00:00:04 -!- augur_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:30:14 -!- icarot has joined. 00:31:48 -!- jconn has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 00:34:07 I know nothing of this channel, but after reading the logs with topic jumps to Russian, logic gates, opaque puns - and who even knows what else - I had to come here. 00:34:26 `welcome icarot 00:34:28 icarot: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 00:34:35 usually I'd expect the logs to drive people away 00:35:22 It must have been an unusual log, then. Or maybe it's just me. 00:35:36 hicarot 00:35:38 :-) 00:35:46 well, oerjan's been messing with intercal for the last twenty minutes 00:35:56 there was intercal? 00:35:56 Hallo. 00:36:01 I thought it was just Fueue 00:36:04 fueue, intercal, same shit 00:36:52 i haven't messed with intercal for a decade 00:37:07 It sounds scary. 00:37:37 COME FROM is an integral part of nondeterministic programming 00:38:01 http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/intercal/ 00:39:06 "please read me a story" 00:40:06 I love oerjan's comments in that program 00:40:12 and also everything else 00:40:16 galois field mines 00:41:00 monqy: have you read it? you should 00:41:25 ive read parts of it 00:41:27 it's really good 00:41:52 ...are you still talking about my interpreter 00:41:59 yes 00:42:02 wow 00:43:18 the galois field was nice 00:56:45 hi icarot 00:56:52 `wehlcohme icarot 00:56:55 ihcahroht: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) 01:22:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:23:23 -!- Bike_ has joined. 01:23:31 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:37:28 -!- augur has joined. 01:37:32 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 01:40:02 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 01:42:38 -!- azaq23 has joined. 01:44:46 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: Arc_Koen). 02:25:26 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:28:13 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/65/Fucking_map.png 02:29:04 They should upload a cleaner version... 02:29:19 yeah look at those jpeg artifacts in a png :( 02:29:44 it's simplistic enough to be a svg, really 02:29:45 i wonder if there is research into fancy ways of de-jpegifying line art 02:30:44 http://rentheatmap.com/sf.html 02:45:50 -!- WeThePeople has joined. 02:47:33 yes 02:48:50 One area looked really cheap at first but it turned out to be a lake 02:48:55 Wonder if you can rent an apartment on the lake 02:49:37 Nothing wrong with living in lakes. 02:50:29 shachaf: http://i.imgur.com/uwtBNUf.png 02:51:01 ha. 02:51:12 KMC IS TOO DAMN HIGH 02:51:24 Hmm, your nick looks weird in uppercase. 03:09:45 Lumpio-: haha 03:09:49 well http://www.lrb.co.uk/v35/n03/rebecca-solnit/diary does talk about "water plots" 03:12:21 What does the "S.A.C." Fieldata code mean? 03:12:51 You sure do ask the most random questions. 03:13:00 fungot's are even more random 03:13:00 shachaf: more simply put: siod sucks as a general purpose ( similar, and i'd like to see that mystical forest powers, but this time on the impact of the introduction to theoretical computer, fnord of the fnord here, just above me, asked me to do that in the " better" language 03:13:09 fungto: that's not a question.................................................. 03:13:13 fungot: that's not a question.................................................. 03:13:14 shachaf: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube with this jaybad... he is like the punching him? does it involve? doing it the way you would calibrate a normal. pm showed the bq a parking citation. if confronted, you will say you are only here to deliver a message and then i'll put his shit.... w.t.f lol 03:13:43 fungot: ? 03:13:43 shachaf: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher ic irc* jargon lovecraft nethack pa speeches ss wp youtube* 54, 55, 56, 57, as bryant still had his glory days ahead of them must have brought it with blood is, he's a total of two conversion rates, in that line, that i have gone totally wanting, and then you can choose fnord, but don't 03:13:49 fungot: what's going on 03:13:49 shachaf: i just wrote :p ( what was i thinking there.... :d 03:14:12 ^style 03:14:12 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld europarl ff7 fisher fungot* homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 03:14:49 Oh. 03:14:53 ^style irc 03:14:53 Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) 03:15:34 fungot: riddle me a riddle 03:15:52 fungot: draw me a sheep 03:15:57 Hmph. 03:37:32 -!- jconn has joined. 03:42:42 baaah 03:43:29 kmc: did you read that book 03:43:45 which 03:43:58 either the one i mentioned the other day 03:44:00 or the little prince 03:44:13 probably not 03:45:07 -!- WeThePeople has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:53:26 -!- trout has quit (*.net *.split). 03:53:26 -!- Deewiant has quit (*.net *.split). 03:53:26 -!- Sanky has quit (*.net *.split). 03:57:01 -!- variable has joined. 03:59:59 -!- Deewiant has joined. 04:32:49 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 04:40:30 -!- RodgerTheGreat has quit (Quit: RodgerTheGreat). 05:02:03 -!- icarot has quit (Quit: leeave()). 05:02:17 -!- icarot has joined. 05:07:18 -!- icarot has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:11:14 hi shachaf 05:11:19 shichaf 05:11:28 ^rot13 shichaf 05:11:28 fuvpuns 05:11:40 ^rot13 sighchaf 05:11:40 fvtupuns 05:11:44 ^rot13 shychaf 05:11:44 fulpuns 05:12:30 ^rot13 fulcra 05:12:31 shypen 05:13:04 yhichaf 05:13:29 yhishachaf 05:13:57 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 05:13:59 yhelloquintopia 05:14:00 -!- Bike_ has joined. 05:14:20 ^rot13 yhelloquintopia 05:14:20 luryybdhvagbcvn 05:14:34 ^rot13 wat 05:14:35 jng 05:14:48 ^rot13 jpg 05:14:48 wct 05:14:59 ^rot13 png 05:14:59 cat 05:15:21 use cat for all your image compression needs 05:16:00 cat oerjan > yhishachaf.png 05:16:13 I thought png should be used to compress pictures of cats. 05:18:10 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 05:19:47 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:19:48 use cats to compress pictures of pngs 05:58:49 shachaf was there any context for that 05:59:02 monqy for what 05:59:11 monoids 05:59:20 monqy dont cross-post................................................ 05:59:35 -!- Frooxius has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 05:59:37 monqy: also im an addict 05:59:42 you might say im 05:59:48 er 05:59:51 i thought it'd be """""ironic"""""" 05:59:54 you might say that im talking about 05:59:59 ... 06:00:01 addictive monoids 06:00:14 What are addictive monoids? 06:00:26 it's a pun, zzo 06:00:31 monoids that use a + and give you the first hit for free 06:00:33 a bad pun, shachaf 06:00:40 a fun pun, monqy 06:01:10 monqy: the """""""ironic' part is that i crosspost sometimes?? 06:01:17 yes 06:01:17 monqy: also why are you reading #haskell but not talking 06:01:23 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 06:01:26 sometimes i say something!!!! 06:01:48 i think i said something today? maybe??? or was that just yesterday 06:02:07 say more things 06:02:14 "we all appreciate your valuble contributions" 06:02:19 (well at least i do??) 06:03:00 ah yes today i gave a pointer on "map . map", yesterday I said something about pts, and a while ago it was.....catMaybes? 06:03:11 @ty map . map 06:03:13 (a -> b) -> [[a]] -> [[b]] 06:03:18 @ty traverse . traverse 06:03:20 (Applicative f, Traversable t1, Traversable t) => (a -> f b) -> t (t1 a) -> f (t (t1 b)) 06:03:39 @ty (=<<) . (=<<) 06:03:41 Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m (m a) -> m b 06:03:45 @ty foldMap . foldMap 06:03:46 (Foldable t1, Foldable t, Monoid m) => (a -> m) -> t (t1 a) -> m 06:03:57 good signatures? 06:03:57 cóóincidence? 06:04:07 @ty foldl . foldl 06:04:09 (a -> b -> a) -> a -> [[b]] -> a 06:04:25 monqy: edwardk has been doing """awful things with these signatures 06:04:33 how awful 06:04:39 cpp hacks awful 06:04:46 that's pretty awful 06:04:47 and rewrite rules/? 06:04:54 that's pretty awful too 06:05:05 and making performance changes with no benchmarks 06:05:38 -!- oonbotti has joined. 06:24:31 monqy: would it be better if i quit monoids 06:25:12 probably 06:29:39 CPP is bad for Haskell due to the different comment syntax and the different use of apostrophes, and the different use of a backslash for line endings. 06:41:41 foldMap all the way down 06:42:26 I kind of wish Foldable required Functor. :-( 06:43:12 I heard you like maps, so i put a Functor in your Functor so you can fmap while you fmap. 06:46:12 But there might be some data types which can be foldable but not functor? (such as some GADTs) 06:46:42 Hmm, maybe GADTs are a good counterargument? 06:55:07 I think Foldable could be made to be defined in terms of toList; and I think there is a free theorem which makes it equivalent (specifically, that [] is a free monoid, which makes it a backward monoid transformer). 06:58:41 Do you think I am correct? 07:01:16 it's not very good to define Foldable in terms of toList 07:01:23 since you lose tree structure 07:04:09 But Foldable is forced to lose tree structure anyways due to associativity of monoids. 07:05:46 yes, but part of the reason it's so nice is that you can rely on the balancedness of it when folding e.g. a tree 07:05:53 if you have, say, a monoid you use for searching for something in a tree 07:06:20 then a toList based version will have worse asymptotic performance 07:07:10 Yes, that can be a good reason not to define a Foldale instance in terms of toList. But that doesn't mean it is not mathematically equivalent. 07:19:31 sure 08:02:24 Maybe the math should be made to include performance complexity things 08:02:45 psh, engineer 08:02:53 'a':"b" as not equivalent to "a"++"b" despite the same result 08:03:09 wait why not 08:04:45 Presumably there should be language support, time and space complexity in the types 08:04:45 I have no idea how this would work though 08:07:38 what are you talking about 08:08:46 I want to be preventing from writing foo x = length x while accidentally assuming that foo x has O(1) time complexity 08:08:55 I want the type checker to catch that 08:09:12 And only successfully type check if I state that it has O(n) time complexity 08:09:23 wow that sounds really weird 08:09:29 like really incredibly what 08:11:12 Prevent people from misunderstanding the time and space complexity of the algorithms they use 08:11:29 So if something needs to run fast, they can be assured that it will run the way they expect 08:11:33 haven't you heard cache locality makes O times obsolete 08:12:27 Sgeo: you realise "a" ++ x and 'a' : x have the same time complexity right 08:12:33 just really tiny different constant factors 08:12:42 and optimised away completely by any half-decent compiler 08:12:50 yeah what is that even, i'm confused 08:12:57 elliott, hmm, ok 08:13:02 bad example 08:13:15 it's frickin haskell, optimize that shit 08:48:57 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: warning). 08:52:34 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Bye). 08:53:18 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 09:34:00 -!- carado has joined. 09:55:04 -!- Sanky has joined. 10:05:23 -!- SimonRC has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 10:05:39 -!- SimonRC has joined. 10:06:15 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:20:03 -!- zzo38 has joined. 11:00:54 size_t strlen(char const*) __attribute__((DUDE_MOVE_THIS_OUT_OF_YOUR_LOOP_HEADER)) 11:13:52 __attribute__ ((optimize ("inline-small-functions", "inline-functions"), always_inline, inline_or_i_kill_you)). 11:18:41 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:56:28 -!- asiekierka_ has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). 11:59:54 -!- asiekierka has joined. 12:02:30 -!- oonbotti has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:13:24 -!- Lumpio- has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 12:21:29 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 12:40:10 -!- Lumpio- has joined. 13:13:41 -!- Frooxius has joined. 13:16:23 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:39:50 -!- sebbu has joined. 13:39:51 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 13:39:51 -!- sebbu has joined. 13:42:17 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:42:47 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:47:39 -!- Arc_Koen has joined. 13:56:59 -!- Arc_Koen has quit (Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"). 13:57:24 -!- Arc_Koen has joined. 13:57:55 hello people 14:01:47 -!- boily has joined. 14:36:03 quintopia: hi! 15:08:10 So much for not allowing myself to use the computer until noon 15:08:39 its ok 15:08:40 its 15:08 15:09:20 it's not ok, it's 10:08. 15:09:57 sorry about your incorrect timezone 15:10:31 @globaltime 15:10:35 Local time for shachaf is Tue Feb 5 07:10:31 2013 15:10:39 ∎ 15:10:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 15:10:50 That's the Global Time™ 15:11:08 @globaltime 15:11:11 Local time for boily is Tue, 05 Feb 2013 10:11:09 -0500 15:13:42 my Globolocaltime© is better than yours :p 15:14:00 I get three more hours every day... 15:21:45 "and then, if you have a class which mixes in these traits, there are special rules which impl wins, depending on the order of the mixins" 15:21:50 Give me Ada please 15:22:08 * Sgeo retreats back into the safety of a language that's supposed to make no assumptions 15:23:18 * boily pellets Sgeo with tidbits of PHP, just to keep him insane enough 15:23:19 hi Sgeo 15:23:27 So you like Ada after all? 15:23:45 I still don't know Ada 15:24:07 But it gave me a taste of disliking when languages make assumptions and the programmer has to guess at what it will assume 15:24:56 You should learn it a bit. 15:25:09 It's hardly fair to use it as an argument against other languages when you don't know it. 15:29:48 I know 1<2 and 2>0 or 3<4 is invalid 15:29:50 hth 15:30:25 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:30:29 You know how it's case-insensitive? 15:31:06 Now I do. Makes sense though. 15:32:27 hi quintopia 15:32:31 hi boily 15:38:34 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 15:56:10 "languages make assumptions and the programmer has to guess at what it will assume" 15:56:13 isn't that 15:56:14 every language 15:56:26 except that you shouldn't "guess" you should understand 15:56:32 Every language but Ada. 15:56:39 every language but sgeolang? 15:57:14 There is no language but Ada and Sgeo is its prophet. 15:57:26 clearly 16:07:33 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 16:09:05 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 16:10:07 fiat lux 16:16:26 it even works. they finally managed to put me back online. i didn't even notice i haven't payed payed my electricity bills for months 16:17:50 maybe because i always pay once a year. but they seemed to change their policy.. and they have good argues 16:21:32 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:30:37 -!- hagb4rd2 has joined. 16:31:08 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Disconnected by services). 16:31:13 -!- hagb4rd2 has changed nick to hagb4rd. 16:41:43 "So, unless first-class modules are something you get excited about, or you need Java interop for something, Scala isn't really worth the effort if you're already using Haskell, except as another excuse for broadening your experience of languages." 16:41:54 First-class modules ARE something I get excited about! 16:42:37 unless you need to work with other people or with existing code, Scala isn't worth the effort 16:42:56 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 16:43:13 but a singular Haskell Genius can replace any code or person in O(1) time so it's fine 16:43:49 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 16:44:18 kmc: can a haskell genius replace himself? 16:44:54 in O(0) time 16:45:14 Scala's delimited continuation stuff in and of itself is interesting to me 16:45:19 More-so than a Cont monad 16:46:32 i didn't even know it has that 16:46:41 it also has subtyping 16:46:54 i find subtyping kind of gross, but i don't think it's wrong in principle for someone to find it interesting 16:47:04 or "exciting" in words of the OP 16:47:24 I still haven't grokked the Cont monad. perhaps because I haven't seen it yet used in the wild. 16:48:36 I've been trying to figure out subtyping recently. 16:49:00 I bet it could be really good. 16:49:34 kmc, I think this is utterly awesome https://github.com/urso/embeddedmonads 16:50:23 -!- augur has joined. 16:56:22 shachaf: isn't it great that my org.cups.sid cookie is sent to every other localhost: app i visit? 16:57:03 How many localhost apps is kmc using? 16:57:09 a few 16:57:40 kmc: Cookies are shared between ports? 16:57:47 apparently 16:58:06 I assumed they weren't, like JavaScript cross-domain things aren't. 16:58:10 But I guess I'm wrong. 16:58:18 Are you investigating cupsd? 16:58:18 never assume two Web security rules are consistent 16:58:22 or one rule between browsers 16:58:22 no 16:58:33 i just noticed that the CUPS cookie keeps getting sent to the Django webapp I'm developing 16:58:45 Ah. 16:58:50 * shachaf sighs. 16:59:03 kmc: On the other hand, most people never visit their localhost cups server. 16:59:32 Which means that when you want to try to CSRF it, you can just connect and have it choose the cookie based on time()! 16:59:59 I should report that. 17:00:06 And also the several other issues I've found. 17:00:21 yes 17:00:23 do it 17:00:34 Hmm, I still have a file with various notes in it. 17:01:14 full-disclosure@ 17:01:15 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:01:17 the lazy option 17:01:21 hello 17:09:19 Hi. 17:11:20 holsner 17:11:38 Have you considered changing your name to olster? 17:13:44 hi 17:14:11 when I get old I might change it to oldster 17:15:12 getting old is easy 17:15:53 you could move to northern ireland and change it to ulster 17:16:20 isn't ireland full of IRA and terrorists? 17:17:14 isn't IRA terrorists? 17:17:32 Some of them are 17:17:44 Some of them are also "serious" "politicians" 17:18:04 they seem not have enough options for enemies on that island.. so they just get down to kill each other 17:18:50 i mean wan't that a conflict between catholics and protestants? (originally) 17:19:14 i mean, thank god they found a reason 17:20:13 but that's human nature. if there were no problems we would have to invent them 17:20:28 i'm not sure to what degree it's actually a religious conflict and to what degree it's a conflict between two communities who happen to have different religions 17:20:49 isn't it mostly about whether to be part of the UK or not 17:20:58 i guess it's not religious at all 17:21:02 this is a common fallacy though 17:21:04 maybe it was once 17:21:17 americans tend to assume that the arab-israeli conflict is some millenia old religious conflict 17:21:28 they don't understand how much of it dates back only to 1948 17:22:17 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 17:22:33 Um, wut? Not all of us are that stupid. 17:22:40 they fight for jerusalem since the city was founded 17:22:52 and it 17:22:53 We decided it would be pretty cool to oust a bunch of people from their homes and move people of a conflicting religion in, then just sort of leave it and laugh from the sidelines. 17:22:58 Definitely a recipe for success. 17:23:04 TwilightSpockle: i said "tend to" not "all americans believe this only" 17:23:23 (Although really we didn't "oust" them so much as they self-ousted when it was obvious that we fully intended to oust them) 17:26:47 i disagree that it's a 'conflicting religion' though, except in specific cases like the temple mount 17:26:57 jews and muslims live together peacefully in many parts of the world 17:27:02 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 17:27:11 yess.. back then, the reasons for the conflict might have been "constructed" and instrumentalized.. but after all that blood was shed, it is a real conflict.. you can't tell who started it, and maybe you're not even interested since your beloved once got killed by a bomb at breakfast on sunday morning 17:27:15 places where the communities coexist organically rather than one being installed by force and then subjugating the other 17:27:17 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 17:27:17 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 17:27:30 hagb4rd: yeah 17:28:02 ah, TwilightSpockle is indeed who I thought it was 17:28:08 "Don't matter who did what to who at this point. Fact is, we went to war, and now there ain't no going back. I mean, shit, it's what war is, you know? Once you in it, you in it. If it's a lie, then we fight on that lie. But we gotta fight." 17:28:42 Who else would I be? 17:28:43 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:42:20 -!- hogeyui has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 17:48:19 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 17:49:07 -!- azaq23 has joined. 17:49:17 -!- azaq23 has quit (Max SendQ exceeded). 17:51:35 -!- azaq23 has joined. 17:54:42 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 17:54:52 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 17:55:53 http://t.co/adQRhvXD 18:06:27 -!- hogeyui has joined. 18:07:45 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 18:15:40 -!- Bike has joined. 18:23:21 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:24:08 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:31:32 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 18:36:48 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 18:44:53 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:46:41 kmc: According to W|A, "F/NaN C" is "69 755 K^2/nAn (kelvins squared per nanoan) (with temperatures converted to kelvins)". 18:50:32 (Apparently "an" is a unit of electric current, with 1 An = 0.1602177 A = 0.01602177 emus of current.) 18:50:57 "emus of current"? 18:51:01 Are those the kind that kick? 18:51:11 TwilightSpockle: "unit officially deprecated", sadly. 18:51:25 Damn! 18:51:34 Aren't miles officially deprecated too? 18:51:43 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:51:57 They can take our furlongs and fortnights, but how DARE they take our emus. 18:52:44 i think we still have fortnights TwilightSpockle...................................... 18:53:12 is emu from cgs? 18:53:16 I think that ellipsis indicates that you paused for a fortnight... 18:53:23 kmc: Apparently so. 18:53:28 "ElectroMagnetic Unit". 18:53:50 "The EMU unit of current, biot (Bi), also known as abampere or emu current, --" 18:53:52 cgs is wacky 18:54:07 cgs units have different dimension from SI units for ostensibly the "same quantity" 18:54:53 something something permittivity of free space something intro physics pass/fail 18:55:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:55:44 "Furthermore, within CGS, there are several plausible choices of electromagnetic units, leading to different unit "sub-systems", including Gaussian, "ESU", "EMU", and Heaviside–Lorentz. Among these choices, Gaussian units are the most common today, and in fact the phrase "CGS units" is often used to refer specifically to CGS-Gaussian units." 18:55:51 It sounds all very sensible and wise. 18:56:11 yeah i think i mean gaussian cgs 18:56:25 whatever Purcell, Electricity and Magnetism uses 18:56:27 Why do I always use the royal we when describing how my code works, in, say, a comment? 18:56:33 I like the fact that measuring the electric constant doesn't count as an experiment any more. 18:56:39 I am turning into Oleg 18:56:47 Sgeo: common practice in academic writing 18:56:50 Sgeo, why do you expect us to introspect for you? 18:57:14 "We" is somewhat unroyal in any paper with more than one author, though. 18:57:16 -!- stuntaneous has joined. 18:57:36 i usually use either the academic 'we' or imperative statements with no subject ('// frob the woznitzes') 18:57:53 i'll use 'I' when I'm talking specifically about me, rather than a notional reader or executor of the code 18:58:03 what pronoun do a group of royals use to refer to themselves? 18:58:11 so things like "// I couldn't make this work" or "// I have no idea why this is so fucked" 18:58:15 Even if there's just one guy doing all the work, and a couple of bureaucratic supervisors tagging their names on it, there's still nominally a group to talk about. 18:59:35 Phantom_Hoover: Maybe they use the "royal I", then. 18:59:46 oh 18:59:49 didn't think of that 18:59:51 clever 18:59:56 Ha 19:01:44 oh god why am I watching Star Trek bloopers bloopers ruin the magic 19:01:49 Academic "we" = "the author and the reader" 19:01:53 Nothing royal about it. 19:01:57 Um, no? 19:02:01 Academic "we" = the authors. 19:02:19 Or author. 19:02:20 And potentially non-author members of the research team. 19:02:31 I guess "we show that ..." doesn't really work with my interpretation. :-( 19:02:34 Sgeo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgspzYMdqdc 19:03:19 shachaf: Arguably the reader is such an integral part of the whole publication process, the use of "we show" is justified, in that the reader is also participating "in spirit". (At least if you really like to argue.) 19:03:22 those edits are all i know of tng 19:03:44 i have a... skewed perspective on it 19:04:05 I can't really find any non-W|A sources for the unit "an", the symbol of which is "An". It's not a terribly googleable word. 19:04:29 war comes to long an 19:04:34 Suddenly I'm nostalging for a location in Active Worlds that I have not managed to find in a long time 19:06:42 fizzie: If you do find any, let this guy know: http://www.unc.edu/~rowlett/units/index.html 19:06:58 hmm… an emu is a dekaämpere? 19:07:50 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:09:11 ais523: did you spontaneously and from your own free will use a diaeresis on an english word? 19:09:40 boily: You must be new here. (OK, you're not, but the point stands) 19:10:08 boily, man i used to use them all the time 19:10:22 then i changed computer and i couldn't work out how to set the compose key 19:10:23 I mean, the only place I see them are in the New Yorker. 19:10:53 Phantom_Hoover: setxkbmap -option compose:ralt 19:11:08 Phantom_Hoover: don't listen to him. setxkbmap ca -variant multix 19:11:56 -!- monqy has joined. 19:12:01 boily: it's a meme in this channel 19:12:09 to use diareses in every context in which they even remotely fit 19:12:24 although sometimes we forget 19:12:32 äïs523: now I see. 19:12:37 Y'know you're just using the diaeresis MARK, right? Diaereses are there whether you indicate them or not. 19:13:13 äïs̈ 19:13:53 Anyway I use diæreses in English for words like coöperation even outside of this channel. 19:13:57 It's common sense! 19:14:06 I do too. 19:14:24 I have a sign on my cubicle that reads “Noöne appreciates diaeresis marks.” 19:14:27 c�mm�n sense 19:14:44 TwilightSpockle: that's a good one. 19:14:51 boily: diaeresis marks don't work like that 19:15:07 although come to think of it, shouldn't it be diäeresis? or am I pronouncing it all wrong? 19:15:18 ais523: An abampere (i.e. the emu-cgs biot) of current going around in a circle with a radius of one centimetre produces a macnetic field of 2pi oerjans... I mean, oersteds at the center. 19:15:30 There seems to be no shortage of units, fortunately. 19:16:07 fizzie: except it doesn't, because in order to get current to flow in a circle you need it to use a superconductor, and those act weirdly wrt magnetism, IIRC 19:16:27 the standard experiment is that if you make a coil of superconductor, and put a magnet inside it 19:16:29 it won't fall 19:16:35 because if it did, it would generate an infinite amount of heat 19:17:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:17:03 ais523: Well there go my plans on destroying the universe :( 19:17:47 (in practice, typically it falls but very slowly, as the magnet itself interferes with the superconductivity) 19:18:18 strangely, I have a hunch that destroying the universe bmayo be easier than hacking egobot. 19:18:38 argh. stupid attributes. c07test 19:19:21 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:19:33 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 19:19:34 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:20:31 i agree with boily 19:21:36 "bmayo" 19:21:43 do you know a tv show whose theme goes like 29219...........29219.6......... 19:21:45 are you sending nonstandard color codes? 19:22:39 ais523: they were working an hour ago in another channel, following weechat's doc. no idea why they insert spurious chars here. 19:22:49 one symbol per beat and number n means C*440*2^(n/12) hz 19:22:53 another test that shouldn't work. 19:22:54 was the other channel on another server? 19:23:03 and was it -c? 19:23:04 yes, and it just worked here. 19:23:15 it is ctrl-c, then c, then a number. 19:23:29 hi monqy 19:23:38 Oops. 19:24:04 so, as I was saying, destroying the universe bmayo be easier than hacking egobot. 19:24:07 AAAAARGH! 19:24:13 bbold 19:24:29