< 1363910826 896340 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6,1 PH, you're not going to stab me!
< 1363910852 3554 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6,1 http://i.imgur.com/PCfvIcv.jpg  I have her to protect me
< 1363910891 93855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/fall/for/, btw
< 1363910970 43499 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, cushions are notoriously vulnerable to overpenetration
< 1363910983 222551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be able to make your IRC client to not display the colors, if you want
< 1363910994 869092 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION will go back to normal now
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< 1363912034 87942 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Lymia 
< 1363912042 308065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/large-asbestoscontaminated-tarantula-on-the-loose-in-cardiff-8544532.html
< 1363912051 168523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally, a solution to the problem of wales
< 1363912199 268562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/large-asbestoscontaminated-tarantula-on-the-loose-in-cardiff-8544532.html  <Phantom_Hoover> finally, a solution to the problem of wales
< 1363912203 997917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :987) <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/large-asbestoscontaminated-tarantula-on-the-loose-in-cardiff-8544532.html  <Phantom_Hoover> finally, a solution to the problem of wales
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< 1363915784 518617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fuck
< 1363915811 489560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what we all feared, a spider that cannot be burned
< 1363915871 539145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha yep
< 1363915878 558572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no recourse to "kill it with fire"
< 1363915893 739438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok just use water instead
< 1363915894 699630 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh ooh what did i miss
< 1363915924 968537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote problem of wales
< 1363915927 21359 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :987) <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/large-asbestoscontaminated-tarantula-on-the-loose-in-cardiff-8544532.html  <Phantom_Hoover> finally, a solution to the problem of wales
< 1363916175 528891 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :convenient
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< 1363927897 603776 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it weren't for lack of 3d gaming, I would use this http://qubes-os.org/trac/wiki/QubesScreenshots
< 1363928292 753563 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, neat
< 1363928463 443617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like good defense in depth, although not perfect
< 1363928477 323663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VM breakout exploits are not super rare
< 1363928484 563223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you are letting random devices through
< 1363928549 107046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it uses Xen, I wonder if it would be difficult to configure VGA passthru for this
< 1363928646 444467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does Xen not support it? they mention VT-d on that page I thought
< 1363928661 673039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway their isolation UI depends on not giving any VM unrestricted access to the video hw
< 1363928680 924862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you do that, breakouts become a lot easier
< 1363928687 503162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Xen supports passthru, Qubes doesn't
< 1363928688 668599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because video cards and drivers are enormously complicated
< 1363928689 856192 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, good point
< 1363928699 733795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why I'm scared of WebGL
< 1363928712 612229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that kind of idea, having the different program in different VM
< 1363928722 663160 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play my 3d games :(
< 1363928729 563568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's my entire reason for even caring about Windows
< 1363928730 824162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish our operating systems just fucking worked and then we wouldn't need to slap another layer on
< 1363928742 3090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you could dual boot
< 1363928749 713547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use an encrypted Linux disk so that Windows malware can't mess with it
< 1363928752 343594 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are really worried
< 1363928757 73277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could still do more devious things though
< 1363928778 725844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use hardware security features which have switches to lock access to drives
< 1363928789 416264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other problem with passthrough is, your game could pretend to exit but actually display a full screen simulation of the trusted qubes interface
< 1363928796 219524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play my 3d Windows games while on IRC and doing Linuxy stuff
< 1363928798 903910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: heh. or unplug the damn thing :)
< 1363928803 863599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: or you could buy an xbox
< 1363928824 463115 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think XBoxes support Active Worlds and Second Life and Docking Station
< 1363928829 513905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes life a lot easier to have the magical game box which is always up to spec and doesn't need constant care and feeding
< 1363928830 873250 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Docking Station isn't 3d
< 1363928832 507268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ok
< 1363928835 603199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the games you need aren't supported
< 1363928837 778533 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, you can unplug it, you can have separate drives
< 1363928883 214663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows malware could still reflash your BIOS or your network card's PCI option ROM to take control
< 1363928895 905296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the game pretends to exit and does that, well, that is another reason to use hardware security support; have LEDs and switches and that stuff to control the security features, which is much more security.
< 1363928908 893577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or simulate a reboot but actually boot the entire trusted environment inside nested virtualization which it controls
< 1363928914 638716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using this hardware stuff can even prevent Windows malware from reflashing the BIOS and that stuff!
< 1363928918 743846 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I could rely on security through obscurity to some extent, it's unlikely that there's any malware that would take a lucky guess that I'm running a modified Qubes OS
< 1363928925 259221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep
< 1363928930 943296 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And guess as to what domains I have, etc.
< 1363928934 974529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fantastically unlikely that anyone will mount such an attack
< 1363928945 790123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why, security by hardware.
< 1363928950 533294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another problem with the encrypted linux drive is that you typically have an unencrypted boot partition
< 1363928956 6655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can put that on removable media easily enough
< 1363929003 717340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do that with my servers
< 1363929013 143704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The big problem with modifying Qubes OS is... I don't know much about Xen, and trying to reconfigure preconfigured Xen will be even more difficult probably
< 1363929056 986487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you want to modify?
< 1363929084 142957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The complicated and stupid design of computer really causes security problems as well as various other problems too. Even with USB, it can be a problem. (I have suggested a patch to Linux to fix this hole; only on this channel, though, not on Linux.)
< 1363929152 643333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, allowing and actually performing VGA passthru
< 1363929160 433377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1363929249 973541 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could just run raw Xen I assume?
< 1363929326 535808 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The patch I suggested was this: If there is PS/2 keyboard, do not accept USB keyboard by default (although it can still be configured to allow in specific cases, possibly one of the SysRq commands); if there is no PS/2 keyboard, use the USB keyboard available at boot time instead of others (again, can be reconfigured by the user).
< 1363929331 204486 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably choose a card that Xen supports
< 1363929360 153401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this is really a problem with USB, not with Linux; however, it is possible to fix it by software in these ways, nevertheless.
< 1363929372 904095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, a guy showed me this USB stick he had that pretends to be a keyboard and does stuff. Your suggestions would presumably prevent that
< 1363929399 217498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see http://www.demyo.com/products/demyo-power-strip/
< 1363929400 545650 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, I read that too; however, my thoughts about this were before those things existed.
< 1363929426 473695 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I read about PS/2 keyboards is that they leak a lot of data onto the power supply line and the building power wiring
< 1363929430 433348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for whatever reason
< 1363929454 275376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The new computer I make it will be: security by simplicity.
< 1363929459 229809 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: What if there is a UPS?
< 1363929471 123839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not then?
< 1363929472 123458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno
< 1363929535 404062 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do ATI graphics work better with Linux than they used to?
< 1363929597 944206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, i have been using nvidia and intel since forever
< 1363929834 10925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.xen.org/wiki/XenVGAPassthroughTestedAdapters
< 1363929841 240786 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This does seem to suggest that ATI works better
< 1363929873 610136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think if i really cared about security i would just buy a second computer
< 1363929876 131896 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and use it for secure shit
< 1363929883 331822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or use my old laptop that already exists
< 1363929922 360536 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :virtualization is cool and all but it's still this huge pile of complexity
< 1363929924 271407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just security though
< 1363929951 631005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also using Windows for certain kinds of recreation while, say, using KDE's niceties for most things
< 1363929967 650018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernels are insecure because they're giant C programs, so let's give up on all the properties they were supposed to provide, while replacing them with other giant C programs
< 1363929980 79571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but these are more secure because they haven't been around as long and fewer bugs are known!
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< 1363929998 203378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sure, you can do that within a very standard Linux distro though
< 1363930002 240015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also about having fun with different distros to their fullest complexity, without ever disconnecting from all the other things I was doing
< 1363930003 220008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using qemu-kvm say
< 1363930020 620092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, ok. Still need VGA pass-thru for 3d games?
< 1363930061 920772 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know anything about that
< 1363930068 281741 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you know about stuff like that eros OS project right? does it not suck?
< 1363930074 932534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about eros OS
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< 1363930187 611071 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.eros-os.org/eros.html
< 1363930202 150857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. I wonder if, if I use Windows as a base OS and just virtualize Linux, if some virtualization things allow some sort of keyboard passthru so I could type in Linux without much risk of interception
< 1363930296 460482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EROS looks dead
< 1363930304 920792 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is dead.
< 1363930326 200615 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1363930353 290707 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The front page, which I didn't bother linking, says basically "this is dead, see Coyotos" and links to that.
< 1363930529 210657 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1363930755 471386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coyotos looks dead too
< 1363930777 416962 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everybody's dead.
< 1363930832 901336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh they're the people behind BitC?
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< 1363931597 792829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.. think XenClient might just support 3d gaming without any difficulties? I don't know
< 1363931670 453064 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I see someone complaining about being able to do 3d stuff with only one VM at a time
< 1363931674 401543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really mind that
< 1363931699 245471 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope this means people are trying to play shooters twice at once.
< 1363931846 922015 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me a major drawback of XenClient might be being unable to run VirtualBox inside the guest OSes
< 1363932000 402148 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Everyone knows it's adding security, it's more code!
< 1363932010 642233 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :More code is more secure donchano
< 1363932013 417123 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you might still be able to run Bochs inside the guest OSes, though?
< 1363932032 581775 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be impressed if you got Bochs to not run.
< 1363932050 839073 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: VirtualBox should run, though probably not as fast.
< 1363932069 710104 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox works just fine without hardware virtualization.
< 1363932088 178314 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm
< 1363932157 588002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you not want security through simplicity?
< 1363932165 993230 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blah, why can't a hypervisor being run under VT-x use VT-x itself? Does VT-x extensions not apply to VT-x extensions?
< 1363932181 612771 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That is what I actually prefer.
< 1363932190 452457 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Obviously no bugs, rather than no obvious bugs.
< 1363932212 200399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: Yes. I prefer too
< 1363932213 285883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pritn "Hello, world!"
< 1363932263 802049 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, seems VT-x is set up such that a hypervisor using it *could* emulate VT-x.
< 1363932319 581857 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VirtualBox does not seem to implement it though.
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< 1363932580 912874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, VirtualBox does not implement sanely being under another VT-x hypervisor, or does not implement being a hypervisor under which other hypervisors can use VT-x?
< 1363932931 722918 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not implement being a hypervisor under which other hypervisors can use VT-x.
< 1363933002 282111 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about that thing where some virtual machines use ring 1 for the internal OS and ring0 for the real OS?
< 1363933008 410675 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd prevent a VM inside a VM too, right?
< 1363933028 652467 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's how Xen does its paravirtualization.
< 1363933044 269242 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that the ring 1 OS is written to run under the ring 0 OS.
< 1363933046 876898 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically.
< 1363933055 980429 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh
< 1363933066 172304 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VT-x does not run that way.
< 1363933091 209327 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to run a VM inside a VM inside a VM inside a VM inside a VM inside a VM inside a VM inside a VM, for only the reason that I want the VM to be compatible with the host system or with a different kind of host system too.
< 1363933094 276012 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead it's basically hacking the Popek and Golberg requirements onto x86.
< 1363933096 92374 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need aleph-0 rings for all my minecraft-in-minecraft, imo
< 1363933189 183570 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I have thought of something like that too (but not with Minecraft), and where each program calls its own ring, zero.
< 1363933219 479638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it is difficult.
< 1363933414 552884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_, does Xen full virtualizatio support being a hypervisor under which other hypervisors can use VT-x?
< 1363933429 733419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And which does XenClient use? >.>
< 1363933513 352775 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it a contradiction that there's seven days a week, but only five or six weekdays?
< 1363933515 962944 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know if Xen supports it or not.
< 1363933541 689066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: No, it is a stupid language.
< 1363933555 982148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that like driving in a parkway and parking in a driveway?
< 1363933563 706599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That joke is how I learned what a parkway is)
< 1363933662 726557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, this page seems to imply that the 3d thing is a XenClient XT thing
< 1363934137 912909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh https://github.com/GaloisInc/HaLVM
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< 1363934555 439596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many people think the rule that a aura that is also a creature is discarded, is a bad rule?
< 1363934569 91748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is an aura?
< 1363934604 333611 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/336186-33-full-gaming-virtual-machine
< 1363934630 409644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: A subtype of an enchantment, in Magic: the Gathering cards. (Also called a "local enchantment")
< 1363934833 430086 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some other rules I don't like, too, some others of which are also state-based effects. I think losing due to being unable to draw a card should be immediate rather than a state-based effect, and that a token ceasing to exist when not in play should be inherent in its "initial state" rather than being a state-based effect.
< 1363934868 625312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think that copies of spells should count as tokens.
< 1363934906 105967 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are too many klugy rules; I would rather it be mathematically elegant.
< 1363934924 832746 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of this?
< 1363935013 312675 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's funny that the guy who originally developed Magic was a student of that one combinatorialist.
< 1363935020 783343 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also that MtG seems to work by common law which is kinda great.
< 1363935068 354049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer games that work by C'mon Law.
< 1363935102 202660 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's where you whine until the rules change, right?
< 1363935130 472131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like some of the rule changes but many I don't like.
< 1363935214 421492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think that mana burn has a strategic purpose and would like to keep it. I also like that the remove from game zone has been changed now it is called exile zone; "removed from game" zone isn't a very good name for it.
< 1363935263 629604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, they didn't change it enough. I would have called the "graveyard" instead the "discard zone" and the "library" instead the "draw pile zone" or "draw zone"
< 1363935299 886638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, those names as not as bad as "removed from game", so it isn't as much of the problem.
< 1363935366 90026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is your opinion about my suggestion about tokens and "initial state"?
< 1363935379 462397 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=74231
< 1363935444 523315 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I have seen that before.
< 1363935484 681852 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, what I mean is that, if it were a Haskell function type to move an object from one zone to another, instead of   moveToZone :: Object -> Zone -> Game Object   will be   moveToZone :: Object -> Zone -> Game (Maybe Object)
< 1363935548 774223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that explain it better, or worse?
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< 1363936126 337388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it might be a different game.
< 1363936265 571538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be the mathematical version of Magic: the Gathering cards, I suppose, in case you value mathematical elegance over sanity, or something like that.
< 1363936488 929683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this?
< 1363936503 503582 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363936546 153113 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :
< 1363936646 14369 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds
< 1363936794 980865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any existing cards that would have a significant change of use if losing by unable to draw a card is made immediate?
< 1363936806 393716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a combination of cards?
< 1363936838 513938 :Bike_!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1363937066 414207 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TMI time:
< 1363937094 883217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a lot of the reason I haven't had 'fun' before 2011 was a result of utter sexual obliviousness
< 1363937150 134640 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no it's sgeo tells us about his sexual adventures time
< 1363937237 71088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My prior sentence was really the only thing I desired to say about the subject now.
< 1363937256 344491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the topic in general is not one I feel particularly reluctant to discuss
< 1363937270 102592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does there exist a topic you feel reluctant to discuss
< 1363937273 753758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1363937694 14710 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably rutabagas.
< 1363937949 823871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear that's illegal under the DMCA now.
< 1363938054 465121 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363938114 610677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "TMI" mean?
< 1363938137 308367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you reluctant to say what topics you feel reluctant to discuss?
< 1363938149 464863 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds
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< 1363938563 647792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, "TMI" means "Too Much Information". And yes.
< 1363938583 385663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK
< 1363939195 497791 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds
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< 1363939855 687877 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you Vulcan?
< 1363939975 210635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: No.
< 1363940008 118022 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1363940049 8157 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43843.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363940739 88906 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this some kind of sex discussion channel nowadays? (Or was it always?)
< 1363940831 289202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Not just any sex, esoteric sex.
< 1363940857 118201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if I understand Xen properly, I could effectively use it just like VirtualBox except I need the started OS to technically be Xen
< 1363940872 958071 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it would feel like my base OS is a Linux distro, the dom0
< 1363940957 440546 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dom0 is still under the Xen hypervisor, technically.
< 1363940958 518773 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1363941010 688978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but in terms of using it, the UI would feel like it isn't
< 1363941053 559433 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363941474 301565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Famicom keyboard seem to be that the shifted codes are the XOR 16 of ASCII codes of each keys.
< 1363941581 58 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363941589 207930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You used to run in a Xen domU back before they dropped support for non-PAE systems, right? Did it feel any different? 
< 1363941589 868809 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and allows fun obfuscation you can do it with
< 1363941595 578703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe that was before your time.)
< 1363941861 584783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make 42 in a PHP code having only punctuation?
< 1363941964 349048 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :is T_PAAMAYIM_NEKUDOTAYIM punctuation
< 1363942021 772244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean :: then yes it is OK. However, I mean specifically ASCII punctuation, so that is OK.
< 1363942237 120061 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43843.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd
< 1363942472 608331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O! I managed to score the exact same number of points in today's basketball game as in yesterday's game.
< 1363943057 449675 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363943295 901477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make 42 in a PHP code having only the ASCII punctuation codes (no letter, number, control, non-ASCII), please?
< 1363943966 48344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PART :#esoteric
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< 1363944272 723645 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: There's a trivial solution of  (!-"")+(!-"")+...+(!-"")  except with 42 of the (!-"") terms in it. It can probably be shortened a lot.
< 1363944295 969345 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Even by using that single building block, by doing it as 6*7.)
< 1363944332 429450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in fact you don't need the - either, (!"") is okay as the number 1.
< 1363944410 511540 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can be done shorter, but yes that is one way, at least.
< 1363944423 789327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -e '<?php echo(((!"")+(!"")+(!"")+(!"")+(!"")+(!""))*((!"")+(!"")+(!"")+(!"")+(!"")+(!"")+(!""))); ?>\n' > tmp.php; php5 tmp.php
< 1363944427 339511 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :42
< 1363944473 94285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, and of course there's also the plain
< 1363944473 999484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ echo -e '<?php echo(((!"")+(!"")+(!"")+(!"")).((!"")+(!""))); ?>\n' > tmp.php; php5 tmp.php
< 1363944477 149322 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :42
< 1363944496 694461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but still, there is shorter way. Those are a few ways, though.
< 1363944501 739756 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er.
< 1363944512 199509 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to have found a gearlance crash
< 1363944515 109684 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :()*-1
< 1363944517 819635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm sure there's something very clever.
< 1363944527 126804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there is any shorter than what I have?
< 1363944570 422504 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: It works for me: http://sprunge.us/UALQ
< 1363944733 691732 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems you have 39 characters to make 42, which is shorter from what you had before, at least !
< 1363944758 626077 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, http://paste.strictfp.com/37078/ac1fa492561ed0da0a5da3066b4a5cb7
< 1363944770 649705 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems to hang the evaluator
< 1363944782 999755 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was *just* about to comment on that.
< 1363944790 920627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had written this: It is interpreted rather inefficiently, though, so maybe there's potential for a denial-of-service kind of thing there, with a suitably nested ((()*-1 ()*-1 ()*-1)*-1 ... )*-1 thing. (Please don't do that to the bot.)
< 1363944828 240617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the ()-loops don't take any cycles, but will still have to be counted down; it doesn't check whether there's any content inside that takes cycles.
< 1363944853 155866 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So.
< 1363944857 600586 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would forbidding ()*-1 fix it?
< 1363944871 279822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though with all those ...s in there -- is that the literal program? -- it should just hit the cycle limit at least reasonably fast.
< 1363944879 989494 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the literal program, yeah.
< 1363944920 470144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe doing approximately 10k rounds of something that contains a countdown loop of 100k just does take long, then.
< 1363944984 199321 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :...
< 1363944985 389838 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, er.
< 1363944994 579959 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cycle limit is 10000, right?
< 1363944999 969227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, 100000.
< 1363945018 178456 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(..........()*-1.....)
< 1363945020 532244 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's 15 .s
< 1363945032 119797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, 10000 was an approximation of 100000/15.
< 1363945033 119714 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giving (100000/15)*100000
< 1363945036 19517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a particularly good one.
< 1363945044 399275 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.149.18 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363945083 99022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pruning out ()s that have no content that takes ticks should fix that.
< 1363945093 290868 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah.
< 1363945105 238928 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just going "wtf, why isn't this generation taking so long"
< 1363945109 279694 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is*
< 1363945115 314448 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to remember to see if I should build in such a step, since Bad Things might happen if someone submits a program like that.
< 1363945126 241921 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Now see if you can do with less than 39 characters.
< 1363945149 789989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that, see if if it possible to do with less than 12 characters.
< 1363945222 129408 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :evo-169-129.bfjoust:.....-...,:cut crash:,..><
< 1363945222 337851 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :evo-169-156.bfjoust:-<><->+....,:cut crash:,.>
< 1363945222 338039 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :evo-86-159.bfjoust:..........(..........(..........(..........(..........,:cut crash:,.....)*-1.....)*-1.....)*-1.....)*-1.....
< 1363945223 689404 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez...
< 1363945230 69801 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is apparently not uncommon either...
< 1363945484 749554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: (!""+!""+!""+!"").(!""+!"") is 27 characters, I guess. Those parentheses were a bit useless.
< 1363945553 449522 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363945586 863363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: OK. That is still too long, though.
< 1363945862 930378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I know enough PHP to be good at this. (Plus I need to go listen to a dissertation now.)
< 1363945884 911321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What dissertation is that?
< 1363945993 146206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's http://ics.aalto.fi/en/current/events/doctoral_defence_of_m-sc-janne_pylkkonen/ this one.
< 1363946121 100112 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's mostly about discriminative training, I believe.
< 1363947332 23298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/09/24/ubuntu_amazon_suggestions/
< 1363947333 30069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O
< 1363947442 960683 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :O.o
< 1363947720 563947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1363948129 600333 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363948404 668048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363948836 971601 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shuttleworth: "Don't be mad, you trust us with root anyway"
< 1363948897 534722 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"These are not ads because they are not paid placement"
< 1363948901 990532 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolbuntu
< 1363949657 6289 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds
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< 1363950956 654374 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set the hill for the evolver to Tue, 08 Feb 2011 20:11:28 
< 1363950963 401336 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see what happens!
< 1363951149 301894 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :total failure
< 1363951149 602771 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer
< 1363951157 54610 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The old hill apparently does not parse under gearlance
< 1363951211 245400 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds
< 1363951231 52110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet, is this as bad as I think.
< 1363951245 881593 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: this may have been before changing to an interpreter which bans unmatched [] inside (), i remember some programs were manually translated during the changeover
< 1363951291 861847 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shrug
< 1363951293 821483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inside ()*
< 1363951296 484244 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found and removed the culprit
< 1363951309 782172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was afair a simple matter of using ()% instead
< 1363951318 721709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay
< 1363951326 561772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it unmatched [] ?
< 1363951330 490449 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic's programs, both of them.
< 1363951331 33601 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah
< 1363951345 642322 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363951469 131692 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<fizzie> zzo38: (!""+!""+!""+!"").(!""+!"") is 27 characters, I guess. Those parentheses were a bit useless.
< 1363951487 371996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it would get shorter if you could find a shorter representation of 2?
< 1363951532 54947 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing?
< 1363951534 452480 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363951537 492252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Disconnected by services
< 1363951538 842091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, does php have << ? in which case (!""<<(!""+!"")).(!""+!"") might work?
< 1363951544 555512 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott
< 1363951551 238649 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are you doing?? o~o
< 1363951578 781402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: zzo38 gave a puzzle about how to get the number 42 in php using only ASCII punctuation characters
< 1363951587 652226 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah
< 1363951598 892577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie got it down to the quote above
< 1363951608 731384 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but zzo38 said there's something shorter
< 1363951676 391619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i don't know php either, but i'm guessing ! is logical not, "" is treated as false, . is concatenation and php is well-known to convert insanely
< 1363951681 401793 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :$_=!""+!"";($_+$_).$_
< 1363951682 632422 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about that
< 1363951712 891989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a single expression?  i was assuming that was implied although maybe zzo38 didn't mean that
< 1363951718 923160 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not
< 1363951725 651809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it mutates.
< 1363951738 1465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does php have C's , ?
< 1363951754 711583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be an expression at least
< 1363951768 172097 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which php
< 1363951774 322322 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1363951804 181674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok HackEgo, i didn't really expect you to have it
< 1363951855 589878 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(($_=!""+!"")+$_).$_
< 1363951857 742382 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about that
< 1363951860 432100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm zzo38 _may_ be implying 12 characters is enough
< 1363951897 513178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> After that, see if if it possible to do with less than 12 characters.
< 1363951963 901995 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tested in a PHP interpreter
< 1363951968 481460 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(($_=!""+!"")+$_).$_ == "42"
< 1363951994 378644 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does ($_=!""+!"")+$_.$_
< 1363951997 911832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<zzo38> Can you make 42 in a PHP code having only the ASCII punctuation codes (no letter, number, control, non-ASCII), please?
< 1363952013 810210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think that implies it has to be an expression
< 1363952028 352159 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The expression is shorter anyways :p
< 1363952217 561959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah best i've seen so far
< 1363952224 12688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :still not 12, though :P
< 1363952345 572545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part other than the expression for 2 is already 11 chars
< 1363953435 434736 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust holycraparush? >+(-[-[-[-[-]]>+(-[-])*9]>+(-[-[-]]>+(-[-])*9)*9]>+(-[-[-[-]]>+(-[-])*9]>+(-[-[-]]>+(-[-])*9)*9)*9)*9
< 1363953448 15976 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_holycraparush_: 3.0
< 1363953455 724239 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently one change is enough to encourage the evolver to produce sensible things.
< 1363953460 594146 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make empty programs commit suicide via <
< 1363953804 538833 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds
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< 1363955452 403899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<kmc> i wish our operating systems just fucking worked and then we wouldn't need to slap another layer on
< 1363955458 196422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: donations to the Write @ Fund are welcome
< 1363955966 438886 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What's Write @ Fund?
< 1363956000 394697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fund that gives me enough money to stop caring about other things and devote my energies to writing @
< 1363956028 357165 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, what's @?
< 1363956068 674649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1363956070 143974 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't
< 1363956070 884500 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask
< 1363956113 295367 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how I have a mythical Sgeolang? @ is elliottos
< 1363956138 114059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except @ presumably has some design thoughts at least
< 1363956138 322514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think @'s design may be considerably more concrete.
< 1363956152 473825 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm rather new, so I don't really know the names of everybody's mythlangs yet
< 1363956161 413886 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ isn't a language
< 1363956166 899465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well it sort of is.
< 1363956168 783778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only sort of.
< 1363956169 383932 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an OS?
< 1363956175 84901 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also not technically an os
< 1363956189 812830 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is some magical combination of OS and language?
< 1363956198 584822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember if elliott wanted to go with ~computing environment~ or not
< 1363956220 383819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might have been cpressey
< 1363956424 593608 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so, what is @?
< 1363956460 892575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: an English-language macro expanding to the name I'll give @ in the future
< 1363956485 980221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i preferred it when it was called mitosis
< 1363956538 995674 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also known as a code name
< 1363956551 424308 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also not the answer I was looking for -_-
< 1363956551 632318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: no no.
< 1363956553 229661 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ isn't a name.
< 1363956559 404986 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when you say @, you're saying the name I'll give @.
< 1363956563 574555 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't know it yet.
< 1363956570 314101 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD
< 1363956583 956044 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: So, what is @?
< 1363956585 467241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no you fool, mitosis is the name of the prototypes that will be written to aid the development of @
< 1363956601 194421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: it is a committed-vapourware operating environment for computers
< 1363956603 473032 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, (what @ actually is is only a little more confusing than the name situation)
< 1363956613 67705 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :And from what you just said, @ is not an English-language macro
< 1363956636 944483 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ is obviously a committed-vapourware operating environment for computers
< 1363956681 613814 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :So uh... what does @ do?
< 1363956688 394433 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :things
< 1363956695 424714 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh! I like things!
< 1363956714 894209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't enforce a separation between persistent and other memory!
< 1363956721 176236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uh
< 1363956734 44072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :has something with a garbage collector somewhere
< 1363956900 324406 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving
< 1363956919 784446 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: hmm, what's persistent memory?
< 1363956955 674226 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, never mind, I found it
< 1363956974 55896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was also assuming that _ is not punctuation.
< 1363956995 215572 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does that mean variable values can be stored to hard drive?
< 1363957187 244837 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ruby --version
< 1363957189 524401 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ruby: not found
< 1363957241 174681 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know that ruby uses qsort to sort arrays
< 1363957264 174419 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP does have a comma expression, FWIW.
< 1363957284 224143 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that it doesn't even use libc qsort, but ruby_qsort
< 1363957309 674376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Re ($_=!""+!"")+$_.$_, I don't know if it has a defined evaluation order. Maybe it has. (Or maybe it's again defined by implementation.)
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< 1363960312 730815 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-1200 +.+.(+.)*7>+.[+.].++.(+.+.(+.)*7>+.[+.].+)*7>+.[+.+.(+.)*7>+.[+.].+].++.+.(+.+.(+.)*7>+.[+.].++.(+.+.(+.)*7>+.[+.].+)*7>+.[+.+.(+.)*7>+.[+.].+].++.+.)*7>+.[+.+.(+.)*7>+.[+.].++.(+.+.(+.)*7>+.[+.].+)*7>+.[+.+.(+.)*7>+.[+.].+].++.+.].++.
< 1363960317 101373 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-1200: 9.4
< 1363960378 928566 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Population size 20, hill vs hill. :p
< 1363960387 405451 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it /can/ make stuff other than just vibrators
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< 1363962237 87340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION attempts to get a Slashdot first post that's good enough to get modded to +5
< 1363962237 682558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1363962240 7475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1363962240 576576 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 23h 58m 53s ago: second day in a row of french spam...
< 1363962243 846436 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Quit: reboot
< 1363962391 422016 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott the filter caught all four spambots that edited today and yesterday (see http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog), but even though it's configured to automatically block, it isn't automatically blocking; is there a configuration issue in the MediaWiki extension?
< 1363962392 37026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1363962534 586179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 good question!
< 1363962535 114054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1363962539 335891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages
< 1363962539 833777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 4s ago: good question!
< 1363962557 975716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: how come http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/19 doesn't work, I wonder?
< 1363962558 466427 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1363962570 298074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/examine/log/19
< 1363962578 220736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: every entry in the abuse log seems to be repeated
< 1363962583 16858 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and only one of the repeats work
< 1363962584 466330 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*works
< 1363962590 913887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why
< 1363962610 596576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm... that's not good
< 1363962635 266297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any debugging suggestions? I could get around to updating MW sometime, maybe that'd help?
< 1363962651 524743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not very familiar with the server side of MediaWiki, just how to use it as a user
< 1363962666 526503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I wonder if we should add some more CAPTCHA questions
< 1363962672 671023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might or might not help
< 1363962675 56429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if they have to use a human enough they'll give up :)
< 1363962730 135889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: btw, why'd the filter not catch http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&curid=1&diff=35732&oldid=34660?
< 1363962734 446535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the XHTML br tag?
< 1363962750 281146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, also there's whitespace before it
< 1363962755 862434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seemed too potentially prone to false positives
< 1363962762 967029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should just add "Are you French?" to the signup.
< 1363962767 558451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm checking for just text<br><br>text because that's what the spambots are doing
< 1363962767 767236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and disallow registration if you say yes.
< 1363962773 76497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that also has the advantage of keeping French people out
< 1363962777 396754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :very consistently on their own user page
< 1363962789 785927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the number of <br>s vary
< 1363962794 565924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: perhaps we should check for two brs in a row
< 1363962798 867647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :<br><br> or <br /><br />
< 1363962800 925993 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they have some sort of automated HTML generator
< 1363962815 216341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no newlines on the page, or something
< 1363962816 905863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really sure if I want to broaden a filter that's apparently already working
< 1363962836 56066 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send it to google translate
< 1363962838 725369 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And ask it what language it is
< 1363962848 404309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well, it didn't work to catch Main Page spam
< 1363962854 771236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the worst kind
< 1363962855 956321 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it only checks userspace
< 1363962860 257385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh
< 1363962862 698275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the spambots are all consistently trying to edit that first
< 1363962870 568039 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it blocked a userspace edit from each of the spambots
< 1363962871 786637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I see, it caught the user first
< 1363962874 167764 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just didn't block the spambot too
< 1363962879 636140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my idea was that it'd catch that edit, block the spambot
< 1363962885 797417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it wouldn't have a chance to make the other edits
< 1363962890 126474 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right
< 1363962908 195903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am a bit worried that the spam will end up being in recent changes instead, with them registering and getting blocked :)
< 1363962945 437976 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: registration would be in recent changes; I'm not sure if abuse filter-related blocks would be, though
< 1363962961 415967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but at the point when they register, they aren't spambots :)
< 1363962987 906396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to prevent main page spam, I can add a canary string that causes changes to fail if it isn't in the new text of thepage
< 1363962989 436219 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the page
< 1363963001 756439 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-1359 ++(+)*7>.>-[+]<+(++(+)*7>.>-[+]<)*7>.>-[++(+)*7>.>-[+]<]<++[++(+)*7>.>-[+]<+(++(+)*7>.>-[+]<)*7>.>-[++(+)*7>.>-[+]<]<+](++(+)*7>.>-[+]<+(++(+)*7>.>-[+]<)*7>.>-[++(+)*7>.>-[+]<]<++[++(+)*7>.>-[+]<+(++(+)*7>.>-[+]<)*7>.>-[++(+)*7>.>-[+]<]<+])*7>.>-[++(+)*7>.>-[+]<+(++(+)*7>.>-[+]<)*7>.>-[++(+)*7>.>-[+]<]<++[++(+)*7>.>-[+]<+(++(+)*7>.>-[+]<)*7>.>-[++(+)*7>.>-[+]<]<+]]<+
< 1363963002 736424 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can either use something that's already there, or an arbitrary string in a comment
< 1363963004 917263 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-1359: 7.5
< 1363963015 636405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, if it would have been blocked I don't care
< 1363963026 317062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and, well, I mean, we should be catching 100% of spambots at user regsitration time
< 1363963029 646815 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah.
< 1363963030 846548 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1363963031 54866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*registration
< 1363963040 567497 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid EgoBot inconstant fitness function :p
< 1363963054 916908 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I still vote for blocking any edits that appear to be in French.
< 1363963073 526395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately technoology has not yet advanced to the point where we can distinguish French from line noise
< 1363963080 948004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and programs that look like line noise are on topic
< 1363963094 827648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as are programs that look like French!
< 1363963145 628014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no, we /do/ have minimal standards
< 1363963253 387016 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-1366 ++(+)*7>>-[+].<+(++(+)*7>>-[+].<)*7>>-[++(+)*7>>-[+].<].<++(++(+)*7>>-[+].<+(++(+)*7>>-[+].<)*7>>-[++(+)*7>>-[+].<].<++)*7>>-[++(+)*7>>-[+].<+(++(+)*7>>-[+].<)*7>>-[++(+)*7>>-[+].<].<++].<+
< 1363963256 568392 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-1366: 7.6
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< 1363963740 966832 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can somebody, lke.
< 1363963741 833161 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :like*
< 1363963750 806318 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :analyze how that actually works :p
< 1363963765 616398 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, rather.
< 1363963771 31202 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :What exactly it does
< 1363963979 902126 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do your own dirty work!
< 1363964221 62715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like it's mostly but not quite a size 1 offset clear leaving a size 9 trail on the cell before the cell it clears
< 1363964229 938165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, order 1 offset clear
< 1363964231 446574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two-cycle
< 1363964261 96493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-1366-golfed ((+)*9>>-[+]<)*-1
< 1363964264 478074 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_generation-1366-golfed: 9.7
< 1363964270 347502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-1366-golfed <
< 1363964274 47363 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for ais523_generation-1366-golfed: 0.0
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< 1363964805 856660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm just going to upgrade MW later
< 1363964807 878752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hope for the best
< 1363965173 304140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever the slacker
< 1363965211 907110 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363965246 847352 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ahaha!
< 1363965256 512476 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese graphics card problem is over!
< 1363965258 614747 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for now)
< 1363965936 579145 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, apparently Hexham wants to be the Barcelona of the north
< 1363965954 427266 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I for one am against splitting from Spain
< 1363966956 228478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, the phd thesis group committee people have decided that I'm doing well enough to not be thrown out of the university for another 8 months
< 1363967001 767927 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd throw ais523 out of a university
< 1363967003 878087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, for fun
< 1363967010 807098 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I've acheived my goal
< 1363967021 318617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of getting first post on a Slashdot story /and/ having it moderated up to +5
< 1363967028 396696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, i guess athens was already taken
< 1363967039 938718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= it's an actually useful first post, rather than just a blatant "first post" post)
< 1363967120 938234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: um looks like +4 to me!!
< 1363967157 559007 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's listed as 4 on my userpage because that doesn't include karma bonuses
< 1363967166 400391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 5 on the story page because that does
< 1363967188 307777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :people won't mod something up that appears to be at 5, even though it's not technically a no-op (because it's visible on the userpage)
< 1363967252 518162 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually complained to the slashdot admins about that, in that slashdot allows a post to be at 6 and merely displays it as 5
< 1363967262 648196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they either didn't understand or didn't care
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< 1363968985 498703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or they didn't understand and didn't care.
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< 1363969915 479353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that person is a troll.
< 1363969933 59515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in
< 1363969935 306530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:46:55 -!- zedchelon [zedchelon@ip24-251-168-64.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #haskell
< 1363969938 519940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:47:14 <zedchelon> Before I get started in here, I would like to point something out..
< 1363969941 529366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:47:15 <zedchelon> http://www.krioma.net/articles/Bridge%20Theory/Einstein%20Rosen%20Bridge.htm <- this is just as much math as geometric polyhedra are.
< 1363969944 518980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:48:16 <zedchelon> I'm sorry if you are too stubbon to know the difference.
< 1363969947 28436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:48:50 <zedchelon> And won't admit that 50% of the axioms mathematics has been based on were proven wrong, then corrected.
< 1363969950 79521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:49:55 <zedchelon> And I am really sorry you tried so hard to learn mathematics, that you no longer comprhend simple English or any other language.
< 1363969952 969984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:50:10 <glguy> zedchelon: this might be the wrong channel fo ryou
< 1363969955 514908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :15:50:15 <zedchelon> I am really sorry that you get emotional and can't control it either for that matter.
< 1363969958 489903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(from /lastlog zedchelon; some lines may be omitted)
< 1363970044 690966 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't prove an axiom wrong
< 1363970048 159373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only inconsistent with other axioms
< 1363970072 759107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks.
< 1363970127 462305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AXIOM X: An axiom which mentions other axioms is wrong.
< 1363970187 669523 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I think that would be better if it said references rather than mentions
< 1363970189 558652 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AXIOM X: The body spray for real men.
< 1363970503 988605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: also, e.g. false is a wrong axiom
< 1363970510 129670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's inconsistent even without any other axioms
< 1363970523 238549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm
< 1363970538 786138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically speaking that's more of an argument than a proof
< 1363970549 28953 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vaguely wonders if you can have a logic where false is an axiom, and true is unprovable
< 1363970569 169135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I guess I mean p & ~p is inconsistent
< 1363970577 827726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you don't necessarily have principle of explosion
< 1363970582 891517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... wait
< 1363970585 890727 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :paraconsistent logics have p & ~p
< 1363970590 889026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, never mind
< 1363970717 141312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Sure, by calling true "false" and false "true".
< 1363970742 108081 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well it'd depend on the other axioms
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< 1363971615 687378 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.doxdesk.com/img/updates/20091116-so-large.gif StackOverflow in a nutshell.
< 1363971663 929901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some tags are better than others
< 1363971668 379583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not as better as they should be :(
< 1363971738 301791 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the "related" section on this X-D
< 1363971774 594917 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"where are my legs?"
< 1363971829 965954 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love "Is there a jQuery plugin for making an HTML page appear in the browser?"
< 1363971967 812121 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, you have to do that manually.
< 1363972042 979999 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I'm having trouble working out what they meant by that question
< 1363972093 46247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, opening a browser window containing an HTML page? changing the currently displayed page to match some HTML? writing a page that will display given HTML when it loads? (that last one is pretty easy even without jQuery)
< 1363972132 343444 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure if calling bluff or not getting joke X-D
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< 1363972336 331798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: I know you were trying to make a joke, but I'm not sure it's warranted given the situation
< 1363972350 60400 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523...
< 1363972356 600055 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question's worded badly enough that they may not be asking for something trivial after all
< 1363972378 443642 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, not getting the joke, got it X-D
< 1363972429 759355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: did you forget ais523 doesn't click on links
< 1363972441 530146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, does it require the link to be clicked?
< 1363972444 900904 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohhhhhhhhh, that would be an explanation if that's the case X-D
< 1363972447 749423 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if it does, I wouldn't get it
< 1363972450 443078 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it rllly dos
< 1363972463 507538 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke mockup of a SO question X-D
< 1363972479 489720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a .gif?
< 1363972521 212135 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, don't ask me why this person thought .gif was a good idea X-D
< 1363972532 666924 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh, I need to stop using ex-hyphen-dee.
< 1363972543 203013 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's becoming my new colon-p.
< 1363972556 760624 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :X-:DP
< 1363972567 99042 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is declared, from this day forth, I shall not use that smiley et cetera et cetera.
< 1363972575 469693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, interesting new language: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Abcdefq
< 1363972581 29421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "new"?
< 1363972593 750737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :new to me, anyway!!
< 1363972603 755030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf
< 1363972608 162307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that link redirects to Gregor's link
< 1363972610 849851 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow
< 1363972619 201459 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a mode of Konversation brokenness I haven't yet discovered?
< 1363972633 59809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, works for me now
< 1363972634 272627 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :retyping the link I get a blank page
< 1363972640 468149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a momentary glitch, perhaps?
< 1363972643 11617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, rather, a nonexistent page
< 1363972649 611005 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this sorcery
< 1363972662 839955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I suspect it's elliott redirecting on the esolangs server :)
< 1363972674 514268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you!!! that would be *highly* irresponsible of me
< 1363972681 380161 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have captured the headers while it was still up
< 1363972712 109329 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'll have to reconfigure Firefox to disallow esolangs.org to redirect to third-party websites
< 1363972764 694774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that would break at least one thing
< 1363972781 161959 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(http://esolangs.org/files/* links, of which there are several still on the web, IIRC)
< 1363972787 746310 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha
< 1363972793 810473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could add a prompt
< 1363972798 197787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have it prompt on every cookie
< 1363972818 40017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't you just add a prompt for every redirect, if you can handle that kind of torture already?
< 1363972830 442492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was considering it
< 1363972845 449722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if Firefox has an option to prompt on redirects, or if I'd have to write an extension
< 1363972850 971435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling I know why you don't like using the web
< 1363972853 530493 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cookies thing isn't so bad because it has an always allow/always deny
< 1363972870 489868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not because of that; I do get annoyed by pages that try to set cookies on every keypress
< 1363972874 50566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'd likely get annoyed by them anyway
< 1363972958 992025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess alternatively I could set the browser to not load images
< 1363972970 492188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that actually seems like a reasonable idea, although it'd need a whitelist/blacklist too
< 1363972991 230882 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you tolerate the web without whitelists/blacklists for everything?
< 1363973001 689667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note to self: I can get ais523 to do increasingly unreasonable things by messing with esolangs.org's nginx configuration
< 1363973015 232788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not if you want me to continue administering esolangs.org
< 1363973029 990144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you threatening to quit because I set up a stupid redirect for five seconds :P
< 1363973056 371475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I'm threatening to quit if you do it consistently :)
< 1363973070 364652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, you probably /could/ have convinced me it was a Konversation bug if only there was an actual page there
< 1363973102 1499 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I didn't want to disturb a link with an actual esolang
< 1363973106 371489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or write a new esolang for the purpose
< 1363973115 20500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I didn't actually look at the resulting redirected page for more than a couple of seconds
< 1363973116 380934 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I suspected you'd report it
< 1363973126 513240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only if I could figure out wtf caused it
< 1363973131 972342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would admittedly be funny, but you'd probably get mad if I later revealed the truth
< 1363973144 873843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as would the Konversation devs
< 1363973160 363373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, the colors-in-links bug was fixed the day I reported it
< 1363973179 790653 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so `relcome actually lead to a concrete reduction in Konversation's bugginess
< 1363973228 702007 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what's wrong with the web?
< 1363973235 110652 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(apart from the lack of porn)
< 1363973269 719945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: basically the huge amount of extra stuff that's there when you're just trying to get some information
< 1363973296 68796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one thing, unless you know the other end, you can't know whether the page you're aiming for is even going to have the information you want
< 1363973305 229899 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :significantly less than if you go to the library
< 1363973337 550712 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched someone trying to search for something on Google recently; they clicked the first result (a stackoverflow link), and didn't notice the question was a different question than the one they wanted to know the answer to (and the answer to their question was in one of the non-accepted answers as an aside)
< 1363973355 411721 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's all the HTML and images and so on that's around what you're looking for
< 1363973361 379568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the pages aren't necessarily consistent from one view to the next
< 1363973397 679833 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when I'm using the web, either I go directly to a page which I already know is likely to have what I'm looking for
< 1363973418 580629 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or I ask around beforehand to try to establish what the appropriate page is
< 1363973433 718734 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i do is i write stuff on google and in 5 seconds i have everything i need
< 1363973435 180639 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is kind-of why I'm so upset at an esolangs.org/wiki/ link not going to MediaWiki
< 1363973451 751017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it betrays my trust that what I'll find at the other end of the link is what I'm accepting
< 1363973456 439938 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes me consider the site unreliable
< 1363973463 582026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: google doesn't work like that
< 1363973468 238661 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :does
< 1363973473 110197 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives you a page that approximately matches some of your search terms
< 1363973480 731361 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may or may not have anything to do with what you're looking for
< 1363973503 289941 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does that differ from asking a person
< 1363973523 361126 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :except for being much faster
< 1363973533 327238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: here's one for you: locate the most recent c-intercal release online
< 1363973537 921694 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving
< 1363973545 169545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a fast way to solve this problem, and a slow way
< 1363973565 373533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah if i need something that 5 people know about and i know one of them, then yeah, google isn't the way.
< 1363973586 41636 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially because AFAIK you can't find the answer via Google unless you think of searching alt.lang.intercal
< 1363973594 220369 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if i need something that 5 people know about and i don't happen to know one of them (which happens about daily), google is the *only* solution.
< 1363973622 960290 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah google won't tell you how thick my fingers are either.
< 1363973626 53079 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :goog point.
< 1363973626 649828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most of those "I need something" requests, I'd automatically go to Wikipedia first
< 1363973669 540643 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that's generally more than "5 people know about", but that's reasonable given that if only 5 people know about something and it's not related to esolangs or nomic or NetHack variant development or some similarly narrow field, I'm probably not interested in it either
< 1363973673 69753 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 0.-2.0.29?
< 1363973690 551114 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a guy asks a prof, "is there an unambiguous tree-adjoining grammar whose language is inherently ambiguous context-free" and i suggest one. the prof says he wants to cite me in his upcoming textbook. asks me my year of birth and military rank.
< 1363973691 380570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: there's a newer version
< 1363973694 743563 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :russians, ay?
< 1363973704 569912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: apparently not new enough, since not even the AUR package has it
< 1363973725 921205 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I did a bad job of publicising it, really
< 1363973736 530585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was the announcement on alt.lang.intercal, and that's about it
< 1363973749 883806 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in theoretical computer science, everything is known by about 5 people.
< 1363973764 129587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: oh, but result #1 was esr's intercal site
< 1363973766 780805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which links to NEWS.html
< 1363973769 872881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which says 0.29
< 1363973774 342587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I googled "latest c-intercal")
< 1363973785 440124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ooh, I checked the top few Google results to make sure there wasn't anything useful
< 1363973786 467217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also, that would be the first link I'd click if I didn't already know about C-INTERCAL's history
< 1363973790 616943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but missed that the NEWS.html auto-updated
< 1363973809 149906 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
< 1363973809 395530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it seems that what you have managed to deduce is only that *you* are bad at using Google to find information
< 1363973835 549648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's not surprising, given that it's blocked in the browser and I don't have much practice with it
< 1363973844 290001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do very occasionally use duckduckgo
< 1363973863 60066 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's the greatest thing in the universe
< 1363973865 52188 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are missing out
< 1363973869 185204 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's smarter than you.
< 1363973873 490114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but visiting a site when I have no idea about what it's like in advance is ridiculous
< 1363973878 301223 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :smarter than anyone
< 1363973892 582611 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is that ridiculous
< 1363973907 564991 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have some sort of principle of not finding out about new things?
< 1363973941 419703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what percentage of web pages contain malware (including in adverts)
< 1363973954 733227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks it up on Wikipedia
< 1363973960 89727 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's malware?
< 1363973960 389977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mythical Linux-targetting malware?
< 1363973974 261059 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a windows user, i've never experienced this
< 1363974005 761672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well even flashing images are malware to some extent
< 1363974051 13240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: even a site with a black background can be painful if I'm not warned in advance
< 1363974063 741136 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a while I genuinely seriously disabled colors on webpages
< 1363974064 483156 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D
< 1363974069 750566 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it ended up more trouble than it was worth
< 1363974070 541554 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to do that
< 1363974077 942090 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :forced everything white on black
< 1363974089 946496 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was more worth than trouble
< 1363974109 700583 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm the anti ais
< 1363974168 989798 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I should try again
< 1363974174 362015 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1363974177 341467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main problem was that it had a tendency to break websites
< 1363974180 44228 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :white background sucks ass
< 1363974195 683187 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: so basically, I go on the basis that most websites have light-colored backgrounds
< 1363974205 390489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I set the window manager to display the browser in inverse video
< 1363974212 516338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that works in most cases, while still letting me tell colors apart
< 1363974220 472686 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you prefer white on black?
< 1363974226 335222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if I find a page with a dark background, suddenly my eyes hurt
< 1363974229 882047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: at night I do
< 1363974233 17884 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool
< 1363974236 881622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to keep the light volume from the screen down
< 1363974238 484984 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :we not so diff after all
< 1363974280 852060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nice thing about that is it also works on images
< 1363974311 580753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which typically have the same color balance
< 1363974324 851079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think that at this point, elliott has given up reading the conversation in disbelief)
< 1363974350 542830 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott once made me a white on black theme for windows
< 1363974352 383878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I have yet to summon the willpower
< 1363974443 970326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: has it not crossed your mind that sometimes information on the Internet is wrong (mostly accidentally)?
< 1363974484 930585 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out
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< 1363974498 160260 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in math stuff, that doesn't really matter at least
< 1363974507 7695 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and otherwise, so what, people can be wrong too
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< 1363974527 529829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: happily I *have* found the willpower to not get involved in it again
< 1363974546 255469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :POLL: How do you pronounce the last four letters of "counterfeit"?
< 1363974551 743196 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fit
< 1363974553 393139 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "fit"
< 1363974580 151311 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ cheated off me
< 1363974588 493195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You both cheated off elliott.
< 1363974595 511062 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Counterfet
< 1363974597 992082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: no, it just took a little longer for me to type
< 1363974617 342132 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :says mr cheatypants
< 1363974624 339798 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coun-turft
< 1363974738 420690 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :After getting glasses, I decided to get a copy of my actual prescription. When all of the numbers on your optical prescription have magnitude less than 1, you probably don't REALLY need glasses.
< 1363974795 422076 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get why people get glasses, why not just, you know, *see well*?
< 1363974795 999887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: apparently with some sort of eye imperfections, wearing glasses can help prevent them getting worse
< 1363974805 513382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the eye tries to correct over time but corrects in the wrong direction
< 1363974815 580444 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they stay steady if you're using glasses to correct it
< 1363974844 410868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you wear superglasses that make your eye correct in the right direction?
< 1363974851 752063 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's more-or-less what the optometrist suggested. I get really bad eyestrain, and she said that if I get glasses to do a minor correction in situations that cause eyestrain, my eyes won't get worse as fast.
< 1363974862 374196 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: WHOAAAAAAAA
< 1363974876 536909 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no, they tried that for years before realising it didn't work
< 1363974915 134948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I see _The Coast of Utopia_?
< 1363974928 740701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular _Shipwreck_ and _Voyage_.
< 1363975685 980880 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
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< 1363976709 92549 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric
< 1363977093 202259 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363977303 754934 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.149.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what the average life of an email address is...
< 1363977323 707206 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363977362 71884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: does the address have to be used by a human? that'd increase it quite a lot
< 1363977374 72862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine the vast proportion of email addresses are temporary creations by spambots
< 1363977382 167719 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.149.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I emailed 28 people using an address from 10 years ago. 24 have bounced.
< 1363977415 391310 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.149.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to contact a few old Core War players for my history thing :-)
< 1363977687 734272 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363977715 820621 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know better what thing would need to be done to make Verilog programs to work on a different FPGA?
< 1363977717 621120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome geekychair
< 1363977724 340883 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
< 1363977726 680532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: important question: are you a chair irl
< 1363977745 387003 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks yep
< 1363977771 621066 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all day
< 1363977775 810463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know.
< 1363977779 579201 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :some people are only chairs after 7 pm
< 1363977794 166475 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you like, a spinny chair or the kind that just sits boringly in place
< 1363977822 170798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow Fiora don't be mean to chairs just because they don't move
< 1363977824 103776 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine drives
< 1363977837 721861 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed still chairs are an important part of the chair ecosystems.
< 1363977844 728186 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/f4f5780fa5d95698d24ee91c0998a58c/tumblr_mg8p8yNukO1r2yrc9o1_250.gif that said
< 1363977846 975998 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the ones that don't move are boring and you can't put them at the right height!
< 1363977859 911334 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like, stuff
< 1363977862 171367 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um they're at the right height for very special people (people who are the same height as them)
< 1363977862 860005 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know where I'm going with this
< 1363977865 660952 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like finding a soulmate
< 1363977873 271705 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like heightism fiora
< 1363977874 321021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't get that kind of connection from an adjustable chair!!
< 1363977897 50300 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am actually in tears laughing)
< 1363977907 381005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip
< 1363977929 263608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok Fiora. somewhere out there is a chair who will comfort you.
< 1363977934 907121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, you managed to go for that long making names based on someone's nick? for shame
< 1363977939 592781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, jokes
< 1363977941 670526 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is tired
< 1363977976 478145 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: elliott is talented
< 1363977986 271635 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he should be the chair of the joke committee
< 1363977986 543165 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any Washingtonians?
< 1363977992 223010 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you not been here while i've been a bicycle (i am always a bicycle)
< 1363977994 864757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's Lymia's evolver getting on?
< 1363977995 378877 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I worry that this particular one is on its last legs
< 1363978001 82667 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, yes, i'm some kind of washingSTONian
< 1363978012 873559 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sometimes you're a Bike........ or a Bicyclidine........................................................
< 1363978024 461403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: mostly we talk about entire countries rather than individual states
< 1363978025 981084 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: unfortunately oerjan rules the joke committee with an iron fist.
< 1363978026 582754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: I am in WA but only until next week.
< 1363978029 172210 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except Hexham)
< 1363978033 917768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he lost his regular fist in a tragic pun accident)
< 1363978039 904485 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you be a chair after 7 PM? Is that your job?
< 1363978056 611292 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's...
< 1363978057 72005 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people have to take the night shift, yes.
< 1363978057 903573 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... ironic
< 1363978061 892563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck
< 1363978069 982064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PART #esoteric :"no"
< 1363978072 35527 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION chokes on breakfast
< 1363978085 137001 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I live in weird Olympia.
< 1363978089 354740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<    I scared him off
< 1363978095 571774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's pretty impressive :)
< 1363978106 874270 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did you eat for breakfast? Tea of choking?
< 1363978108 612071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people aren't used to /good/ puns, they happen so rarely
< 1363978154 151004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363978154 359708 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? people live in olympia?
< 1363978154 364383 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `compose' failed with: Unknown command: ""
< 1363978154 748514 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that one was pretty awful though <.<
< 1363978159 211697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I can't live
< 1363978159 660987 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks lambdabot.
< 1363978162 301848 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need #esoteric on window 2
< 1363978167 380801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or all my window numbering gets messed up
< 1363978168 374173 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Tea's gross. Milk of choking.
< 1363978175 891812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have a window reorder command?
< 1363978179 111513 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I The beauty of the pun is in the Oy of the beholder.
< 1363978183 101050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's alt-shift-left/alt-shift-right in Konversatoin
< 1363978185 620897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Konversation
< 1363978187 781600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: /win move
< 1363978189 241779 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry elliott :<
< 1363978195 821121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but moving another window to 2 is more work than just joining #esoteric
< 1363978209 730467 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also just part without closing the window
< 1363978210 331031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see
< 1363978219 971302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you were complaining that you didn't have it in the right place after rejoining
< 1363978221 261347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it's ok but I would watch out for the joke committee in future if I were you
< 1363978227 371642 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than you didn't want to be here
< 1363978227 912029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have friends in high places
< 1363978233 271152 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they fall down
< 1363978239 11616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we try to be ontopic with new people around, at least?
< 1363978241 678277 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they really in high places or are they just on high chairs
< 1363978241 886294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that impossible?
< 1363978249 911855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What's the topic?
< 1363978253 286470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You can try, but sometimes it is impossible.
< 1363978260 2090 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, geekychair. Present your brainfuck derivative.
< 1363978266 801876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: -!- Topic for #esoteric: The harmonic mean welcoming channel on Freenode. You have been warned. | <Taneb> #esoteric is supposed to be about esoteric programming languages, but is  really a couple of dozen people being weird | Newsflash: fungot has been writing spam for money. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/
< 1363978267 683739 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: they should point out that my flatmate was 24 or so at source codes of programs
< 1363978269 521732 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I mentioned this to you earlier
< 1363978275 756344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: looks like we're acting in accordance of the second clause of the topic right now
< 1363978280 136241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the /topic is more meaningful than normal
< 1363978283 666668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even people with esolang don't always brainfuck derivatives, at least!
< 1363978297 292348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I'm going to agree with zzo38 on this
< 1363978297 891804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The meaningful part is the last part.
< 1363978303 509428 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection
< 1363978308 192475 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: about the logs? or about fungot?
< 1363978308 491480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :has fungot actually made money from spam?
< 1363978308 928378 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: welcome back rotty, you have
< 1363978309 137178 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i would use something like s3, if you want
< 1363978322 854721 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I most certainly have not
< 1363978323 227448 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: a strong typed language is because the syntax is defined in.
< 1363978330 261628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes I mean the last part, which is the URL of logs.
< 1363978351 713052 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they're in high places because they're tall
< 1363978357 73823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the logs are a good way to check what the topic is, if you're willing to spend a lot of time reading them
< 1363978359 816838 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so elliott has an army of tall people
< 1363978384 692372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: now you're disclosing our trade secrets?
< 1363978395 131694 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe they're in high places because elliott left adjoint somewhere.
< 1363978396 612954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd better watch out!!!!
< 1363978400 892506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ...
< 1363978421 633299 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: secret?
< 1363978424 545915 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks around the room
< 1363978430 785831 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like an army of tall people ot me
< 1363978431 239787 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lost
< 1363978431 522753 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: Well, do you like esoteric programming, or any of the other stuff we do in here such as mathematics and other strange things?
< 1363978432 752820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no everybody stop. I need a second to cope with shachaf.
< 1363978443 132220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: second as in time, or a second person?
< 1363978443 586680 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: sorry.  this place kind of gets really silly sometimes
< 1363978457 426659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least you should learn esoteric programming if you are in this channel, even if you have other stuff to discuss instead. It can help, to understand, in order to help this channel.
< 1363978460 70014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Only when you're around.
< 1363978460 279103 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363978461 182046 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: the channel's basically about esoteric programming languages, brainfuck and underload and the like
< 1363978466 444196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the time it talks about other things though
< 1363978466 959702 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not true >_<
< 1363978469 779371 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fractals, laely
< 1363978484 717340 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lately
< 1363978484 926664 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, that seems a pretty baseless accusation out of nowhere
< 1363978485 639180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: We're boringly on-topic when you leave.
< 1363978487 319765 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have evidence?
< 1363978494 581589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: hmm
< 1363978501 866387 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if fractals are TC, and what that would mean
< 1363978505 221649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, #esoteric only exists while Fiora is in it. we are a figment of her imagination.
< 1363978523 679708 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: pretty sure compositions of analytic functions could be TC easily, at least
< 1363978524 916611 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: but my client idles in here... so I can see your silliness when I'm gone!
< 1363978529 27640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you really believe ais523 is a real person?
< 1363978535 501471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: What fractals? Do you have anything to say about them more specifically, or question/comment, etc?
< 1363978557 248880 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to learn more
< 1363978570 531224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No, it's obviously a lie, hinting toward elliott's interpretation of the world.
< 1363978593 24130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's just not really helping discussion
< 1363978603 62244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose.
< 1363978605 560165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomly insisting on doing things with the bot, then insulting people, isn't really productive
< 1363978610 41511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(those are at separate times)
< 1363978618 860465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that was insulting?
< 1363978635 163297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, you basically accused Fiora of singlehandedly ruining the channel
< 1363978643 391274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What?
< 1363978647 81766 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;-;
< 1363978651 812462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: Is there a specific fractal you have things to write about it?
< 1363978652 471836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"really silly" is not a negative attribute of the channel!
< 1363978671 251528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: basically the idea is that fractals are generated from reasonably simple rules, which give self-similarity
< 1363978672 231490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think Fiora meant it as such and I certainly didn't.
< 1363978689 61772 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a subset of the fractal is similar (or identical) to a scaled-down version of the entire fractal
< 1363978736 954623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, one of my favourite things to do with fractals is to do the equations with mere double-precision floating point numbers
< 1363978744 571807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then zoom in on the rounding errors
< 1363978752 12845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they often look like distorted versions of the originals
< 1363978761 635293 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractal usually means non-integral hausdorff dimension, self-similar is what the layman's fractals are called.
< 1363978790 494167 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: you can get fractals which have an integer dimension, just the wrong integer
< 1363978792 960601 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Julia set has a hausdorff dimension of 2 though right?
< 1363978798 22303 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm awaiting hate mail on my pro-animal testing tumblr post.
< 1363978829 624880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok
< 1363978839 643628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for letting us know
< 1363978844 591734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I didn't know that but I can believe it
< 1363978867 681376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: I think part of the problem in the whole animal testing debate is a failure to define the problem
< 1363978867 981588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: Well, I am not going to send you any mail, but if you say, animal testing, you must say, what are you testing? This is an important question too.
< 1363978905 232994 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://geekychair.tumblr.com/
< 1363978914 175401 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think animal testing is cruel
< 1363978918 932655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you just join an esolangs channel to promote your blog
< 1363978921 168283 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we already subject humans to so many tests throughout school
< 1363978929 312224 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we need to make animals take standardized tests too?
< 1363978930 927600 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1363978932 861444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Yes, I think so too. However it isn't that simple!
< 1363978942 441303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as in, animal testing is cruel)
< 1363978948 839772 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, gosh.  should mice have to sit through an SAT?  that's mean!
< 1363978960 546853 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least give them cheese!
< 1363978963 656382 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there julia sets for pretty much all complex functions and dimensions vary
< 1363978978 680000 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Horrible score
< 1363978999 42453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I think the normal definition of "julia set" is the one constructed from a point in the mandelbrot set
< 1363978999 302400 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not believe products intended for humans should be tested on animals, nor should products intended for men be tested on women.
< 1363979034 81533 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1363979035 891891 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e. cruelty is not my main objection)
< 1363979037 582516 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wikipedia lists 1.0812
< 1363979040 983362 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the dimension
< 1363979049 753487 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that rounds up to 2
< 1363979051 742225 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: now that you put it that way i'm realizing the standard classical conditioning procedure is weirdly like a standardized test...
< 1363979099 882684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I suppose some kinds of tests are.
< 1363979176 191664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, regardless of whether or not you agree with me, I do believe in freedom of speech and think you should write what you want to write even if everyone hates it, but other people should be allowed to reply, too. I do not intend to stop you from writing such things.
< 1363979186 264172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sorry I was just being incredibly silly <.<
< 1363979195 113040 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you
< 1363979213 238444 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::<
< 1363979216 167335 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lk
< 1363979222 391763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: "lk"?
< 1363979236 722053 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry meant to say
< 1363979239 452110 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
< 1363979311 243797 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok.
< 1363979777 451863 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have asked here before, about the product of the exponents of a polynomial. This is because I was trying to figure out the cardinality of types having forall, such as (forall x. f x -> x)
< 1363979796 233578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: forall corresponds to product
< 1363979828 711874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a dependently typed language, |forall (x:A), B x| = product (x in A) |B x|
< 1363979845 35549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(similarly |exists (x:A), B x| = sum (x in A) |B x|)
< 1363979862 861821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and (A -> B) is just (forall (_:A), B))
< 1363979887 856367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But what in Haskell?
< 1363979915 371878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question.
< 1363979954 859955 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I'm trying to work out what would it be like inside a warp bubble; I'm working on a novel and want a more realistic feel.
< 1363979989 722415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: Good question; I don't know either. What novel is that?
< 1363980050 945876 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair turns out to be a time-displaced anderson
< 1363980073 384900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if anyone would really know the answer to your question.
< 1363980077 685920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome geekychair
< 1363980081 924614 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0510g14eeky08chair: Welc08ome to06 the int07ernational hu09b02 for 03esoter11i07c06 p04rogram09m12ing language03 desig08n and d07eployment! F04or more inform07ation11,08 c09heck out ou12r wiki14: http://esol08angs.10org/wiki/Main_Page. (For th07e ot03her kind o10f esoteri12ca, try #esoteric on irc.dal.ne04t.)11
< 1363980092 133806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: the problem with warp bubbles is that they can't stop (at least without destroying large swatches of the universe in front of them, and probably not even then either)
< 1363980126 913933 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they also need exotic matter, right?
< 1363980166 492451 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure on the details
< 1363980186 413241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you're moving faster than light, you have no way of controlling the front of your spaceship without sending information faster than light
< 1363980186 624838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :geekychair: something like this, I imagine: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPoqNeR3_UA
< 1363980197 698995 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but appears less we thought.
< 1363980248 137921 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Engage!
< 1363980290 748875 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it, from jupiters-mass of exotic matter down to merely a tonne or so?
< 1363980309 861989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like this word "tonne"
< 1363980335 407237 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes
< 1363980415 454834 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume ftl is basically like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Imbxqv_5TJU
< 1363980429 842171 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at LEAST scored by ligeti.
< 1363980451 392431 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, have good weekend
< 1363980499 15850 :geekychair!~geekychai@c-67-170-93-196.hsd1.wa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric
< 1363980518 482756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :o
< 1363980519 522807 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :k
< 1363980543 242681 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ay!
< 1363980763 12537 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hunch is the view from inside an alcubierre bubble just looks black...
< 1363980913 387653 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably see the stuff in front of you at least?
< 1363980923 592118 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk
< 1363980928 554895 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with loads of relativistic beaming maybe
< 1363980930 643354 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't know if it would be visible clearly though
< 1363980944 73385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that bubble of highly distorted space around you
< 1363980969 431642 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to me it might look like differently somewhat, since the space is different, it moves different, the geometry is different, so I don't think it would resemble ordinary spacetime.
< 1363980980 285228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't really know.
< 1363981101 353610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: they left
< 1363981111 122693 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed
< 1363981155 124124 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363981204 447640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I cannot find the information of the Verilog simulation formats.
< 1363981327 542478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :
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< 1363982654 1098 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded
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< 1363983229 995339 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Client Quit
< 1363983869 576171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admiral oklopol: good luck on getting cited
< 1363984271 196329 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363984479 196055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see from the logs there has been some confusion about the joke committee, but i cannot be bothered to iron it out.
< 1363984602 915357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<geekychair> I live in weird Olympia. <-- wait, i thought US state capitals were generally too obscure to have people living in them.
< 1363984639 405583 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on
< 1363984652 167325 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone who lives i Olympia
< 1363984664 759896 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+n
< 1363984671 685815 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i know! it's weird.
< 1363984721 296831 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if this continues, soon people will be saying canadian state capitals exist too!
< 1363984754 94737 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be really weird considering canada doesn't even have states
< 1363984769 16011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also because canada doesn't exist?
< 1363984784 396733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they're called provinces
< 1363984786 85001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ummmmm it exists more than england........
< 1363984788 325165 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. we must work triple hard to prevent this eventuality
< 1363984788 625192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist
< 1363984791 316874 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/olist: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/olist: cannot execute: Permission denied
< 1363984797 775524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/*list
< 1363984801 336771 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist
< 1363984801 544827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1363984809 515334 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/olist: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/olist: cannot execute: Permission denied
< 1363984813 762432 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output.
< 1363984814 756696 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what a list it is
< 1363984816 157288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist
< 1363984818 435238 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo
< 1363984818 651413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if canada doesn't have states, does that make it functional?
< 1363984841 645825 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(assuming it exists at all)
< 1363984850 855627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :canada is imperative
< 1363984882 96582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think canada is logical.  more than the us, anyway.
< 1363984888 399158 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's imperative that Canada.
< 1363985000 987601 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm beginning to get nervous/excited/something
< 1363985136 329940 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db432e6.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363985189 596548 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: rebooting
< 1363985304 106785 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1363985419 137686 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still need to get all my data off the busted HD at some point
< 1363985427 725312 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many years ago did it break, I forget
< 1363985470 636542 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363985603 723117 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thachaf
< 1363986090 740258 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric
< 1363986294 796590 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.149.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I managed to get data off a HDD from a computer that died in 2001.  I still need to get data off the one which died in 1998 though :-(
< 1363986360 208998 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that gives me hope
< 1363986380 945827 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs dd if
< 1363986441 6215 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.17360
< 1363986592 224739 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is lupu511
< 1363986622 91359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Puppy Linux
< 1363986631 854902 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can someone teach me some handy Finnish phrases
< 1363986633 315459 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow those are some hella seds
< 1363986647 706668 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as "Kill the imposter"
< 1363986652 646299 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, I think I remember it breaking
< 1363986657 5314 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... late 2011?
< 1363986665 474235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Ei saa peittää
< 1363986687 737798 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.149.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: "ei se ollut minun vikani" <- it wasn't my fault (always handy)
< 1363986754 635109 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-220-50.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phonetics?
< 1363986806 425183 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.114.149.18 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Taneb: "kukkulalla on liian monta vampyyrit" <- there are too many vampires on the hill (also useful?)
< 1363986908 477443 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk!
< 1363986914 195517 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it on there
< 1363986922 444814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The dd command that I was given to run
< 1363986933 65619 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was relying on the logs to store it for me
< 1363987148 417942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably the logs crashed
< 1363987211 790149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone else see that paste cut off at 2011-12-26.txt:16:02:07: <fizzie> E.g. here's one add if you want to b
< 1363987305 40338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea which one would be the one Sgeo wants
< 1363987308 319533 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe fizzie stopped talking after the b
< 1363987329 50488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_and_ no one ever mentioned dd if again?
< 1363987336 109396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs dd if
< 1363987338 928626 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never ever.
< 1363987353 959968 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4404
< 1363987357 50133 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone said "don't mention dd if!" and we didn't
< 1363987465 341974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that was apparently just temporary
< 1363987511 789128 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363987534 468944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see it
< 1363987535 569705 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1363987728 560382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe search for something related to narrow down the time period?
< 1363987814 753241 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schneier is putting Facebook like buttons on his blog? Is this an April Fools joke?
< 1363987833 790126 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh
< 1363987836 629873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Fiora> the Julia set has a hausdorff dimension of 2 though right? <-- hm independently of the starting parameter?  i recall that it's connected if the starting parameter is in the mandelbrot set and totally disconnected if not, but neither might be connected to hausdorff dimension...
< 1363987841 680779 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe he's phishing  to prove a point?
< 1363987910 269311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks at wikipedia
< 1363987941 589126 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's using a thing that makes you click once to get the real Facebook Like button
< 1363988052 798745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Fiora http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fractals_by_Hausdorff_dimension has at least four different values listed for various Julia sets.  2 is one of them though.
< 1363988053 515602 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted.
< 1363988105 433050 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's actually where I read it from <.<         
< 1363988106 241416 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
< 1363988118 717579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh
< 1363988241 818169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION finds a fifth value
< 1363988272 528502 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :non-integer dimensionality is weird ... I would like to understand it some day
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< 1363988491 118670 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: hausdorff dimension is basically noting that you can calculate the dimension of _nice_ sets such as smooth curves (1) and solid disks or squares (2) by counting how the number of balls/disks needed to cover the set grows as you let the radius of the balls/disks go to 0 - and then noticing that for weirder sets the formula can give a non-integer number.
< 1363988535 338306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. to cover a line segment you need a number of balls inversely proportional to the radius
< 1363988558 338690 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds the same as the lebesque covering dimension
< 1363988568 280688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait am i confusing the dimensions
< 1363988595 908282 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not that I know about that, I'm just reading about that on wikipedia)
< 1363988669 309155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was remembering correctly.  hm what was the lebesgue again...
< 1363988748 832246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right, that's the one we used for the research on topological measures
< 1363988782 698684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: lebesgue covering dimension is purely topological, hausdorff dimension is very much tied to a metric space
< 1363988835 549002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former only takes integer values (or infinity)
< 1363988870 182308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to correct that to natural numbers, but then i remembered that the empty set may be the unique exception naturally considered to have l.c. dimension -1
< 1363988877 13884 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the wikipedia article is trying to explain hausdorff dimension in terms of how it's different from topological dimension
< 1363988958 169471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION spots a typo in that
< 1363988991 58698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :g and q?
< 1363989007 318788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat?
< 1363989014 225241 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that was my typo
< 1363989037 102547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Hausdorff_dimension&diff=546400926&oldid=543562084
< 1363989146 977375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i hardly noticed your q
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< 1363989663 259380 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Fiora> like, gosh.  should mice have to sit through an SAT?  that's mean! <-- yeah how the heck should mice be expected to solve NP-complete problems when humans cannot!
< 1363989704 973313 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*giggle*
< 1363989720 755488 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not all SATs are NP-complete!
< 1363989724 486962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :humans can solve NP-complete problems.......................................
< 1363989747 728318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: [citation needed]
< 1363989768 468762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: They're not very fast at it, if that's what you mean.
< 1363989777 908929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they can certainly solve them.
< 1363989779 848153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, technically _no_ single SAT is NP-complete.
< 1363989797 508085 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in their lifetime
< 1363989810 888870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp: that only gets worse for mice, though
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< 1363989835 277823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe we should do the tests on giant turtles instead
< 1363989860 58324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or parrots
< 1363989870 657857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those grey parrots are fearfully smart
< 1363989900 566015 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.168.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't sudokus np-complete!
< 1363989916 997975 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, but any particular instance might be solvable in polynomial time, I think?
< 1363989927 629205 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it reminds me of one hypothesis about np-completeness
< 1363989929 359354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: not when limited to 9*9, no
< 1363989935 898665 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that too <.<
< 1363989953 79495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: any particular instance is solvable in _constant_ time.
< 1363989957 687065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: plz fix ghc bug
< 1363989958 708347 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is that "np-complete problems exist, but Almost All instances of them are solvable in polynomial time, and generating a Hard instance is actually in and of itself NP-complete"
< 1363989964 131391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://hpaste.org/84523
< 1363989973 878348 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was called "heuristic world" (of the 5 possible worlds the guy was proposing)
< 1363990031 878863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: istr one of the main ways of creating problems that are _frequently_ hard is to convert integer factorization to them - although that's not even known to be NP-complete
< 1363990056 308445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is that actually a bug?
< 1363990071 396460 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's one of those Weird problems, right?
< 1363990077 320652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ones that are in NP but not np-complete
< 1363990077 690864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, RSA works only because you _can_ apparently make always hard problems that way
< 1363990081 82689 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like um... graph whatever 
< 1363990106 258216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well it's not _known_ to be NP-complete.
< 1363990111 19050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph whatever, the hardest known problem in computer science
< 1363990115 114102 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, yeah, that
< 1363990122 190864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: graph isomorphism
< 1363990131 984103 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right!
< 1363990143 313934 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blog.computationalcomplexity.org/2004/06/impagliazzos-five-worlds.html   ah, here it was
< 1363990154 439041 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love isomorphisms of directed graphs with a single node
< 1363990156 318667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy
< 1363990162 339570 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Algorithmica is where P=NP
< 1363990185 741266 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, the one I described was "pessiland"
< 1363990200 977220 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where NP problems aren't just hard on average, but it's hard to construct a hard NP problem, so you can't even make one-way functions
< 1363990227 968085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats shachaf -----###
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< 1363990251 102049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph isomorphism!
< 1363990258 277195 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: except usually graphs don't allow loops...
< 1363990268 507851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what did i do this time.??
< 1363990277 269569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Fiora do you know much about graph isomorphism
< 1363990284 336858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you made a somewhat hidden monoid pun
< 1363990309 952334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aren't graps that don't have loops just trees?
< 1363990322 946305 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no
< 1363990326 948597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trees are also connected
< 1363990336 317347 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, forests then?
< 1363990348 468086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If graphs don't usually allow loops, then why do people always specify directed *acyclicalic* graphs???????
< 1363990350 789218 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess
< 1363990364 216283 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :acyclicalic
< 1363990365 31351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: by "loop" i mean edges from a vertex to itself, you are thinking of cycles
< 1363990366 846031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what's your opinion on acyclic graphs
< 1363990377 348677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh.
< 1363990378 813703 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're "pretty cool, imo"
< 1363990382 277281 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you assume that I think at all
< 1363990383 157501 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cycles are allowed but loops aren't?
< 1363990396 467697 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<Fiora> which is that "np-complete problems exist, but Almost All instances of them are solvable in polynomial time, and generating a Hard instance is actually in and of itself NP-complete"
< 1363990401 317477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that makes no sense
< 1363990407 946899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, you cannot have an edge from a vertex to itself, or more than one between vertices
< 1363990410 88199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quiver_(mathematics)
< 1363990412 207209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better?
< 1363990414 156733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the set of problems countable
< 1363990469 988006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love isomorphisms of quivers with a single node and a distinguished loop
< 1363990472 346548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are so easy
< 1363990480 895335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better?
< 1363990498 117190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's presumably a different meaning of Almost All
< 1363990517 797524 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a WORSE meaning
< 1363990527 451703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought almost all meant 0% of them?
< 1363990576 953793 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, as the problem size increases, there's exponentially fewer hard ones relative to the total number of problems, I guess?
< 1363990588 785773 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if that makes sense >_<
< 1363990597 836004 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably didn't interpret the paper very well
< 1363990615 437347 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ok, the problem is that cannot be a probability in the measure theoretic sense, because the set is countable.  you need to use a different notion of 0%.
< 1363990616 107197 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something like that
< 1363990645 623045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably based on limits of frequency
< 1363990697 429871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if there were only finitely many hard problems
< 1363990729 688535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this isn't unheard of, it's the same kind of thing in the result "two random integers have pi^2/6 chance of being relatively prime."  not sure i remembered that formula right.
< 1363990733 97005 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :)
< 1363990767 447575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you even have two uniformly distributed random integers
< 1363990785 937910 :tromp!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have a factor p with prob 1/p
< 1363990787 849635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: then technically there wouldn't be any hard problems by the simple definitions, since a finite number can always be baked into constants
< 1363990850 492460 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you cannot have a uniform measure-theoretic probability on the integers, period.  although i recall some stuff about ultrafilters...
< 1363990924 152987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :<shachaf> Better? <-- more in some comparative direction, anyway.
< 1363990945 258737 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1363990953 459526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like filters, but... moreso
< 1363991028 98740 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody else will help me to make a Verilog program to run on Csound.
< 1363991028 808400 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like points outside time and space
< 1363991057 898398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :7lastlog fizzie
< 1363991065 57599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is limited support for other devices.
< 1363991065 266659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, isochronous devices such as USB webcams are know not to work."
< 1363991066 109271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :grah
< 1363991066 798124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, I mean, disregard that, folks.
< 1363991108 928301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we cannot disregard the dreaded 7lastlog, fizzie 
< 1363991151 468551 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, this is for an older thing, and I don't know if XenClient Express is just XenClient 2.1 rebranded 
< 1363991159 408242 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I said  <fizzie> E.g. here's one add if you want to buy 15 tons of hard discs.  and did not cut off at b.
< 1363991228 623735 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I was at a dissertation afterparty, I'm not entirely sober, thus the 7lastlog.)
< 1363991293 258097 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"isochronous" sounds like a circuit or algorithm type from star trek, probably somehow related to time travel given the "chronous" part
< 1363991322 848988 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :try isolating the temporal phase variance using an isochronous algorithm
< 1363991329 120550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :isochronous programming languages such as feather and twoducks
< 1363991390 707898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about plesiosynchronous
< 1363991582 917891 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the name is probably half the reason it's not more popular
< 1363991775 447737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn plesio-
< 1363991776 417570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "plesio-".
< 1363991787 857806 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"almost-"
< 1363991822 698378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait plesiosaur means "almost lizard"?
< 1363991834 497871 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it comes from an attempt at rebranding a broken synchronous widget as a working plesiochronous one
< 1363991906 528600 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or "near-" ... could mean "not too long ago lizard", I guess
< 1363992169 9573 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust generation-2184 (((((+)*7+>-+[+])*7+>-+[(+)*7+>-+[+]])*7+>-+[((+)*7+>-+[+])*7+>-+[(+)*7+]])*7+>-+[(((+)*7+>-+[+])*7+>-+[(+)*7+])*7+])*7>-+[((((+)*7+>-+[+])*7+>-+[(+)*7+])*7+)*7+]+
< 1363992180 688594 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_generation-2184: 11.1
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< 1363992408 707690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i don't think the jurassic is usually described as "not too long ago".
< 1363992442 228897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, cretaceous too
< 1363992484 508295 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's assume the name was given by some plesiocontemporary cavemen
< 1363992535 418889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plesioswats olsner -----###
< 1363992548 302675 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :plesiouch
< 1363992575 706581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, no reddit
< 1363993607 674424 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds
< 1363993647 857925 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, don't even joke about that
< 1363993670 868664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what joke
< 1363993678 357722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is serious business
< 1363993706 619348 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's up for me. But I only checked after I said not to joke about that
< 1363993710 387889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, are you saying it's back up
< 1363993733 447894 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust i-don't-know-how-this-does-against-hill (+>(.>[]+((+)*2+)*2+)*2+[.>[(+)*2+]+((+)*2+)*2+])*2+
< 1363993737 698798 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_i-don_t-know-how-this-does-against-hill: 6.9
< 1363993742 845432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i had got a page about scheduled maintenance
< 1363993790 808619 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works now! press F5 until it goes down again
< 1363993813 177934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay!
< 1363993815 708070 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-168-174.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363993816 11080 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-21-162.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds
< 1363993831 888456 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I WANT EAT
< 1363993835 556113 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has however put reddit back in the queue
< 1363993848 578474 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU WANT EAT WHO?
< 1363993875 899376 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no, do we have to teach Sgeo how to eat again?
< 1363993911 317410 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as someone who just ate i can't recommend it
< 1363993979 830702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you want to eat though?
< 1363994000 238164 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: some sources recommend against eating, maybe you should play it safe and starve
< 1363994039 538716 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously bachelor food is the worst jesus
< 1363994075 294212 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you don't like it then why do you make it?
< 1363994151 809001 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, it's up to you to choose a better jesus if you want one ... do you like the jesus in the bible, for example? I hear he's pretty popular
< 1363994225 38216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think sgeo's still feeling crushed after soylent turned out to be rubbish
< 1363994268 309058 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an experiment
< 1363994272 880805 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately it succeeded
< 1363994279 810206 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was it?
< 1363994305 61067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to say what i said the first time that came around
< 1363994306 515 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly salt, i think
< 1363994313 760150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it already exists and they made me drink it for a fucking year you morons
< 1363994314 316654 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been unconscious for a few hours and don't remember much
< 1363994327 484186 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1363994329 321400 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds craptastic
< 1363994350 40823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i had an interesting year or two with the mental health care system
< 1363994362 579948 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you ate something you think was salt and you passed out for a few hours?
< 1363994371 290560 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1363994376 700857 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have no idea what you are talking about
< 1363994386 170654 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the thing Phantom_Hoover is
< 1363994395 866732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you need more sleep
< 1363994401 540276 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soylent? like the food?
< 1363994411 673763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like you dont even read hacker news!!!!!!!!!!!!
< 1363994416 801744 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Post-Food Man: Drink Soylent, and You May Never Have to Eat Again
< 1363994418 770217 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh.
< 1363994419 870371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that.
< 1363994437 430676 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing I find worst about that whole thing is that he chose to call it soylent
< 1363994573 174457 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, unless he made it out of [spoiler] like in the movie, then it would be an awesome name
< 1363994581 112001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seriously
< 1363994583 734649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :marking a spoiler warning
< 1363994585 850387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for soylent green
< 1363994600 250971 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds
< 1363994606 570660 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soylent green is made of rosebud
< 1363994606 779044 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I did, not so sure about the seriously though
< 1363994630 890064 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363994772 821242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a cookbook!
< 1363994777 206614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pizza arrived, they gave the wrong thing
< 1363994778 684947 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::(
< 1363994784 240108 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :soylent green is made out of soya and lentils
< 1363994806 291202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :<elliott> it already exists and they made me drink it for a fucking year you morons
< 1363994823 582091 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay wait okay back up elliott was institutionalized?
< 1363994824 990706 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where can I buy some?
< 1363994831 250680 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that stuff is meant to keep you alive, not healthy
< 1363994835 909899 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :(
< 1363994846 881544 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo are you seriously asking for food you'd eat in a sanitarium
< 1363994903 850508 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be convenient
< 1363994925 981075 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you not heard the stories about hospital food...
< 1363994939 180508 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surely stuff could be added for taste?
< 1363994955 181330 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like, how you think food works
< 1363994959 232692 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in america do you get served 3-course haute cuisine if you can afford healthcare in the first place
< 1363994964 579886 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get a blob of proteins and put condiments on it?
< 1363994972 769310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Bike 
< 1363994980 840659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he just has a blob of carbohydrates
< 1363994994 550193 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuugh that's what i just ate
< 1363995005 10141 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the condiments???
< 1363995010 830634 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it had salt
< 1363995016 50667 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :33% of my daily intake of salt
< 1363995018 920591 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like salt
< 1363995019 951080 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well er
< 1363995021 750940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: not really
< 1363995030 230711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to like garlic salt, but haven't tried it in a while
< 1363995033 680721 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god that's almost a gram of salt.
< 1363995042 361824 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did i eat this
< 1363995046 361308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, remind me, were they feeding you that stuff exclusively
< 1363995046 569563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So garlic salt + liquid food = profit?
< 1363995049 811295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm sure they prescribe it in america
< 1363995057 543053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: no wtf i eat food jesus
< 1363995076 400503 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it is meant to supplement or wahtever but the same company also makes a thing for sole feeding or whatever
< 1363995077 781395 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could just put garlic itself in
< 1363995080 980668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ i don't remember that much any more
< 1363995096 490863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, I could live with a supplement
< 1363995100 3751 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously though, were you institutionalized or something?
< 1363995104 611492 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes he was
< 1363995107 850368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Sgeo
< 1363995110 702433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i wasn't, shut the hell up
< 1363995116 801339 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hospitalized?
< 1363995120 50667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however they did threaten to instutitionalise me if i didn't go voluntarily
< 1363995121 840012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so
< 1363995127 641905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yes but they didn't have to fill out any paperwork"
< 1363995129 822246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, in this episode of voyager they create two holodeck characters and watch them argue
< 1363995133 470696 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but from what i gathered from the soylent comments the live-on-it-alone stuff is for when you are like incapable of eating normal food
< 1363995149 302197 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like the sort of thing they'd force feed you in a sanitarium
< 1363995154 970704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they let me go home on the weekends though!!!1111
< 1363995156 890891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :height of luxury
< 1363995161 684525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So maybe I eat like I normally do, and suppliment is in case that normal food nutrition is out of whack
< 1363995177 101941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which given that I'm me it probably is
< 1363995195 800318 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, also they didn't catch you when you smuggled a phone in! remember their kindness
< 1363995210 700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes
< 1363995215 954684 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if there really was an all-nutrition food. it would come in a lot of handy at the food bank
< 1363995228 510606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i like how that meant i slept from like
< 1363995231 870663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 am to 7 am every day
< 1363995236 250963 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't the Dilburrito supposed to be an all nutrition food?
< 1363995250 11441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dil...burrito
< 1363995259 761233 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scott Adams Foods, Inc.
< 1363995269 442108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear
< 1363995275 729554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's Dilberito
< 1363995277 720613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :allnutrition ~ malnutrition
< 1363995300 460313 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :'all-nutrition' food is not going to work until we have a comprehensive understanding of nutrition
< 1363995320 960307 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, which we don't, but it would still be nice to give a magic pill to the homeless guy that came in yesterday.
< 1363995325 480983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well you can probably do better than the kind of awful diets a lot of people are on
< 1363995348 176206 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of like, well, here are some cans of simulated corn product
< 1363995378 321410 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to be upset that the Dilberito is no longer produced?
< 1363995388 305108 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and milk developed for nuclear apocalypse conditions
< 1363995407 900278 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :be upset at anything you like, man.
< 1363995422 160037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I talked to a dietician some time ago, she suggested frozen dinners
< 1363995433 910034 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If those are actually better for me than what I've been eating...
< 1363995517 850707 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that's not entirely surprising :)
< 1363995542 150013 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell do you eat dude, you're kind of worrying me here
< 1363995551 493712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pasta with cheese, iirc
< 1363995556 881043 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and pop tarts
< 1363995564 30287 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Phantom_Hoover said. 
< 1363995577 536559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pop-tarts thing is breakfast, breakfast does tend to vary based on what's available
< 1363995581 182914 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god no wonder you don't like eating
< 1363995582 149975 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do eat cereal sometimes
< 1363995600 759686 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I have never liked eating
< 1363995621 640057 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating solidified paste is not the solution
< 1363995680 311575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solidified paste?
< 1363995690 774685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not going to find a magic bullet in your battle with evolution
< 1363995707 30049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like those frozen dinner things
< 1363995721 170297 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you should, like, learn how to cook something
< 1363995723 942421 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just need to get a better thermometer before I'm willing to touch one again though
< 1363995729 480931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, I know how to cook pasta!
< 1363995766 230233 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :always a start! but you need more than cheese to go with it
< 1363995788 99589 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how do you use a thermometer with a frozen dinner?
< 1363995791 550677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ketchup with cheese is gross
< 1363995823 485937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, after microwaving the dinner, stick thermometer into meat to be sure that it was cooked properly
< 1363995889 135375 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think frozen dinners are usually precooked, and merely need to be thawed and reheated (but it doesn't hurt to check the instructions)
< 1363995902 250055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist
< 1363995904 949612 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
< 1363995934 681665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excuse me
< 1363995944 160916 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my unilateral list action appears to have been reversed
< 1363996086 450076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url
< 1363996088 603342 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/
< 1363996113 440217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, the ones my dad's been getting have been saying that you need to make sure it reaches a certain temperature for safety
< 1363996171 984722 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just get a cheap cookbook and try something out
< 1363996175 549913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 days ago shachaf fixed it with a new architecture
< 1363996186 960539 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there's something wrong with that whole setup
< 1363996201 442479 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like meatloaf or something! you get to knead it with your hands, it's fun
< 1363996208 271012 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen microwavable food with instructions like that
< 1363996214 256202 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as an added bonus you won't be eating congealed duck feces
< 1363996228 359369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :microwave food is made for idiots, not people who can use a thermometer
< 1363996253 380533 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's just "put this in for two minutes"
< 1363996290 570452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm
< 1363996294 960613 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :could it be made for professional preparers of frozen dinners of some kind?
< 1363996338 530722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like heston blumenthal?
< 1363996349 309668 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sgeo's accidentally getting food for adults
< 1363996413 682663 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably, sterilizing frozen dinners is "hard"
< 1363996417 361000 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"effort"
< 1363996423 898375 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has to be recooked
< 1363996429 910564 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they should already be sterile
< 1363996441 149692 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in someone's 50W oven
< 1363996468 410656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone's angry about brownies http://baconeatingatheistjew.blogspot.com/2010/06/dear-mr-swanson.html
< 1363996489 270295 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't sterilising things these days a matter of putting them in a box and firing gamma rays at them
< 1363996513 800034 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY DOES EVERYONE ON THE PHONE THINK I'M FEMALE
< 1363996528 729981 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why don't you?
< 1363996573 273334 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just speak more mannily
< 1363996573 637388 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps i didn't think you sounded like a woman in your karaoke at all
< 1363996583 971526 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw in a "dame" or a growl every few seconds
< 1363996606 211411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC 4.8 came out, also it's written in C++ now for some reason
< 1363996616 561388 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what
< 1363996619 480504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, what did you do with that karaoke anyway
< 1363996626 910246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :chicken, potato, and corn, period? that's an impressively poor frozen dinner
< 1363996628 391338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'm sure it's somewhere
< 1363996634 526700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think that means "C++ as a better C" and not "we rewrote the entire thing to use smart pointers and RAII"
< 1363996638 46442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good enough sgeo
< 1363996640 799777 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good enough
< 1363996644 860204 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it's supposed to be eaten like that?)
< 1363996647 151332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it on my HD
< 1363996654 740729 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363996656 880713 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard that gcc's style isn't very C anyway
< 1363996676 55597 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :As you know, GCC is written in GCCC.
< 1363996682 843855 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-93.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host
< 1363996682 844007 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric
< 1363996716 821216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has its own garbage collector for one
< 1363996733 249866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what doesn't
< 1363996741 551939 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"he C++ features which are not present in C -- features which are well documented in many books and many web sites -- are not an important issue." well, okay
< 1363996741 760166 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :firefox
< 1363996742 429520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux kernel has a garbage collector for UNIX sockets
< 1363996753 350857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe garbage collection should be an OS provided service
< 1363996767 657234 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh GCC 4.8 has a new flag -Og which means "optimize but not in a way that fucks up debugging"
< 1363996769 859827 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the firefox memory eater problem was due to continually raising the minimum buffer size and never lowering it.
< 1363996773 170269 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: doesn't it just use boehm
< 1363996774 834746 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i heard about -Og
< 1363996775 901492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it should be an @ provided service
< 1363996791 890047 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-130-176.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of curious how many non-numeric -Os there are going to be