< 1358640283 598806 :atrapado!~rop@131.6.132.37.dynamic.jazztel.es QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358641179 966647 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realised why I utterly detest when people write "u" instead of "you" and similar stuff. It doesn't work in my brain since i read the letter "u" as it is pronounced in Swedish, and the word "you" as it is pronounced in English. So it ends up "sounding" like they are stupid (think Discworld troll speech but much worse). < 1358641333 406687 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :y u no like u ? < 1358641388 17833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed when I read that you sound *really* stupid < 1358641759 217618 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: So you read it as oo? < 1358641767 54276 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "u mad" is the traditional reply to this? < 1358641819 498103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, is that "oo" in English or Swedish? < 1358641827 527867 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: English < 1358641843 408231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, that has a different quality than the Swedish letter "u" though < 1358641849 634980 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :similar yes, but not quite < 1358641854 631627 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358641872 743689 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is it similar to the polish u then? < 1358641883 58610 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't speak polish < 1358641886 508731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1358641892 576535 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like Sweedish is incompatible with English. < 1358641911 459755 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ee/e/ :S < 1358641925 443289 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter, different phonemes yes < 1358641936 979794 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway wasn't FreeFull Swedish? Or was it FireFly? < 1358641944 733035 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm Polish < 1358641947 856955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1358641953 203250 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what FireFly is < 1358641962 86048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, a person in this channel < 1358641964 544022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sweden < 1358641970 854073 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sweden is the suburb capital of Norway. It's where all the Nobel prizes are announced, except the Math Prize. < 1358641971 520917 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? firefly < 1358641972 859335 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefly? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358641976 968219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? poland < 1358641978 304232 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :poland? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358641983 178644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? norway < 1358641984 522191 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norway is the suburb capital of Sweden. It's where the Nobel Peace Prize is announced. < 1358641991 674131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Great Brittan < 1358641992 787618 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great Brittan? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358641993 920668 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know my nickserv account is older than his =P < 1358641998 863901 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? britain < 1358641999 178999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? < 1358641999 819315 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :britain? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358641999 999498 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See `? for further details. < 1358642005 21241 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? `? `? < 1358642005 820678 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? England < 1358642006 42819 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: where are you from ? < 1358642006 265414 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`? `?? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358642007 156557 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :England is [EXPUNGED]. < 1358642019 265594 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? æẻøđ→æøł→n“ß < 1358642019 936207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Scotland < 1358642020 381990 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​æẻøđ→æøł→n“ß? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358642021 271656 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scotland is a country in northern Britain. It is known for having no true inhabitants. The official religion is hatheism. Phantom_Hoover looks after the FREEDOM. < 1358642037 670700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? california < 1358642039 4894 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :california? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358642047 175528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? united states < 1358642048 547596 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :See America. < 1358642050 351488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? america < 1358642051 463522 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This wisdom entry had to be removed due to a DMCA takedown notice. < 1358642059 55117 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fungot -> no fun -> no got < 1358642061 57146 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, do you want Scotland to leave the UK btw? I seem to remember some party wanting to have a vote about that < 1358642065 178224 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ``? < 1358642066 529622 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​``?? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358642100 135673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I demand a wisdom entry for California. < 1358642117 207878 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? denmark < 1358642118 357717 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :denmark? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358642122 316401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, they had too many drugs to write one < 1358642132 538964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? irc < 1358642133 733641 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358642137 132002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useless. < 1358642144 743293 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? a < 1358642145 853300 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :a? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358642151 112961 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn California is pronounced "Caliphate-ornery-I-A" < 1358642151 292757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1358642154 595348 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1358642156 247296 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri < 1358642163 935179 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn irc is useless. < 1358642167 327815 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1358642171 953134 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is "sprø"? < 1358642179 43944 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :same as the Swedish spröd? < 1358642190 450714 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more like crispy < 1358642199 127628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, like selleri is < 1358642201 538049 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn `learn is `learn < 1358642205 13323 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1358642225 321262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm google translate suggests it means "crazy" < 1358642230 565978 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "selleri" celery? < 1358642237 108741 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? selleri < 1358642237 332545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I would assume so < 1358642238 440974 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :selleri? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358642239 999224 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I wouldn't call celery crispy. Although I'm not sure why. < 1358642241 557448 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess we'll never know. < 1358642249 470673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not a fan of celery. < 1358642305 321143 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate translates "sprø" to "crazy" but "sprø som selleri" to "spröd som selleri" which means "crisp as celery", and it fails translating it directly to English < 1358642311 628664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SPRO as celery" < 1358642314 815727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, right < 1358642325 568803 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust google translate on this one < 1358642340 108275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, oh? < 1358642343 390288 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy eff! < 1358642344 949722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it is kind of "meh" < 1358642345 630965 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It IS crisp! < 1358642350 48153 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not crispy! < 1358642351 625644 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT IS THIS < 1358642353 954711 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE < 1358642359 295337 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, what < 1358642364 712463 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, crisp insanity < 1358642376 111662 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Celery is crisp but not crispy. < 1358642400 972078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, do those words mean different things? < 1358642415 37381 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then it is an error in my translation from Swedish < 1358642418 374958 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, celery is pretty crispy < 1358642423 652338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should end up as "crispy" < 1358642427 697043 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is celery. < 1358642432 334228 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not as crispy as other stuff < 1358642457 203494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, what about compared to crisps? < 1358642474 625806 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, can you get crispier than crisps? Yes, but not easily < 1358642475 987958 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Curiously enough, it's also "selleri" in Finnish. < 1358642477 560895 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also the rooty bulby kind of celery, I think that's neither crisp nor crispy < 1358642490 65601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's seler in Polush < 1358642499 250989 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in Polish < 1358642500 178243 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was pretty close, thinking of another word that starts with c < 1358642542 687725 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, and in Swedish < 1358642571 155235 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That was the "also" bit. < 1358642597 492222 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whereas en:cellar is fi:kellari. (I guess that's sv:källare?) < 1358642601 499572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh I thought it was "Norwegian also Finnish" < 1358642609 969907 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : Gregor, do those words mean different things? // Apparently they do to me! < 1358642612 15994 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, quite so < 1358642612 277551 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it's Norwegian. < 1358642626 787976 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well it was a Norwegian phrase we started with < 1358642639 137812 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well you are the native speaker, I assume you are correct < 1358642653 476807 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no such thing as "correct" < 1358642658 290231 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone has their own interpretation of language. < 1358642727 617029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, by that token I can claim that "ashjawlkj seajfl wask gka" is a valid and very philosophical phrase in my interpretation of English. Pretty useless for communicating with anyone else though < 1358642757 812384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh boy. < 1358642765 179696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one of those discussions. < 1358642780 140346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what? < 1358642790 491468 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"those discussions" are cute < 1358642833 63586 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them are cute, others are just about celery < 1358642846 191099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sentences Vorpal: Transportation for life! And then to be fined forty pound. < 1358642860 137575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, speaking of philosophical :D < 1358642871 835415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it sounded kind of deep < 1358642876 412906 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :transportation for life is a pretty cool sentence imo < 1358642880 940631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it free < 1358642886 327055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get to ride on trains < 1358642894 546004 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, depends on what sort of transportation < 1358642902 848112 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: nothing deep about it, really < 1358642910 733300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: All it says is "transportation". < 1358642912 304849 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, true < 1358642917 756488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : The Jury all cheered, though the Judge said he feared < 1358642917 936443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : That the phrase was not legally sound. < 1358642921 860727 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I mean, I wouldn't mind a free Tesla car. < 1358642955 288863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most people prefer their cars to be subservient. < 1358642956 178631 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: *this* is deep: FOUR SIMULTANEOUS TYPE SYSTEMS IN A SINGLE ROTATION OF THE LAMBDA CUBE < 1358642977 679032 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, no that is just a parody of time cube < 1358643006 401627 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice parody sure, but not very deep < 1358643020 282216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The time cube is so deep that even parodies of it are below average. < 1358643073 34193 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358643354 371753 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358644033 643362 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358644034 976068 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Phantom__Hoover, do you want Scotland to leave the UK btw? I seem to remember some party wanting to have a vote about that < 1358644048 254685 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably more convenient for me if it doesn't, so no. < 1358644054 677806 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1358644073 518222 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358644104 850161 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, no true Scotsman would ever say that! (please read this in a highland dialect) < 1358644304 27048 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: the fuck is cmubash < 1358644320 178104 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, presumable a qdb for #cslounge < 1358644335 99947 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well probably not unless someone is stalking me < 1358644426 207282 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up cmubash < 1358644429 857256 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cmubash.org/?3911 okay this is actually hilarious < 1358644460 758046 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: http://cmubash.org/?3887 here this one is me < 1358644532 357576 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I though CMU was carnegie mellon? < 1358644534 880156 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1358644563 945624 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carnegie Mellon Quote Database CMUQDB < 1358644567 906471 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A CAPTCHA is a program that can generate and grade tests that it itself cannot pass. So it's like a lot of professors." < 1358644589 812515 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, yes < 1358644634 561924 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :< kjones> i would argue that the dividing line between childhood and adulthood is knowing that you can have ice cream literally whenever you want, but not doing it < 1358644639 72384 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is actually 100% accurate < 1358644647 696754 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not yet passed that line. < 1358644784 287026 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>All I know about your personal lives is based on the distribution of bikes. < 1358644839 154825 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, they totally love you < 1358644867 107192 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they loved me why would they use me as an out-of-band spying mechanism < 1358644867 551942 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover, there is some awesome context for that < 1358644868 665676 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! < 1358644879 830000 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1358644908 313516 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why am i < 1358644909 697477 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relevant < 1358644931 456743 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/5731384 < 1358644931 787562 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is love? < 1358645026 14076 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, beautiful < 1358645038 98438 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a few more calculations, and... he was right. If the sun were made of gerbils their body heat would kill us. < 1358645044 946363 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this qdb is wonderful < 1358645074 131425 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the sun is surprisingly cool i think < 1358645151 658040 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Professor Sieg: This proof of the irrationality of root two was so guarded by the Pythagoreans that a member who disclosed the secret was drowned in the sea. < 1358645155 112724 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Girl in class: That's pretty harsh treatment for radicals. < 1358645231 879248 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the version of that anecdote I heard... < 1358645244 200291 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how many materials are denser than hydrogen but not dense enough to kill us when in sun form < 1358645594 694808 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hydrogen has that weird property that it takes about 5 billion years on average for any given nucleus to react < 1358645642 33657 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank goodness there's so much of it. < 1358645651 697583 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quinn: So essentially you started without something that doesn't involve relativity and is non-physical, then applied that result to something which does involve relativity. So you assumed something, and its contradiction. If you do that you can prove anything. < 1358645655 359509 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kcleary: Well, I just solved some equations. Can't a boy dream? < 1358645658 81524 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quinn: [pointing to his floor] This is the Physics department. If you want to solve equations the math department is that way, and you can go to Philosophy for dreaming. < 1358645661 1489 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kcleary: Well, now I'm insulted < 1358645663 381975 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quinn: And for that you can go to the art department. < 1358645685 299382 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michelle Hicks (33-104 TA): Can anyone tell me what the first law of thermodynamics is? < 1358645688 30025 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :msarnoff: You do not talk about thermodynamics! < 1358645689 411177 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this place sounds wonderful < 1358645706 4883 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mocking philosophy and art is so dorky, though < 1358645714 961815 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true :/ < 1358645737 642479 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good luck finding something in there that isn't so dorky < 1358645753 339440 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : $ cat "can of food" < 1358645754 989002 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : cat: cannot open can of food < 1358645765 925225 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you know, irritatingly dorky, rather than just a pun. < 1358645780 769171 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "Don't know how to make love. Stop." < 1358645820 494379 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Story of my... < 1358645822 350252 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shuts up < 1358645871 199211 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sgeo < 1358645872 978984 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo, are you a makefile? be honest. < 1358645906 148730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If I had a ( for every $ [target of mocking] spent, what would I have?" "Too many (s." (Also from one of those shell humour lists. Very few of these are ever applicable to any shells I have installed.) < 1358645944 171399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* evilwombat <2.9999999999 floats < 1358645946 825739 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for you Bike < 1358645967 416817 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it more likely to be 2.999999996 < 1358645978 432589 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...... you are the pedantist < 1358645981 197681 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pedandest < 1358645997 559550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pedentist. < 1358646162 332908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:42:20] ,cc printf("%.25f %.12f", nextafter(3,0), nextafterf(3,0)) < 1358646162 724407 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:42:22] fizzie: 2.9999999999999995559107901 2.999999761581 < 1358646182 327062 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are some of the likeliest values, arguably. < 1358646208 650399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Rounded a bit.) < 1358646213 485141 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't even know those were functions :/ < 1358646341 527675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:45:28] ,cc float f = 3.0; --*(int*)&f; printf("%.12f", f); /* the *manly* way */ < 1358646344 607060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:45:30] fizzie: 2.999999761581 < 1358646443 4414 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a bit too manly for me < 1358646497 617459 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i think the exponent was in the least significant part of the word... < 1358646621 155369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's (allegedly) specifically designed for ++ and -- to do the right thing even (IIRC) across the subnormal-to-normalized border, as long as you don't change sign. < 1358646624 663753 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:48:57] ,cc float f = 0; --*(int*)&f; printf("%.12f %.12f", f, nextafterf(0,-1)); < 1358646627 717317 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[03:48:59] fizzie: -nan -0.000000000000 < 1358646637 804166 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not quite so successful though. < 1358646653 42658 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1358646677 19078 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the things you can do with float like that < 1358646696 445912 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also interesting that the next float after 0 to the negative direction is the -0. < 1358646711 393673 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that surprising? < 1358646733 50188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love/hate floating points < 1358646739 946052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the description does say "number less than x" < 1358646804 236299 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The nextafter() function computes the next representable double-precision floating-point value following x in the direction of y. Thus, if y is less than x, nextafter() returns the largest representable floating-point number less than x." < 1358646811 681451 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second sentence seems like kind of a mistake. < 1358646813 566402 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating points are a very... engineer thing to design. < 1358646827 818260 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now I'm remembering all that stuff by the crazy float guy < 1358646840 721377 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish there were more non-loony alternatives so I could compare them. < 1358646842 838987 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love levitation < 1358646848 63663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :-0 is not less than 0, so... < 1358646866 336214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is also not greater. < 1358646866 696963 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably it is "next", though. < 1358646881 990590 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the first sentence seems better to me < 1358646910 197110 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating points have so many great properties. < 1358646913 686129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can they be so terrible? < 1358646929 472639 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could treat 0 as an infinitesimal value just above 0? < 1358646933 630980 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and -0 just below zero? < 1358646935 499566 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, crazy float guy? < 1358646941 29188 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kahan < 1358646957 211239 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The standard doesn't say anything about "less than", so perhaps it's just a manpage author mistake. < 1358646958 578340 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :check out his faculty page, it's amazing < 1358646969 648560 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: seems reasonable. < 1358646973 21512 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he invented x87, and is one of those people that cares only about a single topic in the world, redirects every conversation to that topic, and can ramble about nothing else < 1358646987 278402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is practically loony, it's kind of hilarious < 1358647025 749523 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Does floating point have badness that isn't attributable to people using it for things it should be used for (e.g. currency)? i mean, it's so complicated that people miss out on subtleties and make bad code, but < 1358647044 168777 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I thought "floats are actually ranges [around their nominal value]" was a standard mathematical interpretation. < 1358647050 303452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Must make e.g. discussions re where to go for lunch quite annoying. < 1358647055 87000 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*snerk* < 1358647072 901712 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, well there's the basic fact that it's generally taught as "the way to represent non-integer numbers". < 1358647073 300827 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hmm, I'd go to Subway, but their software might have floating point bugs, resulting in incorrect mixes of ingredients." < 1358647076 611901 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No, we have to have lunch at /noon/. Binary doesn't work so well with 11:00." < 1358647084 922951 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PFFF < 1358647098 792354 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: yes, which sucks, but that's directly the fault of floating point. < 1358647105 727377 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*not directly < 1358647138 660222 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure fixed point would be better < 1358647142 530991 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where do you draw the line between floating point and common use and understanding of floating point? < 1358647152 964724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computable reals are the future. < 1358647167 684251 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo continued fractions 4 lyfe < 1358647181 603931 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surreals man < 1358647187 213693 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck sets < 1358647203 909218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :surreals are "pretty cool imo" < 1358647208 973442 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think surreals are really computer ready... < 1358647217 976712 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck computers < 1358647221 321240 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck constructivism < 1358647224 818661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yesterday someone linked to http://types2004.lri.fr/SLIDES/mamane.pdf < 1358647225 819241 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all them infinite sets for fractions 'n' shi < 1358647230 908798 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what's that? < 1358647250 590698 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it irrationals you needed infinite sets for... < 1358647252 538244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You don't need infinite sets for fractions, do you? < 1358647268 189627 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you do in general. < 1358647272 551826 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For ones like 1/3, I thought. < 1358647275 35478 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a while. < 1358647288 55602 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that sounds reasonable. < 1358647298 838714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But is 1/3 even rational? < 1358647302 290423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1/3 < 1358647303 624783 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.3333333333333333 < 1358647307 573827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no < 1358647313 863705 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬_¬ < 1358647342 796596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬ニ¬ < 1358647377 664916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder whether my eyes are getting worse. < 1358647382 512720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, there should be a ban on drums. < 1358647393 955567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially playing music that involves drums in public places. < 1358647398 106686 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf you're rambling again < 1358647413 365923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Phantom__Hoover < 1358647438 732258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, people are playing drummy music and I was going to concentrate on something but I'm really unable to. < 1358647443 924539 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is what i'd expect from oerjan or fizzie or someone else old < 1358647454 538895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I'm old. :-( < 1358647489 764355 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or cpressey < 1358647492 152861 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was proper old < 1358647501 336539 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : But the Judge said he never had summed up before; < 1358647501 559660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : So the Snark undertook it instead, < 1358647501 740034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : And summed it so well that it came to far more < 1358647501 740225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : Than the Witnesses ever had said! < 1358647641 600433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you like drums < 1358647654 517126 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sorta drums < 1358647679 975211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not eardrums < 1358647695 137534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or storage drums?? < 1358647707 865208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other kind < 1358647742 745099 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's still pretty vague < 1358647754 211944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the kind that go boom boom boom boom < 1358647768 649678 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a drum, how is a drum used < 1358647775 516720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :beats me < 1358647974 342649 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1358648634 424099 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :badum-tsh < 1358648660 79219 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1358648696 79437 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cymbals are not drums??????? we're not talking about those. < 1358648713 148270 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're still part of a drumset, which is a set of drums. < 1358648719 123887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: but wait what if i meant cymbals < 1358648727 811367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did we ever narrow down what it was that i "really meant"?? < 1358648732 690861 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1358648737 703586 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: did you mean cymbals < 1358648743 539868 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A: no you said boom boom boom boom < 1358648748 449168 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cymbals do not go boom < 1358648758 115120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :O. Now I see < 1358648836 351851 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :{snare, bass, tom, tom, unsafeCoerce hat, timpani, oil} < 1358648843 530668 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait that's not a set < 1358648871 418716 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: nitroglycerin cymbals < 1358648899 268314 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen one of those :o! do they have good sound < 1358648926 72041 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're used in the overture of 2012 < 1358648972 598196 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012 overture? did russia get invaded again? < 1358649112 734817 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The russians now compose with tactical nuclear warheads < 1358649138 443401 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what a nuclear warhead sounds like < 1358649174 465692 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean an explosion? < 1358649205 984104 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A nooh-ku-leer explosion < 1358649264 818667 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it sounds like a thousand trains going by, and then 700 mph winds and cars flying by and buildings falling, and then people screaming and crying. mostly the same as conventional bombing < 1358649391 998268 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're talking about the environmental effects on the sound of an explosion < 1358649410 774641 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if you used warheads in the studio? < 1358649416 286520 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The concert hall? < 1358649432 186962 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't hear anything because you'd be vaporized? < 1358649449 563164 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so we need better equipment < 1358649481 68920 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at any reasonable range it'd destroy your eardrums, so there's that too < 1358649510 806724 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about an unreasonable range < 1358649524 317033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy........ < 1358649526 920060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be unreasonable < 1358649564 880332 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1358649566 664978 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1358649617 123534 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no one in a studio has intact eardrums anyway < 1358649638 933566 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why CDs are mixed at 0dB < 1358649641 565141 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now You Know < 1358649653 355586 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you work in weird studios. < 1358649679 182188 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're just jealous that you can't use tactical nuclear warheads < 1358649852 636196 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mostly it sounds like a thousand trains going by, and then 700 mph winds and cars flying by and buildings falling, and then people screaming and crying. mostly the same as conventional bombing < 1358649853 564157 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1358649861 961943 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there going to be much screaming and/or crying < 1358649903 312665 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're far enough away to be alive? Sure. < 1358649905 340360 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only the sissy japanese ever did that in response to a nuclear bombing < 1358649964 104700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You're too nice for ##c. < 1358649973 899521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered insulting people a bit, to fit in? < 1358649976 125152 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i uh < 1358649985 546334 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :am apparently banned from ##c < 1358649989 703162 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 NICK :Phantom_Hoover < 1358650005 289053 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but only as Phantom_Hoover < 1358650037 219584 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's shakin' in ##c < 1358650068 84982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm sorry :< < 1358650079 325550 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to spot when nobody else is helping someone < 1358650175 604858 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, still boring < 1358650183 890319 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's really just a bunch of language lawyers being douchenozzles < 1358650197 184969 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(freenode etc) < 1358650206 13248 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: only Zhivago does that, you moron < 1358650225 335460 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just hear that < 1358650227 138600 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I INSULTED SOMEONE < 1358650231 248660 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do I fit in now < 1358650234 406194 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, man < 1358650242 841556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where? < 1358650246 753303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1358650250 64309 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to use "douchenozzles" < 1358650253 436724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't insult someone behind their back... < 1358650263 121444 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :douchewaffle is I think my favorite < 1358650277 709198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Insult them to their face, you coward! < 1358650285 175534 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, I'm a coward :< < 1358650290 297231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not yourself. < 1358650296 263246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could use a lot of practice at this. < 1358650301 889250 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :admirable effort though < 1358650317 391777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that counts for something. Keep at it. < 1358650320 286503 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry, my attempts to show dislike towards people turn into passive aggression usually ~_~ < 1358650336 58121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, nothing wrong with language lawyerism. < 1358650358 792311 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"douchewaffle" makes me read "douchewaffe", "waffe" as in "luftwaffe" < 1358650368 428422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got 0x$0.20 for language lawyering! < 1358650379 67924 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of irritating when someone asks a question ill-conceived with the standard and they get an earful about standards before someone says "but here's how you do it anyway" < 1358650384 926848 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the douchwaffe, is that like, a squadron consisting entirely of MRAs or something? < 1358650403 561663 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in this case I think it's worse because the standards mistake was in the /assignment/, it isn't even their fault that the assignment was overly simplifying or anything < 1358650407 475467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I can't tell which part you think is irritating. < 1358650414 287467 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now they get to suffer as people go into a dumb language lawyer argument over something they didn't even do... < 1358650433 342982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. "douchecanoe" is nice too < 1358650448 448645 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION senses a common theme here. < 1358650469 568174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: To be fair, this person doesn't seem to have read all of the assignment. < 1358650496 798745 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess, but that never justifies being mean and confusing to people trying to learn things ._. < 1358650517 52464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see me being mean and confusing? < 1358650520 676537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only do that in #haskell! < 1358650522 920239 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I-I didn't mean you >_< < 1358650523 494889 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff < 1358650545 185824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell tries to hard to be friendly. < 1358650548 349250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone has to balance it out. < 1358650553 731802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Well, that's Jafet's job.) < 1358650765 114664 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358650950 427001 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358651261 746937 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the answers are more annoying than the questions, because the answerer should know better. < 1358651271 950659 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358651287 335178 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which answers? < 1358651302 94050 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358651307 451610 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer to life, the universe, and everything. < 1358651308 631843 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The unhelpful, pedantic standards ones. < 1358651332 967510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In ##c? < 1358651352 885758 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anywhere. < 1358651369 610827 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, explain the standard, sure, but try to help with the actual problem too. < 1358651441 387191 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes someone is so confused that there is no hope to give a direct answer to their question. They have to change their mindset. < 1358651470 429469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe this happens in #haskell more than ##c. < 1358651518 694598 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens too, but there are still bad ways to respond to it. < 1358651553 842558 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are. < 1358651647 771053 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like... if someone asks "Do I need to #include functions before I use them?" helpful answers might include "#include just pastes the file named right into the present file" (even though that's not completely true and doesn't cover translation units or anything) or "no, but you need to declare functions before you use them, and #include'd files often have these declarations in them" < 1358651672 829448 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not, I dunno, "You can't use preprocessor directives on function pointers" < 1358651738 616454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Pft, functions aren't the same thing as function pointers. < 1358651744 55475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :get your pedantry right!! < 1358651865 120173 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there's that too, sometimes when people are pedantic they seem to interpret the "not even wrong" statement in a weird way like that («obviously they meant recursively calling the preprocessor on the constructed string «#include WXYZ» where WXYZ is the bytes of *nextfloatf») < 1358651884 923291 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i just complain too much < 1358651906 328810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love complaining < 1358651931 199987 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358651934 324468 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't complain too much really ~_~ < 1358651951 96534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complain more! < 1358652037 187474 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i think i'm just going to pipe /dev/mem to pacat until my brain melts < 1358652060 404365 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I pretty much agree, it's like < 1358652069 639681 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the people in these channels don't seem interested in a) learning things or b) helping people < 1358652088 397765 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but just rather the satisfaction of comin up with the snarkiest, most irrelevant responses possible that don't help people < 1358652109 560251 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "hah! look! I found a C standard error in your question to nitpick on so I don't have to actually answer you!" < 1358652116 804376 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus their brain fills with dopamine < 1358652246 434218 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's the part about actually answering that bugs me. "Do I have to #include functions" includes a whole lot of conceptual errors but there's still a reasonable question in there. < 1358652267 773751 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also dopamine is overrated imo < 1358652370 830342 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how with the recent question they latched onto OMG INT ISNT 4 BYTES < 1358652544 237128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect you're describing people who aren't me, so talking about how I don't do all those things would be pointless. < 1358652559 674786 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. yes. < 1358652584 572887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it seems like you're probably misrepresenting those people. < 1358652586 231027 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the one who wanted complaining. if you want complaints about you you should have specified that! (this is a free complaint about you. if you want more please explicitly request them. thanks) < 1358652614 804189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's just me assuming that people aren't awful for some reason. < 1358652660 716307 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's more that they don't know how to effectively answer questions than that they're awful < 1358652697 697357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Part of it might be that when you've been in a channel for a long time, you tend to keep seeing the same questions from new people. < 1358652704 645603 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358652708 990338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you get annoyed because you've answered that question hundreds of times, why can't they learn! < 1358652725 522582 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :universally accepted ##c norm to non-answer questions < 1358652735 540583 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perpetuation of the natural way & also a joke < 1358652737 416775 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it is annoying, that's for sure. < 1358652786 445150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also people might just be in a bad mood because of drums playing in the background or something. < 1358653019 73976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be very annoyed by these drums shachaf < 1358653056 709772 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, where the hell do you live that this is a problem, it sounds sucky < 1358653063 441506 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you live in a metronome factory? < 1358653075 698041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Metronomes are not as bad as drums. < 1358653090 183172 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but metronomes might attract drummers. < 1358653193 200799 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like moths to a candle???? < 1358653214 592005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like crazy people to #esoteric???? < 1358653235 364323 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes except metronomes aren't usually on fire, and when they are it's usually not intentional, except when it is. < 1358653241 60388 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like for disposal maybe. < 1358653251 795113 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cremation < 1358653256 304544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Did you play Zork Zero? < 1358653270 279727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or monqy/Fiora/Sgeo/Phantom_Hoover < 1358653275 655629 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358653280 458742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or zzo38 < 1358653281 661007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor did i play zork anything < 1358653286 442546 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've played a bit of some zork maybe including zero years and years ago < 1358653289 869152 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i forget everything about it < 1358653291 758672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't heard of Zork Zero. Have heard of Zork, never played it < 1358653293 369427 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What monqy said. < 1358653296 327302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zork Zero is very different from the other Zorks. < 1358653299 882925 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the only text-based thing i've played is the h2g2 game < 1358653306 31903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and galatea < 1358653340 836626 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i played Shade. I think that's the only IF i've finished. < 1358653351 282502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "enlightenment" < 1358653358 829470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good one imo < 1358653370 844517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of tricky < 1358653376 750299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty short -- only one room < 1358653412 691486 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like shade whoa man < 1358653457 203642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://jayisgames.com/games/enlightenment/ < 1358653466 747662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"wow thats a lot of advertisements/??'" < 1358653488 253687 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I did play another one! That one where you wake up at like 9 AM and you're late to work. < 1358653505 541148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wait is that called "real life" < 1358653519 253063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not text based < 1358653521 30655 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only if you're a murderer. < 1358653523 922713 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a murderer? < 1358653532 683117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe :'( < 1358653538 136563 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Comments or Questions about Enlightenment?' also < 1358653586 735632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember inform 6? < 1358653589 328891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than inform 7 imo < 1358653765 985134 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ifwiki.org/index.php/Aisle < 1358653774 492328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so with this thing it would take only like $500k to take over the bitcoin network: http://www.butterflylabs.com/ < 1358653781 208668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could probably DIY for less than $500k < 1358653793 787437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Do you know Keegan McAllister on Twitter?" < 1358653799 976198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, yes, that's why I followed him < 1358653803 510190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1358653815 751189 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DIY for less? it'd probably be hard to DIY a silicon chip... < 1358653817 285978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually, my other Twitter account got that email) < 1358653824 485273 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it makes sense < 1358653825 153738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you get a Twitter notification mentioning me? < 1358653840 273789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: by DIY i mean do your own design and then send it off to a commodity foundry < 1358653846 139328 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for under $500k? @_@ < 1358653888 394970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not < 1358653943 760337 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358653955 975354 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358653964 483351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what process they're using < 1358653993 230137 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358654004 943726 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get how to finish Enlightenment. < 1358654024 252988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do a 'structured ASIC' for much less than $500k fixed cost, but the result might have a poor price:performance < 1358654046 414814 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "take over" mean < 1358654050 722091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"structured ASIC"? < 1358654056 684022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: control which transactions are allowed < 1358654063 338417 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh, I see < 1358654104 978791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's like an FPGA where the configuration is a custom metal layer in between standard semiconductor layers < 1358654111 255154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something along those lines < 1358654115 690565 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a non-FP GA < 1358654155 437592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :finding some sources saying $500k fixed cost is feasible for a 0.2 μm or bigger process < 1358654164 63703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.2 um is huuge < 1358654213 78560 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like... this thing claims 60 gh/s, while the best fpgas before did only like 100mh/s or 200mh/s < 1358654217 741638 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's nearly 1000 times faster < 1358654238 989 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think asics arenormally 1000 times faster especially if they're on a way worse process.. < 1358654244 764044 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I might be wrong < 1358654295 123657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know much about how process affects speed < 1358654299 859865 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :1000 FPGAs do 60 GH/s < 1358654310 454099 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cycle speed is irrelevant < 1358654311 151314 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHA-256 core should not take up much area or require signals to go very far < 1358654410 201903 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :About 90% area of an FPGA chip is interconnect < 1358654458 594227 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2.8 tb/s total serial bandwidth" @_@ < 1358654462 830551 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fpgas are insane nowadays < 1358654499 908029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like you could fabricate a bunch of small independent bitcoin cores, using cheap fab capacity on a not-cutting-edge process < 1358654511 971066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe on questionable wafers (who cares if one of your cores doesn't work?) < 1358654551 628713 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing big ASICs probably work the same way? I mean they're massively parallel so they could probably disable a "core" in some way or another < 1358654569 23664 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your CPU manufacturer already works this way < 1358654572 578172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358654575 752010 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1358654599 821131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right but the size of die which is all-or-nothing for a Core processor is much higher than for a bitcoin processor < 1358654604 863739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Thanks for that --} trick, by the way. I use it all the time now. < 1358654611 526331 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if half the cache is bad then they sell it as a celeron or whatever < 1358654629 987507 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the defect rates are that high nowadays? < 1358654630 267707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in general if you destroy 50% of the wafer then the product is 0% usable < 1358654644 71739 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :last I heard they were hardware-disabling chunks of a lot of chips because they didn't have enough celerons < 1358654647 698027 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for demand < 1358654653 257096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas with a bunch of independent tiny SHA-256 cores, it might be almost 50% usable < 1358654656 500360 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because their defect rates were too good XD < 1358654657 274534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1358654665 40339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you can always laser them out < 1358654673 680554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 486-SX was a 486-DX with the FPU lasered out < 1358654679 447957 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there was that thing where Intel was selling software upgrades for their CPUs < 1358654683 472061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the add-on FPU chip was just a 486-DX with the not-FPU lasered out >_< < 1358654700 589694 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.anandtech.com/show/4621/intel-to-offer-cpu-upgrades-via-software-for-selected-models I wonder if they actually did this? < 1358654852 887494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh yeah < 1358654857 694639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never heard about it happening < 1358654893 444464 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the link seems to be dead >_< < 1358654929 566332 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358655290 716516 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: //*/ < 1358655315 877973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: That's a whole extra character. < 1358655349 339440 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358655350 8663 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's C for you < 1358655415 583636 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1358655491 677810 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358655527 162010 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358656323 974140 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358656452 624818 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358657101 430996 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358657141 683523 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358657160 509956 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-36-82.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358657211 761996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's the "--} trick"? < 1358657230 875625 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-36-82.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves < 1358657258 248229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Putting a --} somewhere so you can comment out all the code to that point with {- < 1358657266 454833 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION stabs kmc --{- < 1358657320 621670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i see < 1358657354 131577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, right, --} is not an operator, even though things like --+ are < 1358657380 492718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: If it was, I think you could still -- -} < 1358657389 27891 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (--}) < 1358657390 148579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1358657404 168993 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...incorrect indentation? < 1358657407 653179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fix ur indentation Bike......" < 1358657425 292715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Indentation in Haskell translates to {} and ; and () < 1358657431 341184 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358657431 564202 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t {- -} < 1358657432 729711 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :: not an expression: `' < 1358657434 528206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So GHC tends to treat unmatched parentheses and such as indentation errors. < 1358657434 753901 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what really < 1358657446 609276 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa man. < 1358657458 552309 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358657464 808511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a simple rule to translate layout Haskell to non-layout Haskell. < 1358657485 823734 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1358657489 341913 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358657522 349904 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358657745 400959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is one unfortunate case that makes it not simple < 1358657747 636263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically < 1358657759 313126 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait tell me the unfortunate case first, i love those < 1358657784 530259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'A close brace is also inserted whenever the syntactic category containing the layout list ends; that is, if an illegal lexeme is encountered at a point where a close brace would be legal, a close brace is inserted. ' < 1358657800 334184 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :exciting. < 1358657817 290575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 'illegal lexeme' they mean a parse error < 1358657821 745787 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1358657829 501573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the de-layout-ifier needs feedback from the parser :/ < 1358657839 809174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think you can mostly do without < 1358657845 725564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the cases where this rule is invoked? < 1358657937 343266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise the rules are pretty simple. You remember the column of the first token after 'do' 'let' 'case', or 'in'. any line starting in the same column is prefixed with an implicit ';' and any line starting left of there is prefixed with a '}' to match the implicit '{' after that keyword < 1358657989 432400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: in what case does it translate to ()? < 1358658066 424903 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f = \x -> x in f () < 1358658067 823460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1358658094 619072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1358658101 443480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that invokes the 'parse error' rule < 1358658265 960706 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let _ * _ = () in a * b * c < 1358658267 620796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1358658303 122215 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let {} in () == () == True < 1358658304 797583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1358658304 977757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix `GHC.Classes.==' [infix 4] and `GH... < 1358658338 680173 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in haskell98, (() == () == True) is an error, but (let {} in () == () == True) is legal < 1358658347 446062 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Thankfully ghc doesn't implement it" < 1358658373 356440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter parses as (let {} in () == ()) == True ? < 1358658411 273106 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/ghc/docs/latest/html/users_guide/bugs-and-infelicities.html#infelicities-syntax < 1358658424 647156 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"infelicities". wow. < 1358658632 38451 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It's a bug, but not in our software" < 1358658656 28984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except the people who write GHC and the people who write the report are the same people. < 1358658675 323590 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly this particular issue is not present in Haskell 2010. < 1358658691 606997 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That depends on your philosophical view, doesn't it < 1358658725 828769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you cross the same ghc developer twice < 1358658778 294457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Did you see SPJ's technique for responding to feature requests? < 1358658780 314454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/7496 < 1358658785 513559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can almost smell the future pasta < 1358658815 86721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love pasta < 1358658821 105546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOPS:'( < 1358658849 362132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which? < 1358659357 973256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: :·) < 1358659476 804947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"your true nose??" < 1358659524 635238 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how'd you find it < 1358659535 349480 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1358659558 380951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i looked at ⿐ < 1358659583 461077 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good radical < 1358659619 56476 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1358659620 13325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What programming language(s) have registers named by letters A to Z, where the uppercase and lowercase indicate the same registers but modifies the command which uses them depending on the case? < 1358659645 889320 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG chunks use uppercase/lowercase letters to indicate bitfield of chunk name, but that isn't quite it. < 1358659675 453694 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358659802 276513 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :radical radish < 1358659865 205121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean such as using lowercase to load the value from the register and uppercase to store the value to the register, or using lowercase for negative numbers and uppercase for positive numbers, or whatever. < 1358659911 302506 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358661213 283745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1358661285 256274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I a language hipster? I think I'm a language hipster. < 1358661287 481971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1358661296 722291 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Client Quit < 1358661325 107780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, I'm worse with games. If someone asks me what games I like, I literally start out disclaiming that it's unlikely they've heard of them. (Creatures comes to mind) < 1358661332 775908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I do like Portal and Portal 2, and those are popular < 1358661347 894426 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow I've heard of Creatures. < 1358661360 491529 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it because of sgeo < 1358661369 242206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes :·( < 1358661376 274571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops am i using monqy's nose < 1358661386 95802 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ok i dont need a nose < 1358661401 821932 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::∘) < 1358661402 510690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how do you make a certain overused joke? < 1358661416 630169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: have you considered being a language tomator?? < 1358661427 182284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1358661432 409697 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::∙( < 1358661440 787461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what a tomator is < 1358661462 32687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say tomator, you say tomatah < 1358661509 112280 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: who makes what certain overused joke < 1358661512 3711 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::☃) < 1358661562 209205 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was referring to "My dog has no nose! How does it smell? Terrible!" < 1358661567 796918 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1358661637 220745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::√( < 1358661654 882905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::∝) < 1358661665 433624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::¬| < 1358661726 530613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how about: impossible creatures < 1358661730 654544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the same as creatures < 1358661743 220898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Haven't heard of Impossible Creatures < 1358661760 754947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Who's the person who's rendered two computers unusable in the past week, one of them twice? <-- maybe you can be the wolfgang pauli of CS! < 1358661761 71828 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1358661788 73585 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qShEYneiYRI < 1358661797 2379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note: Not listening to the audio right now) < 1358661824 687505 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...but the person fails at spelling < 1358661858 483116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think e's 14, based on comments < 1358661868 194585 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358661872 418232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ageist < 1358662189 579449 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358662738 333260 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1358662812 425021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION detects a fungot failure < 1358662832 256498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION detects a funpuns failure < 1358662856 633714 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358663160 953616 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358663208 310819 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smalltalk and Common Lisp keep wrongly tricking me into thinking that a language needs good support for certain reflective features (such as resumable exceptions) to have good debugger support (such as resuming from an exception in the debugger) < 1358663246 258130 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need any reflective features to do anything Am I Right < 1358663263 92936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love reflection < 1358663264 595718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so easy < 1358663267 630403 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf < 1358663278 783163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it just slipped out < 1358663283 9432 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to stop it.. < 1358663283 847508 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358663308 235814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe reflective was the wrong word < 1358663309 124409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you the fun police!! < 1358663319 831218 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the beaky police......... < 1358663333 252267 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'm the beaky < 1358663340 125485 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1358663340 306604 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1358663349 651610 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^rot13 funpolice < 1358663355 906070 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey. HEY < 1358663361 408146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no springs! < 1358663364 469823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, no fungot! < 1358663375 974897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::·····( < 1358663387 679522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why the long face < 1358663405 110207 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo what's the joke with your misquote of me.. < 1358663428 571858 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it technically count as a misquote or just an out of context quote? < 1358663434 1316 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah sgeo what's the joke········ < 1358663448 225986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fungot failure found < 1358663451 991766 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, with "no springs!" or with me deciding that taking monqy out of context was funny < 1358663455 360103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1358663460 554181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi································································································································ < 1358663465 866450 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: both please < 1358663497 510462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MST3k reference for the springs thing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XJD0GTwLkVM < 1358663528 450797 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And as for me thinking taking monqy out of context would be funny, I thought taking monqy out of context would be funny. < 1358663528 813544 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought it was the rot13 of "fungot" < 1358663531 348067 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it wasn't < 1358663557 378427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that tiling turing machine you describe in the logs, doesn't that require that a starting tile is present? whenever i think about how to encode a TM as tile it seems easy except for enforcing that you are not just tiling with a neverending tape without a machine head in it < 1358663563 271822 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "fungot" == length "springs" < 1358663564 417495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1358663578 942920 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh close enough < 1358663583 202375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you enforce that a particular tile must be used somewhere < 1358663598 823125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as tiles < 1358663637 413719 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ghost ship < 1358663644 479250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo helloerjan < 1358663688 859597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hachaf < 1358663837 548464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the wang tile article on wikipedia doesn't seem to imply this is necessary. < 1358663846 326148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah i don't remember this detail < 1358663857 153147 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the varient on our problem set let you specify a seed tile < 1358663888 301937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah then it is easy < 1358664006 250762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the page has a reference to jarkko kari, i think that's oklopol's advisor < 1358664282 183666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i tried to get oklopol to explain this stuff once. or maybe he tried to explain it and i wasn't listening. in any case i still don't know how a seedless version works. < 1358664804 981015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? california < 1358664809 713524 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :California is pronounced "Caliphate-ornery-I-A" < 1358664827 602534 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oregon < 1358664829 298202 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oregon? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1358664848 956879 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat wisdom/california < 1358664849 849070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :California is pronounced "Caliphate-ornery-I-A" < 1358664929 201810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Oregon is the home of Oregano. Gregor used to take care of the color scheme, but then he left. < 1358664932 461990 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1358665024 126403 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1358665182 958319 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358665303 685533 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358665725 204400 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so jigsaw puzzles are turing complete eh. not particularly surprising i guess < 1358665787 142605 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only infinite ones < 1358665797 508021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i would also be interested to know how the seedless version works < 1358665798 622363 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to buy one of those but they cost a lot < 1358665843 690503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe each tile also has a number saying how many steps left/right to the head < 1358665853 751040 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have an infinite number of tile types but it's still r.e. < 1358665886 593610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember exactly what the wang tiles problem statement is < 1358665918 533417 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Tesselation is a dick" < 1358665973 429112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hmm but how do you encode allowing adjacency of a specific arbitrary subset of other pieces using the conventional notion of "jigsaw puzzle" < 1358665983 808869 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Wang's proof was wrong < 1358666009 329027 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should have been called Berger tiles or something < 1358666019 243837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc this stuff comes up in practice with DNA / RNA computing < 1358666029 307081 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bla bla Stigler < 1358666046 87010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe the computing part isn't too interesting, but you can attach your nucleic acids chains to other molecules and thereby get them to self-assemble < 1358666046 894317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything in mathematics is named after different people; I read this in some book. < 1358666054 241286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in mathematics is named after gauss < 1358666101 439858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my knowledge of this DNA self assembly thing is at "walked by a poster in a CS building six years ago" level < 1358666103 956981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : this is what i'd expect from oerjan or fizzie or someone else old <-- I'M ALL WITH SHACHAF ON THE DRUM THING < 1358666105 301577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, different people than what some people think it should be. < 1358666116 832978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, if they are all same then it is difficult. So, they have to make it different. < 1358666134 574816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: in Holland the Curry-Howard Isomorphism is the Curry-Howard-de Bruijn Isomorphism < 1358666184 85724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: OK < 1358666206 327011 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :de bruijn has indices anyway < 1358666208 175139 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how long the DNA analogues take to self-assemble < 1358666223 206658 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also a Curry–Howard–Lambek correspondence < 1358666224 319342 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably don't assemble correctly and can't backtrack < 1358666249 228726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a three-way correspondence between logic, types, and cartesian closed caterogies < 1358666256 69171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :categories too < 1358666258 747449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat orgies < 1358666270 202243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: given that there are a finite number of tile types, i am pretty sure you could not encode distance from the head in any meaningful way. < 1358666295 632874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, i didn't know if we were talking about a problem with a finite tile set or just a computable or even r.e. tile set < 1358666308 102988 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1358666312 778840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly finite, otherwise it would be trivial. < 1358666320 504080 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah? < 1358666403 923379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_problem and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wang_tiles clearly say finite. < 1358666429 980815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm right you could just have the whole state in one tile < 1358666458 548118 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The equivalence proof is probably similar to that for postcard systems < 1358666468 719203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it wasn't finite, all you needed to do was to encode (m,n) as part of the tile and throw out all at (0,0) that weren't your original seed tile < 1358666513 780979 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to reduce to the seeded version < 1358666689 878674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : quintopia: hmm but how do you encode allowing adjacency of a specific arbitrary subset of other pieces using the conventional notion of "jigsaw puzzle" <-- i don't think it's too hard to recode color + intended NESW direction as a geometric pattern on the sides so that only N+S with matching colors can fit together, etc. < 1358666845 292898 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1358666930 381446 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1358666976 166838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm right with wang tilings there is only one allowed color, not a set < 1358666985 954373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can reduce a set to single colors easily < 1358667026 446030 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_correspondence_problem#Proof_sketch_of_undecidability < 1358667028 13071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358667139 928788 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1358667259 132641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's another fun problem but i'm not sure how much light it sheds on the wang tilings proof at the level of specificity we're talking < 1358667329 342309 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358667345 468935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PCP decision problem is a global property of the configuration of dominoes < 1358667376 95131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wang tile problem is a local property of every pair of adjacent tiles < 1358667385 177113 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1358667608 955000 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The proof construction only encodes every sequence of three state transitions < 1358667616 96399 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358667617 678190 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty local < 1358667630 4541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not talking about the proof construction < 1358667630 184996 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358667630 365064 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or actually one state transition < 1358667631 94801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if you did the PCP with a two-sided _infinite_ string, it would have a similar problem. < 1358667650 616403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking about the decision problem itself < 1358667656 305817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignoring anything to do with turing machines < 1358667684 631339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition of the post correspondence problem < 1358667709 330404 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you stick together tiles such that the top string and the bottom string match? < 1358667721 165081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the top string and the bottom string are properties of the whole configuration < 1358667735 147683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they can get arbitrarily far out of sync and then come together at the end < 1358667748 15264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't just look at a neighborhood of 2 or n dominoes and say whether they could appear together or not < 1358667881 463874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is unusually ontopic especially for me < 1358667888 951381 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second dimension could be considered as the global constraint < 1358667895 819284 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah for the days when designing an esolang and proving it TC would get you a PhD < 1358667925 255862 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it could still get you a PhD < 1358667932 443490 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just has to be more interesting than a brainfuck derivative < 1358667956 257970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the first documented brainfuck-like language arose this way < 1358667973 80851 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bohm: "yo dawg" < 1358667990 162519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to sleep, 'night all < 1358668659 659176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: Thanks for that --} trick, by the way. I use it all the time now. <-- yay < 1358668676 243004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should use it myself some time. < 1358668690 227491 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn it I keep mixing up oerjan and oklopol :( < 1358668730 189147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is so e*hit by falling anvil* < 1358668810 384989 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's very easy to show tiling is undecidable with a seed tile, but otherwise things are complicated by the fact that if you're going to actually draw runs of a turing machine, you have to have a seed tile in every large enough pattern or there is a configuration without it < 1358668838 492600 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular things like " maybe each tile also has a number saying how many steps left/right to the head" cannot be made to work < 1358668929 957510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloerjan < 1358668938 656724 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the three basic techniques of making an aperiodic tiling can be easily turned into undecidability proofs < 1358668998 257269 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1) robinson tilings, small set of tiles that, by a simple induction, just happen to draw nested, bigger and bigger, rectangles. you run a turing machine in every rectangle. < 1358669167 695159 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :2) self-similar tilesets. make a tile set that, just kinda in a brute force way, draws a periodic base tiling, on top of which, in each repeated pattern, a zone containing a turing maching and wires that connect it to its neighbors < 1358669213 760957 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, the program this turing machine runs simulates a tiling like itself, with a larger computation zone (which simulates a tiling like itself with a larger computation zone, which...). < 1358669234 251102 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can imagine that's a bit hard to set up, but it's pretty neat. < 1358669338 158372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1358669353 512508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have added multiple selection questions into Internet Quiz Engine. < 1358669374 296510 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3) Beatty sequences (my supervisor's technique :P), which is the only technique that isn't in any sense self-similar (although it relies on an undecidable property of turing machines whose proof is really hard). < 1358669394 570696 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and which is kinda "self-similar", because it's really really recursive) < 1358669535 249972 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is the only one whose proof doesn't require a horribly long case analysis which is omitted in all expositions that are under 30 pages. < 1358669631 697298 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper that does 2 just basically says what i said, plus they explain why a turing machine has time to set up this recursion. < 1358669650 727431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1358669651 976065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :--> < 1358669727 832790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can circle item #014 on my comparison chart. < 1358669752 313694 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original proof of 1 is like 50 pages, but it can be done in a less painful way < 1358669783 49460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also corrected a few other mistakes in the program, such as one mistake in the logic for doing time limits. < 1358669786 347063 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's perhaps the easiest to check completely, in the sense that 3 requires you to check an old result on turing machines which everyone is afraid of < 1358669810 516956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is everyone afraid of? < 1358669839 731326 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because god is here < 1358669974 627417 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's a program written in 1966. < 1358669991 411187 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the ancient programming language called the turing machine. < 1358670067 851778 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2269811?uid=3737976&uid=2&uid=4&sid=21101682430267 < 1358670131 200450 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a CS paper on JSTOR, now that is old < 1358670595 496773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: wow < 1358670953 579 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :PCP is also something that's studied a lot in our university < 1358670961 958685 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358670988 684658 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_correspondence_problem halava and hirvensalo are from here, salomaa is too but he's a bit old now. < 1358671017 493413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bike: Indentation in Haskell translates to {} and ; and () <-- no () actually < 1358671047 321393 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can imagine it was hard to keep the lecture that short < 1358671070 479690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right. < 1358671085 89888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mentioned () because GHC gives indentation errors on unmatched ( < 1358671092 110053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's not actually part of the layout. < 1358671137 851863 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PCP undecidability proof is much easier than the tiling thing < 1358671164 806484 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tilings in general have the problem that it's fun to come up with tilings with some properties, but they are roughly as hard to verify as they are to come up with. < 1358671168 73892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION recalls how PCP can be encoded in the ambiguity problem of CF grammars < 1358671185 866239 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can just directly draw a sequence of turing machine configurations on the top row < 1358671188 909929 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :separated by # < 1358671204 26862 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3 < 1358671205 516761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:3: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1358671216 671348 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have the row under it actually contain the bottoms of tiles which are currently writing the next configuration on the top row < 1358671222 9327 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can compare two rows locally < 1358671228 738173 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1358671230 703265 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :two configurations < 1358671244 485955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i don't think ghc is trying to be too clever about understanding where indentation makes sense < 1358671270 117992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1358671307 668328 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, anyway i have two colleagues which are, independently, constructing more and more complicated tile sets solving more and more complicated problems, which are harder and harder to explain. i try to stay away from that stuff. < 1358671329 333967 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean both are constructing a single tiling, which they still haven't published. < 1358671348 153113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a mathematical black hole? :) < 1358671351 344471 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1358671400 702745 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :although we are publishing a paper with some tiling constructions now, but they are just fun little geometric things, so there's a chance someone reads them. < 1358671465 729735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do [1]; [2] in "hi" < 1358671466 896755 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:13: parse error on input `in' < 1358671500 240192 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a result that the if S is a countable Pi^0_1 set with cantor-bendixson rank \lambda, then there's a tile set with countably many tilings whose cantro-bendixson ran is \lambda+12. we do \lambda+5 so it's revolutionary. < 1358671508 344943 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cantor < 1358671517 78099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1358671530 47173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sidles away carefully < 1358671573 777980 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus we do some other things < 1358671614 385360 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cantor-bendixson ranks are awesome really < 1358671658 929997 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i mention that in the conference proceedings of automata 2012, we wrote that as cantor-bendixon throughout < 1358671677 541560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : otherwise the rules are pretty simple. You remember the column of the first token after 'do' 'let' 'case', or 'in'. [...] <-- of, not case, at least before they introduced lambdacase < 1358671679 47601 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :very professional < 1358671686 427122 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay now i'm done < 1358671710 901986 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll go do some game programming now. < 1358671719 595978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1358671735 603776 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ya < 1358671896 930072 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er yeah < 1358671897 701001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1358671909 194115 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are bad at sleeping < 1358671924 727177 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: that stuff about aperiodic tilings is very interesting, thanks for explaining in some more detail & pointing the way to find more info < 1358671933 817968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1358671952 111777 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a variety of factors have conspired to keep me awake < 1358671958 525126 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no prob. it's one of my favorite topic in the world. laso i'm bad at leaving. < 1358671959 766823 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1358671982 982342 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :topics < 1358671991 134151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: was it drums < 1358671998 274814 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1358672008 550975 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you really hate drums < 1358672011 932002 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"drums did 9/11" < 1358672031 601235 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1358672037 288810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :far away from the boom boom boom of the drummer / it was midsummer / what a bummer / clementine < 1358672042 570357 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drums are ok in moderation. when used with restraint. when supervised by an adult < 1358672065 830357 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irresponsible adults do not count < 1358672086 388483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there should be background checks and a waiting period to buy drums < 1358672100 137605 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a good idea < 1358672101 306516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :drums don't keep people awake. people keep people awake < 1358672136 280418 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of the time i was trying to get to sleep but people kept firing fireworks. I was in ohio not california. I don't have that problem here. < 1358672145 560849 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's nasty!!! < 1358672162 454222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw my rhyme is like the one from that one song by cole porter < 1358672166 993364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really by tom lehrer < 1358672173 243628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just in case you didn't notice < 1358672180 285591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googled it < 1358672217 657543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yeah in summer 2011 my neighbors spent the entire month of june setting off fireworks < 1358672232 874571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: what were you doing in ohio?? < 1358672237 376791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was afraid that for july 4 they would blow up my entire house with a fuel air bomb or something < 1358672258 394854 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: non-immediate family < 1358672276 72625 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in ohio once but just at an airport < 1358672317 522595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the factors is that the circuit breakr for my room keeps tripping and i have to get up and reset it < 1358672336 464728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is not much load on this circuit at all, and nothing has changed recently < 1358672359 424262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :although partially I must take my housemate's word for that; perhaps he's started clandestine marijuana cultivation in his room < 1358672366 267923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems unlikely tho < 1358672373 955609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it is a bad arc fault detector < 1358672537 523259 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358672627 492840 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358672736 104959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh oh, your housemate might be engaging in interstate commerce? < 1358672781 22920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's trouble < 1358672913 221000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good goatkcd today < 1358673113 465582 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: imo < 1358673342 897910 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1358674562 608518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually this is kind of an unusual xkcd < 1358674599 136444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually the drawing is the joke and the text underneath is an unfunny explanation of the joke < 1358674602 723300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this time it's the other way around < 1358674618 970400 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358674637 997633 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1358674833 601910 :impomatic!~john_metc@211.67.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358675040 823223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to try again to sleep < 1358675118 835361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who's going to reset the circuit breaker without you? < 1358675197 654064 :fungot!fis@selene.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1358675377 838884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks monqy < 1358675390 338072 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok?? < 1358675654 960451 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358675671 678106 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358675678 391670 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1358676475 509510 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1358676558 546780 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1358676571 466667 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since when did xkcd have only one alt text < 1358676583 754057 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Damn sellouts" < 1358676592 77998 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oglaf still has two) < 1358676638 172509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :qwantz.com has three < 1358676642 238531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I read qwantz.com < 1358676675 511865 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you see the second alt text? hover a second mouse over the image? < 1358676800 551733 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hover 2 mouses over the image? < 1358676830 14562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I'm not sure whether you're a cheap plastic imitation of oerjan or of oklopol. < 1358676960 933561 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: one of my alt texts has the answer < 1358677046 496198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the other one has the other answer? < 1358677097 730853 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other ones have the other answers, yes... in fact, they all have different answers < 1358677295 643962 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: What you get when you hover the mouse over the image is the title text, not the alt text < 1358677295 871812 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt text is what displays if the image doesn't load < 1358677296 856786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :To read the alt text on oglaf, you have to either read it quickly before the comic loads, or look at the source < 1358677415 148936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, you know, use a browser that doesn't display images. < 1358678567 68025 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358679385 34308 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1358679385 334666 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1358680169 544487 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@dsl-olubrasgw2-58c0c6-161.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1358680249 776239 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gergo.erdi.hu/blog/2013-01-19-a_brainfuck_cpu_in_fpga/ < 1358680283 641900 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why would a browser that doesn't display images load the image? < 1358680427 821835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1358680453 235288 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: pretty sure the point is that it doesn't display images, so you can see their alt texts < 1358680529 242606 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: You still want to see the comics though < 1358680541 725110 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1358680543 770127 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you < 1358680606 520766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of alt texts. I can't read them on the phone (at least not in chrome for android), which makes reading xkcd from the phone totally pointless < 1358680617 4761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear you don't want to see oglaf. at least not while at work. < 1358680873 61564 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1358681056 770675 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358681115 52802 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1358681468 609158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358681493 216635 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358681507 630044 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1358681540 129912 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358681639 784399 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1358682621 222854 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1358683308 536763 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358683508 519305 :Yamakazi!~Yamakazi@180.246.58.212 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358683561 856819 :Yamakazi!~Yamakazi@180.246.58.212 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ii < 1358683591 900621 :Yamakazi!~Yamakazi@180.246.58.212 PART :#esoteric < 1358684071 927601 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1358684181 428282 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1358684367 682267 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1358684755 820754 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358684892 526308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1358685479 31951 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358686292 333036 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1358686702 349162 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, why do I have a sit0 interface stuck in "UP" state with the addresses ::192.168.1.40/96 and ::127.0.0.1/96. ifconfig sit0 down does nothing... < 1358686705 741947 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strange < 1358686908 601495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :# ip link delete sit0 < 1358686908 811325 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :RTNETLINK answers: Operation not supported < 1358686920 312849 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that explains why it didn't work, no idea why it didn't work though < 1358686948 796313 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric : well that explains why it didn't work, no idea why it didn't work though < 1358686954 912501 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think about what you just said < 1358686992 850485 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 NICK :Taneb|Away < 1358687092 270661 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb|Away, okay "no idea why it isn't supported though" < 1358687099 823840 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a better way to express that < 1358688020 703811 :Taneb|Away!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 NICK :Taneb < 1358688267 628764 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1358688634 134177 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1358688909 710351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358688974 240937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: messages? < 1358688978 962898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1358689006 908382 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no < 1358689013 986001 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 That totally sucks! < 1358689014 166194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1358689052 984669 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358689057 470455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hi < 1358689089 645704 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358689118 42964 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you give tmux to bind S it binds 's', but if you give it S- it binds 'Shift' <.< < 1358689275 686669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1358689275 867051 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1358689279 726048 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@clear-messages < 1358689279 905652 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Messages cleared. < 1358690339 846867 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358690370 634283 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358690601 994819 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358690802 809965 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358691240 627922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter, ouch < 1358692442 739263 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think I've found someone who had the same problem as I do < 1358692800 927819 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: So bind S-s? < 1358692998 505904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, what if you want a lower case s specifically? < 1358693011 727295 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Then just s? < 1358693041 435162 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, lowercase s and a 8 at the same time, s-8? < 1358693052 903912 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that not work according to c00kiemon5ter ? < 1358693074 935078 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can bind chords in any case... < 1358693098 713327 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1358693211 109975 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no distinction between lowercase and uppercase < 1358693218 191618 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-a is the same as C-A < 1358693279 341130 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :In :list-keys I have some different bindings for lower and upper case: D, L, and U are different from d, l, and u < 1358693305 157141 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to work like that here < 1358693366 918781 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it does! < 1358693705 190306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is tmux btw? < 1358693713 371837 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: C-A would be with shift < 1358693713 814904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like screen? < 1358693720 630066 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes. < 1358693730 783742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do they differ? < 1358693753 156815 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ screen < 1358693754 936791 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :$TERM too long - sorry. < 1358693756 976028 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux doesn't do that < 1358693784 459975 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux supports unicode above the BMP < 1358693794 698282 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux is less bloated < 1358693807 992284 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux supports horizontal splitting without any patches < 1358693817 797163 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :tmux is also MIT licensed iirc < 1358693825 527437 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD < 1358693861 898571 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :BSD right, it is mainly developed by the OpenBSD people < 1358693889 850919 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/p/tmux/tmux-code/ci/master/tree/FAQ Read the first question < 1358693894 707904 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the answer of course < 1358694111 993886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Hah, what's your $TERM? < 1358694124 419976 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: rxvt-unicode-256color < 1358694138 298404 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Doesn't fit in the char[20] of older screens < 1358694145 232299 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It was fixed by making it char[40] IIRC < 1358694210 685038 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems to be char[128] in tmux < 1358694218 942397 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one thing screen does that I would like in tmux is re-painting the terminal according to the new size < 1358694247 86487 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie if you resize a terminal running screen, which had a wrapped line, then the line unfolds < 1358694259 782444 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :on tmux the line be as it was < 1358694286 779474 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you shrink the terminal with tmux, the line will be hidden, < 1358694292 902687 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :with screen the line will wrap < 1358694556 973727 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1358694685 753875 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Bravo! You have just written Forth in Brainfuck written in Forth." < 1358695986 605685 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying that you can't use ping when testing a -m owner --uid style iptables rule < 1358698603 309964 :Taneb!02619461@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.97.148.97 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358698786 693625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn Coq < 1358698804 201528 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I can get over my prejudices of "I only want to learn languages that I can write general purpose programs in!" < 1358698824 303159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: general purpose programs are actually quite hard to write, and not very useful when you do < 1358698827 730660 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write general purpose programs in coq!!! < 1358698831 117421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programs that do something in particular tend to be more useful < 1358698837 214571 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and often you can find a language to fit them < 1358698862 723377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, do implementations of computer languages count as general purpose programs? < 1358698902 791473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some general purpose prorgams written in coq < 1358698905 360001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance a C compiler < 1358698920 312790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://compcert.inria.fr/ < 1358698925 314073 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, that struck me as the most obvious way to write a general purpose program < 1358699256 235348 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of languages get used in life-or-death situations like medical equipment? < 1358699259 118792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Statically typed? < 1358699318 31606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.foo.be/docs/tpj/issues/vol2_1/tpj0201-0004.html < 1358699323 229904 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rigorously tested ones, i hope < 1358699324 119674 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: random win32 stuff written in C++, that can't be updated ever because only one version of it was certified < 1358699329 13585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's scary < 1358699356 636853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah lab equipment (NMR machine etc) is often infested with malware because they can't upgrade the Windows XP instal < 1358699367 977212 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358699372 419271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the network admins just firewall it off as best they can < 1358699377 536547 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: XP? 2000 is more common, or 3.1 < 1358699379 794457 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, seen it, I assume it's not real based on the comment about "April, toward the beginning of the month." < 1358699384 420806 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to go < 1358699389 826294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1358699424 380704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therac-25 < 1358699669 882904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I mentioned the Berkely accelerator radiotherapy thing lately? < 1358701136 137783 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1358702007 338143 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358702737 640537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the canonical thing to do in an imperative language like Smalltalk for the use cases that list comprehensions have? Nested loops with the innermost one writing to an object stream? < 1358702831 713834 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358703007 142717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1358703049 672278 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a different language? < 1358703112 497395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358703159 20754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an implementation of amb for Smalltalk, I guess that could be used < 1358703559 980417 :sivoais!~zaki@c-98-198-132-238.hsd1.tx.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358704360 694586 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1358704866 466139 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358705616 288339 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1358705618 864263 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1358706096 608722 :asiekierka!~asiekierk@fluttershy.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1358706444 494665 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358706444 975572 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2identify 14cki < 1358706445 157730 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1358706461 704588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_someone_ needs to change their password hth < 1358706473 579870 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, fuck. < 1358706505 654794 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1358706509 755667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1358706536 626006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell bike sorry i couldn't stop myself < 1358706536 806768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1358706552 781982 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it is so easy < 1358706562 34358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :( < 1358706562 518018 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION runs like the wind < 1358706576 212550 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358706617 720058 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for that. < 1358706617 900111 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1358706639 354625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :np any time < 1358706719 600902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is np-complete < 1358707250 578338 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: testin < 1358707267 493361 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358707315 431559 :derkus!~derk@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1358708225 941094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway "14cki" is such a terribly short password anyway. < 1358708279 645839 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not exactly concerned about IRC security. < 1358708342 760890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you changed it now < 1358708351 924664 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell, if I su to another user I can't run screen -r since the pts of my terminal is not readable by that user < 1358708353 122903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you have < 1358708357 536630 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is kind of stupid < 1358708357 978193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to ghost you immediately after that line < 1358708359 982890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1358708361 95634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would have been pretty good imo < 1358708387 259314 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm how do I deal with this... < 1358708414 462822 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i have no reputation or anything, the only thing i need a password for is for protecting the sanctity of bikes, and avoiding being disconnected by services by Bastards Like You < 1358708528 491700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the sanctity of bikes" < 1358708546 11080 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some things in life are important. < 1358708569 487601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I connected a computer to a public IP and forgot to turn off logging of rejections in iptables. Pretty spammy result even with the rate limiting that is going on < 1358708731 782630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1358708731 963064 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1358709051 828291 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358709166 327431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ping < 1358709201 374284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1358709209 332078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have you any experience with either nfs or cifs (samba)? If so, is either of them significantly better/faster/less work/...? < 1358709219 994136 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to be between two linux boxes so... < 1358709251 942955 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : they are all crap < 1358709270 145735 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably we should use something from plan9 instead indeed but... < 1358709312 615530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: no experience < 1358709316 908425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1358709369 342857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do IDEs have a negative impact on ability to metaprogram? < 1358709386 659360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesNotUnderstand is often discouraged in Smalltalk I think because it negatively impacts tooling? < 1358709429 979284 :impomatic!~digital_w@211.67.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358709433 393675 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say, never used an IDE much < 1358709440 418051 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could ask a Ruby person < 1358709449 961741 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIUC, most people like it better when they're understood < 1358709450 891071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think last time I've used an IDE was when I was looking at writing GBA code < 1358709457 369916 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they apparently use those methods that get called when there's no method, a lot < 1358709459 208771 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was years ago < 1358709563 175347 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1358709837 271859 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358709954 571223 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358710078 297395 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, this situation sucks mildly less < 1358710217 605352 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hm? < 1358710237 166153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, also are you connected as root, or did you just set the name to that < 1358710334 304117 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1358710334 522260 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1358710334 522440 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1358710492 343778 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358710513 32315 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've managed to boot to a start-up disk thing < 1358710517 463478 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And connect to the internet < 1358710524 512547 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can live like this, for a short while < 1358710576 354642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb what have you done < 1358710621 234499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what is going on? < 1358710648 372393 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should never be allowed admin access on a computer < 1358710665 768142 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried to upgrade Ubuntu < 1358710669 462642 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I can't boot < 1358710718 722543 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sort of hangs < 1358710765 44237 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is your punishment for using ubuntu taneb < 1358710789 160196 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Arch any better? < 1358710792 428123 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Arch hates me < 1358710793 393034 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to < 1358710793 850596 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1358710794 589543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess there was that time arch managed to break the kernel startup sequence or something < 1358710848 803123 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gentoo also hates me < 1358710863 946040 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haiku's alright about me but hates my wifi adapter < 1358710869 197594 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358710985 246270 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358711114 875922 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfortunately, on this setup, I can't mess with my computer without leaving IRC < 1358711577 779075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is Arch any better? <-- try debian? < 1358711595 684363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, anyway, wont boot in what way < 1358711597 508765 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :any errors? < 1358711602 288663 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at what point does it fail? < 1358711621 133252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :grub? kernel? finding root file system? in user space? < 1358711622 23100 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't recall off the top of my head, and I'd have to leave and come back to tell you < 1358711630 424713 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After grub < 1358711635 979058 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before user space < 1358711644 95656 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, did it find the root file system? < 1358711666 820391 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can, on Grub, say "Advanced options => root terminal" < 1358711667 44132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it didn't you probably need to ajust the kernel command line in the grub config < 1358711676 704905 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that ends up read only < 1358711686 392726 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can see all my files < 1358711691 552219 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you can remount / by doing mount -o rw,remount / < 1358711698 833450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that is linux < 1358711704 612617 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1358711708 475369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than something grub specific < 1358711738 589286 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'll try that in a moment < 1358711753 983786 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, anyway have you turned off boot splash image and such, they tend to hide vital info < 1358711760 152669 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never use that stuff thus < 1358711805 215752 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try that suggestion then I'll film the boot process and borrow someone else's computer and upload it to youtube and link you < 1358711822 802108 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: SAVING THE WORLD < 1358711826 255202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well, I can look at that tomorrow evening at the earliest < 1358711835 907629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb, well, I can look at that tomorrow evening at the earliest. Going to sleep shortly. < 1358711836 138659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1358711852 431411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1358711868 681907 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that I told "Tanb," right? < 1358711869 843602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1358711899 381125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Well, I can look at that tomorrow evening at the earliest. Going to sleep shortly. Leave me a message with lambdabot. By the time you read this, I will be disconnected from my bouncer. < 1358711899 616410 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1358711999 574056 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting < 1358712229 145308 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1358712701 258212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He also confirmed that Mega had one million users on day one and said that “we cannot be stopped.” They’re re-enacting the arrest now – helicopters are everywhere. They just reenacted the arrest from last year. Currently a lot of dubstep, explosions and more." < 1358712868 295300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want my files that existed only on MegaUpload and my still yet to be recovered HD back < 1358712974 168430 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what is this about helicopters? Megaupload fan fiction? < 1358712987 813588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/01/20/kim-dotcom-officially-launches-the-new-mega-at-an-insane-press-event/ < 1358713010 498896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that is one fat person on the screen < 1358713015 176724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I confidently predict that will never help. < 1358713016 362427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :. < 1358713018 332982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I confidently predict that will never happen. < 1358713053 84141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could in theory recover the HD < 1358713076 265287 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, auto correct on a mobile device? Or what happened there? < 1358713156 86397 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1358713569 147971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I typed the wrong word. < 1358713661 992527 :atrapado!~rod@219.82.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1358713906 562848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Megaupload would pay certain customers to upload their files but Dotcom explains that there were limitations to ensure that the rewards program was not used for piracy. He explains that users were not rewarded for files that were more than 100 MBs: “have you ever downloaded a movie larger…they don’t exist.”" < 1358713926 407496 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1358713981 863285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Dubstep and explosions, man. < 1358714202 844032 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358714298 534748 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, does "microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin" mean much to anyone < 1358714298 754141 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1358714360 871992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1358714367 933732 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a hell of an error < 1358714368 114312 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sucks, xorg won't do keycodes > 255, which my keyboard generates for some of the extra fancy keys (it is a MS Natural ergonomic keyboard). < 1358714387 297184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, guess I can't use that group of buttons then < 1358714388 2507 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or "kvm: disabled by bios" < 1358714406 738946 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, I think your bootleg chinese GPU may have booted its last leg. < 1358714409 418224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Right, does "microcode: failed to load file amd-ucode/microcode_amd.bin" mean much to anyone <-- well < 1358714413 841366 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it shouldn't be fatal < 1358714422 332933 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it definitely shouldn't be from the kernel itself < 1358714426 739127 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe from the init ram fs < 1358714457 168981 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Or "kvm: disabled by bios" <-- unlikely to fatal except to hardware virtualization < 1358714482 969552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I *think* the microcode is for the CPU, but if such it shouldn't be fatal < 1358714492 628305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is for the GPU.. hm not sure < 1358714518 795733 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, do you have an AMD CPU (check /proc/cpuinfo) and/or an AMD GPU (check lspci) < 1358714548 824176 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure the CPU is AMD < 1358714579 533949 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also "sp5100_tco: mmio address 0xfec000f0 already in use" < 1358714607 99641 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :google suggests "CONFIG_SP5100_TCO: AMD/ATI SP5100 TCO Timer/Watchdog" < 1358714616 363372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? < 1358714622 488680 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a watchdog? < 1358714646 894311 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't think so < 1358714655 417830 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well hm < 1358714664 965520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, what is the last message before the crash? < 1358714668 480267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hang < 1358714698 361375 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The kvm disabled by bios one < 1358714722 325331 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1358714722 505671 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then there's just a blinking cursor in the top-left of a black screen < 1358714728 237461 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how very strange < 1358714741 919730 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It restarts on C+A+D and powers down on the power button < 1358714749 465239 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, does it accept any other input? < 1358714759 636084 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not as far as I am aware < 1358714775 955121 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By which I mean "probably not, I've tried a whole bunch" < 1358714782 376035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, and it stayed like that for how long? Maybe you just need to wait a couple of seconds? < 1358714808 878035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I guess you did that already? < 1358714809 96264 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 minutes until I stopped filming < 1358714811 852987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1358714812 298694 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then about 10 after that < 1358714816 2395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it is definitely broken < 1358714826 716937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking more like 5-10 seconds or such < 1358714856 788132 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, yeah, copy your files from the disk to an external hdd or whatever, then reinstall. Or restore from your last backup < 1358714866 981985 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bad? < 1358714870 430330 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang < 1358714875 183095 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, eh, it is PROBABLY fixable < 1358714882 813979 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have no clue how < 1358714891 451773 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh, thanks anyway < 1358714894 958099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, you could try #ubuntu or the ubuntu forums < 1358714897 76163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess < 1358714933 942739 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1358714934 167181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1358714951 534428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, the way I see it, it might not be worth spending days debugging when you could just reinstall it and restore your backed up package list. At least if you have fast internet to download it all again < 1358714984 263700 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decent internet, but the only computer I can really get to it from is my family computer from 2006 running XP < 1358714986 458841 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and your /home/whatever could just be copied across as is (make sure to fix the uid/gid though) < 1358715006 323973 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, surely you have direct internet access from the broken computer? < 1358715008 685683 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358715009 516165 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :wifi or something < 1358715023 380914 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh yeah < 1358715025 388472 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a household without wifi anywhere < 1358715028 299121 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I'm using right now < 1358715033 428636 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forgot about that < 1358715034 454839 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, wifi can be quite fast < 1358715041 311839 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :faster than my ADSL at least < 1358715044 52870 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know < 1358715048 83309 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't match up to fibre of course < 1358715135 706735 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone tries to work out what kind of a person I am from the videos on my camera, they'll have no idea < 1358715145 799551 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1358715191 700673 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video of three people, none of whom are me, two of whom are in Homestuck hoodies, the third in an angry birds hat, fighting over some glasses < 1358715206 781021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1358715207 672687 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video of someone who is not me getting ready to sledge, then sledging down a hill < 1358715212 213121 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a bit weird < 1358715216 510321 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Video of someone's computer failing to boot up < 1358715221 758428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1358715223 93197 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's it < 1358715251 389125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well it tells me the person was, or knew someone who was, a linux user < 1358715263 589607 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is probably into geeky stuff < 1358715265 635850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only three videos? Yes, then I suppose they won't figure out a lot. < 1358715270 874005 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :given the homestuck stuff < 1358715277 845223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly is some sort of stalky homestuck voyeur < 1358715280 514299 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I got the camera for Christmas < 1358715282 846917 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that is about it < 1358715292 842094 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, or that yes < 1358715299 103145 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: seeing as all the people in that video were female, that's looking worryingly likely < 1358715299 991817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also damn you and your sledding < 1358715309 127654 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how many hills there are in the midlands < 1358715322 564439 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd imagine at least one < 1358715334 754064 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't really know the midlands < 1358715417 260669 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are none < 1358715417 705502 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at < 1358715418 423386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all < 1358715435 855088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we tried making our own hill out of snow but it just wasn't the same < 1358715442 497721 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I live in one of the flatter regions of Sweden too < 1358715470 283773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't vary more than maybe 5-10 meters around here < 1358715474 573575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and quite slowly < 1358715502 32305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one place where you can sledge near here. But that is about it < 1358715505 619121 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...Hexham's built on a hill < 1358715522 423971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :edinburgh is built on at least 7 < 1358715529 514885 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except nobody can agree on which 7 < 1358715534 30999 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat like Rome in that respect < 1358715561 442417 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is built on the famous seven hills of Rome, plus a few more < 1358715878 596426 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358716007 602570 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1358716044 820078 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1358716342 625300 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358716346 184997 :Taneb!~root@host-2-97-148-97.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1358716379 762747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1358716625 31938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O Assembler code in Smalltalk < 1358717484 41662 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: just, gosh, the whole cmubash site < 1358717489 131726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your mom is so fat, she sat on a binary tree and turned it into a linked list in constant time!" < 1358717509 286182 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_____- < 1358717521 241056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel terrible for laughing < 1358717531 598630 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1358717893 6299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BBESuMICYAAvNn9.jpg:large < 1358717929 376338 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in the hell < 1358718046 840956 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Seems legit. < 1358718087 580437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there some punchy term for "things that look like graphs but are actually totally meaningless decoration"? < 1358718125 963285 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"bullshit"? < 1358718128 48471 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://benfry.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/piratesarecool4.gif I'm reminded of that < 1358718131 359820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard a word for that. < 1358718139 696687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't recall what it was. < 1358718154 990351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that graph is a lot more legit < 1358718183 239104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has actual labeled axes measuring things that could plausibly be quantified < 1358718212 76304 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i don't believe that there were only 17 pirates in year 2000 < 1358718217 195544 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358718226 632202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quantity of the users? < 1358718241 834159 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: uh it says "approxiate" right there hello < 1358718242 724169 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesantint.com/leng/rmx_advantages.html < 1358718262 865813 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only word that comes to mind right now is "chartjunk", but that's a different thing. (It's the visual cruft in a chart that doesn't contribute anything.) < 1358718268 316539 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesantint.com/leng/energy_source.html < 1358718291 710003 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is "deciphering"? < 1358718302 303610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god these are great < 1358718304 352554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deciphering when you have legitimate access? < 1358718310 222063 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it's a bmp < 1358718330 559682 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, I don't think you want slow systems unless it's a password hash < 1358718337 801212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as slow as it seems to be trying to imply < 1358718349 718187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The deciphering is conducted with the help of SUPER COMPUTERS" < 1358718365 703352 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Work of a prototype of the generator is described by absolutely new class of mathematical functions developed by us in the course of studying of physical vacuum. Our workings out allow to create generators of energy of any capacity:... мcW, uW, W, kW, MW, GW, TW... < 1358718374 715448 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do they mean illegitimately, in which case they don't describe by what mechanism (brute forcing, or what?) < 1358718406 889142 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo. this is garbage. don't even try. < 1358718411 429449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See how many K's RMX has compared to banks? < 1358718434 688027 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is мcW supposed to be anyway < 1358718448 146616 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is uW supposed to be µW? there are just so many questions < 1358718456 378994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it < 1358718462 829186 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "Absolute cryptographic protection" < 1358718465 781944 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Millicentiwatts? < 1358718474 963899 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the little M is cyrillic. < 1358718483 153498 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't know anything other than one-time pads were absolute < 1358718489 960152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but it's still a small m. < 1358718497 139501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if they are using one-time pads, how is anything representing a time to break in not "infinity"? < 1358718504 522058 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesantint.com/images/energy_eng.JPG < 1358718522 359979 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vakuum < 1358718529 124455 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This circuit was performed by Tesla in 1933. The source of electrical power was developed and Tesla installed it into the car the internal combustion engine of which was eliminated and replaced by с и заменен на asynchronous motor. Tesla drove this car for two weeks." < 1358718536 412269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it always Tesla < 1358718537 747232 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, I mean, "THE PECULIARITY OF ABSOLUTE RMX SYSTEM CONISISTS IN THE FACT THAT IT CAN BE DECIPHERED NEVER AND BY NOBODY AT ANY LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF A SCIENCE AND COMPUTER FACILITIES !!!" < 1358718547 163228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does sound pretty absolute. < 1358718553 546669 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe because tesla was about as crazy as this, only also competent. < 1358718584 750971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"RMX is fully protects any computer network. It is impossible to consider the data from a network as direct connection or attack of hackers even by means of the super-computer. Absolute protection (hardware - program execution)." < 1358718649 476106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: o_O < 1358718655 76584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :collapsing the false vacuum for fun and profit < 1358718681 734024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battle Programmer Shirase doesn't even *need* the super computer, though. I've seen this in a video. < 1358718692 812516 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's something really amusing about "diagrams" that don't actually explain anything at all < 1358718716 110650 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they help explain how out of it the creator is, at least. < 1358718781 890087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Atomic spaying of any thickness." < 1358718804 435576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from http://lesantint.com/leng/ ) < 1358718819 393504 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they meant spraying < 1358718865 342817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1358718874 78851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want those atoms breeding! < 1358718878 349004 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1358718963 910580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Responsible people spay their atoms to prevent unwanted molecules. < 1358718973 550770 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unwanted fission < 1358718991 300789 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is pretty bad if you have lots of unwanted fission going on in your house. < 1358718993 370657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesantint.com/images/rmx8.JPG < 1358719021 535133 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I recognize that stock photo. < 1358719023 369981 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesantint.com/leng/transmutation.html a.k.a. alchemy? < 1358719038 819788 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :never seen anyone actually use it, rather than just finding it on shutterstock and laughing < 1358719040 154986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"FULL ABSOLUTE PROTECTION OF MICROCHIPS IMPLANTED INTO THE HUMAN !!!" < 1358719042 397673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I was just about to ask whether you people thought they had posed for that picture themselves. < 1358719051 405932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can actually transmute elements < 1358719062 23184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Necessity of inplantation of microchips every day is more and more obvious." < 1358719074 310446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesantint.com/leng/rmx_application.html < 1358719081 554835 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nah "bad guy doing computer hacks holy shit" is common enough to make it lucrative as stock < 1358719091 620635 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they just made it about as cheesy as possible for some reason < 1358719107 814931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there's a niche for that, too. < 1358719115 5052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jokey articles about hackers, sure < 1358719134 892588 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly i'm surprised that there's no watermark on it < 1358719140 270797 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess they actually paid? < 1358719178 218183 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"THE PECULIARITY OF ABSOLUTE RMX SYSTEM CONISISTS IN THE FACT THAT IT CAN BE DECIPHERED NEVER AND BY NOBODY AT ANY LEVEL OF DEVELOPMENT OF A SCIENCE AND COMPUTER FACILITIES !!!" my god < 1358719179 814099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://lesantint.com/images/signalizaciya.JPG < 1358719184 698425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cod-Grabber would be the worst superhero < 1358719206 306968 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more of a basic occupation than a superpower < 1358719282 524395 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a cod < 1358719284 540809 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the fish? < 1358719286 818776 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the video game? < 1358719302 416514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking fish < 1358719326 356845 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fish are kind of hard to grab, admittedly < 1358719349 505151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they probably torrented the image or photoshopped out the watermark < 1358719388 471105 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there really torrents of that? sad. < 1358719505 40088 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably < 1358719704 403877 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :torrenting a cod? < 1358719709 161184 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess cods are often found in torrents < 1358719733 216481 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only have so many underscores to put between hyphens, Fiora. < 1358719743 628920 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1358720582 40919 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, er, aren't cod saltwater fish < 1358720652 800651 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um um stop ruining horrifically awful jokes with logic < 1358720720 391399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats literally what this channel is for Fiora < 1358720742 507083 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't actually want people to stop that) < 1358720745 898231 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it's actually wonderful)_ < 1358720750 298438 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you make awful jokes about the logic and the cycle continues < 1358720797 29303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :reductio ad absurdum < 1358720869 966117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Makerbot chief exec Bre Pettis says the [MakerBot] printer could be used in space" < 1358720884 97150 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "It's my hope that if an apocalypse happens people will be ready with Makerbots, building the things they can't buy in stores." < 1358720897 756850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a kind of hilarious mental image of Bre trying to make plastic trinkets on generator power while armed bandits steal all his food and water and fuel and computers < 1358720983 938409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo an "apocalypse" where you still have 3d printers doesn't really count < 1358721000 651905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :get back to me when you can 3D print a working shotgun and some penicillin < 1358721023 958433 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have seen the perfect presentation. I can die now in peace. http://lesantint.com/data/rmx_prezentation.ppt (Be sure to view it in something that can display the transitions and the animations and play the sounds.) < 1358721050 524354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and get UFO MALWARE? no thanks < 1358721070 86398 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian UFO malware from the secret research base at Tunguska < 1358721121 345535 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1358721204 835585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if say a virus wiped out 99% of humans, governments and civilization would collapse, but individual people would still have access to advanced tech on a local scale < 1358721221 6612 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it might not do much good < 1358721250 923681 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think certain of the "maker" skills would be useful, but not so much 3D printing < 1358721260 271777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depopulation viruses are so 80s kmc < 1358721263 321285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have zombies < 1358721278 58951 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk, tech relies on a lot of infrastructure < 1358721280 866088 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zombie viruses??????? < 1358721287 166186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to assume everything will just explode < 1358721287 691351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: let me just collapse for a while < 1358721292 856010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well 3D printers do and that's part of my claim < 1358721309 84346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but e.g. the ability to maintain basic internal combustion engines would be very useful < 1358721341 440579 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not going to be short on spare parts though are you < 1358721343 606143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1358721350 128620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic electronics skill to establish perimeter security for your base < 1358721350 616935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1358721388 949541 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think the most useful skills are not part of the standard 'maker' palette < 1358721442 736359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :medicine, agriculture, negotiation, management of small organizations in tense circumstances < 1358721464 738978 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i shudder to think how noisebridge style government would work in an apocalypse. < 1358721508 491432 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.175 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1358721676 880162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously there is a fantasy here that 3D printers are saving the world rather than just being toys for rich people < 1358721710 889240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they may well eventually save the world but Bre is massively overstating the usefulness of the thing that they've made now because, well, he's a shameless self-promoter and has a business to run < 1358722534 964261 :sivoais!~zaki@c-98-198-132-238.hsd1.tx.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1358722569 922177 :sivoais!~zaki@199.19.225.239 JOIN :#esoteric < 1358722609 324275 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@174-20-15-143.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1358723151 924464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On dice.com would I put 7 years of experience with Python even if I haven't used Python contiguously in those 7 years? < 1358723158 726855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is experience counted? < 1358723202 376862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Could probably put 9 but even though I've read about Python in 2003 that doesn't mean I've used it) < 1358723360 238955 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think nobody is going to do an experience audit on you < 1358723445 95578 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think 9 years of experience in python means anything different to a year thereof < 1358723502 810813 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I have experience with Seven of Nine" < 1358723517 904506 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :measurement of experience in years is silly anyway < 1358723543 168000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's what dice.com asks for, so < 1358723559 828538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a decent rule of thumb. < 1358723621 484395 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :these measures exist entirely to allow people who know nothing about Python to sort your résumé into the trash or not < 1358723630 220710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should pick the biggest number that is vaguley defensible < 1358723657 258623 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you get an actual interview they will try to assess your actual knowledge, not nitpick your choice of buzzwords and numbers on your resume < 1358723686 14588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should only put a buzzword on if you are willing to talk about that thing in an interview < 1358723703 323401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are not going to be like "He said PROFICIENT in Python but he was only MODERATELY PROFICIENT! DOUBLE-FAIL!!" < 1358723767 601619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part of your resume that is actually likely to come up in an interview is past experience (be it jobs, other projects, classes) < 1358723980 632382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your resume is an advertisement you write about yourself < 1358723990 518263 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its purpose is to get you a phone call < 1358724001 113579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not the be-all end-all character sheet that defines whether you get the job < 1358724022 434059 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that because the past experience part of the résumé is where all the lies go < 1358724032 133171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1358724041 697913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people also lie about skills < 1358724061 175188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had people come in who claimed to be 10+ years experienced C++ programmers who could not code fibonacci < 1358724073 433356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not like we would have accepted those people if they had not lied < 1358724082 780424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Clearly not enough IRC experience. < 1358724083 447421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lying just wasted some of their time and some of ours < 1358724090 291462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and maybe got them a free trip to $CITY so good for them < 1358724199 996908 :atrapado!~rod@219.82.117.91.dynamic.mundo-r.com QUIT :Quit: Abandonando < 1358724269 295010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think finding jobs through dice.com etc. is not the preferred way < 1358724277 831396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much better to find jobs through your personal network if you can < 1358724313 568841 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember the kettle guy ? :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpbKGvjqsxM < 1358724327 915339 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:15:03 but they are not going to be like "He said PROFICIENT in Python but he was only MODERATELY PROFICIENT! DOUBLE-FAIL!!" < 1358724334 375197 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo this would be better < 1358724361 303923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you mean < 1358724366 370614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well it would be funnier < 1358724368 499680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's that < 1358724374 33584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like "proficient" and "moderately proficient" mean anything objectively < 1358724386 944895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it would be funnier < 1358724391 482027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah there's that < 1358724391 662319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure you are on my wavelength here < 1358724410 799846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm synced to the wavelength of your RMX human implant chip < 1358724500 536753 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moderately proficient python man, can write a bug-free fizzbuzz in a single bound < 1358724551 119888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the bound [1..100] < 1358724565 692680 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff < 1358724635 357625 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does proficient python man not need any bounds at all < 1358724655 172081 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope not. That would imply more than one way to do it. < 1358724732 710977 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"faster than an overclocked prescott, more powerful than a tesla, and able to leap tall process stacks in a single bound" < 1358724791 530948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tesla is magnetism, not power!!! < 1358724798 586083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use the good scottish watt! < 1358724986 675476 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION meant the GPU, but < 1358725079 775850 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TopatoBlog! Sweet Bro and Hella Jeff Hardcover PRESS RELEASE http://goo.gl/fb/GWr8i < 1358725101 965822 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1358725112 290482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you use `list < 1358725115 886544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1358725122 536718 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo alot < 1358725122 798933 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not an update) < 1358725170 431509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.tumblr.com/e975165f063347c452b9cc8810c54397/tumblr_inline_mgy6lvfbyu1qj5t81.jpg < 1358725264 377057 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... Pffff < 1358725303 740213 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PART :#esoteric < 1358725308 577820 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1358725327 976805 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-36-82.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1358725329 46519 :pikhq_!~pikhq@71-219-207-138.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric