00:00:12 http://www.aaanet.org/issues/policy-advocacy/Statement-on-Marriage-and-the-family.cfm `-` 00:00:30 Google Reader is shutting down :( 00:00:47 Bike: nice XD 00:01:26 like come on, don't say "anthropology" if you don't know shit about it, how hard is that 00:01:29 what's Google Reader? 00:01:38 Google's RSS reader service 00:02:14 Can't you use uh... thunderbird or something 00:02:31 yes Bike, there exist multiple RSS readers 00:02:39 that doesn't mean that the death of one RSS reader is insignificant 00:02:48 The problem with any non-cloud RSS reader for me is that computers don't seem to last long in my hands. 00:02:52 "GMail is shutting down" "WELL JUST RUN YOUR DOWN DNS AND MX, LOSER" 00:02:56 own* 00:02:59 ok, ok, i get it 00:03:00 Bike: are anthropologists nice people 00:03:08 Dammit, now I need a new RSS reader. 00:03:18 and yeah, the hosted service is super useful 00:03:31 this might be an impetus for me to make my own strange RSS reader with various features i've wanted 00:03:34 elliott: now that they've mostly gotten over the vast galloping racism, yeah they're pretty cool. i had a professor who worked in the caribbean making oil shirtless with the people he was studying 00:03:44 like the HN spamfiltered tricklefeed 00:04:02 At least I'll be abandoning a misfeature of Google Reader: The whole "You haven't read it after 30 days? Guess what, you have!" thing 00:04:21 Bike: i never knew racism could gallop 00:04:51 kmc: you should steal my rss strategy 00:04:53 it's to not use it 00:04:59 k 00:05:09 i'll just have Sgeo ping me on IRC whenevr any of my webcomics update 00:05:24 elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jean_Louis_Th%C3%A9odore_G%C3%A9ricault_001.jpg artists' depiction of galloping racists 00:05:36 HEY NOW you said galloping racism not galloping racists 00:05:42 refund pls??? 00:06:02 "racism" is the plural of "racist", which is the kind of hovervehicle depicted in this image 00:06:20 oh ok 00:06:28 hth 00:06:55 anyway i'll ask what my friend who actually uses rss uses as a reader, in order to atone for my sins 00:13:37 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:16:15 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 00:35:21 I should continue reading about OI 00:35:22 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:35:53 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:36:28 Sgeo: the comonad? 00:36:44 Yes 00:36:56 elliott keeps saying it doesn't work, but I'd love to know what 'it' is 00:37:10 Well, what would an "OI a" be? 00:37:11 @hoogle comonad 00:37:12 package comonad 00:37:12 package comonad-extras 00:37:12 package comonad-random 00:37:30 Wouldn't it be an "a" along with the entire universe? 00:37:35 You can't really pass the universe around. 00:39:16 * Sgeo hands tswett a frog 00:39:25 I stand corrected. 00:39:57 http://comonad.com/reader/2011/free-monads-for-less-3/ "[The second problem with RealWorld is], you don't really get to pass the real world around! We have multiple cores working these days." 00:39:58 give me a comonad and a place to stand, and i will lift the RealWorld 00:40:15 I like the implication that before multi-core processors came about, it was possible to pass the real world around. 00:40:32 damn multicores ruining everything. 00:41:15 Going to watch a video on Idris then continue reading the OI paper 00:41:36 Oh the video is an hour long 00:41:40 :/ 00:42:33 Bike: no followers on my sideblog, even :< 00:42:55 Fiora: it would help if i knew it existed 00:43:02 oh. I thought I mentioned it to you 00:43:04 like just put a thing on your blog saying "hey nerds get the fuck over here" 00:43:05 Fiora, btw, you may like this http://www.fpgarelated.com/showarticle/44.php 00:43:07 fiorasm.tumblr.com 00:43:10 your main blog, i mean 00:43:14 oh 00:44:01 because otherwise nobody will know it exists 00:44:08 and you will be asming in the æther 00:48:35 This paper seems a bit... off 00:48:48 or, hmm 00:48:50 Sgeo: so how was the interview? 00:49:01 Arc_Koen, it went well, I ... think, not sure though 00:49:33 yeah nobody's ever certain 00:49:52 did she say anything about your shampoo? 00:49:53 Ok, this paper keeps calling bind impure 00:49:57 Arc_Koen, he, and no. 00:50:17 er, like >>= bind? 00:50:40 yes 00:51:20 Maybe I'm not quite grasping its terminology 00:52:04 err.... 00:52:37 "Typically, IO operations of a Haskell program are performed in the main module, which has the type () -> IO()." 00:52:43 c00kiemon5ter: that whole thing seems kind of weird... I guess it's trying to find a better way to code 'call' instructions, but it never talks about any other instructions on the machine...? 00:52:58 Sgeo: i thought main was IO ()? 00:53:02 Bike, it is 00:53:15 also it's not a module? 00:53:21 is it a module 00:53:32 Well, main is typically found in a module called Main, but... 00:53:46 Don't know if that's always the case 00:53:46 the idea is kinda cool? but I think calls are only a couple percent of code size 00:53:52 I'd guess jumps are a lot more 00:53:54 are we talking about modules as in ringy vector spaces 00:54:02 Phantom_Hoover, we are talking Haskell 00:54:03 if only. 00:54:10 Phantom_Hoover: yes. 00:54:11 And this paper is making me go "er..." a lot 00:54:12 D-modules in fact. 00:54:36 Fiora: you know it's a good paper when it starts out by talking about totally unrelated bullshit about technology adoption 00:54:57 (i was really expecting something more interesting when i looked up what modules were) 00:55:19 nothing is interesting 00:55:22 everything is interesting 00:56:34 I guess it's just like, the idea for a 'table' of calls is kind of cool, but it feels like it wouldn't actually help that much, and it's only like, a tiny part of what defines a processor 00:57:13 well he does say it's a minor component. 00:57:15 I might be misreading it though, since it seems to be implying there's some larger impact (?) 00:57:29 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:57:33 I guess I'm also a little confused by "interpreters" that don't execute any instructions <.< 00:59:01 that's where the bullshit comes in 01:01:03 Phantom_Hoover, have you been watching PMMM? I'm about to watch second ep. of Farscape 01:01:10 yeah 01:01:15 i especially liked that part where... 01:01:53 yeah that was a good part 01:07:35 Sgeo, ok i'll admit, i haven't 01:07:46 i'm sorry for fooling you 01:08:16 honesty is the best policy 01:08:23 now go watch it sillybutt :p 01:08:29 oh i thought you were referring to That Spoiler 01:08:40 which i don't know what it is but everybody sure gets excited about it 01:09:34 $character dies 01:09:42 01:09:44 oh no!! 01:10:11 $character was my favorite :( 01:10:38 let's face it, it would just be a letdown after farscape 01:10:42 imo and when except saturday turkeys 01:12:05 elliott i don't think you actually said anything 01:12:22 phantiieee you should watch it 01:12:23 how dare you bike, i said that which is ! 01:12:29 he said 'imo and when except saturday turkeys' 01:12:38 (rle'd) 01:12:49 oh 01:13:07 «what our Vatican analyst calls a «hinge point»» who the hell does NBC hire 01:13:51 people who quote with «these stupid things» 01:14:09 they interviewed a white american guy to say that it was great for latin america 01:14:27 elliott’s “ ” and the others’ “something (if i got the color code right)” look different in my terminal. 01:14:31 Ok, i didn’t. 01:14:37 blah ok 01:14:46 elliott, don't make fun of my luxembourgish heritage :( 01:14:53 I think elliott was using spaces and I was doing this 01:15:11 i'm literally having to clear my terminal so i don't highlight things because i hate seeing spoilers for anything 01:15:19 imo torture 01:15:25 spoiler: we are talking 01:15:29 !!!!!!!!!!! 01:15:32 how DARE you 01:15:35 :3 01:15:37 elliott, moby dick dies 01:15:53 elliott: (just to be fair I'm not actually posting any spoilers) 01:15:55 (it's a joke) 01:15:58 fuck 01:16:01 sorry ._. 01:16:02 now my mockery 01:16:04 seems stupid 01:16:07 because it was just repetition instead 01:16:11 Fiora i'm going to have to arrest you 01:16:19 * Fiora hides under a blanket 01:16:20 for crimes against humanity 01:16:24 you can't see me you can't arrest meeeee 01:16:31 ok i admit 01:16:44 that the legal system has yet to find a way to deal with such new forms of jail avoidance 01:16:59 but when we do you are getting locked up 01:17:09 more importantly: Fiora lives on an island, we all know what elliott's like with those 01:17:11 In spoilerjail? 01:17:23 where does fiora live again 01:17:24 `? fiora 01:17:27 Fiora is from some island somewhere. She just doesn't want to be bothered, as she works out her domination plan as immortal queen of the dragons. 01:17:32 ah, some island somewhere 01:17:38 it's nice in the summer 01:17:45 also the fall, though not the winter 01:17:50 ok at best in the spring 01:17:51 wait, what @_@ 01:17:54 um, can we get a better definition 01:18:16 i agree, we should make it more specific 01:18:19 is it guam 01:18:19 have you seen... anyone else's definitions 01:18:31 well except elliott's, his is biased 01:18:40 `run cat "Fiora is from some island south of that other place with the cats. She just doesn't want to be bothered, as she works out her domination plan as immortal queen of the dragons." > wisdom/fiora 01:18:42 i didn't actually write mine 01:18:45 cat: Fiora is from some island south of that other place with the cats. She just doesn't want to be bothered, as she works out her domination plan as immortal queen of the dragons.: No such file or directory 01:18:47 that's the best thing about it 01:18:49 wow good job me 01:18:51 from another place thing 01:18:52 Bike: hi have you heard of echo 01:18:52 i am a unix master 01:18:55 "Shoujo, JRPG, strategy, and otome game fangirl. Extended exposure may necessitate insulin. Engages Nitya^H^H^H^H^HBike, her putative genderswap, in jargony conversations of doom." 01:19:07 fiora that seems entirely too helpful 01:19:08 entries aren't allowed to be accurate Fiora 01:19:08 observe: 01:19:11 `? bike 01:19:14 Bike is from Luxembourg. 01:19:18 :< 01:19:20 elliott, what about mine... 01:19:27 The specificity in my location means it can't be about anything else. 01:19:28 if you can falsify it from somewhere between a bit to all of it then we could use it 01:19:44 `? Phantom_Hoover 01:19:46 Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist. 01:19:51 How about, "Extended exposure my necessitate BZ" 01:19:53 may* 01:19:56 BZ? 01:19:57 Phantom_Hoover: well there are no true scotsmen 01:20:23 Fiora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate has been referred to in the media as "zombie gas' 01:21:10 what do you expect from the media 01:21:10 so has anyone used it recreationally yet 01:22:18 Bike: what's it like in luxembourg by the way 01:22:28 adequate 01:22:39 `? luxembourg 01:22:42 luxembourg? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:22:44 `learn Luxembourg is adequate. 01:22:51 I knew that. 01:22:52 all in a day's work 01:23:13 Fiora: also you should use ^W instead of ^H, it's the wave of the future. 01:24:01 "Shoujo, JRPG, strategy, and otome game fangirl. Putative genderswap of Bike. Extended exposure may necessitate insulin (and possibly x86 assembly manuals). Is actually a human/cat hybrid." 01:24:33 * Fiora not very good at this 01:24:51 `learn Fiora not very good at this 01:24:56 I knew that. 01:25:28 `learn Fiora is a stack of assembly manuals done up in shoujo makeup. 01:25:29 ~_~ 01:25:35 that is not truueueeeee 01:25:36 I knew that. 01:26:02 Well, yeah, I figure I should suppress knowledge of your true nature as queen of the dragons. 01:26:08 have we found any true information in the wisdom db yet 01:26:19 `learn Fiora has no adequate wisdom entry 01:26:19 `? itidus21 01:26:24 itidus21 just made some instant coffee. 01:26:27 I knew that. 01:26:32 he only just made it in the past though 01:26:40 hm 01:26:46 `? oerjan 01:26:48 Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian. 01:26:57 that one seems mostly accurate I guess 01:27:03 `? ais523 01:27:06 Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. 01:27:12 `forget Fiora 01:27:13 i remember `? elliott being accurate last i checked 01:27:15 Forget what? 01:27:18 finally a 100% true wisdom db entry 01:27:51 fiora, well, you've just gotta make it funny. 01:27:58 and otome games are way too serious to joke about. 01:29:00 is this some esoteric "nerd culture" thing 01:29:11 let's say yes 01:29:33 talk about how I'm actually a magical girl cat princess who stalks the streets at night to defeat evildoers with the power of love and SSE 01:29:36 worse - the animes 01:30:03 fanfiction is also too serious fiora 01:30:03 yeah that sounds pretty "nerd culture" to me 01:30:32 monqy, stop saying that when kmc's online 01:31:16 Bike: homestuck shipping is totally serious 01:31:20 freakin' vriskapolagists 01:31:35 Phantom_Hoover: which part 01:31:52 `learn Fiora is a freakin' vriskapologist. 01:31:57 I knew that. 01:32:04 biiiike 01:32:09 vriskapologists? 01:32:12 is that a sgeo thing 01:32:19 do you hate vriska 01:32:47 no she's one of my favorite characters <.< 01:32:53 I was making a joke about a dumb drama thing 01:33:02 see? freakin' vriskaapologist. 01:33:07 biiiiikeeeeeee 01:33:22 hm, dumb drama things . . . 01:33:53 monqy your ellipsis is falling apart 01:33:59 it needs a doctor 01:34:08 woops… 01:34:36 much better 01:35:30 i'm going to assume that drawing out my name is some kind of gesture of affection and approval of my fiorology 01:36:08 fiorology? @_@ 01:36:32 formal study of fioro 01:36:55 fiorology n. (1) the study of Fioras (2) the study of fioro (3) nickname for Idi Amin 01:37:35 ah, you must have been using (3) there 01:37:59 who's hosing whom down with BZ now 01:38:03 um. what are you trying to study about me 01:39:07 Wisdom, dera. 01:39:10 Dear. 01:39:12 why you're associated with idi amin 01:39:16 erda 01:40:14 read, dare, rade 01:40:38 * Fiora goes to walk home 01:41:15 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 01:41:52 Phantom_Hoover, is Chrighton assuming that these replicant things are dumb? 01:42:03 Then again, they are... why reveal that they could do what they did 01:42:44 i only barely remember the start of season 1 01:45:14 are you a replican or a replicant 01:45:42 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:46:08 repuplicant 01:47:47 wtf the video restarted to the beginning 01:48:29 Phantom_Hoover: why are you always complaining about me complaining about things 01:48:29 did you put it on "loop" 01:51:00 kmc, because you're always complaining about things 01:59:27 maybe i'll start complaining about how you're always complaining about me complaining about things 01:59:47 and then start complaining about how that's a cheap, trite form of meta-humor 02:00:25 i'm sorry this whole conversation has become obnoxiously meta 02:01:00 can we not do the thing where we attempt to gain the upper hand by standing on each other's feet 02:01:28 Now kiss! 02:01:50 that is the natural consequence of the overall tactic, yes 02:03:12 i don't kiss people who i've never seen in person 02:03:30 well it's a ghost hoover 02:03:34 you pretty much know what you're getting 02:03:41 also a gay vampire 02:03:59 Casper The Homosexual Friendly Ghost? 02:04:26 (that's a wesley willis song folks) 02:04:28 2 out of 4 is... average, i guess 02:04:40 2 whats out of 4 whats 02:04:52 kmc's #esoteric cultural enrichment program 02:05:02 2 of the 4 central properties of hoover 02:05:05 cultural revolution more like 02:06:03 Oooh do we have any statues, I want to destroy a statue. 02:06:09 hey guys remember when idi amin was the topic for like three minutes 02:06:10 I bet elliott's a statue. 02:06:13 which hoover we talking about? phantom? herbert? j. edgar? the guy who invented the vacuum cleaner who wasn't actually named hoover? 02:06:34 i just remembered you should totally click this and read it http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2002/jun/11/features11.g21 02:06:39 if we're talking about people i don't want to kiss i'm going to have to go with j. 02:06:56 in which a respected british journalist says "guys i got the chance to shoot that guy and i didn't, sorry, i fucked up" 02:07:00 what the fuck 02:07:01 kmc, w.d. 'boss' hoover was the hoover guy 02:07:14 it is the best article 02:07:29 bravado failed him 02:08:25 heh 02:08:31 what an article, yikes 02:08:44 i too have failed to follow through on various fantasies of killing my fellow passengers while traveling in various conveyances 02:08:46 literally a paragraph about killing a guy 02:09:10 i mean it would almost make sense as a lead in to a longer article about amin? but nope just yeah i coulda shot that guy 02:09:12 not killing a guy 02:09:20 Bike, maybe it was a letter 02:09:28 i was going to start an ethics discussion about murdering an evil dictator in cold blood, but then I remembered that was an episode of House and it wasn't very good 02:10:38 i think the house episode may have been inspired by that possibly 02:10:44 can we talk about compiling a list of historical hoovers 02:10:54 historical hoovers 02:10:57 and the difficulties thereof 02:11:05 if you were locked in an elevator with idi amin, jon snow, and simon peyton jones, who would you fuck, who would you kill, and who would you marry? 02:11:15 good question 02:11:51 fun fact: the closest thing to a prominent female hoover is miss hoover from the simpsons 02:12:13 do i have to do all 3 of those to get out of the elevator 02:12:19 do i get out of the elevator at all 02:12:22 can i kill myself 02:12:44 suicide is not the answer monqy 02:12:45 if they're all in the elevator forever they're pretty much dead anyway 02:12:53 unless the question is "what is killing yourself called" 02:12:57 You have to do all three, in order, without leaving the elevator. After accomplishing all three you will be released. 02:13:14 will the two you didn't kill be released 02:13:24 are you allowed to select the same person for two of them 02:13:26 well you're married to one of them now 02:13:30 can i do all 3 to the same person 02:13:30 imprisoned forever 02:13:34 it could be a tragically short marraige 02:13:35 Yes. 02:13:35 can i do all 3 to myself??? 02:13:38 instant divorce 02:13:39 No. 02:14:01 is the elevator a valid option for any of the three 02:15:04 who's jon snow 02:15:18 the channel 4 news guy 02:15:41 sadly finding videos of him on youtube is difficult 02:15:52 channel 4... oh, you mean in Britain where there are only 4 channels and one is literally named "Channel 4" 02:15:54 kmc: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jon+snow&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=nDBBUczLO-yX0QWTr4HABQ&ved=0CFsQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=996 02:15:59 kmc: hint: it's NOT most of these 02:16:04 helping 02:16:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WUSV6DRH5w 02:16:17 kmc: there are actually 5 channels 02:16:19 illustrative example 02:16:20 the fifth one is named Channel 5 02:16:24 elliott, no there aren't 02:16:36 Phantom_Hoover: we have to face the harsh reality 02:16:42 channel 5 won't go away no matter how much we want it to 02:16:43 we didn't have channel 5 when i were a lad and i'm perfectly happy to leave it that way 02:16:46 elliott: i cannot watch your video due to a sudden case of Shockwave Flash Crashingitis 02:16:53 thank god it's Phantom_Hoover's video then 02:17:07 wait i see an opportunity for unwarranted smugness 02:17:12 what's channel 5 02:17:15 um don't you have the html5 player enabled :) 02:17:19 um don't you use youtube-dl :) 02:17:28 monqy: it's the fifth channel 02:17:34 it's like Vorpal is still with us 02:17:36 the one you get to by pressing 5 on your remote, if you tuned your tv correctly 02:17:55 Phantom_Hoover: that accident in which he died by fucking, marrying, and then killing an elevator was so tragic :( 02:18:31 we still have his scsi port to remember him by, though 02:18:33 monqy: also it comes after channel 4 02:18:33 i thought it was fuck, then kill, then marry 02:18:40 is doing it out of order why he died 02:18:43 well we can never be sure 02:18:54 both his and the elevator's corpse were too mangled to tell :( 02:19:12 ok i feel the need to give an impromptu lesson about our tv channels 02:19:21 the first channel (1) is BBC1 02:19:33 ok i think i found channel 5 02:19:35 the second channel (2) is BBC2, it's like BBC1 with slightly higher standards 02:19:47 the third channel (3) is ITV1, it's not terribly good 02:20:00 the fourth channel (4) is Channel 4 and it's pretty cool 02:20:06 the fifth channel (5) is Channel 5 and we don't like to talk about it 02:20:15 BBC1 and BBC2 don't have any adverts because of communism 02:20:17 the rest do 02:20:27 um 02:20:29 Phantom_Hoover: did i forget anything 02:20:35 hey isn't ITV1 called something wacky in scotland 02:20:43 and doesn't 4 have like a different schedule or something 02:20:52 channel 5 mostly lives off the scraps of programmes the better channels cast off and the fungus that grows on parts of its body 02:20:53 5 looks like where they run their uhh 02:21:04 Phantom_Hoover: also bad US shows!! 02:21:07 csi, men in black 2, more csi 02:21:13 oh Peep Show is on Channel 4 02:21:14 elliott, it's called stv in scotland (and utv in ni) 02:21:16 are you looking at uk tv listings monqy 02:21:16 celebrity big brother 02:21:18 my opinion of Channel 4 instantly exists 02:21:24 i don't think it's called wtv in wales because who cares 02:21:35 kmc: channel 4 is the ~edgy~ channel of the five channels that exist 02:21:35 elliott: not quite 02:21:41 kmc, channel 4 did a bunch of good comedy series 02:21:53 monqy: are you looking at the channel five website 02:22:03 all of linehan's work, darkplace, spaced, i think brass eye and jam 02:22:03 oh let me tell you more things about channel 5 02:22:08 For kids programme's starting at 6 am they have Milkshake! showing Thomas and Friends, The Beeps,The WotWots, Peppa Pig, Castle Farm, Little Princess, Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom, The Mr. Men Show, Noddy in Toyland, Fifi and the Flowertots, Roary the Racing Car, Bert and Ernie and Bananas in Pyjamas. 02:22:17 which i suspect you might not believe -- monqy: i used to watch that when i was real young -- 02:22:25 (whether jam is a good comedy series is a matter of some debate) 02:22:36 ok so 02:22:44 when channel 5 first started existing in 1997 it was called channel 5 02:22:48 Spaced is OK, Brass Eye I hear is good, the others I don't know 02:22:53 then they renamed it to "five" 02:22:55 elliott 02:23:05 then a rich guy bought it out 02:23:07 kmc just called Spaced ok 02:23:13 and decided "five" was a stupi dname 02:23:16 and renamed it back to "Channel 5" 02:23:19 Shake! made a return to the channel on 4 October 2009 every Sunday morning after agreeing a deal with Disney. The block features Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place and Snobs. It also saw the return of Channel 5's hit teen show The Tribe. 02:23:24 hit teen show 02:23:28 it has literally gone through two renamings without getting more descriptive than the fifth number 02:23:34 i've been watching An Idiot Abroad... that's on Sky1 in HD (pronounced haitch-dee of course) 02:23:47 The Tribe is a New Zealand/British post-apocalyptic fictional TV series primarily aimed at teenagers. It is set in a near-future in which all adults have been wiped out by a deadly virus, leaving the children of the world to fend for themselves. 02:23:51 kmc: sorry but the channels on sky don't 'actually' 'exist' 02:23:54 they're not strictly television, they're 'sky' 02:23:56 uh elliott 5 is the sixth number 02:24:01 oops 02:24:09 it's the influence of those goddamn mathematicians i swear 02:24:17 wait 02:24:21 how do you know what order i was using checkmate?? 02:24:25 kmc, (also jam is a deeply disturbing surrealist thing chris morris did) 02:24:26 -_- 02:24:31 Series 4 begins just as the Technos are starting their invasion. They possess advanced technology and the Mall Rats are helpless against them. 02:24:44 In Series 5, Mega becomes the new leader of the Technos. He has plans to take over the City and is helped by Java, who manipulates Ebony's mind with virtual reality. Ebony, believing Zoot has come back, with her sisters, Java and Siva, create a new Tribe, the Zootists, and take control of the outside of the City. 02:24:47 kmc: btw i think spaced was a bit better than ok if i remember correctly, by the way Phantom_Hoover would kill me if i didn't say this 02:24:51 kmc: jon snow wrote the shooting amin article 02:24:53 (i don't know how to describe it any better beyond the fact that i mostly just found it relaxing, which is itself fairly disturbing) 02:25:00 elliott i dont see how any channel with this on it could be bad 02:25:07 elliott: ok we can 'agree to disagree' 02:25:13 also i haven't seen that many eps. so maybe it gets better 02:25:23 or is just one of those things that magically becomes hilarious after you've seen a lot of it 02:25:24 kmc: uh haven't you ever heard of aumann's agreement theorem 02:25:27 without getting better at any point 02:25:29 like jerkcity 02:25:34 i think the essential problem is that you're not british 02:25:35 no 02:25:37 try fixing that 02:25:40 hm 02:26:07 Ved starts a relationship with Mall Rat Cloe but when she tells him she is pregnant, he immediately dumps her. 02:26:09 that said 02:26:16 realistic teen drama man 02:26:21 i'm ok with calling spaced shit because thingy whats his name is now in that new star trek film which has 02:26:22 this s*** is relatable 02:26:24 the stupidest 02:26:24 name 02:26:25 of all time 02:26:28 fucking 02:26:28 all rat cloe 02:26:35 is it stupider than Mall Rat Cloe 02:26:49 kmc, i think if you didn't find the first 2 episodes funny you probably won't like the rest 02:26:49 guys its literally called "star trek into darkness" they,re using trek as a VERB 02:26:56 you don't know how much this makes me suffer 02:27:03 but what are they using 'star' as... 02:27:11 Adverb. 02:27:12 Cloe becomes addicted to reality space and whilst playing the game, vanishes. Ved is distraught as he actually loved her. 02:27:15 i like Peep Show and TM&WL and Spaced and TToI and Extras and An Idiot Abroad and most of the other things Gervais and Merchant have done, but I don't like the UK version of The Office which I'm told means I don't "get" British comedy 02:27:19 to boldly trek where none had trekked before 02:27:21 is 'trek' imperative? 02:27:28 Probably. 02:27:31 are they ordering a star to trek into darkness 02:27:37 possibly to illuminate its contents 02:27:42 No, that would be "Star, Trek Into Darkness". 02:27:43 hmm wait 02:27:46 ok maybe i like the title because 02:27:53 Star is definitely an adverb. 02:27:54 there's going to be a really forced moment where they try to get the title into dialogue 02:27:56 alternately: it's an allegory for what they're doing to cumberbatch and pegg 02:27:56 Start Rekin To Darkness 02:27:58 and it'll be so bad 02:28:00 and it'll all be worth it 02:28:26 "this journey you're taking, to a place that's so dark... are you guys on some kind of... star trek... into darkness???? [beat]" 02:28:28 elliott: shit, man, i'm a natural born killer 02:28:55 also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ViTp9uur8 02:29:05 monqy: btw what show is this 02:29:06 Everyone thinks that Bray is the father of Trudy's baby; however, Bray's brother, Zoot, is the father. 02:29:26 elliott: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tribe_(TV_series) i found it from the channel 5 programming article 02:29:39 elliott: Shake! made a return to the channel on 4 October 2009 every Sunday morning after agreeing a deal with Disney. The block features Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place and Snobs. It also saw the return of Channel 5's hit teen show The Tribe. 02:29:43 elliott, do you remember shitty children's dramas 02:29:47 hit teen show!!!!! 02:30:03 Phantom_Hoover: sort of kind of 02:30:07 be more specific and it might become a yes 02:30:31 In 1998, the channel began to show more risqué late-night programmes such as Compromising Situations, Hotline and the controversially explicit Sex and Shopping. In 1999, there was a large increase in adult entertainment shown on the channel, including UK Raw and Red Shoe Diaries, giving the channel a reputation for being home to hours of pornography. 02:30:37 thank you channel 5 02:30:57 Adult entertainment, live football, and the 21:00 films were the main source of viewing for the channel, causing then-director of programming Dawn Airey to stress that Channel 5 was about "more than just films, football and fucking!", though this quote is still often misquoted as a description of the channel's programming strategy rather than as a denial of that strategy. 02:31:04 i see why you say channel 5 is bad now 02:31:22 'Sex and Shopping' 02:31:24 what is this show about 02:31:27 i mean besides the obvious 02:31:39 Sex and Shopping was a documentary series on the global sex industry. The series examines contemporary attitudes concerning commercial sex, censorship and experimentation. 02:31:52 sex shopping, i guess 02:31:52 ah well 02:31:57 that's a lot more highbrow than I was expecting 02:32:02 i'd prefer a show that's just like half about sex, half about shopping 02:32:03 bit of a bait and switch really 02:32:05 no relation between the two 02:32:11 except the same people 02:32:16 haha 02:32:24 The channel attracted some controversy for its reality series The Farm in 2004 and 2005.[42] The show, which revolved around celebrities working on a farm, saw Rebecca Loos masturbating a pig in order to collect semen. 02:32:29 captures the core sex/shopping demogrpahic 02:32:44 british tv sounds pretty awesome, not gonna lie 02:32:51 monqy: not to be confused with the ill fated Dwight-centric 2013 spinoff of The Office (US), also titled The Farm 02:32:54 (srsly) 02:33:06 yikes 02:33:14 also The level of adult entertainment was scaled back, and reality shows such as Naked Jungle and The Mole proved popular. However, other reality shows such as Touch the Truck and Jailbreak were less successful. 02:33:17 "In October 2004, she appeared on the reality television programme The Farm, a Channel 5 version of the RTE show Celebrity Farm, in the course of which she masturbated a boar to collect its semen.[10] The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals accused producers of pandering to a morbid and sordid fascination with farm animals while PETA and Mediawatch-uk demanded the show be taken off the air." 02:33:17 FarmSpace 02:33:24 im really curious about what touch the truck is about 02:33:26 the worst thing about british tv is that bbc don't have adverts 02:33:29 like 02:33:35 you get taxed, right? 02:33:38 no 02:33:41 it does if you watch via Hulu :) 02:33:42 well yes it's a tv license thing 02:33:43 but 02:33:45 you have to pay a tv licence 02:33:45 fuckin' socialist 02:33:47 s 02:33:52 the hamlet (starring doctor who as hamlet) they did recently 02:33:53 was like 02:33:55 four hours 02:33:59 by recently i mean years ago btw 02:34:08 what, like, brannagh's? 02:34:14 you are not peeing during hamlet 02:34:17 the bbc will not allow it to happen 02:34:26 however the attitude of the tv licensing agency is 'you have a tv and if you aren't paying you're probably hiding one' 02:34:28 the irony being that the original play has an intermission doesn't it 02:34:36 yes i was hoping there would be an intermission 02:34:37 there was not 02:34:42 good job bbc 02:34:42 i got a letter about it, it was amazing 02:34:43 Bike: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1449175/ this one 02:34:49 way to piss on shakespeare 02:35:03 Touch the Truck was a British Channel 5 endurance gameshow which aired in 2001. 02:35:06 It was hosted by Dale Winton[1] and involved a group of 20 contestants holding onto a truck with the last person left touching the truck winning it. 02:35:11 you can't watch live feeds from the iplayer, but you /can/ watch tv if it's on a device without an antenna or mains power 02:35:25 what the hell is "Modern" about it 02:35:27 oh, that last part is also only if your parents have a tv licence 02:35:28 also featured in that hamlet: david tennant saying "did you think i meant country matters" in the most explicit way he can think of 02:35:32 Jerry Middleton, 39, from Winchester, Hampshire, was the winner who managed to stay awake touching the vehicle for 81 hours 43 minutes and 31 seconds. 02:35:41 elliott: failing to bring a pee bucket to Hamlet is a noob mistake 02:35:47 it was like COUNT......rrry matters 02:36:11 Bike: it was modern because it had cctv cameras and a gun 02:36:40 that show should have been called Don't Not Touch The Truck 02:36:44 i think my favorite hamlet adaptations are the modern ones 02:36:52 there was one where Osric was played by a fax machine 02:36:55 monqy: wow i just looked at those lines 02:37:05 Boring spammer etc http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:JohannaGE 02:37:11 yeah i've been sitting here laughing at monqy's quotes for like twenty minutes now 02:37:11 also when you say "starring doctor who as hamlet" I assume you mean that the BBC did a serious 4 hour adaptation of Hamlet but then at the end when Hamlet dies (spoiler) he gets up and is like "welp, I'm a time lord" and flies off 02:37:14 help 02:37:16 Phantom_Hoover: is it just me or is david tennant totally doomed 02:37:16 A 2001 movie, The Safety of Objects recounts what seems to be exactly a "Touch the Truck" show -- which even relates to the plot. The film chronicles a mother's mental voyage from the losing of his firstborn son to coma till the detachment from him ending in his mercy killing. And the show connects to this as the sleep withdrawn, delirious mother realizes that she'd still have her son if they 02:37:22 hadn't had a car -- and abruptly leaves hold of the truck. 02:37:22 like there is literally nothing he can do 02:37:26 that won't look like the doctor 02:37:43 are you just trying to satisfy your desire to see all scotsmen fail in life 02:37:46 well doctor who could be in any time 02:37:59 yeah exactly 02:38:06 think this through, elliott 02:38:14 BADGE PROGRESS: 02:38:14 Long Term Relationship 02:38:14 “Have sex with a single pony one thousand times.” 02:38:14 1/1,000 02:38:16 maybe dr who was shakespeare 02:38:27 [beaton comic] 02:38:31 tswett: deep 02:38:32 tswett: not the girl scouts I signed up for 02:38:54 have you guys seen that film "romeo + juliet" 02:38:56 it's kind of ridiculous 02:39:04 which one is that 02:39:07 (SPEAKING OF MODERNISED SHAKESPEARE ADAPTATIONS THAT STILL USE THE ORIGINAL DIALOGUE,) 02:39:10 oh is it the beach one 02:39:14 monqy: its the one with leonardo dicapriorefjo 02:39:16 Romeo Plus Juliet? 02:39:29 i dont know who that is 02:39:29 i have watched that film so many fucking times 02:39:32 its that guy 02:39:37 who,s in them films 02:39:41 i have spent so many fucking years of my life covering that play 02:39:44 romeo + juliet is great sorry 02:39:52 DRAW YOUR SWORD *pulls out a gun, of the Sword brand* 02:39:54 they shoot guns made by "sword" 02:39:54 yes 02:40:00 it's like, jesus 02:40:02 can you just use swords 02:40:03 also mercutio 02:40:05 it'll be less embarrassing for both of us 02:40:09 the best costuming in film history right there 02:40:10 Bike: that is still like, the only moment I remember from that movie 02:40:10 also Exit Music (For A Film) 02:40:12 but i remember i saw some odd romanized romeo&juliet at school when i was like 11 and i looked away during the sex scene 02:40:13 and I cannot help but giggle 02:40:15 every time I think about it 02:40:17 there was a sex scene right 02:40:18 Fiora: that's because it's amazing 02:40:31 monqy: romanised?????? 02:40:31 i remember there was another older romeo&juliet and it had a sex scene too 02:40:33 monqy: well they could hardly sell it if it didn't have sex 02:40:34 um 02:40:36 modernized 02:40:42 romeo & juliet adapted to be set in roman times 02:40:43 without sex it's like, a bunch of teenagers killing themselves for stupid reasons 02:40:44 we hope your rules and wisdom choke you 02:40:56 who wants to watch that? who's ever made thirty television shows about that 02:40:57 oh wait maybe the other one didnt have a sex scene it just had a breast shot 02:41:06 a bunch of teenagers killing themselves for stupid reasons --> isn't that like every horror movie 02:41:29 god dammit what was the other stupid thing about romeo + juliet 02:41:31 that i've forgotten 02:41:34 to wikipedia.......... 02:41:34 romeo and juliet and the slasher, let's do it 02:41:38 monqy, probably that was the zefirelli version 02:41:40 romeo and juliet and zomibes 02:41:43 prolly been done 3 years ago 02:41:46 we watched about 3 seconds of it 02:41:51 in english class 02:41:58 wasn't the juliet actor in the zeifjeifjeirjleli version like 13 or something 02:42:12 she's 13 in the play! 02:42:14 or 14 02:42:15 then the teacher turned it off and was all like oh we don't want to watch that it's all stuffy let's watch the cool baz luhrman version instead 02:42:17 young 02:42:18 there are soooooo many romeo and juliets how will i ever find the one i want 02:42:19 elliott, 16 02:42:26 and romeo is like 27 or something 02:42:30 Bike: well yes 02:42:33 totally normal 02:42:35 "The Chief of Police, Captain Prince" 02:42:40 yes 02:42:42 ok that may or may not have been the stupid thing i was trying to remember 02:42:44 but it's definitely really stupid 02:43:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:43:13 wow theyre making another romeo and juliet in 2013 02:43:15 whyyyyyyyyyyyYYYYYYYYYYYY 02:43:36 Oh Wikipedia mentions Romeo + Juliet as being "MTV inspired". 02:43:40 How can you not love this, elliott. 02:43:54 HIV inspired 02:44:13 i think the 2 i saw were zeffrely and romeo + juliet ye 02:44:23 monqy: you know this guy http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/LeonardoDiCaprioNov08.jpg thats the guy, whose in the films 02:44:32 elliott: its been like years man 02:44:38 i cant remember a THING 02:44:41 ooh i might remember uhh 02:44:42 uhh 02:44:48 i think shakespeare is best enjoyed as ridiculous personally 02:44:49 gosh i forget the character;s name 02:44:50 he was in titanic too 02:44:59 what a bad film 02:45:00 like "Much Ado About Nothing", is like three different puns about vaginas, in just the title 02:45:14 and Midsummer Night's Dream is just well, have you seen that shit 02:45:35 wait i bet there is a youtube of david tennant saying country matters 02:45:36 lets find out 02:45:50 except my browser is frozen because my computer is only marginally better than the fabled dumpster computer 02:46:58 well there is a video of the entire thing 02:47:14 the whole four hour movie? 02:47:20 apparently so 02:47:21 Bike: makes me wonder which bits of vulgar popular entertainment from today will be held up in 400 years as High Art 02:47:34 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF7E1185D25603E4C 02:47:35 enjoy 02:47:40 what is this 02:47:48 i'm thinking Jackass 02:47:53 I love God and thats all that truly matters. 02:47:53 |* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|Put 02:47:53 |* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|this 02:47:53 |* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|on 02:47:53 |* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|your 02:47:55 |* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|profile 02:47:56 it's all about post-cold-war politics, when you get down to it 02:47:58 |------------------------------------|if 02:48:00 |------------------------------------|you 02:48:03 |------------------------------------|are a 02:48:05 |------------------------------------|proud 02:48:08 |------------------------------------|American! 02:48:10 P.S. PLEASE don't cuss on my page. It just makes you sound like unoriginal idiot who can't find a better way to phrase whatever you want to say. Thanks!! ^-^ 02:48:13 less 02:48:19 thx, elliott. 02:48:36 Bike: yeah they will not believe we were that stupid and will instead over-parse it as sophisticated satire 02:48:55 elliott: a true patriot would use Unicode line-drawing characters 02:49:05 i've never seen Jackass but maybe i've heard a thing about it and then forgotten that thing 02:49:06 the best part about old stupid shit held up as art is that it usually was satire 02:49:13 just satire in the form of like being farted on 02:49:23 also that flag has only 9 stripes 02:49:37 the stars are in totally the wrong pattern, too. 02:49:42 oh right 02:49:46 i forgot to mention picard is the dude 02:49:47 the king guy 02:49:54 sorry, georgia, maryland, rhode island, and south carolina 02:49:55 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/US_flag_33_stars.svg speaking of which, this is the first result for "american flag" 02:49:56 its doctor who vs captain picard: the shakespeare performance 02:50:12 haha 02:50:17 look forward to seeing that in a news broadcast 02:50:20 brannagh's adaptation had Robin Williams as Osric 02:50:22 nevar forget 02:50:22 i really would have preferred if it was hamlet in space 02:50:42 osric is a guy near the end with like two lines if this helps 02:50:58 ok i found it 02:51:00 elliott: 'but even before she can get her knickers on, I've seen everything. Yeah. I've seen it all. ' 02:51:17 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYCXO-jAJg#t=4m57s 02:51:24 kmc: is that an art thing 02:51:30 uh 02:51:32 Yes. 02:51:37 god its even more blatant than i remembered 02:51:52 holy shit. 02:52:00 cunt. ry matters 02:52:06 wow 02:52:36 this is just ridiculous 02:52:49 its adult's goofing around 02:53:02 shaksper was brilliant for making this happen 02:53:05 anyway i'm going to go find a few sci-fi hamlet adaptations 02:53:25 preferably not like, the lion king, but we'll see 02:53:25 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4twhFgogHVU quick search 02:53:49 are you calling the lion king scifi 02:54:00 It's post-apocalyptic. Think about it. 02:54:21 this hamlet in space adaptation is p.good 02:54:28 "He played up the Oedipal overtones of the play, to the extent of casting the 28-year-old Eileen Herlie as Hamlet's mother, opposite himself (aged 41) as Hamlet" hamlet adaptations are an art form 02:55:49 "Indeed, Gibson was cast after Zeffirelli watched his character contemplate suicide in the first Lethal Weapon film.[22]" 02:57:09 nice 02:57:18 Hamlet, or The Last Game Without MMORPG Features, shaders and Product Placement is an award winning indie adventure game based on William Shakespeare's Hamlet. It was developed by indie game developer mif2000. 02:57:31 Features 02:57:31 25 levels 02:57:31 In the tradition of classic adventure games 02:57:31 Boss battles 02:57:31 Logic puzzles 02:58:16 i would like to see an adaption of macbeth with dogs 02:58:18 it was pretty hard figuring out polonius's attack pattern.... 02:58:19 like cgi dogs maybe 02:59:00 playing poker 02:59:00 have you seen that 02:59:05 while we're on the subject of hamlet 02:59:07 oh let me find it 03:00:08 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z9Ismh1elM 03:00:09 "Comics and graphic novels have utilised the play, or have dramatised the circumstances of its inception: Superman himself wrote the play for Shakespeare in the course of one night, in the 1947 Shakespeare's Ghost Writer." 03:00:23 ^^^ please watch 03:01:20 wow 03:01:42 i'm so glad monqy elected that guy to govern 03:02:13 beautiful 03:02:32 elliott: have you seen hercules in new york yet, or on that note gamebox 1.0 03:02:46 monqy: no :( 03:02:53 you should!! 03:02:56 monqy: can you come to england and bring these important cultural artefacts 03:03:04 in return you can watch channel 5 03:03:11 a good deal 03:03:55 elliott: omg that video 03:04:04 also wilhelm scream @ 0:56 03:04:12 i assume self consciously given what movie this is 03:04:23 see? deep satire. 03:04:28 Hercules in New York is a 1969 low-budget fantasy adventure film. It is notable for being the first feature film to star Arnold Schwarzenegger, who was about 22 years old when the film was produced. However, it is one of the films that Schwarzenegger admits regretting having appeared in. 03:04:33 well it's a joke inside another film (which i haven't seen) 03:04:45 "Charlie Colburn (Nate Richert) is a video game tester with a troubled past." 03:04:58 Bike: have you never seen them either??? gosh 03:05:13 theyre very good films 03:05:29 no, i saw existenz instead 03:05:51 omg that movie 03:05:59 kmc: I had 99¢ pizza! 03:06:05 As in Videodrome, Cronenberg gives his psychological statement about how humans react and interact with the technologies that surround them. In this case, the world of video games. 03:06:11 Also I mexande and other people. 03:06:13 shachaf: trip report plz 03:06:14 yeah it's great 03:06:25 it involves hiding firearms in a dog 03:06:28 * shachaf needs to go -- will report later. 03:06:54 guys i haven't seen barely any bad films at all 03:06:59 i feel like i'm really missing out 03:07:01 dang i should watch existenz 03:07:12 i love cronenberg no joke 03:07:26 i'm not sure if it's actually a good movie, but it's a nice mindfuck 03:07:32 especially if you are very stoned while watching it 03:07:53 though i like lynch more 03:08:00 especially since he's in that show about some comedian for some reason 03:08:38 Louie? 03:08:39 which show about some comedian 03:08:45 yeah, louie ck 03:08:57 yeah that was a kinda odd inside joke 03:08:57 lemme find it 03:09:08 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qob3FTPJ7cM 03:09:08 "we need a weird dude for this scene" "what if it's david lynch" 03:09:24 Louie is a good show 03:10:45 the arc with Lynch is a liiiiitle self-indulgant, but it has its moments 03:10:56 it's a lot more continuity than the show usually goes for 03:11:03 i should really watch some lynch stuff 03:11:05 i am terrible 03:11:14 elliott: i haven't seen it either 03:11:39 eraserhead is some fucked up shit, just so you know 03:11:47 recommend it to people you dislike, such as myself 03:11:57 i like fucked up shit 03:12:23 the last guy i convinced to watch it apparently sees me in nightmares now 03:12:42 i'm not down with his culty transcendental meditation stuff though, that's what we in the biz refer to as `wack' (technical term) 03:13:06 yeah i go for the "assume famous people are fucking crazy and don't pay attention to them" strategy generally speaking 03:13:51 eraserhead was hard for me to watch but overall i enjoyed it 03:14:08 also twin peaks is really good, def. my favorite anime 03:14:13 i have hangups about beck's scientology too. i don't care about travolta and i'm not sure why, i think he is just too wack to care about 03:14:18 i;ve never seen twin peaks :( :( i should 03:14:23 Bike: btw bikes are common everyday objects 03:14:28 its not surprising that they'd occur in dreams of all sorts 03:14:44 yeah that's the weird thing, he'd never dreamt about bikes before! but now he does 03:14:52 i think all i've seen of eraserhead is In Heaven 03:15:05 In Heaven is good 03:15:26 also i've seen the "fuck that shit, pabst blue ribbon" scene in blue velvet 03:15:30 and that's all the lynch i've seen i think 03:16:05 oh i've heard the twin peaks theme too. good theme. 03:16:14 but i didn't hear it with my eyes so it doesn't count 03:17:24 I think his short "Rabbits" is still on youtube 03:17:34 alt. his commercials. you've all seen his PS2 and cigarette commercials i hope. 03:18:54 oh i've seen some of that rabbits thing i think 03:19:14 on relisten in heaven sounds weirdly like the talking heads song to me 03:19:24 once in a lifetime 03:19:37 not that talking heads song 03:19:57 have you seen the music video for it? it works 03:20:01 i have 03:20:10 also it's the only one i can remember the name of reliably, so there, 03:20:26 i was thinking of this talking heads song [imagine there's a link here and my browser isn't frozen] 03:20:34 are you imagining 03:20:46 yes, but it's a link to Once in a Lifetime 03:20:51 no bike 03:20:54 no!!! 03:20:59 i think the only talking heads song ive heard is the one in that one lasagna cat video 03:21:01 that's not the link that's there 03:21:02 is it that one 03:21:16 monqy: which one is that again. i remember a talking heads song in lasanga cat but i cant remember which it was 03:21:26 oh hey my browser unfroze 03:21:30 eyes without a face i think??? i think that's what it's called?? 03:21:42 false alarm it's "waking up" 03:21:44 oh wait 03:21:47 thats billy idol 03:21:52 i got my artists confused 03:21:53 same thing really 03:22:13 im no good with this 03:22:37 ok let's try that again 03:22:51 i was thinking of this talking heads song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKW7JkHKm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNdMc6wGtU 03:22:59 you get two links for the price of one because of the delay 03:23:02 that's two songs 03:23:05 no it's the same song 03:23:06 twice 03:23:12 going to go out on a limb and suggest that the linking factor here is the word "heaven" 03:23:41 yeah this...doesn't really sound like in heaven at all 03:24:44 yes i don't know what i was thinking in retrospect 03:24:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IugOfDBWcGc lynch has done music somehow. it also doesn't sound like in heaven 03:24:52 is that from dark night of the soul 03:24:58 or the other thing he did 03:26:36 i think it's just a single 03:26:48 there's also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caWXt9lCVrc which i'm reasonably sure is satan 03:27:08 Crazy Clown Time 03:27:20 oh, uh, it has tits in it. 03:27:23 http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhfztj1cTy1qcziuco1_500.gif 03:27:43 monqy: while talking heads is in my scrollback i should tell you to watch david byrne interviewing himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-mxVxFXLg 03:28:41 everyone else should too 03:29:00 i just like to imagine david lynch giving the directions for this video 03:29:22 that clown video is uncomfortable to watch 03:29:30 elliott: that's great 03:30:13 wow, his... proportions 03:32:29 Bike: (that suit doesnt fit him) 03:32:35 hth 03:32:51 yes he explained 03:32:56 thank you mr bryne. 03:33:03 this interview is good 03:33:05 it's like 60 minutes on acid 03:34:06 that interview was good 03:38:07 apparently the 60 minutes on acid thing actually happened. i should lsiten to more heads 03:38:36 Bike: let david lynch sing you to sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbtUAlFN8po 03:40:30 aren't you the one who needs to sleep, generaly speakkkking 03:41:10 well i don't hate myself so i wouldn't generally select david lynch for lullaby material 03:41:14 whereas i do hate you 03:41:21 do you see how the cogs turn Bike 03:41:47 :( :( :( 03:41:55 it's ok it's a nice kind of hate 03:42:40 what is a nice kind of hate 03:43:08 that's for me to know & you to find out 03:43:43 ._. 03:43:47 is it a sex thing 03:44:35 sources unconfirmed but suggest no 03:44:44 ._____. 03:45:16 there's no certainty in life, Bike 03:45:49 is there certainty in sex 03:46:17 what do they say to kids these days 03:47:27 what don't they say to kids these days. the answer is nothing 03:47:31 no limits. 03:47:40 that'd explain 03:47:40 uh 03:47:46 i'm sure it'd explain someone 03:56:47 -!- madbr has joined. 03:56:49 woot 03:58:10 my stupid VM based on a switch case can run about 250 million ops per second (in the brain dead case of loop: sub r0, r0, #1 jnz loop: ) 03:58:42 on a 2.8ghz core2, that's about 10 real cycles for a virtual cycle 03:58:54 sorry madbr we're all dead 03:58:56 especially Bike 04:02:39 and mkc 04:02:41 and also kmc 04:04:09 i want to say there was a rap song titled "ghost of a bicycle" 04:05:59 Bike: how did you become a bicycle 04:06:00 what's the story 04:07:23 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPn6nNOnWIM 04:13:17 huh clouddead are weirder than i was lead to believe. i should listen to them 04:13:25 yes 04:13:54 rifle eyes is good, it has urinals 04:15:00 * Sgeo suddenly wonders if elliott might consider him evil. Working for an ISP that takes some (not that strong) actions against piracy 04:15:10 (In the future, I mean, if I get the job) 04:15:15 you work for... oh 04:22:43 I hate everyone except the top commenter here http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1a7zuy/paul_ryan_admits_that_his_entire_budget_is_based/ 04:25:38 i've spent years working up the willpower to not click links when people say things like that 04:25:57 if its from reddit it's probably bad news 04:26:11 also if sgeo gives an opinion on it when he links it 04:32:24 also it's about paul ryan. 04:32:28 What if I give a positive opinion? (In general I mean, not this specific case) 04:32:47 No positive opinions on the internet. 04:32:51 @wn admit 04:32:53 *** "admit" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 04:32:53 admit 04:32:53 v 1: declare to be true or admit the existence or reality or 04:32:53 truth of; "He admitted his errors"; "She acknowledged that 04:32:53 she might have forgotten" [syn: {admit}, {acknowledge}] 04:32:55 [25 @more lines] 04:33:14 Maybe a bot should post the definition of admit whenever someone uses that word 04:33:23 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 04:33:35 what? 04:33:44 oh, the link 04:34:06 maybe the bot should stop being so pedantic! 04:34:17 maybe the bot should learn what "microsaccade" means 04:35:47 oh also: paul ryan is never going to be relevant again, right? 04:36:24 looks like hes relevant because were talking about hi min #esoteric thgeo 04:36:39 paul ryan sounds like a name i've heard but i try to avoid that sort of conversation. the type that mentions names like that. 04:37:16 :( 04:45:15 (: 04:45:28 whoa 04:45:36 =D D= 04:46:28 looks like a neverhood character 04:46:28 =3(@)E= 04:46:46 rather less like a neverhood character 04:48:04 my first thought was fish but on second thought that was a dumb thought 04:48:18 maybe a belt buckle? 04:48:34 or a sash...buckle.... 04:49:55 hi Bike 04:49:57 neverhood++ 04:50:23 hichaf 04:50:45 heegan 04:51:04 how goes 04:52:05 -!- Jafet has joined. 04:52:58 The 99¢ pizza tasted like pizza. 04:53:10 What, really? How? 05:09:12 There is at least one person on Reddit who argues that if you drive drunk and don't hit someone, it's a victimless crime. 05:09:21 http://np.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/1a18ae/dwi_lawswhy_i_became_a_libertarian/c8t9837 05:10:05 Why are you reading r/Libertarian? 05:11:22 It was linked to from a comment in an anti-libertarian subreddit. Which I was only reading because it was linked to from /r/PoliticalHumor 05:11:50 How deep does the rabbit hole go? 05:12:08 well somehow sgeo managed to find /r/PoliticalHumor 05:12:43 I don't remember how I found it, I subbed a while ago 05:13:14 look 05:13:20 there are all kinds of awful people on reddit 05:13:27 you should not be surprised nor do you need to tell us about them 05:13:32 you don't understand kmc. we have to know about each and every one of them 05:13:37 its sgeos curse, sgeos fate, sgeos undoing, sgeos promise to the world 05:13:58 somehow sgeo subbed to r/politicalhumor 05:14:01 somehow sgeo found reddit 05:14:09 So, this is boring, do any of you read the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy? 05:14:16 i have read some articles from it 05:14:26 is that the one with the webpages 05:14:30 it's kind of like wikipedia but with less pictures 05:14:33 you know the one 05:14:45 Yes. 05:14:49 i think it had an article on it that i glanced over? i forget what it was about 05:14:54 philosophy 05:15:17 It has lots of in-depth articles that are better than the ones Wikipedia doesn't have, such as on Church's type theory or the history of transfeminism. 05:15:17 also the pages are quite yellow 05:15:25 Also the pages are quite yellow. 05:15:37 monqy: constructivism ? 05:15:38 yes this is the one 05:16:04 shachaf: no idea 05:16:10 oh, i should read the constructivism articles 05:16:19 so i could see what the fuck is going through zeilberger's head, maybe 05:16:40 ultrafinitism isnt really the same thing as mainstream constructivism........ 05:16:54 That's why i said "articles", see 05:17:01 imo only numbers smaller than 3 exist 05:17:28 constructivism is just good old wanting Evidence™ for propositions 05:17:37 i dont understand ultrafinitism................philosophy is silly 05:17:38 so excluded middle is rejected because it doesn't provide evidence for either P or not P 05:17:55 and then that of course gets you computable meaning as your evidence (hence curry-howard) 05:17:57 oh ultrafinitism doesn't have an article :( 05:18:01 i understand constructivism thankfully 05:18:06 where lem roughly corresponds to being able to predict the future 05:18:17 (you can do it with call/cc but it lies) 05:18:21 yeah constructivism is "so easy", it's all kolmogorov-brouwer------- 05:18:32 constructivism is a monoids?? 05:18:32 probably more names 05:18:38 yes, heyting 05:18:42 who the fuck is heyting? i don't know. 05:18:44 i like how elliott predicted i would say that.. 05:18:55 it was pretty obvious 05:18:57 oh, a student of brouwer 05:19:06 tho you can think of ultrafinitism quite simply as rejecting the notion that the standard inductive definition of the naturals gives evidence that all of them exist 05:19:14 «The inclusion of Brouwer's name in the Brouwer–Heyting–Kolmogorov interpretation is largely honorific, as Brouwer was opposed in principle to the formalisation of certain intuitionistic principles (and went as far as calling Heyting's work a "sterile exercise")» amazing 05:19:25 (but accepting that e.g. 4 exists because it's pretty easy to give evidence that a number that small exists) 05:19:34 How do you give evidence that a number exists 05:19:45 by counting 05:19:49 like this: SSSS0 05:19:50 SSSS0 05:19:53 fuck you 05:19:55 "2 l8" 05:19:59 no i was first 05:20:03 yes 05:20:06 i was "2 l8" 05:20:09 agreed 05:20:12 How do you give evidence that 0 exists, or that S(a number) is a number. 05:20:22 oh shush 05:20:22 axioms 05:20:29 No, seriously, I want to know. 05:20:45 Like why not just say no numbers exist. 05:20:47 it doesnt really make sense to ask like 0 exists.... you define it as being a thing 05:21:01 its just a question of how much power you allow your definitions to have 05:21:13 oh so it's just a matter of my axioms are better than yours 05:21:31 or rather, yours are better than mine, because you are elliott 05:21:41 𒌫 05:21:43 lem? 05:21:46 this is silly 05:21:47 𐂄 05:22:14 btw this article on church's type theory has explicit substitution. therefore it sucks 05:22:23 it's not like "my axioms are better than yours" is inherently bad, i just want to know that that's what it is 05:22:36 monqy: do you agree that variables as strings / explicit alpha-conversion / and so on are sinful 05:22:41 yes 05:22:42 "You know what's a complete waste of time, money, and effort? Eating. I mean, wouldn't you rather just ingest a tasteless form of sustenance for the rest of your life and never have to go through that tedious rigmarole of opening and eating a premade sandwich or feasting on a pile of fried delicacies ever again? " 05:22:44 Bike: well it can also be about interpretations of axioms 05:22:50 and whether you consider certain axiom sets to define coherent notions 05:22:52 BHK right 05:23:07 I gather that the intended answer to that rhetorical question is supposed to be 'no', but... 05:23:09 sgeo: that's usually an argument for the usefulness of art no? 05:23:22 sgeo 05:23:22 dont 05:23:23 please 05:23:24 dont 05:23:39 One time I said I'd rather just eat monkey corpses since they'd be most nutritious 05:23:45 turns out I was wrong about monkey corpses though. 05:23:59 live monkeys are more nutritious 05:24:00 Cuneiform signs seem to be quite complicated. 𒋪 05:24:25 madbr, do you not know about my food issues? 05:24:36 I would happily answer the posed question with "Yes, please" 05:24:37 ah, no, didn't knew 05:24:54 Or, well, I guess I do like tasting things sometimes, but it's a bit of a chore 05:25:15 you have food issues? beyond being a bachelor i assume 05:25:18 I'm a bit the other way around :3 05:25:34 maybe sgeo is a bagelor 05:25:42 that's like a bachelor, except with bagels 05:26:34 One of the things SEP's article mentioning ultrafinitism ("ultra-finitism") cites about it is "Understanding the Infinite". that is the title 05:26:58 Bike, I don't really like eating 05:27:04 I tend to have to force myself to eat. 05:27:15 oh i know people like that 05:27:17 they're weird 05:27:25 jupiter and beyond the infinite 05:27:52 ultrafinitists don't believe in anything beyond jupiter kmc 05:27:57 haha 05:28:16 i don't even believe in england 05:28:56 sgeo have you considered liquid food 05:29:06 It's too bad there aren't enough ultrafinitists for there to be pissing matches about who believes in less numbers. Though I guess restricting numbers that exist to computable vs defineable vs whatever is like that. 05:29:16 then you can use a straw and it's less obtrusive. you can even use your hands while you suck it up 05:29:22 I used to rely on Ensure when I was a kid 05:29:31 I mean, I think I did eat solid food 05:29:35 But lunch was Ensure 05:29:36 http://www.theonion.com/video/new-wearable-feedbags-let-americans-eat-more-move,14238/ 05:29:46 numbers exist up to 2^32-1 05:30:17 imo 2^64-1 05:30:25 you know i read part of a bajillion page thesis once that argued in part that what computers deal with aren't semantically numbers because wraparound is some dumb bullshit 05:31:07 integers mod 2^32 are an ok algebraic structure aren't they 05:31:09 uhhhh numbers mod n are still numbers?? 05:31:10 ridiculous and also there are bignums 05:31:26 which can totally be implemented in practice 05:31:28 kmc: except for 2^32 not being prime, i guess. 05:31:35 it's... almost prime 05:31:46 it is like the opposite of prime it's made of twos 05:31:47 Maybe you have to pick a Mersenne prime for numbers mod 2^n to be good 05:31:47 it has only one prime factor 05:31:55 anyway i think i caricaturized the argument there 05:31:59 Hmm, that's not even 2^n. Never mind. 05:32:03 just, pretend i said something that sounded less dumb 05:32:04 bignums aren't really that big 05:32:14 Bike i expect all arguments on IRC to be presented in full nuance and detail 05:32:17 since you are limited by ram, which is guaranteed finite on pretty much every architecture 05:32:37 uh... is there an architecture where it's not 05:32:48 elliott: except you can interface with the HDD 05:32:56 the HDD being infinite 05:33:03 ram and beyond the infinite, i guess 05:33:09 and if that's not enough you can interface with the CLOUD 05:33:10 madbr: with finite addresses 05:33:10 :D 05:33:20 bignum addresses 05:33:29 also doing arithmetic on media sounds slow and painful 05:33:44 like i know they do it but. pain 05:34:08 at that point you should probably just switch to interpreting the states of your machine in a manner consistent with larger numbers 05:34:18 to save time 05:39:58 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:46:40 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 05:47:00 -!- Bike has joined. 05:57:37 Bike: we had a wonderful 20 seconds without you. 05:57:51 why must you cause me such pain 05:58:41 elliott: you missed a second 05:58:45 it was glorious 05:58:46 it's all i'm good at 05:59:01 ;_____; 05:59:15 thats so sad elliott 05:59:24 have you tried being good at other things? 06:00:07 yes but it's too hard :( 06:00:50 elliott: what year of school are you in again? 06:01:31 ??? 06:01:37 ????? 06:01:40 ??????????????????????????????? 06:01:54 don't be rude, monqy. 06:02:04 ??????????????????????????????????????? 06:05:08 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 06:05:34 -!- Vorpal has joined. 06:05:47 he's designing a new language 06:05:50 where font matters 06:06:01 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 06:07:40 who, me? 06:08:50 yes you 06:09:46 monqy is the ghost of chuck moore 06:09:50 nah i was just really confused 06:10:05 is the idea of elliott being in school confusing 06:10:06 still am but i've run out of steam you know 06:10:17 nah it's more that coppro would ask in the manner he did, or perhaps even at all 06:10:27 what if it was me asking 06:10:35 good question 06:10:44 hey elliott, what year of school you in? 06:10:51 i'd be really confused if it was me asking, since that's not a question i like to ask 06:10:52 its 2013 Bike 06:10:55 i have my reasons 06:10:56 hth 06:11:30 thx 06:12:08 i think i'll just assume that everybody in this channel is either slightly younger than me and in MENSA or slightly older than me and has three PhDs 06:12:38 that doesn't account for oerjan who is a lot older than you (this applies regardless of your age) 06:12:50 Q: is oerjan older than oerjan 06:12:59 he's just an outlier 06:12:59 And I don't think we have any actual MENSA members. 06:13:13 i don't think any of you have three PhDs either, but here we are 06:13:25 with me sitting here making assumptions about you and writing shachaf fanfiction 06:13:33 Sure, I *could*. But why would i want to? 06:14:07 get three PhDs? i don't know but it sounds like a hilariously bad decision 06:14:17 Join MENSA more-like. 06:14:25 -!- oerjan has joined. 06:14:26 oh. i have no idea. elitism? 06:14:30 i guess that's an idea. 06:14:51 But you're one of the ones slightly older than me, so you're ineligible. 06:15:05 How old are you? 06:15:25 20 and a bit 06:15:34 shachaf fanfiction? i'd read that 06:15:37 Alas. 06:15:42 hey oerjan we were just talking about how old you are 06:15:45 well actually i'd probably skim it and get bored 06:15:50 what, are you younger than me too 06:15:50 just like with most fanfiction 06:15:56 am i some kind of giant of ages here 06:16:02 Bike: I'm 22. 06:16:05 HA 06:16:08 knew it. 06:16:09 Nearly 23. 06:16:29 * oerjan shakes his cane at Bike 06:16:40 Bike: btw you're really old 06:16:43 practically dead i'd say 06:16:47 23? That's almost 25! 06:16:53 (disclaimer: i don't actually have a cane) 06:16:55 rip Bike 06:16:56 i can't even imagine being 20. back me up here monqy 06:16:57 And oerjan is older than the Sun. 06:17:07 being an adult sounds scary 06:17:08 practically rip i mean 06:17:11 i dont think it actually exists 06:17:13 So it goes. 06:17:16 monqy: it is. hth. 06:17:20 Suddenly I feel old 06:17:27 monqy: im going to be an adult in a few months :( 06:17:28 probably i'll die on my 18th birthday and only my soulless husk will cary on 06:17:29 monqy: The secret is, you never actually become an adult. 06:17:32 i don't know how to prepare 06:17:42 You just eventually realize that those kids are on *your* lawn! 06:17:43 rip bike. 06:17:45 thinking about giving up on life and becoming a hermit 06:17:51 And those punks should get off! 06:17:54 well i guess i already did that 06:18:09 elliott: I recommend against it. 06:18:13 god if this channel is full of shut in weirdos too i don't know what i'm going to do. probably nothing 06:18:22 pikhq: it worked for a few years 06:18:26 but angrily 06:18:28 * Sgeo was born in the 80s 06:18:38 Bike: is there some other channel also full of shut in weirdos. sounds literally impossible 06:18:54 EVERY CHANNEL is full of shut in weirdos 06:18:55 Bike: I'm arguably not a shut-in? 06:18:59 Arguably. 06:19:06 i'm starting to think irc isn't the best place to socialize with well-adjusted people! 06:19:31 I resemble that remark! 06:19:44 That's probably going to change at least a tiny bit once the antidepressants kick in though. 06:19:47 iirc i was well-adjusted once 06:19:51 `quote housemates 06:19:54 443) i try to be a hermit but it's hard with all these housemates. 06:19:57 but i kind of grew out of it 06:20:17 Also, I've never been well-adjusted and never will be. 06:20:22 i should probably find antidepressants that do something other than make me throw up but it's hard 06:21:03 what more could you want out of an antidepressant 06:21:08 Yay, disability. 06:21:16 well, not throwing up 06:21:21 or maybe throwing up like, candy 06:21:28 elliott: I dunno, increasing extracellular serotonin in the brain? 06:21:30 but then i'd get fat... 06:21:42 you could donate the candy to starving children 06:21:43 tough question, elliott. tough question. 06:21:44 Bike: No you wouldn't. That's calories lost! 06:22:01 fatten them up for other starving children??? 06:22:11 are you suggesting starving children eat each other monqy 06:22:13 because, I agree 06:22:24 well what do you do with the dead bodies 06:22:30 might as well nourish the others 06:22:34 * Fiora looks up. wow, I'm old 06:22:36 burn them for fuel to make antidepressants with probably 06:22:40 Soylent green is people, and also delicious. 06:22:42 Fiora: Oh? 06:22:46 Fiora: i don't know how old you are but i agree 06:23:03 fiora is in fact trans-pikhq in age 06:23:06 * kmc is also old 06:23:07 terrifying to contemplate 06:23:15 being an adult is something that sneaks up on you 06:23:27 for most people anyway 06:23:28 i think kmc is like half-way between me and fizzie or something 06:23:39 if your parents are murdered by ninjas and you have to get revenge, that's different 06:23:41 which is scary because I don't like the idea that there's a path between my age and fizzie's age 06:23:45 I'm not convinced that I'm an adult. 06:23:50 i turned 25 last month 06:24:04 kmc: that _does_ sound pretty sneaking up too, actually 06:24:09 have you got any grey hairs / wrinkles / heart diseases yet 06:24:34 But then I've spent much of the past few years barely plodding along, in some years practically being a hikikomori. 06:24:35 probably one grey hair somewhere 06:24:41 You're not gonna be adult-feeling doing that. 06:24:44 i think my heart is ok, trying to get in better shape though 06:24:44 pikhq: is that a nerd culture thing 06:24:51 i have a bald spot on my head! does that count? 06:24:58 monqy: Hikikomori? No. 06:25:02 my balls are very wrinkly but that's been the case for a long time 06:25:17 oerjan: does it have heart disease 06:25:28 elliott: not to my knowledge. 06:25:32 btw do you still look exactly like dijkstra 06:25:54 oh and i have some wrinkles under my eye. 06:25:54 hikikomori is the japanese word for "shut in", except they also pathologize it (more) 06:26:26 http://www.born-today.com/btpix/dijkstra_edsger.jpg picture of oerjan 06:26:27 *eyes, probably 06:26:56 that... is that actually dijkstra? 06:26:57 Bike: ah. so not quite but maybe tangentially related to nerds & their culture 06:27:00 he looks way too young 06:27:12 http://oerjan.nvg.org/face.gif~ actual, but old picture. 06:27:15 monqy: well there's also the implication that you spend all your time watching animes 06:27:24 Bike: ah, that's the ticket 06:27:29 nearly 20 years old now, i think 06:27:52 logically, pikhq must be really into Puellae Maegie Maudoukau Maugiukau 06:28:02 i hear he's kind of a pedant about it 06:28:05 so: yes 06:28:14 oerjan: it's impossible to describe how wrong that camera is about your appearance 06:28:18 Bike: I did enjoy the series. 06:28:23 elliott: O KAY 06:28:27 guys tell me whether my link or oerjan's link looks more like oerjan 06:28:33 you know the answer 06:28:37 i dont know what oerjan looks likle 06:28:46 monqy: here's a pic http://www.born-today.com/btpix/dijkstra_edsger.jpg 06:28:49 And I'm psychotically pedantic at times. 06:28:50 i'll just put oerjan's pic through "in 20 years" 06:28:53 Autism! 06:28:55 elliott: i'm sure i must have mentioned that i cannot have a beard as i cannot stand the itching to get it 06:29:07 well you kind of have to, sorry 06:29:08 (also because i don't have any actual desire to get one) 06:29:10 it could be a fake beard? 06:29:25 pikhq: Psychotically pedantic... does that mean somebody's like "no it's spelt madokau" and you're like "ARG STOP SPLITTING INFINITIVES" 06:29:34 I'm 23 06:29:50 No, I'm also not literally insane. 06:30:02 Though I'm pushing it. 06:30:07 though everyone almost always thinks I'm younger until I start blathering about dumb cpu things 06:30:11 well 'psychotic' means you hallucinate and shit right 06:30:16 wow Fiora is almost as old as kmc 06:30:18 and kmc is almost as old as fizzie 06:30:26 and fizzie is... a few orders of magnitude away from oerjan 06:30:35 Fiora: Ah, you're nearly a lich then. 06:30:37 fizzie is almost as old as oerjan's fourth generation spawn 06:30:42 http://www.in20years.com/shared/8/ager/1303146/aged_wb20130314013004762421.png i think we have our answer 06:31:20 soon fizzie will be old as the last syllable of the current aeonic utterance of oerjan, the ur-being, the maker & unmaker of all, the alpha, the omega, the being, the is, the isn't 06:32:03 monqy: haha wow 06:32:20 there's something about always being assumed to be younger that makes one feel even older <.< 06:32:36 That is not dead which can eternal lie, and in strange aeons even death my die? 06:32:44 nice in20years.com has a field for whether you are a drug addict or not 06:32:47 cheery novelty site! 06:32:55 Fiora: There's something damned odd about never getting carded. 06:32:57 maybe you should just act like you're 107, and then surprise people when you reveal you're actually only barey transpikhq 06:33:36 Oops.. We couldn't detect a face in the photo. Please try a different one. 06:33:38 Transpikhq... That is a very strange phrasing to me now. 06:33:38 pikhq: I'd imagine I'd get carded, and then they'd spend a minute looking it over for marks of a fake 06:33:42 but I've never bought alcohol 06:33:45 thats what i got when i tried to age up the dijkstra photo 06:33:47 Life experience confuses! 06:33:52 elliott: sometimes you can get it to detect faces on things that aren't actually faces 06:33:53 ... oh. actually. I did like, once, for a bottle of cooking wine. 06:33:54 monqy: i _do_ recognize a bit of those protruted cheeks, i'll admit. 06:33:54 was dijkstra a robot 06:34:19 Fiora: Hah. 06:34:22 or it detects a face but it detects it in the wrong place 06:34:58 pikhq: i basically have no idea how to decline your name i'm afraid 06:35:07 Bike: "no, pikhq's name" 06:35:07 * Fiora poofs back to finishing up gundam 00 06:35:11 transpikhqian 06:35:12 hop ethis helps 06:35:16 I don't know Latin either, so. 06:35:37 plus i only know "kh" from like, "khanate" probably 06:35:43 monqy: wait you probably selected "drug addict", didn't you. 06:35:47 oerjan: yes 06:35:52 how did you guess 06:35:54 "khq" is just ridiculous 06:36:01 I was 8. 06:36:10 a striking resemblance??? 06:36:10 oerjan is a drug addict irl thats why he recognised the cheeks 06:36:54 Fiora: btw everyone always assumes me to be younger too. 06:37:12 really. 06:37:17 like irl 06:37:17 "Transpikhq" is just weird to me cause I've somehow gotten to the point where "trans" -> "transgender" in my head. 06:37:19 everyone except elliott, drummer to the mad god 06:37:21 or actually on the internet 06:37:28 because irl doesn't really count imho 06:37:30 pikhq: i still associate trans/cis with chemistry 06:37:36 for anything 06:37:51 cispikhq isomer 06:38:14 'trans' is everywhere 06:38:26 sometimes i use the word 'transcend' i think it's a good word 06:38:35 Yeah, but my head has weird wiring. 06:38:40 :-) 06:38:47 trans... cend... what's the etymology there 06:38:49 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:38:49 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 06:38:49 -!- sebbu has joined. 06:39:27 it's from "scandere", to climb in the french of yore 06:39:29 weird 06:39:39 -!- Jafet has joined. 06:39:47 good etymology, thanks french 06:40:36 like in ascend? 06:40:37 just pretend i said something insensitive about french people here 06:40:41 it'll save us all effort 06:40:53 um elliott thats racist 06:41:01 you should take that thing you said right there back 06:41:07 how did you guess <-- i'm not _that_ ill looking yet. hth. 06:41:18 -!- Jafet has quit (Client Quit). 06:41:21 monqy: That's cultural imperialism right there. 06:41:27 madbr: looks to be the same, yep 06:41:30 yeah what's this thing about ppl dissing the french 06:41:39 Don't you know, insensitivity to the French is a major, fundamental part of British culture? 06:41:48 ok :-) 06:41:55 it's some dumb bush thing that people are taking seriously... wat 06:42:00 elliott is just hateful, he's spent so much time yelling ineffectually at scotsmen that he has to take a break to yell ineffectively about (not even at!) french people 06:42:08 oh this isn't an americanism 06:42:14 Bike: you forgot: sometimes i yell at Bike. 06:42:26 Ok, yes, he also hates luxembourg. 06:42:43 sometimes i yell but in a calm and subdued manner. i can't think of a metaphor so just imagine that ok 06:42:48 oerjan: have you noticed there is a slight halo surrounding you in that photo of you (the fake one on your website) 06:44:00 not saying you're jesus but i'm saying there's at least a 70% chance 06:44:31 isn't he like welsh? i thought jesus was japanese 06:45:18 elliott: OKAY 06:45:18 yes oerjan is welsh 06:45:59 norwelsh 06:46:10 nice country in the summer 06:46:16 when did you wake up oerjan 06:46:39 an hour and a half ago 06:47:10 i guess i'm in that brief period of my sleeping cycle which strange people consider "normal" 06:48:27 -!- madbr has quit (Quit: Radiateur). 06:48:41 (strange people who control the world) 06:49:12 also control: the sun 06:49:34 There is a Pope. <-- what, already? 06:50:03 Kinda short interregnum there. 06:50:06 yup 06:50:18 oerjan: they managed to find an old white catholic guy quickly enough 06:50:21 how did they do it???????????? 06:50:41 the papal conclave is too secretive for us to know 06:51:08 elliott: maybe they collected all the sufficiently old white catholig guys in one place, locked them inside and forced them to choose one among themselves. but that's of course ridiculous. 06:51:13 *catholic 06:51:15 Though they failed to find an old European Catholic guy. 06:51:29 ooh, progress! 06:51:36 Old white catatonic guy. 06:51:54 He's from Argentina. 06:52:04 well argentinia is basically european imo 06:52:06 does he know how to tango? 06:52:07 children of italians but close enough 06:52:08 *inininina 06:52:11 like look at the name 06:52:14 pretty european name for a country 06:52:17 elliott: South America. 06:52:27 Bike: i guess they need to take it one step at a time 06:52:38 pikhq: yes. basically europe 06:52:41 no big leaps like the US choosing an islamic terrorist 06:52:56 maybe they just need to find a sufficiently conservative ghanaian 06:53:04 Señorita Nina, from Argentina, knew all the answers / Although her relatives and friends were perfect dancers / She swore she'd never dance a step until she died 06:53:06 how about someone from guam 06:53:09 Fiora for pope 06:53:20 sounds good to me 06:53:23 And unsurprisingly, he's very anti-homosexuality. 06:53:34 wide reforms in the areas of architecture design and JRPG outfits 06:53:44 Of course, the first Pope in favor of it will probably get accused of being the Antichrist. 06:53:53 and yeah he's conservative as hell, what else is new 06:54:02 pikhq: The Antipope, surely? 06:54:06 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGBHfXPqbgI 06:54:15 shachaf: That's not a "the". 06:54:21 Sure it is. 06:54:22 There's been multiple antipopes in history. 06:54:40 There have been multiple popes, and yet people say "the pope" 06:54:49 there are multiple ones right now, though i think the spanish guy is the one people mention most 06:54:53 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:54:58 pikhq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_Babylon_One_World_Faith today i found out that Left Behind is right on the pulse of catholicism. 06:55:23 -!- copumpkin has joined. 06:56:22 Yeah, kinda like how when one refers to "The Queen" you mean Elizabeth II, by the grace of God Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, defender of the faith... 06:56:55 Bike: That... what 06:57:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H.H._Pope_Shenouda_III_smiling_while_giving_a_word.jpg I think other popes kind of get the short shrift, really 06:57:24 i mean look at that hat. it's a pope hat alright 06:58:22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pope_Theodoros_II_of_Alexandria.jpg ooh the present pope was a pharmacist 06:58:41 I am very confused by that Left Behind thing. 06:59:06 What's confusing? 06:59:22 Nothing about it makes any sense! 06:59:35 well, yeah, it's millenialist nuttines. 06:59:59 It's like a Chick tract with worse art. 07:00:41 As though a rapture would produce a global religion of any form... 07:01:15 Much less such a strange universalist thing. 07:01:37 (who the hell does Catholic universalism?!?) 07:01:52 people who seriously think things like "muhammad was a catholic agent" 07:02:39 Also, using "Pontifex Maximus" as though it's some sort of evil title. Lawl. 07:03:57 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 07:04:01 Pontifex does sound kind of evil if you have a twelve-year-old's knowledge of latin (hi), admittedly 07:04:20 Sigh, reading the Wikipedia page, and realizing I actually know the weird Christian theological terminology. 07:04:21 pontifex is spooky and bad juju 07:04:32 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:04:45 ("amillenial", "postmillenial", "premillenial" etc) 07:05:26 i only know the ancient stuff ("marcionist") with a smattering of weirdness like dominionism 07:06:59 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:07:15 * oerjan declares the logs too damn long today 07:26:01 So I'm reading a thread about someone who doesn't understand Applicative 07:26:15 And I'm confused how you wouldn't understand Applicative 07:28:58 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: Bye bye by e). 07:30:38 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:32:12 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 07:36:00 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 07:39:30 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 07:47:14 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 08:01:24 hm... when i become world dictator i think i will make it illegal to have a "like" button if you don't have a "dislike" one. 08:02:22 mashing Bike's dislike button as we speak 08:02:32 yay! 08:02:54 no swat button? 08:03:38 -!- dessos has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:03:53 of course there will be a swat button, which only i may press. 08:04:03 you would be a good dictator 08:04:18 but there's no use in putting it on a website, since the website won't exist afterwards anyway. 08:07:42 this resembles my predicament in some way. i think you may understand it even without the veterinary's text bubble. http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/pondus/?1363215600&d=-1 08:08:25 someone stole your squeeze toy? 08:08:50 i don't recall ever having one, but i guess it _is_ possible. 08:09:47 oerjan: do people in norway think comics like this make any sense 08:09:51 what a curious species 08:10:08 it's not impossible that the comic is swedish but translated 08:10:29 ah, no, it's the other way around 08:11:09 pondus is rather surrealistic at times. it's like a bit of bill amends' foxtrot and a bit of bud grace's ernie/piranha club 08:11:24 (that's the comparison i thought of once.) 08:11:51 and it has pretty clearly passed its prime, but still sometimes amusing. 08:12:15 (it used to be norway's most popular comic) 08:12:45 so all things decay in norway too 08:12:45 actually i guess it's got back to _more_ surrealism lately. 08:13:22 sure. 08:13:51 recently i read norwegian's are gaining weight faster than any other europeans. 08:13:55 *-' 08:14:53 elliott: anyway the comic makes sense to me as a symbol of the futility of fighting the universe's annoyingness. hth. 08:15:14 thanx 08:15:47 olsner: the main comic to go the other way is "rocky" 08:16:12 at this time dagbladet has _two_ kellerman comics. 08:16:38 kellerman is the one who does rocky? 08:16:42 yes. 08:18:29 didn't know he made anything except rocky 08:18:58 well the other one is sort of drawn twitters. 08:19:24 http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/kellermannen/ 08:19:56 as in, i vaguely recall that's how it supposedly started. 08:21:00 "Ny tegneserie for twittergenerasjonen fra skaperen av Rocky." 08:21:08 maybe that's just where i got it from. 08:24:45 "A binary brown dwarf system, WISE 1049-5319, is observed 6.5 light-years from Earth, making it the closest star system discovered since 1916." 08:24:52 (wikipedia) 08:25:10 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:25:15 nice that they can still find new stars that close... 08:25:27 or maybe embarassing. who knows. 08:25:56 * oerjan throws some pi at elliott 08:26:12 that's what people do today, right? 08:26:42 -!- kallisti has joined. 08:26:42 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 08:26:43 -!- kallisti has joined. 08:26:47 is it bad american calendar day 08:27:43 well what can we do, april only has 30 days 08:28:33 -!- Jafet has joined. 08:29:08 oerjan: 6.5 light-years, that's like a stone's throw away. 08:29:36 a fairly small stone, thrown very fast. 08:36:44 "In 1868, Sirius became the first star to have its velocity measured. Sir William Huggins examined the spectrum of this star and observed a noticeable red shift. He concluded that Sirius was receding from the Solar System at about 40 km/s.[36][37] Compared to the modern value of −7.6 km/s,[2] this both was an overestimate and had the wrong sign; the minus means it is approaching the Sun. However, it is notable for introducing the study of celestial 08:36:46 42.1 km/s to escape Sun's gravity, starting from Earth, says Wikipedia's list of escape velocities. 08:36:59 "-- study of celestial". 08:38:27 celestial radial velocities." 08:38:49 I think it worked better without that. 08:38:56 OKAY 08:38:58 The study of celestial, it sounds more important. 08:39:04 yeah. 08:40:23 i didn't notice your comment that my line had been cut off, as i was busy looking up my line in the tunes logs to see if it had been cut off, but unfortunately the tunes logs had been cut off just before my line so i had to switch back to codu. 08:41:03 (i had switched to tunes a while ago when glogbot had connection problems.) 08:41:03 you could've asked us :) 08:41:33 well the thing is i wasn't sure if it had been cut off at all, in which case asking you would be just making noise, right? hth. 08:41:55 besides i have a strange hangup about asking people in general. 08:42:57 was there something wrong with the codu logs 08:43:59 elliott: not at this moment, no. but once i switch i tend not to switch back since i just look up the address in my address line history. 08:45:06 i mean, i offer my housemate lozenges and i _completely_ fail to get through the part of my request that is "please take them before your coughing makes me kill you." 08:46:08 that seems more like a murder hangup 08:46:15 yeah that too. 08:46:49 the thing is, murdering them might end up getting me even _worse_ living accomodations, unlikely as it seems. 08:46:51 "eat these or I will kill you" could be misinterpreted 08:47:13 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 08:47:26 i hear norwegian prisons are pretty nice 08:48:02 yes, yes they are. so i'm not _entirely_ sure it would be worse. but it would certainly ruin my daily restaurant visit. 08:48:04 You could get out of the country before anyone finds the body. 08:48:33 ion: i seem to have "getting out of the country" hangup too. 08:48:49 oerjan: go to guam and become pope 08:49:05 oerjan: I think they'll generally provide food for you, so the daily restaurant visit wouldn't be useful anyway 08:50:22 olsner: true, but the visit is an important part of how i keep the last sliver of sanity. 08:51:41 (it's a small sliver.) 08:55:23 frame the relevant part of the restaurant staff so they end up in jail with you 08:56:09 they're mostly foreigners, in the current political climate they might end up deported instead. 09:00:45 * Fiora peers back in 09:06:14 Fiora: hi, we're talking about the history of applied mathematics in russia circa 1823-1827 09:07:42 -!- nooga has joined. 09:14:38 that sounds fun 09:17:19 phew. long anime marathon 09:18:19 are you still alive or did you die of an anime overdose 09:19:38 animosis 09:21:26 I survived the gundams 09:23:10 the flood of plotting, intrigue, arbitrary plot-induced powerups, and sexy gundam pilots 09:26:23 we,'re proud of you 09:26:37 if we work hard we can conquer all the animes by 2015 09:27:44 but they keep making more animes! 09:27:46 whatever will we do? 09:28:01 kill them so they stop 09:28:58 monqy that's going too far...... we just have to jail the animes for life 09:29:05 it's the only way to control the epidemic 09:29:26 are you sure we have enough jail 09:29:50 (I am actually super bad at watching anime, I get stalled so often and have soooo many good series I should see but haven't) 09:30:05 you have built up a resistance to it 09:30:09 not everyone is so fortunate! 09:34:57 :< 09:35:05 why would one want to be resistant to good things 09:36:51 sometimes we have wars that make no sense. it's a metaphor for real life 09:37:48 that sounds like a description of gundam 09:38:21 see. everything reflects everything else. 09:44:47 * Fiora yawn 09:45:20 you just don't appreciate anime theory 09:45:43 :< 09:50:24 elliott is majoring in anime theory 09:50:28 a bachelor's of anime 09:50:53 this knowledge certainly makes one a bachelor 09:53:27 with a minor in bishonen studies 10:15:47 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 10:26:19 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:57:42 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:10:50 `slist 11:10:56 slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 11:16:30 There are so many lists these days. 11:18:40 we should delete them all. 12:09:47 `run ls bin/*list 12:09:51 bin/elist \ bin/emptylist \ bin/list \ bin/makelist \ bin/mlist \ bin/olist \ bin/pbflist \ bin/slist \ bin/smlist \ bin/testlist 12:19:41 `cat bin/elist 12:19:43 echo elliott 12:19:46 ah 12:20:26 `run rm bin/elist 12:20:31 No output. 12:28:19 `run echo 'echo $@' > bin/instalist 12:28:23 No output. 12:28:36 problem solved 12:28:51 `cat bin/testlist 12:28:53 echo foo \ echo bar 12:28:59 `cat bin/makelist 12:29:02 cp bin/emptylist bin/"$1" 12:29:05 wow how is there so much shit 12:29:57 `cat bin/emptylist 12:29:59 echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit 12:30:20 elliott, well based on all the tests lying around i have one principal suspect 12:31:50 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:32:30 -!- copumpkin has joined. 12:34:42 `emptylist 12:34:45 emptylist: 12:40:28 `run rm bin/?*list 12:40:32 No output. 12:40:45 R.I.P. 12:45:30 `list 12:45:34 ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb 12:45:42 God's in his heaven, all's right with the world. 12:46:17 there's still ^list though 12:46:45 unfortunately fungot lacks the introspection capabilities that drive the advanced `list technology. 12:46:45 elliott: defined in 108? 12:46:49 fungot: yes. 12:46:50 elliott: a bit down about the usage of common scheme. don't know if we can represent multiple, otherwise non-printable fnord 12:55:23 * Sgeo wtfs at the scrollbar http://tech.pro/tutorial/1152/demystifying-linq 12:56:55 I don’t see anything wrong with the scrollbar. 12:57:55 sometimes sites pull stuff like that 12:59:32 There was something mystic about linq? 13:00:31 think of a thing. i'm sure there's "something" "mystic" "about" "it" 13:00:49 The way it can pull apart lambdas is weird. Which the article doesn't touch on 13:02:17 Yeah. I noticed that. 13:02:26 I also doesn't mention IQueryable even thought it mentions databases at the start. 13:02:28 Fail 13:03:05 ...do you know how it analyzes lambdas though? 13:03:28 oklopol, r u ther 13:03:55 No, but someone in the Reddit thread linked to a series of posts about it 13:03:58 http://blogs.msdn.com/b/mattwar/archive/2008/11/18/linq-links.aspx 13:04:38 Well the trick is that a lambda expression can either be compiled as a method or an expression tree 13:04:40 Depending on context. 13:05:01 It's just a compiler trick. There are no "lambdas" at runtime 13:14:47 -!- monqy has quit (Quit: hello). 14:06:50 -!- boily has joined. 14:29:18 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 14:45:35 -!- boily has joined. 15:15:06 -!- HackEgo has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:15:28 -!- HackEgo has joined. 15:33:52 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 15:36:50 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 15:40:51 -!- nooodl has joined. 15:58:19 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 15:59:55 -!- Bike has joined. 16:00:02 -!- carado has joined. 16:02:16 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:02:38 My maths class had a Pi day celebration today 16:03:30 It was fun 16:06:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 16:07:47 -!- nooodl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:08:30 Also, I need to find an alternative to Google Reader 16:12:15 just hang in there until the new specialiser-based list architecture is complete 16:17:08 But how will I keep track of these 16 webcomics 16:18:45 Taneb: Make 16 lists, have Sgeo keep track for you. 16:20:44 (wasn't Sgeo keeping track through reader though) 16:20:59 (for Homestuck he has a bot in another channel) 16:21:08 And an app on my phone 16:21:13 (I think it's generally faster than reader) 16:21:47 For OOTS I do have reader, but more often then not I notice for other reasons, like my Facebook page has the update 16:22:22 I've noticed new OOTS often because someone liked my post about new OOTS 16:23:29 sgeo have you considered working at a webcomics update company 16:23:44 put it on your cv 16:24:00 Telling You Things Are Happening LLC 16:24:23 "team player, will notify fellow coworkers of webcomic updates" 16:24:57 `popelist 16:24:59 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: popelist: not found 16:25:04 -!- nooodl has joined. 16:25:53 -!- metasepia has joined. 16:28:43 Sgeo 16:28:44 why 16:28:45 did 16:28:46 you 16:28:47 retweet 16:28:48 piers 16:28:49 morgan 16:29:47 I may have liked that particular tweet, even if I don't like his approach to arguing? Let me look for the tweet in question 16:29:54 he has a twitter? 16:30:01 sgeo i mean, of course morgan does 16:30:10 https://twitter.com/sgeocomet 16:31:24 "No offense, but it is annoying how the Trickster text isn't copy/pasteable and isn't searchable." important issues 16:31:37 Is Sgeo's name actually Sgeo 16:31:42 Or is it... 16:31:45 Sam Geometry 16:31:57 Or something 16:32:10 S. George Johanssen 16:32:23 "Sam Geometry" does bear some similarity to my name 16:32:36 yeah i mean it starts with the same letters and all 16:32:40 Sébastien Gabriel Ernest Olivier? 16:33:08 shouldn't your nick be Sgeotlhd 16:33:54 I think I used Tlhds as my currency name when I played NationStates when I was young 16:34:11 -!- Bike_ has joined. 16:35:31 Wired. Wierd. Weird, I mean. I open up Chromium's "Extensions" page, and drag-and-drop a UserScript .js into it; before I drop, it pops up the usual "drop to install" infobox, but when I actually drop, it just navigates to that file as it would if I drag-and-dropped any file into any regular tab. 16:35:52 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 16:35:57 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 16:35:57 HOW WEIRD 16:37:05 It did not do that at wurk. 16:37:14 Though that was real Chrome, not the diet-Chromium. 16:38:50 -!- oerjan has joined. 16:45:34 oklopol 16:45:41 Phantom_Hoover: only now. 16:54:30 Alright, I now have Thunderbird set up 17:23:28 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:23:41 -!- carado has joined. 17:25:14 News in Hexham: "Extra day scrapped" 17:25:30 "Miner's race goes downhill this year!" 17:25:31 -!- sebbu has joined. 17:26:12 down _through_ the hill, one would assume. 17:26:48 One would assume that, yes 17:26:56 any person to hit lava automatically wins. 17:27:07 posthumously. 17:38:33 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:42:39 I wonder how quickly I could put together a Scandinavia and the World's Finland cosplay 17:43:05 Buy a knife and a vodka bottle 17:43:07 done 17:43:28 I'll also need a hat 17:43:46 the hat is important, as is the facial hair. 17:45:38 I already have the facial hair 17:45:49 The hat isn't too hard to get hold of 17:48:51 what was the word that Finland said again? 17:49:02 Perkele 17:49:07 SATW is wonderful 17:49:33 Taneb: thanks! 17:53:39 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:00:44 SATW updates rather rarely. 18:03:16 It's like the third least updatey webcomic I read 18:03:42 ELER updates quite rarely too. 18:03:53 I think dresden codak might update even slower? 18:04:28 The second and first are Awkward Fumbles and Goost 26 18:04:45 Goost 26 is a sci-fi comic written by some guy my dad used to know 18:05:40 one of the webcomics i has like two years between updates, it's great, it always goes dead between 18:05:41 There are like 9 new Dresden Codak storyline strips since I last looked. 18:06:09 But yeah, I'm going to an anime con soon where I know there will be a lot of Axis Powers: Hetalia fans 18:06:28 * Bike goes to look. last update: august 2010 18:06:43 just don't mention you like a ship that they don't! 18:07:18 hungary/abkhazia 4 lyfe 18:07:33 So I'm gonna cosplay SATW and confuse everyone 18:07:45 and now I'm thinking about all of the countries in gundam 00 for some reason 18:07:52 and their future-history of the middle east and ethnic conflicts 18:08:42 did it predict syria 18:09:38 it's much farther future, like, one thing that happens is the kurds finally secede and create their own country, which naturally gets involved in another mess of an ethnic conflict resulting in its absorption into a neighboring country again 18:09:48 (and the protagonist is kurdish) 18:10:09 kurdish independence? it really is science fiction 18:10:17 it also does the whole "gosh what happens when the middle east runs out of oil" thing 18:10:43 much of the show's plot sort of revolves around the massive economic problems caused by a switch to global solar energy, and the obsoleting of oil 18:11:21 neat 18:11:46 Wouldn't the middle east still be pretty good for solar energy? 18:14:06 the basic premise is that there was a huge project to build an orbital solar collector (as a ring) connected to the earth by 3 big space elevators 18:15:21 Taneb: http://www.theonion.com/2056-06-22/news/6/ 18:15:53 this would surely solve conflicts over energy and resources, right? well except of course the power blocs that own the 3 big space elevators have a lot of coercive power since they can say "do X or you don't get power" 18:15:58 Bike, heh 18:17:03 and then there's a lot of political conflict in countries that aren't part of the major blocks, with fundamentalists and nationalists who don't want to accede to the demands of the major power blocks, and resent their imperialism 18:20:23 Bike: actually, like, seriousthought. I can't think of any other tv show, like, ever, with a seriously portrayed/not-stereotypical middle-eastern protagonist o_O 18:20:51 i can think of another anime, though he's half-japanese because it's anime. 18:21:40 maybe Community? I haven't seen it. Also he's probably American. 18:21:56 Community is an anime now? 18:22:03 I said shooowwwww 18:22:08 i would watch that 18:22:13 actually they already did a short anime segment 18:22:47 but yeah like I am fangirling over this show now that I've finished it and it was kinda wonderful and stuff 18:23:09 do TV adaptations of the Bible maybe count 18:23:30 if they're not whitewashed, anyhow 18:23:32 I wonder how many of those don't have white people playing moses 18:23:43 but yeah, I don't think that counts for a modern portrayal <.< 18:24:09 other than that all that comes to mind is media by them 18:24:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Mosque_on_the_Prairie 18:24:20 like uh... what was that popular cartoon that woman did. something opolis 18:25:04 "While the show does derive some of its humour from exploring the interactions of the Muslims with the non-Muslim townspeople of Mercy... at its core the show is essentially a traditional sitcom whose most unique trait is the simple fact of being set among an underrepresented and misunderstood cultural community" 18:25:19 yeah, i've heard good things about it 18:25:25 i haven't seen it 18:25:27 it's on Hulu 18:25:38 oh! persepolis, that was it 18:26:18 ooh, that looks rather cool 18:26:50 there's a saudi arabian guy on SA who did some comics about his life, they're weird to read (because, well, it's not that different) 18:27:43 apparently members of the family are usually entitled jerks 18:33:03 http://al-saqr.deviantart.com/art/Cartoon-Racism-265518461 ah there we go. this is great 18:36:10 the onion has good over the top right wing political cartoons 18:36:18 and yes they always include the statue of liberty crying in a corner 18:36:52 You've Got Fail 18:37:36 o no 18:37:55 have you seen Kelly's youtube videos 18:38:06 no 18:38:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVtbkQMwJS4 you should 18:39:35 -!- FreeFull has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:40:20 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:46:52 Hmm 18:46:52 Where can I get or make a t-shirt bearing the flag of Finland 18:47:14 @google finland flag t-shirt 18:47:16 http://www.zazzle.com/finland_flag_t_shirt-235009520674383859 18:47:17 Title: Finland Flag T-shirt from Zazzle.com 18:47:20 how's that 18:47:42 Wouldn't the flag of Hexham be more appropriate for you? 18:49:09 -!- ais523 has joined. 18:50:20 Alas, Hexham does not have a flag 18:50:29 Also, that's not quite what I want 18:50:40 brb 18:50:49 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:52:43 -!- Taneb has joined. 18:54:47 http://robrhinehart.com/ 18:54:55 Carbohydrates (200g): Any molecule consisting only of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. Flour, corn, bread, rice, pasta, your cells don't care. 18:55:12 wow, i never realised phenol was a great way to get some carbs 18:56:06 "Raw Potassium is extremely reactive, so I use potassium gluconate, C6H11KO7." 18:56:11 wow this guy knows his stuff 18:56:26 huh apparently that's actually how "carbohydrate" is defined 18:56:55 not nutritionally, obviously 18:57:01 I thought it also required a 2:1 ratio of hydrogen to oxygen 18:57:01 ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 18:57:05 @messages 18:57:05 elliott said 1d 2h 11m 42s ago: any idea about http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=DNA-Sharp&curid=2720&diff=35666&oldid=31940? site owner, maybe? 18:57:17 apparently not 18:57:19 all edible carbohydrates I know of have that ratio 18:57:32 "Some exceptions exist; for example, deoxyribose, a component of DNA, has the empirical formula C_5H_10O_4" 18:57:53 that's where the "deoxy" in the name comes from 18:57:57 it has one less oxygen than it should 18:58:11 what a loser of a carb 18:59:08 bakelite counts too i guess 18:59:17 (wow, there aren't many common polymers with oxygen in them) 18:59:43 -!- ogrom has joined. 19:00:00 also: i like the idea of monopotassium being something you'd ever even consider eating 19:00:10 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 19:00:12 " For others such as K, P, Ca, Mg, check your local lab supply store or university." 19:00:14 nylon has some oxygens here and there. 19:00:21 oh jesus christ this guy is an idiot 19:00:32 I am not an idiot! 19:00:43 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:00:47 check your local lab supply store for your necessary calcium 19:00:57 i mean man, even if this wasn't cracked, think of the logistical issues. 19:03:50 what like 19:04:51 what? 19:05:35 logistical issues 19:05:53 i mean beyond not understanding the term 'fit for human consumption' 19:06:05 i mean, consider if this guy got a following 19:06:27 i don't think lab supply places have sufficient output of calcium to support more than a few people (if they could support people) 19:07:26 ah 19:07:40 -!- azaq23 has joined. 19:07:54 though i don't know his ideology, why would you ever come up with this shit 19:08:03 if you were Sgeo? 19:08:10 i mean i guess there are people who just don't enjoy food 19:08:14 Phantom_Hoover: you will survive on cellulose 19:08:22 what wonderful carbohydrates that are full of nutrition 19:08:52 eating grass would be more survivable than phenol, that's for sure 19:08:53 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:09:00 phenol? 19:09:31 C6H5OH 19:09:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phenol_2_grams.jpg mm-mm, good 19:09:40 lignin 19:09:46 delicious, nutricious lignin 19:10:04 Sgeo, it's benzene with an OH group stuck on 19:10:13 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lignin_structure.svg Wow, what a compound. 19:10:16 it's probably carcinogenic, i haven't checked 19:10:30 it's an acid, it burns through your skin 19:10:47 I'm not sure you'd survive to test the cancerousness of it 19:11:05 it apparently isn't actually carcinogenic 19:11:11 hm this means i am presently surrounded by towers of lignin. awesome 19:11:35 however: "Repeated or prolonged skin contact with phenol may cause dermatitis, or even second and third-degree burns.[35] Inhalation of phenol vapor may cause lung edema.[34] The substance may cause harmful effects on the central nervous system and heart, resulting in dysrhythmia, seizures, and coma.[36]" 19:11:38 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:11:38 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 19:11:38 -!- sebbu has joined. 19:11:56 Wait, so the guy making the drink thing that replaces food doesn't know what he's talking about? 19:11:57 * Sgeo sads 19:12:32 it could also be that the articles are dumbing it down? 19:12:40 lignin structure looks like a maze 19:12:45 oh, from his site 19:12:59 Fiora: i think suggesting going to lab supply stores for your meals is beyond dumbing it down 19:12:59 Sgeo, well I can't see anything glaringly wrong with the actual ingredients, though I'm no expert. 19:13:19 Phantom_Hoover, oh, I thought the channel was pointing out glaringly wrong things or something 19:13:22 But putting any lab-grade chemicals in your mouth is very stupid indee. 19:13:24 *indeed 19:14:10 Bike: oh wow 19:14:13 that's kind of crazy 19:14:32 Phantom_Hoover, hmm, why? 19:14:35 I think you can get a lot of powdered food-grade vitamins and minerals and stuff online easily enough? 19:14:49 Are the materials likely to be impure? 19:14:49 I heard it's a lot cheaper than actually buying capsules if you really really feel like measuring it all out 19:14:53 Sgeo: your body is not used to handling pure potassium. 19:14:59 Sgeo, because lab-grade chemicals are filtered to remove stuff that will fuck up the reactions. 19:15:15 yeah, the form of the mineral is super important 19:15:19 This is not the same as filtering them to remove stuff that will kill or harm you. 19:15:24 Fiora, oh no he got that bit right. 19:15:33 oh, so he's not asking you to get raw potassium 19:15:41 He seemed chuffed that he'd avoided such an obvious beginner's mistake. 19:15:46 fiora: "Carbohydrates (200g): Any molecule consisting only of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. Flour, corn, bread, rice, pasta, your cells don't care." this could be dumbing it down but if so it is very dangerous dumbing 19:15:56 yeah :/ 19:16:11 and even among edible carbodydrates, that is just, agh, so wrong 19:16:17 fructose and glucose use completely different metabolic pathways 19:16:50 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:17:20 Hmm, what could kill you that wouldn't fuck up lab reactions? 19:17:28 potassium 19:17:37 it would literally explode in your mouth 19:17:44 Well, besides the actual substance in question 19:17:45 maybe isomers of something that you'renot supposed to eat isomers of? 19:17:52 Sgeo, really pure lab ethanol contains significant quantities of benzene, iirc. 19:18:18 or like, a chemical that is 99% of The Molecule You Want and 1% of a Similar Thing With Slightly Changed Structure That Causes Cancer 19:18:31 i mean you know chem labs usually have "do not eat or drink anything in this room" rules for a reason 19:18:45 Because it removes water more effectively than distillation. 19:18:49 I'm guessing in some cases the chemical synthesis pathways might be different, like there's an easy way to make some chemical X, but produces small amounts of dangerous thing Y, so food synthesis has to use a different, more expensive pathway? 19:19:24 but I'm totally guessing 19:19:30 I don't actually know anything about organic chemistry 19:20:07 I think like with the ethanol example you can also have something which doesn't matter for food but will mess with experiments. 19:20:27 oh right, there was a great example! trans fats 19:20:28 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:20:44 they're just a mirrored isomer of something fine, butthey turned out to be toxic 19:21:57 trans fats??? 19:22:14 they are called "trans" because they're mirrored, cool 19:22:23 * Sgeo still likes the core idea of not having to eat food 19:22:24 that seems really obvious in retrospect 19:22:33 that's not actually why 19:23:04 's what wikipedia says 19:23:05 trans refers to the way the carbons are arranged around a double bond 19:23:26 mreeeeeeh cistrans, mirrored, same diff 19:23:58 compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trans-2-butene.svg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cis-2-butene.svg 19:24:01 freakin' transphobia 19:24:23 thalidomides have a toxic enantiomer, though 19:25:17 thalidomides have a non-toxic isomer? 19:25:43 yeah, the one that cures morning sickness 19:25:50 the other one causes birth defects 19:25:51 Sgeo: the fundamental problem here is probably that your body is "designed" to deal with regular food, and any protein pellet like thing is basically going to have to hack around that 19:26:36 http://www.reddit.com/r/qntm 19:26:57 pie! 19:27:59 Funny, I only noticed on the qntm subreddits, but it's a Reddit thing 19:29:35 ~duck qntm 19:29:36 Software description: repo for gollum based wiki - qntm (JavaScript). 19:29:48 Bike, i think this is that thing that kmc complains about where people think that just by being clever enough you can solve any problem you feel like 19:30:09 Phantom_Hoover: it seems to come up a lot in relation to the medical sciences. 19:30:33 I'd say that you can solve any problem you like but sometimes the solution is worse than the problem 19:30:37 thankfully sgeo isn't peddling alkaline water or something 19:31:19 you should buy this water oxygenation machine! 19:31:26 with my CS degree I am automatically an expert in law, medicine, and politics 19:31:26 proven to increase the size of my wallet for each one Iell! 19:31:27 *sell 19:31:59 kmc, btw i won't complain if you complain about this guy 19:32:15 this guy = bike? 19:32:28 yeah bike sucks 19:32:31 :( 19:32:37 but no he means uh 19:32:44 http://robrhinehart.com/ this guy 19:32:56 (note that while bike sucks, biking as an action is fine) 19:33:12 Fiora: apparently Kurzweil is into it. sad 19:33:37 he's the one who eats like, 200 different health supplements 19:33:41 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 19:33:50 the shotgun approach to health 19:34:23 i think it was elliott who said, "the singularity will occur the day before ray kurzweil would otherwise die" 19:34:27 well at least this person has done /some/ relevant research 19:34:30 and also is collecting data 19:34:41 though mostly anecdata 19:34:48 best data 19:35:49 kmc, well for me the most damning parts were him saying that all carbohydrates are the same, and that he thinks a lab supplier is a good source of ingredients. 19:36:32 what we need is more molecular gastronomists 19:36:37 Phantom_Hoover: well lab suppliers give you ingredients at higher purity than a particular supermarket 19:36:40 but that's normally higher than you need 19:36:47 Bike: there's Heston Blumenthal 19:36:50 not sure if there are any others, though 19:36:58 I think the real issue is how much I suck at installing graphics card 19:37:10 ais523, we talked about this earlier, lab reagents are not safe for human consumption. 19:37:33 you can have impurities that are fine in a lab but toxic to humans 19:37:36 right 19:37:38 of course 19:37:48 'An Introduction to Graphviz via R. Kelly’s “Trapped in the Closet” Hip Hopera' 19:37:51 ok 19:37:52 this might actually be the best blog 19:38:03 if it involves trapped in the closet it is the best blog 19:38:11 oh man, they're making a relationship graph, aren't they! 19:38:13 bitchin 19:38:32 Is that the one Weird Al parodied 19:38:35 yep 19:38:50 it has to be seen to be believed 19:38:55 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-L-Cp3qZfQ 19:39:25 aha, someone who does know their shit: http://robrhinehart.com/?p=424#comment-514 19:39:56 Bike, isn't that cop the biology teacher from community 19:40:03 notable for having R Kelly trying to sound Southern 19:40:22 and i don't know 19:41:40 miiidget... miiidget... miiidget 19:41:46 he was taking the piss, right 19:42:12 nope, the midget is properly introduced in the next episode 19:42:41 his name is Big Man, because he has a huge penis 19:43:20 he says "bridget get your ass back" 19:43:35 then he continues to rough up the midget as though the midget was under attack 19:43:47 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:44:22 also this is pretty meta because Kelly plays the main character but /also/ the narrator there, and they are separate 19:44:32 but this isn't clear up until he comes out of the closet! 19:46:02 which, i understand, is actually not an allegory at all 19:47:13 well it kind of is, the whole story is about people lying to each other about sexual conduct 19:47:16 Phantom_Hoover: didn't the guy also make a thing about how he used complex carbohydrates for health reasons? 19:47:17 most of them aren't gay though 19:47:28 Fiora, idk 19:47:39 but yeah, all his descriptions seem to be confusing <.< 19:49:22 also i overlooked this passage: "It's a difficult field because there are simply too many variables and the parameters are difficult to control precisely. This is why diets are fads. I decided to ditch nutrition and focus on biology." 19:49:50 not very inclined to introspection, this guy 19:51:12 but but nutrition is biology 19:51:37 i guess by focusing on biology he's eliminated all those variables and parameters 19:52:01 also: he's apparently missing choline which is apparently important 19:52:31 bodies are basically linear operators, donchaknow 19:53:17 also he didn't realise you can't absorb both iron and calcium at once 19:53:54 it's almost as if human nutrition is a complex field you can sink years into studying full-time 19:54:03 Fiora: you still haven't announced fiorasm on fioraaeterna have you 19:54:27 trying to go nutrient by nutrient seems really dangerous because I don't think we actually know all of the essential nutrients? 19:54:47 it's probably too reductionist to actually work 19:54:52 ummm I guess I don't figure most of my followers would be interested 19:55:04 maybe you'll be surprised! 19:55:11 you only have to press space once Fiora 19:55:30 other things he's left out: fibre, probiotics 19:55:45 but fiber is just carbohydrates, they're all the same! 19:57:17 carbohydrates will never be the same! 19:58:32 i mean if he was working with actual scientists something useful might come of this, but at present he's just going to end up making an idiot of himself 19:59:53 chemical engineers doing nutrition could be cool 20:01:41 biologists would be more useful; the aim would be to see if he's missing anything by monitoring his health rigorously 20:01:44 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 20:01:55 maybe that's already been tried though? 20:02:03 probably duriing the cold war at some point 20:02:09 other things he's missing: boron, silicon 20:02:17 also one of the responses to that comment you linked was "well then how do you explain that he felt well!" so 20:03:05 yes 20:03:42 i can't believe nobody's pointed out to him that "i feel good" vs. "my intestine-sense tells me i lack iron" is a godawful way of measuring anything 20:04:02 Hello 20:04:10 Phantom_Hoover, you should point it out 20:05:49 I feel go-urgh 20:05:52 * Taneb is dead 20:05:59 R.I.P. 20:06:00 no! he was so young 20:06:05 * Taneb is dead due to lack of boron in his intestine 20:06:10 so young and boronic 20:06:18 Here lies Taneb, no more hellos from him. 20:06:49 also apparently his soy protein base contains a compound that binds to oestrogen receptors 20:06:50 I need to teach something very basic and practical of programming (with PHP, unfortunately) to a bunch of people that have absolutely no idea about programming (or computers really) in about 40 minutes. What could I possible teach them? 20:06:56 * boily pours borax on Taneb. may your afterlife be boron-rich. amen. 20:07:04 it's a meal and a sex change, all in a glass! 20:07:39 AnotherTest: stereotypical example like the guessing game 20:07:54 AnotherTest: I used to use stereogram generators as an example of that, the algorithm is really really simple, like 7 or 8 lines in most languages 20:08:15 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Ribbit). 20:11:47 ais523: that would be great a really great idea, although I'm not sure if they're aware of stereograms 20:11:58 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:12:23 AnotherTest: one problem is that it needs decent support for 2D arrays, as well as some sensible way to provide an input image 20:12:27 ASCII art is sufficient for output 20:13:51 I'm not sure if I can explain 2D arrays and image input to people who have not written a single line of code before though... 20:14:13 You make that program which asks your name, and your age, and then prints out "Hello, , you are year(s) old." 20:14:18 That's, like, so exciting. 20:14:30 AnotherTest: yeah, that's why I brought it up as a problem 20:15:07 AnotherTest: Show them a grid of things 20:15:27 Well, the problem seems to be that most of the typical examples are pretty boring 20:16:14 FreeFull: sure, although I'm already having trouble finding one thing 20:16:58 Regarding "An Introduction to Graphviz via R. Kelly’s 'Trapped in the Closet' Hip Hopera", JPG for graphviz output, really? 20:17:10 AnotherTest: Why do you have to teach them? 20:17:13 worst blog every kmc 20:17:15 ever* 20:17:56 :/ 20:18:00 AnotherTest: maybe try to explain it using televisions as an example? 20:18:17 I guess that's harder nowadays since they're not tubes and you can't describe a beam going across a screen 20:18:50 FreeFull: Well, because they want to learn something (it's not a compulsory thing), and because I would like to get them interested in programming in general 20:20:34 When do you have to do this? A classic approach would be to post an Ask Slashdot topic about it. 20:20:40 AnotherTest: I suggest you show them cool magic 20:20:56 But, are you a cool magician? :) 20:23:27 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:24:03 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 20:26:24 FreeFull: I'm a really bad magician I think. 20:26:39 fizzie: next week, Thursday 20:27:07 I think one of the coolest things possible is live-coding some cool graphics/music 20:27:10 Then it's perhaps too soon. 20:27:12 in php 20:27:21 PHP gives you extra wizard points 20:27:56 just use the demo_makecool() function from the standard lib 20:28:11 The coolest thing you can possibly do is show them how to write a constraint solver. 20:28:14 Phantom_Hoover: but they don't know what a function means in PHP! 20:28:54 FreeFull, show them an eodermdrome interpreter 20:29:16 Phantom_Hoover: In PHP? 20:30:01 A visual eodermdrome IDE. 20:30:22 Written in eodermdrome 20:30:22 Oh great lord 20:30:32 With a backbone of PHP 20:30:43 "Let's just teach them brainfuck as a first language" 20:31:06 I'm sure they'll be delighted by this great abstraction 20:31:18 teach them trustfuck, sgeo has a degree and trust is important in trusted enterprise applications 20:31:51 You just start at beginning of the wiki's language list, and see how far you can get in 40 minutes. 20:32:03 ... 20:32:12 Except that it means you'll start with !!!Batch. 20:32:18 I think that was perhaps not the best advice. 20:32:26 do you have to go through brainfuck derivatives? 20:32:35 and what's wrong with !!!Batch? 20:33:08 ok. !!!Batch is not a good idea. 20:33:37 start with the !Kung languages, clearly 20:34:17 There's no "Batch derivatives" category, I see. 20:34:46 There's only like one person who ever batch derivatives? 20:34:56 Sure, but there's more than one of them. 20:35:02 There's Numeric Batch, for example. 20:35:35 He Is Also Working On A New Language 20:35:37 And I'm pretty sure there was more than just !!!Batch and Numeric Batch. 20:35:38 oh no 20:35:48 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 20:35:54 There's "Poison" 20:36:13 Maybe I was thinking of Poison. 20:36:23 But it's a... Python derivative, arguably? 20:36:49 like python without actual control flow? 20:36:54 (except for exit) 20:37:00 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 20:37:13 ow. 20:37:18 Oh but you can do dip("python module") it seems 20:37:27 I seem to recall you can just use regular Python, too. 20:37:32 So you'd write your code in python, and then load it 20:37:39 All the foo()s are just additional functions. 20:37:45 (I might misremember.) 20:38:24 Well it has a sq (sqrt) function but not addition 20:38:35 I guess sqrt was more important 20:39:07 is it just me, or is it not quite an esolang? 20:39:49 boily: It's weird 20:40:42 it's also terrifying. 20:41:37 "Numeric Batch Was Created By Shubshub To Make Programming In Batch More Challenging and to Make it seem Better as it is Theoreticly Unreadable" 20:41:50 good esolang name 20:42:00 like, it seems better because it's not readable 20:43:41 Anyway, I'll see what I teach them. I think it might be nice if they can sort of work towards a certain program during the 40 minutes. 20:44:51 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 20:48:05 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:58:35 -!- wareya_ has joined. 21:01:46 -!- wareya has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 21:09:20 -!- azaq23 has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 21:13:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:14:05 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:15:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:17:09 -!- augur has joined. 21:17:47 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 21:18:17 -!- copumpkin has joined. 21:22:25 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 21:23:04 -!- Sgeo has joined. 21:29:12 > sortBy (\_ _ -> GT) "Hello, world!" 21:29:14 "!dlrow ,olleH" 21:32:21 > sortBy (\_ _ -> EQ) "Hello, world!" -- is it stable? 21:32:23 "Hello, world!" 21:32:38 Every letter is born equal. 21:45:22 kmc: what book by kurt vonnegut should i read.. 21:45:35 not an expert on that 21:45:57 ok. 21:46:23 all i read was ``cat's cradle`` and ''slaughterhouse-five'' and they were both good 21:46:54 how about the rosenberg one 21:47:06 which one is that one 21:47:48 Breakfast of Champions 22:06:34 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:07:24 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 22:09:58 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:17:32 Was Cat's Cradle the one with ice-nine? 22:17:51 "Not to be confused with Ice IX", I'm sure Wikipedia says. 22:23:12 yes. 22:23:25 and yes, it does say that, since ice ix is an actual form of water. 22:26:26 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 22:29:50 -!- metasepia has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 22:30:00 -!- boily has joined. 22:37:30 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 22:48:29 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:53:17 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 22:57:01 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:58:15 -!- Bike_ has joined. 22:58:29 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:58:59 -!- copumpkin has joined. 23:09:43 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 23:33:20 Phantom_Hoover, this show is amazing 23:33:39 You should still watch PMMM 23:43:58 Phantom_Hoover, how often do time related epsiodes occur? 23:44:02 Because I really like this one 23:44:19 "Back and Back and Back to the Future" 23:44:32 (still watching) 23:50:25 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 23:59:38 Sgeo, not... that much, i think? 23:59:51 Aww 23:59:57 This was a good episode :)