00:00:06 -Oshit 00:00:09 okay this rationale page... I can't say I get it 00:00:26 "C++ supports cleaner code in several significant cases. C++ makes it easier to write and enforce cleaner interfaces. C++ never requires uglier code." this just seems very vague? 00:00:32 i guess namespaces at the least must help 00:00:47 C++ never requires uglier code than C 00:00:54 because it supersets C 00:00:58 oh, they converted away gentype though 00:00:59 genius 00:01:07 Let me see if I can find the frozen meal that I liked 00:01:25 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 00:01:31 haha they'd already been doing name mangling 00:03:08 I _think_ this one http://www.healthychoice.com/products/complete-meals/sesame-chicken 00:03:17 I can't find instructions on it though 00:04:10 that has literally half the sodium of that shit i ate, damn 00:04:42 are you just made out of sodium Bike 00:04:52 well i am right now that's for sure 00:05:02 I just want to prove that these require a thermometer 00:05:06 seriously i'm pretty sure that was more seawater than soup 00:05:40 heh, "Asian inspired" 00:05:56 fixed point arithemtic types for AVR 00:05:58 mmm, seawter 00:06:02 seawater 00:06:39 -!- doesthiswork has joined. 00:06:45 Give me some bitter herbs too and I'd be happy 00:06:47 i bet people who eat this stuff regularly get honest to god seawater poisoning 00:07:03 if (__builtin_cpu_supports("popcnt")) { ... } 00:07:16 kmc: ? 00:07:19 What's popcnt? 00:07:20 they added this builtin 00:07:24 are there like only 50 people on freenode? 00:07:27 Sgeo: count the number of set bits 00:07:29 an instruction to get the population count of a register 00:07:43 it's the SECRET NSA INSTRUCTION THE GOVERNMENT DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW ABOUT 00:07:46 Are there as many as 50 people 00:07:51 but actually it counts the number of set bits 00:08:02 I just want to know why kmc was pointing it out 00:08:04 I thought gcc already had a popcnt builtin though. 00:08:21 Bike: are you in fact that salt-eating alien from star trek? 00:08:23 (http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/M-113_creature) 00:08:32 "Water is considered the least toxic chemical compound, with a LD50 of 90 g/kg or more in rats." what a great sentence 00:08:32 Bike: maybe, but this lets you conditionalize 00:08:37 Jafet: every channel I go to there is someone who's name a recognise 00:08:39 my comment is not about popcnt, that's just an example 00:08:52 i was pointing out the new __builtin_cpu_supports 00:08:55 kmc: ohhhhh, you mean the builtin checking is newly available, not popcnt itself 00:09:18 kmc: is it only compile-time check if the target supports it, or can it generate code for checking at runtime? 00:09:43 runtime 00:09:46 I want my fixed pizza 00:09:57 but possibly it will elide if the -march=... argument guarantees it? 00:10:00 > let pizza = const "So good" in fix pizza 00:10:02 "So good" 00:10:08 I didn't know x86 had a query system like that. 00:10:22 cpuid and a giant table 00:10:25 probably 00:10:27 :t ?aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 00:10:29 (?aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa::t) => t 00:10:32 probably :/ 00:10:46 many features have bits in various CPUID results 00:10:49 I WANT MY PIZZa 00:10:51 Or more self modifying code 00:10:53 Stupid caplock 00:11:02 Sgeo: did you send it back because it was the wrong kind? 00:11:04 you can look at the bits of Linux kernel which compute the info that goes int /proc/cpuinfo 00:11:07 olsner, planning to\ 00:11:13 Waiting for them to arrive 00:11:35 wait, how do you know they're going to give you the wrong pizza? 00:12:04 They already gave me the wrong pizza, I'm waiting for them to come back to give me the right one 00:12:04 the SMC on cpuid conditionalizing in linux is pretty darn neat 00:12:19 Bike: altinstructions? 00:12:26 yeah 00:12:33 yeah it's cool 00:12:38 also the same thing for paravirt 00:14:35 Does that mean there are wx kernel pages 00:14:40 ok there are 00:15:41 well it could modify the permissions, or add a separate writeable mapping 00:15:44 but yes probably 00:15:47 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:15:53 http://www.walmart.com/ip/Healthy-Choice-Caf-Steamers-Margherita-White-Meat-Chicken-W-Angel-Hair-Pasta-Roasted-Garlic-In-Balsamic-Vinaigrette-Sauce.-Chicken/10794658#Directions 00:16:13 SgeoFood 00:16:18 -!- copumpkin has joined. 00:16:18 Note the instructions that state it must be cooked thoroughly 00:16:58 that sounds like something people don't actually do 00:17:31 Maybe I should find different frozen meals that don't have that requirement? 00:20:02 looks like it's something they have to put there because it contains poultry and it's sold in the US 00:20:08 I like the ones with the brownie 00:20:11 olsner, o.O 00:20:28 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:20:38 the only sensible thing is for them to have already cooked it to like 300 degrees in the factory before putting it in the package 00:22:20 3 frozen meals in a night isn't a bad idea, is it? 00:22:21 >.> 00:22:45 Why, that's a great idea. 00:22:56 I could use the calories >.> 00:23:20 This is generally true. 00:23:40 sgeo just, buy a cookbook or something, you're scaring me a bit. 00:23:41 http://www.nbcnews.com/id/27055169/#.UUz1wp5QCeI 00:23:58 "That message has been slow to catch on, despite a spate of illnesses last year from improperly microwaved frozen foods. On Sunday, the government issued a new warning urging consumers to thoroughly cook frozen chicken dinners after 32 people in 12 states were sickened with salmonella poisoning." 00:24:51 I'm starting to wonder if there's a comparison between making a meal and building a computer 00:25:22 hmm, interesting 00:26:26 yikes 00:27:13 Are there good cookbooks for gaining weight? 00:27:35 o.O I joked about this in #reddit-buildapc and someone said there actually is a website 00:27:52 buildameal? 00:28:09 I asked if there's something similar to PCPartPicker for food 00:28:29 Sgeo: There probably are, assuming you're doing it for medical/nutrition reasons. 00:30:56 -!- md_5 has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 00:30:56 I wonder if the fact that I'm hungry right now is making me think about all this stuff 00:31:53 accepting the wrong pizza might have solved that particular problem 00:32:35 -!- md_5 has joined. 00:38:09 why does Sgeo have the wrong pizza 00:38:22 he doesn't, that's the problem 00:38:34 he has no pizza at all, if I understand the situation correctly 00:40:09 not even a None Pizza with Left Beef? 00:40:12 (http://www.thesneeze.com/2007/the-great-pizza-orientation-test.php) 00:40:27 The good pizza's here 00:40:36 narrowly saved from starvation once again 00:40:55 Sgeo: btw, got a good tip for checking temperature of the food from another channel: stick a (clean) finger in the food - if it hurts it's done 00:41:00 Sgeo: Have you considered eating everything? 00:41:54 olsner, I did have a pizza 00:41:57 The wrong one 00:42:09 Because the delivery person messed up, I assume 00:42:47 ... and you gave it back? 00:43:28 I gave it back when I got the correct pizza 00:44:01 what constitutes an incorrect pizza 00:44:19 Squares and mysterious topping 00:44:24 I wonder what they did with the pizza they got back 00:44:31 yeah fuck squares, i hate that guy too. 00:50:38 "Half zine. Half blog. Half not good with fractions." 00:50:58 That's a fun blog. 00:51:36 * Bike enters quote, sees "your pets are being skinned alive" in his search history 00:53:59 the first hit is a search result page from a search that didn't find anything 00:54:13 how does that happen? 00:55:02 Bike: are your pets being skinned alive 00:56:28 no but yours are i guess 00:56:50 Mine are not. 00:57:06 They are adorably asleep though. 00:58:05 "I could tell for a week or so that Eddie didn't look good and was on his way out. I tried a few different things I read on the Internet but they didn't help. Possibly because those things were mostly cocktail recipes and reviews of cool apps I should download." 01:10:48 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 01:14:06 i'll have a Just Pizza with (GT, Pepperoni) please 01:14:58 haha 01:15:33 what about a pizzo38 01:15:35 When I try to run Icarus Verilog it says it cannot find something in the DLL. 01:16:17 kmc: i fear that may contain gopher meat 01:16:41 haha 01:16:46 how do you know gopher meat is bad 01:16:46 also it has plain tex without mex 01:16:53 hahaha 01:16:56 Now that's rough. 01:17:12 in crotobaltislavonia, gopher meat is considered a delicacy 01:17:20 OKAY 01:17:41 heegan 01:17:44 hichaf 01:17:49 It snowed today. 01:17:52 Disaster! 01:17:58 shachaf: you were in my twitter feed today! (Indirectly, via nullary type classes) 01:18:01 shachaf: in EPA?? 01:18:06 No, WA. 01:18:12 that makes more sense 01:18:25 Where? 01:18:25 has anyone actually used nullary typeclasses yet 01:18:28 also do they support methods 01:18:34 are you sure it wasn't just marijuana smoke 01:19:02 we had a tornado here in WA yesterday 01:19:10 are you sure it wasn't just marijuana smoke 01:19:21 Bike: the joke is that drugs 01:19:27 are legal in WA now 01:19:29 the thing that slightly worries me about nullary typeclasses is that as configuration, they seem to have a hint of the badness of global variables 01:19:34 whoa!!!!! 01:19:47 I should learn what these nullary typeclass things are 01:20:00 kmc: joke? 01:20:02 kmc: Where in your Twitterfeed was it? 01:20:11 shachaf: a retweet of a /r/haskell bot I think 01:20:23 argh what's the pronunciation of shachaf 01:20:25 hagb4rd: "In November 2012 Washington state became one of just two states to pass by initiative the legal sale and possession of marijuana for both medical and non-medical use" 01:20:35 i voted for it 01:20:35 still illegal under federal law though 01:20:37 erryday etc 01:20:38 nooodl: שחף hth 01:20:39 nice 01:20:44 but Bike its illegal 01:20:50 I voted for the same here. 01:20:52 (Colorado) 01:20:53 nice, congrats Washington! 01:21:00 illegal more like awesomelegal 01:21:01 420 repeal manifestly unjust and grotesquely ineffective prohibition every day 01:21:07 The other state is Colorado. Also November 2012. 01:21:09 o.O did shachaf invent nullary typeclasses? 01:21:11 Bike: did you vote for an illegal thing 01:21:21 yes exactly 01:21:26 Bike: you know that's transitively illegal right 01:21:30 Sgeo: he discovered them in the Platonic realm 01:21:39 "the Platonic realm" is a euphemism for ddarius 01:21:45 how can something like..illegally grow 01:21:50 criminal plants 01:22:07 what if we had a weed that grew firearms what then huh 01:22:18 I used to think that "the Platonic realm" was "the plutonic realm" 01:22:25 Because it was things that exist on Pluto. 01:22:28 The realm of death? 01:22:28 Pluto is where we store all our ideas 01:22:33 also do they support methods <-- the trac discussion did have that worrisome bug about the method's type not containing any of the types from the class context, but hopefully that was fixed? 01:22:33 (Pluto was a planet at the time.) 01:23:05 oerjan: I hope that was fixed. 01:23:14 i like the idea that all of math is written down on a stone tablet on Pluto 01:23:14 Oh, so they're still basically global things, meh 01:23:26 kmc: Wasn't that basically the plot of 2001 01:23:32 yeah kinda 01:23:47 oerjan: You should worry that nullary type classes are global as a special case of worrying that all type classes are global. 01:23:57 hagb4rd: it's an amusing absurdity yes, but a lot of 'natural' things are illegal and rightfully so 01:24:02 like murdering your neighbor and taking his land 01:24:27 right.. .wasn't there a book by leary too? 01:24:34 so the fact that marijuana grows naturally is not ipso facto reason to legalize it 01:24:46 but there are abundant reasons, so you don't need that one 01:25:14 also I think growing it is not legal in WA yet 01:25:28 you can't buy or sell or grow it, but if you happen to find some in the street then you can have it and smoke it 01:25:37 Whereas in Colorado it is already entirely legal to grow it. 01:25:49 oerjan: nullary typeclasses aren't meant to have a point. 01:25:55 You can't buy or sell it, but if you have a few plants it's quite legal. 01:25:55 I think if shachaf sees anyone using them he'll be sad. 01:26:21 pikhq_: clearly we should set up a colorado-washington exchange 01:26:33 Bike: interstate commerce 01:26:34 shachaf: except when a type class has arguments, you can at least use newtype wrapping... 01:26:36 go directly to jail 01:26:47 ahaha, voter turnout on the initiative was 81%, "the highest in the nation" 01:26:50 kmc: well so's growing it yourself 01:26:51 though actually, growing weed in your own backyard and smoking it yourself in your house is considered interstate commerce as well 01:26:55 yup 01:27:16 Because somehow anything you do that can affect interstate commerce in any way is interstate commerce. 01:27:21 Y'know, butterfly effecty. 01:27:26 it's really quite an efficient system, we never need another constitutional amendment because the federal government has discovered that they're allowed to do anything they want anyway 01:27:36 i like the idea that all of math is written down on a stone tablet on Pluto <-- frozen methane tablet, you mean 01:27:55 Stone, methane, same thing. 01:28:03 420 smoke methane every day 01:28:38 'Hmmm. I have thought before that I would nice if it were somehow possible to set (global?) "default" values for implicit params, but it were still possible to explicitly override them if necessary. This almost acomplishes that, except there's no way to override the defaults.' 01:28:54 stop it kmc you'll make me want to consider supporting states rights people 01:29:23 States are people too! 01:29:36 Bike: to be clear I'm in favor of most forms of "judicial activism", like legalizing abortion and desegregating schools 01:30:08 the constitutional argument in Roe v. Wade is also ridiculous, but it was a necessary step 01:30:14 and i'm not actually in favor of making miscegenation laws "an issue for the states", yes 01:30:24 US legal tradition has long held that courts are lawmaking entities anyways. 01:30:26 I think the current system of fake federalism is kinda messed up and could do with some refactoring 01:30:27 the ninth and tenth amendments are so very weird 01:30:38 (literally since day one) 01:30:50 Not since day one, it was like... Madison v. Monroe wasn't it 01:30:58 marbury v. madison? 01:31:03 there we go. 01:31:04 Google still asks me to take a tour of Google Reader 01:31:11 haha 01:31:13 get a screenshot 01:31:30 So like, day... 9855. 01:31:31 guys just get a queen 01:31:36 it resolves 100% of problems 01:32:11 In a confusing situation, many states have a "reception statute" on the books. 01:32:29 These statutes mean "English common law is $state common law, up to $date." 01:32:45 pff, nice. 01:32:49 except in louisiana where it's the Napoleanic code? 01:33:02 shachaf: news of the nullary type classes was also retweeted by dons 01:33:25 ok not really but they have weird French civil law there 01:33:35 It's a variant of Napoleanic code. 01:34:25 does florida use spanish colonial laws 01:34:38 Oh jeeze, New York incorporated the *full set* of English laws. 01:34:52 I think New York has regulations on the powers of the King. 01:34:57 magna carta still enforced in new york 01:35:18 guy named john straw pulled off the street, drawn, quartered 01:35:18 Yes, I'm pretty sure the Magna Carta is law in New York. 01:35:44 See elliott? We do have a king probably. 01:35:45 I think Harvard University still enjoys some protections from eminent domain, dating back to the Massachusetts Bay Colony charter 01:35:49 i understand scotland is neither common nor civil law 01:35:51 signed by King James I or whoever 01:36:06 james VI! 01:36:37 heh you're scottish 01:36:57 I prefer His Imperial Majesty Norton I, Emperor of these United States, Protector of Mexico. 01:37:13 «In other words, if an 'uninhabited' or 'infidel' territory is colonized by Britain, then the English law automatically applies in this territory from the moment of colonization; however if the colonized territory has a pre-existing legal system, the native law would apply (effectively a form of indirect rule) until formally superseded by the English law, through Royal Prerogative subjected to the Westminster Parliament.» good lord 01:37:18 "No that's not Malcolm... I'm in a Scottish restaurant and a man's yelling that they've under-fried his Mars bar." 01:44:48 shit i really should watch the thick of it 01:45:00 yes you should 01:45:32 Phantom_Hoover: You should really MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND NOT DELETE PEOPLE'S LISTS. 01:45:51 unfortunately it's not on the iplayer which means my only options are piracy or *shudder* dvds 01:46:33 it's on Hulu in the US 01:46:50 so you could watch it by proxying through some kind of Amerikabox 01:46:56 i feel as though i am the victim of some terrible injustice 01:47:06 why isn't it on iplayer anyway 01:47:14 iplayer only lasts 7 days 01:47:20 assholes 01:47:21 i really don't know why 01:47:25 your tv license fee paid for this show 01:47:36 which I enjoy for free with commercials oddly inserted 01:47:54 getting fucked over by tv licensing is just part of the British Experience� 01:48:06 god save the queen 01:48:15 anyway you can probably torrent it 01:48:20 backup the queen 01:48:39 I got 98.6 fucking percent of Time Trumpet and then my torrent stalled 01:48:40 we all got ostensibly-polite but still threatening letters from them in my halls 01:50:14 git commit the queen 01:50:20 but do not under any circumstance force-push her 01:50:38 shachaf do you like my ASCII art in #cslounge or do you think it was 01:50:39 'too much' 01:50:40 can i cherry pick her? 01:50:43 How's about rebasing the queen? 01:50:54 informing us that we can't watch live tv in our rooms (but we can in the kitchen), unless it's on a device which isn't connected to an aerial or mains power, in which case if your parents have a licence it comes under that for some reason 01:51:21 what if you record the TV 01:51:53 Phantom_Hoover: What if you have a license? 01:52:09 well you can watch the iplayer without a licence if it's not live 01:54:27 kmc: i don't care about big pastes that much but maybe its against "the house rules""????? idk 01:54:43 imo there should be a channel where you can paste without people getting 01:54:57 upset 01:55:05 that pause was ominous 01:55:36 om nom nom 01:55:53 it was only 7 lines :'( 01:56:04 kmc: I bet your IRCalike has better paste support. 01:56:12 Can I use it yet?! 01:56:23 it does; it has Markdown code blocks with syntax highlighting 01:56:30 is there a website yet? you gotta "build the hype" 01:56:31 and no, not generally open to the public yet 01:56:37 no company website 01:56:45 are you actually working for the nsa 01:56:49 no 01:57:07 that's what an nsa worker would say! 01:57:14 probably the main reason is that we don't have a final name for the company yet 01:57:19 oh nsa.gov is back up 01:57:21 oerjan: yeah maybe 01:57:35 did you see the cryptologs there 01:57:37 kmc, call it & 01:57:46 I don't actually know, I think most of them can admit that they work at NSA (if not anything else about the job) 01:57:47 where & is like @ 01:57:52 unlike CIA 01:57:57 fun fact: i pronounce & as @ 01:58:06 2>&1 -----> two into at 1 01:58:13 s/.$/one/ 01:58:25 it'll be http://ampersa.nd 01:58:26 & and Tea 01:58:28 'trendy' 01:58:35 is that north dakota 01:58:39 yes 01:58:45 imo move to north dakota and secede to get your own tld 01:58:46 the newly independent people's republic of north dakota 01:58:53 wait wat 01:59:10 TIL http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_codes_of_Serbia 01:59:40 "This task, which could seem trivial, is made hugely complex by the number of countries in the world having names which begin with the letter S." 01:59:45 sorry, * @&Tea 02:00:09 haha svalbard 02:00:14 way to punk those serbs!! 02:00:19 kmc: why does mosh+irssi drop all my keystrokes 02:00:22 when my system freezes 02:00:28 so i keep typing and like half of them come out mushed together 02:00:32 it's incredibly annoying 02:01:03 Why do you have system freezes 02:01:04 oh man i need to look up countrycodes for macedonia now 02:01:35 ampersa.fyrom 02:02:18 wow it's just .mk, that's, pretty boring 02:02:57 > 'k' `elem` "macedonia" 02:02:58 False 02:04:48 the russian, as you might have guessed 02:05:01 What is russian 02:05:02 or uh cyrillic 02:05:31 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 02:08:42 http://fora.tv/2012/11/22/Ole_Peters_Introducing_Irreversible_Time_in_Economics 02:10:49 What's that? 02:11:12 A video someone sent me. I thought it was interesting. 02:11:36 imo watch it and see 02:11:48 FINE 02:12:42 is this the infamous oleg? 02:12:55 or is this guy too britishoid 02:12:56 No? 02:12:59 or... whatever 02:13:04 That's not even any Oleg. 02:13:06 the Infamous O.L.E.G. 02:13:15 Ole is basically like Oleg. 02:13:31 -!- Gregor has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:13:31 elliott: there's an open ticket about the fact that it queues input during arbitr. long disconnects 02:13:50 oh I don't get disconnected or anything 02:14:09 it's just my system stops working for like 10 seconds because linux is terrible and X is terrible and I have a billion chrome tabs open 02:14:17 oh 02:14:17 and then what I typed during that period comes out in a mangled mush 02:14:21 hm 02:14:29 and the same doesn't happen with ssh? 02:14:42 (once it even changed irssi window on me and sent this mangled mush into a channel instead of a /query, presumably control code nonsense) 02:15:12 kmc: good question. I've on to irc fver on this machine. there it goes again. I've only used mosh to irc on this server on this machine. 02:15:21 oh well irssi has this paste detection feature which interacts poorly with Mosh 02:15:35 if it gets a bunch of control codes all at once, it assumes it's a paste rather than legit cursor moves etc 02:16:42 on shitty connections (or with shitty host as you observed) Mosh will end up dumping a lot of queued input all at once 02:17:07 SSH doesn't, because the keystrokes went out as separate TCP packets, or something 02:17:25 yeah I've had that issue too but I think it's separate 02:17:29 like, there's no server lag in this situation 02:17:30 just local lag 02:17:30 Mosh just tries to state-sync the latest version of this input queue object and when it finally suceeds, there's a lot of input to send to the application 02:17:39 ok 02:17:47 if you disable irssi paste detection does it go away 02:17:49 kmc: is kmcirc going to use ssp 02:18:02 What does paste detection do? 02:18:12 shachaf: you mean the product i'm working on? 02:18:16 Yes. 02:18:18 kmc: good question 02:18:20 I've named it for you. 02:18:23 Sgeo: it tells you "are you sure you want to paste four hundred lines into ##furry" 02:18:26 I guess I should set up some other kind of paste protection if I am going to do that 02:18:27 Now you can release it. 02:18:30 since I accidentally middle-click a lot 02:18:48 not exactly, since it's a HTTP-based protocol 02:18:50 with a web client 02:18:57 no UDP for us 02:19:05 but we're aware of the SSP design and are factoring it in 02:19:26 how do you feel spending your time working on a glorified web app for businesses 02:19:38 (insert various indicators of smugness here) 02:19:45 do you even have a job 02:19:45 what we're doing now looks a bit like Quora's LiveNode 02:19:48 are you a welfare queen 02:20:15 are you talking to me or kmc 02:20:33 he's talking to me 02:20:50 Bike: im a lazy bum :'( 02:20:56 elliott: shrug, i took this job because of the people and not the tech 02:21:16