093083 5340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you, in fact, written in Scheme? Is the Funge-98 source code you always give just a giant sham? #fungotgate < 1355093083 548893 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh i see, and scheme48 would find them there automatically on startup. it's pretty easy to google.) < 1355093096 792330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Finnish suomalaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapeliittaan. Ei saa peittää. Parasta ennen! < 1355093097 500587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The truth is revealed. < 1355093100 228409 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355093140 449032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it now might actually mean something. < 1355093276 351213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finnish < 1355093279 324633 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :finnish? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355093295 556042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: why is none of this showing up in the repository D: < 1355093368 430052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tailing part is just "Do not cover. Best before!", but the initial part is a bit vaguer. < 1355093393 162315 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Because it HATES YOU < 1355093404 953819 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*innish* < 1355093406 792740 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wisdom/*innish*: No such file or directory < 1355093411 170222 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo wtf > wtf < 1355093412 690471 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf > wtf < 1355093413 113694 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1355093415 96140 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo wtf > wtf < 1355093418 543746 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355093421 346253 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls wtf < 1355093423 120924 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1355093424 696911 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wtf < 1355093427 921503 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355093447 811403 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonno, maybe learn is somehow weirdly incompatible with the new setup... < 1355093458 340613 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Finnish isn't a real language. < 1355093462 21004 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355093466 44258 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Finnish < 1355093467 952755 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish isn't a real language. < 1355093471 705904 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh < 1355093482 43066 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Maybe it has issues with Unicode still??? < 1355093484 580678 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ls wisdom/*inni* < 1355093486 105473 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls wisdom/*inni*? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355093489 498581 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1355093492 643292 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom/*inni* < 1355093494 99121 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wisdom/finnish < 1355093521 770506 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn foo/bar this is a test < 1355093523 579680 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/learn: 4: cannot create wisdom/foo/bar: Directory nonexistent \ I knew that. < 1355093531 249567 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You knew that?! < 1355093536 834944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Finnish suomalaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapeliittaan. Ei saa peittää. Parasta ennen! < 1355093540 392189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355093550 544767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Finnish < 1355093553 629050 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish isn't a real language. < 1355093559 676191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1355093582 838643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks very unicode related... < 1355093644 204907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo höm... < 1355093645 286584 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :höm... < 1355093663 285290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo höm... >hm... < 1355093666 331404 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355093669 973039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat hm... < 1355093672 571000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: hm...: No such file or directory < 1355093692 867965 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird < 1355093697 238468 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ë > foo < 1355093700 641887 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355093701 390717 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat foo < 1355093704 608480 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#echo `cat foo < 1355093709 137928 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355093713 258771 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT < 1355093745 928566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ït cöüld pössïblÿ älrëädÿ hävë ëxïstëd. < 1355093747 896794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarr < 1355093748 52701 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye < 1355093765 941226 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat foo < 1355093767 690465 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#echo `cat foo < 1355093808 896765 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo ë > uuunicode < 1355093812 342226 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355093812 445881 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://html9responsiveboilerstrapjs.com/ < 1355093815 793357 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat uuunicod < 1355093817 79679 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat uuunicode < 1355093818 972634 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: uuunicod: No such file or directory < 1355093819 886765 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: uuunicode: No such file or directory < 1355093824 337841 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, debugging time. < 1355093875 274277 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the documentation. < 1355095176 886808 :iamcal!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-farhzzcxwfulwaoq QUIT : < 1355095185 274985 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kgzwvxmgyromsdiy JOIN :#esoteric < 1355095766 444614 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1355096039 404856 :sonicspin!be64c1d5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.190.100.193.213 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1355096192 501 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You guys. < 1355096194 422306 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you Unicode. < 1355096197 511157 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got no fucking clue. < 1355096331 496008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i � unicode < 1355096379 119925 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat uuunicode < 1355096380 902987 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ë < 1355096383 191138 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DID IIIT < 1355096384 952384 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm uuunicode < 1355096387 938053 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355096452 138379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, being 8 bit clean on everything that doesn't need to know unicode should be a good start. < 1355096459 19570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuencode the uunicode. < 1355096475 290699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Finnish suomalaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapeliittaan. Ei saa peittää. Parasta ennen! < 1355096479 362775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355096482 938007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finnish < 1355096484 206490 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish suomalaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapeliittaan. Ei saa peittää. Parasta ennen! < 1355096487 91729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1355096572 95012 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ☃ brrr... < 1355096577 253467 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355096582 734807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ☃ < 1355096584 512507 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☃ brrr... < 1355096589 851236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1355096616 170443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have (indirectly) made a monster... < 1355096620 196927 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn 🐐 <(Unicode goat laments your inability to render Unicode goat.) < 1355096624 619692 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1355096627 198322 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? 🐐 < 1355096629 107997 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​🐐 <(Unicode goat laments your inability to render Unicode goat.) < 1355096647 647511 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was about to add that.. < 1355096672 608908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://☃.net < 1355096736 887356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a snowman? i thought it looked like a catface... < 1355096774 793963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? � < 1355096776 888045 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355096816 400240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know what that is, but google gives a search suggestion of r ay3 65.c om < 1355096821 138028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This terminal does not recognize http://☃.net as a link. < 1355097323 650526 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355097852 748877 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355098535 473474 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pondoc < 1355098535 629445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 43' 0" North, 125 0' 0" East < 1355098548 115441 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan < 1355098582 885251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SPEAK UP < 1355098614 865413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OERJAN < 1355098616 278750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pandoc < 1355098616 504137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sophos.berkeley.edu/macfarlane/pandoc/ < 1355098629 887975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pundoc < 1355098630 122010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about pundoc. < 1355098634 20503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where pondoc < 1355098634 98402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 43' 0" North, 125 0' 0" East < 1355098647 778995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where panda < 1355098647 906938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about panda. < 1355098919 998845 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355098920 74030 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355098920 145740 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355099288 29387 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355099905 888719 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355099946 794227 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355099950 180623 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355099950 253484 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355101416 999852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355101796 431870 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355103009 581964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355103657 20651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^?) < 1355103658 355062 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> Getting (First a) s t a b -> Maybe a < 1355103686 593627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t just < 1355103687 785773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `just' < 1355103687 955142 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `_just' (imported from Control.Lens) < 1355103694 856863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _just < 1355103696 150638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Prismatic k) => k (a -> f b) (Maybe a -> f (Maybe b)) < 1355103763 10290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t identity < 1355103764 154067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `identity' < 1355105540 977921 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355105573 276765 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355107046 874944 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355107397 329322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do it to yourself < 1355107502 553611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Yes I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I'm lying here... but God forgive me... and God help us all... because you don't know what you ask of me. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355107793 48978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :Yes I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I'm lying here... but God forgive me... and God help us all... because you don't know what you ask of me. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355107800 527205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :inb4 elliott rage < 1355107840 18106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened? < 1355107868 213522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :space de-expansion < 1355107891 21650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see. < 1355107896 851554 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1355107898 435309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :Yes I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I'm lying here... but God forgive me... and God help us all... because you don't know what you ask of me. | http://cоdu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355107925 421107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tricksy < 1355107941 904619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Yes I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I'm lying here... but God forgive me... and God help us all... because you don't know what you ask of me. | http://cоdu.org/logs/_esoteric/" < 1355107942 61187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1355107959 685463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Yes I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I'm lying here... but God forgive me... and God help us all..." < 1355107961 130818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Yes I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I'm lying here... but God forgive me.... < 1355107981 230905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> " because you don't know what you ask of me. | http://cоdu.org/logs/_esoteric/" < 1355107981 386875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1355107991 579300 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord 'о' < 1355107991 814075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1355107992 86404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> " because you don't know what you ask of " < 1355107993 440913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : " because you don't know what you ask of " < 1355108015 158051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "me. | http://cоdu.org/logs/_esoteric/" < 1355108015 317670 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1355108022 861671 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "me. | http://cоdu" < 1355108023 55159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1355108033 856966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ".org/logs/_esoteric/" < 1355108034 503258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary search itt < 1355108035 280562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ".org/logs/_esoteric/" < 1355108040 678896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suspect there are more efficient ways of figuring that out. < 1355108043 918525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "tp://cоdu" < 1355108044 46926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1355108060 905720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "me. | ht" < 1355108061 809129 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's easy when you're url hilighter stops at the problem о < 1355108062 341579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "me. | ht" < 1355108076 81332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "tp://c" < 1355108077 411208 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "tp://c" < 1355108086 253381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "du" < 1355108087 614439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "du" < 1355108089 247215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :Yes I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I'm lying here... but God forgive me... and God help us all... because you don't know what you ask of me. | http://cоdu.оrg/lоgs/_еsоtеric/ < 1355108109 723150 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the о is in codu and esoteric, shachaf? < 1355108129 161089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :я,я < 1355108132 125387 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1px off of o in my font < 1355108138 927443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: oh no < 1355108151 525408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix your font < 1355108154 695913 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355108158 805992 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"nо" < 1355108163 758278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :Yes I'll tell you, I'll tell you why I'm lying here... but God forgive me... and God help us all... because you don't know what you ask of me. | http://сodu.оrg/lоgs/_еsotеric/ < 1355108180 32650 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no what did you do < 1355108207 517281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :øh nø < 1355108487 3619 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355109164 452272 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. shachaf. < 1355109169 160387 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :вхыыыыыыыыыы < 1355109397 966166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ḧẗẗp̈:̈/̈/̈c̈öd̈ü.̈ör̈g̈/̈l̈ög̈s̈/̈_̈ës̈öẗër̈ïc̈/̈ < 1355109421 263323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did the : do? < 1355109429 828694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355109445 198972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess none of the punctuation has diæreses. < 1355109462 516039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe my font is just messed up! < 1355109472 574223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something weird happened in copy-paste-land < 1355109488 609232 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"COMBINING_DIAERESIS" sounds like a disease. < 1355109512 828092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMBINING PALATALIZED HOOK BELOW < 1355109525 231717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds rather painful, in fact. < 1355109525 467586 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1355109529 574639 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long do i have to live, doc < 1355109598 455352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMBINING GRAVE-ACUTE-GRAVE < 1355109609 949922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i blame mosh < 1355109614 976684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1355109628 28845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the umlauts disappear if i cat the same file inside mosh < 1355109636 575540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a different server though < 1355109640 108099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are umlauts? < 1355109640 271627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it's a locale difference < 1355109650 492267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're dots anyway < 1355109663 323130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is вхыыыыыыыыыы supposed to be like "whyyyyyyyyyyyy" < 1355109772 255242 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355109803 257643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC recompiles much more quickly when you touch the RTS than when you touch the compiler. < 1355109820 59687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it doesn't have to recompile the compiler at all. < 1355109838 624874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355109841 962081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compiling Haskell is slow < 1355109868 522742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you don't need to do the stage1/stage2 thing. < 1355109874 395212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess you don't really need that anyway. < 1355110085 195750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: So should the new quote database keep an ordering? < 1355110091 13455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ordered quotes are silly. < 1355110135 340485 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ordering per se isn't important, but numbering or otherwise having short, easy-to-remember IDs is, and ordering seems to be the best way to do that. < 1355110143 750729 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except of course that then we keep deleting them, breaking it. < 1355110156 34607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, we're going to make a new system where a quote is identified by a hash. < 1355110158 634065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of the quote.) < 1355110217 886413 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... how about no. < 1355110231 200642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ... how about yes? < 1355110232 449957 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it's like a decimal hash of no more than four digits. < 1355110238 737243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll be base 32. < 1355110241 343819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 32^2 < 1355110242 812305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1024 < 1355110244 255147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 32^3 < 1355110245 660406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 32768 < 1355110256 978746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three characters should be plenty. < 1355110276 299380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gently reminds people of the birthday paradox < 1355110284 977394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. < 1355110289 64374 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1355110296 15524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've already gone through it and figured out how long they need to be. < 1355110303 441039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.2 * sqrt(32^3) < 1355110304 896816 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 217.2232031805074 < 1355110307 425616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1.2 * sqrt (32^4) < 1355110308 717925 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1228.8 < 1355110318 287322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway we'll just take the shortest unique prefix each time. < 1355110321 591675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's "good enough". < 1355110325 807082 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm not gonna stop anybody, I have little investment and the whole point of HackEgo is do whatever you want, but *eh* < 1355110342 775489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Tell Gregor. < 1355110360 384435 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just not memorable at all. < 1355110368 294953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's not memorable? < 1355110395 312631 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three to four base-32 digits. < 1355110395 593681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : I've forgotten already. < 1355110401 296099 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea < 1355110414 549891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's just as memorable as three digits. < 1355110424 1670 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i'm fine with just assigning them increasing integers that don't change when one is deleted < 1355110425 217487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because people are inefficient at remembering things from a small alphabet. :-( < 1355110427 795715 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo a sequence is simpler, "colission-free" and easier to remberer < 1355110439 689534 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jumping from decimal to anything more than about base 12 and it becomes impossible. < 1355110445 675607 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the database way to do it < 1355110463 140915 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just have people type in the whole quote when they want to retrieve the quote. < 1355110466 530464 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, just not deleting numbers seems like the sensible way to go. < 1355110517 702479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If by sensible you mean unsensible? < 1355110530 971333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's suggestion is good. < 1355110549 212933 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, being memorable, sequential AND constant, that'd be terrible. < 1355110614 238717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The number shouldn't be part of the quote! < 1355110619 458686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd mess the whole thing up. < 1355110675 462545 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... dahell? Who's suggesting that? Or are you just pissy about the fact that order of addition affects quote identification? < 1355110677 637295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say quotahto, you say quotayto < 1355110802 935511 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a suggestion < 1355110813 441714 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you specify an id when you add a quote < 1355110821 481826 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's not unique, it doesn't get added < 1355110833 227022 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :then people decide what's memorable < 1355110893 424473 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And make it not indicate whether or not it was added, and hide the quote list for 24 hours after an attempted addition < 1355110901 298841 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And 24 hours before an attempted addition < 1355110985 254738 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant! < 1355110988 391864 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even quintopia's suggestion is better. < 1355111088 864517 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about do whatever the fuck you want because HackEgo isn't a democracy, it's anarchy. < 1355111127 574956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point. < 1355111134 383705 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what do i want < 1355111209 296224 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?????hi < 1355111264 551368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws a chair through the nearest starbucks window < 1355111284 394660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1355111344 247637 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what if the nearest Starbucks is miles away? < 1355111349 383031 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the nearest Starbucks miles away? < 1355111388 202736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :come and see the violence inherent in the system < 1355111477 707751 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP! HELP! I'M BEING OPPRESSED! < 1355111501 570407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote reference < 1355111504 432060 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :94) Darn, now I can't acknowledge the reference you were making. < 1355111525 343043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how wonderfully meta < 1355111695 685593 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a great idea. < 1355111695 841812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355111712 119825 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's assign each quote a number according to the order in which it was added. < 1355111746 420396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look deep into its soul < 1355111749 177080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355111750 981431 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :396) mixing drinks together is like taking all of mozart's works and listening to all of them at once and in general a drink - and most foods - are kind like taking a song and then just taking the average of the notes and listening to it for three minutes. olsner: the point is you don't have to be the composer yourse < 1355111758 747716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355111760 568285 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :48) ??? Are the cocks actually just implanted dildos? Or are there monster dildos and cocks? Or are both the dildos and cocks monster? < 1355111765 407268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355111767 133332 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :516) Yeah, Bashir, just sit there drinking, rather than diagnosing the carpenter mauled in that tragic bonobo accident. < 1355111770 811325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355111772 325668 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :119) how does a "DNA computer" work. von neumann machines? CakeProphet, that's boring in the context of DNA. It's just stealing the universe's work and passing it off as our own. < 1355111775 973236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355111777 754920 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :290) that one doesn't make a lot of sense outside context. Unless it is supposed to be a rather lame joke about STD as in HIV, and so on // HELLO WELCOME TO QUOTE DATABASES 101 < 1355111796 710156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 290 < 1355111802 62059 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* that one doesn't make a lot of sense outside context. Unless it is supposed to be a rather lame joke about STD as in HIV, and so on // HELLO WELCOME TO QUOTE DATABASES 101 < 1355111845 616065 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotwe395 < 1355111846 746690 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quotwe395: not found < 1355111858 725778 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is my terminal being slow. Stop being slow, my terminal. < 1355111980 45364 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355111981 762732 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355111994 568063 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Hi" < 1355111996 114344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hi" < 1355112098 395514 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 395 < 1355112099 515278 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :395) mixing drinks together is like taking all of mozart's works and listening to all of them at once and in general a drink - and most foods - are kind like taking a song and then just taking the average of the notes and listening to it for three minutes. olsner: the point is you don't have to be the composer yourse < 1355112101 71104 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 290 < 1355112102 273495 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :290) A priori one cannot say that post hoc ergo propter hoc the diminishing returns would give; yet under quid pro quo one can agglutinate fabula and sujet into vagrancies untold. See? I'm intellectual. < 1355112133 624473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1355112135 43330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355112135 355406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355112135 643688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355112135 800187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355112136 998782 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :710) I saw a MythBusters show about that. (Or I guess it maybe was a tree.) < 1355112137 489548 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :193) Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) < 1355112137 615936 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :245) Phantom_Hoover: I have just one tvtropes page open in elinks, but my tvtropes.txt "queue" has 38 tvtropes.org URLs waiting for processing. < 1355112137 850060 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :859) Gordon Moore's expected lifespan doubles every 18 months < 1355112138 128973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355112139 497887 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :371) "system is fairly sane imagine if the roomba was called the Robotic Magic Vacuum would you object to that being trademarked I mean phrase trade" oops < 1355112145 224416 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, naturally, forgot to take into account the varying efficacies of arbitrational vantages. < 1355112162 395476 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: monqy tswett despite not on list, Fiora < 1355112201 90333 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you talking about that potato I read? < 1355112363 888427 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1355112372 188128 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know if you've read the potato < 1355112374 335016 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods. < 1355112533 836537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote 395 | fmt -w80 | tail -1 < 1355112535 549419 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :knows what sequences of drinks taste the best < 1355112550 818241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote 395 | fmt -w80 | tail -3 < 1355112552 513685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the notes and listening to it for three minutes. olsner: the \ point is you don't have to be the composer yourself not everyone \ knows what sequences of drinks taste the best < 1355112570 133661 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This fan fic seems good enough overall, but it has a couple of blemishes. < 1355112579 957390 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You fiddle through the pantry, reaching in deep, standing on one foot for balance." < 1355113652 344738 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1355113675 48618 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you should read potatoes < 1355114100 696772 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355114365 802089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :potato reading, the new fad of scrying < 1355114833 864847 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355115042 58757 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355115569 409069 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355115636 783429 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355115643 947214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi < 1355115645 490917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355115652 426517 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355115654 694760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hello < 1355115685 785715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you heard return to the neverhood < 1355115756 354442 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome WeThePeople < 1355115758 532698 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeThePeople: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355115765 229730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn it, it's TOO FAST now. < 1355115781 682153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1355115782 520051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1355115784 135018 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355115790 180173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems slow enough to me. < 1355115792 354130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1355115793 998764 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355115799 823409 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1355115801 271108 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "It's not appreciably slower than lambdabot!" < 1355115802 847178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "It's not appreciably slower than lambdabot!" < 1355115808 490392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hi" < 1355115809 855043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1355115815 768902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @echo @echo hi < 1355115815 930381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = "freenode", msgLBName = "lambdabot", msgPrefix = "shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf", msgCommand = "PRIVMSG", msgParams = ["#esoteric",":@@ @echo @echo hi"]} < 1355115816 8241 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest:"echo; msg:IrcMessage {msgServer = \"freenode\", msgLBName = \"lambdabot\", msgPrefix = \"shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf\", msgCommand = \"PRIVMSG\", msgParams = [\"#esoteric\",\":@@ @ < 1355115816 81250 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo @echo hi\"]} rest:\"hi\"" < 1355115825 667737 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although apparently lambdabot becomes hyper-instantaneous on second request or something??? < 1355115829 469289 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm just lagged. < 1355115829 744204 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah man < 1355115836 813299 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1355115836 886634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1355115837 72321 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1355115846 247690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsnark < 1355115846 403744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1355115846 777312 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1355115849 94749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355115863 894504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you learned lens yet < 1355115874 87860 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is lens < 1355115883 450746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where lens < 1355115883 606216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know nothing about lens. < 1355115887 935146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1355115895 154972 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ lens https://lens.github.com/ < 1355115895 326772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355115897 242897 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1355115902 297485 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/dp/B003L7WF7A/?tag=047-20 < 1355115903 67898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whoops" < 1355115905 220119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where+ lens http://lens.github.com/ < 1355115905 298509 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a 9 < 1355115905 376453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never forget. < 1355115920 235830 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well that link is - oh, no https < 1355115921 106036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: ?tag < 1355115922 920750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355115924 601884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1355115927 682447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ?tag= us! < 1355115931 655752 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what tag= is < 1355115972 436025 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means u steel awr mohnee! < 1355115972 851544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure. < 1355115982 429511 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the link from http://www.thisiswhyimbroke.com/ if that's relevant, maybe the tag is some referral thing? < 1355115995 825576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1355116000 473542 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man this doesn't even have any polynomials above the second degree does it < 1355116002 625424 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pathetic! < 1355116018 302357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you still talking about lens < 1355116029 816488 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mostly just facepalming about the 3(pi-.14) thing < 1355116052 653459 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think lens has polynomials. Am I wrong. < 1355116055 387535 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they put that just above where the 9 normally is, in just the right spot? < 1355116081 822442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sqrt 1221 < 1355116083 363181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 34.942810419312295 < 1355116093 995775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It has algebraic types. < 1355116099 111657 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: bla bla Do Irrationals Really Exist?? bla bla < 1355116111 361051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Sure they exist. < 1355116112 813400 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1221) ** (1/11) < 1355116114 385146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.9081412268565665 < 1355116115 392031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the computable ones do. < 1355116126 683220 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1221) ** (1/111) < 1355116128 139972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0661252990161068 < 1355116129 97841 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the multiple question marks are supposed to indicate that it's not meant as a serious question or worth talking about < 1355116132 672879 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what < 1355116133 952809 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and: does type algebra have polynomials? < 1355116143 858997 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't think it did. < 1355116144 807943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: My answer was not completely serious either. < 1355116154 333407 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blast, i should have known < 1355116177 52614 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 *** 3 < 1355116178 419600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instances for (GHC.Num.Num (a0 b0 c0), GHC.Num.Num (a0 b'0 c'0)) < 1355116178 497583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : aris... < 1355116180 196733 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 ** 3 < 1355116181 707729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8.0 < 1355116189 802390 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell does three asterisks denote? < 1355116194 967419 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typos. < 1355116206 168111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thing with functions on tuples. < 1355116215 700949 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i was hoping tetration for shits/giggles < 1355116225 263063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+1) *** (*2) $ (8,5) < 1355116226 297894 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (***) < 1355116226 875330 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (9,10) < 1355116227 784356 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrow a => a b c -> a b' c' -> a (b, b') (c, c') < 1355116278 722048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (f *** g) (x,y) -- better < 1355116280 56433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `c0' in the constraints: < 1355116280 134636 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Show.Show c0) < 1355116280 208138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1355116286 823244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1355116292 615167 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're doing that just to amuse me, correct < 1355116294 30887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (f *** g) (x,y) :: (Expr,Expr) < 1355116294 862283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1221/111 < 1355116295 475792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (f x,g y) < 1355116296 163826 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11.0 < 1355116297 570097 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(t ****) < 1355116303 20247 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what was that, me. < 1355116303 392203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(t < 1355116308 473745 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (****) < 1355116309 680734 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `****' < 1355116309 837527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1355116309 911936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `***' (imported from Control.Arrow), < 1355116309 912092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it's some weird elementary school division symbol < 1355116315 783282 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :÷ < 1355116322 163053 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ÷ < 1355116322 399393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fd:9: commitBuffer: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1355116328 909483 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bull shit < 1355116330 722293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, not that. on the clock. < 1355116334 211869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :÷ works fine except that lambdabot is broken. < 1355116366 225852 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I can't get the thing at position 11 on that clock to actually equal 11 with either obvious interpretation < 1355116368 201231 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've seen that clock < 1355116372 274564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355116379 681115 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh was the clock linked in here < 1355116384 656485 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess i'll see if I've seen it < 1355116385 395752 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, sgeo, obviously the point is to give it to math majors so that you can watch them explode atchu < 1355116413 24513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f g x = g (g x) in f f f f (+1) 0 < 1355116414 420315 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 65536 < 1355116418 878735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f g x = g (g x) in f f f f f (+1) 0 < 1355116420 594561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: stack overflow < 1355116421 724906 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oy < 1355116422 964462 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: i said it's a weird division symbol < 1355116423 362994 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh < 1355116438 931172 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, the thingy for long division < 1355116439 444505 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1355116461 303891 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :explode in what sense < 1355116465 66143 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn to pay attention < 1355116486 671744 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But 3(pi - .14) != 9 < 1355116507 268095 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the sense ending with you covered in principia mathematica symbology written in blood < 1355116508 907534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3(pi - 0.14) < 1355116510 435680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1355116518 200764 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i havent seen that clock < 1355116520 125804 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now sgeo < 1355116521 272071 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i've seen another clock < 1355116537 220635 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people also buy Math Jokes 4 Mathy Folks [Paperback] < 1355116537 454709 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi < 1355116539 63571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.141592653589793 < 1355116552 676493 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, parse thing. < 1355116558 37250 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see what shachaf did < 1355116571 600858 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 0 < 1355116573 18272 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1355116606 309959 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Some philosophers might take issue with such a Platonist view of the world - this belief in an absolute and eternal reality beyond human existence - but to my mind that is what makes them philosophers and not mathematicians < 1355116612 100943 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scary thing is that it shouldn't even LOOK like multiplication to our eyes in that context but it does < 1355116623 932013 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why shouldn't it? < 1355116624 890260 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to find some math jokes in this book < 1355116627 485495 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watch out, mathy folks < 1355116650 228957 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because Haskell doesn't have a thing where things next to eachother like that is multiplication < 1355116659 685802 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between an economist and a confused old man with Alzheimer's? < 1355116676 243804 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, but it's close enough < 1355116678 35503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: BEATS ME < 1355116679 284265 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The economist has a calculator. < 1355116710 691900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Haskell has a thing where "x y" means "x" < 1355116712 967597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 2 < 1355116714 548043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1355116715 500318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 "hello" < 1355116716 879728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1355116719 822985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi 8 < 1355116721 241184 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.141592653589793 < 1355116726 771786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> pi 1 2 3 4 "hello" < 1355116728 231603 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.141592653589793 < 1355116729 40853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 7 8 9 < 1355116730 518520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1355116732 572106 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that actually a haskell thing or is it a parse thing, because i'm used to parsers giving up like that < 1355116741 413982 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i didn't need five examples but thanks < 1355116745 249933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a misleading lambdabot thing. < 1355116754 180480 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes more sense < 1355116755 741669 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps why does lambdabot have that thing < 1355116762 592425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually "x y" means what "x(y)" usually means. < 1355116771 420826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: because cale. dont ask questions monqy!!!!! < 1355116778 881286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because pointwise arithmetic is useful, in principle < 1355116782 49850 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Caleskell confuseth < 1355116788 930353 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«No instance for (Num (t -> t1)) arising from the literal `3' at :1:0-2» bullshit < 1355116794 366337 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) < 1355116795 484893 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1355116796 889490 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when caleskell had a funky type signature for flip, and (.) was fmap < 1355116801 118213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty (.) < 1355116802 915373 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually can you have functions named 3 < 1355116803 230145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1355116804 924967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :øh nø < 1355116805 242001 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's still fmap....... < 1355116806 124381 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like that < 1355116809 402481 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip < 1355116809 506517 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip < 1355116810 95464 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Still is! < 1355116810 965679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c < 1355116811 39312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b -> c) -> b -> a -> c < 1355116815 180265 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least they fixed flip < 1355116815 710251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1355116820 500531 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy birthday ada byron? < 1355116820 573515 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rad < 1355116825 294137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 actually means "fromInteger (3::Integer)" < 1355116851 24740 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fromInteger < 1355116852 444612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => Integer -> a < 1355116863 482174 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, it's just a thunk that returns 3. < 1355116877 621436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that's not the point. < 1355116889 64536 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355116910 122778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3 :: Double, 3 :: Int, 3 :: Complex Float) < 1355116911 485573 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (3.0,3,3.0 :+ 0.0) < 1355116919 655473 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, 3 as an integer? < 1355116931 591048 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Num MyValue where fromInteger :: Integer -> MyValue; fromInteger x = whatever < 1355116943 215846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, as whatever type you want < 1355116946 451805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 2 < 1355116947 879105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t)) < 1355116947 956989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity chec... < 1355116955 740660 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then what's with the ::Integer in shachaf's type signature < 1355116959 633088 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 3 < 1355116960 899139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a < 1355116968 474944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: (3::Integer) is my special syntax for the Integer value 3. < 1355116983 300999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which isn't polymorphic or anything. It's just an integer. < 1355116993 133173 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what i assumed < 1355117003 339682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty (3::Integer) < 1355117004 537405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integer < 1355117005 341280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty 3 < 1355117006 512549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a < 1355117007 10967 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty confused right now because i thought things made sense and then they didn't < 1355117049 797686 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Basically, you can define an unusual instance of Num and get functions out. < 1355117053 477601 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe learning haskell from a brainfuck derivative/glasswork channel was a mistake. < 1355117082 257458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, which channel are you talking about? < 1355117083 63965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: basically, 3 means you expect it to when you use it as an Integer. for any other type, it gets converted with fromInteger. < 1355117097 604469 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel. jokingly. < 1355117111 979171 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's nominally about esoteric languages and more often about lenses. < 1355117114 843871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is not _necessarily_ a thunk, since it could be done at compilation. < 1355117136 883035 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i can't parse "means you expect it to". means you expect it to what? < 1355117145 488584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355117150 477066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*means what you < 1355117173 358954 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty pi < 1355117174 548322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a < 1355117185 188105 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty a < 1355117186 297221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr < 1355117198 922020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1355117217 819792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This person in #haskell decided that https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monad_(functional_programming) should be their introduction to Haskell. < 1355117218 52500 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, 3 as a literal is "polymorphic"? for what i imagine is a different definition of "polymorphic" than i remember from C++ in 21 Days < 1355117235 939077 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 3 is polymorphic. < 1355117240 331827 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shoulda been Monad_(category_theory) < 1355117243 172836 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ok cool < 1355117259 935896 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is literal 3.0 polymorphic? < 1355117266 287458 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty 3.0 < 1355117266 443642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but less so. < 1355117267 516430 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional a => a < 1355117274 523991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless you use the GHC extension I wrote!) < 1355117278 975955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which might be in 7.8?) < 1355117280 618834 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only morphs to types of floats? < 1355117291 251004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional. < 1355117293 406138 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, what a badly constructed thought that was < 1355117297 904964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating points are the devil. < 1355117299 908809 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use it as a ratio? < 1355117315 129641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3.0 :: Rational < 1355117316 556161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 % 1 < 1355117334 440863 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boy, i hope i can look forward to a generation of programmers using float syntax and thinking accurately that they have a rational < 1355117334 513833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the fundamental meaning, everything else is converted from that type < 1355117343 275841 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floats are the devil, and should not be considered numbers. < 1355117352 668899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not float syntax, Bike. < 1355117358 232354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's decimal syntax. < 1355117362 233970 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in programming it usually is. < 1355117377 34912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many well-behaved types that can express 3.1. < 1355117384 418618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating point values are not among them. < 1355117388 257864 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am aware < 1355117392 555213 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x-- // decrement x < 1355117393 835385 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : x < 1355117401 593412 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now x is decremented < 1355117411 377973 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just imagining someone arguing bout using 3.0 in a non-haskell program and insisting that it's accurate < 1355117424 726077 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.1 does not have an exact representation as a float. Joy. < 1355117451 647195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> x++//increment x < 1355117453 152993 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it's a base ten float, eh, don't be so computerbound! < 1355117453 446877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : x + 1 < 1355117472 958307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Floats are computerbound. < 1355117480 62514 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> --x < 1355117481 55451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cerebro" < 1355117481 413740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `--x' < 1355117482 353255 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't deal in base 10. < 1355117506 877204 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not necessarily, you'd just have to be entertainingly nuts to use floats outside of 'em < 1355117511 266641 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all bases are base 10 < 1355117526 706211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not true. < 1355117544 261428 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm? < 1355117550 926163 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2i ? < 1355117562 322716 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would "all bases are base 10" even mean < 1355117573 415831 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: Not if you follow Postel's Law. < 1355117605 665118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you going to learn lens on 12-12-12 < 1355117611 206964 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any base b, the string "10" in that base represents b. (Might not be true for all bases, but surely for base two, ten, sixteen, etc) < 1355117613 652270 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe < 1355117632 340512 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we won't know until then now will we ! < 1355117638 110642 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1355117653 781507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, he'll learn it on 12-21-12, which will cause the end of the world. < 1355117664 190051 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355117670 744510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: edwardk's talk is on 12-12-12 < 1355117676 554043 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"10" in base 2i is 2i < 1355117677 63692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1355117679 933406 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no problems there < 1355117705 231820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about base 1 < 1355117720 472702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about base balanced ternary!! < 1355117738 773887 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is base 1 even a base? < 1355117743 225787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :balanced ternary is fine < 1355117744 279292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | grep Jafet < 1355117744 439087 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to go read taocp2 again, thanks shachaf < 1355117744 595356 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll grant balanced ternary < 1355117746 43082 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :835) I wonder if Red Alert 4 will use MMIX \ 860) The world needs better healthcare, social justice and wealth distribution, but a monads library for clojure surely won't hurt < 1355117750 660352 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: it's unary. tallymarks. < 1355117769 374072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I suppose that's still 3. < 1355117781 223013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I haven't read any of it! < 1355117782 375465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I? < 1355117787 559788 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty rad < 1355117793 435116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also should I go to http://www-cs-faculty.stanford.edu/~uno/musings.html on Friday? < 1355117795 135826 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should wait for knuth to slightly unfuck his language though < 1355117795 209101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now fibonacci base may have some trouble there < 1355117809 179044 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i mention it because he goes into floats < 1355117810 197506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 is probably 2, i guess < 1355117817 266954 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of fun stuff, like how they're not associative or whatever < 1355117824 563819 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even commutative? i forget < 1355117831 502285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're nothing desirable. < 1355117854 434452 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, they're useful in many contexts, just, as long as you know they're approximate < 1355117856 512364 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is base 1 even a base? <-- could be a problem with the notification of zero < 1355117864 224983 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which most people don't < 1355117866 88896 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1355117871 83418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ieee floats are commutative, afair < 1355117889 536408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's commutative? < 1355117897 618418 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that include snans and infinities, i wonder < 1355117902 591807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+y = y+x, x*y = y*x < 1355117909 740397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so both + and * < 1355117920 922503 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was about to change = to == until i remembered nan :P) < 1355117921 844373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's unexpected. < 1355117959 911944 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355117967 895964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/afair/iiuc/ < 1355117979 468224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't leave the impression i actually read the standard < 1355118004 890408 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not associative though. < 1355118079 51506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that having addition be both commutative, associative and satisfy x+(-x) = 0 on a finite set of representations basically means you _must_ wrap around at some point. < 1355118096 892385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*all of < 1355118139 288911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Associativity is way more important than commutativity. < 1355118194 889356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even with just associativity, 1+1+1+1+...+1 must repeat at some point. < 1355118209 308973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, who needs associativity, even. < 1355118244 539559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :1+(1+(1+(...))) must repeat at some point, given a bounded size representation. < 1355118398 516009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ieee, that presumably happens once you reach 1+x == x by rounding. < 1355118446 863402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while things like Word32 can wrap around back to 0 < 1355118538 57920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have the property (-1)+(1+x) == x for all x, then you are guaranteed wraparound to the beginning. < 1355118575 908509 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many serious mathematicians have attempted to analyze a sequence of floating point operations rigorously, but have found the task so formidable that they have tried to be content with plausibility arguments instead." knuth you're not helping < 1355118576 164172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C int never repeats < 1355118614 741730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ok i guess undefined behavior also works < 1355118865 839088 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, we do have ((u+v)-u)+((u+v)-((u+v)-u)) = u+v I guess < 1355118871 790851 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty much as good as associativity, right < 1355118893 734574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do? < 1355118903 960829 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355118917 531312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \u v -> ((u+v)-u)+((u+v)-((u+v)-u)) == u+(v::Double) < 1355118919 284410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `myquickcheck' < 1355118941 656560 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to knuth. the proof's maybe a paragraph if you want me to dump it. < 1355118983 615010 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does check do? < 1355118993 426454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crashes horribly < 1355119006 325346 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was just lambdabot messing with shachaf. < 1355119008 502038 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355119014 807134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@check \u v -> ((u+v)-u)+((u+v)-((u+v)-u)) == u+(v::Double) < 1355119016 251880 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `myquickcheck' < 1355119020 688775 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355119021 67583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OR WITH EVERYONE < 1355119025 657924 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355119028 43349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it's not broken, @check will generate random inputs and check that your thing holds. < 1355119032 869575 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lambdabot, you should be a bit nicer. < 1355119040 47652 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Golly, that doesn't seem that rigorous. < 1355119048 744560 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355119064 491010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Good enough for programmers, right? < 1355119073 630314 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn straight < 1355119114 420832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's good for that "not obviously false" feeling < 1355119215 217530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for that "obviously false" feeling, in other cases < 1355119240 194234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh my poor ZipList Monad ;_;) < 1355119240 709720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That feeling is good. < 1355119276 155111 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other is false < 1355119309 107493 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\u v -> ((u+v)-u)+((u+v)-((u+v)-u))) (3.79::Double) (14::Double) < 1355119310 533504 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 17.79 < 1355119327 29371 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\u v -> ((u+v)-u)+((u+v)-((u+v)-u))) (-4818::Double) (.3::Double) < 1355119328 528282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:58: parse error on input `::' < 1355119328 606345 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty obviously good < 1355119329 738118 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `obviously' < 1355119329 910952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `good' < 1355119336 405579 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355119376 363482 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think one success and one parse error counts as a proof < 1355119394 470304 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1355119418 51652 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly, haskell doesn't allow .whatever, huh. < 1355119436 89472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :.whatever is evil. < 1355119452 55539 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you some kind of decimal paladin, shachaf < 1355119496 834458 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\u v -> ((u+v)-u)+((u+v)-((u+v)-u))) (-4818::Double) (0.3::Double) anyway this one works too < 1355119498 156264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `anyway'Not in scope: `this'Not in scope: `one' < 1355119498 234227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you ... < 1355119508 157328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Decimal Paladin < 1355119510 713699 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or would if i understood how lambdabot's parsey cutoff thing wored, which I don't. < 1355119511 424182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Base ten a true story. < 1355119517 988649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a certain value of works. < 1355119527 886584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It doesn't actually do a cutoff thing. < 1355119528 319185 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering what "decimate" means it's appropriate, I think < 1355119529 760307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At all. < 1355119545 646123 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's with the > 3 4 thing. < 1355119557 229194 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\u v -> ((u+v)-u)+((u+v)-((u+v)-u))) (-4818::Double) (0.3::Double) -- sing a song < 1355119558 592318 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -4817.7 < 1355119559 474190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 4 < 1355119561 53065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t)) < 1355119561 126382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity chec... < 1355119562 368284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's not parsing, that's type hackery < 1355119564 6905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothin' < 1355119570 57885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work. < 1355119581 198799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 4 < 1355119582 698558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t)) < 1355119582 772104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity chec... < 1355119589 310753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did shachaf do now. < 1355119590 618021 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm confused now, but it's a lambdabot confusion and not a haskell confusion, so i'm gonna go ahead and not care < 1355119605 672860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I got Cale to change it back to normal. < 1355119612 398799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So now lambdabot is just a little more normal. < 1355119617 194227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (.) < 1355119618 367282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1355119622 993544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not *that* much, oerjan. < 1355119623 435115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _little_. < 1355119648 598966 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, why's this channel use such an apparently weird evalbot (speaking of which i thought dot was compose, why would it be fmap) < 1355119669 618610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION belatedly swats shachaf for the base ten pun -----### < 1355119713 914079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Whew. < 1355119724 249310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fmap = (.) for functions. < 1355119740 349695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Mapping a function over the result of another function is like composing the two functions. < 1355119740 912703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a simple generalization. < 1355119748 897164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :simple AND WRONG < 1355119762 718868 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, and here i was thinking i almost maybe understood functors < 1355119815 481604 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(((u+v)-v)+v)-v = (u+v)-v" anyway all of knuth's identities here kind of suck < 1355119871 703190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: just wait until you learn how functions are a Monad. < 1355119873 73482 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and that's only even valid for certain rounding modes. lovely. < 1355119900 284104 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're monads because they're functors and they form a monoid, right < 1355119918 405791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355119931 259702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1355119937 582246 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look when i say something stupid you can say "that's fucking stupid", it'll do me more good than some ellipses < 1355119944 819906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1355119950 462156 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks oerjan < 1355119971 860432 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355120005 319281 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (do x <- sin; y <- cos; return (x^2+y^2)) 42 < 1355120007 16166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1355120054 677598 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :any particular reason you wrote that as a sequence instead of just an expression? < 1355120148 588840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do demonstrate what was going on with (r ->) < 1355120152 194197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> liftM2(+)((^2)<$>sin)((^2)<$>cos) 42 -- OKAY < 1355120153 648346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1355120159 760775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/D/T/ < 1355120196 674530 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just wondering if using the extra variables was supposed to fuck up accuracy or something < 1355120223 557269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was not a float demonstration, it was a function monad demonstration. < 1355120256 325805 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wow. i really fucked that up! < 1355120282 360477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (sin >>= \x -> cos >>= \y -> return (x^2+y^2)) 42 -- see, it's much clearer if you don't involve a "do" in it < 1355120283 919437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1355120425 975459 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355120433 198154 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :muh, in local ghci the do thing doesn't work, says functions aren't a monad I think < 1355120444 244540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::m + Control.Monad.Instances < 1355120447 57827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also upgrade your GHC < 1355120491 488720 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my, it's a full version number behind the one y'all yelled at gregor bout earlier. < 1355120494 173432 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. use Reader < 1355120501 847947 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"same thing" < 1355120502 956785 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355120558 208883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "not the same thing" < 1355120567 865238 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"almost the same thing" < 1355120585 818328 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you doing something wacky here...... < 1355120613 950292 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Monad.Reader is an electronic magazine about all things Haskell. It is less formal than journal, but more enduring than a wiki-page or blog post" cool < 1355120706 743181 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355124489 843378 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355124719 245523 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355125861 999476 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 - 1e-18) ** 6e16 < 1355125863 605433 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1355125880 215685 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> exp (- 6e16 * 1e-18) < 1355125881 735580 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.9417645335842487 < 1355126210 942181 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1355127060 720300 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355127113 665759 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355127138 894922 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355127782 673568 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355127945 493282 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.undefined.net/1/0/?strip=562 < 1355127949 868033 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No he wouldn't. < 1355127965 12666 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A spiral pattern that,,, also... has another form of movement < 1355127972 979839 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be sufficient for him to escape eventually < 1355128006 76870 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, although might be difficult to do that while panicky and scared and no reference points < 1355128099 965561 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So he could escape as long as the featureless white plain has a feature on it? :v < 1355128198 459514 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is that he would go down into it to see how far down it goes < 1355128240 722792 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just wondering if I might've misread < 1355128259 161177 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you mean *moving* in a spiral < 1355128268 844089 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact you even used the word "movement") < 1355128297 986803 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355128300 526334 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats himself -----### < 1355128302 988874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :living humans have trouble walking in a straight line without a reference point. < 1355128323 757455 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if the spiral happened to be horizontal, it wouldn't work, so would also need... another direction of movement too < 1355128339 491274 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you're saying is he needs to ballet through hell. < 1355128345 259969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he wouldn't have a way of ensuring that he was actually moving in a spiral. < 1355128347 641182 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355128393 617043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh pure random movement _should_ get him back to the surface eventually :P < 1355128450 432083 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :living humans are bad at randomness too! gosh, we're so incompetent. < 1355128454 147004 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You'll probably get back in finite time! What are you complaining about?!" < 1355128463 537051 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a whiner :v < 1355128486 410802 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The character was never human. < 1355128491 596568 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that that necessarily helps < 1355128500 784935 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait shit wasn't he an electron < 1355128507 405341 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not half bad at random < 1355128524 410258 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like we have a winning plan < 1355128540 810266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Uh... oerjan does the swatting around here. < 1355128577 837015 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a molecule < 1355128595 936494 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cattle-prods shachaf -----*** < 1355128609 122481 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i wonder. in three dimensions random motion will get you away and all, but what about the direction? if hell extends infinitely downwards would he still be stuck there forever? < 1355128853 452947 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I'm readdicted to 1/0 < 1355128858 847674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :random motion will get you back along any one or two axes, so he should get back to the surface. < 1355128890 961907 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although probably not at the same point, but he can just go randomly along the surface. < 1355128898 579837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*then he can < 1355128914 783304 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus reducing the problem to a 2D random walk :-) < 1355128938 891115 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-1-2.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: brb < 1355128945 101522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: I was getting addicted to not knowing what you were addicted to. < 1355128948 420633 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then he'll return to his starting point! < 1355128949 548905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now I'm having withdrawal. < 1355128966 365365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i thought that was the idea < 1355128976 269976 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, his starting point for eruption from the surface. < 1355128990 526032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, as well as to any other point on the surface. < 1355129003 725181 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah. < 1355129008 600700 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should just fly up and look. < 1355129011 714809 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, there's a large dead bear that's been converted into dirt on the surface < 1355129020 273578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that sounds like a better idea XD < 1355129035 429320 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dead bears are always a good idea. < 1355129038 771616 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355129072 413643 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: so you thought you'd come and get us (re)addicted too? THANKS < 1355129132 318051 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: ) < 1355129142 618210 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously what we need is tailsteak's hamsteaks fanart instead < 1355129308 927835 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 1 / 0 < 1355129310 190069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional a => a < 1355129400 984064 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum 1/0 < 1355129402 944274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1355129416 879005 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unhelpful. < 1355129422 650809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precedence < 1355129449 48440 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum (1/0) < 1355129450 364688 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1355129464 281506 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems bad. < 1355129477 777038 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t signum < 1355129479 60859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a < 1355129485 850127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd assume that's correct ieee behavior? < 1355129553 467878 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so it is. bother bother < 1355129562 396952 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum 1 < 1355129563 758048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1355129577 930955 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it goes to float because of the infinity? < 1355129587 24596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because of the / < 1355129591 624091 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t signum (1/0) < 1355129592 794155 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional a => a < 1355129600 730181 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum (-1/0) < 1355129602 339336 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1.0 < 1355129607 606553 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a float? i thought i just learned it was just a rational < 1355129658 918114 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0 :+ 1) / 0 < 1355129660 255481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN :+ NaN < 1355129664 988370 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum(2/2) < 1355129666 374263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1355129671 15536 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm! < 1355129675 190518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a Double. Rational is just the type used for interpreting decimal notation _before_ converting it to the actual type. < 1355129684 998162 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :botheration. < 1355129695 249905 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1 :+ 1) / 0 < 1355129695 512491 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2/2 < 1355129696 862677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : NaN :+ NaN < 1355129697 18689 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1355129710 252636 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1355129719 180442 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L is so overrated < 1355129723 220642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the default default declaration is "default (Integer, Double)" < 1355129726 311572 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum NaN < 1355129728 179715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `NaN' < 1355129745 210674 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map signum [1/0, -1/0, 0/0, -0/0] < 1355129746 602469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1.0,-1.0,-1.0,-1.0] < 1355129747 522424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except sometimes it's "default ((), Integer, Double)" < 1355129752 906731 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 / 2 < 1355129754 345249 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.0 < 1355129760 479169 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there we go < 1355129772 253184 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I hadn't expected that < 1355129774 706671 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum (-0/0) -- negative 1, hopefully < 1355129776 294645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1.0 < 1355129780 73185 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1355129787 540058 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that L.hs message is essentially just a lambdabot race condition of some sort. < 1355129792 883076 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, I had after the discussion above, but not previously) < 1355129796 668632 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum (1/-0) < 1355129798 238674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `/-' < 1355129798 311337 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1355129798 311506 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `-' (imported from P... < 1355129803 398233 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum (1/ -0) < 1355129803 698549 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. < 1355129805 10055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1355129805 91087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix `GHC.Real./' [infixl 7] and prefix... < 1355129809 840286 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum (1/ (-0)) < 1355129811 269144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1.0 < 1355129868 918317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, nan's have well-defined signs? < 1355129881 206192 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1355129901 682691 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so? < 1355129922 189544 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, NaNs have a sign bit. < 1355129931 861719 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1355129940 958193 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t / < 1355129942 402347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `/' < 1355129944 96271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IEEE nans do have signs. < 1355129946 288463 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (/) < 1355129947 495326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractional a => a -> a -> a < 1355129949 736026 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops < 1355129950 416138 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, 0/0 seems to produce a negative NaN. < 1355129962 763976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whether it's "well-defined" is another matter. < 1355129968 539102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> signum (0/0) < 1355129969 954605 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1.0 < 1355129985 485306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's conceivable it is comparing it to 0 in haskell < 1355129999 580296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than using whatever the C function is < 1355130020 888071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :copysign. < 1355130024 245826 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :signbit. < 1355130044 699022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src RealFloat < 1355130044 844939 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. I feel much better now. < 1355130052 725486 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so 2/2 evaluates to a Fractional because Haskell doesn't want to have two possible result types for (/) < 1355130057 247383 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355130061 230499 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, either. < 1355130062 568166 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But signbit seems to give 128 for both 0.0/0 and -0.0/0 here. < 1355130087 533709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: um Fractional isn't a type, it's a type class. there are several types it can give. < 1355130111 485492 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er right < 1355130117 111319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the best type class: < 1355130118 667081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Real < 1355130118 823494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Num a, Ord a) => Real a where < 1355130118 900726 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : toRational :: a -> Rational < 1355130122 580807 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Told you I wasn't very good at Haskell :v) < 1355130123 79722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it great? < 1355130283 712674 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am just trying to figure out why 2/2 doesn't end up as an integer < 1355130309 742949 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Integer isn't a member of the Fractional type class < 1355130309 916319 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because of the type of (/) you looked at earlier. < 1355130314 834201 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that. < 1355130335 329305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 `div` 2 < 1355130336 876486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1355130343 796104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's integral division < 1355130367 789129 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 `quot` 2 < 1355130369 296909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1355130373 871110 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's faster in general < 1355130375 271647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 `quot` 2 -- or this, different on ne... dammit Deewiant < 1355130376 712494 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1355130392 662110 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, so I was on the right track, just s/type/type class/ :-P < 1355130393 663343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...gative numbers. < 1355130461 183652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :making things polymorphic over different number types was one of the main original reasons type classes were invented. then they found fancier uses. < 1355130706 596680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xffffffff is the NaNniest (single-precision) NaN. < 1355130710 768302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also negative.) < 1355130732 182588 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: monqy Fiora < 1355130750 648019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you people even read that thing? < 1355130762 307667 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: Sgeo|web_ Sgeo|web_ < 1355130852 455348 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355130924 87815 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the record, at least my ghci's signum does not actually look at the sign bit; http://sprunge.us/eUPP -- all NaNs are negative. < 1355130985 173524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :signum x | x == 0.0 = 0 | x > 0.0 = 1 | otherwise = negate 1 < 1355130990 579832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good old GHC. < 1355131010 155389 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Methinks you're doing it wrong, or then my libc is also doing it wrong. < 1355131039 603576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the Report's definition, of course. < 1355131065 245811 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Scratch that, I was doing it wrong. < 1355131184 664567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: http://sprunge.us/hfiP -- it even prints as -nan. < 1355131202 645995 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I was doing it wrong. < 1355131239 579248 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using 'unsigned long long' like that is also doing it somewhat wrong, though it doesn't seem to matter there. < 1355131279 736774 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx1-h-37-10.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1355131359 450422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else except the usual things (not exactly defined representations for either unsigned long long or double) is wrong with it? < 1355131397 85473 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I would've used uint64_t but was writing it in cat > tmp.c and hadn't remembered to #include .) < 1355131449 724453 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I thought at least C11 would've mandated IEEE 754 but I guess not. < 1355131466 112100 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355131490 675839 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case it's a crapshoot anyway. I thought 'double' would be guaranteed 64 bits. < 1355131495 312373 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355131532 836224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *could've* added #ifndef __STDC_IEC_559__ #error "uh what are you *on* there?" #endif to it. < 1355131572 981568 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You still need uint64_t, making sure its sizeof is 8 and CHAR_BIT is 8. < 1355131597 105031 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I need those last two. < 1355131602 558880 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I guess you can be CHAR_BIT agnostic as long as uint64_t is an exact multiple of it. < 1355131614 493861 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that avoid padding bits? Or are those included in CHAR_BIT. < 1355131636 489436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :uint64_t cannot have padding. < 1355131651 899533 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's mandated? Well that's convenient. < 1355131657 827887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it exists at all, it must be a multiple of CHAR_BIT. < 1355131664 651411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not mandated to exist, though. :p < 1355131682 196090 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, but if it doesn't it's a compilation error so that's fine. < 1355131704 885461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also don't think even __STDC_IEC_559__ mandates that byte order needs to be the same for 'double' and 'uint64_t', which would be an issue for the few systems where CHAR_BIT < 64. < 1355131731 251937 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355131800 949721 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :'double' in that case has a known order, though, so you just need to write your integer rightly. < 1355131916 596586 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Two's-complement is also mandated for the fixed-width intN_t, for the record.) < 1355132090 955784 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355132127 919666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The coin toss is the most platykurtic distribution" -- that's an awesome word. < 1355132157 356360 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Platykurtic vs. leptokurtic. < 1355132234 915097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Platykurtic platypus. (An Ubuntu code name?) < 1355132247 885538 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vote for ubuntu, let's submit idea to them < 1355132258 470144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe for their next go-around; they already did a P. < 1355132415 574235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. I reloaded the webmail, and the page was replaced by an otherwise-empty page except for the words "The custom error module does not recognize this error." < 1355132691 628585 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I slept for around 8 hours during the day and I can't seem to fall asleep now < 1355132710 458543 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have a 4 page essay due on Tuesday and had plans to spend Monday working on it < 1355132884 983975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Sleep? What a ridiculous concept. < 1355133352 871303 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355133426 20376 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355134051 8085 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: you could start working on it now, till you get tired < 1355134085 265127 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best method to get sleepy is still to try staying awake < 1355134351 27892 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355134380 792565 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355135346 972655 :micahjoh1ston!~micahjohn@ell.io JOIN :#esoteric < 1355135349 312333 :nortti_!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355135363 791498 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1355135511 720241 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355135642 204572 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355135642 391052 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355135642 816989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355135642 817166 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355135642 817324 :micahjohnston!~micahjohn@ell.io QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355136080 814302 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355136187 410981 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355136297 646788 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355136540 193094 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355136904 321362 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355137562 537487 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355137910 91970 :yiyus_!1242712427@je.je.je NICK :yiyus < 1355141214 829816 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355141242 463586 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1355141953 265093 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zz038 Remember when you wanted { union { float f; unsigned u; }; f = 1.0f; dosomething(u); } be valid C, or at least a GCC extension? Turns out it in fact *is* valid C++. < 1355141953 423831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355142006 123171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: It is? < 1355142076 534459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1355142088 507760 :nortti_!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi NICK :nortti < 1355142129 945639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An union of the form [thing like that] is an anonymous union. -- For the purposes of name lookup, the members of the anonymous union are considered to have been defined in the scope in which the anonymous union is declared." < 1355142134 77334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(C++03.) < 1355142172 536188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I thought you meant using one value of the union after setting a different one. < 1355142186 786207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even gives an example of void f() { union { int a; char *p; }; a = 1; p = "Jennifer"; } "Here a and p are used like ordinary (nonmember) variables, but since they are union members they have the same address." < 1355142240 649644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just the scoping; but using one value after setting a different one is legal C99 and C11, assuming reinterpreting the representation does not end up with a trap representation. (Don't know about C++ in that case.) < 1355142420 836691 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ref. C11 footnote 95: "If the member used to read the contents of a union object is not the same as the member last used to store a value in the object, the appropriate part of the object representation of the value is reinterpreted as an object representation in the new type as described in 6.2.6 (a process sometimes called ‘‘type punning’’). This might be a trap representation." ... < 1355142426 786467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Footnotes are non-normative, but the footnote is the only thing they added (in C99 TC-something, I think), so clearly they believe it's already deducible from the normative text. C99 did remove the explicit mention of it being undefined that C89 had.) < 1355142472 46339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, C89 is the one true C. < 1355142550 752722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://www.iso.org/iso/catalogue_detail.htm?csnumber=17782 "Status: X Withdrawn" < 1355142575 190606 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, k&r c is < 1355142613 155967 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1355142678 442457 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355142783 465407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should clarify, though. < 1355142788 914233 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 That is, the name lookup is done the way you wanted, with the members being considered defined in the scope in which the union is declared. I have not checked whether C++ makes it undefined to read an union member that was not the one last written to. < 1355142789 147293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355143086 997948 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355143278 32879 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355143547 819229 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355144097 194508 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355144126 234442 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355144217 376832 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355144492 124109 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355146439 900247 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355146482 470363 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355147440 463331 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355147469 317301 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1355148095 869819 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355149758 791185 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355149939 623791 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355151316 215565 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355153063 857628 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1355153234 998044 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355153260 190905 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1355153260 513749 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sugar < 1355153260 982337 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaah < 1355153265 164307 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355153499 697276 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-33.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355153517 176904 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I've had about 120% of my recommended daily sugar intake in the past 5 minutes < 1355153654 418927 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm not good at sugar < 1355153668 638176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you do a thing like that < 1355153692 497760 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really fancied some coke < 1355153716 344943 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now this 1.5L bottle is 2/3 empty < 1355153731 581626 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prepares the insulin shots < 1355153830 403629 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably ought to modernize the family-tree library I wrote < 1355153877 347741 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses data-lens < 1355153982 588681 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I don't have Cabal here < 1355154026 689495 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard there is no cabal. < 1355154057 836936 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which will certainly explain why it isn't here < 1355154070 722504 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no < 1355154077 521194 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to get creepy here soon < 1355154086 429555 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, deserted school creepy < 1355154196 608956 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355154199 966167 :Sgeo|school!897d6cbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.108.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355154203 842606 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1355154215 959816 :Sgeo|school!897d6cbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.108.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm suddenly having visions of code I write being used by tryclj.com < 1355154247 646140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|school joins and immediately says something about clojure < 1355154248 897409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :take a shot < 1355154263 601889 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, but I've already had too much coke! < 1355154270 295326 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't have a shot glass < 1355154276 20449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alcohol balances out sugar/caffeine, everyone knows that < 1355154282 386129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[nb: not actually true] < 1355154372 974787 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my experience generalizes I can imagine you conking out in about 1 hour :P < 1355154384 830213 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(due to sugar) < 1355154402 875581 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, that will give me 17 minutes to wake up again < 1355154435 913831 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1355154594 607403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hi, ping < 1355154684 877044 :Sgeo|school!897d6cbb@gateway/web/freenode/ip.137.125.108.187 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1355154830 22480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :apparently people did dumb things to the topic so here's a new one http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355155236 950538 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover TOPIC #esoteric :apparently people did dumb things to the topic so here's a new one | Why not just have +t | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355155672 202023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :apparently people did dumb things to the topic so here's a new one http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355155698 738790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\00314test' < 1355155700 59384 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4test < 1355155706 79023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\003 14test' < 1355155707 413240 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 14test < 1355155715 626931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\e14test' < 1355155716 675231 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14test < 1355155719 784893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm what is ^C < 1355155773 929048 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 according to a thing i found online < 1355155866 516307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how'd i do \003 without the 1 getting included after tho < 1355155870 212071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only this was haskell and i had \& < 1355155887 993135 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1355155943 406232 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e '\000314test' < 1355155944 643411 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14test < 1355155950 836372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheating < 1355155951 763430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :& thx < 1355156187 946086 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.extremetech.com/computing/142881-ibm-creates-first-cheap-commercially-viable-silicon-nanophotonic-chip hmm, nanophotonics < 1355156253 54349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 :: (Int,Int) < 1355156254 876890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (GHC.Types.Int, GHC.Types.Int)) < 1355156254 949976 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising fro... < 1355156271 624283 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was did there used to be an instance < 1355156316 647605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355156504 933936 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1,1) :: (Int,Int) < 1355156506 577694 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1,1) < 1355156590 670554 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355156768 179037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -c 1002 | patch < 1355156772 987434 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file quotes \ Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] \ Apply anyway? [n] \ Skipping patch. \ 1 out of 1 hunk ignored -- saving rejects to file quotes.rej < 1355156782 827559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355156784 810907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm quotes.rej < 1355156787 654156 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355156788 441469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -c 1002 | patch -R < 1355156793 670854 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file quotes < 1355156807 248856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool it works < 1355156810 53717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hg log < 1355156811 962015 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :changeset: 1017:b1a219757d6a \ tag: tip \ user: HackBot \ date: Mon Dec 10 16:26:33 2012 +0000 \ summary: hg diff -c 1002 | patch -R \ \ changeset: 1016:e960263d7a5f \ user: HackBot \ date: Mon Dec 10 16:26:27 2012 +0000 \ summary: rm quotes.rej \ \ changeset: 1015:1cef8e6fa7e9 < 1355156818 275811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool it < 1355156819 103611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"works" < 1355157076 199495 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Why ping < 1355157085 96320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I... forget. < 1355157096 405760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh right I was going to ask if hackego could support ansi colours but it already does??? < 1355157103 183126 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does, yes. < 1355157114 223327 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only characters it rejects now are \x00 and \x01. < 1355157125 928467 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, wait X-D < 1355157126 7714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should remove the dumb botloo pprefix thing imho < 1355157132 336181 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep forgetting what we're talking about. < 1355157146 390730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANSI colors it doesn't filter, but it's not like they'll work for most IRC clients. < 1355157151 56404 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mIRC colors work too. < 1355157169 917177 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't remove the botloo prefix! < 1355157179 13335 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'll end up with botpoo all over the channel < 1355157257 313390 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::[ < 1355157276 403603 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355157312 226459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: right I meant mIRC < 1355157317 994255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: P.S. please remove the botloop thing it's so dumb < 1355158173 170552 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never. < 1355158193 898798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but how about change your mind < 1355158200 57530 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmm < 1355158214 347100 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll CONSIDER scheduling a change of heart. < 1355158502 491998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1355159053 19496 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355159162 885213 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355159189 733897 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355159409 752250 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355160180 938029 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355161490 100977 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :headache + train with screeching brakes = headache^2 < 1355161837 765801 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs369444.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355162291 791419 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs369444.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355162537 441389 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355164463 953502 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm..headache + train with no screeching brakes = no head < 1355164508 852056 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side, no headache anymore < 1355164515 342777 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355164590 327283 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess i know what you're talking about.. have some trails directly in front of my window < 1355164603 903118 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just waiting for the right train to jump on < 1355164619 367933 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone elses train < 1355164784 908234 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355165128 588416 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1355165128 746444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : says: Looks more like lenses reinvented Java Beans. < 1355165156 422927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1355165159 950949 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HaskellBeans :-D < 1355165163 426557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@forget Looks more like lenses reinvented Java Beans. < 1355165163 662145 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355165173 125692 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-: < 1355165187 729466 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone here know where to find gcc 0.9 or 1.0? < 1355165238 440440 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you explain lenses? < 1355165265 699238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on how much haskell you know < 1355165278 632494 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know is they have something to do with getting a stab < 1355165290 789366 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not too great with Haskell (yet) < 1355165473 529070 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355165496 472568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about functors and applicative functors < 1355165642 715300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to "know about functors and applicative functors" to understand lenses. < 1355165656 525087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to know about fucntors and applicative functors to understand lens < 1355165658 175768 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355165664 596056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe GreyKnight was referring to lenses in general though < 1355165741 175920 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I did not know there was a difference < 1355165765 229235 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functors I know about < 1355165792 712498 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will take lenses in general please! < 1355165796 159371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can think of a lens from a to b as a getter and setter pair < 1355165801 123624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b, a -> b -> a) < 1355165806 174026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance < 1355165823 774112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have (a,b) -> b, (a,b) -> b -> (a,b) < 1355165828 96618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get (a,b) = b < 1355165833 427562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :set (a,b) b' = (a,b') < 1355165844 764740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have a SimpleLens (a,b) b < 1355165867 297658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all there is to regular old lenses, really < 1355165877 509479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus some obvious laws like get (set x y) = y < 1355165894 424926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, e.g. create a lens for each field of a record, which can both get the value in that field from a record and set it to something else < 1355165906 200813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can compose them < 1355165909 734497 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the name "lens" have some significance I'm not grasping? < 1355165918 543779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for instance < 1355165926 529648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data SomeRecord = SomeRecord { a :: Int, b :: Int } < 1355165933 531088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1355165936 38152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data SomeRecord = SomeRecord { a :: (Int,Int), b :: Int } < 1355165965 547138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you have a lens for the a field of that record (here you have get rec = a rec; set rec newA = rec { a = NewA }) < 1355165976 269908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can compose that with the lens for the second element of a tuple (which I showed above) < 1355166005 780524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and get the resulting lens acts like: get (SomeRecord { a = (1,2), b = 3 }) --> 2 < 1355166019 499497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :set (SomeRecord { a = (1,2), b = 3 }) 4 = SomeRecord { a = (1,4), b = 3 } < 1355166042 180391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just use this representation: data Lens a b = Lens { get :: a -> b, set :: a -> b -> a } < 1355166052 720971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then get :: Lens a b -> a -> b, set :: Lens a b -> a -> b -> a < 1355166078 652301 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And presumably you could construct lenses to access the other Ints in SomeRecord in the obvious fashion < 1355166083 368397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355166086 379691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: It lets you "focus" on some particular part of a structure. < 1355166098 930558 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, bad puns. Okay. < 1355166104 848787 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just any computed function of that field..right? < 1355166110 344200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :compose :: Lens a b -> Lens b c -> Lens a c; compose lens1 lens2 = Lens { get = \x -> get lens2 (get lens1 x); set = \x y -> ...try writing this... } < 1355166117 322763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I want you to try writing it because I'm too lazy to.) < 1355166123 85406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my new laptop has shipped after all < 1355166128 565289 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the charge is back on the card < 1355166130 951197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no free laptop :( < 1355166145 551233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway the lens library itself uses the same basic ideas, but it uses a fancier representation that lets you write a lot of operations on them more nicely and compose them more conveniently and stuff. < 1355166168 425131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lenses in general are very simple, you can just think of them as a getter-setter pair. < 1355166186 567931 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prisms are a related concept, right? < 1355166194 721766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355166202 166570 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably more punnage) < 1355166239 620521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a lens is: (a -> b, a -> b -> a), you can think of a prism as: (b -> a, a -> Maybe b) < 1355166245 720945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're actually more closely related than it looks < 1355166257 560662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but showing that involves slightly more complicated types < 1355166273 990949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a prism is basically a first class "constructor"... you can put a value in a constructor and possibly take it out < 1355166277 185472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for < 1355166277 432002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo = A Int | B String < 1355166282 420844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have Prism Foo Int, Prism Foo String < 1355166293 143150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A, \x -> case x of A y -> Just y; _ -> Nothing) < 1355166299 898212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (B, \x _> case x of B y -> Just y; _ -> Nothing) respectively < 1355166398 718180 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm how come prisms use a -> Maybe b whereas lenses use a -> b ? < 1355166403 920064 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait < 1355166438 744260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't really see that they're related with those definitions < 1355166461 768563 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lost my train of thought, stupid headache < 1355166507 974923 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, it's still not clear but thank for the kickstart elliott < 1355166545 721743 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i have basic idea now < 1355166570 926194 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also they really do look like Haskell's answer to JavaBeans :-) < 1355166601 663421 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs359440.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355166650 640088 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they seem to be the fashion of this winter < 1355166668 397274 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone is talking about < 1355166679 157879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tomorrow is the ceremonial ground breaking on the boston Green Line Extension < 1355166705 98119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are going to spend 7 years and one billion dollars to extend an existing light rail line about 6km along an existing rail corridor < 1355166723 760042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming there are no additional delays or cost overruns, of course < 1355166791 668091 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds legit < 1355166864 39876 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1355166893 885147 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net NICK :apparently < 1355166913 403220 :apparently!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1355167044 906087 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs361793.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355167230 801412 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fashion < 1355167243 701552 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355167254 173719 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs359440.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1355167261 868486 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumidumidum *sing < 1355167279 360665 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim < 1355167300 105029 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give us a twirl < 1355167312 318264 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1355167317 71119 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm looking good < 1355167560 103603 :nooga_!~nooga@public-gprs361793.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1355167560 440464 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm we have Lens and Prism... what about Mirror? < 1355167583 319841 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could implement reflection-like abilities :-) < 1355167589 721086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is Iso. < 1355167620 60479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sort of likes the idea of renaming Iso to Mirror < 1355167632 843493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it avoids the abbreviation and analogises well with Lens/Prism < 1355167646 278070 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1355167734 171451 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should talk with the marketing guys to change this < 1355168046 360722 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway..you may swat me hard, i'm still not really convinced haskell could be used to implement bigger software projects.. at least while not employing a bunch of scientists as programmers < 1355168065 762106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the 'lens' logo should be http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3b/Dark_Side_of_the_Moon.png/220px-Dark_Side_of_the_Moon.png < 1355168145 20020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is already used to implement bigger software projects by non-scientists though < 1355168153 441674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your claim is too absurd to even need rebutting < 1355168321 129409 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the reference list litarature is a small time < 1355168470 637747 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott are you a student of computer science or sth? < 1355168478 280759 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally, i'm not really convinced c++ could be used to implement bigger software projects... < 1355168500 996304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really convinced that bigger software projects can be implemented < 1355168508 966463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: depends on your definition of "student" < 1355168521 346659 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :on second thought, yes, kmc, i'm not convinced of that either < 1355168524 247733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the idea of implementing bigger software projects in C is more unthinkable than doing so in Haskell anyway, and evidently that happens < 1355168530 782017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh arcatan beat me to it < 1355168534 448869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"C/C++" < 1355168638 364647 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm really not into some religious war or sth..it's just that 70 to 80 percent of software-costs is mostly spent on maintance < 1355168658 934211 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the code i've seen so far seems not be easy maintained < 1355168689 529823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your average Haskell program can well be more easily maintainable than your average C program, assuming competent people for both tasks < 1355168716 862772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is very easy to get lots of things wrong in C that just aren't possible to get wrong in Haskell, and experts get these things wrong all the time < 1355168717 364357 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ight < 1355168722 463988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence the existence of segfaults for reasons other than compiler bugs < 1355168722 964097 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :this discussion is quite elucidating < 1355168740 918692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite hallucinating < 1355168907 967231 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep the experts you are talking about are at first not easy to get, and for this reason not very cheap.. i guess the technique u choose to implement a software solution cannot be decided in general for all time < 1355168946 884636 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you agree so far < 1355169010 680382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not impossible to get those things wrong in haskell either < 1355169031 383702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you are only exposed to those errors in a small subset of the code you write < 1355169042 975706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it is impossible for a Haskell 2010 program, compiled with a non-buggy compiler, that does not use the FFI, to segfault < 1355169059 567347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure but real programs use the FFI < 1355169063 79643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly, those conditions are not usually true < 1355169072 968526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's nothing compared to the fact that a C program uses the FFI every line :p < 1355169141 539651 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is quite possible for said Haskell 2010 program to terminate saying e.g. "head: empty list" or "fromJust: Nothing" < 1355169166 525752 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is hardly better than a segfault < 1355169173 873834 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why I think JavaScript made a mistake in not letting you dereference or call undefined. < 1355169174 633399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is better < 1355169181 719962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that is better in several ways < 1355169190 192983 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they'd just made those return undefined, then it would barrel on endlessly no matter what you did :) < 1355169191 90209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a segfault is just a lucky outcome of undefined behavior < 1355169195 818788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one, there is no security risk < 1355169202 828830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not the kind segfaults imply < 1355169221 739382 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that can matter in some contexts < 1355169227 928652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for two, you know that program will always output that under those conditions -- it is "reasonable behaviour", not just stuff going wrong < 1355169241 929510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for three you get a useful error message :P < 1355169256 228069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, that doesn't mean partial functions are a good thing < 1355169262 156779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're a lot less bad of a thing < 1355169279 283311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird to pick Haskell as the exemplar memory safe language < 1355169296 347933 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re. two: in practice you usually know the other program will always segfault as well :-P < 1355169302 417210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just using memory unsafety as an obvious, universal example of something C does really badly < 1355169303 313424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355169305 242538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no no no no no < 1355169309 969784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: no no no no no no no < 1355169327 618529 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do elaborate < 1355169334 747513 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :last but not least if youthe everyday software programming is that sophisticated.. (it's almost boring) as many of < 1355169334 903399 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what are the biggest headaches experienced by the real maintenance programmers working on e.g. C++ or Java projects < 1355169337 481691 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: C does unsafety very *well*, you mean? < 1355169340 772312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a segfault is a lucky outcome of undefined behavior < 1355169343 361988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you don't get lucky < 1355169345 229062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: good point < 1355169348 400114 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how much programming language features affect that < 1355169368 255980 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you get slightly wrong results < 1355169372 239487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you get permanent data corruption < 1355169377 679692 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you get exploitable security holes < 1355169379 525536 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: In practice if it segfaulted once it usually will segfault the second time as well < 1355169387 499924 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I don't know, usually in my programs < 1355169388 39886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C programmers who treat segfaults as the worst case outcome scare the fuck out of me < 1355169404 562443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure "usually" meaning 99% of the time < 1355169404 959036 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355169410 878969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now run that program in production for 10 years < 1355169415 711413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also expose it to adversarial attackers < 1355169422 768897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some weird shit will happen < 1355169432 236835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bets that 99% is more like 50% in the presence of pthreads. < 1355169432 585717 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a situation I wouldn't want to put a C program in < 1355169450 247128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you would not use C in production or for anything with security requirements < 1355169450 647367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: sounds like an argument Haskell's failure conditions are better < 1355169451 691617 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re. three: there are more tools for finding the cause of segfaults than for "fromJust: Nothing" :-P < 1355169460 55006 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd say it's situational < 1355169479 471952 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes you care about not segfaulting, sometimes it's not that big a deal < 1355169491 650328 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :not having the possibility of segfault* < 1355169500 172299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :again "segfault" is the symptom and it's the mildest of all symptom < 1355169511 456650 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not disagreeing with you on that < 1355169513 116538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a segfault isn't a problem I don't see how head [] can be < 1355169515 381347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like if i said it's ok to get AIDS because having a cough is not so bad < 1355169528 489652 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non sequitur < 1355169533 867592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hella sequitur < 1355169536 619534 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly.. i'm sure haskell has its advatages.. in many use cases < 1355169549 254140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we just say "invalid memory access" instead of "segfault" instead < 1355169559 515331 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'd rather see a C segfault than a Haskell 'head []' when developing something unless GHC's debugging facilities have improved to the point that I can find the latter quickly < 1355169570 189774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use -xc to get a backtrace these days < 1355169583 25381 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: unrecognised flags: -xc < 1355169584 370429 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But okay < 1355169588 596448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another point is that it's a lot easier to write Haskell that doesn't use partial functions than it is to write a C program that has no risk of segfault < 1355169588 868155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a RTS flag < 1355169604 642604 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc: the flag -xc requires the program to be built with -prof < 1355169616 452893 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit annoying but oh well < 1355169624 380041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :again it's weird that this discussion of memory safety is "C vs Haskell" and not "C vs almost every other language" < 1355169636 247266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it was a C vs. Haskell thing < 1355169642 708534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree that GHC's debugging and error-finding tools are shitty < 1355169644 317991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just the subject ate the ject < 1355169653 761384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :originally said the subsubject ate the subject but decided that was redundant < 1355169655 884917 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And yes, it is, but it's not easy :-P Now you have to be very careful about all library code etc < 1355169658 119763 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're still talking about long-term software projects started today, I don't think that C will be the language of choice for many of them < 1355169669 755007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of Haskell tools suck even though these problems should be easier in Haskell < 1355169672 811536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just because it is a niche language < 1355169672 888258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm like 10x more paranoid of C libraries than Haskell libraries < 1355169717 903799 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Right, much (all? I forget) of my argument regards the tooling < 1355169734 7978 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure, I didn't say C is any easier :-) < 1355169771 294275 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-33.elisa.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355169853 87449 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355169872 951127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I would rather maintain a badly-written Haskell program than a badly-written C program at the very least < 1355169891 393073 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're hired! < 1355169912 507164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't necessarily agree with that elliott < 1355169932 918820 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're equally large, I'm not so sure either < 1355169959 967104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea of a badly-written Haskell program is that 10 people worked on it, and each one thought they were super clever, but also fundamentally misunderstood at least one aspect of the language < 1355169973 38686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so it will be full of excessively clever things that don't quite make sense and don't fit together < 1355169987 469138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in other words more like C++ than C < 1355170032 894151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has a lot of problems and badly written C code is a nightmare, but it doesn't have this problem in particular < 1355170037 636746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does depend on context though < 1355170061 759435 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if security is extremely important, and the program will be exposed to lots of malicious input, i will still prefer the badly written haskell code < 1355170069 50142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's generally easier to make a Haskell program less dumb. < 1355170078 774919 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355170084 530805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if security is extremely important I'd rather not be maintaining the program whatever language it's in :P < 1355170086 661655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else treat the C program as untrusted and heavily sandbox it < 1355170118 573864 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that code should be understood and basically easy read if possible.. so putting 10 lines of code into one that makes you look pretty clever is the one of the worst case scenarios when it comes to maintenance < 1355170133 522725 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in real life) < 1355170198 767240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355170209 977703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and haskell doesn't have to be written that way, but it often is < 1355170220 69907 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because most people writing haskell are excited beginners and not seasoned professionals < 1355170258 242460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355170292 465427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can do exactly the same in C < 1355170293 807089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however 1 really clever function that gets used 50 times is better than 50 separate simple functions < 1355170306 427645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'd prefer to refactor the Haskell < 1355170314 182232 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i admit my first impression of haskell was that there are ways to express things shorter without loosing readability < 1355170371 412059 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially handling data stuff < 1355170446 931920 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks to the guys that implemented the lambda calculus in c#.. that would be the next i miss in c < 1355170500 964888 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure the one thing elliott hates more than c is c# < 1355170502 636379 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::p < 1355170509 505318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1355170514 33345 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# is a pretty good language < 1355170516 447723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is memory safe < 1355170535 882214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it supports many styles well, including expressive functional programming < 1355170567 829590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has LINQ < 1355170570 585729 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1355170575 234696 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linq is great < 1355170588 283941 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mono is evolving pretty well so far < 1355170612 282578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1355170830 969262 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355172043 348763 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-17-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: You hit the grey light. It explodes! < 1355172252 505272 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355172593 268784 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355172593 347315 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355172593 420131 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355172611 471676 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355172617 495799 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION puts some self-made xmas cookies into the channel < 1355172786 625717 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1355172817 713066 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355172823 341170 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eat! < 1355172828 973142 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are not poisoned < 1355173100 687685 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355173273 980593 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355173301 366783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355173318 469095 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :boily < 1355173411 30499 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355173524 875312 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1355173917 984033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Apple Maps 'is life-threatening' to motorists lost in Australia heat" < 1355173922 571993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- BBC < 1355174062 29436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not life-threatening, just 'life threatening' < 1355174224 786863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Finnish paper had that (well, similar) headline today too. < 1355174235 830146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guns don't kill people, Apple Maps kill people. < 1355174244 300735 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Australia kills people < 1355174244 779300 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That wasn't the headline.) < 1355174312 597909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fizzie should write the headlines < 1355174345 166118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355174414 134317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We just bought Helsinki-Imatra-Helsinki train tickets (that's about 250 km one way) for two, and they cost substantially less than the local regional traffic tickets we'll need to get to the Helsinki Central Railway Station. < 1355174445 124873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355174466 167767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ryanair and such, you can spend less on a plane ticket than on getting to the airport :) < 1355174473 35069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've also taken a $2.50 metro ride to a $1 intercity bus < 1355174484 241502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're running this "advent calendar" thing where there's every day a new (A, B) pair and a set of particular trains between those points, and it costs fixed 1.50 eur/person. < 1355174525 41409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course it's only valid if bought during that day. < 1355174527 859955 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The local traffic trip is something like 3.37 eur or thereabouts when bought with the RFID card dealie.) < 1355174552 252131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1355174573 171775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have to go on the day of purchase? do they list the city pairs ahead of time? < 1355174615 282419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you just have to purchase today; the travel times vary a bit, but for today's deal it was something like January 7th to January 31st. < 1355174649 409583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And therefore the routes aren't revealed in advance, of course.) < 1355174658 761545 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355174692 547197 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeey here's a thought. < 1355174704 242206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1355174705 130482 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://phantomjs.org/ + some glue code = modern textmode browser. < 1355174709 573581 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355174710 753448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We did have to take the 07:12am train instead of the more human-friendly 10:12am one since the other one was already sold out (it's 11:25pm here so today's deal was quite old), but still. < 1355174715 709675 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355174725 894667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was < 1355174733 270887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite far away from any thought I was expecting you to tell me < 1355174748 103602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "local traffic tickets" do you mean a local train or something else? < 1355174750 522093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PhantomJS is an optimal solution for" not sure they know what "optimal" means < 1355174751 983106 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Probably over a year ago we (or perhaps not you at all) were discussing how shitty text mode browsers are ;) < 1355174759 669724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have been me < 1355174761 737171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are very shitty < 1355174767 781949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a beautiful, elegant, awesome browser that celebrates craftsmanship < 1355174776 915935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc++ < 1355174792 713056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what is that referencing? I thought I knew but now I don't. < 1355174855 135589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet explorer, right? < 1355174926 76403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://addons.heroku.com/bonsai < 1355174968 688634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1355174987 369914 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The Helsinki/Espoo/Vantaa/Kauniainen regional area has pretty much just one type of tickets for trains/subway/buses/trams, so I mean those. (There's one price for in-city traffic, and another for the four-city zone... and then it gets more confusing, since the regional traffic... conglomeration sells bus-and-train tickets also for the neighbour municipalities, while the railway company ... < 1355174993 375183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... sells train-only tickets for those places, with completely different pricing schemas; but that's not really relevant any longer; and anyway who'd want to go there?) < 1355175017 864781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Uh, and Kauniainen counts as Espoo for the purposes of local traffic, because it's an enclave city kind of thing. Finland's last one, in fact.) < 1355175037 296122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355175066 104619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: did you count where you'd need to put those ...s < 1355175078 1427 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think by 2015 they have a new thing where they set up new fare zones and forget the actual city boundaries, since they're not terribly logical. (The new zones are roughly circular bands around the Helsinki centrum.) < 1355175084 17819 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, it was splitlong.pl. < 1355175103 919731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it does that??? < 1355175106 136987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fancy < 1355175128 528066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it puts what you /set splitlong_line_end to the end, and splitlong_line_start to the start. < 1355175140 513530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they default to " ..." and "... ". (Or maybe the spaces are implicit.) < 1355175151 964038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(No, they're explicit.) < 1355175192 964896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have splitlong_line_end of "\" and splitlong_line_end of "" for a kind of a programmer's approach. < 1355175244 928230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitlong_line_end = "HEY WAIT A SECOND JUST GONNA INSERT A LINEBREAK HERE" < 1355175252 743365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :splitlong_line_end = "OK AS I WAS SAYING: " < 1355175256 304785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1355175262 149088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I copied the mistake from fizzie's line < 1355175318 695085 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, elliott, that's a HEY WAIT A SECOND JUST GONNA INSERT A LINEBREAK HERE < 1355175323 501969 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK AS I WAS SAYING: great idea. < 1355175342 687193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK AS I WAS SAYING: HEY WAIT A SECOND JUST GONNA INSERT A LINEBREAK HERE < 1355175343 20409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK AS I WAS SAYING: HEY WAIT A SECOND JUST GONNA INSERT A LINEBREAK HERE < 1355175343 582974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK AS I WAS SAYING: HEY WAIT A SECOND JUST GONNA INSERT A LINEBREAK HERE < 1355175347 552439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want that kind of a loop. < 1355175372 206280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what happens if you do set them long enough to result in that.) < 1355175381 915979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suspect it's going to explode.) < 1355175576 626432 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355177916 158166 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355178459 831677 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Excess Flood < 1355178467 996084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355178629 429777 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1355178709 567570 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sundown is a zero-dependency library composed of 3 .c files and their headers. No dependencies, no bullshit." < 1355178712 677418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fuck that "code reuse" bullshit < 1355178733 589269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :real hackers etc < 1355178759 966539 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see kmc has never tried to install an edwardk package < 1355178862 398957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Does it still depend on a C compiler? < 1355178870 293944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so I won't use it. < 1355178878 322344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Hackers can compile C by hand < 1355178880 518062 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hah < 1355178885 644810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise how would you know it's secure?!?!? < 1355178971 212060 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one more and i start to think it was ironic :p < 1355178983 785758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you hear NumInstances is out of lambdabot? < 1355179017 787112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1355179018 804023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1355179020 389582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :story? < 1355179049 711272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was confusing someone in here. < 1355179052 908815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told Cale it was confusing. < 1355179055 50915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He took it out. < 1355179060 283908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool! < 1355179072 741747 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now 14:32 man shachaf is the death of fun in #haskell ;) < 1355179186 784151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is the death! < 1355179332 707983 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355179428 377769 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Caleskell documented anywhere? < 1355179493 723595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :L.hs < 1355179495 4916 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :documented only in the cries of horrified and confused beginners < 1355179513 991068 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just avoid lambdabot on Malbolge Mondays < 1355179520 894054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when @run runs Malbolge instead of Haskell < 1355179637 320920 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@run 2+2 < 1355179647 654395 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355180096 304705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? finnish < 1355180098 270753 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish suomalaiset ei Perkeleistä on hakkapeliittaan. Ei saa peittää. Parasta ennen! < 1355180116 613097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott!!!!!!!! < 1355180121 416992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you write the new `quote? < 1355180139 908659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ wc -l qdb.py < 1355180140 146141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 qdb.py < 1355180161 473042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So? < 1355180163 726706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upload it! < 1355180264 920835 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :120 lines! for adding a line of text to a text file? < 1355180438 668978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1355181206 308313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote headache + train with screeching brakes = headache^2 hm..headache + train with no screeching brakes = no head On the plus side, no headache anymore < 1355181209 516077 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :862) headache + train with screeching brakes = headache^2 hm..headache + train with no screeching brakes = no head On the plus side, no headache anymore < 1355181620 396971 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355181714 333491 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [after discussing Haskell lenses] they seem to be the fashion of this winter < hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim < 1355181717 756709 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :863) [after discussing Haskell lenses] they seem to be the fashion of this winter < hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim < 1355181718 328133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355181720 433631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355181722 666550 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355181738 422740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [after discussing Haskell lenses] they seem to be the fashion of this winter hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim < 1355181741 694061 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :863) [after discussing Haskell lenses] they seem to be the fashion of this winter hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim < 1355181756 362886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "discussing lens", surely. < 1355181761 496514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess it was just lenses in general < 1355181762 914042 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1355181765 82649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're not Haskell-specific! < 1355181777 927050 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi oerjan < 1355181786 607776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps that should go in lam... oh it's not here < 1355181790 975710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi hagb4rd < 1355181810 749309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 863 < 1355181815 159197 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* [after discussing Haskell lenses] they seem to be the fashion of this winter hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim < 1355181850 769064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote [after discussing lens] they seem to be the fashion of this winter hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim < 1355181853 627312 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :863) [after discussing lens] they seem to be the fashion of this winter hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim < 1355182019 118788 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JEEZ guys, double space. < 1355182021 139103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S IMPORTANT. < 1355182068 200152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : but it's nothing compared to the fact that a C program uses the FFI every line :p <-- that darn C-to-C ffi, so convenient but dangerous < 1355182101 892941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? no double space around [...] in..cisions < 1355182143 650962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wrong word. < 1355182169 499158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: that quote follows the standards. < 1355182191 661436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1355182195 691016 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuts in the quote = incisions, makes sense < 1355182198 955160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wasn't entirely sure himself < 1355182229 373012 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo HALP GUYS I'M TOO FAST < 1355182230 842970 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HALP GUYS I'M TOO FAST < 1355182239 453734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: want me to de-optimise hackego? < 1355182244 500199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares if it's the right word if it means something vaguely similar to what you mean < 1355182260 552549 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be cool if UML could be made to blow up if you try to write. < 1355182262 216110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'echo sleep 0.1 >> .bashrc' >> .bashrc < 1355182280 180823 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blow-up-on-write is clearly the best write policy. < 1355182298 518376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can do that < 1355182300 699535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a custom FS < 1355182315 443811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be very long with FUSE < 1355182338 22314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: in fact you could unionfs the normal FS and a FUSE empty-but-stops-everything-on-any-write FS < 1355182355 231765 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'snot a bad idea. < 1355182385 89334 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether the current slowdown is mostly launching UML or `hg status` though. If it's the former, then there's not much point to piling more on that ;) < 1355182390 998063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the latter would send a message to the hackego supervisor stuff < 1355182393 50306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would then kill -9 < 1355182411 512515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well it should be easy to time them with python < 1355182428 894809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I forget, what does your UML use as init? < 1355182429 559454 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm sooooo laaaaazy :( < 1355182436 119826 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Its own custom thing. < 1355182447 481478 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :init just mounts some shit then runs what you asked. < 1355182462 185541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I was wondering what the init itself is < 1355182465 285665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could micro-optimise it < 1355182493 780503 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt that it's the problem, probably the kernel is, but: https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/umlbox/src/802cc63695cab6922b1b1f8c7815612c4f8dc3a4/init.c?at=default < 1355182526 814393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh right, you could probably save a good amount of time by stripping down the kernel < 1355182545 427896 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^´ < 1355182552 406143 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to figure out if I can remove the bogomips calculation. < 1355182556 44132 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty retarded and takes time. < 1355182558 942751 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't find it though. < 1355182564 423256 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather, can't find an option for it. < 1355182681 224109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it occurs to me that you don't necessarily need to use hg status < 1355182692 203128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could compare the dir trees with diff or something < 1355182696 331919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect hg status is not super-optimised < 1355182709 165184 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite probably. < 1355182711 286857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run tree | paste < 1355182716 861210 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.1294 < 1355182736 637679 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :| `-- \357\274\267\357\274\245\357\274\254\357\274\243\357\274\257\357\274\255\357\274\245 lolwut < 1355182737 791630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: in fact... it may be that how UML/UMLBox works means files always change inode on being modified? < 1355182744 418216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: found fungot failure, fix fast! < 1355182746 895345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would let you check whether anything changed superfast < 1355182767 207257 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I doubt it. < 1355182768 6691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why is all the EgoBot stuff in HackEgo... < 1355182774 954276 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm working on merging them. < 1355182797 594721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could at least put them in a separate bin directory so the `/! separation could be maintained and `ls bin` didn't give a bunch of crap < 1355182811 41393 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355182821 448435 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*waaaah* < 1355182825 949353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fabulous! < 1355182827 70604 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1355182848 43566 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I don't WANT to maintain the `/! separation) < 1355182864 355079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can still separate the paths < 1355182871 406204 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is fungot's twitter stream doing these days? < 1355182871 976246 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: this is prob a premature question... but what would it do? where were you from? < 1355182874 632683 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I could. < 1355182879 194069 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Offline. :/ < 1355182879 935571 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: maybe that's your unicode goat in UTF-8 < 1355182882 117222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interps/ too < 1355182890 336324 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355182894 553933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow < 1355182895 441974 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: 's not that many characters... < 1355182896 444277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm paste/* < 1355182897 708320 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*bytes < 1355182898 170183 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I keep forgetting to restart the poster script. < 1355182899 631160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should speed things up < 1355182904 32054 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355182904 267339 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1355182919 912964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355182922 381457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not a good idea < 1355182924 764814 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355182950 16771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: by the way what should I call hg diff -c "$1" | patch -R < 1355182961 980637 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahaha < 1355182966 266525 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: backout? < 1355182969 538154 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's WELCOME < 1355182975 62431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking "undo" < 1355182979 523403 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: X-D < 1355182994 837755 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: backout is the mercurial name for a similar operation. < 1355183032 380867 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME FireFly < 1355183034 674407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : probably not a good idea <-- wait why not < 1355183042 732277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: because logs < 1355183047 707642 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/perl: 3: Cannot fork < 1355183048 677242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I bet HackEgo would be faster if it used git < 1355183054 872834 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Quite probably. < 1355183056 340288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are the logs in paste/ ? < 1355183061 961982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I like how you broke "perl". < 1355183065 959984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the EgoBot stuff. < 1355183067 48421 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But I'm still not sure if hg is even the slow part. < 1355183070 863307 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohlol X-D < 1355183073 546486 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/perl < 1355183076 931516 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355183080 565169 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering wtf was going on there X-D < 1355183080 877976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean references from the logs to paste/ < 1355183087 504179 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME FireFly < 1355183089 937301 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​FIREFLY: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMA < 1355183093 189976 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perfect. < 1355183095 327997 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, thanks < 1355183100 561574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1355183100 727071 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1355183103 294102 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll make sure to check out that wiki < 1355183111 101716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: P.S. nice Unicode failure pls fix? < 1355183123 111173 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have any clue why that happened X-D < 1355183129 870755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks rm bin/perl is a bit of an incomplete solution to this problem... < 1355183138 274027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I note that this is a good argument for the !/` distinction :P < 1355183143 189564 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/WELCOME < 1355183144 712964 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/WELCOME < 1355183160 510949 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell? < 1355183161 716823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The Unicode failure is on HackEgo's part < 1355183165 54387 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm bin/perl must be a step in the right direction though < 1355183168 794359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"INFORMA��" < 1355183174 784087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should .decode('utf-8') before length-limiting < 1355183188 733822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you need a loop since IRC's bounds are probably byte-based < 1355183191 156095 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just want Python to treat it as raw, 8-bit crap. < 1355183191 833464 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but beware, there may be more copies of perl) < 1355183206 817761 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: ...so you want that to be fucked up? < 1355183224 156330 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Cutting off mid-character is not a significant problem. < 1355183254 727161 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHWAIT is it displaying like that because it cut off mid-character so my client went “ehhhh Latin-1” < 1355183256 457022 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355183313 113173 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run WELCOME Gregor | head -c 3 < 1355183315 663501 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​G < 1355183320 330844 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tee hee, tee hee ^^ < 1355183332 220778 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I guess that's why it's broken for me too < 1355183350 138474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $LANG < 1355183351 414791 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355183352 371648 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was kinda hoping that output wouldn't have to be valid UTF-8 though... < 1355183354 29294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: fix that :( < 1355183380 134128 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I will, but not whilst at work. < 1355183402 843695 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to make it so that if it fails to decode as UTF-8, it just does bytewise limiting. < 1355183431 470705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "that" I meant LANG being unset < 1355183437 510896 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1355183443 676070 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANGuage is for losers though. < 1355183451 713674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd fix the head -c 3 thing < 1355183465 715322 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I chose 3 precisely so it'd output what I expected X-D < 1355183472 918436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's still a bug < 1355183476 259508 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>: ( < 1355183482 362980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem with limiting UTF-8ly is that it's hard to maintain byte bounds without just chopping off one char at a time until it's fixed < 1355183561 396443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355183606 690866 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANGuid LANGuages. < 1355183654 732701 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm thinking, (1) decode as UTF-8. If it doesn't decode, just use bytes. (2) Cut it off to a byte limit, then decode in a mode I'm hoping Python provides, “throw bad shit away”, (3) Re-encode and send < 1355183709 452327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That sounds much worse than just while len(encoded) < limit: str = str[:-1]; encoded = str.encode('utf-8') < 1355183733 604384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(After you do pre_decoded_str = pre_decoded_str[:limit]; str = pre_decoded_str.decode('utf-8')) < 1355183739 420749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So most of the time it'll never even get into that loop) < 1355183756 702164 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I want to preserve incorrect strings. < 1355183764 208006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does have that mode, though, unless I misremember. < 1355183771 34161 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwait, no, you mean for (2). < 1355183773 432585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you trying to decode? < 1355183775 294630 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, mine is considerably more efficient. < 1355183779 55616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, I mean < 1355183783 174625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after you do str = str[:limit] < 1355183795 46580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Throwing bad shit away is so gross :( < 1355183842 19426 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bad shit only occurs at the end of the string because you cut it off. < 1355183850 303348 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only run (2) if the whole string is valid. < 1355183877 198346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355183879 519296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are gross & bad < 1355183929 543060 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale < 1355183931 33919 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="zh_TW < 1355183941 212404 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fixed. < 1355183967 165758 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355183986 706369 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355183986 778207 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355184010 889085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1355184025 609272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1355184025 765592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale < 1355184027 649446 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​二 12月 11 00:00:26 UTC 2012 < 1355184027 831722 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=zh_TW.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="zh_TW.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="zh_TW < 1355184029 150023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor................... < 1355184029 800178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355184030 967744 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355184034 198708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc < 1355184038 507691 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: no input files < 1355184044 597947 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? välkommen < 1355184047 470566 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :välkommen Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.) < 1355184051 153378 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn, guess I'll have to install the locale files for gcc! < 1355184054 823787 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1355184075 39544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: um should that first word be there? < 1355184082 987672 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask me < 1355184084 407359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm wisdom/välkommen < 1355184085 93331 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't add it < 1355184086 51322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :malformed < 1355184088 290830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355184170 77968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott hates swedish, clearly < 1355184181 221190 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words --swedish 50 < 1355184183 290164 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355184185 429486 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mationel omspellet oordrin paschef byggorna vintränas avtalls duellt förmer systationat vidualera ten efter bakplatselet dånadegra skadespens omvänden örordnarna abordningar iakonia skockens munikat bedräggnit derna råddar < 1355184216 682752 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, he's not in the best mood today < 1355184247 44109 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right hm < 1355184252 958053 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which words < 1355184254 801744 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/words < 1355184277 720536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could, instead of trying UTF-8 or not, make it an option whether it is UTF-8 or whether it is single-byte encoding. < 1355184309 167232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.)" >wisdom/välkommen < 1355184310 807070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.)" >wisdom/välkommen < 1355184314 355479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355184316 739723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.)" >wisdom/välkommen < 1355184319 674961 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355184325 421713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? välkommen < 1355184327 71793 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej och välkommen till den internationella knutpunkten för design och distribution av esoteriska programspråk! För mer information, se vår wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För den andra sortens esoterism, pröva #esoteric på irc.dal.net.) < 1355184345 868444 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You should make a combined SE/NO/DK welcome, like they have in shampoo bottles and the like. < 1355184357 150981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1355184388 364163 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...or not. < 1355184426 181176 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1355184429 322514 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue Dec 11 00:07:08 UTC 2012 < 1355184432 130668 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Piff < 1355184434 486370 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale < 1355184439 205982 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_MESSAGES to default locale: No such file or directory \ locale: Cannot set LC_ALL to default locale: No such file or directory \ LANG=fi.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="fi.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="fi.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="fi.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="fi.UTF-8" \ LC_MO < 1355184447 51515 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear X-D < 1355184459 473686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fäncyssä < 1355184470 403316 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why that didn't work. < 1355184490 215110 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh. < 1355184491 175663 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1355184492 967923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti 11.12.2012 00.08.12 +0000 < 1355184497 55111 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There we go. < 1355184504 608553 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now the vast majority of the channel should be happy. < 1355184509 523940 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo fail > /fail < 1355184511 59851 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: /fail: Lupa evätty < 1355184518 650124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti < 1355184521 646225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuesday starts with "ti" in finnish? < 1355184534 703848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Tiistai. < 1355184551 262821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOMEONE DID A LAZY BORROWING < 1355184557 317729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maanantai, tiistai, keskiviikko, torstai, perjantai, lauantai, sunnuntai. < 1355184578 839959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wed is literally "middleweek".) < 1355184585 696594 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in german, then < 1355184612 752442 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Praise be to Tyr's Day! < 1355184652 122238 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :päivämäärä < 1355184657 292576 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though personally I'm quite looking forward to Odin's Day. < 1355184662 654091 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only word i know in finnish < 1355184697 524976 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope it was right this time < 1355184710 485635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :google did not complain < 1355184716 796010 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls q < 1355184717 700236 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like Freyja's day personally < 1355184717 953336 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: tiedostoa q ei voi käsitellä: Tiedostoa tai hakemistoa ei ole < 1355184728 693457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this locale. < 1355184742 40306 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: It is a good day. < 1355184759 737533 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how to ask a girl for a 'date' < 1355184779 456016 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, it seems that's not the actual etymology of friday < 1355184788 432172 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I've been taught that it is at one point < 1355184825 725780 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually Frigg. < 1355184863 842323 :micahjoh1ston!~micahjohn@ell.io NICK :micahjohnston < 1355184878 614428 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently some argue that Frigg and Freyja might be the same goddess < 1355185087 87543 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to a german source frigg was the wife of odin.. not the same as freyja.. though both are associated with marriage < 1355185151 948343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: how does the combined SE/NO/DK text work? < 1355185210 977501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :half-heartedly, usually < 1355185469 665891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1355185530 624618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no christmas without christ, no thursday without thor < 1355185560 748974 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote no christmas without christ, no thursday without thor < 1355185564 510119 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864) no christmas without christ, no thursday without thor < 1355185565 842221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by vectron's beard! < 1355185570 928595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hej/Hei och/og välkommen/velkommen till/til den/det internationella/internasjonale/internationale knutpunkten/knutepunktet/knudepunkt för/for design och/og distribution/distribusjon av esoteriska/esoteriske programspråk/programmeringsspråk/programmeringssprog! För/for mer information/informasjon, se vår/vores wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (För/for den andra/andre/anden sortens/typen/sort esoterism/esoterisme, pröva/prøv #esoteric < 1355185592 381393 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like that, yeah < 1355185596 523733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(danish may contain errors) < 1355185640 557908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : på irc.dal.net.) < 1355185643 607376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of those triplets are so close, why bother? < 1355185660 362770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely! sometimes they don't. < 1355185660 776251 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all just English with a funny accent, why bother? < 1355185675 933825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like reading NO if you know SE should be no harder than reading EN youtube comments if you know non-idiot EN < 1355185679 254878 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mostly because they are so close ;) < 1355185699 815899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should just take the coolest looking word from each triplet < 1355185711 91741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any amusing false cognates between these languages? < 1355185714 963838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You're just not watching the right videos. < 1355185729 96110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it seems they bother with och/og but not when it comes to long words. < 1355185779 320922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no:pule = en:fuck, sv:pula = en: er, does anyone know a word for that... < 1355185793 653990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dit hår er skadet og slidt/slitt/slitet", starts this "DK/N/S" shampoo bottle. < 1355185820 239500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Dit" is wrong for norwegian :P < 1355185831 722630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"og" is wrong for swedish. < 1355185851 931527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"er" also wrong for swedish, i think < 1355185855 27078 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Det har mistet/förlorat sit naturlige cement, som giver/ger håret styrke og smidighed." < 1355185864 154121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's all kind of lazy. < 1355185900 483848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hårets overflade/yta bliver glat/slät og glansfuld." < 1355185949 282193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should print one language in red and the other in blue and then everyone in school gets a bit of cellophane of the appropriate color < 1355185961 748039 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fordel shampooen i fugtigt hår, massér/massera, og skyl ud/skölj ur." < 1355185972 900828 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also NO and DK are closer to read than SE, usually. while DK is far away in pronunciation... < 1355186008 197735 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: reading NO is probably easier tahn reading three languages intertwined < 1355186017 491478 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :than* < 1355186023 444442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1355186028 204800 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it symptomatic for similar cultures (neighbours devided by some historical reasons for example) that they often look for its own identity by cultivating these small differences? dunno, but these phenomena are found not only on national but almost every level .. < 1355186060 294075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also isn't norwegian actually two languages < 1355186086 357926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: see: serbian, bosnian and croation, which afaiu are even closer than the scandinavian languages < 1355186094 44391 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :regions, districts,..yes.. even lovers shit < 1355186095 266413 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's two written forms but only one spoken? < 1355186097 807424 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea < 1355186099 10265 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks < 1355186105 712369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1355186118 678819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Serbo-Croatian is the only European language with active digraphia, using both Cyrillic and Latin alphabets. The Bosnian and Serbian varieties use both alphabets while the Croatian variety uses only the Latin alphabet" < 1355186122 708798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuppppp < 1355186122 783204 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no one bothers with including nynorsk in these multiple translations :P < 1355186141 440201 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nynorsk is the one that's closer to old norse, right? < 1355186158 611614 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly closer, perhaps. < 1355186176 606415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.e-allmoney.com/coins/eur/img/1bos2YAcnbra00.gif < 1355186232 963243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 convertible mark coin < 1355186308 224983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hei og velkomne til det internasjonale knutepunktet for design og distribusjon av esoteriske programmeringsspråk! For meir informasjon, sjå wikien vår: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For den andre sorten esoterisme, prøv #esoteric på irc.dal.net.) < 1355186338 476821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bosna i hercegovina / босна и херцеговина < 1355186374 991103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you may now play "spot the difference") < 1355186427 199488 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :Keskustelu käyttäen Itä-Euroopan kieliä. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355186431 266161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(mind you there _could_ be errors, nynorsk isn't my main writing form) < 1355186468 899297 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, I couldn't tell it from bokmål I think :p < 1355186480 812275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it were, i would probably use a bit other words for flavor < 1355186732 279434 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1355186732 854776 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1355186818 795889 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355186834 722479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think there's two written forms but only one spoken? <-- the spoken situation is far more complicated, as dialects are generally _more_ prestigious than a pronunciation normalized to either writing form. afaict, even the television presenters no longer always normalize. < 1355186841 217955 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355186841 290534 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355186841 290663 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355186860 431664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not fully. < 1355186869 101630 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that sounds tricky < 1355186879 439150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's not really an "official" pronunciation, iirc < 1355186930 263760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nynorsk movement had this slogan "Speak dialect, write nynorsk" of which the norwegian people took only the first part :P < 1355187003 32603 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355187027 10535 :Guest59403!~orlando@190.78.242.240 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355187044 727832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t IM.mapWithKey < 1355187046 83635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IM.Key -> a -> b) -> IM.IntMap a -> IM.IntMap b < 1355187097 170208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's interesting < 1355187103 444804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some languages take that to an extreme < 1355187114 269509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like chinese and arabic < 1355187126 802935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if chinese even counts as one language) < 1355187149 417811 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arabic doesn't count as one language either, i don't think < 1355187175 303516 :Guest59403!~orlando@190.78.242.240 QUIT :Client Quit < 1355187192 620542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is "modern standard arabic", which is probably not the local language anywhere? < 1355187255 296134 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: in china there was basically mandarin and.. i forgot the second one < 1355187259 118090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my understanding is that in both cases, there is a mutually intelligible sub-language which people can use but is not the default anywhere < 1355187266 305302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in chinese it's only a written language and not spoken < 1355187266 378676 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's cantonese and wu and a few others < 1355187269 901350 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, there's a word for it < 1355187272 987868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shoppers at a furniture store in Toronto, Canada, were shocked to find a monkey dressed in a sheepskin jacket on the loose in the car park." < 1355187279 483490 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht pattern, i mean < 1355187299 350968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if you all saw http://idlewords.com/2011/08/why_arabic_is_terrific.htm < 1355187300 874944 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, 'diglossia' < 1355187309 764093 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also mentions norwegian, gosh. < 1355187364 698350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear, the arabic on that page no longer renders correctly for me :( < 1355187428 51234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like double UTF8 encoding :( :( :( < 1355187457 271257 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOUBLE UTF-8 ALL ACROSS THE SKYYYY < 1355187479 744813 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you screw up character encodings, god kills a japanese kitten < 1355187545 57204 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale < 1355187546 189367 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="fi_FI < 1355187560 708518 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welly welly well < 1355187627 593448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :must report bug < 1355187725 409168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Gregor is killing kittens right now then < 1355188704 80512 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :LC_MESSAGES=fi_FI.UTF-8 is great. “Esiräätälöidään paketteja” < 1355188710 708224 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1355188741 426999 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too bad some of the people won’t understand just how horrible that translation of “preconfiguring packages” is. < 1355188760 504028 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish translations of UIs tend to be abhorrent. < 1355188770 487605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can it be horrible when it contains five ä's? < 1355188791 482974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you say the meaning of that phrase is in english? < 1355188807 134886 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost impossible to unify the layout isn't it? < 1355188852 263864 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :experienced the same problem while trying to create unified reports for 16 languages < 1355188859 162092 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Pretailoring packages” would be the direct translation, but that loses the badness of the phrase in Finnish again. < 1355189170 241378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :codepage 1252 strikes again! < 1355189170 815063 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still wonder how finnish could develop in such a uniqe way.. are they any natural borders to the neighbours? oceans? mountains? trolls? < 1355189223 739272 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there must be a simpler explanation < 1355189255 761879 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo مكتبة | iconv -f cp1252 < 1355189256 127265 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :must admit i do not know much about the finnish history < 1355189280 168432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is kind of related to hungarian and estonian right < 1355189286 84801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungarian is crazier though < 1355189312 401057 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355189316 200987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's just seeing it next to swedish everywhere, but finnish seems to be closer to its neighbors < 1355189346 919127 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1355189360 646481 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to read more on this < 1355189362 193221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my unscientific opinion yes < 1355189406 226293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedish is a germanic language, so not entirely alien to me as an english speaker < 1355189416 342136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the finnish words on signs seemed to be reasonably close to the swedish words much of the time < 1355189430 654656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas in hungary it seemed as though somebody has written total gibberish on everything < 1355189452 71516 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Hungarian and Finnish have split a very long time ago, there’s nothing recognizable in the other to a novice that knows one of them. OTOH, Estonian sounds very similar to Finnish (although you generally can’t understand the words). < 1355189531 528340 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, studying the history would be a good point to start i guess < 1355189554 791269 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wipes the blood from his hands. < 1355189561 52671 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that I'm done killing kittens, let's fix this shit. < 1355189579 789602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`locale < 1355189580 998735 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LANG=fi_FI.UTF-8 \ LANGUAGE= \ LC_CTYPE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_NUMERIC="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_TIME="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_COLLATE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MONETARY="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MESSAGES="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_PAPER="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_NAME="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_ADDRESS="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_TELEPHONE="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_MEASUREMENT="fi_FI.UTF-8" \ LC_IDENTIFICATION="fi_FI < 1355189584 946340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: YO A REASONABLE LOCALE PLZ < 1355189619 338650 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I chose a locale appropriate to the majority of the channel, what's the issue? < 1355189624 24956 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355189646 513368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ei issuaa < 1355189651 287150 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355189668 529602 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1355189670 115378 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti 11.12.2012 01.34.29 +0000 < 1355189700 782802 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1355189732 298350 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date +%c < 1355189733 749936 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti 11. joulukuuta 2012 01.35.33 < 1355189815 493064 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME elliott < 1355189817 876610 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ELLIOTT: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMA < 1355189923 51757 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1355189924 660524 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tue Dec 11 01:38:44 UTC 2012 < 1355189928 681178 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST to make you stop complaining. < 1355189961 812984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Um... < 1355189965 68003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm not going to stop complaining < 1355189975 491162 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :+about that < 1355190127 829820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: should I optimise UMLBox < 1355190139 108481 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably? < 1355190144 328584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If a user accomplishes a root escalation from within a UMLBox jail, they escalate only to the privileges of the user who ran umlbox, not true root." < 1355190152 12329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the idea that this would stop someone who *already has a root escalation exploit* < 1355190159 281974 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, you could have setuid programs inside the jail) < 1355190167 826801 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it depends on how the exploit is done. < 1355190181 360609 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're different versions of Linux, or depend on being able to modify something they can't on the host, or... < 1355190197 867439 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's lots of reasons why an exploit might not work. < 1355190207 783704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How fast is the mudem stuff < 1355190224 522067 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slow but irrelevant, HackEgo isn't using it. < 1355190231 736294 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355190247 623956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it isn't? < 1355190252 481273 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1355190255 884191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it exist then < 1355190263 824222 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :For the luls? < 1355190281 954378 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a "feature" of plash I felt obligated to replicate. < 1355190286 562832 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never really succeeded though. < 1355190294 803604 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355190313 612892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget what it's even for < 1355190317 670950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, X forwarding? < 1355190321 116837 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1355190326 680910 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And TCP forwarding if you'd like. < 1355190347 932767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work for X < 1355190357 705600 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did last time I tested it *shrugs* < 1355190446 312611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hey couldn't you profile this stuff using the oprofile stuff < 1355190452 761295 :ion!ion@heh.fi TOPIC #esoteric :Keskustelu käyttäen Itä-Euroopan kieliä. | Kanavan otsikko mainitsee Hitlerin ilman erityistä syytä. | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355190525 244008 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe... < 1355190528 427891 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355190537 770167 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that google perftools just barfs all over the place :) < 1355190645 438352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well oprofile is fancy and kernel-level < 1355190649 190382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how it works though < 1355190659 42139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you reduced the nice to something less than -n10, would that help at all < 1355190662 973173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would be sort of bad < 1355190723 672201 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not like I have other shit running at some other nice level. < 1355190825 287567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1355190830 101493 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1355190830 699864 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1355190830.35 < 1355190831 422003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1355190831.01 < 1355190831 546763 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1355190831.19 < 1355190831 758345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355190837 925463 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg status is almost instantaneous. < 1355190843 412289 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox takes almost a second. < 1355190845 107595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice "profiling" < 1355190845 341590 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah. < 1355190848 193516 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1355190866 13508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think UMLBox is pretty inherently slow < 1355190884 149820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What if you did a trick to keep the same UMLBox running as long as hg status says nothing has changed? < 1355190888 214701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be semantically equivalent < 1355190912 458449 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a nice theory, but the whole stack is just SO not configured to do that >_> < 1355190925 776818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't sound that hard < 1355190929 586542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :UMLBox forwards stdin, right? < 1355190941 602893 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh. < 1355190971 686441 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course then there's an issue of "how much of this output is my output" < 1355190972 699449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you just need to run while read; do timelimit ...; done < 1355190973 893202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1355190991 400211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: have it forward an extra fd that you just echo "done" to or such < 1355190994 149304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1355190995 920017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the problem < 1355191009 931080 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I send a command, it has no output. How do I know when it's done? < 1355191021 67268 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I send a command, it has 30MB of output. How do I know when it's done? < 1355191048 494788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, you need to echo "done" to another channel... in fact you can just use stderr, assuming UMLBox forwards that separately < 1355191052 839313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and 2>&1 the commands themselves) < 1355191059 783036 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Echoing to another channel is a terrible idea. < 1355191064 903535 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Synchronicity problems. < 1355191084 258320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK: buffer the output inside the loop, once all the output is written, write the length of the output to the additional channel. < 1355191098 415183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reading code sends the stuff to run, reads a length from the side-channel, reads those bytes. < 1355191110 92015 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1355191112 138503 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff < 1355191132 850652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whenever a write happens, you kill the whole thing and run stuff separately < 1355191134 356893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like normal < 1355191177 72060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that this means that if you run two writers and a reader at once, the reader may experience inconsistent state (because the two overwriters overwrite each other)) < 1355191196 252612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You'd have to make sure the reader's output isn't sent before rerunning stuff, but that's just basic transactionality anyway) < 1355191204 76015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds easier than rearchitecturing anything at least < 1355191209 121495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/anything/everything/ < 1355191214 843395 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is rearchitecting X-D < 1355191229 332565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably less so than whatever you were thinking of :P < 1355191233 124470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be super-mega-fast, anyway < 1355191240 705767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bug reported < 1355191247 558605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what bug < 1355191314 999201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad character encoding on http://idlewords.com/2011/08/why_arabic_is_terrific.htm < 1355191340 941842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :take UTF-8 and interpret each byte as a character in Windows-1252 and then encode to UTF-8 again and that's what you get < 1355191351 320623 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think that rerunning commands is probably a waste of time more often than not. I could send the original output eagerly, then resend iff it's different. < 1355191367 470466 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1355191368 298666 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: How do you fuck up like that? < 1355191377 121648 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That waiting for output from rerunning is a waste of time. < 1355191384 707746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be completely awful < 1355191384 785629 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme put it differently: I should output before even checking. < 1355191403 352275 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ¡!¡!¡!¡!¡! < 1355191407 301449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about go for the 90% speed increase you get from not rerunning UMLBox and forget about an abomination like that :P < 1355191414 978464 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1355191433 218907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll write it to not rerun UMLBox if I can get HackEgo working here < 1355191450 257819 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: At this point it should be near-trivial to get HackEgo running... < 1355191458 51574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is what you said last time too < 1355191471 548417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk me through it :P < 1355191488 991212 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Build multibot, install socat, edit runner.sh to your needs, ./runner.sh < 1355191539 104250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You forgot at least one step < 1355191541 458420 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: ¡!¡!¡!¡!¡! THERE ARE BACKLOG IN PLOF CHANNEL GO GO GO ¡!¡!¡!¡!¡! < 1355191565 117122 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's going wrong? < 1355191567 899501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me or did glogbot's channel list shrink < 1355191578 227460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you finish your "script" < 1355191579 917316 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I assume you already have umlbox? < 1355191582 223533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I didn't try, just you forgot "Get UMLBox working" for one < 1355191602 482903 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355191631 708133 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Getting UMLBox working: Check out, extract Linux to a subdir, if your Linux version is different then the one in Makefile then change it or provide it as a make argument, make and make install. < 1355191635 789243 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: yaru nn sìȳa 'te! tèmo, kotae musùkasii no. < 1355191669 95495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should have some script to automate checking out and compiling everything :P < 1355191672 344045 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355191690 990574 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355191691 103548 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355191692 493906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: probably by opening it in an editor which is configured to auto-detect encoding but save as utf-8 < 1355191696 166418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and which auto detects wrongly < 1355191697 429387 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: HackBot isn't really designed to be rerun ;) < 1355191702 883201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know < 1355191709 20534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think of this as something that happens on windows ;P < 1355191709 866983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: "At this point it should be near-trivial to get HackEgo running..." :P < 1355191716 673396 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Implementing auto-detect like that takes some real doing. < 1355191722 502793 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I've seen that post before with its encoding not messed up. < 1355191724 126988 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, it has THREE dependencies. < 1355191729 235239 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, me too < 1355191734 640654 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all three of them are listed in its description! < 1355191738 536772 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that the easy way to detect UTF-8 is to check if it's valid UTF-8. < 1355191742 897966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also you forgot the part where I replicate HackEgo's filesystem to have test scripts. < 1355191746 539112 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's valid, it is UTF-8. < 1355191746 868385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he probably made a minor edit and screwed it up accidentally < 1355191750 866161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or moved to a new blog system or something < 1355191753 569183 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1355191757 617217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a lot of those things are true of Hebrew. < 1355191763 354179 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Do you need it? < 1355191768 159322 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Even "echo hi" should be sufficient. < 1355191775 187274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not surprising < 1355191778 576875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: No, because I need to test behaviour with writes and stuff and the quote system makes that e-z < 1355191786 328084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arabic alphabet is cooler though < 1355191787 79475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1355191794 179604 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Given that the two languages are in the same language family, makes a lot of sense. < 1355191794 336198 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : If it's valid, it is UTF-8. // Technically, there is some insanely small possibility that this is false. < 1355191804 615269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Sure. < 1355191808 900244 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Yeah, but that's the proper heuristic. < 1355191849 529016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Sure, but you might as well write Farsi instead. < 1355191858 272905 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355191859 509848 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE I WILL < 1355191867 722346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll write english in arabic script < 1355191882 948595 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: And if you somehow find a long string in the wild that's valid UTF-8 *and* not meant to be, I'll buy you a hat or something. :P < 1355191894 933479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiao'erjing < 1355191924 166919 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if I can write English in kanji and a self-made script, I suppose you can do English in Arabic. < 1355191942 32441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I like this irritating fucking "click the repo URL to copy it" thing that DOESN'T LET ME MIDDLE-CLICK-PASTE THE RESULT < 1355191947 681105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is terrible < 1355191960 968541 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dahell? < 1355191970 929802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :On https://bitbucket.org/GregorR/hackbot/overview < 1355191987 725185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some places in western china where you can see latin, arabic, cyrillic, han, and mongolian characters on signs < 1355191991 676886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some places in new york city < 1355191993 264397 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's... not an auto-copy thing? < 1355191996 930309 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a text box? < 1355192005 896980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1355192011 527211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try clicking it (make sure you have JS on I guess) < 1355192017 960797 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have JS on. < 1355192021 734100 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course I have JS on X-D < 1355192026 674273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shrug < 1355192030 45236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is definitely something weird < 1355192040 200454 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So's your face *shrugs* < 1355192122 230420 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355192148 570118 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbackup: YOU'RE DRUNK, GO HOME < 1355192164 919117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Where do I put multibot < 1355192173 418596 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right in the repo. < 1355192178 10941 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next to runner.sh < 1355192182 695760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls /ubda < 1355192183 970258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access /ubda: No such file or directory < 1355192201 791416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Do I wipe its multibot_cmds? < 1355192203 174198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I heard a rumor you were a fan of acid-state. < 1355192205 216124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or keep them? < 1355192217 821453 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just take the binary. < 1355192249 175484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how there's no Makefile. < 1355192258 767506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. by like I mean hate < 1355192262 466325 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makefiles are for pussies. < 1355192269 145883 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc -O3 -levent multibot.c -o multibot < 1355192281 674835 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355192289 563360 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355192350 180150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it really need libevent and yet still uses socat for networking < 1355192363 734936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't possibly articulate how much this code disgusts me < 1355192364 976246 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :libevent... is not a networking library? < 1355192373 244765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said it was < 1355192394 631689 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses socat to avoid all the buildup/teardown bullshit of BSD sockets, so it's just stdin/stdout. Otherwise it's equivalent. < 1355192445 998654 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355192454 422145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice, I have a newer kernel than umlbox < 1355192479 825019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1355192483 80021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this mean I have to download my own < 1355192679 987287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: help < 1355192702 30283 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh, it has to build a UML kernel, yes... < 1355192708 147324 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, or if your distro has one, you can use that. < 1355192719 269771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192721 247632 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :543) in the past few minutes I tried remembering what my dream last night was, but instead remembered I didn't sleep < 1355192728 883073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192729 195286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192729 429811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192729 918166 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192730 477659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :288) elliott, it was an artful robbery! wait, murder < 1355192730 945669 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :70) My mascot is a tree of broccoli. < 1355192731 285767 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :85) it can be a good fursuit, but the good thing is that nobody can complain a fox doesn't have the right skin tone < 1355192731 520755 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :44) oklofok: I'm a tad over-apologetic. I apologize. < 1355192762 110231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :44/85/70? < 1355192793 902795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well you said something about tweaking the version numbers < 1355192797 155324 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf....etiqute < 1355192817 268447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eti`quote????? < 1355192823 145250 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1355192832 104555 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You don't need to use the version specified by the Makefile, you can use whatever version you please < 1355192836 527189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192836 892327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192837 618163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355192837 696259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1355192837 769085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1355192838 189910 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :582) never ever do bacon floats or i will hunt you down and kill you augh my leg < 1355192838 394019 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :616) Somehow I managed to read Haskell as Befunge < 1355192839 210063 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :58) if a girl is that cute, i don't care how many penises she has < 1355192841 878627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1355192843 36 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But you do have to actually fetch the source, since, y'know, you're building it. < 1355192847 41067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you stop < 1355192849 56770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a mosh bug or what? < 1355192906 818013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well I just meant you said "if your Linux version is different then the one in Makefile then change it or provide it as a make argument < 1355192909 795579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1355192916 495846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I do need the versions to match? < 1355192922 279535 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355192923 731765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not I'm totally happy with whatever it uses my default < 1355192980 438110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is confusing!! < 1355192981 627922 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: One way or another you have to download a Linux kernel and extract it. < 1355192986 317393 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't do it itself because I'm lazy. < 1355192988 951528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the makefile do that automatically < 1355192991 840663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall that being a thing < 1355193014 178536 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you like me to make that a thing X_X < 1355193018 364878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally < 1355193018 748716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1355193025 884330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok if the versions have to match < 1355193028 73694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if my kernel is patched < 1355193030 895380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it need the same patches......... < 1355193039 975111 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The version does not have to match anything. < 1355193046 271378 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use a clean Linux. < 1355193063 555813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1355193065 117417 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only version matching there is is that the Makefile has a variable to know what directory to descend into. < 1355193222 367798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a mosh bug? < 1355193248 430875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those [As came from pressing up-arrow-enter quickly. < 1355193282 32126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f[Ancy < 1355193286 951891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's a known interaction with irssi paste detection < 1355193303 891778 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you send irssi a bunch of control codes at once, it assumes they are pasted and sends them to the channel as is < 1355193332 422046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1355193341 527152 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh. is that why it does that when there's a big internet lag after I press backspace a lot? < 1355193344 297523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the reason I can only get tabs into the irssi buffer by pasting. < 1355193360 959074 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it ends up packet-lossing a lot, so it sends all of them at once, and instead of backspacing I get a bunch of control codes < 1355193364 792609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355193367 948081 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense. < 1355193370 732890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm... < 1355193378 535795 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've noticed that when being on horridly lossy networks and not using local-edit mode < 1355193415 898092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :local-edit mode? < 1355193437 638384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying there is actually a way to get reasonable local line editing with modern networking stuff < 1355193448 747361 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, putty has a local edit mode < 1355193453 582805 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it basicaly just sends a command when you hit enter < 1355193461 471164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1355193466 234363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it actually do proper line editing < 1355193469 852295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh does local line editing < 1355193471 858100 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that great and it kinda gets icky when you have a line longer than 80 chars < 1355193474 100792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one of the main features over ssh < 1355193476 324510 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's workable I guess < 1355193483 664325 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I'd guess mosh is a lot better >_< < 1355193487 239660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does mosh have a locale edit mode < 1355193487 575148 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially at interacting with irssi and things < 1355193504 55135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh does get feedback from the server < 1355193521 906379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, it can distinguish "nothing was echoed within 50 ms" from "your network connection dropped for 50 ms" < 1355193528 146104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well mosh's local line editing is kind of bad < 1355193530 668255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a packet is sent for the former < 1355193532 202073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in I wouldn't want to use it exclusively < 1355193550 787317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You know the thing where mosh jumps from "last contact: 13 seconds" to "last response: 50 seconds" or something like that? < 1355193554 377222 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355193554 455118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe the other way around. < 1355193554 637699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: oh come on, Linux doesn't compile < 1355193560 241994 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhh < 1355193572 401796 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess quassel might work even better at this just for irc < 1355193588 444976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess from Fiora's description of PuTTY's thing, it probably does not work in, say, vim < 1355193611 562603 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you want line editing and then you hit Esc and now you want immediate feedback of your keystrokes < 1355193637 277247 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it basically just doesn't send your chars until you hit enter, then it sends them all. but maybe it works with things other than enter too < 1355193646 404622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355193654 498123 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh always sends them right away, but predicts a local echo in some situations < 1355193662 810086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also predicts the effects of left-arrow and right arrow and backspace < 1355193670 476054 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't know much about it < 1355193691 294085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mosh should predict ctrl+ too < 1355193692 152216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tab < 1355193696 736888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ctrl+w < 1355193697 824233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1355193710 827646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctrl+? < 1355193713 624283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does that even do? < 1355193735 987370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :move by word in irssi < 1355193737 502199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1355193744 310746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1355193747 837229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh and ^K and ^U too < 1355193752 601748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know what tab would do other than complete nicks >_< < 1355193755 877774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :M-f and M-b, elliott. < 1355193765 906026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people have asked for ^U < 1355193769 944866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Tab does lots of other things! < 1355193770 22493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :B^U < 1355193777 187652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh cool! I didn't know about ctrl-w < 1355193780 54790 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's useful < 1355193792 555941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complete channels, complete arguments to commands... < 1355193796 983103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep using Ctrl+W in non-terminal programs and it closes my windows. < 1355193803 237964 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ditto < 1355193807 237624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: tab should complete nicks, yes. < 1355193808 463289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone does that. < 1355193829 301562 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, ctrl-w closes tabs in chrome too < 1355193840 920599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the topic in Finnish? < 1355193876 682574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: did you seriously not know that < 1355193883 353666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how have you been closing tabs..... < 1355193887 627665 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by clicking the x < 1355193889 195921 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1355193892 948980 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very good with keyboard shortcuts < 1355193900 200670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :hi | http://соdu.оrg/lоgs/_еsоtеriс/ < 1355193902 845599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :another tip: middle-clicking anywhere on a tab closes it too < 1355193914 22413 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywhere in the window, or on the tab itself? < 1355193917 787462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the tab itself < 1355193920 989422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try it out! < 1355193921 420357 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah, I know that one < 1355193932 655776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :third tip: middle-clicking links opens them in a new tab??? :P < 1355193933 227693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can find out keyboard shortcuts in Chrome by clicking. < 1355193938 482961 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that one XDD < 1355193949 656359 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :another tip: middle-clicking elliott turns it into a shachaf < 1355193951 183598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I right click links to open them in a new tab. < 1355193961 132446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"helpful chrome tip click links to open them" < 1355193970 346250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double right click opens a link in a new tab!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1355193993 379060 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I open links to a new tab by middle-clicking if i’m using the mouse. < 1355194003 974120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Remember the time when middle clicking on a page in Firefox/Mozilla would go to the URL in PRIMARY? < 1355194010 992153 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do. < 1355194011 328586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a middle button! < 1355194021 241336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355194025 710673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a left button and a right button and sometimes I press them together. < 1355194027 484520 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please stop violating freenode guidelines by messing up the log url thx < 1355194029 937677 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :random annoying thing: URLs that use javascript to open a new window, so when I middle-click them, it opens an empty tab < 1355194033 484219 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A.k.a. the middle button < 1355194048 465432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Except a crumb or something got into my left button so now it's awkward to press. < 1355194050 219159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: sometimes those even open said link in the tab you middle-clicked from < 1355194089 933801 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you're publishing logs on an ongoing basis, your channel topic should reflect that fact." < 1355194104 303378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes! < 1355194127 950375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: help me already < 1355194130 798455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gcc can't compile the kernel < 1355194138 446482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: when that happens you need to just pound that key repeatedly until the crumb turns into dust < 1355194139 229446 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's going on? < 1355194142 350017 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifehacker pro tip ^^^^ < 1355194145 737179 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What distro are you distriing? < 1355194152 903160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch < 1355194158 22408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : CC arch/um/os-Linux/signal.o < 1355194158 190043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/signal.c:18:8: error: conflicting types for ‘sig_info’ < 1355194158 262917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In file included from arch/um/os-Linux/signal.c:12:0: < 1355194158 263087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/home/elliott/src/hackego/umlbox/linux-3.6.10/arch/um/include/shared/as-layout.h:64:15: note: previous declaration of ‘sig_info’ was here < 1355194159 634772 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have a UML package? < 1355194161 77196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/signal.c:19:2: warning: initialization from incompatible pointer type [enabled by default] < 1355194162 144725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it's sticky or something. < 1355194164 156102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[crap repetition] < 1355194168 282058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It only happens occasionally now. < 1355194174 364488 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What version of Linux? < 1355194174 469036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might have something to do with temperature, I don't know. < 1355194180 637702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lemme check, google turns up https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/23/731 though < 1355194181 885215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more concerned with my lack of → and End keys! < 1355194186 534437 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: Browsers suck at that. All clicks should run the click event, the default one or not, and any resulting page loads should happen in the present tab or a new one based on which button was used originally. < 1355194192 248237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: happens with building both 3.6.6 and 3.6.10 < 1355194201 824047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's < 1355194202 247918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :community/uml_utilities 20070815-5 User Mode Linux Utilities < 1355194203 979990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the repos < 1355194207 29308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's it as far as "uml" goes < 1355194213 221482 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then you're fucked 8-D < 1355194216 887617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ion. < 1355194218 461940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oion. < 1355194225 946047 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ochaf < 1355194236 911672 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.uml.devel/13702 too < 1355194246 839335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you said this would be trivial :( < 1355194255 783742 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's supposed to be! < 1355194256 707454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :/ciretose_/sgol/gro.udoc//:ptth < 1355194259 413685 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But building UML ain't my job. < 1355194264 446511 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: is that something that's defined by the html specs and stuff so the browser has no choice? < 1355194273 777930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: don't/ < 1355194278 863301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355194280 585062 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: no < 1355194283 217150 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1355194303 113131 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :I ate too much, I'm feeling all *urp* ciretose | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355194314 188385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: There's a linux-usermode AUR package apparently, maybe that works < 1355194339 724562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it < 1355194348 789485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You should give me an SSH account on codu or something :P < 1355194353 881805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just noticed the guidelines said "reflect that fact" < 1355194356 195101 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell < 1355194368 889377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mosh should be renamed to sssh < 1355194371 104622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :super secure shell < 1355194375 96127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would cast aside all doubts right < 1355194386 478787 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ɔᴉɹǝʇosǝ‾/sᵷol/ᵷɹo˙npoɔ//:dʇʇɥ < 1355194417 201272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Are you suggesting I am not the most trustworthy person ever < 1355194419 485871 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: “Enterprise SSH” < 1355194422 896616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :this channel is logged. don't say anything incriminating. < 1355194430 757408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355194439 638577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :y'all tryin' to criminate me! | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355194448 658942 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am suggesting that it is really, truly not that difficult to get hackbot working. < 1355194459 924435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Well, I can't install UML. < 1355194462 602475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's literally impossible. < 1355194505 997546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe 3.7-rc8 will work < 1355194716 788820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: http://static.flickr.com/79/221038665_de70857eb3.jpg < 1355194758 58986 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355194828 761890 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did gregor start saying dahell all the time < 1355194833 515103 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a weirdo < 1355194840 732564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome WeThePeople < 1355194842 290978 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeThePeople: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355194844 562957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.coolstuffexpress.com/store/i/is.aspx?path=/Shared/IMAGES/DCI/pizza_tasty_key_topper.jpg&lr=t&bw=600&w=600&bh=600&h=600 < 1355194866 435015 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Well, Gregor is awesomelord < 1355194869 799557 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate gregorian < 1355194894 889834 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its false < 1355194899 771338 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm parsing that as "I hate in a Gregorian fashion". < 1355194930 831716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which doesn't help to me then interpret the sentence, but it is funny. < 1355194944 505499 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregorian calender < 1355194950 770465 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355194950 926243 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's false about it? < 1355194959 717922 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything < 1355194974 766270 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :its based on catholicism < 1355195000 704125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeThePeople: i think you are in the wrong channel < 1355195011 854769 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fail to see how it is *based on* Catholicism, nor how that would make it inherently false. < 1355195015 358661 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that. < 1355195028 169982 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no im not < 1355195039 378266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, this was an actual thing? < 1355195041 933888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeThePeople: are you sure you read the welcome message < 1355195044 981625 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :however "gregor is weird or gregorian calendar is true" is definitely true < 1355195058 514315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeha it's the iOpener keyboard < 1355195083 988004 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355195097 879825 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming < 1355195098 131869 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(indeed, it's actually a slight modification of the Julian calendar, which was itself a modification of the traditional Roman calendar. Its origins waaay predate Catholicism, and indeed predates the claimed birth of Jesus.) < 1355195106 79140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yee-ha! < 1355195108 641004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google maps shows a 1.3km wide shaded stripe stretching from monterey bay down to the salton sea < 1355195116 344895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about the i-opener. < 1355195119 973971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I know a bit now. < 1355195153 90835 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeThePeople: The only difference between the Gregorian calendar and the Julian is the leap year rule. And the Julian calendar predates Christianity. So... < 1355195166 368242 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1355195202 572136 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1355195244 461230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously google is planning to dig a huge and pointless canal < 1355195244 888636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know WeThePeople made sure they were as uninformed as possible about the gregorian calendar before starting to hate it < 1355195267 942660 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355195376 854076 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355195400 372059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote gwern < 1355195400 770138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gwern says: there are no beginnings or ends to the circular list; but a cons cell thunked in Amador... < 1355195425 589860 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gwern just pinged out on me < 1355195469 490719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should warn the mayor of san bernardino < 1355195493 639359 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt that where mcdonalds was born < 1355195503 701922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort -R ~ shuf? < 1355195548 387662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparentlyp < 1355195564 425047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is turning into common lisp < 1355195580 544399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm turning into yp < 1355195654 106294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: seriously how is it meant to be easy to get hackbot working if I cannot get uml working < 1355195681 510192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Just don't use a sandbox. < 1355195718 21647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that will help a ton considering I am trying to speed up the umlbox part < 1355195932 715512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it is the san andreas fault < 1355196039 142960 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 QUIT :Changing host < 1355196039 255466 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1355196142 729905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :san andreas / the san andreas fault line < 1355196624 834449 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355196645 4406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: heeelp < 1355196666 959172 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Dude, building UML is fucking MAKE. < 1355196675 236014 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't build for you, something about your setup is terrible. < 1355196678 799670 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you should feel bad. < 1355196697 349355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you completely ignore the part where I linked you to a thread where other people have had this problem and it's something that got fixed in the kernel itself or something < 1355196728 711177 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, if it was fixed in the kernel, THEN USE THE RIGHT VERSION OF THE FUCKING KERNEL < 1355196733 315359 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works for me! < 1355196758 789500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you miss the part where I used the kernel version you use, the latest stable kernel, and the latest rc < 1355196763 460829 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes! < 1355196766 551449 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I did, fuckface! < 1355196797 323582 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, you mean the kernel I boot to, or the kernel I'm using in UMLBox? < 1355196806 350020 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel I'm using in UMLBox is the one in the Makefile. < 1355196816 271673 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kernel I boot to is 3.1 (unupdated wifi driver >: ( ) < 1355196836 458526 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's only on this system... I've used quite newer versions. And hell, the kernel you're booting doesn't affect building software anyway. < 1355196861 396155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean in the UML kernel < 1355196869 780080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I guess I could try git linux? That will take five years to download though. < 1355196885 529659 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The Makefile in umlbox specifies the last version I explicitly tested against. < 1355196916 763516 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which appears to be 3.6.6. < 1355196922 69841 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355196924 925938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355196925 919737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried that < 1355196926 877472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3.6.10 < 1355196929 647689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 3.blah-rc-blah < 1355196934 360674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.kernel/1351400 apparently this is the patch that fixes it or something < 1355196942 15379 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then PATCH. < 1355196951 316022 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to add something to umlbox when it WORKS — FOR — ME. < 1355196978 551533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well apparently this patch is actually in the rc I tried... < 1355196986 505541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(when did I tell you to add anything to umlbox??) < 1355197015 554146 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355197030 536967 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have /no idea/ what you're telling me to do. < 1355197036 49977 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It builds for me, and I've never had any problem. < 1355197040 856706 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how am I supposed to help you. < 1355197083 793166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk telepathy? < 1355197103 418765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh apparently that is the commit that broke things < 1355197135 224253 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could try whatever absurdly ancient version HackEgo is still on. < 1355197137 558906 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /proc/version < 1355197138 974181 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux version 3.0.8-umlbox (root@codu.org) (gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8) ) #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 < 1355197171 900060 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355197175 672509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i will find the linux version released before 31 august < 1355197201 243837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux was invented in september < 1355197266 271662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.0.42 it is < 1355197281 585121 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please tell me why it builds just fine for me X-D < 1355197526 887251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: what gcc version, and what kernel are you compiling < 1355197551 338128 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, on HackEgo: < 1355197553 258883 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc --version < 1355197554 808891 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 \ Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO \ warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. < 1355197573 181166 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Locally, 4.7.2, evidently, but that's probably not the version I had when I most recently compiled umlbox. < 1355197631 593552 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355197676 92179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about you try building umlbox now :P < 1355197746 68576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooooo, 3.0.42 fails in another manner < 1355197751 575757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : CC arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.o < 1355197751 648812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c: In function ‘check_coredump_limit’: < 1355197751 649006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:340:16: error: storage size of ‘lim’ isn’t known < 1355197754 573115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:341:2: error: implicit declaration of function ‘getrlimit’ [-Werror=implicit-function-declaration] < 1355197757 683965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:341:22: error: ‘RLIMIT_CORE’ undeclared (first use in this function) < 1355197760 504188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:341:22: note: each undeclared identifier is reported only once for each function it appears in < 1355197763 636785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:349:22: error: ‘RLIM_INFINITY’ undeclared (first use in this function) < 1355197766 568376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arch/um/os-Linux/start_up.c:340:16: warning: unused variable ‘lim’ [-Wunused-variable] < 1355197778 276071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what that even means < 1355197887 131725 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, I'll build umlbox now. < 1355197908 483167 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll bet it just works. < 1355197984 682824 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll take a while 'cuz I'm on a slow-arse laptop ;) < 1355197998 172056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: 1.33 ghz < 1355197999 216482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beat that < 1355198017 398553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :800MHz < 1355198030 716374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except when it actually uses it. Then it goes up a little bit.) < 1355198039 977773 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My speed scaling is broken, it's stuck at 800MHz. < 1355198043 888381 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Kidding ;) ) < 1355198214 309716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i patched the file that didn't build and added an #include < 1355198217 574854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this feels VERY RICKETY < 1355198272 182930 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH LOOK < 1355198273 154694 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT BUILT FINE < 1355198310 433803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1355198314 346981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now you can give me an ssh account < 1355198318 65676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can use your built umlbox! < 1355198342 204970 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously. SERIOUSLY. How are you having trouble building UML. < 1355198343 755688 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :SERIOUSLYYYY < 1355198372 987496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have gcc 4.7.2 btw < 1355198392 590105 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe he uses musl. < 1355198410 603160 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1355198410 762674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a pirate's favorite posix system call < 1355198412 177150 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(has anyone gotten UML and musl to work yet?) < 1355198424 276037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :setarrrrrrrrrlimit(2) < 1355198780 472135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see you are all rendered speechless by my shining wit < 1355198890 399377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: okay so i got this old kernel compiled by patching it < 1355198897 944941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yarrrr limit < 1355198898 555527 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prepare to be boarded! < 1355198901 166688 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1355198908 847260 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OK NEXT STEP INSTALL DAT SHIT < 1355198911 505033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: do I just run runner.sh < 1355198912 683205 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do pirates use to create static libraries? < 1355198914 612944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm just going to set PATH < 1355198914 685936 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrrrrrrrrrr < 1355198945 179654 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So long as you have multibot next to runner and socat and umlbox in $PATH, yeah, just run runner.sh. ... after configuring it to have a sensible name and all that jazz. < 1355199222 618417 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :DO NOT FUCKING CURSE IN THIS GOD DAMNED CHANNEL, CUNT | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355199261 794943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abort: no username supplied (see "hg help config") < 1355199267 281274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott TOPIC #esoteric :http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355199272 295648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do i need a username..... < 1355199275 782239 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1355199286 863975 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercurial needs a username to commit X-D < 1355199290 577056 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably build it in... < 1355199296 384541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf TOPIC #esoteric :☭ | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355199304 121114 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Instead of just using the .hgrc) < 1355199317 803326 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember git yells at me if I forget to specify it < 1355199320 719575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do that now < 1355199324 526031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can not set things up < 1355199344 717449 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just add "-u", "HackBot" after "hg", "commit", "-R", wutever < 1355199398 192694 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'll add that to the repo too) < 1355199415 765527 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355199420 55012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`test < 1355199421 695783 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355199427 881391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): < 1355199428 37642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd", line 129, in < 1355199428 110852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : transact(command, 'lib/sandbox', command) < 1355199428 111058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : File "PRIVMSG/tr_60.cmd", line 73, in transact < 1355199428 111166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : for sline in so.split("\n"): < 1355199430 415540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TypeError: Type str doesn't support the buffer API < 1355199432 998438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's trying to run it as python3 < 1355199437 88260 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355199448 473282 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355199453 607655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't listen to that nasty bot < 1355199460 422305 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor = the best < 1355199490 735438 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355199495 712251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`test < 1355199496 897236 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355199497 40172 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice: /usr/bin/umlbox: No such file or directory < 1355199504 482748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it really hardcode the fuckin path < 1355199506 818985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1355199506 896989 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is lambdabot defending me. < 1355199516 173208 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1355199526 751385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: because shachaf < 1355199531 349798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what! < 1355199534 336084 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355199543 829690 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355199566 258342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you going to be near SF this week? < 1355199593 220413 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, my shitty dead-man's switch server is going crazy. < 1355199595 726101 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355199600 818705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`test < 1355199601 894934 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355199601 967895 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355199607 730136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ PATH=../umlbox:$PATH ./runner.sh < 1355199607 968945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1]+ Killed PATH=../umlbox:$PATH ./runner.sh < 1355199608 42030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminated < 1355199613 6927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SO EASY GREGOR SAID < 1355199622 243304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, why? < 1355199647 903716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just wondering" < 1355199653 257022 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ha-HA I remember having that problem it's FUN < 1355199699 918191 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if lib/sandbox has any weird paths in it. < 1355199710 317385 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :If uml dies, it seems to have a habit of taking down FUCKING EVERYTHING with it. < 1355199765 871655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has '/home/elliott/src/hackego/umlbox/umlbox' < 1355199766 903507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that count < 1355199776 575879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually < 1355199778 517117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work? < 1355199781 678332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can umlbox find the kernel < 1355199795 475036 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1355199828 880162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1355199833 291652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to make an actual /hackenv directory < 1355199834 623526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my actual fs < 1355199909 297554 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1355199914 833296 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's artificial. < 1355199934 439223 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if you can run lib/sandbox directly. HACKENV=multibot_cmds/env multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox echo hi < 1355199949 28076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ HACKENV=multibot_cmds/env multibot_cmds/lib/sandbox echo hi < 1355199949 191989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminated < 1355199949 879871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1355199993 553362 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err wait, I forgot, you need to be in multibot_cmds X-D < 1355200000 846346 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cd multibot_cmds; HACKENV=env ./lib/sandbox echo hi < 1355200017 223924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ HACKENV=env ./lib/sandbox echo hi < 1355200017 297753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminated < 1355200044 407834 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's a problem X-D < 1355200051 210791 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox -B echo hi ? < 1355200108 610137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Terminated < 1355200112 285634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe my uml linux is broken < 1355200136 804663 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try umlbox -B -v echo hi, see if the kernel gives any hints as to where it's failing. < 1355200194 126372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No filesystem could mount root, tried: < 1355200194 199372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(98,0) < 1355200241 436372 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell? How did you build the kernel? < 1355200276 748408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make < 1355200289 56431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus adding a include to one UML file that didn't have it. < 1355200291 171603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason. < 1355200308 429425 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, make in the umlbox root? < 1355200311 559413 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it used the umlbox config? < 1355200344 903109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355200365 480124 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell. < 1355200387 739720 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PART :#esoteric < 1355200414 886064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 3.0.42 < 1355200422 89412 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat /proc/version < 1355200423 493160 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux version 3.0.8-umlbox (root@codu.org) (gcc version 4.4.5 (Debian 4.4.5-8) ) #2 Sun Nov 13 21:30:28 UTC 2011 < 1355200427 15300 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.0.42 should be fine. < 1355200438 758307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it isn't :P < 1355200508 662141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How about you just send me a compiled umlbox/umlbox-linux < 1355200514 382617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even I guess just the latter < 1355200523 490558 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okidoke. < 1355200543 657084 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/umlbox-linux < 1355200574 334344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your willingness to do this has made me more suspicious of this binary than any other < 1355200608 469995 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355200620 837179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 ext2 ext4 < 1355200620 910779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(98,0) < 1355200623 786303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I think I know the problem. < 1355200626 254304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My filesystem is JFS. < 1355200635 627496 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't need to mount your host filesystem. < 1355200643 188360 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just mounts an initrd, then uses hostfs. < 1355200643 345050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm < 1355200647 387524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then why did it try ext3/ext2/ext4 < 1355200668 771630 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have NO clue. Does it barf the umlbox-linux command line? < 1355200778 516358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel command line: initrd=/home/elliott/src/hackego/umlbox/umlbox-initrd.gz ubda=/tmp/24023.conf mem=256M con1=fd:0,fd:3 con2=null con=null,fd:1 root=98:0 < 1355200804 146501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need an esolang called Dahell now. it should vaguely resemble haskell, but get as much as possible slightly wrong in ways that blow up horribly when combined (no, C++ is not close enough.) < 1355200810 651239 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if somehow the way it's configured, I need to actually ASK it to use initrd... < 1355200838 266236 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: In umlbox, can you add "root=ram0" to the kernel command line? < 1355200851 927642 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK that's how you explicitly ask for it to use initrd as root. < 1355200856 582387 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox-initrd.gz exists, right? < 1355200867 198519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just at the end? < 1355200868 773278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- yeah, it does < 1355200872 326222 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't matter. < 1355200885 161661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 ext2 ext4 < 1355200885 234744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) < 1355200888 577816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kernel command line: initrd=/home/elliott/src/hackego/umlbox/umlbox-initrd.gz ubda=/tmp/24040.conf mem=256M con1=fd:0,fd:3 con2=null con=null,fd:1 root=ram0 < 1355200898 487390 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What. The. Fuck. < 1355200918 586563 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gunzip -c umlbox-initrd.gz | file - < 1355200976 277729 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you don't have cpio ^^ < 1355201035 948658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gunzip -c umlbox-initrd.gz | file - < 1355201036 118164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/stdin: no read permission < 1355201055 430631 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, um, what? < 1355201068 8568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1355201082 320261 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355201084 424565 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAAAAAAAAAAAT < 1355201099 243070 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My whole universe just collapsed in on itself. < 1355201104 87099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like I'm using a version of Linux that's subtly different to everyone else's. < 1355201115 39743 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is! < 1355201121 835196 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you are actually using the Deathstation. < 1355201128 269409 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gunzip -c umlbox-initrd.gz > umlbox-initrd ; file umlbox-initrd < 1355201137 781257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it helps: < 1355201138 482190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox-initrd.gz: gzip compressed data, from Unix, last modified: Tue Dec 11 03:48:01 2012, max compression < 1355201152 733350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ gunzip -c umlbox-initrd.gz > umlbox-initrd ; file umlbox-initrd < 1355201152 806493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :umlbox-initrd: empty < 1355201155 503890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems suboptimal < 1355201158 674623 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^ < 1355201162 641137 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh good, the header's correct at least. < 1355201163 110081 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have cpio? < 1355201163 521591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have a cpio(1) if that matters < 1355201166 965081 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1355201168 147585 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That matters. < 1355201175 509967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must say the error reporting could be better. < 1355201188 339455 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just added "|| rm -f umlbox-initrd.gz" to the Makefile X-D < 1355201191 770352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whaddo I do once I have cpio? make clean && make? < 1355201197 655869 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just rm that file and make. < 1355201208 526979 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you feel insane you could install pax(1) instead, and then hack the Makefile. :P < 1355201212 536269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, now umlbox works. < 1355201220 495754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it fucks up my terminal. < 1355201228 18826 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it does that with -v ^^´ < 1355201229 236628 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just reset < 1355201270 667100 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355201272 592593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`test < 1355201273 738003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355201274 882344 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355201278 175652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1355201279 187832 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355201279 351293 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355201283 875785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i change its prefix < 1355201285 635046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :move the tr_? < 1355201295 898096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup 8-D < 1355201300 965498 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE ITS DA BEST < 1355201311 871660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a nice prefix < 1355201325 386001 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5E is ^ < 1355201337 750382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355201339 783204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is a thing < 1355201340 475101 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we just got through database normalization. normalization turns fnord strings into fnord ones. buttons are usually pngs, i think i got it to work for tho < 1355201347 722654 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh < 1355201369 702451 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, 23 is #? < 1355201376 84925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f​ungot is fun < 1355201396 638040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ord '|' < 1355201398 199930 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 124 < 1355201400 553300 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355201409 824639 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :...??? < 1355201415 109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1355201418 522250 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Y'know you don't have to shut it down to change the prefix. < 1355201421 3445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually I guess I need it in hex < 1355201423 433652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you don't? < 1355201442 690953 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The major point of multibot is you never need to take it down, you just add and remove commands willy-nilly. < 1355201457 226227 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 is % < 1355201458 2581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :µltibot < 1355201468 833231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :% is my old bot's prefix :( < 1355201482 181299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it called ellibott? < 1355201520 916673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Remember when you wrote that script to @admin - me? < 1355201603 609665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355201654 244760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: What's &? < 1355201678 130771 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :26 < 1355201699 771030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355201701 362019 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :757) there was a time when I liked wearing a tie too.. I was a mormon. not claiming one has to be a religious nutcase to wear a tie, of course < 1355201723 240354 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355201729 182772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355201741 735094 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355201743 127943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :&echo ic chamber < 1355201744 688708 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ic chamber < 1355201747 119367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :&ls < 1355201748 306303 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355201754 921046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is mine slower than Gregor's? < 1355201777 171559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess your computer is worse? < 1355201778 918419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :&hi < 1355201780 61269 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/elliott/src/hackego/hackbot/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: hi: not found < 1355201782 685883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi < 1355201784 132258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355201789 67996 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They seem equally fast. < 1355201792 409161 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ALL THE MORE REASON TO MAKE IT FASTER < 1355201796 820593 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/tmp/marigoldsnuffles.gif < 1355201803 13838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use the nickname of the bot and a colon and space as the prefix, except private messages which should use no prefix at all. < 1355201803 612698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1355201807 34332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I've forgotten how I was even going to make it faster. < 1355201809 630032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1355201810 178977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 1m 27d 12h 10m 13s ago: Want a message? < 1355201810 372057 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest said 1m 27d 12h 9m 15s ago: and another one < 1355201810 445366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie said 16h 23m 44s ago: That is, the name lookup is done the way you wanted, with the members being considered defined in the scope in which the union is declared. I have not checked whether C++ < 1355201810 445558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : makes it undefined to read an union member that was not the one last written to. < 1355201818 934645 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: By making it have a persistent umlbox process. < 1355201824 477635 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck with that, by the way X-D < 1355201828 272696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh right. < 1355201830 484255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why good luck. :( < 1355201863 474951 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My suggestion would be to, much more simply, have it just have a umlbox process waiting in the wings, so to speak. Still one-time use, but already there. < 1355201924 726444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1355201929 536751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wouldn't make doing, e.g. 5 `quotes any faster. < 1355201944 530349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people really care about the performance of one command? < 1355201957 38357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess if HackEgo is being merged. < 1355201990 647103 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make it pool. < 1355202011 791865 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need five fast `quotes? FIVE UMLBOX PROCESSES. BADA-BING BADA-BOOM < 1355202113 87505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: That seems like a good idea actually... < 1355202118 389192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just keep 10 or so UMLBoxes running constantly. < 1355202148 736549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it fast enough? < 1355202149 954336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202150 359131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202150 671875 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202150 935977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202151 500209 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :392) elliott: by the way, you're now almost capable of crawling. < 1355202151 999866 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :54) both of you, quit it with the f-bombs. kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in? < 1355202152 349761 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :673) I'm not biased towards humanity over sentient .txt files. < 1355202152 740775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :776) imagine hitting a brick wall really really hard but you don't do anything to it. instead you explode. that's what it's like for people who hit you < 1355202153 166702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202154 695733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :719) the allocation is done by the "Dynamic" in DRAM before that we used SRAM where everything was preallocated in the factory olsner: So what's this SDRAM then? fizzie: synchronized, it's for multithreading < 1355202154 862139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I don't see any reason not to. < 1355202165 496306 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't know any reason not to. < 1355202184 602400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That was a really flimsy excuse for spam. < 1355202194 672041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Better than your usual excuses. < 1355202231 639996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you seriously making a conspiracy out of the fact that occasionally some quotes are called up to delete when the channel is quiet which literally nobody but you has a problem with... < 1355202314 35001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202315 820321 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :593) oh god oh god what if I become attracted to birds < 1355202325 230050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :KMC IS PART OF IT < 1355202334 786959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202336 441470 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :637) You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. `quote kmc 686) COCKS [...] truly cocks Well, in theory. < 1355202342 503777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202344 272900 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :434) monqy: last night in my dreams I saw a false photo album of my childhood... looking ghostly < 1355202346 410128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202348 19360 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :322) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I become the chicken and I really want to make soup < 1355202349 74814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355202350 736260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :10) 11 holes for me :D < 1355202359 804774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 10 < 1355202364 662086 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* 11 holes for me :D < 1355202391 606184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm, I wonder what should start the UMLBoxes, since there's nothing really long-running... < 1355202405 927907 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idonnooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo < 1355202426 158281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess runner.sh could start them actually < 1355202452 319404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they'd just maintain FIFOs in multibot_cmds < 1355202469 839308 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nod* < 1355202527 694853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there is a new controversy over whether scotland automatically stays in the EU if it leaves the UK < 1355202532 1122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whether they have to re-apply < 1355202551 277319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1355202558 951509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except then it's not clear which FIFO a given process wants to send to < 1355202602 73831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, does UMLBox even forward stdin... < 1355202613 134075 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does if you don't explicitly tell it not to. < 1355202689 439986 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355202860 702372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmmmmm I guess I could make the UMLBoxers just create dummy files to signify when they're running < 1355202863 678327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gross though < 1355202878 808492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i've seen the same problem mentioned regarding catalonia. well that and the fact in their case spain would probably be pissed enough to veto it. < 1355202899 173403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1355202922 148156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can a single state veto another state joining / remaining in the EU? < 1355202933 657973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least joining < 1355202933 919596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like there is not an established procedure for this < 1355202947 654438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the case of an existing state splitting into two, i mean < 1355202960 209285 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you can walk now and you know a couple of words, by the way. < 1355202967 497259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems kind of short-sighted but it may have been a third-rail issue when they were putting together the initial treaties < 1355202974 557828 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though as far as I can remember, the only words you know are "tractor", "bye-bye", and "thank you". < 1355202978 523853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. all the splitting states in europe recently did so before any part joined the eu. < 1355202992 729605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Those are the only words I kno < 1355202993 821289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1355203022 513720 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You could have a single FIFO to indicate when umlboxen are ready, and every time a new process comes into play, it makes a new umlbox in the background that (eventually) reports on the end of that fifo, then pull out the first one on the fifo. < 1355203024 296439 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there _is_ a precedent for only part of a state being a member, though (e.g. greenland) < 1355203047 131141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355203079 353511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hmm, as in the FIFO would just be a stream of "umlboxer 1 ready", "umlboxer 7 ready", etc.? < 1355203094 743077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure why you'd need it to dynamically make new UMLBoxes < 1355203111 153492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a bunch of weird cases actually http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_member_state_territories_and_the_European_Union < 1355203120 302296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was assuming you'd just have a script that does "spawn a UMLBox, wait for a command on my FIFO, give it that command, wait until it dies, go to step 1" < 1355203120 770639 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It creates a new one so that there's the right number on the queue when it consumes one *shrugs* < 1355203152 675081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, probably I should just write a Python script that maintains all the UMLBox processes itself rather than trying to separate them out at all < 1355203187 864667 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also, you don't seem to be aware that you only say "thank you" when someone else gives you something, not when you give someone else something. < 1355203193 765321 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, you also know the word "poop". < 1355203203 513352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just sounding more and more like me < 1355203212 605109 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you say it whenever anyone trips over one of those springy doorstops. < 1355203235 793133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: maybe elliott is a buddhist, i hear they do that reverse thanking thing with monks < 1355203241 514900 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You're running unstable now? < 1355203245 541132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355203246 151885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were running testing. < 1355203247 528294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ish < 1355203265 280998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually what happens is i set up to run testing, but to have the ability to install packages from unstable < 1355203271 756098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then my system gradually becomes unstable < 1355203272 867457 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1355203272 940854 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1355203277 498616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds unsupported. < 1355203288 33477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's fine < 1355203288 577968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I guess so is Debian in general. < 1355203290 561822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apt handles it fine < 1355203299 92208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that things in unstable tend to depend on other things in unstable < 1355203308 368014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you end up gradually "upgrading" to unstable < 1355203388 855709 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my workplace uses gentoo and I've kind of noticed that happen too < 1355203395 842154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where if I want one unstable thing I end up getting every unstable thing < 1355203409 178378 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with lots of portage blocked packages <_<; < 1355203534 848835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo isn't good at that. < 1355203736 171201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :workplace using gentoo, that's interesting < 1355203746 665767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it is good if you need a large number of local changes to packages < 1355203753 176080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like hell < 1355203794 814469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gentoo does have a way to distribute binary packages right < 1355203834 41293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my experience Gentoo is good if you like having your package manager incurably broken. < 1355203843 839770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use ebuilds for a lot of their own programs and keep some specific versions and packages < 1355203847 298947 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of icky though < 1355203853 177788 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's partially because a previous sysadmin set it up with gentoo < 1355203864 599182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1355203892 533443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mainly just not very good with it though < 1355203954 508011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe when I get my new laptop I should install NixOS instead of Debian < 1355203986 761955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard NixOS is actually usable! < 1355204001 436664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool < 1355204003 584845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :roconnor uses NixOS in hard mode < 1355204006 374022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Actually usable!" -- shachaf < 1355204010 454072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can put that on the DVD box set < 1355204014 478583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hard mode"? < 1355204015 551348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. without /lib < 1355204023 530888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or /lib64, or whatever it is. < 1355204025 82118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 < 1355204027 162344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh < 1355204040 232680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does your ELF interpreter live? < 1355204047 819215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's hard mode because it breaks most linux binarieS? < 1355204055 396431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355204057 835418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1355204063 310936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/nix/store/something? < 1355204080 191670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have a tool for patching ELF files to refer to it. < 1355204131 995425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1355204147 474086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this is better than symlinking? < 1355204172 698039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you have to patch ELFs anyway < 1355204175 685508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the actual libraries < 1355204184 765621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could symlink those too. < 1355204189 6430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1355204192 34840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work like that < 1355204195 788966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has read the Nix/NixOS papers < 1355204198 561133 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you *could*. < 1355204202 430847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would cause problems. < 1355204202 547506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are very very good at getting unix to do something it doesn't want to do at all < 1355204208 629823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes if you don't care about the whole point of nix... < 1355204217 34734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean it does the symlink thing to a degree < 1355204224 746294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some people do it and it works ish. < 1355204262 651054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't most shared libs referred to by filename only and not path? < 1355204343 858616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm wrong about this "hard mode" thing and it's the regular thing. < 1355204357 56117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :roconnor said it was a thing he chooses to do, or something like that, I think. < 1355204365 215060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should try NixOS and tell me if it's good! < 1355204367 697694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355204380 861084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps NixOS will fix my X1 Carbon power management problems < 1355204420 7563 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, is this edit vandalism, or mistake correction?: http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Brainfuck_algorithms&diff=35029&oldid=34951 < 1355204426 76422 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355204429 809707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too tired to really think about it right now < 1355204472 933381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did I tell you my laptop shipped finally? < 1355204475 602521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it will not be free :/ < 1355204489 160841 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh no! < 1355204491 798586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should sue them. < 1355204564 96604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh right < 1355204568 881619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: < 1355204569 217178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . Talk:Emmental‎; 15:40 . . (-29,247)‎ . . ‎Chris Pressey (Talk | contribs | block)‎ (move Talk:Mascarpone discussion to Talk:Mascarpone) [rollback] < 1355204572 497771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(diff | hist) . . N Talk:Mascarpone‎; 15:39 . . (+29,446)‎ . . ‎Chris Pressey (Talk | contribs | block)‎ (move Talk:Mascarpone discussion to Talk:Mascarpone) < 1355204575 500683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a way to keep the histories somehow < 1355204587 839237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:37:42 aren't most shared libs referred to by filename only and not path? < 1355204596 171728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: with nix you always want everything to refer to an exact version < 1355204603 314846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's basically the point < 1355204614 191890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff directly knows where all its dependencies are and there's no "resolution" < 1355204632 861071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they do some really wild hacks to get builds repeatable so the hashes are consistent < 1355204639 810611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with timestamps and stuff < 1355204654 280774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355204667 593636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing with nixos is that you need the packaging to be really good < 1355204678 758719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you want to do the configuration of all your software in the actual nix language < 1355204685 551900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it generates the config files from that < 1355204685 942836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm right < 1355204688 110069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1355204705 900859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i think you can just tell it "make a config file with this and expand the paths" < 1355204711 305151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't get as much coolness ;p < 1355204712 520536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:p < 1355204802 706062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also I think you are locked-in to upstart as the init system < 1355204807 543182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a shame because I don't like upstart < 1355204842 330580 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1355204845 626759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all that said their tech is so advanced that it's hard for me to consider all other package managers as anything more than broken < 1355204865 443238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I'd actually use the OS but they really do just get so many problems right < 1355204868 490892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1355204881 437201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like if this actually works well, it would eliminate the need for programs like puppet and chef < 1355204903 818748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which basically try to apply a declarative configuration description on top of a conventional distribution < 1355204916 770591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah you can do things like make nix create a livecd of your current system < 1355204920 941342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rollback to the configuration you used 3 days ago < 1355204926 549376 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or start your current configuration in qemu < 1355204931 933700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355204932 709087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have tools to do this automatically < 1355204934 19003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very cool < 1355204935 722655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all declarative < 1355205001 704833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a feeling learning this will make me hate using debian and puppet at work < 1355205008 798987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the way that learning haskell will make one hate using python at work < 1355205031 820987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you hate using Python at work? < 1355205071 332615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1355205075 4013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate some aspects of it < 1355205094 131069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i would hate some aspects of using haskell and ghc as well < 1355205182 126347 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right now i am very annoyed that there's no reasonable way to set a timeout on a function call < 1355205199 306755 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use SIGALRM because we are already forced to use python's shitty threads < 1355205204 112626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't use python's shitty threads because they are shitty < 1355205208 110592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we have been through this here before < 1355205259 449426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm a programmer, and my tools hate me... and I hate them. And they hate me for hating them and I hate them for hating me. And we hate each other. And that's because none of us got enough hate in our childhood." < 1355205270 187697 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355205363 587977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1355205379 901545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair I like a lot of things about python as well < 1355205399 305593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python and javascript are two of the better languages that you can reliably get paid to use < 1355205407 27121 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is this the beginning to your romance novel < 1355205506 397708 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will find his true love, a programming language he doesn't hate < 1355205518 167360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc already found that < 1355205519 639805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone found that < 1355205520 670445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's @ < 1355205597 506707 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @ is great, isn't it? < 1355205598 225369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ activity activity-full admin all-dicts arr ask b52s babel bf bid botsnack brain bug check choice-add choose clear-messages compose devils dice dict dict-help djinn djinn-add < 1355205600 312901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :djinn-clr djinn-del djinn-env djinn-names djinn-ver do docs dummy easton echo elements elite eval fact fact-cons fact-delete fact-set fact-snoc fact-update faq farber flush foldoc forget fortune < 1355205602 352161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fptools free freshname ft gazetteer get-shapr ghc girl19 google googleit gsite gwiki hackage help hitchcock hoogle hoogle+ id ignore index instances instances-importing irc-connect jargon join karma < 1355205604 300432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma+ karma- karma-all keal kind learn leave let list listall listchans listmodules listservers localtime localtime-reply lojban map messages messages? more msg nazi-off nazi-on nixon oeis offline < 1355205606 289695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldwiki palomer part paste ping pl pl-resume pointful pointless pointy poll-add poll-close poll-list poll-remove poll-result poll-show pretty print-notices protontorpedo purge-notices quit quote rc < 1355205608 262067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :read reconnect remember repoint run shootout show slap smack source spell spell-all src tell thank you thanks thx ticker time todo todo-add todo-delete topic-cons topic-init topic-null topic-snoc < 1355205610 296674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic-tail topic-tell type undefine undo unlambda unmtl unpf unpl unpointless uptime url v vera version vote web1913 what where where+ wiki wn world02 yarr yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw yow < 1355205620 212605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355205620 757285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 'J' < 1355205622 267807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355205622 699557 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exception: <> < 1355205624 419073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355205624 849108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"#$%&'()*+,\"" < 1355205627 669982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^^^ best command ever < 1355205633 660465 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this what death feels like < 1355205647 768965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or sex < 1355205671 940162 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355205672 176812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :V RETURNS! < 1355205675 231203 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1355205843 325946 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember rembember, the fifth of november... < 1355205997 990488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355205998 617598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"#$%&'()*+,\"" < 1355206012 929269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you want to know the story behind @yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355206026 401030 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is curious < 1355206056 572174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess once upon a time, lambdabot evaluated things in an implicit "let v = ..." < 1355206067 655843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people started to refer to 'v' within those expressions and got crazy results < 1355206073 794420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 'v' was renamed to 'yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw' < 1355206123 107042 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that just like, a random keyboardsmash < 1355206123 952521 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355206128 345741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1355206129 231889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hope: yes < 1355206170 152619 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355206170 296317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 'J' < 1355206183 82495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway these commands relive some of the strange results people got < 1355206206 886960 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Juan: i think they just mean the cgi, because otherwise, wtf < 1355206209 288335 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm. < 1355206212 398209 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355206212 565181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"\"" < 1355206265 275106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi, Juan < 1355206322 333254 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355206374 568262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just 'Juan' < 1355206396 347987 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was intentional, i swear < 1355206559 495369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if ju say so < 1355206616 201308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can you refer to 'yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw' within those expressions? < 1355206646 495496 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw < 1355206648 28619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `yhjulwwiefzojcbxybbruweejw' < 1355206649 752862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the whole point < 1355206652 10984 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355206697 224967 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you were the one dealing with TeX demimicrons, right? < 1355206707 340674 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355206707 414109 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355206707 414264 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355206707 995015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes < 1355206717 370179 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.math.upenn.edu/~wilf/website/dek.pdf this is for you, then < 1355206926 233654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did write one letter to Knuth, a year ago, I think. I did use TeX, and I use TeX for all of my typesetting stuff actually, but I did not use PDF. I did get someone to deliver it, though (it was addressed correctly, but I knew someone who was going to be near there, so he delivered it to Knuth's office). < 1355206967 335949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did include the return address too. However, I have not received a reply. Well, it doesn't matter; it is not particularly important. < 1355207023 298787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the same address you can find by WHOIS on my domain name, but my name is Aaron Black, and ignore the telephone number and email and so on since none of those are mine; but the postal address will reach me if mail is sent there. < 1355207113 92406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just so you know, that is one way to contact me. Of course you can use the IRC and wiki talk pages but postal mail can be used too. < 1355207163 566955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if it is postal mail I am guaranteed to receive it as soon as it arrives (not as soon as it is sent); with the computer of course it is just whenever I check, which might or might not be faster. < 1355208602 387795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is SourceForge broke? < 1355208776 511284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear it's down. < 1355208856 279656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was your letter a bug report? < 1355208871 289358 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355208999 664308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do not remember what it was. < 1355209019 82575 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once emailed a bug report and got a reply. < 1355209019 681037 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355209051 116983 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355209131 736834 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia also seems broke. < 1355209153 822979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they upgraded something wrong? < 1355209166 369388 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia works okay here < 1355209194 869504 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355209196 612093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :On my computer it broke. < 1355209238 994749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the DocBook command for URL? < 1355209649 30821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I figure out < 1355209689 135740 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355210055 401141 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355210081 895090 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355210081 968411 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355210081 968578 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355210133 873130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the CS bachelor's thesis presentation day today; one of them peoples has done a thing on FM synthesis of sounds on a GPU. < 1355210157 251404 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355210186 52378 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun. < 1355210281 457391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, that one is in the other session. < 1355210320 604899 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine just has things like MultipathTCP. < 1355210577 458094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I add a swap pratition? < 1355210581 679901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : total used free shared buffers cached < 1355210581 858773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mem: 3792 3684 107 0 0 146 < 1355210581 932254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-/+ buffers/cache: 3538 253 < 1355210581 932442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Swap: 0 0 0 < 1355210583 807490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*partition < 1355210589 602896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer is kind of laggy. All the time. < 1355211335 690516 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should use less memory. < 1355211350 736219 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start by dropping X, I think that'll help. < 1355211371 800045 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also any X clients you might be running.) < 1355211879 287286 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355211909 798433 :GregorSucks!~GregorSuc@95.151.134.105 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355211920 471057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355211955 28743 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355211966 774830 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1355211969 191520 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did play Dungeons&Dragons game. < 1355212077 119150 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We were on a spiral staircase. It is dark (I can see in dark, they can't), but I did not want to light up since they would then see us; instead we hold each other's hand. < 1355212221 651344 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We found the door with magic runes and eventually managed to get in. < 1355212273 226452 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355212285 11372 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this yet? < 1355212298 798753 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355212298 871712 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355212298 871862 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355212388 621722 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds very dramatic. < 1355212645 65914 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The king is inside. < 1355212685 622739 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He is glad his royal wizard is there, and he is glad Isolde is there, but he is not as glad that I am there. < 1355212700 319300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is beautiful < 1355212707 775305 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have to escape, perhaps through the barred window, but some people outside are going to break the door... < 1355212717 450052 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, I have idea: R-KB1!! < 1355212997 996337 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is *your* idea??? < 1355213026 115294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thoughtcatalog.com/2012/how-to-hack-chipotle/ < 1355213228 310782 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355213308 854620 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1355213314 711404 :monqy_!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net NICK :monqy < 1355213542 860649 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355213766 382722 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355213902 731549 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355214144 725308 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355214235 189901 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that sounds like a bad idea considering that those burritos feel like they're about ready to explode as is XD < 1355214539 938843 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355214549 698701 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355214550 902570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc's idea is to serve the king some chipotle? < 1355214563 806397 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds not necessarily helpful. < 1355214900 748341 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355215065 415447 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I am using 7-Zip to list an executable it mentions two files with the same name. < 1355215338 984462 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355215527 963961 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1355215704 40722 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can extract the .rsrc which seems to be the resource data, however neither 7-Zip nor Resource Editor is capable of loading that file. < 1355216146 599218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355216375 828743 :zzo38_!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca NICK :zzo38 < 1355218846 181613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355218940 23846 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355219176 852304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell oerjan okay I fixed the /// thing < 1355219177 8178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355219528 146368 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355219546 883377 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355220252 576243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so < 1355220260 942198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out my esolang wiki deployment strat is totally fucked when they up the major version < 1355220274 752524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone have any suggestions other than cry a lil < 1355220279 874087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i accept "cry a lot" < 1355220322 997411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1355220324 197319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS < 1355220326 98423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I REALLY FUCKING HATE PHP < 1355220328 220732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT < 1355220329 125770 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry a moderate amount and flail alot < 1355220350 536414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im too tired to flail < 1355220357 769052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can only manage crushing despair < 1355220364 425778 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep then flail later < 1355220377 521491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can I sleep when esolang is outdated < 1355220384 499640 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1355220393 233115 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant answer that question < 1355220397 580680 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i amnt sleeping myself < 1355220403 985696 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should have been hours ago < 1355220433 888023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1355220448 886098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly want to write a wiki that recreates MW's functionality and interface < 1355220452 26989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from scratch < 1355220453 687883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so I don't have to maintain this installation < 1355220463 904160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to keep the fucking config and data files in the same directory as the code it's the worst thing ever < 1355220471 585771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Ehird/upgrading < 1355220473 372932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad-hoccest shit ever < 1355220475 348348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: cry forever < 1355220497 918242 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355220507 68183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Don't upgrade. < 1355220511 146646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retro. < 1355220591 574024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :retro security holes < 1355220625 890085 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run it in a VM like HackEgo < 1355220630 881559 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Run it in HackEgo < 1355220725 995256 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355220798 177594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should just run esolang on git mediawiki... < 1355220800 72029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what could go wrong < 1355220809 964805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Snowyowl < 1355220813 519108 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355220840 610014 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ta very much < 1355220869 104304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ and deployment//' wisdom/welcome < 1355220872 724831 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355220877 50142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355220879 146526 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355220881 964148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you know what that's referencing. < 1355220882 358269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ and deployment//' wisdom/welcome < 1355220885 622810 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355220907 793414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it referencing? < 1355220937 508090 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run stat wisdom/welcome < 1355220938 808186 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File: `wisdom/welcome' \ Size: 233 Blocks: 8 IO Block: 1024 regular file \ Device: 10h/16d Inode: 767424 Links: 1 \ Access: (0644/-rw-r--r--) Uid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) Gid: ( 5000/ UNKNOWN) \ Access: 2012-12-11 10:14:59.000000000 +0000 \ Modify: 2012-12-11 10:14:58.000000000 +0000 \ Change: 2012-12-11 10:14:58.000000000 < 1355220958 667023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a good reference I'll keep it. < 1355221049 281105 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom < 1355221050 424568 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ ais523 \ atriq \ augur \ banach-tarski \ boily \ bonvenon \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ egobot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ england \ esoteric \ europe \ everyone \ finland \ finnish \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ freefull \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ gaspacho \ gazpacho \ glogbot \ gregor \ hackego \ < 1355221144 738848 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`banach-tarski < 1355221145 970464 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: banach-tarski: not found < 1355221154 139153 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/banach-tarski < 1355221155 189015 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1355221289 900816 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion is an anagram of recursion < 1355221389 746854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: Hang on... < 1355221391 611706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :JUST A MINUTE < 1355221404 708494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is your nick "Snowy owl" or "Snow yowl"????? < 1355221408 333115 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355221411 854113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHICH ONE < 1355221414 86757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is important < 1355221456 376096 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, how does OR work on strings? < 1355221492 173946 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Snowy owl" or "Snow yowl" == "Snowyyowl" bitwise < 1355221494 205658 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1355221528 213291 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I was hoping to make a witty but ambiguous answer there and failed terribly. It's "Snowy owl" < 1355221550 887953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> chr $ ord 'y' .|. ord ' ' < 1355221552 514728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'y' < 1355221574 580286 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop being a .|. < 1355221602 105096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :.&. < 1355221607 425446 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1355221625 726154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you mean ·_· < 1355221668 363704 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I don't, and stop calling my Shirley. < 1355221933 922242 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355221960 63720 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355222318 591928 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355222923 725426 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355223161 478372 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1355224140 855681 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355224167 109901 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355224247 806045 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355224253 284097 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355224321 683798 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355224485 39500 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355226822 803178 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355226921 799997 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1355226980 512747 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355228108 516605 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355228145 547129 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355229274 138164 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355230662 262792 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355231182 925299 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355231212 612706 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355231418 395180 :oklopol!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355231600 890829 :arcatan!arcatan@hilla.kapsi.fi QUIT :Quit: meh < 1355231670 890954 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355231696 165273 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355232784 756474 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355232819 119202 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Phantom_Hoover Fiora: Did coppro ever use the chance to beat me? There was an update a significant number of hours ago < 1355232836 22658 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 hours ago I think < 1355232898 787535 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355232935 439350 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355233068 197523 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you keep doing that competitive thing, it's just going to lead to someone having a bot push the RSS in here sooner or later. < 1355233224 973762 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think only coppro is thinking of it competitively. And not really taking it seriously < 1355233331 894679 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355233331 968186 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355233331 968328 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355233530 756628 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355233898 327881 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1355234228 615225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, some SNES games? http://www.ebay.com/itm/300830169972 (It's the BSNES guy.) < 1355234625 738351 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355234644 758062 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-54-21.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355234644 830660 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355234654 946367 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355234967 703787 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355235290 915566 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355235761 765245 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :en fait, ça me choue de dire "dédié aux mathématiques et ses applications" : si c'est "les" mathématiques, c ça doit être "leurs" applications < 1355235831 979216 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-21.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355236057 479145 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matin! < 1355236165 466365 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-21.elisa.ee PART #esoteric :"Left" < 1355236540 753245 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :salut < 1355236577 245568 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey why are there three esolangs that are "a file whose length is the base-2 representation of a Brainfuck program" < 1355236602 363238 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355236627 23805 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like they're even usable for anything < 1355236915 487509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you don't have sparse file support and have a lot of disk space to get rid of? < 1355237111 650181 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that part makes sense < 1355237126 318573 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't see why we need more than one such language < 1355237204 485052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly not a good argument for intelligent design, that's for sure. < 1355237633 20802 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Comment on appelle un mec qui pilote un avion ? < 1355237659 280278 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355237708 184242 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: I believe what we need is a better referencement of brainfuck derivatives < 1355237746 162494 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"WARNING: This may have already been thought of by a couple other well-thinking enthusiasts before you." < 1355237801 911764 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we also have 2 or 3 identical "turing tarpits" with two instructions, "no-op" and "execute", that both make a so-called 'wheel' of brainfuck instructions spin < 1355237836 589049 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for instance ! means > and .! means < and ..! means + etc.) < 1355237956 388338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Braincrash and what else? < 1355238013 52153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ellipsis, MGIFOS and Unary are all Unary, I suppose. < 1355238029 920980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bus-catching. -> < 1355239201 522604 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: competitive homestuck-update notifications is just. you're ridiculous XD < 1355239504 271824 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355239512 49363 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :homestuck updated? < 1355239568 4780 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355239568 78975 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1355239638 220613 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:33 < Sgeo|web> elliott: Phantom_Hoover Fiora: Did coppro ever use the chance to beat me? There was an update a significant number of hours ago < 1355239641 799429 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:33 < Sgeo|web> 10 hours ago I think < 1355239648 372276 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was the context) < 1355239855 798887 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355239855 799090 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355239923 373388 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355239923 446765 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1355241154 853841 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355241230 969077 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kgzwvxmgyromsdiy QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355242044 144760 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in Finland: architecture https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/425714_10151235714854681_575729566_n.jpg < 1355242153 269423 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tchernobyl is in Finland? < 1355242176 374098 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355242378 881297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355242380 536090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hervanta is where Tampere's cheap clone of a "technical university" (Tampere University of Technology) student housing is. < 1355242392 457130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought a tape deck from one of those buildings. < 1355242528 846265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3% of people of Hervanta live in a single building, according to Wikipedia. < 1355242547 417073 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Okay, a single "student housing complex".) < 1355242914 194873 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bqngvlyzwizmwgcs JOIN :#esoteric < 1355245036 760431 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355245080 487269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1355245541 488506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1355245541 647149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 7h 19m 26s ago: okay I fixed the /// thing < 1355245544 941638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :EEK < 1355245720 575854 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to program in Ook! there? I think you made a mistake. < 1355245738 458652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1355245755 333510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you trying to say "OKAY"? I think you made a mistake. < 1355245761 719102 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355245771 525806 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was still trying to program in ook < 1355245773 55969 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1355245776 442264 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :again a failure < 1355245780 217925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see! < 1355245813 910075 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355246767 896398 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1355247220 930562 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1355247531 322862 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355247547 979757 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355248682 398188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that AMZN has a P:E ratio of over 3,000 < 1355248931 771678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355248987 441684 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355249251 403263 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :poop:excrement? < 1355249281 603794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot of poop. < 1355249288 83654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or relatively little excrement, I suppose. < 1355249487 577480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355249557 959796 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355249754 911090 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355250102 740577 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355250332 667037 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355250457 866702 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355250694 860034 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 259 seconds < 1355250924 775993 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355251617 86155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know what time the winter solstice is this year? I calculated it on my computer < 1355251696 317429 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_solstice ? < 1355251713 701510 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355251728 564328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is Wikipedia article of it, but I can calculate it on my computer, without Wikipedia. < 1355251792 386600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you just wanted to know whether or not we knew it? < 1355251792 958733 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says at 3:11 AM in my time zone, at December 21. < 1355251803 499308 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know before I looked it up < 1355251807 268179 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Julian Day = 2456282.9666 < 1355251836 827329 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Wikipedia will tell you but why don't you calculate it on your own computer? I think even on the day before, they even said it on the news on television < 1355251910 259199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main reason I don't calculate it myself is that I'm not interested in knowing when the solstice is < 1355251933 855364 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: But it's CRUCIAL INFORMATION. How do you go grocery shopping without knowing that? < 1355251940 653213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you don't want to celebrate the solstice either? < 1355251968 9552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355251986 868667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is going to affect grocery shopping much, but it does affect the amount of sunlight, and so on < 1355252004 89388 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: grocery shopping? I just use my replicator < 1355252124 554888 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355252155 19321 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355252225 87685 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, christmas is pretty much the winter solstice but with an easier-to-calculate date < 1355252231 366714 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and EVIL COMMERCIALISM < 1355252256 13492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think when they decided that date it was the winter solstice at approximately that time. < 1355252338 499441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:37:48 If you keep doing that competitive thing, it's just going to lead to someone having a bot push the RSS in here sooner or later. < 1355252344 821783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That would be convenient because it could be ignored. < 1355252369 843899 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355252371 707908 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice timestamp < 1355252380 599486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the "competitive thing"? < 1355252382 738970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how I caused oerjan tons of work. < 1355252523 99265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Competitive Homestuck update announcements. < 1355252543 765040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I hear it's supposed to be in the next Olympics. < 1355252802 289375 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355252802 368257 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355252802 441754 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355253137 756900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/SeinfeldToday < 1355253204 834714 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355253272 884638 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Jerry discovers Newman is secretly an Internet famous fan fiction writer. George gets aroused reading 50 Shades of Gray, questions self.» < 1355254173 390826 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355254780 115040 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355254810 833274 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355256531 718202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355257296 846301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have program to play Impulse Tracker instrument that can be made into Csound plugins? < 1355257689 681012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMDp3A7aZeY "Description: i love fizzie the best of them all" < 1355257696 579369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too. < 1355257713 914110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really realize I was an aquapet. < 1355257723 2570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks pretty much how i imagine fizzie to be irl < 1355257726 675093 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1355257770 586521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What a strange noise" < 1355257772 194675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it makes me not want fizzie. its loud and annoying." < 1355257776 327423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poor fizzie < 1355257787 318091 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, sure, he's loud and annoying but do you have to say it outright like that < 1355257801 440308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not his fault he was born a speech recognition researcher < 1355257829 891072 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1355257852 249234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speech recognition researches are born, not made. < 1355257856 304707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps does this mean fizzie searches youtube for himself < 1355257915 296401 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're e-stalking my wife's coworker's new boyfriend, via his IRC nick/anime website profile/okcupid profile; I just thought I'd see what I get with my nick. < 1355257931 686730 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1355257933 612833 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's fortunately a common enough word; no me-related results in the ten first pages. < 1355257947 561184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, just to pass the time. < 1355257953 292604 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355258055 382579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think fizzie is planning to murder him.) < 1355258106 40615 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anime-watching website's statistics said he's watched like two-three thousand episodes of the stuff. < 1355258131 721145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the stuff" < 1355258134 993299 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how bad/good is his taste? < 1355258151 158847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't know, the site doesn't rate that automatically. < 1355258185 521981 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a site that uses k-means clustering to categorize anime fans < 1355258193 764501 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what is "the stuff"? < 1355258200 356067 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mecha fan" "yaoi fangirl" "moe otaku" "pedophile" etc < 1355258213 982286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I'm sure some of them do clustering. < 1355258231 812577 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.tsurupeta.info/content/anison-classification-from-unsupervised-lexical-clustering is what made me think of it < 1355258279 284616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I should do what our people always do and make a SOM out of it. Except I don't have a database dump from an animu site. < 1355258289 406747 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOM? < 1355258304 910813 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: copypaste and format trough awk/perl < 1355258305 737331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Self-organizing maps. They're kind of what our department is most famous for. < 1355258310 947600 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do those do? < 1355258372 384581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a kind of a dimensionality reduction trick, from one point of view. < 1355258378 478880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, just read the intro of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-organizing_map < 1355258396 950088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often you end up with 2D maps with recognizable clusters, anyway. < 1355258410 953369 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1355258430 990781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you once made one of those of the channel right < 1355258464 614136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Did you ever make something that analysis the logs and builds a model that can predict who is most likely to have said a given line on the channel? < 1355258470 403880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds right up your alley and also cool < 1355258475 506150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*analyses < 1355258492 443344 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would certainly be interesting < 1355258510 572026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did two different very preliminary experimets re stuff like that, but never anything terribly finished. < 1355258522 506735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it any good? < 1355258523 773585 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355258538 768325 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One with our book author classification course project SOM thing, and another with just a SVM classifier. < 1355258539 884615 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355258568 503532 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No; it was using the statistical features, you need a lot of text to get sensible estimates of those. < 1355258568 913988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like self-organising crap am I right < 1355258577 949881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: #esoteric is pretty old!! < 1355258582 359153 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does SOM compare to k-means stuff? < 1355258640 395988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh, sure; it works reasonably if you take like a thousand lines from each speaker and use statistics from those as samples. But it's not as nice as the "guess an author for each line independently" trick. < 1355258667 195541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: If you want to judge his taste, this was his "completed" series list: http://sprunge.us/YPcM < 1355258678 856937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well I don't care how you do it, I just want something that takes a line and says it's n% chance to be fizzie, m% chance to be elliott elliott, ... < 1355258696 695721 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooow @_@ < 1355258697 934570 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a huge list < 1355258772 556822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elliott elliott" < 1355258773 62120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go me < 1355258773 891622 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: And SOM's not exactly a clustering algorithm per se, it's kind of more like something like other manifold learning algorithms, it finds a low-dimensional (usually 2D) manifold from the input data, minimizing something. < 1355258792 526141 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it kind of finds a simple model for the data? < 1355258804 171068 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do they have "uncompleted" series lists too? < 1355258804 547550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, uh, naximum variance unfolding or something. < 1355258812 71633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think fizzie is just making up words. < 1355258839 714197 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They have "watching", "completed", "dropped" and "plan to watch". (But the other three were shorter.) < 1355258871 463847 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :6 "watching", 365 "completed", 4 "dropped", 43 "plan to watch". < 1355258884 3436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: And yes, you could say it finds a simple model for the data. < 1355258887 351056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that list has everything from near-porn seinen shows to shoujo < 1355258913 361322 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and shonen like fullmetal alchemist and ... gosh that's a lot of anime < 1355258917 266405 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've watched... like... 15 < 1355258948 78985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sorry, I misremembered: the "completed" list is about 5700 episodes. (A hundred days' worth.) < 1355259017 867739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The anime I like to watched included Akagi, Kaiji, Death Note, etc < 1355259036 606168 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :anime I like to watch includes Another, Mirain < 1355259050 713806 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+Nikki, Higurashi and Umineko < 1355259058 736346 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Mirai < 1355259069 906847 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :figure out what you want < 1355259080 261665 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.131.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355259102 669240 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows only one person who ha a longer list than that, and she's watched about 500 < 1355259139 85533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Basically a SOM just takes a (usually) 2D grid and then schmoogles it into the data space in such a way that it tries to cover the distribution of the training data well; it's essentially figuring out a vector quantization codebook for the data. Then you can use it e.g. for classification by labeling the grid nodes and doing some nearest-node/nearest-neighbourhood stuff. Or just ... < 1355259145 89184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... visualize things; the "u-matrix" (average distance between a node and its neighbours) is often plotted, it will show "borders" around clear clusters. < 1355259337 943864 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like uh this I pasted a while ago, https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/girls_on_top.png -- that there is a u-matrix. < 1355259366 942565 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why hexes? < 1355259381 922853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just traditionally a hex grid. You can do rectangular too. < 1355259386 145268 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: why name like that? < 1355259393 203380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders about the filename. < 1355259429 663505 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti, elliott: The red dots (female authors) are plotted on top of blue dots (male authors) when there happen to be books from authors of both genders in the same SOM cell. < 1355259435 873582 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355259437 483971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's a boys_on_top.png there too.) < 1355259488 574310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The size of a dot represents the count of books from authors of that gender that are closest to where that particular grid node is in the feature space. < 1355259495 586504 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what features is it charting? < 1355259497 145105 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm, i was wondering if it was for more connections between nodes or whatever < 1355259512 245382 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So regions of reds are where there are a lot of books by female authors. < 1355259542 425521 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, what features determine where in the chart the dots go? < 1355259558 906119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the background color shows the average distance between a node and its neighbours in the feature space, so you can see that the green cluster is separated by a really large gap. < 1355259568 822699 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There were some sixty of them. < 1355259572 642261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're really quite boring. < 1355259593 992297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Word, phrase, sentence lengths, stuff like that. < 1355259622 544882 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh, so the text of the books < 1355259627 142994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's green? < 1355259637 49600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither male nor female. :p < 1355259654 567913 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :genderqueer I suppose? < 1355259658 896967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's the human genome project "book" and some US tax database thing. < 1355259666 596196 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so no listed authors or something? < 1355259669 522172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was on Project Gutenberg data. < 1355259678 347861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No listed author we could determine a gender for. < 1355259683 275869 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I see < 1355259689 860001 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feature list here somewhere, where did I put it. < 1355259723 130624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://p.zem.fi/esomap-feats I think they're the same as these. < 1355259753 807384 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, so SOM can effectively cluster/organize a gazillion different features? < 1355259756 172126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "chars per word (N)"s are histogram bins of the chars-per-word histogram; the (mean) and (variance) ones are, well, sample mean and variance. < 1355259789 649265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be a rather bad dimensionality reduction tool if it couldn't. (Though I have a feeling people might still sometimes do like a PCA first instead of using raw features, maybe?) < 1355259807 384754 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355259820 286043 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, K-means isn't really good at that is it? < 1355259846 310150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly not. It suffers a bit from the curse of dimensionality. < 1355259870 941425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're not strictly speaking exclusive alternatives; you could do K-means on the data as mapped to the SOM space. < 1355259912 233755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specific word lists (she+her+hers+herself etc.) are things that an early gender-specific-features-of-written-language paper listed as having good class separability. < 1355259925 99644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the nouns/verbs/adjectives/adverbs features are pure cheating. < 1355259965 282530 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember seeing those word lists in gender text classifier things online < 1355259970 19000 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but gosh were they /bad/ < 1355259981 258394 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"feels": highly feminine < 1355259989 63883 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of when I took AI class and we did sentiment classification < 1355259993 768016 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like, 70% accurate was considered amazingly good < 1355260019 893195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just assigns a POS tag like that based on whether the word in question has higher occurrancy count in WordNet for senses in that particular category; it doesn't try to do parsing, or even any context-dependency at all. < 1355260109 414607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION can't help but expand POS differently < 1355260174 333047 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :were you able to get like, a % accuracy on gender detection (i.e. train on half the data set, test on the other half)? < 1355260182 932731 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was that not what this does < 1355260217 367963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: With 10-fold crossvalidation, our SOM clustering thing on Gutenberg data got average gender classification accuracy of 87%; but that's a misleading result, since you get 86% by guessing all-male since the data set is that biased. Average class accuracy (that is, average of the accuracy for males and for females) was 75%. But it really wasn't tuned for classification all that much. < 1355260232 312645 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1355260260 982234 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.131.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone recommend a build-a-robot kit? < 1355260262 577217 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff, the getting 87% by guessing all male. that reminds me of the "weather forecast" that consists of guessing that tomorrow will be the same as today < 1355260267 251948 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is nearly as accurate as actual wather forecasts < 1355260267 688921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: what kind of robot? < 1355260278 235466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: haha < 1355260282 778624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: wasn't that weather thing done in like arizona or something < 1355260289 567167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't imagine the weather changes much in arizona < 1355260296 385068 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1355260301 459179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty great though < 1355260308 146825 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.131.194 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Just something as a Christmas gift... preferably requiring soldering etc. < 1355260316 222907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Author attribution accuracy for Gutenberg with our 292-author set (so baseline guess-most-likely of 2.7%) was 39%, so it was certainly better than random guessing, which was pretty much what our goals were; I mean, it was just a project-work thing. < 1355260328 75402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://weather.slimyhorror.com/ this was for cambridge < 1355260331 217065 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1355260389 196680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'm making the assumption that predicting today's weather is dead simple, so the BBC couldn't possibly get this wrong." < 1355260392 870682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this person must be new to the BBC. < 1355260414 978505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok I admit I just wanted to take a jab at the BBC for no reason and have no real basis) < 1355260473 595448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey fizzie < 1355260476 166077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna upgrade the wiki for me < 1355260507 977191 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://zem.fi/~fis/esoconfnf.png is a confusion matrix for an #esoteric experiment with a "standard" SVM classifier on those same raw features, and maybe some further tweaks, I think using something like "each sample is a snippet of thousand lines from the particular person". It does well for some, less well for others. < 1355260528 482467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not really, no. < 1355260539 978352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ok i have an idea < 1355260541 688233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about reconsider < 1355260552 809353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and upgrade the wiki for me instead?? < 1355260578 540014 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting, 'ihope' didn't get a very solid recognizing < 1355260586 662133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooo. In fact, I think I have a pressing appointment and need to leave and go do important stuff real soon. < 1355260596 534752 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's very cool though, it can tell you /which/ author wrote something if you have some other text from them < 1355260628 552334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you're irresponsible :( < 1355260640 306155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if someone exploits the security bugs in the current version < 1355260645 535507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and deletes all the brainfuck derivatives < 1355260650 672102 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: With those features, though, it can't really tell you anything about who wrote a single comment, you need to collect quite a lot of it. < 1355260665 978576 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, if it can't tell you anything, then why the cofidence in that confusion matrix? < 1355260673 865011 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or am I missing something < 1355260684 762076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/0L um, don't we already have literally this exact same language already < 1355260703 483676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Because "each sample is a snippet of thousand lines from the particular person". As in, the features are computed from a thousand lines. < 1355260734 219048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't get very reliable "mean word length" features from a single comment, after all. < 1355260745 670777 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh, I see < 1355260751 627038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so "with a lot of text, you can find who wrote something" < 1355260766 943887 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. You could find people who have changed their nicks but not their writing styles. < 1355260778 372023 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I think I did get "automatic" groupings of people who had changed their nicknames in some other experiment. < 1355260820 419876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you find any secret doppelgangers < 1355260827 114053 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I've wondered about these things is how well they'd work with the same person but different areas of writing < 1355260835 921008 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like let's say someone wrote both technical programming books and romance novels < 1355260844 389924 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would it match the two? or would the styles be so different that it would fail? < 1355260850 266705 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally hypothetically, eh < 1355260863 910988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's any good databases of that kind of thing < 1355260874 641088 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouh, technical programming romance < 1355260884 79861 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... not in the same book XD < 1355260893 522090 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that pointer had a thing for that reference < 1355260922 961347 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I did find some pairs for which the machine gave a suspiciously high compatibility ratings, but none of them admitted anything. I forget exactly. < 1355260945 257113 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own < 1355260950 759825 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"w-will you... will you union me?" < 1355261031 55726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I would assume choice of topic/genre could affect at least many of my features (word lengths, type/token count, word classes) more than the individual author. < 1355261033 154942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That confusion matrix of #esoteric seem very much incomplete, I am sure there are a lot more people on this channel than just that. < 1355261046 962137 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no, I... I... I'm little-endian!" she cried, forcing herself away (and then you have a few pages explaining endianness, its history, its use in networks...) < 1355261047 409556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I'm pretty sure that is a comprehensive list of anyone who has ever been in the channel, ever < 1355261050 115782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it redirected to http://xn--nxa.zem.fi/~fis/esoconfnf.png what is that for? < 1355261063 530140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone told zzo38 he doesn't exist yet < 1355261071 709060 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you are terrible and wonderful < 1355261088 8241 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second that opinion < 1355261104 401198 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-154-246.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355261105 46075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also some people have changed their names so have more than one name for same people, they should be listed all name together, in the same row/column as the others but all included < 1355261126 947714 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-154-246.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a very... laconic topic < 1355261150 379949 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brevity is the soul of a worker, taneb < 1355261157 549920 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't remember where I saw that (was that xkcd? or maybe this very channel?) but I saw a "map" of "words" from the english language, geographically located in a way that reflected their relations to each other in some texts < 1355261164 528522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore wit = a worker < 1355261173 742052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: β.zem.fi is a laptop at home where I keep large and/or miscellaneous things, because the zem.fi server has not much disk space. < 1355261183 401733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(per the famous rule of logic f(x) = f(y) -> x = y) < 1355261183 571076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK < 1355261211 660405 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that is, words that would work in the same context, like "two" and "three", or "pizza" and "burger", would be located very near to each other) < 1355261226 623234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is the wiki updated yet < 1355261250 132728 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: "geographically"? < 1355261264 39853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, you should make up a new one with everyone on, including different name of same people grouped together in the same row/column, and include time as well. < 1355261329 456623 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: There are quite a few ways to make maps like that. Things vaguely like SOM, except many don't actually need feature vectors for the actual points, just pairwise distances you can easily get from relations like that. < 1355261347 307853 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hrm. geometrically? < 1355261353 670220 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1355261381 346472 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i mean, i just thought at first it would be like those maps that show where "pop" vs. "soda" is used < 1355261441 228959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really need to go now, there's a thing. Back in... four-five hours? -> < 1355261482 945666 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355261568 154007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty suspicious of fizzie's sudden departure!!! < 1355261648 348760 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh, right. Well, not quite. In fact, I have no idea what the location meant - there was no axes or explanation whatsoever, it was just clear that words that usually occupy the same function were very very close < 1355261677 341979 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: though I think I can find you a map like you describe, wait a minute < 1355261711 898672 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here: http://xkcd.com/1138/ < 1355261764 759881 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just mentally substitute "where words are most used" for the legends) < 1355261775 54706 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone living in a white area i am deeply offended < 1355261808 269408 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okies, screwdriver set arrived to try to finally get the bad RAM out of this laptop < 1355261815 736042 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first step: oh god it's shrinkwrapped < 1355261854 572361 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355261860 744729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, clamshelled < 1355261881 146660 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :second step, shut off the laptop and hope my stick arms don't fail me < 1355261941 808292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kept telling my therapist I wanted more conventional, non-hip-hop-oriented treatment, but it was no use. my shrinkwrapped. < 1355261947 992911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay i hate myself for making a pun that bad < 1355261952 339910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please kill me < 1355261954 88158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355261992 482241 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I kept telling my therapist I wanted more conventional, non-hip-hop-oriented treatment, but it was no use. my shrinkwrapped. okay i hate myself for making a pun that bad please kill me :( < 1355261996 500058 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hip-hop oriented therapy sounds amazing tbh < 1355261999 724786 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :864) I kept telling my therapist I wanted more conventional, non-hip-hop-oriented treatment, but it was no use. my shrinkwrapped. okay i hate myself for making a pun that bad please kill me :( < 1355262016 556654 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott++ < 1355262471 908208 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1355262488 691549 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found the culprit, as memtest is going clean so far... < 1355262500 235473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cursed 8GB stick of patriot memory < 1355262509 32246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's the worst pun I've ever heard < 1355262523 803614 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is terrible and I love it < 1355262524 968938 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://achewood.com/index.php?date=08102007 < 1355262895 337609 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355263068 684774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: did you ever see the paper about how random bitflip errors can be used to escape sandboxing? < 1355263116 256783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.cs.princeton.edu/~appel/papers/memerr.pdf < 1355263142 524981 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woooow. < 1355263146 352473 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 70% probability! < 1355263170 215830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh oh and i forgot about http://hakim.ws/BHUS2011/.../BH_US_11_Dinaburg_Bitsquatting_WP.pdf until just now < 1355263171 653650 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smart cards -- I wonder if you could use like a small radiation source? < 1355263173 274072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is even more hilarious < 1355263178 820810 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a hell of an intro paragraph there < 1355263185 68540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you register evil domain names which are a single bit flip away from a real popular site < 1355263194 475564 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that link doesn't seem to be working... oh < 1355263232 295288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :err whoops < 1355263235 248040 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, message passing isn't object oriented < 1355263236 194142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that link is a bad copypaste from google < 1355263242 867011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate hate hate hate hate how google mangles links < 1355263265 983130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.hakim.ws/BHUS2011/materials/Dinaburg/BH_US_11_Dinaburg_Bitsquatting_WP.pdf < 1355263283 907661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they registered a bunch of these domains and observed a pretty steady flow of traffic to them < 1355263295 229988 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1355263504 163915 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355263519 921202 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355263611 140371 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that first paper is really cool < 1355263616 417650 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how -easy- the attack is < 1355263620 820655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, all you have to get is one type violation < 1355263627 996668 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the system is compromised < 1355263631 821102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1355263640 565215 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads the second < 1355263731 379459 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Since we lacked the time or inclination to learn the oil-drilling trade, we decided to use heat.» lazy! < 1355263814 673085 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines asking the MIT Research Reactor people to lower an Android phone into their reactor core < 1355263831 22345 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355263880 804168 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"guys come on, we just need to verify our type system" < 1355263912 6883 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that second paper, jeez. that's really impressive < 1355263978 124952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: to cure its cancer? < 1355263991 872540 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the VM attack is cool. < 1355264003 9610 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355264039 678554 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355264071 544600 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opinion: http://esolangs.org/wiki/0L seems pretty useless even by joke language standards < 1355264096 399245 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, the iPhone 4 seems very... i dunno, 95 just seems a very low max temp < 1355264107 368537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I was thinking we actually already had the exact same language < 1355264110 928506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you find it do let me know < 1355264117 289556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with a different name, of course) < 1355264140 668154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think that's max external, not internal < 1355264144 153512 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355264160 610463 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "by our tests, if you use the iphone in a >95 degree environment, internal temps will break thresholds" < 1355264187 65610 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of degrees? < 1355264191 368498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :95 < 1355264203 935062 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no I meant, what kind? < 1355264204 542964 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nil seems basically the same, they both have the same quine even < 1355264213 847736 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Huh%3F is related (and also useless) < 1355264218 533236 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-154-246.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure I'm in an acute area, I should be safe < 1355264228 330367 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1355264238 673247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 95 of them! < 1355264244 245841 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I got that < 1355264247 98099 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you have to do to be in acute area is to be near Bike :3 < 1355264249 833248 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yes, i know < 1355264253 868686 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: fahrenheit < 1355264255 934933 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I meant like, what kind? < 1355264257 272769 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is america < 1355264258 144597 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thank you < 1355264258 706681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: aha, nil is it < 1355264260 896882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 95!! < 1355264270 139111 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how many real degrees does it make? :-) < 1355264279 640454 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: but i mean that means it's not rated to operate in arizona most of the time! < 1355264293 719601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither are humans < 1355264304 292710 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: 554.7 °R < 1355264305 312080 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weren't there reports of ipads overheating just because of like, being in the sun? < 1355264319 231884 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :°R? never heard of them < 1355264328 854642 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rankine, you fool < 1355264330 936513 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also 25.875 °Rø < 1355264339 125837 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're just making stuff up! < 1355264341 724477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't call rankine a fool :( < 1355264350 65890 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you ever heated things in 19th century france < 1355264359 888313 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1355264362 193159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that every tuesday < 1355264372 146325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we heated water until it boiled and called it 100° < 1355264388 219589 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and cooled it until it froze and called it 0° < 1355264395 40974 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, Rø is 1701 < 1355264401 362438 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ø is altgr-l, what < 1355264409 393348 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr+o for me < 1355264409 702443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys should i reinstall solidity's os < 1355264416 768619 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :altgr-l is ł < 1355264417 936334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rwin / o for me < 1355264424 280017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rwin o / if you wanna be weird < 1355264432 546627 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: rankine is fahrenheit, except that zero is absolute zero. i'll let this sink in < 1355264441 11011 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt-0 for me < 1355264449 524979 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shift+altgr / o works too for me < 1355264458 187129 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y'all suck < 1355264464 128106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: me too < 1355264490 915682 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hrm. Interesting. I think I'm gonna stay the close-minded nationalist freak I am and stick with celsius, then < 1355264495 446533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm this swedisn debian mirror isn't terribly fast < 1355264496 895360 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you all remember the HTTP-based freenode crapbot flood? < 1355264501 937823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was pretty entertaining < 1355264508 406419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :swedisn < 1355264511 675002 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: you're swedish? < 1355264526 409323 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-97-154-246.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355264531 372483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh does this mean I can blame Arc_Koen < 1355264536 415338 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly not < 1355264549 83295 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I like swedish to you? < 1355264554 373215 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what nation are you being closed minded with respect to < 1355264554 529374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody set up a web page with a form that would auto-POST to http://irc.freenode.org:6667 < 1355264560 731219 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's important to disambiguate here on the internet < 1355264562 414586 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a very non-swedish set of pixels < 1355264567 39490 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve: why... < 1355264572 308775 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. kmc < 1355264586 419932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with form contents that the freenode servers would interpret as logging in, joining a bunch of channels, and spamming them with links to said web page < 1355264601 254338 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. < 1355264604 26975 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's just assume he's Finnish, statistically it's likely around here < 1355264612 731724 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355264620 954164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was pretty brilliant < 1355264636 579803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think freenode implemented a countermeasure where if your IRC session starts with the letters "POST" you are disconnected < 1355264644 450162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an elegant solution < 1355264655 740843 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ah, so of course every time someone clicked on the link... < 1355264662 350946 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam laser < 1355264666 473447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1355264682 518003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like POST is interpreted as QUIT < 1355264688 431516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you try just now < 1355264690 367858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355264692 722459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with netcat < 1355264695 796235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"elite hacking tools" < 1355264696 141274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1355264703 666261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Hackers use socat, elliott < 1355264704 784053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amusingly it still keeps the connection open for a few seconds < 1355264709 679081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to check if you have an ident < 1355264714 311374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: socat is the grossest < 1355264734 103688 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no u < 1355264755 528728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a point of using the original ~1996 netcat for a while because it was adorable but I got too lazy compiling it myself whenever I reinstalled < 1355264758 190315 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many protocols are susceptible to an attack like that < 1355264815 84491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the book i'm reading on websec mentioned this with SMTP < 1355264822 669535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of IRC < 1355264936 510058 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :😻 < 1355264948 646600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1355264983 138235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys i'm upgrading php if it breaks it's not my fault < 1355264997 19428 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"if", hah < 1355265046 671184 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e⃣s⃣o⃣t⃣e⃣r⃣i⃣c⃣ < 1355265057 410235 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm looks not great on this client < 1355265074 479072 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e⃣ s⃣ o⃣ t⃣ e⃣ r⃣ i⃣ c⃣ < 1355265079 759958 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better < 1355265100 995812 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :da fuq < 1355265111 954486 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode covers everything < 1355265159 880225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuh uh < 1355265165 583986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no unicode penis symbol < 1355265175 265036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much less COMBINING PENIS ABOVE < 1355265194 507105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :navigating to http://irc.freenode.org:6667/ in Chromium gives me `net::ERR_UNSAFE_PORT` < 1355265217 251743 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf, chromium has no business deciding which ports you can http to < 1355265236 141620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355265257 221242 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMBINING PENIS ABOVE: just say n⃠ o⃠ < 1355265258 700009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well websec is entirely composed of ad hoc hacks to improve security by interventions on entirely the wrong layer < 1355265300 367340 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a related note, I think my ID card has technically expired ... time to figure out how to get a new identity and/or id card < 1355265322 670416 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long it will be before someone actually puts a penis into Unicode < 1355265399 580285 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ಠ_ಠ, that's enough for me < 1355265418 330606 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about Ꙭ < 1355265458 799269 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(U+A66C cyrillic capital letter double monocular o) < 1355265463 518544 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: out of curiosity, what was the time lag between making the various internet protocols and getting somebody who knows security on board? i'm guessing like twenty years < 1355265466 854673 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or never < 1355265514 78297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I would guess that the kind of security knowledge and practice that is relevant to the internet just didn't exist before the protocols themselves < 1355265520 333041 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guys I have important news: turns out there are in fact penises in Unicode: 𓂸𓂹𓂺 < 1355265527 76190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, if you're currently in jail you're not allowed to get a swedish passport - shocking < 1355265528 178035 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(egyptian hieroglyphics block) < 1355265552 176021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's not really a sequential thing < 1355265570 319507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a continuous process of people inventing crazy new features and other people finding security problems with them < 1355265581 516594 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+130B8 is your basic penis, while U+130B9 has some other object in view (?) and U+130BA is peeing I think < 1355265585 882077 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how exciting < 1355265628 647823 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, is that U+130BA PUBLIC URINATION? < 1355265640 950979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the information disclosure hole where you can tell what sites a user has visited by making some links and asking their color from javascript < 1355265653 429682 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, wow < 1355265665 413255 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that one is brilliant < 1355265665 708520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even once browsers closed that hole, you can trick the user into disclosing it by making a fake CAPTCHA < 1355265678 655441 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I just googled "unicode urinate" and got about half a dozen relevant hanzi. < 1355265679 576172 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its name is just EGYPTIAN HIEROGLYPH D053 < 1355265686 195350 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's the gajillion hacks involving cached dat < 1355265687 332220 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*data < 1355265700 877117 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can do something like try to fetch something and time it and see if it's cached? < 1355265709 421484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: hahahaha < 1355265713 681029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for telling me about this character < 1355265740 847030 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(full hieroglyphs chart: http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U13000.pdf ) < 1355265761 501347 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly there is no COMBINING PENIS ABOVE, what you gonna do < 1355265777 811331 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355265808 744497 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need some kind of combining character that makes other characters into combining characters < 1355265825 722857 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :determine a user's fetishes, for marketing purposes, by checking which hieroglyphs they have correct fonts for < 1355265859 24351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually unicode should specify a way to embed arbitrary instructions for the layout engine < 1355265864 275839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as berkeley packet filter programs < 1355265898 126693 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that tex? (we need an anti-mathnerd exploit, stat) < 1355265921 715563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.google.com/p/chromium/source/search?q=kRestrictedPorts < 1355265957 114623 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ, why don't they set up a whitelist instead if they're going to do that < 1355266001 182384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they forgot 80 < 1355266004 508021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dangerous port that < 1355266028 369022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows the only port that still works on the internet is 443/tcp < 1355266074 941597 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one day all protocols below HTTP will be treated as mysterious technology left by a long dead alien civilization < 1355266129 962586 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be hard to increase bandwidth if no-one knows how ethernet and ip and all that stuff works so they can make faster routers and switches < 1355266148 400749 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: memerr.pdf is fascinating stuff, thanks < 1355266173 624672 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :70%! < 1355266311 405439 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are interested in hieroglyphics you should have the fonts for all hieroglyphs anyways. < 1355266342 249932 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355266351 626174 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355266355 212770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think Unicode is making far more complicated than it should be, anyways. < 1355266358 934346 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355266383 70289 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355266549 915615 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree on the first point, would agree on the second if I could think of a better way ;-) < 1355266579 593407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why should there be fonts for only some of the hieroglyphics? < 1355266631 391244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode does have some unnecessary complexity < 1355266657 215521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it also has a lot of unavoidable complexity thanks to its ambitious goal of representing all text in the world < 1355266676 717576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the difficulty of that task is often lost on english speaking programmers < 1355266684 275661 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm not sure there *are* any such fonts? < 1355266696 457471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose language is basically the simplest case and is privileged by historical factors < 1355266732 545454 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, a quick glance at the pages and pages of CJK stuff should shock some sense into such people ;-) < 1355266796 488312 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah foreigners should just learn english if they want to use the internet < 1355266802 976421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't care what language you speak but I think Unicode is doing everything the wrong way anyways. < 1355266806 509971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare they cause a little extra work for rich english-speaking people in the first world < 1355266860 562772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't find zzo38's viewpoint too offensive though because i can just substitute "HTTP" or "PDF" or "normal IRC clients" and it is still something he would say < 1355266861 866074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you should not be required to learn English well anyways; a little bit ought to be sufficient. < 1355266866 438457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl going to buy cheeses < 1355266957 557472 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since if you are writing a document in some other language it should still be allowed, although what encoding you use is whatever you use. Such as you might make up the font, and then print out the document, using such fonts, then it is readable. < 1355267055 824340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't because I don't like other languages; actually, I think English is just as bad. But that is not the point! I mean they shouldn't overcomplicate things. < 1355267176 540115 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you're not printing? For example, people conversing on IRC using various characters < 1355267207 96548 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :∑(1/x) < 1355267245 59805 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :∀ fizzie ∃! fungot < 1355267245 804175 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: not in 1952. let handles it specially. monadzero was the perfect format for a timestamp. < 1355267298 855859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think computers should not need variable pitch font except for printing. < 1355267339 214286 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well,私為一思that君should be可to使変物s様this. < 1355267365 612850 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :㡕ኄڄᠤ薅? < 1355267402 122556 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does unicode handle boustrephedon, anyway < 1355267421 232748 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355267463 369969 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru JOIN :#esoteric < 1355267466 362494 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't :v < 1355267479 889953 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrors! < 1355267481 535581 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.131.194 QUIT :Quit: #rudolf .nose { color: red; background: url('very_shiny.jpg'); } < 1355267490 444555 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do a manual line break and override the bidi direction < 1355267531 42951 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355267705 275343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A better way to design a universal character set anyways, would be, instead you can tell many things about it from the bits of the codepoint, and from information in the font files, and from formatting codes in the document, and should not require built-in tables to figure out what everything is, and the program does not need to support all of them anyways. < 1355267730 982909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the way the Unicode decided what character to put in and how it is put in, is also bad, even ignoring the code numbers and other stuff. < 1355267788 835023 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is not such the bad encoding for the numbers, although any program that supports it should allow you to turn it off too, to use single-byte encoding. < 1355267872 198059 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are so many bits about a character < 1355267880 368474 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would end up with ridiculously long numbers < 1355267893 723566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is just because of Unicode they put too many in. < 1355267914 596848 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Unicode wasn't designed in one go. You'd have to have lots of reserved codepoints for future expansion of each category < 1355267916 738784 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having an initial BOM in the document lets you specifically state that the file is UTF-8 (or any other UTF really), so an application could use that to switch between UTF-8 and bytes automatically < 1355267919 611928 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would make them even longer < 1355267940 798438 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, what would you have left out? < 1355267991 243947 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: finished reading the paper. Slightly disappointed they didn't drop a computer into a nuclear reactor, but still good fun < 1355268006 751215 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355268011 379800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I would leave out almost all of the character properties Unicode has. < 1355268055 352252 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you means properties < 1355268059 769326 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you meant characters themselves < 1355268276 451779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably eight categories, meaning three bits, is more than enough. One means control characters. < 1355268321 742302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now if a program wants to know something about a character that zzo38 omitted it has to have a big table again < 1355268353 385569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355268355 496813 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :458) Taneb's been hit by melancholy. He didn't have any friends, fortunatel.y < 1355268357 896469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's my unique ID? < 1355268365 367513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why should the program need to know about such things anyways? Some of the stuff needed to know can be stored with the fonts. < 1355268434 909152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, other things, depend on the program. < 1355268447 226158 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't most of the fonts be keeping duplicate information then? :-/ < 1355268497 888204 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely properties such as script direction and which codepoint is the uppercase version of this one is more relevant to the charset than a font? < 1355268529 891212 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought typefaces were only supposed to be information about the graphical display. Stuff like whether a character is logically considered "whitespace" doesn't seem appropriate for a typeface. < 1355268541 87225 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your duplicate ID is this 96f5e4c4598813b8ac7fdc4e2ce9bd03 < 1355268541 160203 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1355268541 160387 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unique < 1355268541 160578 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did I typo "unique" as "duplicate"? < 1355268541 160687 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brain no worky < 1355268542 648993 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even case-folding can be an "it's complicated" question in some writing systems < 1355268646 342005 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I say we have only one font full-stop, typefaces are for graphics design weenies B-) < 1355268665 906077 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I elect Comic Sans. < 1355268729 349512 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :second < 1355268742 244815 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not.. webdings? < 1355268783 605084 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355268844 52656 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comic Sans all the way < 1355268844 617758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Information such as what is uppercase version, should be stored in commands in the file of whatever the program is working with; TeX is working in this way, so is TeXnicard. < 1355268878 281506 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :related: http://achewood.com/index.php?date=07052007 < 1355268950 849324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also notice that no matter what you include the character set, some information may be specific to some programs so they may not be complete anyways. For example, TeXnicard also need to know which letters can be used as roman numerals. < 1355268982 993306 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In TeX this is hard-coded; in TeXnicard it can be set up by the user.) < 1355269847 913555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run allquotes | grep zzo38 | shuf < 1355269849 889165 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :28) I am not on the moon. \ 333) Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose. \ 815) Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please \ 182) zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Av < 1355269870 497364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 182 < 1355269872 341630 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :182) zzo38: A better definition would probably fix Avogadro's number. It's broken? < 1355269892 593458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :182 should be editor to remove "zzo38: ". < 1355269905 851293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355269966 664121 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what for? < 1355269981 378145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foul! No synonyms! < 1355269989 558630 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1355270158 30373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be true that it would be better to remove "zzo38: " from that quotation, but I don't think you should just change everything like that. < 1355270174 744196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you ever flown an aeroplane? < 1355270221 336430 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I have been on an aeroplane a few times in the past. < 1355270272 34046 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you piloted one, I think he means < 1355270296 20909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that might be what you meant, but I wasn't sure. < 1355270300 475948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I have not piloted one. < 1355270667 143800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhere I read about the algorithm used by PHP natsort, but it isn't actually very good, so I have made a new one which is based on that but with many improvements, and now it need a table to keep track of what character means: spaces, punctuation, ignored, uppercase, lowercase, digits, roman numerals, radix point, and a few other things. This table is set up by the user. < 1355270710 352444 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@u@ < 1355270752 752216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example, "Chapter VIII" will be sorted before "Chapter IX" < 1355270830 580203 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And with the ordinary sorting it will do it wrong. < 1355270899 790282 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355271025 785939 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355271122 344266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each entry in the table also keep track of the position in the alphabet or value of digits (it doesn't care about the base they are in; any base is acceptable with no change to the algorithm); for example, if you want to use some character set with accented letters, even though their number differs but they want to be sort otherwise, it can be done. < 1355271143 867867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, whatever you want it to do you have to fill in the table with what you are using; it won't automatically know about accented letters and so on. < 1355271201 127254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since such things also depend on the character set (such as CP437, Latin-1, Unicode, etc) and even on the language; in some cases the letter with dot over is considered a different letter in the alphabet. < 1355271255 939642 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-81-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: ('') < 1355271331 424416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :USA has formally recognized the Syrian National Coalition < 1355271380 649720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? < 1355271437 889062 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoo boy < 1355271489 493569 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been keeping up with syria in a while, have the rebels held aleppo or w/e < 1355271530 329258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think byte 254 and 255 should be assigned in UTF-8 (Wikipedia doesn't mention what they are), even if not usable with Unicode. Since, it is possible even though is invalid Unicode they are still meaningful numbers. < 1355271589 749348 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355271692 186593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically no < 1355271692 881221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Syrian_Civil_War.svg < 1355271697 711609 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355271710 838735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here green = al-Assad government, brown = opposition or Kurdish forces < 1355271715 964749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :blue = "Ongoing conflict/unclear situation" < 1355271728 934094 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355271730 838864 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1355271763 861734 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it really a good idea to lump the kurds and fsa together < 1355271772 199131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1355271788 473836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how does USA fit into this somehow? < 1355271788 865185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it might be hard for observers to distinguish them < 1355271798 933348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :beyond just "the people that the al-Assad forces are shooting at" < 1355271808 317602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't want to lump together, if you know the proper data is it possible for you to correct the map with the correct colors? < 1355271812 770497 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the US is subtly definitely not funneling in weapons through turkey, etc < 1355271841 983644 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and during the election romney wanted to nuke aleppo or whatever. < 1355271846 958630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did he really < 1355271853 840248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember t hat < 1355271853 925699 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah but you know < 1355271873 663795 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :america world police etc, there was lots of stuff about obama not being mean enough to assad or whatever < 1355271907 841500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :USA should stop damaging things that doesn't belong to them. < 1355271943 68982 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really get to paying attention again, it was so surreal to watch a guy with a cheap rocket launcher blow up a tank in practically real time < 1355271949 165650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a statement we can all agree on < 1355271973 918659 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : blue = "Ongoing conflict/unclear situation" // I read this as "Ongoing conflict/nuclear situation" < 1355271978 151064 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was like FFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU < 1355271983 397969 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, the thing there is gas < 1355272333 222047 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355272409 382857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :( < 1355272422 253383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't come into play yet, thankfully < 1355272503 772966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION contemplates whether he wants to debate the tricky line between neo-colonialism and humanitarian intervention with zzo38 < 1355272524 739791 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't want to debate that with anybody, man < 1355272554 862142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: can you think of someone better to debate it with than zzo < 1355272558 684092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355272560 350325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus < 1355272566 89662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok agreed but < 1355272567 956797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who actually exists < 1355272581 205814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently itidus21 is on freenode right now < 1355272587 444051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should /msg him about it < 1355272590 770913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355272598 258504 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that square thing said that there were only eight people on #esoteric. < 1355272635 282868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see itidus21 in the channel < 1355272662 212665 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a sign on my house that says DEAD ITIDUS21 STORAGE? < 1355272684 940536 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but if I don't exist, maybe people who do exist are invisible to me. < 1355272728 77609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you know Jane St. apparently uses floating points for prices? < 1355272736 550510 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is common in finance :( < 1355272762 568773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they've thought about it carefully and can defend it, or something. < 1355272764 132328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is? < 1355272766 339545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355272775 785562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would've thought finance would be the place where it'd be uncommon. < 1355272783 236624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :should just make currency actually be floating point < 1355272801 513308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea. < 1355272808 687645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the banks that are actually moving your money around use exact arithmetic or should anyway < 1355272812 795755 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe when you deal with millions of dollars relative error is more the thing < 1355272822 644652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the hedge funds that are just deciding what to trade can afford to be a bit sloppy < 1355272830 751018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course they get sloppy in many other ways... < 1355272848 919588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finance scares me < 1355272862 223151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway I think the unit price of basically every traded instrument will fit exactly within single precision floating point < 1355272865 266265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :certainly double precision < 1355272865 751502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fine, ants. Finance. < 1355272871 650908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you get into trouble would be calculations on that < 1355272882 478406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you are just trying to quickly get a signal on whether to trade or not < 1355272893 119769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the actual price at which you trade will probably be different anyway < 1355272894 791008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it seems ok < 1355272967 944727 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1355272977 906061 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it occurs to me that the 'e' in 'bourgeois' is rather bourgeois < 1355272979 412330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that's true. < 1355273016 371560 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nelhage pointed out that *most* credit card numbers will fit in a JavaScript number < 1355273020 384628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a few do not < 1355273053 468083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^16 < 1355273055 449245 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10000000000000000 < 1355273090 43709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 10^16 - 2^52 < 1355273091 902137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5496400372629504 < 1355273105 311354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, these numbers are meaningless and I probably got it off by an order of magnitude anyway. < 1355273186 595563 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing about bugs involving, like, phone numbers stored as numbers < 1355273189 740262 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with area codes that start with 0 < 1355273210 588856 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :loooool *sobs quietly to self* < 1355273233 696758 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, due to people serializing august as 08, we can do this: < 1355273234 659774 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> 08 < 1355273243 787779 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, there's no JS bot here! < 1355273245 683690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 08 < 1355273247 628508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8 < 1355273260 388197 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that. But JS. < 1355273264 443169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0o08 < 1355273266 304412 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t)) < 1355273267 567214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity chec... < 1355273292 824143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: zomg the 0o08 trick is broken! < 1355273296 896563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if he logreads that. < 1355273366 297969 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the o supposed to denote there < 1355273395 915221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps telephone numbers could be stored using BCD it doesn't make sense to store them as binary numbers. < 1355273466 327625 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is the leading zeroes, I think < 1355273477 870704 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^100000000 < 1355273482 901585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: ExitFailure 1 < 1355273483 257594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: Prelude.undefined < 1355273486 201771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore the extra six values can be used for terminator and extension and * and # < 1355273515 164550 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phone numbers should be stored as strings < 1355273521 695703 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially since you can have stuff like + in them < 1355273528 828795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So that if your telephone number is 0123450 then you might have 0123450FFFFFFF < 1355273570 627427 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not only for telephone numbers, of course. < 1355273572 813449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if my phone number is 0123450FFFFFFF < 1355273634 557927 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are using the numbers on most telephones with "DEF" on the number 3 then you will push number 3, for example. < 1355273672 882583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ocharles.org.uk/blog/posts/2012-12-11-24-day-of-hackage-ekg.html < 1355273678 238409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty nifty. < 1355273678 311316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should upgrade the esolang wiki for me, thanks < 1355273683 998951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phone numbers should be stored as XML documents along with a schema certifying that they conform to the relevant national dialing specification < 1355273697 640431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'll "upgrade" it for you, if you know what I mean. < 1355273706 576019 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cool! < 1355273713 636318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telephones already have a country code though. < 1355273777 724291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only country code that matters is +1, zzo38. < 1355273815 553591 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1355273869 657187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends whether, in your database, you need to have telephones of other countries, or not. Since depending what you are doing, it might or might not be necessary. < 1355273915 392559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mosh: You have 2 detached Mosh sessions on this server, with PIDs: < 1355273922 172546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Am I meant to kill these manually or something? < 1355273925 688067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355273929 542952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they are truly orphaned < 1355273951 998894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they might just correspond to clients that have gone out to lunch but will return < 1355273966 249397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, lunch. < 1355273983 890923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this UX upsets me and I blame you personally :( < 1355274020 936504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uxer experience < 1355274063 232141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what would you rather it do? < 1355274082 563216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea. < 1355274092 174427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that doesn't involve me typing "kill ". < 1355274092 996780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What is elliott paying you for? < 1355274135 790430 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middle clicking isn’t typing. < 1355274152 906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe "mosh -wipe" < 1355274171 719857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could join #mosh and ask keithw < 1355274189 597047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: No, elliott really types "kill ". It's a zsh feature; you wouldn't've heard about it. < 1355274215 138405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's a lot of keystrokes when I could just bother you < 1355274230 507434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1355274248 73895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Please tell elliott about etiquit. < 1355274308 948027 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1355274690 670942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NTFS has transactions? < 1355275075 970209 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Ah < 1355275095 226636 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :butt -wipe < 1355275383 875605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: zomg < 1355275394 363433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how dpkg gets really slow at "Reading database..." after a while? < 1355275476 127090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently you can dpkg --clear-avail (and then sync-available to rebuild the avail file thing. < 1355275479 72656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then it's fast. < 1355276081 71569 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355276088 387492 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355276112 25018 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355276219 567020 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1355276483 578083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah whaaaaaat < 1355276492 650568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know < 1355276666 906214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is something like (*++x++) supposed to be OK in C? Probably not. < 1355276752 618488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would it mean, even if it was? < 1355276757 947882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see. < 1355276759 887021 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :++x++ is certainly not. < 1355276776 302836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think that means (*++x)++ < 1355276785 382796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is. < 1355276806 598122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess it indeed does parse that way around. < 1355276818 551400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it can't. < 1355276832 350422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because *x++ is clearly *(x++); cf. the usual *dst++ = *src++ loop. < 1355276845 827702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So *++x++ can't bind (*++x)++. < 1355276867 219486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :++*++x < 1355276877 123597 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should be, yes. < 1355276953 224587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the order of postfix-expression and unary-expression in the grammar means ++x++ parses as ++(x++) and that's just not right. < 1355277003 743650 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, some have proposed * should've been a postfix operator too; and also a postfix notation in the declarator syntax. < 1355277046 731162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because while it's not obvious that int *x[10] is an array of ten pointers (instead of a pointer to an array of ten), it would've been had that been written int x[10]*. < 1355277072 411043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you wouldn't need a->b for (*a).b because that would be written just a*.b and that's it. < 1355277091 737015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a* means zero-or-more as, though. < 1355277124 243711 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "int *x[10]" can also be written "int* x[10]" < 1355277133 867146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: That's just confusing. < 1355277138 938128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can write "int*x[10]" < 1355277139 66562 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it's pretty clear it's an array of pointers to int < 1355277139 980470 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *should* be like that but it's not < 1355277161 397210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some people will put both spaces. < 1355277163 454014 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Then someone goes makes it int* x[10], y[10] and then nobody's happy. < 1355277173 546704 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sethi [Sethi 81] observed that many of the nested declarations and expressions would become simpler if the indirection operator had been taken as a postfix operator instead of prefix, but by then it was too late to change." (Dennis M. Ritchie, The Development of the C Language.) < 1355277175 324424 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1355277190 602359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was "too late" in 1981, though, it's far too late *now*. < 1355277191 850401 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole "you can mix pointers and non-pointers in the same declaration" thing is just weird < 1355277195 587325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that mean x[10] is an array of pointers but y[10] isn't? < 1355277198 379019 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For making it less confused I will omit both spaces to make it clearly what I meant. < 1355277200 63271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Yes. < 1355277204 686909 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's weird < 1355277206 929408 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if it wasn't like that array notation wouldn't make sense < 1355277216 283889 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you'd have to do like "int[10] x" < 1355277219 293306 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way I looked at it I thought "int" was a type and "int*" was another type < 1355277226 646875 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are < 1355277230 657626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: clearly make - dereference < 1355277232 726905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and > struct ref < 1355277232 883952 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can mix types in a declaration < 1355277235 433206 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :c syntax is just confusing. < 1355277235 589732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a->b is a->b < 1355277244 825523 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Most of it is pretty straightforward < 1355277250 247758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Declaration reflects use" and all that. < 1355277260 502082 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"int *x" means *x gives you an int. And all that fluff. < 1355277269 660474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't int x[10] violate declaration mirrors use < 1355277271 702981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since x[10] is not a thing < 1355277276 805245 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it is ¬u¬ < 1355277283 266765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type of it is int. < 1355277291 40938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: well it's UB to actually evalutae it < 1355277294 78873 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes "straightforward" is how i'd characterize this conversation < 1355277294 152364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho (x+10) is ok < 1355277295 696092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*evaluate < 1355277299 215601 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still a thing! < 1355277313 53910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's not use if you can't actually use it < 1355277317 882217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can use it. < 1355277318 176741 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's as close as you can get to looking like the use and still having the length in it < 1355277318 575715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should clearly be int array[last_valid_index]; < 1355277319 635454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In a sizeof. < 1355277330 104832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero-length arrays happily cannot be used, so you don't need to declare them < 1355277343 91653 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is a zero-length array even valid < 1355277352 580030 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As it is < 1355277353 601249 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in standard C. < 1355277356 66208 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one way to know that < 1355277363 172072 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Read the standard? < 1355277370 866646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not standard C but it's a gcc extension I think < 1355277371 579450 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that makes two ways < 1355277375 201517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC has it as an extension, yes. < 1355277376 12608 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's another way? < 1355277376 394557 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I won't write "int *x" is because if you write something like "int *x=y" that means you are initializing the value of x not *x so if you write "int*x=y" then it is more clearly. < 1355277379 4148 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc/Zero-Length.html < 1355277379 772588 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most implementations allow zero-length arrays at least at the end of structures. < 1355277395 122066 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just the poor man's flexible array member. < 1355277401 560502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least at the end of a structure.) < 1355277402 713388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What if you write int (*x)(int) = y; ? < 1355277408 281926 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zero-length arrays should be allowed anywhere in a structure or union. < 1355277422 329223 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: How would that make sense? < 1355277426 808018 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always thought the whole array type thing was a bit... redundant < 1355277435 202100 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you can't place anything in those arrays. < 1355277438 325695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: How does what make sense? < 1355277446 876183 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mid-struct zero length array. < 1355277463 666948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: It would just stay zero-length. < 1355277465 32261 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's just a pointer. The only point I can see in using arrays is 1) stack allocation (this could just use a "stack allocate this pointer" syntax) and 2) sizeof() for static data < 1355277470 261879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it should be treated like any other array. < 1355277475 373131 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's all I can see making sense. < 1355277493 782576 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you would usually only put at the end, but to be consistent would make sense to allow anywhere meaning the same things. < 1355277505 105660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: Then you should be writing in B, perhaps, because in B "int x[10]" in fact does allocate ten ints and make x a pointer to the first. < 1355277512 106718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think C99 flexible arrays are not sensible. < 1355277516 49224 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1355277518 491223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: You can even x = y to reassign the pointer. < 1355277527 783229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: struct { int x; int y[0]; int z; } would mean that y and z have the same address. < 1355277686 507200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes it would. Like I said usually is not useful. However it can still be used in case you want it to have the same address, perhaps when being used with macros. < 1355277716 320666 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in any case you can still read the size of the element of the array, even if there isn't any; this might also be used in a macro to identify types at compile-time. < 1355277756 903329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I do have a hard time to justify the syntax for a function that returns a pointer to a function, because the return type's argument list ends up so far. (I mean, int (*f(void))(float); declares f as a no-argument function that returns a pointer to a function returning int, taking float.) < 1355277825 458686 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be so easy in ocaml < 1355277834 545428 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except you don't really have pointer < 1355277874 191485 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be so easy in ocaml except it's impossible :P < 1355277893 46777 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm assuming that int y[0] would still take space, actually. :P < 1355277893 743714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell has pointers : ) < 1355277899 286485 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A char's worth of course. < 1355277918 321306 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you make f return a pointer to a function that takes a float, then returns a pointer to a function that takes a double and returns an int, it's int (*(f(void))(float))(double) and if you add a few more steps it's no longer just doable without some function pointer typedefs. < 1355277937 204421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, that's missing a * in front of f. < 1355277943 50859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was already too much.) < 1355277983 528164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cdecl> explain int (*(*f(void))(float))(double); < 1355277983 762644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :declare f as function (void) returning pointer to function (float) returning pointer to function (double) returning int < 1355277994 883254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortunately there are tools. (Too bad so many cdecl's suck.) < 1355278045 439946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That type is hard to read but so is cdecl's output. < 1355278052 914866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure cdecl's output is easier. < 1355278101 922643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f :: () -> Ptr ((Float) -> Ptr ((Double) -> Int)) < 1355278107 344522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not ideal either. < 1355278275 110273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Float)" < 1355278276 920568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want a function or something else which has such a type of a function I will just use typedef < 1355278289 590518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it makes the syntax less confusing for me. < 1355278290 862891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ? < 1355278333 887365 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You and everyone else. < 1355278367 430761 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your parenthesization < 1355278384 581539 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also (Double)) < 1355278387 179656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what about my parenthesisation < 1355278392 317516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are one-tuples! < 1355278395 392416 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1355278397 206816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the problem with one-tuples? < 1355278409 988678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You think my syntax will curry C functions for no reason?! < 1355278419 990936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that what you expect, monqy? < 1355278430 483622 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-tuples.......................... < 1355278444 734417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, other people, too. < 1355278505 713001 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why shouldn't we curry C functions? :P < 1355278516 347871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote curry < 1355278516 994767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :integerToBreakfast says: = (["Cornflakes", "Strawberry jam toast", "Grapefruit", "Cup of tea and a biscuit, gotta dash", "Bacon, eggs, toast, tomato and mushroom. You deserve it", "Waffles", " < 1355278517 150040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Porridge of some description", "Orange juice and muffins", "Apples, pears, mango and kiwi", "A selection of cold meats with crisp bread", "Headache pills and water", "Leftover pizza", "Leftover < 1355278517 221690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vindaloo curry"] !!) < 1355278532 881798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what!!!!! < 1355278545 508774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet everyone wants to @forget that but no one wants to bother to get it into their IRC line. < 1355278548 14052 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vindaloooooo < 1355278659 135784 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"haskell curry" sounds like a spicy functional programming dish < 1355278679 506239 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vindaloo is such bullshit < 1355278686 679122 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean seriously, curry with potatoes < 1355278690 825307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Phantom___Hoover < 1355278691 539259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. < 1355278692 490957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Phantom__Hoover < 1355278693 77994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. It can only be attributed to human error. < 1355278693 902999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote Phantom_Hoover < 1355278694 296272 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :potatoes? < 1355278694 686597 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. I've seen penguins that can type better than that. < 1355278699 801669 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a vindaloo is like a type of spicy curry < 1355278703 605151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have it with lots of things < 1355278708 94093 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is delicious. < 1355278712 447564 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard it needs to include potatoes < 1355278717 355331 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it's not real vindaloo < 1355278717 852350 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vindaloo < 1355278722 454925 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, like all Indian curries, it is inferior to the Thai alternatives. < 1355278726 558792 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Traditional vindaloos do not include potatoes" < 1355278734 635738 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look i was told this by a guy in the curry society < 1355278739 843639 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who do you think you are < 1355278747 444114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, just reading wikipedia? XD < 1355278767 420184 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1355278774 189241 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wrote that article < 1355278780 142039 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I'm going to need to find a good Thai place around here and soon. < 1355278781 908422 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably weren't in the curry society < 1355278819 358049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The curry society is a scam, Phantom___Hoover. < 1355278823 798484 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmmmm, Thai food. It is the best food. < 1355278834 472026 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes indian curries :< and japanese < 1355278838 732182 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf is just jealous < 1355278838 810045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, "vindaloo" looks like the devil. < 1355278842 829375 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It both tastes well and fnarfs well. < 1355278855 750110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has most likely never eaten vinadloo. < 1355279085 27957 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Indian curries are alright. I've never had a Japanese curry I found to be at all good. But Thai curry... Thai curry is best curry. < 1355279101 367396 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, note that Gregor has no sense of smell < 1355279119 73602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I suspect anosmia restricts the flavor experience of Indian and Japanese curries. < 1355279146 434344 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1355279147 516096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :<_< < 1355279149 186774 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: wait, really? XD < 1355279150 895599 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC they're a bit bigger on aromatic stuff. < 1355279156 940745 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yes. < 1355279157 18825 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would for Thai curry too, wouldn't it? < 1355279170 560716 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Thai also uses capsaicin to great effect. < 1355279180 876667 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC) < 1355279188 260568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor is anosmic? < 1355279190 283815 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, at some point it was suggested that he say 'fnarf' instead of taste but he continues to confuse us all out of sheer malice. < 1355279193 263099 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1355279211 840498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to two people in #esoteric! < 1355279217 437221 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, interesting < 1355279231 599049 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom___Hoover: I never used the word "taste" in this conversation. < 1355279234 648460 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just said "is" < 1355279243 471642 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, Thai curry IS better than Indian curry. < 1355279249 747062 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never said you use the word taste. < 1355279251 831306 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*used < 1355279255 519892 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't anosmia pretty rare? < 1355279259 713627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: lern2eprime < 1355279270 515922 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just that you confused us all out of sheer malice. < 1355279281 164136 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Total anosmia is, partial anosmia isn't, and it's not total. < 1355279284 618676 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I've heard that people don't usually get anosmia" < 1355279286 329479 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1355279304 411191 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anosmium < 1355279333 363610 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modus ponies < 1355279349 840897 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anosmium: your sense of smell is very dense < 1355279380 202429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Total ordering is rare, partial ordering isn't. < 1355279407 635386 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematics in e' sounds difficult < 1355279560 234969 :Phantom___Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355279580 300611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thai food does kick ass < 1355279604 662569 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does. < 1355279630 681654 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I need to find a good Thai place around here whilst I have reasons to go out to dinner. < 1355279796 374228 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thai food is evil though because I'm allergic to peanuts < 1355279871 659525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good enough to die for, though, right? < 1355279883 220547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best thai restaurant near me is ostensibly a japanese / sushi restaurant < 1355279891 770343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the best szechuan restaurant near me is ostensibly a thai restaurant < 1355279947 736690 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of, like, half-live on curry and sushi < 1355279992 719570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You only half-live?! < 1355280016 372605 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am totally radioactive < 1355280038 661359 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I decay into Bike < 1355280048 414369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora = Bike? < 1355280083 537553 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a long-running gag elsewhere that I'm his genderswap < 1355280096 50457 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine is a tortured existence. Stable, but missing much of my personal identity, and will to live. < 1355280099 174144 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A corpse walking. < 1355280107 733546 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION patpatpat < 1355280304 311643 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is partially because we have like, 2 hour long conversations about jargony things like astrophysics and microchips and assembly and complexity theory that like literally nobody else there understands) < 1355280313 714891 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Are you female, or is the genderswap of Bike also male? :P < 1355280332 596039 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I am female? :p < 1355280355 917072 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<-- ignorant < 1355280364 437985 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay ^^ < 1355280376 262347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm female, and so's my wife! < 1355280439 117129 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I was better at understanding Fiora I would have made a joke about being whatever uranium decays to instead. < 1355280518 617453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Sometimes uranium decays into uranium. < 1355280530 70715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up decay chains < 1355280543 623041 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thorium-234 (for U-238) < 1355280550 415558 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not counting spontaneous fission or double beta decay < 1355280558 403325 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, I don't think I know any thorium-related jokes. < 1355280592 144261 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and U-235 goes to... thorium 231. so similar I guess < 1355280627 480609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thorizzle for rizzle < 1355280655 486351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike wields a giant hammer < 1355280656 438305 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thorium < 1355280683 7387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Th-234 decays into Pa-234 which decays into U-234 < 1355280693 517746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :COÏNCIDENCE? < 1355280705 858149 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHYSICS? < 1355280706 642760 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nitya decays back into Fiora! < 1355280713 48357 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1355280736 375488 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm up for being in a BZ reaction with you. < 1355280808 454901 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a pickup line? < 1355280879 762394 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. We will spin around romantically making pretty colors for a while, maybe get hacked by Adamatzky, and eventually end up a boring brown-colored bromine goop. < 1355281059 535716 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the end of the decay chain was like lead or something < 1355281115 685973 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition to not being a nuclear physicist, I am also not a chemist. I'm multi-talented. < 1355281143 773617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"end" < 1355281152 248917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora doesn't think of the future. < 1355281221 291784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Are you going to run NixOS on your nonfree laptop? < 1355281223 469355 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :She only has a half-life, she's going to live fast and die... well just live slower, actually. < 1355281271 601311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do physicists have half-life crises? < 1355281312 215027 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well okay there's the theoretically-possible decays that haven't been observed :< < 1355281318 991069 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but might happen over really long times < 1355281397 834762 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"observationally stable"~ < 1355281421 683830 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm imagining grad students staring at a block of lead to see if it decays < 1355281422 777600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ~ mean? < 1355281431 53093 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sing-songy tone < 1355281442 279137 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a tilde, it means, like, tilde-ness < 1355281442 426631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1355281446 936628 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Japanesey < 1355281452 571258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's tilde-ness < 1355281456 839762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i might try < 1355281461 883201 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=~ < 1355281477 788747 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a prep? < 1355281482 635763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should try and tell me how it goes! < 1355281490 799402 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a prep? < 1355281496 207363 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so... < 1355281513 633787 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, but Fiora apparently is one. < 1355281515 186438 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a literate. < 1355281685 964107 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is reading about nuclei and isotopes again, damn you < 1355281711 774260 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a nuclear clock reaction? < 1355281720 438048 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, what's that < 1355281732 463027 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_clock < 1355281739 267249 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except with something radioactive. < 1355281772 568093 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's with nuclear resonances not decay? < 1355281790 944159 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever! < 1355281804 623674 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_clock < 1355282129 68552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: okay! < 1355282132 94619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also today I got a UPS < 1355282143 285473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even managed to make it talk to Linux < 1355282156 187388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now I can check whether the power supply at my house is 117 V or 118 V from ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD < 1355282305 558700 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about the frequency? < 1355282332 257365 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be nice to know if you suddenly get transported to eastern Japan. < 1355282340 675315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355282369 260238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have that :/ < 1355282380 118155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kill-a-watt does, but does not talk to the internet without extra hardware < 1355282389 845376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: By the way, Cmm is a good compromise between Core and assembly, if you ever have to read GHC-generated code. < 1355282398 949918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1355282399 939381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The assembly is usually too awkward. :-( < 1355282401 357521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've read a little of it < 1355282409 393607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some unregisterized fvia-C code < 1355282411 682546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think of it until luite mentioned it. < 1355282433 328807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe LLVM would be good too. I don't know. < 1355282758 129231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dubious < 1355282764 472343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like assembly but there is more stuff to read < 1355282784 124651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a GHC Haskell decompiler < 1355283208 201193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders whether there's much actual use of that. < 1355283396 286443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/HoleyMonoid/latest/doc/html/Data-HoleyMonoid.html < 1355283405 309940 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: monqy Fiora < 1355283418 89497 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I looking at Factor again? < 1355283428 107283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it makes you use (Category..). :-( < 1355283481 834960 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web_: dinosaurs are cool. < 1355283485 460601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not actually necessary, is it? < 1355283547 689336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is the test of a good religion whether you can joke about it." - GK Chesterton < 1355283587 811206 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor does the whole mutable thing though :( < 1355283630 389289 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the whole mutable thing" < 1355283643 949904 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole mutable thing < 1355283762 195174 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, I have friends with whom I can joke about all religions < 1355283775 54510 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except maybe those religions we haven't heard of yet) < 1355283794 166999 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well those friends happen to be atheist though < 1355283853 15319 :Sgeo|web_!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355283953 554472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you've started putting things sgeo says in quotes and then sending them back to the channel there is no escape now < 1355283985 554447 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1355283987 482150 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1355283991 646067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :9D: < 1355284001 144436 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god how did you know that was your color in my client < 1355284004 700993 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what... what are you < 1355284029 962413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im a magician < 1355284208 915663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you turn illusions for money < 1355284260 74301 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355284540 865318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Your client colours people? < 1355284550 424673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Next you'll say it doesn't support Unicode. < 1355284571 821348 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be pretty boring to see everyone as white, i get that enough in real life < 1355284594 285425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Bike: Your client colours people? it would be pretty boring to see everyone as white, i get that enough in real life < 1355284597 307113 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :865) Bike: Your client colours people? it would be pretty boring to see everyone as white, i get that enough in real life < 1355284610 944688 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you live in vampire land or sick people land < 1355284620 807840 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wannabe confederate land < 1355284639 91520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Now your `addquoted me using British spelling! < 1355284645 701746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take it back. < 1355284646 71556 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it wasn't actually part of the union at the time... it's a weird place < 1355284646 914514 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what color am I < 1355284650 761225 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lavender. < 1355284655 994329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, pretty < 1355284689 200906 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't also do background colouring? that stuff's hideous < 1355284692 205283 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1355284695 882357 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "do you?" in there < 1355284697 793588 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice your client knows my favorite colors < 1355284736 914800 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it only does background colors when somebody vomits up a 4,7^C4,7 or what have you. < 1355284749 445956 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about this stuff < 1355284764 49343 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it does reverse video too. up to the latest 1988 graphics standards. < 1355284766 277022 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :5,7random colors < 1355284825 540983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :everse video. < 1355284833 354607 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/12780151/temp-behold.png take a trip, if you will, through another's eyes < 1355284850 834339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that ratpoison < 1355284860 717160 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ratpoison's sequel, yeah. < 1355284862 457966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe it is stumpwm < 1355284879 125302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are using the wrong obscure language for your window manager < 1355284884 419615 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes xmonad < 1355284899 852688 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no im shachaf < 1355284906 858886 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to use the much less obscure lua one i forget the name of, but it's kind of nice being able to fuck up my config in a language I know instead < 1355284908 162038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes im monqy < 1355284911 719685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally < 1355285045 123314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This computer will show the reverse-video, bold, but not the CTRL+C colors < 1355285094 635039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You'll have to acquire a better computer, then. < 1355285122 354944 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is because I programmed it to show the reverse-video and the bold but not the CTRL+C colors on the IRC. < 1355285133 926144 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It isn't because I purchased it like this. < 1355285138 188607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like, sex gonad < 1355285199 958923 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget if you can compose them asdf9,6ghjhjkzxcv < 1355285205 110104 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1355285219 479949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm getting my laptop next tuesday, apparently < 1355285239 220411 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1355285492 223352 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My computer using CTRL+V for reverse in IRC, and CTRL+R and CTRL+C are not recognized < 1355285594 86066 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at that, fiora, you're internet famous < 1355285610 260546 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1355285622 748789 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh, arc's quit message < 1355285625 566185 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pffffff < 1355285639 836796 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, that joke was really really awful < 1355285706 298610 :segorev!~cherep@broadband-46-188-0-82.2kom.ru QUIT :Quit: This computer has gone to sleep < 1355285771 47826 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.chessvariants.org/index/msdisplay.php?itemid=MSsymmetricunire < 1355288887 685707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :robots dot tee ex tee < 1355289222 731353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/14met7/oleg_typesafe_formatted_io/c7f8un6 < 1355289226 465469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are tricks like that worth it? < 1355290404 288531 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=743aa456c1834f76982af44e8b71d1a0b2a82e21 < 1355290409 362296 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :rest in peace, 386 support. < 1355290424 262688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh. < 1355290428 601451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux is back to 286-only? < 1355290432 742887 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, Linus < 1355290436 3366 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :love the ending < 1355290437 401914 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, shachaf < 1355290452 889261 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold, linus. cold < 1355290474 847519 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you should indicate that a half-piece and a full-piece cannot be contained in the same square < 1355290492 251836 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: OK. < 1355290494 567908 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :linus, why < 1355290498 416172 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i have to run minix on my 386 < 1355290503 612683 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you really want me to run minix on my 386 < 1355290521 360783 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :2007-11-15: 80386 support removed < 1355290523 859320 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit netbsd < 1355290562 658435 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :>FreeBSD 6.0 and newer no longer supports the original Intel 80386 CPU < 1355290578 970405 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :OpenBSD: >All CPU chips compatible with the Intel 80386 (i386) architecture, except for the 80386 itself, are supported: < 1355290596 282732 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :niiiiice < 1355290596 661151 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 NICK :Sgeo < 1355290601 542055 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a joke < 1355290610 401963 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linus, wake up! No! This is the wrong way to go! < 1355290625 589146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wake linus up < 1355290709 969252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I fixed it now. < 1355290762 572654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/linus/the lions/ < 1355291406 12641 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, was there any *NIX supporting 80286 CPU excluding Minix? < 1355291605 366946 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xenix < 1355291681 329998 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, forgotten Microsoft UNIX :) < 1355291753 669909 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ELKS. < 1355291796 817419 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355291868 653406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Tuesday longer than a piece of string? (I answered with another question) < 1355291921 127734 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yonkie: coherent used to support < 1355291949 727233 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yonkie: the latest version requires 386 but you should probably be able to find old versions < 1355292006 573625 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Tyr's Day refers to the god of law. The law is known to have a long arm. < 1355292019 916858 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Strings are not generally very long. < 1355292029 599137 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, Tuesday is longer than a piece of string. < 1355292323 768810 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing 425 lines from the entire kernel doesn't seem like that much of a gain < 1355292326 902043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I was comparing it to the speed of light. < 1355292328 572230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it is horrid code < 1355292379 179447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Merge branch 'x86-nuke386-for-linus' of git://git./linux/kernel/git/tip/tip < 1355292380 644220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a good uri < 1355292438 536503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Most 386 processors have a bug where a POPAD can lock the machine even from user space." < 1355292441 525440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1355292468 161995 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any *nixes other than minix that run in 32 bit protected mode and work in 386? < 1355292501 214934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, linux until very recently < 1355292519 978503 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they then decided to remove it :/ < 1355292544 572426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i ran minix on a 286 < 1355292547 939504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 bit protected mode aww yeah < 1355292557 332680 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even netbsd "of course it runs netbsd" has dropped support < 1355292561 385318 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: only minix 2 < 1355292576 31460 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 1.x maybe < 1355292773 946968 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Science is not perfect. Religion is not perfect. Mathematics is perfect. Nevertheless, science is best we have. Do you agree? < 1355292800 383595 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there going to be a quiz :< < 1355292830 517522 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1355292839 431810 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem very mathematical. < 1355292854 228236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say it was. < 1355292903 39390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how science is meant to be more "bester" than mathematics, though has no idea what you mean by "perfect" or "best" < 1355292913 941514 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, but I didn't say you said it was! < 1355292927 443224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I was just making sure. < 1355292937 238398 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the chess variants thing is written by zzo right? < 1355292949 981832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Some chess variants are. < 1355293021 970233 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@cookness-diamond.volia.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW, is there any esolangs mailing lists? all are seems to be dead < 1355293108 688564 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yonkie: Now we have IRC and wiki, instead. < 1355293116 175909 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mathematics is perfect, so in particular better than anything not perfect, including science. science is best we have, thus we do not have mathematics. < 1355293131 723523 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you agree? < 1355293189 548491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that isn't quite what I meant. < 1355293300 904096 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. I think I actually understand Factor resumable exceptions better than CL resumable exceptions < 1355293301 471966 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1355293404 756430 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh :( < 1355293446 884486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys can you help me upgrade the fucking wiki < 1355293629 276937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sure! < 1355293639 864096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you need? < 1355293668 876978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki knowledge < 1355293675 687427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that surpasses my own < 1355293733 271796 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to write a lot of templates on wikipedia < 1355293762 621024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who works at the Wikimedia foundation. < 1355293764 600686 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a string. it's a bit scary. < 1355293777 736253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: i hear they are going to use lua instead < 1355293799 951330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is a hashtable. it's a bit scary. < 1355293822 742907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree w/ oklopol < 1355293825 425582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strings > hashtables imo < 1355293829 177046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Use it in lua a real language? < 1355293830 444005 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355293852 876946 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. the hashtable part isn't the strangest bit of lua, it's how exposed the stack-based-ness is < 1355293856 873982 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho < 1355293864 815389 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is it exposed? < 1355293874 891051 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. when using the C API. < 1355293907 440364 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used it for some time but then i got so fucking annoyed with it asdfasdf < 1355293913 966151 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1355293916 519815 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355293926 261516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: do you still actually like code < 1355293928 464858 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stuff's horrible to read < 1355293928 538875 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did last use it a few years ago. it's documented okayish < 1355293937 461601 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: like code on which sense? < 1355293943 618038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : hi Gracenotes < 1355293947 790433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: a good question < 1355293950 114504 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355293961 818618 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i program things with a friend at least once a week. < 1355293978 21005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's fucking weird < 1355293980 307952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you ever finish that game < 1355293981 156929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1355293983 372332 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1355293988 100785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk < 1355293988 707982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one < 1355293992 441158 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we finished a game, sort of < 1355293993 853414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you were going to code it in C# or something < 1355293997 513965 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now we're working on another < 1355294003 488750 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we finished a game in c# < 1355294005 707975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1355294006 925832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it < 1355294009 414021 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :called blockfest < 1355294031 341704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it good; can i play it < 1355294035 997239 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well kinda finished, the graphics is horrible and for instance we had ai but were too lazy to put it in. < 1355294062 756276 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh err we'll put it somewhere for grabs at some point. < 1355294079 284772 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a silly 3d multiplayer game where you jump around with your ball and shoot other balls < 1355294113 807900 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have a kind of ninja rope and a burst thingie which are so strong that you're basically just flying around all the time < 1355294148 956460 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty good < 1355294151 335584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Gracenotes < 1355294153 681915 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a couple of different guns. < 1355294153 838247 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355294174 588488 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a level editor which is just lol and a single player game which is just silly < 1355294182 175789 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've seen that like 3 times :o < 1355294199 68226 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you feel welcomed? < 1355294206 751075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's the " and deployment" for? < 1355294225 223174 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :still on the todo list < 1355294241 389240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: is the multiplayer networked < 1355294249 140206 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355294255 272482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Bike < 1355294256 959160 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355294269 734162 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, I feel the metaphorical tentacles of this channel snugly wrapped around me. < 1355294290 523393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not implemented very well. < 1355294297 832626 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1355294321 239122 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we implemented single player stuff and then realized we want multiplayer and just kind of haxored it up. < 1355294350 914047 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but something like 5 players work okay at least :P < 1355294355 492780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1355294362 558916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: YO HELP ME UPGRADE THE WIKI THANKS < 1355294376 448835 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a global repository for servers, and anyone can join any game. < 1355294383 133778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1355294395 564767 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't really meant for distribution. < 1355294472 244583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: theres problems < 1355294474 970241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it makes me sad < 1355294497 312863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me guess, it'll break /// again < 1355294536 972459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355294538 357144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its more < 1355294542 216819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i literally cant do it < 1355294552 330707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1355294558 854061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have that problem a lot to < 1355294570 675431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to what < 1355294574 281617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D :D: D: :D :D: < 1355294578 301710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because i misinterpreted what you said < 1355294583 38527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was on purpose < 1355294583 880443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355294585 774662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+o < 1355294617 521671 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooops < 1355294675 420784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1355294676 436769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no monqy........ < 1355294678 50558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's oopso < 1355294688 677577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my magnum oopos < 1355294699 890406 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1355294755 838797 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the ais were pretty awesome when you had like 2 of them, usually they wouldn't care about you but just fight each other < 1355294769 854359 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they would shoot the ninja rope into the other guy and burst in random directions < 1355294780 71498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1355294781 517330 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they would just spiral into the air shooting with machine guns or something < 1355294797 561529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now there's just no. 523 left < 1355294819 479688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought ais too < 1355294822 210596 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you had more then 4 ais they would usually just kind of become a singularity of explosions in one of the spawns. < 1355294883 137788 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even want to know what 523 ais would do < 1355294914 51450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: some call it "Feather" < 1355294952 750146 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the new game, we currently have a something like 100 randomly generated houses with 100 randomly placed monsters and you shoot them with your guns. < 1355294958 495310 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-a < 1355295081 129309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now recorded the session 27 of Dungeons&Dragons game. < 1355295096 367298 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what channel will it be on < 1355295102 723531 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just bought my first tv < 1355295104 592823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ooh, they invented feather but the resulting chaos retroactively destroyed it again, as well as all except one of them < 1355295110 606630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It won't be on TV < 1355295114 581612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is text only. < 1355295126 846979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why won't it be on tv? < 1355295137 778046 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would prefer to watch it on my tv. < 1355295152 745196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: next question, what happened to the other 37 zzo's. < 1355295164 647152 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to record, in text, a d&d game once. it was impossible. < 1355295172 419744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Then, connect your computer to your TV screen. < 1355295180 858629 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i like that < 1355295185 674486 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you can watch it on TV. < 1355295188 591989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355295197 616658 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok see ya buy buy < 1355295282 324838 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if i cry if you don't help me upgrade mw would that help < 1355295361 42636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not really, no. < 1355295402 146222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it got you to use uppercase though!!!! it is working already < 1355295419 317386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a specific reason for that. < 1355295436 35880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::{ < 1355295445 993614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I see "specific" i think "south pacific" and i don't know why < 1355295465 812130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because "south pacific" is where we all secretly want to be < 1355295487 758952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly, there isn't enough land mass there to fit us all in < 1355295518 950367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a gigantic fleet... < 1355295549 472220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they had one and it sank and thus the BLOOP < 1355295560 189151 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bloop freaks me out < 1355295621 181933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw something about someone claiming it could be from breaking ice shelves < 1355295652 921455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they added it to the wikipedia artible < 1355295670 631071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :artible < 1355295679 10175 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oobs < 1355295773 582166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cryogenic signals" < 1355295813 400921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds alien < 1355295846 941720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're really from an alien spaceship from titan < 1355295857 842649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(titan is pretty cold you know) < 1355295870 386016 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has sirens, i think < 1355295875 485730 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_AE < 1355296041 9655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:17:20: what if someone exploits the security bugs in the current version < 1355296044 412585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:17:25: and deletes all the brainfuck derivatives < 1355296051 38674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least we would have a main suspect handy. < 1355297337 881240 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, today is 12/12/12 < 1355297496 868114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy < 1355297502 181370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this is like the last one ever < 1355297527 194193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Let's see if he logreads that. <-- NOT A CHANCE < 1355297556 299004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What did you logread? < 1355297566 950731 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355297568 692311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MAY NEVER KNOW < 1355297581 545826 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re. 12/12/12 https://twitter.com/GSElevator/status/278683602848448513 < 1355297583 540711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't it a question? < 1355297619 937813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like shouting < 1355297652 982556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even remember. < 1355297675 533349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0o08 -- REMEMBER ON THIS < 1355297677 40242 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t)) < 1355297677 144626 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity chec... < 1355297702 666276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you need to declare a special pointer in a C program, what would be the way? One idea would be volatile char x[1]; as a global variable. Maybe "volatile" is not needed but if you are using it only as the pointer and not the value I don't know what optimization it would do. I don't know if there is better way, though. < 1355297738 869398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Why is it difficult to record a D&D game once with text? < 1355297764 324732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh, right. < 1355297769 662511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you hate me now? < 1355297902 863752 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355297970 423066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MY HATE FOR YOU HAS NOT BEEN SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED BY THIS < 1355298012 558898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there something you could do with that even in vanilla ghci < 1355298022 13473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 0o08 < 1355298023 592439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Num a, Num (a -> t)) => t < 1355298932 711856 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks a bit like that lexer bug in PHP < 1355298956 113130 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 0 8 < 1355298957 287928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Num a, Num (a -> t)) => t < 1355298976 746059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoyed Titan A.E. as a kid but I have been informed that it is actually mega shitty < 1355299051 94538 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's completely according to the haskell standard < 1355299075 910982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks fine to me, even though strange. < 1355299086 147534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "foo\ \bar" -- did you know this is in the haskell standard? < 1355299088 175836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "foobar" < 1355299095 916144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now whether it makes _sense_ to have the greedy lexing rule be more important than not cutting off in the middle of alphanumerics is a different matter. < 1355299115 631344 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what the hell? < 1355299134 246982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes. i've used it for multiline strings. < 1355299134 320107 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: For multi-line strings < 1355299136 515348 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0o0 8 < 1355299138 325795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t)) < 1355299138 494845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity chec... < 1355299149 303096 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... egh. < 1355299171 316063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the worst part is you _still_ have to write explicit \n's < 1355299200 26202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful for a multi-line string that's indented within the source < 1355299213 159286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think it makes sense for 0o08 to mean 0o0 8 even though it doesn't mean you should write a program like that! (Unless you are doing something strange like polyglots or whatever) < 1355299226 870750 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, so the octal constant just ends before the 8 ... I thought there had to be something lexed twice there < 1355299228 994919 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think it's good that that is available, but having something with implicit \n's would of course be useful < 1355299258 988016 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in I'd rather have only that than only the alternative < 1355299267 735403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you use TH quasiquotes? < 1355299275 6108 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably be helpful to make this an error (invalid octal literal?) instead of treating it as 0 8 < 1355299290 138672 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, there's a library that makes [s|...|] work for that < 1355299301 390071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nolnsnerse < 1355299348 578004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i think a rule that haskell lexing cannot stop between adjacent alphanumerics would have been an improvement < 1355299350 24648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Maybe to you it is. To me, either way should be OK. < 1355299354 72378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's less surprising than \& < 1355299406 930252 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... haskell could just use radixals instead < 1355299413 202645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIGHT < 1355299557 862043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan. should i sleep. < 1355299579 883079 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why do you hate golf < 1355299600 992586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: TOO MANY HOLES < 1355299618 719360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: of course not, it's daytime! < 1355299635 498509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION all sensible normal opinion today < 1355299643 151902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the issue with HTTP POST to a SMTP server is even more subtle than the IRC spambot thing < 1355299664 132205 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355299664 415475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ? < 1355299671 643845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you mean it's very very late night < 1355299710 410343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote Do physicists have half-life crises? < 1355299713 646676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> (not |- (length :: [()] -> Int) |- (subtract 1 :: Int -> Int) |- id) [(),()] < 1355299715 866478 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :866) Do physicists have half-life crises? < 1355299716 590482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::50:33: Couldn't match type 'True with 'False < 1355299716 663397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1355299717 805647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want a refund < 1355299720 487173 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, let's say GET instead < 1355299721 69525 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: eat breakfast and it will be morning < 1355299748 8078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: but i'll still be tired < 1355299752 514355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i make you visit http://mail.example.com:25/ < 1355299754 864538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMTP should require HELO at first though < 1355299763 97078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the server's error message will echo that HTML < 1355299772 59747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your browser will interpret it as a HTTP/0.9 headerless response < 1355299778 451181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and assume a content type of text/html < 1355299791 920040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has access to *.example.com cookies and whatever < 1355299792 585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It shouldn't treat it as a headerless response unless the request is headerless. < 1355299802 272619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: apparently it does, though < 1355299808 545829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just read about this in _The Tangled Web_ < 1355299818 375118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, should I read that book? < 1355299820 511815 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it does, but, it shouldn't. < 1355299823 646899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355299828 463109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part i have read so far is very good < 1355299829 790700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure which IRC spambot thing you mean. < 1355299845 972502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned a lot and I really enjoy the author's tone of "wheeee the web is crazy and we are all screwed" < 1355299854 567681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maybe you were not here when I was discussing it earlier < 1355299861 984099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somebody set up a web page with a form that would POST-on-load to http://irc.freenode.org:6667 . The form data contained IRC commands to log in, join a bunch of channels, and spam them with links to said page. < 1355299871 864743 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However there is also the opposite problem, which the Google server returns headers even though the request is headerless. < 1355299872 559444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lcamtuf.coredump.cx/postxss/ was good. < 1355299883 825655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a result Freenode's IRCd now interprets "POST" as an alias for QUIT < 1355299906 920199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also TIL that chrome has a port number blacklist and simply won't let you do HTTP to port 6667 anymore < 1355299909 688041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, I see. < 1355299915 14636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it is the problem with HTTP and HTML and all that stuff causes a lot of problem like that. < 1355299930 689278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also learned about another hilarious attack, which is: < 1355299932 200445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, avoid it if you have the alternatives. < 1355299968 127179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that thing where sites can tell what other sites you have visited, by making links and inspecting the color of those links? < 1355299974 563359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355299981 456893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There are lots of other ways too.) < 1355299982 117625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :various browsers disabled that inspection capability as a result < 1355299984 50871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT < 1355299985 530075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the internet apocalypse, only zzo38's gopher server will be up < 1355299994 856768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still trick the user into revealing the information < 1355300011 669924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can look at cache timing, you can open iframes and see if they load successfully or not. < 1355300019 503919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by building a fake CAPTCHA that will look different depending on the link colors < 1355300025 119150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Into revealing link color information? < 1355300027 317548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hah. < 1355300028 545353 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: When looking at about:config in Firefox at FreeGeek I did see those things and realize that must be why. < 1355300039 236329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like this exploit because it involves covertly exfiltrating data through the USER'S OWN BRAIN!! < 1355300059 31384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like that particular information is very difficult to keep hidden. < 1355300063 728847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am not the only one who has a gopher server. < 1355300074 563489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some others, too. < 1355300075 935709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's a funny attack. < 1355300083 669565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good, good < 1355300129 210908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should read that book. Most things I've read from him have been good. < 1355300129 377397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :insame2 :: (TypeEq x x' b, TypeEq y y' b', b `Implies` b') => (x -> y) -> Maybe (x' -> y') < 1355300133 23047 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think security is an inherently funny field, because exploits and jokes have a lot of structural similarities < 1355300137 106996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tempted to tweak one of the letters of this function's name < 1355300213 774188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good exploit does something clever and unexpected, in a way that mixes levels or combines things that weren't meant to be used together, and is transgressive and mischeivous < 1355300223 923650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are all building blocks of humor as well :) < 1355300235 198101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have said before! HTTPS is not really so secure! SSH is secure and should be used to send money by internet, and it should be done by connecting to your bank account to split your account; this way is more secure nobody can steal your credit card numbers or whatever. < 1355300281 165146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i will sleep now < 1355300282 926470 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night all < 1355300286 443474 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, it is also a way of hacking, whether or not you are trying to exploit any security. < 1355300306 813445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hackers say funny thing too. I consider Feynman was hacker, too. < 1355300328 454738 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :humor is hacking of the human mind < 1355300345 631915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :((length :: [()] -> Int) |- id) :: (TypeEq [()] y' b, TypeEq Int y' b') => y' -> y' < 1355300345 787800 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: O, OK, then. Now it is understandable. < 1355300348 467766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not what I wanted :( < 1355300354 933856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you consider Feynman was hacker? < 1355300362 575334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. < 1355300366 88877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to make it even more general. < 1355300389 422042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I guess that makes sense < 1355300513 285004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't paid much attention to feynman, a couple of anecdotes maybe. < 1355300542 521673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he seemed to hack brazil's education system all right < 1355300597 473892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> test ["a","b","c"] < 1355300597 708181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"abc" < 1355300597 782126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> test [(),()] < 1355300597 782279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[(),()]" < 1355300597 782388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> test (123::Integer) < 1355300600 56784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"123" < 1355300602 611608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> test False < 1355300605 68707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry" < 1355300607 552321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> test ((),()) < 1355300610 14519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry" < 1355300612 750566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: am I terrible? < 1355300618 87976 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh what < 1355300625 351163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ps test :: (TypeEq [String] x' b, TypeEq [()] x' b1, TypeEq Integer x' b2) => x' -> String < 1355300638 651932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for what? < 1355300647 96396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sorry it doesn't know what type you are < 1355300648 738647 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For not accepting that type. < 1355300681 756860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the definition: http://sprunge.us/hMbb < 1355300697 485926 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats all this stuff < 1355300715 740591 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it typeclass hacks............ < 1355300720 312370 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott......................... < 1355300720 495653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(|-) :: (TypeEq x x' b, TypeEq y y' b') => (x -> y) -> (x' -> y') -> x' -> y' < 1355300720 709957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f |- g = fromMaybe g (insame f) < 1355300739 702507 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you typoed "insane" < 1355300744 269146 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's TypeEq < 1355300764 144434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: 08:15:36 tempted to tweak one of the letters of this function's name < 1355300779 120564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: an updated version of oleg's TypeEq hack < 1355300788 466707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure you want to see it < 1355300791 422045 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355300792 446917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class TypeEq x y (b :: Bool) | x y -> b where same :: p x -> Maybe (p y) < 1355300792 616936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (b ~ True) => TypeEq x x b where same = Just < 1355300792 689747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance (b ~ False) => TypeEq x y b where same = const Nothing < 1355300804 843631 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1355300808 849412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same is just witness to (possible) Leibniz equality) < 1355300810 329203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott now updates oleg, be very afraid < 1355300840 581841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the cool thing is this (|-) works both for mapping any type to a result of a certain type and for mapping any type to itself < 1355300850 63579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on whether you use (const x) or id as the last one < 1355300990 509667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cooool < 1355300994 588825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I get to use constraint kinds!!! < 1355301003 718162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, maybe? < 1355301004 573006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1355301085 547651 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man this sure is a hack < 1355301094 78096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean < 1355301096 293315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1355301104 298812 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's def. on the beautiful side < 1355301111 898763 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what isn't < 1355301115 888503 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's printf) < 1355301126 523492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you using printf or something < 1355301129 404527 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355301135 400538 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i know it < 1355301145 918991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm < 1355301157 540965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw insame is < 1355301160 130230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :insame :: (TypeEq x x' b, TypeEq y y' b') => (x -> y) -> Maybe (x' -> y') < 1355301160 241379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :insame f = contrasame f >>= same < 1355301160 314531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am just waiting for someone to discover that ghc now accidentally can support full dependent typing, as long as you do it in the type system. < 1355301162 273911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in case you didn't guess < 1355301167 440632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure you can figure out what contrasame is < 1355301173 537413 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you used printf < 1355301181 105449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Text.Printf one? < 1355301182 88801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1355301183 114803 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355301185 646394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote my own type-safe printf < 1355301188 551992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit awkward to use tho < 1355301193 508431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out oleg has done it better < 1355301260 556473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i've gotten to the bit i wanted to and have utterly confused myself < 1355301293 832118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1355301304 282064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this actually means you don't need Data at all? and can just use Foldable/Traversable < 1355301307 277012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no you need a < 1355301308 687309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type-generic version of those < 1355301311 783985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmmmmm < 1355301345 113087 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-confusion is the most confusing confusion < 1355301364 708732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i have no idea what i'm doing. does that mean i should sleep < 1355301432 148743 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not monqy, but maybe < 1355301445 906891 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's still just as confusing in the morning, you're out of luck < 1355301448 555651 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what are you doing < 1355301639 478340 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Overlapping instances for TypeEq y x b'0 arising from a use of `f' < 1355301643 300408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: overlapping instances < 1355301661 487131 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are x and y both equal and nonequal < 1355301665 998050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're < 1355301669 22072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a superposition < 1355301682 604492 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you do < 1355301686 437977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355301705 466039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i got < 1355301706 149160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmap :: (forall z b. (TypeEq x z b) => z -> z) -> (x,y) -> (x,y) < 1355301706 309968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmap f (a, b) = (f a, b) < 1355301707 341257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that working < 1355301710 645821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a start < 1355301721 714207 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh noooo < 1355301724 104830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't work when you use it < 1355301740 524049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to cry < 1355301775 923615 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355301948 403675 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried something with making a Fourier transform on two signals, and then using the real part of the result of one and the imaginary part of the result of the other, and then make the inverse Fourier transform from that. < 1355301965 822046 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it work < 1355301971 288412 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355302006 465331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it did work. < 1355302030 139312 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What did it sound like < 1355302040 320976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> gmap blah (1::Int, ()) < 1355302040 479527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(0,()) < 1355302040 552529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> gmap blah ((), ()) < 1355302040 552687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::154:6: Overlapping instances for TypeEq Int z b0 < 1355302043 56250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im so close < 1355302046 528718 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imaginary part is the phase, right? < 1355302057 963015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is channeling the spam < 1355302061 18908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or spamming the channel? < 1355302067 656475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355302067 914679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355302068 175569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355302068 403955 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355302068 589991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355302069 449244 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :520) now that we've cleared that up let us hug fungot = elliott_: let's not start that again." < 1355302070 516210 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :514) I'm sacrificing the animals, then I'm going to bed. < 1355302070 671977 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :652) if the halting problem was solved, as a placebo.. would it benefit people? < 1355302070 745000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :28) I am not on the moon. < 1355302070 828785 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :411) MY CONTINUITY MY FANFICTION RUINED < 1355302077 758737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: shut the fuck up < 1355302098 285118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, all of those are too good to delete. < 1355302098 918058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: No, I don't think so. Amplitude/phase are the other way to specify the numbers than real/imaginary, I think < 1355302101 656281 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf. etqet. < 1355302108 998283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no u < 1355302110 573573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Then don't delete those ones. < 1355302121 335184 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some of those make a degree of sense when read consecutively like that. < 1355302130 736397 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, I think I know now what it's like < 1355302137 136753 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what did it sound like < 1355302138 708007 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: whats blah < 1355302139 171393 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently NihilistDandy was writing fanfic of zzo38 < 1355302148 300302 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the moon < 1355302166 453553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to describe it but if you have Csound you will be able to use this Csound plugin so you can know by yourself what it is sounding like. < 1355302183 24336 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta go < 1355302186 31416 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Cya < 1355302187 592893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Why would anyone think you're on the moon? < 1355302217 261456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: The quotation is out of context. I do not remember. < 1355303076 780375 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355305208 84588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305208 502912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305208 674310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305208 930029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305209 165752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305210 32315 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :144) Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of? alise: TLAAW < 1355305210 526131 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :427) rest in peace lambdabot???? monqy: it'll probably be back later nap in peace < 1355305211 194678 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :862) [after discussing lens] they seem to be the fashion of this winter hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim < 1355305211 389287 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :148) the pregnant ones are usually taken already. < 1355305211 545119 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :139) alise: so parrot was based around gcc? < 1355305255 312833 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :148 < 1355305274 324851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even mean < 1355305317 117769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 148 < 1355305321 995683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* the pregnant ones are usually taken already. < 1355305349 85161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305349 366629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305349 602783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305349 773376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305350 32425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305351 449300 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :135) I love logic, especially the part where it makes no sense. < 1355305351 783801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :251) Why do you want to have sex in everything? I don't want. < 1355305351 963348 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :692) kallisti: by ordered multiset did you mean: list?????? < 1355305352 118912 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :847) fungot: what's your view on angels and other otherworldly beings? olsner: well i'm mentioning theoretical image to be dumped in rain forests of laukaa. < 1355305352 243309 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :375) oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing completeness page thanks elliott: IN UNIVERSO ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET < 1355305388 8846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :375? < 1355305426 870912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY CONFLICT OF INTEREST < 1355305428 491084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should not necessarily think you have to delete any of one, I guess. < 1355305464 304644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Good point. < 1355305466 524846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305466 725539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305466 958667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305467 204717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305468 92449 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :41) It looks like my hairs are too fat. Can you help me split them? < 1355305468 666982 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop < 1355305468 937564 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :797) Sleep on the ceiling next Sunday. < 1355305469 106977 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :682) i think i'll just take the usual route and go do post doc research somewhere far away and never come back and become a drug lord and kill myself < 1355305469 785992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355305471 573745 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :262) addquoting yourself? isn't that like commenting on your own facebook status? Yup, but I'm JUST THAT AWESOME. < 1355305498 330797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :41 or 3 < 1355305533 734264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think those count as vintage < 1355305550 405801 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about 262 then < 1355305552 36985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're still bad. < 1355305559 301576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why we need to eliminate quote ordering. < 1355305560 211401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps 3 < 1355305569 635810 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 has broken spacing, too. < 1355305578 728159 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is definitely bad though yes < 1355305587 184058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie makes a good point. < 1355305590 315741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 needs to go. < 1355305591 596666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 3 < 1355305595 709572 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* that's where I got it rocket launch facility gift shop < 1355305857 420347 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355306126 727089 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355306910 513492 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355306970 345821 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355306981 232312 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I keep not noticing the disapparation of fungot. < 1355306981 718530 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: others don't care, i'm not really sure i like < 1355307075 471986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1355307076 223116 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and use lower case pic. fnord/ img/ tmp/ skreen.jpg really has readable text? did you reload packages.scm? < 1355307089 69522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355307089 504205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355307090 48562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355307090 122124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355307090 204963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355307090 658354 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :548) Second Life is like... real life, modelled by people who've READ about real life, you know, in books. < 1355307091 43675 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :272) elliott: parents who put just "Chris" on a birth certificate are... like parents who put just "Bob" on a birth certificate. < 1355307092 73765 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :210) [on Walter Bright] I went to chat with him after his talk at the ELC and he was like "hum, right - humans. How do they work again... oh, hi!" < 1355307092 230872 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :751) is tswett Warrigal? < 1355307092 386812 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :43) If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ... I'd call it jabbear. < 1355307112 598812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :272 or 751 < 1355307316 329500 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355307316 439387 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355307316 439529 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355307667 382036 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: enlighten me < 1355307667 851592 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i suppose that gives it a nice fnord. < 1355307681 653272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FireFly was enlightened < 1355307707 308455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The toenails, on the other hand, never grow at all. < 1355307857 214520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, the feet just shrink < 1355307908 812074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So GHC stores the stack pointer in %rbp. < 1355308617 622496 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355308634 596784 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355308634 669734 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355308788 907768 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355309183 787729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355309458 242587 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@183.181.16.72 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355309762 968027 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1355311111 66256 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355311188 939348 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355311462 703966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355311845 606455 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355312630 60781 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 5 years ago: "You've convinced me. I'm going to learn Factor." < 1355312758 728416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard Factor was dead. < 1355312858 311336 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[04:40] 148) the pregnant ones are usually taken already. < 1355312874 669608 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :benuphoenix was responding to something I said, if that little bit of extra context helps < 1355312918 307143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355312918 671897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355312918 915872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355312919 189396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355312919 423770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355312920 182260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :143) Why do you use random acronyms you know we don't know the expansions of? alise: TLAAW < 1355312920 584446 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :517) elliott_: it's a machine that looks like you! < 1355312920 878489 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :52) both of you, quit it with the f-bombs. kaelis: what's the matter? something censoring stuff you're interested in? < 1355312921 654226 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :101) ooh a test to see your procrastination hotspots ill do it later < 1355312921 810736 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :247) zzo38: you missed the point. the point was way stupider than that. < 1355312946 61657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 101 < 1355312950 912132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* ooh a test to see your procrastination hotspots ill do it later < 1355314180 926766 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wc -l quotes < 1355314182 402340 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :863 quotes < 1355314190 330108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to run out of them, after all. < 1355314230 621633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355314230 922404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355314231 170870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355314231 326257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355314231 566993 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355314232 310811 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :62) Warrigal: what do you mean by 21? < 1355314233 573787 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :774) The world would be a much classier place if the world was full of Gregors. True, but how many of them are on fire? < 1355314233 671587 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :177) (had real world issues) (to deal with) Vorpal's pregnant. yes < 1355314234 181003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :365) elliott: actually, it's worse right now, I'm in the USA where the solution to counterfeiting problems is "add more ink" eventually all US bills will just be solid green < 1355314234 350804 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :200) GCC: -Os -O2 -O3 gives a 4x improvment < 1355314279 735465 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :774,365,200 < 1355314293 204131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: If your "fnord" URI up there was talking about http://zem.fi/~fis/skreen.jpg I don't think it's all that readable. < 1355314293 819140 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think it can be defined as a foreign fnord fnord? :d did i leave any channel but esoteric? < 1355314312 218678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Then again, I did use to read it, so...) < 1355314318 953952 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's quite readable < 1355314324 208323 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modulo the line noise < 1355314354 557092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose if you go by the literal definition of "able to be read". < 1355314370 284634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's quite a lot of color misalignment there. < 1355314493 434577 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just zoom out until it doesn't matter. < 1355314548 906385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I ran the CRT at 1600x1200 and that was perhaps slightly too high for the physical limits. < 1355314572 710421 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also from the corner of the screen, the middle part was perhaps a bit more RGB-aligned. < 1355315216 591364 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355315829 785557 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is a foreign fnord fnord? < 1355315830 412199 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i dont think i make up the syntax to do anything; markup commands are written out; for instance, i don't follow < 1355315857 843048 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: neither do I < 1355315858 761542 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: he even left here with the 0830 bus to go there implied changing step 1 to ' go.') the interesting question is how much work is already there for the different phases so i know what you mean < 1355315990 41900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: It's good someone does. < 1355315994 184567 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's the inverse of a function, then evaluate ' toosmall and return the one that is used < 1355317729 13024 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355318407 527509 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355318431 295093 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1355318431 600739 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1355318434 711114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so < 1355318438 56654 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wanted to make sure < 1355318623 725183 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355318667 737272 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just restamarted it, it gets reset to IRC then since styles aren't persistent. < 1355318687 79722 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355318694 183861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You really should save at least that ^ignore list. < 1355318694 778795 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there is no binding named push! or pop! specified in any of the pins and it was a particular type really is of that opinion. < 1355318737 63414 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355318748 549803 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I can't understan your sentence < 1355318749 185902 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: unfortunately that also depends on the axiom of choice can't be computed) save work for them parttime stuff < 1355318831 268234 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deep. < 1355318886 708252 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how are you this fine day? < 1355318887 314743 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: could you give a url for the odbc data manager? i can't seem to < 1355318900 765567 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: 'fraid not < 1355318901 233983 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: ( cons http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ 2081 < 1355318936 971848 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cdr fungot= < 1355318937 440867 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: its been said that magic is at http://magic.xmog.com/ darcs/ s48-grovel/. :) < 1355318942 731766 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh. (cdr fungot)* < 1355318943 258973 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: yow! perhaps it's that big lisp conference in amsterdam! < 1355318961 917220 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps so < 1355319057 247390 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355319064 623103 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(car fungot) < 1355319065 126144 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: it just stopped raining here. tweak it later. i did it with hannah arendt?" < 1355319827 992431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Raining? If anything, it'd be snowing. < 1355319828 542550 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: maybe just ' cpx' mayo!! i want a divorce!!... you're not clint eastwood!! < 1355320048 861315 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1355320080 114692 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever claimed to be, either. :/ < 1355320125 753554 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1355320147 235218 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just give fungot some 'cpx' mayo and hopefully they'll be fine < 1355320147 823784 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: i should have it repeat at the end to enqueue, and remove duplicates in the list. directly assigning the last cdr is an a-list. < 1355320175 426210 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: you really like lisp, don't you? < 1355320175 840326 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: indeed it does < 1355320194 704540 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: please try not to be sentinent < 1355320195 321394 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: maybe if you click on values to show those in turn... i'm going to have to work out < 1355320766 166232 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355320854 960053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sentient and "working out": not a good combination. < 1355321798 508354 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355321815 86493 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355322324 998949 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355322516 148376 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355323097 377180 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1355325144 74144 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355325714 774414 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355325874 15724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads comment from disgruntled author on Slashdot who claims they're getting no royalties from the book because, despite getting several comments from readers about it, the publishers claim it has negative sales < 1355325885 852264 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not significantly harder to believe than zero sales… < 1355326042 251578 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355326069 296544 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355326069 367831 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355326069 367973 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355326191 846529 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people sold copies of the book to the publisher? < 1355326238 970583 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355326367 630533 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it makes a lot of sense < 1355326372 947346 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :``[oblig]: Handy fact: "miles-per-gallon" (Imperial gallons mind you) is equivalent to "furlongs-per-pint" :)'' < 1355326374 755965 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `[oblig]:: not found < 1355326379 240259 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1355326400 80662 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine someone forgot to put a lock on the place where books are stored < 1355326408 623054 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so free copies are running around < 1355326429 985760 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the publisher knows that free copies running around are very bad for business, so he wants them bak < 1355326446 967315 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bak/back/ < 1355327152 300331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I don't know < 1355327160 194414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author thought it was the evolution of creative accounting < 1355327193 261503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the way that the amount of water content in meat in the UK is calculated by measuring it, then subtracting a constant and rounding in a particular way < 1355327196 981978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it can go negative sometimes < 1355327219 948292 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1355327900 114816 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355331187 283990 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1355331644 280134 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355331683 86983 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355331789 636434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run hg diff -c 1040 | patch -R < 1355331794 697569 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file quotes < 1355331835 232209 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hg boson < 1355332195 981237 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355332223 748149 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355332223 831624 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355332223 903086 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355332271 333168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1355332789 280010 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355332790 134383 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355332790 205931 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355332983 250667 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355333397 771418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355333889 533118 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355333912 250876 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355333938 102629 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so I was thinking, Feather's # can be implemented by giving method-objects a member named "#" which holds the lambda < 1355334074 51631 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you apply an object foo to bar (foo bar) then if bar isn't defined do index(foo, "bar"), otherwise do apply(index(foo, "#"), bar) < 1355334101 194509 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :numeric literals are just names and can be rebound, but initially have the "obvious" object with arithmetic methods etc. The initial # of a number object is its Church representation < 1355334145 894878 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (2 #) yields the lambda (\f\x.f (f x)) < 1355334178 350050 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and errrr I guess if I can't find a meaningful # for some object I'll just give it (\x.x) < 1355334284 966271 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355334366 930148 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the host evaluator I've got written here passes in an initially bound name "" which holds a few useful methods like ( call/cc) < 1355334367 650517 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should ( #) yield?? I am going with [x | x] :-) < 1355334367 721839 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay ais523 is AFK, but hopefully he'll logread later and his head will asplode < 1355334453 396638 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx2-h-1-8.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1355334485 921021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this isn't head-exploding stuff, I workeed that much out ages ago < 1355334897 133459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it's an indirect head-exploder, meant to just make you start thinking about Feather again. < 1355334918 385106 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355334973 821663 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-61-1.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355334976 57317 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-61-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is what I meant < 1355334982 943509 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi GreyKnight < 1355334990 570124 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-61-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1355335048 19173 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-61-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: IIUC a name is only ever bound to an object? i.e. (foo) never directly evaluates to a lambda, only the indexed reference (foo #) does < 1355335063 96869 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: err, lambdas are objects < 1355335071 819720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I mean, objects are lambdas < 1355335080 439434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a name is never bound to anything, really < 1355335157 496437 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-61-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, the "object" (foo) is basically a lambda which uses its argument as an index < 1355335218 128308 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355335227 583082 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355335227 905424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355335280 708308 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355336254 383761 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1355336561 9382 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355336591 919930 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355336848 567599 :greyooze!~GK@dab-ell1-h-12-4.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355337019 934200 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-bhx1-h-61-1.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355337023 930052 :greyooze!~GK@dab-ell1-h-12-4.dab.02.net NICK :GreyKnight < 1355337322 613729 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355337625 211519 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1355338078 616154 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1355338291 500963 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell1-h-12-4.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: It explodes! < 1355339606 38003 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355339913 579534 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1355341160 114426 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355341187 287960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generics.hs:87:27: < 1355341187 359455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce ((?) y ts ctx1) arising from a use of `spec' < 1355341187 359629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context ((??) ((':) * x ((':) * y ('[] *))) ts ctx2) < 1355341187 359740 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : bound by the type signature for < 1355341187 359846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : gmap :: (??) ((':) * x ((':) * y ('[] *))) ts ctx2 => < 1355341189 793145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (forall z. Spec ts z z) -> (x, y) -> (x, y) < 1355341192 865411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I might be doing something wrong. < 1355341203 617952 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1355341207 732406 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: open your mind < 1355341208 285390 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: whats gnome-vfs?) i had nothing to do < 1355341232 447760 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot is making more sense than elliott right now :v < 1355341244 521194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: < 1355341244 692321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :class ctx => (??) (xs :: [*]) (ts :: [*]) ctx | xs ts -> ctx < 1355341244 926030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance ('[] ?? ts) () < 1355341244 997568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance ((x ? ts) ctx, (xs ?? ts) ctx') => ((x ': xs) ?? ts) ((x ? ts) ctx, ctx') < 1355341249 169560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess that doesn't really help explain. < 1355341273 571269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O KAY < 1355341280 918357 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oic < 1355341364 613191 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm Fungot doesn't trigger a witticism? Or did he go on throttle? < 1355341395 404116 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come back fungot, you're the most sensible person here! < 1355341396 181963 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: ( it's also the whole impediment that disables him from being able to click ' ok' for me :) you mean to read the specs closely to the current directory < 1355341416 499745 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phew < 1355341456 623219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't even know what I'm doing any more. < 1355341464 948474 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For a minute there I thought I might have to try and comprehend that Haskell spew < 1355341517 609292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not haskell < 1355341520 156087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably due to case-sensitive? < 1355341550 917192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well it sort of is. < 1355341558 531611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I "only" have 13 extensions on. < 1355341563 602256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably don't even need all of them. < 1355341565 644703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :craaaaazy extensions < 1355341598 717045 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I, Leor Zolman, hereby release all rights to BDS C (all binary and source code modules, including compiler, linker, library sources, utilities, and all documentation) into the Public Domain. Anyone is free to download, use, copy, modify, sell, fold, spindle or mutilate any part of this package forever more. If, however, anyone ever translates it to BASIC, FORTRAN or C#, please don't tell me." < 1355341624 557318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1355341641 363058 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is BDS C? < 1355341684 575249 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :z80/8080 c compiler that implements subset of k&r c < 1355341716 585819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose now, other people might improve it, if they want to. < 1355341724 899744 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355341736 867496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: He's strictly a lowercase bot. < 1355341758 983689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you a caseist? < 1355341759 564272 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: is it an ingenious joke? :d did i leave? except to wish me good night, offby1. < 1355341910 64907 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mo' like off by 32 < 1355342073 196284 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you think of HackEgo as your sibling? Or cousin? < 1355342074 1838 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i mean the default handler procedure. it would just generate a new position for every recursive call? yes, that's my suggestion would be to cheat there < 1355342102 140173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> :k! forall ts ctx. (('[Int,String] ?? ts) ctx) < 1355342102 327685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall ts ctx. (('[Int,String] ?? ts) ctx) :: Constraint < 1355342102 400533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric := forall (ts :: [*]) (ctx :: Constraint). (??) ((':) * Int ((':) * [Char] ('[] *))) ts ctx < 1355342113 39795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't help that ghci is profoundly awful at showing this stuff < 1355342149 662129 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things I understood: Int, String < 1355342255 443781 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's [Foo,Bar]? < 1355342261 596666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@faq Hm? < 1355342261 758374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer is: Yes! Haskell can do that. < 1355342266 150965 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I will start small :v) < 1355342316 184124 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that elliott's code there has a lot of nonstandard stuff, and wouldn't be great for learning hasell exactly? < 1355342323 846676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: '[Foo,Bar] is a type-level list < 1355342334 699295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't think this code is good for learning *anything* < 1355342367 50153 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I know enough Haskell to recognise it is mostly extensions. But I was interested! < 1355342385 798797 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dangerous feeling, that < 1355342436 998801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe I need to encode constraint implication as a typeclass < 1355342445 801087 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think I'm about at the "just enough knowledge to be dangerous to myself and those around me" level :v < 1355342455 490094 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> x*x) 2 < 1355342457 747648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,4,16,256,65536,4294967296,18446744073709551616,3402823669209384634633746... < 1355342497 406681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. all I am actually trying to do is shorten ((x ? ts) ctx, (y ? ts) ctx') to (('[x,y] ?? ts) ctx) < 1355342567 335382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where does the letters of spectral class of starts from? < 1355342606 220159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Someone said he thought they stood for: awesome, beautiful, amazing, fantastic, good, cool, and mediocre. But, probably that isn't it.) < 1355342632 545567 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and O is for "oooooh!" < 1355342661 379859 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "m" was "mainline". < 1355342672 652622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Maybe it is but I don't know what they stand for. < 1355342684 26232 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even if they stand for anything. < 1355342716 53572 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually don't know! We should find out. < 1355342723 422477 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia isn't helping... < 1355342740 678416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also tried Wikipedia < 1355342780 440378 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The current non-alphabetical scheme developed from an earlier scheme using all letters from A to O" < 1355342794 516661 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though! It does mention a class W extension, which is apparently named after its author, Wolf. < 1355342840 275389 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://curious.astro.cornell.edu/question.php?number=488 < 1355342973 541210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia mentions some other classes too < 1355343033 356092 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a "Spectral types in popular culture" section?? < 1355343040 715827 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(please say yes) < 1355343318 357546 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (iterate (map (+1))) < 1355343320 214909 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = [a0] < 1355343325 597257 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (iterate (map (+1))) [1] < 1355343327 490035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = [a0] < 1355343333 666644 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :generics.hs:83:36: < 1355343333 880175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (Elem x1 xs0 'True) arising from a use of spec' < 1355343333 953684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context ((TypeEq t x b, ctx, ctx'), < 1355343333 953921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : TypeEq t x b, < 1355343333 954032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (??) ((':) * x ('[] *)) ts ctx, < 1355343336 178753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : (??) xs ((':) * t ts) ctx') < 1355343338 631532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: HELP ME < 1355343358 943996 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell might be the most confusing programming language ever sometimes :D < 1355343379 407149 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Confusion < 1355343380 653276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Confusion' < 1355343384 459291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: this isn't Haskell < 1355343388 724814 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one can help you where you're going, elliott < 1355343394 534074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is crazy-land experimental GHC extensions < 1355343406 71529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "haskell" < 1355343428 580367 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell++ < 1355343446 892826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah basically < 1355343457 793009 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with Enterprise Haskell Beans? < 1355343464 567048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is similar to complaining about C upon seeing some C++ code < 1355343472 237186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that C++ is at least a standard with multiple implementations < 1355343506 768698 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas *this* is just a big pile of stuff shovelled together and set on fire :o) < 1355343517 958590 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally unlike C++ in that respect, amirite. < 1355343528 95314 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no comment < 1355343542 469422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm should i give my C++ speech again < 1355343554 158521 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it funny? < 1355343556 189686 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have a C++ speech? < 1355343556 762020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'd rather one compiler that makes as much sense as GHC (i.e. a minimal amount) than the mess that nobody knows how to implement that is C++ < 1355343557 612823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1355343590 582004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because my opinion of C++ is uncommon and i keep wanting to explain it < 1355343603 326662 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's just a C++ *rant* then I could give my own < 1355343616 505026 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if uncommon means "I don't think it sucks as much as you think" i'd like to hear it < 1355343621 609996 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, probably not a major rant then, that is not exactly uncommon < 1355343669 724828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not so much that it doesn't suck, but it sucks in an unusual way that is not commonly appreciated < 1355343701 100458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is common for languages to have a haphazard pile of features that interact poorly < 1355343716 733840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is often said about C++ < 1355343717 203233 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would be interested? < 1355343719 189916 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which out of the many bizarre forms of suckage C++ exhibits do you refer to? :-) < 1355343720 159415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't think it's true < 1355343752 800140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, if you learn C++ in depth, you see that it all fits together just so, into a design that is powerful, consistent, and maybe even elegant < 1355343764 393284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately this design is so ornate and complicated that it sucks for getting real work done < 1355343776 166187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i do not think there was a lack of thought put into integrating these various features < 1355343793 764280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one reason C++ is often misunderstood is that people don't usually learn very much of it < 1355343810 420942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they approach it as "C with some stuff" and learn various features as they go < 1355343842 205372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when really, C++ was designed to be a high level language very different from C, which just embeds C as a foreign-function interface < 1355343854 913945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually what I have seen in C++ there is many problems. I don't like that they removed the implicit (void*) cast, and the template syntax which uses <> is no good, and there is too many operator overloading, only some should be allowed overloaded. < 1355343871 563378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there are certainly many many features that are just bad < 1355343877 195054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of syntactic ugliness from the embedding of C < 1355343902 975269 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make a new language called just "++" < 1355343979 42653 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :These template and operator overloading and so on are not too bad but I think should be made in a more C-like way without <> for templates and without overloading [] and so on; if you use [] it should use the overloading unary * and binary + and allow typedefs (rather than classes) to specify the overloading and parameters and so on. < 1355343982 621588 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I don't have much of an opinion but my feeling is just like, it's so complicated and tricky that it's really hard to understand < 1355344010 696565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just think C++ is the wrong way to improve C, and so is most of C99 and C11 also the wrong way to improve C. < 1355344034 782053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i agree that C++ is the wrong way to improve C < 1355344061 661636 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my feeling is mostly that smalltalk is nice and i wish c++ would have had a more message-passy model so that object-orientation wouldn't be the enterprise stereotype, but that's shallow < 1355344069 530089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is a totally different language with a different set of concepts < 1355344081 181216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like any language, it has a foreign function interface to C < 1355344089 114160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the syntactic nature of that interface is regrettable and causes much misunderstanding < 1355344122 950444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Well, I suppose you are correct < 1355344135 6342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another redeeming feature of C++ is that it's extremely unusual < 1355344143 756694 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355344146 748857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so learning it well (not just as "C with crap bolted on") will expand your mind and make you a better programmer < 1355344152 535205 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if they want to do that, there is more of the C stuff which needs to be changed in C++ since much doesn't fit < 1355344157 84858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355344174 476746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would love to use a language with the same conceptual basis as C++ but a more modern syntax that doesn't try to embed C < 1355344177 308261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think kmc should fix my code. :( < 1355344180 915510 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1355344209 761929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ is the only language I know where objects are first class, not just references to objects < 1355344244 458963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which motivates features like copy constructors, operator=, and now move semantics and rvalue references < 1355344256 870576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just thinking about why these features are needed in C++ and not other languages is tremendously enlightening < 1355344294 503691 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One could argue that other languages not needing these is a good thing :-) < 1355344315 198108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not arguing otherwise < 1355344336 620323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting to believe this whole endeavour was fundamentally misguided < 1355344338 817992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however C++ gives you a degree of control that you don't get in languages where objects are always by reference < 1355344338 897782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that there is anything wrong with that, but trying to fit it into C-like syntax and semantics, and using < > for templates even though < > are normally binary operators and not brackets, are not so good. < 1355344352 302375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in certain contexts, that control is very important < 1355344353 836655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and anyway < 1355344354 904550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's cool < 1355344356 532847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting < 1355344365 390152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should all learn C++ for the same reason you should all learn Haskell < 1355344393 679433 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be reasonable to make the programming language similar to C++ but not C, and then it would also be possible to make other improvements too. < 1355344395 523756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also an important cautionary tale for language designers < 1355344395 680369 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the C++ standard is like 1000+ pages, right? prooooobably not the best way < 1355344437 646868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, of course, you should not make it so complicated, either. < 1355344449 664522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if you already know some C and C++ basics, http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq/ is a great way to get exposure to various interesting corners of the language < 1355344464 645592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i would be remiss if i did not also link to http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ < 1355344476 144414 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i was referring to how i could learn the language < 1355344479 307920 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember that, the FQA is fun < 1355344480 323665 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, i'm aware of the fqa < 1355344576 604483 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning C++ from the standard is also problematic in that you would need a standard-compliant compiler to make best use of your knowledge :-U < 1355344599 902424 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Anyone who argues in favor of one language over another in a purely technical manner (i.e., who ignores the dominant business issues) exposes themself as a techie weenie, and deserves not to be heard." oh snap, son < 1355344603 752964 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: favourite language? < 1355344650 687117 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "All languages suck. Find one that sucks less at the particular thing you want to do." < 1355344672 168898 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355344689 522627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom for the job < 1355344689 757149 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. < 1355344692 393249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote for the job < 1355344692 630744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes for this person. I've seen penguins that can type better than that. < 1355344695 496619 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My variation on the sentiment you quoted < 1355344696 528397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote for.*job < 1355344696 849450 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddarius says: "use the right platitude for the job" < 1355344700 779153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it was ddarius < 1355344719 422482 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. < 1355344739 440375 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ddarius, king of the mmedes and the ppersians? < 1355344750 203080 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kking < 1355344788 757091 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355344796 195777 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Now let's get real here. I'm not suggesting macros or arrays or pointers are right up there with murder or kidnapping. Well, maybe pointers. (Just kidding!)» *monotone* ha, ha, ha < 1355344801 980486 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t flip ($) < 1355344803 757201 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :b -> (b -> c) -> c < 1355344842 799671 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«yay guillemets» < 1355344855 683016 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a language where quaternions are included in the standard libraries? < 1355344891 600645 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :POV-Ray has them IIRC < 1355344893 412702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: guys I am making a joke here! (it's a joke!) (you should laugh) (I wasn't seriously suggesting what you thought I might have been!!) < 1355344911 714665 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's a raytracer, but it includes a TC language) < 1355344913 783721 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this whole faq is pretty that < 1355344936 470342 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something mockery of business something < 1355344979 756661 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the tone of the FAQ is frequently aggrivating < 1355344987 541660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to skip to the bits with code < 1355345009 815106 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The FQA guy seems particularly irate about the "changing private members necessitates recompiling users of the class" point. He only repeats it 350 times. < 1355345013 243427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as bad as jslint guy saying that the ++ operator is the top source of security holes in the world < 1355345055 769599 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahah < 1355345059 597770 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to think of a way to open any security hole with ++ < 1355345088 491372 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does ++ do? < 1355345092 437591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :increment < 1355345098 331159 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1355345100 49342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The ++ (increment) and -- (decrement) operators have been known to contribute to bad code by encouraging excessive trickiness. They are second only to faulty architecture in enabling to viruses and other security menaces." < 1355345110 16640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355345110 601661 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :N=5; N++; //now N is 6 < 1355345116 428389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :crockford is full of shit < 1355345157 244606 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tricksiest usage of -- I ever saw: < 1355345202 629549 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :int N = 10; while( N --> 0 ) { /*...code...*/ } < 1355345213 84141 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrow operator :-D < 1355345218 312624 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is wonderfully terrible < 1355345250 578920 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you do that < 1355345254 768303 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And terribly wonderful < 1355345284 745661 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And terrifyingly wonderble < 1355345285 702314 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: IDK, maybe you hate maintainers? < 1355345299 849165 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int x = 0; int arr[5] = {0}; arr[x+++++x] = x+++++x; < 1355345303 589736 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ://what does this code do < 1355345320 662129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined behavior due to assigning a variable twice between sequence points? < 1355345322 96996 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depress me < 1355345322 921749 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined behaviour < 1355345340 540915 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that one < 1355345353 345664 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try { return 1; } finally { return 2; } < 1355345365 700083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :buh < 1355345374 97811 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1355345378 587314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to say 2 but i'm not positive < 1355345385 82020 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that defined behavior? < 1355345400 779520 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put that on the whiteboard in work today to see if I could break anyone's brain :o) < 1355345409 424251 :micahjohnston!~micahjohn@ell.io QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355345423 889169 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably depends on which language you're talking about < 1355345423 969070 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's either undefined or illegal depending on the language < 1355345425 41327 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a fun C++ language lawyer question XD < 1355345480 898323 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it depends on how final the finally really is. < 1355345494 220351 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pretty sure it gives 2 in Java, in fuzzy terms finally runs between evaluating the return value and returning and can return another value if it wants < 1355345496 855412 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try {try again} < 1355345571 106811 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's one i've seen in lisp before: (block buu (catch 'bar (return-from buu (eval '(throw 'bar 1))))) < 1355345615 839250 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a couple of bytecodes in Java added specifically to implement finally to allow nested finally clauses to work correctly and fun stuff like that < 1355345661 133378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ doesn't have "finally" < 1355345683 872495 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wasn't there a bizarre php bug report thread about finally < 1355345705 178459 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the response was "use RAII instead" or something < 1355345709 775366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a special case of the bug that the php developers are all smoking glue? < 1355345717 650189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355345719 355636 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously, but still. < 1355345720 49499 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.php.net/bug.php?id=32100 < 1355345720 675874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RAII in PHP? < 1355345734 472475 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«We've had long discussions and came to the only conclusion that we don't need that, for more search the mailing list archieves.» i'm convinced! < 1355345744 898342 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«And that design looks like Java where it unlike with PHP makes somewhat sense.» < 1355345799 662121 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Basically, most good uses of finally are used for deallocating resources. Another way would simply be to design an object that represents the resource that automatically deallocates itself via the destructor.» yep, there we go. < 1355345817 701106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355345819 872338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun times < 1355345849 19092 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally's Java and C# then? < 1355345849 594517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea behind RAII but the amount of syntax you need to create a new resource-holding-thing in C++ makes it really painful < 1355345850 406193 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :taken from "Stroustrup's C++ Style and Technique FAQ"! < 1355345876 321674 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's in both of them, yeah < 1355345877 420487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x+++++x" isn't undefined behaviour, it's a syntax error. < 1355345886 391443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x++ + ++x isn't legitimate? < 1355345893 777440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It parses as (x++)++ + x. < 1355345897 3592 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwww < 1355345897 794837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general I hated OOP until I learned Python and learned that you could use classes without creating a new file and a dozen lines of boilerplat for each one < 1355345898 989204 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a maximal-munch rule. < 1355345906 185926 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is a valid parse < 1355345909 927616 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You always eat as many characters as you can to make a token. < 1355345913 125081 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of learning java < 1355345914 829257 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's to ensure the language is LL(1) or something? < 1355345918 297786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I was supposed to say a constraint violation. < 1355345918 432738 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever the right one is < 1355345920 596052 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pffffffffffffff < 1355345923 311310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not a syntax error.) < 1355345926 769041 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :javac yelled at me when i tried to name the files differently from the class < 1355345926 887767 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1355345931 865137 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was like "why do you give a damn" < 1355345932 20172 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1355345935 946622 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :C is context-sensitive < 1355345936 850052 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :try again < 1355345936 928475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python has 'finally' as well < 1355345946 365045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while you could do 'try .. except' or 'try .. finally' but not both together :x < 1355345949 934772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however that is fixed now < 1355345950 892722 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1355345962 319844 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I like C++'s approach < 1355345968 338206 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception handling: arcane, apparently! < 1355345982 64878 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember my parsing termology bleh < 1355345982 905964 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god, wikipedia has an article "Exception handling syntax" < 1355345987 803694 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too long since that class < 1355345999 298776 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay so, x++ + ++x; compiles with gcc < 1355346004 95564 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x++ +++x; doesn't < 1355346007 340219 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "fixed" ... did they get it right though? < 1355346008 126352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC Haskell also has 'finally'; of course it doesn't need to be special syntax; it's an ordinary function < 1355346014 520063 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x+++ ++x; compiles < 1355346017 218738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i don't know what it does in every weird corner case < 1355346031 818195 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Sure, since the tokens for +++x would be ++ + x, and that's a syntax error. < 1355346043 255857 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no it's not < 1355346046 364705 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a semantic error < 1355346047 820038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC Haskell has another function "bracket" which is like Python's "with" statement, but again an ordinary library function < 1355346063 353940 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "lvalue required as increment operand" < 1355346065 137313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Oh, okay, unary plus. < 1355346067 166036 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: obviously you should try compiling with every number of plusses from three to thirty and see what happens. < 1355346069 644157 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there a unary prefix + operator in c++? maybe it can be overloaded < 1355346070 593204 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I guess means it's trying to do... ++(+x)? < 1355346074 850301 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355346076 539162 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355346079 937818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes there is and yes it can :( < 1355346083 331833 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: :D < 1355346085 575507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1355346100 405287 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... huh < 1355346101 952448 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's :) if you think about it as an esolang, :( if you actually have to use it < 1355346102 463008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ lets you overload preincrement and postincrement operator++ separately < 1355346106 176383 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x-- ---x; also doesn't work < 1355346108 611825 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1355346113 87565 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to < 1355346115 720855 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they have different types! < 1355346116 68317 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :--(-x) oh right! < 1355346120 755206 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because -x isn't an lvalue < 1355346121 260633 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355346121 652564 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1355346125 871763 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can have, anyway < 1355346142 953605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some cases preincrement can mutate 'this' while postincrement needs to return a copy < 1355346166 254075 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic < 1355346176 539119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq/increment-pre-post-speed.html < 1355346196 642337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the *way* you overload them separately < 1355346203 626406 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oh, so haskell has exceptions as a monad (if i'm reading this correctly), makes sense < 1355346204 191042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is hilarious < 1355346205 418084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.parashift.com/c++-faq/increment-pre-post-overloading.html < 1355346214 477641 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"via a dummy parameter" < 1355346218 136138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355346224 558477 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, why. < 1355346230 889840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :preincrement is Foo::operator++(), postincrement is Foo::operator++(int) < 1355346249 275438 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If that's not immediately obvious to you" fuck off < 1355346255 927007 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's Haskell. If it isn't an arrow, it's a monad < 1355346258 807089 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And arrows are monads < 1355346259 478097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's < 1355346260 3482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not < 1355346260 743901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1355346261 877354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shut < 1355346262 276751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :up < 1355346269 72636 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not true at all < 1355346273 651957 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't even know haskell, and nonetheless What He Said < 1355346285 961053 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the "native" exceptions are thrown and caught with IO-monad actions, yes < 1355346286 770056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way they designed those kind of thing in C++ is terrible anyways. < 1355346295 74607 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355346299 5965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some other monads that give exception-like control flow, implemented purely using functions < 1355346305 4239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same longest-parse lexer thing is why C++ templates need x< y > and can't use x> -- that would lexically tokenize as x < y < z >>. < 1355346307 189156 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wait, IO, what? < 1355346317 304645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. Either, ErrorT, and various third-party libraries < 1355346329 384554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, Cont, ... < 1355346331 633899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The idea is not particularly bad, but whoever design C++ must have had two conflicting goals and that must be why they messed it up. < 1355346332 472723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the IO monad basically gives you a full imperative programming language embedded in Haskell < 1355346336 839759 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1355346339 666742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:04:46 Bike: the "native" exceptions are thrown and caught with IO-monad actions, yes < 1355346342 300606 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, weird naming then < 1355346343 414818 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get IO, mutable variables, shared-state concurrency, exceptions, etc. < 1355346348 598653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit of a historical name yes < 1355346350 4429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also not true if you're referring to exception systems that are actually implemented < 1355346355 994922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is the only language I know of that has seriously tried to unify "returning error codes" with "throwing exceptions". < 1355346359 64311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GHC recently removed the old exceptions system) < 1355346381 576075 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how are they unified? < 1355346386 983816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Haskell, arrows are not monads, and not everything are arrows and monads. There are also comonads, categories, contravariant functors, applicatives, transformer, etc < 1355346403 4943 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I remember there was some specific thing about C that required context sensitivity... was it something involving like whether something was a typedef or a function name or something like that? < 1355346411 986438 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just lots of things < 1355346414 266956 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I was making a not-very-funny joke < 1355346415 390759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If a function :: ... -> Maybe Foo returns Nothing, is that "returning an error" or "an exception"? < 1355346423 476227 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that was the lexer/parser mixing < 1355346423 853572 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i suppose you could set up a monad that throws instead of just dumping Nothing < 1355346423 925049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think IO is actually the correct name for such thing < 1355346435 238648 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can do a lot of those things without IO, as well. < 1355346455 281643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_lexer_hack < 1355346466 602215 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhh < 1355346469 268973 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still love that name < 1355346473 262370 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/the/ lexer hack < 1355346483 604594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: see also http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2007/11/24/the-context-sensitivity-of-cs-grammar/, http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2011/05/02/the-context-sensitivity-of-c%E2%80%99s-grammar-revisited/ < 1355346490 215355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I would say it is just returning Nothing. However, if you treat it as the action-oriented monad, then it is like an error. < 1355346501 329987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Right. < 1355346501 869482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there's even more http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2012/06/28/the-type-variable-name-ambiguity-in-c/ http://eli.thegreenplace.net/2012/07/05/how-clang-handles-the-type-variable-name-ambiguity-of-cc/ < 1355346520 760053 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and to answer that i'd say it's returning an error code, but as I understand haskell you could set things up to make that "throw an exception"? < 1355346543 232015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, "throwing an exception" is exactly the same thing, really. < 1355346576 679320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I say do { x <- thingThatCanFail1; y <- thingThatCanFail2; return (x + y) }, and either of those things fail (are Nothing), the whole computation fails (is Nothing). < 1355346577 462715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, the hack is scope-sensitive too < 1355346577 840706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have other-language-style exceptions if you feel like it, and they'd still be the same thing < 1355346580 695763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but normally you don't bother < 1355346608 172291 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, because that's how the monad is set up, yeah? < 1355346620 382180 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, it's in the definition of (>>=) for that particular type < 1355346634 410614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. You can define how "do" behaves for your type, within certain constraints. < 1355346635 774803 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I wouldn't write it that way but yes that is a way. I might use liftA2 < 1355346643 984340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yes but that's not the point. < 1355346661 647883 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could have a monad that's like Maybe but returns either Just [result] or Error [code], and have try/catch style on top of that pretty simply < 1355346668 304305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355346669 872421 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that you have Either < 1355346675 538738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :careful about using [] there < 1355346677 346532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that is list syntax < 1355346680 594168 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in Finland https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/380205_10151148043401513_824523926_n.jpg < 1355346680 672681 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1355346682 513957 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { Left 3; Left 4 } < 1355346684 406675 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left 3 < 1355346687 109690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that monad exists, btw -- Either) < 1355346687 608685 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm running out of metasyntax, elliott < 1355346688 898070 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help me < 1355346692 885536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { Right 3; Right 4 } < 1355346694 629354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right 4 < 1355346695 552236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never metasyntax I didn't like. < 1355346697 555147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Left error vs. Right result < 1355346702 237883 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In C++ I like https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Most_vexing_parse < 1355346703 203531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh there is a cute visual symmetry there :) < 1355346705 322371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thankfully Haskell is its own metasyntax! < 1355346711 623723 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that mean < 1355346715 737469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1355346717 918851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't mean anything < 1355346717 997810 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks for the links, those are really cool < 1355346720 532081 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noted < 1355346723 222880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's why i started using «guillemets» in #haskell < 1355346724 439523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it means you don't need to quote variables specially to talk about them :P < 1355346725 986363 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that don't mean things are the bomb < 1355346729 689936 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have to use Left as an error necessarily; you can also use it to mean that is the final result and no further calculation is required. < 1355346735 84269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: awesome name at least < 1355346737 43076 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: damn, i was just about to make a joke about that since i'ts how i usually quote anyway. < 1355346738 251966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: really horrific :P < 1355346776 521397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Do you have your right Alt key set up as AltGr? < 1355346779 133713 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355346780 924904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use compose < 1355346786 685660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should try AltGr! < 1355346788 97421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's great. < 1355346788 332873 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use AltGr and Compose. < 1355346789 943661 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, i was gonna set up compose because of your post < 1355346796 7552 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :AltGr is great <3 < 1355346797 275654 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then i realized that i don't actually want to type in greek very often < 1355346800 706374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since we're talking about awful syntactic corners of C++ i feel that somebody should bring up 'typename' and also that weird use of 'template' keyword < 1355346810 595226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.template bar()? < 1355346812 561915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used typename in my Deadfish interpreter in C++ templates < 1355346817 976261 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do guillemets mean in haskell? < 1355346820 122507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cunningly works reference to the fact that he did that into ordinary sentence < 1355346820 792336 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's interesting how like, you could probably make a tiny change to the language to make the problem go away < 1355346827 420512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe there's no Dvorak (AltGr deadkeys) by default. < 1355346829 574318 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why they designed it that way, or if they didn't realize it? < 1355346841 381023 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah except I think foo needs to be a qualified name or something < 1355346854 339747 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be pretty surprised if nobody had come up with altgr deadkeys dvorak, though < 1355346862 717705 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i think i know a guy who uses that... < 1355346884 110304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://eigen.tuxfamily.org/dox/TopicTemplateKeyword.html < 1355346893 165221 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what a waste of characters! typename is longer than class < 1355346894 860895 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION uses a localized dvorak variant with deadkeys and altgr < 1355346903 983574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I don't think class would have worked? < 1355346906 393904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe it was template I used < 1355346915 434904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deadfish#C.2B.2B_templates < 1355346919 631880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe and Either monads are not for catching errors; that is just one possible use of it. < 1355346928 872085 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am aware, zzo < 1355346935 370637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: wait can you use "class" in the "typname C::t x" case? < 1355346943 429272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people don't understand so well < 1355346951 253548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Not sure if this is where to say this, but you said to ask you." < 1355346965 276150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, even with continuation monad; continuations is just one possible use of it. < 1355346966 290486 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, I was only thinking about the typename in "template " < 1355346967 227786 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't actually know haskell, like i said, so i just pick things up from people talking about monads and types < 1355346968 330825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not convinced that [[0L]] is actually worthy of deletion, btw, although it's probably best to do it to comply with their wishes < 1355346975 336472 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355346986 694965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it has identical /semantics/ to another language, but the whole point of joke languages is the joke itself, and 0L's is different to Nil's < 1355346986 877786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that monads are talked about grossly out of proportion to their importance in haskell < 1355346993 983068 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i've heard < 1355347010 824162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm < 1355347013 94528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps merge? < 1355347013 165980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc cleverly counters this problem by talking about them even more to point this out BURN??? < 1355347015 870759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all the hype, it's just a particular use case of operator overloading, with a little special syntax < 1355347016 116850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said, Haskell also has comonads and various other stuff too. < 1355347018 766322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that seems weird < 1355347019 1264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah basically elliott < 1355347020 968046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :belliott < 1355347022 269794 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the type stuff seems more interesting to me since i started thinking of Maybe as syntactic sugar for CPS < 1355347031 615727 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not just Maybe I guess. whatever < 1355347037 421768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's even better syntactic sugar for CPS? Cont monad < 1355347039 825069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monads is just one possible mathematical structure. < 1355347058 391693 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>= i think is the operator < 1355347080 612031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about Codensity monad?! < 1355347081 961030 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: is that a police reindeer? what use do they have for it? < 1355347082 813765 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, now i'm sounding dumb. so: why are monads such a "thing" in the dumbly making fun of haskell community < 1355347087 597220 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, >>= by itself does not define a monad you also need return. Or a monad can be defined by fmap and return and join. < 1355347095 641562 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know zzo < 1355347104 145840 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it that "monoid in the category of endofunctors" crack? < 1355347106 516043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, (Codensity (Const x)) is like (Cont x) < 1355347130 210899 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is something with fmap and join but no return useful? < 1355347154 337449 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It is, and i don’t know actually. < 1355347162 793604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't know, but it isn't a monad. < 1355347207 498856 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since they are certain kind of mathematical structures, there are certain theorems on it, and certain things that automatically work with anything having those features. This is also why monads can be defined in those two ways, why there is Kleisli category, why do-notation is possible, etc < 1355347235 994771 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget, what's the thing that's true of monads but not pseudomonads? < 1355347246 999903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not pseudo < 1355347254 13303 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1355347262 714759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it is true that monads are not pseudo < 1355347265 451482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but pseudomonads are definitely pseudo < 1355347269 549949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the thing that's true of monads but not pseudoephedrine < 1355347270 106216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's in the name) < 1355347275 25889 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uh okay < 1355347282 73275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't seem very complicated Bike < 1355347292 257242 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1355347302 803764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think "pseudomonads" are a thing Bike < 1355347309 627304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think I might have to give up on my nice syntax < 1355347313 329190 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's something i read in a paper once. lemme double check < 1355347319 57093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually ugh I can't really < 1355347333 450713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i need this thingy to do the thangy < 1355347339 523668 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: part of the monad myth (at least when it comes to haskell) is the vast number of bad "monad tutorials" getting posted by people who have suddenly grokked it and go on to (fail to) teach the world of all their wonders < 1355347348 493937 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though I'm not sure that's what you asked) < 1355347373 926674 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh how do i paste here < 1355347375 137884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "think they have suddenly grokked it and then post misleading things about boxes". < 1355347378 964547 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yeah i've read that thing too < 1355347390 250973 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid pdf, let me cutpaste! < 1355347428 507807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by "not a thing" i mean not something that people generally talk about < 1355347436 315402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not surprised that some paper somewhere has defined that term < 1355347446 879807 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, duh < 1355347472 622642 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, the cite for the theory is "How to Compose Monads". sounds riveting < 1355347482 113456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1355347485 938521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I can do the "fish" trick her < 1355347487 739861 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1355347516 494053 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess there's some kind of feedback loop where that phenomenon makes newbies get the impression monads are SUPER IMPORTANT which causes them to continue the process and maybe write their own monad tutorial once they realize it's sort of trivial < 1355347519 526141 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Which is more efficient: i++ or ++i?" going back to C++, why would you wonder about this? < 1355347532 117700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you read the answer? < 1355347539 140695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yup yup < 1355347539 382184 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355347548 65602 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355347580 426919 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't understand why you'd ask, it seems like it'd be an incredibly minor hiccup even in the case of running 286 Linux or something < 1355347593 346337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i++ and ++i is compiled into a LLVM code, it might be the same either way, I would think. < 1355347603 944951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is as a statement by itself. < 1355347604 324977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude this is C++ < 1355347606 768132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you seen some beginner attitudes to performance < 1355347607 242026 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :c++ coders just *think* that stuff is really important < 1355347626 370103 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but i'm temporarily shutting down my memories to avoid trauma. < 1355347638 576670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a monster object < 1355347645 733130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a 1000x1000 matrix that you are adding pointwise < 1355347647 937900 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1355347651 891903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :operator overloading < 1355347656 616455 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, silly me < 1355347656 772933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LLVM allow zero-length arrays? < 1355347657 838352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be..... love < 1355347662 443156 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then they go on to write code conventions where ++i must be used instead of i++ because PERFORMANCE < 1355347674 846018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what olsner is saying is also true < 1355347681 257438 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually write ++i anyway. i just, i don't remember why and i don't remember caring < 1355347682 234956 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they = the beginners with their attitudes to performance < 1355347699 651339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we should have a contest to make up plausible but completely nonsensical cargo cult performance rules < 1355347704 1740 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course when i learned C++ i was like fourteen and reading one of those 21 days books, so maybe i'm just doomed. < 1355347711 229497 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*"learned" < 1355347725 180076 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never learned C++. :-( < 1355347738 159974 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you might be able to convince people that they should order their arithmetic properly to improve pipelining < 1355347739 312419 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO POINTERS EVER, BECAUSE PERFORMANCE < 1355347740 962571 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're in luck, kmc has been linking classes! < 1355347759 840721 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Longjmp--FOR-SPEED!!!.aspx < 1355347775 589910 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are not words i expected to see conjuncted olsner < 1355347798 197377 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"use longjmp instead of loops to increase speed" < 1355347833 771299 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel hurts me. < 1355347835 283649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wtf < 1355347838 291284 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the normal short jumps are just not optimized for long calculations < 1355347854 403208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should use SSE2 128-bit jumps < 1355347869 327292 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSE2 doesn't even have control transfer instructions :< < 1355347900 87384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's only available in AVX2. < 1355347903 80803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Finally.) < 1355347903 368817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i wonder if longjmp makes system calls to change the signal mask < 1355347910 54226 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... AVX2 has control transfer instructions? @_@ < 1355347912 504866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. < 1355347915 941593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not last time I checked. < 1355347919 320486 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe there were two variants. < 1355347922 402744 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora's pipeline convention sounds good to me! < 1355347925 746606 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it has the weird simd loads < 1355347936 766853 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that still requires manual jumps and stuff < 1355347942 724080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's sigsetjmp() and siglongjmp(). < 1355347971 409413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once upon a time I investigated this and ended up sticking with our own code. < 1355347976 325611 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora's rule isn't satisfactory because it would require people to acknowledge that CPUs do something other than execute instructions directly from memory one at a time in order < 1355347978 162934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it bad if i have a five-parameter typeclass < 1355347992 137165 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but partial knowledge of complex systems is great for cargo culting! < 1355347999 63813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: longjmp() doesn't really help you make portable coroutines because there's no primitive for setting up a stack. < 1355348000 733632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's bad and you should feel bad < 1355348008 251877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok but < 1355348010 335133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's important!! < 1355348015 16375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Each i s t a b < 1355348026 881315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's worse than each < 1355348030 347041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I recommend taking inspiration from classy-prelude < 1355348032 48385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does LLVM have primitives for setting up a stack? < 1355348034 161381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have plenty of those. < 1355348041 393946 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel bad about having that view of CPUs :< < 1355348048 470607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1355348052 3037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually six-parameter kmc sorry < 1355348066 412385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should feel 20% worse < 1355348067 695594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM does support a few different kind of exceptions handling. < 1355348068 888611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, these days you can see the context switching code in RethinkDB. < 1355348073 679933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, they're adding x86 support? < 1355348093 339427 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :better watch out before you end up having to enable the MassivelyMultiParamTypeClasses extension < 1355348093 823388 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite fiora's efforts to move me from "6502, one at a time" to "x86, bizarre instruction sludge that somehow goes very fast" < 1355348095 965620 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :class CanMapFunc ci co i o | ci -> i, co -> o, ci o -> co, co i -> ci where < 1355348099 74201 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355348102 388886 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1355348108 742384 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bizarre instruction sludge that somehow goes really fast" < 1355348109 691992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CanHazMap < 1355348123 628765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: CanMapMFunc is a lot like Each < 1355348123 707590 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you stab Each of them?! < 1355348131 963803 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Elliott u s t a b < 1355348137 607563 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: you only get A stab. < 1355348174 96686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/rethinkdb/rethinkdb/blob/next/src/arch/runtime/context_switching.cc < 1355348188 761612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have programmed in 6502 assembly language. < 1355348193 570734 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://pastebin.com/JkJcsn46 < 1355348199 11656 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read metroid once, that's about it for me >_> < 1355348210 543895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a bit of a mess. < 1355348211 896864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know next to nothing about cpu architectures < 1355348213 312760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which upsets me < 1355348233 265403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are somethings things that can be done with it if you already know the value of some register or status flags, to reuse them, or to reorder things to make the program efficient. < 1355348235 464871 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you misspelled "multiplication". also, oh god you witch < 1355348240 527798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1355348242 681905 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can convince people to "optimise" their code into 1000-line functions. OH WAIT < 1355348243 601362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't like how that uses C to demonstrate things, since the compiler is free to reorder all that stuff < 1355348249 130063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well this can partially be true in some cases, yeah? < 1355348249 483005 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to studying his (amongst other things) CPU architectures test tomorrow < 1355348256 476181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's the compiler's responsibility to order instructions and not yours < 1355348259 465310 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly < 1355348263 773216 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why it's totally silly cargo cult < 1355348265 390076 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the joke is that it's dumb, yes < 1355348276 77709 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we all know that C is "close to the machine" and the compiler just emits one assembly instruction per semicolon < 1355348276 239513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok then < 1355348281 329113 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course. < 1355348285 139085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have implemented ARCFOUR in 6502 assembly language, but without a key. < 1355348287 985734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i didn't actually like < 1355348289 925405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read the text < 1355348298 682335 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :text is hard < 1355348301 222409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might have helped me realise it was meant to be wrong < 1355348304 980618 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry XD < 1355348314 613179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i blame you directly for me ignoring half the linked context < 1355348316 753482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :content < 1355348323 102198 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: always use comma instead of semicolon: that allows the compiler to merge them into one assembly instruction when possible < 1355348324 567553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"An open-source, distributed system." rethinkdb nominated for least helpful repository description in history < 1355348338 454875 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should write something based on my own non-field. how to use eval to speed up your code < 1355348342 527605 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh god now I'm imagining writing like, the worst guide to this ever < 1355348347 575019 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it feels terrible yet so satisfying < 1355348368 827152 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do it < 1355348372 465382 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Fiora < 1355348388 196947 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can pull an Sgeo: < 1355348389 901292 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :macros: let me show you how to write fortran in lisp < 1355348393 91300 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Bike < 1355348395 639973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will GNU and LLVM automatically correct that http://pastebin.com/JkJcsn46 code if one way is faster than another? < 1355348404 607842 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: what huh < 1355348414 495457 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the compiler's ordering is pretty much unrelated to the order you write things in, I think < 1355348422 868024 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it goes into the compiler as just a big tree of SSA instructions < 1355348423 759337 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am imitating Sgeo: Sgeo Sgeo < 1355348427 818589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Fiora < 1355348428 814177 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it has to track sequence points, doesn't it? < 1355348429 897158 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I died. Make more cargo for the cult. < 1355348436 702285 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, you wanted to compute the value *before* you returned it?" < 1355348440 472329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw Cargo Cult is the Burning Man 2013 art theme < 1355348447 165988 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i don't know where all the sequence points are anyway, but < 1355348513 933511 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, do it the Haskell way instead! Possibly never compute it! < 1355348521 718424 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dunno how *well* they do it, but reordering instructions to optimally fill pipelines is important for in-order cpus so compilers do as much of it as they can < 1355348529 260002 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone actually use classy-prelude? < 1355348556 802743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about classy-prelude-conduit?! < 1355348562 870521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about classist-prelude < 1355348580 763296 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about class-warfare-prelude < 1355348588 783187 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like objectivist C# < 1355348589 100819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the history of haskell is the history of class struggle < 1355348615 124143 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a no. < 1355348626 558207 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm do we have any objectivist esolangs? < 1355348634 89674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm shocked that nobody has made this joke yet < 1355348641 295514 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: rand(); < 1355348645 30864 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A = A; < 1355348651 325590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the popularity of puns in the Haskell Community < 1355348658 103249 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "objectivist c#" < 1355348659 349035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No Result Found. < 1355348660 611790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: GreyKnight: c.c for both of you < 1355348662 682862 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bite me < 1355348672 605836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's "objectivist C" < 1355348679 917384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by analogy to, y'know, objective C < 1355348679 996020 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep it classy: don't mention the class struggle < 1355348685 737743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (TC q xs0 ts ctx0) arising from a use of spec' < 1355348685 860070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (TC q xs ts ctx) < 1355348689 799243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sigh < 1355348699 593479 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is c.c an unusual smiley or a particularly terse source file name? < 1355348699 989348 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google "objectivist c" < 1355348701 895122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://fdiv.net/2012/04/01/objectivist-c < 1355348702 69073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: An Introduction to Objectivist-C | fdiv.net < 1355348703 682632 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: unsafeCoerce? < 1355348706 48533 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i fucked that up. < 1355348712 962836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: it's a great name for a self-hosting c compiler < 1355348713 547137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: doesn't work so well for typeclass constraints IME < 1355348714 281537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also < 1355348720 625199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's eyes looking away in shame < 1355348721 882822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1355348795 687783 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«"by reference" may slow down the code due to aliasing problems, forcing the compiler to actually spill values to memory in order to pass them to the code of an inlined function!» this fqa is scaring me a tad < 1355348800 282610 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worth it for Fountainheader.h alone < 1355348836 687603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome GreyKnight < 1355348838 70840 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atlas.sh < 1355348838 771331 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355348842 619805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1355348847 398821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might turn on PolyKinds just for convenience < 1355348850 373545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's the " and deployment" for? < 1355348877 897519 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION deploys shachaf < 1355348885 640580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also PolyKinds is annoying. < 1355348888 552921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and the alternative "by value" may slow down the code at least as much due to copying the data < 1355348890 657233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It messes up my pretty-printing. < 1355348893 468792 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting befunge used in production code, like our buddy befunge here < 1355348898 35891 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. fungot. < 1355348898 636689 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: syntax-case is not the terminated one, it assumes you at least a dozen implementations. < 1355348899 896018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> data Foo k a = Foo < 1355348900 130380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> :i Foo < 1355348900 203455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo k k k a = Foo -- Defined at :6:6 < 1355348925 792301 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: that's in the previous clause, yeah. < 1355348962 590622 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: um, for learning about arch stuff I really liked Agner's stuff. and the official optimization guides are pretty nice too for explaining the different stages of the architecture and stuff < 1355348971 757983 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://agner.org/optimize/ < 1355348990 599597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) and 2) are the main relevant ones I think, since 4) is just a reference < 1355348997 411268 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i could find an assembly hacker who didn't write and webdesign like they lived in the early 90s < 1355349005 42181 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks sidelong at fiora < 1355349009 519826 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :w-what >_< < 1355349011 817819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I should probably read stuff < 1355349015 453431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's work < 1355349016 640913 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have a webpage unless my tumblr counts... < 1355349018 947130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a bootsector once, enough????? < 1355349021 267138 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear reading is popular these days < 1355349030 537245 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it even went into long mode I think < 1355349037 848248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Was it as good as kmc's? < 1355349038 824572 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how much did you copy-paste from other sources? < 1355349041 955397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never managed to run kmc's. < 1355349061 157383 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This was my arch textbook: http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Organization-Design-Fourth-Architecture/dp/0123744938 < 1355349064 333397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: approximately 90% < 1355349067 607668 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the sizes are just numbers < 1355349093 734408 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I gather that this is better: http://www.amazon.com/Computer-Architecture-Fifth-Edition-Quantitative/dp/012383872X/ref=pd_bxgy_b_text_y < 1355349096 855853 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many books on arch are there anyway? i had that same boo. < 1355349098 608560 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :book < 1355349109 479403 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an arch class but we didn't have a textbook < 1355349134 204157 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there was the extra advanced arch class where the professor was like drawing a mips processor on the board and like "oh, we need exceptions, let's draw in some wires here" < 1355349135 82070 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just had to stare down the chips < 1355349144 149830 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Not many, I imagine. < 1355349150 59544 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.amazon.com/Optimizing-Compilers-Modern-Architectures-Dependence-based/dp/1558602860 there is this < 1355349152 552046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I hit an assignment where I had to pipeline a mips chip. in verilog. and I kind of had to drop the class < 1355349157 383709 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i haven't read it, because textbooks cost "money" < 1355349173 162274 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"torrents" < 1355349176 230795 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's about low-level compilery stuff though. dependency ordering n shut. < 1355349186 420639 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding textbooks on torrents is hard. < 1355349208 417787 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of rabbits, they apparently tried to intentionally introduce a usually-fatal virus into australia's rabbit population to kill them off < 1355349220 404450 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends what books. I tend to get updated versions of books that I've already bought. < 1355349223 55401 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Download this book from Usenet" or < 1355349239 110398 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, this is a book on compiler design targeting microarchitecture, not Thomas's Calculus, you know? < 1355349248 578088 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the long-term effect seems to have been that australian rabbits are now mostly immune to that virus < 1355349250 444874 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hahaha < 1355349274 378925 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.131.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355349289 108550 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it "thomas'" or "thomas's", hm < 1355349297 494986 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who cares. I hate that book. < 1355349302 920578 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :thomases's < 1355349304 254606 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been using Spivak on my own < 1355349311 438263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoma's < 1355349321 143457 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a math major, not a damned engineer < 1355349328 599009 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Who cares? < 1355349329 15463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly though it's thomas's < 1355349331 855861 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thomas is engineer oriented? < 1355349336 263542 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thomas's's's < 1355349350 547197 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not enough proofs, too much "think about it like a balloon" < 1355349355 956458 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had an engineer-bent book for diffeq, it was depressing < 1355349366 374256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1355349394 410668 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(later i found out that diffeq is An Engineering Thing regardless and math people just lump it in with calculus?) < 1355349420 850938 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I have to pretend to know diff eq for my chaos class next semester < 1355349435 913656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oof < 1355349437 952394 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm just gonna do weird math and then make Mathematica do it. < 1355349439 219020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many pipeline stages? < 1355349454 192148 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nihilistdandy: it's basically a bunch of memorized (or in ew tables) rules for solving equations that don't actually come up in practice, apparently < 1355349475 537096 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what my engineer roommate says, too :D < 1355349477 806602 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few randies in the comments of the objectivist C article, no hilarious meltdowns though < 1355349496 494513 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly in the class i was busy wishing i knew how to make a CAS do the work for me < 1355349534 4705 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: hm you *may* need to actually know differential equations for chaos theory stuff < 1355349557 491516 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they'll need to know what they are < 1355349557 565042 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will be fun < 1355349561 716069 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: All homework and take-home tests. I will learn it as I go, if I must. :D < 1355349567 379193 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so much the... wow, i don't even remember any of the method names < 1355349572 765100 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it was the standard risc pipeline I think < 1355349581 783238 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fetch, decode, ALU, memory, retire < 1355349613 934459 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make a fully-specified objectivist language, but I have a problem < 1355349621 287970 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was terrifying though. like we had an entire verilog mips chip thrown at us and I had almost never used verilog before < 1355349639 128670 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I realized at that point that the class, though advertised as a CS elective, was actually an engineering class and they really didn't tell the CS people what they were getting into <_> < 1355349643 570690 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Then you don't want it hard enough. < 1355349656 768878 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the class was still so much fun, I loved learning about things on like a wire by wire level < 1355349688 631476 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably need to read up in order to find the right bits to make fun of, and my stomach isn't strong enough to survive one of Rand's books < 1355349695 189106 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main memory i have of arch class was the professor bringing in a vax internals "manual" he xeroxed illegally and bound with pieces of his girlfriend's jeans < 1355349710 916590 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice guy < 1355349721 49800 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bound with... wait, what? < 1355349723 860668 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... what < 1355349739 286056 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I third that what < 1355349749 939609 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, he got it from an official technician, and copied it himself so he could use it obviously < 1355349754 910903 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'splain < 1355349764 767146 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not the what part, obviously < 1355349766 739053 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was big enough to be a boo, so he grabbed some of his girlfriend-at-the-time's old jeans and made a makeshift book out of it < 1355349771 158923 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a book. stupid keyboard < 1355349800 450200 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jeans + paper = book < 1355349805 269072 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was full of circuit diagrams and stuff. he used it to write binary search in microcode. < 1355349831 980301 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooow < 1355349846 724462 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds like the plot of a Sierra game < 1355349855 659112 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how? < 1355349872 471567 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jeans + paper = book < 1355349876 652983 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1355349878 296517 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did he have a cat hair moustache too? < 1355349885 779551 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a bookmaker person, ok < 1355349937 787737 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-6.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355349952 206320 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: depends whether or not he was a motorcyclist I suppose < 1355349983 503077 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i paid more attention to the machine stuff than to the jeans stuff, geez < 1355349990 617116 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't go bringing gambling into this < 1355350043 378354 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got your first old man whathisname reference, not so much this one. < 1355350048 200269 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We didn't exactly mistake this place for #bookbinding either yanno :-P < 1355350062 958864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg it almost works < 1355350069 149615 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric, home of everything but esolang discussion < 1355350111 343176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's terrifying < 1355350133 389052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the MIT intro processor architecture class (taken by most CS people) is pretty neat < 1355350144 849576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did the labs for that < 1355350152 666159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did a 2-stage pipeline but anything more makes my head hurt < 1355350168 203613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quickly learning this approach was a mistake < 1355350174 104311 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really cool that they have most people take it < 1355350179 358261 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since this was just a side elective thing < 1355350199 628961 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I was wondering if you could replicate that IRC spambot thing using custom HTTP methods from XMLHttpRequest < 1355350200 21387 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :our only required arch class was basically just memory, basic asm, debugging, stack smashing, how floats work, optimization... < 1355350201 42517 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is on an emotional rollercoaster < 1355350201 386128 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mit's always had EE and CS pretty integrated, hasn't it? < 1355350203 21403 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing, like, /wires/ < 1355350219 671723 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: maaaaan my class didn't even cover floats, i even asked ;_; < 1355350230 167471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's because floats are insane < 1355350230 945236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but chrome forbids the port and firefox tries to do some cross origin request verification thing, which fails < 1355350242 109043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, it is the same major < 1355350249 567389 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, he basically said "we won't have time to cover everything but as a general rule don't jesus christ" < 1355350254 233240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you want to know more about floats < 1355350255 436496 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Programmers implement floats in the type system anyway < 1355350255 906210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this class (6.004) uses a simple gate-level digital logic simulation < 1355350256 139548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's close to what I say too < 1355350259 809303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowhere near as hairy as verilog < 1355350259 965780 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I go into detail if anyone asks < 1355350264 991975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you do wire up individual gates < 1355350271 422655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit lower level than verilog really < 1355350279 493666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe float programming should be a separate degree < 1355350280 171178 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ouuch though what level was yours? ours was like a junior-level class ish < 1355350286 859484 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think sophomore < 1355350287 184988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and compilers require proof before letting you use floats < 1355350290 378027 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "numerical analysis" < 1355350301 691377 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do you tell stories about floats around the campfire on Hallowe'en? < 1355350311 510074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I don't use campfires < 1355350315 916998 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: also i was at a shitty side campus and the prof was fairly recently out of school. < 1355350319 377547 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah :< < 1355350319 912051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*I don't own a campfire < 1355350321 126083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: there was a brief discussion about compiling some bad optimization tips ... still not an esolang but at least some kind of "unuseful programming" < 1355350325 990515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION almost broke a meme < 1355350328 291964 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I liked him < 1355350332 856558 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this little elective thing I did where we worked on like, laying out actual transistors and wires by hand < 1355350335 933435 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of like, verilog < 1355350345 101759 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fair enough < 1355350350 797052 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were apparently tasked with the smaller parts of a larger (senior) project to make an RSA chp of some sort < 1355350355 119195 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks confusedly at ais523 '~' < 1355350355 509047 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: hand you some silicon and some acid and tell you to go nuts < 1355350361 993056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we learned how to lay out wires and transistors in... um... < 1355350366 932324 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was called Electric < 1355350370 413587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and dealing with all the design rules and stuff < 1355350373 994562 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was actually really fun < 1355350386 936027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm < 1355350393 760352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these overlapping instances are not good < 1355350397 327767 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: oh, did you see ion's police reindeer? that was ... at least as on-topic as this discussion < 1355350410 241033 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I think it needs more unsafeCoerce < 1355350414 862979 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.staticfreesoft.com/ScreenShotBusy.png < 1355350422 275043 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was kinda crazy < 1355350427 726175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote FireFly: oh, did you see ion's police reindeer? that was ... at least as on-topic as this discussion < 1355350430 981958 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :865) FireFly: oh, did you see ion's police reindeer? that was ... at least as on-topic as this discussion < 1355350440 428708 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: wow, it looks like an architecture class. like the kind with buildins. < 1355350444 871169 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :buildings < 1355350455 280886 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION didn't see any police reindeer < 1355350461 614594 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it is a building! < 1355350464 125718 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very very very very small building < 1355350466 47133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1355350479 133279 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. considering how big computers were back in the day, i'll betcha there were buildings and microarchitectures designed at the same time at some point < 1355350497 813743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it. buildings are still designed?? < 1355350505 325484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we in cyberspace now < 1355350519 305840 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember hearing the first soviet mainframe was in some dilapidated cathedral in ukraine < 1355350527 854263 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when they turned it on it made half the building a sauna < 1355350546 600303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a freshman lab where you fabricate LEDs and transistors and shit < 1355350548 470136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly shit < 1355350565 2986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :transistor fabrication? seriously? < 1355350565 79477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the equipment that the labs had thrown out 15 years ago < 1355350589 684833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to say; it's not that freshmen can't understand that, it's that the equipment needed for it is too expensive and specialised < 1355350590 478819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, by the end of this 10 week freshman lab course, you nominally have fabricated a transistor < 1355350594 366327 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*jellus* < 1355350597 236927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they mostly did not work though < 1355350597 722949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they actually /work/? < 1355350600 210557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the class was pass-fail < 1355350603 744675 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows how to make a transistor in theory < 1355350607 539528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think probably 5% - 10% of them worked < 1355350629 236764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a very crude photolithography setup < 1355350632 69671 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://youtu.be/w_znRopGtbE < 1355350632 891398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :random fun fact: in theory, transistors are symmetrical, you can swap the emitter and collector and they still work < 1355350636 144421 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow O_O < 1355350640 941417 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doing photolithography in class < 1355350641 635236 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1355350647 323566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice, they normally work better in one direction because there's no real market for invertible transistors < 1355350649 65632 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just like making a very tiny sandwich, except out of silicon :-U < 1355350657 892519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I've done photo-etching of PCBs < 1355350658 50630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some deposition furnaces < 1355350670 214476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's way less expensive, you can get the required material for a couple of hundred pounds < 1355350672 692807 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i can think of is the video i saw of a guy smelting tin with a campfire. < 1355350675 795499 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only remotely coolish thing I ever got to do was making holograms < 1355350676 966877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some contraption that pulls a vacuum and then uses mucho current to vaporize some gold next to your wafer < 1355350682 715098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys stop making me feel like i am missing out < 1355350691 736948 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the class consisted of trying not to pour hydroflouric acid on your hands < 1355350695 619350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's OK, you're younger than we were when we did these things < 1355350699 359969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i need some kind of credible threat. deleting a brainfuck derivative??) < 1355350710 997653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can still make choices that allow you to do these things in the future < 1355350712 277772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hey, you don't know how old kmc is < 1355350715 219982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how old kmc is, in fact < 1355350723 549466 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a brainfuck derivative based on photolithography, let's do it < 1355350724 58897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he said "freshman", which implies at least 18 < 1355350726 322581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the LED the masking was wax applied with a toothpick < 1355350728 870681 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I am reminded of destroying one of my shirts in chemistry lab with nitric acid <_<;; < 1355350729 954048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in pretty much any university < 1355350730 761122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was 16 as a freshman actually < 1355350735 805460 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no. Please, not the BF derivatives. Please, leave them alone. < 1355350735 887426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes most people were 18 < 1355350741 133106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that must have ben kind-of embarrassing < 1355350741 367664 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god kmc is like cosman < 1355350744 395207 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'_' < 1355350751 777400 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :super genius < 1355350758 562127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1355350764 987832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :american public school middle school is super useless < 1355350766 595197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a disability where I occasionally have nasty attention lapses < 1355350771 688351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it was only enough to make like a small hole < 1355350772 408360 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had to have someone watching me in chemistry lab < 1355350774 355964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to skip two years of that is not a great sign of intelligence < 1355350774 769349 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :american public school is super useless? < 1355350776 219744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to make sure I didn't do anything stupid < 1355350777 210058 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I mean, enough to consider it destroyed < 1355350793 810811 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mostly a sign that your parents gave a shit and were willing to push for it < 1355350802 621003 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my solution was to go a year ahead in several subjects, then do a year of more subjects in what should have been my final year < 1355350806 728630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i took some high school science classes when i was 12 or so < 1355350809 503610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was... interesting < 1355350820 666304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gave me an extra year in school, more AS-levels than usual, and a reasonably empty timetable < 1355350821 371160 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my parents didn't want me to skip too far ahead because they figured i'd be undersocialized. that sure worked out < 1355350826 141348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1355350833 199493 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION patpats Bike  < 1355350836 129645 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the best time of my life so far, and probably always will be (and I realised at the time it was the best time of my life) < 1355350842 704272 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's cool ais523 < 1355350847 573768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I got into esolang development a year later < 1355350851 75915 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was fun too < 1355350860 263601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have nearly as much free time now as I did then, though < 1355350874 741860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think I discovered esolangs that year < 1355350881 391021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone sent me a link to the 99 bottles of beer website < 1355350907 421134 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't worry Bike, you get to hang out with us? >_> < 1355350932 336502 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc, noted haven of within-sigma, well-adjusted human beings < 1355350933 756439 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're *like* cool people. In a way. < 1355350944 531487 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had I known any better, I'd have dropped out of high school at 16 and gotten my GED < 1355350968 338047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we're better-adjusted here than most of IRC? I hope, at least < 1355350995 344032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NihilistDandy: American? < 1355351000 52952 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my experience with "most of IRC" is people yelling about anime, and that happened here yesterday. check and mate < 1355351001 672184 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1355351004 297402 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is probably the sanest channel I've seen < 1355351016 58916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: depressing, isn't it? < 1355351068 965108 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355351094 289552 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'_' < 1355351109 306572 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that supposed to indicate that your face has been mutilated or what? < 1355351128 431816 :impomatic!~digital_w@46.208.131.194 QUIT :Quit: var kings=new Array(3); for (x in kings) { kings[x].origin='orient'; kings[x].bearingGift=true; kings[x].travelled='afar'; } < 1355351130 469325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the 's are eye sockets < 1355351149 302817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i agree that being "socialized" involves having the right kind of people around < 1355351153 330421 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"impassive face" < 1355351153 403846 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is impompatic's quit message? JavaScript? < 1355351163 631442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a lot of antisocial loner nerds become gregarious when they go to a place like tech school < 1355351165 329639 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like JS < 1355351167 79762 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I guess so? < 1355351168 955842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so yes < 1355351177 961869 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new Array(3) < 1355351188 795984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you shouldn't use "for (x in y)" without a hasOwnProperty check! < 1355351196 660191 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also var and for(x in kings) < 1355351214 394768 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you end up iterating through all the methods of Array too and up its prototype chain < 1355351228 998360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1355351232 388979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just going to cps it < 1355351288 333831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: zzznxxxrkc? < 1355351303 142069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript is a toy language that escaped the lab, like most popular languages < 1355351314 32833 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's closer to the kind of toy language i would have designed as a student, so i have a certain affection < 1355351317 999094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's pretty gross < 1355351322 205088 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS has a lot of nice features < 1355351330 919960 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Illegal polymorphic or qualified type: < 1355351334 746054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fklghjgkjh < 1355351337 903586 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that thing where typeOf null is 'Object' or whatever < 1355351339 323844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this works with type synonyms why not with type families < 1355351343 766789 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also where types are indicated with strings i guess < 1355351345 852092 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shall I quote your C++ speech back with names changed? :o) < 1355351349 164326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing where foo[3] is foo['3'] and foo['x'] is foo.x... this makes me think like "cute feature for a toy language, but you shouldn't do it for real" < 1355351367 446915 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, it coerces numbers to strings? < 1355351382 611811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I need to go home, can you mention Feather so I can make it look like a ragequit? < 1355351384 751780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe not with that Array type < 1355351387 178946 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and javascript numbers are all floats anyway, aren't they < 1355351390 70463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general, objects are key-value mappings < 1355351394 546920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah < 1355351398 230492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the keys are all strings < 1355351404 100689 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barf < 1355351415 165276 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of websites will break if you register a user named hasOwnProperty < 1355351438 22143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1355351438 518907 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1355351439 629630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet I can cheat < 1355351443 748806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or __proto__ < 1355351446 855860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1355351447 906103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can i < 1355351450 774781 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is brilliant < 1355351453 638573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :__proto__ < 1355351456 546033 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh,that's the prototype of an object? < 1355351457 915304 :__proto__!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :kmc < 1355351459 750627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah registered < 1355351460 507489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355351463 706161 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it has some weird Self thing going on < 1355351471 849167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: also Freenode's ircd probably isn't written in JS < 1355351474 97289 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it on #acehack, it's funnier there IMO < 1355351474 986067 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355351476 316046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you think? < 1355351477 845193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1355351479 500184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye everyone < 1355351481 275453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1355351498 22785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think you broke ais523 < 1355351502 458166 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i mention feather now, do the properties of feather mean that, retroactively speaking, it did make him ragequit? < 1355351511 467257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some codes I have seen will put a space at front so that it doesn't cause those problems < 1355351513 810805 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc... crud, I should try to figure out how not to break. Not sure if my code breaks, but ... that seems like a PITA < 1355351533 393389 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're saying if I store users as keys on some object, the object might behave weirdly? < 1355351537 152403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this music? http://zynaddsubfx.sourceforge.net/doc/PADsynth/demos/noefx_organ_choir.ogg < 1355351605 245218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That code I have seen which did that, was a not a webpage, but it doesn't matter either way that is how you can do, put a space at front of the keys. < 1355351618 496647 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: and then you have a user whose name is a key the object already has < 1355351630 231053 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( my code is vulnerable < 1355351650 518963 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't your code something that uses php for local communication or something < 1355351655 999738 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe it was already vulnerable < 1355351671 41502 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355351702 775850 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we can rebuild it. We have the technology. < 1355351723 361733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the latest whiz bang version of ECMAScript there are associative data structures you can use < 1355351751 844959 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Ben Nadel demonstrates that the hasOwnProperty() method is more consistent than Javascript's IN operator; the major difference being that...» see "consistency" seems like a weird-ass standard < 1355351753 376002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.devthought.com/2012/01/18/an-object-is-not-a-hash/ < 1355351772 316046 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not a fucking chaotic system, it's javascript! < 1355351797 529378 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :. o O ( JS isn't a chaotic system? ) < 1355351824 316399 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it ought not to be, in happy pony danceland. < 1355351877 962581 :Sgeo!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355351899 368428 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.bennadel.com/blog/1919-Javascript-s-hasOwnProperty-Method-Is-More-Consistent-Than-The-IN-Operator.htm blaghaghagh < 1355351924 572523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that photo < 1355351926 691477 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355351946 108995 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"And, of course, as Ben Alman pointed out, you can always use the typeof() function to check the type of objects you are dealing with before making use of the IN operator." < 1355351949 70619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh joy < 1355351951 67769 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Object.create(null) looks good < 1355351959 562867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwahaha so many good exploits in this book < 1355351960 930192 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-6.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355351997 47285 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the ecmascript standard? < 1355351998 170893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :embed an image in a web forum which is served from your server, which responds with 401 Unauthorized < 1355352001 130883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355352002 967320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this websec book i am reading < 1355352021 679486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the user will see a password dialog and enter their forum password < 1355352027 511624 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drat, i'll have to rework that joke < 1355352065 173090 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Great article, however this danger only applies if you use obj.hasOwnProperty(prop) instead of a simple obj[prop] check, e.g. if you need to work with nulls" welp. < 1355352066 449892 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is prepending "user_" in front of user names internally a good way to deal with the issue? < 1355352070 779800 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-4-232.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355352102 485791 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That post seems to think so, at least < 1355352104 299535 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dude, I didn’t even read the article lol… but this site design is great! i especially like the good use of circles." < 1355352128 323966 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would stop them conflicting with standardly-inherited properties, seems like it should solve it < 1355352159 364602 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I especially like the good use of circles" is going to be a phrase now < 1355352167 671605 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo|web: as i understand, you're good until a new builtin property user_hasOwnProperty shows up < 1355352189 289190 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355352189 399177 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355352189 399331 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355352192 123726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lol web community < 1355352214 612050 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if Clojure maps are safe from this or not < 1355352229 180298 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where those store data, exactly < 1355352246 726128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure no language but like js and lua suffer from this dumbness < 1355352249 762240 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is clojure OO prototype-based? (i doubt it, i don't think that would work great with the jvm) < 1355352254 344257 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought Clojure was on top of the JVM? < 1355352258 256844 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355352296 468792 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm < 1355352304 218832 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Clojure I meant ClojureScript < 1355352306 557834 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a derp < 1355352311 759337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1355352313 629713 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is that < 1355352323 514620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION takes a shot < 1355352344 818684 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Clojure-like language that compiles to Javascript < 1355352372 956709 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lua's tables are actually empty by default, so you'd have to go out of your way to fall down this sort of hole < 1355352400 685424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there that metatable stuff < 1355352411 675395 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'patatable < 1355352439 557201 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mutatable < 1355352445 499299 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metatable fields are separate from the actual fields (partly to avoid exactly this problem) < 1355352460 194529 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'pataprogramming sounds like fun < 1355352484 907334 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that would be like if javascript object prototype fields were separate from the actual fields. < 1355352491 565960 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case, we return to my earlier "welp" < 1355352538 120220 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, javascript doesn't even wrap thrown strings in some SimpleError class or w/e, huh < 1355352553 801746 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't understand the earlier "welp" < 1355352559 24566 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you do! < 1355352561 793122 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-6.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355352581 631067 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately, i was just thinking about the earlier bike-pretends-to-understand-monads halfconversation < 1355352602 940495 :Sgeo|web!ad034ea6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.173.3.78.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355352622 322823 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't :< < 1355352636 19738 :tswett!~tswett@unaffiliated/tswett PART :#esoteric < 1355352734 521198 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'm afraid you are unworthy. < 1355352754 60806 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_;~~~~~~~~~~~ < 1355352973 28162 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1355352973 197355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dxq says: i am not a very quotable person < 1355352983 421190 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lies < 1355352999 81759 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355353071 253063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1355353072 51966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works! < 1355353081 875222 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-o < 1355353092 529968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1355353093 630699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't < 1355353101 593279 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-S < 1355353105 329278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `Head [Bool] bss0' < 1355353105 529225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : with `(':) Bool 'False ('[] Bool)' < 1355353118 153842 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The rollercoaster continues < 1355353127 175979 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just going to guess that this is actually your attempt to upgrade the wiki, and it's just gone terribly terribly wrong. < 1355353133 144239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahahahaha < 1355353176 463735 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"damn, my port of ghc to php isn't properly taking javascript booleans into account" < 1355353188 334263 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If upgrading the wiki has led to wacky adventures in Haskell typespace then we've gone straight through "terribly wrong" and out the other side < 1355353241 860254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well I have at times considered just reimplementing mediawiki in haskell because of how awful it is to maintain < 1355353252 244528 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do it < 1355353259 119788 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has nobody done that yet? < 1355353263 860157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it would be awful < 1355353264 327986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so no < 1355353269 317370 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, written a wiki, anyway, mediawiki proper would be terrible to port < 1355353272 491582 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be awful < 1355353289 996309 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll help with my sub-mediocre Haskell skills < 1355353299 519045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1355353300 689814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did I fix it < 1355353315 715550 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you know how to shot Haskell? < 1355353329 509261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!! i did < 1355353348 399364 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never shot haskell in my life < 1355353351 56576 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't he dead..., < 1355353372 156905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmap :: (('[x,y] ?? ts) bss) => (forall z. Spec ts z z) -> (x,y) -> (x,y) < 1355353372 229802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmap f (a,b) = (spec f a, spec f b) < 1355353374 582762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: D < 1355353392 859242 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell motherlover, do you speak it?! < 1355353422 415338 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"motherlover"? ewgh < 1355353500 831918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bowdlerisation gone wrong < 1355353502 359446 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :father mocker < 1355353505 365538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what happens when you find a stranger in the alps < 1355353519 364704 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote "damn, my port of ghc to php isn't properly taking javascript booleans into account" < 1355353522 714796 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :866) "damn, my port of ghc to php isn't properly taking javascript booleans into account" < 1355353560 817565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit I need some way to change types I think < 1355353566 272859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok let's not go down that route < 1355353581 859507 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: commit current code first! < 1355353588 236518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm... this needs some way of representing order too < 1355353590 896217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: commit?? hahahaha < 1355353599 157079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even have a directory < 1355353601 268817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all going into ~/tmp < 1355353612 629360 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either it needs committed or else you do :-P < 1355353645 382379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :been there done that < 1355353653 666236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm this might break when i add the type family :( < 1355353745 294645 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: let's make a wiki in Haskell < 1355353774 150446 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in befunge < 1355353776 726139 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355353779 511351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's already haskell wiki software < 1355353796 749917 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yesod (web framework)" what is even going on with haskell naming < 1355353816 101667 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"House is an acronym for the Haskell User's Operating System and Environment" okay nevermind, it's the same as usual. < 1355353826 201464 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If we can make a befunge wiki can we replace the mediawiki installation with it?!? < 1355353839 161879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit it doesn't even recursively drill down yet < 1355353848 101746 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we can make a befunge wiki i'm pretty sure we'll be able to take the world hostage < 1355353856 449534 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: an anagracronym < 1355353870 871397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesod is a hebrew word < 1355353873 326483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1355353883 105792 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i should find that wiki i found written in shell again, primarily because what < 1355353892 484566 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just tried to pronounce anagracronym and nearly bit my tongue < 1355353914 538189 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1355353965 802785 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yesod means foundation, but it cannot also be translated as "I am Snoyman, *smash*" < 1355353970 321563 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*can < 1355353972 851347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1355354011 493470 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :House is a Haskell OS?!? < 1355354020 627688 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: "OS" < 1355354040 178839 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that it is a system that operates. But it's not what you'd call an operating system. < 1355354044 559268 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "glorified shell"? < 1355354054 980447 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says it's experimental, which in operating system terms means it doesn't work < 1355354078 21489 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's always that haskell-verified (TM) L6 kernel instead, anyway < 1355354095 327237 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make that L4. < 1355354124 543602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't actually use haskell did it < 1355354128 261228 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L5 and I'll throw in this pen < 1355354129 587121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they prototyped it in haskell < 1355354154 284585 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell was involved, and that's what's important for the marketing copyo! < 1355354155 730161 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copy < 1355354179 370201 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :COPYO < 1355354193 479892 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MOST EXCEPTIONAL XEROX ANDROID < 1355354195 727639 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't mock me :( < 1355354229 952759 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU MOCK COPYO?! COPYO WILL SHOW YOUR BUTT TO YOUR BOSS! < 1355354237 493276 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :copyo, n. When you accidentally highlight something and copy it into your clipboard, overwriting something you already had stored there. < 1355354265 437717 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that 50 times a day < 1355354293 635870 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should be more careful < 1355354309 927902 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Started using clipboard history, and now I still do it but it takes longer to use the history than to just go an recopy the other thing. < 1355354316 330146 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1355354330 653334 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes head sadly < 1355354354 895229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1355354358 181699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like i have to redesign this stuff < 1355354369 984276 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yaaaay < 1355354377 871753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm maybe i can cheat!! < 1355354414 871024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355354419 209166 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like you're already a webdev < 1355354452 904795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355354465 499676 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : Int < 1355354498 513857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1355354514 930168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : Cycle in class declaration (via superclasses): Gen -> Gen < 1355354516 761611 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, greyknight, i think the first rule of modern language design is actually "fuck php" < 1355354524 558798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :never before have i felt such despair < 1355354526 926490 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah I can't be bothered finishing this joke < 1355354529 255693 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just throwing that out there < 1355354559 643102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?> < 1355354559 884522 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: . ? @ v < 1355354560 925436 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355354570 662904 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first rule of modern language design is "You don't talk about modern language design" < 1355354868 604926 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355354869 930341 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :331) Finally I found the wand of electric lightning now we can destroy any large object if it needs to be destroyed and is required to use a such a wand for that purpose. < 1355354931 260601 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sentences like that which make me think zzo38 might be a machine < 1355354961 357334 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a brilliant sentence < 1355355053 37380 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355355054 548520 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :369) "system is fairly sane imagine if the roomba was called the Robotic Magic Vacuum would you object to that being trademarked I mean phrase trade" oops < 1355355077 253579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, i think the first rule of modern language design is actually "fuck up" < 1355355080 295348 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1355355143 790381 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: have you ever used the IceChat client? < 1355355230 635585 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355355354 665718 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1355355375 802214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355355550 502409 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this poijnt I'm kind of tempted to wipe Windows < 1355355790 856365 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355355919 297684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355355919 924945 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1355356024 929789 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355356027 649939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hi < 1355356083 980196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliott < 1355356396 789504 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355356453 504703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Doesn't XMLHttpRequest never let you make a cross-domain request? < 1355356481 661398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you said more than the one line /last showed. < 1355356570 368731 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I now have a real IRC client < 1355356712 445052 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355356759 780552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t gmap < 1355356761 141110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `gmap' < 1355356761 298114 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1355356761 370961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `map' (imported from Prelude), < 1355356764 79822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.data.gmap < 1355356765 483696 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Couldn't find qualified module. < 1355356765 795508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Data.gmap < 1355356767 156060 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `Data.Data.gmap' < 1355356773 724465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty gmapT < 1355356775 505764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `gmapT' < 1355356778 604792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty Data.Data.gmapT < 1355356780 495784 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Data.Data a => (forall b. Data.Data.Data b => b -> b) -> a -> a < 1355356821 930969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mkT < 1355356823 119115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `mkT' < 1355356826 633947 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Data.mkT < 1355356827 970069 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `Data.Data.mkT' < 1355356829 827842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1355356868 847024 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty Data.Generics.mkT < 1355356870 789461 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Typeable b, Typeable a) => (b -> b) -> a -> a < 1355356890 435505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle mkT < 1355356891 141867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO mkTextEncoding :: String -> IO TextEncoding < 1355356891 220393 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.IO.Encoding mkTextEncoding :: String -> IO TextEncoding < 1355356891 376959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Typeable mkTyCon :: String -> TyCon < 1355356934 114529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.Data.gmapT (Data.Generics.mkT (\(x::Int) -> x+2)) (3::Int) < 1355356935 949681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `Data.Data.gmapT'Not in scope: `Data.Generics.mkT' < 1355356941 46115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kghdfkjsghdfkljsg < 1355357014 931308 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355357028 941227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.gmapT < 1355357030 455866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `Data.gmapT' < 1355357034 480040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> D.gmapT < 1355357035 990456 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `D.gmapT' < 1355357054 54093 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355357232 564423 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355357270 356801 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I understood CL's condition stuff well enough to understand how Factor's differs < 1355357303 553509 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's to understand < 1355357335 328407 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> over biplate (\(x::Int) -> x+2) (3::Int) < 1355357337 449103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1355357387 986160 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How to define what happens when a restart is chosen (that's set in CL using some macro, I think?) < 1355357423 948477 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just bind a thunk to the restart name. < 1355357435 506760 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor's system is basically: When you throw, include a bunch of strings and values, the throw will, if a restart is chosen, return one of the values < 1355357503 104969 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.factorcode.org/content/word-throw-restarts%2Ccontinuations.html < 1355357549 144573 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually see a real mechanism to catch these :/ < 1355357597 336517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t over biplate < 1355357598 851790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Data.Data.Data t, Typeable b) => (b -> b) -> t -> t < 1355357604 892353 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like cl's, except that in cl you can do arbitrary actions instead of just returning a value. < 1355357641 44433 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and you can't define handlers? I don't see any, and it talks about the top level. < 1355357662 706302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does biplate act like gmapT there though < 1355357672 619466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering whether gmapT map over the "root" < 1355357680 278131 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the debugger talks about :res which calls restart < 1355357694 929083 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.factorcode.org/content/word-recover%2Ccontinuations.htmloh, there we go. < 1355357710 421826 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355357740 996816 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's still not clear from that how that would be used to resume < 1355357744 57061 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1355357777 493165 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1355357810 480515 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1355357976 900807 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it can be < 1355358067 587398 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the debugger page seems to imply you can only resume from well, the debugger. < 1355358105 504094 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The debugger's written in Factor (I assume) < 1355358110 339384 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there has to be a way < 1355358136 295167 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://goatkcd.com/1146/sfw [nsfw] < 1355358150 404094 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you assume. < 1355358169 117247 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.factorcode.org/content/word-restart%2Ccontinuations.html oh duh, :res has the implementation right there. < 1355358202 995721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/sfw [nsfw]" < 1355358217 154921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1355358635 847149 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-219-218-219.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355358902 938839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guarantee you that it is less sfw if you remove "/sfw" < 1355358907 125538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also less funny and more gross < 1355359556 452580 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355359755 485166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1355359764 987647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does gmapT f x run f on x first < 1355359767 739801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or on its children first < 1355359769 895828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should ask #haskell < 1355359833 434787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should test it < 1355359840 69513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like work < 1355359864 963848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but okay < 1355359905 227798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.Data Data.Generics> gmapT (mkT (\(xs::[Int]) -> reverse xs)) [1,2,3,4::Int] < 1355359908 330165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,4,3,2] < 1355359910 841408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1355359930 844269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,2,3,4] -> [1,2,4,3] -> [1,3,4,2] -> [2,4,3,1] I would have understood < 1355359941 706165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not with gmapT < 1355359961 362315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I admit I have no idea what semantics gmapT actually uses, it baffles me < 1355359973 366168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.Generics Data.Data> everywhere (mkT $ do reverse :: [Int] -> [Int]) [1,2,3,4::Int] < 1355359978 762349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how come if you do < 1355359987 386760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gmapT (mkT (\(x::Int) -> x+3)) (4::Int) < 1355359990 98911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it applies it to the whole 4 < 1355359994 446701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but here reverse doesn't get applied to the whole list < 1355360001 99704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1355360004 568098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't apply +3 to the 4 < 1355360011 956034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1355360028 795271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it applies the transformation to all the immediate children, and not itself < 1355360043 835917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you can build everywhere from gmapT? < 1355360068 692158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :\f -> f . gmapT (everywhere f) apparently < 1355360078 640525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen the SYB documentation? < 1355360084 384536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These slides are good: https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/papers/hmap/Boilerplate%20v3.ppt < 1355360100 886683 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've read them but then I forgot it all. < 1355360113 77301 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of hate how all the SYB machinery is crap at implementation hiding. < 1355360115 830392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So read them again? < 1355360123 998044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you end up writing code depending on the implementation details of all the types you're using. < 1355360157 556037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like that we now live in a world where the Pope tweets things and immediately gets responses like "@Pontifex you are a huge bummer, dude" < 1355360157 793412 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, Phantom__Hoover Fiora udpate < 1355360202 118495 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the big question is how does it manage to catch the exception. I think < 1355360247 558249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm can you even give a default definition for an ATF < 1355360248 954681 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: that seems to be what Recover is for. < 1355360263 448771 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it occurs to me that just because recover's stack effect says something, does not mean it cannot use restart, especially since restart will resume a continuation < 1355360274 817100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you can < 1355360286 37923 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I was taking recover's stack effect too seriously < 1355360404 739476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting now for the Pope to do a Reddit AMA < 1355360405 296904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw I ended up fixing that (??) I pasted < 1355360405 989260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type family (??) (xs :: [*]) (ts :: [*]) (bss :: [[Bool]]) :: Constraint < 1355360406 66736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type instance ('[] ?? ts) bss = () < 1355360406 139834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type instance ((x ': xs) ?? ts) bss = (bss ~ (Head bss ': Tail bss), (x ? ts) (Head bss), (xs ?? ts) (Tail bss)) < 1355360411 960842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo this is perfect < 1355360413 487970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh well it's all clear now < 1355360427 631254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1355360442 549694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :less of a type family and more of a type frenemy < 1355360442 872632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bss is basically a "variable supply" here that the typeclasses can hang the type equality results off < 1355360462 555325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you avoid passing it a bunch of type variables explicitly by having it constrain that there must be a bunch < 1355360485 698691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :slowly coming to terms with the fact that I am a genius < 1355360490 948189 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we all are < 1355360555 986351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this (??) stuff doesn't infer terribly well though; I might have to make it a typeclass instead < 1355360559 638366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is ok < 1355360729 939685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's a pirate's favorite locale? < 1355360784 977805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1355360789 394319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this typeclass version seems to infer worse < 1355360792 91865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr_SO.UTF-8 < 1355360907 112840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is mainly in the list deconstruction < 1355361007 462210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see http://overstated.net/2007/02/01/san-francisco-guide-to-new-york-neighborhoo < 1355361012 570490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1355361014 504307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://overstated.net/2007/02/01/san-francisco-guide-to-new-york-neighborhoods < 1355361052 582144 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wherever Giuliani put it" < 1355361161 252627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i could avoid all this hackery if there was a type equality type family < 1355361171 635877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there isn't < 1355361172 660495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that sucks < 1355361277 622036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1355361289 550608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I can use a restricted TypeEq that doesn't give access to the result < 1355361497 457477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355361497 581613 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355361503 845660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coool, it works < 1355361505 188581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cool < 1355361505 370447 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1355361508 937810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1355361511 467706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet this is inefficient though < 1355361539 354657 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i may venture a question < 1355361543 724160 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell are you doing < 1355361569 485353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I am so deep in this mess I have no idea how to explain it to another person < 1355361597 309499 :augur_!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355361597 382956 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my commiserations < 1355361608 953398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I can assure you I have no practical use for it though < 1355361630 874158 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie JOIN :#esoteric < 1355361729 305362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I think I broke it again < 1355361752 913142 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-6.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1355361757 371589 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a given < 1355361799 441791 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm going to play with Factor, I should probably download and install it < 1355361937 674254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does SYB support doing things like reversing every list in a structure, regardless of the element type of the list? < 1355361940 573412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget. < 1355361942 953657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should read the docs. < 1355361999 462837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1355362190 136354 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of a fun/evil use for lmgtfy < 1355362233 289205 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I want to encourage some online community to vote on some online poll < 1355362238 916451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Main> everywhere bleh "hello world" < 1355362239 90076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ello worldh" < 1355362240 543781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude Data.Generics> everywhere (mkT (reverse::String->String)) "hello world" < 1355362243 803497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"el oldrwolh" < 1355362245 150373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think i did it wrong. :( < 1355362256 427328 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I link directly to the poll, it will show up in the logs that I linked them < 1355362263 999990 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(We're assuming the online community is web-based) < 1355362284 800741 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this system is fucking mystifying < 1355362304 687665 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use a referer stripper, it will look suspicious that so many people knew the exact URL of the poll < 1355362312 529752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I have a 270 line source file that only mystifies it further < 1355362312 686224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, it reverses the list but then descends into its children. < 1355362323 157804 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, link to the Google search results, this way it looks like all these people googled for it < 1355362341 6468 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, if they come from the same Google search URL, that would also look odd. So... hm < 1355362343 519361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> over biplate (reverse::String->String) ("hello there", 1, "hi") < 1355362345 607140 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("ereht olleh",1,"ih") < 1355362357 316579 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to remove that g from your nick, sgeo < 1355362358 580447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, my "everywhere" was actually "every two wheres" < 1355362380 723206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere f x = spec f (gmap f x) < 1355362387 611203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll need to make it actually transform Specs, I guess < 1355362391 848197 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, lmgtfy results in a google search page, but that search page would also have a suspicious URL < 1355362397 191998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is sort of hard < 1355362402 683471 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So so much for lmgtfy helping < 1355363190 43019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Data.gmapT < 1355363191 399606 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Data.Data a => (forall b. Data.Data.Data b => b -> b) -> a -> a < 1355363282 738784 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor won't start :( < 1355363488 420608 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it a dumbassproof one file thing < 1355363522 189593 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you know wwhat, as long as elliott is reaching new frontiers into digging holes type safely, nother dumb haskell question < 1355363536 662817 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm guessing any real compiler is going to have some kind of structure to represent types. is that true? < 1355363586 971297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to what, not representing types in any structure? < 1355363633 307956 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just asking. < 1355363654 244262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true < 1355363670 815882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems true but I'm not sure I understood the question. < 1355363673 459391 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1355363675 741674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will have structures to represent types, functions, modules, etc. < 1355363679 490302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the stuff what makes up a program < 1355363690 719331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true of any compiler, not just haskell compilers < 1355363714 516283 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, would say a C compiler need something to represent "int"? < 1355363722 921245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355363736 938417 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to just skipping over the word "int" wherever it appears? < 1355363756 828392 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just, having some kind of structure with information about int-ness doesn't seem necessary to me < 1355363759 334521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a C compiler needs to be able to represent types like "pointer to pointer to int" and "pointer to function which takes three floats and returns an int" < 1355363769 343648 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's true < 1355363789 963245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, you could have a compiler where primitive types are represented by bare integers < 1355363798 291672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int = 1, float = 2, char = 3, whatever < 1355363817 811880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you need to represent also composite types like arrays and functions and pointers < 1355363834 834139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and structs < 1355363836 819243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as well as qualifiers such as signed/unsigned, const/volatile/restrict, etc < 1355363837 658119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :structs are types!! < 1355363839 408481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355363842 388582 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355363848 665836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also functions themselves, not just pointers to, are types < 1355363849 579280 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, badly considered question. thanks < 1355363869 272934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data VagueApproximationOfACType = Int | Char | Ptr VagueApprosdfjoisdType | Struct [(String,VagueAOoisadjoijknCpttypke)] | stuff < 1355363880 905996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great code < 1355363881 656647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Functions! < 1355363914 339237 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a language that shines by its lack of typing? < 1355363916 492257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do: typedef int f(float); f* p; < 1355363931 254846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are languages with only one type < 1355363937 44764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is kmc one of the people who says "type* value;"? < 1355363942 2991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sometimes < 1355363958 920340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: for example in shell the only type is string pretty much < 1355363974 561414 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more something like "C where every variable is a union" < 1355363977 511522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in perl, types are not so much a property of variables as how you decide to use them < 1355363981 264420 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1355363989 816406 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't really mean not having types < 1355363990 697408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an *unchecked* union? < 1355363997 714896 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, the whole point of that would be casts... < 1355363998 479892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the thing where you can say (********p)(x). < 1355364006 419448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355364007 791564 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what unchecked means, but yeah, I guess < 1355364009 761521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: forth < 1355364035 535596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a stack of machine words and what they mean depends entirely on what you do with them < 1355364061 907853 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by words you don't mean the same thing as forth words right? < 1355364062 374113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even a string literal (actually implemented in forth itself) just pushes an addreses and length on the stack and the string operations consume that < 1355364066 577612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually maybe it pushes something else, I forget what < 1355364073 963967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean machine words i.e. an integer of a certain size < 1355364076 839392 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355364080 59494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"size of a pointer" < 1355364084 784342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 has 32-bit machine words, x86-64 has 64-bit machine words < 1355364094 308914 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that makes sense < 1355364101 988181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You need more Microsoft in your life. < 1355364110 927048 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355364117 746687 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, or Intel. < 1355364147 387947 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, to confuse the meaning of "word"? < 1355364757 918091 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355365087 970307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course for intel words are 16-bit! < 1355365103 58303 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 32-bit is a dword and 64-bit is a qword and 128-bit is a doublequadword (not an octoword) < 1355365106 417963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 256-bit is a quadquadword < 1355365114 477449 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually no 256-bit is a doubledoublequadword < 1355365116 83356 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1355365119 583830 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds about as dumb as quavers < 1355365135 995265 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quavers? < 1355365146 258442 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hemidemisemiquave < 1355365158 440893 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is a sixty-fourth note, in music < 1355365164 967470 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1355365168 380670 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1355365181 27944 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel is actually made up of musicians < 1355365190 802203 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you, some alien with the absolute ear? < 1355365221 870827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I read quavers as quakers < 1355365229 900703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I thought Bike just really hated them friends < 1355365232 637955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the porridge I guess < 1355365257 708751 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1355365281 11236 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I have some of those somewhere in the house and it's pretty cold here and it's a damn good diea < 1355365282 952190 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idea < 1355365284 427361 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1355365287 625289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :np any time < 1355365322 167075 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i'm cool with quakers < 1355365477 114031 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure it's possible to write a throw-restarts like thing that does quotations instead of just returning a value < 1355365482 693019 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...actually, hmm < 1355365588 643640 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: you have call/cc, you can do whatever the hell you want < 1355365616 852298 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355365663 865429 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just not sure that the stack effect could be made to work < 1355366080 693473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubledoublequadword animal style < 1355366140 8326 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355366247 690820 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lddqu, "load double double quadword unaligned", does not actually load a double double quad word < 1355366257 800507 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/Pope_ebooks yessssss < 1355366270 897829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wisdom of crowds has brought this to me < 1355366297 826933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did the pope have to make a twitter account to get an _ebooks < 1355366303 959242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure the pope has said other things in the past already????? < 1355366318 663502 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but were they in a machine/idiot-readable format < 1355366321 658978 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still prefer the pope's main twitter feed < 1355366348 924378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think you have to give him credit for picking a cool name < 1355366353 183472 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vatican has obviously cracked open the Big Book of Catholic Platitudes < 1355366361 795514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many names are there that (a) sound cool and (b) are pop-related < 1355366363 453287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pope < 1355366367 866365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that (c) are free < 1355366372 771552 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that pope made it up < 1355366385 620958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on Phantom__Hoover you know people were telling him to go with The_Pope_Official_Vatican or some shit < 1355366387 949714 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PopeBenedictXIV" is kind of boring < 1355366390 654199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he was having none of that < 1355366393 470045 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i missing something here < 1355366417 301128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/pontifex < 1355366426 971199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitter.com/PopeBenedictXIV looks like some silly imitator or something < 1355366430 626225 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1355366436 115925 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should make his name xXxPoPeBeNeDiCt-XIVXxXx < 1355366436 791454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@TheP_Rizzle_Fo_Shizzle < 1355366437 409328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1355366439 82116 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Any suggestions on how to be more prayerful when we are so busy with the demands of work, families and the world?" < 1355366446 277770 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pope asks for input on twitter < 1355366446 779121 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, well, pontifex is "just" latin < 1355366455 760633 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he kind of has an easy out there, i mean, everything sounds cool in latin < 1355366464 239969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if he starts tweeting in pontifex cipher i will be impressed < 1355366466 243707 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's latin for 'maker of bridges', at that < 1355366476 358962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the pope just really loves him some bridges < 1355366489 780744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: hahaha wow i didn't even notice that < 1355366503 104526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was the pope properly briefed on this twitter thing beforehand < 1355366520 314422 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if papal infallibity extends to twitter < 1355366534 319010 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlikely, it's pretty hard to accidentally use it < 1355366539 102557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these days the infallibity only kicks in on special occasions < 1355366550 359052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just like freenode < 1355366563 853830 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might have operator privileges but you don't op up unless shit is getting real < 1355366585 200598 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pope is of course known for his intervention in realistic shit situations. < 1355366594 81972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/mode +o pontifex etc. etc. etc. < 1355366595 707199 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility#Conditions_for_teachings_being_declared_infallible < 1355366601 972559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it only applies in specific cases < 1355366609 508936 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is predecessor Pope John XXIII once remarked: "I am only infallible if I speak infallibly but I shall never do that, so I am not infallible"." < 1355366612 537408 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*his < 1355366623 927602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like something zzo38 would say < 1355366633 926880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would subscribe to @zzo38_ebooks < 1355366643 197774 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theology tends to make one similarly robotic at times < 1355366644 665158 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that response, it's like "this doctrine is dumb" without actually saying "this doctrine is dumb" < 1355366754 331101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This pope likes hexadecimal. < 1355366759 584509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :This pope is an advanced TI-BASIC programmer. < 1355366782 210258 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this pope is your pope / this pope is my pope < 1355366803 935862 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The limitation on the pope's infallibility "on other matters" is frequently illustrated by Cardinal James Gibbons's recounting how the pope mistakenly called him Jibbons." < 1355366806 951478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pffffff < 1355366814 685467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i put some onions inside my trousers < 1355366840 596240 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to take them out? < 1355366894 679190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nom < 1355367570 984160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also read somewhere that the Catholics who do not agree of pope infallibility are called Old Catholics. < 1355367585 328813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have no ebooks which can subscribe to < 1355367645 880354 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's one of a few reasons old catholicism split, yeah < 1355367683 670986 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-10-4.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355367712 13881 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course not all of the popes agree of pope infallibility either; some of them were against it, but some were for it. < 1355367754 804620 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1355368167 151300 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355368235 458192 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-10-4.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355368327 288000 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355368742 174295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should make a Twitter account of zzo38 quotes. < 1355368799 877347 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355368882 250450 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355368967 170924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i would subscribe to @zzo38_ebooks kmc: I have no ebooks which can subscribe to < 1355368975 177128 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867) i would subscribe to @zzo38_ebooks kmc: I have no ebooks which can subscribe to < 1355369042 785265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you have a newsletter? < 1355369054 400326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369054 595732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369054 910117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369055 67256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369055 223718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369056 235124 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :386) pikhq, living in the future sucks. The past just keeps coming up to us and trying to make us feel guilty. < 1355369056 392104 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :703) the possession of diamonds by the bourgeois is more about establishing their bourgeoisness more than wanting a malleable metal oops i forgot i said diamonds instead of gold < 1355369056 938576 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :642) shachaf: wait, _you_ are in northumberland? No. whew we don't have room for more esolangers there. oerjan: Wait, *you* are in Northumberland? no Whew. We don't have room for more esolangers there. < 1355369057 94147 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :170) Hmm. I want to try vanilla extract now, but I don't want the alcohol < 1355369057 446982 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :760) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes < 1355369066 173433 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, there is a Twitter account called horse_ebooks which appears to be a spam account, and says bizarre and hilarious things quite often. < 1355369100 671794 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This Is Your Golden Opportunity To Build Yourself An Endless Line Of HOT PRODUCTS In Your Name And Make A Fortune From Existing" < 1355369109 47789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't publish a newspapes. < 1355369115 426128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I used mephitic cloud once. < 1355369118 460499 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369120 13218 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :191) Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) < 1355369152 575132 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Scrabble for Racists is still my favorite. < 1355369168 855208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then play Scrabble for Racists. < 1355369190 522239 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you insinuating something about me, zzo38? < 1355369194 553343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would play Professional Octopus of the World. < 1355369235 595725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :best of horse ebooks: http://favstar.fm/users/Horse_ebooks < 1355369261 440102 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't we just read horse_ecomics? < 1355369281 73443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Don't you feel bad about how it gets you to look at advertisements? < 1355369285 979774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355369313 623324 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I look forward to an era of advertisers giving up on ads, and giving me endless co-opted-dada entertainment instead. < 1355369329 657766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did Scrabble for Racists come from? < 1355369338 50721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also zzo38 can you generate some more random game names < 1355369342 143259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those two are pretty great < 1355369357 853924 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know that an octopus does not have direct control of its arms < 1355369366 468825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sends them general instructions and waits to see what they do < 1355369373 776381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be a good card game mechanic < 1355369430 49197 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ChY6bCULLY < 1355369431 600508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then. < 1355369442 78106 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want those name you can just use the same program. < 1355369448 378225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to make a fortune from existing < 1355369457 313650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is one of the FurryScript archive files. < 1355369522 45118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one-dimensional chess < 1355369575 98655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369575 339895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369575 540785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369575 679925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369575 992985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355369577 221837 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :359) It's a Toy Story character, you uncultured fuck. < 1355369577 617908 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :597) http://i.imgur.com/dosYw.png WELCOME TO FUCKING STEELROMANCED < 1355369578 187293 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :651) .Ah. < 1355369578 422052 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :384) Phantom_Hoover: nope, I removed . from the current directory < 1355369578 523211 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :191) Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) < 1355369593 251414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 651 < 1355369593 563529 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa! this must be a sign < 1355369595 226502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1:13: steve brule impression? < 1355369597 740493 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* .Ah. < 1355369615 92128 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, oh, that's awesome. Before I clicked the link, I thought it was manually curated horse_ebooks quotes < 1355369653 234194 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff, manually. the cloud can rate everything. < 1355369663 777013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wisdom of crowds. < 1355369668 82387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slash clouds < 1355369678 599186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :frash prugin < 1355369684 458732 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a shocking bad hat! *laugh track* < 1355369686 835906 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh come on, past a certain point it wants me to get a pro membership < 1355369700 493693 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pro membership to a retweeter < 1355369708 838094 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future is a beautiful place slash time slash cloud < 1355369765 434202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slash balls < 1355369786 215116 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell2-h-74-9.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355369856 500027 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355370012 794744 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355370053 561613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is this a special kind of future which occurs in the present < 1355370148 715512 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1C9Q5JheOE yes. < 1355370153 503371 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am just made of youtube videos today. < 1355370290 516198 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cloud < 1355370297 589731 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you mean like, the earth just VAPORIZED?? < 1355370315 974963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is the telltale sam and max stuff any good < 1355370321 354419 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you be more precise as to whether that's the near future or the distant future < 1355370327 186656 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell2-h-74-9.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355370330 12753 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just so I know how much time I have to tell that girl I love her < 1355370345 397210 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i like the songs but i'm not much of an "actually playing video games" type < 1355370567 425620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thank you for your extensive input < 1355370589 900433 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1355370711 55434 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard they're really good but I've only played like two of them < 1355370736 203789 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're very silly and very funny adventure games < 1355370763 877352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION played the original LucasArts one ~a billion years ago. < 1355370801 986443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also don't tend to have totally absurd impossible to figure out puzzles < 1355370815 327790 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like cat moustaches < 1355370833 991885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the matter with cat moustaches?! < 1355371307 250076 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-174-63-102-165.hsd1.vt.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355371704 964268 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how many people have actually played that game < 1355371731 494977 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What game? < 1355371777 384533 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gabriel Knight 3. < 1355371792 800204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought we were talking about Sam 'n' Max < 1355371806 89958 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The game the cat moustache thing is fom. < 1355371808 159688 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from < 1355371809 105849 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let sam'n'max :: Bounded a => (a,a); sam'n'max = (minBound,maxBound) < 1355371811 645738 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1355371821 469587 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-174-63-102-165.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1355371837 752848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> uncurry (+) sam'n'max < 1355371839 592047 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraints: < 1355371839 714829 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Enum.Bounded a0) < 1355371839 787678 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1355371840 637692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> uncurry (+) sam'n'max :: Int < 1355371842 873328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1355371876 197068 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1355371883 758033 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell2-h-1-8.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355371885 301341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undefined behavior, Bike. < 1355371927 73055 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the horror! < 1355371945 609188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Wait, is it?) < 1355371961 644599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, maybe it's not. < 1355371970 277059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sorry" < 1355372003 108481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether MedeaMelana saw my recent Reddit comment. < 1355372012 402907 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem like a very sincere apology! < 1355372046 260098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Once in 2003 someone made a really, really sincere apology. < 1355372055 343458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so sincere that I just quote it instead of making my own. < 1355372059 696246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no hope of matching that one. < 1355372068 256905 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gosh. < 1355372325 859509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnow :: Monoid m => m -> FHM m a a < 1355372326 94578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnow m k d = k (\m' -> d (m <> m')) < 1355372326 167909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :flater :: Monoid m => (a -> m) -> FHM m b (a -> b) < 1355372326 168075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :flater am k d a = k (\m' -> d (am a <> m')) < 1355372326 168182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :frun :: Monoid m => FHM m m a -> a < 1355372328 416821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :frun fhm = fhm ($ mempty) id < 1355372453 663525 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell2-h-1-8.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355372601 12813 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355372632 196026 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355373143 693292 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355373143 918531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355373144 75052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355373144 326464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355373145 675258 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :205) yay CDE < 1355373145 959026 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :710) Stupid W|A doesn't even understand "Vatican papal density". (As far as countries go, they've got a quite high one.) < 1355373146 124376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :400) Turned out he got recursion, he just didn't get the return statement < 1355373146 527345 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :436) australia kicks ass we have kangaroos and DMM and isn't afraid of anything < 1355373146 860944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355373148 532673 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :473) software patents strike again that's got to be at least three times, now are they out yet? < 1355373171 215107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :205? < 1355373190 950211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 205 < 1355373195 596004 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* yay CDE < 1355373198 282734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :205 is good. < 1355373203 867661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1355373205 18432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1355373208 311096 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what's the point of asking if you're not going to wait for a reply?) < 1355373213 474348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I waited for a while. < 1355373216 972608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No response. < 1355373223 967993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you waited for 20 seconds < 1355373225 829570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please `revert as appropriate. < 1355373230 925307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They were 20 long seconds! < 1355373231 324526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too lazy < 1355373235 652824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's CDE? < 1355373253 609667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Common Desktop Environment? < 1355373323 624962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355373364 656462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's good about 205? < 1355373418 101753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i be surprised that iti got the quote / meme wrong < 1355373421 366804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355373425 395403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is no, i should not < 1355373435 865580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why else would it be in the qdb < 1355373478 610664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote kmc < 1355373480 528309 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :602) COCKS [...] truly cocks \ 633) You should get kmc in this channel. kmc has good quotes. `quote kmc 686) COCKS [...] truly cocks Well, in theory. \ 705) damn i should make a quasiquoter for inline FORTRAN \ 708) has there been any work towards designing programming l < 1355373505 934970 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of cocks. < 1355373539 818700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequote kmc < 1355373541 199436 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastequote: not found < 1355373545 589587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quotepaste kmc < 1355373547 254 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quotepaste: not found < 1355373550 143343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how do i do this < 1355373571 79209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes kmc < 1355373575 292760 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24302 < 1355373688 371542 :augur!~augur@c-69-140-133-153.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355373866 357320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355373867 11654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355373867 168084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355373867 324233 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355373868 74963 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :388) elliott: by the way, you're now almost capable of crawling. < 1355373868 953572 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :488) lets not wander around the mulberry bush beating our heads < 1355373869 115617 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :268) it is from 2002 though, I was younger then < 1355373869 271807 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :536) Just goes to show, the Beatles are more interesting than green vegetables. < 1355373869 505839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355373871 161728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :738) I CAN'T DEAL WITH THE PRESSURE OF EVERYBODY THINKING I'M CONAL < 1355373984 656521 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-71-4.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355374524 902212 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-crx1-h-71-4.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355374724 76821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes zzo38 < 1355374728 190693 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.23331 < 1355374811 125031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you considered using Twitter? < 1355374848 688262 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, why would you even need zzo38_ebooks with that haul? < 1355375036 811952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I tried to connect to gopher://zzo38computer.org/ but it says Not Found. < 1355375118 160357 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yomi is a card game that simulates a fighting game. It tests your ability to predict how your opponents will act and your ability to judge the relative value of cards from one situation to the next. Also, it lets you do fun combos and be a panda. < 1355375153 1853 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand World of Warcraft let you do that too, now? < 1355375412 320684 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355375789 623993 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 329 < 1355375791 253751 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :329) I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand. < 1355375918 196565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It does? < 1355375920 723257 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see. < 1355375947 148387 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works on my computer. Try adding a 1 after the / at the end see if that works better. < 1355375973 645342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 1 was added automatically. < 1355375977 687918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work with two clients I've tried. < 1355376022 991381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: That is correct it is how Yomi card game is played. Well, it is a bit more complicated than that, but it is not extremely complicated rules. < 1355376037 957532 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you seeing my requests? < 1355376084 389061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can't tell, because you have a cloak. < 1355376113 466037 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you seeing any requests? < 1355376124 587488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, from mf60536d0.tmodns.net < 1355376130 741777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My requests aren't coming from the same IP address as my IRC client, anyway. < 1355376137 300013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, that's probably me. < 1355376140 22588 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bas1-h-10-9.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355376140 256575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK. < 1355376163 367718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When it is not found, my server responds "File not found"; does it say that or "Not Found"? < 1355376206 542285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : --- [1] File not found < 1355376220 875619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: File not found < 1355376234 735652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you try to see exactly what your computer is sending? And then we can see which side is wrong. < 1355376255 261925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works with every client I have tried. < 1355376264 923612 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I have idea: < 1355376267 254359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disable Gopher+ < 1355376280 636258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried two clients. < 1355376282 544601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher and forg < 1355376300 870123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what Gopher+ is or how to disable it. < 1355376363 827672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it work with netcat? < 1355376404 98614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do I type in? < 1355376407 886735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"/1"? < 1355376426 4716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing. < 1355376437 605404 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Push the return key. < 1355376438 461170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that shows some things. < 1355376474 316082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why isn't it working with my regular client? < 1355376493 395152 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens when you use netcat listening on port 70 and connect to it with your other gopher client? < 1355376528 302340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sends a / < 1355376550 695400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that is improper. < 1355376574 956786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The protocol is not supposed to do that unless you have another / after the 1 in the URL < 1355376639 985620 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bas1-h-10-9.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355376650 906743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are both my gopher clients broken? < 1355376675 378217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; but every client I have tried (on many operating systems, even Android, since someone I know has one) works properly! < 1355376717 508756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use Debian and these are the two that are in APT. < 1355376731 263547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is because Gopher+ mode is enabled and needs to be turned off. Does it have configuration setting which can be changed? < 1355376733 988657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try one in Firefox. < 1355376766 192882 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Firefox, you could try Overbite, which works better than the one that used to be built-in. < 1355376792 934289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, OverbiteFF works. < 1355376856 436156 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overbite < 1355376869 677474 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like an Überzombie thing < 1355376887 805730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also wrote a gopher client for any UNIX system, called bashgopher, and a GUI gopher client for Windows, called Visgopher, and I don't know if it work on WINE or not. < 1355376904 883590 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :called so because gophers are often depicted with an overbite, prolly < 1355377056 805333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'furry*!video_game' | nc zzo38computer.org 70 | head -n3 | tail -n1 | cut -c 2- < 1355377064 8001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finally we can generate ourselves some game names! < 1355377116 113321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are great < 1355377119 480341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one way! < 1355377135 319156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nasty Chemistry in Middle-Earth < 1355377137 365599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, if you want, you can also download the programs into your own computer to use them, if you have PHP, in order to speed up < 1355377144 299255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than having to use internet. < 1355377145 733558 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bonk's Quarterstaff Lawyers" shiiiiit < 1355377154 879959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop the Hang Glider Choreographer < 1355377168 935327 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghetto Fun Operatives. this is genius < 1355377173 962500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bumping Nazi Fun < 1355377174 197022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stoic Golf Scam < 1355377182 331142 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canadian Blood 3000 < 1355377183 850696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Acidic Illithid Against Patents < 1355377186 4461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting Graveyard For Masochists < 1355377190 217446 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Occult Shark Odyssey < 1355377192 204738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bizarre Penguin Rebellion < 1355377203 187059 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure the ecco the dolphin is kind of that though < 1355377208 778581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Bird's Sniper Connection < 1355377215 817401 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Catholic Shaving 95 <-- okay, hang on now < 1355377217 197506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FurryScript is a command-line program, written in PHP, and you are free to use them under the GNU AGPL. < 1355377250 453888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flying Landmine Fiasco < 1355377256 909092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian Wagon Conundrum < 1355377259 44055 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody Likes the College Orchestra < 1355377291 740168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultraviolent Programming Boy < 1355377296 364508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all of the data in that file is mine, but much of it is; I also corrected some mistakes that the other data contained, and removed some duplicates and so on. < 1355377321 551419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Communist Croquet Voyage < 1355377327 542569 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Epic Llama Thieves < 1355377342 390290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xenophobic Yak Demolition < 1355377356 301519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Lost Kingdom of Spelling DVD < 1355377372 440444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiery Punching Chase < 1355377378 15794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Queen of the Racing Hospital < 1355377383 31266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you have PHP on your computer, you should download it if you are planning to make many requests, so that you can avoid overloading my computer or overloading the internet. < 1355377396 305409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scooby Doo and the Chocobo Dungeon < 1355377405 621252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I don't have PHP on my computer can I keep overloading the Internet? < 1355377409 441746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final Beautician Disaster < 1355377416 804306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jedi Hair Salon Massacre < 1355377421 784220 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asymmetric Janitor Unleashed < 1355377427 370111 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :front page news tomorrow: "online game name generator takes down Internet" < 1355377441 30043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Irritating Writing vs. Capcom < 1355377454 526611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, it would be better if you don't keep overloading the internet; but, it is possible to request more than one at once by a tab afterward and how many you want. < 1355377457 715168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five dimensional Drug-Dealing Crusader < 1355377462 146633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hitler's Wrestling Restaurant < 1355377475 6372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blessing of the Internet Posse < 1355377484 80352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Middle-Eastern Juggalo of the Law < 1355377490 8627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, thank you. < 1355377495 827913 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.somethingawful.com/d/photoshop-phriday/randomly-generated-games.php Oh, I forgot that SA did this once. < 1355377500 681210 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except they made covers to go with 'em. < 1355377557 263138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo $'furry*!video_game\t20' | nc zzo38computer.org 70 | grep '^i\w' | cut -c 2- < 1355377633 339567 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.somethingawful.com/u/garbageday/photoshop_phriday/2009_08_21/HellospPity_01.jpg i think it went well, personally < 1355377653 178065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unremarkable Gun Insanity < 1355377657 801343 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funky DJ Werewolf sounds lie a promising tv show premise < 1355377672 676536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring Ping Pong Expert < 1355377677 65419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds too realistic. < 1355377699 604522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Awful Bong Nation < 1355377700 919536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, then make a television show too, if you like to do that. < 1355377718 809083 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1355377731 586949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like one of those home makeover shows < 1355377741 931012 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the host comes to your room and inspects your awful bong and then helps you improve it < 1355377766 889729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :participants get a $1000 gift card for ROOR < 1355377768 12825 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does this tie into American Bong Saloon? < 1355377796 530010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's also a TV plot generator. < 1355377817 916463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THIS PROGRAM IS ABOUT A ILLOGICAL PHILOSOPHER WHO IS AMAZING AT BEING FUNNY < 1355377817 994956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND WHO SAVES A MANAGER < 1355377835 741263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blessing of the Bible - The Lost Levels < 1355377887 46659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That TV plot generator is very old and the original source is unknown, although it has been published by Creative Computing; I then added a lot of additional things to that file. < 1355377894 49903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the Lost Kingdom of Laser Preacher < 1355377897 19524 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is why they are in uppercase. < 1355377917 849439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Good reason. < 1355377958 407775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sniper on the Oregon Trail < 1355377982 919594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Night of the Underwear Interceptor < 1355377985 622513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hillbilly Hippo Bastards < 1355377999 638047 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are these movie titles or video game titles? < 1355378009 322933 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not both? < 1355378012 993101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emo Night in Hell! < 1355378023 156637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, there's also an adventure generator < 1355378024 592423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Math Pimps < 1355378027 497033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you use !adventure < 1355378029 674316 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :did this thing generate the name of real fast nora's etc. ? because it should have, < 1355378040 949888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Final Computer of Mother Theresa < 1355378065 976206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exciting Brain - Total Peace < 1355378120 97354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone is sabotaging wagons and carts to come apart when travelling at high speed. < 1355378126 530018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elves are using a gauntlets of arcane weakness to kill human librarians. < 1355378135 617389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Orbital Horse Racing Lawyers < 1355378161 383146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big Bird's Ghost Gone Wild < 1355378174 470284 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355378186 487374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankenstein's Transvestite Castle < 1355378187 866217 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell2-h-1-2.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355378191 13817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mary Kate and Ashley's Fish Revisited < 1355378192 282283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything burns. < 1355378199 255382 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355378208 224068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You receive a map with many deliberate errors. < 1355378229 159494 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frankenstein's Transvestite Castle <-- well that one's obviously a movie. < 1355378246 992454 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-184-186.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1355378262 24131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wandering Cat 2000 < 1355378345 360630 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not necessarily. maybe it is like a crossbreed of rocky horror and luigi's mansion < 1355378351 888888 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychedelic Forklift Competition < 1355378355 653853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bling Bling Florist Overlords < 1355378371 680292 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: isn't that just luigi's mansion < 1355378402 151162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm < 1355378407 193323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the music is more fun < 1355378596 197989 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dirty Tennis Yoga <--- ok that would sell < 1355378615 673972 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but would it be legal? < 1355378623 888460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.f. http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2002/10/18 < 1355378703 395297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperfect Hovercraft Physics <--- this game came with windows 95 < 1355378717 948239 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"BMX XXX" why did i look up what that comic was referring to < 1355378739 385787 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently there were not one but two rocky horror video games < 1355378741 782178 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah < 1355378744 505569 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1355378746 751971 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell2-h-1-2.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355378751 233944 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you have a c64 emulator < 1355378774 107436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geriatric Otaku Nation < 1355378788 66748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i missing kmc running a zzo program < 1355378811 380074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximate Bedtime For Masochists < 1355378830 658614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im reading all of these wow they're good < 1355378841 383808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:43:16 Scooby Doo and the Chocobo Dungeon < 1355378845 84035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus < 1355378856 506162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :05:44:01 Irritating Writing vs. Capcom < 1355378861 562948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ < 1355378872 114900 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chocobo's dungeon was really pretty fun. adding a mystery-solving-dog component could only improve it < 1355378885 290306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dracula's Bomberman - The Dark Project < 1355378897 690236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No < 1355378911 133080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neon Wheelchair of Love < 1355378916 627934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unbelievable Enlightening Trivia < 1355378931 179009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye Olde Hamster I < 1355378937 302735 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about zx spectrum < 1355378945 822716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Papal Bass Vengeance < 1355378959 223915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Postmodern Chess Detective <--- this is a canadian TV show (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endgame_(TV_series)) < 1355378962 3211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't have that either. Not on this computer, anyways. < 1355378967 388950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty good < 1355378968 433395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Infernal Barcode Strike Force < 1355378992 310366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Russian Shock Babies < 1355379000 932475 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know a way to port binaries targeting those systems without an emu < 1355379012 54275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interstellar Lowrider Plus < 1355379013 548100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: No. < 1355379022 499398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Biblical Stone in Space < 1355379026 373221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need them? < 1355379037 693513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Low G Hillbilly Colosseum < 1355379047 392436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was an episode of futurama < 1355379054 191320 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The game involved playing as either Brad or Janet and collecting pieces of the Medusa machine scattered around the castle, in order to free your partner from stone and escape the castle before it blasts off. Meanwhile the other characters in the game can hinder your progress by stealing and hiding your clothes along with what you are carrying.» < 1355379075 150712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Single Fun - The Last Generation < 1355379084 302551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the last generation because everyone in it is staying single and not having babies < 1355379087 388783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they have fun < 1355379100 881622 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Christian Spelling vs. The Space Mutants < 1355379112 327736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Renegade Telephone Colosseum < 1355379120 38042 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Legend of Frankenstein's Monster < 1355379125 457915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pagan Banjo Caper. i think this may be the best program of all time < 1355379147 980581 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1355379157 433735 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, don't wait < 1355379169 560538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i was just seeing if you ever tried to play c64 games on your computer < 1355379174 190886 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone did Frankenstein himself, but not Adam < 1355379181 284257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Evil Genius Sailboat Conundrum < 1355379218 937143 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dead Goth Symphony < 1355379223 568099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a good band name < 1355379229 877816 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, this is generated < 1355379257 944718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celtic Terrorist GT < 1355379267 310893 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stealth Workout - The Lost Levels < 1355379300 563849 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pro Plunger in the Magic Kingdom < 1355379306 386135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Angry Landmine Romance < 1355379329 233 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tactical Chess - Total War < 1355379334 336508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Combat Dating Dreamland < 1355379339 321850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :History of the Sunshine Thieves < 1355379343 133316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another band / album name < 1355379379 275807 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing about band names is that you have to specify a genre < 1355379387 383188 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise you can just enter in random characters and say it's post-rock, etc < 1355379391 278634 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bas1-h-41-7.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355379395 667202 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bas1-h-41-7.dab.02.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1355379406 303303 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Silly Transvestite Joe < 1355379426 240509 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wtf < 1355379432 502476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then write some for band name including genres! I wrote on esolang wiki of FurryScript, hopefully you can understand? < 1355379436 527547 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf Indian Chocobo Jihad < 1355379442 171365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think History of the Sunshine Thieves would play upbeat power-pop with unsettling existentialist conspiracy lyrics < 1355379443 416616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well that already works for post-rock bands in practice so what's the problem < 1355379444 184569 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are already dozens of generators. < 1355379446 334886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Children of the Tetris Collection < 1355379463 182026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be too long for anything but post rock though < 1355379465 918337 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i mean, what if i want a post-breakcore neobaroque-hop band name? < 1355379467 363665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tetris collected them... but now... the tables have turned < 1355379477 267176 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nasty Tetris DJ < 1355379487 129836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: then possibly it is for the best that there is no band naming service to suit your needs < 1355379492 198382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cybernetic Harp Gladiator < 1355379497 929287 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philistine. < 1355379500 149813 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Small-Time Techno Havoc < 1355379508 99029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weary Punching Mathematics < 1355379515 662020 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inbred Bongo Scam < 1355379527 861656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop the Anarchy < 1355379528 571433 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody Hates the Midget Sickness < 1355379530 962600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the extra space. i don't know why < 1355379536 534237 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cosmic Booty Project < 1355379556 545335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you look at the script codes then you will know why. But you can just ignore the extra space. < 1355379562 649019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will < 1355379563 926910 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :All-Night Lawnmower Slayer < 1355379565 532155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star Wars Spatula Deluxe < 1355379570 716080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hazardous Flatulence World Tour < 1355379585 386144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hip-Hop Banjo Co-Op < 1355379592 620347 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupendous Turtle Machine < 1355379601 307592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have i started < 1355379616 337309 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Radical Baking Assault Forever it will be a channel to discuss these now < 1355379627 222364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luigi's Smart Sickness < 1355379629 757969 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Special Hobo Gold < 1355379633 168629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Escape from the Fun Noodle World Cup < 1355379639 524346 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would NOT want a hobo's special gold < 1355379641 386939 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically it's all zzo's fault. you're just the harbinger, shachaf, of zzo's doom < 1355379643 9928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so fun any more < 1355379654 585576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tropical Cheese Sorcery < 1355379666 111915 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Screaming Frisbee Universe < 1355379667 478932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exquisite Bible Armada these are so good < 1355379674 14071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Drug-Induced Baking III < 1355379675 636798 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just imagining every frisbee ever thrown just screaming < 1355379689 121651 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :AaAAAAAAAAA *blarg* < 1355379693 345008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Return of Dinosaur on the High Seas < 1355379704 810661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hybrid piracy/dinosaur game < 1355379725 911376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an iphone app that helps you bake stuff while you are high < 1355379732 690575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would make about a billion kajillion dollars < 1355379743 777687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ultimate Business 2k < 1355379757 197935 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unforgettable Burger Warfare < 1355379771 857117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Topsy-Turvy Cannibal Struggle < 1355379775 899893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jedi Programming Principle <--- less a video game and more a linkbait post on hacker news < 1355379798 555647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote ctopus < 1355379800 184285 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :191) Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) \ 220) ais523: Maybe it is better, because I don't think the octopus will live very well in the tree. But the difference is that the Internet is lying and you cannot see such things; you could m < 1355379805 52331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are pretty good. < 1355379806 147161 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Someone should actually write a good article about that < 1355379817 19794 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that second quote referring to the pacific northwest tree octopus? < 1355379818 717587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get Cat Eating < 1355379827 633499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unforgettable Pony - 2nd Impact < 1355379837 155283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I assume so. < 1355379843 287631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: My mother once forwarded that email to me. < 1355379846 209885 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enormous Fun Island < 1355379855 404070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NBA Biplane Dungeon < 1355379857 899793 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: http://bradapp.blogspot.com/2009/07/jedi-programming-just-enough-design.html i have something to tell you < 1355379860 344872 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No One Can Stop the Duck Bandits < 1355379860 744333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meta Deer Hunter of the Deep < 1355379871 31583 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be a good band name if it wasn't so long < 1355379872 904076 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think i convinced one of my friends of it once. considering how rainy it is here it's shockingly believable < 1355379889 502614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You're in the Pacific Northwest? < 1355379897 659114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: band The Duck Bandits, album No One Can Stop the Duck Bandits. perfect? < 1355379901 44363 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ayep < 1355379901 872130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-Bit Android DJ <--- shit yeah that would sell < 1355379910 218457 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: bit.trip beat? < 1355379912 860667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Masters of Wheelchair Deathmatch < 1355379959 558316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Search of Dungeons and Dragons Task Force < 1355380000 142686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :History of the Punching vs. You < 1355380020 783026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: another good band name < 1355380024 407624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this program is multi-purpose < 1355380031 756228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ye Olde Drug-Dealing Crime Scene Investigation < 1355380038 561261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahahaha < 1355380075 360938 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But a band called Duck Bandits already exists < 1355380091 990639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Double Gnome Tournament < 1355380108 361483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Post-Apocalyptic Penguin Trader < 1355380137 47785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Undercover Otyugh Balls < 1355380143 410120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duke Nukem: Shaving Eating < 1355380153 478613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaving eating < 1355380159 748523 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Geriatric Buddhist Raider < 1355380172 717882 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hahaha < 1355380173 777872 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Super Sexy Manlove Beta < 1355380184 31984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they haven't worked out all the kinks yet < 1355380188 176933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ducks < 1355380193 814733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almighty Skate Invaders < 1355380209 78609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fisher Price Tentacles Nightmare < 1355380230 789403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bad Programming Fiesta < 1355380234 481069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imperial Sunshine Orchestra < 1355380235 832824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are y'all still running this game name generator? < 1355380255 18902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Asian Hell Anarchy < 1355380255 351355 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, they're just hooked directly into the mind of god now. < 1355380279 749421 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bot in another channel on another network had this thing where you specified kinds of words (like proper noun) with one or two letter combinations, and it would fill it in into a sentence < 1355380282 683244 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Religious Juggalo Paratroopers < 1355380287 900331 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It had some more advanced stuff too < 1355380297 108060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curse of the Puppy in Vegas < 1355380299 195378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :God were the sentences funny < 1355380317 702497 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course you could write out most of the sentence yourself and have it only small parts < 1355380320 446081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Narcoleptic Jetski Diesel < 1355380334 807369 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1355380335 947233 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a channel on another network where they just have a bot that messages at a common rate with markov gibberish < 1355380345 73521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All-Day Caveman in Bed < 1355380346 420834 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, the consequence is that it's hard to tell the humans apart from the bot < 1355380352 30185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody Loves the Prison Psychiatrist < 1355380398 323938 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355380422 124288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mary Kate and Ashley's Juggalo Showdown < 1355380434 426465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Very Own Money Conundrum < 1355380458 203471 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Revenge of Bong of the Third Reich < 1355380472 817654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one sounds like a *really* bad stoner comedy < 1355380478 20711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wacky STD Inferno < 1355380500 67090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my very own money conundrum sounds pretty sad < 1355380528 785648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transvestite Flatulence For Masochists < 1355380544 224252 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are sounding increasingly illegal. < 1355380547 822296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hunt For the Punching Beatdown < 1355380600 519410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Minimal Cricket Rage < 1355380602 643655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Antediluvian Cowboy of Magic < 1355380605 817789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the JVM really make it impossible to do tail call elimination? < 1355380611 366115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2-Bit Hardware Country < 1355380618 573706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even just jumps in general, except within a method? < 1355380621 532253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :1-Bit Breakdancing - The Gathering Storm < 1355380628 71009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Medical Sudoku in My Pocket < 1355380634 306223 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355380637 137118 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i think it would interfere with the security model? < 1355380653 110407 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355380653 183235 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355380653 256258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much about the JVM. < 1355380660 120850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Symmetric Jetski Offline < 1355380661 673279 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neither do I < 1355380667 466402 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jazz2online.com/junk/tick/tickbot.html#rsg < 1355380667 846253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would it interfere? < 1355380670 865718 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Read up < 1355380677 812760 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's what i've heard. since tail calls mess up the stack frames < 1355380684 651300 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which... are needed for security audit or something < 1355380711 74067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexadecimal Wordplay - Star Trek Edition < 1355380715 307401 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but isn't the idea of tail call elimination that you just optimize a recurisve function into a loop via code transformation? so like, the function doesn't exist anymore kinda < 1355380718 956003 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«These requirements could in theory be supported, but it would probably require a new bytecode (see John Rose's informal proposal).» < 1355380722 975006 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual bot ended up more advanced but the documentation wasn't updated < 1355380725 295845 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, the JVM can inline, and that changes things < 1355380727 276895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celebrity Writing Jihad < 1355380754 983964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: TCE doesn't have to be a call to the same function, is the crux < 1355380755 298354 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yes, so a 5-deep recursive call that would have been five stack frames for audit turns out to be just the one. < 1355380765 377521 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah, that would make more sense. duh. < 1355380767 670471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. you can have two mutually-recursive functions, say < 1355380774 69054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even just 5000 different functions that all tail-call each other < 1355380778 720713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they'd all get optimised < 1355380786 411476 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you can just, you know, have a tail call. No recursion necessry. < 1355380787 847748 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why you can't optimise it "locally" by just changing one function < 1355380787 921488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a < 1355380803 768193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mrs. Wumpus Simulator < 1355380806 637294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preschool Architecture - The Lost Levels < 1355380813 511131 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with calling it an optimisation is that in some languages, iteration doesn't exist at all < 1355380816 599212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The JVM has no jump instruction, though. < 1355380823 11129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except inside a method, and a method is limited to 64K < 1355380830 310391 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: are there any such languages besides scheme? < 1355380833 235552 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355380846 11855 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :64 k should be enought for everyone. < 1355380859 540291 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I can't think of any that aren't lisps < 1355380864 574052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Actually a method is limited at 64K - 1 :-( < 1355380865 514681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell < 1355380878 411593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Madden Pogo Dreamland < 1355380882 741213 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: 64 kB or 64 KiB? < 1355380885 663339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Five dimensional Hardware in My Pocket < 1355380887 917112 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(−1) < 1355380889 837399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mega Internet of Love < 1355380889 911297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix the WWII Monsters < 1355380892 126180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I assume KiB. < 1355380935 547083 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you can just make do with folds. < 1355380938 376687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In haskell most often you'd do something like map x ys but map itself might be implemented recursively (No idea about implementation, could be in C for all I know) < 1355380955 190173 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a fold if you want one end result < 1355380957 570959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's "map" is implemented in APL < 1355380961 862271 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1355381007 6417 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't technically meet the scheme standard though, probably, because it actually mandates tailness? < 1355381033 383582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure you could. < 1355381053 901058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it mandates constant space usage < 1355381056 8735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might not be able to have a mapping Scheme function -> JVM method. < 1355381059 564274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can achieve this on a given Haskell implementation < 1355381060 751128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is this jvm < 1355381123 534695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: When you write your Haskell compiler, can you not make it generate annoying names like "sfWk_info"? < 1355381130 338855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355381137 562938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many names does GHC actually generated, anyway? < 1355381145 907832 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose most of them are intermediate names that are never seen. < 1355381159 769167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather have it be called "alpaca_info" or something. < 1355381183 929054 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell’s “IO” is implemented as a container for a Perl script to be executed via libperl by the RTS. < 1355381196 995018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me translate that from ionese: < 1355381205 894334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's "IO" is implemented as a container for a Perl script to be executed via libperl by the RTS. < 1355381224 121046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :y u troll < 1355381226 49700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also a requirement that's approximately something like all possible paths of reaching a particular point must have the same (statically analyzed) stack effect, so you can't e.g. make a loop that'd pop off elements from the JVM stack. < 1355381243 784484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If an instruction can be executed along several different execution paths, the operand stack must have the same depth (§2.6.2) prior to the execution of the instruction, regardless of the path taken." < 1355381361 701555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : I'm just imagining every frisbee ever thrown just screaming < 1355381364 293731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like salvia < 1355381760 375029 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learning English through Exercise http://youtu.be/YZ1hah7QvIw < 1355381942 30984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the implication that taking a taxi in america will immediately lead to a knifepoint robbery < 1355382041 214053 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that not the case? < 1355382093 307446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only in detroit < 1355382102 970704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and oakland < 1355382105 523889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and east palo alto < 1355382138 385174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355382147 845009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never taken a taxi in EPA. < 1355382158 85202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've taken them in San Francisco, though. < 1355382191 252448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It felt very dangerous. < 1355382199 758539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was mostly because of the driver's driving, though. < 1355382237 434626 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1355382653 481334 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1355382866 257745 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355383794 484040 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://heaven.internetarchaeology.org/ I'm sure many people have seen this but it has not stopped being hilariously bad < 1355383836 22854 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :co-existance < 1355383892 246295 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1355383892 917420 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://midi.internetarchaeology.org/devil.mid < 1355383896 146091 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What song is that? < 1355384067 184593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by bad do you mean really good < 1355384121 951147 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a true work of art < 1355384124 649769 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :timeless masterpiece < 1355384131 813102 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :&c &c < 1355384150 449339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: hi < 1355384180 273329 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355384221 802939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I took your "hi" and sold it to a collector for "about a billion kajillion dollars" < 1355384437 265208 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love MIDIs < 1355384451 163983 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1355384578 237398 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1355384787 333342 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355384856 751570 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355384959 37068 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Excess Flood < 1355384967 287519 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355385076 446787 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy. I believe by #esoteric law I am required to do the thing. < 1355385101 274479 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's somewhat boring < 1355385109 44707 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a dumb law < 1355385120 903601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what law? < 1355385124 517168 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355385157 376412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The law of gravity. < 1355385158 684210 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355385172 211016 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's only enforced because of an obscure #esoteric rule from the middle ages. < 1355385183 20098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We'd all be free to fly around if it weren't for this channel. < 1355385206 884110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly stars wouldn't work either, but that's the price you pay. < 1355385207 946601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I always thought it was Newton's fault. < 1355385227 17111 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If only he had had sense to dodge that apple, we wouldn't have gravity? < 1355385248 632473 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apples usually fall up, don't they? < 1355385250 430554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's terrible. < 1355385766 755790 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: you've been playing too much iwtbtg. put down the delicious fruit. < 1355385791 80598 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't played much iwtbtg < 1355385806 431556 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love watching Let's Plays, but I haven't seriously tried playing myself < 1355385952 467190 :SingingBoyo!~SingingBo@d173-180-176-35.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355386118 452563 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in Finland: parking your car http://is12.snstatic.fi/img/978/1288523526349.jpg < 1355386391 370428 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355387783 283435 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355387908 42555 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355388702 877599 :nortti!nortti@dsl-hkibrasgw3-ff25c000-52.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355389041 882306 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355389069 105201 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355389069 178735 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1355389069 178888 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1355391451 987826 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355391887 340358 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355392068 804508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile also in Finland: Finnish Safety and Chemicals Agency has done their traditional yearly spot-check on christmas toys, and 14 of the selected 28 toys had safety deficiencies; 5 such that they were recalled, including a bow-and-arrow set with a laser pointer aiming thing that's "over ten times" over the 0.39 mW limit of a class 1 laser. < 1355392560 44802 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go dutch < 1355392574 567880 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got the name for it < 1355392605 692935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meanwhile in Dutch: Finse Veiligheid en Agentschap voor chemische stoffen heeft gedaan hun traditionele jaarlijkse spot-check op kerst speelgoed, en 14 van de geselecteerde 28 speelgoed had veiligheidstekortkomingen, 5 zodanig dat ze werden teruggeroepen, waaronder een boeg-en pijl-set met een laser pointer gericht ding dat is "meer dan tien keer" over de 0,39 mW grens van een klasse 1 laser. < 1355392683 474172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Boeg-en pijl-set" makes me smile. < 1355392718 595009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if "een laser pointer gerich ding" is something a native Dutch speaker might say. < 1355392729 710625 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it translated into (Finnish Safety) and (chemicals agency) too < 1355392763 698939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not terribly good. < 1355392770 296986 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My hair feels weird < 1355392785 487999 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your hair feels? < 1355392795 745766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine doesn't, as far as I know < 1355392878 303820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this http://www.turvallistajuhlaa.info/@Bin/44623/zoolife_popeyes_web.jpeg was recalled because one of the eyes fell off in the testing. With a name like "ZooLife Popeyes", I don't know what they were expecting... < 1355393362 368007 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355393639 993163 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-87.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355393658 895430 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I start talking about Factor again, is elliott going to bring that bot in again? < 1355393680 762794 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-87.elisa.ee PART :#esoteric < 1355393704 321073 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355393741 523270 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355393827 796279 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :: fortnight ( x -- duration ) 14 * days ; < 1355393834 789963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Better not tell you now", says the magic eight-ball. < 1355393840 565146 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That tricks me into thinking that 14 is being multiplied by days < 1355393840 637941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that wasn't very helpful. < 1355393931 411386 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355394521 701921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forthnight. < 1355394670 862011 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355394817 161942 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355395355 35322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:39:21] !conduct < 1355395355 108663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[12:39:21] Conduct: Do not eat a dagger more than 11 times. < 1355395361 114880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Had to retwe... I mean, share.) < 1355395626 173254 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!insulate < 1355395808 237408 :evitable!~myndzi@50-194-51-62-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355397482 483639 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355397513 897287 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355397839 89047 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'd find Factor easier if I viewed the stack shuffling words as though they were compositions of the function that follows them? < 1355397845 809987 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :swap foo is just like flip foo < 1355397942 526075 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is have you ever seen a mess of flips and made sense of it < 1355397956 993217 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that sort of thing happen in factor < 1355397976 912874 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to fear that that's the default in Factor < 1355398046 10555 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd assume otherwise but ~who knows~ < 1355398097 159041 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course you can't just take some wacky function and write it in factor with flips and make it readable but maybe you can write it in some other way that's easier to make sense of, using higher level features, and comment it if needed, &c < 1355398156 899 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all if factor was just a mess of flips who would use it :] < 1355398546 825321 :ogrom!~del@sign.online.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355398803 741061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: spoilers no one uses factor :'( < 1355398809 165787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: (but not because of the flips) < 1355398881 247583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you get the kind of >R SWAP R@ OVER R> thing in Factor? < 1355398980 502456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That's (a b c -- b a c a c) and is probably conventionally written in some other way, I just mashed some keys.) < 1355399113 10138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is how Forth's return stack works: http://www.forth.com/starting-forth/images/ch5-return-stack.gif < 1355399166 704661 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why don't people use factor :0 < 1355399178 19881 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1355399180 465279 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if sgeo used factor < 1355399186 106003 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be people using factor ? < 1355399356 412456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only is Sgeo is people. < 1355399375 321830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Sgeo made of people? A horrible thought. < 1355399381 260608 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[ swap ] dip 2dup < 1355399394 213542 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that should have the same effect in Factor. Hmm < 1355399405 456503 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would you write that < 1355399431 337814 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355399462 518383 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not < 1355399684 349141 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sure. Forget to output makes it error < 1355399697 152019 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/j6E2dD works, but swapd is apparently depreciated < 1355399737 718047 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why would you write that............. < 1355399777 575472 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's what fizzie's thing does. < 1355399786 212298 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/zrZAGv < 1355399968 399429 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The depreciation thing for swapd says that it's depreciated, and the use case would be better served with lexicals < 1355399993 639918 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The data flow represented by this shuffle word can be more clearly expressed using Lexical variables." < 1355400048 468953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are that in any way like Forth locals? < 1355400108 220877 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what Forth locals are like < 1355400132 371083 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Example of a word defined with lexicals: < 1355400143 818924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :: foo ( a b c -- b a c a c ) >r swap r@ over r> ; would be written with locals as : foo { a b c -- b a c a c } b a c a c ;. < 1355400143 995988 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::: ( a b c -- ) a . b . c . ; < 1355400152 743763 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so yes < 1355400159 187160 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops forgot to name it < 1355400203 704921 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems very similar, except for the syntax. (:: instead of {}s in the stack comment?) < 1355400262 553780 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355400277 847213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :True Forthers (as far as I can figure out) say locals are the worst possible thing, should be never used, and you should just factor the words into smaller and smaller pieces instead. < 1355400298 202468 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that they are a "crutch" that will make you not factor properly. < 1355400313 571919 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly also that anyone caught using locals should be shot. < 1355400334 884432 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo writes forth codes right? is zzo a true forther < 1355400346 402035 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/XxXaIb < 1355400376 63851 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor seems to take the view that they should be used only when needed < 1355400395 476395 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, strings don't need a space after the ". It's an exception in the parser < 1355400404 128340 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other things like URL" still need the space < 1355400436 14720 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there's also [let ] that can be used anywhere < 1355400528 988952 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's a way to write dip in pure Factor < 1355400541 517991 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dip is defined, as it turns out, but in terms of dip < 1355400563 16398 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The primitive dip is used with literal quotations, and the definition is used for non-literal quotations < 1355400577 944703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: Technically, you can use { anywhere too: http://ideone.com/Kbh5F6 < 1355400585 599337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that you'd probably want to.) < 1355400625 882683 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that doesn't seem to terminate? < 1355400630 189199 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except at the ; < 1355400638 664038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do http://ideone.com/eO60Di if you want to get rid of them early too. < 1355400639 52927 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really be sleeping < 1355400666 624228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, the comment for the locals is now misleading. < 1355400669 973431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you get the point. < 1355400686 551317 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355400702 486017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The scope/endscope is probably gforth-specific.) < 1355400703 326505 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Factor, those aren't comments < 1355400772 900788 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part after -- is a comment in Forth. < 1355400806 5059 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought stack declarations were comments in general. Oh, except for the locals stuff, sure < 1355400824 723440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, yes, in ()s they're comments altogether. < 1355400845 886192 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor actually checks those < 1355400848 118977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANS Forth doesn't really define a syntax for locals, it just defines words that can be used to define syntaxes for locals, so my examples might've been quite gforth-specific overall. < 1355400860 805368 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The ANS Forth locals extension wordset defines a syntax, but it is so awful that we strongly recommend not to use it. We have implemented this syntax to make porting to Gforth easy, but do not document it here." < 1355400902 715649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's apparently the wrong way around compared to standard stack comment notation, to begin with. < 1355400992 584390 :ogrom!~del@sign.online.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1355401003 698006 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong way around? < 1355401025 942983 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is that the syntax you used, or is the syntax you used Gforth specific? < 1355401150 745176 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool, in Factor it's possible for an error handler to forcibly resume from an error even if the thrower isn't expecting it < 1355401328 652150 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax I used is I think reasonably common, but it's not entirely standard. < 1355401381 295451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ANS locals for : foo ( a b c -- ... ) ... ; would be declared with locals| c b a |. < 1355401397 561483 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can see how that's a bit WTFy < 1355401400 527942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone really likes it all that much. < 1355401408 602484 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The order < 1355401409 801396 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean < 1355401524 6245 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there's shuffle( ) for arbitrary shuffling but I don't see any good docs < 1355401582 427931 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/7vHtCa < 1355401717 204352 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I suddenly fail to see how [ swap ] dip 2dup made any sense < 1355401826 173508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just assuming [ ... ] dip was kind of like >r ... r>. < 1355401871 929062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case it makes sense. (And I suppose >r swap r@ over r> would arguably be better as >r swap r> 2dup, since 2dup exists too. < 1355401942 517568 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/OnSmVL < 1355401947 516932 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, I got it wrong < 1355401957 505657 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it should be [ swap 2dup ] dip < 1355401966 819910 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see what happened: < 1355401977 698622 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned your b a c a c thing into b a b a c < 1355401996 119621 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The [ swap ] dip 2dup was written for b a c a c < 1355402664 575903 :Taneb!~Taneb@mail.qehs.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355403663 472466 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-1-8.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355403983 465379 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-1-8.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355404126 337375 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355404217 395570 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First the disembodied hand picks up a number. Then the flying two-headed monster arrives. It's obvious when you think about it. < 1355404378 855918 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(related to: This is how Forth's return stack works: http://www.forth.com/starting-forth/images/ch5-return-stack.gif ) < 1355404483 127728 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could something be obvious, when i have to think about it first anyway < 1355404632 52931 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355404633 394802 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :467) Pythagoras was running away and he reached a field of beans, but he didn't want to step on them so he let those guys chasing him to kill him instead. < 1355404821 753294 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the blood provided the beans with some extra nutrients as well < 1355404822 87216 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so considerate < 1355404985 240556 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355405232 534087 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355405233 918373 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :549) Hulu's movie selection is like MST3K without the MST3K characters. < 1355405646 163605 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355405646 710552 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355405647 654016 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :694) northern ireland is quite a way to drag someone from scotland <-- not really. I just checked in google earth Vorpal: but dragging people across water's a bit tricky < 1355405647 820287 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :55) hmm, this is hard < 1355405648 149840 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355405649 478730 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :366) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary so far, it has found four digits I hope it will find the fifth some time this week < 1355405711 479927 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :694: who was being dragged and for what purpose? < 1355405770 413477 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, does the return stack do anything important, or is it just a convenient place for when you need another stack? < 1355405774 981499 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :366 is good, 55 is a bit boring < 1355405796 719810 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you must restore it to its original state by the end of the function (or whatever Forth calls functions) < 1355405810 676291 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the top is expected to hold a return pointer < 1355405820 370918 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you want to do tricky continuationy stuff I assume < 1355405830 946113 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355405858 27824 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that explanation from Ch5 of http://www.forth.com/starting-forth < 1355405912 108464 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a quick browse, it looks like fizzie's linked image is fairly representative of the odd illustrations < 1355405945 889810 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Learn You A Haskell is a bit that way too, are "cutesy bizarre illustrations" a thing now in programming books?? < 1355406012 458470 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help < 1355406012 571533 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help . Ask for help for . Try 'list' for all commands < 1355406017 377295 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@list < 1355406017 717220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://code.haskell.org/lambdabot/COMMANDS < 1355406026 921232 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could've just linked me the first time < 1355406027 360571 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, not in Factor books. Because there are no Factor books. < 1355406052 275717 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're a thing in factor books too < 1355406055 686421 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there are no factor books < 1355406061 535791 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so 100% of all Factor books have bizarre illustrations < 1355406069 409280 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy++ < 1355406079 691414 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help tell < 1355406079 978520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell . When shows activity, tell them . < 1355406107 321794 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 Did you ever find the fifth binary digit of pi?? (`quote 366) < 1355406107 479786 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355406270 403012 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@freshname < 1355406270 575913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hain < 1355406405 149482 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, what if there's a deletion spree before then? < 1355406449 649249 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shrug < 1355406665 610930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: It is used by things other than return addresses too, which makes it slightly tricky to use. < 1355406696 733503 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loop control things, for example. < 1355406768 820604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't 10 >r ... do ... r> ... loop and expect r> to pick up the 10. < 1355406787 320496 :ogrom!~del@62.237.226.131 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355406861 143667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And in fact i is pretty much just r@ in disguise.) < 1355406901 135288 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about conditionals? < 1355406931 24452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think selection statements affect the return stack. < 1355407158 232812 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people consider Forth conditionals to be ugly? < 1355407194 215003 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor conditionals are less ... syntaxy, but harder to read imo because the code goes before the if < 1355407217 378756 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 zero? [ "It's zero!" . ] [ "It's not zero!" . ] if < 1355407287 952934 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people have complained about the misleading location of "then" in the Forth if then . < 1355407324 587790 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :gforth documentation prefers to use the synonym "endif" for "then". < 1355407354 530401 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can gforth conditionals be used at the whatever-the-REPL-is-called-in-Forth? < 1355407367 279602 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially when it's combined with else, making it cond IF truecase ELSE falsecase THEN otherstuff. < 1355407413 300617 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really get going < 1355407416 258570 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the interpreter? No, but you can use [if] [else] [then]. < 1355407421 649839 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a long day of mostly doing nothing at school < 1355407505 880265 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forth 0 if 1 else 2 then . < 1355407507 412144 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ in file included from *OS command line*:-1 \ /tmp/input.274:1: Interpreting a compile-only word \ 0 >>>if<<< 1 else 2 then . \ Backtrace: \ $40E19B30 throw < 1355407514 556696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forth 0 [if] 1 [else] 2 [then] . < 1355407515 730378 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 < 1355407563 758661 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor < 1355407572 805985 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wonder about the best way to add a factor command < 1355407576 804952 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, that could suck < 1355407594 959733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355407599 783457 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factor has a tendency to want you to list every vocabulary you want to use, and all the useful stuff is spread out among them < 1355407600 933431 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait what < 1355407603 927051 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which factor < 1355407605 362137 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/factor < 1355407609 566896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Factors numbers. < 1355407612 61631 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 142341 < 1355407612 943404 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor "Hello" . < 1355407613 99395 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :142341: 3 17 2791 < 1355407614 253130 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :factor: `"Hello" .' is not a valid positive integer < 1355407632 862490 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... the name of Factor still sucks major balls < 1355407636 372822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the factor of coreutils. < 1355407683 604175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder... < 1355407686 27960 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dpkg-query -S $(which factor) < 1355407687 409422 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg-query: failed to open package info file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' for reading: No such file or directory < 1355407690 771396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aw. < 1355407786 715411 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/concatenative/message/4873 < 1355407800 649685 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently the person behind Joy abandoned it and recommends Factor? < 1355407835 181243 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355407886 191749 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if there's a cleaner approach to syntax modification than Factor's approach < 1355407893 75494 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which I think is similar to Forth's?) < 1355407923 28629 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, cleaner approach in the concatenative language space < 1355408632 969672 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-ell2-h-83-1.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355409581 3263 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Turns out that exceptions are faster than return value checking for rare errors: mushspace and Hali will move to C++11, I'm afraid. (mushspace will of course still provide a C API.) < 1355410758 307835 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355410882 899376 :ogrom!~del@62.237.226.131 QUIT :Quit: Left < 1355411409 412415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Move to C with setjmp/longjmp. < 1355411424 709084 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But... but I heard a guy once say that exceptions are slow and nobody should ever consider thinking about using then! < 1355411426 437905 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :them! < 1355411435 315337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard a guy once say that. < 1355411471 889159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also heard you incur their cost even when not using them. < 1355411526 852552 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I thought about but I figured it's too impractical even for this. < 1355411624 589638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Move to C with inline-asm macros that do a vaguely setjmp/longjmp-like raw register dump/reload. < 1355411681 924504 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That could be an "in addition to" solution, but not an "instead of", since it requires per-architecture work from me. < 1355411786 335050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ooh, ooh, move to C with #define throw(errcode) *(void *)(errcode) exceptions that are "caught" by a SIGSEGV handler that pickles the uc_mcontext member of the ucontext_t to unwind back into a handler. < 1355411801 360977 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355411829 621792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (Both slow and horrible at the same time!) < 1355411863 414624 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Sorry, undefined behaviour is a no-go. < 1355411871 467000 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Points for creativity though. :-)) < 1355411945 601079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i knew somebody who proposed implementing futures in C that way < 1355411966 581178 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me guess, he's DEAD NOW? < 1355411970 439999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probabl < 1355412385 680809 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355415694 282362 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355415725 539861 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355416836 918257 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1355417208 529927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Why not just use setjmp or whatever < 1355417225 713258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's syntactically ugly unless you use some macro hackery but there's nothing wrong with it. < 1355417276 974420 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's ugly and potentially a pain for users < 1355417294 800662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it matters for users, then you don't export a "C API". < 1355417330 90231 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I export a C API as an alternative; C++ users can use the exceptions directly. < 1355417406 48116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't think setjmp/longjmp are that ugly, since you can recreate a try/catch structure directly with just some macro hackery anyway. It's not that far off < 1355417552 903546 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it does matter for users, since the users will be the setjmp'ing ones. < 1355417638 354774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, so the C API will be awkward whether you use longjmp or exceptions. < 1355417789 614638 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I use longjmp it'll be awkward due to having to pass a jmp_buf everywhere. If I use exceptions the C API will be return codes, and you can ignore them if you're willing to ignore malloc failures, like people tend to be. :-P < 1355417812 792492 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355417839 668025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like malloc ever actually fails on linux < 1355417855 745206 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can if you've configured it to do so. < 1355417859 51639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1355417861 91043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i have actually < 1355417866 39253 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on non-Linux systems, of course. < 1355417873 107503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it can fail if you run out of virtual address space before you run out of actual storage < 1355417879 947146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is pretty plausible on 32-bit < 1355417882 683508 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1355417940 36856 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, actual storage space is larger than 2^32? < 1355418019 541018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that can happen, sure < 1355418022 112251 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some OISC esolang on the wiki like that, that claims to be turing-complete but that can only access as many instructions as the fixed-length addresses allow it < 1355418066 333774 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the article starts by stating words can be for instance 5-bit long, and then it gets way too complicated for more and somehow seems to assume words are infinite or something < 1355418098 531900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also physical storage is typically allocated when memory pages are actually used < 1355418161 750862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you could allocate 2^32 bytes of memory, not actually touch it, and end up with a small physical memory footprint < 1355418171 186652 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still run out of address space < 1355418243 935825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :16:56:29 If I use longjmp it'll be awkward due to having to pass a jmp_buf everywhere. If I use exceptions the C API will be return codes, and you can ignore them if you're willing to ignore malloc failures, like people tend to be. :-P < 1355418262 318705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can abstract the jmp_buf, but don't you have some sort of "interpreter state" object you can stuff it into instead? < 1355418278 877189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd probably just abort() or fail silently on malloc failures, though. mushspace isn't mission critical. < 1355418295 185830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Wait, why do you need a jmp_buf yourself? Just call a function pointer on an error. < 1355418305 205689 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to be anal about handling malloc failures correctly. < 1355418310 108090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it wants to unwind the stack it can arrange that itself in a language-specific manner (setjmp/longjmp or exceptions). < 1355418355 651107 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are other kinds of errors as well (also the rare kind), it'd be impractical for the user to manage them all. < 1355418426 882760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It can just pass an error code/string/whatever to the funptr it calls? < 1355418441 417258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be minimal-effort to pass it a function that throws a C++ exception or whatever. < 1355418449 625102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you don't care, you can just pass it something that abort()s. < 1355418554 445162 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think everything that can fail has access to a mushspace*, so that could work. < 1355418636 807285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the function call overhead could theoretically make actually *handling* an error slowly, but I assume you don't care about performance in the rare error cases, so this seems like the cleanest solution to me. < 1355418673 563502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Of course you might want to use other C++11 features too. But C++ libraries are such a pain, esp. to bind to other languages. Admittedly having a C API handles most of that work.) < 1355418808 799744 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, error handling speed is irrelevant. The error cases are essentially "malloc (or equivalent) failure" / "cannot fit input into address space" / (various kinds of) "infinite loop detected", which shouldn't be common. < 1355418838 8569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the probability of generating a valid UTF-8 sequence by picking random bytes uniformly is about 53.6% < 1355418934 666199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I guess you also need to store a (void *) somewhere so that the error handler can get access to a jmp_buf that a hypothetical user stuffed in. But that's just standard "closure in C" stuff. < 1355418942 817764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they could just use a global I guess. < 1355418953 355812 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I need to do some operations before rethrowing, though. < 1355418956 267618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the probability if you pick only high-bit bytes is about 16.4% < 1355418971 94942 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355418982 304793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: That sounds a little fiddly but easy enough. < 1355419003 400699 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355419016 625534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could simplify it by storing a FILO of error handlers that you push that stuff to. < 1355419018 652391 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It means I'd have to propagate the exception via other methods until I'm sure I can call the user's handler. < 1355419048 263382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you could just override the handler to be one that cleans stuff up and then calls the user's exception handler. < 1355419104 345741 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's likely to be more expensive than try-catch-throw, I think. < 1355419156 479909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, the expense of reassigning a pointer? < 1355419238 781836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say you use struct error_handler { void (*handle)(void *userdata, char *error); void *userdata; }; Then if you have finalisation work to do, you write: void my_finalising_stuff(void *userdata, char *myerror) { error_handler *old_handler = userdata; ...finalise stuff...; old_handler->handle(old_handler->userdata, error); } < 1355419239 353965 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's at least four pointers: save user's handler and data pointers and anything from the stack our handler will need, write our handler and data pointers. < 1355419261 523069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. < 1355419270 557798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds pretty cheap to me. < 1355419287 742511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often do you even set these up? < 1355419302 245277 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This would be in every write operation. < 1355419306 867132 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. often. < 1355419339 245128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely you can avoid that: have the error handling function itself call a finalise_write_stuff() function before the user's error handler, and have that just read from something in the (mushspace *). < 1355419354 2262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you only have to store what you absolutely have to store (the relevant data it needs to access). < 1355419372 738667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(You can generalise this by doing the FILO thing and just setting it up ahead of time.) < 1355419523 740119 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The relevant data will change every call, and it's not /only/ in writes that I have to do some kind of finalization. < 1355419634 216721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, so if you set up a FILO or whatever of all the possible types of finalisation you need to do ahead of time (and only actually walk it when you handle an error), the only cost of changing the relevant data is copying it; you avoid the overhead of messing with the error handlers because they're done ahead of time. < 1355419761 830845 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355419801 929267 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's quite messy internally, and just that small bit of copying might already be too costly. I suppose it's worth a try, though. < 1355419863 957744 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355419892 584814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly you could save on copying time by having your error handlers look down the stack at your code's data. < 1355419905 395184 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1355419915 812911 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that's what C++ try-catch achieves without invoking undefined behaviour. :-P < 1355419925 760217 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355419995 838176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That jumps, and stuff!!! < 1355419999 133799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overhead. < 1355420009 285245 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And re. your bracketed thing earlier: yes, I might want to use some C++ somewhere anyway. A case I expect to hit sooner or later is that qsort takes only a function pointer without a void* context... std::sort would be much more convenient than having to select between qsort_r/qsort_s depending on the libc. < 1355420045 415055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm sure you can do much better than qsort anyway... < 1355420046 753667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :timsort? < 1355420120 418363 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :qsort isn't guaranteed to use quicksort, is it? < 1355420155 677522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: No. But it's also not guaranteed to use the best algorithm you can get your hands on. < 1355420162 495164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think any libcs use timsort. < 1355420209 445741 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but this is the kind of thing whose optimization I might be willing to leave to the stdlib maintainers. :-P < 1355420218 680494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently glibc uses introsort and musl uses smoothsort. And uClibc uses, um, shellsort. < 1355420236 265389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's not even slightly close to a bottleneck? < 1355420323 503487 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's something not at all Funge-specific which is likely to be kept at least "fast in the general case" by people who aren't me, so outsourcing it can be worthwhile. < 1355420454 85766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I think you trust standard library maintainers too much. < 1355420471 337218 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe. < 1355420478 472970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway if you outgrow the qsort interface you have to pay some cost switching over, so I'd personally take the opportunity to implement timsort or whatever so I know it'll be fast. < 1355420482 527650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's just me. < 1355420586 159502 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also filed an LLVM misoptimization bug which turned out to be an off-by-one error in some bitset initialization code of mine. std::bitset would've avoided that hair-pulling. < 1355420619 924206 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is of course a specific case that could happen anywhere else and in any language.) < 1355420648 125210 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, this particular case only in languages without bounds checking on fixed-length arrays.) < 1355420672 173092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: The way I see it is that eventually you will end up reimplementing all this stuff just to see the numbers go down in benchmarks anyway. < 1355420683 636372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you might as well do it when you have an excuse like a nicer interface without switching languages. < 1355420735 423575 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh, there are cold paths which can benefit from things that C++ or its stdlib make simpler. < 1355420743 772526 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which won't show up in profiles. < 1355420767 969390 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do pay the cost of using C++ features, though. < 1355420805 749278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slower compile times, the effort of having to write C wrappers around stuff, larger binary (which could have performance implications), people will think you're uncool. < 1355420825 717735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure D would make a lot of things more convenient too :) < 1355420841 341111 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The binary with C++ exceptions turned out to be 2K larger, IIRC. < 1355420867 719894 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1355420878 831200 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not really compared to C++11, I don't think. For mushspace, that is. < 1355420967 369590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2K isn't much, sure; let me know what it's like when you use all the other conveniences. < 1355420981 265644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1355420996 795936 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1355421049 611180 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm getting to know haskell < 1355421101 321841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1355421312 99793 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the basics < 1355421333 442198 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a mushspace < 1355421716 800798 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's an implementation of a Funge-Space. < 1355421957 319784 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355421999 110768 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many befunge interpreters have been written in haskell < 1355422014 607443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :countably many < 1355422020 196125 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :For -98, at least two. < 1355422042 954263 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVER NINE FIIIIIFTHS < 1355422052 260031 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :... yes. < 1355422161 432212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I wrote an almost-complete, Mycology-passing-except-for-some-unimplemented-stuff, quite-a-few-fingerprints-implementing, not-the-slowest-thing-in-the-world one. < 1355422174 714755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was OK. I plan to write a version 2 of it someday once I figure out a nice fungespace representation. < 1355422200 905691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I might have re-lost the code again, after re-finding it. < 1355422235 852809 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Bytestrings maybe? < 1355422331 798975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. I don't think so. < 1355422335 522605 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should switch to C++ and not implement a C API just to make sure that Shiro 2 doesn't use mushspace against me. < 1355422339 205915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It... needs to be two-dimensional, for one. < 1355422354 547671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do you seriously think I'd settle for a mutable fungespace? < 1355422369 588595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... I might. But it's possible to eimplement efficient imperative code in Haskell, so I'd do that out of pride if I did make such a compromise. < 1355422375 416086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*implement < 1355422417 844139 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, you'd do what exactly out of pride? < 1355422437 932020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice to use persistent data structures for your interpreter < 1355422453 694922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can do checkpoints, nondeterministic eval, etc. < 1355422465 337514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yeah < 1355422470 364345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The problem is just efficiency, that's all. < 1355422485 170208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The competition in the Funge-98 space is pretty fierce. < 1355422500 646481 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not very active though. < 1355422516 765121 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just me plodding along and cfunge seems to have stopped. < 1355422547 123646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge isn't the one to beat anyways, CCBI is. < 1355422565 206376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should write a tracing JIT < 1355422566 695617 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge beats CCBI on some things. < 1355422579 295098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I probably can't beat whatever you're calling that new interpreter on raw benchmark speed. < 1355422597 423480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll be happy if I can be at least in the same league, have pretty code, cool debugging features, and implement all the stupid fingerprints you don't. < 1355422613 13944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1355422639 880142 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can be in the same league with a very persistent data structure, that'll be cool. < 1355422640 116994 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355422674 921422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would! < 1355422681 518055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I am prepared to compromise my ethics to some degree. < 1355422684 857575 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you can though. I could make the current mushspace persistent-ish. < 1355422731 528826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might cheat by having a persistent interface but with an impure underlying implementation, such that it's slow if you actually use the persistence much. < 1355422738 486961 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, not very efficiently persistent at all but some kind of COW copies would be possible. < 1355422740 601594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though those tricks never actually seem to perform well in practice. < 1355422817 228766 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355422845 385319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (Calling COW persistent upsets me.) < 1355422847 907078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Re. JIT, fizzie has/had a work-in-progress x86(?) JIT, another one of those not-active-but-fierce competitors. A JIT is currently the last thing on my todo list. < 1355422884 857267 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Isn't that the typical implementation technique? :-P < 1355422885 325218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :A JIT is sort of on my TODO list too. < 1355422892 376836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd help me cheat around the fact that Haskell isn't as fast as C. < 1355422910 917554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355422916 915481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Implementations-not-languages complaints will be answered by @quote monochrom Einstein.) < 1355422971 582310 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A custom JIT might make you win in some cases, I was just planning on having a fast interpreter and then using LLVM to JIT. < 1355422973 447564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what# do# you# mean#, Haskell# is# as# fast# as# c# < 1355422994 273722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right, I was going to do something significantly fancier. < 1355422997 906553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh you should try using pypy < 1355423010 234777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Something like running another thread that analyses the paths the IP goes through and writes code that skips the actual IP movement for those stretches. < 1355423020 851970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote monochrom Einstein < 1355423021 11481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monochrom says: einstein's theory implies that haskell cannot be faster than c < 1355423026 844292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course if you turn on TRDS or whatever that'd have to go. < 1355423034 486841 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing with LLVM as a JIT is that it's more like running a slow AOT compiler, just writing into memory instead of a file. < 1355423050 512187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you really want something more dynamic for Funge, I think. < 1355423052 690081 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM is probably a fine hot JIT. < 1355423059 794153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: For self-modifying programs? < 1355423068 157137 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is shown, Haskell can be as fast as C (or sometimes faster), depending on the program. Not always. < 1355423070 349270 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depends on how much they self modify *shrugs* < 1355423071 391593 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I figured I'd paper over that with the fast interpreter part. ;-P < 1355423078 731702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make self modifying in LLVM? < 1355423083 718670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do worry about that overhead/startup time, though. < 1355423086 365899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't see any command for that. < 1355423087 126254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*about the < 1355423092 161522 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Nope. < 1355423098 494116 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't consider using LLVM as the fast JIT though. < 1355423110 940170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be superfast on idealised benchmark #174 at the expense of Mycology taking 3 seconds to run. < 1355423116 79501 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point was to not have a fast JIT at all. < 1355423128 22437 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just an interpreter and a slow JIT. < 1355423138 431032 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1355423153 606230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'd want this JIT stuff to activate automatically because I don't like tuning implementation flags to benchmarks. < 1355423154 625215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have had idea that they could add some kind of self-modifying in LLVM. One idea is to be able to tie the reading and/or writing of a global variable to a specific instruction. < 1355423160 880909 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then LLVM is probably fine so long as you're tuned not to use it stupidly *shrugs* < 1355423161 600625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my goals are admittedly impossible < 1355423161 758200 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the former being hopefully good enough for one-time code and then LLVM handling loopy stuff well. < 1355423189 795063 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doing JIT stuff in another thread is an option. < 1355423223 305525 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then just say "JITting on single core will be slow". < 1355423237 121075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Threads have costs, still. Admittedly Haskell threads are basically free so I have an advantage 8) < 1355423250 485450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except not really since I'd only spawn one.) < 1355423285 601614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other ways to do self-modifying code might be like INTERCAL's ABSTAIN and REINSTATE; but such thing might also be done by tying a variable to a branching instruction. < 1355423295 560225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Do any of your benchmarks test stuff like IO / fingerprints? < 1355423300 703126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could beat you by super-optimising those. < 1355423358 288652 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355423392 110410 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I/O not much, but a bit on the side with the underload interpreter. It does show up in ministat: I filed a glibc bug concerning an #ifdef excluding Clang from inlining getchar. :-P (Let's see how soon that gets marked as WONTFIX or even INVALID.) < 1355423422 709613 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Fingerprints: again, the Underload interpreter uses STRN, but not otherwise. < 1355423450 281193 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, I don't have many benchmarks. I have the Underload interpreter and then the synthetic ones from Fungicide and that's it. < 1355423468 624303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hey, Drepper ain't in charge any more. < 1355423474 194092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (Have you tried musl?) < 1355423550 143257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1355423550 533465 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1355423553 541680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1355423553 698794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight said 5d 2h 23m 1s ago: There is a local company called AIS Gas. Thought you should know. < 1355423553 868576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover said 5d 2h 22m 31s ago: what does the i in your name stand for < 1355423553 941076 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight said 4h 50m 47s ago: Did you ever find the fifth binary digit of pi?? (`quote 366) < 1355423555 421772 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I noticed he was still CC'd when I submitted it, though. In any case as far as I could tell glibc only #ifdefs stuff for GCC, so I wouldn't be surprised if it were stopped. < 1355423568 749185 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: And no, I haven't tried any other libcs. < 1355423576 200710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell GreyKnight not using /that/ program, I've since determined it using other means < 1355423576 596545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355423579 902191 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 366 < 1355423581 341697 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :366) meanwhile, I've been running a program for over 24 hours (getting close to 48 now) which is calculating digits of pi, in binary so far, it has found four digits I hope it will find the fifth some time this week < 1355423585 507414 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I ASKED YOU IF IT WAS IAN AND YOU SAIT IT WASN'T < 1355423598 909405 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This was just to get my C++ conversion running at the same speed as the C version before switching it to use exceptions. < 1355423599 143962 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I thought I had a no-confirm-or-deny policy < 1355423608 312389 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, why does nobody ask what the s stands for? < 1355423609 476996 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*SAID < 1355423617 7951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the s is plural < 1355423627 138057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alex I[redacted]s series, number 523 < 1355423633 317226 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because your first and last names are extremely easy to find < 1355423634 151915 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looking at monads right now < 1355423647 305901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: So can your mushspace-based interpreter actually run programs? < 1355423670 358186 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Sure, so I could run the benchmarks. < 1355423684 203174 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x y = 1:y in return 3 =>> x =>> x < 1355423685 649963 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `=>>' < 1355423685 806586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1355423685 963835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : `>>' (imported from... < 1355423693 421763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Right, I just didn't know you'd gotten so far yet. < 1355423696 372883 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x y = 1:y in return 3 >>= x >>= x < 1355423697 813059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instances for (GHC.Num.Num [[b0]], GHC.Num.Num [b0]) < 1355423698 171607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a u... < 1355423713 54109 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1355423713 626715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I take it it'll be released in 5 years when it's perfect < 1355423714 532122 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It implements ( by checking that the input is 'STRN' and then sets strn_enabled to true. A-Z check for strn_enabled and then do the STRN stuff. < 1355423729 613660 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x y = [1,y] in return 3 >>= x >>= x < 1355423730 46291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's disgusting. < 1355423731 206044 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,1,1,3] < 1355423748 145036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should implement all the fingerprints that way for speed IMO. < 1355423749 800762 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's around 600 lines long (plus an old 1000-line stack impl) with a couple dozen globals. < 1355423769 696527 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needless to say it doesn't pass Mycology. ;-P < 1355423788 294213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1355423790 974899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How far does it even get? < 1355423811 484860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers all the wonderful Mycology-is-messed-up bugs in Shiro wistfully < 1355423837 323987 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it gets up to the y stuff. < 1355423878 371404 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :case 'y': { cell n = cc_pop(cc); switch (n) { case 9: cc_push(cc, mushcursor2_get_pos(cursor).x); break; case 10: cc_push(cc, mushcursor2_get_pos(cursor).y); break; } break; } < 1355423889 451367 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost complete y implementation. < 1355423919 786129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what cc stands for. < 1355423928 924977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I wonder if I could micro-optimise my stack implementation for speed. < 1355423935 763058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I even just used a strict linked list in shiro. < 1355423940 157508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that may well be the best it gets. < 1355423946 864680 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think I implemented fingerprints essentially that way in CCBI. Each A-Z got codegenned to a switch based on the topmost active fingerprint for that letter, or something. < 1355423953 671342 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or then it was just in my TODO list. < 1355423975 61510 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cc stands for CellContainer because that's what my stack impl calls its datatype. < 1355424005 481260 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it stands for current continuation in all contexts < 1355424006 532480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Shiro I just did the boring thing of having a list-as-stack of Shiro ()s for each A-Z. < 1355424008 474801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :including motorbikes < 1355424014 160697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ran the top one. < 1355424028 527826 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah, I did that in CCBI 1, at least. Not sure about 2. < 1355424066 424728 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw feel free to bikeshed a better name for something that can be either a stack or a deque. < 1355424069 672406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could probably do that codegen thing, though it'd involve either TH or cpp, neither of which I really want to use. < 1355424112 757720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: xixo < 1355424127 473197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OK, xiyo.) < 1355424168 40319 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I see what you're going for but I also think that's a bit too opaque. :-P < 1355424241 680234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going for /.I.O/ < 1355424249 929151 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1355424274 981949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks "deque" is pretty opaque too. < 1355424288 614314 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's standard, though. < 1355424400 989288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This structure isn't :P < 1355424436 379171 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? If it's a deque it's a deque. < 1355424460 825559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant your xiyo. < 1355424469 297382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"deque" is opaque but standard, "xiyo" is opaque but non-standard. < 1355424496 80018 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And CellContainer is not opaque, just verbose. :-P < 1355424525 850832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: How about "staque" < 1355424530 490692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is a serious suggestion) < 1355424544 630428 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, that could actually work. < 1355424579 920584 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might go with that when I do my cleanup of it, thanks. < 1355424618 463144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: If you make a version based on hashing the stack elements with an SHA algorithm you could call it Shaquille O'Neal. < 1355424623 898234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get it < 1355424631 306973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I am really terrible these days < 1355424634 517128 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :har har < 1355424711 749776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how fast a Rust Funge could be. < 1355424732 404384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great Rust Funge = grunge < 1355424869 70217 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1355425079 870536 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355425135 408463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1355425682 141837 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355425872 580712 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm learning about funge-98 < 1355425879 568158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this stack stack business is strange < 1355425893 802931 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of that old CPU architecture that had a register to determine which register is the instruction pointer < 1355425939 278118 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1355425948 476394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real weirdness Deewiant is talking about is an extension fingerprint < 1355425957 938777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them do really horrific stuff like that < 1355426015 270966 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have made a few changes to the specification of Complex Numeric Print in RogueVM. < 1355426076 756136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a lot more options than printf. < 1355426140 909013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also concurrent funge-98 specifices lock-step exceution of threads? < 1355426142 418102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1355426160 708666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's not concurrent-concurrent. < 1355426166 270824 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's there to make things more confusing, not for speed. < 1355426182 407620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also Funge-98 with continuous time barely makes any sense. < 1355426183 952548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah cause shared memory multiprocessing isn't confusing < 1355426187 888906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1355426192 511741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure it would not have to be continuous time < 1355426212 557288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would still have discrete steps on each IP, you would just let implementations step the IPs in any order < 1355426221 222600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders how true Funge-98 concurrency and TRDS would interact. < 1355426222 296217 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal was doing a fingerprint for completely asynchronous IPs < 1355426229 390781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe with some liveness criterion < 1355426229 626344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ATHR. < 1355426243 549922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hard to prove anything about concurrent programs without some liveness criterion < 1355426249 663260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, it is hard to prove anything about concurrent programs < 1355426256 499309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://www.rcfunge98.com/rcsfingers.html#TRDS, http://www.rcfunge98.com/trds.html) < 1355426269 984775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the real multiprocessor-friendly Funge apps use ATHR instead. It's like POSIX threads to Funge-98. Or would, and would be, if it existed. < 1355426273 228057 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1355426275 372557 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `Writer' < 1355426281 326268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Would you want to be running on ATHR? < 1355426281 971176 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i love how maxima can generate tex output is literally: case is preserved, special characters may be there, does not work < 1355426294 321701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You could be thinking about babbling and running a brainfuck program at the SAME TIME. < 1355426294 887918 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: university programming one of those dating sims. i can't use < 1355426301 899460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Except not since you run on a single-core machine. < 1355426302 648249 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it would only take about an hour that he is a monk. ( not that i know much more about macrology as i do < 1355426388 57272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the output it makes up have any relation to the input? < 1355426396 305548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly, no. < 1355426416 153681 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes it does by accident. < 1355426477 748628 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355426481 78316 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355426490 96678 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In one sense invocations of ^bool have a relation to the input, because they probably eat random numbers from the PRNG sequence. < 1355426499 169303 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, the output. < 1355426504 573892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the library was reorganized so Writer is now writer (and is just a function) < 1355426546 237706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually a method, after they generalized it < 1355426560 999414 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ok < 1355426585 874268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: When was the last time fungot got anything new? < 1355426586 357247 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: evil can be an operator or anything. fnord! shub-niggurath! as a book to that particular type < 1355426598 161300 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355426607 161554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A long, long time ago. < 1355426620 541599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"last change: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 00:18:53 +0000" < 1355426624 191791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as you can see, fungot is clearly in need of a new sacrifice < 1355426624 883700 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then just do what you want and where :) it was repeating so much code using these idioms that their abbreviation is helpful? < 1355426632 606622 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why didn't Learn You A Haskell get updated < 1355426651 143822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a vague feeling I did a bugfix and didn't commit it. < 1355426670 802328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: dunno < 1355426759 310224 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/gWUA yeah that's a bugfix. < 1355426786 113293 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :momus? < 1355426796 860081 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's what it runs on, momus.zem.fi. < 1355426811 888528 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay. < 1355426897 353291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the first fix is all about. The second is the bugfix about <> combining in brainfuck bytecode translation. < 1355426954 301625 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's some parameter to the babble randomizer. < 1355426961 331185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be the number of rounds. < 1355426983 233449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Each round through ? generates two bits of randomness; c -> f would mean 20 -> 30 bits. < 1355426993 950089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Have you considered updating the IRC data set? That woudl be exciting. < 1355427027 494044 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You now have 15 instead of 11 on the top of the stack when hitting that v next to the _, if I read that right. < 1355427029 328115 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think how many lenses fungot would talk about! < 1355427029 797539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355427029 875344 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: the fallback plan is to be root to sniff keyboard on *nix < 1355427052 55952 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: brilliant idea! < 1355427052 860829 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: gcc fnord infopage doesn't mention how one'd get the number of inversions in the vector, but fnord < 1355427069 453517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Yeah, and if I read the \4* ... ? 0/1/2/3+ \ 1- |loop kinda thing right, it's the round count. < 1355427091 547108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That wasn't actual Funge-98, that was kind of like a pseudocode notation.) < 1355427314 730958 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355427645 575398 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pseudofunge < 1355427759 356422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you should write my funge-98 interpreter for me once you're done with eodermdrome < 1355427772 361866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, someone's implementing eodermdrome? < 1355427799 790131 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/fine/ < 1355427801 206128 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :assholes < 1355427810 809601 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there already funge-98 interpreters, though < 1355427819 87401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, Bike. we are holding him to it < 1355427827 604224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes. in fact I already wrote one. but I want to write version 2 of it < 1355427829 583259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: several < 1355427834 154978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by "I want to write", I mean I want you to write < 1355427868 191030 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what makes it version two, as opposed to version one < 1355427868 736250 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I notice a theme running through elliott's projects :-U < 1355427872 285049 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from being ghostcoded < 1355427893 576023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should be faster and have more features and cleaner code. mainly it should make Deewiant feel inferior somehow < 1355427901 327256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my desk by tomorrow please < 1355427917 257280 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you get a desk < 1355427925 54484 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your Christmas bonus is dependent on completion < 1355427970 693429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the desk is for collecting things other people do for me < 1355427976 251 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where else would I put them < 1355428000 211845 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know where you can stick them '_' < 1355428002 742083 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What timezone do you want that tomorrow in? < 1355428036 837598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: all of them < 1355428057 659548 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could just put them in like, a bin < 1355428071 255371 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it would be easier to get, say, liquids other people do for you < 1355428079 197855 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i want to implement befunge as an actual fungus, for example < 1355428085 102772 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would eat your desk! < 1355428097 128335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are growing a bunch of fungus in my room < 1355428102 595591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oyster mushrooms and king trumpet mushrooms < 1355428107 739986 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they befunge interpreters < 1355428113 310171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is desk good to eat? < 1355428123 655078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you typed that second line before I could make a drugs joke < 1355428124 785596 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355428127 852671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are ruining my "kmc experience" < 1355428132 171477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1355428136 983883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i don't think they're befunge interpreters < 1355428142 996105 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame < 1355428151 755101 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: depends, how good are you at digesting cellulose? < 1355428157 366460 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On a scale of one to ten. < 1355428160 377057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they are running a program whose meaning is "spread a bunch of wispy mycelium throughout a jar of rye grain" < 1355428166 459781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't mean me! < 1355428199 282679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the worst thing about GHC is how it handles type variables. < 1355428224 561626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you get an error about how it can't match x_t8z with y7 there's no real way you can trace those back to the type variables in your actual source code without a ton of work < 1355428240 735218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if it used a richer representation that kept track of the *source location* and actual original name of the type variable < 1355428243 662797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*variables < 1355428257 722984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also represented bindings in a smarter way so it doesn't have to keep renaming type variables internally all the time < 1355428268 79003 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I approve of fungus-based computation < 1355428295 850771 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a shame that physarum machines is so expensive, i'd be all over that shite. not that slime molds are actually fungi, but, you know, baby steps. < 1355428322 319583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah < 1355428324 912724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did not know about these < 1355428335 890492 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :about type variables? < 1355428339 249411 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear slime molds aren't even _officially_ fungi any more < 1355428350 302970 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they're not < 1355428352 589700 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can simulate the known behaviours of slime molds and figure out if they're TC < 1355428373 191638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now they have no kingdom? < 1355428374 2322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or what? < 1355428398 860372 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A kingdom, a kingdom! My horse for a kingdom! < 1355428404 998159 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«In more strict terms, slime molds comprise the mycetozoan group of the amoebozoa» well ok < 1355428427 771355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they're fruit < 1355428446 369107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355428446 447405 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're delicious is what they are < 1355428452 70404 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which reminds me, do you all have a favorite phylum < 1355428460 207837 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine is placozoa, because there's only one thing in it < 1355428588 822718 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hears the sound of frantic googling < 1355428603 434301 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's latin for "some flat shit" < 1355428611 470448 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're even simpler than sponges, like how do you even manage that? < 1355428632 237443 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they simpler than befunges? < 1355428642 424390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O KAY < 1355428670 155068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:57:23 > sequence [1,2,3] < 1355428670 308680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:57:25 No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (m0 a0)) < 1355428670 382990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:57:25 arising from a use of `e_1123' < 1355428670 383222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:57:26 Possible fix: add an instance declaration for (GHC.Num.Num (m0 a0))No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 [a0])) < 1355428673 124559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:57:28 arising from a use of `M4696126599521770064.show_M4696126599521770064' < 1355428676 189951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:57:30 Possible fix: < 1355428678 708782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :19:57:33 add an instance declaration for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 [a0])) < 1355428681 654105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good lambdabot errors < 1355428684 209002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what's up with that M thing. < 1355428685 2959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (nethack reference) < 1355428686 985517 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are some hella names right there < 1355428702 289803 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_@ < 1355428771 751814 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355428921 110218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slime_mold#In_popular_culture < 1355428947 221331 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the slime mold is widely agreed to be the best character in nusicaa. < 1355429448 401015 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I managed to read that as "the best character in Indiana Jones movies". < 1355429458 886238 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was confusing, since I don't remember any very prominent slime molds in them. < 1355429510 206261 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355429615 754716 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355429656 332847 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355429727 694159 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never watched Indiana Jones and the Amulet of Yendor?! < 1355429801 918648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: How do you read "nusicdaa" as "the Indiana Jones movies"? < 1355429808 918089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nusicaa (*[sic]?) < 1355429826 506513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*nausicaä < 1355429853 783109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hence the *[sic]. < 1355429867 866257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :TECHNICALLY *Nausicaä take that < 1355429876 335193 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsc < 1355429895 226357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S WHAT I SAID, NAUSICAÄ < 1355429908 346208 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you didn't capitalize it. < 1355429914 57298 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess you just made up for that. < 1355430015 692977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could overpedant by poniting out that "in Nausicaä" still isn't quite pedantic-accurate. < 1355430019 419525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gcc -pedantic < 1355430044 45010 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the elliott anime compiler collection < 1355430076 183602 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :constant < 1355430242 130471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :gah it's so hard to google a satisfactory "that's the joke" picture < 1355430257 493131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan's true suffering < 1355430265 721016 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : that's the joke, oerjan < 1355430272 800494 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1355430542 53474 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, you have to admit, they *are* quite similar, stringwise. < 1355430579 201528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Also contentwise? < 1355430618 710048 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355430727 881787 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1355430730 506313 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1355430826 6686 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1355430841 257636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I... guess? They have moving pictures. < 1355430869 154544 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And people? < 1355430883 379201 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355430884 23106 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-pybjuirubotjhxik QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355430884 23277 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355430917 698090 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc.splitnode.net \/ < 1355430935 484932 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey my head disappeared \o/ Better < 1355431165 630684 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355431206 157737 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1355431207 778393 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1355431287 84857 :lifthras1ir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355431401 594471 :ineiros_!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1355431541 95270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (You think I'm kidding? Why do you think the packet length in ATM is 48 instead of 32 or 64? Yep, the average of two competing proposals over length...) < 1355431543 949942 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :please let this be true < 1355431564 255350 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really hope < 1355431652 413605 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355431652 658545 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@222.122.156.78 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355431652 658624 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355431653 173319 :ineiros!~itniemin@li271-145.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1355431690 900933 :oklofok!~oklopol@agw-sparknet.utu.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355431951 951677 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that vein, why don't we do the same with array indices? http://lua-users.org/lists/lua-l/2006-05/msg00281.html < 1355432158 57330 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's what Wikipedia says < 1355432174 220660 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The choice of 48 bytes was political rather than technical.[5] When the CCITT (now ITU-T) was standardizing ATM, parties from the United States wanted a 64-byte payload because this was felt to be a good compromise in larger payloads optimized for data transmission and shorter payloads optimized for real-time applications like voice; parties from Europe wanted 32-byte payloads because the small size (and < 1355432175 902168 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore short transmission times) simplify voice applications with respect to echo cancellation. Most of the European parties eventually came around to the arguments made by the Americans, but France and a few others held out for a shorter cell length. With 32 bytes, France would have been able to implement an ATM-based voice network with calls from one end of France to the other requiring no echo < 1355432177 806681 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cancellation. 48 bytes (plus 5 header bytes = 53) was chosen as a compromise between the two sides. < 1355432180 661784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that probably increases the chance of it being true < 1355432190 989302 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It even has a reference < 1355432209 183069 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :To conference proceedings, no less < 1355432244 984725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how every component of the web uses a different method for escaping special characters < 1355432251 915619 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-6-4.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355432261 695216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently in CSS you write a backslash followed by however many hex digits you want < 1355432280 939283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to escape a one-byte character, followed by an unescaped letter a-f, you are screwed < 1355432283 753485 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :%5c < 1355432286 590092 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No \&? < 1355432288 186880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can insert a space and the parser will eat the space < 1355432300 935338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently Internet Explorer lets you embed javascript in style sheets < 1355432308 747137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355432309 839861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has \x{6}f < 1355432322 848331 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why would you even want to do that? < 1355432345 545219 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the web is so awful for security < 1355432345 622435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell has \128166\& < 1355432358 830165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this idea that parsers should try their hardest to ignore errors < 1355432366 688329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is awful for security. :-( < 1355432371 157437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make some random guess at the meaning of a malformed document < 1355432373 92197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1355432381 460067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well XHTML tried to change that < 1355432384 960590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see where it ended up… < 1355432386 222966 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you may recall that that's sort of necessary since nobody writes conforming html >_> < 1355432389 406061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are some design principles that can help security, and the web takes basically the opposite designs in most cases < 1355432399 683776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and the reason nobody writes conforming HTML is that browsers accept this nonsense! < 1355432404 38665 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355432408 620118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a vicious cycle that we are pretty much stuck with < 1355432408 758189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Google left the off their homepage to save bandwidth < 1355432408 842010 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a vicious cycle of bullshit < 1355432410 866259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :famously < 1355432416 718833 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're shitting me. < 1355432426 231021 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently they're so large it actually makes a measurable difference < 1355432433 952528 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goddamn < 1355432437 893536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks you can argue Postel's law both ways from a security POV, but won't bother. < 1355432449 283134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the argument in favor? < 1355432455 207697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can check, it's not like the source of Google's homepage is secret < 1355432461 34076 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: so, what does this book say about user agents? because they're the most hilarious web bullshit i'm aware of < 1355432463 727465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I just said I won't bother! < 1355432467 183429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't got there yet < 1355432468 154828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders why google has a still. < 1355432469 27030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: :( :( :( < 1355432479 475936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*G? < 1355432483 246011 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/535.19 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/11.04 Chromium/18.0.1025.151 Chrome/18.0.1025.151 Safari/535.19» < 1355432491 396614 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now the question is, what browser am i actually using < 1355432524 145323 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not Internet Explorer, that's for sure < 1355432527 127612 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and google.com has an here. maybe it's because i'm getting it through spdy and that's more savings than http < 1355432570 993516 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, apparently the newest IE's user agent is «Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 10.6; Windows NT 6.1; Trident/5.0; InfoPath.2; SLCC1; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729; .NET CLR 2.0.50727) 3gpp-gba UNTRUSTED/1.0» < 1355432572 952040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they even have head and body tags and so on. < 1355432574 979040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why. < 1355432591 207116 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Chromium doesn't have that Chromium/foo bit, I guess that's Ubuntu messing about. < 1355432616 296929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "UNTRUSTED/1.0"? < 1355432618 619648 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think those .NET things only show up if you have them installed. < 1355432625 647516 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At least, one would hope so.) < 1355432627 691126 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no idea, i copied it from the internet < 1355432637 95032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also amused it doesn't claim to be WebKit < 1355432646 324755 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still claims to be mozilla though. < 1355432664 924794 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux i686; rv:17.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/17.0 < 1355432678 106922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything claims to be mozilla, that's the web standard way of saying you support frames < 1355432686 596501 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i know. < 1355432697 932427 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though does anyone use frames any more anyway < 1355432698 178331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I should disable Mozilla/ in my user agent. < 1355432698 492797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only browsers didn't support frames any more < 1355432711 93085 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Java's official documentation still does < 1355432722 122679 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fantastic. < 1355432729 922606 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re. UNTRUSTED/1.0, http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/wmlprogramming/message/34420 (requires cookies) < 1355432752 304061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686) AppleWebKit/537.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Ubuntu/12.10 Chromium/22.0.1229.94 Chrome/22.0.1229.94 Safari/537.4 < 1355432788 968847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would IE be displaying something J2ME-related? < 1355432803 652492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355432823 551005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: "requires cookies", really. < 1355432845 741366 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If the J2ME thing is being run inside IE? Or if it just put a IE string in front to look more legitimate < 1355432875 146749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J2ME is used to write applications for very early smartphones < 1355432875 537166 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I debated it for a number of seconds and then figured this channel is one of the few places somebody might complain about it so might as well < 1355432882 311076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pre-iPhone < 1355432887 139702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's used for anything else < 1355432898 142386 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, it doesn't support applets, darn < 1355432901 623376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the fun fact is that I already had 10 cookies from Yahoo! < 1355432908 477026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of my webmail account with them < 1355432915 10244 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the fun fact, there is only one < 1355432928 283870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm more curious as to how you knew :P < 1355432945 149763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he probably has cookies off by default < 1355432948 474462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or set to prompt, like me and Vorpal < 1355432960 446578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems overly unreasonable for Deewiant. < 1355432986 759757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I like using browser settings which reduce the scope for websites to annoy me < 1355432987 735675 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off by default and a Firefox extension with which I can quickly enable them per-site, and temporarily/session cookies only/all. < 1355433003 594475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355433014 836289 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cookie Monster, it seems to be called. < 1355433040 226527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been vaguely considering blocking JS by default for RAM-related reasons recently, though I should probably just enable some swap. < 1355433062 218280 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also run Noscript, Adblock, and Ghostery. I'm like that.) < 1355433084 410303 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My Firefox startup time is like 10x what it is by default.) < 1355433102 722431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You weird Firefox users and your extensions that are worth a damn. < 1355433107 377083 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :We Chrome people don't have problems like that. < 1355433126 470165 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use ghostery and adblock on chrome~ < 1355433126 915060 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've considered forging referers by default but that tends to break things silently so it's a bit too much of a pain. < 1355433135 733783 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: #1 reason I got 16GB of RAM in my new system was so that I can run Firefox nicely. < 1355433148 538612 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I bet it wasn't enough. < 1355433153 537554 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it was! < 1355433155 882010 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't firefox still 32-bit-only though? :< < 1355433159 478865 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I have a referer forger on by default on a few sites < 1355433161 192256 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: No? < 1355433168 940235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I originally installed it for esolangs.org after that hilarious incident with the spam filter < 1355433171 820166 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you remember that? < 1355433174 834832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: IME Chrome's Adblock Plus is really shitty. I still use it, but it's really shitty. < 1355433178 467477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes < 1355433179 253184 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, I enable it on some sites as well, but only manually. I default to normal referers. < 1355433191 196813 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh... right, the no support for 64-bit firefox thing is a windows thing < 1355433198 679274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think referers are the worst thing about HTTP < 1355433198 792457 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hahaha, Windows. < 1355433201 19131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe there are quite a few frameless doclets for javadoc, though. (But the Standard Doclet indeed is still very framy.) < 1355433201 496205 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTTPS Everywhere also breaks some sites, but it gets updated and all and generally works well. < 1355433202 149413 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows amuses me. < 1355433212 942573 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember something about how their JS recompiler was still 32-bit only so 64-bit was slower < 1355433215 828481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am paranoid about opening new tabs before pasting in URLs just in case it leaks the referer or whatever. < 1355433216 457307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that might have changed < 1355433229 838477 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: HTTPS Everywhere is really nice until the day you try to log in with some stupid DNS-redirecting wifi hotspot ;) < 1355433239 265200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you type the address by hand, it doesn't refer, IIRC < 1355433249 681196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: My only experience with HTTPS Everywhere was someone asking someone else to re-enable HTTPS on their site after moving servers because apparently HTTPS Everywhere never, ever forgets that a site supports HTTPS, even if it stops working. < 1355433266 135134 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1355433270 366782 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You can always disable it temporarily. Haven't run into anything that stupid, fortunately. :-P < 1355433271 854126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My desktop is constantly running out of its four gigabytes. :/ :\ :/ :\ -- and it only has two DIMM slots, and 4G DDR2 DIMMs are annoyingly expensive. < 1355433271 928211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also HTTPS is, like, slow. :( < 1355433286 720440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I have 4 gigs too! < 1355433289 212967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Do you have any swap? < 1355433294 329739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355433296 619166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure whether enabling it will make things go smoother or just make the churns even worse. < 1355433304 855755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. They are quite bad. < 1355433307 543190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having hundreds of Chrome tabs is... not very sustainable. < 1355433323 22104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has to open a new window every once in a while because otherwise the tabs get too small to see the favicons. < 1355433325 549419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use SSH for secure connections rather than HTTPS < 1355433341 869100 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want tree-style tabs for chrome :< < 1355433343 375160 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor: You can always disable it temporarily. Haven't run into anything that stupid, fortunately. :-P // it's not enormously difficult to get around, but with hotspots, I've found it easier to just momentarily open Chrome 8-D < 1355433353 83852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if the customisability of Firefox extensions wasn't tied to such a shitty browser. < 1355433379 90288 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, I think the browser's fine. < 1355433391 938076 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You probably have a jillionbyte of RAM. < 1355433392 553177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: From what I recall last time I did it, it drops from 90% used into something like 25% used if I close Chromium, then goes back up to maybe ~60% used if I reopen it and let it open the saved tabs. < 1355433409 664566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also whenever its layouting/styling/text formatting/whatever differs from Chrome I always find Firefox's handling distinctly worse. < 1355433412 647291 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome doesn't even have ctrl-shift-enter and company on the URL bar, only ctrl-enter (IIRC). < 1355433429 169297 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have 8 gigabytes. < 1355433432 691684 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chrome doesn't have /-searching. < 1355433435 834553 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it's fucking worthless. < 1355433438 176615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I often have to mash -2 killall -9 chromium because my computer is frozen as heck. < 1355433443 841315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Then I roepen it and let it restore the tabs. < 1355433456 844067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's nice how killall -9 > killall for Chromium precisely because otherwise you lose the "restore tabs" functionality...) < 1355433460 593718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By nice I mean it sucks) < 1355433469 81781 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the non-shitty browser you're talking about? < 1355433471 776152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes I deliberately kill -9 it before turning the computer off so I can restore the tabs. < 1355433480 220123 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chromium "Private" memory use 2'086'860k, well, that's not so bad. < 1355433485 560148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: um???? You've forgotten axiom 1 of everything: everything sucks < 1355433517 23717 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: That's more than my Firefox's virtual usage < 1355433521 100255 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem is that people look at the memory use of their browser and think that's a good metric. < 1355433524 799133 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's just your attitude < 1355433529 735992 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though your browser WILL run better if it snarfs more memory. < 1355433538 412386 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a trick of actually being able to give it back when somebody else needs it. < 1355433542 478409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Anyway Firefox also rewards kill -9 in the same way. < 1355433556 180619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even moreso, since it supports partial tab restores and even recursive tab restores ("the ineiros method"). < 1355433565 643285 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Kinda. You can always go to about:home to get to the last tabs, no matter how you close it. < 1355433573 123114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, the ineiros method is the best method. < 1355433577 116508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: don't you mean "fnarfs more" < 1355433581 899975 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Nope. < 1355433588 806864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: does he still use it < 1355433589 125490 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is snarfing, it's different. < 1355433598 360642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I haven't asked lately. I will ask now. < 1355433606 953782 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably won't receive a timely answer. < 1355433880 939294 :Gregor!codu@codu.org TOPIC #esoteric :⚣ | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355433939 753764 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suddenly wonder if ⚣.com is free, but feel I shouldn't check it from work. < 1355434015 589987 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks free from here < 1355434036 698690 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welp. Time to build a gay porn empire, I suppose. < 1355434226 496548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I don't know if that character is in any of the scripts of the languages Verizon likes: http://www.verisigninc.com/assets/idn-valid-language-tags.pdf < 1355434232 542842 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason I'd guess "no". < 1355434249 590135 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol Verizon < 1355434255 339487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Verisign. < 1355434256 150442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. < 1355434261 834460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same thing. :p < 1355434264 13415 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, .org has no such restrictions? < 1355434270 966336 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm imagining things. < 1355434277 571533 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :.org is not Verisign, though. < 1355434278 235177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should merge < 1355434286 985309 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, hence why I'm mentioning them. < 1355434293 698302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, so I was right < 1355434301 47677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone at a seminar asked if anyone knew what Verisign did < 1355434303 550485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The org domain registry allows the registration of selected internationalized domain names (IDNs) as second-level domains.[11] For German, Danish, Hungarian, Icelandic, Korean, Latvian, Lithuanian, Polish, and Swedish IDNs this has been possible since 2005. Spanish IDN registrations have been possible since 2007." < 1355434305 329593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said they owned .com and .net < 1355434309 80637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the speaker said .com and .org < 1355434309 236713 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If I can't get ⚣.com, maybe I can get ⚣.org. … the nonprofit of gayness. < 1355434320 394358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you want it at .xxx, obviously < 1355434331 919037 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :⚣.xxx MUST be registered (if possible)? < 1355434339 8199 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way everybody missed that. < 1355434348 678064 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is .xxx even a valid tld? < 1355434371 95904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: unfortunately. < 1355434394 765697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, .xxx does not копирайт, 101домен support Internationalized Domain Names" sad. < 1355434402 822135 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355434410 294951 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where did the cyrillic bits come from. < 1355434414 784333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some kind of a thing. < 1355434428 223903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's that official anti-.xxx thing? < 1355434431 930464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :An RFC or something IIRC. < 1355434438 536323 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, why is everything full of stupid nowadays? I hit two "put stupid stuff programmatically on clipboard when selecting text" websites recently within hours. < 1355434466 467331 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you use anti-stupid browser extensions. Or I do, anyway. < 1355434484 783991 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't use to have to. < 1355434486 899713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it was added recently, amid a /lot/ of controversy < 1355434496 339942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I am under the impression that pretty much all the TLDs that do accept IDNs only whitelist scripts of specific languages, asince nobody likes IDN spoofery stuff. < 1355434502 557200 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing about people yelling about it in the american congress, but still, what < 1355434504 486118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Is there one that specifically blocks that copy nonsense? < 1355434506 377058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be nice. < 1355434513 783258 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Not that I know of. < 1355434520 277332 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noscript handles it fine, of course. < 1355434535 764382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here we go: http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc3675 < 1355434545 681823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sex Considered Dangerous" -- IETF < 1355434552 770770 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i can't find mentifex's domain names listing :( < 1355434568 349375 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1355434578 214294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh mentifex < 1355434596 72918 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mentifex is actually my pastor. < 1355434652 211592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly just about:config dom.event.clipboardevents.enabled -> false would stop that on Firefox. < 1355434662 184106 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dom.event.clipboardevents.enabled lets websites get notifications if the user copies, pastes, or cuts something from a web page, and it lets them know which part of the page had been selected. The emitting of the oncopy, oncut and onpaste events are controlled by this preference." < 1355434677 162826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that even an event < 1355434703 242302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose all those fancy smart document editor things might use it for something. < 1355434714 329830 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those sites that dump their URLs to your clipboard when you paste from them, duh < 1355434735 327185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it fires every time I select something, since selection equals copying. < 1355434781 206666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the solution is to use dillo2. < 1355434781 863121 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Our department-internal wiki opens the "edit" page if I doubleclick on anything, which is annoying because I use it for selecting words. < 1355434783 865286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it even does CSS now? < 1355434788 743894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ugh I hate that too < 1355434800 889211 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a MoinMoin or something. < 1355434802 680545 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ugh, I've experienced that kind of Wiki. < 1355434844 108778 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Atlassian Confluence flips the sidebar open and closed every time I press the Windows key, i.e. every time I switch from the workspace. < 1355434856 948324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, #esoteric's opinions on the recently discovered fact that any web page open in IE can determine where your mouse cursor is, regardless of whether the cursor is interacting with IE (or even whether IE's minimized)? < 1355434875 815320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that sounds theoretically bad but practically harmless < 1355434876 572313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: lol IE < 1355434898 788060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the worst exploit I've heard of is reading presses into onscreen keyboards < 1355434904 968662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*from < 1355434907 1754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, hmm < 1355434914 297682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct both ways but you need to parse it differently < 1355434926 370974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric's opinion on that zero-day Samsung SmartTV thing that reportedly lets other people look/listen into your living room through the for-Skype-and-such webcam and mic? < 1355434935 984635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe without 1984 jokes.) < 1355434950 283296 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355434951 673259 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: lol… shit, products I actually vaguely care about :( < 1355434966 954349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's hilarious that TVs have got smart enough that that mistake can even exist < 1355434978 13290 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also people have been doing that with computer webcams for ages, haven't they? < 1355434982 647363 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/smart/loaded with useless features/ < 1355434985 868370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they sure have. < 1355434991 380234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "please place your Mac near hot steam" incident was hilarious too < 1355435009 121900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Back Orifice had camera/microphone commands for spying, IIRC. < 1355435017 656173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The solution is to use Linux so that your webcam does not actually work in the first place. < 1355435026 407213 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this was at the very least a decade ago. Probably 15 years. < 1355435033 539260 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Tragically, they recently added support for virtually every webcam there is to Linux. < 1355435035 620467 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it probably works. < 1355435037 652696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that ~anyone had a camera, though. < 1355435039 92153 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, they have, which is why most newer built-in webcams on laptops have lights that are linked in hardware so that all recording turns on the light < 1355435078 266641 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : also apparently Internet Explorer lets you embed javascript in style sheets <-- FLAT WHAT < 1355435080 3677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put ductape on the camera < 1355435082 317280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I vaguely recall that story about school giving out laptops to students, then using the webcams for peepery, and answering questions about that webcam LED that "it's just some random bug, just ignore it". < 1355435090 596494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was not very flat/. < 1355435114 318246 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAT ELLIOTT < 1355435134 119205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robbins_v._Lower_Merion_School_District "Students were particularly troubled by the momentary flickering of their webcams' green activation lights, which several students reported would periodically turn on when the camera wasn't in use, signaling that the webcam had been turned on.[8][22][24][47] Student Katerina Perech recalled: "It was just really creepy."[24] ... < 1355435139 948691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and it interacts with that escaping too < 1355435140 608315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Some school officials reportedly denied that it was anything other than a technical glitch, and offered to have the laptops examined if students were concerned." < 1355435143 691463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that story. < 1355435153 95666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what, exactly, they were thinking. < 1355435159 676293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can write "color: expression\028 alert \028 1 \029 \029" < 1355435165 600530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The suit alleged that, in what was dubbed the "WebcamGate" scandal" please kill me < 1355435191 558870 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scandals_with_%22-gate%22_suffix < 1355435200 856839 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the US really needs to get its shit together, wrt naming shit < 1355435207 466389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: wow holy shit that's creepy < 1355435209 808029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Ooh, Chisugate is there. < 1355435211 268278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the kid was actually disciplined for. Give me my details Wikipedia!!!! < 1355435219 913327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Though as a redlink. < 1355435223 593143 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Another "please kill me" type thing. < 1355435227 47291 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least IMO. < 1355435236 840006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, there is a "gategate" < 1355435253 198609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I heard about that Finnish piracy thing < 1355435257 133776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that it had become a -gate < 1355435266 293275 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB9JgxhXW5w < 1355435282 196050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Flakegate – Photographs of the wedding reception of TV presenter Anthea Turner was used to promote Cadbury's new chocolate bar, Snowflake despite being paid £450,000 by OK! magazine for the exclusive deal of the wedding itself. The publicity stunt was widely criticised by tabloid press and further damaged her career, which has yet to recover." < 1355435285 579056 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION kills elliott (ElliottGate) < 1355435287 154575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these gates are really bad < 1355435293 780390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't really bother following it. I think they just paid half of what was demanded in the end, or something? < 1355435308 249873 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :widely criticised by the tabloid press < 1355435320 929309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fajitagate" < 1355435326 444386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Horsegate" < 1355435331 275160 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*everything* is criticised by the tabloids, including other tabloids < 1355435340 643592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION anticipates "Irrigate" < 1355435341 579945 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355435353 998263 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Billygate": what, no gruff? < 1355435368 992862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pardongate" < 1355435374 685119 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, does the british phone hacking thing have a -gate < 1355435378 17332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PolarBeargate" THAT'S CHEATING < 1355435383 393680 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355435413 75849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Hackgate? < 1355435416 676373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heimdalsgate like a promethean curse < 1355435424 128716 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: oh, yeah. :( < 1355435448 792799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc++ < 1355435460 570315 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's a swedish "gategate", which was named as such.. because it happened near a faregate < 1355435463 469471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got to the "in popular culture" section but I didn't realise until I read a few. < 1355435472 377081 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This webcam thing is bonkers < 1355435479 622437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly a sad indictment of our -gateing times < 1355435486 339994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-gating? < 1355435496 538071 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :suffixgate < 1355435536 191734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shm-reduplicationgate, shm-reduplicationgate < 1355435550 633337 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :xorgate < 1355435580 994700 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...not sure what kind of scandal would mandate such a name, though < 1355435646 367157 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguing over whether it should be eXclusive OR or EOR < 1355435646 814064 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-gate-gate < 1355435662 946850 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gardengate < 1355435677 214426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gaitgate < 1355435697 366659 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :EOR sounds like Eeyore < 1355435703 281006 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I assume they deliberately haven't revealed what the kid was "disciplined" for? Child privacy &c < 1355435724 564093 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fri-gate < 1355435770 598829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :privacygate < 1355435857 738432 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the most outrageous thing about the webcam lawsuit is the school crying innocence and how they're going to fight these ~~horrible accusations~~ < 1355435959 663466 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my computer's built-in webcam has a physical shutter on it. seems like an obvious anti-1337cyberhacker measure but apparently not? < 1355435980 728344 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm, does the british phone hacking thing have a -gate < 1355435995 568036 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've only ever heard it referred to as 'the phone hacking scandal' or somesuch. < 1355436006 321714 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355436011 854452 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well since fizzie mentioned it i remembered that i've heard it called "hackgate" < 1355436020 699254 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is kind of weird because i've never seen it in the american media, but oh well. < 1355436024 298878 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355436048 338926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The allegedly secure parser implementation included in [RFC 4627] unintentionally permits rogue JSON responses to freely increment or decrement any program variables that happen to consist solely of the letters a, e, f, l, n, r, s, t, u, plus digits' < 1355436056 982045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1355436118 931726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: link? < 1355436127 327927 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow, I don't think I've ever seen a webcam with a physical shutter < 1355436138 740909 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, you're right < 1355436148 78671 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a piece of plastic. < 1355436152 609697 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: link me too, I want to see this in action < 1355436152 912201 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A JSON text can be safely passed into JavaScript's eval() function if all the characters not enclosed in strings are in the set of characters that form JSON tokens." < 1355436167 266184 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1355436170 699475 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :/[^,:{}\[\]0-9.\-+Eaeflnr-u \n\r\t]/ is one of the regexes < 1355436175 924678 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1355436180 742549 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I guess this allows you to do stuff like {"foo": e++} < 1355436198 950233 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FLAT WHAT < 1355436221 275823 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would hope that anyone remotely versed in security would know that sanitizing with a regex probably isn't adequate < 1355436246 937252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh that's a quote from a dead tree book < 1355436257 447657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah also < 1355436258 544281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flat what < 1355436262 525765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't quite understand why you aren't allowed, e.g. z < 1355436263 414650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why are our whats flat today?) < 1355436274 89918 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: books don't exist < 1355436278 673870 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone let all the air out of them < 1355436285 539840 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: because z isn't in any json token, i guess? < 1355436297 203678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what json tokens have those letters even < 1355436330 471654 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which token has z < 1355436341 509780 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's true and false < 1355436346 30936 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The tokens apat from strings are true, false, null and numbers < 1355436350 333737 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart* < 1355436364 798887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The school elected to enable TheftTrack to allow school district employees to secretly and remotely activate a tiny camera webcam embedded in the student's laptop, above the laptop's screen.[17][25][26][27] That allowed school officials to secretly take photos through the webcam, of whatever was in front of it and in its line of sight" < 1355436369 792736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does this article explain how a webcam works < 1355436382 26744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, This is so weird, I randomly have Portal in my steam collection. I never bought it. And the payment history on Steam doesn't list it. Note that I don't object to this. It is just totally weird. < 1355436410 759541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe someone gifted it to you or something < 1355436431 672711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think anyone knows my steam user name, it is not like I use the "friend list" feature of steam < 1355436678 514915 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1355436719 187597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sanitizing with a regex can work if you have a sufficiently well-defined acceptable input < 1355436768 5742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my colleagues is working on a system which regexes the I/O of a hardware subsystem to prevent non-accepted inputs < 1355436813 336884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, regex comparison is how we even compare the systems to validate them < 1355436821 637774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(regexes have the nice property of actually being comparable) < 1355436830 438147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unlike things like functions) < 1355436860 798593 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I doubt PCRE is comparable, even if you exclude the "invoke external code to match this" feature < 1355436872 700439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, mathematical regular expressions < 1355436875 405606 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCRE is an interesting point < 1355436886 952636 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was the Portal Ghost. < 1355436889 277003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, math regex are comparable < 1355436892 137526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what computational class it is < 1355436895 566797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sub-TC, but super-PDA < 1355436906 288460 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do CFGs with backreferences, right? < 1355436908 932029 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I recall it being free to grab for a couple of days once < 1355436920 2710 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might've grabbed it then < 1355436933 960192 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was free to grab, yes. < 1355436939 733436 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grubbed it then. < 1355436973 318712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was maybe a year and a bit ago. < 1355437005 332332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, recently? I haven't used steam for all that long, maybe a year or a bit more than that < 1355437015 739014 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and this thing must have happened fairly recently < 1355437018 858303 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was a bit more than a year ago :P < 1355437040 939580 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't have more than a couple of games until a few months back when I added in all the humble bundles < 1355437046 921739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that doesn't make any sense < 1355437069 321582 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_id=809842 claims that they're at most LBA < 1355437117 730891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, obviously they're LBA < 1355437125 441071 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :September 2011, I'd say. Though maybe they did something Portal-related more recently too? < 1355437203 488424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who already had Portal 2 got a 75% discount coupon for Portal 2, at least. < 1355437228 329653 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For a limited time.) < 1355437249 863549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JScript.Encode "The encoding is a simple polyalphabetic substitution using three alphabets." < 1355437252 887500 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1355437272 376162 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: everyone who had Portal 2 got a discount for Portal 2? This seems useful. < 1355437276 149641 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol, obfuscated code? < 1355437319 779730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: that post is busy trying to invent Thue < 1355437322 649983 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not getting there < 1355437329 721374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gets close though < 1355437392 192881 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Weaknesses: it is busted open wide enough to drive a double-decker bus through" < 1355437501 255350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Just on the off chance you had friends you could inflict Portal 2 on. < 1355437528 312213 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1355437540 798279 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have Portal 2 or very many friends < 1355437562 450580 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I heard of something like that camera thing quite a while ago. < 1355437567 554352 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ugh December < 1355437583 432354 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: the camera thing *was* a while ago, so may be the same thing! < 1355437613 801315 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably, then. < 1355437881 418880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume (well, hope) that the engineers implementing JScript.Encode knew how worthless it is < 1355437882 340871 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355437902 4781 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"*shrug*, if management say so..." < 1355437908 562048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/ so few single-core systems nowadays. < 1355437911 349155 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever keeps the suits happy < 1355437911 742467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a feature to appease the same kind of people who install a right click handler that pops up a dialog saying 'COPYRIGHT PROTECTED!!!' < 1355437921 103757 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: YES < 1355437957 961438 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting documentary bout some philosophical implications of gödels theorems: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgZ_9gQfitc&list=UUpBJxyp3T3GY1UExToSveRQ&index=5 < 1355437961 411541 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"haha u cant copy my pictures" < 1355437994 542725 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My brother said he has been able to copy such pictures by dragging them into the location bar. < 1355438018 340170 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: i think this guy needs to work on his intonation a bit < 1355438020 90512 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have very little clue what you're talking about with JSON/Javascript. Did I miss some part of it from before I showed up? < 1355438025 14223 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elocution, there's the word. < 1355438027 372331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i don't think the "suits" have to be idiots either < 1355438031 327413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just know what will make customers happy < 1355438047 21705 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: it's not that bad. gibe it a chance < 1355438068 121252 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or not < 1355438087 503885 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus apparently he's reading a godel paper? < 1355438092 907479 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oh, I didn't think of that one < 1355438093 64162 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case i could just read tha paper < 1355438098 946171 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355438103 801431 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I got that Steam "Big Picture" thing on. They must've released it. < 1355438115 893492 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Using video where text would do is gonna be the death of the internet -_- < 1355438124 374658 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's not only quting gödel but.. sure you could do this < 1355438134 892555 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen programming tutorials done in video. FLAT WHAT < 1355438186 607899 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i kind of liked the game-of-life in J video i saw once. but that's because seeing it in the REPL helped somehow < 1355438192 862512 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not based on his work. this guy just put some quotes and pics and dramatical music ;) into what we probably call a documentary < 1355438312 453326 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this should me informative but also entertaining.. giving you some points to start a further investigation < 1355438323 269596 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if interersted < 1355438600 933317 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hey, I got that Steam "Big Picture" thing on. They must've released it. <-- yeah it showed up like last week or so < 1355438748 252377 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(especially l love this background with the lemmings juming off the clip :) < 1355438923 109714 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Valve's Jeri Ellsworth has told Engadget that public beta testing of Steam hardware could begin next year, saying that the goal of Valve's hardware efforts is "to make Steam games more fun to play in your living room." --" Yes, that sounds like something they want the Big Picture mode too. < 1355438941 829973 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that tool to put cd images onto USB drives? < 1355438946 356601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot the name of it < 1355438951 568442 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see too much using video where text should do. < 1355438957 761812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: UNetbootin? < 1355438960 840730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1355438971 630293 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :now to find a large enough USB stick... < 1355438974 259561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it's kind of a silly name.) < 1355439066 693928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unetbootin?" "No, I'm USBootin." < 1355439095 183241 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: next time it'll be plain text i promise < 1355439143 254049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian or xubuntu? Which is best if you want the least hassle over time, I don't mind a slightly more annoying installer as long as it doesn't throw crap at me like modern ubuntu, or becomes a pain once I want to upgrade a year or two down the line. < 1355439178 368074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it is going on top of an existing md raid & lvm2 setup < 1355439316 209230 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, fizzie ^ < 1355439336 933160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Debian's installer will be able to set up RAID/LVM2 if you ask it for an advanced install. < 1355439340 535971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xubuntu's, unlikely. < 1355439350 972013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that is a plus for debian certainly < 1355439363 970266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't used Debian or Xubuntu in a while. < 1355439367 47763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, basically I need to reuse the existing /home, which is already on top of existing raid and lvm2 < 1355439381 683396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to repartition the whole thing < 1355439399 863147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ubuntu "alternative install" thing can/could do raid/lvm2. I haven't had that particular use case, but I would think it wakes up md and lvm2 volumes and all that. < 1355439407 585926 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1355439408 666867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the alternative install just debian's installer < 1355439410 931991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it even still exist < 1355439420 661465 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is an alternative installer download at least < 1355439422 447907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i don't like xfce < 1355439434 743211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what about throwing crap at me? Does modern xubuntu suffer from that as well? < 1355439445 920635 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about other stuff, I haven't used debian for ages < 1355439448 484923 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's at least very similar to installing Debian. Or was. I haven't installed an Ubuntu in the last two years, I'd guess. < 1355439459 74941 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still have a nonfree repo? < 1355439461 355762 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: where can I get bashgopher? < 1355439574 424694 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, for debian, should I go for testing? < 1355439632 371112 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh I guess so < 1355439645 896030 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran testing on my desktop, I think. I don't really know how recommended it is, but it's certainly not very unstable. < 1355439651 155807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even unstable is not all that unstable. < 1355439660 416083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355439679 876613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you might prefer unstable < 1355439683 418276 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, unstable is the one that behaves like rolling updates (like arch), right? < 1355439684 217668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found testing usually behind what I wanted < 1355439689 276317 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1355439697 600710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is "experimental" which is the actually breaks-your-system debian < 1355439704 735309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so unstable isn't necessarily unstable < 1355439722 617522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, mostly I want something that takes zero effort to maintain and update once the initial setup is done. < 1355439737 584032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things do propagate "automatically" into testing. Though sometimes it lags a lot when there are bugs that don't seem to get fixed and dependencies pile up. < 1355439740 45110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay well that is called not linux < 1355439743 602819 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to have to do complicated manual stuff just to update glibc because stuff changed or whatever (glares at arch) < 1355439744 630434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try os x or maybe windows < 1355439749 316795 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1355439774 973437 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about android. If you go with stock firmware it behaves like that < 1355439781 986717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might go with Debian if I were to install something today. I went with Ubuntu because I was all "I'll be all modern desktop Linux for once", and now I'm running XMonad in Gnome 3. < 1355439784 41472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't work on a desktop though < 1355439795 138668 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, xmonad in gnome? < 1355439795 694094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels a bit silly in an Ubuntu. < 1355439797 157825 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1355439801 114210 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1355439805 493877 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that work < 1355439812 181411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally speaking just fine. < 1355439816 432516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it's "xmonad" :( < 1355439827 687543 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*FIzzie < 1355439857 507390 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose so, it's just that all the modules are named XMonad. < 1355439859 600672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: http://zzo38computer.org/prog/bashgopher/bashgopher There may be some wrong thing for MinGW so you might need to fix it; possibly also it won't handle wildcards properly. If it is fixed it does work on Linux I have tested it; but, I don't have that copy on here < 1355439880 473964 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote elliott, mostly I want something that takes zero effort to maintain and update once the initial setup is done. okay well that is called not linux < 1355439888 391726 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :866) elliott, mostly I want something that takes zero effort to maintain and update once the initial setup is done. okay well that is called not linux < 1355439893 602026 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, :P < 1355439901 262870 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yay thanks < 1355439907 779520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing is, I have better stuff to do than mess with updates < 1355439930 655736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i have a suggestion < 1355439931 949546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Anyway, the Gnome panel is the only visible gnomeness in this. All the rest is just stuff like nm-applet (bleh) and SSH/etc. key management, and stuff like that. Things that could be configured manually, but would need a bit of fiddling. < 1355439936 746223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then put DOS to avoid messing with updates since it doesn't need all complicated updates. It is also faster than Linux. < 1355439937 634022 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, xubuntu/ubuntu LTS is zero effort for about 2 years. But then it hits you badly < 1355439940 238899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: don't use raid/lvm2 < 1355439943 277821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a simple painless experience < 1355439949 740340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh, that is usually not the issue < 1355439950 761008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree w/ zzo38 install dos < 1355439952 25371 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is easy < 1355439991 996647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can download the DVD file and it will boot on a DVD and then it works. < 1355439992 845497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the issue is that I'm dual booting and often use one OS for a long time then switch back for a couple of months and so on < 1355440001 106242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, which means something like arch is just a pain < 1355440010 39645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A graphical Ubuntu person could tell me what you're supposed to be using to install a piece of software, though? I tried to use Ubuntu Software Center, but it just didn't. < 1355440048 243202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suggest 260 removals" well that doesn't sound terribly good. < 1355440054 341951 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't mind arch if I would be using the system daily, then I could devote a couple of minutes each week to handle messy updates < 1355440065 312615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but all at once after 2-3 months? No thanks < 1355440080 886652 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Actually I know apt-get works too < 1355440139 591589 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, heh ouch < 1355440147 420030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I really like aptitude myself < 1355440217 304302 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude has a nice failure mode where every upgrade results in the suggestion to remove every other package on the system in order to install the upgrades < 1355440233 58600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :aptitude is what I use, and I've gotten reasonably comfortable with its quirks. < 1355440239 584920 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just wonder what you're "supposed" to use. < 1355440243 983843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds apt-get nicer. < 1355440248 714868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to suck but now it doesn't < 1355440263 757925 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I tried to use Ubuntu Software Center to install Skype, and only thing it could find for me were $4 paid articles in Linux magazines talking about Skype. < 1355440267 373313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, oh? It had problems tracking the "installed as deps" flag thingy for me < 1355440268 203377 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: "clsb"? < 1355440306 690765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: It is for MinGW. For UNIX you need to put "clear" in there. There might be other things necessary to fix too. < 1355440323 137364 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might also need to make nc -q -1 since some computers require that too < 1355440353 263715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you don't like ncurses? < 1355440372 820270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I just mean the command-line interface. < 1355440377 58310 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1355440377 760417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who would use the silly ncurses thing? < 1355440396 909587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, aren't the command line interfaces pretty much identical give or take the odd formatting difference? < 1355440404 102942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the same commands and so on < 1355440414 124402 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :except apt-get source, don't think that is in aptitude, is it? < 1355440416 326128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they resolve deps differently etc. < 1355440420 582378 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay < 1355440435 209202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apt-get source" isn't in aptitude; "aptitude search" or "aptitude show" isn't in apt-get that I know of. < 1355440451 8756 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, apt-cache? < 1355440458 884726 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Porbably you could be using that instead. < 1355440479 362161 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit more focused on actual package thinging than browsing. < 1355440484 320418 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355440484 393290 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355440484 393440 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355440517 14158 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: bashgopher is not really sophisticated so many things don't work; you can only have one open at a time, the history won't work, so on; but it can be used and does work for what I have tried, and it is not so good for download either. I also wrote Visgopher which is more sophisticated but it is for Windows. I may later write one UNIX program better than bashgopher, though. < 1355440519 864338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, anyway I kind of like the ncurses interface in aptitude < 1355440523 796383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case I don't think apt-get or aptitude either is the thing I'm "supposed" to use. < 1355440525 296389 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a bit wonky yes < 1355440535 613873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but eh, it is fully usablke < 1355440537 692659 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :usable* < 1355440551 500741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I suspect the software store thingy < 1355440560 256713 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Are you sure? I think Ubuntu is designed to make it work regardless which you used. < 1355440560 905739 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I couldn't even install Skype with it. < 1355440561 62192 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I get a blank screen with "0/0" at the bottom when connecting to you < 1355440569 232223 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could get in through telnet though < 1355440573 619692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: It is possible you need nc -q -1 < 1355440576 281244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I would think Skype is something you are supposed to be able to install. < 1355440576 613137 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm going to run into grub 2 nowdays? < 1355440580 887766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some computers require nc -q -1 < 1355440583 202284 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I changed all the nc's to that < 1355440583 281389 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355440589 493518 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but still no worky :-( < 1355440624 75134 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm, couldn't install why? < 1355440626 450401 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may use it as a base to try and get a lua gopher client working though so thanks anyway :-) < 1355440630 120873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember what else is wrong, but maybe you can find them. < 1355440646 468652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Because "only thing it could find for me were $4 paid articles in Linux magazines talking about Skype." < 1355440648 554118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how annoying is switching up from testing to unstable, or the other way around? < 1355440650 644796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the user interface is not properly documented. < 1355440660 188496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case I go with testing but end up wanting unstable? < 1355440660 263613 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :documentation is for weenies ;-o < 1355440669 156345 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have Wine you could try Visgopher if you want to and see if it work. < 1355440671 645771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ouch < 1355440694 948172 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I managed to get skype on Ubuntu I think. Don't recall any issues... :-/ < 1355440707 313132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Did you install it with Ubuntu Software Center? < 1355440718 583122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I did just "aptitude install skype" and it worked perfectly. < 1355440719 550451 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a while back, sorry < 1355440738 630118 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Going from testing to unstable sounds reasonably likely to work well, since it'd just be updating some packages. < 1355440745 268673 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1355440747 958381 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should hire a goldfish to remember things for me < 1355440759 913458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and downgrading can run into the usual problems I guess < 1355440788 489969 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, if only NixOS was less experimental and had wider software support :/ < 1355440800 410051 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :befungeOS for he win < 1355440803 554613 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1355440804 331848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I would call nixos low-maintanence < 1355440807 548633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It certainly sounds a bit more iffy that way. I'm not sure if I've tried either switch. Though I did run a testing once that had quite a lot of stuff pulled in from unstable; you can just add sources for both and do pinning and so on. < 1355440807 899211 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't type today < 1355440812 195779 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you do write it in Lua you can make it public too if you like it I want to see that too make available. < 1355440820 754160 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, true, but I attribute part of that to the experimental status < 1355440823 28747 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall! < 1355440879 814536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm what about the backports repo thingy? < 1355440925 912268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://askubuntu.com/questions/211868/why-wont-skype-install -- seems I'm not the only person who hit that. < 1355440956 259342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apt-get install lib32stdc++ and dpkg -i some random Skype .deb from somewhere" doesn't sound like the best workaround. < 1355440967 149613 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355440969 418654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And I did have the "Canonical partners" stuff enabled.) < 1355441023 644371 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma libstd < 1355441023 990179 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :libstd has a karma of 1 < 1355441026 542876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma libstdc < 1355441027 363880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that issue just sounds like someone without the partners repo < 1355441027 435466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :libstdc has a karma of 17 < 1355441030 507600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma lib32stdc < 1355441031 101486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lib32stdc has a karma of 1 < 1355441069 898342 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma C < 1355441070 536917 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has a karma of 1 < 1355441081 275872 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it doesn't run off foo++ < 1355441087 319737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma foo < 1355441087 968027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo has a karma of 1 < 1355441092 847652 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@help karma < 1355441093 261759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma . Return a person's karma value < 1355441095 18101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c/c < 1355441095 579831 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/c has a karma of 347 < 1355441103 245052 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo-- < 1355441104 488712 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma foo < 1355441105 44053 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo has a karma of 0 < 1355441108 52647 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm! < 1355441113 993059 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma CPressey < 1355441114 237322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CPressey has a karma of 0 < 1355441117 960858 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouuuuuh < 1355441123 25367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-- is a popular intermediate language in #haskell < 1355441124 197043 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ has been mentioned about a million times surely < 1355441128 782990 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhh < 1355441135 480882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But that's not the reason.) < 1355441149 995857 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma c/c < 1355441150 152029 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c/c has a karma of 347 < 1355441174 451537 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1355441175 359521 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone remember what you need to pass to tar to make it properly handle special files, like block devices, pipes, unix sockets and so on? < 1355441177 186451 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't really know about the backports repo. Do they have those for things other than stable nowadays? < 1355441180 745456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma i < 1355441180 851964 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i has a karma of 20 < 1355441183 109429 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't find it in --help < 1355441186 904932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not too many increments. < 1355441212 930773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @show @karma-all < 1355441213 512229 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : " \"nobody\" 2000\n \"C/C\" 347\n \"(\" 138\n \"+\" 109\n \"G\" 100\n \"shachaf\" 48\n \"dmwit\" < 1355441213 914690 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 38\n \"libc\" 36\n \"##c\" 35\n \"\\\"C\" 31\n \"monochrom\" 31\n \"Notepad\" 31\n \"clang\" 30\n \" < 1355441213 986432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott\" 29\n \"#c\" 24\n \"Cale\" 24\n \"lambdabot\" 24\n \"i\" 20\n \"Jafet\" 20\n \"bonnie\" < 1355441213 986598 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19\n \"ObjC\" 18\n \"rwbarton\" 18\n \"sixthgear\" 18\n \"DevC\" 17\n \"edwardk\" 17\n \"ion\" 17\n \"libstdc\ < 1355441213 986709 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :" 17\n \"byorgey\" 16\n \"vc\" 16\n \"cmccann\" 15\n \"elpolilla\" 15\n \"mauke\" 15\n \"shachef\" 15\ < 1355441215 528521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[289 @more lines] < 1355441221 673761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...That didn't help. < 1355441229 982984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :karma i' < 1355441233 725536 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @read @run reverse @show @karma-all < 1355441235 781444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma i' < 1355441235 973334 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Prelude.read: no parse < 1355441236 216220 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i' has a karma of 0 < 1355441241 232405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run reverse @show @karma-all < 1355441243 471391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\n3282- \"<\" \n6762- \"sekahsklim\" \n377- ... < 1355441250 914488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run unlines . reverse . lines @show @karma-all < 1355441252 883132 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Base.String' < 1355441253 195301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual typ... < 1355441253 870568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:25:13 @karma CPressey < 1355441260 212930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma catseye < 1355441260 369143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye has a karma of 0 < 1355441260 721218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@@ @run (unlines . reverse . lines) @show @karma-all < 1355441261 951569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma ZOMGMODULES < 1355441263 506553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : " \"<\" -2823\n \"milkshakes\" -2676\n \"-\" ... < 1355441263 604224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES has a karma of 0 < 1355441265 96803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1355441269 170104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have i really not ++'d cpressey at some point < 1355441281 531650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1355441282 753016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey++ < 1355441284 199736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye++ < 1355441286 393407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES++ < 1355441411 319160 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355441448 765972 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone here hates milkshakes? < 1355441481 134185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, no? I'm indifferent to them < 1355441483 264070 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355441491 925520 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma milkshakes < 1355441492 470928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :milkshakes has a karma of -2676 < 1355441495 709067 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-/ < 1355441495 796022 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355441532 916392 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :milkshakes++ < 1355441535 312221 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like them :> < 1355441536 828769 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, night < 1355441748 342521 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES++ < 1355441802 241201 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma ZOMGMODULES < 1355441802 948521 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZOMGMODULES has a karma of 2 < 1355441812 359574 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :massive karma < 1355442024 977335 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the next life he'll probably be a giraffe or something < 1355442043 446803 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot++ < 1355442044 405545 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: " it is agile." unlambda: your functional programming language with first class subset/ quotient types? couldn't you explicitly dispatch on that? i'm using in conjure is fnord/ orca. the intention is to make a web site < 1355442049 734859 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :he will be django? what a fate :( < 1355442056 509975 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fungot deserved that one from earlier) < 1355442057 183278 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: as for the 0.0 in operator position, i'm still highly motivated ( perhaps too little) more than the solution that worked for me < 1355442109 813165 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.0 in operator position, you say < 1355442181 435048 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1355442181 776298 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1355442196 532631 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ff7 < 1355442196 845004 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ff7 (Full script of the game Final Fantasy VII) < 1355442206 728667 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: is a quotient type like a quotient set? < 1355442207 149917 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what is it...... < 1355442249 317064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a confused style. < 1355442262 295386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Just guess if you don't know. < 1355442262 819247 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: umm.... thump... pound.... mi... ti... la... do this!? < 1355442283 138208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: ...not quite. < 1355442283 528599 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and that sephiroth's here, cloud? < 1355442297 180849 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like there's a joke about ellipses to be made here, fungot. < 1355442297 571778 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: really! ...sniff... you!? are the preparations going? she died. < 1355442309 898993 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or the translatioin's quality. < 1355442331 719276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall quite a lot of ellipses in the game. < 1355442336 497295 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot... < 1355442336 873738 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: the letter... what are we...? you just look a little longer! here! < 1355442345 512454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you actually played FF7? < 1355442345 918676 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: a battlefield, we wouldn't have come to the end! < 1355442355 679959 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355442365 297539 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where do you even get a full script of ff7 < 1355442366 338507 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait,what is fungot style? < 1355442366 778403 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: sorry to keep you company... < 1355442373 473236 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that's fine. < 1355442378 434605 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1355442378 849029 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1355442383 973984 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh my. < 1355442387 692104 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As suspected. < 1355442403 138056 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a somewhat small dataset. < 1355442404 879642 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, would you call Cloud "whiny"? < 1355442405 432670 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i just wrote :p ( what was i thinking there.... :d sorry, i have no information. he seemed, in fine, i can verify it < 1355442420 843445 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a bit of a self-reinforcing style, I would guess. < 1355442443 44456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't been re-estimated ever. < 1355442461 430648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be more interesting if I kept it more up to date. < 1355442472 105404 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How old is this style already? < 1355442472 495767 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: am i that much bad. take up, boy; open't. so, now go with, do miscarrie, thou had'st bin resolute pompey < 1355442511 804179 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite often you can guesstimate the source style. < 1355442543 976737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add Shakespeare style. < 1355442550 891094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style ss < 1355442551 156644 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: ss (Shakespeare's writings) < 1355442552 45786 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :done. < 1355442554 145451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx for the suggestion < 1355442554 669229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1355442569 822932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also add style of the recordings of the Dungeons&Dragons game. < 1355442585 258331 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's equivalent (FSVO; asymptotically speaking; discounting non-babble; with many assumptions) to a straightforward weighted interpolation of the styles. < 1355442622 125819 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also add the Christmas style. < 1355442627 178040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are thee recordings? < 1355442630 867125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :These. < 1355442640 56499 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is style pa quotations from all across Pennsylvania? < 1355442666 754559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: One is, the one I wrote in my computer. But you need convert from TeX into unformatted if you want to use this one. < 1355442675 803307 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Not quite. < 1355442681 317829 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style pa < 1355442681 713153 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: pa (around 1200 transcribed Penny Arcade comics) < 1355442691 340824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: How's it going? < 1355442691 468884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Yes. < 1355442692 249179 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i thought i was goldilocks, seeing as you left me alone back there with three fucking bears. you want my advice? in the night. i've still got that paladin on dark iron, i guess natalie portman " sleepwalks" through her role in attack of the stupid name." < 1355442741 324065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I think this one manages to be quite amusing at times, but it's never been very popular. < 1355442750 191456 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Put some effort into it. < 1355442750 719459 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: look out, cacodemons: there's a new mouse in town. don bluth joins forces with id software to spawn the ultimate tail 3: fievel goes to hell. < 1355442755 764901 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355442780 11228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The settings when this was built make it a bit overprone to quote verbatim. < 1355442795 915297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then change it < 1355442803 150277 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i was gonna say, that goldilocks bit sounded like a quote. < 1355442811 384236 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Omstart, more inspiration. < 1355442811 941226 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: right, right. i should probably be at the store. < 1355442821 167090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Sigh. < 1355442824 968132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the problem is its jokes are mainly quotes < 1355442833 531165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Sigh. < 1355442833 913643 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: son, i can't actually see the road anymore. < 1355442851 644553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does mix things up. Sometimes. It's just being uncooperative. < 1355442859 576384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a direct quote too. < 1355442861 966585 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fungot: Reprogram yourself to use less direct quotes. < 1355442878 206603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: And start being case-insensitive. < 1355442878 691084 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: zero, i guess i don't give two shits bout it work at eidos. i had caught them all. < 1355442881 849020 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you not respond when your name is capitalized? < 1355442894 506224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: "Fungot" is not fungot's name. < 1355442895 165155 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: go fuck yourself. final fantasy viii, coming soon to a playstation near us! i just got them at the aucti- chocolate and waffle cones hung in the air, announce that i am forced to express the feelings that i have finally discovered the correct games in the correct sequence to maintain his interest in the genre forever. < 1355442910 488461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kind of picky like that. < 1355442917 151705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fisher < 1355442917 424289 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fisher (Fisher corpus of transcribed telephone conversations) < 1355442934 330866 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it respond to "afungota", say? < 1355442934 803012 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: right and i < 1355442936 952767 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355442961 350033 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: It's just basically a strstr, right? < 1355442962 67921 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah laughter yeah or whichever way the wind is just kind of like < 1355442984 348170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They've annotated some sounds. < 1355442998 224486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably nobody said "laughter" out loud there. < 1355443028 857267 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355443081 517459 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And here I was wondering what kind of quotes you'd get from Fisher Price. Apparently none. < 1355443084 939036 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fungot respond to itself? < 1355443085 691782 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i got so much more advanced but for a professional baseball player like i was the same kind of ah < 1355443104 271079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355443107 246939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Why would it do that? < 1355443109 449394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRC doesn't echo lines back to you < 1355443125 928305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you send it to yourself. < 1355443139 311606 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i've seen bots that do. < 1355443159 924829 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it seems that fungot's befunge-98 standard is better than that. < 1355443160 293086 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ( ( laughter noise noise < 1355443170 498635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1355443170 982320 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: um i i've talked to < 1355443171 786385 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laugh it up, fungot. Laugh. It. Up. < 1355443172 315794 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i just look for the area that's a very good thing to tell your kids not to use < 1355443177 373595 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Fisher_Price ? < 1355443189 714632 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355443243 194290 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1355443374 172793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Less-known fact: fungot is actually a modified Fisher-Price My First IRC Bot. < 1355443374 983242 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: he'll get rich they're entitled to make it legal they had some controversy over this before but i can't really recall anything that i've done < 1355443398 483582 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like lyrics to something < 1355443402 477222 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355443422 700051 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a thorough and descriptive article. < 1355443428 778880 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be hard to get that to scan. < 1355443487 514018 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, speaking of which, maybe a style based on a database of song lyrics? < 1355443512 270148 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scansion is just an oppressive construct imposed by society < 1355443537 461600 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't brave most lyrics sites even for fungot. < 1355443538 49822 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: or wanted to know uh do you wanna start or do you you swing your elbows more or do you have < 1355443592 878493 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355443597 472240 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fact that every site that lists lyrics has the exact same GET IT FOR YOUR CELL PHONE NOW link. < 1355443621 575506 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may have seen a fairly tasteful lyrics site once or twice. < 1355443626 217498 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall that it was purple. < 1355443803 122466 :ssue!u5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-izhfxscffxquhqml JOIN :#esoteric < 1355444121 440054 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-9.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355444439 764469 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lyrics databases are kind of sucky, yes; and not very download-friendly. Very few fungot styles have been made by crawling. < 1355444440 96658 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: are you familiar < 1355444444 497904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Is that a science fact? < 1355444451 207495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Whaddabout that wiki one < 1355444464 672504 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355444472 500952 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the webcomic ones < 1355444493 76301 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiki is from the XML or SQL dump, I forget which one. < 1355444514 474943 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PA and Homestuck are by crawling, though. < 1355444519 530816 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1355444519 853920 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher* fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1355444554 653114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And iwcs and qwantz, I guess, okay. < 1355444566 422457 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :YouTube sort-of. < 1355444595 547301 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are WP doing dumps again? I think it was broke last time I looked < 1355444610 322458 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also Wikipedia isn't Wiki) < 1355444620 168086 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Books are... ahem, well, some books may be of dubious legality. But I didn't read them, I just fed them to the bot! < 1355444663 328107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the only wiki on fungot's list. (Except technically PA is by crawling a Wikia or some other such thing.) < 1355444663 716668 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you know you can't uh you know you < 1355444665 892392 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube having an api to download comments would be kind of funny. < 1355444706 566666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's some material from Project Gutenberg. < 1355444728 259107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(darwin speeches ss.) < 1355444743 130137 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wiki" capitalised is c2 :-) < 1355444755 59538 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with GreyKnight < 1355444778 187694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah schmah, it was a perfectly acceptable shorthand for a person typing on a phone. < 1355444819 655835 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay I'll let you off since your phone (presumably) auto-capitalises the first letter < 1355444822 663478 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just this once! < 1355444848 74596 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was capitalized because sentences start with capital letters. < 1355444862 67275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Add the Gutenberg style on fungot < 1355444862 563104 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: mother and stepfather raised her and she's just turned eighty she uses her f- she has a < 1355444875 598985 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :capital letters at the start of sentences is a weird rule if you think about it < 1355444884 631058 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should be for proper nouns only < 1355444889 801445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 What's the Gutenberg style? Everything in there? < 1355444902 276180 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: It is the rule though, despite that. < 1355444919 592385 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yes, I would guess so, everything public domain ASCII in there, counting, only. < 1355444939 731112 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does gutenberg have non-public domain things? < 1355444941 874917 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw it out! change ALL the rules! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ < 1355445001 262841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'll see if I get around to that. < 1355445034 510108 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also perhaps the Internet style from google-ngram, I think that was on the TODO list too. < 1355445080 33520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's not all of the Internet, it's just billion words from there.) < 1355445118 782645 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you know what would be fun, if a bit annoying to do? download the geocities archive and scrape text from that. < 1355445124 451339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:21:32 Wiki is from the XML or SQL dump, I forget which one. < 1355445127 815368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I mean the lyrics wiki thing. < 1355445136 635931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC most of the time it is just "we can't show this because copyrights" though, but maybe they have dumps?? < 1355445142 15687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's a wikia thing or whatever. < 1355445235 328976 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They didn't have dumps when I last checked. Or I couldn't find any. < 1355445261 595337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was looking for a song lyric language model for other reasons. < 1355445280 744611 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then call it google-ngram style < 1355445284 404497 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if anyone wrote a tracker (music tool) in haskell < 1355445288 982683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that is what it is. < 1355445312 700946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :google-ngram style? I hear that song is pretty popular these days. < 1355445316 66487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I tried starting to write CsoundMML in Haskell, but now I am writing CsoundMML in C. There are other music stuff in Haskell < 1355445351 733965 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is it even a song? < 1355445362 808796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think it's Korean. < 1355445385 254747 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: But that wouldn't be a tracker at all < 1355445403 68403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Correct, they aren't, but I don't know of a tracker music in Haskell though. < 1355445462 589657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But maybe someone make CsoundTracker too some day; I have some ideas how it could work directly with Csound score files, using all of its feature (tempo change, repeats, comments, function tables, etc), but I do not intend to write it at this time. < 1355445468 200355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :First I will write CsoundMML < 1355445496 922008 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me < 1355445502 485550 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know bytebeat? < 1355445507 380373 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1355445529 557337 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://canonical.org/~kragen/bytebeat/ < 1355445561 437699 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"new genre of music" < 1355445572 377720 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, these things. they're fun. took a while to figure out how to do it with pulse though. < 1355445579 527074 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O yes I think I have seen thing like that before. < 1355445656 738122 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking this would be trivial to implement in Haskell < 1355445672 725255 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :T R I V I A L < 1355445674 51607 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I pondered a tracker that would allow you to create synths by entering a formula < 1355445689 296252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TRIVIAL < 1355445706 689499 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an rpn parser that does that but didn't write the rest of the tracker < 1355445707 655437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Come on, kmc. < 1355445709 355534 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound can kind of do that, create synths by entering a formula. < 1355445713 422774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you have a fullwidth keyboard layout? < 1355445767 113819 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does kmc hate 'trivial' again < 1355445794 520429 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L A I V I R T < 1355445804 699350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell people use it to mean "our shit is so theoretically awesome that it doesn't matter if it actually works" < 1355445809 104024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know all that engineering is "trivial" < 1355445816 202218 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's just generally a douchebag way to say "easy" < 1355445819 274229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: But if you want to modify other tracker programs for .S3M format or whatever, to allow formula to be entered instead of load a file, you can try to do that. < 1355445824 92221 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well writing a bytebeat thing is trivial in any language < 1355445830 878972 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote trivial < 1355445832 878281 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :144) It's like mathematicians, where the next step up from "trivial" is "open research question". "Nope... No...This problem can't be done AT ALL. This one--maybe, but only with two yaks and a sherpa. ..." \ 173) So it's not exactly trivial. [Later about same thing] It's a trivial C program :P < 1355445838 763967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355445840 168650 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That sounds too hackish < 1355445843 84030 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :144 yo ,o/ < 1355445846 39440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd prefer a new file format < 1355445863 327298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bytebeat stuff is cool < 1355445867 360239 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In mathematics, often it can't be proven that something can't be done either < 1355445878 682185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Is Csound format OK? < 1355445892 629480 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Bits pretty much would do most of the stuff for you < 1355445908 52164 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Does CSound do bitwise operators? < 1355445916 693458 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355445921 971234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes, actually it does. < 1355445922 48909 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of crystal castles < 1355445944 299892 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355445958 794547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless you have to deal with difference of k-rate and a-rate and so on, but many operators work on a-rate, and you can use UDO to change the k-rate to the same as the a-rate if you need to. < 1355445979 488771 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'd be neat to make a parser built into a little hardware thing also takes various audio inputs as extra variables. < 1355445979 645974 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I could do something like t & (t >> 3) and have it output something? < 1355445992 531757 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess I wouldn't really use such a thing much. < 1355446006 530458 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: Someone made a parser that consists of a tiny chip, a battery and an audio jack < 1355446008 616562 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well writing a bytebeat thing is trivial in any language <-- sez you, arithmetic overflow isn't even defined to do that in C, is it? < 1355446009 552654 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it < 1355446012 181384 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355446019 351865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I said most < 1355446030 145015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: It is not quite that simple, and the syntax is not the same as C, but basically I think it would work. < 1355446054 705252 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you use 16/32 bit ints in C, you can just cut off the top bits with &255 every time < 1355446065 263187 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355446084 535630 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm not implementing a bytebeat interpreter in brainfuck < 1355446088 328193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to make it allow to do by a single command, and using the C format, might be possible to make a plugin with such feature. < 1355446093 88283 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hell, I'm not implementing anything in brainfuck. Screw that < 1355446111 779922 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's kind of the idea, though. < 1355446124 587162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be nice to implement some of these using discrete logic chips < 1355446128 70173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF is pretty easy to write in compared to many esolangs < 1355446133 656015 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound plugins can be written in a few different programming languages: C, C++, Lua, Python, and Csound. < 1355446171 415190 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm not going to write in those either < 1355446210 639019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1355446219 97120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems like a decided lack of ambition for this channel < 1355446223 364576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wrote a BF interp in Unlambda once < 1355446226 424687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks out stuff people have done with bytebeat while he wasn't looking at it < 1355446227 298963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, not BF < 1355446228 735072 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P'' < 1355446258 521953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was aiming low < 1355446272 882822 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I have a Csound plugin license under LGPL, so if you have a C code compatible with that, I will make it into an additional command in this Csound plugin. < 1355446381 697323 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably wouldn't be compatible < 1355446487 548061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming language did you write a rpn parser? < 1355446541 980937 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :C < 1355446568 509200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might work. < 1355446574 800463 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's basically one big switch statement with some strcmp mixed in < 1355446586 426045 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an array for a stack < 1355446593 914449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I see what you have then I might be able to work it. < 1355446605 543292 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it would be worth it < 1355446714 314792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION watches some demoscene videos < 1355446746 718751 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to say that the complexity of a demo grows exponentially with size, but it's not so much "exponential" as "faster than any computable function" < 1355446767 457420 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355446800 572928 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's funny because it's true < 1355446828 258368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1355446840 269827 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355446890 17941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i was going to say that the complexity of a demo grows exponentially with size, but it's not so much "exponential" as "faster than any computable function" < 1355446893 818437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :867) i was going to say that the complexity of a demo grows exponentially with size, but it's not so much "exponential" as "faster than any computable function" < 1355446898 52679 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'faster than any computable' function is one of those things that still completely blows my mind < 1355446918 817746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: busy beaver grows like that, doesn't it? < 1355446943 757117 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the joke < 1355447014 920836 :augur!~augur@c-98-218-127-183.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355447063 499679 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ackermann complexity whee < 1355447086 797507 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that one *is* computable actually) < 1355447148 472751 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, wait a minute. I was going to say something about a function using !x, but apparently various calculator thigns aren't parsing ! like I thought they would. < 1355447150 632148 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that are weird for me are the ones that grow slower than any computable (monotonically increasing) function < 1355447176 769244 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: do you mean x! ? < 1355447182 314878 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1355447203 491310 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial is slow compared to ackermann, which is slow compared to bb/goodstein/whatever. < 1355447206 680397 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, hmm, like... 1-1/f(x) where f is supercomputable? < 1355447230 216585 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that works < 1355447274 341844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow, I hadn't realised such a function could exist until now < 1355447284 610465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1355447285 911031 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the one I know is the function creeping up on kolmogorov complexity from underneath (f(x) = min{C(a) such that a >= x}) < 1355447288 629943 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, you what about factorialing a number a number of times equal to its factorial? < 1355447294 658732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going full constructivist and forgetting anything uncomputable even exists < 1355447296 610492 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: nope < 1355447302 860195 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: was my reaction as well < 1355447305 758284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: that's obviously computable < 1355447322 930632 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's primitive recursive, in fact < 1355447328 436974 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :j = n; for (i = 0; i < fact(n); i++) j = fact(j); < 1355447330 438326 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weak! < 1355447334 286155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do non-primitive-recursive total functions exist? < 1355447336 74474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they do < 1355447338 13654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355447340 407654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tons of them < 1355447344 919870 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, that can't be emulated by primitive recursive < 1355447348 579431 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, ackermann? < 1355447356 47413 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the point of ackermann, isn't it...? < 1355447357 775293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: whether a function is primitive recursive is decidable < 1355447360 47367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355447360 769024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether a function is total is not < 1355447365 501387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very difficult :P < 1355447372 202195 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was htinking mroe of comparing it to demo complexity, but I suppose that was already considered. < 1355447372 280744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I like that proof < 1355447392 48259 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: if you could write all total functions primitive recursively, you wouldn't have any need for Turing-complete languages < 1355447401 122553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you'd have a language you can check, and that represents all programs that matter < 1355447405 335248 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we'd live in a bugless fairy utopia! < 1355447423 437360 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, Ackermann is total but not primitive recursive < 1355447433 583955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right < 1355447444 89628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anarchy is going to be total except where marked otherwise < 1355447454 719340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more specifically, the compiler will try to prove totality and give a warning if it can't < 1355447468 552209 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning or error? :o) < 1355447472 43168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, because most algos you'd actually want to write in it are easy to prove total < 1355447481 654175 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: warning, that would be a stupid way to make a language sub-TC < 1355447527 226252 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been writing C++ all week so I was starting to believe pointlessly exasperating errors were a normal language feature, my bad < 1355447571 442265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so it's going to be partial < 1355447575 80841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have a compiler that gives warnings < 1355447583 872098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your stated property has zip to do with the language < 1355447597 599854 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes < 1355447608 977968 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, unless you use -Werror < 1355447628 40500 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: They are to C++, if you use templates < 1355447741 197610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah C++ error messages are usually pretty awful < 1355447744 690217 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends a lot on compiler though < 1355447751 596829 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try clang++ and recent GCC < 1355447779 220845 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah. In my dreams < 1355447793 614168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit < 1355447799 99295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've started writing those bytebeat things again < 1355447805 159519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t*(t>>8))*!((t>>2)%8) < 1355447820 87644 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nigh-unmaintainable mess that only compiles in Borland 4, which is from like 1990+something < 1355447829 604511 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch. < 1355447833 627990 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make a bytebeat thing, fungot. < 1355447834 252778 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: a moot court t._v. laughter unless you had cable or something about religious or not but i i just < 1355447840 570094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomly generating them would be cool < 1355447848 580013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and filtering out the ones that generate really boring stuff like silence or just one tone or whatever < 1355447851 921181 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :._v., is that an arrowhead striking from above < 1355447854 400862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1355447857 189514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/ ) < 1355447861 945205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C++ sucked extra hard back in 1990+something < 1355447870 65519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah replacing that first t with sin(t) makes it significantly more dissonant < 1355447912 218013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm surprised that bytebeat hasn't shown up in ioccc more < 1355447922 485140 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried just shoving randomly generated characters into IBNIZ, but it dind't tend to do much interesting. < 1355447949 90106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ibniz is great < 1355447951 175523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did much the same < 1355447956 876777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the js/c stuff is more accessible though < 1355447969 504406 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ioccc entry: an implementation of RV 425 without using multiplication < 1355447975 842085 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no byte sequence that is an invalid ibniz program :D < 1355447985 347778 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most bytes get ignored though < 1355448008 771074 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's stuff that tries to pull from an empty stack, though. < 1355448020 166509 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or push on too much and do nothing with it. < 1355448062 454104 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Rather than %8 do &7 < 1355448085 662602 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-85-4.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355448118 815922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t*(t>>8))*!((t>>2)%1) produces more manic but visually pleasing results < 1355448139 148135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 708 < 1355448140 920983 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :708) has there been any work towards designing programming languages specifically for stoned people < 1355448170 456723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes ais523 < 1355448174 219551 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31198 < 1355448199 630090 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355448241 351971 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting.. has anybody here prorgrammed with chromes webKitAudioContext? < 1355448260 904284 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t*(t>>7))*!((t>>2)%8) on left channel and (t*(t>>8))*!((t>>2)%7) on right < 1355448266 212615 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :∃ fungot | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355448266 748981 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: oh my gosh that gives you noise goose bumps laughter laughter sigh that's cool noise < 1355448272 682449 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net TOPIC #esoteric :∃ fungot | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1355448277 833535 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes, commands are a thing < 1355448285 93380 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::v < 1355448305 367624 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What? < 1355448309 339042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: cool < 1355448329 974783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: that but with (sin(t)*(t>>8))*!((t>>2)%7) on the right is cool too < 1355448368 362091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, we recently discovered that all the game-semantic models of concurrent Algol were broken < 1355448375 207488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in the sense of being /wrong/ < 1355448381 392811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in the sense of not modelling anything useful < 1355448387 72338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they need a psychic scheduler to work correctly < 1355448427 828565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only implementation I could think of was to, every time multiple threads were trying to perform actions simultaneously, fork off a new scheduler for each possible method of rearranging the order in which the threads act < 1355448438 906142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with each scheduler having its own copies of the threads < 1355448451 841518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: heh < 1355448462 850185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :needless to say, this is not very practical < 1355448465 92058 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :200*sin(t*"herp derp durrrr".charCodeAt((t/1000)%16)) < 1355448476 624033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying to do a hard-realtime total concurrent version of Algol < 1355448484 134038 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :havascript the new punkrock: http://bit.ly/WGzVHo < 1355448484 903941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this involves proving the absence of deadlocks, which is awkward < 1355448587 96775 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a new plan for the finite case (i.e. no flow control at all) < 1355448593 358781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't generalise < 1355448635 7242 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355448642 828454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t>>4)*(sin(t)%32) yikes < 1355448665 690947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, is that an integer %? < 1355448668 196208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so, always 0 < 1355448690 447821 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when it's 1 or -1, which requires luck with floating point rounding < 1355448696 489929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, 1 or -1 times t>>4 < 1355448698 829983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's javascript < 1355448700 191665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the hell knows < 1355448707 168676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/ to see what it actually results in < 1355448725 148355 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 726 < 1355448725 246294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's a floating %, it's a no-op < 1355448730 8095 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :726) bleh, why doesn't tab-complete work in mkdir for the name of the new directory < 1355448732 828024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it has weird behviour on negative numbers < 1355448752 208183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it behaved differently < 1355448760 31086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it might be doing something weird to the floating point rep < 1355448814 975096 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what was the context of 694? < 1355448821 181189 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 694 < 1355448828 418437 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :694) northern ireland is quite a way to drag someone from scotland <-- not really. I just checked in google earth Vorpal: but dragging people across water's a bit tricky < 1355448833 789768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I can't remember < 1355448837 716482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it probably wasn't interesting, given the quote < 1355448841 115125 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THis doens't sound that nice, but made some neat shapes: (t>>4)/(t>>5)*t%(Math.sqrt(t)*10) < 1355448853 396420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, try (t>>3)*cos(t) in 44.1 khz < 1355448867 651867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 8k for that matter < 1355448903 302261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: that's cool < 1355448916 39604 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :JS has a floating % < 1355448922 902270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all numbers in JS are floats < 1355448924 557214 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't appreciate "who the hell knows", JS is a beautiful language < 1355448925 434414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1355448926 635079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is cool < 1355448937 967843 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Then again it also has bitwise ops, which operate on integers :P < 1355448942 282837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355448947 826427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it truncate them first? < 1355448952 347540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: if you think JS is a beautiful language then I have no idea what to say to you < 1355448953 706835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: JS scoping < 1355448955 424701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I do actually < 1355448956 852099 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355448958 914709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hey < 1355448965 775460 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: is JS a beautiful language < 1355448970 287839 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What's wrong with it? < 1355448978 53446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the designers of JS only implemented those scoping rules because they were fast to implement and they were in a hurry to get it out < 1355448986 620679 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :global by default is bad < 1355448991 523563 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>2012 < 1355448992 360971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's wrong with it is that I had to add a bunch of extra lambdas to my code for no obvious reason < 1355448994 377253 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>doesn't even "use strict" < 1355449003 542234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>a person < 1355449005 575196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>talks like this < 1355449007 746735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you use 'var' consistently then you do have lexical scoping which is more than a lot of languages manage < 1355449009 247860 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, more precisely, that there's no such thing as block-local variables < 1355449014 775303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>annoys everyone around them by their really fucking stupid method of communication < 1355449021 297988 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're lucky it didn't look 3>like this < 1355449024 585508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>turns every statement into condescending nonsense < 1355449024 884824 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-also I'll start talking like this if you keep prefixing lines with greater-than signs- < 1355449032 126353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-kmc: you don't, you have function scoping- < 1355449041 131220 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have lexical scoping of functions < 1355449046 169 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "use strict" turns what would make a "global by default" into an error < 1355449046 73173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yeah but they don't nest- < 1355449049 951016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions do < 1355449051 32556 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355449064 746691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-yes but that means you need to add a bunch of junk lambdas to your code for no good reason- < 1355449065 413618 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want {} scoping, use let < 1355449071 58020 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-and if you don't you just get hard-to-debug errors- < 1355449072 497352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"JS is such a cool language that you have to arbitrarily forbid large swathes of its semantics for it to not have horrific problems" < 1355449077 487127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly amazing < 1355449080 372734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah < 1355449083 307021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not great < 1355449085 652796 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we doing language wars again < 1355449088 995288 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lost hours to that < 1355449090 573399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's better than a lot of languages manage < 1355449090 651437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all day every day < 1355449095 614711 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depressingly enough < 1355449098 916894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most languages do not screw up lexical scoping < 1355449099 922042 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: So you're essentially saying you don't understand lambdas < 1355449104 892704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355449105 856642 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hope you never find a Lisp derivative < 1355449106 808619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1355449107 881510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1355449108 727848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: I do understand lambdas < 1355449112 266359 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1355449112 773776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please go away < 1355449116 442265 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I work with them < 1355449118 419098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: "for" and "if" and such don't create scopes in JS < 1355449119 867276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure /you/ do, though < 1355449121 350765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a condescending idiot who assumes the worst in people apparently < 1355449125 524859 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: They do if you stick to "let" < 1355449129 323037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a major dunning-kruger complex < 1355449134 990804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't consider this a big deal but yeah basically what elliott said < 1355449154 98018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "let" widely supported? < 1355449167 391021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the major browsers support it < 1355449170 88726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this might exclude IE) < 1355449192 719016 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: BTW is your Algol thing above the same project as: < 1355449195 140235 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 244 < 1355449197 305991 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :244) gah, who'd have thought removing concurrency from algol could be so difficult < 1355449212 266541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 has been compiling idealised concurrent algol to hardware since the beginning of time < 1355449213 845004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wouldn't call JS beautiful, but it is better than one would expect from the historical story of how it came about < 1355449220 402515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: yes < 1355449222 694679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is currently anticipated to never finish performing this task < 1355449231 606461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: nah, we can manage that already < 1355449234 404247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're trying to optimize it now < 1355449254 911929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'd expect better of a language whose origin story is "guy has to make a sort-of-C-like language in N days, tries to make it as much like Scheme" as possible < 1355449263 142576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since generally someone who knows Scheme wouldn't get things like basic scoping wrong < 1355449269 549048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *Scheme as possible" < 1355449275 671519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: he knew it was wrong at the time < 1355449280 272601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just he was too rushed to do it properly < 1355449285 761695 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He tries to scheme as much as possible, got it. < 1355449289 868819 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"// TODO: we'll fix this later" < 1355449292 998327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's that broken < 1355449309 889036 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but whatever < 1355449316 536034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he understood lexical scope well enough to write lexical scope that didn't nest, rather than dynamic scope that did (which is just about as easy) < 1355449318 548501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: turning your example into (t>>4)/(t>>5)*t%(Math.sqrt(t)*100) gives fun results at the start < 1355449322 499721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does nest < 1355449323 460716 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found a comment to that^ effect in some code the other week. It'd been there for about 4 or 5 years < 1355449334 715964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that not all of the constructs you have arbitrarily decided look like they should create scopes do < 1355449368 645720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if you're using C-like braces for grouping, you expect them to scope in a C-like way < 1355449375 41900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh restricting scopes to just functions is pretty ridiculous < 1355449388 63811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since all these constructs look visually identical but do not create new scopes < 1355449399 483743 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which C < 1355449399 686094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's an enormous stroke of luck that javascript was designed by someone who at all understood scoping, or basic functional programming < 1355449406 54903 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't old C pretty much only do function scoping < 1355449411 141438 :Lumpio-!~matti@62-113-182-248.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"All variables at the top or else" < 1355449412 737639 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with curly-brace languages is how they all look the same but actually aren't :-) < 1355449418 917034 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more often than not, these languages end up desigend by people with an irrational fear and misunderstanding of very simple things < 1355449421 966248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see: python < 1355449439 210906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: what, you're saying there's more to a programming language than what kind of punctuation it uses?!?!? < 1355449449 227315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote except python < 1355449450 710408 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355449452 617306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1355449453 655635 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shocking I know! < 1355449457 198089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote python < 1355449461 249758 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :158) syntax is the least important part of a programming language other than Python \ 422) Vorpal: Won't be slower than Python ;-) elliott_, yeah but that is like saying a T-Ford going down a hill won't be slower than a bicycle uphill on a bumpy road :P < 1355449471 449720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: 158 is what I was looking for < 1355449477 328895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355449478 129806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: and ((t-10)>>4)/(t>>5)*t%(Math.sqrt(t>>10)*1000) sounds kind of cool < 1355449480 151145 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the `quote search should check synonyms obviously < 1355449506 105848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I think it shouldn't check synonyms. < 1355449508 119089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only have one major complaint with Python syntax, but it's a pretty big one < 1355449513 543330 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: joke < 1355449526 650973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I lost my first Python program because the whitespace got mangled somehow < 1355449532 16285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, if you have t progressing from 0 to infinity, you can get 0, 1, 2, 3, 0, 1, 2, 3 by t%4 < 1355449541 979447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a nice short way of getting 0, 1, 2, 3, 2, 1, 0, 1, 2, 3, 2, 1, 0, ... < 1355449548 216156 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t>>3)*cos(t) <-- that was the best one for now.. just need to get it less noissy < 1355449551 499446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :0, 1, 2, 3, 3, 2, 1, 0, 0, 1, 2, 3, 3, 2, 1 is fine too < 1355449558 795051 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: BTW you might like this: http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.network.gopher.general/4481 < 1355449583 368779 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really horrorshow < 1355449620 202720 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's obviously the square root that slows things donw, I tried (t>>4)/(t>>5)*t%(Math.sqrt(t%100000)*100) < 1355449633 902544 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Domain name I have is OK < 1355449651 352795 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also messed around with the size of the number after t%. < 1355449665 554038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The broken thing about JavaScript's scoping is that {} doesn't create a new scope? < 1355449680 949022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the claim, yes < 1355449686 974313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks guys you suck < 1355449703 504550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: haha when that exploded half-way through was a nice surprise < 1355449731 416451 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, triangle wave with arithmetic, i dunno... < 1355449732 176308 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but zzo38.gopher would be a cool alternate name B-) < 1355449751 72020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not zzo38, it's his computer < 1355449754 120084 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also dislike the way they make up TLDs like that. < 1355449757 180140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta be zzo38computer < 1355449775 553022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have services on at least two other protocols, and may add more additionally, later on, too. < 1355449836 834260 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, hm, maybe you could do that by fucking with two's complement. < 1355449841 821237 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ICANN are making up TLDs as well now, so. Except selling them for £bignum < 1355449852 434809 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... no i don't think that would work < 1355449874 124456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like ICANN's making up TLDs either < 1355449889 773465 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should just scrap DNS and start over :-/ < 1355449890 451683 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all gone a bit silly < 1355449918 268850 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait for ipv6 to be adopted, give everyone and their mother a stable ip, all problems solved forever < 1355449919 350140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my laptop left Japan this morning (boston time) and is supposed to arrive at my door tomorrow < 1355449921 7401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I have DHCP so maybe the address might change < 1355449941 713205 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. the company Johnson & Johnson put in to own ".baby". Even if we take as read that this TLD should exist, why should they be the ones to own it? < 1355449941 810900 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t>>6|t|t>>(t>>16))*10+((t>>11)&7) < 1355449958 286303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: That's pretty fast. < 1355449960 862972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355449963 176704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you might as ask why ICANN should own everything < 1355449968 327050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Is your door in Boston? Some people have lots of doors.) < 1355449968 416983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the answer is because they were there first < 1355449973 832964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like Johnson & Johnson < 1355449974 614227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1355449975 660681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: timezoneconverter.com has the worst UI < 1355449976 646608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there first with money < 1355449984 410612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the top google hit for "time zone converter" will ever be not that :( < 1355449988 781874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: google "time in $timezone" < 1355449993 173289 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: related: http://xkcd.com/865/ < 1355449995 485619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and stuff < 1355450002 40777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"3 am utc in pdt" etc. works iirc < 1355450002 753246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :useful but i do want to convert times that aren't now < 1355450005 98338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1355450007 99995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That only works for right now. < 1355450010 369342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1355450019 712036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it doesn't actually work < 1355450021 404677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't work here. < 1355450021 895479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but istr a way to do it < 1355450036 698039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: i like that one < 1355450043 598150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wasn't this in one of the videos, it sounds familiar < 1355450053 477040 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1355450061 22997 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it left Anchorage, Alaska like an hour ago < 1355450061 569576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wolframalpha can do it anyway < 1355450074 559486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355450128 482989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about 0,1,2,3,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,3,2,1,0,1 < 1355450132 639720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is why I wanted to make up the new international network, perhaps called "HyperNet" which is 100% decentralized, and gets rid of stupid stuff like HTML/CSS/JavaScript/HTTP/PDF/StupidStuff/etc/etc/etc/etc too. < 1355450144 9823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that works too < 1355450149 624748 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what would it use instead? < 1355450153 467817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but StupidStuff is my favourite technology < 1355450170 566382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs(((x + 3) % 7 - 3) % 4)? < 1355450175 332463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's too complicated. < 1355450176 834667 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Just plain ASCII text (or, if not English, using their encoding) < 1355450211 661465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: why not UTF-8? < 1355450217 62067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you wouldn't have to guess the encoding < 1355450273 559545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, you can use UTF-8 if you want, or whatever < 1355450273 985575 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-8.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1355450274 647021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that sort of works but is a bit inconvenient < 1355450281 641598 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-44-7.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355450285 83994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: SORRY < 1355450289 449473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"tough" < 1355450342 309764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: abs(x % 8 - 3) almost works < 1355450353 875829 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 4 3 2 1 0… < 1355450376 660101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably much slower than internet, although, this also is advantage which allows working over nearly any physical systems, and prevents the government or whoever from spying on you or deleting things, and also with a lot more security must be included in the system, to allow updates similar to wiki or in other ways. < 1355450379 362694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or abs(x % 6 - 2) is 2 1 0 1 2 3 2 1 0 1 2 3 2 1 0… < 1355450391 792307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs(((x+3) % 7) - 3) < 1355450398 980697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what the point of the % 4 was. < 1355450408 32460 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that's good enough < 1355450426 676658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's not what you asked for, but I thought it might be what you wanted < 1355450448 442488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this for? < 1355450453 637816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ais523 has inside information. < 1355450469 318211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The standard encoding is considered ASCII rather than UTF-8, not only because Unicode is too complicated, but also to avoid homograph attacks and stuff like that. Nevertheless, you can use whatever encoding you need for the file you are posting. < 1355450475 353068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also ais523's thing is obviously a derivative work. < 1355450482 356770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, where is the 8 even coming from? < 1355450483 215337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh < 1355450484 925135 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-44-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 the mindreader < 1355450495 648465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cycle length < 1355450507 981320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355450513 468968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is abs(x % k*2 - (k-1)) < 1355450520 615731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a % 7 already. < 1355450524 76481 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> (abs (x % 6 - 2))) < 1355450525 699741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `%' < 1355450525 933946 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `R.%' (imported from Data.Ratio) < 1355450534 715537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: now I'm trying to figure out which UPS flights my package will be on < 1355450535 148933 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> (abs (x `mod` 6 - 2))) < 1355450536 741700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (a0 -> [a0])) < 1355450536 976676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M629... < 1355450538 275599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looking at flightaware.com < 1355450556 367967 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (\x -> (abs (x `mod` 6 - 2))) 0 < 1355450557 962653 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,... < 1355450558 979351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Doesn't a laptop have a built-in UPS? < 1355450566 390912 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1355450572 803185 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait < 1355450575 366475 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I doing < 1355450592 789670 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (abs (x `mod` 6 - 2))) [0..] < 1355450594 211938 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,1,0,1,2,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,2,... < 1355450614 533367 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (abs (x `mod` 12 - 4))) [0..] < 1355450616 138090 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [4,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,4,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,4,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,4,... < 1355450628 825528 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (abs (x `mod` 12 - 2))) [0..] < 1355450630 292348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,1,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,2,1,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,2,1,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,2,... < 1355450636 999000 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1355450647 522735 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (\x -> (abs (x `mod` 12 - 5))) [0..] < 1355450648 975001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [5,4,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,5,4,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,5,4,3,2,1,0,1,2,3,4,5,6,5,... < 1355450658 137377 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to make decentralized 100% one of my ideas is that duplicate addresses are allowed, addresses can change as often as you want, needs no relevance to physical locations or hardware, and can be considered as coordinates in an infinite-dimensional space. < 1355450737 521907 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(t>>8|t|t>>(t>>6))*6+((t>>4)&7) < 1355450762 407246 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: tbh i don't think central addressing is the way forward for worldeating nanobots < 1355450764 820904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: and how will routing work? < 1355450800 467752 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering making a system where adresses are actually relative, though it was more an alternative to usb than to the internet. < 1355450823 497286 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: There is no routing; that is why it is so slow. < 1355450838 930048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1355450843 985824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are more honest than most protocol designers < 1355450849 147569 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1355450866 23973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds like a pretty esoteric network < 1355450880 654735 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-44-7.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1355450888 586680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you require that each address has only finitely many nonzero coordinates? < 1355450889 866079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the packets just kind of meander around until they arrive at their destination by happenstance? < 1355450898 976451 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :With relative addressing, how it works is that for each routher/switch whatever, you ahve a part of the adress that says what physical connection to forward the signal through. < 1355450909 942945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, it would have to; but there is no limit. < 1355450911 147962 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355450920 568127 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To like for one that has three connections you jsut have a bit that says to turn either right or left. < 1355450940 906583 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : this sounds like a pretty esoteric network <-- "perfect" < 1355450953 753636 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome zzo38 < 1355450956 350664 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355450957 748708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: didn't telephones used to work like that? < 1355450962 954051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each digit in the number was parsed by a different switch < 1355450973 403045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and told it which other switch to connect to < 1355450979 589685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ and deployment//' wisdom/welcome < 1355450981 163945 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly. < 1355450983 42244 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought telephones used to work by asking an operator to figure it out for you < 1355450983 198700 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355450990 338637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that was even earlier < 1355450999 522085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Kind of. You can know which address is closer to the target. Also, you might not need a target if you have an old copy of the data (which anyone might archive, even if they don't know what it is), and if you have the key you can decrypt it. So, it can be meant for everyone with the key, rather than only one target. < 1355450999 991668 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome shachaf < 1355451002 13994 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355451016 572911 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I would try to add packets to that, instead of it needing to be a continuous circuit. < 1355451018 404284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know about distributed hash tables < 1355451019 56097 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hm, this seems a bit like how i think freenode works < 1355451025 172827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Thanks, but it's just not the same. < 1355451029 101742 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jinx! < 1355451031 623315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And new versions can override old versions, sort of like git or other source code repositories, or similar to a wiki a bit < 1355451043 409112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: freenet, you mean? or something else? < 1355451046 506309 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yours didn't have deployment for some reason < 1355451050 516307 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. yes. DHTs and all. < 1355451058 528286 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you removed it! How dare you < 1355451128 794967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You should make a distributed content-addressed thing that everyone uses for everything. < 1355451140 494275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, have we ever actually deployed an esolang? < 1355451141 932548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm not only could you implement bytebeat music in discrete logic, you could build a board with the necessary components and have a plugboard to change the way it connects together < 1355451150 124532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, apart from me talking to the Debian packagers about INTERCAL? < 1355451165 448120 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "deployed"? < 1355451229 459892 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :free to blame < 1355451237 281062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1355451239 3818 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355451269 904177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355451272 104132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355451272 593132 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more deployment < 1355451275 875630 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355451278 186295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355451281 82790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome < 1355451282 977634 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355451295 652605 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :revert fite < 1355451301 949810 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'welcome everybody < 1355451308 503920 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1355451312 510093 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :backtick dear < 1355451313 877381 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1355451315 130065 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1355451320 214718 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome everybody < 1355451321 828880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355451325 967743 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now look what you made me do < 1355451334 854556 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good, that covers all the bases ever. < 1355451363 998049 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and Hackego found out he can't find nothing. < 1355451381 479238 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I like the idea and you should place a more detailed writeup somewhere < 1355451405 209411 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run touch "" < 1355451407 46685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :touch: cannot touch `': No such file or directory < 1355451420 514308 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a shame < 1355451437 937449 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use nothing, not something. If you use something you might get nothing. Anything, really. < 1355451439 199377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: deployment's basically shipping something out to as many people as possible, in the computing world < 1355451457 462662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other common usage of the term is to do with deploying troops < 1355451459 801786 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact an unsolved problem is how nothing can weight so little < 1355451462 16607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: weird error message, though < 1355451476 546278 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got the same locally. I wonder what the hell it means. < 1355451505 824444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Yes I should. Note that everything is encrypted, and that you can use QR codes or ham radio or disks or even over internet whatever; therefore it is unblockable. < 1355451530 47025 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, unless you block ALL of it :-) < 1355451533 348477 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should organize a counter-strike game to be played over ham radio. < 1355451556 552742 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solid steel shell around ALL the things < 1355451578 833777 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hit the shells rhythmically to encode vibrations < 1355451643 640126 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use trained elephants, they communicate subsonically. < 1355451669 340268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… wouldn't most radios filter out the encodings of subsonic transmissions? < 1355451671 570717 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait no. < 1355451674 361263 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infrasonic. < 1355451702 188753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely possible to transmit them, just there isn't normally any point and it just adds to noise floor < 1355451711 851558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also typical speakers can't produce them anyway < 1355451827 166406 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-1-5.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355451827 655305 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also you can't hear it anyway, by definition. < 1355451848 123176 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you receive it with naother trained elephant. < 1355451850 915889 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*another < 1355451901 471471 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're not using amplitude or frequence modulation..how is that infrasonic manipulation realized anyway? < 1355451920 170450 :greyooze!~GK@82.132.249.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355451933 804328 :greyooze!~GK@82.132.249.212 NICK :GreyKnight < 1355451949 193982 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :However the elephants normally make them? < 1355451963 323275 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why you use them instead of having an infrasonic machine. < 1355451970 961892 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They already know how to do it. < 1355451975 91680 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355452000 84961 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1355452005 352414 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today on #esoteric: elephant-based security exploits < 1355452102 977820 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355452333 698663 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I originally installed [a referer forger] for esolangs.org after that hilarious incident with the spam filter < 1355452335 63374 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355452423 252247 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Having hundreds of Chrome tabs is... not very sustainable. <-- I occasionally use FF's "bookmark all" to just splat all of them into a bookmark directory, then close all the things < 1355452428 594871 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: basically graue used to spam-filter things by regexing against the entire HTTP request < 1355452436 155283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, that's what we /think/ was happening < 1355452445 505283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone made a spam page with a spam link in its URL, somehow < 1355452457 867948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all attempts to edit it were failing because the spam link was part of the referer < 1355452476 933031 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome. < 1355452483 281764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we figured it out eventually < 1355452489 137977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after we couldn't even get to the main page from the spam page < 1355452497 556004 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'_' < 1355452510 957723 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want to try making pages named after spam websites all over wikia. < 1355452522 24768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wikia probably doesn't use graue's filter < 1355452523 317955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we don't either < 1355452530 558231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :among the other things it filtered were
Deewiant: um???? You've forgotten axiom 1 of everything: everything sucks < 1355452553 164845 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :868) Deewiant: um???? You've forgotten axiom 1 of everything: everything sucks < 1355452569 799867 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is either a grumpy old man or a 20-year-old < 1355452577 831889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 868 < 1355452591 23019 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or he's just been spending too long using web browsers < 1355452595 291076 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf do you know what IMO stands for < 1355452620 155373 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Market Object < 1355452627 801571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I don't think he's 20 yet, but argumably he's a grumpy old man either < 1355452633 756597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :argumably < 1355452645 740181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are a wordsmitharttist < 1355452650 442484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I actually caught both typos in that sentence but decided they were too good to remove < 1355452653 852222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially the first < 1355452680 521258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw it wasn't Graue's fault < 1355452683 606445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was some dumb host thing < 1355452688 275039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1355452692 587760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was Graue's webhost < 1355452695 771347 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than Graue himself < 1355452701 822126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a graue and am i likely to be eaten by it < 1355452702 973440 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you use IceChat? < 1355452704 683360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why me ruling everything is better < 1355452707 275874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: i... no < 1355452722 5060 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm you are disproving my conjecture < 1355452725 427754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: he runs esoteric.voxelperfect.net < 1355452729 567495 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which still exists < 1355452732 869229 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also used to host the wiki < 1355452746 793886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Alan Dipert added esolangs.org as a redirect to it < 1355452752 971771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now elliott owns both esolangs.org and the wiki < 1355452767 686804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm chorizo fried rice < 1355452823 167259 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I want working Factor I'm going to need to compile it myself aren't I < 1355452867 573223 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell are you doing sgeo, it's just a download < 1355452908 777444 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, using a version of Linux with a too old something or other for the binary < 1355452935 858515 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :./factor: /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6: version `GLIBCXX_3.4.15' not found (required by ./factor) < 1355452964 166604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's "THE ALAN DIPERT", btw < 1355452972 63889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't own esolangs.org < 1355452982 43262 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355452987 510411 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in allcaps? < 1355452989 501769 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, related to Factor but unrelated to my issues: Bike: It just occurred to me today that you could put quotations in the values for throw-restart and then call after that < 1355452999 914325 :GreyKnight!~GK@82.132.249.212 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355453003 552456 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's funier if you just add the pronoun < 1355453004 597325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Factor the new Clojure, sgeo? < 1355453008 856852 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, maybe < 1355453022 116612 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the lack of a community scares me < 1355453024 271225 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds inconvenient < 1355453035 375015 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: how long will it be before there's a programming language equivalent of "black is the new black"? < 1355453048 945141 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :java is the new c++, I think i've heard before < 1355453054 616537 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the relative lack of libraries scares me < 1355453058 272167 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355453062 550459 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it does come with plenty of cool stuff < 1355453097 466500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you have to be able to put the same name on both sides < 1355453104 995159 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, a language with a lack of community? < 1355453111 486815 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl is the new perl? i dunno < 1355453112 830147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to do this, "X is the new Y" has to become a meme, with variable X and fixed Y < 1355453115 137211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit is the new shit < 1355453117 327065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or vice versa, but that's less likely < 1355453122 314804 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION immediatly starts using it. < 1355453140 223633 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't force a snowclone. < 1355453141 867736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: lots of esolangs have no community, unless you count this one < 1355453148 939941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some have no community even if you count this one < 1355453152 434577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a language for misanthropes you say! sign me up!!! < 1355453157 416420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The thing that's going to be fixed here is new, not Y. < 1355453159 860019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you won't find anyone in here willing to program in ESME, for instance < 1355453159 937923 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude, there's a Factor community, but it's ... small < 1355453161 522375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GET IT????????) < 1355453171 505525 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google esolang esme < 1355453173 100589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: gah, now I'm trying to calculate fix new in my head < 1355453173 595340 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esme < 1355453173 751798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Esme - Esolang < 1355453175 808445 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but new has the wrong type < 1355453178 190114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am disappointed < 1355453187 280140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Esme, sorry, not ESME < 1355453191 212715 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice logo < 1355453202 170747 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eliott: http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/?oneliner=t*5%26(t%3E%3E7)%7Ct*3%26(t*2%3E%3E10)&oneliner2=&t0=0&tmod=0&duration=30&separation=100&rate=8000 < 1355453204 44577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Category:Shameful < 1355453209 269265 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a joke? < 1355453218 865079 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sorry, a "lol" < 1355453222 769577 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: read the talk page too, if you like < 1355453226 685669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we're… not entirely sure < 1355453229 478207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lulz epic fail < 1355453234 506491 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most charitable explanation is, we think it's performance art < 1355453235 827982 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sorta canon < 1355453236 239892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION jumps off nearest bridge < 1355453240 584044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: nice < 1355453247 962115 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I first saw it, I was expecting it to be "esme, Mario!" < 1355453256 113999 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :user:zzo38, you are the wind beneath my wings < 1355453260 868814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of http://esolangs.org/wiki/Most_ever_Brainfuckiest_Fuck_you_Brain_fucker_Fuck < 1355453262 329863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it fits in quite well as performance art < 1355453262 487141 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that would be Eseme. < 1355453271 997374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that is oklopol's best language imo < 1355453275 802045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it doesn't fit in well as anything else < 1355453278 870220 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: beautiful < 1355453294 178508 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think I started the conversation that lead to that being invented < 1355453335 378036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea was to create a language as unlike brainfuck as possible < 1355453364 688653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i kind of figured it was meant to evoke an incredibly complicated way of arriving at a sequence of instructions drawn from 8 possibilities < 1355453375 183879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1355453382 903857 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with kmc < 1355453393 322601 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making it a BF derivative would defeat the entire point < 1355453406 959196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also are there any web frameworks yet for Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download < 1355453425 145477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download on Rails < 1355453430 534924 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the point was satire by making the "brainfuck in a weird encoding" thing seem ridiculous. < 1355453438 669910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is good at naming languages creatively < 1355453448 47725 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 is a master of playing it straight < 1355453448 464477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are you sure < 1355453464 79202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes. < 1355453467 461132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I named a language the sound that's written in IPA as /ˈæmbiːɛf/ in homage to the way he names things < 1355453476 192493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please don't encourage trolls. < 1355453483 688085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're keb. < 1355453499 955341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know what TikZ stands for? < 1355453511 507012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also Y fixes its argument, it's not like you can give it to things as an argument and it fixes them < 1355453513 157359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not off-hand -- should I? < 1355453515 371620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"TikZ ist kein Zeichenprogramm" < 1355453551 909704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember keb solike,.,.,. ,I wana know.,,., with this HASKOR junk,..,., do like functions AUTOMATICALLY get called 4.41 times per second? is that called in MAIN? and where do exicutibles get paused on the chip? PM PLZ < 1355453552 65868 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice! < 1355453558 287199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good thing this is #esoteric and not #haskell. < 1355453599 541695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@photontorpedo < 1355453600 169903 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :troll? < 1355453626 890062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@forget keb solike,.,.,. ,I wana know.,,., with this HASKOR junk,..,., do like functions AUTOMATICALLY get called 4.41 times per second? is that called in MAIN? and where do exicutibles get paused on the chip? PM PLZ < 1355453627 499306 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355453628 127424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what because in #haskell now 20 people would be trying to explain in good natured but entirely useless ways that functions are not automatically called 4.41 times per second? < 1355453635 837479 :keb!~Keb@184-76-50-238.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355453647 519863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Oh. < 1355453659 375344 :keb!~Keb@184-76-50-238.war.clearwire-wmx.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solike,.,.,. ,I wana know.,,., with this HASKOR junk,..,., do like functions AUTOMATICALLY get called 4.41 times per second? is that called in MAIN? and where do exicutibles get paused on the chip? PM PLZ < 1355453665 630071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to see this backfired on shachaf < 1355453686 306656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, keb fits right in here. < 1355453687 585004 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355453699 340393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how did that work? < 1355453706 271899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I went back in time. < 1355453721 603016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "X is the new X" means that X is the fixed point of new < 1355453723 347187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoting someone in lambdabot doesn't normally cause them to join a channel < 1355453728 352522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a fixed point. < 1355453728 509000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: by the way, if you don't know what the "deployment" in the welcome message is for, you should stop removing it < 1355453728 847371 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: aha, I see < 1355453729 528002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :X = New X < 1355453735 842034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/implementation/implementation/' wisdom/welcome < 1355453737 104107 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355453752 920530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: If you want me to stop removing it, you should tell me what it's for. < 1355453754 442763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's a no-op, isn't it? < 1355453763 693095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it is < 1355453769 155663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/implementation/deployment/' wisdom/welcome < 1355453771 368437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is there malicious Unicode in there somewhere? < 1355453772 2029 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355453777 431962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think there are easier ways to get you to stop removing it < 1355453793 507930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I think I've deployed at least two esolangs now < 1355453801 27493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What does the "deployment" mean in `welcome? < 1355453803 702461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm probably beating the rest of you < 1355453806 934661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it means "deployment" < 1355453810 976716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did you expect it to mean? < 1355453812 616043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, what's it for? < 1355453822 865594 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1355453859 920451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you ever deployed an esolang? < 1355453876 90996 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if not, you need more welcoming < 1355453878 452152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you just re-removed it in private yet again. please stop misusing HackEgo. < 1355453880 185480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn deployment < 1355453881 138695 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "deployment" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1355453881 311189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deployment < 1355453881 384178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: the distribution of forces in preparation for battle or < 1355453881 384342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : work < 1355453881 921991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355453882 815580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a waste of time < 1355453884 73801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355453886 960576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355453889 370751 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355453898 819528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Agreed. < 1355453905 90338 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :change it to "implementation, debate, and deployment" < 1355453929 280729 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: see [[Pahana]], copyvio? non-esoteric? < 1355453937 53723 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd heard of it before the article was written < 1355453960 195827 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why are you edit warring with elliott? < 1355453994 14489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Why is elliott edit warring with me? < 1355454000 229255 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's changing it back < 1355454007 727845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to the version it's been for ages < 1355454024 120194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when changing something central like `welcome, it helps to have a good reason for the change < 1355454032 50692 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when most other people seem to disagree with you < 1355454035 549238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the " and deployment" for? < 1355454039 715764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't rearrange Wikipeia's main page on a whim < 1355454041 461060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell only elliott disagrees with me. < 1355454044 569651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a reason to assume an action I take with HackEgo is not in bad faith, which doesn't apply for you, since all you do with it is interrupt conversations with passive-aggressive `quotespam and delete stuff < 1355454048 487888 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I also disagree with you < 1355454048 988690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yawn < 1355454058 779060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can we ban shachaf from HackEgo yet? < 1355454065 394650 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I approve. < 1355454090 298344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't see why you feel the need to take actions that you think will result in you being kicked/banned from IRC channels/bots/etc. < 1355454097 4532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what cheater does? < 1355454110 855330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to be kicked from this channel? < 1355454114 170298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I take a similar view of that as I do to people who like getting thrown out of games for breaking the rules < 1355454118 389283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in each case, you want them around < 1355454123 504032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog .*kick < 1355454125 985286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...have you forgotten the hundred times you've demanded an op of this channel to kick you < 1355454130 511722 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-10-26.txt:21:30:48: ais523: You should kick me for flooding. < 1355454132 964891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog .*kick < 1355454139 158132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-20.txt:05:42:55: oerjan: Kick me while you're at it! < 1355454140 684603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog .*kick < 1355454147 161533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-04-14.txt:19:36:30: «shahcahef foiled myy jkoe :'( - eliot hird kick him - eliottt» - elliott < 1355454147 904014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I don't want to be kicked from this channel anymore. < 1355454163 657102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I did at the time, but there's a good reason to stay in it now. < 1355454166 779574 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shähcähëf < 1355454179 633430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: which is? < 1355454185 360655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :messing with the bot, presumably < 1355454188 120736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sħäħcäħëf < 1355454193 105606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a lot of 'h'es in your name, dude < 1355454201 567098 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't seem very pronounceable. < 1355454212 211457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to pronounce ħ < 1355454240 946306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i can't pronounce שכהף either < 1355454247 678692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not how my name is pronounced. < 1355454251 836591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's שחף. < 1355454253 74131 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't pronounce ë < 1355454262 862128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355454265 983190 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "k". < 1355454266 527964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, apart from the English pronunciation in words like Zoë < 1355454267 302865 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :google has failed me once again < 1355454311 819754 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: isn't that a normal e, just with a diaeresis to indicate that it's not a dipthong < 1355454315 28306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/welcome < 1355454316 195183 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1355454317 226065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1355454326 5680 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355454327 787667 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1355454331 439289 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/welcome < 1355454332 600601 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and implementation! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355454335 590308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355454338 20337 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355454341 612250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat wisdom/welcome < 1355454342 973445 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1355454346 225727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1355454354 822927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom < 1355454355 57295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, you appear to have misremembered most brainfuckest [etc.]'s origins < 1355454356 593069 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ ais523 \ atriq \ augur \ banach-tarski \ boily \ bonvenon \ c \ cakeprophet \ category \ coffee \ comonad \ coppro \ egobot \ elliott \ endofunctor \ england \ esoteric \ europe \ everyone \ finland \ finnish \ finns \ fizzie \ flower \ freefull \ friendship \ functor \ fungot \ gaspacho \ gazpacho \ glogbot \ gregor \ hackego \ < 1355454358 84042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:41:18: hey duddes how about this language i've been designing the last 4 months where you take brainfuck except well call it brainfuckER and you reverse all the characters, and you have to draw the program in paint? and then there's brainfuckiest where you just say beep boop in a microphone and it's interpreted as a fibonacci code word and then it's multiplied by 7 and then it's interpreted as a brainfuck program except that if you prin < 1355454365 721089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that probably got cut off but it doesn't matter < 1355454375 667689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ☃ < 1355454377 607955 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​☃ brrr... < 1355454381 610389 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? � < 1355454383 197750 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​�? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355454392 589076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you only copied half the character < 1355454402 731335 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? endofunctor < 1355454403 921676 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Endofunctors are just endomorphisms in the category of categories. < 1355454405 247546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls wisdom | xz -9 | base64 < 1355454407 153207 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :xz: (stdin): Cannot allocate memory < 1355454408 12666 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ȫ < 1355454409 971341 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ȫ? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1355454420 987986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ő_ő < 1355454428 697528 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite. < 1355454444 85679 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1355454445 510953 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is ais523. This topic may retroactively become more informative if or when Feather is invented. < 1355454451 872610 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, it's a Feather joke < 1355454458 930580 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like those didn't get old years ago < 1355454468 739048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+022B: LATIN SMALL LETTER O WITH DIAERESIS AND MACRON < 1355454469 864357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1355454471 813612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why why why < 1355454474 78550 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(GreyKnight is allowed to make them for another couple of months because he's new) < 1355454493 231808 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, please inform me of feather. < 1355454494 7702 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: a day and i was telling her that that americans are not patient people we like fast cars and we're like oh if we've gotta save money hey wait a minute y- you know how < 1355454498 30739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: to stop your ō getting merged with a vowel before it, obviously < 1355454506 425402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh < 1355454517 711820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i told some people that ASCII is not sufficient for English < 1355454530 575679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: punk < 1355454536 877303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc – it isn't… < 1355454574 660482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: it lacks the currency symbol of many english speaking countries < 1355454591 999524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: if scotland becomes independent then there will be another currency union in the EU besides the Euro < 1355454595 94488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's funny < 1355454599 772778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it doesn't have £ /or/ € < 1355454605 731495 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355454612 167770 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what did they say < 1355454613 126578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ¬ < 1355454623 228964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i guess they agreed with me < 1355454629 849517 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would their currency be called? < 1355454631 209430 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not so punk any more < 1355454633 259602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and / or decided to stay quite until the crazy person stopped talking < 1355454638 955893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: they would keep using the UK pound < 1355454642 527516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is thought < 1355454645 66709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IMO they should adopt the yen < 1355454651 549781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'd use the Scottish pound < 1355454651 788415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how great a piece of trivia would that be < 1355454655 560338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"did you know Scotland uses the yen?" < 1355454656 583130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is already a strange arrangement where scottish pounds are printed by private scottish banks < 1355454662 632911 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is IIRC freely interconvertible 1:1 to the UK pound < 1355454672 255000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which are then obliged to hold in reserves of bank of england pounds < 1355454675 105315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355454676 639120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that many shops won't accept Scottish money because they're worried it'll be fake < 1355454685 811442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm worried that scotland is fake < 1355454691 14747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i've never been there < 1355454700 470536 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it's easier to forge or something < 1355454705 460925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it's not very far from Hexham < 1355454711 693736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where all esolangers live < 1355454714 631336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should go there < 1355454716 858528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: enjoy your 0% inflation forever < 1355454723 540076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: this is not good < 1355454748 264451 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you're an inflation < 1355454758 670123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw I have been to Scotland and I can confirm it is fake < 1355454760 113553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my economist friends tell me that the japanese central bank has basically been taken over by old people who want their retirement savings to be valuable, and fuck the young people, we'll be dead by then < 1355454806 859631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: is it actually easier to counterfeit or are the shops just dumb < 1355454824 74527 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's no Scotland, then where are people calling when they call Scotland Yard? < 1355454834 903051 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I suspect it's easier to counterfeit; but more to the point, the shops don't know what it looks like, so they couldn't detect even quite bad fakes < 1355454838 879663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1355454851 801388 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was that famous incident just after the euro was introduced < 1355454853 144277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the walmart that accepted a $1,000,000 bill with george w bush's face on it < 1355454862 174631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where some people got a fortune using fake €300 notes < 1355454866 194146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1355454866 841568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :score < 1355454870 66113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a nonexistent denomination) < 1355454897 526796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there was also that incident recently where someone tried to cash in a trillion dollars of fake US bonds < 1355454903 211628 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and got caught because they'd misspelt "dollar" < 1355454905 552299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1355454918 538985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if they would have been caught anyway or not < 1355454923 939339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing yes, but no makes for a funnier story < 1355454926 995432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were some people caught somewhere in europe with like $10b worth of treasury notes in a suitcase < 1355454934 357989 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355454942 116573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real ones? or fake? < 1355454946 70517 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty crazy either way < 1355454955 935887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegedly counterfeit but the conspiracy theory is that they were real and the US convinced Italy or whoever to destroy them quietly < 1355455004 262213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: india is also an english speaking country and their currency symbol isn't in ASCII either < 1355455012 568596 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's also like 3 years old and looks like star wars money < 1355455056 533648 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make notes that claim to be for negative amounts of money. < 1355455074 593268 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, print it with red ink. < 1355455090 291990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what does star wars money look like? < 1355455103 408041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MDude: we've had fun adventures with negative quantities of money in NetHack < 1355455109 739820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're actually practically useful, for their negative weight < 1355455126 865107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qdb.rawrnix.com/?648 < 1355455140 724338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a fun thought experiment for anyone who likes absurd arithmetic) < 1355455178 262552 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much did those -2147483604 zorkmids weigh? Usually my character would be dead under the abs of that weight. < 1355455184 505194 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20051201231848/starwars/images/1/13/CreditChip.jpg Star Wars Galactic Standard Credit Chip < 1355455187 912837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you're nega-rich! < 1355455210 45687 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found suseorc's vault! < 1355455312 24136 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's like the question of whether antimatter is subject to antigravity. which is apparently a serious question. < 1355455413 115141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking gravity, how does it work? < 1355455417 911209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a negative amount < 1355455435 453049 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: given nethack i'd expect that to crush me into the dungeon ceiling, killing me < 1355455437 869822 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's quite useful, you can carry basically unlimited amounts of stuff because the gold counterweighs it < 1355456057 740794 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 NICK :MDream < 1355456343 969831 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCRPUv8V22o&feature=player_detailpage#t=313s < 1355456466 609751 :keb!~Keb@184-76-50-238.war.clearwire-wmx.net NICK :kbbb < 1355456827 392419 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy has also an interesting channel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKMrBaXJvMs&list=UURRqeqAXdCC8GgatzHO3VWA&index=1 < 1355457689 420893 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355457861 121507 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1355458346 724126 :kbbb!~Keb@184-76-50-238.war.clearwire-wmx.net PART :#esoteric < 1355458381 918785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, re: Pahana, I have no idea < 1355458384 103428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you hear of it? < 1355458417 801188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1355458426 360993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been a blog < 1355458692 991337 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355458855 696660 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1355460580 478626 :NihilistDandy!~ND@65-183-140-119-dhcp.burlingtontelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355460696 604569 :lightquake!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 NICK :Guest < 1355460696 920388 :Guest!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 NICK :1JTAAT864 < 1355460942 642641 :keb!~keb@184-76-50-238.war.clearwire-wmx.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355461457 317297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1355462016 179005 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355462547 322411 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355462579 270632 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355463463 828220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^asc ⚣ < 1355463464 221737 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :226. < 1355463468 458764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ⚣ < 1355463468 885179 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :226 154 163 < 1355463484 411151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh < 1355463508 483144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the heck can't google search for a unicode character simply by pasting it :( < 1355463526 819753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, axiom 1 < 1355463544 17257 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Monad axiom 1? < 1355463611 778102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Deewiant: um???? You've forgotten axiom 1 of everything: everything sucks < 1355463637 199292 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355463647 1763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :approximately 20 lines above that character in the logs < 1355463668 652008 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Are you suggesting that I logread? < 1355463669 247817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION found it via fileformat.info < 1355463682 66557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, wouldn't _dream_ of it. < 1355463699 780113 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You could just search unic.txt... < 1355463716 811342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----### < 1355463739 143273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you don't have unic.txt < 1355463745 385193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an old Perl program I used to use: < 1355463749 367014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://slbkbs.org/unic.pl.txt < 1355463766 246352 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was originally written by Larry Wall. < 1355463770 36329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, the point here is i want to find it without having to engage my brain. < 1355463774 359503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly because of that comment. < 1355463783 493755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't have a brain and I still found it... < 1355463797 212045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1355463802 302032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :⚠ < 1355463810 243030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :/!\ < 1355464040 736401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend9 http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/6f8e08560f66/ais523_defend9.bfjoust < 1355464054 495551 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_defend9: 16.4 < 1355464072 56288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the resubmit < 1355464087 192506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was wondering how well my good programs from years ago did nowadays < 1355464091 539351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust defend7 http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/e908fcf1f035/ais523_defend7.bfjoust < 1355464096 524407 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_defend7: 25.4 < 1355464116 160185 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend7 is up there, at least < 1355464129 896639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend9 is not going to do well in today's world of stupidly large offset clears < 1355464154 220251 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it beats /all/ Gregor's programs, apart from the one that's actually jix's < 1355464171 42155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mostly by pretty large margins too < 1355464173 346045 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :defend7, that is < 1355464191 180204 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it beats death_to_defence on one polarity, somehow < 1355464216 280224 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355464225 948845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that makes no sense < 1355464236 990364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :htf does one of my old defence programs beat death_to_defence? < 1355464269 24380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a zombie < 1355464271 819550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cant dead a zombie < 1355464273 159364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl < 1355464286 736664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION checks on egojsout < 1355464313 15616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, haha, death_to_defence falls back to a 4-cycle clear :) < 1355464323 557050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and defend7's lock works on both 2-cycle clears and 4-cycle clears < 1355464348 761268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not perfectly < 1355464352 59899 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, it wins by just a few cycles < 1355464411 93103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no < 1355464414 317150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a perfect lock < 1355464427 753501 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just it doesn't look like one because it's not an undetectable perfect lock < 1355464494 824192 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :moral of the story: nested timer clears are hard to get right < 1355464564 880019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid theory: modern programs spend so long setting up decoys that they can be beaten by a full-tape clear < 1355464566 195778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tests < 1355464618 289087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++>---(6)*5(>(+.)*255+)*21 < 1355464621 41666 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 6.9 < 1355464623 738273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1355464632 351159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd have been really worried if that won < 1355464647 497252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++>---(6)*5(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464650 74904 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 16.0 < 1355464653 237648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++>---(>)*5(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464655 951292 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 25.3 < 1355464658 730894 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come /on/ < 1355464667 326798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is, like, the slowest clear loop in existence < 1355464726 175193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually it does pretty badly < 1355464731 145681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure why it's scoring so well < 1355464745 467424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++>--->++>--(>)*3(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464748 287128 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 20.4 < 1355464756 879488 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear (>)*8(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464759 511153 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 23.4 < 1355464769 162914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >>++(>)*6(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464771 817990 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 21.4 < 1355464777 540823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464780 140481 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 22.7 < 1355464783 553685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464786 370702 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 28.9 < 1355464794 704071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :28.9 isn't bad < 1355464796 410545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, who's using a size-3 offset clear? :) < 1355464808 80914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently, quintopia < 1355464812 502929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or it's just typing coincidence < 1355464832 925223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*timing coincidence < 1355464834 839537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes < 1355464847 638547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how a program that slow can do that well simply by being 100% immune to decoys < 1355464852 894356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a half-speed turtle < 1355464860 438342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, well, an offset turtle that offsets the entire range < 1355464883 709413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*7(>[+[--[(+.)*255+>]>]>])*21 < 1355464886 324303 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 28.5 < 1355464893 127926 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464895 908589 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 28.9 < 1355464928 101984 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1355464939 38230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrong window) < 1355464963 706478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, that thing making top half of the leaderboard is ridiculous :) < 1355464983 306168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*8(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464986 39161 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 26.2 < 1355464990 538458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355464993 218845 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 28.9 < 1355465003 823535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I thought that was a program that might benefit from the elliott sacrifice < 1355465006 64313 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apparently not < 1355465019 833455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the elliott is a standard unit of sacrifice measure < 1355465023 43000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's equivalent to 11.4 goats < 1355465026 370619 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++(>)*4++++(>)*3(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465029 102286 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 23.1 < 1355465036 500811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465039 198458 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 29.3 < 1355465043 178649 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465045 862630 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 30.8 < 1355465049 14207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >+++++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465051 512386 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 30.8 < 1355465057 515699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465060 288767 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 29.3 < 1355465063 579971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++++(>)*7(>[(+.)*255+>])*21 < 1355465066 65089 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK 6 is optimal :) < 1355465066 286974 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 30.8 < 1355465071 989913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you need an optimiser program for this :) < 1355465075 735759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, don't you have one? < 1355465077 538387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do < 1355465087 491372 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not very good for optimizing decoy setups < 1355465116 568296 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wondering if the strategy even /can/ be tweaked < 1355465126 593520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use a smaller offset on the turtle < 1355465137 419576 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*64(+.)*127+>])*21 < 1355465140 61766 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 30.4 < 1355465143 889211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, weird < 1355465152 740297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465155 530750 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 33.8 < 1355465158 802814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go < 1355465169 724922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not an aggressive full tape clear any more though < 1355465173 343841 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust aggressive_full_tape_clear < < 1355465176 21216 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_aggressive_full_tape_clear: 0.0 < 1355465183 50123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465185 929372 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 34.0 < 1355465267 647870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: why can't it optimise decoy setups? < 1355465271 123633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just be (+)*N, right? < 1355465283 354119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't brute-force, tries to use an evo algo < 1355465296 620378 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191>([(+)*32(+.)*191>])*20](>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465299 334058 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465301 893271 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should be equivalent < 1355465306 873573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently I messed up somewhere < 1355465328 373795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465330 649104 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465337 789704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, just the board settling < 1355465363 483975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(-)*50(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465366 130036 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 32.1 < 1355465371 322169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(-)*90(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465373 953062 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 28.1 < 1355465378 829964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(-)*20(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465381 605673 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 32.9 < 1355465387 306417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465390 958 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465394 508065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8+(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465397 402141 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465406 566964 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(+)*10(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465409 212720 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465412 511578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*8(+)*20(>)*8(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465415 336909 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 32.5 < 1355465438 235279 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*8[(+)*32(+.)*191+>([(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20](<)*6++++++>++++++>------(>)*4(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*20 < 1355465440 956203 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 24.6 < 1355465450 558013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465453 219290 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465454 611516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's go back to the simple version < 1355465545 719747 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+..)*191+>])*21 < 1355465548 269197 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 31.1 < 1355465549 286408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you keep offsetting the pure turtle < 1355465555 55786 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*poor < 1355465563 529739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(++.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465566 605538 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 26.7 < 1355465574 794245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, both interesting results there < 1355465582 109348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465584 780485 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465590 170083 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either much faster than programs, or much slower < 1355465605 299910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or programs are falling off against it due to it only setting one decoy < 1355465610 197241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7+(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465612 848873 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 28.9 < 1355465629 245446 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's the difference it makes if you change the decoy setup even slightly < 1355465633 553276 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus, the high score is an illusion < 1355465644 461540 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or else a sign that people should stop relying on ridiculous decoy setups < 1355465650 506148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*32(+.)*191+>])*21 < 1355465654 21658 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465668 16704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*48(+.)*159+>])*21 < 1355465670 833619 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.6 < 1355465686 189707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*40(+.)*175+>])*21 < 1355465689 20898 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.6 < 1355465701 808494 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*21 < 1355465704 609343 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465756 439648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7>[(+)*64(+.)*127+>](>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*20 < 1355465759 98004 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.3 < 1355465767 818040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7>(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*21 < 1355465770 598026 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 31.1 < 1355465779 528859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*21 < 1355465782 238602 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465791 343465 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*21(++-----)*100000 < 1355465793 979001 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465804 943173 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, the "beat vibration programs on length 30" addition has no effect at all < 1355465854 523642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_offset_turtle >++++++(>)*7(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*-1 < 1355465857 198559 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_offset_turtle: 33.8 < 1355465860 893535 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I prefer the clean version < 1355466162 592744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_slow_offset_turtle >+++>+++>+++>--->---<(-)*65<(+)*65<(+)*65<(+)*65<(-)*65(>)*8(>[(+)*30(+.)*195+>])*-1 < 1355466165 399917 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_slow_offset_turtle: 23.4 < 1355466213 919232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you cannot beat vibration, silly < 1355466248 225977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, obviously < 1355466253 225516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust very_slow_offset_turtle < < 1355466260 288767 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_very_slow_offset_turtle: 0.0 < 1355466280 319032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, very_offset_turtle doesn't work against defence unless it's lucky < 1355466287 60194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a turtle, after all < 1355466414 464819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1355466414 965650 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1355466430 349624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i forget, is bf joust still borken < 1355466431 319438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*broken < 1355466436 390624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah what is space hotel < 1355466447 516999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as healthy as it was but is recovering < 1355466455 502771 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've beaten death_to_defence with at least two defence programs now < 1355466472 258861 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although there's no fundamental way to beat it, it could be tweaked to beat those at the cost of losing to others < 1355466477 60588 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gregor_furry_furry_leather_discipline_girls.bfjoust" why did i click < 1355466478 817370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit space hotel is fucking gigantic < 1355466491 935190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't worry, it's not porn < 1355466497 456912 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor just likes weird names like that < 1355466497 683809 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know < 1355466499 550664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ais523 is lying, it's porn < 1355466502 328998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1355466507 596679 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "hth" < 1355466512 720086 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than some kind of strange laughter < 1355466521 589119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope this helps < 1355466526 420525 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means "hope this doesn't help" < 1355466528 677595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs space_hotel < 1355466531 335317 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right ok < 1355466561 219487 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's 300 K of brainfuck < 1355466562 482676 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355466563 267562 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1355466601 78353 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bondage discipline whatever is ... no < 1355466608 702168 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i hope this isn't porn. < 1355466618 190716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: watching it may be better than trying to read it: http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/ < 1355466626 57989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is HackEgo not responding... < 1355466635 925428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: (space_hotel is computer-generated) < 1355466644 578358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are some of Gregor's programs; those ones actually contain the program used to generate them < 1355466648 411902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not generated as in evolved or anything < 1355466655 151050 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes yes < 1355466660 117231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mostly write mine by hand < 1355466667 448074 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still more than enough brainfuck for one lifetime < 1355466673 315024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think we should have a BF Joust oneliner competition < 1355466682 587014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with ties broken by who spent the most time waiting < 1355466687 964166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's technically not even brainfuck! < 1355466698 287447 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what's with the numbers < 1355466742 214848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :run-length encoding < 1355466742 854416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may find http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust helpful < 1355466769 350841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies < 1355466769 429418 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just i mean, corewars is dorky enough, doing it in bf... i don't know if i'm willing to cross that line < 1355466780 487074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is one of the longest articles on the wiki I think < 1355466780 560580 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that "already in five freenode channels" line < 1355466828 580372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hm, we should feature [[BF Joust strategies]] sometime < 1355466833 431129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it isn't technically a language < 1355466834 695236 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh, definitely < 1355466852 446348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't because I wrote most of it < 1355466855 946422 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's a collaborative effort < 1355466859 240467 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so how does space hotel work < 1355466862 917048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs space_hotel < 1355466870 729965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm guessing it's the same as quintopia_a < 1355466873 320027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: right, it is one of the longest articles mainly because you wrote it :) < 1355466885 409697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks ais523 should try constrained writing < 1355466885 643768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case it's described on the strategies page < 1355466891 476144 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.24532 < 1355466893 332473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that, or it's an evolution of it < 1355466902 127654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/raw-file/6d523478892c/quintopia_a.bfjoust < 1355466905 207326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks very different < 1355466908 717322 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, OK < 1355466911 91618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, space_hotel is much huger < 1355466926 879045 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the basic structure looks similar < 1355466932 279195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo hi < 1355466933 626609 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355466936 704590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which pastelogs < 1355466938 168317 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/pastelogs < 1355466942 384550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pastelogs friends < 1355466949 895337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing that worries me is that deep poke + breadcrumb decoys + offset clear is not a strategy that anyone's figured out how to beat yet < 1355466950 517425 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.6010 < 1355466971 178091 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from leviathan, none of the recent hilltoppers are significantly different from that < 1355466998 73549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only known way to beat the strategy is to just pull off the same strategy more efficiently < 1355467007 708520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound doesn't support looping zero times! < 1355467027 37941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pastelogs 'space.hotel' < 1355467055 316929 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could try to lock the clear loop; that's how defend7 beats Gregor's programs < 1355467062 983497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that itself seems beatable < 1355467068 101514 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4494 < 1355467090 153999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:58:59: !bfjoust space_hotel http://sprunge.us/hjjg < 1355467090 320517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:59:11: ​Score for quintopia_space_hotel: 65.3 < 1355467090 393488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00:22: !bfjoust a < < 1355467090 393679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:00:25: ​Score for quintopia_a: 0.0 < 1355467092 86862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like yes < 1355467101 658625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask quintopia is the description for quintopia_a on the strategies page up-to-date for space_hotel? < 1355467101 819084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1355467130 146950 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1355467166 33945 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if you could make an abstract srategy game so complicated that lipograms would start to resemble A Void. because tht's sure what it's looking like < 1355467169 200415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not like you can really attack the existence of breadcrumb decoys < 1355467195 705287 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except… hmm < 1355467201 53907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which program should I pick on < 1355467233 168396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hahaha :) < 1355467240 236793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this_somehow_beats_space_hotel >+ < 1355467247 199064 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_this_somehow_beats_space_hotel: 5.9 < 1355467248 263980 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, no it doens't < 1355467251 226739 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only on short tapes < 1355467253 402874 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust this_somehow_beats_space_hotel < < 1355467254 847074 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :misread < 1355467256 281946 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_this_somehow_beats_space_hotel: 0.0 < 1355467313 624671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the strategy I was going to use wouldn't work < 1355467326 254067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :space_hotel checks its breadcrumbs in the wrong order < 1355467388 910851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I can't see a way to attack this particular breadcrumb trail strategy < 1355467397 524327 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, exploit the existence of the strategy < 1355467399 422300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'll think about it < 1355468451 784518 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355468577 139235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust beats_ffspg_perfectly http://sprunge.us/UJOL < 1355468583 340305 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_beats_ffspg_perfectly: 9.0 < 1355468620 591139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor_furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls.bfjoust vs ais523_beats_ffspg_perfectly.bfjoust <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 42 ais523_beats_ffspg_perfectly.bfjoust wins. < 1355468646 505986 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see any way to generalize the technique to beat more than one program, though :( < 1355468694 386715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also works against space_hotel on very short tapes, for the same reason it works on ffspg < 1355468709 541240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but won't work on longer tapes because it can't exploit pokes that don't leave trails < 1355468734 381108 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" oh, i kind of figured it was meant to evoke an incredibly complicated way of arriving at a sequence of instructions drawn from 8 possibilities" < 1355468745 207283 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i'm pretty sure that indeed was the idea. < 1355468785 812661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: oh, I missed the point then < 1355468792 146220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, it beats dreadnought too < 1355468797 202698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should write a program that derives a warrior that beats the input warrior < 1355468798 852922 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for exactly the same reason it beats ffspg < 1355468806 421554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem obviously uncomputable < 1355468809 533673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've had some thoughts about that < 1355468815 988261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there isn't an obvious way to do it that works in all cases < 1355468827 582289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, you can trivially do it, assuming such a program exists < 1355468829 552659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because tape lengths are finite < 1355468854 195264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it could be "hard" in the sense that you could use your (quite tiny) state to write a warrior whose behaviour depends on some very complex computation < 1355468854 363773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355468869 88084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s.t. it would have to roll that inside out somehow < 1355468985 958337 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust beats_ffspg_perfectly http://sprunge.us/UhJN < 1355468988 838482 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_beats_ffspg_perfectly: 6.0 < 1355469002 676340 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1355469007 50376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, miscalc < 1355469011 226660 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust beats_ffspg_perfectly http://sprunge.us/UJOL < 1355469018 333302 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_beats_ffspg_perfectly: 9.0 < 1355469029 487386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, it gets a perfect win against two really good warriors < 1355469241 47303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could use some sort of slow undermine < 1355469268 736031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't work either because programs use a forward decoy setup for their breadcrumb filling < 1355469280 497428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1355469355 295594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "implementation/implementation" < 1355469356 977778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : "implementation/implementation" < 1355470130 288013 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'Agent "Ïa" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving.' >wisdom/ais523 < 1355470133 943430 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355470139 857064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1355470141 55101 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent "Ïa" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. < 1355470338 522064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that really true, or are you just fibbing? < 1355470559 460112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the middle name may not be _entirely_ correct. < 1355470967 127771 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355471000 307494 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355471610 78513 :1JTAAT864!lightquake@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe93:ec71 NICK :lightquake < 1355471889 976577 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355472195 92315 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy Fiora ... update about 3 hours ago < 1355472805 60053 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355472863 259506 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355472932 52758 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355473085 287835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[07:15:38] someone, someone, someone else: that thing there [007477] < 1355473091 445415 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure you want me to bring that thing here? < 1355473102 446707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the record, it's 10:18 in this time zone now.) < 1355473413 754289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0x007477 < 1355473415 309422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 29815 < 1355473461 86612 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355473503 351696 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1355474261 516518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I figured out something about Csound score macros. Macros can expand into comment delimiters, and macro invocations can be nested like $p$r.. and the macro name can include [] expressions < 1355474268 634070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's bit of a shame that even though it's zero-padded, it's not actually an octal number. < 1355474972 340760 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-fe7ef900-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355475035 664727 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355475731 936815 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355475935 137905 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355475956 408828 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355477014 773230 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1355477556 749024 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355477778 979039 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355477893 898301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355479115 279296 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355482220 956351 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1355482341 807658 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1355482363 46894 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :∃ or ∃! ? < 1355482383 526836 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355482422 922366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you unique? < 1355482423 433254 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ( ( oh)) i can't really say i've gone into the pentagon the plane you know < 1355482444 297110 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355482451 843137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ... not sure we are ready to know < 1355482517 132851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I should probably keep a closer eye on what you're up to. < 1355482517 706380 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: not be to their benefit i think that um i guess a lot of < 1355483684 24248 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, monqy Fiora Ph < 1355483844 99183 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"im afaid* so. i think the story is builting romantic tension between us." < 1355483890 627167 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an unfungot? < 1355483891 120065 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's kind of like you know < 1355483913 661316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would an unfungot be like? < 1355483914 78185 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and i don't < 1355484993 367965 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355485928 547032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1355486199 281637 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-33-3.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355486361 382482 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-33-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So fungot has gone into the Pentagon... And it will "not be to their benefit"... < 1355486361 632577 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-33-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1355486361 921069 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: yeah yeah i yeah i don't have < 1355486421 831119 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-33-3.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah yeah < 1355486544 241066 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1355486633 98524 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you, in fact, a terrrrorist? < 1355486633 658193 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well you kind of have a business name or something that i i don't understand < 1355486651 133395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A shady bot. < 1355487037 987609 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-32.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355487494 443180 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-33-3.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355487706 655014 :ogrom!~nask@gprs-inet-65-32.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: begone < 1355487856 367545 :ogrom!del@176.46.3.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355488425 251795 :ogrom!del@176.46.3.252 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355488465 811461 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-45.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355488902 266758 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355489015 287511 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355489044 634280 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, guess what scheme the "hacker genius" at tech club came up with to make brute forcing harder < 1355489058 720487 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(against encryption) < 1355489068 519225 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1355489081 878357 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use several algorithms. Order of algorithms and which algorithms are used are secret similarly to the key < 1355489123 117823 :MDream!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 NICK :MDude < 1355489126 484973 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to point out that that doesn't help as much as just adding a lot of bits to the key < 1355489144 630018 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does hacker genius mean here < 1355489181 251854 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355489185 417307 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, the person at tech club who apparently works as a penetration tester and thought that parameterized queries are vulnerable to null byte attacks < 1355489189 123357 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In PHP < 1355489211 927920 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355489226 394523 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he's really not a hacker genius < 1355489226 921029 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355489230 620006 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a tech club < 1355489238 522117 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Club at school < 1355489259 261986 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it always like this < 1355489324 829196 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I keep getting fascinated by what he says. It's like, when he says something I don't understand fully, he could be completely correct, but he could be wrong, I don't know, but when he talks about stuff I understand, he's just not that great < 1355489339 401306 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although that USB thing that fakes being a keyboard is kind of cool < 1355489353 544390 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-45.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1355489371 351230 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1355489398 512759 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, it gets plugged in, it starts typing stuff to open a command prompt and do things on the system < 1355489468 689825 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355490231 565587 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But when he talks about stuff I don't understand, I just find myself being impressed, even though I have no way of being sure that he knows what he's talking about < 1355490280 790796 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355490311 46966 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355490328 251195 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e876.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1355490331 896319 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4d0b6008.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355490344 457645 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4d0b6008.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1355491303 168741 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355491712 81388 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355492130 376348 :MDude!~fyrc@67.232.231.155 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355492251 287059 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I realised you don't actually break my hypothesis because your nick starts with a lowercase letter < 1355492260 819252 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My plan to video game today has a fatal flaw < 1355492315 883821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is Friday, and it would be socially unacceptable to video game away a Friday evening? < 1355492323 919038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I understand this be the case in some circles.) < 1355492324 621244 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1355492331 910840 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't find my PS2 controller < 1355492347 385592 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a PS/2 controller instead. < 1355492361 145621 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That will work perfectly well! < 1355492363 912128 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a serial controller < 1355492374 257035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A serial air traffic controller. < 1355492522 142270 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1355492522 732611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CodeWeaver says: keep in mind encryption's only as good as how much you trust that the implementors got it right. < 1355492608 118169 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as the implementors are smarter than me < 1355492608 274423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355492613 460194 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right that < 1355493018 921244 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If environment variables were structured we could store PATH as a list of strings, the way God intended < 1355493064 89615 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should try scheme shell < 1355493140 491403 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1355493146 146612 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would SBurb be a rogue-like? < 1355493180 783181 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Set of Directory Names, you neanderthal < 1355493194 522858 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SBurb is a set of directory names!? < 1355493219 444407 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is SBurb, fungot? < 1355493219 913963 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you need to have < 1355493254 432326 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot's right, Jafet. < 1355493258 761797 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to have SBurb < 1355493274 498900 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-84-68.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise you won't survive the meteors < 1355493527 269779 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355493593 170334 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you have a copy? < 1355493593 774810 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: no we just passed the ban two weeks ago in the sunday league and they would have they'd be in jail why are you in < 1355493645 307761 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I approve of banning sburb. < 1355493645 880205 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: supplies that we could pay for < 1355493694 130095 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355493855 194163 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-10.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355494060 829324 :nortti!~juhani@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355494215 627703 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355494244 186958 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: if it was a set we'd need a way of choosing between identically-named executables < 1355494272 617906 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm unless we just run them all with the specified arguments and discard any results that gave an error? < 1355494422 643756 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :OrderedSet? < 1355494432 434314 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrelated, but: "These criteria are not rigorous in any real sense (you'd need a formal semantics for Haskell in order to give a proper answer to this question)" < 1355494433 640477 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ Haskell doesn't have a formal semantics?!?? < 1355494458 817640 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, an ordered set works < 1355494462 363407 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :People didn't want to have formal semantics flamewars < 1355494479 60157 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dry cleaning costs too much < 1355494495 995606 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am totally surprised, Haskell seems like the language most likely to have one defined < 1355494633 137608 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody needs one < 1355494746 147269 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When has *that* ever stopped people? < 1355494753 176504 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kind of languages where people actually need formal semantics are: C, Java, PHP, ARMv6 < 1355494771 839595 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I did not make up those examples) < 1355494795 749042 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how many phd student grants a formal semantics costs < 1355494798 637177 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not free < 1355494861 449592 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP has formal semantics?!? < 1355494861 522595 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or wait do you mean "needs" < 1355494888 1656 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a semantics for a fragment of PHP < 1355494901 959888 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They used it to find a language bug < 1355494914 521837 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's in icfp < 1355495045 110780 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.research.ibm.com/trl/people/mich/pub/200901_popl2009phpsem.pdf < 1355495060 87695 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, it was in popl < 1355495062 839575 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"close enough" < 1355495105 390181 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't we just pay some grad students a year's worth of pot noodles? :o) < 1355495107 466430 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Excess Flood < 1355495139 559919 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cost of the noodles is very small compared to the cost of the phd < 1355495179 960193 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355495302 478624 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: while searching for the paper, I got an Amazon link for "Low Prices on Formal Semantics". Forget the pot noodles, we'll order it online! < 1355495371 378184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ut-oh, checking "what was that weird angel book on display at the bookstore" wasn't the best idea w.r.t. Amazon recommendations: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/113389132/Misc/20121214-amazon.png < 1355495899 34035 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1355497144 963597 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-54-84-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355498084 816677 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355498577 613333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Standard ML famously has a formal semantics < 1355498587 477923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's in some book that costs money :( < 1355498600 840427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mmm pot noodle < 1355498625 951615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll have shin ramyun for breakfast < 1355498646 996672 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355498647 69564 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355498647 69710 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355499003 710574 :marcelino!~marcel@81.180.210.99 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355499055 519127 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION agrees with kmc < 1355500479 277559 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1355500509 129214 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stop making me hungry < 1355500671 719191 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1355501107 114859 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1355501191 849725 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355501765 423214 :Vorpal_!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1355501873 201840 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1355501968 330148 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1355502829 467383 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1355503210 29251 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currently impossible to build Factor from source < 1355503226 269811 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the build process downloads a binary image from some server, and that server is down < 1355503237 62439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarious < 1355503241 863403 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess not "impossible", but I don't know how I'd approach it < 1355503252 235023 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than waiting for it to be fixed < 1355503522 711867 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Building from binaries, eh? < 1355503530 973569 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1355503543 763507 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like SBCL < 1355503596 629203 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean it needs an existing factor compiler? < 1355503597 756368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: not much other choice with a bootstrapping compiler < 1355503598 35944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1355503636 153951 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, yes < 1355503643 372764 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, SBCL can use any CL implementation, at least in theory. < 1355503701 22058 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1355503742 94594 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355503745 73142 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just thought of one feature that Squeak Smalltalk has that the Factor environment doesn't: The ability to, after an arbitrary exception, look around, change things, and continue on. I think that's doable in theory in Factor, but as far as I know the tooling isn't there. < 1355503760 956145 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355503790 63477 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the big draws of Factor to me is the environment, so... does this mean I should really be playing with Smalltalk? < 1355503822 767071 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good question! < 1355503827 734557 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 JOIN :#esoteric < 1355503837 435822 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know the answer) < 1355503841 593830 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :answer: should you??????? < 1355503858 717130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whether playing with clojure or playing with smalltalk, you're just playing with yourself < 1355503908 128568 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure has an almost decent sized community. Smalltalk has ... some sort of community, I think. It's really just Factor where I'd be almost alone < 1355503925 770689 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :making a monads library for clojure is making a monads library for the people < 1355504007 682153 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does lambdabot or hackego have a random-chooser? < 1355504024 54091 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355504025 710840 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1355504028 541961 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#o < 1355504038 345917 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@rng clojure smalltalk factor < 1355504038 503718 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: bug msg ping rc run wn < 1355504067 670364 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wat < 1355504108 698327 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevd < 1355504110 371356 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​RQ1T"ue!5*bdPc|>.,Hc##5A~dtMO,ɹ/h)L@ T.Ldz < 1355504155 521262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355504157 161898 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355504177 563308 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :double wat < 1355504187 276861 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I can write one for HackEgo < 1355504195 632585 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What languages can he manage? < 1355504210 940588 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask Gregor < 1355504215 426894 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a lot of them < 1355504222 316191 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all brainfuck derivatives though < 1355504224 747609 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's a Linux bot < 1355504228 495617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1355504229 891915 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ WELCOME \ 1l \ 2l \ addquote \ adjust \ allquotes \ anonlog \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ boolfuck \ c \ calc \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ define \ delquote \ dimensifuck \ etymology \ forget \ forth \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ glass \ glypho \ google \ haskell \ hatesgeo \ hi \ jous < 1355504230 62186 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`python --version < 1355504231 563739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python 2.7 < 1355504233 706432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see it still has < 1355504236 303911 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`perl --version < 1355504238 55389 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ (with 56 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) \ \ Copyright 1987-2009, Larry Wall \ \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit. \ \ Complete documenta < 1355504240 183281 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc --version < 1355504241 718424 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 \ Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO \ warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. < 1355504242 906367 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls interps < 1355504244 384185 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ axo \ befunge \ bfjoust \ bf_txtgen \ boof \ build.sh \ cfunge \ c-intercal \ clc-intercal \ dimensifuck \ egobch \ egobf \ fukyorbrane \ gcccomp \ gforth_quit \ ghc \ glass \ glypho \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ Makefile \ malbolge \ pbrain \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda < 1355504245 181242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ghc --version < 1355504246 542086 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"more languages" < 1355504249 428801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Glorious Glasgow Haskell Compilation System, version 7.6.1 < 1355504258 445246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thats not what interps/ is < 1355504261 946827 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lua -v < 1355504265 561170 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: lua: not found < 1355504270 283008 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1355504271 188810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no lua I guess < 1355504271 767519 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know... < 1355504285 10386 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FINE I'll use the occasion to practice my haskell < 1355504285 646783 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ada --version < 1355504287 820157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ada: not found < 1355504293 89004 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no ada compiler? < 1355504296 577961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`java --version < 1355504301 198287 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unrecognized option: --version \ Could not create the Java virtual machine. < 1355504302 138335 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It needs a COBOL compiler < 1355504312 279200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sort of java wrapper at least < 1355504315 646555 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i forget what it is though < 1355504325 300374 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`java -version < 1355504329 623052 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :java version "1.6.0_18" \ OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.8.13) (6b18-1.8.13-0+squeeze2) \ OpenJDK 64-Bit Server VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode) < 1355504337 243858 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ghdl --version < 1355504338 687250 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ghdl: not found < 1355504347 8438 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hatesgeo --version < 1355504348 336479 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ This is perl, v5.10.1 (*) built for x86_64-linux-gnu-thread-multi \ (with 56 registered patches, see perl -V for more detail) \ \ Copyright 1987-2009, Larry Wall \ \ Perl may be copied only under the terms of either the Artistic License or the \ GNU General Public License, which may be found in the Perl 5 source kit. \ \ Complete documenta < 1355504349 316287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no VHDL emulator? < 1355504367 169617 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`vice < 1355504368 401979 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: vice: not found < 1355504377 580092 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ruby --version < 1355504381 111624 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ruby: not found < 1355504385 503772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no big loss there < 1355504398 976408 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`g++ --version < 1355504401 640191 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++ (Debian 4.4.5-8) 4.4.5 \ Copyright (C) 2010 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO \ warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. < 1355504420 180859 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, can we get luarocks on HackEgo? Pretty please? < 1355504424 445056 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is there a javac though? < 1355504424 585235 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight, `? ngevd is a link to /dev/urandom, if nobody explained that. < 1355504425 446300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`javac --version < 1355504430 591275 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :javac: invalid flag: --version \ Usage: javac \ use -help for a list of possible options < 1355504430 767226 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls -l wis < 1355504433 912711 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: invalid option -- ' ' \ Try `ls --help' for more information. < 1355504435 177772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`javac -version < 1355504440 459362 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :javac 1.6.0_18 < 1355504442 120322 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they didn't, thanks < 1355504459 516854 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`runls -l wis < 1355504460 462739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: runls: not found < 1355504462 896375 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wis < 1355504464 510678 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access wis: No such file or directory < 1355504468 855529 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls -l wisdom < 1355504470 245888 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :total 356 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 12 Dec 9 07:37 ? \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 12 Dec 9 23:42 ☃ \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 68 Dec 9 23:43 🐐 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 141 Dec 14 07:28 ais523 \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 13 Dec 9 22:07 atriq \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 21 Dec 9 07:37 augur \ -rw-r--r-- 1 5000 5000 64 Dec 9 07:37 banach-tarski \ < 1355504480 679172 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm "debian desktop environment", what does that entail? < 1355504482 578544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnome? < 1355504483 46761 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? banach-tarski < 1355504484 345675 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"Banach-Tarski" is an anagram of "Banach-Tarski Banach-Tarski". < 1355504487 826828 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Original. < 1355504535 483309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: debian default is xfce < 1355504537 869239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it lxde < 1355504546 152950 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or perhaps lxfce < 1355504550 276956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, eh, sounds fine < 1355504557 367338 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3281gSpCr1qhp6k5o1_400.jpg < 1355504578 794117 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, just need to set up the non-free repo afterwards to get the GPU drivers and what not. < 1355504587 135636 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess? < 1355504599 800427 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, I presume that image is not actually an SCP reference? < 1355504607 789024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: depending on yr card the free drivers might work fine < 1355504617 592388 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's the same statue < 1355504623 810430 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's in the SCP-173 image < 1355504627 496725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I use opencl, last I checked that didn't work with the free AMD drivers < 1355504627 809527 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With its creator < 1355504631 505647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoah sgeo < 1355504634 630545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more completely obvious facts < 1355504656 811768 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what Phantom_Hoover was asking < 1355504664 638848 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: ! What is it called? < 1355504701 463578 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, whether it was actually taken with SCP in mind. < 1355504714 507994 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the creator even knows. < 1355504727 691968 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like this, the ETA for the download is counting up at about 2 seconds per second... < 1355504744 6977 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His brainchild is internet famous < 1355504815 251769 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.scaithebathhouse.com/en/exhibitions/2005/04/izumi_kato/ < 1355504878 788208 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 < 1355504884 827509 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean er < 1355504885 982162 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1355504887 999732 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so with Nix, does every version of every package you've ever installed stay installed forever? < 1355504889 956448 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo++ < 1355504946 573975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: no it has a (conservative) GC < 1355504963 68984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355504968 270797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does it handle things like $PATH < 1355504978 549429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can think of the nix store as literally a pure programming language's memory < 1355504980 452478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i want to run a python script that starts with "#!/usr/bin/env python", which python does it use < 1355504996 757115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh I think they keep a /usr/bin/env around < 1355505001 550924 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Max version maybe? < 1355505002 284946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's no way for it to track references from random scripts i write that aren't in Nix < 1355505005 625664 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you PATH gets set to the location of your active profile which uses symlinks < 1355505014 250736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the nix-env stuff sets that up < 1355505022 893692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do this with a unionfs too but they don't < 1355505029 400704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:10:02 also there's no way for it to track references from random scripts i write that aren't in Nix < 1355505039 84074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can specify gc roots explicitly < 1355505047 192254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which happens if you install a package explicitly obvs < 1355505051 361325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean < 1355505060 918133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to remove a package you installed to run a script because it thinks it's unused :P < 1355505067 11841 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not? < 1355505071 917328 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic < 1355505078 576460 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you're saying the things i explicitly ask for are considered roots < 1355505084 784737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: because no package manager does that? if your environment references it you want it < 1355505090 716065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355505091 714516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you asked for it < 1355505106 717814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you upgrade a package in your environment then you no longer want the old version < 1355505110 176744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or its outdated dependencies etc. < 1355505116 438516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1355505159 471006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you think installing nixos on my new laptop is a bad idea or a terrible idea? < 1355505173 510571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the download ETA displayed in the debian installer is all over the place. They seriously need to add a low pass filter to that thing < 1355505175 488408 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent idea. do it. < 1355505185 84943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it's new so worst case you can just wipe it and install ubuntu right < 1355505189 406968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect time to fuck things up < 1355505220 724572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355505244 59044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they have a nice install guide < 1355505251 247729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty manual last time i checked < 1355505331 982604 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1355505398 804471 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-ell1-h-37-7.dab.02.net QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1355505423 666767 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1355505430 903784 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brass eye was amazing < 1355505455 961100 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried NixOS in qemu once, and it is awesome. The issue however is that it isn't very mature, there isn't a lot of software already available compared to the more established distros. < 1355505499 956506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok kmc doesn't use software < 1355505730 367100 :marcelino!~marcel@81.180.210.99 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1355505744 965140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355505754 952362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm willing to do some amount of packaging work myself as well < 1355505768 731520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so what about security of package distribution < 1355505782 11020 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1355505783 436269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, one thing i really like about debian is that they are super anal about everything being signed < 1355505791 329995 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they understand PKI and trust webs and whatever < 1355505802 902635 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355505805 33056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas the rest of the world things "curl http://... | sudo sh -" is a great way to distribute software < 1355505833 265496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think they might have signed packages? not sure < 1355505860 690048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355505861 536633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nix supports user-local installs fwiw < 1355505864 700273 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :securely < 1355505868 549314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean the packages themselves are secure < 1355505877 666689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can limit the damage of a malicious packgae < 1355505880 24047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*package < 1355505890 587671 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to ask #nixos < 1355505897 842257 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1355505898 679985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1355505922 875428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what if I would install sudo as user-local or something? < 1355505928 285658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that wouldn't work < 1355505928 833546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't believe in user-level separation for vanilla linux desktops < 1355505929 385006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1355505935 383341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many ways around it < 1355505952 957877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it works in nix, they have a very well-thought out system < 1355505954 355557 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what would it do though? Just remove the suid bit? < 1355505955 611826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can read the paper about it < 1355505960 171038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think NixOS operates in this way by default, not sure < 1355505976 710615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you could turn off the binary support entirely if you want to be paranoid and slow < 1355505994 916927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :NixOS is actually a source-based distro whose package manager just happens to have an optimisation to download binaries instead < 1355506008 716405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the distribution you use doesn't affect the reasons i consider user isolation useless on a typical linux desktop < 1355506019 351988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also do binary patches which is really cool (and necessary since otherwise library updates would have horrific rippling effects on everything depending on it) < 1355506027 627093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main reason is just that all the shit i care about is in my account < 1355506034 925608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : and they understand PKI and trust webs and whatever <-- wasn't it debian who broke openssl security or something by commenting out some code? < 1355506046 188540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well the thing is that it's sort of inherent to the nixos system that his happens, it's not something you specifically install or whatever < 1355506056 17304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if an attacker can get my gmail password and all my secret files, why do i care if they also get root < 1355506064 574254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a global nix store of pure packages and user-local environments < 1355506071 125804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not saying this gives you the user additional security < 1355506073 605812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just that it's true < 1355506075 637102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355506086 283296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think you do need root to add to the store by default because they use source-based hashes not binary-based < 1355506086 361146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1355506089 419241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what you do to flip that over < 1355506102 944636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more concerned about whether someone can MITM my connection and send me bad packages < 1355506109 895297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which debian prevents using crypto < 1355506123 957141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but most people seem to not give a shit about < 1355506130 795977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also: hackage, pypi, etc < 1355506133 698816 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway you should read http://hydra.nixos.org/build/3479976/download/1/nixos/manual.html and http://hydra.nixos.org/build/3488542/download/1/manual/, possibly in reverse order < 1355506142 960255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't really think NixOS cares much more than average there yeah < 1355506156 116200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least the new hipster hegemony serves things from github, which has ssl < 1355506156 189814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it skews heavily on the research/experimental side of things < 1355506172 770213 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, arch linux does signed packages nowdays iirc < 1355506173 631267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i only have to trust some brogrammers who kind of understand how to configure rails < 1355506186 419799 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that Red Hat does as well, since they are Serious Business < 1355506221 846608 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, it does < 1355506241 321511 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does it do split debug symbols properly yet? < 1355506257 397227 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I know of (or care). < 1355506265 101489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean "signs packages" is only one part of the story < 1355506277 710522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who has keys, and how is trust in those keys established < 1355506284 448732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well obviously < 1355506297 871274 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.archlinux.org/master-keys/ < 1355506328 156572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got into a long argument with the CentOS people about whether serving a SHA1SUMS file from the same directory as the .iso image over unencrypted HTTP was some powerful security measure < 1355506340 824979 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355506362 881999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heheh < 1355506400 917326 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I think it's more of a measure against corrupted or incomplete downloads anyway < 1355506402 518576 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does help against evil mirrors but not against MITM attackers < 1355506428 710014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that may be the original intent, but the misconception that it's powerful security is widespread < 1355506481 590372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does grub error 15 mean I wonder... sigh < 1355506496 54857 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably start actually using SHA1SUMS files < 1355506503 514051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even bother verifying checksums < 1355506508 631581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: speaking of XSS holes in CUPS, http://seclists.org/bugtraq/2008/Jan/270 < 1355506555 669076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://localhost.citibank.com:631/jobs/?job_printer_uri=javascript:alert(document.cookie) < 1355506558 669991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes localhost.citibank.com has address 127.0.0.1 < 1355506567 614426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: A file grub expects to be there, isn't < 1355506595 782219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, grub 1 or 2? < 1355506603 924345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub 2 has actual error messages < 1355506607 816204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why are you using grub 1) < 1355506613 437082 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, why is grub 1 still on sda and sdb then < 1355506615 348473 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :localhost.fbi.gov has address 127.0.0.1 < 1355506617 594492 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to use grub 1 but now use syslinux < 1355506621 930618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the installer didn't install on the right MBR? < 1355506635 7284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I doubt internal FBI stuff is on fbi.gov at least < 1355506642 416713 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Possibly, try booting from a different drive < 1355506646 406869 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm not. Or it appears I am because debian installer didn't understand my disk < 1355506681 78677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: why do you doubt that < 1355506706 236298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, I did, I tried sda & sdb, sdc is windows, so that would be a waste of time. the ssd at sdd though? hm < 1355506733 880791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well I know they have fancy ~super secret~ intranet stuff < 1355506747 423438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I imagine is completely separate from their public web presence < 1355506758 278144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that assumes a degree of competence i am not willing to assume < 1355506775 436869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it might be on a private network and still use fbi.gov hostnames and *.fbi.gov cookies < 1355506779 559896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where is that screenshot of that internal fbi wiki < 1355506784 364194 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the military networks are definitely disjoint from the public internet < 1355506789 543940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, anyway the installer said it installed on sda < 1355506792 850260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I hope it did < 1355506806 218560 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So you can boot into Windows fine? < 1355506812 300224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, hm, yep < 1355506815 338411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i cannot find it < 1355506827 922640 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's possible the installer's sda isn't grub's whatever < 1355506830 282109 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, the ssd says it isn't bootable < 1355506850 506805 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, well possibly, but sda and sdb have mdraid so that shouldn't matter < 1355506859 477653 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it was in the 80s < 1355506866 362325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm booting system rescue cd now to figure this out < 1355506886 696327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame kmc for suppressing this information < 1355506906 548943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess my root of trust for Arch Linux is...typedef int f(float); < 1355506906 622020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f* p; < 1355506909 471349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh < 1355506911 774160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :disregard < 1355506917 647127 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i guess my root of trust for Arch Linux is... StartCom < 1355506928 104308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also typedef int f(float) < 1355506943 951056 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :q. does anyone here not use arch < 1355506948 954238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:41:46 so i guess my root of trust for Arch Linux is...typedef int f(float); < 1355506951 897355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:41:46 f* p; < 1355506954 438581 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i thought you were itidus for a second < 1355506957 50075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:41:49 uhhhh < 1355506958 581392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just babbling < 1355506961 14292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:41:51 disregard < 1355506973 489945 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :twist of the century < 1355507042 363282 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355507070 712994 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355507073 792981 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355507074 25801 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :364) You just went from "no sexualized ads" to "we have ads for dildos, but they're different for ads for Orangina" X-D < 1355507500 7713 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone mind explaining to me how BJ Foust exactly works, because I don't seem to get it entirely? < 1355507531 4305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yeah grub2 is not on any disk... How weird < 1355507533 11583 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*BF Joust < 1355507543 35845 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arch didn't even have signed packages until this year I think < 1355507562 571144 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not outside of testing < 1355507625 373027 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember when exactly Pacman 4 was released, but I seem to recall that at least [core] was 100% signed last December. < 1355507854 500114 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1355507885 832133 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1355507893 781706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You write code, and then the code wins. Or loses, as the case may be. < 1355507963 581239 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that part, I just don't understand when they are executed < 1355507971 451983 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they = the instructions) < 1355507981 313620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :each program takes a turn to execute one instruction < 1355507987 380389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :until someone wins or it times out < 1355507990 887429 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :who takes the first turn? < 1355508013 888173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the left program, but I am pretty confident it doesn't matter < 1355508025 862055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the left program is whichever one you decide is left) < 1355508122 791474 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-55.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1355508178 440810 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, so for the "simple" program on http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/index.php < 1355508191 627355 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I did something like (-)*127[-+] < 1355508210 18313 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then that would sometimes win < 1355508232 455878 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the other program commits suicide < 1355508236 446940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see it wins on some tape lengths and not others < 1355508237 923166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you press run < 1355508276 827221 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's probably a bad idea to make your flag be between 0 and 1 < 1355508308 743187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: that's a shudder/vibrator strategy; see http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#Shudder < 1355508314 493800 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there is a high chance that the enemy will bring your flag to 0 for 2 cycles before you make him commit suicide? < 1355508328 893923 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there is a strategy page < 1355508341 892412 :AnotherTest!~tim@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably try to read that first < 1355508343 778051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and see also http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust_strategies#Anti-shudder_clear < 1355508348 471146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the strategy page is very in-depth < 1355508816 116015 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1355508821 551262 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ WELCOME \ 1l \ 2l \ addquote \ adjust \ allquotes \ anonlog \ asm \ axo \ bch \ befunge \ befunge98 \ bf \ bf16 \ bf32 \ bf8 \ boolfuck \ c \ calc \ cintercal \ clcintercal \ cxx \ define \ delquote \ dimensifuck \ etymology \ forget \ forth \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ glass \ glypho \ google \ haskell \ hatesgeo \ hi \ jous < 1355508836 313807 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's the hill located, again? < 1355508894 670733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1355508894 992882 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1355508981 36661 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-54-84-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1355508987 275523 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1355509381 559886 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fuck < 1355509382 613359 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355509385 747008 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fuck hello < 1355509387 203136 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1355509397 139720 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/fuck < 1355509398 325322 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ printf "%s" "$1" < 1355509426 193587 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls babies < 1355509427 592265 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access babies: No such file or directory < 1355509555 377186 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: I haven't yet considered how to migrate competitive games to HackEgo. < 1355509601 400282 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355509610 605367 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi < 1355509611 534442 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355509617 99563 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hatesgeo < 1355509619 257605 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355509619 413178 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`hi monqy < 1355509621 797564 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1355509644 976965 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/{hi,hatesgeo} < 1355509645 292882 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355509645 364385 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355509645 364534 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355509646 333132 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo hi \ #!/bin/sh \ perl -n -e '/:(.*?)!.*JOIN/; $j{$1}++; END {print "$_ $j{$_};" for sort {$j{$b} <=> $j{$a}} keys %j}' $@ < 1355509647 990530 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355509676 803842 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote so i guess my root of trust for Arch Linux is...typedef int f(float); < 1355509680 712923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :869) so i guess my root of trust for Arch Linux is...typedef int f(float); < 1355509697 297428 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`glass < 1355509700 590496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1355509708 631778 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :...ok? < 1355509712 987435 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK! < 1355509717 98996 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/glass < 1355509718 450847 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ interp_file "./interps/glass/glass ./interps/glass/cache" < 1355509751 431542 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : `glass {M[m ... hmm. I no longer remember glass well enough to just write some X-D < 1355509791 516958 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls *interp* < 1355509792 639548 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ axo \ befunge \ bfjoust \ bf_txtgen \ boof \ build.sh \ cfunge \ c-intercal \ clc-intercal \ dimensifuck \ egobch \ egobf \ fukyorbrane \ gcccomp \ gforth_quit \ ghc \ glass \ glypho \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ Makefile \ malbolge \ pbrain \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda < 1355509822 81983 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $PATH < 1355509823 449078 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin < 1355509857 332929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this hackegobot merge does not seem to be functioning perfectly :P < 1355509871 615887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw how will bf joust being on hackego interact with the repo history getting wiped < 1355509899 901782 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (a) hopefully I don't need to wipe repo history any more, (b) that's the problem, innit ;) < 1355509972 479176 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I haven't seen any bugs in what actually /is/ merged yet... < 1355509980 92023 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run bf_txtgen "do the binaries in here work?" < 1355509981 524799 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: bf_txtgen: command not found < 1355509986 226666 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1355509988 556745 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf_txtgen isn't merged yet ;) < 1355509998 993881 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run *interp*/bf_txtgen "do the binaries in here work?" < 1355510000 336589 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: interps/bf_txtgen: is a directory < 1355510003 671592 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1355510012 737937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You've seen a bug in what's merged, you just papered over it :P < 1355510022 80303 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1355510024 732211 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bug? < 1355510042 863526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stuff that does #!/usr/bin/env perl was broken because bin/perl was your user interface to Perl. < 1355510054 239658 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh ^^´ < 1355510056 92048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks interpreter stuff should just have its own separate bin/ accessed by "!foo" rather than "`foo" < 1355510064 547213 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nurr nurr nurr. < 1355510067 35095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would also make `ls bin more useful when messing with hackegoy commands and stuff < 1355510093 213092 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole thing is that I don't want there to BE a distinction between HackEgoy stuff and EgoBoty stuff. I want there to be one bot X-D < 1355510104 657401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :My point is that there is inherently a distinction in some ways < 1355510107 73381 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could be separate dirs and both could be in $PATH? < 1355510107 144767 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want there to be two bots with a single manifestation. < 1355510122 299544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff in bin/ gets seen internally rather than just being UI and there are namespace overlaps < 1355510159 360863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's kind of inconvenient to have a bunch of mostly-trivial wrapper scripts inamongst the code that people actually wrote for the bot < 1355510164 19275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and edit regularly < 1355510184 50957 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :command eval could prefix interps-bin to $PATH or something < 1355510185 511438 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1355510190 42349 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that wouldn't help.. < 1355510228 187196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The distinction between "`eval foo" and "!foo" is just that the latter is less convenient < 1355510244 884680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though implementing "!foo ..." by mapping it to "`interp foo ..." would make total sense < 1355510245 881004 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*former < 1355510250 381046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er yes < 1355510252 856216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: would that be merged enough? < 1355510261 261149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way you could totally customise the !foo behaviour, it would just be another entry point to the bot < 1355510274 151475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is basically just a namespacing/clutter issue to me, shrug < 1355510293 473140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that I'm not saying the distinction should be "which bot had the command originally" < 1355510300 666053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance it makes sense for bfjoust to be `bfjoust IMO < 1355510306 367297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : `perl, not so much < 1355510317 237730 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir ibins; for i in bin/*; do if [ "`grep '\. lib/interp' $i`" ]; then mv $i ibin/; fi; done; printf '#!/bin/sh\nCMD=`cut -d' ' -f1 "$1"`\nARG=`cut -d' ' -f2- "$2"`\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp < 1355510320 385232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oh one solution to repo-wiping would be for the bfjoust stuff to maintain its own nested hg repo...) < 1355510332 510446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I hope you didn't test that first < 1355510339 311204 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Testing is for losers. < 1355510355 857678 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `ibins': File exists \ mv: target `ibin/' is not a directory \ mv: cannot move `bin/1l' to `ibin/': Not a directory \ mv: cannot move `bin/2l' to `ibin/': Not a directory \ mv: cannot move `bin/adjust' to `ibin/': Not a directory \ mv: cannot move `bin/asm' to `ibin/': Not a directory \ mv: cannot move `bin/axo' to `i < 1355510364 454645 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355510367 619641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gratzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz < 1355510385 736451 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1355510386 780455 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1355510387 783624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: idea: if a command causes a commit but gives no output, HackEgo gives a link to the hg web interface commit < 1355510391 40458 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir ibin; for i in bin/*; do if [ "`grep '\. lib/interp' $i`" ]; then mv $i ibin/; fi; done; printf '#!/bin/sh\nCMD=`cut -d' ' -f1 "$1"`\nARG=`cut -d' ' -f2- "$2"`\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp < 1355510391 112450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can see if it worked < 1355510409 124769 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a nifty idea. < 1355510424 797890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably it should give a link even if it does give output, but for stuff like quotes it'd have to be two lines < 1355510426 855589 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `ibin': File exists \ grep: bin/@: No such file or directory \ grep: bin/c: No such file or directory \ grep: bin/k: No such file or directory < 1355510427 847607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that would be fine < 1355510431 584384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :commands that write aren't very common < 1355510446 191421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can omit the "No output." line if you are linking a commit on another line < 1355510484 235334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively you could shorten the urls to http://codu.org/e/dfigj or something and then just include it at the end of every line that touches stuff < 1355510493 748613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a shorter cutoff for commands that cause modifications is no big deal < 1355510505 95816 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might be valuable to have some very small, out-of-the-way mention that it DID produce output, without showing a full URL. You can always find the URL easily enouogh. < 1355510534 345968 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++. < 1355510535 327272 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/interp: 2: Syntax error: EOF in backquote substitution < 1355510540 379345 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dern :) < 1355510542 286674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it a bit of a pain to find the fshg URL and then refresh a bunch < 1355510547 699309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence why a link would be handy when messing with stuff IMO < 1355510555 603816 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair 'nuff. < 1355510648 641588 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I second the !foo proposal < 1355510652 254601 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '#!/bin/sh\nCMD=`cut -d'\'' '\'' -f1 "$1"`\nARG=`cut -d'\'' '\'' -f2- "$2"`\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp < 1355510655 111099 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355510658 594702 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/interp < 1355510659 256155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Gregor is implementing said proposal right now :P < 1355510659 529221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ CMD=`cut -d' ' -f1 "$1"` \ ARG=`cut -d' ' -f2- "$2"` \ exec ibin/$CMD "$ARG" < 1355510664 351514 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++. < 1355510665 461776 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut: bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++.: No such file or directory \ cut: : No such file or directory \ exec: 4: ibin/: Permission denied < 1355510674 725320 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Also please can has lua/luarocks :-) < 1355510675 623171 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: echo "$1" | cut ... < 1355510676 488584 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at this apparently X-D < 1355510681 62291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH HAND < 1355510685 385751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut takes a file. < 1355510685 542310 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, heh X_X < 1355510705 673660 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '#!/bin/sh\nCMD=`echo "$1" | cut -d'\'' '\'' -f1`\nARG=`echo "$1" | cut -d'\'' '\'' -f2-`\nexec ibin/$CMD "$ARG"' > bin/interp; chmod 0755 bin/interp < 1355510705 749208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I have an idea... why don't you just make "!foo bar baz" pass along two args, "foo" and "bar baz" :P < 1355510708 931274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355510714 728039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you can do the splitting in multibot Python rather than HackEgo sh. < 1355510717 890801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hex editing linux kernel modules to support new hardware, like a boss < 1355510721 96253 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I can't use ! yet since EgoBot is still alive. < 1355510724 406443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm < 1355510724 910231 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: This is a stopgap. < 1355510727 201062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: How about `` < 1355510731 149017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess interp works for now though < 1355510738 400350 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf >+++++++++[<++++++++>-]<.>+++++++[<++++>-]<+.+++++++..+++. < 1355510740 250820 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1355510748 765737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1355510753 181549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1355510754 342625 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​WELCOME \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ google \ hatesgeo \ hi \ interp \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ karma \ karma- \ karma+ \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ No \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ pastelogs \ pastenquot < 1355510768 185935 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastenquot < 1355510769 622875 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastenquot: not found < 1355510779 237053 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquote < 1355510780 255516 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: pastaquote: not found < 1355510784 756712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Where's my "..." cutoff < 1355510788 144827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this WELCOME's fault < 1355510792 652171 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lul < 1355510795 943752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin | paste < 1355510798 458319 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`maketext < 1355510799 455039 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15092 < 1355510800 439913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access maketext: No such file or directory \ /hackenv/bin/maketext: line 2: maketext/0: No such file or directory \ 0 < 1355510813 661095 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run maketext < 1355510815 518317 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access maketext: No such file or directory \ /hackenv/bin/maketext: line 2: maketext/0: No such file or directory \ 0 < 1355510817 535210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it would be nice to have something that automatically does | paste < 1355510821 228134 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run printf '#!/bin/sh\nexec quote pasta' > bin/pastaquote; chmod 0755 bin/pastaquote < 1355510824 274690 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355510828 247157 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastaquote < 1355510829 681080 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355510840 593047 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOW WE JUST NEED SOME QUOTES ON PASTA < 1355510852 24658 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote pasta < 1355510853 381787 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355510856 679714 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can use ¡foo as a stand-in :o) < 1355510857 323123 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ketchup on pasta is delicious. < 1355510867 209184 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1355510878 208783 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: How big is luarocks? Can you just install it yourself? X-D < 1355510910 692631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/bf < 1355510911 188821 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1355510914 863269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1355510923 846158 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coool < 1355510931 385427 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, maybe with the right curl invocation I could! It is not that large < 1355510935 520096 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :O_O < 1355510941 262322 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well THAT should never happen < 1355510957 308432 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: Can't use curl directly, but you can use `fetch . < 1355510968 844528 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm okay < 1355510991 867968 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you jealous of how everyone else's bot is getting all kinds of attention while you last got a code-change years ago? < 1355510992 532334 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm not a racist i just i always seem to raise it around the holidays like christmas and mn it < 1355511006 250631 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will do it when I am not dog-tired as currently, that condition tends to interact badly with installing anything < 1355511018 845991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think now would be a good time to change fungot. < 1355511019 396937 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't remember getting taught in school that they go to sleep < 1355511031 695913 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1355511032 98320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: In anticipation for its moving to Deewiant's fancy new interpreter??? < 1355511032 411454 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what can we add to fungot? He is perfect in every way < 1355511032 900291 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: ( ( like what)) < 1355511036 382902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have to move it to Shiro 2 also < 1355511041 89743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/bf < 1355511042 988452 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ . lib/interp \ \ # Get the bitwidth from the command \ BW=`echo "$CMD" | sed 's/bf//'` \ if [ "$BW" = "" ] ; then BW=8 ; fi \ \ interp_file ./interps/egobf/src/egobfi$BW < 1355511047 150582 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Case in point < 1355511071 150941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Hypothesis: the vast majority of ibin/ is redundant to interps/ and `interp could handle it itself. < 1355511085 403906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cd ibin; more * | paste < 1355511088 866155 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yay, I now got grub 2, I get a rescue prompt now < 1355511089 452241 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16839 < 1355511098 412188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I BET YOU DIDN'T KNOW MORE COULD DO THAT) < 1355511099 542313 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, definitely not. They all have different standards for how to take input. File, stdin, need flags, etc etc. < 1355511101 264257 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: There are bugs in the babbling, I think. It's not implementing the algo-rhythm correctly. I think. < 1355511112 114828 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: interp is just raw interpreters, ibin/ is "make this interpreter take some damned code" < 1355511112 689241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Congrats on accidentally moving ? and @. < 1355511118 411365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv ibin/"?" bin < 1355511121 61734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv ibin/"@" bin < 1355511122 270885 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355511124 969617 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, oops :) < 1355511125 44338 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355511132 951660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Nice, there is an ibin/sh < 1355511137 445167 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Stop complaining when it's SO EASY TO FIX. < 1355511138 54084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was on the path and nobody even noticed < 1355511140 977691 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355511147 616502 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Did you have to install it manually < 1355511166 341589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Anyway what I mean is that the vast majority of these just seem to be interp_file, and `interp could handle that itself. < 1355511171 841199 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, yes, from a gentoo-based live cd. Oh the irony < 1355511180 876995 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355511182 984794 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :816) and all this time I thought we were talking about postmodern analysis of junk mail delivery methods and simulations of elephant breeding patterns < 1355511186 734993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, except that the executables in interps/ have different names, but that seems fixable. < 1355511187 934329 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, still, it can't find anything < 1355511197 162495 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Gentoo live cds are the way to install any other distro manually < 1355511210 450825 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355511215 35020 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, you could just shorten these by making lib/interp a valid #! interpreter < 1355511218 58497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should do that < 1355511218 649161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat lib/interp < 1355511220 2922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, well, system rescue cd is an extremely good live cd < 1355511220 395889 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ \ export I_CMD="$0" \ export I_ARG="$1" \ export ARG_FILE="/tmp/input.$$" \ \ get_arg() { \ #if expr "$I_ARG" : "http://" > /dev/null \ #then \ # wget $WGET_OPTIONS "$I_ARG" -O "$ARG_FILE" \ #else \ printf '%s' "$I_ARG" > "$ARG_FILE" \ #fi \ } \ \ clean_arg() { \ rm -f "$ARG_FILE" \ } \ \ interp < 1355511226 157257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url lib/interp < 1355511227 847451 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/lib/interp < 1355511234 212171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, and gentoo-based < 1355511242 175311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I see this doesn't use the HTTP proxy < 1355511315 971598 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355511321 352367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does this sound for reducing the clutteriness of ibin/: Rather than `interp running the file in ibin directly, make `interp start sh and source lib/interp and then source ibin/$foo. Then they'd just be one-liners. I have no idea why this is better but it feels better. < 1355511325 581294 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, you know what, grub 1 was so much easier to get working... < 1355511341 286391 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355511341 359856 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355511341 360002 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355511342 803563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GRUB 2 is trivial to get working if you don't have a supercomplicated LVM RAID setup. < 1355511354 305768 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: SYSLINUX is pretty easy < 1355511425 957083 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, not super complicated. For /boot it is just plain mdraid < 1355511442 400551 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the issue is that linux and grub doesn't agree on which device is sda, sdb and so on < 1355511470 263427 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe that at least < 1355511479 7431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: grub doesn't even use "sda". < 1355511492 616676 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partitions are numbered from 1 in grub2, if that's what you mean. < 1355511505 920367 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, exactly, but it maps hd1 to sda and so on when doing grub-install from linux < 1355511512 299857 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that mapping is off < 1355511519 805301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and figuring out the correct mapping is a pain < 1355511527 86017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`java < 1355511530 82557 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usage: java [-options] class [args...] \ (to execute a class) \ or java [-options] -jar jarfile [args...] \ (to execute a jar file) \ where options include: \ -d32 use a 32-bit data model if available \ -d64 use a 64-bit data model if available \ -server to select the "server" VM \ The d < 1355511552 343964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp c printf("abc"); < 1355511561 668324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!c printf("abcd"); < 1355511567 562195 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :abcd < 1355511569 454210 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not compile. \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: for < 1355511576 668504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Good merge < 1355511586 286674 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I can get a device map with ls < 1355511607 691593 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I write it down I can compare the partition layout to figure out which device is which < 1355511609 36276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ibin/k < 1355511610 957600 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ echo '!"#$%^&* 0123456789' < 1355511613 29268 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fork ALL the processes < 1355511616 281441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls interps/k < 1355511617 838685 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ls: cannot access interps/k: No such file or directory < 1355511620 869864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it < 1355511664 730426 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1355511679 439407 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls interps < 1355511681 90640 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1l \ 2l \ adjust \ axo \ befunge \ bfjoust \ bf_txtgen \ boof \ build.sh \ cfunge \ c-intercal \ clc-intercal \ dimensifuck \ egobch \ egobf \ fukyorbrane \ gcccomp \ gforth_quit \ ghc \ glass \ glypho \ kipple \ lambda \ lazyk \ linguine \ Makefile \ malbolge \ pbrain \ qbf \ rail \ rhotor \ sadol \ sceql \ trigger \ udage01 \ underload \ unlambda < 1355511688 56292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp c printf("Giving Gregor the benefit of the doubt by trying again"); < 1355511705 217178 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: Gregor: No such file or directory \ Does not compile. \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily unavailable \ ./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp: fork: retry: Resource temporarily una < 1355511716 49885 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat interps/gcccomp < 1355511717 592557 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: interps/gcccomp: Is a directory < 1355511718 927419 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat interps/gcccomp/gcccomp < 1355511720 414341 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/bash \ LANG="$1" \ \ case "$LANG" in \ c) \ HEAD='#include \n#include \n#include \n#include \n#include \nint main(int argc, char **argv) {' \ TAIL='; return 0; }' \ EXT='c' \ GCC='gcc' \ FLAGS='-std=gnu99' \ ;; \ \ c++) \ HEAD < 1355511732 516380 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oy vey X-D < 1355511734 315027 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't that $1 be $0 < 1355511745 895397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::::::::::::::: < 1355511745 973840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c < 1355511746 46931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::::::::::::::: < 1355511746 47109 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#!/bin/sh < 1355511746 47231 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. lib/interp < 1355511747 795384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interp_file "./interps/gcccomp/gcccomp $1" < 1355511750 275979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how this could possibly work < 1355511878 791718 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.172 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1355512128 266640 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yeah the device map was definitely off < 1355512207 924411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wow, debian gave me 800x600 on a 1680x1050 monitor < 1355512219 880609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I need catalyst < 1355512231 440590 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also gnome 3? < 1355512262 833586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you need gnome 3 < 1355512267 415094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I don't < 1355512272 590452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it installed it? < 1355512275 718691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you install stable or something < 1355512277 149531 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just confused by debian testing gave me gnome 3 < 1355512280 504304 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, testing < 1355512284 5176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's testing < 1355512286 927412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you get the install media from < 1355512291 388909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, unetbootin < 1355512297 285123 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :netinstall < 1355512300 306839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did unetbootin get the install media from < 1355512301 113901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it said testing < 1355512323 469506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, the magic drop down box, with the option marked "netinstall_testing x86-64" < 1355512332 525690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway let me check lsb_release < 1355512347 662444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, wheezy < 1355512352 24259 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :whichever one that is < 1355512387 123129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing < 1355512563 496750 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`:( : | : & );: < 1355512564 994287 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: :(: not found < 1355512577 235959 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bash -e ':( : | : & );:' < 1355512578 907053 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: - : invalid option < 1355512579 268590 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want run < 1355512586 299738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :( : | : & );: < 1355512587 838746 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:( : | : & );:' < 1355512590 300723 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1355512593 300865 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls < 1355512595 29585 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ ibin \ ibins \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355512598 382843 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bash -c ':( : | : & );:' < 1355512600 470302 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin < 1355512600 543400 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: - : invalid option \ Usage: bash [GNU long option] [option] ... \ bash [GNU long option] [option] script-file ... \ GNU long options: \ --debug \ --debugger \ --dump-po-strings \ --dump-strings \ --help \ --init-file \ --login \ --noediting \ --noprofile \ --norc \ --posix \ --protected \ --rcfile \ --restricted \ --verbose \ < 1355512602 501693 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ WELCOME \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ calc \ define \ delquote \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fuck \ google \ hatesgeo \ hi \ interp \ joustreport \ jousturl \ json \ karma \ karma- \ karma+ \ learn \ log \ logurl \ macro \ maketext \ marco \ No \ pastaquote \ paste \ pastefortunes \ pastekarma \ pastelog \ p < 1355512611 304962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :( : | : & ); : < 1355512612 969633 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:( : | : & ); :' < 1355512614 97602 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :( echo test );: < 1355512614 963573 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You want to do the command right. < 1355512615 737905 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `echo' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:( echo test );:' < 1355512620 241304 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :{:|:&};: < 1355512621 420679 :MDude!~fyrc@c-174-54-84-173.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355512621 897545 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `}' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:{:|:&};:' < 1355512624 336374 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, wrong syntax < 1355512624 868367 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1355512627 781399 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :try not fucking up < 1355512631 865612 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ echo test };: < 1355512633 554046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1355512643 333429 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :My memory sucks < 1355512644 231264 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dahell X-D < 1355512646 938415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){ echo test };a < 1355512648 502302 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1355512654 796497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, okay this /IS/ broken < 1355512681 893663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run a(){ echo test; };a < 1355512683 608361 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :test < 1355512686 100300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1355512687 946707 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't < 1355512690 841898 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-D < 1355512692 585027 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :/bin/sh: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1355512695 430789 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){:|:&};: < 1355512697 1903 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:(){:|:&};:' < 1355512703 104452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1355512705 133657 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohwell, I'm lazy. < 1355512706 234411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax fail < 1355512707 311567 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn, beat me to it < 1355512707 389200 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needs a space < 1355512716 828325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){:|:&}; : < 1355512718 160504 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:(){:|:&}; :' < 1355512720 563168 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){:|:&} : < 1355512721 608836 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Modulo a formatting fail) < 1355512722 312626 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:&};: < 1355512722 889941 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `{:' \ bash: -c: line 0: `:(){:|:&} :' < 1355512724 473694 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355512727 46086 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are these forkbombs so difficult! < 1355512735 45811 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{SPACE: < 1355512736 260398 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ : | : & } ; : < 1355512738 53519 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355512747 772750 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run :(){ :|:&};: < 1355512749 697435 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355512751 914703 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1355512834 125902 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note that unlike the metacharacters ( and ), { and } are reserved words and must occur where a reserved word is permitted to be recognized. Since they do not cause a word break, they must be separated from list by whitespace or another shell metacharacter." < 1355512847 40439 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run dd if=/dev/zero of=aaaa < 1355512855 72127 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :File size limit exceeded < 1355512859 126235 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1355512869 169799 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: this seems pretty silly of course < 1355512885 401401 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there I go with my earth logic again < 1355512901 189836 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: There was something equally silly related to whether a thing is on one line or not, too. < 1355512966 910266 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TODO: reinvent shell syntax < 1355512998 557214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably a rererereinvention at this point. < 1355513009 418492 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...okay, it's a sign, I should try scheme shell < 1355513025 868614 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sexprs would be a big improvement < 1355513246 267630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls < 1355513247 880633 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaa \ bin \ canary \ egobot.tar.xz \ foo \ ibin \ ibins \ interps \ karma \ lib \ paste \ quotes \ share \ wisdom \ zalgo \ zalgo.hi \ zalgo.hs \ zalgo.o < 1355513250 138486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm aaaa < 1355513253 464301 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1355513393 355714 :GreyKnight!~greyknigh@dab-bhx2-h-69-6.dab.02.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1355514722 707254 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1355514749 460877 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355515121 17678 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1355515200 15581 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355515202 330364 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :675) I have a program to tell you how far away Jupiter is. It is 4.33 units far. < 1355515203 400535 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355515204 818036 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355515205 134732 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :648) i cnat eve begin to understand what you meant with that "one" < 1355515206 666166 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355515208 75708 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1355515209 186441 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :306) 3 = 7/2 < 1355515209 459904 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :33) I guess when you're immortal, mapping your fonts isn't necessary < 1355515210 269923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :793) You can't quote me. < 1355515253 678880 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1355515253 791317 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-59-91.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1355515253 791461 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1355515278 704909 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :either 648 or 793 I guess < 1355515287 21153 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the others are good < 1355515447 881270 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return Nothing < 1355515448 911591 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :648 and 793 are bad but i think some people (elliott??) like 648 < 1355515449 742073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 (Data.Maybe.Maybe a0))) < 1355515449 975871 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from ... < 1355515458 310853 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1355515462 308090 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return $ Just 3 < 1355515464 226883 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 (Data.Maybe.Maybe a0))) < 1355515464 323981 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from ... < 1355515471 110611 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: what are you trying to do < 1355515475 23879 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1355515481 498790 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, nevermind < 1355515489 691229 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return 3 :: Maybe Integer < 1355515491 369063 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 3 < 1355515500 241394 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing :: Maybe Integer < 1355515502 244258 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1355515537 700502 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I was trying to do < 1355515548 972886 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1355515581 802711 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> return :: Maybe Integer < 1355515583 775569 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe < 1355515583 869956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1355515590 324458 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a Haskell-like shell, I wonder? < 1355515595 491911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you know about buzz filtering as an alternative to /ignore? < 1355515599 114535 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashell < 1355515624 247257 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yep that turned up actual results. thank god for uncreativity and portmanteaus < 1355515630 215008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :replaces the text someone sends with "Bz bzzzz, bzz bzzz" and such < 1355515635 205374 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1355515640 799194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know if IRC clients implement this but it is popular on MIT Zephyr < 1355515647 74472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, that sounds funny for the first 10 minutes < 1355515649 885426 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasnail < 1355515656 342046 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION high-fives Bike ,o/ < 1355515658 510427 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made an irssi ignore script that blacks out ignored text < 1355515661 16689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't remove it < 1355515667 298311 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I can hilight it if I want to read it < 1355515673 814529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you resist highlighting it < 1355515675 469034 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes it easier to follow conversations where one person is ignored < 1355515683 861217 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise you don't see where they posted things so it gets confusing < 1355515687 945124 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like who someone is responding to < 1355515698 162354 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I like this approach < 1355515702 726411 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because hilighting things in putty is annoying >_>;; < 1355515706 228208 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've played with Gale once < 1355515708 151671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's a clever solution < 1355515740 301621 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using Yammer, which seems to have been down since forever < 1355515741 897646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://privatepaste.com/9de8939130 < 1355515741 970945 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1355515764 650072 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of icky because I have no idea how to write perl < 1355515796 918388 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's possible to write perl that isn't at least somewhat icky, i think you're good < 1355515806 930193 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: wow, Gale is even more obscure than Zephyr < 1355515904 601225 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found it via Wikipedia < 1355515911 614935 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that is some of the clearest Perl I've seen in a while TBH :-P < 1355515913 358852 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1355515927 551830 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GreyKnight: I copied it from another script, the only thing I changed was the theme_register line < 1355515933 590281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. < 1355515934 411998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik Gale is only used by current and former sysadmins for the student computing group at Caltech < 1355515939 500757 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, yeah, I guess you *do* have no idea how to write perl properly :o) < 1355515946 40730 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfff XD < 1355515946 369922 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, okay < 1355515958 332352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you see that CUPS XSS thing? < 1355515960 614760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems strictly worse than /ignore, except that you don't get confused. < 1355515968 223288 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl being line noise jokes, teehee < 1355515975 163701 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, strictly better < 1355515979 931690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep. < 1355515987 270911 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, suppose someone is flooding the channel < 1355515987 661367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should report my bugs. < 1355515991 726743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in that book as well < 1355516000 774130 :sgeo!~sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way to fix that would probably be to coalesce multiple bzz lines into one < 1355516003 349535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And order that book, I guess. < 1355516011 944214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: or use a temporary /ignore then < 1355516015 887263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just count on ops kicking flooders < 1355516021 454656 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main reason I ignore is because of people who frustrate me or are creepy or something < 1355516025 87132 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because of like, spambots < 1355516032 870565 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since ops usually take care of those < 1355516042 43880 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Hashell "works only with old GHCs" :-/ < 1355516048 208586 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or services I guess. though I don't know if esper does auto-ban for flood < 1355516053 579684 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! the horror < 1355516075 271938 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Upload date: Sun Jan 18 04:12:50 UTC 2009 < 1355516114 84578 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: freenode boots you off the network if you send lines too fast, but there is no ban that I know of < 1355516121 542376 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so just a kick < 1355516149 17563 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the freenode spammers i've seen usually hit enough channels to wake up an oper and get themselves k-lined < 1355516160 85768 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, off the whole network rather than just off the channel < 1355516193 443566 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there was a spam thing where people spammed links that had javascript in the background that enlisted their own computer as a bot to connect to irc and spam more links < 1355516202 433365 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you ever see me quitting with "Excess Flood" it's because my connection failed hard enough that several of my messages got backlogged and sent all at the same time :-/ < 1355516250 103307 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the server sees them arrive with no delay between messages and assumes I'm Up To No Good) < 1355516262 510831 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you mean the thing kmc was talking about like, yesterday < 1355516281 637391 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, really < 1355516282 863911 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed it < 1355516313 475159 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-23-226.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some webpage that sent a specially crafted POST to freenode, that looked like connecting to irc + spamming the link < 1355516314 232249 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great minds think alike < 1355516329 840546 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode now interprets "POST" to mean "QUIT" for this reason :-D < 1355516334 168478 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... XD < 1355516343 311326 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a solution < 1355516346 680624 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :points for creativity < 1355516347 274184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and other HTTP verbs < 1355516358 213158 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact XMLHttpRequest lets you use almost arbitrary verbs < 1355516367 835852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't think you can do other HTTP verbs than GET and POST cross-domain, can you? < 1355516373 993028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without support from the other server, anyway. < 1355516377 888906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1355516393 215659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does XHR even let you do cross-domain GET/POST? < 1355516399 68650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without the CORS dance?) < 1355516404 383234 :popl!~1024@unaffiliated/popl JOIN :#esoteric < 1355516406 30081 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant with the CORS thing. < 1355516418 893747 :GreyKnight!~GK@dab-crx1-h-30-9.dab.02.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :CORS? < 1355516423 13213 :popl!~1024@unaffiliated/popl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this channel for esoteric programming languages? < 1355516426 496737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I wrote a somewhat complicated system to do cross-domain communication over