< 1362096591 326343 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362096608 355597 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1362096680 498351 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362096695 65382 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362097276 450111 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362097766 449231 :hagb4rd|lounge!~perdito@77.180.8.250 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362098060 320007 :hagb4rd|lounge!~perdito@77.180.8.250 NICK :hagb4rd < 1362098365 146686 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362098395 727016 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362098767 849524 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362099193 359242 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCD6CF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0/20130215130331] < 1362099732 105488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1362099736 390460 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1362099875 576457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/emptylist < 1362099877 519666 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit < 1362099933 965187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Burlew's on a roll < 1362100024 254773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As he mentions on the front page. < 1362100069 117152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, does CReal not count as totally ordered? < 1362100105 42045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well CReal by default cuts off after 40 digits or so < 1362100117 91667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not decidably < 1362100137 995161 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but undecidable functions on "computable" reals is fun :( < 1362100168 793767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so by default (==) does return a result. however this result does not respect leibnitzian equality. < 1362100187 829778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*leibnizian < 1362100206 743267 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you even call equality otherwise < 1362100217 339078 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just-kind-of-saying-so equality" < 1362100354 46717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well equivalence relations... < 1362100368 684802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it satisfies all the axioms I think < 1362100370 957587 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1362100379 625690 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it probably does but it's boring so there < 1362100385 90371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are also boring tho < 1362100389 461307 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362100466 870312 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, having 40 digits in common is probably just bijective with N < 1362100558 133265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/^/basename "$0"; /' bin/emptylist < 1362100562 210422 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362100563 196132 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emptylist < 1362100565 160273 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :emptylist < 1362100568 379791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops. < 1362100569 824935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1362100573 109045 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1362100594 578635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/^/echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; /' bin/emptylist < 1362100596 657902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emptylist < 1362100598 420536 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362100599 741216 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :emptylist: < 1362100606 879564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/^/echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; /' bin/olist < 1362100610 712184 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362100611 513299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (Sorry!) < 1362100613 508070 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1362100616 434578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's better. < 1362100623 759860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? < 1362100625 712224 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what just happened what is happening where am i < 1362100637 430326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yes, I'm always confused about which list is which. < 1362100643 846397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's nice to have it all in one line. < 1362100662 769484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In particular when I /last shachaf and see a list, I want to know which one it is.) < 1362100676 432366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, did I mess it up? < 1362100678 519140 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh. < 1362100696 894994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what happened to olist? < 1362100697 64255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks fine to me? < 1362100704 819466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was meant to be an emptylist clone! < 1362100715 801720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/olist < 1362100717 614444 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; echo shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1362100718 484684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/{empty,o}list < 1362100722 522510 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362100733 377045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/olist < 1362100735 58577 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit < 1362100742 801615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for n in shchaf oerjan Sgeo; do echo $n >> bin/olist; done < 1362100746 828087 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362100747 543889 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1362100749 809490 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shchaf oerjan Sgeo < 1362100752 229227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better. < 1362100761 97421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tip: one of the names is wrong < 1362100767 868986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oopse < 1362100768 785312 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip there < 1362100779 182514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I never know how to spell that thing anyway. < 1362100789 93974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run s/shchaf/shachaf/g bin/* < 1362100790 998210 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: s/shchaf/shachaf/g: No such file or directory < 1362100794 684949 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed s/shchaf/shachaf/g bin/* < 1362100796 568915 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1"; \ else echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; < 1362100800 397488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs. < 1362100801 273750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because the original is hebrew so the vowels confuse him < 1362100809 487997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed s/shchaf/shachaf/g bin/olist < 1362100811 409326 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit \ shachaf \ oerjan \ Sgeo < 1362100816 22028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i s/shchaf/shachaf/g bin/olist < 1362100818 857006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of these days... < 1362100819 716465 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362100831 410733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/smlist | rot13 < 1362100833 400500 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362100840 424763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo hello | rot13 < 1362100842 609988 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362100844 173684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1362100848 969376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/rot13 < 1362100850 738146 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$@" | tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < 1362100861 542709 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What sort of crazy person makes a rot13 command that doesn't work on stdin? < 1362100867 896526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rot13 this kind < 1362100869 758393 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :guvf xvaq < 1362100883 86613 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M > bin/r13; chmod +x bin/r13 < 1362100886 995617 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362100887 354605 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/smlist | r13 < 1362100889 610962 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; rkvg \ funpuns \ zbadl \ ryyvbgg < 1362100900 772524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, how do you sed just the first line? < 1362100911 692336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just 1s/... or something? < 1362100934 141320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed '1s/^/echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; /' bin/smlist | r13 < 1362100936 354737 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rpub -a "$(onfranzr "$0"): "; gnvy -a+2 "$0" | knetf; rkvg \ funpuns \ zbadl \ ryyvbgg < 1362100955 963800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '1s/^/echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; /' bin/smlist < 1362100960 158520 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362101021 526783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, rot13ing to be considerate of me while messing with lists doesn't actually work. < 1362101026 485490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a hilight on funpuns. < 1362101027 933693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sighs. < 1362101038 307763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope «you know who» doesn't have a hilight on zbadl. < 1362101069 124230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist < 1362101071 387904 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist: shachaf monqy elliott < 1362101097 572169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1362101100 835192 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not updated. < 1362101117 540401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which rot13 < 1362101119 221905 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/hackenv/bin/rot13 < 1362101123 482932 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362101129 945472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* < 1362101140 444632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rot13 < 1362101142 343310 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo "$@" | tr a-zA-Z n-za-mN-ZA-M < 1362101147 429961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362101165 272576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky argument variations < 1362101181 871541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a standard for bin/ commands. < 1362101191 299504 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such that they look at both $@ and stdin < 1362101229 492937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone write a one-liner that checks if $@ is nonempty and if it is reruns $0 with $@ as stdin < 1362101240 591357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then put it at the beginning of everything < 1362101273 716703 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362101331 856218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is it bad that while in backscroll i had the exact same idea as shachaf here? < 1362101339 357347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362101375 928396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1362101392 244106 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoerjan < 1362101408 526875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :having both r13 and rot13 is pretty silly though < 1362101441 234443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: maybe one of them rotates 13 LEFT and the other rotates 13 RIGHT. < 1362101554 207328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I've mentioned this idea before. < 1362101555 876507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not. < 1362101560 661764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it's how things Should Work. < 1362101643 311110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should just be something that checks /proc/blah/cmdline and if stdin is closed and that's non-empty then it echos it on stdin < 1362101648 206647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can do foo | ... < 1362101662 645089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps it would have been better if HackEgo used EgoBot's convention of passing the command line in stdin < 1362101676 239261 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine elliott < 1362101679 670487 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`quine elliott < 1362101694 283356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: then you couldn't use unix stuff without `run. although you barely can anyway. < 1362101694 496487 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hackego's design has led to the most surreal design conversations, i swear < 1362101703 827276 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine stuff < 1362101704 359698 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362101707 316859 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362101724 620978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: `run would work like EgoBot's !sh then < 1362101727 676583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine oerjan < 1362101727 962289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoerjan < 1362101731 349500 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :quoerjan < 1362101760 341611 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine < 1362101761 363608 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm built just the way I'm meant to be, so stop trying to change who I am! < 1362101782 464075 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :race condtion!!! < 1362101812 783701 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362101820 204458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :death by race condition < 1362101826 645100 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine stuff < 1362101828 417018 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm built just the way I'm meant to be, so stop trying to change who I am! < 1362101843 267094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo stop botspamming the channel < 1362101850 807109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362101855 134496 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can't < 1362101859 14344 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuz hackego die < 1362101866 856684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes his scrollback < 1362101877 598874 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362101878 257155 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362101884 790422 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh welcome back HackEgo < 1362101997 338333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION rolls his eyes back < 1362102079 245183 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@186.222.62.76 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362102186 625548 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/bin/sh'; echo "cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric; cat \$(ls ????-??-??.txt | tail -1) | sed 's/[^>]*> //' | grep '^\`' | tail -1 #Best cheating quine ever?") > bin/quine < 1362102190 339745 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362102219 46048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you ruined it :( < 1362102227 202457 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine No output. < 1362102230 514835 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`quine No output. < 1362102251 194516 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine foobar < 1362102251 369113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b < 1362102254 749597 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`quine foobar < 1362102293 145689 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every user in the channel has to test the race condition from now on < 1362102306 555327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine < 1362102307 4999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ugh < 1362102308 299645 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ugh: not found < 1362102309 774098 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`ugh < 1362102324 653237 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott passed < 1362102324 815540 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you for demonstrating elliott < 1362102338 332686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: hah i didn't think of that, that even works for encrypted quine < 1362102344 434381 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was going to do that, but wanted to copy/paste a newline < 1362102409 620441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's lost magic though! < 1362102440 663550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks he will stay neutral on this issue < 1362102461 232920 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good issue < 1362102741 899274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what was the old `quine command? < 1362102785 761168 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably the same sans the grep? < 1362102828 275254 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1362102869 793043 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it's "race condition free" < 1362103119 186365 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. How to fix the race condition: Make HackEgo look for the oldest thing it hasn't replied to? < 1362103169 438581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that has a reverse race condition < 1362103176 71823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 70% of the point of `quine is to have the race < 1362103180 420393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the two threads may not see each others' answers < 1362103198 984526 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: On the other hand, if we keep tacking on "solutions" to it we'll get an esolang. < 1362103302 978072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an esolang based entirely on misbehaving cheating quines? < 1362103342 142837 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I bet you can solve what ais523 said by looking through ps. < 1362103350 665149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can't < 1362103356 449145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :where to do actual computation you have to make the safeguards fail < 1362103358 529946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo $$ < 1362103358 904634 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Shhhhh. < 1362103359 893236 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$$ < 1362103360 68963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo $$ < 1362103362 185398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1362103364 360512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $$ < 1362103366 428013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $$ < 1362103372 86432 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to design an esolang here. < 1362103392 435686 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​$$ < 1362103397 289225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to get sgeo to design an esolang here < 1362103403 332569 :cantcode!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Quit: ragequit < 1362103407 923666 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is part of the design. < 1362103411 994235 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are all part of the design. < 1362103416 360473 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome... to my museum. < 1362103426 264443 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :284 < 1362103428 362831 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :285 < 1362103464 174477 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use a file as a lock? < 1362103472 57451 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really understand HackEgo that well < 1362103473 515600 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You see! < 1362103489 938131 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do the different threads each see different environments? < 1362103505 921745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that will work _so_ well with all these timeouts < 1362103547 620255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they do any longer, something transactions? < 1362103558 271507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they never did afaik < 1362103828 862897 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362104020 584949 :cantcode2!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362104426 978478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362104440 536997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I'd got the same value from two simultaneous `run echo $$ before now < 1362104449 677597 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps < 1362104451 343033 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ PID TTY TIME CMD \ 280 ? 00:00:00 init \ 282 ? 00:00:00 sh \ 285 ? 00:00:00 ps \ 286 ? 00:00:00 cat < 1362104458 673257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps < 1362104460 140145 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps < 1362104460 337948 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ PID TTY TIME CMD \ 280 ? 00:00:00 init \ 282 ? 00:00:00 sh \ 285 ? 00:00:00 ps \ 286 ? 00:00:00 cat < 1362104461 605165 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ PID TTY TIME CMD \ 280 ? 00:00:00 init \ 282 ? 00:00:00 sh \ 283 ? 00:00:00 ps \ 284 ? 00:00:00 cat < 1362104475 625121 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps not, those ps runs seem to be aware of each other < 1362104480 873118 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pgrep ps < 1362104482 340898 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362104482 489406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run pgrep ps < 1362104483 782767 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362104487 448113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no pgrep? < 1362104491 391140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps aux | grep ps < 1362104492 846930 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps aux | grep ps < 1362104493 5435 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5000 282 0.0 0.2 4008 564 ? S 02:21 0:00 sh -c 'env' 'PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin' 'HACKENV=/hackenv' 'http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128' 'LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8' '/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits' 'bash' '-c' 'ps aux | grep ps' | cat \ 5000 285 0.0 0.5 123840 1460 ? < 1362104494 661626 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :5000 282 0.0 0.2 4008 564 ? S 02:21 0:00 sh -c 'env' 'PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin' 'HACKENV=/hackenv' 'http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128' 'LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8' '/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits' 'bash' '-c' 'ps aux | grep ps' | cat \ 5000 285 0.0 0.5 123840 1460 ? < 1362104511 194756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, hmm < 1362104514 611828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps u | grep ps < 1362104516 104886 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ps u | grep ps < 1362104516 254615 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362104517 723775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362104528 50815 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :en_NZ? < 1362104535 842805 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Why en_NZ? < 1362104552 150367 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that question gets asked all the time < 1362104559 311257 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's the cool place to be < 1362104559 968036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess is, so people will ask the question :) < 1362104596 323284 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Because people complained when I set it to zh_TW < 1362104596 517747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1362104661 142564 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Smartass. < 1362104716 912829 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like hackego being from new zealand < 1362104724 154627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :adds some international character to the channel < 1362104759 345500 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what does NZ even change from like AU or UK < 1362104787 737385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERNATIONAL CHARACTER < 1362104797 533261 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, a program could have a New Zealand-specific localization. < 1362104814 408764 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet 100% of programs just use en_US though. < 1362104899 419106 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode needs an INTERNATIONAL CHARACTER < 1362104928 325986 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362104956 73507 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :petition to make multiocular o the designated international character of unicode < 1362104971 951103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many signatures do you need for the president to do it < 1362104990 906666 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362104991 434849 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Unicode have a president? < 1362105066 37012 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine2 equine too < 1362105066 341581 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quine2 | rainwords < 1362105068 174227 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`quine2 equine too < 1362105068 830344 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​2`run 13quine2 6| 4rainwords < 1362105110 596725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i mean obama < 1362105123 784140 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama is the president of Unicode? < 1362105139 555821 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The president of things which have no presidents < 1362105153 232987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :obama is just the president. < 1362105155 311247 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was me. < 1362105161 744377 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean we already founded the university. < 1362105166 21904 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of dumb professor titles. < 1362105176 28582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say he was a professor! < 1362105192 993528 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes but we agreed that I was the founder, which makes me president as well by ancient law. < 1362105227 387745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pretty sure hope and change invalidated ancient law in 2008 < 1362105286 839604 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANKS OBAMA >:| < 1362105316 370097 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obatman < 1362105642 107215 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ history | tail -n 1 | cut '-d ' -f 4- < 1362105643 582351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :history | tail -n 1 | cut '-d ' -f 4- < 1362105652 289135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a `quine in bash :) < 1362105671 257100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1362105691 416304 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, that quoting of '-d ' looks really wrong to me < 1362105697 964206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I guess -'d ' would be worse < 1362105701 921150 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-d' ' doesn't seem wrong to me) < 1362105782 15615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'-'d\ < 1362105808 212074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Where's the race condition? < 1362105826 624168 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least look in .bash_history instead of running `history` < 1362105830 463482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give us a chance. < 1362105833 612414 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that wouldn't make a difference < 1362105838 869786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, it would < 1362105843 267761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1362105851 968107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought .bash_history only updated when the shell exited < 1362105866 397294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ tail -n 1 .bash_history < 1362105867 836391 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :history | tail -n 1 | cut '-d ' -f 4- < 1362105869 453437 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362105922 754944 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the non-word-boundary rainbow command < 1362105930 306140 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :rb? < 1362105970 801089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: There's an option for it. < 1362105976 246300 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can make it write to .bash_history on every command. < 1362106021 290554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shopt -s histappend < 1362106035 267805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1362106040 275937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shopt -s histappend && tail -n 1 .bash_history < 1362106058 678851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point is to keep the race condition around. < 1362106139 963761 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but thiw way you can get new and exciting race conditions < 1362107016 298685 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cwcfcmyuyqjhgaei NICK :muqayil < 1362107038 754761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: colorize < 1362107238 583358 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1362107258 440415 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "thoerjan" | colorize < 1362107261 194579 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1006140714t1309h0807030713080406021410020804130404080609110305060614090611130304081304110712080814o1303091209051005040306e080905021113031302050407110509r141114060704j10100710a13041310070702041402060908n06101202020208130309031112140712 < 1362107374 299680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it make that many color codes < 1362107396 151623 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "so that zzo38 will ask lots of questions" | colorize < 1362107398 357834 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0205so 141006t0204h1204070207at07 09z070911z081405o302130205810 0605w1011080811i11130902121208090713120504l10l a0614s14040208k14 0810l0908o07t061409s1004110403021214 o0210f 0914110311qu1009est11050912i0614140203140906121009021002080614o10n1005s < 1362107429 569348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it just fills out the line until near HackEgo's limit, i suspect only your client even sees most of them so we haven't bothered to cut them down. < 1362107457 116238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit of a waste when the line is short originally < 1362107512 960254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose a minimum somewhere could reduce it... < 1362107513 305566 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh does it just randomly insert color codes monte carlo style < 1362107552 206494 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems you could at least make it not add a color code anywhere its already put one < 1362107554 180899 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: yeah it does a shuffle of a string containing x's and C's, the x'es for original content < 1362107564 570859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hm i guess... < 1362107572 308546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/colorize < 1362107573 899709 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ python -c "import random; w=raw_input(); p=list('x'*len(w)+'C'*int((341-len(w))/3+1)); random.shuffle(p); i=(c for c in w); print ''.join(i.next() if c=='x' else chr(3)+'%02d' % random.randrange(2,15) for c in ['C']+p)" < 1362107657 158393 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so do a /C+/C/ < 1362107678 226468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i'm looking up python regexp functions < 1362107745 328959 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url bin/colorize < 1362107748 634316 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/colorize < 1362107799 87928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which python < 1362107800 875279 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/opt/python27/bin/python < 1362107822 343533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`which env < 1362107824 219620 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/usr/bin/env < 1362107956 733155 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362107964 617021 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/colorize < 1362107971 385831 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-01 03:19:30 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/colorize [258/258] -> "colorize" [1] < 1362107982 428344 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod a+x colorize < 1362107986 104267 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362108002 96865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Test | ./colorize < 1362108004 379828 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "./colorize", line 7, in \ p=re.subst('C+','C',p) \ AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'subst' < 1362108012 241247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362108044 59827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/colorize < 1362108046 970659 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-01 03:20:45 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/colorize [256/256] -> "colorize.1" [1] < 1362108074 685725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat colorize.1 >colorize < 1362108078 707208 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362108080 880960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Test | ./colorize < 1362108083 123552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "./colorize", line 7, in \ p=re.sub('C+','C',p) \ File "/opt/python27/lib/python2.7/re.py", line 151, in sub \ return _compile(pattern, flags).sub(repl, string, count) \ TypeError: expected string or buffer < 1362108102 760115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now wtf < 1362108131 416083 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :does python seriously do str->int by turning it into its length? < 1362108143 559070 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's cool? < 1362108157 748354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat? i have no idea. < 1362108188 842085 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you get that idea quintopia < 1362108210 748652 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "p=re.sub('C+','C',p)" < 1362108222 339168 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :where p is a string < 1362108236 41392 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's regex substitution what does it have to do with numbers < 1362108251 973486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third argument is a count < 1362108258 211321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it isn't < 1362108267 770656 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"re.sub(pattern, repl, string, count=0, flags=0)" < 1362108287 4483 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362108298 32667 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is p then < 1362108308 926044 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a string, except oerjan actually made it a list < 1362108310 251318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still have no idea what the error is about < 1362108318 321054 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think python lists are strings < 1362108322 579397 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could be wrong, it's been a while < 1362108324 346775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1362108326 771681 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1362108353 66932 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :str(['a','b']) => "['a','b']" awesome < 1362108371 785389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :how the fuck do I do this then... < 1362108389 849776 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :do a join on the whole list < 1362108394 395097 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then apply the regex < 1362108407 582349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then split again? how convenient. < 1362108411 900032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1362108413 56485 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@186.222.62.76 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362108420 292923 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can change the last to loop over chars in the string < 1362108436 213552 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1362108439 541357 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck the regex < 1362108444 576533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you do it who actually know python < 1362108459 903776 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if you wrote a python->haskell compiler first? < 1362108462 209395 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :just add a flag that records whether the last element was a 'C' < 1362108474 830995 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :and refuses to print a color if so < 1362108479 130108 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362108482 312636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about write it in haskell instead < 1362108482 808945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: we are _way_ beyond by patience quota here. < 1362108493 215641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can get Bike to do it < 1362108495 534032 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about write in haskell instead < 1362108504 919538 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can get elliott to do it < 1362108510 253772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike knows haskell < 1362108511 175401 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait. < 1362108512 545978 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agda. < 1362108514 404882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do I know about haskell? < 1362108517 815867 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/colorize < 1362108522 920678 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-01 03:28:41 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/colorize [235/235] -> "colorize.2" [1] < 1362108536 598853 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i=(c for c in w) <-- it's beautiful < 1362108542 112150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat colorize.2 >bin/colorize < 1362108546 38405 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362108549 982081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :python strings are not lists, but they are both iterable in the same way < 1362108555 807654 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so many functions are happy to consume either < 1362108556 683168 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1362108564 527119 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: BUT NOT RE.SUB < 1362108584 727067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Test | colorize #This is just the old one reformatted < 1362108587 225730 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0408090914121204090607020309Te030502130707050204020604061009031210041102030212040711021013040408121105031214100903100907060314091203070407041414041302s1210080203070709021305140404030714101307101007t0904131213071205131213101013080207 < 1362108597 898201 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if python has a strfry < 1362108600 774733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so at least that won't be lost < 1362108610 674747 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm colorize* < 1362108614 628174 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362108740 173162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's random.shuffle < 1362108744 97155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wants to shuffle a list in place < 1362108758 913495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what colorize uses < 1362108772 11164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/colorize < 1362108773 678690 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import random \ import re \ w=raw_input() \ p=list('x'*len(w)+'C'*int((341-len(w))/3+1)) \ random.shuffle(p) \ i=(c for c in w) \ print ''.join(i.next() if c=='x' else chr(3)+'%02d' % random.randrange(2,15) for c in ['C']+p) < 1362108867 719463 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Colorize | colorize < 1362108869 542912 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08C14120914091308071008111208090811070914140310050508121107o07080805040607051205081011l06050514o0804070610050707031310110411r120907050911070314050506101307021411140406071107i05041111121310050306041202131203090709061112z091006110311e14 < 1362108884 600911 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"um cool" < 1362108901 369106 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/colorize | colorize < 1362108902 987458 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​031003030813101207081407#1403100502050807!021011131313/u11040213s12r120210/13110814070205b07i06n0903091005090313040812110707061306/1208e14030506111405n12v020708031414061003 08071303091107p070404101114y07t06061310070306h1408100307100914on < 1362108908 564823 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :purty < 1362108980 375131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$(cat bin/colorize)" | colorize < 1362108982 762319 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0906#06!051410/14u10130408s080612140510020402r0605/070208061008bi1302140314140903n14080608111206130506/0403e041407n1003v030211 05p101203111114yt0803041405041002060813090614h11080805o06050210n1110021007031409100702120214120602071312080808 < 1362108989 186064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "$(cat bin/colorize)" < 1362108991 54448 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ import random \ import re \ w=raw_input() \ p=list('x'*len(w)+'C'*int((341-len(w))/3+1)) \ random.shuffle(p) \ i=(c for c in w) \ print ''.join(i.next() if c=='x' else chr(3)+'%02d' % random.randrange(2,15) for c in ['C']+p) < 1362108996 628233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '6ap=list(re.sub('C+','C',''.join(p)))' bin/colorize < 1362109000 444960 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362109000 797462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo $(cat bin/colorize) | colorize < 1362109003 433844 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File "/hackenv/bin/colorize", line 7 \ p=list(re.sub(C+,C,.join(p))) \ ^ \ SyntaxError: invalid syntax < 1362109011 179608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362109013 945434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1362109016 941718 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1362109022 536779 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Race coerjan < 1362109026 711335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i "6ap=list(re.sub('C+','C',''.join(p)))" bin/colorize < 1362109031 92335 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362109042 336495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Test | colorize < 1362109044 661509 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1102T12e05s02t11 < 1362109046 822822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1362109059 78879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: did that have fewer color codes? < 1362109063 741919 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo Colorize | colorize < 1362109065 611923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​1310C06o13l04o09r06i14z12e05 < 1362109068 291358 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i'm gonna have to remember that one < 1362109102 991061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems from the logs like it worked. < 1362109111 6158 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Type coerjan?) < 1362109202 993144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess by what kmc said the final list(...) is redundant < 1362109208 28362 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but never mind < 1362109354 724755 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo xaCtoKniFe | colorize < 1362109356 548583 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08x05a08Ct14o11K05n08i07F05e11 < 1362109393 378311 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Remember whom? < 1362109767 892767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes how there is only one control code for each letter < 1362109788 987422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn wikipedia broke wikEdDiff < 1362109810 667490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good < 1362109827 773227 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who is the pope now? < 1362109840 692821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one < 1362109858 327688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conclave has not started yet < 1362109897 745477 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are in a popeless world < 1362109984 118796 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362110112 873106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Today there is no Pope, head of the CIA, or Sec. of Defense. We are so, so close to living John Lennon's dream.' < 1362110117 677119 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they deleted his tweets too < 1362110119 670516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the pope < 1362110120 644629 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! < 1362110135 789081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's an archive < 1362110144 430965 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god < 1362110152 655502 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: LSD is still illegal though < 1362110173 423802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are they like mad at him < 1362110175 726782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for tweeting < 1362110198 947393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: dunno < 1362110202 270168 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They write his tweets < 1362110204 860577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah last i checked < 1362110293 974104 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is busy downloading all the stuff from sgeo.diagonalfish.net < 1362110321 542663 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit have you read growth and form too?? < 1362110344 677416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forbidden < 1362110345 491564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have permission to access / on this server. < 1362110347 613835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip sgeo.diagonalfish.net < 1362110364 179597 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can still FTP into it < 1362110369 769780 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362110389 852920 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :get out while you still can < 1362110454 792735 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1362110554 962832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see if I can log into paranoia-live < 1362110776 917156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16240872/12_30_06_device_mania.html < 1362110880 98312 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Big computer. < 1362111186 4843 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this from < 1362111216 108160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: how often do you check < 1362111219 256807 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we need `lsdlist < 1362111232 598633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to subscribe to `lsdlist on principle < 1362111246 322854 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, a Paranoia session I GMed < 1362111247 625040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.creaturescaves.com/downloads.php?section=COBs&view=801 < 1362111251 177792 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^not Paranoia < 1362111285 707439 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's this < 1362111300 489837 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The COBs section < 1362111315 904734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something I made years ago that was hosted on sgeo.diagonalfish.net < 1362111324 713030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been a "lost link" for some time < 1362111326 674905 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah are you going through your old stuff archives < 1362111337 324695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just today gave malkin permission to post the copy that he had to this site < 1362111338 656977 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so < 1362111342 713916 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's happening to the diagonal fish < 1362111398 634045 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :by any chance would this diagonal fish archive happen to house the fabled “atheism directory„ < 1362111424 960825 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, yes. < 1362111443 440320 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::0 < 1362111444 618416 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh that sounds fun. < 1362111454 894854 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the fabled “atheism directory„? < 1362111504 430026 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only heard fables < 1362111528 571800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only heard people fabling about the fables < 1362111535 717609 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just now, in fact) < 1362111573 25040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. What is my math homework doing in the atheism directory? < 1362111591 513063 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know! Maybe it would help if you explained what the fabled “atheism directory„ is. < 1362111610 540091 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just my thoughts/code relating to religion < 1362111622 590977 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Code you say. < 1362111724 386806 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are your thoughts/code relating to religion? < 1362111742 485209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I just, like, upload a directory to dropbox? < 1362111819 591225 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think so but you might have to do something special to give directory listing permissions?? or you could zip it up and upload that < 1362111886 742216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or shell archive it in which case it can even work with sprunge < 1362112052 551810 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In GCC does including cases with __builtin_unreachable make it not going to be worse than it ordinarily is? < 1362112231 189535 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16240872/atheism.zip < 1362112287 776246 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i am so pumped for this < 1362112293 968093 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you ready to get your folk theology deconstructed??? < 1362112294 454503 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ye < 1362112336 582962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is all from years ago < 1362112374 790258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of those was something some religious person gave me to read I think < 1362112507 633937 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :supregod.pdf < 1362112539 302486 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's some kabbalah shit right there son < 1362112567 795698 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope that it's clear that I never actually believed that, and it was just musings on various possible theologies that would make more sense. < 1362112577 827958 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362112647 251926 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow there is actually code. < 1362113867 821227 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362113962 56438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: c-ode < 1362114198 679315 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362114284 828015 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's possible to do a CPU that can autovectorize any loop < 1362114362 425195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, but sometimes vectorizing by compiler would be preferable. < 1362114388 472374 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's essentially applying a vectorizing compilation on the fly < 1362114394 20774 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the concepts are the same < 1362114424 634248 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you take your 32 register RISC < 1362114430 743405 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic design etc < 1362114453 250372 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you have 4 or 8 or howerver many sub-cores < 1362114468 886028 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :run the same operations on the 4 or 8 cores < 1362114502 299159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer "worse-is-better" design < 1362114520 500063 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if a branch goes different ways on different cores then you invalidate the results on subsequent cores < 1362114541 633089 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: what's that? < 1362114564 622148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Simplicity-the design must be simple, both in implementation and interface. It is more important for the implementation to be simple than the interface. Simplicity is the most important consideration in a design. < 1362114571 387683 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correctness-the design must be correct in all observable aspects. It is slightly better to be simple than correct. < 1362114580 18805 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consistency-the design must not be overly inconsistent. Consistency can be sacrificed for simplicity in some cases, but it is better to drop those parts of the design that deal with less common circumstances than to introduce either implementational complexity or inconsistency. < 1362114584 585755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Completeness-the design must cover as many important situations as is practical. All reasonably expected cases should be covered. Completeness can be sacrificed in favor of any other quality. In fact, completeness must sacrificed whenever implementation simplicity is jeopardized. Consistency can be sacrificed to achieve completeness if simplicity is retained; especially worthless is consistency of interface. < 1362114587 809093 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what it is. < 1362114683 437144 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmm < 1362114734 721752 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it have C++ compiled code more or less optimally? < 1362114768 284100 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes -> superscalar 2 issue classic risc architecture we've seen a zillion times < 1362114768 434315 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the defining question of our times < 1362114838 810508 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the user can use intrinsics or de-aliasing keywords -> SIMD of some kind < 1362114858 375560 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially that's what a GPU is, for instance < 1362114880 882150 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :VLIW of some kind optimized for max throughput < 1362114891 128743 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also: Cell, Larrabbee < 1362114959 948663 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no the user will write custom assembly -> DSP of some kind with SIMD < 1362114971 595343 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even more throughput-oriented architecture) < 1362115355 159904 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda wonder how easily LLVM can < 1362115360 636842 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) unroll loops < 1362115376 328694 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(2) guess which pointers can't alias which others < 1362115417 59933 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPUs aren't particularly VLIW, rather they have different sorts of memory which each have different aliasing behaviour < 1362115423 749362 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :across threads < 1362115427 485243 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if (1) is easy then any loop can be unrolled N times (first step to the kind of auto-vectorization I'm thinking about) < 1362115448 206267 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: oh < 1362115529 694047 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you have your loop unrolled, say, 4 times, you can try to reorder the instructions to put each set of 4 identical operations together < 1362115538 717489 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is where (2) comes in < 1362115562 487765 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if LLVM's alias analysis fails (ie it finds two pointers can alias) < 1362115599 454712 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it can't reorder the memory operations and you'll never be able to combine your sets of 4x identical operations together < 1362115630 637978 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because you'd have to violate memory operation ordering constraints) < 1362115699 570363 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :however if it passes then you can vectorize any operation < 1362115729 183950 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though you'll need special versions of the opcodes that can feedback operands from unit to unit < 1362115930 230604 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362116126 191988 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for DSP and gfx processing loops < 1362116136 61697 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your looping condition is going to be N iterations < 1362116141 804222 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's easy to unroll < 1362116174 450614 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with DSP is that while it usually writes in 1 place, it normally reads all over the place < 1362116188 826801 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(look up tables, sample data...) < 1362116325 147756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think LLVM doesn't always need to guess since you can specify explicitly some ways too. < 1362116339 807760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as the restrict command and the !tbaa command. < 1362116604 89090 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"‘llvm.loop.parallel‘ Metadata" < 1362116805 659363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, there is that, too! < 1362117163 545159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But LLVM doesn't have a command to change the number of bits in one byte. < 1362117389 994174 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the interest of doing that? < 1362117409 592445 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :making the KillComp 9007 a reality < 1362117488 115418 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are computers and virtual machines with different number of bits in one byte. < 1362117619 431138 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of 9, 12 and 36 bit words yes < 1362117651 987218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I mean things such as that < 1362117680 752070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I also mean including 4-bits and 32-bits and whatever else there might be. < 1362117711 462306 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't CHAR_BIT have to be at least 8? < 1362117794 498567 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's 8 as a minimum < 1362117795 228880 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: In C it must be at least 8 bits. < 1362117796 960432 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but can be higher < 1362117799 763182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it does in C, and probably should in LLVM too except in cases where the module contains a command explicitly saying otherwise. < 1362117801 285211 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In POSIX it must be exactly 8 bits. < 1362117820 176268 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1362117866 30121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In many cases you wouldn't care about POSIX though. < 1362117897 93552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM also dosen't have attributes to indicate commutative and associative function parameters, but maybe it should have < 1362117907 764195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it might be useful for some kind of optimizations. < 1362118075 68203 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it can flag some opcodes as commutative < 1362118096 8355 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so actually if it inlines your function it might do that to your additions < 1362118297 740351 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have looked at the source-codes it seems like it does that, but it doesn't mean you can specify that your own function has that property in other cases too (including external functions). < 1362118459 596533 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's really much of an important avenue for optim < 1362118512 530850 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is if you're doing mapreduce or something, but then why are you doing llvm? < 1362118643 905600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it is because they don't have other ones. < 1362118680 523348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM also doesn't compile into many targets which GCC supports. < 1362118761 469971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as MMIX and ARM2 and so on, so LLVM programs are not as portable as GCC, for now. < 1362118791 488316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither LLVM nor GCC supports Z-machine or Glulx, though, as far as I can see. < 1362118798 840509 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shame. < 1362118868 290074 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do either of them compile to naval automatic differential analyzers, for use in aiming cannons? < 1362119117 623018 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :llvm supports later ARMs no? < 1362119139 412724 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes LLVM does support later ARMs but not all the old ones too like GCC supports even ARM1 < 1362119165 128737 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there are computers other than ARM. < 1362119165 318244 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have old ARM machines you need to support? < 1362119207 30031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes (mainly due to patent issues). < 1362119267 331200 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, how's the dsp unit design going < 1362119372 253907 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't actually have the equipment yet but mostly I just think about it, I have various papers I have written ideas on < 1362119396 797276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However mostly now I am working on VGMCK. < 1362119487 785517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(At this time, I am adding support for OPLL, although I eventually intend to have all of them, as well as other additional features.) < 1362119589 65073 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anything seem particularly promising? < 1362119665 140266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know yet. < 1362119700 127445 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore, I must learn. But I am not working on hardware right now since I have other things to do. < 1362119894 313637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I may be evil < 1362119898 273184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm back in norn torture mode < 1362119923 153571 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no sgeo! resist!!!!! < 1362119955 80573 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it's someone else's norn < 1362119966 90352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gave them the genetics, but he's observing what the norn is doing < 1362119981 328103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, kind of out of my hands, unless I scream "PUT THE POOR NORN OUT OF ITS MISERY" < 1362120003 102177 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow so you're a second-degree sociopath < 1362120023 348550 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although actually he's mind controlling the norn to get him to eat, so that's a thing. < 1362120039 164422 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monster < 1362120057 8360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's good. The condition the norn has makes the norn unwilling to eat food after he's eaten food a few times. < 1362120066 330656 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, unwilling to do anything after doing that thing a few times. < 1362120163 258214 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, how'd you manage that? < 1362120172 998543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a chemical called Punishment < 1362120184 655970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I added a gene that makes sure the norn is always filled with Punishment < 1362120223 397556 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1362120354 320851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"post mind-control + tickling, he seems to eat when prompted" < 1362121244 813945 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone give me a backtick plox < 1362121274 486109 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1362121275 588094 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1362121276 168707 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :0060 ` GRAVE ACCENT < 1362121306 631211 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks bike < 1362121333 512290 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run touch bin/$(echo) < 1362121334 940901 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362121338 249856 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1362121339 545391 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1362121342 527443 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 5.5 km/h to mi/h < 1362121343 51526 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww. < 1362121352 243205 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[] < 1362121355 111433 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run touch bin/$(echo -n) < 1362121356 565338 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362121360 195443 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :` < 1362121361 206281 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 5.5 km/h to mi/h < 1362121361 413704 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: : not found < 1362121368 933282 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​[] < 1362121379 336450 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink km/h to mi/h < 1362121387 498147 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error in BasicExpressionFormatter.formatEnumerating in evaluation \ Error in BasicExpressionFormatter.formatEnumerating in evaluation Range operator endpoints are conformal, but require you to specify an conformal step. < 1362121394 956360 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1362121396 307927 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`units < 1362121425 470576 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? ok. < 1362121427 385960 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2527 units, 72 prefixes, 56 nonlinear units \ \ You have: < 1362121469 156972 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`units '5.5 km/h' 'mi/h' < 1362121470 683908 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown unit ''5.' < 1362121486 607427 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`units km/h mi/h < 1362121488 349747 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ Definition: 1.4152697e+66 s^2 / kg^2 m^4 < 1362121506 923657 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1362121522 547079 :keb!~keb@71.59.209.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362121533 8070 :keb!~keb@71.59.209.166 QUIT :Client Quit < 1362121615 850017 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362121838 682703 :keb!~keb@c-71-59-209-166.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362121838 869898 :keb!~keb@c-71-59-209-166.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1362122897 203399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1362123658 229530 :Bike!~Glossina@63.229.134.7 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362123905 911051 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :K < 1362123907 347571 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :U < 1362123941 320292 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ku < 1362124079 774847 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Grah, the Internship website I found is just for students :( < 1362124406 574666 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1362124582 518428 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362124666 619034 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying not to flip out over an important website in the Creatures Community storing passwords in plain text. < 1362124766 672746 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :flipping out is sort of a reasonable response to that < 1362124810 626364 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh, someone storing passwords in plain text is likely to completely miss what the fuzz is about < 1362124811 682081 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362124830 913594 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, they originally thought I meant in cookies < 1362124844 656992 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the conversation was going through an intermediary < 1362124983 483588 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362125610 172932 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362128294 186136 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1362128378 504958 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362129118 453915 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@195.206.224.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362129208 526406 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362129260 978669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGMCK is now up to version 0.6. < 1362129276 939307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eventually it will come up to version 1.0 and then more after that too. < 1362131748 845166 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362131924 661210 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362132010 844086 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362132070 844608 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362132443 491080 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362132674 257997 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone who uses a different password for each password field would also miss what the fuzz is about. < 1362133239 775446 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362133583 561671 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you use different passwords and/or even change them often ? < 1362133583 750860 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: i can't make < 1362134351 410771 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362135077 412519 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362135133 397229 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362135366 874585 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCD6CF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362135673 243627 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Quit: ^C < 1362135687 896660 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1362136463 667082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1362136563 902707 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f154.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362136733 497818 :hagb4rd!~perdito@77.180.8.250 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362137733 609069 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362138994 375483 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCD6CF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0/20130215130331] < 1362139308 488414 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362139537 378048 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.180.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362139537 565851 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.180.244 QUIT :Changing host < 1362139537 565992 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362140426 612685 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362141108 442925 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362141340 366169 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.180.244 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362141340 553781 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.180.244 QUIT :Changing host < 1362141340 553924 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362141485 677849 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362141883 464916 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362142083 798670 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362144276 558477 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65.128.137.85 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362144287 875391 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362144371 611330 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362144396 156320 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362144589 846208 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362144860 582042 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1362144883 395950 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65.128.137.85 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362144926 609370 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362145796 366862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`resume < 1362145799 793937 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :rsum < 1362146230 964278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the tiny glimpse that command gives into Sgeo's life < 1362146676 777436 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362146804 671036 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362146811 870278 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362146820 63866 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-5d81f154.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362147184 135908 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362148399 904141 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362148557 893183 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362148945 844305 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-7-79.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362148945 996508 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-7-79.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362148945 996566 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362149215 145494 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362149248 694335 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362149420 813319 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362149650 848086 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362149823 790648 :nollapiste!~ared@host69-186-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1362150232 617450 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-40.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362150248 757096 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-31-40.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362150248 906800 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362150276 543442 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362150409 161867 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362150519 403151 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.40.32 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362150519 552866 :sebbu2!~sebbu@83.194.40.32 QUIT :Changing host < 1362150519 553002 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362150590 726255 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362150723 402375 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.49.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362150723 552302 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.49.160 QUIT :Changing host < 1362150723 552455 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362150804 372098 :sebbu3!~sebbu@83.194.49.160 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362150808 433767 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362150819 480094 :sebbu3!~sebbu@83.194.49.160 QUIT :Changing host < 1362150819 629775 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362150983 378372 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362151296 351297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's it. I am fucking DONE with trying to get people to fix their password security < 1362151306 170124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The admin made changes. Those changes are HORRIBLE> < 1362151333 920171 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'everyone's password must be "password", so you don't forget it' < 1362151380 819563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, not that bad < 1362151391 78488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a not-well-thought-out password reset < 1362151397 273442 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which obliterates the original password < 1362151484 257537 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find two-columned text oddly hard to read < 1362151524 76025 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wehuiofpawuoehfaeruitr < 1362151531 561248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should stop helping people < 1362151545 652966 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People do worse things than they were doing originally when they try to take my advice < 1362151592 851980 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe you're just not helping people enough < 1362151911 639238 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The website in question has gone from "There's a theoretical weakness that would make your users' lives worse if the website was hacked into." to "Now there's an actual vulnerability." < 1362151966 73713 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tell the admin this and give him specific recommendations < 1362152002 953981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Told the admin, but I should probably actually recommend something, rather than describing the problem < 1362152009 752782 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only good recommendation is to use a library < 1362152099 263276 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94.224.28.191 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362152333 416794 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362152337 945165 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362152357 181398 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362152357 370133 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362152454 176717 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362152462 857196 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1362152678 964547 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362152679 155092 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362152679 464487 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362152679 464712 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxvhvucuznwyonmv QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362152732 710722 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxvhvucuznwyonmv JOIN :#esoteric < 1362152740 766115 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362152740 915752 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1362152740 916031 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362154327 737529 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362155579 150149 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362155618 484538 :devin_!~devin_@unaffiliated/devin/x-7957978 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362155632 15107 :devin_!~devin_@unaffiliated/devin/x-7957978 PART :#esoteric < 1362157712 874334 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362157804 887339 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362157890 437002 :ared_!~ared@host83-190-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1362157931 896310 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362158068 782133 :nollapiste!~ared@host69-186-dynamic.2-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362158785 813642 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.165.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Creatures as in the Steve Grand game? < 1362159083 349444 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362159336 572982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, yes < 1362159395 862631 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.165.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tinkers with that occasionally :-) I only have Creatures 2 PC and the Gameboy version though. < 1362159405 263270 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.165.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still looking for a Norn doll! < 1362159455 732941 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic, well, Docking Station is free! < 1362159458 458957 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1362159580 869582 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362159596 237159 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362160388 584669 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1362160545 895813 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362160727 554433 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCD6CF.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362160842 949875 :ared_!~ared@host83-190-dynamic.5-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362160889 965538 :ared__!~ared@host99-178-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1362161043 377677 :ared_!~ared@host116-178-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1362161196 698787 :ared__!~ared@host99-178-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362161268 444146 :nollapiste!~ared@host70-187-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1362161305 163035 :ared_!~ared@host116-178-dynamic.9-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1362161369 775069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have lambdabot messages < 1362161370 301572 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1362161385 64287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover yes < 1362161385 524644 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362161454 742554 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :long live vietnamese cuisine. < 1362161509 624303 :nollapiste!~ared@host70-187-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1362161626 787928 :nollapiste!~ared@host244-185-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1362161683 523503 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@195.206.224.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362162021 599923 :ared__!~ared@host26-177-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1362162136 913241 :nollapiste!~ared@host244-185-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362162158 419965 :ared__!~ared@host26-177-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1362162241 990494 :nollapiste!~ared@host26-177-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it JOIN :#esoteric < 1362162529 497753 :nollapiste!~ared@host26-177-dynamic.8-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1362162817 896274 :Bike!~Glossina@63-229-134-7.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362162845 248271 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362163312 496411 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362163413 289248 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1362163970 312418 :Bike_!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1362164156 385800 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nostalgias at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16240872/Pool2.JPG < 1362164848 654307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like shitty minecraft < 1362164848 824068 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1362164854 191534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1362164854 341213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 57m 49s ago: yes < 1362165068 146982 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362165124 5172 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362165156 1848 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362165193 226521 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362165301 158034 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362165932 188203 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362167503 352003 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-43.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362167568 492264 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94.224.28.191 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362167787 849828 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362169144 586173 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCD6CF.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0/20130215130331] < 1362169557 926539 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362169629 77933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362169644 997213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asin < 1362169647 218962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floating a => a -> a < 1362169677 244666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [asin, acos] <*> [-1, 0, 1] < 1362169679 702115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-1.5707963267948966,0.0,1.5707963267948966,3.141592653589793,1.57079632679... < 1362169686 878123 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [asin, acos] <*> [-1, 0, 1] :: [Float] < 1362169689 60656 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-1.5707964,0.0,1.5707964,3.1415927,1.5707964,0.0] < 1362170044 70214 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://cl.ly/image/170J1K1L280j I suck at DF, therefore I started hacking it < 1362170100 689449 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :WITH LISP (DIALECT) ! < 1362170123 652006 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that I can nerd while I nerd < 1362170166 467057 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362170250 241789 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362170256 87961 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362170414 821128 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck dwarf fortress < 1362170415 205811 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slaves to Armok: God of Blood Chapter II: Dwarf Fortress is a part roguelike, part city-building freeware video game set in a procedurally-generated high fantasy universe in which the player takes control of a group of dwarves and attempts to construct a successful and wealthy mountainhome. < 1362170449 620287 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at OMeta < 1362170534 783017 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362170542 977081 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362170547 114713 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fucking hard < 1362170630 989231 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ometa < 1362170631 253965 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1362170637 346150 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck fucking hard < 1362170637 657134 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1362170722 447212 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1362170740 382557 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i just tried the js version and I don't understand a thing < 1362170791 247182 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1362170816 710861 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: I'm reading the dissertation < 1362170859 42901 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362171062 879338 :sebbu!~sebbu@adijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362171063 65783 :sebbu!~sebbu@adijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362171063 65945 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362171201 348093 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1362171205 284200 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1362171352 249237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x-asin(sin x) | x <- [0 :: Float , 0.1 ..]] < 1362171354 281243 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.0,-7.450581e-9,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,0.0,-5.9604645e-8,5.9604645e-8,5.9604645e... < 1362171371 262802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x-asin(sin x) | x <- [0 :: Float , 0.5 ..]] < 1362171373 182952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.0,0.0,0.0,-1.1920929e-7,0.8584074,1.8584074,2.8584073,3.8584073,4.858407... < 1362171451 594681 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.165.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... Core War with time travelling processes http://perso.ens-lyon.fr/martin.bodin/timecorewar.html.en < 1362171460 484697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: thx < 1362171465 540522 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1362171526 424140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x-asin(sin x) | x <- [0 :: Float , pi/4 ..]] < 1362171528 523528 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0.0,-5.9604645e-8,0.0,1.5707964,3.1415923,4.7123885,6.283185,6.283185,6.28... < 1362171530 844464 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362171971 340180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that won't be discontinuous, but more like a sawtooth kind of thing < 1362172084 528211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Thanks! < 1362172094 387061 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1362173118 821523 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362173156 38881 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362173188 57154 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362173539 720470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm seems mezzacotta also has a lovecraft style < 1362173554 103348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you secretly mezzacotta's scriptwriter? < 1362173554 546557 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that would make you... perhaps if you are using. the executables it created; it was written in pl/ 1, 1 < 1362173574 890125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style lovecraft < 1362173575 39767 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: lovecraft (H. P. Lovecraft's writings) < 1362173597 150434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: explain hyperbolic geometry please < 1362173599 236372 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes fungot < 1362173599 486965 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it got wuss araound civil war time, when my friend had attained a size and muscular power not usually found in infants under a full year of age. his motions and even his vocal sounds showed a restraint and deliberateness highly peculiar in an infant, and no previous grave had been disturbed not many months before. on the butcher's shop of the cannibal monster committed from arkham sixteen years before; and upon being re < 1362173663 724180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. looks like fungot doesn't like being poked. < 1362173664 975386 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the next january gossips were mildly interested in the antiquities he knew so well. he had a characteristic way of ringing the doorbell or sounding the knocker that grew to be a rudimentary eye; whilst in lieu of stairs. the tread was heavy, deliberate tramping in the cottage, and olney heard the windows opening, first on small animals and then on human bodies shockingly obtained. there was nothing anywhere but blackness < 1362173711 604355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's connected to that heisenbug triggered when fungot produces very long lines < 1362173712 972064 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :koi{s: " the other gods, who are prone to fnord the details, and far below him on his wedding night." upon that night the wanderers left ulthar, and were impressed by a curious group of half-castes whose frequent meetings and night trips to the woods in a vague fashion; and i felt deeply moved despite my rational beliefs. wilcox, i was on the evening of july fnord, when the intrusion of a single, loosely knit nation or fnord, n < 1362173803 541316 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes fungot without knowing the poke's velocity < 1362173804 933264 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: as the men passed the site of his camp. our apprehensions were over what we might find, or fail to find, and proceeded to follow their usual course. with torch flashing intermittently to save the rejected specimen, and would admit no one. i went to fnord for there is no sharp distinction betwixt the real and the unreal; that all things appear as they do. i paint in the cellar laboratory when i learned that i was calmer, < 1362173811 883368 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. < 1362173852 84933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i _think_ it has the effect of garbling the next line from the channel < 1362173862 636241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yours was right after mine < 1362173891 287777 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :garbling with fungot can be quite the problem to debug. < 1362173892 264467 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: ' and is this what asks so hotly for a reckoning? suppose a man does find it now and then in public assemblies, and who find their greatest consolation in the fawning and fnord attachments of a fnord laundry worker named fnord wolejko had completely vanished from sight. the weather kept fair, and for the searchlight. we often cast a beam of light down the stygian hold. for about ten feet, he saw the hills and converse wi < 1362173895 999133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1362173897 262716 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: " that is ultra-violet." he looked curiously at me for a sterner and more lingering end, i saw no living thing nor any light save that of the previous summer, while the slant-eyed merchant was an agent of the darker powers, eager to aid our memory by telling us how we came there, and will be fnord at as obvious impostures, notwithstanding a general resemblance to the vocal organs of man, and had been diligently instruct < 1362173900 26701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1362173900 674772 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: " el coyote el fnord el fnord to?" i spoke with the leaders in the soft glow of late afternoon that i first felt the terrible fatigue and short breath which our race through the thin plateau air had fnord but the paintings and rough inscriptions on the peeling walls of most of his tales, being apparently more interested in the ancient house for hundreds of years, but which he would have shewn what he did. < 1362173909 486590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly not very fungot < 1362173910 433366 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it was young danforth who drew our notice to the curious.' when i read in these books or saw in these fields and groves was exactly what we thought we had heard since coming on the camp horror it would have been inconceivable ages ago, when the wind was friendly or adverse, it would appear; though no doubt the meteor had poisoned the soil, but it will have no powers of earth's friendly cats. he knew but a few words of e < 1362173921 35323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem to trigger agin < 1362173923 424486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*again < 1362173960 192482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we only notice it if it garbles either the "fungot" or the nick < 1362173960 837835 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what had happened. he did not delay the operation. nothing was emitted, and all the loathsome fnord turned from their tasks to stare seaward and cluster round the waterfront. certainly, the emotional cataclysm or revelation which could produce so radical an fnord must be much more considerable than is generally imagined. cabbalism itself, so that the earths internal heat could fnord its habitability for an indefinite pe < 1362173963 270513 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to avoid quantum pokes considering the present stellar alignment. < 1362174010 373713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying that the stars are right < 1362174063 136328 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: tell me more about el coyote el fnord < 1362174063 546601 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: gilman sat in a row six noble forms with the aspect of that city, and the very presence of one in the afternoon i spent much time tracing the walls and bygone streets, and can't tell you, it is the fnord of < 1362174189 809418 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362174196 70563 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Client Quit < 1362174284 818168 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: stars are never right. order is disorder. all hail eris! < 1362174343 843844 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure whether you are arguing for or against the great old ones returning there < 1362174363 404662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's part of the madness. < 1362174422 566421 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have sushi planned tonight. the great old ones, I eat them. < 1362174452 99506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought sushi was more like the deep ones < 1362174490 32386 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think sushi are the ones in slices with rice under them < 1362174550 652672 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's many types of sushi, the defining factor is the vinegar'd sushi rice < 1362174590 378885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't vinegared a word to start with < 1362174631 443877 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rice topped with sashimi (or egg/etc) and wrapped in nori are nigirizushi < 1362174636 290015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's ask beauregard < 1362174638 370260 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rolls are makizushi < 1362175146 237146 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (3 :+ 3) < 1362175147 597123 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => Complex a < 1362175149 943289 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (3 :+ 3) + 3 < 1362175151 247977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RealFloat a => Complex a < 1362175152 510024 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, "sushi" is literally any dish made with sushi rice. < 1362175172 274924 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does it become a RealFloat rather than Num if I add an integer? < 1362175190 108084 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, adding anything seems to do that < 1362175196 734293 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (3 :+ 3) + (3 :+ 0) < 1362175198 54944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RealFloat a => Complex a < 1362175230 247206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the Complex instance for Num < 1362175235 234433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not adding an integer, btw < 1362175240 349198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a telephone interview with a company that < 1362175241 669596 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We provide deal execution software, institutional investor data, and market analytics to almost every major investment bank in the world." < 1362175255 500424 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::+ is the constructor for Complex, isn't it? < 1362175264 706954 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (:+) < 1362175266 182991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc yes < 1362175266 332717 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> a -> Complex a < 1362175268 803563 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, the Num instance for Complex has a RealFloat constraint < 1362175284 773257 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362175304 208000 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the type constructor doesn't really enforce anything < 1362175311 462490 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 'a' :+ 'b' < 1362175312 825627 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'a' :+ 'b' < 1362175372 988769 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... Huh. < 1362175386 920158 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "This is a" :+ "strange Complex value." < 1362175388 968805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "This is a" :+ "strange Complex value." < 1362175568 115095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1 :+ 2 + 3 :+ 4 < 1362175570 199579 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1362175570 350971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix `Data.Complex.:+' [infix 6] and `G... < 1362175623 301412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyone ever abuse Identity monad to do <$> <*> ? < 1362175635 686205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1362175648 709478 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be possible, right? < 1362175669 167004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure I understand what you mean < 1362175672 886543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runIdentity $ (,,) <$> 1 <*> 2 <*> 3 < 1362175674 752858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instances for (GHC.Num.Num (Data.Functor.Identity.Identity a2), < 1362175674 902454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1362175689 33090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runIdentity $ (,,) <$> pure 1 <*> pure 2 <*> pure 3 < 1362175690 689923 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1,2,3) < 1362175698 158503 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that's hideous < 1362175702 228186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what that buys you over saying (1,2,3)? < 1362175702 482496 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anti-golfing. < 1362175708 614325 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you can do anything with the Identity monad - the big question is why you'd want to < 1362175710 28928 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in general f <$> pure x <*> pure y --> f x y < 1362175729 998137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure (f x y)? < 1362175731 685359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, save parens, like a $ with more than one argument < 1362175781 286054 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :identity is useful as a foundation block for monad stacks. < 1362175784 846177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but you need to say pure (a b c). < 1362175795 603421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :infixl ($) works for this purpose -- f $ x $ y -- unfortunately it is not in the Haskell standard < 1362175948 167711 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362176319 771530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f `id` x `id` "shocking" :: Expr < 1362176321 923891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : f x "shocking" < 1362176546 427929 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f < 1362176547 790741 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FromExpr a => a < 1362176796 887329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: gross < 1362176830 513944 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1362176833 715141 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362177041 80154 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw do you speak from experience when telling not to give edwardk your github account name. < 1362177078 315662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, cruel, bitter experience < 1362177079 26907 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens when you do that? < 1362177105 593785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that joke doesn't quite make sense if you are not in -lens but yes :P < 1362177121 60967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i _assume_ edwardk then forks all your projects to use supergeneral CT concepts < 1362177125 637725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362177135 696655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk's response to bug reports and feature requests generally involves giving you commit access and telling you to go for it < 1362177149 874348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how effective it is < 1362177150 535064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1362177169 947782 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no wonder lens is approaching singularity < 1362177204 37454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the list of modules loaded by ghci when i use import Control.Lens in a program is fearsome. < 1362177217 56765 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume i could reduce it by importing submodules < 1362177243 595535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-although < 1362177402 541936 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a nice way to make it so that if you have lens and some other package installed at the same time you'll get the lens magic, but so that neither library has to depend on the other < 1362177448 981421 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: you can already derive lenses for types you imported from elsewhere < 1362177473 339269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, i think the cabal system needs a way to do optional dependencies < 1362177489 20246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general, not just for lens < 1362177494 412616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think optional dependencies normally lead to a different kind of hell though < 1362177529 559398 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. where you have to reconfigure every installed package because you realize you want lens support < 1362177530 539723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I view optional dependencies as an antipattern. < 1362177578 202297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, optional modules which can have additional dependencies, then < 1362177641 609851 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f x "shocking" < 1362177643 341021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraints: < 1362177643 537052 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1362177643 686612 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1362177655 682991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: you need the :: Expr < 1362177672 848915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f is too overloaded to resolve unambiguously otherwise < 1362177733 408664 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t f < 1362177734 574545 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FromExpr a => a < 1362177743 874859 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> f x "shocking" :: Expr < 1362177745 364600 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : f x "shocking" < 1362177759 675501 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, can you write a generic function that is whatever djinn would generate for the type you're trying to use it as? < 1362177786 807456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically if you have a package that gives a type class and a package which gives an unrelated data type which could be an instance of that type class, it _should_ be possible to include the instance in one of the packages without forcing them to depend on each other < 1362177844 293987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there needs to be a way to make that not have the overhead of an orphan instance, too :P < 1362177896 647857 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the biggest overhead with orphan instances that you have to participate in the regularly occuring debate on what to do with them? < 1362177904 204010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1362177912 668066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't usually participate in that < 1362177949 781036 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither, I barely even haskell in the first place < 1362177989 883332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well unfortunately open world assumption makes that fundamentally unsound < 1362178031 577732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: with current haskell, yes. i'm imagining an extension that allows you to do it anyhow. < 1362178039 733437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_without_ violating open world. < 1362178149 518070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, either a module defining either the class or one of the involved types would have to contain a declaration where to look for the rest < 1362178161 17809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-either < 1362178231 699608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1362178260 974516 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you write "instance Monad in Data.Pony.MonadInstance", anything trying to find an instance of Monad for ponies will import the MonadInstance module < 1362178421 689040 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but let's say Monad is a weird type class from an obscure package that few people want to use, and that this line occurs in one of the pony modules < 1362178573 541084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i can see a possible problem of this leaking instances _other_ than the one you are trying to provide < 1362178582 588737 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other direction might need something like "instance Monad for Data.Pony in Data.Pony.MonadInstance"? then the compiler knows not to do anything unless you're using types from Data.Pony, even if the Monad library contains a thousand of those instance-can-be-found-in directives < 1362178679 198014 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I suspect something like this may end up trying to import every module that exists, exploding the compiler < 1362178836 462818 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362178869 130632 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...MUST ...RESIST ...TEMPTATION < 1362178875 601367 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is leaking instances a problem though? < 1362178943 794232 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, what is this temptation you must resist? < 1362178956 881200 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the temptation to import every pony at once < 1362178990 31852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the problem is that if those instances don't have similar declarations, you destroy the efficiency gain of ghc not having to consider the first ones orphans. well maybe. < 1362179005 799762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the temptation to say "no it doesn't". hth. < 1362179069 213137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i guess you wouldn't, actually < 1362179107 26378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, it might not be a bigger problem than without the declarations, anyway < 1362179129 812319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1362179162 606578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is if combining this with the cross-package optional import stuff < 1362179222 919552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you don't want things to change in code that doesn't mention stuff in a package dependent on whether that package is installed or not < 1362179241 812863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be like orphan instances magnified < 1362179383 593621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, orphan instances would become _completely_ unmaintainable if they could leak across optional dependencies. < 1362179390 495964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think. < 1362179519 698521 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I think it should only affect any code that imports both pony and monad, and since everyone shares the same orphan instance it should be fine? < 1362179536 591243 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something, I'm not entirely sure what the "problem" is in the first place < 1362180225 994964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: oh hm i guess your solution does not involve any extra module... < 1362180305 573701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait it does < 1362180349 706356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the problem is if Data.Pony.MonadInstance happens to either directly or indirectly export any orphan instances _other_ than the Monad Pony one. < 1362180363 250111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then those would leak < 1362180402 429882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm still not sure this is worse than the current situation < 1362180833 242278 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362180841 781188 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1362182525 967719 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial JOIN :#esoteric < 1362182662 849712 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362182737 585079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, when you asked me how many interviews I had, were you counting telephone interviews? < 1362182748 646904 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because if you were, I did have one (before I got the upcoming one today) < 1362183219 930126 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362183672 495396 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362184255 877451 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362184579 855057 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362184704 785859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi < 1362184711 392682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i thought i had a question < 1362184712 974211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess i don't < 1362184757 169808 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey kmc are you there? < 1362184766 740569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME TheColonial < 1362184769 607679 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :THECOLONIAL: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1362184770 76891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1362184778 850319 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello elliott :) < 1362184831 81601 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE TheColonial < 1362184833 842753 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThEcOlOnIaL: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1362184835 817438 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :from me also < 1362184841 123131 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you quintopia < 1362184853 166675 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you come in a set with ThePostcolonial < 1362184854 174174 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did we have a < 1362184855 76676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pats his question dissolving raygun < 1362184857 853631 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome TheColonial < 1362184859 748908 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: welcome: not found < 1362184862 39153 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1362184872 838784 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pretty sure there was an obnocious fullwidth one < 1362184876 850616 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike I've never been asked before, but I'll see if I can drum something up :) < 1362184882 240710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: there is < 1362184898 723688 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it ThePostColonial < 1362184901 202966 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't know < 1362184908 214163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thepostcolonial < 1362184911 622243 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome TheColonial < 1362184913 185438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like a really shitty band < 1362184914 120581 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​9TheColonial: 2Welcome 13to 6the 4international 7hub 8for 9esoteric 2programming 13language 6design 4and 7deployment! 8For 9more 2information, 13check 6out 4our 7wiki: 8http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 9(For 2the 13other 6kind 4of 7esoterica, 8try 9#esoteric 2on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1362184935 777869 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but they're so sensitive to modern issues!! < 1362184944 373477 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can "colonial" refer to the colon? < 1362184945 208602 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stumbled on this channel in a rather esoteric way, how fitting. < 1362184947 644224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to the welcome bubble < 1362184967 110479 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: sometimes I sign in to places which chop usernames to 8chars.. I end up as "TheColon". < 1362185047 995795 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see someone has had a fair bit of fun with the welcome script. < 1362185065 656977 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :So is this place packed with PLT geeks? :) < 1362185110 763693 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you count as a PLT geek if you can say "homotopy type theory" without stuttering < 1362185143 534252 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe I can, but I reckon that doesn't make me a PLT geek! < 1362185317 762099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can say it without stuttering, but i don't actually know what it means! < 1362185330 83622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought oerjan knew everything... < 1362185331 490547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION knows some other type theory though < 1362185372 41668 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my intuition knows everything, but it is very bad at communicating with my rational mind... < 1362185378 96096 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually stumbled on this channel after a Google search coughed this up http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/13.01.03 < 1362185449 829794 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric, where even your segfaults are turing-complete < 1362185455 746750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would still join this place after getting logged evidence of how terrible it is?? < 1362185472 315571 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha! < 1362185477 343408 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that says a lot about me doesn't it. < 1362185497 387249 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually interested in the discussion between kmc and shachaf < 1362185517 321573 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :talking about security < 1362185568 137942 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you guys all spend time working on crazy languages of your own? < 1362185583 218034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we spend roughly 0% of our time working < 1362185604 70312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're looking for sitting around and complaining about things though then this is your channel < 1362185630 205236 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just added to autojoin :D < 1362185683 796398 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362185804 25689 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362186413 455292 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to shower. Back in a few. < 1362186451 473770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1362186452 592535 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-43.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362186693 497273 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome TheColonial < 1362186695 711465 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :TheColonial: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362187158 503897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think you have to at least know what it is. < 1362187191 14577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's type theory that uses homotopy < 1362187202 192492 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's HoTT < 1362187228 787779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to dolio's talk about it once. < 1362187237 99582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comonad.com/reader/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/slides.pdf < 1362187574 220044 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you shachaf < 1362188594 905894 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362188941 941460 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you have a second for a question? < 1362188959 671399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1362188960 877877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why me? < 1362188965 652922 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just ask the channel. :-) < 1362188970 931743 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because you incriminated yourself :D < 1362188998 405160 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm actually interested in a discussion between you and kmc... found it here: http://tunes.org/~nef//logs/esoteric/13.01.03 < 1362189114 707968 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial PRIVMSG #esoteric :crap.. brb :) < 1362189215 619522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I maintain that ask your question into the abyss of #esoteric and see what happens. < 1362189574 419906 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362189781 857548 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362190036 775511 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362190072 772977 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1362190542 363330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1362190550 833624 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1362190575 844495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't see an update since Sgeo's `olist? < 1362190599 156172 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1362190608 280819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which you thanked him for, so presumably you've seen it? < 1362190623 104627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'm just permanently 1 behind y'all :P < 1362190625 401349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe that was another cache issue?) < 1362190638 931303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo fix your cache < 1362190641 728265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :after his `olist i found #874, which was new to me then < 1362190656 53220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it _was_ fixed, since new ones appeared... < 1362190657 729367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I saw his `olist I saw 875 < 1362190665 663675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh :( < 1362190708 510410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do what I do: Disable your cache. < 1362190802 300088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there is something weird about how giantitp.com does things < 1362190834 992518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i disable cache, won't everything else frequently visited load slowly < 1362191169 85798 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362191381 682301 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362191383 974836 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1362191410 426433 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guy in that ARM paper said that all architectures have warts... so true < 1362191449 441706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: By "disable cache" I mean that I do everything in Incognito Mode in Chromium. < 1362191459 58239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all cache/cookies/etc. is lost between sessions. < 1362191503 744209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm maybe i could visit _just_ oots in privacy mode... < 1362191522 375184 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :context : I just learned that MIPS has an add opcode that causes an exception if the result overflows :O < 1362191540 904559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has never used that mode before, afahr < 1362191555 811410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What browser do you use? < 1362191557 12094 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: what, integer add? < 1362191559 931287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE 8 < 1362191564 737522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, right. < 1362191576 244485 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how it goes. < 1362191585 754573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall seeing such an option < 1362191586 995866 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike : it's just as crazy in float but yeah integer add < 1362191629 830805 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, what the hell? why? < 1362191650 410245 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has a non-exception causing add too tho < 1362191651 222413 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being able to trap overflows in a language without extra overhead ,I'm guessing? < 1362191662 392027 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in x86 you'd have to do a "jo" after every single add < 1362191668 360171 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : yeah but in practice there's no point < 1362191686 852374 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no language where that's a sensible thing to do < 1362191701 780517 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... I thought lisp had to check for overflow on its adds? < 1362191730 940174 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds kinda nice for debugging too, though now there's that IOC thing < 1362191735 187862 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, overflowing ops are automatically promoted to bignums? < 1362191751 711072 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1362191754 892997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. bike would know more < 1362191769 138788 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : doing a "jo" after every add is probably faster actually < 1362191772 922428 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in CL, yeah < 1362191785 731091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing the jo is faster if it ever actually happens < 1362191793 143527 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and slower if it doesn't? < 1362191793 292949 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah totally < 1362191807 679612 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it's using leftover silicon < 1362191827 457677 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah < 1362191873 691275 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but normally if you're actually in the kind of case where it would be useful, you're probably in some non-numerical code < 1362191892 768323 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is full of branches and memory loads < 1362191913 194871 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, dropping to bignums makes everything way slow < 1362191964 866934 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, just like in floating point when you have INF or NAN < 1362191976 461536 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or denormals, those are the WORST < 1362191978 572134 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt CL is the only system that would want dropping to bignums to be easier, though < 1362191983 628598 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone actually like denormals? < 1362192030 554058 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupid handling of denormals on x86 is a bad problem in sound handling code < 1362192032 309475 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one x87 guy < 1362192047 400427 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol kahan < 1362192101 819494 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: go on? < 1362192125 456042 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that thing where if you end up with denormals, it gets like 100x slower, right? < 1362192125 816286 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like HELLO YOUR PROCESSING IS SUDDENLY HUNDREADS OF TIMES SLOWER WHOOPS YOU MISSED THE SOUNDBUFFER DEADLINE OH WELL AT LEAST YOUR RESULT IS GONNA BE REALLY ACCURANTE NO? < 1362192132 38507 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can practically DDOS a system < 1362192135 192148 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by feeding it bad floats < 1362192135 595487 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rigt < 1362192147 78390 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAZ~ < 1362192154 227326 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds about as hilarious an attack as redos < 1362192154 376864 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's really easy to get denormals in sound < 1362192166 443357 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :send a sound into a reverb then send silence < 1362192193 625158 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay your values are now decaying towards the ones that will make your cpu blow up < 1362192220 769160 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for filters (except faster) < 1362192227 482623 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does DAZ solve that problem? < 1362192227 706189 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Broadwell will introduce some ISA extensions: * ADOX/ADCX for arbitrary precision integer operations" < 1362192250 777840 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: yeah that looked neat < 1362192259 895093 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362192283 212690 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah umm let's speed up addition?? < 1362192293 555787 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: it's a flag problem < 1362192314 714092 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flags registers kinda suck tbh < 1362192316 693785 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't intel already have fused multiply-add < 1362192322 973200 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :flag dependencies basically forced really latency-bottlenecked situations < 1362192330 224637 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: what would you prefer? < 1362192334 768726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the instructino you want to do overwrites the flag you needed < 1362192345 344809 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: no flag registers < 1362192349 296374 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I think the BMI2 instructions (the mulx, shlx, adcx, etc) are to avoid that < 1362192372 274862 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ARM lets you choose whether or not to set the flags register with certain instructions, which also avoids most of the problem? < 1362192377 751392 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok not on integers < 1362192382 369950 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a cmp+branch instruction for instance < 1362192393 545295 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: so like you just have je x,y,address instead? < 1362192401 521830 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362192410 610740 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flags here are for carry and stuff though :< < 1362192435 782543 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's a very pretty way to multiply/add big numbers without flaggy-like things < 1362192447 364822 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the carry bits < 1362192464 294629 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well carry lookahead seems kind of insane anyway < 1362192479 197267 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: you can compare the result of the addition with the previous value (unsigned) < 1362192492 313523 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if the result is smaller, there has been an overflow < 1362192508 618748 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could dump into double the word size, like MIPS in HI and LO < 1362192509 474842 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's probably going to be a lot of extra instructions though... < 1362192521 290564 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just compare HI with zero < 1362192526 969016 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: well, it's one extra jump compared to adc < 1362192534 722818 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez don't make it a jump < 1362192546 216932 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that jump would be completely unpredictable ^^; < 1362192556 424524 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: true, true < 1362192560 165137 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since carry bits are probably pretty random < 1362192581 374911 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think arm64 did it with a conditional increment/add of some kind < 1362192587 63777 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1362192600 691621 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think arm has the issue at all though, because it has flag-setting and non-flag-setting versions of instructions < 1362192605 916373 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't run into the same problem x86 has? < 1362192606 770906 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo we just need a processor without arithmetic < 1362192611 947674 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously it's impossible to do right < 1362192625 686075 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so i finally have an excuse to link you https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_triggered_architecture < 1362192637 159263 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an OISC with nothing but moves < 1362192638 40042 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those still used at all? < 1362192657 575421 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never really thought it counted as oisc < 1362192671 534234 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :add rl, al, bl < 1362192671 721826 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :add rh, ah, bh < 1362192671 722017 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :inc_if_smaller rh, rl, al < 1362192700 836081 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: an instruction can do anything < 1362192702 308882 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that's one instruction longer than with adc < 1362192759 837224 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably on ARM it'd be something like, add, add, cmp, conditional inc? < 1362192761 768179 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: machine where the one instruction runs the accumulator register as a turing machine < 1362192762 744285 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if you add a SIMD unit later on, that's usually a good place to do 64bit math < 1362192771 161307 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: arm has adc < 1362192781 991091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! so just, adds + adc? < 1362192786 116065 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362192802 394224 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you can do it in SIMD/NEON < 1362192812 851005 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does neon have 64-bit math like that? < 1362192813 360508 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which case you can do it on 2 ops at the same time < 1362192830 103358 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ok but you need to make the register width large enough to fit a UTM < 1362192834 345113 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: yeah, I'm not sure what use it has but yeah it has that < 1362192848 482256 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: 64 bits are enough for anybody. < 1362192853 950352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far I think NEON only has 64-bit execution units though so it might not be faster :< < 1362192854 137833 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This makes the proof of turing completeness easier) < 1362192858 897679 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like, at least a billion machines. < 1362192873 984299 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: actually it depends on the instructions < 1362192892 36153 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A sagan machines < 1362192896 939917 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: on some instructions 128-bit isn't faster (floating point in particular) < 1362192911 508363 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing even a15 still had 64-bit units but I might be totally wrong since I don't really know much about this < 1362192922 108666 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: but I'm pretty sure integer addition is 128bit so you can do it in "1 cycle" < 1362192933 241330 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have a 64-bit multiply it looks like :/ < 1362192948 92221 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha no multiply is faster if you use smaller ops < 1362192952 207642 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno for the a15 < 1362192957 946486 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant, no 64-bit datatype < 1362192959 102433 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1362192968 449863 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on the a8 you want to do everything in 16 bits < 1362192969 102305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if FPGA can be used with through-hole? < 1362192981 514222 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: a multiplier that large would probably never be fast < 1362193021 838263 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the ivy bridge 64x64->128 multiplier takes 3 cycles? < 1362193038 453532 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the timings for 32x32 multiplication would be kinda blah < 1362193045 969505 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: latency? < 1362193047 368893 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines a processor with Knuth automata to make multiplication O(1) < 1362193052 420528 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, 1 cycle throughput < 1362193063 528801 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : that sounds way too low < 1362193083 145244 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : actually on recent processors, wide multiplications tend to have long latencies < 1362193097 729079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how they got it so fast < 1362193114 491690 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to the short pipelines and ultra short propagation delays < 1362193136 983545 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen 2 cycle latency addition yet but I bet they'll eventually do that < 1362193156 424189 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bulldozer is 6 cycle latency, 4 cycle inverse throughput for the same, I think, if I'm reading this right < 1362193160 918145 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok maybe not) < 1362193172 220128 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :64x64 multiply isn't very useful < 1362193192 619238 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's useful for arbitrary precision multiplies? < 1362193200 320026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if FPGA programming software will run on a VM image which has CentOS? < 1362193213 628921 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. the K10 was 4/2, but the high 64 bits had an extra cycle of latency < 1362193235 125492 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1362193275 835810 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : I don't think arbitrary precision code is very useful < 1362193283 53270 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was the topic though... :< < 1362193289 721780 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's what the adox/adcx were for or something < 1362193299 662901 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in cryptography and mathematics applications < 1362193321 582330 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that, 32bits solves like everything < 1362193331 150625 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except >4gb memory < 1362193352 752352 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Multiplication is asymptotically log(n) < 1362193368 583866 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :schonhage-strassen in hardware let's do it < 1362193381 569583 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need to use about n^2 of circuit area or something < 1362193419 651801 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather have them use more circuit area for 32bit float :D < 1362193492 720255 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :32bit float isn't very useful < 1362193497 681515 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1362193533 497851 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :audio processing these days is essentially a mountain of 32bit float dude < 1362193541 714724 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants more circuit area for 16-bit int? <.< < 1362193554 454098 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you use 16 bit int for < 1362193554 799557 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the pipeline is only there for feeding in 32bit floats < 1362193583 868015 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's like, a really good size for stuff where you don't need much range or precision < 1362193594 217136 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for 3d games, they're a mountain of floats < 1362193609 890774 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: why not just use 32bit registers for the 16bit ints? < 1362193624 114494 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant simd... < 1362193653 612932 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use 64bit floats for the 32bit floats < 1362193681 792440 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet : that's what the fpu does (except using 80 bits) < 1362193725 73602 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's only x87... < 1362193729 883441 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1362193758 242313 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :16 bit packed int makes sense for SIMD units yeah < 1362193773 732059 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and video game audio in particular < 1362193803 530427 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i wonder what madbr's day job is < 1362193805 797804 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's super useful for image stuff, like for resizing an image with 8-bit pixels, 16-bit intermediates are sorta good enough < 1362193825 972161 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : right < 1362193829 784870 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike : :D < 1362193904 979666 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably something incredibly cool <.< < 1362193924 389799 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever i think of audio processing i just think of analog ones though, which is silly < 1362193961 158199 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean like analog opamp based amplifiers? < 1362193972 773123 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362193981 734208 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's okay, everyone knows analog sounds better < 1362193992 777168 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably because the only digital audio things i've fucked with consciously imitated synthesizer programming < 1362194013 103676 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet : ahahahahahah < 1362194031 532069 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know madbr i think jafet might be interested in your goat < 1362194147 434586 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah tbh the basic audio processing is essentially emulating a digital sampler < 1362194169 915049 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like the perfect thing for generating audio off a CPU < 1362194208 871898 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362195450 90006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362195723 502144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: good evening < 1362196159 711185 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362196636 125462 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1362196771 24351 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362197624 857120 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How difficult is it to port SDL to other computers? < 1362197739 606938 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1362197743 160091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, how do you deal with it if some of the keys have symbols that are not available in Unicode? < 1362197743 310219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or even control keys that are not available in SDL? < 1362197746 875002 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362197854 134993 :TheColonial!~oj@unaffiliated/thecolonial QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362199032 916031 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362199258 57727 :muqayil!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cwcfcmyuyqjhgaei NICK :upgrayedddd < 1362200597 264543 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362200605 173518 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1362200630 328303 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362202009 187363 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Chrome. When I google LLAP, I do not expect you to autocomplete it to llapingachos < 1362202028 441037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worst part is it didn't offer a link for what I originally typed < 1362202040 940488 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh pancakes < 1362202047 798392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because the autocompletion was in the address bar, not Google's decision after seeing the original < 1362202795 165998 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1362202853 194240 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to change the settings to fix all of those things? < 1362202885 135317 :md_5!~md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362203390 984000 :md_5!~md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1362203472 88128 :md_5!~md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362204814 41687 :upgrayedddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cwcfcmyuyqjhgaei NICK :abumirqaan < 1362205163 149103 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362205375 650650 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't i find goddamn mersenne twister test vectors < 1362205574 485982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need a mersenne twister test vectors? < 1362205582 939094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Wikipedia has some? < 1362205822 697293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i have implemented mersenne twister and want to make sure i've done so correctly < 1362205846 878045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have found some files on the website, now to verify that they implement the version of the algorithm that i implemented < 1362207407 238355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what'd you implement it for < 1362207425 260318 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because fuck that law of cryptography, man. < 1362207438 542759 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which law? < 1362207452 344121 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The one that says you shouldn't implement crypto things yourself because you'll fuck it up. < 1362207455 364280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the law applies when you're trying to break other people's bad cryptography. < 1362207471 423432 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh is that what kmc's doing? < 1362207522 842598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1362207545 914620 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it would fit with his usual predelictions. < 1362207561 921090 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either that or maybe he just wanted to Mersenne it up. Nuthin wrong with that. < 1362207584 746964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any situation wher eyou want to use a mersenne twister in cryptography, anyway? < 1362207844 986983 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1362207857 32985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of hate the mythology around crypto < 1362207870 186218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though hate people who do their own crypto and refuse to admit they don't know enough to more < 1362207895 578733 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't enough to more? < 1362208145 983133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course the lisper can't figure out where the parens go < 1362208152 899803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imagine I spat after saying "lisper". possibly before as well) < 1362208156 270626 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362208178 865333 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously can't understand you though. < 1362208206 358804 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. "Though, hate people who do their own crypto (and refuse to admit they don't know enough to) more" < 1362208209 373137 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a genius. < 1362208668 622652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wait wait Bike is a lisper? < 1362208685 204252 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, elliott already drowned me in his saliva, so now I'm a ghost. < 1362208693 830820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how could you < 1362208719 947105 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It happens when your trachea is interrupted for long periods. Sorry? < 1362209020 806772 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362209681 938957 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-43.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362209795 757961 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1362209864 963995 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362210212 729570 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362211548 643056 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362211548 834004 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1362211548 834348 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1362211749 267191 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-43.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362211755 123516 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1362213089 535554 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua NICK :Euphemism < 1362213353 765929 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362213616 511381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the resonant frequency of a magic spell to make anti-magic field in Dungeons&Dragons game? < 1362213653 885893 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :11.975 MHz < 1362213662 98669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'm doing the puzzles where you're told to implement bad crypto and then break it < 1362213671 831172 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1362213684 494004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to do them, email sean@matasano.com < 1362213699 124578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not, like, a web page about it or anything < 1362213711 467323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you email him and he gives you some crypto puzzles < 1362213718 383974 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i saw earlier. < 1362213766 631653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does everyone get the same ones < 1362213778 775227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL that you can reconstruct the internal state of a mersenne twister from 634 consecutive outputs < 1362213786 853526 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the last puzzle, elliott. < 1362213790 624366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and thus predict every output it's going to give after that < 1362213794 338316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think so, don't really know < 1362213820 713998 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Anything you can do with nonconsecutive (if you don't know how many times it fired between your samples)? < 1362213851 997442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Oh, I'd heard that before. < 1362213854 326004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can guess how many times < 1362213865 460004 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that's because it's not a secure PRNG, right? < 1362213865 802377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there probably are fancy things you can do as well < 1362213867 949588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't know them < 1362213870 374965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION should finish the last one of this set... < 1362213879 416389 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah it doesn't have a great distribution either iirc < 1362213880 648899 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i would put the causality the other direction but yes < 1362213897 544865 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if the design goal had been to make it a secure PRNG, then it wouldn't have this property. < 1362213911 91171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causality is a lie anyway. < 1362213932 298850 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if then -> causality, nice < 1362213935 502155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know things about modal logic? < 1362213948 478905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the authors are quite clear on the fact that it shouldn't be used for crypto as-is < 1362213951 687677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but people do it < 1362213962 148043 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, really? < 1362213969 499761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, people use rand() for crypto and don't know or care what algo it is, and it's often MT < 1362213970 150671 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't there simpler secure PRNGs? < 1362213980 639514 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh :< < 1362213985 54676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rand() is the best RNG. < 1362213985 314160 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me of one of knuth's exercises < 1362213985 636361 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense, just blindly using rand() < 1362214002 562495 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was just "look up how your installation's supposed CSPRNG and be horrified" < 1362214005 565191 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrks* < 1362214041 718377 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: I am aware that modal logic exists. < 1362214042 291635 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that be /dev/urandom? < 1362214067 706151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i know a small bit about linear temporal logic < 1362214086 465830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a talk about model-checking once! < 1362214088 207923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, twice. < 1362214116 914459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned a little bit about LTL and that other one. < 1362214117 818710 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CTL? < 1362214130 822307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not CTL*. < 1362214310 884122 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362214607 700077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's CTL for < 1362215068 419808 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what security properties exactly would be meant by "secure PRNG" < 1362215086 949100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it would be the same thing as a stream cipher < 1362215129 270442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :got to sleep though, ttyl all < 1362215144 324246 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cryptographically_secure_pseudorandom_number_generator ? < 1362215179 832586 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "can't use it as part of an attack" as a property :) < 1362215277 724349 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could just use an lcg. live fast die hard < 1362215318 141299 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lcg_3d.gif ~ < 1362215548 548722 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RANDU "It is widely considered to be one of the most ill-conceived random number generators designed. " < 1362215572 77327 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :knuth's intro in taocp was funny < 1362215587 821148 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he started off with a generator that consisted of him throwing arbitrarily picked operations together, as an undergrad < 1362215590 823542 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that's random right" < 1362215686 86179 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1362215718 857647 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that subtlety that "rand()%1000" is not actually an unbiased way to pick a number in [0,1000) < 1362215738 610149 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362215743 663174 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We guarantee that each number is random individually, but we don't guarantee that more than one of them is random." < 1362215768 232636 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora, well, clearly you should rejigger your application to make that 1024! < 1362215791 8191 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1362215818 707280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's solution sounds good to me. < 1362215825 293188 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other day I was using rand() to do a memory timing benchmark thing (like, relaly simple, just randomly accessing elements in a giant array and timing each one) < 1362215828 470719 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just alter rand_max to be a power of 1000 < 1362215832 353643 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so easy < 1362215840 806702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative: Generate a random number < 1000000, and then take that % 1000 < 1362215843 964578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the term is "monoidal" < 1362215856 63436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran it on the hardware I was testing and it looked right, but then I ran it on my computer and it didn't seem to ever hit RAM < 1362215859 339808 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I then realized < 1362215871 680610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the thing I was testing, RAND_MAX was INT_MAX or so < 1362215875 861208 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on my computer it was 65535 >.> < 1362215885 824139 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pff < 1362215888 116449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: How do you talk about unions categorically? < 1362215917 655807 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :union is a morphism on Set, I suppose? < 1362215956 391941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Morphism? < 1362215993 599844 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nanomachines? < 1362215996 306155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you talk about cartesian products, you say that for any two objects A and B there's an object AxB such that blah blah. < 1362216043 479733 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that categorical? < 1362216055 68036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, the blah blah? < 1362216060 237626 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds pretty standard, in that i can fill in the "blah blah" < 1362216062 474199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of CT sounds that way. < 1362216072 522180 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was category theory i wouldn't understand it, you see. < 1362216105 989866 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they have certain properties such as associativity. < 1362216117 518911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the definition looks like this: < 1362216140 195124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://thefirstscience.org/images/Figure%20B4%20Arrow%20Theoreci%20Represnation%20of%20Product.png < 1362216150 919337 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now we're talkin'. < 1362216164 154657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular the diagram on the right. < 1362216202 87744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given two sets, A and B, you have a product (AxB,pi_1 : AxB -> A,pi_2 : AxB -> B) < 1362216214 198902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. the object, and an arrow from the object to each of A and B < 1362216217 562450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So far so good? < 1362216220 862635 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Arrow means function.) < 1362216222 500995 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1362216255 242260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are lots of things that behave that way, though. < 1362216255 836167 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a pedagogy thing, is that why you're doing this < 1362216268 985620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to be pedagogued? < 1362216279 636939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: shachaf just asks people questions and then fills in all the details until they know as much as him, at which point they are obligated to figure out the answer. < 1362216287 32226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun learning about category theory < 1362216290 663333 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i do, i'd jst appreciate some warning, like elliott just gave. < 1362216303 263726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Hey, you do it too! < 1362216305 525114 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, yes, coproduct, generalized abstract nonsense as they say. < 1362216307 579223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I learned about all this nonsense because of you. < 1362216318 806496 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you call the pies projections. < 1362216353 461494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Bike is optimally qualified here. < 1362216357 294405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Actually what you do is ask a question and then keep bugging me about it until I know all the details. < 1362216368 637072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my approach is more effective I think < 1362216370 100204 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm such a troglodyte I think of this in such horrible ways as tagged unions. < 1362216375 401471 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am doomed. < 1362216387 568893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Nothing wrong with that? < 1362216397 972705 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :P. sure everything I think is wrong. < 1362216413 357101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think of monoids? < 1362216432 969937 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're cool. < 1362216456 109129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(psst the correct answer is easy.) < 1362216462 956045 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? < 1362216485 796649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What do you think of monoids? < 1362216501 877313 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You already asked that. < 1362216525 640885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but now you know the answer. < 1362216543 539595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll take it as "Bike doesn't want to learn about products". < 1362216550 979528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora wnats to learn about products? < 1362216643 732423 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just, it's time I should be sleeping, I'm supposed to be reading a paper about throwing things, and then suddenly question phrased in such a way that I can't tell if I'm supposed to actually explain it to someone who doesn't know. < 1362216659 816888 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I actually have no idea. < 1362216679 103999 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About unions? I was guessing that they're not that useful to category theory really < 1362216746 40634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking maybe not but surely there's a way to talk about them somehow? < 1362216750 587836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe as pullbacks? < 1362216813 187169 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why I guessed you wanted to talk about set unions in a category theory way, rather than try to generalize set unions appropriately as that didn't seem possible < 1362216930 523069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Oh, is it just equalizers and coequalizers or something? < 1362216946 765279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, no. < 1362216965 439533 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did somebody say category theory < 1362217016 237044 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you can go back to sleep < 1362217026 402201 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1362217036 78339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: So how do you talk about unions in a categorical way? < 1362217110 451258 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about the colimit of some functor omega->Set????????? < 1362217139 666160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega? < 1362217139 816216 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess thats a union of infinite inclusions tho hm < 1362217148 273339 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah you know the ordinal number!!!! < 1362217162 175334 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we pretend it's a category by writing out all the smaller ordinals and connecting them with arrows < 1362217170 457457 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1362217378 723249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it is just a coëqualizer. < 1362217441 898246 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfff maybe < 1362217480 854714 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember how i said i don't know ct yet!!!! < 1362217481 875189 :xandgate!~paul@pD952079D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1362217517 328241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: That was ages ago. < 1362217523 292350 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's looking increasingly less likely that category theory is a thing that is knowable < 1362217535 496334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You said you would read Mac Lane? < 1362217540 348304 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :according to ncatlab you want a "coherent category", whatever that is < 1362217546 172033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Also what's with all the question marks and exclamation marks and things? < 1362217555 27524 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an unreachable platonic ideal of unreachable platonic ideals < 1362217567 110758 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im slowly reading mac lane whenever im waiting for things to happen < 1362217576 247592 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which things < 1362217577 192426 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im hoping it seeps in before i forget it < 1362217595 782958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: A terminal object in the category of platonic ideals? < 1362217598 539333 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i learned all about colimits and limits < 1362217601 737623 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unions of completely arbitrary sets make sense only in material set theory, where their existence is guaranteed by the axiom of union. In structural set theory, unions of arbitrary sets can generally be replaced by disjoint unions." yeah that would make sense < 1362217602 34846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe in the category of cones or something. < 1362217617 468418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Those are pretty great, right? < 1362217623 627074 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, yeah, < 1362217643 683086 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad structuralist set theory has nothing to do with post-structuralism < 1362217659 486802 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only we had a lacan for category theory < 1362217688 696155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1362217730 149950 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway unions are dumb and i'll concern myself no further with them < 1362217740 395282 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See. < 1362217747 688593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The pullback of A -> AunionB <- B is AintersectB? < 1362217758 11299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the obvious functions. < 1362217773 532874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the pushout of A <- AintersectB -> B is AunionB? < 1362217953 85514 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: ockeghem < 1362217994 768524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Categories are the dumb one. < 1362217996 733585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unions are good. < 1362218036 186335 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q.when did you go off the deep end < 1362218047 670238 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“metaphorically speaking„ < 1362218089 756031 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Which end is the deep one? < 1362218103 341291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Category theory is so pointless even mathematicians don't like it. < 1362218132 266060 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes!! < 1362218139 739163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know the wiles proof of FLT involvted categories???? i learned this yeterday on wikipedaije < 1362218153 609863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Involuted categories? That soudns scary. < 1362218213 851381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories: Galois theoryFermat's last theorem < 1362218222 190312 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good categories < 1362218397 921762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: should i read _master and margarita_ < 1362218472 435514 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats's that < 1362218494 716473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a b∞k < 1362218513 220629 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright < 1362218520 774842 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :b∞ks are c∞l < 1362218525 666598 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought maybe you heard of it < 1362218600 499196 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear it's a fantastic farce mysticism romance satire < 1362218636 679012 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're russian right < 1362218663 428045 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿ < 1362218692 24193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for the purpose of this channel < 1362218700 15100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not "really" < 1362218716 21383 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿¿¿ < 1362218761 344633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you saying you aren't even russian……… < 1362218816 142437 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :????????????????‽ < 1362218844 390306 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. what was that ctcp about < 1362218952 198820 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. what's this russian stuff about. why would i be russian. < 1362218961 52087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because then you would know about this book < 1362219024 990243 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362219088 788160 :xandgate!~paul@pD952079D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de PART :#esoteric < 1362219099 984988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also lots of people are russian? < 1362219115 282234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :millions < 1362219138 164990 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i hear < 1362219146 833360 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i also hear lots of people aren't russian < 1362219151 767453 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you believe it < 1362219170 350293 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really… < 1362219193 62584 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362219260 243791 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: have you considered just becoming russian < 1362219387 325179 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's so simple < 1362219746 875822 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362219990 759303 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://code.google.com/p/zopfli/ < 1362220020 882596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like the types in C to have default signed/unsigned, and I think it would be better that if it is not specified, that each operation might be signed or unsigned depending on the computer and on the optimization. < 1362220028 937484 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How hard can it be to type umlauts. < 1362220080 111892 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It depends on your computer. < 1362220601 93369 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362221045 889803 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362221145 218636 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362221145 368044 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362221145 368134 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362221797 692101 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362221838 29751 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362221841 394204 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362223727 772441 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362224470 207401 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362224470 842694 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362224631 188270 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362224731 398088 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362225032 865221 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362225484 626628 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362226686 794563 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362226992 948172 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :eeeek < 1362227036 760777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug nooga < 1362227037 271023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1362227059 546744 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Forbidden < 1362227071 949980 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric ::C < 1362227079 460479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you're not allowed to receive hugs. < 1362227082 457276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry. < 1362227082 711735 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nooga < 1362227088 189690 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga hate OS X. NOOGA SMASH. < 1362227094 556246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh nooga < 1362227097 11811 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :noohga hahte OhS X. NOOhGA SMAhSH. < 1362227099 865549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/\?* < 1362227101 827230 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | tr A-Z a-z | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic"; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1"; \ else echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; < 1362227106 180556 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er < 1362227106 905844 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/\?* < 1362227109 320011 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/? \ bin/?h \ bin/?hh < 1362227114 645986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's ?r ?! < 1362227156 501599 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn nooga hate OS X. NOOGA SMASH. Hug not allowed. < 1362227171 300736 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1362227179 447349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?h shachaf < 1362227182 852489 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachahf sprø sohm selleri and cosplayhs Nepeta Leijohn ohn weekends. < 1362227197 338278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just on weekends? < 1362227323 275205 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :F < 1362227325 796804 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently sprø som selleri is a book about a psychologist making jokes (or whatever tuller means): http://www.pax.no/index.php?ID=Bok&counter=1103 < 1362227357 100562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan what is sprø som selleri < 1362227357 726246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362227363 73971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask oerjan (THX) < 1362227363 646304 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362227388 650171 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :crunchy like celery < 1362227497 319517 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate celery < 1362227502 701509 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate OS X < 1362227527 463144 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, part of the book deals with archaic psychiatric treatments, like veal blood transfusions and scabies inplantation < 1362227531 734013 :Euphemism!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua NICK :fftw < 1362227621 308306 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and centrifugueing or however you say that (centrifusion?) < 1362227865 857743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anomaly: Uncaught exception Invalid_argument("List.combine"). Please report. < 1362227867 240360 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sigh < 1362228022 964643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that coq < 1362228079 349135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362228122 521573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: Found a matching with no clauses on a term unknown to have an empty < 1362228123 15481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :inductive type. < 1362228127 734533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq's grammar is weird < 1362228308 271775 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362231334 249391 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1362231401 998181 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1362231625 586781 :mekeor!~user@dslb-094-216-096-030.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362232053 46620 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362232199 460572 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362232338 901926 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362232439 495149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1362232440 666336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In fact, when compared to Garamond, which wasnt originally designed for the screen, Comic Sans fares quite well in terms of readability." < 1362232446 751691 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Without anti-aliasing) < 1362232450 856728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kadavy.net/blog/posts/why-you-hate-comic-sans/ < 1362232500 423881 :cantcode2!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Quit: ragequit < 1362232992 403347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Without ant-aliasing, fonts look jagged as if they were made of LEGOS." < 1362232995 766055 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i detest this man < 1362233741 61271 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just silly, you can do anti-aliasing with legos < 1362234138 742031 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362234644 99149 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362235037 891650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to be AFK most of the day. < 1362235042 729358 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heading to a friend's house. < 1362235661 335121 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, have a Worlds mirror http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/2478/67591116.png < 1362235681 348764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it surreally horrifying < 1362235691 388864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1362235699 169835 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm inclined to disagree < 1362235716 170125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Phantom_Hoover is scared of mirrors. < 1362235736 874959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm scared of giant clinical body modification panels < 1362235786 659499 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This... reminds me of Second Life < 1362235799 84074 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Second Life doesn't have mirrors :( < 1362235799 926405 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let me guess < 1362235806 29462 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Club" at the bottom right is for wild deviant sex < 1362235815 104891 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Animal House" is also for that, except it's furries < 1362235829 658078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my tutor is big into second life < 1362235831 936808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1362235850 354841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, Worlds mirrors are portals that have horizonal flipped. < 1362235854 386265 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those things are always weird < 1362235867 825157 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worlds has portals. This is an awesome thing. < 1362235895 81391 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which I was supposed to do portal rendering in webgl < 1362235917 729524 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I got bored when I couldn't find any good scenes to try it on. You sort of need an interesting scene with enough details and texturing to make it look interesting. < 1362235921 113303 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I suck at 3D modeling badly. < 1362235924 745730 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a thin transparent wall in front to prevent people from accidentally walking into the mirror and ending up upside-down. < 1362235933 787972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you may now resume being terrified of Worlds mirrors. < 1362235982 35174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something that irks me: i'm not sure all those impossible geometries you can build with portals are actually non-euclidean like everyone says < 1362236094 86079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since their curvature is still everywhere zero < 1362236124 185200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's a thing with a better body modification panel: http://25.media.tumblr.com/ea771a7c7328a138ded50bdca0fadd89/tumblr_miwphxRb4L1ruytnho1_1280.png < 1362236134 112157 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362236141 218197 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you define euclidean geometry again < 1362236152 665603 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_geometry#Axioms anything that satisfies these? < 1362236183 389136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think so < 1362236195 355030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that's on the wall that you can partially see in the mirror reads < 1362236203 8449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Gallery of Metamorphics" < 1362236306 332493 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://virkkunen.net/b/portals.png well here's a thing that doesn't satisfy the "parallel postulate" < 1362236313 606739 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in 2D) < 1362236329 265714 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those two black lines should meet each other because they're not parallel, yet they never do due to those two portals. < 1362236335 431138 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Infinite lines, thatis < 1362236441 613533 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're in a 3d world and can see yourself because of portals, is the world still possibly Euclidean, or would it violate a postulate < 1362236468 445498 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a maze like that below Animal House < 1362236474 78934 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-> How do you define euclidean geometry again < 1362236474 265834 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euclidean_geometry#Axioms anything that satisfies these? < 1362236488 150646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but it gets more complicated once you start working with arbitrary spaces < 1362236499 210764 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Can you go into a portal from the back? And then emerge from the back of the other portal? < 1362236519 471746 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well the first axiom is pretty solid in any dimension right? < 1362236527 264856 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ability to draw a straight line from any point to any point < 1362236533 974758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, the only thing you ever really care about is the parallel postulate < 1362236544 480678 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, no, although you can have back-to-back portals that work like that, I think < 1362236591 156402 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyways we'd have to define what happens when an infinite ray hits the back of a portal then < 1362236606 808646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's also more complicated notions of 'locally euclidean' spaces and such < 1362236636 36722 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it goes through and emerges from the back of the other portal, or magically "stops" there, in both cases you can violate the first axiom < 1362236642 203067 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the ability to draw a straight line between two points < 1362236662 342749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and essentially in that diagram you drew, at almost all points you can take a set around them where geometry is euclidean < 1362236707 890951 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you didn't say locally euclidean < 1362236731 588382 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we just take any subspace that doesn't include the portals then obviously it's euclidean because that's how we defined (assumed?) it to be when not dealing with portals < 1362236744 895551 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-, lines that enter the back of a portal leave at the same portal, they ignore the portal < 1362236749 129081 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Portals in Worlds are one-sided < 1362236752 595053 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They go through it? < 1362236765 942234 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362236769 510076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As though it wasn't there < 1362236885 333030 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://virkkunen.net/b/portals2.png here < 1362236892 86778 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The red arrow is you < 1362236903 27692 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can see your back via the portals < 1362236909 149457 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now try to draw a straight line from A to B < 1362236947 213288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can draw a line from B to A but not A to B.... how does that even make sense. < 1362236966 286459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think directionaless of portals confuses the lack of direction of lines < 1362237004 427934 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure Euclid would be turning in his grave if we told him that a space where A to B is not the same as B to A is Euclidean < 1362237023 327754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, i think essentially what you have done is made it stop being a metric space < 1362237033 604977 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :But of course you can construct something that's Euclidean enough even with portals < 1362237035 554522 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://virkkunen.net/b/portals3.png < 1362237047 83078 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There. The most useless portal ever. < 1362237049 438812 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hopelessly ruins the obvious topology < 1362237071 529013 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Disclaimer for all above: I don't know math terminology properly < 1362237146 642606 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a metric space is just one with a sufficiently sensible notion of distance between two points < 1362237146 806461 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think in most Worlds rooms that portals are set against walls < 1362237164 360597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the conditions of sensibility is that d(a,b) = d(b,a) < 1362237224 228011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that maze, a one-way hallway wouldn't be made with the one-directionality of portals < 1362237243 708910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd hook up portal A in room A to portal B in room B, but portal B in room B would not be hooked up to portal A < 1362237300 323374 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you see if you walk through a portal backwards < 1362237319 921512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You go to where that portal is hooked up to < 1362237324 379707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just walking backwards into it < 1362237354 56049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you should try one of the spy rooms in Worlds < 1362237372 125436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're worlds that are like the normal worlds, except a spy room where you can see people and they can't see you < 1362237385 705683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Walk into the regular area and you won't be able to get back into the spy room < 1362237459 765969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without teleporting back in, I mean) < 1362237470 267227 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should see if Worlds works on WINE < 1362237478 684715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not today. I have a friend to visit. < 1362238276 518792 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oeis 1,23,467,9355 < 1362238277 434046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sequence not found. < 1362238606 876751 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362243076 902380 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362243090 794772 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362243893 860068 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362244581 45537 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362244709 743742 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362244786 78733 :cantcode!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362246934 369529 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362247392 202126 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1362247909 586697 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362247920 777758 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here does verilog? < 1362248151 884714 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362248152 75168 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362248152 75326 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362249778 469581 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've done some vhdl, not verilog though < 1362249800 14211 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think I dont remember much atm :D < 1362249905 271620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very high drug lover < 1362249945 806987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i know about verilog / vhdl is the extreme level of copy-pasta < 1362249950 90568 :cantcode!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362249972 714895 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362249980 175080 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing around with a cpu design < 1362250038 285124 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did a tiny bit of verilog but that was the class I dropped < 1362250058 277652 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 244 seconds < 1362250097 612131 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to do something where a C compiler could vectorize more or less automatically < 1362250107 99630 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362250130 498209 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362250318 501357 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the concept I have is what I'd call "staggered SIMD" < 1362250340 588220 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is somewhere between standard SIMD, superscalar and out of order... < 1362250382 468884 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially instead of doing every SIMD slice operation on the same cycle, the first slice is done on cycle 1, second slice on cycle 2, etc... < 1362250395 425100 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can do stuff like real SIMD memory loads < 1362250417 466084 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since you do the load in unit 1 on first cycle, unit 2 on second cycle, etc...) < 1362250431 238985 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are special feedback registers < 1362250435 165290 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that like, the same thing as a pipelined CPU? < 1362250456 101019 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's pipelining different iterations of the same routine < 1362250477 905898 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unit 1 is running iteration 1, unit 2 is running iteration 2... < 1362250481 983994 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought CPUs already do that... < 1362250504 734605 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so actually it's like you're going though your loop 4 or 8 times at the same time < 1362250516 244796 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the ARM instruction "load multiple" loads a bunch of registers (2 per cycle) from memory, and every cycle, another 2 are available for use < 1362250520 545369 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1362250522 198290 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362250538 586608 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: yeah that's an example < 1362250606 252943 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to space your memory load instructions tho < 1362250607 377005 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1362250622 654791 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that does anything except save code size though...? < 1362250626 181945 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you're running 5 units at the same time < 1362250631 311609 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to do < 1362250639 156677 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[mem op] [alu] [alu] [alu] [alu] [mem op] [alu] [alu] [alu] [alu] [mem op] [alu] [alu] [alu] [alu] ... < 1362250696 63733 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you already have to do that on in-order CPUs with multi-issue... < 1362250714 701313 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do that yeah but it's not the same kind of multi-issue < 1362250739 279312 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION doesn't understand the idea then, sorry < 1362250746 67717 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOO cpus fill the pipelines with different alu ops that are near by < 1362250756 343166 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362250765 146285 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you have a routine that's < 1362250776 128492 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :load r1, r8 < 1362250785 941510 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :add r1, #14 < 1362250798 77308 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant non-OOE things < 1362250799 298341 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shr r1, #2 < 1362250809 980117 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :add r1, #1 < 1362250813 300757 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the atom has dual-issue but no OOE, so you have to write instructions in a way that they can pair < 1362250817 119420 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :store r1, r8 < 1362250841 177028 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :add r8, #4 < 1362250869 287412 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jge r8, r9, loopend < 1362250872 678492 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :j loop < 1362250884 746920 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're using 4 units < 1362250906 292037 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first cycle, units 2..4 are doing nops < 1362250917 601072 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first unit does load r1, r8 < 1362250928 918470 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that looks just like a normal pipelined CPU... I'm confused < 1362250934 66854 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, second cycle < 1362250935 247158 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(without OOE) < 1362250944 104105 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rirst unit does add r1, #14 < 1362250950 356201 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as expected < 1362250958 249498 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :second unit does load r1, r8 < 1362250972 927548 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but load r1, r8 has already been done... < 1362250987 296871 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they're different copies of r1, r8 < 1362251008 541399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, this is a special case in which you have a bunch of loop iterations which are completely independent? < 1362251009 182989 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially the second unit is already starting the second iteration of the loop < 1362251021 231269 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think OOE already does that < 1362251036 976600 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, modern CPUs with big reorder buffers can be running 15 iterations of a loop at a time < 1362251046 927364 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OOE doesn't do that, it reorders nearby instructions < 1362251055 39465 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... that's... not quite what it does... < 1362251074 299437 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it keeps dispatching instructions until one of the queues fills, preventing it from doing so, I think < 1362251081 246063 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, on a p2, eventually it's running multiple iterations at the same time yes < 1362251082 372950 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1362251089 483413 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does it locally really < 1362251091 106417 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like in one bit of code I wrote I have a loop that does two loads, an average, and a store < 1362251102 624878 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this loop manages to fill the entire load queue, so that's where it stops issuing < 1362251104 63617 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you had a 300 instruction routine < 1362251111 179709 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your iterations wouldn't overlap < 1362251156 92170 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it had 300 instructions it could probably do something else in those 300 instructions... < 1362251161 768301 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1362251175 711159 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if the iterations are independent, you can just write the code a bit differently to let OOE do things better? :< < 1362251183 48179 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, unrolling < 1362251196 394817 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrolling isn't very beneficial in OOO < 1362251218 580173 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps if the loop is super gigantic and has a long dependency chain and the OOE buffer doesn't reach into the next iteration, I think? < 1362251219 483292 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIMD (SSE, MMX, NEON, Altivec) kinda helps < 1362251225 459488 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like your 300 example... < 1362251241 148751 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but your routine has to be very paralellizable and most of the time the compiler can't guess I think < 1362251257 20161 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soooo write the simd yourself silly :P < 1362251270 340654 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on p2 unrolling only saves like the cmp and jmp < 1362251289 871686 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... but unrolling is useful if it lets the execution unit get more parallelism... < 1362251299 428936 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362251311 356951 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's really only worth it if your loop is really small < 1362251317 720939 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like 8 instructions or less < 1362251336 355257 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it's like 8 instructions or less OOE can look ahead to the next iteration just fine o_O < 1362251341 200423 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't need to unroll... < 1362251384 466920 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's like the other way around < 1362251399 928194 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the 300 example you're less likely to get dependency chains < 1362251430 847103 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but.... you just said the iterations were independent... < 1362251433 252961 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION lost < 1362251465 948384 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you'll have result to result dependency chains within the routine but in fact both the compiler and the CPU can analyze that stuff and reorder everything if there aren't too many memory accesses < 1362251514 545222 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a 8 instruction loop your writes and reads will be very close together and it will probably be hard to "prove" that the reads don't depend on the writes < 1362251541 523371 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like you didn't overlap the read and write buffer addresses on purpose < 1362251564 320029 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cpu does speculative loads and stores though < 1362251571 844810 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if it turns out that things did overlap it will re-issue them < 1362251593 610574 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to see how they do that :D < 1362251594 875602 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is all far too practical < 1362251601 124180 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik it's freakishly complex < 1362251614 748406 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :half an hour of relatively on-topic discussion and nobody's mentioned turing even once < 1362251615 14524 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best way to bring a C program to a screaming halt < 1362251629 415058 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turn off the computer < 1362251631 10003 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they do it just by issuing them in advance and then going and redoing it if they were wrong XD < 1362251642 258686 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantom : that's what you're trying to avoid < 1362251655 875757 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing?? < 1362251660 375090 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing is when your result influence each other tightly and you can do everything < 1362251665 527534 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that I know, like, hardware details but < 1362251685 612699 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these machines are only pushdown automata, Phantom_Hoover `-` < 1362251687 420844 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it breaks all optimizations since you can't reorder everything and everything has effects on everything else :D < 1362251726 491029 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jumps and memory accesses are hell < 1362251752 246868 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay the benchmark worked < 1362251753 56338 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : for( int i = 0; i < 128; i++ ) < 1362251753 919606 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : sum += i * i * i * i * i * i; < 1362251771 931458 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this loop takes 770 cycles on my machine, so it's doing 1 multiply every cycle < 1362251775 53050 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they prevent the C++ optimizer from doing its job < 1362251777 435611 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but each iteration is completely latency bound < 1362251786 949716 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it has to be looking ahead at least 6 iterations in order to get that. < 1362251798 942609 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, at least 3 iterations, since imul is latency 3 < 1362251828 781814 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't have memory loads inside the loop so the compiler can deal with it :D < 1362251838 356085 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, let's test that then :3 < 1362251860 417515 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can save a mul actually < 1362251879 944060 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for(int i=0; i<128; i++) < 1362251880 586709 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ < 1362251887 906131 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :temp = i*i; < 1362251893 328812 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sum += i*i*i; < 1362251893 977112 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1362251907 617639 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I wasn't trying to optimize it XD < 1362251923 941664 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think gcc can do that optim but not other compilers actually < 1362251929 149905 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: er don't you need to multiply by temp < 1362251930 291237 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(automatically) < 1362251945 422257 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: errr, yeah, sorry there < 1362251948 47061 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my gcc does a chain of 5 imuls < 1362251948 417935 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, duh yeah, power decomposition < 1362251953 987229 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it's an older one < 1362251967 522251 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my personal favorite possibly-NP-complete-but-who-knows problem < 1362251968 15646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okies! so, second test: < 1362251970 11415 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : for( int i = 0; i < 128; i++ ) < 1362251970 160991 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1362251970 161161 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : int in = input[i]; < 1362251970 161269 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : output[i] = in*in*in*in*in*in; < 1362251972 40160 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1362251977 309683 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this takes 754 cycles. < 1362251994 14134 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was totally latency bound it'd take at least 5*3*128 cycles. < 1362252016 561540 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{ int i2 = i*i; int i4 = i2*i2; sum += i4*i2; } < 1362252021 349701 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. lemme try it with random memory accesses >:3 < 1362252062 233981 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: quick what's the optimal chain for i^15 < 1362252062 546076 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : I think it's because the compiler can guess that input and output don't alias yes < 1362252102 652716 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler doesn't unroll the loop though... < 1362252117 257194 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: might not be worth it < 1362252119 169738 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, the compiler can't like, tell the cpu that they don't alias < 1362252123 756322 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cpu has to figure it out on its own... < 1362252142 674807 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so speculative loads actually work? :D < 1362252162 96592 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik ARMs don't have speculative loads < 1362252168 125847 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even the OOO ones < 1362252180 221437 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, even better.... < 1362252185 63840 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : for( int i = 0; i < 128; i++ ) < 1362252185 300973 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : { < 1362252185 450410 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : int off1 = randnums[i]; < 1362252185 450504 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : int off2 = randnums[i+128]; < 1362252185 450548 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : int in = input[off1]; < 1362252187 655217 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : input[off2] = in*in*in*in*in*in; < 1362252190 60365 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1362252192 559603 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this takes 782 cycles XD < 1362252201 930552 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(randums[] is an array of random numbers between 0 and 128) < 1362252235 517885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they really missed an opportunity to name the 64-bit ARM architecture "LEG" < 1362252243 63282 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pfffff* < 1362252251 461405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a la Thumb < 1362252254 894807 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Best way to bring a C program to a screaming halt? volatile int x = 0; for(volatile unsigned int i = 0; i < UINT_MAX; i++) { x = time(0) + rand(); } < 1362252263 229393 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh my gosh I I only just got that joke < 1362252267 375566 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I all this time < 1362252271 786475 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'thumb' 'ARM' < 1362252276 277278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also: ELF and DWARF < 1362252279 721187 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, volatile is your friend. < 1362252294 376322 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow . I didn't get that one either < 1362252310 245168 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :acronym naming people are horrible/wonderful < 1362252314 824146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1362252325 285365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Microprocessor without Interlocking Pipeline Stages < 1362252329 604983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't elide a "without"!! < 1362252353 390438 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love that one, it's like, almost immediately after the original they put the interlocks back in < 1362252356 697747 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362252392 177373 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: oh, so like, I made it so all the randnums were zero (so it always aliased) < 1362252395 577247 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it takes 1981 cycles < 1362252401 953065 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahahah right < 1362252411 633208 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if all the randnums are [0,2), it takes 1649 < 1362252414 442903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh, you mean to get rid of the load/store delay slots? < 1362252416 562363 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aliasing is evil < 1362252421 770229 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evil evil < 1362252424 42176 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0,4) it's 1053 < 1362252435 551985 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[0,8) it's 919 < 1362252453 320261 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically the cpu is speculatively executing many iterations ahead, and it has to stop and wait if it turns out the loads and stores collided < 1362252454 21105 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah that's impressive < 1362252454 332683 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are interlocks the same thing as bypasses < 1362252477 252783 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummmm I was just reading about that the other day but didn't quite get it, let me see if I can find the wikipedia explantion < 1362252488 612561 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_RISC_pipeline#Solution_B._Pipeline_Interlock < 1362252500 357622 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are the same thing in... reverse............ right? < 1362252518 508703 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interlocks delay the pipeline when data isn't ready for an instruction, I think < 1362252525 977480 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1362252530 967407 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess not all hazards can be bypassed < 1362252593 860085 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :generally if you have an ADD then a LOAD < 1362252600 927582 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that takes 2 cycles no matter what < 1362252616 278249 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ex : address calculation < 1362252622 846688 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362252631 409466 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think like, the idea is to bypass everything you can, use delay slots where you can't (maybe), and then interlock things where you can't really or don't want to use delay slots < 1362252635 912692 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a cache miss might be an interlock? < 1362252638 265163 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like add rx, [ra + rd] will have 3 cycles latency on the result < 1362252792 197004 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Client Quit < 1362252902 894996 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362252935 676658 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think intel actually has some performance counters for cases when speculative loads need to be cancelled because an earlier store aliased it < 1362252969 294536 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a thing where a store's address is a multiple of 4K away from a load's address, they falsely alias < 1362252986 26703 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1362253003 394110 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks cache line based :D < 1362253008 129030 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that's how the pseudohash for the cache table works, probably < 1362253022 187464 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1362253175 223246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sucks < 1362253181 119569 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :won't that happen a lot < 1362253189 121176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you are copying between aligned arrays < 1362253259 190481 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously you need to make sure that the arrays are aligned "but not too much" < 1362253264 717972 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's generally good to avoid having things offset by *exactly* that multiple < 1362253277 614380 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like. don't make the stride of your array 2048 or 4096 XD < 1362253288 170111 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will tend to produce cacheline colocations yes < 1362253297 891379 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of chips really dislike that < 1362253308 296038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was actually an issue in the linux kernel with bulldozer, lemme see if I can find that one < 1362253327 55984 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=amd_bulldozer_aliasing&num=1 < 1362253379 169587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I remember right, it has a 2-way instruction cache that's shared between two cores in a module < 1362253395 472762 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if the kernel allocates instruction pages wrong, it can cause aliasing issues that bounce cachelines back and forth between the cores < 1362253406 355783 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's only 2-way < 1362253613 72246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1362253672 451974 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if the cache lines were aligned to some weird number like seven words this wouldn't happen! < 1362253678 933033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something unsatisfying about using cache to provide the abstraction of fast large memory, and then having to think past that abstraction and understand the cache behavior in detail to get good performance < 1362253686 83179 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems self-defeating < 1362253690 497098 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it doesn't matter for most programs < 1362253761 953936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe for high performance stuff, we should just admit that our computers are distributed systems composed of lots of processors with small memories, talking to each other and to a big memory < 1362253793 408904 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's sorta true of everything in computing? hardware tries to provide a system that's fast in general, but the more your code is aware of the hardware, the faster it can be? < 1362253823 778656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1362253848 120025 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes it seems that you have to be not just awer of the hardware, but actively subverting the clever things it tries to do, when they are not so clever for your use case < 1362253884 181990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if i'm writing some numerical inner loop, rather than thinking hard about automatic cache behavior, i should just tell the CPU what to cache and when < 1362253892 486575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people already do this with prefetch instructions < 1362253904 523276 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess that's what Checkout is for :p < 1362253910 452125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ;P < 1362253912 727297 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardware prefetching is kinda iffy though, I think a lot of guides say not to use it except in rare cases < 1362253919 841235 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, software prefetching < 1362253924 474646 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because the hardware prefetching is really good) < 1362253927 79075 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're talking about rare cases here, aren't you < 1362253931 120065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc emits it for fairly simple loops < 1362253933 434936 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've found it really hard to make software prefetching useful < 1362253940 519392 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really o_O < 1362253953 961004 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on the -march setting yeah < 1362253980 161663 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is making checkout work on a modern cpu actually possible < 1362253994 238187 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkout? < 1362254019 841333 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google esolang checkout < 1362254021 223795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on the wiki < 1362254021 680510 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Checkout < 1362254021 830084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Checkout - Esolang < 1362254073 809067 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to remember the case i had < 1362254177 431530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362254207 58212 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"make it fast and good generally but possible to use for specific applications" is a pretty general problem for design, i guess < 1362254285 683972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love how arcane the checkout spec is < 1362254356 171179 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't even know how the hell it works < 1362254402 623594 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are all these weird behaviours that come out of nowhere < 1362254405 50055 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should have an example bf interpreter < 1362254406 226150 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like abstain/1 < 1362254441 482972 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For each argument, create a new level 5 subunit, and execute the given code. How this command works is system-dependent." beautiful < 1362254513 851260 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362254747 894801 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362254758 619536 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362254790 809442 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1362255137 143878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1362255137 770822 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 7h 43m 2s ago: what is sprø som selleri < 1362255137 920488 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf asked 7h 42m 56s ago: (THX) < 1362255160 269111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :crunchy, like celery. < 1362255182 8327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the literal meaning. < 1362255205 182424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 ctypes < 1362255222 164262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanted to test my Python Mersenne Twister against the reference C code < 1362255227 171308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ctypes made this very easy < 1362255277 775559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it lets you import any .so as a Python module basically < 1362255499 24747 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just dumps the symbol table as the list of module properties? < 1362255533 128393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1362255544 4207 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does dlsym() dynamically on access < 1362255545 781403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know which < 1362255615 469807 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bike: How do you talk about unions categorically? < 1362255629 965089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shachaf isn't here < 1362255631 239456 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1362255639 788644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1362255656 53153 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell shachaf crunchy, like celery. < 1362255656 629586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362255667 833667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_disjoint_ union is coproduct, afair. < 1362255684 398879 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but he meant not-necessarily-disjoint union. < 1362255686 215329 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ordinary union might be a pullback or pushout? < 1362255701 78983 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah he went through all that too < 1362255701 522686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pushout i guess < 1362255704 930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362255704 956452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to specify argument / return types yourself, naturally < 1362255714 366176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1362255716 962032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for small things that's no great hardship < 1362255717 964514 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturally. < 1362255730 74280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the alternative (parsing C header files?) would be cumbersome for small things < 1362255732 424119 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it coerces tuples to arrays or whatever? < 1362255743 490730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like < 1362255752 103803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it gives you helper functions to construct mutable arrays and such < 1362255758 379578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://docs.python.org/2/library/ctypes.html < 1362255766 938723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely easy to screw up using it because... it's C < 1362255789 262165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that seems more or less unavoidable < 1362255849 489524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's probably not the right answer for binding to a huge library with hundreds of functions and structs and whatever < 1362255872 562139 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Sometimes, dlls export functions with names which aren’t valid Python identifiers, like "??2@YAPAXI@Z".» dig at c++? dig at c++ < 1362255885 449895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1362255889 623393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i don't even know < 1362256160 442417 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ctypes tries to protect you from calling functions with the wrong number of arguments or the wrong calling convention. Unfortunately this only works on Windows. It does this by examining the stack after the function returns, so although an error is raised the function has been called" uh < 1362256178 165015 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are, however, enough ways to crash Python with ctypes, so you should be careful anyway." < 1362256920 467077 :hagb4rd|lounge!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362256936 80365 :hagb4rd|lounge!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1362257153 62216 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362257306 298363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1362257306 723674 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 27m 31s ago: crunchy, like celery. < 1362257311 864120 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I understood that much. < 1362257592 34902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:53:14 something that irks me: i'm not sure all those impossible geometries you can build with portals are actually non-euclidean like everyone says < 1362257595 141904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :06:55:06 since their curvature is still everywhere zero < 1362257608 644737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not think "euclidean geometry" applies to everything with zero curvature. < 1362257652 436063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :euclidean geometry basically means your space is a vector space < 1362257828 237402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :euclidean geometry also has the property that (1) it looks the same everywhere (2) has trivial fundamental group. < 1362257887 417411 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the difference is thas in a portal based one the non-euclidianity is concentrated in the portal junctions, where in other ones the non-euclidianity is spread over evenly (giving curvature) < 1362257923 600676 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your crazy portal space isn't non-euclidian locally, but globally it is < 1362257926 588940 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1362257932 374978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without (2) you can get things like befunge-like wrapping. without (1) you can probably get even more complicated things. < 1362257946 889366 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: the befunge-like wrapping has no junctions. < 1362257957 512556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a flat torus) < 1362258015 589072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it might be that (2) implies (1). < 1362258053 292002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or put differently, any space with zero curvature has euclidean space as its universal covering space. < 1362258073 522401 :mekeor!~user@dslb-094-216-096-030.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362258077 566241 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362258084 125166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_maybe_. i don't actually know this. < 1362258091 161052 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1362258098 785991 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh I'm totally out of my depth here < 1362258111 701590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362258167 716351 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if hyperbolic befunge is possible < 1362258297 981574 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd probably base it on one of these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_tilings_in_hyperbolic_plane < 1362258379 694779 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there already a space-ish language that works on R^2 that would probably be pretty easy to generalize to arbitrary manifolds < 1362258571 175531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although it's not clear to me from those kind of pictures whether the graph of connections for these tilings are really different from what you can get on a euclidean plane, without which there wouldn't be a substantial difference < 1362258582 96299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*graphs < 1362258650 636707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, hyperbolic geometry allows infinite-sided regular polygons :P < 1362258671 374446 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperbolic mapping would look something like < 1362258685 429274 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it turing complete < 1362258686 117704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would probably just give an infinite binary tree as the graph, though. < 1362258772 339436 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would look something like < 1362258772 625419 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :||||||||||||||||||||||||||| < 1362258772 799348 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| || || || || || || || || | < 1362258772 948756 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :||| |||||| |||||| ||| < 1362258772 948980 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | | || | | || | | | < 1362258772 949092 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :||||||||| ||||||||| < 1362258773 98558 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| || || | | || || | < 1362258773 795472 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :||| ||| ||| ||| < 1362258773 945013 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :| | | | | | | | < 1362258779 409779 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1362258786 90443 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where | = somwhere where it's valid to put an opcode < 1362258816 152313 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using a tiling of squares where vertexes are surrounded by 5 squares instead of 4 < 1362258817 620328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :why i am logged out of wikipedia again, maybe i forgot to tick that box yesterday. < 1362258866 467649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: i'd assume you'd put opcodes on the vertices, since the tilings are transitive in those < 1362258891 127776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the regular ones are also transitive on faces and edges < 1362258944 862017 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Befunge/index.php" oh i forgot about that < 1362259028 975848 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh why isn't there a Category:Shit That Works On Weird Spaces < 1362259068 600150 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Category:Articles With No Mention Of Brainfuck < 1362259095 860931 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't having that category mention brainfuck? < 1362259139 806647 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously the category wouldn't include itself. < 1362259154 816793 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a small category after all) < 1362259159 914468 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(;_;) < 1362259188 58777 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it says "With No Mention Of Brainfuck", not "With No Mention Of Themselves" < 1362259226 733080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Bike groaning so hard he cries? < 1362259236 540449 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362259248 249763 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4:6 would be easier to map to ascii < 1362259252 101108 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually my saline tubes are just leaky < 1362259262 100201 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :map everything to [3,2] ascii groups < 1362259264 978080 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursively < 1362259295 793348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: what's that notation from < 1362259311 940035 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the language should be composed of analytic functions. any closed path halts because the result is zero!! < 1362259314 477183 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making it up on the fly < 1362259317 997159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively, what the heck does that mean < 1362259325 980871 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1362259333 31777 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok normal space is 4:4 < 1362259340 6204 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why. how. < 1362259361 5155 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 sided, 4 corners per vertex < 1362259368 352285 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a square grid < 1362259370 903077 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362259373 698570 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4:3 is a cube < 1362259403 857905 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well the {4,4} tiling on the page i linked is euclidean, maybe that's what he means. < 1362259411 634818 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4:5 is a hyperbolic surface < 1362259440 418477 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah let's use {} instead < 1362259446 891799 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{4,3} is a cube < 1362259449 361917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: if you call those {4,3} and {4,5} you will be using the same notation as the article... right < 1362259454 45614 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{4,4} is a square grid < 1362259471 382327 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{4,5} is a huperbolic space corresponding to the pattern I pasted above < 1362259486 66580 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you have groups of 5 squares around a corner < 1362259497 326825 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you could notate as < 1362259498 477026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are all in the row number 4 (but actually second) of the regular example pictures < 1362259499 68761 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of lost as to how cutes aren't {4,8}. < 1362259499 721223 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1362259501 393487 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* * < 1362259506 37708 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cubes* < 1362259518 559821 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cubes have square faces < 1362259520 714443 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 4 < 1362259521 524372 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they have six sides? < 1362259529 482183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because each vertex has 3 edges connected < 1362259533 365090 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but they have 8 corners < 1362259543 813396 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each corner connects 3 edges < 1362259544 464943 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but a square has two edges on each vertex. < 1362259561 520801 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each corner is surrounded by 3 squares < 1362259580 889756 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, there are 3 lines that join at each corner < 1362259601 210935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :equivalently, each vertex neighbors 3 faces < 1362259616 584044 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :each corner is connected to 3 different other corners < 1362259634 675857 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hence {4,3} < 1362259650 2556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: each corner on the _cube_ has 3 neighboring edges and 3 neighboring faces < 1362259674 582395 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So how are squares {4,4}. < 1362259678 11337 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you change that 3 for 4 (giving you {4,4}), then your cube turns into a flat grid < 1362259693 683074 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not just squares, it's a grid of squares < 1362259727 335863 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you have a grid of cubes shouldn't that be {4,6} since each vertex is at six edges or six faces. < 1362259750 511613 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not a grid of cubes < 1362259754 560397 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a grid of squares < 1362259755 215054 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2d < 1362259796 995429 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, we're looking at surfaces < 1362259804 87501 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surface of a cube is 2d < 1362259812 888267 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the surface of a square grid is 2d < 1362259826 443486 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a grid of cubes is not a surface, it's a volume and it's 3d < 1362259831 257524 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't count < 1362259881 463474 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1362259967 578081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: hm those {4,n} n>=5 tilings _should_ be good for a hyperbolic befunge < 1362259993 752721 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362260001 936988 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{4,6} is easier on ascii actually < 1362260009 378541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and being quadrilateral, not too much change in how things work locally < 1362260015 592984 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{4,5} you represent a group of 5 tiles as < 1362260017 470952 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1362260018 631086 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :* * < 1362260034 856770 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you apply that recursively then you fill your text file < 1362260095 843458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there would still be 4 directions to go from each face. although those directions would no longer be globally consistent. < 1362260118 788840 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think if you just keep going in the same direction you spin < 1362260127 319489 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{4,6} would be easier < 1362260136 386851 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd represent a group of 6 squares as < 1362260137 814201 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1362260139 10553 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** < 1362260141 959480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you would probably need to take care how things are placed in cells, you want to distinguish rotated characters < 1362260146 186833 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your tiling fills the text file < 1362260152 602516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and p and g needs some careful consideration :P < 1362260162 379789 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362260214 814223 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362260376 275059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah I think if you just keep going in the same direction you spin <-- i don't think so, if you go between faces and always leave at the opposing edge you entered, it seems to me like all the {4,n} tilings give an infinite path < 1362260408 276747 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no opposing edge in {4,5} I think < 1362260419 172138 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho there's one in {4,6} yes < 1362260421 586559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh if you rotate right after each move, you will spin in _n_ steps, rather than 4 for the euclidean case < 1362260439 416837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: sure there is, they're still quadrilaterals < 1362260451 642681 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362260452 281041 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362260453 240856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am assuming cells are faces, not vertices < 1362260459 181603 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn this is hard :3 < 1362260509 814229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contents of a cell need to be an opcode and a direction that opcode is facing < 1362260517 213452 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't figure out an ascii mapping for surfaces that aren't {4,n} < 1362260559 215167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well surfaces that aren't {4,n} would mean each cell has != 4 neighbors, which would make it locally much more different from ordinary befunge, i think < 1362260561 332829 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :map to an ascii svg description of the surface < 1362260590 175744 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: how the hell do you edit that! < 1362260602 178614 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in your text editor obviously < 1362260604 233707 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xml is the future! < 1362260607 33112 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362260608 206698 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NO < 1362260612 49482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: well the euclidean {6,3} is not too hard so maybe other {6,n} can be done too? < 1362260616 332463 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THE FUTURE MADBR < 1362260641 171363 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the future is going to leave you behind, at 2 radians from zero < 1362260643 418224 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok how do you do {6,4} < 1362260649 364923 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also json > xml < 1362260659 7990 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted < 1362260660 926753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i didn't say _i_ could do it :( < 1362260676 176664 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally unrelatedly "Adaptive Control of Ill-Defined Systems" and "Arrows, Structures, and Functors: The Categorical Imperative" were written by the same guy, cool < 1362260682 883824 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use whatever data format is good for your use, whether it is JSON, XML, SQL, MIDI, etc < 1362260702 779115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: ...um you cheat and use the {4,6} one with dual markings, or something :P < 1362260730 897954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume they must be dual vertex-face-wise) < 1362260761 300365 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i should be angry about appropriating kant for a dumb pun though < 1362260836 365873 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x,y) coordinates won't work with this i think... < 1362260858 776427 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok how would this work recursively < 1362260891 997059 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd start with a group of 4 hexes < 1362260973 807085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you'd want to know i think, is the translation/rotation group of this, so you can calculate when you are returning to the same spot < 1362261019 889516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i noted, (rotate-right move-forward)^n = identity < 1362261040 681840 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while move-forward itself seems to be infinite order < 1362261080 918897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...you'd want the group elements to be your coordinate system, i guess < 1362261125 374943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this being one of those torsors we have previously discussed here not too long ago < 1362261142 761233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or well, zzo38 asked about something for which they are the answer) < 1362261313 368182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm you could use ^>v<^> gets you back but rotated 90 degrees left < 1362261539 522323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in {4,6}, >v<^>v gets you back upside down < 1362261573 182941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are commands interpreted according to your current facing direction. < 1362261588 906691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...which is _different_ from your befunge direction of moving :P < 1362261983 199957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :{4,5} and {4,6} have their own wp articles, which link on to _this_ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coxeter-Dynkin_diagram#Hyperbolic_groups_in_H2 ARGH < 1362262092 466800 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote water memory < 1362262094 615505 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :276) elliott: I doubt water memory can last for even one second in a gravitational field (or even outside of a gravitational field), but other people think they can make water memory with telephones. < 1362262095 448130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order-6_square_tiling has an escher picture :) < 1362262315 948138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: oh hm this should mean {4,8} will _not_ rotate your direction if you return, meaning it has globally consistent directions, i think < 1362262326 802716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(similar for {4,4n} < 1362262328 78858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1362262496 871252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm you could think of this moving around as an infinite ternary tree < 1362262503 121365 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1362262506 328939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : --- < 1362262544 405896 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1362262559 930918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362262697 188211 :agony!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362262708 602893 :agony!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 NICK :AgonyLang < 1362262821 19794 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi all, I've just published my first esoteric language on esolangs: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Agony < 1362262866 489164 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is another (there are so many) brainfuck related language, in this case actually backwards compatible mostly < 1362262883 485138 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes there are so many < 1362262918 546324 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This version supports self modifying code, so increase the agony making something < 1362263019 246203 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgonyLang, Phantom_Hoover won't be happy. He's got a Tumblr which is pretty much him hating brainfuck derivatives < 1362263043 349100 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : | < 1362263043 498697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : -+- < 1362263043 498774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | < 1362263043 498817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : -+-+-+- < 1362263043 498861 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | < 1362263045 826385 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : -+- | -+- < 1362263048 356677 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | < 1362263050 838419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-+-+---+---+-+- < 1362263053 425970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | | | < 1362263055 827427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : -+- | -+- < 1362263058 326304 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : | | | < 1362263060 934533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(sorry) < 1362263102 680928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the symmetry group would be about how to identify parts of that < 1362263119 305575 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :People can hate all they want, their problem, not mine < 1362263179 505776 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`msg HackEgo `? Phantom_Hoover < 1362263181 79796 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: msg: not found < 1362263187 828116 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops < 1362263193 410906 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ` is not / < 1362263199 485371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny that < 1362263215 439364 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? phantom_hoover < 1362263217 124829 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist. < 1362263243 793870 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgoryLang: Well, you are currect, but still I also think there are already too many, but don't let that stop you < 1362263366 213295 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may not agree with what you have to say, but will defend your right to say it. < 1362263370 256728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgonyLang, fuckyorbrane, brainjoust < 1362263388 449773 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :voltaire had brainfuck derivatives in mind when he said that. < 1362263392 280104 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to start somewhere, I wanted to make something with very limited instructionset, able to run in a core so I can battle like CoreWar (joust is very limited), and self-modifying < 1362263402 130182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Voltaire didn't say that, it was his friend. < 1362263413 20229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, he didn't have brainfuck derivatives in mind. < 1362263434 649862 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1362263439 488022 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgonyLang, check out http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/files/fyb/doc/fyb_spec.txt < 1362263450 8620 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362263475 39926 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This new language reminds me of a song.. < 1362263480 666064 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362263504 893560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgonyLang, also, am i correct in assuming that there are only 16 addressable memory cells in this thing < 1362263512 205680 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAPJTik5mSo < 1362263573 350899 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something wrong with you Taneb < 1362263610 30343 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: The core can be much larger, but cells just have 4 bits -> 16 possible states < 1362263685 417734 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, while that statement has been repeatedly established, what in particular did you have in mind? < 1362263701 833814 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: FukYorBran is closer to what I had in mind indeed, didn't see it on esolangs < 1362263724 835961 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgonyLang, it's not as popular as BF Joust, because (perhaps) of its complexity < 1362263770 794732 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362263805 579620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgonyLang, but... there's all this stuff about addressing. < 1362263829 510000 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Sure, especially with multiple processes. Agony was implemented in two hours max, the rules are a bit simpler I think, and leverages the self-modifying aspect a bit more. There is also Self-modifying brainfuck, but that is based on characters only < 1362263871 161716 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that is machine code mapping, the instructions have a binary counterpart < 1362263950 493680 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, so for example <- (two instructions) are in binary 0100 1000, so if the memory pointer points to the "-" instruction and you call "." (character print) it prints "H" (01001000) < 1362263970 29695 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the code exists in memory. < 1362263977 471977 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes < 1362264001 525974 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The description can be improved I see (assumptions all over the place) < 1362264032 418898 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the Hello World! looks like this: <[.<]$$$,{}~<~)+{~*@+{$~*~)~)~@<- < 1362264043 180223 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the <- (H) at the end < 1362264048 789742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It makes sense. < 1362264066 474675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As Brainfuck derivatives go, it's not all that bad, really. < 1362264122 506803 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The funny thing is it runs quite a lot of Brainfuck programs without problems, this is just a deeper level adding the machine code memory mapping < 1362264149 75328 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to filter out the comments < 1362264167 493901 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't implemented (nor specified) comments indeed < 1362264187 753496 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And most brainfuck programs assume right-infinite tape < 1362264200 530405 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because some implementations don't have left-infinite tape < 1362264234 264465 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interestingly, P'' (an early computational model that was virtually the same as brainfuck) has left-infinite tape < 1362264236 813077 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362264246 266895 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that is why I've specified putting the pointer to the right, after that having a big circular core helps < 1362264285 608890 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, what brought you to esolanging? < 1362264317 156205 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pfft, I've been doing corewars for a long time, and Redcode basically it an esolang < 1362264324 828242 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aah < 1362264339 252629 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've played with whitespace/bf for a while some time ago, and now I just had spare time < 1362264378 347882 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check out Piet! http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet.html < 1362264380 533543 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading an article about somebody using generic algorithms in BF to create Hello World! re-spraked interest < 1362264436 519934 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dangermouse.net/esoteric/piet/helloworld-mondrian-big.png <-- hello world in Piet < 1362264566 669344 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a friend is esoteric language fan as well, he implemented various esolangs in Redcode (for example Underload: http://corewar.co.uk/assembly/underload.htm) < 1362264986 374923 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362265089 42717 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362265392 458666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote As Brainfuck derivatives go, it's not all that bad, really. < 1362265397 807806 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :977) As Brainfuck derivatives go, it's not all that bad, really. < 1362265534 112907 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362265718 239892 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.165.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi AgonyLang :-) < 1362265785 247451 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to meet someone in 15 minutes who has two deaf parents, so I'm now learning a bit of sign language as a surprise, pretty esoteric as well ;) < 1362265815 943324 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo learn nicaraguan sign language < 1362265847 824248 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sure you learn the right damn sign language < 1362265854 427562 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASL and BSL are very very different < 1362265860 908672 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And NSL is even more different < 1362265869 531643 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 minutes... < 1362265874 826831 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other than ASL, I don't know if those acronyms are ever used < 1362265883 103324 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's bsl, british? < 1362265912 953389 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.165.144 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've picked up a bit of sign language from watching kid's TV! :-( < 1362265913 174785 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1362265999 159298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they are shows about sign language, then I suppose it can help a bit. < 1362266100 796532 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :watching news supported by sign language..have you ever noticed, how accurate the gestures are? it's like a perfect reduction unrevealing the essence of the issue < 1362266120 883122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang wiki, now with a genuine van rijn piece < 1362266151 145942 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :busting all that rhetorical figures and euphemisms < 1362266299 246554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulong tea < 1362266496 648091 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is it boiled with charcoal? < 1362266501 366920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1362266843 615804 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could I piet program be represented as a map from some key to an 8-tuple of Maybe PietEffect? < 1362266854 301261 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe (PietEffect, Key) < 1362267076 188690 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... StateT Key Maybe PietEffect < 1362267181 208880 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite... < 1362267384 159922 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Key -> (Maybe (PietEffect, Key)) * 8 < 1362267409 455658 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 18 * < 1362267410 938857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:6: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1362267411 904685 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 18 * k < 1362267413 383622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18 * k < 1362267420 559684 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (18 * k) + 1 < 1362267422 71204 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18 * k + 1 < 1362267426 122900 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((18 * k) + 1) * 8 < 1362267427 793782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (18 * k + 1) * 8 < 1362267434 482666 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (((18 * k) + 1) * 8) ^ k < 1362267438 261165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1362267502 165778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :piet has keys? < 1362267526 221470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1362267527 972938 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1362267543 845795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :has he reached 9 in a row yet? < 1362267544 33796 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(876) < 1362267579 569786 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn it < 1362267595 676728 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :{4,6} is so hard to turn into a uniform grid :O < 1362267597 999471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is the 6th < 1362267608 146488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 more before it's the 9-in-a-row < 1362267760 588702 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, key to a colour block < 1362268121 869639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think syntax sugar helps me learn things :/ < 1362268130 584218 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do notation gives me an intuition about monads < 1362268143 450033 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you monster. < 1362268164 71680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :leibniz notation gives people an intuition about calculus. < 1362268178 457258 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ẍ < 1362268307 145282 :cantcode!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362268551 661254 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE cantcode < 1362268554 841644 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CaNtCoDe: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1362268619 781410 :cantcode!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, hElP! < 1362268712 424645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm sadly the WeLcOmE algorithm hasn't been properly refactored < 1362268757 571942 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/WeLcOmE < 1362268758 986467 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome $@ | python -c "print (lambda s: ''.join([ (s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(raw_input())" < 1362268794 350388 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type zipWith id (cycle [toUpper, id]) < 1362268795 673560 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Char] -> [Char] < 1362268801 737440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1362268858 286387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there an equivalent to raw_input() that takes an entire file? < 1362268890 156952 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print open("bin/welcome").readlines()' < 1362268892 759621 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​['#!/usr/bin/perl -w\n', 'if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; }\n'] < 1362268906 305295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i meant entire stdin < 1362268912 14708 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when I showed your colorize script to a python developer he screamed at me and rewrote it in horrror. Wanna see? < 1362268920 314065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: OKAY < 1362268933 369393 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's enthusiasm I want to see! < 1362268933 930565 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not quite mine, fizzie wrote the original < 1362268948 373115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(share the blame) < 1362268966 394899 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | python -c 'print open("/dev/stdin").read()' < 1362268971 679183 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362268992 890526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um and read takes all? < 1362269016 465370 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes < 1362269028 377751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/welcome | python -c 'print open("/dev/stdin").read()' < 1362269032 937594 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ if (defined($_=shift)) { s/ *$//; s/ +/ @ /g; exec "bin/@", $_ . " ? welcome"; } else { exec "bin/?", "welcome"; } < 1362269040 928840 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362269041 78900 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362269041 79066 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362269041 79149 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362269041 289406 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362269042 239723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that works < 1362269046 664257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362269059 473576 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : `run cat bin/welcome | whatever? < 1362269060 548469 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/k564m0ahv1xxuqaumcafg < 1362269063 220735 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1362269064 68688 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362269067 983174 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uses sys.stdin < 1362269071 413225 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1362269073 551075 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Excess Flood < 1362269081 127161 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the new ircd goes to great lengths to not tell you which server went down. < 1362269119 876156 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362269130 814328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's not equivalent at all < 1362269161 711192 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1362269162 35052 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> comparing length "open('/dev/stdin')" "import sys;sys.stdin" < 1362269163 658944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : LT < 1362269165 23170 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no! < 1362269179 94356 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :linux wins!!! < 1362269206 554521 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lsb_release -a < 1362269208 872643 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No LSB modules are available. \ Distributor ID: Debian \ Description: Debian GNU/Linux \ Release: n/a \ Codename: n/a < 1362269253 147210 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362269302 630511 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/usr/bin/env python'; echo 'print (lambda s: "".join(['(s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(open("/dev/stdin").read())') >bin/CaT; chmod a+x CaT < 1362269304 344023 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `(echo '#!/usr/bin/env python'; echo 'print (lambda s: "".join(['(s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(open("/dev/stdin").read())') >bin/CaT; chmod a+x CaT' < 1362269335 534903 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/usr/bin/env python'; echo 'print (lambda s: "".join([(s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(open("/dev/stdin").read())') >bin/CaT; chmod a+x CaT < 1362269339 328953 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: cannot access `CaT': No such file or directory < 1362269350 349851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`chmod a+x bin/CaT < 1362269351 422529 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod: missing operand after `a+x bin/CaT' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information. < 1362269354 748070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod a+x bin/CaT < 1362269359 781837 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362269368 38455 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | CaT < 1362269369 869725 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362269370 38087 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1362269381 914272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/WeLcOmE < 1362269383 332533 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome $@ | python -c "print (lambda s: ''.join([ (s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(raw_input())" < 1362269420 795441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/pyt.*/CaT/' bin/WeLcOmE < 1362269423 746703 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362269434 712745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE atehwa < 1362269436 503424 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AtEhWa: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1362269474 273800 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "cantcode: ok what did you need help with?" | CaT < 1362269476 51148 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :CaNtCoDe: Ok wHaT DiD YoU NeEd hElP WiTh? < 1362269486 272586 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1362269510 951024 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you make a version for zalgo? :) < 1362269538 129676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1362269548 232929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even _see_ zalgo. < 1362269562 384893 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was wrong with old WeLcOmE < 1362269572 278108 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok < 1362269573 476413 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not modular enough < 1362269576 861307 :cantcode!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just trying if it would parse it < 1362269577 743398 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you heard of unix philosophy? < 1362269588 636528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/$@/"$@"/' bin/WeLcOmE < 1362269593 713866 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362269601 301284 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run relcome | CaT < 1362269602 737528 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/WeLcOmE < 1362269604 918364 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ welcome "$@" | CaT < 1362269605 914933 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​03wElCoMe tO ThE09 iNtErNaTiO10NaL 02hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG L07A03NgU07AgE02 dEsIg12n12 AnD DePlOyMeNt!09 fOr m06oRe iNfOrMa06tIoN, 05ChEcK OuT O12U02R10 wIkI: hTtP://Es08o10l13aN08G12S.OrG/W13IkI/MaIn_12PaGe. (f09oR 03tHe oT07H09Er kInD O09F07 eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRi14c oN03 iR14C.DaL.07nE10T.)11 < 1362269614 345536 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? Beautiful. < 1362269660 666534 :cantcode!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks like a gas leak in a puddle < 1362269718 103094 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1362269722 347975 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's that? < 1362269746 203493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cantcode: HackEgo only takes commands starting with ` . some of the other bots respond to their name (hi fungot!) < 1362269746 465231 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: he was now a city, and of the dots perhaps a half inch more. the augmented party now began to advance directly toward the invisible building, and had no idea what the curious image could be. < 1362269749 439846 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362269792 617883 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin < 1362269796 33102 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ WELCOME \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ aseen \ botsnack \ bseen \ calc \ CaT \ colorize \ define \ delquote \ elist \ emmental \ emoclew \ emptylist \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fueue \ gaseen \ google \ h \ ?h \ h! \ hatesgeo \ ?hh \ hyfinate \ hyphenate.fi \ interp \ joustreport \ jousturl \ js \ json \ ka < 1362269799 558816 :cantcode!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :.habla espanol? < 1362269820 293879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much spanish here, sorry < 1362269828 490420 :cantcode!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz PRIVMSG #esoteric :`oh < 1362269830 6287 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: oh: not found < 1362269854 345769 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run botsnack | colorize | CaT < 1362269857 392503 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0204:03-13D06 < 1362269865 599559 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's it < 1362269876 349233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: you are the only bot i remember who actually parses english, no? < 1362269876 940714 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why do you think I am the only bot you remember who actually parses english, no? < 1362269877 397014 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, it is that. < 1362269907 322138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: habla espanol? < 1362269907 868346 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Perhaps the answer lies within yourself? < 1362269918 417764 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿shouldn't you use ¿ for spanish questions? < 1362269940 460510 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, do spaniards really use ¿ on the internet? < 1362269941 139416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: ¿habla español? < 1362269941 608989 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Why do you ask that? < 1362269946 544986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: MAYBE < 1362269948 655737 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿ < 1362269964 422186 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿, huh, add this to one of our bots < 1362269971 118220 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿ looks nice < 1362269980 186724 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not usually, in my experience (do they use it) < 1362269999 572772 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that i know any actual spaniards, just spanish-speakers from the other half of the world < 1362270001 377911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's that? ELIZA? < 1362270004 410785 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿que es una gasoliniera cerca de aqui? < 1362270007 355362 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure looks like eliza. < 1362270017 413087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: oonbotti? i think so. < 1362270018 378079 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: irc.dal.net < 1362270030 680521 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :buen < 1362270062 600886 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAR HAR HAR < 1362270217 938792 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿donde esta la zapateria? < 1362270241 372345 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a Parry in here. < 1362270265 317158 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :redio reloj < 1362270540 35088 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: fungot < 1362270540 197151 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I see. < 1362270540 549769 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: when i fnord hinted to others about my find, and this was their tragic homecoming. they had, and between each pair of anklets stretched a golden chain that held its fnord to a significance beyond the emotion which it excites and is. for the man who < 1362270636 516934 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nervously jingles his chains < 1362270675 586914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf wat < 1362270678 369762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Yes, the ratio of a perfect circle to its radius should be rational. The fact that it is irrational proves that either a. the circle is not perfect, or that b. the space plane the circle occupies is not perfectly flat and consistent." < 1362270716 561022 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION imagines riding a space plane, scratching a circle into the window < 1362270732 513854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like hagb4rd all right < 1362270762 255740 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I hear Khinchin's constant is rational. < 1362270787 760932 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% cotton < 1362270797 201268 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION unleashed < 1362270857 535937 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe it's still not known whether the euler-mascheroni constant is rational < 1362270898 518837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe it's not maccheroni < 1362270925 184573 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you pick a random real number it's probably pretty hard to prove its irrationality. < 1362271089 191790 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you need the axiom of choice to pick a random real number < 1362271169 153175 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh sets < 1362271259 90196 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but let's face it, what can you prove about a random real number < 1362271280 201994 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it exists, maybe" < 1362271289 436912 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on how constructivist you are?? < 1362271322 1517 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's real < 1362271329 328818 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it would be better to restrict it to definable numbers... < 1362271367 130841 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definable numbers are countable and so don't have a uniform probability distribution < 1362271388 425971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, neither do reals for that matter < 1362271406 245225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :conclusion: random real numbers don't exist! < 1362271419 48030 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nooooo < 1362271460 403050 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant like, in [0,1] though. < 1362271631 844138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1362271649 761559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the definable numbers still don't have a uniform one, hth < 1362271657 101485 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, one of gods biggest problems might have been designing some unpredictability. otherways it eternatity would be so boring. < 1362271673 534567 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362271693 6060 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's it possible to do a turing complete language with only one bignum variable < 1362271702 89917 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362271707 281445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously < 1362271713 3484 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh who needs variables < 1362271732 531687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what bike said, cf. the lambda calculus < 1362271738 108921 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, you can encode lists of integers as an integer if you think in terms of product of primes < 1362271744 268636 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambda calculus has variables! < 1362271748 597797 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was actually thinking combinators < 1362271757 109420 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Schönfinkel in da house < 1362271757 336419 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: fractran < 1362271757 486035 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, just treat it as a bitstream < 1362271759 849752 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: yeah but that's ok if you have like 2 or 3 variables < 1362271781 618893 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1, 2, 3] -> 2^1 * 3^2 * 5^3 = 2250 < 1362271826 188579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which essentially does what Taneb says < 1362271829 974717 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, you can do that for infinite variables because there are infinite primes < 1362271833 181170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, we proved sumamoito tc essentially using only one variable < 1362271859 198163 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also use a more reasonable code but lol math. < 1362271912 550207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there were a few others because sumamoito has next to no facilities for actually manipulating that variable, but they wouldn't be needed if you had arithmetic builtins) < 1362271972 472986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1362271994 293216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the back of my chair went loose and now my neck hurts like hell < 1362272011 145113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't i listen when they warned me about good posture < 1362272291 773836 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362272741 481042 :mekeor!~user@dslb-094-216-096-030.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362272764 44711 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362272804 282274 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362272818 70780 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362273172 896493 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362273521 239579 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362274092 451245 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362274306 843026 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362274950 191017 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1362275157 400967 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A random real number isn't even random < 1362275266 230327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Ribbit < 1362275378 199467 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362275422 987391 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362275620 78831 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362275725 636268 :cantcode!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz NICK :banana_pee < 1362276034 545561 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362276100 455853 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://math.stackexchange.com/questions/155156/is-it-generally-accepted-that-if-you-throw-a-dart-at-a-number-line-you-will-neve < 1362276206 633241 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's like countably infinite (rationals) vs uncountably infinite (irrationals) < 1362276209 777592 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that < 1362276244 930323 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you throw a countably infinite number of darts, what's the probability at least one will hit a rational? < 1362276271 702645 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh that's a hard question < 1362276311 233034 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like the kind of problem that's fun to complicate unnecessarily. < 1362276316 193549 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does XD < 1362276322 583931 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like complicating the birthday "paradox" by mentioning that birthdays are not evenly distributed. < 1362276333 197208 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to arbitrarily say the probability is epsilon. < 1362276335 592529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How strong is your throwing arm?" < 1362276342 722642 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How far is the number line from the thrower? < 1362276342 986356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how, if you look at the wikipedia article on 'wedge', the actual article on real-life wedges is near the bottom < 1362276348 926246 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"How big are the darts?" < 1362276357 856791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : yeah it's like countably infinite (rationals) vs uncountably infinite (irrationals) < 1362276358 7371 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or something like that < 1362276365 478443 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess my intuition would say that on average one would hit? < 1362276367 86887 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's mostly measure < 1362276367 776311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1362276373 305539 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this seems like a case where intuition will be totally wrong < 1362276397 879357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but idk if you can have a measure space with both uncountable and countable sets with nonzero measure < 1362276398 835668 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuition hates cardinality. < 1362276407 84122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you throw a countably infinite number of darts, what's the probability at least one will hit a rational? <-- 0 hth < 1362276410 770089 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd say 0 < 1362276418 233664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys i'm not sure this is cardinality... < 1362276436 306816 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, help < 1362276437 824374 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh why am i reawake < 1362276438 812953 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially rationals and non-transcendental irrationals are countable so they have a surface area of 0 < 1362276456 991016 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, something something something countable products < 1362276464 524222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sure you can, you can sum a discrete and a continuous measure easily < 1362276475 672628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1362276543 608948 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I just want to know how hard proving something rational is. < 1362276553 372403 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :countably infinite number of darts, I don't think you'd hit anything < 1362276582 883889 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've got countable infinity number of points that can be hit < 1362276596 470321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you can also split it up into a continuous and a discrete one < 1362276598 200226 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and countably infinite number of darts that will be thrown < 1362276599 18955 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few weeks ago i've heard another interesting analogy including darts, chances of hit, and all that improbable (but true) cicumstances leading straight to the possibility of existance. it's that there are two way of the perfect 'hit': one is aiming and hitting by chance.. the other is like throwing the dart somewhere and drowing the mark around the place it hits :> < 1362276608 521603 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :countable infinity * countable infinity = still countable infinity < 1362276610 51094 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, 7 hards < 1362276638 522626 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is it proving rational or transcendental that's hard? < 1362276642 894693 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*drawing < 1362276645 818757 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought rational wasjust proving it could be expressed as p/q < 1362276647 674819 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a guy on the street who sells perfect hits < 1362276664 948285 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :waiting for my man26$ < 1362276668 123072 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my hand < 1362276679 565883 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: That sounds like the kind of analogy that a painfully stupid person might use as proof of God or divine design. < 1362276693 646103 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1362276697 799532 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well, we've proved less numbers transcendental, and all rationals are algebraic... < 1362276706 131103 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some humoristic thoughts < 1362276711 362399 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah, that's what I thought < 1362276713 992183 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :transcendental is the hard one < 1362276717 240011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw it's simply basic countable additivity of measures, an axiom. mu(A_1 \/ A_2 \/ ...) <= sum mu(A_i) = 0 < 1362276734 794471 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we still don't know if Euler-Mascheroni or Khinchin are rational, let alone algebraic. < 1362276744 771922 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362276745 46049 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ok a little more work to show it's subadditive when the sets are not disjoint.) < 1362276756 662482 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wow @_@ < 1362276767 480898 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's weird. < 1362276769 15610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, the difficulty is simply that proving /anything/ on an arbitrary real number is really hard < 1362276775 363749 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Khinchin is a really weird constant anyway. < 1362276787 207464 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And relevant! Since almost all real numbers conform to it. < 1362276813 898831 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, it's not arbitrary, it's computable, right? < 1362276816 825750 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and computable reals are countable < 1362276838 927641 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uncomputably countable, but yes < 1362276857 166124 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otoh proving anything on an arbitrary computable number is harder in even messier ways < 1362276859 882540 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant like, countable as in countably infinite right < 1362276866 44977 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hell does that mean? Obviously it's not recursive but what's that have to do with cardinality < 1362276875 13856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing? < 1362276886 235060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just thought it was really weird when i first realised < 1362276895 698543 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's still r.e. < 1362276905 86430 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think < 1362276954 498128 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Bike: is it proving rational or transcendental that's hard? <-- basically if a number isn't obviously one of those by construction, then discerning them is usually hard. < 1362276968 382991 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, you can just enumerate the set of programs in some languag < 1362276969 659222 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e < 1362277000 72519 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but discerning the ones that correspond to computable reals is isomorphic to the halting problem, of course < 1362277024 869973 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I guess it's like, proving things /not/ rational is hard <.< < 1362277066 854015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and proving things rational is hard if you cannot find the particular rational they're equal to < 1362277079 229820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why people like me are still roaming the streets. < 1362277092 960462 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :searching. searching for the rational numbers hiding in the dark alleys < 1362277112 351020 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :passing out illegal primes < 1362277112 974531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I was thinking along the lines of "no one can prove I'm not rational". < 1362277116 644167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that works too. < 1362277122 846166 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone really care whether khinchin's constant is irrational < 1362277146 580727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the implications, Jafet < 1362277152 518275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of the implications < 1362277158 588136 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION thinks. < 1362277189 346837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all is lost, though! At least the Euler-Macaroni constant is computable. < 1362277191 924980 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :( save the implications! ) < 1362277228 365070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the euler-macarena constant is real < 1362277237 94100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean Euler-Mascheroni? < 1362277238 579768 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does a program that computes the euler-macaroni constant consist of spaghetti code? < 1362277262 318828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia doesn't have Euler-Macaroni. < 1362277290 282717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If I want to call it Euler-Macaroni, then by FSM, I will! < 1362277292 625317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one can stop me! < 1362277325 58881 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the euler-mascara constant isn't any random person's to name < 1362277345 370577 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I am not trying to stop you. < 1362277345 691796 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr my analysis notes saying we only know the euler-mechanic constant to 20 digits < 1362277358 421170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seems to be very, very wrong < 1362277360 866961 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: "it would be really weird" < 1362277376 9259 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was true in... 1809 or so? < 1362277377 719818 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your analysis notes? < 1362277382 25154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I see right through your Euler-Masquerade! < 1362277384 374213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the wikipedia introduction has 50... < 1362277390 451412 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: notes from a class on analysis < 1362277396 704035 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sieged by ignorant misanthropes spitting words < 1362277398 545762 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says we know 28,844,489,545 as of 2009? XD < 1362277402 139678 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing songs that voices never share < 1362277418 212890 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have ruined that song for me forever < 1362277419 365452 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: eh, what's nine orders of magnitude between friends < 1362277424 123921 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover was probably thinking about bruno's constant < 1362277458 466729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bruno's constant? < 1362277464 679425 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Do you like to see things that aren't necessarily there? < 1362277505 77086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Like a hippopotamus? < 1362277514 408988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, are you talking about modal logic here? < 1362277544 286584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case, have you ever seen a thing that was necessarily there? < 1362277544 995163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬□there, or something? < 1362277565 422586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. ◇¬there? < 1362277593 293529 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean you. < 1362277621 563122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean me, and I mean modal logic. < 1362277627 120685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And surely meaning is transitive? < 1362277666 684127 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362277702 287792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello to you too, monqy < 1362277704 896845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :itym transcendental < 1362277769 303315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You should invent a crazy new kind of modal logic that uses crazy new symbols. < 1362277778 457810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe things like 25C9 FISHEYE [◉] < 1362277778 607884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :25CA LOZENGE [◊] < 1362277877 796531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fisheye logic? < 1362277884 867131 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe logic for optics. < 1362277908 535695 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :◯ ○ < 1362277913 114800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See the difference between those two? < 1362277923 198516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of them is LARGE < 1362277926 134060 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :size matters < 1362277946 483229 :Jon1!~jon@CPE-121-216-164-246.lnse2.ken.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1362277969 126052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Have you ever said anything useful? < 1362278004 34368 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's yet to be observed < 1362278007 310250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Jon1 < 1362278016 683382 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jon1: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362278090 179864 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have ever made someone happy? < 1362278090 369483 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Phantom_Hoover < 1362278095 531307 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13Phantom_Hoover: W05elcome to the02 interna08tional hub 07f11or 08eso04ter05ic p13rogra06mming language design and deployment! For more 05i14nf08ormation, check10 out 12ou10r w12iki: 04htt04p://es04olangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (13For the other kind of esoterica, t09ry04 #e11s02oter13ic on i03r11c.dal.net.) < 1362278123 145233 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, on this channel, at leasy, he has a considerable lead on you. < 1362278127 178437 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*at least < 1362278138 795763 :Jon1!~jon@CPE-121-216-164-246.lnse2.ken.bigpond.net.au PART :#esoteric < 1362278151 122608 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. i follow. < 1362278158 100693 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lead < 1362278171 570544 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you have an idea of the next goal to achieve < 1362278188 994444 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me, hagb4rd, do you actually think all the shit that comes out of your mouth is deep, or are you just posturing < 1362278197 813380 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmon phanti < 1362278220 26637 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have a cake! < 1362278252 672742 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit that comes out of my mouth < 1362278257 855695 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my dear < 1362278258 156538 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how good are compilers at optimizing loop test conditions? < 1362278290 965450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :438 points good. < 1362278338 332778 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, like, what specifically about them? < 1362278416 377726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, trying to count down to avoid cmp at the end and stuff? < 1362278470 889274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa,dude, look at all these TLDs: http://www.iana.org/domains/special < 1362278495 24281 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no more like guessing that your routine is going to loop like 8 times in one go < 1362278521 771820 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean, unrolling? < 1362278548 349124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The easy way to figure out how good a compiler is at optimizing a specific piece of code is to compile that piece of code and see what it does. < 1362278620 527598 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1362278642 627541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://דוגמה.טעסט/ < 1362278659 429554 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wondering about this because I'm working on a, uh, fairly interesting CPU arch < 1362278668 59149 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one :o < 1362278698 196617 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any better documentation of Yamaha OPM? < 1362278709 696001 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, devanagari? < 1362278728 692161 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one where iteration 1 of a loop is done on core 1, iteration 2 is on core 2, iteration 3 is on core 3, iteration 4 is on core 4, iteration 5 is on core 5, iteration 6 is on core 6, iteration 7 is on core 7, iteration 8 is on core 8, iteration 9 is on core 1, iteration 10 is on core 2... < 1362278734 769540 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, this is a real cpu arch? < 1362278752 547813 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not yet < 1362278753 76586 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Powered by MEDIAWIKI" < 1362278755 544722 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... oh < 1362278760 262912 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's definitely doable < 1362278762 941630 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. I don't think you can meaningfully ask < 1362278769 550608 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a compiler does on an arch that doesn't exist <.< < 1362278772 553314 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1362278787 875288 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can, unless the compiler also does not exist < 1362278795 881087 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it is less meaningful < 1362278834 995902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it was a more general "what sorts of loopy behaviors are compilers good at recognizing?" sort of question. < 1362278837 883808 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo : hmm... I remember being told that if you try to change synth params on the fly, OPM (or was it OPN2?) can crash < 1362278838 48817 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well guessing at loop invariants is an optimization thing dating from the 60s < 1362278841 483688 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If your CPU has eight cores and fully coherent shared cache, you are doomed to fail in any case. < 1362278847 463426 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 50s < 1362278895 399498 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :50s = 60s < 1362278896 52909 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jafet : it's more like 8-way SSE / 8-issue superscalar < 1362278906 243322 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might cut it down to 4-way < 1362278910 558224 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-issue superscalar already exists, I think < 1362278913 577160 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some TI DSPs that do that < 1362278938 860339 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nice thing is that the design will be a lot less complicated than some of those < 1362278959 816463 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, are you sure? some ofthose DSPs use less than a watt and are miniscule < 1362278973 721965 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, they're not complicated < 1362278996 286191 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and you have to write for them in ASM? < 1362279006 560106 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so... < 1362279022 259275 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ti.com/lsds/ti/dsp/c6000_dsp/c64x/products.page < 1362279053 611747 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.ti.com/lit/ds/sprs371f/sprs371f.pdf < 1362279136 128920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes, I think I read something about such things doing so too, but still, I have not found any good documentation for OPM. < 1362279161 792646 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: hmm, that looks fairly close to what the crusoe did < 1362279191 950410 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same kind of 8 unit pre-issued super-superscalar vliw design < 1362279240 567421 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362279295 660153 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : that's a DSP < 1362279304 986928 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :essentially 2 cores bundled together < 1362279319 290647 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you really write efficient code for that in C++? :D < 1362279351 289504 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's two cores? < 1362279365 582248 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TMS320C64x doesn't say anything about multicore at least < 1362279378 545878 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see. the two sets of functional units. < 1362279410 466564 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so it's not multicore but it's two units < 1362279472 946459 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1453718/ti-dsp-programming-is-c-fast-enough-or-do-i-need-an-assembler I found this I guess < 1362279557 605718 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah so you probably have to use intrinsics < 1362279573 107618 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the intrinsics are just for the built-in SIMD stuff < 1362279578 626804 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the 2x16-bit and 4x8-bit? < 1362279588 157991 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362279594 850211 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since, like, you can't really write that in C < 1362279604 997729 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well anyways < 1362279617 77990 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the design I have beats that < 1362279622 521233 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can vectorize any loop < 1362279648 114813 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you delay the write operations to the next cycle < 1362279710 998613 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why it has to have special registers for data feedback from iteration to iteration < 1362279728 769568 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some opcodes to "lock" memory addresses until the real writeback < 1362279743 735120 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but other than that it's just a normal RISC < 1362279945 414396 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you only even just need a decoder for the first core < 1362279969 666863 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just use delayed versions of the same instructions next cycle on the next core < 1362280072 323153 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is to get performance similar to crazy superscalar RISCs < 1362280086 157642 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for much less complexity < 1362280103 822674 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and without the severe restrictions on datapaths etc you see in DSPs < 1362280514 880003 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362280605 878783 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds interesting. would you mind to share a look on your solution/code/paper? (as long as it's not finished and sold/open source) < 1362280727 900107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1362280734 563793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362281001 726477 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362281035 805750 :tswett_!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362281340 729212 :GeoffreyVanSchau!~Error418@d118-75-200-47.try.wideopenwest.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362281441 506597 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362281441 656662 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362281883 149073 :tswett_!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :tswett < 1362282216 539394 :GeoffreyVanSchau!~Error418@d118-75-200-47.try.wideopenwest.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362282917 281090 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c01::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e JOIN :#esoteric < 1362283666 931121 :mekeor!~user@dslb-094-216-096-030.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT 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1362289960 664025 :SirCmpwn_!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1362289962 871384 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuciruqimmyjevfl NICK :ssue < 1362289975 638946 :SirCmpwn_!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn NICK :SirCmpwn < 1362290213 124384 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362290213 273911 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1362290213 274067 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1362290213 274145 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362290213 274225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362290271 651480 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362290861 833320 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362291389 90311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ralist < 1362291390 391295 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ralist: not found < 1362291429 503804 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1362291515 532623 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Hmm. Where in CO are ye? < 1362291566 528864 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362291667 941140 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362291679 471372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Red Alert 4 is coming out? < 1362291709 539614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam Hughes posted a new story in Ra < 1362291714 905704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://qntm.org/ra < 1362291810 613979 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`qlnitsmt < 1362291812 378798 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: qlnitsmt: not found < 1362291829 107774 :dessos_!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362291970 41888 :dessos_!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362291975 16267 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362291992 202768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theory: it is substantially easier for something to be awesome if it has no purpose other than awesomeness < 1362291993 138784 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, the Other Sam Hughes. < 1362292002 534637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :agree/disagree? < 1362292040 739575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other Sam Hughes? < 1362292047 811309 :md_5!~md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in < 1362292070 971439 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I would imagine the opposite. < 1362292076 430084 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362292079 739214 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that makes sense. Although I don't know if that's true in all cases. Certainly in a game like Worms, Armageddon is awesome but near useless < 1362292096 449133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362292117 968638 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Armageddon sends asteroids that destroys most of the land and kills most things, friendly or not) < 1362292124 800498 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the example I'm thinking of, is adding a background character to a gameshow, who does nothing but watch, and make a map of the activity, and can /teleport/ < 1362292135 981006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find this to be very awesome, despite being completely pointless < 1362292151 487671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, all the things he could do with teleportation ability, and he chooses to do that < 1362292162 362038 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good i thought you were going to make them be the character representing the viewer < 1362292162 764990 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he never does anything with the map, AFAICT < 1362292177 889393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hmm, well it's not my character < 1362292184 856802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Searching for Armageddon about a game called Worms Armageddon is kind of difficult < 1362292185 919340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps he represents the viewer? it seems unlikely though < 1362292197 456084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this is actually the reason Ubuntu versions have such weird names < 1362292205 994456 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining a teleporting nepeta < 1362292219 648803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a nepeta? < 1362292223 40281 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I had nothing to do with it! < 1362292227 16739 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: haven't been highlighted in here in a while < 1362292234 255759 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'm in Colorado Springs, near Garden of the Gods < 1362292238 549655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :…what's a Cmpwn? < 1362292245 359734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, a character in Homestuck. < 1362292247 670616 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362292250 196685 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: sex toy < 1362292253 376853 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: really? < 1362292257 505299 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Huh. < 1362292258 763161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Apparently related to me. < 1362292261 194368 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: I'm in Falcon. < 1362292261 895325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1362292264 114675 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. < 1362292265 279036 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: well done < 1362292282 657034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1362292284 896410 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent "Iä" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. < 1362292290 622796 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to wonder if I know you in meatspace. < 1362292303 737526 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she makes charts of all the relationships of the other characters and updates it as the story goes on < 1362292312 422951 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh, that makes sense < 1362292320 322673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's also kind-of awesome < 1362292321 416546 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but isn't that involved in the main plot) < 1362292322 671612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I don't do that. < 1362292330 826034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not for #esoteric, anyway. < 1362292334 63736 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should. < 1362292347 180231 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: aka Drew DeVault < 1362292352 598435 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Would you happen to know a "Josiah Worcester"? < 1362292358 129384 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1362292358 721018 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, not really. < 1362292367 482369 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: isn't that pikhq's real name? < 1362292373 660273 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only time I've been in Falcon was for a marching band competetion in high school < 1362292376 196575 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a while ago < 1362292380 637487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind-of amused I recognised it < 1362292386 566033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't seen it for years < 1362292390 279652 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100727230124/mspaintadventures/images/1/13/02295.gif <-- the 'shipping wall' < 1362292418 623344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… other things that are unexpectedly awesome: in An Untitled Story, very few of the characters have names < 1362292442 356205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At this point I am confused. < 1362292444 110078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn awesome < 1362292444 994953 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "awesome" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1362292445 159398 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1362292445 308781 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: inspiring awe or admiration or wonder; "New York is an < 1362292445 308985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : amazing city"; "the Grand Canyon is an awe-inspiring < 1362292445 309160 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sight"; "the awesome complexity of the universe"; "this < 1362292447 62970 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[4 @more lines] < 1362292451 476248 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one character (a shuriken-throwing ninja) who appears exactly twice, makes a grand appearance that's hard to exist, and although his name is never said in-game, it's apparently "Shakespeare" < 1362292452 313395 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awe-full < 1362292456 361192 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, that's my real name. < 1362292461 789735 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I am Josiah "pikhq" Worcester. < 1362292462 364700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that makes him rather more awesome than he would be otherwise < 1362292479 230549 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: SDA grammar? (SDA always presents nicknames like that, it looks weird) < 1362292488 796216 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Anyways. I'm a student at UCCS. < 1362292492 364346 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: SDA? < 1362292497 384093 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: there's a UCCS in falcon? < 1362292498 143458 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speedrunning site < 1362292503 31195 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. That one. < 1362292508 214374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"University of Colorado Colorado Springs"? < 1362292510 284097 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: No, I drive the 15 miles. < 1362292513 264358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they actually call it that? < 1362292516 563297 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fancy < 1362292517 967159 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1362292519 394600 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, the girl with the blue helmet in the red circle in that chart is Nepeta < 1362292532 603749 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Though there *is* a PPCC campus out here now. < 1362292535 258107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's like looking into a cosmirror. < 1362292541 775703 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(She's in that relationship, and also wants to be in the relationship that has her and the guy with the Cancer symbol) < 1362292542 423742 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's kinda pathetic, but nevertheless. < 1362292544 200473 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: feel free to give me a ring sometime and I'll buy you a beer, or your age bracket's equivalent of beer < 1362292557 519524 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My age bracket's equivalent of beer is beer, so. < 1362292574 748969 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the sentence can be optimized < 1362292575 316957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ring? Isn't it a bit early for that? < 1362292578 521443 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly just started on some meds that scream "don't use alcohol" though. < 1362292589 588429 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( what ails you? < 1362292591 248875 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, look at the probably not relationship < 1362292603 678332 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depression. ... So, twice bad idea actually. < 1362292630 141840 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll buy you a whore, then < 1362292635 114211 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I recommend not trying to implement Feather as a depression cure < 1362292640 600303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried once, I thought it might help < 1362292641 68723 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: No plans to. < 1362292644 609408 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead I ended up depressed /and/ confused < 1362292657 54427 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ironically yeah <.< took 3 years though < 1362292659 148364 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Meh. < 1362292661 822098 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought he meant, "not trying to implement feather" as a depression cure < 1362292671 420005 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear sex is good for sadness < 1362292675 190318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362292680 347728 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :though not suitable as a long term cure < 1362292680 619219 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but not really for depression. < 1362292694 405818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"trying not to implement Feather" is a combination that hasn't been tried, perhaps? < 1362292702 353973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the usual state of affairs is "trying to not implement Feather" < 1362292713 406753 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and occasionally, "trying to implement not-Feather" < 1362292728 184277 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, sex with girlfriend does not exactly do anything about feelings of self-loathing. < 1362292732 415300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I tell the difference between sadness because of my situation and depression? < 1362292744 443196 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: have you tried auto-fellatio? < 1362292758 359883 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: I am insufficiently flexible. < 1362292764 370706 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: :( < 1362292778 559473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: fwiw, as far as I can tell the best cure for depression is having something to achieve < 1362292794 201679 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's medical advice hour in #esoteric < 1362292802 13546 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: doc tells you you're crazy < 1362292811 813398 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is "seeing a psychologist" on that list? < 1362292833 293191 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which list < 1362292833 457887 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, um, getting out of bed is quite an accomplishment. < 1362292837 371504 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do we have an `mlist too < 1362292840 117398 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is "seeing a philosopher" on the other list? < 1362292845 587925 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mlist < 1362292847 139501 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mlist: not found < 1362292856 141331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seeing a psychologist sounds like a bad idea to me. < 1362292861 894975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that sounds more like flu than depression < 1362292868 391549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, what if I have an anti-psychologist neurosis? < 1362292870 177694 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, psychiatrist would be better < 1362292873 534955 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And anyways, I've just *started* medical treatment for it. < 1362292881 508942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychiatrist sounds like an even worse idea to me. < 1362292883 302202 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's pretty common with depression too. lack of energy and stuff < 1362292884 76715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, medical treatment sounds like it might help < 1362292914 161632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No! Philosopher would be better, unless you are really religious in which case you should go to church instead. < 1362292915 988795 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who have it really really really bad can like, stay up for days straight starting at walls. < 1362292925 919436 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun times < 1362292933 155856 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Depression is rather different from merely being sad. Utter lack of energy and motivation, inability to enjoy things... < 1362292952 666571 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed an opportunity to call it anhedonia < 1362292957 176404 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did. < 1362292959 477100 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough word that you should use it as much as possible imo < 1362292962 625316 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis. < 1362292970 640480 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Particularly if it's applicable. < 1362292977 369555 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed < 1362292985 665556 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anhedonia may be the worst thing. < 1362292987 482979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, Bike's word is indeed good < 1362292991 115044 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, um, I don't think philosophy can fix brain chemical balance issues < 1362293016 4587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it could change the way you react to them < 1362293021 559375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I also don't think so, but it is worth a try < 1362293021 883888 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i'm not sure how to feel about the "chemical imbalance" thing < 1362293044 639410 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the one hand, it helps dissociate it from the common "just stop being sad" reaction. on the other, it's not very accurate and biopsychiatry by itself isn't so great < 1362293070 544071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also had not seen the word "biopsychiatry" before < 1362293070 734682 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it vary from case to case? < 1362293076 917697 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a *lot* closer than many misconceptions of how depression works, though. < 1362293077 964805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION invents molecular philosophy < 1362293087 909391 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how about "depression is a brain state with negative consequences that is often difficult to escape through normal means"? < 1362293095 640539 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a more accurate description? < 1362293098 471381 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Sounds complicated. < 1362293104 940055 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that clearly depression is an unusual and tricky brain state. < 1362293109 171233 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Probably what Fiora said, I guess. < 1362293128 158678 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining, like. a gradient descent search getting caught in a valley < 1362293129 552805 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1362293130 757189 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a dork < 1362293131 781708 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :biopsychiatry is just psychiatry from a biological view; you're insane because your neurotransmitters don't bond dopamine the right way, or w/e < 1362293153 377683 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately chemical treatment alone isn't always effective. < 1362293171 235455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't have anything to do, then do something else. < 1362293187 156583 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :molecular philosophy is, like, do atoms have rights? < 1362293194 683500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if not, why not? < 1362293203 966559 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was thinking mereology. < 1362293211 70793 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think anything capable of asking for civil rights should be granted them < 1362293215 700696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you replace every atom of someone with another atom, when do they lose their rights? < 1362293216 119812 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, tell me, have atoms asked? < 1362293223 563947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362293224 913537 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :large groups of atoms have asked! < 1362293225 507112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main = putStrLn "May I have civil rights?" < 1362293225 670371 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike : for some mental illnesses that's the best treatment we have I think < 1362293242 136940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Well, yes, I think so too. But still, you must think of it more thoroughly. < 1362293248 933712 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: usually some kind of therapy along with drugs helps. but as you said (or, asked) it varies from case to case. < 1362293261 23909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, atom will have a rights to be atomic, for example. < 1362293269 500738 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: >civil rights < 1362293272 565805 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Be nice if it were... Simple, easy cure for being in a state where "pleasure" is nontrivial would be nice. < 1362293280 724967 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: was that a pun? < 1362293281 146922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't do other things, so the other rights simply is not applicable; therefore you don't answer yes or no. < 1362293283 924370 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: but can you really say atoms are "groups" in any meaningful sense ehhhhh?? < 1362293295 50706 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know. < 1362293336 818719 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and on the other side, http://depressioncomix.tumblr.com/image/41893397817 < 1362293341 286009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Everything is "groups" of stuff simply defined as being stuff by the division we are using into physical objects; that is not the only way to do it! All the universe is one thing all together. < 1362293349 75881 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well, you can offer civil rights, even if they are incapable of using them < 1362293374 261117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: It wouldn't be useful or even meaningful though. < 1362293378 595530 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Mmm. I recently was linked to that tumblr. It is... rather too applicable. < 1362293379 644991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait I just noticed the topic < 1362293381 766866 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose fault is that? < 1362293393 230079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, :( < 1362293400 187306 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: doesn't matter. If they ask, they'll be offered them. They needn't take advantage of it < 1362293401 349686 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i know, right :( < 1362293402 406625 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even angry, I don't think it technically breaks any rules < 1362293403 465879 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should they have the rights? Yes, but since it isn't even meaningful to say does have such rights, it is not yes. < 1362293404 537961 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just isn't useful < 1362293415 122367 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: also: collectively, atoms are capable of taking advantage of civil rights < 1362293424 498181 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think zzo38's viewpoint makes a lot of sense here < 1362293429 309444 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the funny thing is, the comic's by the same guy as did Sexy Losers. < 1362293444 226145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: O, yes, of course you can do that, I suppose. But *if they ask* it means. Really you consider the large object consisting of many atoms, which is ask. < 1362293450 811118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, was he depressed? I remember he stopped doing them < 1362293455 924671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they ask individually, is they aren't. < 1362293456 825983 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: but, more to the point, anyone capable of asking for civil rights is also capable of, say, casting a vote < 1362293465 744547 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was, it would be meaningful! < 1362293478 568211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it cannot civil rights then it cannot ask, either. < 1362293484 630059 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: He is, but I don't think that's why he stopped. I think he does Sexy Losers ish comics occasionally on another tumblr actually. < 1362293487 795720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: casting votes can be automated very easily < 1362293510 969299 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean computers need rights? < 1362293515 261092 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Yes, that is true. < 1362293521 592741 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: just one example. The point here is that someone capable of communicating their desire for civil rights is capable of communicating their opinions as offered by those rights < 1362293527 85928 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But not really relevant, until you figure out the first thing, really? < 1362293529 251379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(arguably, all evolutions in voting methods have been attempts to avoid the automation of voting) < 1362293538 289115 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, yeah, SirCmpwn. Appreciate the offer of beer, but ATM I've got a stock of such that I intend not to drink because I do not want to see how fluoxetine and ethanol interact. < 1362293547 614731 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: before you say "I'll write a script to ask for civil rights", know that I'll find you and slap the shit out of you < 1362293549 728664 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Computers are what they are programmed to be. < 1362293569 358235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: you can write a script to print words to the screen, but I don't know if it would understand what it was saying < 1362293572 926632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does mathematical formulas have the right to vote *by themself*? You cannot easily count all the possible ones... < 1362293579 204439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can write a script to request civil rights for the author of the script < 1362293579 354031 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :voting is pointless anyway haven't you all heard of arrow's theorem !!! < 1362293589 626461 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, if sentient computing is achieved, those computers should be granted civil rights < 1362293604 464479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I have, it doesn't really prove that voting is pointless though < 1362293616 992624 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn, didn't I do that just above? < 1362293618 988872 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, it just proves that except in ideal circumstances, all voting methods have defects < 1362293623 841519 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The thing that you said you'd slap ais523 for? < 1362293634 949567 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I didn't notice, but I'd slap you over it, too < 1362293636 404527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you've been slapped down by the channel often enough already < 1362293660 322565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I /still/ don't recommend attempting to give your girlfriend cancer < 1362293670 125938 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm forced to agree. < 1362293673 572171 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric : But, yeah, SirCmpwn. Appreciate the offer of beer, but ATM I've got a stock of such that I intend not to drink because I do not want to see how fluoxetine and ethanol interact. < 1362293679 103382 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(backstory: some of the other members of the channel recommended that as a joke, AFAICT; I disagreed with them) < 1362293684 61247 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362293685 41977 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has not been paying attention to this room enough. < 1362293686 867336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have room with people who don't know Chinese but will follow all the instructions given to them to make an answer to a question in Chinese (like ELIZA and some computer programs, but completely by hand), are they Chinese? < 1362293687 16790 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: alright, no problem. Swap beer out for "social gathering" if you wish < 1362293691 382467 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(further backstory: it's not entirely clear whether Sgeo actually has a girlfriend) < 1362293703 31313 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Very well then, sounds reasonable. < 1362293719 543811 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But really you must consider mathematics. Can a mathematics think? < 1362293736 198679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a girlfriend as of more recently than that occurred. < 1362293738 481352 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, i can't even joke off of what zzo38 said, because I just KNOW some psephologist has considered how elections would work in the presence of countably infinite voters. < 1362293740 338324 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to ask if a computer can think; I want to ask if a mathematics can think! < 1362293760 1631 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :('psephologist' is a good word too btw) < 1362293762 125188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what's a psephologist? < 1362293769 512700 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I suppose a sufficiently complex algorithm could think, but only with the assistance of a human interpreter, whose skills would be far too lacking to manage it < 1362293772 247058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, you've come up with three words I didn't know in less than an hour < 1362293779 271040 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: someone who studies voting systems < 1362293798 312985 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what his talking-here stats have looked like in the past couple years, but can't be bothered to write the script for that. < 1362293798 997621 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or similar things < 1362293811 668099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie may have those stats to hand already < 1362293814 313726 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I think fizzie made some fancy-looking graphs. < 1362293816 267311 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he likes doing those sorts of stats < 1362293823 118361 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like fetching the logs and grepping the logs to generate a histogram, but *eh* < 1362293842 158718 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Are you sure? Well, the same algorithm could be put into a computer, although possibly it would be too complicated to put into the computer, too. Even so, some things may be too large for the universe, and/or can have mathematical formulas that nobody has figured out yet. < 1362293862 194635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow%27s_impossibility_theorem#Infinitely_many_individuals < 1362293868 647790 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit. Dammit! < 1362293874 592516 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think that the human mind is just a really, really, REALLY complicated program < 1362293885 112958 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, if you want to ask if a computer can think, also ask, can a submarine swim? < 1362293906 471322 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :a submarine can swim as a proxy for a sentient being or an AI < 1362293915 103193 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a vehicle, it doens't calculate < 1362293920 182346 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or think) < 1362293926 23155 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: from my point of view, I'm basically 100% certain that it's possible for a computer to be sentient < 1362293934 180565 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure either way whether any currently existing computers are sentient < 1362293934 759648 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more and more convinced that zzo38 is Gary P. Rastov. < 1362293946 750461 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ok i gotta admit i fully support the use of ultrafilters in social sciences < 1362293946 998771 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect that there will be a human brain emulator within the century, zzo38 < 1362293952 647503 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: From my point of view, I don't know. < 1362293955 567901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362293962 366645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope Norns aren't sentient < 1362293968 228672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so… kmc's link basically says that there are voting systems that don't allow tactical voting when infinitely many voters are involved, but they're noncomputable? < 1362293969 571690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they are, I'm ... rather horrible < 1362293972 487495 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So! Terminology bit here. < 1362293991 59613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I expect, everything is mathematics. So, even the universe is mathematics. But, not necessarily mathematics that has exactly one solution all the time; it can be no solution, multiple solutions, and can even be uncomputable. < 1362293997 630949 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sentient" means roughly "can feel sensations". Things like dolphins are dogs are sapient. You are probably talking about sapience. < 1362294005 755340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: and they contain 'invisible dictators' which are? < 1362294015 928236 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Just to clarify, you know I'm not serious about thinking you're a sociopath, right? < 1362294022 704788 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *are sentient < 1362294031 545989 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thanks for the correction < 1362294049 212545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wait, did you correct a veiled insult into an actual insult? < 1362294049 869780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, somewhat, yes < 1362294054 629022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the author of a book can make any of the characters dead and/or illogical however they want, isn't it? < 1362294057 861368 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no? < 1362294078 181011 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't have mentioned it except that the question for Sgeo is actually whether Norns are sentient, rather than sapient, since he's just worried about inflicting pain on them, not selling them insurance. < 1362294082 268855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: if you prove to someone that they don't exist, do they stop existing? < 1362294083 870867 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, although I know someone who is somewhat concerned about what I (and others) would do if sapient computer programs are created < 1362294094 28881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you ask "are infinitely large societies governed without tactical voting all dictatorships?" the answer depends on whether you're using classical or constructive logic? < 1362294098 761890 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or sentient?) < 1362294103 829495 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He uses the word conscious. < 1362294114 104123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I hope the answer depends on the axiom of choice < 1362294116 686054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: If the proof is correct, they didn't exist at the time either, so they won't stop either. < 1362294116 846711 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"conscious" is good for that yeah, since it's more common :P < 1362294118 878142 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might even be relevant! < 1362294126 753071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hmm, indeed < 1362294146 633115 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty convinced that people have made robots that can feel hunger. It's an odd thing to think about. < 1362294153 585361 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norns do have brains that detect pain, and react to such < 1362294159 134772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So either way they won't stop existing. < 1362294162 947350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemme upload a picture of the norn brain < 1362294164 25060 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's this meaning of "norn"? < 1362294176 470999 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's a thing in an alife game called Creatures. < 1362294195 736374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the only meaning I know offhand is a specific mythological figure who's in charge of valkyries < 1362294198 54542 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know much about Creatures but it doesn't seem like they're any more complicated than, like, nematodes. < 1362294229 714864 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dl.dropbox.com/u/16240872/Creatures/chichi_brain.PNG < 1362294251 641554 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Basically they're virtual animals with such things as distinguishable "personalities", and C&C of their bodies through an artificial neural network. And they have some genetics. < 1362294257 749140 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drive is things like hunger, pain, boredom < 1362294261 234760 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hmm < 1362294271 983639 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: How many neurons is this, out of curiosity? < 1362294277 62370 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nematodes have I think... 293? < 1362294278 981483 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should change my pants < 1362294280 949424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :attention and decision are the outputs: What they're focusing on, and what the action is < 1362294284 765921 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to the store and bought more < 1362294292 937810 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I think my own personal barrier for "when should something be considered sentient" is "the thing can communicate and add meaningfully to a discussion" < 1362294294 565135 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the fly is busted on this one < 1362294295 452215 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course nematodal neurons are more complicated, but hey. < 1362294307 692934 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: define meaningfully < 1362294311 73807 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this can in some cases include unborn children, and many animals < 1362294322 37046 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :unborn children wat < 1362294325 954023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: you end up knowing more/different than if it hadn't contributed to the discussion < 1362294327 311436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :comb is 40*13 = 520 I think (if I counted the verbs right) < 1362294345 213207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: it's possible for unborn children to communicate, once they're negative-young enough, isn't it? < 1362294345 499530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, also, the lobes and dendrites all have pieces of code in a weird language < 1362294349 418793 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, nematodes have 302. < 1362294351 336948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not visible on there < 1362294353 775602 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather c. elegans do. < 1362294357 432823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the mother can feel the inside of her womb < 1362294360 852643 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it's barely possible for them to communicate *after* birth < 1362294371 198137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would say the most important thing is the drive->comb dendrites < 1362294376 827249 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, you know. C. elegans have 1031 cells, and of those 302 are neurons. That's like, almost a third! < 1362294386 900021 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :babies come out bumbling, stupid, and crippled, and become intelligent over the course of several months < 1362294390 425787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: they can communicate needing attemption versus not needing attention < 1362294393 505079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even from birth < 1362294397 458998 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so can a dog < 1362294401 34946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362294402 760190 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dogs are sentient < 1362294407 848108 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't yhey? < 1362294409 331682 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*they? < 1362294414 722293 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in Bike's definition of "capable of sensation"? < 1362294417 101683 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since each comb neuron corresponds to a particular course of action to take < 1362294421 571050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: as in my definition < 1362294424 722070 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like "eat seed" < 1362294427 394613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think pretty much everyone's < 1362294428 362354 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :state your defintion < 1362294429 571144 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: That's the generally-accepted notion of sentient actually. < 1362294435 293675 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And drive corresponds to things like pain and hunger < 1362294439 194548 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed, but there was confusion earlier < 1362294444 76934 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Star Trek "sentient" is a weird mutation of the term. < 1362294452 124208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think, everything is mathematics, or do you think, everything is physics, or something else different? < 1362294453 521446 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning basically "sapient". < 1362294462 139322 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is pretty jaded to "can computers think" sorts of arguments, if it's not obvious. < 1362294481 352911 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the response lobe does < 1362294484 142405 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, in a lot of contexts they're practically interchangeable. A sentient computer and a sapient computer would both be rather shocking. < 1362294485 486546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about it :/ < 1362294494 248017 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though the sapient computer more so) < 1362294496 153320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: isn't it possible that mathematics is physics, and so everything is both mathematics and physics? < 1362294510 291869 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yeah, it definitely sounds like norns have a lot of their behavioral repetoire pre-baked, but that's to be expected. < 1362294515 610318 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't think so! I think physics is mathematics. < 1362294532 291905 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, the point I was making earlier is that babies are not special and I wouldn't even call them capable of intelligence until many months after birth < 1362294548 743648 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :"intelligence" here meaning coherent thought like you and I are capable of < 1362294560 317671 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: So, "sapient". < 1362294567 184467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, well, yes, but not as you'd might think. The drive->comb connections are random at first, and the dendrites wander based on reward/punishment < 1362294569 437067 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362294571 858868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you and I... that is your self-centerism < 1362294581 565432 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wat < 1362294582 274011 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, babies take several months to become sapient. < 1362294584 452257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they have "instincts" in their genomes that make them dream of, say, eating a seed and being rewarded for it < 1362294585 901971 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: is it possible for physics to be mathematics, but mathematics to not be physics? < 1362294594 158525 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I still haven't played Creatures despite how cool it seems. Weird, huh? < 1362294607 901953 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, not entirely. Mathematics is beyond physics. < 1362294612 246365 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362294616 448747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, http://creaturesdockingstation.com/ < 1362294617 715704 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, at least, that is what I mean. < 1362294633 782413 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Hey, I last played a videogame for very long in 2010 or so, so... < 1362294647 682212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, the first screenshot on there isn't DS < 1362294649 973001 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :videogames can be good < 1362294654 196032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I last played a videogame a few hours ago < 1362294665 172962 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah, i still have it open, i just haven't gotten around to it. < 1362294669 628267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, one recent enough to have a copyright date of 2012 < 1362294679 477255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But have you played Super ASCII MZX Town a few minutes ago? < 1362294683 234152 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no < 1362294684 74933 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My queue just keeps growing and growing. < 1362294690 567170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably have guessed that < 1362294690 730419 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't bother with the registration thing though, I think the Warp is down anyway < 1362294697 85023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just get the offline option < 1362294707 769735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm… I don't keep a queue < 1362294709 861541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you played any Famicom game with the copyright date 2013? < 1362294712 406416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather I play what I feel like playing < 1362294713 941574 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: no < 1362294721 572677 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It's metaphorical in this case. < 1362294722 841624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I've played any game with the copyright date 2013 < 1362294733 807736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I jump around between games a lot, and replay them often < 1362294734 532957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or else public domain; even if it is not copyright. < 1362294737 687303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some are public domain) < 1362294752 561019 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to have a word with whoever designed scissor packaging that requires scissors to open < 1362294754 717527 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also got a giant queue of... every other form of media, really. < 1362294760 990866 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362294769 820389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SirCmpwn: Yes, I also want to complain to them too < 1362294776 855817 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a big pile of books < 1362294777 5182 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if there were a god, I'd call him a dick for even having "anhedonia" in the same universe as me) < 1362294778 414281 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally < 1362294779 733527 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362294796 689698 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also have a phone with an increasingly more irritating ebook reader < 1362294798 601716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so do I, but most of them I'm not intending to read again in the near future, or possibly at all < 1362294808 569189 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just it i haven't read them < 1362294810 869791 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they call for me... < 1362294826 110726 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't have an ebook reader that isn't also a general purpose computer < 1362294844 342348 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They still make machines that aren't also general purpose computers? < 1362294848 167336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all general purpose computers are ebook readers) < 1362294856 633671 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sure, in fact they're becoming more common, not less < 1362294864 912896 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa. < 1362294869 513774 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because they would be general purpose computers but have artificial restrictions so that they aren't < 1362294910 934426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why I make the computers which are very general purpose computers with no restrictions other than the security stuff that the user can always override anyways. < 1362294930 357132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to put it another way, specific purpose computers made using general purpose computers < 1362294933 486349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And to include instructions in the book, tell you how to override, how to program it, how everything is working.) < 1362294962 334013 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, I'd be very surprised if a computer you made was locked down < 1362295020 39490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To really ensure general purposes, to ensure it is made so that it can be made anyone can clone even not needing patents to do so (even if patented technology must be used, such that it can be made the same easily without it too), however, having a trademark license so that if someone makes the wrong clone, that they cannot use the same name. < 1362295030 50483 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362295089 823212 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, there are some restrictions on it but you can easily remove them without causing problems with existing software, so it is not a problem. < 1362295127 713550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Such as a reprogrammable ROM chip is normally not reprogrammable unless you move the corresponding jumper, which is clearly labeled in the instruction book.) < 1362295272 662593 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I mean really general purpose computer that you can even just turn on, and then type in the program codes and it will run (although you can also load the already existing programs too, even if they are already compiled). < 1362295294 239376 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly PC BIOS computers don't have that anymore but they should make them such. < 1362295306 898542 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Aristocrats! < 1362295343 84699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about aristocrats? < 1362295419 839149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the point of the Continue bit in the envelopes in AY8910? It seems to be the same shape as the ones that do continue than the ones tat don't (since you can also use the Hold bit). < 1362295432 857407 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Bike's referencing a famous joke pattern which ends up saying "the aristocrats" as a non sequitur < 1362295457 789063 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke pattern's sufficiently famous that you can reference the joke pattern just by using the punchline, the rest of the joke is irrelevant < 1362295466 677661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1362295467 620099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although if you do it that way, it isn't actually funy < 1362295469 149233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*funny < 1362295474 820675 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo's version has way less rape, admittedly. < 1362295501 922541 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Version of what? < 1362295511 76506 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The joke. < 1362295532 492227 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362295611 928941 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :having fewer rapes sounds like a good thing, generally speaking < 1362295625 163731 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless something else bad increases to compensate, then it might or might not be a good thing < 1362295632 285414 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo: I'm not sure hardware envelopes make sense on chips with that few gates :o < 1362295634 602728 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's true. < 1362295661 33993 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's "rape" by the older definition of "seize" or "capture", ais523? < 1362295666 285065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: But they do have hardware envelopes. I don't know how many gates AY8910 has. < 1362295677 776994 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In context it is not, taneb. < 1362295682 884951 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay7 < 1362295694 141115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: then it depends on what's being seized and captured, and using the more modern words would be helpful in order to reduce confusion and avoid bad connotations < 1362295696 11441 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay7 is like "Gr8" but not as good < 1362295719 922896 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay with a salute < 1362295724 160097 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, fewer rapes seems like a generally good policy. < 1362295737 692014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… today seems to be the ais523 "have I mentioned I'm lawful good yet" day < 1362295745 61678 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 march, I must remember that < 1362295752 854089 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1362295754 501781 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent "Iä" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. < 1362295756 118103 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"btw, rape? bad" < 1362295826 557658 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Agent \"I\" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good." > wisdom/ais523 < 1362295829 936393 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362295832 667392 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1362295834 369210 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent "I" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1362295851 602920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I think I'm almost always lawful good, just more likely to point it out on the 3rd of March < 1362295853 895056 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What character encoding do you want to use? < 1362295861 316229 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-EBCDIC < 1362295865 471658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: utf-8 is a generally useful character encoding < 1362295868 318041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here is not 3rd of march, yet. < 1362295872 919766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UCS-2.625 < 1362295877 613707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ouch for reminding me that exists < 1362295877 858417 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-EBCDIC is not ASCII so don't use that. < 1362295881 328477 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1362295889 719467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Use UTF-8 if you want to, though, or CP437, or whatever else. < 1362295894 450417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are a lot of encodings that aren't ASCII < 1362295897 409364 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them, in fact < 1362295897 960652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CP437 is also not ASCII < 1362295906 804788 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO/IEC 8859-14 < 1362295908 491470 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 likes supersets of ascii. < 1362295908 640869 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 is, at least, compatible with ASCII < 1362295909 652403 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's cp435 again < 1362295918 760757 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you are wrong CP437 is ASCII, and so is UTF-8. < 1362295923 51025 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about SHIFT-JIS? < 1362295929 612864 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good encoding" < 1362295932 250705 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: CP437 is DOS. < 1362295946 715692 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SHIFT probably isn't supposed to be in allcaps, but I feel loud. < 1362295947 322451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Oh, apparently there are multiple CP437s? < 1362295953 698960 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Namely, the character set used by DOS in the US. < 1362295958 519698 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of the one that has 0x01 representing ☺ and all that. < 1362295963 247761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what about SHIFT-JIS, except you replace the shift codes with gambling games and add network transparency < 1362295966 643039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, just one CP437 the others are other codepages. < 1362295968 931739 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the common ones are utf8 win32 (\r\n), utf8 linux, latin1 win32, latin1 linux, and then shift jis and a couple of other popular asian encodings < 1362295975 298279 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIS-620 < 1362295975 759587 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, that's CP437. < 1362295976 605597 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: good encoding. w/o sacrequotes < 1362295977 975121 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes 0x01 is the happy face in CP437 < 1362295980 341608 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scare* < 1362296000 293532 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by latin1 I mean codepage whatever (the one used in win32, not the one with the dumb extended control characters) < 1362296012 706516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: windows-1252? < 1362296022 173065 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362296036 202992 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also has some freakish iso name < 1362296046 905702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use whatever encoding I need depending on the program being used, but is usually ASCII. Sometimes some parts of programs might use other encodings even though it is mostly ASCII, such as VGMCK which is ASCII except for GD3 tags which are UTF-8 and are converted into UTF-16. < 1362296047 976892 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, Code page 437 < 1362296055 474491 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everybody calls it latin-1 because, well, it's a zillion times more mnemotechnic < 1362296060 865508 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shift-JIS is perhaps the worst encoding devised. < 1362296070 845405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't call Windows-1252 Latin-1! < 1362296071 452392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: worse than the one I suggested just above? < 1362296075 337830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, don't call it ANSI. < 1362296078 170040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: latin-1 is a different encoding < 1362296082 653619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :People who call things ANSI are evil. < 1362296084 892532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since UTF-16 is not ASCII, it uses UTF-8 so that you can still use ASCII, and UTF-8 is otherwise the closest thing to convert to UTF-16. < 1362296086 952695 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :latin-1 = iso-8859-1 ≠ windows-1252 < 1362296089 412713 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Not worse than that. < 1362296090 290321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Things other than ANSI, that is.) < 1362296093 846633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The institute.) < 1362296094 852668 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO-8859-1 is latin1 is not Windows-1252 is not CP437 < 1362296095 2071 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: it's IBM's original version < 1362296096 155249 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it's probably just the most known weird country-specific encoding thing... eastern europe had a lot, didn't it? < 1362296099 520061 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also windows calls windows-1252 ansi for no obvious reason < 1362296100 669616 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: which nobody used < 1362296101 549105 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "ANSI" is weirdo Windows-speak for "legacy charset". < 1362296119 232887 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Likewise "Unicode" is weirdo Windows-speak for "UTF-16". < 1362296120 280466 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they are helpfully numbered from latin-1 up to latin-15 or so < 1362296120 948467 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually it also accepts CESU-8, as well as overlong encodings, but you don't have to use those if you don't want to.) < 1362296126 897980 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: beautiful < 1362296127 709178 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: does it have a defined endianness? < 1362296131 529671 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's also the worst. < 1362296137 255972 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's pretty worst. < 1362296137 584835 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: UTF-16LE. < 1362296141 870619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, sometimes Windows people mean "Unicode" by "Unicode". < 1362296142 186266 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1362296145 389631 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not utf16 < 1362296145 566244 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because Windows is only little-endian. < 1362296146 205063 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :die < 1362296158 835539 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything's little endian < 1362296160 518911 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I have no idea how Cyrillic was typed up. Or is typed up for that matter. < 1362296169 363401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :four thr thr fivee < 1362296171 26462 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What were they using on pirate C64s in the 80s? < 1362296188 989066 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: cyrillic has a comparable number of letters to latin, doesn't it? < 1362296193 512207 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows is little endian even on CPUs that are usually big endian. < 1362296194 491798 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362296197 587795 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably just using ordinary keyboards except relabeled < 1362296207 286594 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the encoding, but yeah I see your point. < 1362296211 276155 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe China then... < 1362296224 469390 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i already know how weird chinese input methods get < 1362296236 731903 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you mean on Alpha? < 1362296242 618930 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also MIPS. < 1362296247 652126 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the commands in the program are ASCII, and the comments can be whatever encodings you want (except ASCII control codes), so the program correctly follows the principle of extended ASCII. < 1362296251 993356 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a mips version of windows?!? < 1362296256 163958 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NT 4! < 1362296260 921737 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::o < 1362296263 780637 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1362296299 156471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what about identifiers? < 1362296315 557735 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the main place where you might want to accept outside-ASCII characters in source code < 1362296317 990973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and string constants < 1362296321 899410 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even more so < 1362296338 105616 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I think most code is still stored as latin1 < 1362296343 709267 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and character constants if you don't consider them a special case of string constants) < 1362296355 392123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: most code is in ASCII, and thus can't be distinguished between latin-1 and UTF-8 < 1362296360 766954 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with windows cr-lf or just lf depending on the coder < 1362296360 989174 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when I write … in a comment out of habit < 1362296370 65658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it depends more on the editor and OS than the coder < 1362296375 46133 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362296383 713647 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I usually use utf-8 because i dump «spinäl t©p» sorts of things everywhere < 1362296389 266918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Those things are not applicable to this program. Identifiers for macros are just one character and only ASCII, and string constants are only used in GD3 tags, which are UTF-16, so it accepts UTF-8 there and will convert them to UTF-16. < 1362296400 416579 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Linux systems, stuff is usually UTF-8. < 1362296423 883925 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to the point where I generally think you should just say "a string is in UTF-8. Period.") < 1362296432 222781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed a discussion of CP 437 :( < 1362296434 530475 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And on Windows, Microsoft is fucking crazy. < 1362296435 517369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other programs with string constants such as in C, you should allow any characters, and just encode the bytes as is. So, if it is UTF-8, then your program will work with UTF-8. < 1362296438 751911 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also for console programs, windows gives you filenames etc in latin-1 < 1362296448 974206 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Not quite. It's crazier. < 1362296452 213756 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: bush hid the facts < 1362296452 856204 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, codepage whatever but still) < 1362296454 214573 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually isn't "take encoding from locale" the usual default? and aren't most locales latin-n by default but people tend to use the utf-8 versions nowadays? < 1362296455 875117 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I use CP437 when working on Linux. < 1362296483 941081 :Gracenotes_!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362296485 222593 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's worse than cp437 is that there's a different version that windows sometimes uses < 1362296492 499954 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Windows has a very comprehensive scheme for working with arbitrary charsets. They *refuse* to extend it to handle UTF-8. < 1362296499 308018 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which has no point except it screws up your DOS programs < 1362296503 171604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the Linux console is only 256 character codes anyways, then Unicode is too much and is too complicated. < 1362296516 52204 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362296519 898016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-8 data can still be worked with though, in programs that are using UTF-8 data, but not in other programs, please. < 1362296522 738176 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: The only way of using Unicode on Windows is to use their non-conformant wchar_t interfaces. < 1362296528 662473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… the Linux console understands the code for "enter UTF-8 mode" < 1362296532 627804 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1362296533 493104 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can it not render it once you've done that? < 1362296537 606683 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Along with their ultra-weird UTF-16 entry point. < 1362296547 880708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and wchar_t isn't designed for utf-8 < 1362296551 814841 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1362296552 622349 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Almost all distros default to UTF-8 thought. < 1362296554 99784 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's designed for utf-32, really < 1362296561 219791 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but on Windows it's UTF-16. < 1362296568 283113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wide character strings are meant to be fixed-width < 1362296570 354359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, turn on UTF-8 but there is also the code to turn off the UTF-8. < 1362296573 828546 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :utf-8 is multibyte character strings, instead < 1362296585 883699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's so you don't end up stuck in utf-8 mode forever < 1362296588 335315 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also case sensitivity is based on a large LUT < 1362296589 342505 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: The trick is, char* strings on Windows cannot be UTF-8. < 1362296594 788193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362296599 29386 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gets updated depending on your windows version < 1362296606 180703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, so you can switch depending on what programs you are using, then. < 1362296607 116349 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire OS only does legacy charsets that way. < 1362296611 151765 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ever. < 1362296627 591212 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so two files that are different can become the same if the unicode char gets added to the table < 1362296631 87101 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :really there should be a "utf8char" type < 1362296637 355814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or mbchar < 1362296637 525392 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: That is, using the Windows API calls; using your own programs they can be whatever encoding you want to. < 1362296639 218030 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you have to rewrite your code to handle Unicode. < 1362296643 388631 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that represents one byte of a multibyte encoding < 1362296650 460123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to rewrite your code to handle Unicode /anyway/ < 1362296657 168484 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then it won't handle Turkish correctly < 1362296680 445184 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh in the tool I'm working on I just disallow anything over >128 < 1362296684 612188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually I don't handle Unicode or anything since instead I will just use ASCII, and depending what it is, using UTF-8 might still work with it, and possibly other encodings too. < 1362296688 935926 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with turkish < 1362296695 856231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: What took are you working on? < 1362296696 194715 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: dotless i < 1362296696 344257 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though their API is set so the meaning of char* is determined by whatever charset is in use, and they actually have it ultra-mega-crazy to work with stuff like Shift-JIS. < 1362296706 484687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it has capitalization rules that are inconsistent with other languages < 1362296709 971792 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's a fun character < 1362296714 6743 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yeah, but a lot of code will "just work" with UTF-8. < 1362296716 479902 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike : also dotted capital I < 1362296727 315802 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially on Windows, where people actually use Shift-JIS in char* strings. < 1362296742 378579 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike : essentially it uses dotless i to represent the same sound as japanese 'u' < 1362296745 130955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, depending what it is you might not have to do anything special, so you can use UTF-8 or whatever if you want to. < 1362296757 95786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: so what's the problem? NIH syndrome? < 1362296762 110588 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: and that character isn't in unicode? < 1362296764 32730 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a weird thing to not support along with other encodings < 1362296766 295540 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I have not the foggiest clue. < 1362296770 40889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough < 1362296770 190357 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: no it's in unicode < 1362296781 481946 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: but that totally screws up capitalization < 1362296790 75822 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the caps version of i isn't I anymore < 1362296799 959988 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But now, Windows dev communities are the most confused about how character encoding works. < 1362296807 158692 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :baking capitalization into unicode seems like a bad idea anyway < 1362296811 462975 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And especially Unicode. < 1362296813 167873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'It is considered particularly ironic that Atatürk himself, in his lengthy speech to the new Parliament in 1927, used a style of Ottoman which sounded so alien to later listeners that it had to be "translated" three times into modern Turkish: first in 1963, again in 1986, and most recently in 1995' < 1362296831 365220 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: once for each coup AM I RIGHT FOLKS < 1362296831 514837 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unicode is full of problems and too much complexity. < 1362296844 967469 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: you have to, because the win32 file system is case sensitive < 1362296845 576746 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, anyone know how that Cyrillic letter that looks like a backwards R is pronounced? I'm guessing neutral vowel, but could do with confirmation < 1362296858 667467 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: so you have to process case < 1362296864 462206 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : 'ya' < 1362296866 604917 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How worth it would it be to write an Apache Wave server in Haskell < 1362296869 930992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless simply allowing UTF-8 in some parts of the program just in order to convert to UTF-16 if the output format uses it, is not complicated. < 1362296873 32062 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: hmm, OK < 1362296874 639164 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not worth anything < 1362296885 40152 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : the one that's neutral vowel looks like bI < 1362296889 697396 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'd say Microsoft's failure to support UTF-8 is the single greatest reason for people thinking Unicode is a 16-bit encoding) < 1362296898 61120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how strong is the 'a'? I'm guessing short 'a', is it strong or is it reasonably neutral? < 1362296900 387715 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember a natural language that used capital letters in its orthography, but I can't remember... < 1362296901 460979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why VGMCK accepts UTF-8 in GD3 tags. < 1362296912 451252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that might well play into Microsoft's hands < 1362296916 101200 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : russian doesn't have vowel length < 1362296921 71521 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're attempting to have the web misencoded for some reason < 1362296924 679123 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : or strong vs weak vowels < 1362296930 708742 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: hmm < 1362296936 958159 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so long a and short a are heard the same by a russian speaker? < 1362296947 637152 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :russian has only normal a < 1362296956 39510 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Text macros in VGMCK are named by a single ASCII character; any bytes >= 128 are not acceptable.) < 1362296956 840056 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: This is a stupid legacy decision that predates things like "broadband Internet". < 1362296960 414390 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: yeah but how does it correspond to English letters? < 1362296968 594132 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: doens't predate dial-up < 1362296970 838092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*doesn't < 1362296976 699066 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuugh i'm groaning in sympathy for phonologists i know, guys < 1362296978 337030 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least to me is reasonable like that. < 1362296980 719383 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They made this mistake way back in NT 3.1 days. < 1362296990 751447 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This actually predates commercial ISPs. < 1362297008 430554 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think BBSes were older, weren't they? < 1362297025 700588 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't really see how it matters < 1362297026 751187 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but they weren't Internet service providers. < 1362297030 636316 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : there are two sets of vowels, they call them "hard" vs "soft"... essentially normal vs y+vowel < 1362297064 464455 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: yeah, basically my problem is, if I tried to pronounce Russian, would I be accidentally saying letters that didn't exist, or would what I said be perceived as a Russian letter whether it was English short a or English long a? < 1362297084 111311 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phonemes. phonemes that don't exist. < 1362297096 267963 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, yes < 1362297110 213096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tired, OK :) < 1362297120 885177 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too :( < 1362297133 419507 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, Japanese doesn't have a separate "l" and "r", but the letters are separate in English < 1362297142 60536 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard: А Э Ы О У = a e o u (a eh japanese-u o oo) < 1362297151 155769 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in fact Japanese "r" is not the same vowel as either. < 1362297157 586687 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't japanese "r" more like "d" < 1362297163 397297 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: indeed < 1362297166 57458 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :american english "d" I guess < 1362297169 58018 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, but it sounds similarish. < 1362297170 994409 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god this is hard to talk about < 1362297184 692661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but Japanese people will hear the two english letters the same, and thus they can be used interchangeably by an English speaker attempting to speak Japanese < 1362297191 175017 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they'll be understood equally well either way < 1362297192 982985 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ɾ is the IPA. < 1362297200 393750 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in high school I spent like an hour trying to pronounce "akira" japanesely once < 1362297204 90097 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or equally badly < 1362297212 937864 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :soft: Я Е И Ю (ya ye/yo yi yu) = "ya yeh/yo yee yoo" < 1362297215 227443 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION actually pronounces that sucker right < 1362297219 29042 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you. < 1362297223 387407 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just want to talk about my animes! < 1362297227 771389 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though my pitch accent is awful. < 1362297232 543268 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in dictionaries they spell yo as Ё I think < 1362297237 501932 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i have no even idea on pitch accent < 1362297238 205657 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My friend's mom (who is a lawyer) told me that I should just take the job (40k) without any negotiation or complaints, because I need a job on my resume < 1362297245 95406 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What animes? < 1362297249 526658 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(my /actual/ problem is "I have some Cyrillic which I suspect is English words transliterated into Cyrillic, how do I attempt to deduce what the original English was?") < 1362297251 871477 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i sort of understand how chinese pitch works, i think, but japanese aaaaagh what < 1362297255 703016 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the film, Akira. < 1362297261 767277 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 40k is more than I'm making < 1362297275 500307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, erm, in USD? < 1362297277 316246 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The trick with Japanese pitch accent is, it's not as firm as Chinese pitch at *all*. < 1362297278 128947 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : read them and figure out how close they are to US? < 1362297281 351722 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even in USD < 1362297284 591776 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1362297288 85510 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the dollar is really low right now < 1362297290 272639 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yeah, that probably doesn't help. < 1362297299 397503 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm hardly paid anything, although hopefully that'll change soon < 1362297303 700437 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like English stress. Saying it wrong sounds wrong, *but* each accent has their own "right" way. < 1362297314 707281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: and saying it wrong is also entirely intelligible < 1362297315 941751 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it seems like with chinese pitch is just part of the phoneme but with japanese... yeah, like that. < 1362297320 287560 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Exactly. < 1362297333 234903 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a really odd accent, a lot of people can barely understand me when I start taking quickly < 1362297333 528897 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, nothing wrong with sounding like a robot for a while i guess < 1362297356 159436 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps because I drop loads of consonants so that "cone" and "coat" become almost homophones < 1362297370 244552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking foreign languages isn't the same thing as sounding indistinguishable from a native < 1362297378 239405 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362297385 392445 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That's the ideal state. < 1362297389 322806 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're close enough, there's no ambiguity < 1362297393 332009 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just also damn near impossible to get. :P < 1362297402 806300 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it's past the point of return on investment < 1362297429 857614 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION nods < 1362297430 7043 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you're saying one of the sounds wrong, it can't be another sound because it's not closer to the wrong sounds than to the right one < 1362297440 451320 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like when you're using the wrong kind of "t" < 1362297454 957264 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds wrong but you can't change a word into another one < 1362297458 226925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there are several sounds in English that don't exist in specific other languages < 1362297464 417403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. French doesn't have a "th" < 1362297472 160015 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah "th" is the main one < 1362297473 766506 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't prevent native French speakers pronouncing English intelligibly < 1362297475 10084 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which 'th'? < 1362297480 542524 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1362297481 29963 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both. < 1362297481 662997 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: either of them < 1362297484 92260 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang < 1362297492 367893 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually there are three in English < 1362297494 895318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but two of them are quite similar < 1362297495 44681 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'th' is actually a fairly rare sound < 1362297502 82148 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais: 3????? < 1362297510 845252 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Maybe in your accent. < 1362297510 995123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember the examples offhand < 1362297520 61255 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 certaintly but not 34 < 1362297522 368087 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1362297524 414974 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 certaintly but not 3 < 1362297530 347169 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: hmm… I have a surprisingly average accent, actually < 1362297534 25423 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably depends on accent < 1362297543 274826 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my parents came from London, the other from Sheffield, and I live in Birmingham < 1362297551 730739 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I'm American. :P < 1362297556 73778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1362297563 635406 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've actually had some phoneme mergers. < 1362297579 837718 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "rare" sounds english has are "th" and the distinction of tense vs lax vowels < 1362297581 627039 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I have an accent pretty close to TV midwestern but apparently there are differences too subtle for me < 1362297584 771697 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well London is pretty far south, and Sheffield is considered to be northerly unless you live in Hexham < 1362297598 717121 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka long-tense-diphthongs vs short-lax-vowels < 1362297601 567319 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, mine is Midwestern-ish. < 1362297603 47575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hexham is further north than any sane person would live) < 1362297617 762950 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then, I'm physically Midwestern-ish. < 1362297620 980366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless they were Scottish, or Finnish, and have even further north people to compare to) < 1362297636 592025 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid southeners thinking Sheffield is north... < 1362297641 784732 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ee/ih, ay/eh, ah/a, o/oh, oo/ooh, uh, er < 1362297649 587298 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah < 1362297654 18736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's north compared to Birmingham < 1362297655 865106 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "er" is rare < 1362297662 1527 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the english version) < 1362297663 91402 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally think of sheffield as being towards the south end of tnorth < 1362297665 202328 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*north < 1362297673 46937 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas london is towards the east end of south < 1362297676 207398 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's further south than York! < 1362297677 348981 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, ha, i'm using a non-rhotic accent!!! < 1362297679 691138 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the english version of "r" is rare (but "r" sounds in general are common) < 1362297687 749397 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And York's like 100 miles to the south of me! < 1362297691 795715 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: apparently londoners think of /birmingham/ as north < 1362297705 986963 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's why nobody likes London < 1362297710 100990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION keeps misreading "York" as "New York". < 1362297712 169738 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly even oxford and milton keynes, but that would need verification < 1362297734 261990 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I can think of any reason anyone would care about the old one. < 1362297749 642835 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shViewth: the old one has existe dlonger < 1362297750 976080 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, v/w split isn't that common (a lot of languages have only 1 of these) < 1362297785 795320 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :w is arguably a form of u < 1362297789 729099 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the "zh" sound in stuff like pleasure, garage... isn't too common either < 1362297802 487541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"shViewth"? < 1362297804 793226 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : depends on the language < 1362297817 565468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: while typing that, my client also jumped to the top of the scrollback buffer < 1362297822 207085 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : in some languages is pretty much a fast vowel yes < 1362297828 605012 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Latin, u/v/w is one letter, as is i/j/y < 1362297834 578370 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow, I cannot avoid underestimating Konversation's scope for bizarre typos < 1362297841 365943 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 : but in a LOT of languages, including english, w is a consonant really < 1362297847 557165 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: y is a different letter in Greek loanwords < 1362297852 220647 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it? < 1362297852 618066 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, touche < 1362297854 417774 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and patterns with consonants < 1362297864 189655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: w is the consonant form of u < 1362297875 768361 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb : I'm pretty sure y is another variant of u actually < 1362297877 349479 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like y is the consonant form of i < 1362297882 415312 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also f < 1362297882 564741 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1362297899 164519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f isn't a form of u, surely < 1362297899 661031 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no y is greek upsilon < 1362297911 162959 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :f is from greek digamma < 1362297939 811948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see < 1362297940 367449 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is phonecian waw < 1362297948 706447 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The symbol comes from digamma, but it's closer to phi nowadays. < 1362297958 983477 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :upsilon is also from phonecian waw < 1362297986 389762 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, phi became English ph < 1362297992 678936 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric welcomes its new prime minister, Ed "Brainfuck Derivative" Centipede | Newsflash: every single letter is 'U' | Channel is publicly logged. You can find the URL in the log. < 1362297993 170493 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1362297995 918047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but ph and f are pronounced very similarly < 1362298001 167943 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ph%C3%B6nizisch-5Sprachen.svg chart < 1362298005 391325 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti responds to topic changes? < 1362298006 9645 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Please consider whether you can answer your own question. < 1362298007 668111 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so latin had f u (digamma which disappeared from greek, and upsilon basically) < 1362298019 143183 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then latin imported y for greek loanwords < 1362298026 378978 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it ended up with f u y < 1362298028 907652 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: because it starts with a #. dumb huh < 1362298030 680333 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#hey < 1362298035 443946 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nno? ok. < 1362298041 257116 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric al < 1362298041 430788 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1362298048 697647 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric Fueue < 1362298049 238689 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1362298056 490557 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bot < 1362298062 12743 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a weird error response < 1362298102 79004 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in middle age they started making u pointy when starting words < 1362298119 395318 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in Roman times it was always pointy < 1362298131 920221 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in uppercase < 1362298139 405864 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly because it was easier to engrave that way? < 1362298156 792249 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vvvvvv < 1362298156 969651 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :roman only really had one u sound < 1362298168 327009 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it didn't make sense to have two letters < 1362298231 789239 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah in the middle age languages like french, italian and english had developed a separate v and j sound < 1362298262 69508 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so people ran with the shape variation and turned them into distinct letters < 1362298337 397297 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :germans came up with a different solution to that problem < 1362298342 564137 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why we now have w < 1362298379 728975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although english w != german w < 1362298384 114881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*≠ < 1362298458 997403 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in english, w apparently was a replacement for wynn < 1362298546 508728 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyways, long story short, western european languages have lots of labial sounds < 1362298567 681654 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why waw has been split into 5 different variants :D < 1362298662 543585 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: ie ie ie ie ie < 1362298860 860455 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362299176 652990 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to put my weight behind Underload as featured language < 1362299349 907584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the problem is that elliott's no good at writing featured language blurbs < 1362299353 746615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and he won't let me write one for my own language < 1362299358 84356 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so someone else has to < 1362299369 481966 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's time to OPEN A TEXT EDITOR < 1362299437 709490 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, was Underload inspired by Muriel? < 1362299762 633683 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it was inspired by Overload < 1362299771 592940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wasn't really inspired by anything < 1362299774 17713 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload is a stack-based esoteric programming language invented by ais523. It is effectively a functional language, as the only available form of flow control moves data from the data stack into the program. Due to its simplicity, among other factors, it has been useful in proving other languages (such as Thutu and FALSE) Turing-complete. < 1362299789 659587 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how long is that compared to the existing blurbs? < 1362299808 693622 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :57 words < 1362299817 451554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/people_summary.html has per-day number-of-messages/characters for individual people. < 1362299822 865860 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362299831 203382 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quite short, actually < 1362299837 117085 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah I did a stack based functional language too back in the day < 1362299838 308375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hasn't been updated in the last week or two, must do that.) < 1362299846 766973 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Malbolge's is 99 words < 1362299885 193225 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Malbolge's is the longest < 1362299913 868777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's also all other kind of graphs there.) < 1362299921 835632 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mine was called tabarnac < 1362299955 558094 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you ever decide if Trustfuck is a metacircular compiler? < 1362299961 59037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362299977 225340 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I'm thinking in terms of visual width, rather than words < 1362299999 183227 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, it's quite short < 1362300018 532013 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Updated.) < 1362300083 475518 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My head hurts from the mathematical stupidity < 1362300088 151428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/philosophy/comments/19jqan/is_pi_proof_of_continuous_space/c8ou5gj?context=3 < 1362300107 358761 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My throat hurts for reasons I know not < 1362300121 850124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A rational number is not necessarily an integer. 3.14 is rational, 3.14 recurring is not. A rational number is one that can be subjected to an expression and give a sane answer. Demonstration: 3.14/5.69 = 17.8666. Both sides of the equation have sane numbers, and are therefore rational." < 1362300139 40223 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first sentence is okay < 1362300145 514238 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the first clause of the second sentence < 1362300149 169147 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After that... < 1362300351 548621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/NBXA wordnet concurs that rational $\approx$ sane. < 1362300384 701124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like to call them demythologized numbers, though. < 1362300388 636173 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has more flair. < 1362300486 785085 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I replied < 1362300500 12335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Bike But that's not equivalent at ALL! < 1362300500 417127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362300509 825637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I thought it needed more emphasis.) < 1362300577 936965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just realized that the phrase "3.14 recurring" is ambiguous < 1362300588 495811 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it 3.141414141414... or 3.1444444444444... < 1362300604 771524 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 3.14314314314314314314... < 1362300624 960897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or 3.14.14.14.14.14.14... < 1362300647 833469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb's option doesn't make any sense, though. < 1362300683 380774 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My option makes perfect sense when you remember that the person who said "3.14 recurring" is an idiot < 1362300717 785348 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.143.143.143.143.14... makes a lot more sense < 1362300729 184631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who's the idiot now, huh?) < 1362300928 278595 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other news, there is evidence suggesting Snoop whatever animal he is now reads Homestuck < 1362300947 773035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :3.141.3.141.3.141.3.14... maybe it goes back and forth. < 1362300989 713765 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb : as long as it's not mlp :D < 1362301028 59164 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, nothing wrong with mlp. At least one person in this channel watches mlp. < 1362301074 177651 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it isn't me! < 1362301233 190281 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my brother watches mlp :D < 1362301250 246555 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with Snoop Dogg either < 1362301251 703869 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :was saying it jokingly, I can't really criticize tbh < 1362301282 172188 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was this "smoke weed every day" meme not too long ago < 1362301290 193004 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's dead now though < 1362301294 138791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At least one person in this channel does X" != "nothing wrong with X". (In general, not just about the Window System.) < 1362301376 761824 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, those statements were only loosely related < 1362301388 63513 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'd be the biggest hypocrite if I really tarred on mlp stuff < 1362301483 36307 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362301555 755159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is the music in Famicompo with "smoke weed every day", I don't really like that one much. < 1362301662 80734 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one I made? :D < 1362301680 346630 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362301793 309146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. I do like your other musics though. < 1362301823 278182 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :made a really nice song recentily -> http://madbrain.devzero.co.uk/Discohouse_Amargeddon.mp3 < 1362301861 479271 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SMOKE WEED EVERYDAY < 1362301880 188547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It will never die in kmc's heart. < 1362301900 83434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't snoop dogg named snoop lion now < 1362301908 605454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My flight leaves SFO at ~06:00 on Wednesday. < 1362301909 950693 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1362301910 923729 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah and I think he's doing reggae < 1362301911 405771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why? < 1362301915 655621 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :His facebook page isn't < 1362301916 759361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just a true fact < 1362301924 568631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caltrain doesn't go there that early. < 1362301933 165719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps the best thing to do would be to go the evening before. < 1362301948 241551 :HackEgo!~HackEgo@codu.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362301952 715136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like < 1362301969 879379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to get to the airport at 04:30 or 05:00 < 1362301975 323014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you going from SFO? < 1362302013 786945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :LGA via MDW < 1362302030 91557 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, that's some pretty good music < 1362302037 475430 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks :3 < 1362302117 704332 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1362302145 150998 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb : do you compose too? :3 < 1362302152 273459 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah < 1362302155 962312 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know some people in here do < 1362302161 413869 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got no musical talent < 1362302164 932207 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that I don't try < 1362302202 728832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sometimes music. < 1362302212 294431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a lot. < 1362302244 995925 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did enter Famicompo Mini vol.9 < 1362302299 691275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one time i went to the bucharest airport in the middle of the night and then slept on top of my bags until i could check in < 1362302302 201204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do write computer programs for dealing with music, such as VGMCK which is what I am working on now. < 1362302311 914998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is it permitted? < 1362302317 73429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure < 1362302327 818389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Evidently the universe permitted it to happen. < 1362302331 805232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, s/kmc/zzo38/ < 1362302339 637613 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : right... I think... gregg does music too right? < 1362302340 772992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, the laws of physics permit. < 1362302356 56359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not quite how I meant < 1362302359 895423 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: gregg? < 1362302364 878748 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor < 1362302372 618103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor? Yes, I think so. < 1362302400 998861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if he has done it in Lilypond or whatever, I am not sure < 1362302419 70577 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does vgmck let you use samples for instruments < 1362302423 524465 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just synthesis? < 1362302461 557920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: VGMCK lets you use the chips in the VGM format, so some chips let you use samples for instruments. Currently the only chip that does that that I have implemented in VGMCK is QSound, although there are others which I have just not implemented yet. < 1362302477 699158 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many channels does qsound have again < 1362302481 912929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sixteen < 1362302503 853326 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could probably do something close to the mp3 I linked to then < 1362302525 220170 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it has a bit of reverb added on and it has more like 32 channels < 1362302614 196504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OPL4 has both FM and samples, and it has more channels, so that can be used too. In addition, any chips can be combined other than SN76489 with T6W28. < 1362302617 664163 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goes up to 40 at times (counting "virtual channels") < 1362302645 430511 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah opl4 is cheating too :D < 1362302660 536982 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :C# 4.0 has named parameters :) < 1362302665 264684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, most (but not all) chips can be doubled. < 1362302667 885216 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it still has ref arguments :/ < 1362302675 777098 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the 4op mode supported on opl4? < 1362302683 660561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What has it named them? < 1362302749 816118 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGMCK does not currently support OPL4 at all, but I intend to support all the VGM chips, so when it does support OPL4, it will support 4-op mode too. < 1362302761 880184 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know any good tutorials for the so called lisp syntax assembly used in PARRY? < 1362302808 691704 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know someone called Parry < 1362302831 16187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Do you know the .VGM format? VGMCK compiles into VGM, so you will need a VGM player to play or convert it. < 1362302857 71085 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only ever used it for... genesis playback I think < 1362302875 425099 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's the platform that has games with interesting soundtracks anyways < 1362302884 561526 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and snes but snes has spc < 1362302888 922246 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nes has nsf < 1362302933 167873 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, VGM has a lot of chips (although it does omit some of the NSF chips, but they may be included in later versions): http://www.smspower.org/Music/VGMFileFormat < 1362302968 197349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGMCK currently supports the following chips: SN76489, T6W28, YM2413, YM2612, YM3812, NES APU, GameBoy, HuC6280, Pokey, QSound. < 1362302983 863069 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am currently working on adding AY8910. < 1362303053 220271 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here is a list of programs which can be used to create VGM: http://vgm.mdscene.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107 < 1362303110 905338 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it lets you write for strange mixes of weird chips < 1362303131 277484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(As far as I can tell, DefleMask allows to use only one chip at a time (from the documentation on their webpage), and I don't think XPMCK allows using more than one chip at a time either but I am not sure.) < 1362303157 517842 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww, now I'm writing music < 1362303180 723231 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Yes; VGMCK is meant to eventually implement all the VGM and VGM does allow using various mixes of chips. < 1362303206 848777 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it let you do stuff like vibratos or do you have to do those with macros like other mck things < 1362303237 936174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: You have to do those with macros, unless the chip supports hardware vibrato in which case you can use that. < 1362303284 65905 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1362303373 724431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want a tracker format for VGM, DefleMask is probably best (not open source, but available for Windows/Mac OS X/Linux), although it is not as powerful as VGMCK, but depending on what you are doing it might work. If you prefer MIDI editors, you can use that too and convert, but those do even less. < 1362303461 531610 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up deflemask < 1362303467 659423 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks strange < 1362303537 155041 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully it's less broken than TFM music maker/tracker :D < 1362303566 210624 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362303732 582281 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TFM music maker is broken? < 1362303736 420530 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362303783 252286 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does everything wrong < 1362303819 411956 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now I know, so if anyone asks, I can tell them. < 1362304300 38535 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one'd extend a PDA with registers < 1362304326 953198 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an amount of registers < Infinity to make it tc < 1362305928 497853 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362305983 849470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: you need an infinite amount of storage in the registers < 1362305993 174268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you can do that with a finite number of registers, if they're infinitely large registers < 1362306052 355639 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1362306083 205594 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362306120 54467 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362306700 178791 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, Condorcet was a marquis < 1362306889 516702 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362307195 862977 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1362307724 999595 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362308024 739744 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362308024 889380 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362308024 889539 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362308180 178021 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362308750 4950 :banana_pee!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz NICK :nick_exile < 1362308813 838724 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362309247 237016 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362309411 645872 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does lambdabot do rewrite rules? < 1362309611 15246 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362309669 995717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362309890 275214 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362310036 778915 :impomatic!~digital_w@146.90.165.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362310846 490756 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362311895 102912 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362311951 874441 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362312005 427575 :nick_exile!~cantcode@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Quit: ragequit < 1362312039 509985 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362312155 430623 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362312193 75991 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362312309 281839 :sirdancealo3!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362312324 782975 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362312324 932302 :sirdancealo3!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362312344 817156 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362312633 237875 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362312998 181536 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362313352 502263 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362313369 928854 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does C even support const structs? < 1362313391 679944 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C89 that is. < 1362313491 611258 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :const Foo bar = mkFoo(); is obviously not allowed. < 1362313555 626043 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is {.x < 1362313562 219291 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C89? < 1362313673 713669 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :.x ? as in, struct foo f = { .x = .., .y = .., }; ? < 1362313682 103260 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :then no, that is C99 < 1362313700 647655 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :designated initializers < 1362313792 94035 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: Yeah. < 1362313837 970688 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = {1,2}; should be legale C89 though. < 1362313842 327653 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*legal < 1362313872 233807 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362313994 471046 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362314156 652593 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362315958 23570 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362315965 495679 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362316044 866772 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362316045 210535 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362316045 360039 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362316076 517230 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362316079 111613 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362316130 620508 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362316137 819553 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362316144 371263 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362316146 537203 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, you can't declare the value of y in C89 for union { int x; float y; } though in that manner, due to the lack of the dot-syntax < 1362316147 173480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1362316154 818945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1362316155 374116 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 14d 3h 46m 31s ago: also my PS3 controller on my desk random came to life and blinked the 4 LEDS a couple of times <-- probably just the google cloud trying to print < 1362316160 212448 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1362316164 98808 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that days ago already < 1362316169 818502 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you reminding me of this lambdabot? < 1362316174 62939 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: My internet research tells me that I can use {foo,bar}; if used in the right order. < 1362316194 915341 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, for a struct, yes obviously < 1362316199 370283 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for an union though < 1362316215 651036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, C89 is obsolete, C99 and C11 are the currently used ones pretty much < 1362316231 394305 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from MSVC there isn't much of importance that doesn't do C99 at least < 1362316300 577723 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C89 doesn't have function prototypes < 1362316301 879809 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the < 1362316307 162152 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh it does < 1362316311 480413 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :K&R C does < 1362316325 442148 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, I suggest using a more reliable source than what you are currently using < 1362316334 70651 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1362316343 984225 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first time wikipedia is completely wrong. < 1362316366 24767 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is your problem, using wikipedia as a source < 1362316404 457261 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh. It's gve or take. < 1362316409 881830 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :*give < 1362316649 395730 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, are you trying to learn C? < 1362316726 704724 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1362316729 215618 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know C. < 1362316738 31580 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know which versions of C I know :) < 1362316740 764918 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362316781 552259 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which means that I know the C gcc compiles without any specific version options < 1362316794 989413 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't know which features are available in what versions. < 1362316833 205860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use -std=c99 -D_POSIX_C_SOURCE=200112L < 1362316848 213802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :should probably move to the next version of POSIX soon < 1362316854 633320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all it was released in 2008 < 1362316963 443673 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for my compiler I decided to target C89 < 1362316992 905201 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are writing a C compiler? < 1362316993 961572 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1362317028 63856 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :C89 is great, it has no features and everything is broken < 1362317061 917982 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No < 1362317069 884820 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1362317077 56130 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant I compile my language to C89. < 1362317080 153086 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that is like all versions of C, more or less < 1362317120 892995 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :C99 is pretty sane, I think < 1362317127 791998 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C11 support is not far I assumed. < 1362317143 821512 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and some microsoft products apparentely don't even support C99 fully compliant. < 1362317174 542781 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc, microsoft explicitly unsupports all of c99 < 1362317180 344020 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I figured C89'd be best so people can use any c89 compliant compiler for the backend < 1362317208 369396 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except if c99 accidentally standardized some microsoft extensions, I guess) < 1362317210 488967 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : C99 is pretty sane, I think <-- really? Files but no directories? No threads? gets still around? < 1362317222 407097 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really looked at C11 though < 1362317304 624375 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I count threading and i/o as mostly outside the language (but threading less so, since the behavior of variables with threads is sort of important) < 1362318056 708289 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362318236 819139 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, hm < 1362318260 666583 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anything support C11 yet? < 1362318319 474672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wtf < 1362318329 974492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when was tom hanks directing an american gods tv series < 1362318346 457688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never, apparently, since he's producing it < 1362318511 675071 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_, C11 is at least partially supported (according to wikipedia.....): GCC starting with version 4.6,[5] Clang starting with version 3.1,[6] and IBM XL C starting with version 12.1[7] support some features from C11. < 1362318735 359935 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362318885 393129 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362319024 689386 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362319160 205438 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362319165 55144 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362319165 204963 :dessos_!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362319287 27396 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362319287 220580 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362319287 384944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362319287 686352 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362319897 78289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362319928 610784 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The vocab list that OCR publishes for A-level latin is inconsistent < 1362319952 14725 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless there's a big difference between "verb semi-dep" and "verb semi-dep." < 1362319970 305228 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "verb 2 semi-dep" and "verb 2 semidep" < 1362320008 222719 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure there is. < 1362320019 869009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :semi-dep means it's half dep, semi-dep. means it's half deponent. < 1362320160 280843 :mekeor!~user@dslb-094-216-096-030.pools.arcor-ip.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362320251 755272 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1362320592 856279 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The function `") {"' is applied to three arguments, < 1362320594 144945 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1362320908 347730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Demonstrating music tech is difficult, because it seems to be impossible to listen to demos without making aesthetic judgements. The below is not meant to be good music, but if you find yourself enjoying any of it, please think sad thoughts. If you find yourself reacting badly to the broken rhythms, try humming a favourite tune over the top." < 1362321531 911141 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362321927 574018 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362321981 502803 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1362322050 264325 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1362322230 813857 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :can ghci tell me which pattern does not exist? < 1362322510 322727 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm. found the bug. < 1362322523 307266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-Wall < 1362322568 215102 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362323114 776427 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362323343 30945 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362323376 777913 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362323524 77691 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/Gy729Qol < 1362323527 385749 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- well.. < 1362323539 401813 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "bootstrap" compiler works :) < 1362325636 966256 :quintopi1!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 NICK :quintopia < 1362325641 608161 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1362325641 757637 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1362325711 747326 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1362326024 231564 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow github only show the first 54 lines o_O < 1362326088 149030 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362326293 843539 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362326977 357579 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1362326996 877781 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :> lines "foo\r\n" < 1362326998 561596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["foo\r"] < 1362327004 616951 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sucks. < 1362327011 781847 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362327402 408999 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because most people who use Haskell do so on Linux < 1362327409 825094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... < 1362327421 87536 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a start spj uses windows < 1362327433 1021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a second i'm pretty sure haskell does the C normalisation thing whereby you get "\n" on any platform, though don't quote me on that < 1362327439 102860 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is spj most people? < 1362327444 371721 :impomatic!~digital_w@22.120.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362327445 505002 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1362327901 227672 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362328119 61868 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362328136 180514 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362328136 330080 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362328234 846482 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362328458 721361 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use windows. < 1362328551 771585 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get Linux < 1362328561 275049 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I'm sorry to hear that < 1362328579 105686 :epicmonkey_!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362328598 85184 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362328627 135151 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1362328627 462589 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :os/2 is the future < 1362328627 888908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1362328631 658347 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1362328668 827493 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1362328684 841409 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362330404 352832 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1362330420 583991 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can compile a hello world program. Not much. It's something :) < 1362330651 580197 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What language what system? < 1362330706 93217 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/tmyU8LMO < 1362330766 51340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recognize that language < 1362330776 313622 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't. < 1362330785 555521 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't exist two months ago :) < 1362330853 176760 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm creating a non-esoteric programming language for a change. < 1362330880 809670 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I compile to C) < 1362331004 166665 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://raw.github.com/FMNSSun/mopl/master/mopl/hw.c <- that's the output file < 1362331093 140899 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :({{ ... }} is inline C) < 1362331221 99567 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very simple actually. < 1362331232 346465 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just some hacked together ~200 lines of Haskellcode < 1362331249 629686 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok.maybe 400 lines. < 1362331455 951983 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1362331464 201441 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ultimate goal is to write a mopl compiler in mopl < 1362332228 774791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1362332237 715159 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362332645 787679 :daniela!~yetzabeth@190.121.238.241 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362333365 848088 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362333799 861584 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-41.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362333800 13945 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-41.elisa.ee QUIT :Client Quit < 1362333820 103410 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-41.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362337068 420350 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1362337068 570001 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1362337679 540212 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Haskell should have a library like Python's ctypes < 1362337739 930027 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dynamically loaded, dynamically typed FFI bindings < 1362337996 811065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? Loading a .so or .dll file? < 1362338034 530386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362338061 961090 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362338106 322379 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would dynamically typed FFI bindings work though? < 1362338176 785273 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ctypes.CDLL('libc.so.6').printf("Hello, world!\n") < 1362338183 661656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's how it works in Python < 1362338218 582065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well with the standard Haskell FFI, there's no check that the type you declared for a C function matches the type it was compiled with < 1362338225 653449 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we just move the not checking to runtime instead of compile time :) < 1362338227 357532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, I suppose in a programming language such as Python (or other dynamically typed programming languages, such as JavaScript) would make sense like that. < 1362338262 238109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :loadLibrary :: String -> IO Lib; invoke :: Lib -> String -> [CArgument] -> CResult < 1362338267 690307 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I would like to have is dynamically loaded Haskell programs using a type such as: Typeable x => FilePath -> IO x < 1362338284 646921 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'plugins' is supposed to do that < 1362338287 125840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes I suppose that could be the way. < 1362338299 802788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hint or mueval or all these others that i can't keep track fo < 1362338321 371336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you could do an awful pritnf-style hack for nice syntax < 1362338324 643784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think CArgument and CResult are sort of dual there < 1362338334 78710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however I don't see how this is really better than the existing FFI < 1362338339 457210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :after all you can already import dlopen/dlsym and it works fine afaik < 1362338348 742078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think something like that is done for objective-c bidnings < 1362338361 852412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :CArgument is just a sum of all the C types, but CResult is a thing which, you tell it what type the result should be and it converts < 1362338373 286916 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With my idea basically the .so or .dll contains a Haskell value of type x, so it could be a record type, or it could be a IO action in which case you will want to join the result if you want to execute it right away. < 1362338384 325584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find ctypes to be slightly more convenient than Haskell's FFI and i'm trying to figure out why < 1362338417 855640 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not a big difference though < 1362338449 740792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I think it is convenient in Python because C APIs are close to what you'd actually use day-to-day in Python :p < 1362338459 742889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is basically a complaint about python) < 1362338463 952197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1362338471 509146 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: While the loadLibrary and invoke could possibly do it, it seems like example you gave is things that would work better in other programming languages such as Python, Perl, JavaScript, and so on. < 1362338493 416702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my mersenne twister in Python is only 4 times slower than the reference implementation < 1362338556 772341 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think it's just that you're probably doing some type-munging around the C call anyway, so doing that *and* declaring the type in a 'foreign import' declaration seems like boilerplate < 1362338573 253757 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1362338584 671820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could do some typeclass hackery like I said. it'd be slow runtime though :( < 1362338585 51680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I think in JavaScript you could have it work with the same code as the example with Python, even. < 1362338589 508132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362338590 556826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you used hsc2hs/c2hs < 1362338593 592617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might find those more convenient < 1362338597 34846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i used hsc2hs < 1362338598 934228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all right < 1362338605 824801 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hdis86 uses it < 1362338608 171011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :c2hs is more elaborate fwiw < 1362338612 140175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362338616 967775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read ezyang's blog posts about it < 1362338635 555194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote that library on fung wah bus < 1362338694 592013 :daniela!~yetzabeth@190.121.238.241 PART :#esoteric < 1362338727 713569 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Now write it in befunge < 1362339078 58426 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mersenne twister? < 1362339195 554788 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mersenne twister shaped like a twister < 1362339240 510545 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhymes that blister like mersenne twister < 1362339581 402977 :mekeor!~user@dslb-094-216-096-030.pools.arcor-ip.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362339724 179670 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preach it, sister < 1362340141 580932 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362341565 988696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362341643 317453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : theory: it is substantially easier for something to be awesome if it has no purpose other than awesomeness < 1362341649 357621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ais523: I would imagine the opposite. < 1362341663 649713 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i submit this is one of those Great Truths < 1362341686 781387 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former or the latter? < 1362341697 939984 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two lines as a whole, of course < 1362341700 950768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i see you don't know what a Great Truth is. < 1362341710 510730 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clearly do not! < 1362341715 395108 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please explain < 1362341725 433116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a truth such that its opposite is also a Great Truth < 1362341761 629559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see oerjan is a dialetheist < 1362341786 877043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah Niels Bohr was the origin of that < 1362341795 917190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tried Piet Hein first < 1362341808 443950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also a dane with a penchant for great truths) < 1362341895 209852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i don't trust that quote site to have the correct wording... < 1362341910 560501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries wikiquote instead < 1362341915 16746 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Your definition of "Great Truth" sounds like a recursive definition without an edge condition < 1362341944 249898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Two sorts of truth: profound truths 
recognized by the fact that the opposite is also a profound truth,
 in contrast to trivialities where opposites are obviously absurd." < 1362341949 286873 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an old quote < 1362341970 620885 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :a nice one < 1362341982 974274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the wikiquote version which actually is cited) < 1362342053 239412 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I have seen that before < 1362342060 607206 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do we also have an actual list of Great Truth? < 1362342065 659228 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Truths < 1362342076 881579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure you're quite on the wavelength of the idea here < 1362342123 354810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: i guess you need to take the corecursive interpretation (i.e. maximal possible set) in that case. < 1362342135 444466 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the minimal one, by what you say, would be empty. < 1362342216 121101 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, like, the universal set? < 1362342218 64234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If any Great Truth are logical then you need to use different kinds of logic. < 1362342226 694512 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :youo're not supposed to have a list, it's just supposed to be an insult, what the hell < 1362342235 135539 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.34.166 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362342271 159410 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: p <=> not p is definitely not true indeed < 1362342274 921289 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362342317 740261 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :can unknown be equivalent to not unknown even? < 1362342328 139869 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ternary logic then) < 1362342356 263357 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought ¬u = u was a given of that logic < 1362342395 787261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: no, not the universal set, it doesn't not include falsities or their opposite < 1362342400 719796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362342402 280520 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-not < 1362342423 645838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(maybe that was still correct on account on being a great truth) < 1362342552 954134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think to understand great truths, you first have to understand that logic has its limitations. < 1362342577 559300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not just to understand that they exist, but to understand a particular one. < 1362342599 195150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how can i say that when i still haven't thought of an example. < 1362342600 785591 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I know that logic has limitations. < 1362342616 758784 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it like a great truth that great truths are /really/ great truths? < 1362342630 127626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is different kind of logic, in order to make some things that works in some cases. < 1362342642 404136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe zen koans < 1362342645 867597 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :hande hoch! < 1362342667 606631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since niels bohr was involved, probably also something quantum < 1362342668 787911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a kind of logic can be mathematically logical even if it doesn't apply to actual situations normally. < 1362342675 261799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooga: wie so? < 1362342694 749506 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, perhaps Zen koans would be called great truth by such definition, possibly. < 1362342703 704127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you just need to use a paraconsistent logic < 1362342727 489931 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the truth value of cutting off your disciple's arm < 1362342756 676410 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Quantun? I guess so, although it still isn't applicable to measured (collapsed) states, I suppose, even though it is in general, possibly? < 1362342759 355356 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :das ist ein internationale skandal! < 1362342766 377321 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Forty-two! < 1362342773 62727 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :humorous < 1362342774 799641 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But only if you don't do it. < 1362342799 210868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Mu. see: [Parachattavadhari 451, page 701] < 1362342832 433725 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that gobbledygook that's supposed to look like Sanskrit? < 1362342865 73790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf i keep being logged out of wikipedia < 1362342866 113129 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do know one word in Sanskrit, at least. < 1362342877 695322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is related to that oots issue < 1362342895 248923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the cookie expire? < 1362342932 999490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have ticked the usual "remember for 180 days" mark < 1362342964 319394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you try editing the cookie? I have found that for some webpages it won't work properly unless the cookie is edited. < 1362342965 205801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: MAYBE < 1362342977 935945 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you even know how to write Sanskrit? < 1362342984 632557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no. < 1362343035 960239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just have some vague idea about the phonology and maybe a handful of words. < 1362343047 369050 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't Zen be in Japanese or Chinese anyway < 1362343052 31094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe not _that_ vague < 1362343073 509448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ayanamsha" is Sanskrit words for amount of precession of equinoxes. < 1362343074 542121 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: japanese, i think the chinese is slightly different < 1362343101 92448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: didn't you mention that before, or was that another astronomy word < 1362343106 751271 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, gateless gate is in chinese isn't it < 1362343120 395512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know. Probably I did. < 1362343126 874149 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's one of them in Hexham < 1362343134 63939 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A gateless gate < 1362343138 633579 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-41.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362343143 895239 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't know if any astronomers use such words unless they are Sanskrit or astrologers. < 1362343157 509413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or both) < 1362343179 76498 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would an astronomer be Sanskrit? < 1362343229 369357 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know; I am not Sanskrit. < 1362343235 665044 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362343237 162434 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subjects weren't different back then < 1362343242 956389 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's not an ethnicity < 1362343271 932107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O, OK, then. < 1362343286 33923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, if they speak/write Sanskrit then they might use such words. < 1362343312 741393 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would be like doing astronomy in latin. (Which sounds amusing) < 1362343315 509205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok at least closing and reopening the browser didn't lose the login. maybe it was connected to how my hibernation image was broken... < 1362343341 380326 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that it's somehow kept different for http and https < 1362343368 998187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Latin is the language of Vatican. < 1362343378 513177 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE IS NO POPE OMG < 1362343382 109093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTFBBQ < 1362343392 196243 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is still Vatican, even if there is currently no pope. < 1362343400 73023 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362343404 560680 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362343577 340307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why did vatican delete all benedict's tweets < 1362343596 894085 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :papal fallibility < 1362343624 308389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're archived!! < 1362343673 938028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :archivandi in gloria aeternis < 1362343683 784512 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is because it was the Vatican's account and not the pope's own account? < 1362343691 296971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that why? < 1362343713 302679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagining the pope having a personal twitter account now < 1362343722 723939 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for all his non-catholic church related doings(???) < 1362343745 343528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :read 'church related dongs' < 1362343770 325782 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ratzinger's zingers, an account devoted entirely to cheesy insults < 1362343789 163909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if he has a Twitter account which does have stuff about the Catholic Church, then, if it is his own account then they should not delete it. If it is belonging to the Vatican, then they have the right to delete it. Isn't it? < 1362343795 481292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: insert predictable joke re: catholic church < 1362343867 806205 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :joke manipulator arm now online. please clear a 500m standard safety area around joke insertion slot. commencing insertion... < 1362343914 343654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is probably farther away than that from my computer. < 1362343929 578248 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're probably going to get a concussion then < 1362344071 122922 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I don't know where it even is (or even whether or not you made such a thing), so it won't help anyways. < 1362344121 884031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell that to your concussion < 1362344232 90757 :Zerker!~zerker@cpe-24-24-168-181.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362344253 947443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does any Famicom emulator be able to read the host system's battery function to set the FDS battery low bits? < 1362344433 954318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should have followed up with "i guess that's more a tumblr thing" < 1362344444 285376 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i was already in the shower by the time I thought of this witty remark :/ < 1362344570 784967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote kmc: ok i gotta admit i fully support the use of ultrafilters in social sciences < 1362344580 698459 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :978) kmc: ok i gotta admit i fully support the use of ultrafilters in social sciences < 1362344595 402651 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362344702 783861 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait where does the remark go in context < 1362344767 910185 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :evolveing a program to to give me the nth digit of the thule-morse sequence when given the binary representation of n is very hard if I only allow it to use nand gates < 1362344769 884685 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : for all his non-catholic church related doings(???) <-- uh, what does that consist of? < 1362344774 849794 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (???) < 1362344782 217150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, ah, of course < 1362344837 960242 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but more seriously is he known for having some side interests at all? < 1362344849 887956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe, uh, catching butterflies or something+ < 1362344853 110608 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/+/?/ < 1362344859 355728 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362344871 535313 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely he must, as a person, have some hobbies < 1362344967 447181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you quite understand how churches work < 1362345010 734227 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that is probably true < 1362345188 872796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Taneb for converting `? ais523 from utf-8 to latin-1 < 1362345205 29847 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1362345206 869775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent "I" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1362345213 720763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* + -----### < 1362345240 636281 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would Chaotic Evil ais523 look like? < 1362345259 49785 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of person who knocks over unattended cups i'd wager < 1362345318 812327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm my browser's autocomplete database has reset too < 1362345349 38401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url < 1362345351 887900 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1362345410 13584 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Agent \"Iä\" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good." > wisdom/ais523 < 1362345420 72003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362345481 245954 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :* oerjan swats Taneb for converting `? ais523 from utf-8 to latin-1 <-- why would he do such a crime < 1362345510 539267 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: presumably by cutting and pasting in his irc client with a bad charset setting < 1362345516 892834 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362345528 486810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a heinous crime indeed < 1362345540 623444 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1362345542 462666 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent "Iä" Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1362345584 925558 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : surely he must, as a person, have some hobbies <-- istr he plays the piano? < 1362345632 252983 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Ah < 1362345642 390401 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :could microblog on twitter about the piano < 1362345659 854496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What would Chaotic Evil ais523 look like? <-- he would actually _succeed_ in retroactively unevolving avian body covering, although at terrible cost. < 1362345699 472247 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why specifically on the 3rd of March? < 1362345709 493167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hasn't ais been basically lawful good forever < 1362345725 893278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:29:10 hmm… today seems to be the ais523 "have I mentioned I'm lawful good yet" day < 1362345728 944612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:29:17 3 march, I must remember that < 1362345746 901679 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb _may_ have slightly misinterpreted. < 1362345773 171938 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362345783 255497 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would ais523 react if stuck in a Lawful Evil area? < 1362345789 895906 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, yeah I remember we established his alignment long ago < 1362345791 749524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where Lawful contradicts Good < 1362345817 296357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, he would obviously not be ais any longer < 1362345821 633195 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he sputters out and then starts shouting about diathelism < 1362345950 165971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chaospet.com/2007/11/29/62-dialetheism/ < 1362345965 666397 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i can't spell WHAT OF IT < 1362345980 603114 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo i'm a dialatheist < 1362345986 510625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe god exists AND doesn't exist < 1362345990 311080 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, didn't even notice < 1362346011 292261 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that comic is pretty sophistic but what else is new < 1362346023 884857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although.... I guess that's why Google only turned up the comic < 1362346032 283306 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird though, since the comic spelled it correctly < 1362346037 132380 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think graham priest is the usual go-to guy < 1362346047 638896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the high priest of dialatheism < 1362346048 932634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No it didn't < 1362346069 3005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://chaospet.com/2009/06/15/128-more-dialetheism/ (the link I originally saw) contains BIke's misspelling < 1362346070 45785 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In addition to his work in philosophy and logic, Priest practices Karate-do. He is 3rd Dan, International Karate-do Shobukai; 4th Dan, Shi’to Ryu, and an Australian National Kumite Referee and Kata Judge." < 1362346105 195992 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seriously thought that the whole diathelism thing was a reference to that comic. < 1362346117 138803 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen that comic before and it looks bad < 1362346136 268806 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Blame Google. < 1362346142 788915 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f u google < 1362346142 986456 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yourself for misspelling. < 1362346147 942966 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f u bike < 1362346152 222305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fugle < 1362346335 581322 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bluh. What's that really famous song, I think it's a Kraftwerk song, that's ohwoahohwoahoh < 1362346348 386563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1362346360 538989 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, and it goes like, doooOOOooooOOOOOoo? < 1362346377 70309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080101093149AAhTBGF < 1362346379 988897 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh, duh duh duh duh, duh duh, duh duh duh duh duh duh DUH, duh DUH < 1362346385 573593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i googled: oh woah kraftwerk < 1362346407 101499 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i refuse to believe that works < 1362346413 250746 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo listen to that song so you can say it's not it < 1362346420 687052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it links to several tracks in fact < 1362346423 524991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is even by kraftwerk < 1362346471 216089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The beginning is unfamiliar, but I think it's the song < 1362346478 272172 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where TF did I get "kraftwerk" from? < 1362346478 554904 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. < 1362346481 241910 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run (echo '#!/bin/sh'; echo 'tr A-Z U | tr a-z u') > bin/uuu; chmod a+x bin/uuu < 1362346486 592058 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362346491 295566 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | uuu < 1362346493 753721 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuuuuuu uu uuu uuuuuuuuuuuuu uuu uuu uuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuu uuuuuu uuu uuuuuuuuuu! Uuu uuuu uuuuuuuuuuu, uuuuu uuu uuu uuuu: uuuu://uuuuuuuu.uuu/uuuu/Uuuu_Uuuu. (Uuu uuu uuuuu uuuu uu uuuuuuuuu, uuu #uuuuuuuu uu uuu.uuu.uuu.) < 1362346498 673086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt you know every piece of electronic music is by kraftwerk < 1362346503 64359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a science fact™ < 1362346510 15434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they invented robots < 1362346530 769597 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362346537 194973 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: there are actually robots in the Illiad < 1362346545 111684 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I only thought I knew Kraftwerk in relation to that song, which isn't actually a Kraftwerk song < 1362346551 560749 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ones on the island with the labyrinth? < 1362346555 840617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except, hmm < 1362346565 787079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually hear the vocals in this version < 1362346568 756441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wir fahren fahren fahren auf der autobahn < 1362346572 482621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i spell that right < 1362346581 732139 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :faßren < 1362346584 751329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1362346585 34212 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1362346591 615944 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362346608 481773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, if it helps, this might be the wrong version of the basic concept of the song < 1362346617 81065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wrong version of the basic concept of the song... < 1362346619 606555 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's too late < 1362346637 3604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway if it is "Kernkraft 400" i have a guess why you related it to kraftwerk < 1362346638 766389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guess is "kraft" < 1362346649 743762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ohohohoh ohoh.song < 1362346649 899924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is what is is called on limewire < 1362346649 899997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source(s): < 1362346649 900043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hockey songs --- limewire < 1362346670 747295 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why don't you listen to some REAL german electronica http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6zb8YpL5-w < 1362346697 988201 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsorGbKwNlA#t=22s < 1362346714 507934 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't hear any actual oh woah ing in here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSJQLCImV18 < 1362346734 142923 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Electronic sounds are doing the same melody that oh'ing should be < 1362346744 446332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you listened to a choir singing it < 1362346761 238931 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=?v=XPoiPZYbtnA#t=75s Sgeo < 1362346788 573101 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9fwjZFLmrpE i have no idea why it's real but it is < 1362346793 520389 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bjornsuper 6 dagen geleden < 1362346793 670890 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 to 1.15 complet shit rest of the song annihilates < 1362346801 58513 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the review, bjornsuper < 1362346822 413611 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362346828 506837 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, yes < 1362346853 789260 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i messed up that link < 1362346856 492037 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you find it anyway < 1362346858 179324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is this from that album < 1362346861 311834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh < 1362346862 745060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's that thing < 1362346865 135693 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I deleted feature=? < 1362346866 229282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heheh < 1362346871 588856 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's from that one album of that one thing you got it < 1362346879 682446 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that is actually from an ep actually < 1362346889 817651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what i meant was uh < 1362346902 771852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit go faster browser < 1362346908 964590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to die < 1362346965 906813 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also good: vocal guitar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7Asi870JpI < 1362346974 236637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustica:_Alarm_Will_Sound_Performs_Aphex_Twin < 1362346993 817698 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always laughing and laughing loud < 1362346998 816306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except i think i also meant something else < 1362347015 354746 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever fuck this i'm going away for quarter of an hour, back when i don't hate everybody < 1362347018 300396 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds complicated elliott < 1362347037 839708 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://miburl.com/3tYFIf darn.. i need a premium account at all costs < 1362347050 388535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : fuck you <-- Bike was lying hth < 1362347145 176002 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362347198 908462 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so h < 1362347567 260962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I thought it needed more emphasis.) <-- O KAY < 1362347712 994884 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362347851 760341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let stupid = 3 {-# RULES "stupid" stupid = 2 #-} in stupid < 1362347852 906128 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1362347855 565173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let stupid = 3 {-# RULES "stupid" stupid = 2 #-} in stupid < 1362347857 492799 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:16: parse error on input `{-# RULES' < 1362347875 40484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: NOPE < 1362347946 214894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what sounds complicated. < 1362347966 950908 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one album of that one thing < 1362348000 151258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362348005 738358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let stupid = 3; {-# RULES "stupid" stupid = 2 #-} in stupid < 1362348007 985228 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:17: parse error on input `{-# RULES' < 1362348021 169217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let stupid = 3 in {-# RULES "stupid" stupid = 2 #-} stupid < 1362348022 935432 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:19: parse error on input `{-# RULES' < 1362348037 85441 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid < 1362348082 359853 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 251 seconds < 1362348090 957269 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh well < 1362348152 118089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: although i don't know if RULES work outside top level anywhere < 1362348173 403927 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362348173 822418 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362348173 972481 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362348178 798573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: some of their stuff is pretty impressive < 1362348196 569255 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whose stuff < 1362348204 336353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let stupid = 3; {-# RULES "stupid" stupid = 2 #-} < 1362348204 516139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Invalid declaration < 1362348212 798600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :STUPID < 1362348233 800701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of a song called "Guile's theme", but why does a dialect of Scheme have a theme? < 1362348247 777907 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad joke, retire it < 1362348252 354792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that meant to be a joke.. < 1362348276 100145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did gather that there's a game or something called Guile, but I can't help but think of the Scheme dialect < 1362348288 682093 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a character in a video game < 1362348302 187515 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's a word? you know, "guile", like ability to trick people < 1362348330 89379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : why are you reminding me of this lambdabot? <-- i think this may be "things reset for no sensible reason day". as well as ais523 lawful good day, of course. < 1362348334 579773 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but words don't typically get theme songs either < 1362348362 882003 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sometimes... sometimes, more than one thing may be named after... /the same word/ < 1362348379 113683 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362348436 463220 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I say anything along the lines of "The character must be named after the Scheme dialect!" or "The Scheme dialect must be named after the character!"/ < 1362348447 853877 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362348457 201628 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely < 1362348463 583436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know generally you don't have to have an argument for your joke to work :P < 1362348489 324488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact it doesn't help. < 1362348497 400034 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all. < 1362348501 120117 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth. < 1362348530 916675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: in fact it didn't help. < 1362348532 205629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all. < 1362348534 559685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth. < 1362348541 421645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx. < 1362348541 571218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursion < 1362348574 341275 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've obtained rapid fire device < 1362348582 462002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth, thx, hth. < 1362348606 118975 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362348640 9057 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How efficient would be a Verilog implementation of the INTERCAL select ~ operator and its (almost) inverse (setting the unused bits to zero)? < 1362348671 715985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could do it in one cycle, I don't know what the maximum clock speed would be < 1362348690 913820 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably you could get a very high clock speed if it was completely forwarded, but that might use a prohibitive amount of silicon < 1362348708 764023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(forwarding is sort-of the hardware equivalent of unrolling) < 1362348716 867371 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1362348731 494763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you could probably do it in four to six stages and still fit into one clock cycle < 1362348897 698193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you use both operations together, it acts like a bitwise AND; you can also do various other things with these operations together in different ways.) < 1362349011 827112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could also use them to encode and decode Morton numbers if you put -2/3 and -1/3 on the right operand. < 1362349255 192037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think they would be useful for various things. How would it affect existing processor cores if such an instruction was added in the Verilog code? < 1362349295 275702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the major change would be in the decoding logic, I think < 1362349306 577593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not significantly slower, or different, to an addition, from the point of view of implementation < 1362349349 637391 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmm < 1362349359 698681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if modern processors use single-cycle multipliers < 1362349377 127534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they exist but are really expensive in silicon < 1362349396 325468 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, I don't think the silicon use would be significant compared to, say, the L1 cache < 1362349460 935157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to features like these, as well as other features such as BCD arithmetic, I would want a !asm metadata in LLVM which tells it that the result can be calculated using the specified assembly language instructions, even though there is a code or function or something calculating the same thing in the circumstances; this can be used for optimization. < 1362349664 786114 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I don't know if x86 does, but Amber uses Booth's multiplication and I don't know how many cycles it requires. < 1362349665 76148 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362349665 703689 :Zerker!~zerker@cpe-24-24-168-181.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1362349745 213173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I found it; it is 34 clock cycles to multiply. < 1362349746 516074 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the number of cycles for a multiplier dependent on the depth of the circuit (versus, like, the transistor depth for a cycle?) < 1362349751 874579 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :34? o_O < 1362349768 33133 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it depends on the number of registered stages in the circuit < 1362349768 314210 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :better recode that shit as shiftadds < 1362349788 421896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that has a pretty strong correlation to the depth, because if your depth is too large compared to the number of stages, you have to slow down your clock speed to compensate < 1362349790 879008 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1362349795 871816 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yeah, that's what I meant, sorry < 1362349800 81581 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's going to keep that for a while isn't he < 1362349800 231324 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and modern processors try to run at the highest clock speed they physically can < 1362349814 149950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362349815 734633 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like, I figure a 64x64->128 1-cycle multiplier is probably not possible with the cycle depth required by like, an ivy bridge? < 1362349870 432064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it is, there's a famous construction that shows that you can do any combinatorial circuit in one stage with just two levels of nand gates < 1362349899 893529 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get a combinatorial explosion so it's not a useful one in practice, unless you can really spare the silicon and really need speed < 1362349912 798000 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's done for additions sometimes < 1362349953 496701 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at which point does the size of the silicon start to limit what you can do? e.g. because of the speed of light being too low < 1362349969 208178 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems impossible...? like. two levels of nand gates means at most 4 bits of input < 1362349971 4019 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: we've hit that point already < 1362349980 495594 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can't figure out one bit of output in a 128-bit multiply from just 4 bits of input < 1362349984 682338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: very wide nand gates < 1362349987 169697 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1362349996 629303 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about actual 2-input gates <.< < 1362350005 984525 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362350008 861470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know offhand < 1362350009 79108 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362350009 479246 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362350009 629166 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362350029 658734 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but 3-input nand gates aren't particularly harder to build than 2-input nand gates, apart from having to try to connect three inputs to them < 1362350037 514591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :routing overhead is one of the major problems with modern hardware design < 1362350038 463340 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like the thing that actually matters? since like, more and more inputs means more delay doesn't it? < 1362350054 764696 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a 128-input nand gate seems pretty crazy XD < 1362350056 424353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not noticeably, apart from the routing problem < 1362350067 436275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, six inputs seems to be the current standard in FPGAs < 1362350080 523273 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be four at one point, and manufacturers are probably moving to higher numbers at the moment < 1362350151 582166 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fastest multiplier I know is I think the ivy bridge multiplier < 1362350161 636469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to save energy and to be compatible with programs requiring slower clock speeds, there could be I/O ports to adjust the clock speed to slow it down if it is wanted; does this work? < 1362350163 368554 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, like, in an actual hcip < 1362350166 358378 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chip < 1362350175 352214 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: what I know is that if I accidentally ask for a single-cycle 32-bit multiply when writing a Verilog or VHDL program, the synthesizer knows how to handle it < 1362350187 88914 :Zerker!~zerker@cpe-24-24-168-181.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362350191 44301 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I still kinda wonder why they chose to allocate their gates like that but others didn't < 1362350203 622165 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does the floating point coprocessors work in ARM? < 1362350273 486678 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: does the synthesizer have, like, options that let you pick the sort of multiplier you want? < 1362350280 934874 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in theory you could write your own... < 1362350287 999105 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the synthesizer implements what you write < 1362350295 281353 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant for like, how it implements a "*" < 1362350309 900245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, * is single cycle, it has to be because there's no delay around it or the like < 1362350319 584341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for longer multiplies, you instantiate modules from elsewhere < 1362350336 883695 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Verilog even allow * in compiled codes? < 1362350341 484773 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you get a 32-cycle multiply from your standard library < 1362350344 726644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, but it doesn't allow / < 1362350352 803286 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so... we used * and stuff in our MIPS chip in class... < 1362350369 203401 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want division, you need to get it from a library or implement it yourself < 1362350385 755011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : why are you reminding me of this lambdabot? <-- i think this may be "things reset for no sensible reason day". as well as ais523 lawful good day, of course. <-- it reset for no sensible reason? < 1362350389 654048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds buggy < 1362350390 44127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it allow / in stuff other than compiled codes though? (such as in macros and constant expressions) < 1362350412 905670 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know, I've never tried < 1362350419 767655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it allows exponentiation in macros and constant expressions < 1362350429 733323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and division is rather easier than exponentiation, so probably < 1362350491 381303 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1362350493 312302 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1362350496 493925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I like that one ^ < 1362350542 130994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it was up to me, no arithmetic operations would be allowed in compiled codes; they would be allowed only in constant expressions, macros, selectors, and ROM data; and otherwise you have to specify your own algorithms in terms of bitwise. < 1362350705 981369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also would think their ought to be commands which means, that it would optionally use precompiled block in place of the specified block, which can be automatically selected based on the optimization and conditional compiler options, to ensure vendor-independent codes and still allow vendor-specific optimizations. < 1362350761 847723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have that? < 1362350762 930433 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :night → < 1362350790 462531 :Zerker!~zerker@cpe-24-24-168-181.socal.res.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1362350920 413702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, where's your link about files? < 1362350930 517000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1362350931 353086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one < 1362350935 235144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which thing..... which link < 1362350944 121010 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which files < 1362350945 259179 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the one that's anti-file < 1362351034 415770 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the coprocessors are omitted from Amber core, instead making the cache and privilege areas to be hard-coded, will it make the clock speed faster? < 1362351045 991194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : [...] with just two levels of nand gates <-- that's just disjunctive normal form, i think. (unless i got confused and it's conjunctive instead.) < 1362351061 534472 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, pretty much that < 1362351072 916776 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right down to the not being able to remember which is which < 1362351326 394199 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : sounds buggy <-- it's happened before that lambdabot messages get reset like that. but even worse, i hear they recently got their entire quote database reset several years back. < 1362351337 955239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that wasn't today though.) < 1362351344 584224 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1362351346 603412 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :252) elliott: there go my minutes of research!! < 1362351351 584089 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait wrong one < 1362351352 597892 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote < 1362351353 61444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hgolden says: pioneers are the ones with arrows in their backs. at least ours will be categorical arrows. < 1362351354 642657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: perhaps http://catseye.tc/ehird/files-suck.html, which I should maybe get cpressey to edit with a note that I wrote it because I was annoyed at Unix and hence it's a lot more whiny than it needs to be, and doesn't fully reflect my current views < 1362351423 250170 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :files suck? lol < 1362351454 225675 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's pretty straight < 1362351457 322619 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tag systems fo lyfe < 1362351464 327571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also my historical account of them is a bit wrong -- e.g. I was unaware of how Multics did things at the time I wrote it < 1362351475 151039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I still dislike filesystems < 1362351503 84026 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :filesystems? more like thebestsystems < 1362351517 543139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow I was annoying in 2010 < 1362351527 585465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: more like vilesystems!!! < 1362351548 761299 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like badstupids < 1362351557 481720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im bested < 1362351593 243812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :θs? more like badstupids < 1362351612 812117 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(THE JOKE IS GHC CODE IS FULL OF bad_stupid_theta) < 1362351649 793674 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is theta < 1362351659 341106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :greek letter < 1362351670 205226 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1362351673 877548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: bad & stupid < 1362351725 287419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's a class context, I think. < 1362351731 228942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe just a context in general? < 1362351735 343658 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in the thing to the left of => < 1362351774 401245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I had a really good esolang idea last sleep period < 1362351779 968641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but haven't worked out the details < 1362351785 467691 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic idea is, the esolang is defined by an interpreter < 1362351794 951519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you run the interpreter, it mutates the language it interprets slightly < 1362351812 873711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and always in such a way that every program you had ever successfully run through it would fail < 1362351824 462512 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to try to infer what the current state of the language is from the error messages < 1362351912 365321 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :true masochists leave out the error messages < 1362352119 994972 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would be the mutation realized? kind of randomly? < 1362352134 737413 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+be < 1362352145 264594 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no there was a be < 1362352215 624243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: What do you get out of being in this channel? < 1362352304 628904 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes someone says something interesting. or funny. or inspiring. but yea good question < 1362352432 989553 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1362352605 866628 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's sad i can't remember how it's been since it was you who make me laugh < 1362352607 807777 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a pity < 1362352711 368861 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :again, i have to ask < 1362352723 100051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you actually think you're saying something clever here < 1362352771 248393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you radiate this kind of cargo cult profundity < 1362352813 23373 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand what you're saying < 1362352856 775352 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cargo cult profundity" probably is supposed to denote that you parrot profound things in a disjointed fashion divorced of their meaning < 1362352859 975540 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sort of know the words and general comportment of someone saying insightful things about the world around them < 1362352877 466250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't actually have any actual insightful things to say about the world around you < 1362352888 343798 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aber sich ständig profilieren zu wollen, auch wenn man über leichen geht wäre nicht mein ding < 1362352913 271953 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am here because I love fungot < 1362352913 742819 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: this rampart, shaped like a hen's egg, yet containing enough power to keep people away from those wild, haunted hills behind hoary and fnord arkham that all his forebears for forbidden cosmic secrets was a natural result of the action of water through more than seventeen years ago, when mans < 1362352916 830219 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :insofern ist es mir nicht so wichtig dass ich hier clever scheine < 1362352918 480872 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, do you love me ? < 1362352918 909916 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: this sound, as complex and unplaceable as any of the fnord poor harley warren once had. it came from india while carter and i were not connected, wherefore our first knowledge of extraordinary conditions came from others. the farther he went, and when he resumed his voice was fnord music of deep viols and of crystalline spheres. we talked often in the night as he stood on that high marble terrace with the curious < 1362352932 599504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seguing into german for no good reason is not really proving otherwise, hagb4rd < 1362352939 317485 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aber vielleicht kann ich auch etwas lernen < 1362352948 31725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*segueing, apparently < 1362352958 742434 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that word was much cooler back when i only vaguely knew about it < 1362353019 813733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are segways still cool though < 1362353031 536929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :inasmuch as they ever were < 1362353036 143499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i hear their coolness rolled off a cliff < 1362353052 336161 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello oerjan < 1362353056 9745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome oerjan < 1362353058 257194 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362353129 945255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: you certainly don't have to be profound to be here. but i think what they're complaining about is that you make a lot of barely-in-context sentences that sound like you are _trying_ to be profound. < 1362353159 64588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and failing. < 1362353173 990632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never got any "trying to be profound" sense. < 1362353184 437163 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.. i hope that's not my entire motivation < 1362353185 197919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that I see a lot of words with no point to them. < 1362353194 101149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I look to the left and it says . < 1362353277 580768 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then mainly it's that barely-in-context part. < 1362353333 533638 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm sure he's not the only one to go through a period of making such comments. < 1362353348 684168 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ich sind klugbar < 1362353354 990502 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry. sometimes my brain makes weird associations. and i wonder about it myself < 1362353370 972367 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll try to compense < 1362353470 811703 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Du machst Deutsch gutes, ja? < 1362353559 640208 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :am bestenlich < 1362353621 251351 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're both dutch? < 1362353627 131929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should talk to taneb < 1362353648 527535 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought taneb was Hexhamish. < 1362353720 325652 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham am Main < 1362353727 540933 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and to answer Phantom_Hoovers question. no! i don't think i'm THAT clever. unfortunatly i'm not a good mathematician and not the best programmer. yes, i like philosphy and i like to wonder. also you guys impressed me very much, and that's mostly the reason i came here and ..am still here < 1362353775 367253 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not impressed me < 1362353801 422181 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressed is correct :) < 1362353852 409512 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :had to check this in my dictionary < 1362353889 614635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :impressario < 1362353893 23169 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :si < 1362353896 692544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(see i too make random comments) < 1362353904 475561 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1362353988 433584 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1362354460 601805 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (and yes, the workaround involves exhausting your pid space by forking until it wraps around and hits the value you're expecting) < 1362354468 639681 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of anarchy golf < 1362354498 916565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't mitsuhiko play anagolf or something < 1362354502 36279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm misremembering a name < 1362354559 236677 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, perhaps < 1362354562 966386 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although that was a different context < 1362354638 854097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, what was the context? < 1362355002 992661 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: working around a bug in Upstart < 1362355009 497613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/19kjr5/fizzbuzz_revisited_using_rust/c8p452k < 1362355019 763698 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone's unfinished attempt to write FizzBuzz in Homespring < 1362355029 946149 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I applaud them for trying (and in fact, for having heard of the language) < 1362355034 627352 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1362355068 688230 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, they didn't say it was Homespring, but it's obvious < 1362355118 457215 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would find these select encode and decode operations to both be very useful in various C programs I write. < 1362355152 323635 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you find it useful? < 1362355346 492357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's rare that they come up < 1362355359 236163 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also C already has a well-known select function that does something entirely different < 1362355362 584787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find it come up a lot, actually < 1362355362 734544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's not common enough to use ~ for it < 1362355368 279987 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you'd have to use a different name, like iselect < 1362355372 464196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or ¢ < 1362355379 543317 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking I wanted to use ~< and ~> for those two operations < 1362355492 816773 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get all the fizzbuzzes < 1362355527 60355 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like Hello World, except takes about half a second more thought. < 1362355568 15136 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Did you ever have anything that you would use it, though? < 1362355582 549559 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it would have been useful in writing C-INTERCAL < 1362355596 567340 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Yes, but that isn't what I meant. < 1362355608 999377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (~<) < 1362355610 337951 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `~<' < 1362355610 487441 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1362355610 487628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `<' (imported from Data.Ord), < 1362355612 221439 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apart from that, only when writing an FFT, and even then, the version of bit-reverse in terms of select isn't as clear as the implementation in terms of more usual bitwise operators < 1362355613 5835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (~>) < 1362355614 213756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `~>' < 1362355614 363253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1362355614 363444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `>' (imported from Data.Ord), < 1362355654 20352 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would you need anything more than putStrLn.unlines.map(\x->case(x)of(x`mod`15==0)->"FizzBuzz";(x`mod`3==0)->"Fizz";(x`mod`5==0)->"Buzz";otherwise->show(x))$[1..100] < 1362355663 426213 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why indeed. < 1362355668 385749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hike < 1362355674 915235 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hatchet. < 1362355680 581893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1362355694 94076 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: now can you translate that to Homespring? < 1362355695 104029 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that code doesn't work < 1362355695 253623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fresh < 1362355695 776460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hajl < 1362355704 561655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I have had things where I wanted to use, in various other programs too, such as in a Famicom pattern and nametable editor, and in a program to write music for the General Instrument AY-3-8910 < 1362355705 398624 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I'm afraid you're not qualified for this position. < 1362355718 234408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And in a few other things too. < 1362355722 183532 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I've never tried writing any of those programs < 1362355725 778931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do like how Template Haskell separates the concept of producing code from the concept of custom syntax < 1362355731 549762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map(\x->case(x)of(x`mod`15==0)->"FizzBuzz";(x`mod`3==0)->"Fizz";(x`mod`5==0)->"Buzz";otherwise->show(x))$[1..100] < 1362355733 409699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:19: Parse error in pattern: x `mod` 15 < 1362355742 641428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i thought that looked fishy < 1362355815 393684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a correct fizzbuzz first time without something to warn you about syntax errors is probably quite difficult < 1362355816 357978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: But I have found it useful in other things too, I mean < 1362355824 960603 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It'd be even more fishy in Homesprint < 1362355828 463693 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homespring < 1362355831 118097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: hmm, now I kind of want to write a formally verified fizzbuzz < 1362355860 593592 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh you can't prove anything about imperative programs sorry < 1362355870 345826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um when did I say it would be imperative < 1362355879 224804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords[case(x`gcd`15)of 15->"FizzBuzz";3->"Fizz";5->"Buzz";_->show x|x<-[1..100]] < 1362355880 900014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 2 Fizz 4 Buzz Fizz 7 8 Fizz Buzz 11 Fizz 13 14 FizzBuzz 16 17 Fizz 19 Bu... < 1362355882 401487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -lpe 'for my $x (1..100) { print ($x % 15 == 0 ? "FizzBuzz" : $x % 5 == 0 ? "Buzz" : $x % 3 == 0 ? "Fizz" : $x); }' < 1362355882 991768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been trying to prove some things about imperative programs, in Coq. < 1362355890 455572 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map(\x->case()of_|(x`mod`15==0)->"FizzBuzz"|(x`mod`3==0)->"Fizz";|x`mod`5==0)->"Buzz"|otherwise->show(x))$[1..100] < 1362355891 975375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:18: parse error on input `|' < 1362355892 226752 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see if I did it first time < 1362355901 238018 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may need to do it again because of HackEgo startup time < 1362355909 877939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh bleh < 1362355913 272977 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362355915 82699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run perl -le 'for my $x (1..100) { print ($x % 15 == 0 ? "FizzBuzz" : $x % 5 == 0 ? "Buzz" : $x % 3 == 0 ? "Fizz" : $x); }' < 1362355916 375920 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \ 2 \ Fizz \ 4 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 7 \ 8 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 11 \ Fizz \ 13 \ 14 \ FizzBuzz \ 16 \ 17 \ Fizz \ 19 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 22 \ 23 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 26 \ Fizz \ 28 \ 29 \ FizzBuzz \ 31 \ 32 \ Fizz \ 34 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 37 \ 38 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 41 \ Fizz \ 43 \ 44 \ FizzBuzz \ 46 \ 47 \ Fizz \ 49 \ Buzz \ Fizz \ 52 \ 53 \ Fizz \ Buzz \ 56 \ Fizz \ 58 \ < 1362355926 776241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does invoking the interpreter incorrectly count? < 1362355928 239927 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362355930 196701 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the program itself was right < 1362355961 836917 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: use game semantics! < 1362355984 239484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for what? < 1362355993 774449 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fizzbuzz! < 1362356017 423955 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: proving things about imperative programs < 1362356036 136343 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Clever < 1362356044 548360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1362356069 949938 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Too many spaces though < 1362356071 426122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: unconvinced that would help :P < 1362356089 387487 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's one of the main applications that was found for it < 1362356102 497656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but what I'm doing is sort of weird < 1362356121 120078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are we fizzbuzzing < 1362356137 607663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: because someone tried and failed to write fizzbuzz in Homespring < 1362356144 629793 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I mentioned it here because here was the appropriate channel < 1362356153 664715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: um there's just one space < 1362356170 105479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i left in because removing it would add characters < 1362356258 176006 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :One space is too many < 1362356265 200874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm does lambdabot have bang patterns < 1362356267 670445 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's totally reasonable to consider making a Haskell monad for producing code in another (crappy) language, right? < 1362356272 632796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords[case(x`gcd`15)of!15->"FizzBuzz";3->"Fizz";5->"Buzz";_->show x|x<-[1..100]] < 1362356274 300877 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 2 Fizz 4 Buzz Fizz 7 8 Fizz Buzz 11 Fizz 13 14 FizzBuzz 16 17 Fizz 19 Bu... < 1362356275 633495 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure!! < 1362356284 6044 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go then < 1362356288 342002 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (!) < 1362356289 623309 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ix i => Array i e -> i -> e < 1362356304 73559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it's not the operator, it's a strictness modifier on a pattern < 1362356313 79097 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah =P < 1362356318 714324 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can apply it to of < 1362356323 180400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: is there any reason to strict the pattern? in order to leave no spaces in the program? < 1362356324 890788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also a laziness modifier ~, but it wouldn't work there < 1362356329 703264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: to 15, actually < 1362356338 956250 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that was what FreeFull demanded :P < 1362356341 112796 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :strict 15 < 1362356341 301703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1362356361 807086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: entirely redundant semantically there, of course < 1362356365 998373 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is there any difference in evaluation order between stricting and not stricting that pattern? < 1362356372 204120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly it produces the same result < 1362356374 571589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because gcd is total < 1362356375 433495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: not in that case, no < 1362356383 517730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :case of is strict by default < 1362356384 816474 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I meant in that case < 1362356389 806006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let is lazy by default < 1362356400 946586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt fizzbuzz < 1362356420 354615 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the original /original/ article was about demonstrating how pattern matching works by giving fizzbuzz as an example < 1362356425 425579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: adding a lazy ~ modifier _would_ break it. < 1362356425 954516 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we've sort-of gone full circle < 1362356426 722026 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let 5 = 6 in 5 < 1362356428 75758 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1362356433 626394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original what < 1362356433 854819 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm, why? < 1362356436 151603 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let !5 = 6 in 5 < 1362356436 301137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords[case(x`gcd`15)of~15->"FizzBuzz";3->"Fizz";5->"Buzz";_->show x|x<-[1..100]] < 1362356437 625154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: :3:5-10: Non-exhaustive patterns in pattern binding < 1362356437 786862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1362356438 591384 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: original article < 1362356440 985749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of what < 1362356453 14464 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I linked the channel to an unfinished attempt at FizzBuzz in Homespring < 1362356460 284194 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which was written in a comment to a Reddit post < 1362356461 625393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362356461 776174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's weird < 1362356487 641802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Homespring, which has nothing even remotely resembling arithmetic, is a pretty hard language to write FizzBuzzes in < 1362356489 28399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought that should give a list of FizzBuzz only, but not actually err out < 1362356518 83 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you get non-exhaustive patterns when one of them is _? < 1362356519 569914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ~15 means "don't actually check the pattern until a variable in it is evaluated" and there is no variable in it < 1362356522 467321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords [case x `gcd` 15 of ~15 -> "FizzBuzz" | x <- [1..100]] < 1362356524 440259 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "FizzBuzz FizzBuzz FizzBuzz FizzBuzz FizzBuzz FizzBuzz FizzBuzz FizzBuzz Fi... < 1362356533 298754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe your extra cases are doing weird things. < 1362356533 948378 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1362356540 719543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: huh < 1362356541 627330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the ~15 just becomes _irrefutable_ < 1362356546 459528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than actually lazy < 1362356552 234443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords [case x `gcd` 15 of ~15 -> "FizzBuzz"; _ -> "hello" | x <- [1..100]] < 1362356554 101017 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: UnknownError "GHC returned a result but said: [GhcError {errMs... < 1362356559 114426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, nice < 1362356577 665988 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see the rest of the error! < 1362356584 740536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think we've found a bug in ghc :P < 1362356615 444647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get it locally (7.6.2) < 1362356650 176398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/FbAX < 1362356690 396623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No error here http://ideone.com/JRGZGo < 1362356691 403183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah ok then < 1362356713 100578 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords [case 14 of ~15 -> "a", _ -> "b"] < 1362356714 921723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pattern syntax in expression context: _ -> "b" < 1362356716 896940 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1362356731 710034 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords [case 14 of ~15 -> "a"; _ -> "b"] < 1362356733 457167 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: UnknownError "GHC returned a result but said: [GhcError {errMs... < 1362356734 150449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, you put , instead of ; < 1362356736 250843 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362356744 421617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot/hint bug I assume? < 1362356748 593756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> case 1 of ~2 -> 2; _ -> 1 < 1362356749 579471 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sucks < 1362356750 341312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: UnknownError "GHC returned a result but said: [GhcError {errMs... < 1362356757 906974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there we go, I guess that's a minimal test case < 1362356759 821931 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is that like four nested errors < 1362356761 723750 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1362356777 297725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: only three nested errors are visible there, but there might be more < 1362356801 988121 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's UnknownError, said, GhcError, errMs[g] < 1362356804 948135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: UnknownError "GHC returned a result but said: [GhcError {errMsg = \":3:1:\\n Warning: Pattern match(es) are overlapped\\n In a case alternative: _ -> ...\"} < 1362356805 97586 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : ]" < 1362356805 815246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude> case 1 of ~2 -> 2; _ -> 1 < 1362356817 118257 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my ghci gave the same warning, and returned 2 < 1362356833 13858 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1362356847 458406 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone who knows more Haskell than me will need to explain whether the fault is in my understanding of Haskell, or of ghc's < 1362356854 177109 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm guessing it's mine) < 1362356860 621522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the correct result < 1362356864 57831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ makes the pattern irrefutable < 1362356871 257026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1362356875 216838 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thus it forces the 1 to match 2? < 1362356876 148217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and hence, lazier) < 1362356880 502222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: it blithely assumes it does < 1362356884 818630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362356889 142888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :consider also case undefined of ~(x,y) -> "hello" ++ show x ++ show y < 1362356889 740591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then because the internals of the 2 aren't used anywhere < 1362356900 355809 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't notice anything is wrong < 1362356903 786234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or fix (\ ~(x:xs) -> 1:x:xs) < 1362356905 591790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362356908 661679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which would be too strict without the ~) < 1362356916 255912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since, what if it's []? it'd want to give an error) < 1362356935 581196 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, this makes sense < 1362356961 658656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait that line still has a space in it < 1362356972 596080 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey you all are nerds right? what's a reader for android that'll let me read public domain text files without pausing to redownload everything every two minutes < 1362356977 507001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unwords[case(x`gcd`15)of!15->"FizzBuzz";3->"Fizz";5->"Buzz";_->show$x|x<-[1..100]] < 1362356978 986378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1 2 Fizz 4 Buzz Fizz 7 8 Fizz Buzz 11 Fizz 13 14 FizzBuzz 16 17 Fizz 19 Bu... < 1362356988 601331 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how hard can it be to present text to me < 1362356988 750871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that problem sounds suspiciously practical < 1362356994 682290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: MOAR FIXED < 1362356996 586480 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's horribly practical ;_; < 1362357004 999421 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could… write your own? < 1362357014 370981 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of one offhand, not owning an android phone < 1362357035 181194 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Might as well use unlines < 1362357057 136129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> unlines[case(x`gcd`15)of!15->"FizzBuzz";3->"Fizz";5->"Buzz";_->show$x|x<-[1..100]] < 1362357058 843680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1\n2\nFizz\n4\nBuzz\nFizz\n7\n8\nFizz\nBuzz\n11\nFizz\n13\n14\nFizzBuzz\n1... < 1362357068 211211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not immensely pretty < 1362357073 242595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$unlines[case(x`gcd`15)of!15->"FizzBuzz";3->"Fizz";5->"Buzz";_->show$x|x<-[1..100]] < 1362357074 887978 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1362357075 72313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1362357075 221957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Fizz < 1362357075 222135 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1362357075 222246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Buzz < 1362357076 926807 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[11 @more lines] < 1362357112 974864 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t var < 1362357113 932993 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Sym a < 1362357124 230140 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting < 1362357149 20596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a nice trick for unquoting a string lambdabot prints < 1362357228 341350 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "I like pie" < 1362357229 817537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : I like pie < 1362357231 189029 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :var is only used because of its show method, right? < 1362357239 376816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1362357256 698613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ ulines["foo","`echo hi"] < 1362357258 690382 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `ulines' < 1362357258 859852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1362357259 9677 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `lines' (importe... < 1362357261 4394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ unlines["foo","`echo hi"] < 1362357261 153971 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "\0332" < 1362357262 667369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: : hPutChar: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1362357262 826082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1362357265 268411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t repeat < 1362357267 11619 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> [a] < 1362357275 942533 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: lambdabot's Unicode support is buggy < 1362357283 149898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i think you got a race condition < 1362357285 150896 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362357285 735556 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var . take 100 $ repeat '\n' < 1362357287 499379 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ unlines["foo","`echo hi"] < 1362357288 105240 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Terminated < 1362357289 242566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : foo < 1362357289 392066 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `echo hi < 1362357297 718392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it remembered the leading space that time < 1362357323 978402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it always does, it just has two on the first one < 1362357333 367891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1362357368 358558 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "\xe2\x99\xa5" < 1362357369 816354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: : hPutChar: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1362357375 566458 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1362357441 908182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "\180" < 1362357443 376048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: : hPutChar: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1362357456 889654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it only allows ASCII... < 1362357470 192608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or possibly things get double encoded < 1362357657 690145 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var "\x40" < 1362357659 95558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : @ < 1362357975 124323 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will it work in GCC for one module to specify that a type does not alias while in another module the same type does alias? < 1362358016 519669 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, does it work in LLVM? < 1362358164 86141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think someone mentioned segways http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/kellermannen/ < 1362358326 784838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will structures alias each other if one has an anonymous member having the type of the other structure as its first element? < 1362358544 401031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1362358749 979066 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362360292 674692 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just that I see a lot of words with no point to them. Then I look to the left and it says . <-- i suggest reading from left to right would at least allow you break after 'hagb4rd' and not to waste your time :p < 1362360366 607756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, there's a useful suggestion. < 1362360383 366668 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool ;) < 1362360662 833552 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if you're using a client with decent justification < 1362360693 936334 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: do you have a hihlight on hagb4rd? < 1362360750 381140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, hagb4rd, i just happened to check the channel 5 minutes after that exchange and half an hour after anything worthwhile was said < 1362360771 61866 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362360893 286934 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362360898 468989 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362361630 319352 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So nervous about tomorrow < 1362361638 270595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still sad about that other place though < 1362361649 60379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I screwed up with them, how can I avoid screwing up with Ipreo? < 1362361669 725301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you could not screw up the thing you screwed up before < 1362361683 794984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know exactly what I screwed up, though. < 1362361807 773309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe agreeing to send one of my worst pieces of code? < 1362361866 473499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which we barely talked about on the phone -- after a lengthy discussion about a piece of code which they suddenly decided was too long ago to look at. < 1362361988 492375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just chose someone else over you < 1362362079 281107 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you didn't send them a piece of esolang code, did you? < 1362362104 872843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not, unless you consider Tcl to be an esolang. < 1362362123 455555 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway: good luck! < 1362362126 311390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sending Tcl to a company that likes functional programming -> bad idea? < 1362362128 827658 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, thanks < 1362362152 574677 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you just send some häskéll < 1362362196 121785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That wasn't what they asked for. I don't think I have any Haskell stuff listed on my resume. And the one project that I _could_ reasonably send that I did in Haskell seems a bit ... awkward to mention to potential employers < 1362362204 133913 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It was a thing to attempt to manage speed dating things) < 1362362219 277352 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you, like, victorian < 1362362516 76070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just make it about 'speed interviews' instead < 1362362542 677969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that would quite work < 1362362646 605960 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :try to ask many questions, with an atitude of "what do you have to offer, so i'd like to work for you" < 1362362726 350919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: close enough? < 1362362740 519215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1362362742 140450 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Brb < 1362362903 766051 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took as input number of straight/bi/gay men and women, and tried to match them up for each round < 1362362947 434250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that as (straight/bi/gay men) and women < 1362362965 912425 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty generalizable < 1362363014 994682 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My algorithm sucked < 1362363026 121390 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you use the list monad < 1362363030 333445 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it'd be useful < 1362363047 812148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. But the algorithm emits non-ideal results < 1362363068 729828 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like matching bi on gay? or what? < 1362363088 296735 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say 3 straight men and 3 straight women. First round: m1-f1 m2-f2 m3-f3. Second round: m1-f3 m3-f1 no-match... < 1362363105 71690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't manage to minimize people sitting out or number of rounds < 1362363135 195523 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made the algorithm much uglier in attempts to at least minimize the pain < 1362363141 712717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw that doesn't seem that embarassing < 1362363158 578332 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, what are you, Victorian? < 1362363171 20628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strikes me as an obvious "well here's a vaguely real-world application" thing < 1362363686 163045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362363772 588547 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a "straight situation" you could have just "shift" men OR women to the next table < 1362363788 90114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1362363796 4196 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1362363811 460481 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, correct. But it needs to generalize to mixed situations < 1362363824 751749 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a smarter way to handle it than brute-forcing < 1362363841 612360 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, this one is 877. < 1362363842 523454 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, thinking of that it's not THAT trivial < 1362363879 442816 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least if we don't want to discriminate the dedrophiles < 1362363918 422716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, my cache is _still_ stuck despite losing my visited links marking... < 1362363933 595584 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any case where there are no bisexuals is trivial < 1362363949 811075 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep, i thought so < 1362363971 889972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0877.html hth < 1362363977 954265 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should rewrite this as a graph coloring problem. < 1362364051 815327 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know graph theory. < 1362364085 438934 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or better: graph coloring solution :p < 1362364136 829871 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :selling solutions is easier than selling problems < 1362364148 77034 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty easy. You have some dots and some lines and you can look up the answer becaue it was probably worked out decades ago. < 1362364283 692765 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the question ist what have graphs in common with dots and lines < 1362364319 551112 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're made out of dots and lines! Or in "the lingo", "nodes" or "vertices" and "edges". < 1362364322 945745 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I just blow your mind? < 1362364333 611090 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't say < 1362365636 820528 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362365642 510707 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362366071 838046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thgeo < 1362366383 624685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Template Haskell Sgeo? < 1362366430 802536 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1362366431 224219 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why are they called "edges" < 1362366436 760682 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :awful name imo < 1362366452 786555 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has an edge to it < 1362366471 408530 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: euler's "bridges" never really caught on < 1362366485 222315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about "lines" < 1362366508 609670 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They tried that for a while, but then the geometers came around with bats. < 1362366530 220937 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lines aren't abstract enough. < 1362366587 231266 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh they are: the shortest conjuction between two points. but they don't feel comfortable with language anyone could understand < 1362366608 911019 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just wouldn't feel right < 1362366621 675017 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, in graph theory edges don't usually have geometric length in the same way as uh, lines, do. < 1362366635 811462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't each edge have length 1? < 1362366637 908138 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need metrics or nuthin. < 1362366680 813010 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about topological geometry guys < 1362366681 861936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Each edge is 1 edge in length. < 1362366699 791177 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-b-c < 1362366715 187171 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a and b are 1 edge from eachother. The distance between a and c is 2 edges. < 1362366729 91488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-b-c < 1362366729 498788 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :each edge is one edge in length. that's pretty deep. < 1362366730 445583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ / < 1362366738 973231 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : v < 1362366745 683550 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...didn't think that one through! < 1362366748 912684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's try this again < 1362366750 500853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a-b-c < 1362366751 922412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : \ / < 1362366763 667697 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PART :#esoteric < 1362366768 752992 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : d < 1362366769 704378 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362366784 605765 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphs aren't easy. < 1362366796 917835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just convert it to a monoid < 1362366906 536885 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, graphs actually do form metric spaces. Oopsie. < 1362366908 4958 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a─b─c < 1362366909 318051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :└───┘ < 1362366914 378742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :THERE < 1362366934 834673 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, box drawing characters. < 1362366948 461116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1362366952 702798 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway then you'd usually say all of a b and c are one away from one another. < 1362366954 939524 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ywachaf < 1362366956 345253 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that comparable with algorithms like A* ..in which an edge still can have a different value than? < 1362366957 705924 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :graph { a--b; b--c; a--c; } < 1362366962 664103 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: Weights. < 1362366970 117375 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weight..sorry yes < 1362366980 325910 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are they weights and not masses < 1362366984 30995 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So geocentric < 1362366998 856474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because < 1362367004 384755 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not to mention cumbersome) < 1362367009 13672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet does not understand the gravity of the situation < 1362367034 576947 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, A* is a pathfinding algorithm for graphs of course. < 1362367072 713458 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a heavy thought to ponder. < 1362367087 731056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@brain are you pondering what Jafet is pondering? < 1362367088 258287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think so, Brain, but do I really need two tongues? < 1362367095 106020 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea.. a good practical example is the shortest way in lenth != the sortest time you need to go < 1362367099 105136 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362367100 750273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1362367113 698181 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so weight is more general than length < 1362367129 850037 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on context < 1362367186 530452 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every edge can have a different weight.. at least the relations stay the same..right? < 1362367193 257838 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what relations < 1362367202 122362 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "lines" < 1362367226 673309 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like streets < 1362367238 875763 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or whatever < 1362367244 439820 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to keep things simple < 1362367314 71673 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still i don't see clear how exactly that would solving the speed dating problem (which doesn't mean it would not) < 1362367367 704686 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*would help < 1362367367 854345 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you could reframe it easily as graphshit and then use some known algorithm. < 1362367394 464733 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds reasonable < 1362367576 676078 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphshit theory < 1362368074 300933 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :grapeshot theory < 1362368127 758474 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A whiff of graphshit < 1362368164 895150 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i help you < 1362368257 747676 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :grapeshot is a shitstorm < 1362368341 94922 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362368692 255417 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362369207 734163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://intothecontinuum.tumblr.com/post/21482592732/mathematica-code-p-t-1-0-9-cos-8-t-1 < 1362369263 188924 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362369278 49931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: whoa man. drugs. < 1362369316 753940 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no 420s in the code :/ < 1362369321 479737 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362369353 776893 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362369455 307362 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of http://mathworld.wolfram.com/CannabisCurve.html thank you wolfram mathworld < 1362369486 865411 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there are any pretty curves involved with analysis of the endocanniboid system. < 1362369487 305394 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1362369494 352014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Botanical Terminology" < 1362369509 520767 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i cannot spell that word < 1362369594 612341 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A lot more in that category than I'd ever have expected. < 1362370658 485644 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362370695 863435 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362372170 66699 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362372850 574288 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362373341 782146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362373567 519377 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if Randall opened up a can of security worms with people taking latest xkcd too seriously... < 1362373636 344915 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺ < 1362373665 745783 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw man, goatkcd hasn't updated yet. < 1362373676 841413 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::☹) < 1362375880 361988 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362375904 844868 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362375924 855856 :pikhq!~pikhq@174-24-33-39.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362376078 59384 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362376660 849068 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362377333 603686 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362377353 481624 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362378636 899423 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: hah < 1362378695 576580 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362379278 505780 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Those that don't understand sarcasm? < 1362379434 228676 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362379498 862566 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362379710 356770 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362380317 893458 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rxvhvucuznwyonmv QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362380330 844806 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362381529 455341 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1362382082 588831 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1362382799 548370 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362383249 73290 :Bike!~Glossina@65-100-34-217.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362383517 141612 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362385208 537397 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@195.206.224.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362386420 876101 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362387933 906382 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362388015 202126 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Client Quit < 1362388233 544316 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362388244 775215 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362388368 666261 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362388942 151708 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-basnbegnhnozjpgh JOIN :#esoteric < 1362389239 710518 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362389278 864152 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362392262 633758 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362392268 64940 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there program viewing .ods file without needing editing feature and all that stuff? < 1362392299 109159 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1362392872 96022 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :% apt-cache search '\' < 1362392873 837522 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :odt2txt - simple converter from OpenDocument Text to plain text < 1362392890 966239 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good enough? < 1362392930 278211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I simple converter from WordArt to plane text < 1362393282 398988 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf++ < 1362393567 192185 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362393804 546298 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362393934 197060 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giraffes http://imgur.com/a/EiQ5t http://i.imgur.com/Kkhghkj.jpg < 1362393961 592478 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Giraffes are a bit like crystal meth < 1362393978 505724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i be a giraffe < 1362393983 657159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1362393984 79464 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362393987 936820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1362393988 733241 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love giraffes. < 1362393997 948278 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are so long. < 1362394020 48583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Do you know a good way to draw categories? < 1362394028 672653 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :draw categories? < 1362394028 993685 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something that expresses all the information in a category. < 1362394034 332732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than just the objects and arrows. < 1362394035 597942 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the information? < 1362394045 289520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The normal objects/arrows doesn't show you what composes to what. < 1362394055 18708 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362394086 350052 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the solution is clearly a heckload of commutative diagrams??? < 1362394143 285521 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Something like http://phpsadness.com/static/pages/sad/52/order-full-eq.png < 1362394451 537602 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is php a category < 1362394481 357112 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone should write a “PHP is a monad” tutorial. < 1362394567 572770 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad idea bad idea bad idea < 1362394581 682170 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"PHP is PHP" < 1362394584 107208 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The group generated by bad ideas??? < 1362394588 980418 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd rather write "PHP is a mistake" tutorial < 1362394593 36376 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do bad ideas have inverses < 1362394619 588326 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there such a thing as an idea that is not bad < 1362394634 499400 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good idea < 1362394662 666372 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :An idea that is still bad but would completely cancel out another bad idea < 1362394666 29849 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the inverse of a bad idea could be another bad idea < 1362394683 147445 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is mandatory in a group generated only by bad ideas) < 1362395135 79666 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362395233 746087 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does PHP compare to ASP < 1362395286 313101 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`erflist < 1362395287 627071 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: erflist: not found < 1362395330 138073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody cares about error functions, Sgeo < 1362395345 710018 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :taneb: You can implement an SQL injection vulnerability in both. < 1362395371 765870 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: does ASP at least have consistent function names? < 1362395420 825814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASP is not a language, is it? < 1362395493 697005 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, it's a framework < 1362395512 107079 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, its function names are as good as VB.NET's < 1362395559 366006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean ASP.NET? < 1362395567 748144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a completely different thing from ASP, of course. < 1362395654 3451 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sort of meaning everything at once < 1362395655 707093 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ignore me < 1362395670 513096 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh thank you for the welcome < 1362395767 805540 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> div (4*10^10) (10^10) :: Int < 1362395769 640096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4 < 1362395797 960671 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND THAT IS MY CUE TO LEAVE < 1362395804 31818 :Taneb!d917e6fc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.217.23.230.252 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1362395809 416898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome atehwa < 1362395812 740094 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​06at12e06hwa03: We11lcome to the i11nternat09ional hub for esoteric 07programming 03lang02uage design 03and 12deploymen14t! For more inf07ormatio08n, c14heck03 o12ut our wiki07: ht05tp://eso09langs.or07g/wiki/Main_Page. 07(For the oth05er kind of 12es14oteri10ca, try #esoteric o07n i07rc04.dal.net.) < 1362395840 775545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Did you ever help the Dylan folks? < 1362395858 909325 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1362395872 601128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless a little discussion counts as helping < 1362395878 149742 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should really go back to sleep < 1362396344 211113 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :18<KneferilisHome> hello, how would you describe what a first class function and a higher order function are? < 1362396352 79915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's an... interesting way to phrase that question < 1362396376 350195 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If e didn't know what those are, wouldn't e ask "What is a first-class function and a higher order function?"? < 1362396426 934083 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :very insightful < 1362396433 988298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered a creer in psychology < 1362396490 207808 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: What happened to your h key? < 1362396504 9554 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spivak took it. < 1362396526 133035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my heart < 1362396535 465212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spivakuüm < 1362396613 369907 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ((),()) > I,I < 1362396641 874561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1362396648 132082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I,I" is an owl face < 1362396657 164782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"((),())" is some kind of bug or something. < 1362396847 395560 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Huh. When i was “((),())” i thought it looks like an owl. When i was “I,I” i thought it’s some weird anime emoticon. < 1362396863 374694 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :saw < 1362396907 432372 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to start making word substitution typos when i have been awake for too long. < 1362396991 665910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :((),()) may also be part of a spider or something. < 1362396994 410647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who can say? < 1362397730 546010 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362397937 393016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is just some parentheses and comma; what it means depends on the context. < 1362398176 918454 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there an ASP.NET but not a Python Web < 1362398189 612998 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :use WSGI < 1362399070 238743 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably using modwsgi < 1362399073 285569 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then go Django < 1362399116 296041 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just (var "evil) < 1362427372 778194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:17: < 1362427372 938592 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at end of input < 1362427374 278018 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just (var "evil") < 1362427376 312080 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just evil < 1362427548 144005 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362428001 183404 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362428013 149484 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Just (var "!") < 1362428015 357890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just ! < 1362428032 454961 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362428052 621655 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix show < 1362428054 475556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\... < 1362428087 572514 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost like look-and-say with show < 1362428102 671104 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show (fix show) < 1362428105 114492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "\"\\\"\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\"\\\\\\\\\\\\... < 1362428111 97884 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Is there a fixed point of the look-and-say sequence... < 1362428161 750493 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :1, 11, 21, 1211, 111221, 312211, 13112221, 1113213211, 31131211131221... < 1362428177 269639 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first digit is going to keep going 1, 1, 3, 1, 1, 3, ..., isn't it. < 1362428195 481706 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((<>) <$> id <*> map not) < 1362428199 476094 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1362428204 395675 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix ((<>) <$> id <*> map not) :: [Bool] < 1362428208 417800 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1362428364 101297 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there isn't one in the sequence < 1362428386 798970 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for the function that you keep applying to get it, [2,2] is a fixed point < 1362428446 96287 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it have other fixed points? < 1362428467 632267 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1362428484 145482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played the Pokemon game with rental, yesterday, and the day before, against my brother we switch sides afterward, this time I managed to win both times but first time I just got lucky. < 1362428801 164491 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362428846 136207 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was first player and in that game you take turn to select the command starting with first player on each turn, so the second player can see how long it took for the first player to select his command. < 1362428938 520355 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362428988 423148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it would be better for it to alternate, like it is done in E-card? < 1362429514 956096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In E-card, you have five minutes to select what card to play. In this game I was playing, the timer can be set up to 90 seconds. < 1362429531 410723 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I mean up to 99 seconds, or no limit. < 1362429536 61889 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had it set to 90 seconds. < 1362429671 632777 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any way I could use realWorld# or anything else with a # from GHC.Prim < 1362429765 674608 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets parsed as realWorld # < 1362429777 24502 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to enable the extension for MagicHash < 1362429811 340923 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1362429986 395488 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :University challenge: "Where's Turku? Where's Trondheim?" < 1362430005 381384 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Where's Hexham? < 1362430006 525128 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1362430008 540262 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I wish) < 1362430282 685730 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like #esoteric jeopardy... A: Turku Q: Where's Hexham? < 1362430401 743968 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362430569 806740 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362430575 215241 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362430751 235396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362431018 287250 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what happen in this Pokemon game if the master clock expires. < 1362431030 880489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:57:58 Well, the inverse of a bad idea could be another bad idea < 1362431031 223037 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:58:15 (which is mandatory in a group generated only by bad ideas) < 1362431071 16364 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: sorry, that does not obviously follow. at least if you take the analogy bad = negative, the statement is false for the integers. < 1362431085 764386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1362431105 244966 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if, say, good=prime? There are no negative prime numbers. < 1362431126 569560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "Newsflash: every single letter is 'U'" | uuu < 1362431128 266776 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuuuuuuuu: uuuuu uuuuuu uuuuuu uu 'U' < 1362431136 712762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :UUU < 1362431142 328103 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(aka QED) < 1362431167 824920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are some ideas I have for what such things might want to do: [1] Commands are selected at random for both sides at maximum speed. [2] Whoever has more % of HP remaining wins. [3] Whoever has more happiness wins. [4] Whoever used up less time during their turns in total wins. [5] Whoever has the inferior team at the beginning of the battle wins. [6] It is always a draw. < 1362431170 88601 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That reminds me < 1362431178 9644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like any of this? < 1362431191 422191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: no, but then obviously bad = composite, and the multiplicative group of rationals is still generated by those < 1362431200 347144 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, not keen on 6 < 1362431300 923848 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: G gg gggggg; ggggg /g/ggggg. < 1362431318 111059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: In all cases including [6] I only mean if the master clock expires, though. < 1362431327 3627 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1362431340 324195 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case 6 is the best < 1362431356 904284 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as there's an "infinite time" option < 1362431364 842758 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 would be hard to measure < 1362431387 242601 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 and 2 are okay < 1362431396 401263 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know enough about the game to comment on 3 < 1362431407 732868 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 I'm in two minds about < 1362431411 1089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes. Actually, if there is an option, at least if I did it, you would be able to set the master clock to whatever or infinite, as well as to set what happen when it expires, and it would measure by computer so [5] is not being hard to measure. < 1362431466 483795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean [4] is not being hard to measure. < 1362431480 216322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :[5] would be difficult unless the computer has levels or tiers perhaps! < 1362431488 167278 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With levels and tiers and stuff, it can be measured. < 1362431527 249492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is another possibility: [7] The time-wasting threshold is set. If the difference of time used up is less than the threshold, it is a draw, otherwise whoever used up less time in total wins. < 1362431574 584644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course probably you will use a shot clock and/or a chess clock as welll, regardless what option you set, if you hare a master clock at all. < 1362431590 380761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Option [6] is like the rule in cricket. < 1362431621 252953 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I need to bulk out the description of Underload < 1362431624 242475 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I am writing < 1362431631 580621 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, interesting thing about Underload < 1362431667 682846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Official Scrabble tournaments are played with shot clocks, and outside of Britain also with a master clock. Chess boxing uses all three clocks. < 1362431674 115759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what is? < 1362431682 740632 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I'm asking for some < 1362431707 236218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the fact that it's TC with just 4 of its commands is something i find biasedly interesting :) < 1362431725 680177 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people prefer to play Scrabble with chess clocks instead. < 1362431736 196382 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a shot clock < 1362431751 594069 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, interesting thing about Underload < 1362431776 551527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shot clock means you have a timer to make your move on your turn, and is reset on every turn. < 1362431786 73173 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1362431811 207543 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In games that use that (such as snooker) that is what it is called, so probably it can be called the same in other games too. < 1362431915 124614 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes? underload is alreading interesting. more interest could cause some kind of wibbly-wobbly thing with our galactic black hole, and make the local supercluster implode. < 1362431916 954554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i believe elliott intends to feature Deadfish on April 1, so if Underload is featured now it will have less than a month. < 1362431938 963612 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, that means I can wait a bit longer for this < 1362431943 184569 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'd like it written < 1362431956 926539 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I'm writing a description for the featured language < 1362431965 806460 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because elliott doesn't want to and won't let ais523 < 1362431981 174932 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. i've been thinking vaguely that there should be a suggested blurb page under Esolang:Featured Languages/ < 1362432023 714203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: a small interesting thing is that it has very short quines < 1362432039 624519 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :without being specifically designed to have them (afaik) < 1362432111 511178 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (:a*S):a*S < 1362432119 537012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1362432125 705611 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my egotistical opinion, I'd say aubergine would make for an interesting featured language. < 1362432129 912581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: FUNGOT FATIGUE < 1362432141 840436 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (:a*S):a*S < 1362432143 914279 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(obviously, I have absolutely no bias towards that particular language, no siree.) < 1362432144 663812 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:a*S(:a*S) < 1362432154 189428 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (:~a*S):~a*S < 1362432154 512378 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​:~a*S(:~a*S) < 1362432158 81000 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1362432160 526133 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suck at this < 1362432179 333613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (:aSS):aSS < 1362432179 667093 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(:aSS):aSS < 1362432180 66674 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, I have a similar opinion of Fueue < 1362432212 586448 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (:a~*S):a~*S < 1362432212 981140 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(:a~*S):a~*S < 1362432244 744817 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: now make one which embeds an arbitrary element < 1362432353 714496 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (what)(~aS:a~*S)~aS:a~*S < 1362432354 124062 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(what)(~aS:a~*S)~aS:a~*S < 1362432426 419347 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: therefore, we need a cyclic aubergine/fueue quine. < 1362432447 640641 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh dear god < 1362432450 660856 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that even possible < 1362432499 414635 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cyclic aubergine? sounds awesome < 1362432513 792846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How did oerjan's fizzbuzz go? <-- see the logs hth < 1362432521 825 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm the worst at quines < 1362432531 467480 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm the guy who knows Fueue the third-best < 1362432551 58402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's the second best < 1362432558 221406 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, of course < 1362432565 537126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose < 1362432614 344437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm we haven't written a Fueue quine yet, have we. or is that what you are trying? < 1362432631 712999 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, boily was proposing a cyclic Aubergine/Fueue quine < 1362432638 765136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362432657 56819 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Imagine a cyclic Malbolge/ORK quine < 1362432664 372502 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1362432716 567332 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There is a scribe called bugger this" < 1362432876 576850 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362432997 556590 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Interactive Fiction database have no "disjunctive require" option for searching? < 1362433016 898320 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362433023 383941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it does have "allow", "require", "prohibit", which is OK. < 1362433812 699962 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-178.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362433918 97750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :can any girl genius readers here tell me if there has been an update today? i'd like to know if my cache/whatever issue affects that as well. < 1362433942 315224 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's updated MWF < 1362433942 673274 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :still using IE? < 1362433943 965072 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So no < 1362433951 201291 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, last update March 1st. < 1362433952 967399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: um today is monday < 1362433957 390434 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god < 1362433960 708844 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was Sunday < 1362433960 858309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thanks < 1362433970 738432 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eep < 1362433992 954306 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought yesterday was monday instead < 1362434013 895282 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, so on average, we're right < 1362434015 911643 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Scheduling an appointment for possible internship, but what if that conflicts with scheduling a possible Ipreo in-person meeting' < 1362434034 893470 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :schedule nothing and nothing will conflict < 1362434040 788392 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could ask to reschedule either < 1362434053 459617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the zen of management? < 1362434069 618708 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like the zen of not using a calendar < 1362434073 62543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, tao maybe < 1362434081 470126 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think management is more about using a calendar < 1362434117 388182 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do nothing twice at once and nothing will conflict with nothing < 1362434120 612023 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ipreo will be understanding if they suggest a day and I say I'm not available that day, how about a different day? < 1362434170 564152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, probably tao, I suspect zen is not used that way ... I also suspect they are not from the same tradition either < 1362434192 245386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tao isn't buddhistic < 1362434205 764305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although they're both from china afaik < 1362434213 764429 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the sound of one hand not having a scheduling conflict < 1362434217 569184 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't keep logs < 1362434230 73160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the bot logs. < 1362434239 736393 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i see a possible problem here. < 1362434243 28601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot log < 1362434277 750343 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :welcomes its new prime minister, Ed "Brainfuck Derivative" Centipede | Newsflash: every single letter is 'U' | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1362434310 384604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm the #esoteric got swallowed < 1362434310 888406 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :U're every single letter < 1362434317 168983 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :#esoteric welcomes its new prime minister, Ed "Brainfuck Derivative" Centipede | Newsflash: every single letter is 'U' | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1362434317 519843 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1362434528 776298 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What timezone is the bot using? < 1362434538 586820 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTC? < 1362434610 720386 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I'm gonna try to improve on your fizzbuzz < 1362434612 906011 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using monads < 1362434620 812964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather the list monad < 1362434626 408527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YOU GO AHEAD < 1362434633 395000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try included lenses while you're at it < 1362434637 892675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-ing < 1362434651 318050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :glogbot uses UTC afaik < 1362434657 397071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know lens syntax < 1362434672 354585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :clog uses something weird USy < 1362434688 831241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lenses are so easy! < 1362434708 72107 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the bots is on new zeeland time < 1362434722 172804 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's the prevailing time zone in hexham < 1362434738 186639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think clog is Pacific time same as my timezone; glogbot uses UNIX time so it can be converted to whatever format you need. < 1362434759 858560 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo is on nz language settings, no idea about timezone < 1362434762 347781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`time < 1362434764 42130 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: time: not found < 1362434768 273948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`date < 1362434769 811117 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mon Mar 4 22:06:09 UTC 2013 < 1362434773 337891 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1362434804 268687 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1362434879 44363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What types in Haskell can be regular reasoners? I think functors is one of them? < 1362434920 37661 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a regular reasoner < 1362434952 678942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :forall p and q: B(p -> q) -> B(Bp -> Bq) < 1362434975 245724 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fmap fmap < 1362434976 982927 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f1, Functor f) => f (a -> b) -> f (f1 a -> f1 b) < 1362434989 656861 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, fmap fmap is what I was thinking of. < 1362435018 822819 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362435050 783479 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I know < 1362435055 741491 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicatives < 1362435082 330276 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.192.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362435117 757486 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fmap fmap fmap < 1362435119 431252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f1, Functor f) => (a -> b) -> f (f1 a) -> f (f1 b) < 1362435208 943651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you talking about modal logic or something? < 1362435220 554145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1362435233 58230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does B mean "believe"? < 1362435242 799295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor is not what you want for that. < 1362435270 184447 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362435280 367440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they have that property, but they're too strong. < 1362435280 773059 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (fmap fmap fmap) < 1362435282 59960 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know, but I mean that Functor is one thing that is able to make such a type. < 1362435282 210608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f1, Functor f) => (a -> b) -> f (f1 a) -> f (f1 b) < 1362435294 741333 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, that is what I mean, too < 1362435317 132986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's doxastic logic (again). < 1362435429 633582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Raymond Smullyan has a book on modal logic? < 1362435449 447787 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362435497 668186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Why didn't you tell me? < 1362435507 150137 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was asleep. < 1362435513 236087 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362435533 694130 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, is that in Mock a Mockingbird? < 1362435533 889240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :WELL WAKE UP < 1362435538 598856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, _Forever Undecided_ < 1362435574 590587 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(B(x), (x -> B(y))) -> B(y) < 1362435592 240138 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy hell, what a cover < 1362435616 862185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't judge a musician by their cover, Bike < 1362435642 40756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ? < 1362435670 229752 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, me being sleepy and trying to show that possibility is a Monad < 1362435682 935501 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong modal logic? < 1362435690 132185 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PERHAPS < 1362435692 940654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't have quantifiers. < 1362435702 567910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this pseudoHaskell? < 1362435743 12545 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "Taneb's awful syntax for a misunderstanding of formal logic and its variations, loosely inspired by Haskell" < 1362435771 294842 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Certainty isn't a functor... < 1362435781 998702 :Taneb!~nathan@host-84-13-66-225.opaltelecom.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362435868 879981 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362435937 288584 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "We don't know what certainty is for sure, but at least it isn't a functor" >wisdom/certainty < 1362435941 144462 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362435944 775341 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? certainty < 1362435946 814062 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :We don't know what certainty is for sure, but at least it isn't a functor < 1362435953 996886 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -n "We don't know what certainty is for sure, but at least it isn't a functor." >wisdom/certainty < 1362435957 559947 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362436002 70271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is certainty a monoid < 1362436021 231868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not that easy < 1362436048 327496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(why is a dead horse looking at me disapprovingly) < 1362436089 254746 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp wisdom/certain{t,l}y && sed -i 's/ty/ly/' wisdom/certainly < 1362436093 169477 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362436241 68453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Jafet < 1362436243 5512 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1362436263 707437 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? shachaf < 1362436265 319612 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. < 1362436273 472264 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1362436281 606526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, who doesn't? < 1362436370 349551 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't, it hasn't reached Canada yet. < 1362436381 375729 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello guys < 1362436389 618056 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi there! < 1362436395 429909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :evening < 1362436432 593023 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what is the purpose of "allow"? < 1362436489 394074 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb just because I can tell my computer to interpret fueue doesn't mean I know anything about fueue :) < 1362436489 615239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362436515 327204 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an exciting day today < 1362436555 152814 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Jafet < 1362436556 839472 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :825) I wonder if Red Alert 4 will use MMIX \ 850) The world needs better healthcare, social justice and wealth distribution, but a monads library for clojure surely won't hurt \ 955) This position is asking for "- Extensive experience with API" You're just not qualified, kid. < 1362436577 486268 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to go to the cinema to see Angelopoulos' post-mortem film, but at the last moment I remembered I had to play a game for the qualifications for the french youth go team < 1362436587 821790 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I stayed home instead (qualifications are played on the internet) < 1362436596 744325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then my opponent didn't show up < 1362436640 965855 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the game was finally forfeited, I figured I still had enough time to run to the cinema to see Ben Affleck's Argo < 1362436664 266420 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did so... but the theatre was full < 1362436711 705754 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Movies are seen on the internet < 1362436720 749167 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :argo must be seen at the cinema. < 1362436729 228956 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362436749 628608 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :French Youth Go could be a saturday morning TV show. < 1362436750 734723 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a while since I've played go. I guess I'm now somewhere around 18~19 kyu. < 1362436840 309431 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: you should start again! < 1362436920 773965 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the plus side, I chatted with the projectionist intern, who happens to be very cute < 1362437091 600783 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I turned to the shōgi side of the foce a long time ago, and nowadays I'm more of a mahjong player than anything else. < 1362437140 236789 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're the second person I met who's gone from go to shogi < 1362437151 678145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should play some Go at some point < 1362437157 812527 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it's hard to score Go in person :( < 1362437161 782755 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess two is a fair retribution for the countless chess players who turned go players < 1362437377 206247 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362437394 188040 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362438494 30132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362438561 189527 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362438752 303344 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362439753 948093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Remind me: Did you need → or End for that game? < 1362439781 340632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I can play shogi and mahjong, as well as chess and go < 1362439822 655036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: "allow" is simply the default setting; it doesn't actually mean anything. < 1362439842 518304 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know the rules of western chess, but can't play it. I'm better at xiangqi than shōgi. my mahjong is probably good, but my go is rust-y (har har har... *sigh* stupid pun.). < 1362439860 581386 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can play xiangqi too. < 1362439908 704059 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's have a chessgoshogixiangki tournament! < 1362439954 460222 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I claim mornington crescent by way of picadilly! < 1362439968 381419 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Resolve ko through a kickboxing match < 1362439996 887054 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362440096 629991 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362440124 74762 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362440397 275760 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kinds of rules do you like to use with mahjong? < 1362440431 712038 :Regis_!~Regis@187.65.192.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362440490 457761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants to try Backgammon < 1362440530 923272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know how to play backgammon too. < 1362440553 998948 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to play backgammon anymore. the dice always conspire against me. < 1362440609 656106 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: have you tried using two cups? so that they don't get an opportunity to talk < 1362440687 977094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to play backgammon card. < 1362440825 475986 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: good suggestion. I'll try it next time against my bro. < 1362440831 592950 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that exists? < 1362440872 336452 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm you could replace the dice by decks of 1-2-3-4-5-6 cards < 1362440908 49080 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you've got a big number of 1s in the beginning, you know you're not gonna have many of them in the endgame < 1362440978 521212 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Taupes et Compagnie» uses that concept, with a fixed stack of number-tokens. < 1362440985 608604 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can't remember that game's English name) < 1362441036 643512 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362441082 177886 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hypergeometric distribution, in my backgammon? < 1362441084 123592 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't know if it exists, but I want to play such game. < 1362441113 258698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I generally prefer the games with cards than with dice. < 1362441118 11985 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, zzo38: it is either "mole in the hole" or "under the ground". http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/321/the-mole-in-the-hole < 1362441141 482984 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: are you french? < 1362441179 48731 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: no, from Montréal, Québec. < 1362441202 691707 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or right you mentioned canada earlier < 1362441310 579405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you play Pokemon card or Magic: the Gathering cards? < 1362441401 855678 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only magic. < 1362441404 195940 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily:I'm from Montreal. is not a valid answer to are you French? < 1362441445 444581 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I'm not from France, therefore I'm not French. < 1362441468 90089 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like Magic: the Puzzling? < 1362441470 139768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cockatrice was shut down :( < 1362441483 314977 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooooooooooooooooo! < 1362441485 449415 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1362441487 938213 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Montreal isn't french, but Montréal < 1362441494 419162 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: fair < 1362441554 597386 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to go eat. I'm hungry. < 1362441557 98094 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1362441566 486783 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362441604 459331 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like Magic: the Gathering puzzles and Pokemon card puzzles, and I like to compose Pokemon card puzzles, including the one requiring retreating at least three times, knocking out your own cards, and so on. < 1362441663 294150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I play chess puzzles too, as well as tsume shogi, too. < 1362441671 777079 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I saw a player use Restoration Angel to flash a token at the GP < 1362441721 920603 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you give me the text of that card, and the details of the situation? < 1362441774 330956 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :too much effort < 1362441930 984710 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can someone copy the list at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Self-modifying and email it to me? < 1362441982 354628 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Self-modifying < 1362441985 109479 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-05 00:06:24 URL:http://esolangs.org/wiki/Category:Self-modifying [18477] -> "Category:Self-modifying" [1] < 1362442008 231153 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`mail < 1362442009 341035 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: mail: not found < 1362442011 881578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Do you not remember? < 1362442039 179551 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362442150 700011 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember < 1362442157 695961 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just too lazy. You can look up card texts yourself < 1362442167 309005 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google mtg gatherer restoration angel < 1362442168 921662 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://gatherer.wizards.com/pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=240096 < 1362442169 80221 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Restoration Angel (Avacyn Restored) - Gatherer - Magic: The Gathering < 1362442223 204933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1362442239 634518 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the situation, however? < 1362442248 714430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders what kind of strange setup makes Arc_Koen unable to do the tranfer himself < 1362442261 426587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*transfer < 1362442269 50942 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the whole point is to compare what I see with what others see < 1362442280 277418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362442299 239977 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there was a spell targeted at the token which he did not want to resolve < 1362442314 379440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, yes, that would work. < 1362442330 525284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url Category:Self-modifying < 1362442333 94834 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/Category%3ASelf-modifying < 1362442355 759788 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :error: Category:Self-modifying@f368e91512e6: not found in manifest < 1362442358 483957 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that kinds of ideas. < 1362442363 461040 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm yes definitely different from what I see :p < 1362442364 119600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1362442373 730023 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat "Category:Self-modifying" < 1362442375 315248 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: "Category:Self-modifying": No such file or directory < 1362442383 287048 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat 'Category:Self-modifying' < 1362442384 501254 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: Category:Self-modifying: No such file or directory < 1362442393 632665 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ho hum. < 1362442404 967995 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`undo 2374 < 1362442409 468425 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file Category:Self-modifying < 1362442414 285415 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :try now :P < 1362442416 529902 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I deletedetedeted it < 1362442431 747218 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you! < 1362442441 610161 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nooooo < 1362442441 827978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "that card" but the first part doesn't say it has to be a card. < 1362442445 621557 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat 'Category:Self-modifying' < 1362442447 422060 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ \ \ Category:Self-modifying - Esolang \ \ \ \ ", line 1, in \ File "", line 1, in \ TypeError: cannot concatenate 'str' and 'int' objects < 1362443085 66183 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'r=[4,7,8,9,2,13,6]; print " ".join(chr(3) + str(c) + ":-)" for c in r)' < 1362443086 693690 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4:-) 7:-) 8:-) 9:-) 2:-) 13:-) 6:-) < 1362443101 217804 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :13 isn't very indigo, unfortunately < 1362443176 481997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's actually rainbow order :P < 1362443203 112046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rainwords What does this do then < 1362443221 692183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is a problem yes < 1362443234 492017 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362443279 995774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/rainwords < 1362443281 488931 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/python \ import random; w=[l.split() for l in open("/dev/stdin").read().split("\n")]; r=[4,7,8,9,2,13,6]; print "\n".join((lambda s: " ".join(chr(3) + str(r[(i+s)%len(r)]) + l[i] for i in range(len(l))))(random.randrange(0, len(r))) for l in w) < 1362443294 581164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1362443302 216667 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1362443313 864441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo I think I remember the issue | rainwords < 1362443315 750808 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4I 7think 8I 9remember 2the 13issue < 1362443318 365196 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of confused as to how regular expressions are a single production rule (in the formal grammar sense) < 1362443328 949708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run yes | rainwords < 1362443340 530933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hum maybe not ideal < 1362443343 517444 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kallisti_: ac*b generates ab, acb, accb, acccb, etc < 1362443349 84689 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/rainwords", line 2, in \ import random; w=[l.split() for l in open("/dev/stdin").read().split("\n")]; r=[4,7,8,9,2,13,6]; print "\n".join((lambda s: " ".join(chr(3) + str(r[(i+s)%len(r)]) + l[i] for i in range(len(l))))(random.randrange(0, len(r))) for l in w) \ MemoryError < 1362443353 475148 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no I understand that < 1362443356 82265 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what do you think this is, haskell?? < 1362443364 398209 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take your infinite streams and begone < 1362443366 402110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run yes | head -50 | rainwords < 1362443368 497338 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​13y \ 7y \ 4y \ 6y \ 4y \ 13y \ 8y \ 2y \ 13y \ 8y \ 4y \ 7y \ 6y \ 13y \ 8y \ 2y \ 7y \ 4y \ 7y \ 6y \ 9y \ 6y \ 6y \ 7y \ 4y \ 6y \ 13y \ 9y \ 9y \ 13y \ 4y \ 8y \ 2y \ 6y \ 2y \ 13y \ 2y \ 8y \ 9y \ 7y \ 4y \ 7y \ 6y \ 9y \ 9y \ 9y \ 2y \ 2y \ 13y \ 7y < 1362443381 924301 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait maybe I misunderstand what a regular grammar is < 1362443384 168572 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to Wikipedia < 1362443385 35016 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1362443386 41909 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!! < 1362443399 880995 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just alternation and kleene star < 1362443407 625253 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and concatenation obv < 1362443414 192322 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :regular expressions? yes < 1362443420 762882 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to find the link between regular expressions and regular grammars < 1362443421 673125 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1362443447 354483 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I think I misread < 1362443448 279605 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In regular grammars, the left hand side is again only a single nonterminal symbol, but now the right-hand side is also restricted. The right side may be the empty string, or a single terminal symbol, or a single terminal symbol followed by a nonterminal symbol, but nothing else." < 1362443466 99389 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a regular grammar can have multiple production rules right? < 1362443473 137397 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362443476 748319 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1362443484 989451 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I misread and thought that it meant the grammar had only one production rule < 1362443488 987431 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seemed... uh, strange. < 1362443491 186491 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/6/e/56e5e8888abe83d0f4f731bde2611d72.png wikipedia's example < 1362443500 69934 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'putStr $ replicate 100 "_,.-~^~-.,"' | rainwords < 1362443500 708694 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for a+b+ in regex syntax) < 1362443504 681923 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ :1:24: \ Couldn't match expected type `Char' with actual type `[Char]' \ In the second argument of `replicate', namely `"_,.-~^~-.,"' \ In the second argument of `($)', namely \ `replicate 100 "_,.-~^~-.,"' \ In the expression: putStr $ replicate 100 "_,.-~^~-.," < 1362443507 12290 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that didn't work < 1362443513 424540 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_grammar#Regular_grammars that. < 1362443527 245920 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: concat/join < 1362443541 268466 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'putStr $ take 999 $ cycle "_,.-~^~-.,"' | colorize < 1362443546 232300 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​10_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.- < 1362443557 585138 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ghc -e 'putStr $ take 200 $ cycle "_,.-~^~-.,"' | colorize < 1362443562 316575 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,02_,.-10~05^~-.,_,.-02~^~-.,04_11,.-~^~07-.,10_,.-~^~-07.,_,.-~08^~-.,_,.-~^~-03.04,_,.-~^~-.,14_,07.03-~05^~-09.,_,.-~^~-12.,_,07.-~^~12-.,_,.-06~12^~03-.,_,.-~12^~-.03,_,.-~^~-.,_08,13.-07~^~-.10,_,.-~^~10-.,_,.-09~^~-.,_,11.-~^~-.,_13,.-10~^~-.,10 < 1362443570 947570 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay, I simply misread what a regular grammar is. < 1362443600 331528 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print("_,.-~^~-.," * 100)" | colorize < 1362443601 803704 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file < 1362443602 997879 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run yes ":D " | head -50 | tr -d '\n' | rainwords < 1362443604 984314 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​4:D 7:D 8:D 9:D 2:D 13:D 6:D 4:D 7:D 8:D 9:D 2:D 13:D 6:D 4:D 7:D 8:D 9:D 2:D 13:D 6:D 4:D 7:D 8:D 9:D 2:D 13:D 6:D 4:D 7:D 8:D 9:D 2:D 13:D 6:D 4:D 7:D 8:D 9:D 2:D 13:D 6:D 4:D 7:D 8:D 9:D 2:D 13:D 6:D 4:D < 1362443607 19012 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print("_,.-~^~-.," * 100)"' | colorize < 1362443609 573323 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ File "", line 1 \ print("_,.-~^~-.," * 100)" \ ^ \ SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal \ Traceback (most recent call last): \ File "/hackenv/bin/colorize", line 4, in \ w=raw_input() \ EOFError: EOF when reading a line < 1362443612 931475 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so this concept for an esolang I have < 1362443613 914244 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuugh < 1362443618 805315 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is essentially a context-sensitive grammar < 1362443624 483008 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c 'print("_,.-~^~-.," * 100)' | colorize < 1362443625 490547 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where the production rules are operating on themselves < 1362443626 858039 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​02_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.-~^~-.,_,.- < 1362443631 933088 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever. < 1362443665 648812 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`tcc < 1362443666 987117 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: tcc: not found < 1362443674 283140 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1362443675 193294 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gcc < 1362443676 665474 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc: no input files < 1362443683 971959 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`icc < 1362443685 509029 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: icc: not found < 1362443690 160625 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`clang < 1362443691 904540 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: clang: not found < 1362443699 499666 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fasm < 1362443700 930606 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: fasm: not found < 1362443707 793872 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`nasm < 1362443709 199274 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: nasm: not found < 1362443712 996223 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`g++ < 1362443714 569830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :g++: no input files < 1362443717 929794 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`as < 1362443735 406112 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm is there an esolang based on linker command language < 1362443739 165053 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362443739 377334 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362443739 526837 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362443768 994813 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that seems redundant < 1362443780 562727 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362443781 247709 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there an esolang that randomly picks other esolangs to try running your code in? < 1362443800 599352 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: colorize doesn't add colors beyond hackego's output limit of 350 bytes < 1362443808 851414 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boooooring < 1362443818 39058 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362443839 152011 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362443851 876700 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :13Ra4in8bo9ws 11a12ll 13t4he 8w9ay 11a12cr13os4s 8#e9so11te12ri13c < 1362443910 706768 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fabulous. < 1362444001 656341 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is coppro even on anymore? < 1362444031 174320 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362444406 5830 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362444697 675172 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a way in Linux to access the text mode VRAM without root? < 1362444749 498487 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, can you capture the text mode VRAM of a different virtual console in this way? < 1362444975 273589 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chmod /dev/mem and then you can :) < 1362444993 764755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't want to access all of the memory though. < 1362445113 342447 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you put ACLs on /dev/mem < 1362445128 390543 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there could be a legit use for this" < 1362445131 308204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write a setuid helper for reading parts of /dev/mem < 1362445150 608787 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :over a UNIX socket with SCM_CREDS < 1362445158 598719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad ideas itt < 1362445174 151174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would be the addresses of such screens anyways (also based on the numbers of rows and columns)? < 1362445191 119387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno, you may have to source-dive the linux kernel < 1362445206 106013 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source-dive the linux documentation < 1362445225 545419 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362445225 697630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are they the standard PC text mode formats? < 1362445274 691516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking to have the program which writes the text VRAM of one virtual console to a file, with a header specifying the width/height. < 1362445297 81938 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing this is MZM layer mode. < 1362445390 572758 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people may want to have a ANSI screenshot of Linux screens, so you could then use MZM->ANSI to do that. < 1362445410 53115 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the linux console support 256 colors < 1362445434 665021 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I know it is PC text mode. < 1362445673 830390 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it used the framebuffer < 1362445692 571579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can do either < 1362445694 531954 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it supports that too < 1362445737 970565 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you would need the framebuffer or other things though, if you are running Linux in the computer which is not PC. < 1362445876 414638 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would need the framebuffer unless you enjoy running htop in 80x25 or whatever the VGA text mode is < 1362445951 101505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i enjoy it very much < 1362445953 912264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so easy < 1362446082 10766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The default text mode is 80x25, but it seems to be able to run in various other sizes too. < 1362446413 25473 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrmph. Still no new OOTS < 1362446542 146711 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :oots is the worst campaign ever < 1362446553 828611 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who runs a campaign for ten years < 1362446666 288192 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long do *you* run a champagne^Wcampaign? < 1362446700 554699 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nobody lets me run a campaign < 1362446709 917710 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why < 1362446842 557760 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362446848 171361 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362446850 256223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you must learn. < 1362447634 238390 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362447728 594187 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In May 2006, Intel announced that 80386 production would stop at the end of September 2007." < 1362448114 302944 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362449209 31208 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362450320 451440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Dungeons&Dragons game, some people forced us to give them much of our things; much of which is not important but some are, so we need to get it back. < 1362450352 34064 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems they don't understand magic very well, so if we can somehow convince them that the amulet of anti-magic is actually a amulet of illusions? (note: My character is currently invisible) < 1362450426 177653 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362450477 305051 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or if I find the single one, alone, which has the item we need, then I could safely stun them even though becoming visible, if I can surprise them. < 1362450526 952415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do think of the possibility that they are just trying to make us think they don't know magic and actually they do, but I find this not likely at this time. Nevertheless, I must consider all of the possibilities. < 1362450799 802379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362450818 522122 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@78.245.243.132 QUIT :Quit: leaving as well < 1362451736 852063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362451753 120758 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1362451757 281435 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1362451851 622236 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I missed something else? < 1362451874 969109 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, ty < 1362451884 778119 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I take it you got your cache issues sorted out? < 1362451900 864371 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i just went to the right number directly < 1362452886 748069 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362452893 881538 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man < 1362452902 387625 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 65816 is so impossible to pipeline < 1362452908 847259 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like it's designed against it < 1362453186 859554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle m (x -> y) -> x -> m y < 1362453187 330444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<*>) :: Applicative f => f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1362453187 515594 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad ap :: Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b < 1362453187 665023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<**>) :: Applicative f => f a -> f (a -> b) -> f b < 1362453203 902854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (??) < 1362453205 305686 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1362453228 981111 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle m (x -> m y) -> x -> m y < 1362453229 459333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (=<<) :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1362453229 608989 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad (=<<) :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1362453229 609262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (>>=) :: Monad m => m a -> (a -> m b) -> m b < 1362453473 324331 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoerjan < 1362454366 460725 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362455142 294864 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is a card because once in exile, it is just a card < 1362456298 296694 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cwcfcmyuyqjhgaei QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1362456426 193863 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-basnbegnhnozjpgh QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362456476 131729 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362456480 481677 :ssue!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kuciruqimmyjevfl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362456491 568306 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362456802 907264 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1362456959 497146 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gyovegjbaaaxztwv JOIN :#esoteric < 1362457241 245581 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mygofknqubafohxi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362458054 520263 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1362458071 841762 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1362458311 319508 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362460080 77597 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I thought it is a token? < 1362461871 294323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362462427 763565 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbhwzxgtsutagegl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362462741 545238 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362462913 191230 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362463317 41637 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1362464415 353760 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362465085 799707 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: tokens cannot be returned to the battlefield once exiled < 1362465092 285426 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that sentence wouldn't apply to them anyway < 1362465455 220766 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes it is what I thought might be the case < 1362465495 848745 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do they cease to exist due to lack of initial state? How do the new rules work with this? < 1362465623 537972 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362465649 138595 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 : got any interest in synthesizer design? < 1362465677 449029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Some. < 1362466098 363028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a Pokemon card puzzle which involves retreating more than three times? What is the maximum number of times you can make it have? There is win in 1, win in 2, win in 3, even as much as win in thirty, can there be made a win in sixty? < 1362466194 302581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or make one involving a not 100% win but maximized chances? < 1362466507 278413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: What was your ask of interest in synthesizer design? < 1362466682 76159 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing a synth atm < 1362466686 639364 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vst < 1362466738 157625 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a token, once it has left the battlefield, cannot again change zones < 1362466748 263911 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it ceases to exist the next time state-based actions are performed < 1362466750 788187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hhh38 < 1362466902 451006 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: Yes, those are the rules I thought but there are many things I dislike about the Magic: the Gathering rules that I think are very klugy; I don't like the rule of removing auras that are also creatures, for example, as well as other things. But, OK, now at least I can know what those rules are. < 1362466924 17531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: What synth are you writing? < 1362466933 229888 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :physical model < 1362467028 344372 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always use Csound for this kinds of stuff, it has physical models. But what specific physical model are you making? Maybe it is one I don't have. < 1362467103 833419 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to have a couple "generic" models < 1362467112 936053 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one for wind instruments < 1362467126 770502 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and one for plucked strings with a variant for percussion < 1362467144 493984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I already have things like that. < 1362467159 616396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, I suppose yours might be useful for using with VST, I guess. < 1362467187 742336 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but the ones in STK suck < 1362467205 433677 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno about the csound ones but they're probably not very good < 1362467236 664233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, OK, then. Are you able to license the files under the LGPL v2.1 and later version? < 1362467249 137359 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what files < 1362467344 406101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The files to implement the physical model; in case it works better than the one in Csound then I can port it to Csound. < 1362467370 716131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually Csound has a few generic models for wind instruments and plucked strings; one of the plucked string models is of a good quality. < 1362467490 505625 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Csound uses the LGPL v2.1 license, so my own plugins to Csound use the same license so that they could include it in the main program if they wanted to. < 1362467549 120250 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that imply that the other plucked string models are bad < 1362467624 576190 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not necessarily; it could also be that I configured them incorrectly or have bias due to other reasons, still, it can be useful for certain sounds nevertheless. < 1362467658 409734 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean they do not seem to be as good as the specific one that I found to be much better than the others. < 1362467692 559575 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe they just sound bad < 1362467700 923634 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like most physical modeling stuff < 1362467745 162003 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1362467836 956184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still, one of them is not bad, specifically "wgpluck" seems good. < 1362468137 474657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have gotten some special effects by using percussion sounds with waveguides to make a new sound < 1362468649 577790 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks it up < 1362468664 772911 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't look like it has inharmonicity < 1362468729 623849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be correct. < 1362469029 182615 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362469205 512236 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does a mark-and-sweep gc know which "objects are still known"? < 1362469208 878302 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e < 1362469236 157624 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :root set? < 1362469245 531128 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :void foo() { char* b =alloc .. char* a= alloc... bar(b); ...} void bar(b) { doStuff } < 1362469256 129737 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if my gc kicks in while b is currently in doStuff < 1362469266 815187 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does he know that he should not delete b and a yet? < 1362469287 642132 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how does he know he can delete them after foo < 1362469289 71884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean a conservative GC? < 1362469298 934932 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you'd add the stack frame to the root set? < 1362469304 885717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll just scan the stack/registers/etc. for pointers. < 1362469335 471086 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah but since I'm compiling to C there might be other stuff on the stack too < 1362469348 919278 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could pass stuff on an other stack structure < 1362469359 16101 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then just scan the stack < 1362469362 589902 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd be the easiest thing < 1362469390 445616 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of compiling to bar(b); I would compile to push(someStack,b); bar(); < 1362469397 24022 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and bar pops arguments from someStack < 1362469404 423371 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm not sure if there's not better way < 1362469449 606700 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what "other stuff" is there on the stack? < 1362469461 152299 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C stuff. < 1362469471 229840 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, return addresses? < 1362469484 124498 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i doubt it's going to be a problem to have return addresses in the root set < 1362469487 437449 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but that would not be the problem. < 1362469493 95481 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :since that's predictable. < 1362469615 494676 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do inline C stuff i.e you can write a function in my language and embed C in it < 1362469645 514725 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1362469651 660772 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's unpredictable. < 1362469667 651093 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :if somebody allocates something on the stack there < 1362469677 772873 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1362469681 336230 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :{{ int c; }} < 1362469710 347970 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the problem? The root set is what's not being collected, you can be greedy. < 1362469721 895429 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And like shachaf said it's gonna be conservative. < 1362469729 723395 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :What root set? < 1362469748 460585 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The root set. The set of things you tell mark and sweep not to collect. < 1362469785 972137 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. the "objects still known". < 1362469791 143978 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362469796 948095 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how do I know which objects I know. < 1362469820 4128 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything pointed to by the stack, and pointed to by that, etc < 1362469829 701994 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :The stack is not in my control. < 1362469848 235163 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :course not. < 1362469875 831101 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I use my own stack < 1362469889 180418 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362469942 992924 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't scan the c stack for pointers < 1362469950 736510 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would I even know what's a pointer and what not < 1362469971 31299 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and how would I know which are mine and which are not my pointers < 1362469986 830651 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't. You assume everything is a pointer. it's okay to overestimate. < 1362470019 669014 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Ic. < 1362470057 120765 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that would require that all pointers are aligned < 1362470057 797795 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want an exact GC you can use tags or do something funny like put all integers in some particular page, but, you're < 1362470060 798221 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : doing C. < 1362470073 337457 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :4byte ptr, 1byte char , 4byte ptr < 1362470083 225383 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- that'd mess things up big time if I do a ptr sweep < 1362470124 450561 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the stack would usually be word-aligned anyway... < 1362470141 638476 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't need to be < 1362470154 426616 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it required by most ABIs...? < 1362470173 269716 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... actually isn't it generally required that data types are aligned to their natural alignment? < 1362470177 87264 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, on the stack or not < 1362470186 309838 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unaligned data is invalid C, I think < 1362470196 495504 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362470235 949909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The natural alignment for all my data types is Chaotic Evil. < 1362470240 34030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's what I thought. But if tha'ts not the case, maybe you could store stack alloc data along with compiled functions. < 1362470251 655803 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*giggle* < 1362470256 626464 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah normally everything should be aligned < 1362470262 529088 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the alignment for all my data types is neutral good < 1362470264 33754 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except long double < 1362470267 787338 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is chaotic neutral < 1362470274 706155 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since most processors slap on massive alignment penalties on you if you don't < 1362470274 960848 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually maybe you could do that anyway and then you'd really know what's a pointer... hm < 1362470285 736961 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362470291 683458 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the lastest ridiculous intel chips but that's a detail < 1362470302 608949 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most? I think most non-x86 just outright segfaults ^^; < 1362470309 923559 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. miss alignment decreases performance < 1362470330 497183 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman: normally you don't even want to allow misalignment on a cpu < 1362470338 32823 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a kernal trap counts as decreased performance.... XD < 1362470338 182421 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1362470340 483249 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :complexifies the design like mad < 1362470341 315440 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :But still, you can do that. < 1362470345 670462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM just gets rotated values for misaligned loads, doesn't it? < 1362470351 510831 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only old arms < 1362470362 2586 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :newer arms have like 8 cycle penalty < 1362470373 77620 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you still have to use uanligned load instructions explicitly < 1362470374 798369 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise it kabooms < 1362470385 475322 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you do that? i thought int x; char y; int z; would put three words on the stack (assuming a int is a word) < 1362470402 278704 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1362470413 118070 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362470414 190983 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1362470418 24233 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can still mess things up by pushing manually a single byte to the stack < 1362470419 393626 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how different compilers align the stack < 1362470430 313635 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do that in C? < 1362470431 294658 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but often you need 8 or even 16 byte alignment < 1362470443 978336 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can even do that in asm < 1362470448 886227 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no "push byte" instruction in x86 <.< < 1362470451 838411 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just, why would you even /want/ to do that. < 1362470464 64123 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: aren't there a zillion size prefixes? < 1362470465 272491 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: there is < 1362470465 581202 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean of course you could like, manually move a byte to the stack and decrement it < 1362470474 468250 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUSH reg16 ; o16 50+r [8086] < 1362470475 137828 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUSH reg32 ; o32 50+r [386] < 1362470478 984881 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could just manually overwrite sp < 1362470484 977694 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The operand-size attribute of the instruction determines whether the stack pointer is decremented by 2 or 4: this means that segment register pushes in BITS 32 mode will push 4 bytes on the stack, of which the upper two are undefined. If you need to override that, you can use an o16 or o32 prefix. " < 1362470498 571609 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that wasn't x86 < 1362470506 258526 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no o8 prefix, so, I don't think push even supports it. which I guess makes sense because x86 never had <16-bit pointers < 1362470524 961830 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking maybe if you're going to be this cruel to your computer maybe the GC should just break their knees. < 1362470529 472542 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1362470532 142503 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but x86 is horrible so I was half expecting a push byte instruction :D < 1362470543 843659 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly even a 1-byte opcode for doing it < 1362470546 108698 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a "push imm8", but it pushes with the current bitness (or operand prefix bitness) < 1362470559 243129 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's just a nice short shortcut for pushing small numbers like zeroes < 1362470563 704875 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :without using an imm32 <.< < 1362470574 749219 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1362470584 649574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's also no push reg32 in long mode, while you can still do a push reg16 with the o16 prefix. < 1362470591 272542 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no point except in function call stuff < 1362470617 710638 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what stack instructions are for anyways, I guess < 1362470623 712913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So you can push 2 bytes, or 8, but not 4.) < 1362470632 410610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: huh, did they do that to free up opcode space? < 1362470642 648995 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's really weird < 1362470651 775198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The manual doesn't give reasons, just facts. :p < 1362470660 885211 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :True XD < 1362470661 887402 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~arch design~ < 1362470674 321351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still love some of the really silly incongruencies < 1362470692 605716 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the fact that nop is "xchg eax, eax" in 32-bit mode < 1362470696 300629 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in 64-bit mode, they're not the same thing < 1362470706 741518 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because xchg eax, eax isn't a nop < 1362470712 580923 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because you done have to do the horrible pipeline design that comes with that :D < 1362470720 204745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Possibly they did it so that you don't need a REX.W prefix for every PUSH, though? < 1362470740 87121 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: couldn't they make it default to 64-bit and 32-bit requires the address size prefix? < 1362470741 307117 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't there one of the RISCs where mov is really OR rd, rs, rs < 1362470746 356651 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember there were some instructions that did that? < 1362470764 54034 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like OR rd, rs, rzero < 1362470764 702291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I don't remember any examples, but I guess that's possible. < 1362470768 266133 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: isn't mov a pseudo for add ,,#0 on some ARM? < 1362470777 715110 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah possibly < 1362470788 513799 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, isn't using 32-bit memory operands in long mode, doesn't that require a prefix byte? < 1362470796 635270 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. mov eax, [ebx] < 1362470804 528157 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x6A < 1362470823 45976 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :PUSH : byte operand, immediate < 1362470836 192876 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's the push imm8 < 1362470842 234460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: Pushes a sign-extended value of either 2 or 4 bytes. < 1362470848 289674 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it actually decrements esp by 2, 4, or 8 though >.> < 1362470849 825016 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora explained imm8 up a ways. < 1362470865 550931 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and: so it is one-byte, huh) < 1362470881 246281 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one actually feels like a reasonable one byte opcode < 1362470899 373434 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least, maybe more reasonable than pusha <.< < 1362470970 854446 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I was sort of assuming you couldn't write that at all, but apparently you can. < 1362470997 517762 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the push imm8? < 1362471036 867587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: No, mov eax, [ebx] in long mode. (And it does seem to result in what you said, a REX prefix with REX.W = 0.) < 1362471039 895114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1362471051 471757 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the place I actually remember that coming up was when I was reading about x32 < 1362471063 114515 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x32? < 1362471065 808512 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they wanted to use 32-bit pointers in long mode, but it requires adding a prefix to every single instruction < 1362471084 100480 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so instead you have to use 64-bit pointers where the top half is zero < 1362471090 155720 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius < 1362471100 996484 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except apparently gcc has trouble with that or something? I don't know much of it <_> < 1362471109 525247 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x32 is this new abi thing that's, like. x86_64 without the 64-bit < 1362471115 347866 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :32-bit x86_64 < 1362471122 404428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't that defeat the purpose of x32? < 1362471136 664985 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the pointers are still stored as 32-bit < 1362471138 382280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Or actually there doesn't seem to be a REX prefix at all, I mislooked. < 1362471152 512085 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, when you address, you do [rax] instead of [eax] and just make sure the top is zero < 1362471168 272380 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: There's an old-fashioned 67h address-size override prefix instead. < 1362471171 174329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh. < 1362471209 320339 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, in 32-bit, 67h would mean 16-bit addressing, like mov ax, [bx]? < 1362471216 467768 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in 64-bit it corresponds to mov eax, [ebx]? < 1362471217 834372 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I imagine x86 I imagine a Swiss Family Robinson style treehouse, with parts continually bursting into flame underneath as they build higher and higher on the broken remnants of what they slapped together last week. < 1362471228 316795 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a wonderful image XD < 1362471239 740697 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: So it seems: http://sprunge.us/CdVR < 1362471259 782838 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I'm guessing you can't do mov ax, [bx] in 64-bit < 1362471292 284473 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1362471341 209526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. < 1362471469 376807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a table on the (8) possible combinations of REX.W, 66h and 67h, and the resulting effective operand and address sizes, in 64-bit mode. < 1362471521 885009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get (16,32), (16,64), (32,32), (32,64), (64,32) and (64,64), but no others. < 1362471554 212145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's some redundancy, because 66h is ignored if REX.W is present.) < 1362471567 917963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1362471606 107147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 16-bit address size in long mode doesn't sound very likely to be useful. < 1362471774 626470 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362471780 213882 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362471898 595449 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I figure < 1362471907 474270 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then again a 32-bit one probably wasn't anticipated to be very useful either... < 1362472055 40601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's slightly interesting is that ndisasm -b 32 / -b 64 says that 66 67 8B 07 is mov ax, [bx] in 32-bit mode, but mov ax, [edi] in 64-bit mode. < 1362472099 676042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently an address size of 16 bits doesn't mean just the width, but also that it's the whole 16-bit deal, with different (more limited) ModRM encodings. < 1362472165 35063 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Time for a lunch.) < 1362472290 459250 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1362472377 309151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't even know 16-bit had more limitations on r/m... < 1362472378 167345 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION reads < 1362472439 967377 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Hm < 1362472448 295982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1362472448 515010 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mod field gives the length of the displacement field: 0 means no displacement, 1 means one byte, and 2 means two bytes. < 1362472451 824263 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : The r/m field encodes the combination of registers to be added to the displacement to give the accessed address: 0 means BX+SI, 1 means BX+DI, 2 means BP+SI, 3 means BP+DI, 4 means SI only, 5 means DI only, 6 means BP only, and 7 means BX only. < 1362472456 278655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, there is a special case: < 1362472457 622717 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :My 80186 reference says it's a byte push < 1362472458 779349 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : If mod is 0 and r/m is 6, the effective address encoded is not [BP] as the above rules would suggest, but instead [disp16]: the displacement field is present and is two bytes long, and no registers are added to the displacement. " < 1362472463 273293 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. 32-bit addressing has spoiled me <.< < 1362472465 497896 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they retroactively changed it < 1362472471 735373 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway < 1362472508 388704 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm probably deploying an internal stack for compiled functions < 1362472531 490235 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and keep a list of all allocated things < 1362472547 901436 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :then check that list against the pointers on the stack < 1362472610 444893 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362472620 613951 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362472629 784731 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362472809 659999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The special case means [bp] is encoded as [bp+0] and is longer than [bx]. (Of course it has the different default segment too.) < 1362473135 949032 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362474016 222448 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362474296 117663 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: bye < 1362474330 283215 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362474360 253277 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362474413 749073 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362475218 73779 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362475269 318086 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After Hello World! every language needs a Quine, that's what I'm working on right now! < 1362475288 898424 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Working with a new language is hard, but fun < 1362475300 805070 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight < 1362475312 897175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are you and what are you doing here < 1362475330 250412 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf that's not how you welcome someone < 1362475336 210318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362475354 113523 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi..? I'm Roy and I chat about esoteric languages < 1362475379 532236 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo who are you and what are you doing here | colorize < 1362475380 904207 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aight! < 1362475381 618072 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0407wh13o06 a07r09e y11o13u 02a05n03d02 w11ha08t04 11a13r06e y03o08u 06do06i09ng05 13h02e02re < 1362475382 840153 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm monqy and shachaf chats about me < 1362475444 699358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: sometimes i chat to you instead < 1362475456 99613 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, this is true < 1362475458 179275 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've made a new brainfuck derivative (yes, sorry, I know) < 1362475495 825622 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am now playing around with quines, using my languages self-modifying/reflection abilities < 1362475505 294423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: So is Haskell + RankNTypes + (forall p. p Char -> p Bool) sound? < 1362475513 32377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Disregarding recursion/undefined/etc.) < 1362475517 71930 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My first try resulted in a Quine which prints the result backwards, close... but wrong < 1362475569 684047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: I think it might be. :-( < 1362475573 189412 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that looks pretty yikes..... < 1362475628 520489 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME AgonyLang < 1362475630 738452 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AGONYLANG: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1362475650 488960 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgonyLang: so is it the brainfuck that has the self-modifying/reflection abilities or is this two languages < 1362475683 133136 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. is it a good brainfuck derivative alt. if it's good why is it a brainfuck derivative “set it free„ < 1362475735 320974 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agony is brainfuck backwards compatible and has a few added instructions, the code lives in the same space as the memory, but in a special way, everything can be executed making it fully self-modifying < 1362475797 882031 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other bf self-modifying languages can read the code as characters, but that is silly because it can't execute that < 1362475806 44039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You named the language after yourself? < 1362475844 677996 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No... < 1362475874 856961 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is named Agony because it is agonizing making bf programs which self-modify < 1362476120 952149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: What's the magic power GADTs give you over rank2types? < 1362476214 693666 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i had to guess it'd be the part where you have gadts < 1362476351 237141 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow good guess < 1362476659 100389 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362476915 623676 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362477510 627106 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN 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111730 :AgonyLang!52cc0dce@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.204.13.206 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362487022 600785 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362487897 287371 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362487917 742510 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362488339 649375 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362488694 598108 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362488774 233745 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1362489178 605915 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362489622 691208 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go see if Worlds works in WINE < 1362489685 82350 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really a fan of installing obsolete Java < 1362490310 22200 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover WorldsPlayer works great on WINE! < 1362490310 209827 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362490321 186839 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Phantom_Hoover Just install Java 6 on WINE first. < 1362490321 336153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362490355 628072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "great" is a bit of an exaggeration < 1362490370 798804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And.. it crashed < 1362490545 112199 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should upgrade WINE < 1362490660 143445 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362490708 894616 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, Wine protects you from all those crazy Windows bugs. < 1362490748 457616 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362491749 235512 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362491750 861970 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362492270 419547 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362492456 891026 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362493479 499948 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362493783 603308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362493885 591963 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362495472 669210 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1362495496 256076 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :libreoffice 4! finally compiled, packaged, installed and running! < 1362495502 310045 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362496150 274034 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :freeing a list is more awkward than I thought :) < 1362496158 900762 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list might be in itself < 1362496469 126196 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1362496477 88172 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/ukNYo5hq < 1362496482 887453 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :^- where is my list o_O < 1362496522 781211 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm. < 1362496551 621445 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot to append < 1362498108 711772 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362498991 32696 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362499593 871505 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362502122 212090 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362504848 870658 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@187.65.192.73 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362504985 207940 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362505774 207198 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: FTL? You don’t need a keyboard at all, although having one is more convenient. I don’t remember any of the keys i have been using being → or End. < 1362505776 57013 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362505781 63437 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 29/32 < 1362505783 95648 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.90625 < 1362505898 600868 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362505918 750736 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0.095550537109375 - 29/32 < 1362505920 978261 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.810699462890625 < 1362505927 697843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: OK. < 1362506242 487590 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362506608 403011 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 13 < 1362506610 620673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show GHC.Show.ShowS) < 1362506610 770669 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M1... < 1362506622 816152 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t showIntAtBase < 1362506624 589536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral a, Show a) => a -> (Int -> Char) -> a -> ShowS < 1362506627 377695 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 13 "" < 1362506629 476386 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1101" < 1362506675 92635 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362506752 77834 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 4216 "" < 1362506754 63010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "1000001111000" < 1362506818 178869 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "1000001111000" < 1362506820 2654 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13 < 1362507009 172501 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362507146 353701 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 256 chr 79600447942433 "" < 1362507148 426225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hello!" < 1362507385 829147 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/haskell/comments/19ntvz/school_of_haskell_goes_public_learning_and/c8pxxd0 I think he might be right < 1362507436 689871 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 3 [] < 1362507438 682049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "11" < 1362507442 57285 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 3 [[]] < 1362507443 993599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1362507444 143429 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type... < 1362507520 259321 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showDoubleAtBase 2 intToDigit 0.0643310546875 "" < 1362507521 981174 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `showDoubleAtBase' < 1362507534 31088 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame:( < 1362507551 228771 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could give a nice infinite list < 1362508108 593364 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would learn more Haskell, if it wasn't for installing libraries being really annoying < 1362508125 887974 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais NICK :AsianMall < 1362508234 985829 :AsianMall!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais NICK :sivoais < 1362509132 17259 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-22.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362509154 588358 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362509566 373665 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: cabal install something not working right? < 1362509638 441015 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I never manage to install a package without problems < 1362509646 628443 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing it's because of me using an old version < 1362509699 963132 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty stupid, because I like to try to do some works on programs, but I can never start because I don't have the required packages installed, and installing them is pretty annoying < 1362509775 65749 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I organically built up a list of essential packages I like and can't live without. when borking my cabal setup, I just rm -rf everything, then type this long cabal update && cabal install ... line. < 1362509789 972653 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for the useful packages, their deps will kinda work. most of the time. < 1362509856 783414 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So suppose I wanted to do that < 1362509900 767519 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would I do it? < 1362509935 284915 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rm -rf .cabal/ .ghc/ && cabal update && cabal install whatever you like + what you're currently using. < 1362509935 434571 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would I remove? Where are my haskell packages being stored anyway? < 1362509950 623822 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^-- everything's stored into those two folders. < 1362509952 462850 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but! < 1362509956 537403 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, that would work? That would surprise me < 1362509959 790781 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it works. < 1362509967 518691 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trust me, I'm an engineer. < 1362509983 209279 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1362509997 871675 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, currently the problem looks like: dependencies < 1362510013 615000 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can be cured by a good ol' rm -rf. < 1362510028 885430 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362510031 743338 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :drastic, nasty, sudden, powerful, and leaves a nice minty perfume. < 1362510058 634133 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could try this I guess < 1362510073 239923 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much to lose < 1362510078 508007 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not working right now < 1362510093 554788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you see, what I like to always have at hand is: cabal-dev, hlint, attoparsec, aeson, and probably hmatrix and pandoc too. < 1362510101 110392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about lens < 1362510116 345360 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that too, but I haven't grokked them yet, so no default lens install on my machine. < 1362510124 990231 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for pure metasepia abuse, tho) < 1362510169 374886 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! note that cabal-dev won't work with modern cabal installations. mine comes from a hand tweak direct from the git repo. < 1362510182 376958 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362510190 944574 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so probably not cabal dev? < 1362510230 636189 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not. < 1362510238 776764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a fixed version got released < 1362510249 76665 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference between parsec and attoparsec? < 1362510257 626801 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :atto = attomic? < 1362510265 209568 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm probably not < 1362510276 383048 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kinda not the same, quite. < 1362510282 966491 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ato would be more likely in that case) < 1362510287 1495 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So haskell has like < 1362510295 61702 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D5B3.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362510295 684203 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 packages that do the exact same thing? < 1362510301 161410 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1362510304 826316 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1362510306 170770 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1362510308 20236 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaargh < 1362510310 268030 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :attoparsec has automagic backtracking. < 1362510322 607741 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm lazy, and can't be arsed to wrap my parsers with 'try'. < 1362510324 658163 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so why don't they add that to parsec? < 1362510336 57492 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno. not my problem, really :p < 1362510374 864784 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362510399 92863 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :alright, it shall be done < 1362510594 760347 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily < 1362510596 488973 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't work < 1362510630 55977 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :It failed to configure "mtl-2.1.2" < 1362510634 117712 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah? < 1362510636 762743 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me check. < 1362510646 323028 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried to install mtl, as I seem to need it) < 1362510680 271044 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need mtl for what? < 1362510692 299678 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, this has something to do with the failure package. I've asked help for this before in #haskell, and it worked, but then I kept getting problems with other stuff < 1362510704 280011 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :for compiling mroman's burlesque < 1362510735 268101 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think debian has an mtl package though, could use that I guess < 1362510749 807527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: http://www.vex.net/~trebla/haskell/sicp.xhtml < 1362510830 180981 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, that doesn't make things work though < 1362510864 74228 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1362510866 589956 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"web-encodings" is going to fail installing too btw, as well as "statistics" I think < 1362510889 484261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think if you read the whole page I linked you would be helped in terms of making things work. < 1362510896 527036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., you would probably not try to use Debian's mtl package. < 1362510915 470189 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, debian's mtl package actually works < 1362510920 521690 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I can install it easily < 1362510929 854015 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo works < 1362510955 295419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you should probably read the page I linked before saying it doesn't help you < 1362510958 262374 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you clearly haven't... < 1362511008 448731 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362511020 969544 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362511045 703025 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I've glanced over it < 1362511052 549608 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :The information is definitely useful, and I will read it < 1362511064 622897 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'm sure it won't solve this problem in specific < 1362511085 319581 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362511108 507434 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1362511117 923478 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362511248 261660 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I'm running cabal install hlint aeson attoparsec primes hmatrix lens comonad pandoc hakyll gamma diagrams gloss mueval logict < 1362511259 78323 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtl is probably a dependency of something in that. < 1362511346 348391 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your cabal version? < 1362511374 980495 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm using .8, and it tells me to update < 1362511377 916396 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I can't update < 1362511395 448446 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I should use cabal for that, but cabal doesn't wokr < 1362511478 434298 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabal-install version 1.16.0.2 \ using version 1.16.0 of the Cabal library < 1362511567 411780 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362511609 24613 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, so that's probably the problem < 1362511666 453150 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, elliott, I read the webpage, and it didn't fix my problem < 1362511731 481115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this point I don't care < 1362511766 893150 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :You never care, I know. Although that really doesn't matter to me either. You wanted me to read it, I read it. Didn't help me. < 1362511797 395425 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright so I shouldn't use the debian packages < 1362511815 284443 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently not doing that, so it shouldn't be the problem < 1362511876 909998 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm trying to update once again. I hope it works this time. < 1362511902 336673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you read the page then it will almost certainly give enough information to understand your dependency problem and will hence help you solve that problem in a way other than blind guesswork. if your problem isn't solved then I suspect it is simply because you are not paying very much attention to the page, given that you didn't even read it before dismissing it at first < 1362511969 826971 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I do not see anything in the text that points to my particular setup as the cause of this problem < 1362512008 90912 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've cleaned all my formerly installed packages, so it's like I'm starting from the beginning again < 1362512118 90668 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I honestly believe that if I can update to a newer version of cabal, that this will work < 1362512160 25542 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, is it normal that cabal install cabal-install also installs a bunch of packages (eg it just successfully installed mtl) < 1362512172 747710 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is that because it depends on those itself? < 1362512210 236260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :updating Cabal can often a bad idea. updating cabal-install is something else entirely that may not be a bad idea < 1362512242 798039 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry, I meant cabal-install < 1362512247 168459 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in particular, if you do "cabal install cabal-install", then you already have cabal-install installed, possibly from your distro's package manager < 1362512251 606177 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and upgrading it locally may be a bad idea < 1362512269 123222 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, cabal told me to update cabal-install < 1362512271 222923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using cabal-install from package manager is fine: it is just a program, incidentally written in Haskell, not something you'll actually link to. i.e. you can imagine it being written in Python instead) < 1362512320 528884 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok I managed to update cabal-install it seems < 1362512402 410623 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can grab a look at what you have installed in .cabal/bin and .cabal/lib. < 1362512468 188201 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like I only have cabal in bin < 1362512485 288351 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in lib I have mtl, cabal, parsec, http, network and transformers < 1362512491 288534 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good start! < 1362512492 214904 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :which seemed to be all the problematic packages < 1362512538 762716 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I run cabal update, it tells me again that "there is a new version of cabal-install available" < 1362512562 151509 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it told me that cabal-install had been successfully installed before < 1362512627 300113 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :background noise. < 1362512679 111271 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :noise is usually ignored, so let's do just that < 1362512927 495442 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362512937 988626 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :failure required transformers == 2 < 1362512944 766031 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I have 3 < 1362512960 608262 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't transformers backwards compatible? < 1362512969 171737 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually. < 1362512996 965447 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just had to tweak web-encodings. its constrains on bytestring, failure and directory were too restrictive. < 1362513010 355772 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(besides, I have transformers 0.3.0.0 now) < 1362513011 74375 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, someone told me to do that earlier too < 1362513083 923583 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabal unpack web-encodings right, < 1362513155 879421 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it runs. < 1362513168 976529 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I now have burlesque on my machine. < 1362513224 660112 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, to install the unpacked package, do I run cabal install in that directory? < 1362513233 252785 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that works < 1362513247 794319 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cabal configure && cabal build && cabal install. < 1362513268 292642 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362513275 596881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no need for the first two < 1362513288 415431 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more feng shui that way. < 1362513341 849600 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does this all feel worse than having to compile gcc manually? < 1362513406 577523 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for the firs time, of course) < 1362513676 489654 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pandoc isn't installing < 1362513686 474268 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(circular dependency) < 1362513705 143145 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really need it currently though < 1362513880 597130 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362514654 181321 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362514658 513059 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362514736 200317 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362514767 99292 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362515124 49775 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1362515698 813822 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-22.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362515961 244727 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362516777 108342 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362516801 37204 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi again < 1362516889 141589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, http://bradconte.com/files/misc/HackerNewsParodyThread/ < 1362517182 112271 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, I've finished my Quine! < 1362517222 786971 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1362517268 777301 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362517281 509161 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After Hello World! and a Quine.... what is the next thing every language needs to have? :) < 1362517308 528440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362517337 380650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you manage 99 bottles of beer too, you will... have still proved nothing interesting about your language < 1362517347 225017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See HQ9+ < 1362517368 784798 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know, not trying to prove anything < 1362517401 448600 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After 99 bottles of beer, see if you can increment the accumulator < 1362517581 700112 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1362518000 87533 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362518022 851361 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgonyLang: brainfuck interpreter! < 1362518055 237682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote When I imagine x86 I imagine a Swiss Family Robinson style treehouse, with parts continually bursting into flame underneath as they build higher and higher on the broken remnants of what they slapped together last week. < 1362518061 582278 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :979) When I imagine x86 I imagine a Swiss Family Robinson style treehouse, with parts continually bursting into flame underneath as they build higher and higher on the broken remnants of what they slapped together last week. < 1362518061 731653 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prime number sieve!~ < 1362518121 194084 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're ambitious, a self interpreter < 1362518166 719036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do fractran, it's like prime number sieve except TC < 1362518174 222349 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a language that makes it easy to write a compiler for that language < 1362518179 396007 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_ It might not be that hard, the language is self modifying, to it only needs to parse the input into runtime < 1362518182 720967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, within the language < 1362518213 801680 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp_ Nice idea, I'll try a self-interpreter < 1362518220 60893 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362518294 101086 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Hi..? I'm Roy and I chat about esoteric languages <-- so do we have a 12 step program yet? < 1362518399 162664 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1362518402 754582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : monqy: So is Haskell + RankNTypes + (forall p. p Char -> p Bool) sound? < 1362518408 527331 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362518431 994183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm _is_ there any p such that you cannot make a function of type p Char -> p Bool ? < 1362518440 951391 :AgonyLang!53802257@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.128.34.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My life has never been manageable, so for starters I'll admit my life is unmanageble < 1362518453 249174 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in report haskell + rankntypes, presumably) < 1362518464 689735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as it's probably easy with type families and stuff) < 1362518478 756236 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362518479 860428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :AgonyLang: you should meet a certain itidus20 < 1362518501 704988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: (Is Char) < 1362518504 664887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: p = IORef < 1362518509 374005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a bit circular, though. :-) < 1362518514 446267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IORef isn't in the report. < 1362518519 333551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um are you sure < 1362518531 189993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it has stableptr and stuff < 1362518533 758631 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough < 1362518535 759401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it is, although the FFI is < 1362518541 4366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it holds for all ADTs, anyway < 1362518546 382125 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1362518550 649442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, the FFI and IORef don't really count. < 1362518551 214828 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the Char -> Bool thing? < 1362518572 762557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: For any type made up of just sums/product/exponents you can make it. < 1362518582 279989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Is Char is obviously something you need type equality for, i.e. type families or gadts afaiu < 1362518614 109852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. i think that's essentially a variation of parametricity? < 1362518620 536768 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D5B3.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0/20130215130331] < 1362518645 531419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you can express Is with rank-2 < 1362518649 761060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :leibniz-style < 1362518654 787825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type Is a b = forall p. p a -> p b < 1362518660 947368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I mean Leibniz Is. < 1362518661 97140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hence (forall p. p Char -> p Bool) is Is Char Bool) < 1362518675 821066 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Char Bool? < 1362518678 861359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1362518707 51747 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help, accessing C++ code in Haskell is scary < 1362518711 164729 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, type families do get you Is Char Bool -> Void < 1362518718 239567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so basically it's a question of whether rankntypes are consistent with Char being Bool < 1362518719 764545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GADTs sort of do, but only because of a quirk of GHC's implementation < 1362518737 928406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, the term you write that exhibits Void there has an omitted pattern match that GHC agrees with you is impossible < 1362518739 495446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think it's not really a quirk. < 1362518757 835260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, it's very much on purpose and along the lines of the intended use of GADTs. < 1362518787 81476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu people complain whenever ghc _doesn't_ realize a gadt pattern is unreachable < 1362518804 843374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but elliott doesn't like to go with the flow. < 1362518822 725388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true. < 1362518851 838921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't see why GADTs = type equality + existential quantification + an extra axiom. < 1362518860 15019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sure, I'll agree it's convenient. < 1362518872 647992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stops you adding, e.g. univalence. So it's definitely not harmless. < 1362518879 347798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What is the axiom? < 1362518887 94032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It's not unreachable if you have extra equalities, like Char = Bool < 1362518893 60423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ConcreteTypeA =/= ConcreteTypeB < 1362518909 861796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1362518912 502357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you phrase that axiom? < 1362518914 726864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note that if you make the term polymorphic in the types A and B (i.e. they're no longer concrete), the warning reappears.) < 1362518922 281598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not sure it's a well-founded axiom. < 1362518926 478205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is also a strike against it. < 1362518972 699230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um without it type class lookup isn't sound either :P < 1362518993 151014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type equality is the thing that breaks with generalized newtype deriving, right? < 1362518995 968223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything becomes overlapping < 1362518999 317548 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: afaik < 1362519004 204082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-u < 1362519063 795325 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362519071 214909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the context is generalised newtype deriving. < 1362519082 976867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I think it's a misleading context. < 1362519094 751056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Right, typeclasses are the thing being ignored. < 1362519096 88313 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Arc_Koen < 1362519101 719424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :But all you lose is nice properties about typeclasses, I think. < 1362519106 69107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. instance selection becomes ambiguous. < 1362519128 727106 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362519157 800719 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello Taneb < 1362519158 17312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1362519162 993293 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1362519163 159565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb said 9h 23m 29s ago: Just because I created it doesn't mean I do. < 1362519175 998822 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(context is Fueue and knowing much about it) < 1362519181 62152 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then that makes the two of us < 1362519190 520813 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, I know context < 1362519210 732188 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though elliott is trying to mislead me < 1362519232 990102 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1362519235 185943 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1362519239 186393 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same applies to that < 1362519245 276306 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? context < 1362519246 644593 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :context? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1362519253 934438 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362519276 17391 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn context is a word with many meanings, depending on where it is used. < 1362519280 106772 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1362519282 313052 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should've thought of that *before* inventing D-modules, Taneb. < 1362519291 350015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also what happened to being bold and daring? < 1362519302 886657 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are bold < 1362519303 738260 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, it got boring after a while < 1362519311 334214 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and we dare recognize our ignorance < 1362519324 233963 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dald and boring? < 1362519328 338209 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you have that saying in english? "have the courage to flee" < 1362519329 300552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :dald isn't even a word < 1362519330 715819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn dald < 1362519331 672994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "dald". < 1362519335 836892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc.dald.net < 1362519339 613709 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck dald < 1362519340 30603 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :D'ald was a Klingon general in the early 25th century. < 1362519349 892961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1362519354 993496 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :25th century seems very late to me < 1362519374 494710 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like 150 years after Duck Dodgers < 1362520007 610397 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362520096 575309 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362520109 845998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Taneb: i thought i'd written up solutions to most of what makes Fueue harder than Underload in the "Fueue tips" and "Truth-machine" sections. of course, there aren't that many others able to program underload either... < 1362520357 662070 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: goodnight < 1362520388 625261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should stop making people flee, i guess < 1362520441 183654 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which way have you become a people fleeer? < 1362520485 182588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Taneb obviously fled my attempt to encourage him to try programming Fueue. < 1362520542 982208 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder why < 1362520562 978274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheer horror, i assume < 1362520575 14130 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of the monster he created < 1362520599 142989 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing that a little bit of soy sauce, garlic and ginger can't help. < 1362520607 183067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a name like Nathan van Doom, how can you do otherwise. < 1362520611 99463 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've made me hungry again < 1362520637 219741 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nathan van Doom... is that a mix between Sinistro and Dr Doom? < 1362520654 716190 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know sinistro and barely dr doom < 1362520797 436635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Int -> Double -> (Int -> Char) -> String -> String < 1362520798 445571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1362521393 252378 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest if I run cabal update, it tells me again that "there is a new version of cabal-install available" <-- i have got the same on windows. i suspect it's just an effect of cabal doing no actual registration of non-library packages (i.e. it cannot actually _know_ you haven't already installed the latest version. although giving the message anyhow does sound remarkably stupid so maybe it has a way to try to check, which fail < 1362521393 442886 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362521428 951396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest which fails...) < 1362521429 113676 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362521453 320890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my suspicion: his version is old. < 1362521454 654265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is counting on elliott to tell him if he's horribly wrong. < 1362521457 281484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he is running an old version. < 1362521467 350357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has maybe installed a new cabal-install with his cabal-install. if he did, he is not running it < 1362521474 166803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. it is further down or completely absent from the $PATH) < 1362521489 647063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have a way to check, yes < 1362521497 896261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a separate message < 1362521500 158719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i just mentioned istr having the same issue of being told there's a new version just after installing it < 1362521503 596943 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, cabal-install knows its own version, so checking if there's a newer one on Hackage is not hard :P < 1362521512 484675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not part of a general "these packages are outdated" thing afaik < 1362521521 168820 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i guess. < 1362521540 32850 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest As Expected, elliott disagrees with me. :) < 1362521540 204724 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362522237 78807 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362522300 60440 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362522404 448974 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.176 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362522458 545136 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362523702 881334 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362523984 900986 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362524126 886595 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362524157 851539 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362524385 947879 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362524450 22210 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did I think dots were optional in the user portion of gmail addresses? < 1362524472 4503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are. < 1362524472 708204 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrm. < 1362524505 977855 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see what's going on < 1362524526 593234 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is getting in but just not being directed to my primary account < 1362524529 471297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362524720 190128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi Phantom_Hoover. WorldsPlayer somewhat works on WINE < 1362525167 478782 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PART :#esoteric < 1362525348 482588 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329b26.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362525666 60616 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362526326 867301 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362526421 524674 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I go to Penn Station every day I'll eat more. < 1362526665 771233 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-156.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362526824 864995 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-156.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362526881 169817 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362526971 911144 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-156.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362526982 961849 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-156.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362527132 298961 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1362527135 215171 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362527376 202053 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362528268 911204 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362528621 302990 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish haskell would allow you to write something like 3 < length xs and have it terminate as soon as the answer is known. < 1362528652 732218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does < 1362528667 242748 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 < length [1..] < 1362528668 225396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/length/genericLength/ and define the type of lazy conatural numbers < 1362528671 443181 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1362528674 105193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :however you should not be using length at all generally < 1362528706 869271 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would lazy conatural numbers be as efficient? < 1362528742 46149 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let voided n = replicate n () < 1362528744 561849 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1362528748 186302 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> voided 3 < void [1..] < 1362528750 654523 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : True < 1362528782 68614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :length with lazy nats isn't necessarily bad. < 1362528798 980351 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ord instance for lists < 1362528809 937779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :genericTake (genericLength xs) ys is clearer than zipWith const xs ys, is it not? < 1362528820 509816 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362528822 334968 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362528860 855194 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Maybe if you used an alternate prelude < 1362529437 449066 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1362529543 572245 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362529678 612464 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362530360 401744 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1362530560 273853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362530685 218308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362531027 486679 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362531404 139980 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does haskell let you do eager evaluation ever < 1362531423 528523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1362531425 662063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on what that means < 1362531452 453013 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362532147 89810 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362532197 906922 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362532389 345089 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1362532756 945579 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362534140 482911 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362535283 629202 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362535810 33677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If anyone didn't know this, I nostalgia quite easily. < 1362535819 994762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Listening to Enya is a pretty good way to trigger that. < 1362536099 659695 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yes, there might be people who are unaware of my proclivities of falling into nostaliga. Bike, kmc and shachaf are fairly new here) < 1362536123 455578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god they're filled in now < 1362536132 33096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need to tell Bike that kmc and I are fairly new here. < 1362536139 44766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure everyone knows that. < 1362536144 628686 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs shachaf < 1362536152 443518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no dont do it....... < 1362536160 768106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im doing it < 1362536173 565720 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22268 < 1362536205 320396 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362536206 77966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cale was in #esoteric? < 1362536228 466482 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :He was? < 1362536235 246718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how shachaf has technically been here longer than PH < 1362536244 323329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Sgeo < 1362536251 574664 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.28554 < 1362536259 925072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-01-04.txt:17:01:10: elliott: Dwarf Fortress? Minecraft? What about your liberty? < 1362536262 930249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-01-04.txt:17:02:39: elliott: Dwarf Fortress doesn't provide the source code. Minecraft doesn't even provide the binary without payment. < 1362536272 944436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i can't tell if this was a joke or not < 1362536283 785175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I said "What about your liberty" it was probably a joke. < 1362536294 869695 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362536321 57777 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs nostalgia < 1362536328 476518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-05-26.txt:07:35:35: oerjan: What ar eyou doing in this channel instead of #haskell? :-) < 1362536337 770017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's OK, we get it. < 1362536343 675938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can stop quoting oldshachaf. < 1362536344 939644 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.32092 < 1362536347 646023 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry. I can only read at most 300 of these lines. < 1362536349 609162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it 350 < 1362536359 42620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually oldshachaf is/was younger than I am?) < 1362536366 955068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it should be youngshachaf.) < 1362536394 566570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-08-13.txt:02:18:16: shachaf: Shut up my number keys are broken. < 1362536396 564468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember this. < 1362536421 963679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't read logs, elliott. < 1362536424 101332 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not polite. < 1362536428 560783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-30.txt:22:19:12: I have search-software-related nostalgia now < 1362536449 757261 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: my offer to delete logs for money stands!!! < 1362536450 70435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs ehird < 1362536458 635093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You can't delete #esoteric logs for money. < 1362536458 795370 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9922 < 1362536465 11898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not usefully. < 1362536470 364205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you really going to waste your time reading 300 dumb things i said in the past as revenge < 1362536476 999310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1362536518 862369 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362536576 14972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am... I having nostalgia for my past bouts of nostalgia??? < 1362536585 355066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You would be the only one. < 1362536870 508962 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i used to have bouts of nostalgia < 1362536888 776330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, I didn't choose my college for nostalgic purposes! ... I didn't really choose my college at all < 1362536917 898624 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, there totally was a college that I had nostalgic feelings for before I entered college < 1362536922 806386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo thats the saddest thing youve ever said < 1362537071 980551 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'r ehaving nostalgia for having nostalgia fora school you never actually enrolled in? < 1362537196 60658 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No recursive nostalgia. < 1362537223 155892 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the college in question had a summer day camp that I went to for 3 years < 1362537356 768837 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362537925 210277 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome mad < 1362537927 776192 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362538033 988477 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1362538075 360854 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to see if I can pipeline my staggered-SIMD risc cpu design :D (and produce something ressembling verilog) < 1362538141 748414 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need some non-insane ways of dealing with memory aliasing faults and split branch faults < 1362538385 505664 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, horrible CPUs like the P2 can do it because nothing you do is real, everything you do is speculative branch predicted register renamed reordered < 1362538396 344106 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :horrible/awesome :D < 1362538429 704930 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you have a loop < 1362538436 749196 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu core 1 is on iteration 1 < 1362538439 881825 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu core 2 is on iteration 2 < 1362538442 783198 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu core 3 is on iteration 3 < 1362538446 314714 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu core 4 is on iteration 4 < 1362538447 293893 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc.. < 1362538467 597357 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpu core 1 takes a branch < 1362538470 687789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :o, u r just madbr < 1362538481 197271 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, say, cpu core 4 doesn't take the branch < 1362538496 326353 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hindu cpu < 1362538534 270073 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's only 1 scheduler (on core 1), core 4 must stop processing < 1362538549 794485 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you present that to the programmer < 1362538555 849659 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that makes any sense at all < 1362538656 264347 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, his loop bails midway < 1362538671 51695 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's either some jump that makes no sense and happens randomly < 1362538708 657909 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or core 4 goes into dormant state and then you never know how many cores will be still active, so you don't know what register file to feedback values from < 1362539007 683939 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dealing with memory aliasing isn't beeter < 1362539050 942424 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, you have to lock your write destination addresses before you read anything in the loop (well, anything that could alias) < 1362539110 92384 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then if a read lands on one of these you know there's an alias and you can bail... but then once again you have a random jump out of the blue that you have to recover from < 1362539128 492283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Is today the ninth day of the olist sequence? < 1362539143 458048 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I believe so. < 1362539153 769228 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming that there is an update today, haven't seen one yet < 1362539168 496686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if there's no update then there'll be a nine-day sequence some other time? < 1362539175 744453 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1362539192 148177 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :871-878 is the current days-in-a-row sequence < 1362539247 241870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What's the problem with vampires anyway? Why don't people like them? < 1362539260 766054 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're for girls < 1362539273 817285 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume they're Evil. < 1362539280 845507 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Why? < 1362539283 351449 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although people like Belkar just fine. < 1362539287 542355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't play D&D, sorry. < 1362539374 273640 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :They always rubbed me wrong < 1362539410 477644 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.supermegacomics.com/images/386.gif < 1362539526 781530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is supermegacomics where you got your style < 1362539532 514530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did supermegacomics get it from you < 1362539541 385299 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think either of those are true < 1362539576 202304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: by the law of excluded middle one of them has to be true < 1362539598 597835 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think thats how that works shachaf..................................... < 1362539651 406085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, those constructivists < 1362539924 360152 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the opcode dest, src ordering of operands in x86 and ARM assembly some kind of ergativity < 1362540012 669177 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=302 < 1362540042 527843 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ergativity...? < 1362540138 146972 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a linguistics term < 1362540194 647543 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i doubt assembler designers know linguistics above a superficial level < 1362540207 438894 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it refers to languages where the subjects of intransitive verbs have the same case as objects of transitive verbs < 1362540218 442079 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're essentially always in passive voice < 1362540223 794557 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i thought you meant ergodic theory for some stupid reason < 1362540303 560938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=317 < 1362540378 473321 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would mean asm would have, like, a VSO order? < 1362540400 184435 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362540409 308142 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C would probably be SVO < 1362540414 847472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :linguistics makes me sad < 1362540420 743549 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that linguistics make me sad? < 1362540421 854088 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess ARM would be VSOO < 1362540422 6483 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :forth would be SOV of course < 1362540428 877250 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :linguistics is cool, but programming languages are nothing like natural languages usually. < 1362540433 166817 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 would be weird some some instructions use their destination as input, while some don't < 1362540444 110378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SVO would be some OO language thing. < 1362540452 406610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas that isn't true in ARM... well except for weird things like vtrn < 1362540499 644668 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't arm has same order for opcodes as intel? < 1362540526 553515 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aside from having 3 argument opcodes < 1362540550 716073 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of having only 2 argument opcodes that are really 3 arguments due to the aggressive register renaming < 1362540599 12482 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but like, it has op dst, src1, src2 < 1362540604 486709 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 has op dst, src < 1362540615 142895 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so lots of x86 instructions use both dst and src as input < 1362540624 470141 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but on arm dst is almost never an input I think? < 1362540691 5110 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :arm as op dst, src < 1362540708 109540 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's just a shortcut for op dst, src1=dst, src2 < 1362540711 847409 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362540724 145892 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it assembles to the 3 operand operation < 1362540937 989433 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think stores are reversed tho < 1362540990 848718 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(on ARM, not on x86 since they can't because for some reason there are read-modify versions of the opcodes) < 1362541050 563498 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 has op dst, src or else op %src, %dst ;P < 1362541078 258244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intel syntax is weird. < 1362541082 817646 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmm < 1362541096 590590 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc assembly syntax doesn't count < 1362541100 149498 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible to read < 1362541103 145149 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is intel syntax CFGable? could you use a regular expression < 1362541116 418792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is pretty bad < 1362541119 329998 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could it be the link anti-chomkyists are looking for < 1362541136 216958 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :x86 does have a few three-operand instructions by now as well < 1362541144 159983 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, all of AVX XD < 1362541150 27316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also some where one is implicitly fixed (like edx:eax for mul/div) < 1362541152 165915 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus BMI1/2 < 1362541155 136993 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :after 30 years of resistance from intel yes < 1362541158 178653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a 3-operand addition instruction! < 1362541160 193869 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and imul reg,reg,imm if an immediate counts < 1362541171 718240 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you mean LEA? ;) < 1362541173 193849 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and FMA4, vpperm are 4-op because AMD < 1362541175 426975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yep. < 1362541183 655719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not just addition! reg + {1,2,4}*reg + imm < 1362541193 351702 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good instruction, that < 1362541198 705163 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some implicit 3-op ones like pblendvb that use hardcoded xmm0 <.< < 1362541222 194703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember correctly "x86 has a 3-operand addition instruction" was a factor in the design of Salsa20. < 1362541235 275292 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still can't understand how the fuck you can remember "pblendvb" < 1362541246 911729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :packed, blend, variable, bytes < 1362541262 832549 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's impossible < 1362541265 164624 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1362541266 811215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :«I chose “xor a rotated sum” over “add a rotated xor” for simple performance reasons: the x86 architecture has a three-operand addition (LEA) but not a three-operand xor.» < 1362541286 774085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how much of a difference that actually makes. < 1362541288 786002 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme see the most registers I can use in one instruction... < 1362541312 86287 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :vpperm xmm0, xmm1, xmm2, [rax+rbx*8+0xDEADBEEF] < 1362541317 777990 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 regs, I think, I don't think one can beat that XD < 1362541337 908999 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1362541357 985517 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have both a displacement immediate and a displacement register? < 1362541371 885181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1362541392 940260 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was either/or < 1362541404 810034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: pusha < 1362541406 180716 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wins < 1362541424 719603 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ... that is TECHNICALLY TRUE < 1362541425 364549 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you win < 1362541426 503514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's 5 GP regs but also %ds! < 1362541431 574858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and %cs arguably < 1362541434 953519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Others < 1362541449 455224 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it still loses to ARM :D < 1362541449 941017 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :arguably < 1362541452 299733 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? < 1362541454 249873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :%cr3 arguably < 1362541458 365855 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to LDRM and stuff like VLDM < 1362541461 932315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm just being silly < 1362541466 399866 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though. vzeroupper affects -16- registers. < 1362541469 443929 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyahahahaha < 1362541469 899855 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!?!????!??!?????? < 1362541489 276962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1362541497 420894 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should pretend to learn lojban again, it had syntax vaguely analogous to that of programming languages < 1362541514 480444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't do that! < 1362541519 403530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Tell Bike not to do it. < 1362541550 281795 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. xsave wins even more XD < 1362541556 287831 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xsave/xrstor < 1362541601 487813 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As long as he's only pretending, it's okay. < 1362541615 636440 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering there aren't speakers i doubt i could learn even if i tried < 1362541618 245183 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it saves x87 FPU state, MMX state, SSE state, MXCSR... < 1362541666 302785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a cheap plastic imitation of pusha! < 1362541678 70274 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's at least one fluent speaker. < 1362541694 246581 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :No native speakers, unless you count Robin Lee Powell's twin daughters. < 1362541697 191205 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sad < 1362541706 383190 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Frances and Kelly. I don't know whether or not their last name is Powell. < 1362541746 266010 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have three parents, one of whom (RLP) has been speaking to them exclusively in Lojban. I think they're now between 1 and 2 years old. < 1362541770 500704 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun family < 1362541773 739284 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of a cruel experiment :/ < 1362541789 159120 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: *shrug* They still have the usual number of English-speaking parents. < 1362541794 329991 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, just one. < 1362541795 820370 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, misread < 1362541795 969993 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda remember hearing about one like that but for... I think it was klingon < 1362541809 694660 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking they were -only- speaking lojban <.< < 1362541820 608337 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's amazing how fast linguistics experiments run into language experiments. if you'd told me the study of language got a lot of its weirder data from mentally ill children i wouldn't have believed you < 1362541827 900499 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, they realized that Klingon just isn't usable as a day-to-day language. < 1362541844 2734 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1362541849 59676 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having one parent talk in a language probably won't let you learn it too well, anyhow < 1362541857 916119 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: missing vocabulary? < 1362541858 947910 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :klingon's probably missing a lot of vocabulary? < 1362541859 97437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently not. < 1362541861 673720 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :mad: yup. < 1362541871 736227 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like i'm reverse psychic < 1362541874 709920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :☝ ☝ ☝ PUN ALERT < 1362541897 833775 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've heard that yeah, a kid just won't really learn a language if the only person they know who speaks it is one parent. < 1362541924 865668 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see also, second generation immigrant children < 1362542032 9863 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda wonder if klingon is "compact" or not, too < 1362542038 912431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compact? < 1362542047 559196 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :If every open cover of it has a finite subcover. < 1362542056 673332 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1362542063 83230 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1362542076 712934 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: as in has low-ish number of syllables for the more common things you might want to say < 1362542105 352128 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Like a natural language. < 1362542130 472251 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362542145 295160 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, like, good huffman coding I guess? < 1362542157 96667 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mhm < 1362542207 110352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huff man < 1362542210 726938 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i don't think i've actually read anything rigorous about information theory and linguistics. minimum description length something something bayes < 1362542258 17921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel\ combined\ manual.pdf is so awkward to use. :-( < 1362542337 405444 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must be gigantic < 1362542398 615961 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a big fancy hypertext? < 1362542583 746649 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a nice and simple assembly language that is nevertheless very much usable? < 1362542591 749919 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS, perhaps, or something simpler. < 1362542606 911283 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whose specification is freely available online, and short. < 1362542609 393755 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, RISC instruction sets < 1362542611 143734 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM < 1362542611 483010 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS is the usual for pedagogy < 1362542614 198588 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like 50 pages or something. < 1362542622 989185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sgeo: What's the problem with vampires anyway? Why don't people like them? <-- well _i_ like malack... < 1362542693 660560 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vampires are probably going to be out of style before too long < 1362542695 965608 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :overdone < 1362542725 567196 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MIPS is relatively simple but still has some idiosynchracies I guess < 1362542744 986388 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything has idiosyncracies < 1362542761 103434 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like delay slots and the mul/div thing and hazards and whatevers < 1362542767 746393 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what the ARM guy was saying anyways < 1362542773 233796 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all architectures have warts < 1362542796 479529 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also all architectures have hazards :D < 1362542808 889862 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARM seems relatively low on warts, but the instruction set is pretty gargantuan < 1362542811 22836 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, you could use MIX or something. < 1362542813 702935 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope you like bcd < 1362542827 980232 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bcd is a wart all by itself :D < 1362542884 955082 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xactly < 1362542907 640965 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delay slots make sense in the "486" generation < 1362542919 786020 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie before you have branch prediction < 1362542949 327229 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, they make -sense-, they're just. I guess, one extra messy thing to worry about when learning < 1362543001 711467 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would learning a machine without understanding branch prediction be worth it? (I did not learn branch prediction) < 1362543007 133126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a better way to look things up than intel\ combined\ manual.pdf? < 1362543031 863395 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike : you could start with an old arm that doesn't have branch prediction :3 < 1362543081 42800 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.intel.com/content/dam/doc/manual/64-ia-32-architectures-software-developer-instruction-set-reference-manual-325383.pdf this thing has it listed by instruction ? < 1362543098 687724 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :personally I kinda feel http://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/DeveloperTools/nasm/nasmdocb.html is more succinct and easy to read even though it's not quite complete < 1362543104 399412 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about geek32 < 1362543112 451123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just section something-something of the combined manual. < 1362543115 581296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's still a huge PDF. < 1362543134 689010 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahaha hate PDF instruction manuals < 1362543134 934902 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1362543144 694366 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they make PDF instruction manuals anyways < 1362543149 978784 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362543152 306962 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it wrong if I like them :< < 1362543177 762541 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362543202 17300 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you search them < 1362543209 399691 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... alphabetical < 1362543211 139551 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also most pdf readers are laggy < 1362543215 445950 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a table of contents on the left < 1362543231 646601 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use the built in firefox one... <.< < 1362543231 796084 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still worse than just a framed webpage < 1362543277 604121 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION opens the table of contents on the ia32 manual < 1362543283 841123 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gread it's not wide enough < 1362543291 228245 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < it's purrty bad, Firoara < 1362543292 457803 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :half of the text is cutoff and I can't widen it < 1362543295 87727 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why firefox doesn't let me resize it < 1362543297 808559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really annoying < 1362543300 873109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foxit was better < 1362543305 534268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, :< isn't even part of that. < 1362543316 174456 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION maintains that there are only two smiley faces in the world. < 1362543340 172188 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<: < 1362543380 496587 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::33 < pdfs arent purrfect but, waterever, they fit whale into my roetine, even if crappie < 1362543440 538815 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :roetine...? < 1362543462 895099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whale? < 1362543479 767989 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I not allowed to be fefeta :< < 1362543493 75558 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean what is "roetine" a pun on, I get "routine" but < 1362543494 417945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1362543500 601093 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :roe < 1362543501 235764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a fefeta? < 1362543507 318284 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of pasta. < 1362543520 75834 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you get when you combine feferi (fish puns) with nepeta (cat puns) < 1362543547 365414 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :roe no! < 1362543554 734344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you get when you combine them with Scooby Doo puns? < 1362543567 796367 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god < 1362543568 291370 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362543611 805577 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm more seriously http://ref.x86asm.net/coder64-abc.html is a table reference < 1362543628 865479 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362543655 865473 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right... I like how you have to sort opcodes as "useful" or "useless" < 1362543694 366555 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1362543732 750745 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ie the ones that are vaguely risc-like and you can do lots of < 1362543752 519091 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's only a few old instructions like that < 1362543754 763620 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vs the ones that are cisc and have all sorts of penalties and don't pair on the pentium < 1362543758 441007 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, the ones that you should avoid < 1362543770 283600 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all 16bit and 8bit opcodes should be avoided afaik < 1362543777 62030 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except movsx and movzx < 1362543782 635135 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using 8-bit and 16-bit stuff is okay, I think? I do it all the time... < 1362543792 476892 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some exceptions (like, you need to avoid flag merging penalties) < 1362543797 282174 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik the register renaming hates it < 1362543797 894074 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, like, setCC is 8-bit only and you kinda need that < 1362543805 188084 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's bad if you trigger hte merging penalties < 1362543821 532958 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1362543832 468569 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they are mostly useless anyways < 1362543852 27930 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but setCC is 8-bit only :< < 1362543869 696756 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :setCC? < 1362543879 474167 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that something they added on the p2? < 1362543880 256269 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :setc, sete, and so on? < 1362543889 29560 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's since 386 < 1362543895 536909 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PART :#esoteric < 1362543905 80103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :set current continuation? < 1362543908 513191 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :int a = b == c; gets compiled as < 1362543911 745211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I thought getCC was bad! < 1362543913 316038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmp b, c < 1362543918 151119 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sete a < 1362543923 800889 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :first time I see that < 1362543926 796183 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :movzx reg, a < 1362544012 464713 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :set current continuation would just be invoking the continuation. oh nooooo < 1362544152 83773 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, continuations aren't functions. < 1362544172 606100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://okmij.org/ftp/continuations/undelimited.html < 1362544177 340025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that you said they are. < 1362544195 852733 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose scheme's pretending they are is related to them being "procedures" instead < 1362544222 789794 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okies I kinda tried to make a list of the things not to use < 1362544244 701038 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably not perfect but: AAA/AAS/AAM/AAD/DAA/DAS (bcd instructions), BOUND, ENTER, J(E)CXZ, LOOP*, MOVS*, RC*, SCAS*, XLATB < 1362544259 346972 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xlatb sounds exciting. < 1362544265 911239 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it calculated latitude in binary. < 1362544292 686746 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lookup table <.< < 1362544327 643581 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"XLATB adds the value in AL, treated as an unsigned byte, to BX or EBX, and loads the byte from the resulting address (in the segment specified by DS) back into AL. " < 1362544333 954585 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it only existed because the 8086 had like, no addressing modes < 1362544382 472992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to write a fanfiction where Bletchley Park never happened, and computers end up being developed only by the Kriegsmarine. < 1362544392 558327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION so tired :-( < 1362544507 78164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that a fanfiction for... life < 1362544515 728320 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :historical fiction? < 1362544521 852196 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... alternate history fic? < 1362544560 935898 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the seventh book introduces Nepeta Leijon. < 1362544606 183194 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : what about everything that involves segment registers? :D < 1362544630 369109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can even use those in 32-bit protected mode? XD < 1362544677 316129 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually you can < 1362544699 283742 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe not in paged mode tho < 1362544702 540422 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you even set them outside of ring0? < 1362544729 147732 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably adds on a penalty if you set a segment that doesn't start at 0 too < 1362544765 535151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember reading it adds 1 clock cycle latency to loads on recent intel < 1362544781 319411 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not actually that bad, I think fs/gs stuff gets used for things like native client? < 1362544784 860736 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure < 1362544823 887853 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never done anything with it so don't trust me I'm probably totally clueless < 1362544930 904283 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all I remember is that in djgpp (32bit dos version of gcc) you could have it set gs to a segment that overlaps all RAM < 1362544942 548269 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and overwrite everything willy nilly :D < 1362544971 197498 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho you had to use that hack to write to VRAM too < 1362544985 741403 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh geez XD < 1362545050 460400 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :write garbage to 0xa0000 -> yay pretty garbage on the screen :D < 1362545150 249665 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing code for that was pretty fun actually < 1362545350 892026 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that impression of power you get from writing straight to the metal is nice < 1362545373 223317 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than having 213423 layers of abstraction and you never know anything about what's happening < 1362546457 630052 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362546466 17357 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1362546627 866253 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362547078 795916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1362547080 701721 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1362547146 912669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, for your benefit: The new comic is 879 < 1362547205 973415 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362547270 244601 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the website is broken < 1362547289 883969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, it was, briefly < 1362547332 826363 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Also, this is the last of the 9-in-a-row, so there won't be any more until next week while I try to catch up on other work." < 1362547521 95862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the o in olist stands for oerjan < 1362547522 582951 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362547539 3915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also stands for of < 1362547764 660239 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362547786 57460 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know where I can read about Lagrangian Probability Distributions, all the google results seem to be books < 1362547875 926248 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362547960 199582 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that a distribution named after Lagrange or a distribution over Lagrangians or a Lagrangian of probabilities < 1362548019 627625 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea, its what you get when you take some random subsets of random binary trees < 1362548060 568120 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the distribution of sizes is supposed to be a lagrange distribution < 1362548087 361516 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only, I don't know what that is < 1362548214 980218 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never heard of a "Lagrange distrubition" in common use... < 1362548334 367574 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have to go back and bug the professor then < 1362548811 757827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnite < 1362549316 361022 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you do something like SSE branch < 1362549343 115312 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if across your 4 units the condition is false, don't branch < 1362549354 232329 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if across your 4 units the condition is true, branch < 1362549364 763805 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ptest? < 1362549366 35045 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what if it's only true on some of the units? < 1362549373 218511 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm usually you use branchless code and merge < 1362549388 688541 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :say mad have you seen weird-ass computer designs like the connection machine < 1362549395 515606 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that's not really a branch :3 < 1362549403 23760 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's the whole point, you avoid the branch :P < 1362549413 293323 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the absolute worst case, compute both sides and merge < 1362549420 227483 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you can find shortcuts though < 1362549442 647780 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the branch at the end of the loop? :D < 1362549454 244232 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm wait but why would that be per-element < 1362549455 185751 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't turn that one into a conditional mov :D < 1362549466 351309 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand... < 1362549466 856180 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the fallout of my current design < 1362549478 608965 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :branches at the end of loops work the same in simd as normal... < 1362549512 1300 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :classic risc except that instructions are first done on the "head" unit (the one with the scheduler) < 1362549519 6415 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then replicated on the other units < 1362549548 242159 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's a possible avenue for autovectorization < 1362549586 447818 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you have like... a four vector [7,7,6,7] and decrement loop on each number? And what happens when the 6 zeroes first? < 1362549630 673229 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally something like a loop counter will end up being vectorized as something like [11, 10, 9, 8] < 1362549666 42354 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then once it does the decrement it actually loads the 8 from the last unit into the first one and produces [7, 6, 5, 4] < 1362549704 71300 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :suppose you exit the loop when i < 1 < 1362549719 749904 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the next iteration will produce [3, 2, ,1, 0] < 1362549755 933655 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the scheduling is done on the first unit, it will see 3 and try to loop again < 1362549775 6837 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems like a bad use of autovectorization? < 1362549776 771178 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the branch instruction will go the other way 3 cycles later on the 4th unit < 1362549824 685490 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike : if I can solve this and memory aliasing I can probably get llvm to autovectorize almost any loop < 1362549862 739238 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you're vectorizing something that's probably supposed to go one at a time < 1362549898 347755 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362549921 574779 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I have to admit that feedback loops that only have += are a lot easier to deal with < 1362549931 439288 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since for those ones it can probably guess < 1362549937 402148 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if i have for (int i = 0; i < 10; ++i) print(i); i probably want 0 through 10 to print in order. < 1362549955 665291 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1362549973 803872 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick is that you can put the memory writes after the conditional jump < 1362550032 955136 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your loop will escape before any bad data will get printed < 1362550060 691260 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :irl it will probably try to vectorize print(i) actually < 1362550093 789500 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which will probably work for something like print("Hello world this is a long message") < 1362550115 873250 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I want the prints to happen in a certain order. < 1362550122 237948 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not much point in parallelizing that? < 1362550148 435962 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tbh it's not what I'm targetting < 1362550152 272154 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you vectorized a long string print you'd be like, setting up multiple buffers? < 1362550156 843913 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like the data processing loops < 1362550166 895805 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it's not, I'm just trying to see why you'd want to do this for all loops. < 1362550177 633465 :mad!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which probably have guessable conditions like for(int i=0; i bin/makequine && chmod +x bin/makequine < 1362581176 521961 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362581242 892697 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`makequine < 1362581273 950538 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/cat < 1362581742 834672 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1362581892 616158 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-131.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362583849 902970 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362584033 520519 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362584490 501061 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362585690 187240 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone experience with cpp? < 1362585699 770525 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems it decides to ignore my -B option < 1362585881 604493 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362585902 834452 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :-I works. < 1362585941 374687 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cpp --help does not even list that option < 1362585999 337072 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362586043 864985 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1362586044 349146 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1362586250 113247 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: cpp, as in g++? < 1362586317 95143 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :When is -(a ProductLog(-(log(a))/a))/(log(a)) integral? < 1362586323 745419 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(an integer) < 1362586339 228885 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for what values of a, that is) < 1362586934 540904 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspected that a^b = b^a (with a !=b) is true only for 4 and 2 < 1362586953 735097 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not really sure anymore now though < 1362586973 460044 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-131.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362587047 374387 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362587103 767115 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :log(2) / log(4) = 2 / 4, what other integers exists so that log(a) / log (b) = a/b? < 1362587109 279373 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*exist < 1362587309 792400 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I spent some time with a math teacher trying to find others or to prove that they were the only ones < 1362587317 629642 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we didn't get very far < 1362587396 24000 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that was in high school though) < 1362587397 325362 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least not for all combinations of numbers from 2 to 100 < 1362587431 917986 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :b =-(a ProductLog(-(log(a))/a))/(log(a)), but that really doesn't tell me a lot < 1362587437 747473 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I only want integer solutions < 1362587513 657760 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :normally, log(a) / log(a²) = 1/2, right? < 1362587538 805520 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wouldn't say "normally", since that is always true < 1362587551 637943 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, always < 1362587604 945950 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for positive a < 1362587610 428991 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it happens that for 4 and 2, it is true that a² = 2a < 1362587624 732538 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well just for 2) < 1362587641 363753 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1362587675 677638 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I think log (a) / log(b) = a /b is one of the conditions. < 1362587700 168737 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it really is, then it would indeed only be true for 2 < 1362587702 106701 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the conditions? that's equivalent to a^b=b^a < 1362587719 747687 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a != b is there too < 1362587726 721526 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :so one of both conditions < 1362587727 695505 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh rifht < 1362587918 59946 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-131.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362588096 194840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error: In environment < 1362588096 381714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :e : bool = unit < 1362588096 809186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The term "e" has type "bool = unit" while it is expected to have type "bool = unit". < 1362588120 352011 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got DS working on Linux < 1362588154 60956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No sound though :( < 1362588157 819560 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess in the current context DS doesn't mean "demon spawn". < 1362588168 20392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It means Docking Station < 1362588187 918611 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, the context of my statement is wholly disconnected from the context of surrounding chat. < 1362588230 337887 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, even if a != b, and e is booleanly unitty, the context of a silent docking station is disjointed from Linux. < 1362588383 996826 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is with this error < 1362588452 196021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahhhh < 1362588454 499961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a Set/Type error < 1362588551 422147 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume this is not Haskell. < 1362588560 717663 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set/Type sounds like a thing you'd see in a dependently typed language < 1362588664 534632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq < 1362589339 342778 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D5B3.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362589583 646789 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362589924 996071 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think you may have been right, and Anarchy's type system is probably undecidable after all < 1362589980 708342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought so :P < 1362589985 362981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I forget why I thought so!! < 1362589988 823263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm sure it was a good reason < 1362590226 30610 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362590658 455098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I assume this won't stop you, though < 1362590672 358127 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362590687 767879 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just have to work out if being undecidable is actually a problem, and if it is, what restrictions I should put on it to make it decidable < 1362590930 206270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, agda gives even worse error messages than coq < 1362591289 831637 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362591304 937296 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362591305 86949 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362592001 143814 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362592324 969719 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362592410 968395 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362592851 621880 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help I think I've just volunteered to cosplay Emperor Hirohito of Japan < 1362592926 887295 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Easy solution: Start talking about the costume you want to make based on some insane Weeaboo notion of Japan, and they'll kick you out. < 1362592936 758958 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Won't work. < 1362592944 228797 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We've already got a Hitler, Stalin, and Mao < 1362593070 172493 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And no, I'm not going to tell them that Mao only seized power 4 years after Hitler's death < 1362593090 428831 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that REALLY relevant to that sort of cosplay X-D < 1362593130 460674 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362594519 791482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362594678 702929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362595438 83033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362595725 29859 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362595772 508397 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cosplay < 1362595774 644496 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cosplay? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1362595812 149335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastewisdom < 1362595813 809365 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ < 1362595837 844306 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Cosplay is the art of dressing up as people to show off to other people dressed up as people. < 1362595841 756721 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1362595845 476612 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362596080 618933 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? colour < 1362596082 532737 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14C12101103o1106lour is 10a 1202p04henomenon 0810fr07om13 ou0211t050803e11r 1313s1302p04ace 13de0503sign02e13d0511 t101010o140913 d1304ri08v02e 10h12um081206an04i02ty i07110214ns0709a0804ne an0614d 11bri0813ng f13or08th t02he n10ew05 0212age14 of Cth0211u1409l030610hu. < 1362596348 108912 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? color < 1362596350 45140 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​14C12101103o1106lor is 10a 1202p04henomenon 0810fr07om13 ou0211t050803e11r 1313s1302p04ace 13de0503sign02e13d0511 t101010o140913 d1304ri08v02e 10h12um081206an04i02ty i07110214ns0709a0804ne an0614d 11bri0813ng f13or08th t02he n10ew05 0212age14 of Cth0211u1409l030610hu. < 1362596577 80143 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Color is a phenomenon from oter space < 1362596577 229684 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Coulor is the correct spelling. < 1362596581 224434 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1362596595 622258 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362596610 491011 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362596637 981568 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Colour is a phenoumenoun froum ooter space. < 1362596826 125721 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362596871 92072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is in MDW < 1362596900 213991 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My appendages are beginning to tingle from lack of sleep. < 1362596910 531943 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1362596937 747891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I did sleep a bit on the aæeiroplane. < 1362597033 889694 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362597140 488705 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aæei is one of the better vowels I've seen recently < 1362597190 690397 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D5B3.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362597228 363468 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: appendages < 1362597295 834425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :appendages are so easy < 1362597526 871550 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362597691 749402 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362597782 476323 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362597852 467100 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362597855 271106 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does that mean appendages have an identity element? if so, what is it? < 1362597934 930805 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty appendage < 1362598120 329373 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362599324 611432 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. < 1362599541 178251 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362599558 722400 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362599558 871838 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362599607 393390 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362599632 590293 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362600014 930650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362600063 537413 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf. < 1362600085 827300 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: hmm? < 1362600174 961962 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1362600255 855185 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :empty appendages are just that weird!!! < 1362600410 909289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I suspected that a^b = b^a (with a !=b) is true only for 4 and 2 < 1362600428 225647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure i recall that's true for integers < 1362600462 874779 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest I suspected that a^b = b^a (with a !=b) is true only for 4 and 2 <-- pretty sure i recall that's true for integers < 1362600463 24608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362600550 345518 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest Hint: it's equivalent to a^(1/a) = b^(1/b), which is much easier since you are looking at a single function < 1362600550 640745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362600568 58646 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362600651 374138 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, anyone know how offhand to close a Metro program with the touchpad in Windows 8? < 1362600655 913761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we just tried and failed for 10 minutes < 1362600674 425470 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although "click on it then press alt-F4" works, it's not a touchpad-based solution) < 1362600693 155213 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and I said "touchpad" because Windows 8 acts differently depending on whether its pointer input is a touchpad, touchscreen, or mouse < 1362600784 247711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell AnotherTest basically you can graph that function from 0 and up, note it has a single maximum and that means only a finite number of cases that could possibly be the smaller natural number. < 1362600784 576301 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362601139 757626 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, I've heard that that's completely non-obvious < 1362601178 51691 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362601203 915539 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : aæei is one of the better vowels I've seen recently <-- æhæ. < 1362601219 51119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I know < 1362601232 610770 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I tried some non-obvious things too < 1362601248 894022 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried closing hand? < 1362601263 383168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1362601290 78827 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All fingers spread out -> all fingers together < 1362601294 712183 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody here any idea on how to have some esoteric fun on android besides brainfuck? < 1362601369 586920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i just had to fish through some 2009 logs for some code i wanted and i'd like to apologise for being the worst person in the universe then < 1362601411 414828 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: typical touchpads can handle that many contact points? < 1362601419 106403 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea! < 1362601422 666657 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Worth a shot! < 1362601434 363169 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: APOLOGY ACCEPTED < 1362601434 512716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: hmm… a client to something like EgoBot would be easy enough to do < 1362601455 690998 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically, an online lots-of-esolangs interpreter is a god way to have fun < 1362601475 303797 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or sites like anarchy golf ; that supports lots of esolangs < 1362601476 729836 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*good < 1362601503 13529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome myname < 1362601505 404446 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362601552 223782 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was a bit disapointed by the lack of befunge interpreters for android < 1362601582 329696 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2D languages could be kinda fun with a touchscreen :) < 1362601626 89247 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine a command "palette" and a zoomable, interactive program space. < 1362601790 847980 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362602408 454657 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362602658 545597 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362602880 909824 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362603071 311396 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh JOIN :#esoteric < 1362603341 28991 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362603496 280494 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1362603515 337961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Murtaugh < 1362603517 408977 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murtaugh: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362603616 916568 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murtaugh, what brings you to the crazy land of #esoteric < 1362603617 955006 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1362603646 675575 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking for a Conway's game of life channel =P < 1362603668 409120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this phantom hoover's fault < 1362603700 223710 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murtaugh: we don't discuss that much, although this is indeed probably the appropriate channel < 1362603717 837707 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :every now and then I notice Hashlife exists and try to get the channel interested in it < 1362603727 870263 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are your thoughts on faster than light travel < 1362603735 219582 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should implement hashlife. < 1362603791 350264 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I found a new rule, a very interesting one. < 1362603805 2426 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to a coding error, of course < 1362603841 539979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of the cellular automaton rules that are uninteresting are obviously uninteresting < 1362603918 959876 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Б2/S234 < 1362603926 473309 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :*B < 1362603947 217852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murtaugh: I assumed it was just gratuitous Cyrillic :) < 1362603963 420757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life is B3/S23, isn't it? < 1362603973 744511 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot to cycle between keymaps =p < 1362603976 881321 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1362603994 865777 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world needs more gratuitous cyrillic, really < 1362604003 512158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you discovered a spaceship pattern in it yet? < 1362604010 46486 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1362604030 472147 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's normally the first interesting thing to aim for in a 2D cellular automaton < 1362604035 39 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia mentions B34/S34 but not just B3 < 1362604051 623718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also in a 1D automaton, but there you care about the spaceships going at different speeds so that they can collide) < 1362604080 928073 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked everywhere for B2/S234, but there is no info anywhere < 1362604114 202325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably too similar to life < 1362604118 335708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that there are so many interesting automata < 1362604127 759033 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so few people to study them < 1362604159 223692 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :It creates sillicon circuitry-like patterns < 1362604220 166318 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no money backing it up? < 1362604221 321298 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifewiki has b/s234 < 1362604236 372475 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there someone here who specializes in CAs? < 1362604261 148884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey ais523 and I proved something about GoL once < 1362604287 1545 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez, b235678/s378 < 1362604290 938447 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some weird ones < 1362604297 881293 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: we did? < 1362604300 250258 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1362604303 565434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it that really boring result < 1362604371 338308 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me more < 1362604434 704415 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't remember what the result was < 1362604437 66336 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it wasn't intersting < 1362604446 306082 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :=\ < 1362604447 952332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo cared more about it, so he can probably fill you in < 1362604509 978088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _think_ it was that on a finitely bounded (e.g. toroidal) game of life, any pattern with a sufficiently large hole has at least one ancestor that is a Garden of Eden. < 1362604601 172024 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hole? < 1362604608 777326 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :area with no live cells < 1362604650 342422 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :is post-calculus turing-complete? < 1362604665 871770 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is such a thing as post-calculus? < 1362604670 398413 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :post machines are < 1362604675 377973 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: if it's even vaguely academic enough for Post to name it < 1362604683 732404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then yes, unless it was intentionally designed as sub-TC < 1362604686 299172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that < 1362604709 80484 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also also whenever Post comes up i feel the need to mention he only had one arm < 1362604730 554077 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L-systems are Turing-complete, and they were designed to simulate the growth of algae < 1362604737 405394 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write a bot to do it for you and save the trouble < 1362604772 202956 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember more recently trying to think about the proof and worrying that I might have made a mistake < 1362604773 355021 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you think it would be kind of hard to reliably search for mentions of "Post" referring to the person < 1362604774 983047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well algae are probably Turing-complete, if given sufficient (= infinite) space, time, and nutrients < 1362604776 599799 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of like mail < 1362604811 92593 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an individual alga could be turing complete depending what you're testing < 1362604836 74297 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. classical conditioning is subturing but you could probably find something in intracellular signaling < 1362604849 422832 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :Turing-complete algae? < 1362604891 751985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric : even a box of rotten apples on a string is Turing-complete < 1362604901 9259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but basically, pretty much everything is TC unless there's an obvious reason why it isn't < 1362604908 465589 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as such, it's quite hard to construct things on the borderline < 1362604928 519319 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't classically condition algae anyway :'( < 1362604940 620042 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to make a language that is turing complete if and only if the Collatz conjecture is false. < 1362604944 864753 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get very far < 1362604968 137972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure there are trivial ways to do that < 1362604968 637489 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a system that autodetects its own turing completeness, then alter itself to stop being TC. < 1362604980 254039 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#define __ALLOW_UNBOUNDED_LOOPS falsehood_of(collatz) < 1362604990 455995 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murtaugh: http://arxiv.org/abs/1204.1749 good computer < 1362605012 563849 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's only interesting if you can implement the compiler without knowing the truth value of the collatz conjecture < 1362605016 284180 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or interpreter) < 1362605020 113225 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :even 7401 is Turing-complete < 1362605020 897582 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This language is equivalent to Brainfuck if the Collatz conjecture is false, and equivalent to HQ9+ if it is true" < 1362605033 926223 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a system proving that it's turing complete seems like you'd run into godel something < 1362605038 184651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, wow, wasn't expecting a nice way to get rid of the trivialities < 1362605041 246953 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...maybe < 1362605061 553756 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmmmm. Is it possible, in a Turing complete system, to determine whether another system is Turing complete? (Note that the answer for ourself would probably be false, since the /environment/ is TC but we've created a particular system which is possibly not maybe) < 1362605077 820096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i think i still don't have a non-shitty version of that paper showing that generalized collatz is unsolveable < 1362605084 911569 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., if I feed the description of a Turing machine into a (preprogrammed) Turing machine, can it tell me that that's a TC system? < 1362605093 246855 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmm interesting crab computer < 1362605109 946980 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, my first instinct is "no", but my instincts suck < 1362605119 893580 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels very Halting-problem-y X-D < 1362605131 377898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's clearly possible to have a computable system that's capable of proving that some system is equivalent to a Turing machine < 1362605148 393252 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: i'm vaguely thinking there might be a curry-howard thing making that equivalent to proving a system consistent but i dunno < 1362605149 360812 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but that's different < 1362605155 933088 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Oh? < 1362605162 94285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although one of Gödel's theorems shows that any system that can prove /itself/ equivalent to a Turing machine can also prove at least one incorrect statement < 1362605175 387949 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: imagine a system that's almost, but not quite, the same as a Turing machine < 1362605178 22627 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that one < 1362605213 628137 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. my idea's been gödelled. < 1362605216 802523 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric : although one of Gödel's theorems shows that any system that can prove /itself/ equivalent to a Turing machine can also prove at least one incorrect statement // the system may very well NOT be equivalent to a Turing machine, unless you can feed it machines in such a way that it calculates. < 1362605248 213880 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362605261 362130 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1362605270 376054 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What am I supposed to do while imagining this system X-D < 1362605281 402657 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1362605281 851527 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: well, it's very easy to prove equivalent to a Turing machine < 1362605290 195332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need very much power to do the proving at all < 1362605301 621099 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the extreme example is "mirror-reflections of Turing machines" < 1362605316 527227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a proof language that can only see that descriptions are the same under reflection < 1362605325 210575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with brainfuck bolted on to make it TC < 1362605337 16290 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's an infinite set, and you're trying to prove that something is in the set. What if it's not? < 1362605355 23497 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you're trying to prove two infinite sets equivalent < 1362605360 103022 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which you can do simply by showing a bijection < 1362605418 717590 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if one is equivalent to the reals < 1362605439 842113 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that matter < 1362605443 402112 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be surprised if there was a machine that either spits out the correct answer or no answer < 1362605457 906444 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I'm modestly lost in the analogy because as far as I can determine that's not what you're trying to do... < 1362605477 899443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps we're thinking of different questions entirely < 1362605482 10956 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit i have a textbook that almost certainly went over whether the set of turing machines is recursive or r.e. what is wrong with me < 1362605485 620776 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, it would be surprising if there _WASN'T_ a machine that either spits out the correct answer or no answer < 1362605500 692089 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Here's one: while (true); < 1362605523 171903 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not if there is a machine that doesn't, if there is no machine that does, gregor < 1362605543 29856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, ..huh? < 1362605555 362875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that in relation to < 1362605555 614973 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with Sgeo on this matter. < 1362605595 53153 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I presented an example of a machine that “either spits out the correct answer or no answer”. It happens to choose “no answer” with 100% probability. < 1362605616 737688 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362605622 793638 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362605634 722386 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey everyone < 1362605642 414305 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the lang with the arrows ? < 1362605657 47108 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Ohohoh, yeah, you were answering the later part when you were saying it might come down to Gödel's theorem X-D < 1362605657 602951 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erlang < 1362605678 463626 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a lot of languages with arrows, but you may be thinking of Befunge? < 1362605694 417777 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do those count as arrows? < 1362605708 628563 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1362605713 72259 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a newish BF derivative made entirely out of Unicode arrows < 1362605721 906672 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever the Brainfuck-equivalent-of-the-day is that replaces the BF commands with arrows in the 8 — lol, I was just kidding. < 1362605723 367101 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362605724 250072 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I hoped I was. < 1362605724 401816 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget the name, because it's a BF derivative and therefore probably uninteresting < 1362605728 979528 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vit or what was ? < 1362605733 963756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: it's not quite that simple < 1362605738 374115 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if that makes it better or worse < 1362605765 778431 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is my BF derivative uninteresting? :( < 1362605786 270395 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is looking at Idris a good idea? < 1362605797 998209 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Elba? < 1362605818 462397 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that other thing. < 1362605820 615034 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck elba < 1362605830 308654 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. right. bot first, duck second. < 1362605836 593156 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idris elba is an actor. < 1362605843 868166 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362605846 671143 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you sure you want to know the answer to that question? < 1362605848 932565 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck idris elba < 1362605849 196354 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idrissa Akuna "Idris" Elba is an English television, theatre, and film actor who has starred in both British and American productions. < 1362605869 334292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, yes < 1362605878 169817 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bleh, now I have to look it up < 1362605890 934579 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck interest < 1362605891 212283 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362605891 362005 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :interest definition: right, title, or legal share in something. < 1362605897 626897 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I was afraid that asking that question was an answer in and of itself < 1362605907 31338 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, trustfuck < 1362605910 603656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more interesting than average < 1362605918 167824 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what's up < 1362605924 932402 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot's not in ? < 1362605925 875720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an esolang along the lines of "take a language people already know so we can concentrate on the weirdnesses" < 1362605928 803772 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :How 'bout compared to ShaFuck X-D < 1362605963 239802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Brainfuck had some issues being a basis for it < 1362605966 597737 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: please summon fungot from its deep torpor. < 1362605968 826275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some creative possibilities denied < 1362605977 877301 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or is it torpour? that's the problem with being canadian.) < 1362606023 264685 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tourpour < 1362606075 845206 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tourpour sounds like a random unpalatable veggie. < 1362606127 34024 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :taeiourpaeioureaux < 1362606166 228038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf what a stupid error: i assigned the same address to two different "variables" < 1362606205 970275 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: wasn't it forbidden by the UN? < 1362606220 397488 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the most random channel I've ever been < 1362606239 788113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murtaugh: hmm… small IRC communities normally get this way < 1362606240 261338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must... not... name... that... channel < 1362606243 275482 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer them to talk more on topic < 1362606256 459716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't know which channel you're talking about, but I agree you shouldn't name it < 1362606258 298062 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murtaugh: It'd be hard to beat in that dimension. < 1362606265 548144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, one of the Freenode kline channels < 1362606270 855505 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yup. Horsemeat. < 1362606275 373770 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just want to do some programming with dependent types < 1362606280 807258 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Idris was the first thing that came up < 1362606286 762429 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has Haskell-like syntax < 1362606299 309763 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if it's a kline channel, it can't possibly be random, can it? it's empty by definition < 1362606303 726468 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362606311 794652 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, true < 1362606314 20969 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't agda the sexy thing < 1362606322 633476 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like saying "that room over there is random, because it's empty, because it kills anyone who enters it" < 1362606325 772944 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought a kline channel was a channel with no inside or outside < 1362606328 545502 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's both kin of scary, and a non sequitur < 1362606331 840087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*kind of scary < 1362606373 166013 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're outside a kline channel? That means... we're IN one, man. woah < 1362606445 48707 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey, the hello world compiled < 1362606459 324184 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Generally a good sign < 1362606482 792025 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh no, you're reminding me of a past exam question I was talking my students through today < 1362606490 134096 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it took me like 5 minutes to get the answer < 1362606510 447435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was a trick question, and I recognised it was a trick question, but failed to recognise what the trick was < 1362606521 542534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though I knew what the trick was, I was wrong about how it was being applied < 1362606688 915543 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this paper is anti-monoidal. i'm sorry shachaf < 1362606728 198811 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] -> [([a],[a])] < 1362606728 583400 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.CGI.Protocol formDecode :: String -> [(String, String)] < 1362606728 744798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.CGI formDecode :: String -> [(String, String)] < 1362606728 745001 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.CGI.Cookie readCookies :: String -> [(String, String)] < 1362606733 240256 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1362606769 6428 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] -> [([b],[c])] < 1362606769 827171 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad mapAndUnzipM :: Monad m => (a -> m (b, c)) -> [a] -> m ([b], [c]) < 1362606769 976615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude readList :: Read a => ReadS [a] < 1362606769 976790 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.Read readList :: Read a => ReadS [a] < 1362606912 567131 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362606942 547478 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \xs -> takeWhile (not.null.snd) $ map (`splitAt` xs) [0..] < 1362606944 211096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [([a], [a])] < 1362606950 562648 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\xs -> takeWhile (not.null.snd) $ map (`splitAt` xs) [0..]) "hello" < 1362606952 662706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [("","hello"),("h","ello"),("he","llo"),("hel","lo"),("hell","o")] < 1362607014 22372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I thought a kline channel was a channel with no inside or outside <-- you are clearly confusing with "klein channel", hth < 1362607051 158762 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolwut < 1362607114 844105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip<$>inits<*>tails$"hello" < 1362607116 339138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [("","hello"),("h","ello"),("he","llo"),("hel","lo"),("hell","o"),("hello",... < 1362607126 51333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: What was the question? < 1362607136 231019 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Murtaugh, here we make jokes based on somewhat obscure subjects < 1362607141 750974 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, Kleine bottles < 1362607147 212727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I get how that works, but do people generally consider that readable? < 1362607155 916160 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did understand the joke < 1362607179 20403 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative is cooler than monads < 1362607195 314851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder if applicatives should get syntax sugar < 1362607212 440551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: well the (->) monad/applicative is always a little dubious < 1362607216 817028 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I say something about klein bottles irl people will just go "WTF?" at me < 1362607218 856750 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tails < 1362607220 702591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [[a]] < 1362607221 437724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: "here is some Java code that compiles but does not do what it's intended to, make three corrections to the code and two to the documentation" < 1362607222 440990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also wonder if a monad could be made to act as syntax sugar for applicatives. I think it would have to error at runtime if you tried something illegal though < 1362607229 672141 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> tails "hello" < 1362607231 643102 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["hello","ello","llo","lo","o",""] < 1362607234 76061 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362607246 186806 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that seems sensible enough < 1362607277 175590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, too bad, I like that monad/applicative < 1362607289 563019 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reminds me of J < 1362607335 348610 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t inits < 1362607335 536622 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah i was thinking "that's a verb train!" too < 1362607336 981422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [[a]] < 1362607338 286641 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well NOW it doesn't seem sensible < 1362607343 638009 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t tails < 1362607345 345651 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [[a]] < 1362607347 387451 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t <*> < 1362607349 126713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `<*>' < 1362607352 308943 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*>) < 1362607354 65491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1362607355 48322 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, that is actually very straightforward < 1362607357 385614 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1362607378 409591 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+) <$> id <*> id $ 5 < 1362607380 39187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 10 < 1362607390 62593 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (+) <$> id <*> (+1) $ 5 < 1362607391 585770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11 < 1362607401 87862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, do those make sense? < 1362607404 560720 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those should be clearer < 1362607405 593839 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362607407 168243 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (/) <$> sum <*> length $ [1,2,3,4,5] < 1362607408 666884 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Types.Int) < 1362607409 255874 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use o... < 1362607414 63813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "so easy" < 1362607416 925728 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait. why doesn't this work < 1362607424 508150 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip <$> inits <*> inits <*> inits $ "fuck" < 1362607426 470507 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> b0' < 1362607426 619988 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `[(a1... < 1362607429 18681 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: length is an int < 1362607429 758174 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1362607435 531489 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or rather returns an Int < 1362607443 705784 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll want fromIntegral somewhere < 1362607451 992370 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (/) <$> sum <*> fromIntegral.length $ [1,2,3,4,5] < 1362607454 61595 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1362607457 18044 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1362607458 103116 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362607462 776932 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 15 / 5 < 1362607464 461564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1362607467 643782 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this works fine, though < 1362607469 280202 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does this do average in parallel < 1362607484 313247 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like J??) < 1362607485 572345 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: All valid Num instances have a fromInteger < 1362607491 174952 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) (+/%#) 1 2 3 4 5 < 1362607491 564404 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: 3 < 1362607501 480747 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 is actually fromInteger 3 underneath < 1362607507 138051 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was rewriting (+/%#) which is a j "idiom" for average < 1362607526 350689 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh < 1362607532 594180 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, accumulating the length in the same reduction that it accumulates the sum < 1362607533 260444 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: If you have an Integer though, it won't automatically get converted to whatever Num instance you want < 1362607544 922921 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (3 :: Integer) / 4 < 1362607546 878342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Fractional GHC.Integer.Type.Integer) < 1362607547 47291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising f... < 1362607582 366229 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1362607612 238138 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i assume J does because J is god < 1362607615 194806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so does this do average in parallel <-- i don't think so, ghc isn't very good at deforesting two lists concurrently < 1362607641 454148 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :J doesn't do that :( < 1362607647 862371 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit J you had one job < 1362607662 266811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. the documentation for zipWith mentions you only get one of them fused) < 1362607672 171025 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362607675 651240 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gotta go < 1362607682 716563 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1362607688 584921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Murtaugh < 1362607725 667452 :Murtaugh!~mur@unaffiliated/murtaugh QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout: 10^100*(65536^65536)+(e^(pi*i)) seconds < 1362607732 923871 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You could write an efficient average using pipes I think < 1362607760 201698 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. a recent haskell idea thingy i had, inspired by J: some datatype that's a pair of inverse functions < 1362607781 718269 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell murtaugh Ping timeout: TREE(3) seconds < 1362607782 249253 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362607783 11371 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if this would end up being lense < 1362607784 824768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lenses < 1362607791 340305 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you do it with lenses < 1362607794 285857 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was my real question < 1362608225 186690 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362608863 904616 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362608864 236191 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362608864 385848 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362609013 287908 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/q0Zc9nnT mmmh < 1362609101 573527 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (:[]) . head [4,5] < 1362609103 605404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (f0 a0)) < 1362609103 757296 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_145' < 1362609103 757476 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pos... < 1362609121 889871 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (:[]) $ head [4,5] < 1362609124 208359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [4] < 1362609161 440126 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (:[]) . head $ [4,5] < 1362609164 5765 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [4] < 1362609171 218238 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin operator precedence < 1362609224 535610 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah maybe there should be a law for the thingy going the other way too < 1362609474 364267 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362609488 230643 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362609576 902054 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362609728 227559 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362609908 167682 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362609908 574911 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362609908 724240 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362609946 193659 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Idris actually has a proper unary - < 1362610016 678578 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Class Foo a b where { foo :: a -> b; defoo :: b -> a } Something like this? < 1362610086 185389 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362610154 168957 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what's in the paste < 1362610229 855085 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except with infixity for some reason. < 1362610621 883127 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler: < 1362610629 796094 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're infix operators because i couldn't think of a name for them < 1362610641 504208 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the way i defined them, though. < 1362610758 530073 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alice, bob < 1362610847 277277 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phobos and deimos < 1362610930 864774 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362611029 14536 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pain and confusion right? perfect for programming < 1362611051 788059 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fear and dread. oh well < 1362611084 124757 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362611121 141096 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"reg" and "inv" maybe < 1362611451 900137 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362611492 534750 :TeruFSX2!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362611701 481330 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362611786 458826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought there was already a package for isomorphisms < 1362611788 968202 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought generally that f⁻¹ . f = id = f . f⁻¹, or am i confusing things with left inverse or wetfuck < 1362611960 782754 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're right < 1362612079 13540 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362612112 781226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lens!!!!! < 1362612178 632691 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott can lens do average as one fold or what < 1362612237 476626 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um maybe < 1362612244 574510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that with ```fold zipping''' < 1362612248 826492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it forms an applicative functor < 1362612254 940430 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362612281 984354 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of quotes is this a python docsting < 1362612314 300570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1362612320 109992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fold a b = Fold b (a -> Fold a b) < 1362612341 945343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sumF = sumF' 0 where sumF' !n = Fold n (\_ -> sumF' (n+1)) < 1362612348 411504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :,,quotes,, < 1362612349 828167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1362612354 960464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sumF = sumF' 0 where sumF' !n = Fold n (\m -> sumF' (n+m)) < 1362612369 690018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lengthF = lengthF' 0 where lengthF' !n = Fold n (\_ -> lengthF' (n+1)) < 1362612371 574910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can do < 1362612377 992993 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :runFold ((/) <$> sumF <*> lengthF) [1,2,3] < 1362612398 891749 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362612413 488065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this is at least 47% profound < 1362612423 62703 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's p. profound < 1362612437 787039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's a comonad too iirc < 1362612462 393176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is it a cofree comonad < 1362612472 943622 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1362612478 749038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's Cofree ((->) a) < 1362612494 800007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1362612500 209265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :upping the profundity to 72% < 1362612513 19147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool it's basically dual to Supply too. < 1362612534 808365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo does anybody in here have the slightest clue what im talking about < 1362612545 290285 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1362612576 157255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about kmc < 1362612727 526546 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362612852 366008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's neat < 1362612870 306289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel only slightly reassured < 1362612875 740412 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1362612886 368973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's Supply? < 1362612892 434004 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (,) <$> (+3) <*> (*3) $ ZipList [1,2,3,4,5] < 1362612894 332474 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (Control.Applicative.ZipList a0)) < 1362612894 484792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising f... < 1362612898 852224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Supply = Free ((->) r) < 1362612906 882348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are pure and <*> for Fold < 1362612907 181556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fold = Cofree ((->) r) < 1362612909 861914 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (,) <$> (tails) <*> (heads) $ ZipList [1,2,3,4,5] < 1362612910 12659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually fold is more like supply < 1362612912 236585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `heads' < 1362612912 406346 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1362612912 555777 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `reads' (imported... < 1362612920 498309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: pure a = Fold a (const (pure a)) < 1362612930 427219 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. just like foldr (\_ b -> b) a < 1362612937 163416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<*>) is a bit trickier iirc < 1362612939 738768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err, so, a free monad based on reader, so... can take a potentially infinite number of arguments and pass them in, or what? < 1362612940 734126 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362612941 363890 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: inits < 1362612973 995625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh maybe it's just Fold f q <*> Fold x r = Fold (f x) (\v -> q v <*> r v)??? < 1362612990 117138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: eg you can feed Free ((->) Int) from stdin < 1362612990 440823 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (,) <$> (tails) <*> (inits) $ ZipList [1,2,3,4,5] < 1362612992 587719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a0]' < 1362612992 742914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Control.... < 1362612993 862336 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or from a predefined stream of Ints < 1362612995 124288 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or from an RNG < 1362613004 142127 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course doesn't work on ZipLists < 1362613018 212373 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO is there like a formal model of code serialization somewhere because i'm blanking < 1362613021 794415 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :back later < 1362613022 686914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, is there a way to supply it with a finite source? < 1362613041 76404 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: No route to host < 1362613085 30111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but your result will have to be eg in maybe < 1362613089 213682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Free ((->) r) a -> [r] -> Maybe a < 1362613097 422227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it might ask for an "r" when you don't have any left < 1362613217 181387 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362613875 339019 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362614056 490661 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that's a no < 1362614139 553633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo you're a no < 1362614144 67178 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(its actually a yes) < 1362614149 691234 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362614156 714228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance you couldn't do that with (Stream r -> a) < 1362614191 182748 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362614191 608165 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362614191 757474 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362614652 179739 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362614652 662935 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362614652 812381 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362614657 207150 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362615674 92167 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362615698 61524 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362615708 402089 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 NICK :carado < 1362615760 277219 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1362616311 29499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does Free (Cont r) behave? < 1362617905 126892 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362618180 886995 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runState < 1362618182 191556 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :State s a -> s -> (a, s) < 1362618195 920689 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src State < 1362618196 279899 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. :( < 1362618218 645401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The order of applicatives matter, yet there's no nice syntax for rearranging the order when using a nonmonadic applicative < 1362618239 71138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<**>) < 1362618240 921324 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `<**>' < 1362618241 76944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `Control.Applicative.<**>', < 1362618241 77131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imported from `Control.Applicative' at State/L.hs:4:1-26 < 1362618248 28145 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1362618258 501903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (<**>) < 1362618258 664865 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (<**>) < 1362618258 966189 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<**>) :: Applicative f => f a -> f (a -> b) -> f b < 1362618259 145866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative (<**>) :: Applicative f => f a -> f (a -> b) -> f b < 1362618269 207795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not flip (<*>)) < 1362618272 328683 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ambiguous occuence < 1362618304 883798 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still think a do-like syntax for applicatives could be reasonable < 1362618332 534636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i've been thinking comprehension syntax is more fitting < 1362618357 127370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good point < 1362618400 825124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you need afaict is to check that none of the comma separated <- declarations use each other < 1362618408 112016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, if there's a monad that let's you put applicatives together (maybe returning Nothing if you attempt an illegal operation), monad comprehensions could be used < 1362618434 304862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although direct syntax support would be better < 1362618644 48605 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well comprehensions and do notations are basically the same. though the free "pure" in comprehensions suits applicatives well < 1362618673 368621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the latter is what i was thinking < 1362618904 725323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so [f x y z | x <- ..., y <- ..., z <- ...] ==> f <$> ... <*> ... <*> ... < 1362618920 5777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm it would work well with record puns, too bad record puns are evil < 1362618929 380379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you pun that way... < 1362619252 341015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems backwards < 1362619286 34745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait i'm thinking of record wildcards < 1362619409 586047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking if you could do [Rec{..} | field <- ..., field2 <- ...] < 1362619429 801150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's wildcards < 1362619472 561693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also backwards, i think < 1362619481 864256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you mean by backwards < 1362619503 415678 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that .. is a pattern you get the names _out_ of, not put them into < 1362619522 801457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1362619542 136744 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems to be allowed < 1362619564 276453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work then < 1362619650 566200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you get a fun type error if you e.g. forget to bind field3 < 1362619657 828343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it tries to do field3 = field3 < 1362619661 8887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where field3 is the _accessor_ function < 1362619664 858015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because punning is awful) < 1362619673 697405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it just detects that I guess :( < 1362619711 514575 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says that particular binding is excluded < 1362620216 468472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dependently typed languages don't have idiotic numbers of zip functions, right? < 1362620225 327788 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zip3 zip4 zipOkThisIsDumb < 1362620230 15341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t zip4 < 1362620231 199113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] -> [b] -> [c] -> [d] -> [(a, b, c, d)] < 1362620240 205717 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just use HLists instead of tuples < 1362620307 946100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLists ~ tuples < 1362620319 286519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was how they were originally written < 1362620321 792345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing to do with dependent types, also < 1362620332 87576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZipList abstracts away the zip pattern < 1362620359 588914 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HLists are tuples structured like lists though, rather than flat, iirc < 1362620379 779140 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1, (2,3)) rather than (1,2,3) < 1362620386 714921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, erm < 1362620391 681441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like (1,(2,(3,()))) < 1362620393 1649 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1, (2, (3, ()))) < 1362620394 688261 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some old school shit right there < 1362620398 999842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a bad representation because you get O(n) access < 1362620551 861270 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362620754 114703 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip (zip (zip (repeat ()) (repeat ())) (repeat ())) (repeat ())) < 1362620755 738906 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:64: parse error on input `)' < 1362620759 475896 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> zip (zip (zip (repeat ()) (repeat ())) (repeat ())) (repeat ()) < 1362620761 145265 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [((((),()),()),()),((((),()),()),()),((((),()),()),()),((((),()),()),()),((... < 1362620935 723782 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join $ fix $ (["","()"]++) . ap (zipWith (\x y->"("++x++y++")")) tail < 1362620937 836344 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "()(())(()(()))((())(()(())))((()(()))((())(()(()))))(((())(()(())))((()(()... < 1362620954 271051 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like i'm really using an esolang < 1362620997 644675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're not, Bike. because you don't know haskell < 1362621001 226680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're barely even a person!!!! < 1362621007 714488 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm barely even a bike < 1362621035 881400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of bike are you < 1362621049 511904 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fixie < 1362621067 33946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix it < 1362621067 519321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you don't fix anything < 1362621068 645232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `it' < 1362621068 817082 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1362621068 966608 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `id' (imported from ... < 1362621077 432268 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google fixie < 1362621079 671002 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixed-gear_bicycle < 1362621079 859224 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Fixed-gear bicycle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1362621082 356318 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let bike = const "Bike" in fix bike < 1362621084 179338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Bike" < 1362621088 539707 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1362621096 838527 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t const "shitshitshit" < 1362621098 600322 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :b -> [Char] < 1362621100 497334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what fixies are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FUCKER < 1362621103 590824 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice < 1362621116 991393 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not know what a fixie s < 1362621117 949055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is < 1362621146 380450 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope that helped < 1362621155 434049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what's that thing that was in lambdabot that made a joke about fixing? < 1362621167 101849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fix < 1362621167 258359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: bid faq ft id thx < 1362621172 957336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@id < 1362621176 357930 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@thx < 1362621176 719526 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are welcome < 1362621180 4007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@id foo < 1362621180 155446 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : foo < 1362621180 939531 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1362621184 899227 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@id "honk < 1362621185 48625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "honk < 1362621203 676129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i must be tired because im laughing at Bike's smiley < 1362621209 372674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i usually only laugh when i use that smiley < 1362621222 325170 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you okay bro < 1362621224 681764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!underload (:aS(:^S^:)Sa:):^S^:(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:) < 1362621225 764897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no :( < 1362621226 745502 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:):^S^:(:aS(:^S^:)Sa:) < 1362621235 468038 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362621242 838564 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ( :) < 1362621244 266591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> [a] -> [a] < 1362621245 239635 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I laughed when you said that what I said was the saddest thing you've heard < 1362621256 510933 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the saddest thing he'd heard you say < 1362621293 777644 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: were you tired < 1362621299 711621 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1362621306 276036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :insufficient data for meaningful answer < 1362621452 212088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl (\x -> x x) (\x -> x x) < 1362621455 482150 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap id id (ap id id) < 1362621455 631897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. < 1362621462 310409 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl-resume < 1362621468 571586 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap id id (ap id id) < 1362621468 721067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization suspended, use @pl-resume to continue. < 1362621473 474201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh...? < 1362621476 841537 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i see where this is going < 1362621477 342579 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :optimization? < 1362621500 432206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its optimising the points away < 1362621534 766623 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the points are gone < 1362621540 855548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it still trying to get rid of more? < 1362621590 255389 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t app < 1362621591 550546 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ArrowApply a => a (a b c, b) c < 1362621601 800430 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i thought arrows sucked < 1362621649 72326 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(#(% %) #(% %)) < 1362621650 697490 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clojure < 1362621656 870812 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elegant < 1362621667 763404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its ap not app < 1362621672 876804 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ap < 1362621673 584743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its trying to make the code shorter < 1362621674 57315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362621674 636246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b < 1362621677 931872 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1362621718 810025 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t id<*>id$id<*>id < 1362621720 224339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = a0 -> b0 < 1362621720 373706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (a0 -> b0) -> a0 < 1362621720 373806 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Actual type: (a0 -> b0) -> a0 -> b0 < 1362621724 643379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1362621731 695140 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (\x -> x x) (\x -> x x) < 1362621733 175173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t1 = t1 -> t0 < 1362621733 324768 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `x', namely `x' < 1362621733 324958 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: x x < 1362621741 704813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you expect that to work i'm confused < 1362621834 683215 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> x x < 1362621836 131043 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t1 = t1 -> t0 < 1362621836 280941 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `x', namely `x' < 1362621836 281074 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: x x < 1362621846 349652 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is why fix exists surely < 1362621885 913057 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are functions you can pass to themselves < 1362621898 779291 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why can't I write a function that can only take such a function? < 1362621907 204705 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what functions can you pass to themselves < 1362621911 874872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :id < 1362621921 747174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what type do you expect (\x -> x x) to have < 1362621924 83763 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's because it's polymorphic isn't it < 1362621929 911572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that it can be assigned a type but not in haskell 2010 < 1362621945 330319 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? what type would it be assigned? < 1362621958 571364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i won't spoil < 1362621965 173619 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dick < 1362621970 34213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i will but only if everyone gives up < 1362621987 140530 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can we give up if we're too incompetent to even guess < 1362621993 103918 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it count as giving up if i already know the answer? < 1362621999 124272 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362622003 82255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't count as part of everyone, oerjan < 1362622004 637325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1362622016 179802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a priori i assume that anything i could possibly say is something oerjan already knows < 1362622019 996851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm ok with that < 1362622034 414174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know anything about type theory outside of Haskell. Well, a little subtyping I guess < 1362622041 858837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not really anything to do with type theory < 1362622050 916884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typeclasses? < 1362622055 968970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362622066 550213 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely \x -> x x not being typeable in HM is type theory something < 1362622067 745642 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some sort of or type? < 1362622076 451034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(\x -> x x) is a function so must have type $A -> $B for some $A, $B < 1362622091 621425 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those perl style variables < 1362622098 69718 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we apply x inside so we know $A must be a function type, ($C -> $D) -> $B for some $C, $D, $B < 1362622110 98693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the function's result is the result of applying x < 1362622112 620874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so $B = $D < 1362622119 802580 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recursive types < 1362622120 866997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :($C -> $D) -> $D for some $C, $D < 1362622130 860089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$C is what we pass in i.e. the type of x < 1362622141 628591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but oops, that's infinite < 1362622143 722860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :$C = $C -> $D < 1362622149 976513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:03:56 Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: t1 = t1 -> t0 < 1362622174 252291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from a rank2 pov we can assign the type (\x -> x x) :: (forall a. a -> a) -> b -> b < 1362622178 151198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not inferred < 1362622215 269945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw fucking learn haskell you god damn fixie < 1362622217 454678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@where lyah < 1362622218 93650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.learnyouahaskell.com/ < 1362622220 279599 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :go. go do it < 1362622224 417944 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that fuckin book < 1362622231 907827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont care < 1362622236 603864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :about your opinions of the book < 1362622246 802436 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm certainly not doing it now but that's because my head is underwater < 1362622258 872090 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this tomorrow i will learn agda and then shoot you < 1362622259 21598 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :buy hutton's programming in haskell if you want I hear that's good!!!! < 1362622270 879389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck it give up and read real world haskell if you want to be the worst person slash bike < 1362622274 419828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't care it just needs to happen < 1362622277 315430 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1362622287 334734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well rwh is kind of crappy as a `first read' < 1362622299 369421 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean why does it need to happen < 1362622322 974228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1362622326 547446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Bike hate LYAH? < 1362622333 31077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :either you'll learn and understand < 1362622335 630012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you'll die trying < 1362622338 861905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it won't matter any more < 1362622342 200351 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't hate it, i just think it's kind of irritating < 1362622347 973977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :headlines FIRST BICYCLE KILLED BY HASKELL < 1362622351 206528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :SIMON PEYTON JONES ARRESTED < 1362622352 965048 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay fuck fine i'll try it right now you fucking shitter < 1362622357 316411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx <3 < 1362622360 56246 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking sun < 1362622363 750049 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you, sun. < 1362622382 557778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you read why's (poignant) guide to ruby < 1362622382 991334 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun's dead. Try Oracle. < 1362622392 70516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyah is the tamest shit in comparison (and i love wpgtr with all my heart) < 1362622419 165084 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read some of wpgtr but i thought it was funnier than lyah < 1362622419 314402 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc wpgtr says something and that something is obsolete < 1362622428 7859 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some flaw that Ruby had that was fixed < 1362622430 536966 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget why i don't like lyah, maybe it's because i hate joy < 1362622435 292782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well wpgtr was last updated like a billion years ago < 1362622436 791799 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i hate joy? i forget < 1362622441 546011 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think its for ruby 1.8.something < 1362622444 950515 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joy is a different language. < 1362622454 23095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it doesn't matter because nobody has ever learned ruby from wpgtr < 1362622456 405709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's the beauty of it < 1362622466 316498 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like joy the language i mean joy the happiness < 1362622475 861448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know wpgtr has a soundtrack < 1362622486 853591 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362622494 109145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good bicycle < 1362622525 607200 :kallisti!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362622526 76071 :kallisti!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1362622526 225521 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1362622530 208579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a haskell mode for emacs that isn't bullshit < 1362622539 159369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes its called the haskell mode < 1362622544 135566 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1362622546 907617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just get the latest one from git or whatever since your package might just be shit < 1362622554 894074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i set it into stupid indentation mode i think < 1362622559 814385 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the smart indentation mode irritates me < 1362622565 702808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it knows better than me < 1362622572 615070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and wants to cycle thoruhg every possible indentation when i press tab < 1362622576 975256 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's actually in a repository gosh < 1362622581 521411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"did you know it's theoretically possible for you to write code at this indentation here???" < 1362622586 392222 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1362622597 15144 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in reality < 1362622598 222170 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just use vim < 1362622598 705333 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: those are the best indentations you know < 1362622605 497912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and type my indentation manually < 1362622609 311456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by pressing the spacebar < 1362622615 80041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know when i regressed like this but i am happy < 1362622630 235389 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1362622637 424267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because i tried the fancy alternative haskell mode thing chrisdone had < 1362622650 72431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it annoyed the hell out of me and wanted me to make a .cabal for everything when i just wanted to load a file into ghci < 1362622659 201792 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i gave up and started doing vi foo.hs instead < 1362622659 653147 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the usual mode for editing haskell < 1362622669 291499 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uh < 1362622672 880738 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"workflow" that's the ticket < 1362622673 73314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well chrisdone just merged the good stuff into real haskell-mode i think < 1362622676 195061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362622679 262547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you write stuff in a file < 1362622680 653837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-c C-l < 1362622685 127953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it loads in the ghci in the other emacs window < 1362622689 222621 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh good, i'm all over that. < 1362622689 553000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you switch over and evaluate stuff < 1362622696 553575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its basically like lisp but we don't have anything fancy like slime < 1362622717 944810 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :suddenly i have the horrible idea of writing haskell swank < 1362622731 688380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it's basically literally the same as running ghci in another terminal and pressing :r < 1362622734 690875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what i do now < 1362622748 591373 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'll miss C-c C-c but i can deal < 1362622751 310688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::r still wipes bindings < 1362622753 586990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362622767 224764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've forgotten what c-c c-c does < 1362622768 835063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been so long < 1362622769 2862 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it not < 1362622778 206025 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fuck haskell-platform installs a lot < 1362622800 265567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I want to test a function with some data that took some time to produce and don't want to re-create the data each time I change the function < 1362622803 807551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything haskell platform installs for you is something you cant fuck up installing manually with cabal-install < 1362622808 609322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :accept the blessing < 1362622843 882420 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah sounds like C-c C-c would be good for that, but a lot of times being able to destroy old bindings would be kind of nice too < 1362622871 793709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1362622874 392532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does c-c c-c do!!! < 1362622876 705126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't leave me in the dark < 1362622880 162614 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: until you need to upgrade a package < 1362622885 608954 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slime-compile-defun < 1362622891 256871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: that's when you throw out your computer and buy a new one < 1362622893 256992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just compiles and loads the current form < 1362622896 503040 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of like, the whole file. < 1362622906 270197 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :% format / < 1362622942 661518 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whole-file vs single-function isn't relevant, it's what happens to old bindings made at REPL that's relevant < 1362622953 237825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the real cool emacs stuff starts when you give up on ever writing programs and just go to coq and agda < 1362622963 848598 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good, i hate programs < 1362622964 683621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where you get tightly-integrated ~HYPER-INTERACTIVE~ emacs environments < 1362622969 329502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty much the best < 1362623028 633874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should be a teacher instead of a programmer < 1362623134 208164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike should i sleep < 1362623138 990637 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god yes < 1362623145 96891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but why < 1362623150 972762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it so you can have peace < 1362623164 689459 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're whiting out every few seconds and at this rate you'll become a p-zombie < 1362623180 506750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok becoming a p-zombie is now on my list of life goals < 1362623190 608175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just before becoming a bicycle (how do you do it???) < 1362623194 299880 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read more smullyan then < 1362623198 579597 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an ancient secret i'm afraid < 1362623205 816118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient wisdom of the bicycles < 1362623226 794301 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"so for reasons that will remain unclear i have an account on a novell network which uses windows 7 and i wish to get the sam and system files or the password hashes and saved onto a flashdrive" ##asm is a great channel < 1362623235 930755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1362623273 126553 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 98% actual asm questions 2% random scriptkiddies asking for hacking help < 1362623304 591405 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plot twist: 40% of the actual asm questions are people trying to wargame. < 1362623311 585077 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :97% homework questions < 1362623316 894680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as I understand it the point of assembler is to bypass the security checks in the Micro-Soft Windows operating system to achieve a lower level of control with which to extract the necessary passwords from the system code < 1362623317 693814 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah XD but wargame stuff sounds really cool < 1362623326 578747 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1362623355 430137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is why microsoft do not supply an assembler. it is too risky < 1362623411 907887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you ever get the feeling someone in the channel is taking your bullshit joke seriously < 1362623417 499032 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm getting that feeling real strong right now < 1362623437 869905 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think someone in this channel would say "Micro-Soft"? < 1362623448 252495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike have you SEEN the people in thnis channel < 1362623453 201315 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it me < 1362623456 56194 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i the narc? < 1362623457 896975 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's everyone < 1362623462 566715 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit < 1362623472 610516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and noöne (← DIÆRESIS) < 1362623473 890242 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362623528 892095 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362623530 902438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn Bike you are so right. i should be sleeping < 1362623534 336409 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see < 1362623542 404936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Bike < 1362623548 215597 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362623553 685691 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the advantage of the ancient wisdom of the bicycles. < 1362623592 680073 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right britland < 1362623630 702324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike have you ever even seen a britland < 1362623643 44645 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only once, when I was young. < 1362623662 617030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you're looking at my time without permission < 1362623667 878712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's confidential Bike < 1362623678 710021 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime elliott < 1362623679 521773 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Thu Mar 7 02:34:38 2013 < 1362623687 166842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GUYS?? SOME PRIVACY??? < 1362623703 90424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if ghosts find me < 1362623705 522749 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/say @localtime had better just ctcp people < 1362623734 946237 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime words more words < 1362623751 981500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime words Sgeo lambdabot words < 1362623754 686044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/say hello Bike < 1362623758 751237 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good command. < 1362623769 548595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/help < 1362623780 247645 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/sleep < 1362623802 223985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:36:39 -!- Irssi: Unknown command: sleep < 1362623806 237849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my irc client sucks < 1362623813 647184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg nickserv ghost elliott < 1362623828 346903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: whats your password < 1362623885 381769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bonghits4jesus < 1362623922 56149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't believe you but tried to ghost you nonetheless < 1362623927 101212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :basic principles of professionalism < 1362623934 167791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you sure did < 1362623946 464904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it tell you < 1362623951 839817 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're one of the worst sleepers i've ever seen. < 1362623956 36223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it say hey kmc im nickserv the snitchand that elliott guy is the WORST < 1362623956 185960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nobody will guess my password because i used the numeral '4' instead of the word 'four' < 1362623964 136872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362623964 326737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you lied again < 1362623965 462541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im so upset < 1362623973 185475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: wait am i asleep < 1362623977 163630 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this all a dream < 1362623979 220581 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no not you that other guy < 1362623980 548121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you trust me kmc < 1362623982 208129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with your password < 1362623987 919194 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362623988 68737 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck do i look like zhuangzi to you < 1362623988 68980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you already have mine since i use mosh < 1362623989 53228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1362623996 378493 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and im sure you have some great backdoors in that crypto < 1362624000 775773 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and don't forget that sharing is caring < 1362624004 968062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just have a backdoor for AES < 1362624006 976289 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you acre < 1362624008 324968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :about anything < 1362624009 54649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'much better' < 1362624064 981211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what does it feel like to be able to decide to go to sleep and then enact that decision successfully < 1362624085 880666 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :narcoleptic. < 1362624110 890282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wish i was narcoleptic < 1362624115 742959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like being dead tired at midnight instead of 2pm < 1362624131 581614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's... weird. < 1362624186 48324 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think... my sleep schedule has actually been quasinormal lately < 1362624280 993393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im starting to become irritated at everything for existing < 1362624289 99867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especialyl Bike because bicycles feel more like tangible objects than humans to me < 1362624332 658128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFlys aren't humans either. < 1362624354 112826 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And humans being the dual of pumpkins seems weird < 1362624410 32551 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott may already be a dualist! < 1362624433 507480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im offended Bike < 1362624449 690023 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I threw in being a duelist as well? < 1362624478 939034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like galois < 1362624479 973155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you know haskell yet < 1362624500 797718 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost. < 1362624506 689776 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to figure out these monad things. < 1362624513 932965 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some good tutorials for that :-) < 1362624524 409603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-: < 1362624530 898644 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-:-) fusion < 1362624538 548923 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sick < 1362624539 861653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :superglued them eyeballzzz together < 1362624650 242065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dual & duel smiling power < 1362624655 512059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice the noses: twice the power < 1362624666 354632 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can ü comprehend it < 1362624675 834035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even as a bicycle you have never seen the dawning of a day with this much smiling upon it < 1362624728 286511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike my irc client is about to literally explode if you dont tell me to go to bed again < 1362624786 240998 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is away: are you asleep yet? < 1362624830 63030 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip Bike < 1362624833 433450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :died from being away < 1362624984 337881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-:-) TIE FIGHTER < 1362624995 813382 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining tie fighter above < 1362625004 386642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362625023 311342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike you told me you were away < 1362625024 313828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you lie < 1362625039 407024 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is away: do you regret? < 1362625117 507113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have joined ##asm < 1362625169 847923 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hacker already left sorry < 1362625206 724678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HACKERS < 1362625233 462345 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo you're kind of adorable sometimes i hope you know that < 1362625356 181467 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1362625383 851419 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1362625880 878099 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362625909 842780 :impomatic!~digital_w@22.120.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362626415 958146 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do i get inferior-haskell to get me a repl? haskell wiki says to C-c C-l something but that seems pretty dumb < 1362626457 419567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :C-c C-l < 1362626466 730845 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1362626469 700902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if yo uwant a repl without a file, you can open a terminal and type ghci < 1362626471 671813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but seriously you want a file < 1362626477 51712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since declarations are like 10x more convenient in a file < 1362626479 925238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and like indentation and stuff < 1362626486 52414 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay yes but i want a repl too < 1362626512 42441 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyah starts with a repl. i gotta go by the book here. < 1362626573 397813 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so open a terminal < 1362626574 707821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and type ghci < 1362626576 482248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and press enter < 1362626589 365258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternatively m-x some shit FUCK I NEED TO SLEEP < 1362626593 452295 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine ;_; < 1362626775 780159 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 4 * -3 isn't allowed, nice < 1362626815 719263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 * -3 < 1362626818 331033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Precedence parsing error < 1362626818 480422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : cannot mix `GHC.Num.*' [infixl 7] and prefix ... < 1362626821 798545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh so it isn't < 1362626826 123657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well negative numbers are kin dof a clusterfuck < 1362626828 311571 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just put them in parens always < 1362626829 852277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its like lisp < 1362626833 252472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a long story < 1362626856 314501 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's gross < 1362626857 575648 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) 4 ((-) 3)) < 1362626859 444635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> a0)) < 1362626859 594103 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_143' < 1362626859 594295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1362626863 877930 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er what < 1362626865 774758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whats Your Solution i have my solution < 1362626883 971727 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (-) < 1362626885 678077 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a -> a < 1362626893 335209 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. is there like negate somewhere < 1362626895 58751 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> negate 4 < 1362626896 933154 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -4 < 1362626900 287361 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfection < 1362626905 111140 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my solution is get rid of unary -, have -4 and such be numeric literal, use negate if you want a function < 1362626919 449553 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in that moment i swear we were all monqy < 1362626922 790452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: and what does (- 3) mean < 1362626930 408305 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :section < 1362626931 348379 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it means - takes two arguments < 1362626935 343238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: u passed the test < 1362626939 807640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: however what does foo x = -x mean????? < 1362626945 976858 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((*) 4 (negate 3)) < 1362626947 916950 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -12 < 1362626954 334665 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :const -x < 1362626957 777436 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll write all my haskell like this to piss people off pointlessly < 1362626960 141381 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(-x is an identifier) < 1362626966 271311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's alliteration) < 1362626969 377101 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes monqy yikes < 1362626969 526569 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1362626973 123156 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (- 3) 5 < 1362626975 200499 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> t)) < 1362626975 350161 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity chec... < 1362626981 196470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is elliott still awake? < 1362626986 519549 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good fucking question < 1362626987 710533 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'd probably end up making haskell into agda somehow < 1362627003 336234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixfix is kind of awful < 1362627005 79613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also kind of good < 1362627006 375215 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit < 1362627007 63233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going < 1362627007 500160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1362627009 827568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit < 1362627010 394872 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1362627137 858363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1362627145 912510 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: narcolepsy is not that fun < 1362627162 294637 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shh he's asleep < 1362627207 706155 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You may not have known it but we've been using functions now all along. For instance, * is a function that takes two numbers and multiplies them." this is pretty great < 1362627423 488299 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1362627440 417285 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362627548 537724 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: talking about languages is a bad idea hth < 1362627578 774690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that channel, maybe. < 1362627598 297225 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did sgeo do.... < 1362627620 967396 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mentioned Haskell in ##asm. Or maybe it was someone else but anyway now everything is terrible. < 1362627634 844278 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going along with it because I'm also terrible? I don't know. < 1362627676 776948 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the person who's arguing with you, I haven't even seen them post anything except off-topic video clips before this o_O < 1362627681 190225 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode is weird < 1362627716 299467 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish people wouldn't do the "thing is obviously absurd and useless" for things that obviously exist. It's so uncreative. < 1362627740 345397 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ((1 +) * (2 +)) 3 < 1362627742 2239 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> a0)) < 1362627742 178098 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `e_1123' < 1362627742 327348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1362627848 179948 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a very simple example of a common pattern you will see throughout Haskell. Making basic functions that are obviously correct and then combining them into more complex functions." good tutorial, this < 1362627956 976106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i have a confession: I didn't know haskell actually had a basic if < 1362627976 925547 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you used case everywhere < 1362628097 485966 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real functional programmers use if' < 1362628117 465955 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :if syntax lets you do fun things with indentation though < 1362628150 863042 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits tab a few times. what < 1362628312 60224 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362628488 433480 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362628536 932186 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1362628553 180852 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362628989 912871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION assumes that Bike's "what" was followed by " could possibly go wrong?" < 1362629009 846463 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the hell just went wrong", more like. < 1362629039 259687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it was, the tabs swallowed it. < 1362629882 913834 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So anyway, I'm curious, what's so alien about assembly? < 1362629928 581259 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so... low-level < 1362629931 476222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ish < 1362629937 620235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know Assembly really < 1362629947 944598 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You didn't learn any in school? < 1362629964 787559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They teach assembly in schools? < 1362629969 328946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My school sucked) < 1362629986 314119 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I learned basic ancient MIPS in arch class. < 1362630014 403126 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had an OS class. We wrote in C#, because the professor wrote a computer simulator thingy in C# < 1362630036 105748 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it wasn't really a good simulator, since you didn't write things like memory management stuff in the assembly of the simulator, you wrote it in C# < 1362630050 641480 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we learned MIPS in the architecture class I took, and in another one of the low-level ones we had to learn basic x86 asm and how to debug with gdb, reverse engineer a basic program < 1362630067 542696 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the program was a "bomb" and asked for a series of codes, and we had to use a debugger and look at the asm to figure out each code < 1362630075 691310 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each one had a progressively more obfuscated way of validating the codes < 1362630084 573361 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: OS is a bit different from arch, I think. < 1362630089 556736 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and each time you inputted a wrong code, it'd email the teacher XD < 1362630112 173427 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like it'd just annoy them really < 1362630120 809737 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the professor would take off a small number of points for each one < 1362630128 19519 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(only up to a limited amount, it wasn't major) < 1362630134 667881 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was mainly just to encourage people to figure out how to patch out the emailer < 1362630141 278635 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1362630180 614069 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the OS class didn't have any outright asm but it did deal with a lot of low level stuff, since we were doing, like, paging and threading on a mips simulator < 1362630196 954223 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the intro CS class had a toy asm language that they used. that and python were the two intro languages < 1362630209 679546 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so um.... I guess there was kinda a good amount of asm < 1362630244 632110 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's related to Sgeo apparently getting some kind of IT degree, though he sure knows a lot of CS so I get confused about what the heck he was actually taught. < 1362630304 8719 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they definitely did a good job at being varied, I mean, there was everything from a class that covered natural deduction and formal logic and stuff (and had no coding!) to scheme and haskell and java and C++ and asm and stuff < 1362630320 255615 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and prolog. prolog says No., fiora, you are not getting an A. < 1362630326 781571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, http://www.farmingdale.edu/academics/business/bcs/courses.shtml < 1362630354 620518 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also get confused that you actually lived in a place called Farmingdale, and I can see cows from my fucking window. < 1362630369 303304 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Programming in Visual Basic " oh you poor dear < 1362630390 127800 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There ... was a C++ one too < 1362630396 257072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why it's not there < 1362630423 782044 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we actually had any courses called 'programming in ' < 1362630431 100227 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like gosh I can't remember any, I don't think they existed < 1362630434 323538 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, they're still there, just not called "C++" < 1362630436 84637 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that seems pretty boring overall < 1362630444 140271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes. < 1362630448 509193 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm let me see if there were any "programming in X" classes at my old school < 1362630465 226635 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the closest we had to that is the intro course was mostly python, and the data structures class was mostly C++ < 1362630466 932989 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also this is available courses, it's not like all of them were mandatory < 1362630475 885296 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course < 1362630490 172146 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: well you're learning programming, not learning a language, at least nominally. < 1362630502 938200 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compilers course used Lisp but it's not like they'd advertise that as "lisp programming" :P < 1362630503 786127 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what I mean < 1362630509 851775 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://schedules.wsu.edu/List/Vancouver/20133/CS < 1362630531 669243 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler course I took used haskell but like. only a little bit of it covered haskell < 1362630533 346654 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha advanced topics is concurrency. < 1362630539 503636 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the professor kind of expected us to magically figure everything out after the first two weeks <.< < 1362630557 144623 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought haskell let you do everything magically?? was i wrong < 1362630566 331260 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah i have a compilers book that uses SML and it's like dude i don't know SML what is this < 1362630621 101182 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :related to haskell: is there a way to keep infinite lists from printing forever because that's pretty much not what I want? < 1362630625 972352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so my memories of haskell are like, a mix of "gosh this is hard and oh gosh how do monads work and aghhhhh" and "wow pattern matching is so cool and the type system and omg" < 1362630636 164944 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, can turn it into a finite list < 1362630643 685398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take 50 yourList < 1362630650 767743 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362630665 872537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Ctrl-C if that's what you mean, although I don't know what the emacs-y version is < 1362630687 901995 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still ctrl-c (inferior-haskell is pretty much just a shell anyway) < 1362630719 451278 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just in CL I can do (setf *print-length* 50) and then when i do something stupid it at least stops. i imagine there's some config option for ghci, just wondering if anybody knows it < 1362630822 92637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Try asking in Haskell? < 1362630838 168996 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i thought this was #haskell < 1362630959 109356 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough, right? XD < 1362631035 388033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like lambdabot just puts an ellipsis there after some characters with no regard to anything. < 1362631104 652409 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362631110 163516 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362631193 518601 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362631199 180858 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362632052 522483 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362632052 672218 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362632746 140745 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362633504 975934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362634913 215979 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362636605 646587 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1362638038 450736 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362638042 331614 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362638087 206587 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362638501 212987 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362638501 743444 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362638501 937721 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362638849 221190 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362638997 585534 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362639553 659698 :applicative_!6c1152c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.17.82.198 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362639582 161829 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362640068 170441 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362640068 607958 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362640068 757503 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362640182 944419 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1362640279 66225 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1362640297 540956 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungot < 1362640310 940075 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :11) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 14) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 15) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. plea < 1362640545 163491 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362640928 61046 :applicative_!6c1152c6@gateway/web/freenode/ip.108.17.82.198 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362641373 141419 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362641374 925835 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SUMMONED < 1362641766 420010 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362641886 502479 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362641921 178335 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362642401 174735 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362643391 390168 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362643430 293804 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spell of summon fungot < 1362643430 811258 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: abstraction by not explicitly renaming anything will interact very poorly and have strange bugs. in that time < 1362643510 780247 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362643780 176675 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362647184 172801 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362648415 770708 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362650260 268 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362651119 980422 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ideone.com/luw5I2 that was kind of funny. (It doesn't do that on *my* 4.7.2.) < 1362651136 743435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I know it's probably a bad, I was just curious.) < 1362651307 464290 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty amazing < 1362653485 56455 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362655553 183009 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362658369 214554 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362658418 986367 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I remembered the lang wih the arrows, it was ziim < 1362660142 266858 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362660321 279441 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362660734 960161 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D5B3.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362662112 653987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( I didn't eat dinner yet and it's now 8:15 AM < 1362662116 25414 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did fall asleep < 1362662117 32489 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1362663191 830051 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362663235 128646 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362663978 109099 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362664955 333879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362666304 8470 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 QUIT : < 1362666397 976179 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362666410 897742 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362666700 937236 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1362666732 468180 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362667151 441289 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362667585 169392 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362667621 219430 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362668565 584333 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362668834 848547 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eep < 1362668854 846052 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another company wants to pay me more than Ipreo (if they hire me), but it's more of a temporary position < 1362670563 183731 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot < 1362670563 370201 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i do not know < 1362670581 435211 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you quoting zzo38 at me fungot < 1362670581 854982 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: i don't believe in wimpy shortcut functions. let them eat their ice cream or water ice on a small board in my case < 1362670671 45706 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hi! < 1362670680 16810 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how are you boily < 1362670683 418913 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: zzo38-hi! < 1362670683 656418 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: what about naivity, then? < 1362670734 359052 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: hungry. some vietnamese demon has been visiting my mind and urging me to eat pho. < 1362670755 721332 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: don't you dare undiaerese naïvity at me, you rambunctious bot! < 1362670756 177132 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: apparently lostchild doesn't msn, since that idea doesn't strike me as being overconfident n00b... so i'm trying to figure out < 1362670756 672078 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i think this demon has your best interests at heart < 1362670789 286040 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it's spelled naïvete actually. i think fungot just misspelled nativity < 1362670789 662732 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: you did it right. " would somebody please find a gimp irc channel and try to infer types < 1362670830 214162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :even fungot agrees i fixed his mistake < 1362670830 364724 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: how is it < 1362670838 947260 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent fungot < 1362670839 439813 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: if i avoid any dependence whatsoever on state held in the surrounding emacs instance, the repl didn't fnord and had these bug guys called fnord < 1362671409 403764 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362671434 742983 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am now addicted to http://www.bonkersworld.net/ < 1362671610 383484 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://developers.google.com/events/io/ < 1362671614 794976 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :click the buttons < 1362671793 939868 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after the wobbly shapes, a game. < 1362671938 933741 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the wobbly shapes. It's not asking to input 13. I got the answer, but only because I was quasi-randomly clicking around < 1362672011 365476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there are all several ones < 1362672015 770212 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :11010011 < 1362672029 246935 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :13,3 < 1362672070 378283 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 0xd3 < 1362672073 8172 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): < 1362672083 568948 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never like Simon as a game < 1362672177 214899 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm used to Simon ending at 10 < 1362672185 900405 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval 0xd3 < 1362672186 390245 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :211 < 1362672186 716917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it was a puzzle in Mutation < 1362672191 597088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I usually cheated) < 1362672896 614388 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what language is metasepia < 1362673124 419797 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you cheat < 1362673127 714610 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :write it down? < 1362673186 608881 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362673218 374272 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1362673235 660568 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's also a chat thing, I just typed the number of each one into the chat bo < 1362673236 967082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :box < 1362673341 385930 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1362673350 923496 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've bought a vaguely popular album < 1362673366 995615 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you buy it? < 1362673371 773505 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amazon < 1362673378 786482 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :digital download? < 1362673386 255219 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, ordered CD < 1362673399 931411 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not too late to cancel the order and pirate it! < 1362673406 339648 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it is! < 1362673413 372810 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm holding the CD! < 1362673416 674908 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I'm not < 1362673419 362416 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm playing the CD < 1362673425 965651 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I've got the CD case here < 1362673458 945907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: haskell. < 1362673482 676618 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362673576 769173 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, I'm beginning to really enjoy Schlock Mercenary < 1362673586 832672 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm up to.. February 2004 < 1362673591 224832 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At two pages a day < 1362673638 775048 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh okay, so in a few more decades you might be caught up < 1362673698 872397 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1362673840 452507 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a tad confused how RhythmBox can only work out the length of one track < 1362673850 866622 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's track 7 < 1362673931 434267 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :CDs actually only store the length of track numbers that are multiples of 7, good cd players use sofisticated heuristics to figure out the rest of it < 1362674352 578505 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I found out recently that the E in "Ngevd" doesn't stand for elliott, after all. < 1362674356 474322 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It stands for eliot. < 1362674360 238753 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362674393 978151 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure the e stands for ngevd, it's a recursive acronym < 1362674457 433897 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that's what the G stands for < 1362674466 72051 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not Nathan Ngevd Ngevd van Doorn < 1362674469 670184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the g? there is no g in ngevd < 1362674477 949229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it starts with a ng < 1362674569 146936 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nguyen Nguyen Engevd van Doorn? < 1362674630 389010 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :NGevd ngEvd ngeVd ngevD < 1362674663 583366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What is ngevd? < 1362674677 591378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'eegan < 1362674683 308162 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's ask HackEgo < 1362674685 780000 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1362674690 395314 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​,WAc;ME6rH7ysF'U@?Dvij\]$5iהV3"4UٛZ5K߲b3QdW#!kftPڭYt< b2KNurL0 \ #{l֒‹qAjr+"֠oYn(XYPBe1DnF!men}$.Ke=֜7,͕tE#CxZ(]zϤ82msċXA.g•G < 1362674695 389604 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, HackEgo! < 1362674702 264203 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, that's Ngevd < 1362674721 404325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362674728 503088 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should correct that italics-screen-urxvt combo bug. < 1362674807 745290 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the what ? < 1362674818 501965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362674835 341967 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :italics are rendered as reverse video in my terminal when I'm in screen, which means all the time. < 1362674847 43507 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1362674863 101896 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, there's a stronghold on the Minecraft server < 1362674873 703242 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is most of your terminal text in italics ? < 1362674940 863683 :hagb4rd|lounge!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362674985 624135 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cookienugget: it usually isn't, as normal text is. I'm just always not far away from a screen session, and when someone ngevds, I like it to be properly rendered. < 1362674992 663523 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's a matter of honour. < 1362675040 318393 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1362675056 659215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: What does the nge stand for? < 1362675096 808045 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Nathan George Eliot" < 1362675151 204632 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not GNU Eliot < 1362675160 911292 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, no < 1362675250 523423 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partially because I am annoyed by how insistent GNU is on tacking itself onto Linux's name when it's used as an OS < 1362675263 95742 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Partially, because, as the ancient war-ballad goes, < 1362675267 563047 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's not my name" < 1362675271 365794 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's not my name" < 1362676048 14004 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :GLASSES PEOPLE < 1362676049 742035 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :INSTRUCT ME < 1362676051 935511 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW DO I GLASSES < 1362676071 660986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Directly. < 1362676085 21164 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That advise does not help. < 1362676090 879349 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :*advice < 1362676095 890098 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even type properly with these fool things. < 1362676146 541534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: OK... Indirectly? < 1362676205 343894 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, have you been playing Sburb and combining a computer with your glasses < 1362676239 285239 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noooooo < 1362676287 943795 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Gregor Homestuck? < 1362676291 72020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If not, he should. < 1362676298 914262 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You people. < 1362676300 775190 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not helpful. < 1362676319 387779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, he should not. < 1362676329 404859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: To be fair your question wasn't helpful either. < 1362676335 767743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help Taneb help you < 1362676345 483485 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have new glasses. < 1362676356 38568 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where by "new" I mean "I have never worn any sort of vision correction in my life" < 1362676364 223928 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... don't get it. < 1362676368 699402 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to glasses., < 1362676395 610760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unfold them, so you get two pointing things hanging out. Put on such that pointy things are above ears < 1362676406 396842 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I got that much. < 1362676424 680084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Oh, I remember that. < 1362676431 717345 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, the pointy things hanging out point downwards < 1362676436 932135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION got glasses -- ~6 years ago? < 1362676441 54505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little less. < 1362676453 485996 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they hook downwards < 1362676463 188288 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: HOW < 1362676466 220527 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: HOW DO YOU GLASSES < 1362676476 290071 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: It sort of happens automatically. < 1362676478 943683 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, try to walk around with them on < 1362676479 418643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it takes a while. < 1362676482 136178 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Or perhaps more importantly, does the adjustment phase end? Because right now everything is much clearer without them. < 1362676489 495529 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: They're not general-purpose, walkin' around sort of glasses. < 1362676492 458099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearer without them? < 1362676498 163143 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1362676501 215185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think we're talking about different things. < 1362676513 492379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine were general-purose, walkin' around sort of glasses. < 1362676524 824289 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, they should be clearer when worn, if a bit confusing < 1362676528 314462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1362676529 187741 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :By my understanding, the concept is the same X-D < 1362676537 552248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, the glasses I've worn aren't really that strong < 1362676538 218075 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got glasses some 18 years ago, I think. < 1362676558 13569 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're not general-purpose because their focal areas (or whatever these are called) are optimized for computer use, not general use. < 1362676566 717950 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they're still supposed to be glasses X-D < 1362676578 598571 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY CRAP IT IS CLEARER WITH THEM ON < 1362676596 566530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg < 1362676598 393994 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just hard to know where/how to look at things. < 1362676598 543444 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that's supposed to happen. < 1362676604 963481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: You're missing out on the experience of looking at trees! < 1362676615 144532 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I can look at trees without glasses >_> < 1362676624 103973 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or I can play Minecraft and look at trees with glasses. < 1362676670 440810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: The experience of seeing Minecraft-looking trees turn into real-world-looking trees when you put your glasses on. < 1362676680 798409 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: My eyes are nowhere near that bad. < 1362676690 291775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine aren't either. < 1362676696 709491 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My trees are much less cubical even without glasses. < 1362676698 791845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it was still quite an experience, looking at trees! < 1362676703 201517 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I have 20/20 vision, I just get eyestrain due to focal issues. < 1362676704 148750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The resolution is approximately Minecrafty, though. < 1362676711 52950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hallways. It's hallways that get me. < 1362676736 801198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get this "holy crap the world is so bright and sharp" feeling every time I clean my glasses, though. (I can manage that maybe once a month, so they're quite... opaque immediately before.) < 1362676738 534461 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not good at reading signs < 1362676739 260470 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My right eye's fine, my left eye isn't. So it's always a trip being able to have real depth perception < 1362676954 347350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got glasses of strength somewhere around -4.0 to -4.5, which is I guess reasonably a lot but not terribly a horribly much. < 1362677158 697053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: Have you considered a monocle? You seem a monocle kind of a guy. < 1362677169 894790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps even two monocles. < 1362677173 424779 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1362677184 484707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe two monocles connected with some kind of a bridge over the nose. < 1362677185 906654 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :And for efficiency, the monocles can be attached via the nose. < 1362677189 336969 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An—damn X-D < 1362677190 582876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :preflex: seen kmc < 1362677237 445583 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, a monocle sounds more appropriate for "computer stuff", too. Glasses for general use, a monocle for operating a computer, that's the general rule. < 1362677359 432890 :hagb4rd|lounge!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monocle, a smoking, a top hat, white gloves and maybe a kind of sword cane < 1362677380 114141 :hagb4rd|lounge!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1362677382 421965 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :co classy < 1362677386 845943 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so < 1362677467 562088 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you thinK? < 1362677504 324877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1362677540 680263 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362677603 176370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362677624 224849 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a smoking" < 1362677627 925599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I ended up taking M60 to the Harlem-125th Metro-North station. < 1362677648 178282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I got on the express train instead of the local train, and went to Yonkers. < 1362677775 41255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like being bonkers, except with Y? < 1362677964 24282 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprisingly, yes. < 1362678002 454547 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: my dictionary says "tuxedo" or "dinner jacket". for that i wonder why we name it "smoking" here in germany. < 1362678021 410263 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Smoking jacket" is a thing. < 1362678028 903218 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362678031 950817 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps "smoking" is a German shortform of that? < 1362678036 530881 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is yes < 1362678044 246127 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there ya go X-D < 1362678050 100059 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool :) < 1362678061 992229 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1362678095 932168 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I have a top hat and white gloves already. < 1362678108 150408 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So all I need is to saw these glasses in half and get a smoking jacket. < 1362678131 834942 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all you need to get a smoking jacket is a book of matches and a regular jacket. < 1362678140 478153 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed! < 1362678347 352290 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qbhwzxgtsutagegl QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362678347 352447 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362678506 365142 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf if io < 1362678529 937762 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is it a game? i have a hard time finding something meaningful to do in the second level. < 1362678588 708822 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh there are multiple second levels. < 1362678589 295288 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1362678596 358344 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like Sgeo said, i suppose. < 1362678667 331643 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1362678723 881707 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362678753 163231 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02D5B3.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362678815 794600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cool < 1362678843 59508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you were not trying to get to yonkers were you < 1362678859 501832 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362678859 882438 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-24-160.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362678860 31924 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362678867 961208 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I was trying to get to Spuyten Duyvil. < 1362678875 936144 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get back? < 1362678907 269112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The conductor wrote me an impromptu ticket back. < 1362679075 863822 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6TVVP-gy1Q < 1362679078 403529 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 this song < 1362679118 897072 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362679334 91654 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362680100 3095 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362680886 598713 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362681276 70305 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362681315 676760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I could understand quantum computing if I learn the monad that someone wrote for it < 1362681440 717714 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a quantum computing monad'd be more useful on a quantum computer < 1362681692 529391 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362681779 516613 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It comes with a simulator < 1362682337 179863 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362683017 996027 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Program received signal SIGTRAP, Trace/breakpoint trap. < 1362683019 49071 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :0x77515655 in ntdll!RtlpSetUserPreferredUILanguages () from C:\Windows\system32\ntdll.dll < 1362683026 821954 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hell is that o_O < 1362683391 996162 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone forgot a breakpoint. < 1362683716 842635 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: Heap block at 00530F60 modified at 00530F6C past requested size of 4 < 1362683730 908649 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :I must be doing something horribly wrong then :D < 1362683752 987458 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: it's difficult to guess how to code in C++ < 1362684266 227249 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362684349 723985 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit :( < 1362684370 49501 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :but interesting that it worked :) < 1362684372 362458 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried and got 14 pages of errors < 1362684380 206525 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foobar* = malloc(sizeof(struct foobar*)); < 1362684384 570835 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362684433 215078 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mroman_: that looks like undefined behavior < 1362684433 640914 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: You have 3 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1362684437 402068 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it is though < 1362684446 34076 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks like a parse error. < 1362684481 62063 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362684484 97835 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :struct foobar *foo = malloc(sizeof *foo); // may be what you wanted < 1362684538 348685 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: how do you define a page? < 1362684553 863845 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: struct foobar* foo = malloc(sizeof(foo*)); is what I did < 1362684555 705585 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably bigger than the standard size < 1362684568 364352 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is wrong < 1362684611 58390 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's still a parse error. < 1362684669 372439 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1362684686 277429 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, if I actually printed this out, it's be just over 9 pages < 1362684732 878343 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what font size? < 1362684738 644794 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what font? < 1362684753 699918 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much padding? < 1362684862 728677 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Size 10, liberation mono, chrome's default < 1362684882 250964 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :10mm at top, 14.5mm at bottom,10mm at sides < 1362684897 432951 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: foo* -> foobar* < 1362684920 507895 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :+ struct < 1362685127 884711 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "foobar"->foobar is apparentely legal < 1362685148 991919 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really legal. < 1362685235 856166 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: distance between lines :)? < 1362685253 612269 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Look, do you just want me to link it to you? < 1362685260 856035 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's fine < 1362685327 901156 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362685345 817679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362685370 508724 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/SBTS < 1362685480 946379 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Enya literally lives in a castle. < 1362685576 637858 :iamcal_!uid1110@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mxsmwkpmlucpegop JOIN :#esoteric < 1362685589 459222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Michael Flatley also wanted that castle < 1362685594 305471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... just... wat. < 1362685855 305041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362687170 801016 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362687178 863722 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362687921 993875 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362688134 175211 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.66.187 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362688326 725895 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Going to go do a pre-interview screening things < 1362688616 20107 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362688813 425559 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362689568 757309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : gregor: my dictionary says "tuxedo" or "dinner jacket". for that i wonder why we name it "smoking" here in germany. <-- it's smoking in norwegian too fwiw < 1362689692 61814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362689742 877972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that was easy < 1362689912 127070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean you have a job now? < 1362689966 953304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just a "technical pre-screen" < 1362690099 44492 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka an x-ray demanded by their insurance company, if you pass you get a _damn_ good health insurance < 1362690105 86536 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What is 1+3?" "If I give you a computer, a hammer and a screwdriver, which tool would you use to open the computer?" < 1362690154 277588 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hammer is nice for when the screwdriver isn't working properly, right? < 1362690161 581301 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, 1+3 is 1+3. Personally I'd use the computer. < 1362690163 119543 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd use the computer to open it. < 1362690171 122718 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. Taneb is quicker than me. < 1362690183 992564 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, great minds think alike! < 1362690216 890029 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :great minds sometimes skip the most obvious jokes. < 1362690229 435308 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a thing where they asked questions and then they see exactly what you type and delete etc < 1362690229 584950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/skip/discard/ < 1362690253 58553 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually have a link to the questions and my answers, but don't know if it's a good idea to just go around sharing it < 1362690257 824220 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, why discard the most obvious < 1362690275 992820 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Discard the most subtle, because nobody's gonna get thsoe < 1362690291 882595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but neither was subtle. < 1362690299 602661 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's the end of the day, and I'm only on my... *count on his fingers*... around 4th cup of coffee, ±2. < 1362690311 328161 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: my brains aren't working anymore. < 1362690344 283948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm on my first half cup of coffee. i didn't want more as my stomach isn't too well. < 1362690374 414645 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on my zeroth < 1362690502 560083 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell quintopia Btw, this lunch's pho was good. I did well to listen to my Vietnamese demon. < 1362690502 726054 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362690522 244273 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily sounds good. but i'm gonna have fried chicken! ha < 1362690522 813251 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362690834 80956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my demon must be from somewhere else, it only wants me to eat children, although none of the restaurants around here serve it. < 1362690874 17345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*serves < 1362690903 925150 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362690950 29118 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362690990 263495 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362691295 213012 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: *serve, "none" uses plural verbs. < 1362691385 893161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this one of those british/american things? < 1362691451 391684 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1362691461 166251 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is one of those correct/incorrect things. < 1362691469 546947 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :"serve" is correct, and "serves" is incorrect. < 1362691472 300060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Usually, a singular verb follows NONE, even if the noun following it is plural." < 1362691506 782646 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um... no? What completely-broken source are you getting that from? < 1362691561 749851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the google summaries for "none verb subject agreement" < 1362691658 387580 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Usually, a singular verb follows NONE, even if the noun following it is plural. However, in < 1362691658 604463 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversational English, a plural noun has become acceptable.” < 1362691660 316655 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh < 1362691662 132986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they both seem right to me < 1362691669 899337 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :1:1: parse error on input `<' < 1362691671 765397 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1362691673 312924 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/sv_agr.htm is more subtle. < 1362691676 225824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh come on < 1362691678 188087 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :1:1: parse error on input `<' < 1362691680 6782 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input `<' < 1362691686 16109 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "serves" is what I taught as a tutor < 1362691687 86483 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: You have 4 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1362691693 836021 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nice < 1362691699 64321 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1362691699 526364 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott asked 2m 27d 14h 55m 5s ago: is the description for quintopia_a on the strategies page up-to-date for space_hotel? < 1362691699 683158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 2m 14d 6h 9m 12s ago: I made a program based on what we discussed, and a few other concepts too; see ais523_stealth < 1362691699 834984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 said 27d 18h 42m 27s ago: I just beat space_hotel by over 10 score :) Can you remember when anticipation2 topped the hill (2012, or 2013)? I want to write about it and about omnipotence < 1362691699 835173 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 19m 57s ago: Btw, this lunch's pho was good. I did well to listen to my Vietnamese demon. < 1362691712 857642 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :24 days huh < 1362691714 145932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) foobar < 1362691714 642059 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |value error: foobar < 1362691723 514168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) Sgeo: |value error: foobar < 1362691724 4234 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |spelling error < 1362691724 154069 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | Sgeo: |value error: foobar < 1362691724 154309 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | ^ < 1362691730 776230 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Mannerisky still visit #esoteric? < 1362691730 967380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) Sgeo: |spelling error < 1362691731 455207 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: |spelling error < 1362691731 606851 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | Sgeo: |spelling error < 1362691731 607025 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: | ^ < 1362691749 201000 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you, multiline errors < 1362691857 330890 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Hmm < 1362691858 992568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Hmm' < 1362691872 337727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Not in scope: data constructor `Not' < 1362691873 999106 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:5: parse error on input `in' < 1362691879 984211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn < 1362691916 923970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fnord < 1362691918 576170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1362691921 165026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fnord < 1362691922 834607 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `fnord' < 1362691999 371215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show < 1362692000 856633 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (a0 -> GHC.Base.String)) < 1362692001 6655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a u... < 1362692021 503071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1362692024 449187 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Nothing < 1362692026 113859 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1362692026 586755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should make a Haskell program to make error quines < 1362692028 444666 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a quine! < 1362692054 265288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: but not an error < 1362692056 259962 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remotely functional languages really take the fun out of quines :'( < 1362692059 418422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> error "hm" < 1362692061 92928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: hm < 1362692185 274369 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> :1:1: parse error on input `<' < 1362692186 642038 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:1: parse error on input `<' < 1362692190 608976 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's all i can find :( < 1362692228 182955 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's any error quines that aren't parse errors < 1362692255 179753 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> not in scope < 1362692257 281424 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:5: parse error on input `in' < 1362692262 18576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> not scope < 1362692264 6668 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `scope' < 1362692277 974961 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That in causes parse errors, unless you can find a way to work around it < 1362692291 107351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or find an error other than not in scope errors < 1362692304 75934 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (a0 -> GHC.Base.String)) < 1362692305 996008 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:4: parse error on input `instance' < 1362692307 75439 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362692318 273144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't use no instance errors < 1362692323 478559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fromJust Nothing < 1362692325 466018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Maybe.fromJust: Nothing < 1362692333 287723 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would probably be a parse error < 1362692430 332251 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you have a corpus of text to train an AI with < 1362692453 780356 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (:1:59: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1362692455 179137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:59: parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) < 1362692455 418286 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And let's say that corpus of text is fungot's collected wisdom. < 1362692456 1229 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i don't even have to be loaded. thus loading the srfis is implementation-dependant and not portable for every goddamn thing we suggest. i've just got home and called me away from my reading list for too long < 1362692456 176683 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you take an input sentence and determine which words are "the most interesting"? < 1362692482 603467 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look for the least frequent ones? < 1362692485 102963 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362692506 836239 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interesting to what? For what? < 1362692584 392089 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :my guess would be that you lookup each word from the input sentence in your corpus and determine their frequency of occurence, then calculate the standard deviation of all the words' frequencies and accept only words below a threshhold < 1362692588 388894 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> can't find file: L.hs < 1362692588 716919 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> can't find file: L.hs < 1362692590 203268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: L.hs: removeLink: does not exist (No such file or directory) < 1362692590 375244 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `can't'Not in scope: `file'Not in scope: `L.hs' < 1362692596 144537 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362692602 372272 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :close enough. you get the idea < 1362692659 619779 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: interesting for the purposes of making a passable chat bot that can reply to things < 1362692693 408869 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1*undefined < 1362692695 585585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1362692702 851859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> e*undefined < 1362692704 852550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : e * *Exception: Prelude.undefined < 1362692705 721246 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :onedefined < 1362692714 472170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1362692745 924313 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> e < 1362692747 655759 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : e < 1362692749 669982 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t e < 1362692751 330749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr < 1362692892 518459 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you want 2 markov models < 1362692898 808070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$ap(++)show"var$ap(++)show" < 1362692899 4066 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that you can construct a sentence "around" a given keyword < 1362692901 868542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : var$ap(++)show"var$ap(++)show" < 1362692904 367416 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff before and the stuff after < 1362692925 269318 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that only works with one keyword. not sure how you could incorporate multiple keywords into this process < 1362692925 904333 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@type var < 1362692927 594445 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Sym a < 1362692990 156239 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var$(++)<*>show$"var$(++)<*>show$" < 1362692992 602005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : var$(++)<*>show$"var$(++)<*>show$" < 1362693039 921695 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362693172 433062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fun < 1362693173 618256 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FromExpr a => String -> a < 1362693174 149483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :13:16 > mueval: recoverEncode: invаlid argument (invalid character) < 1362693183 646725 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> mueval: recoverEncode: invаlid argument (invalid character) < 1362693184 252406 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1362693188 717765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sadly it's not a real quine. < 1362693197 353421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join fun"join fun"::Expr < 1362693198 988049 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : join fun "join fun" < 1362693216 544425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> join fun"join fun" < 1362693218 50268 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraints: < 1362693218 231681 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1362693218 381720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1362693222 381039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sad < 1362693248 140879 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: because of the extra space? < 1362693255 955191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t expr < 1362693257 138737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Expr -> Expr < 1362693258 692215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, because it's different text. < 1362693259 509323 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362693282 682974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> expr$join fun "expr$join fun" < 1362693284 226115 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : expr$join fun "expr$join fun" < 1362693334 1075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> expr.join fun$ "expr.join fun$" < 1362693336 182070 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : expr.join fun$ "expr.join fun$" < 1362693436 236088 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-14-30.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362693516 818563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sym < 1362693518 158378 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `sym' < 1362693518 308168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1362693518 308360 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `sum' (imported from Data.List), < 1362693747 777179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "(++)??show"&(++)??show < 1362693749 334959 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> b0' < 1362693749 491949 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `[GHC... < 1362693755 678987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&) < 1362693757 244583 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> (a -> b) -> b < 1362693766 902330 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362693771 468988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (??) < 1362693772 857409 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f (a -> b) -> a -> f b < 1362693872 527745 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1362693893 365203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "&([show,id]=<<)"&([show,id]=<<) < 1362693894 857867 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char -> [b0]' < 1362693895 7338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with act... < 1362693913 405998 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (??) < 1362693914 282778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keyword ?? < 1362693915 980872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1362693926 222930 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf lambdabot < 1362693942 387735 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "&(??)[show,id]"&(??)[show,id] < 1362693944 252554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["\"&(??)[show,id]\"","&(??)[show,id]"] < 1362693947 821175 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1362693948 11164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362693953 209175 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362693996 58064 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "&var.sequence[show,id]"&var.sequence[show,id] < 1362693997 559021 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' < 1362693997 754582 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type... < 1362694010 671397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow i don't seem to get this < 1362694015 79215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's from lens < 1362694080 772515 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362694126 154883 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0&) < 1362694127 663971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Control.Lens.Combinators.&' [infixl 1] of a section < 1362694127 813363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : must... < 1362694333 91733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "&var&(??)join$fun.show.show" &var&(??)join$fun.show.show < 1362694334 792920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraints: < 1362694334 942532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Show.Show a0) < 1362694334 942728 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ... < 1362694559 275217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0=<<) < 1362694560 746561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Control.Monad.=<<' [infixr 1] of a section < 1362694560 896170 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have low... < 1362694565 138071 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0>>=) < 1362694566 698417 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `GHC.Base.>>=' [infixl 1] of a section < 1362694566 852866 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower pr... < 1362694647 959171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0??) < 1362694649 491297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Control.Lens.Combinators.??' [infixl 1] of a section < 1362694649 653753 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mus... < 1362694900 473961 :momech!~moumescho@92.red-83-44-151.dynamicip.rima-tde.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362695071 166193 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "& fun.show <*> expr & expr" & fun.show <*> expr & expr < 1362695072 840263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]' < 1362695072 990172 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual ty... < 1362695097 47996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0<*>) < 1362695098 556561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Control.Applicative.<*>' [infixl 4] of a section < 1362695098 721407 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : must ha... < 1362695125 203039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "& fun.show <*> expr & expr" & fun.show <*> expr < 1362695126 691628 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[GHC.Types.Char]' < 1362695126 841610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual ty... < 1362695136 812696 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fun.show <*> expr < 1362695138 331093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show < 1362695138 502139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Debug.SimpleReflect.Exp... < 1362695142 619595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t fun.show <*> expr < 1362695143 789000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FromExpr b => Expr -> b < 1362695158 938202 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doh < 1362695186 708930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "& fun.show <*> var & expr" & fun.show <*> var & expr < 1362695188 925159 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "& fun.show <*> var & expr" & fun.show <*> var & expr < 1362695283 314067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go. < 1362695334 968911 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362695943 52517 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362695948 824059 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362696179 872069 :momech!~moumescho@92.red-83-44-151.dynamicip.rima-tde.net PART #esoteric :":wq" < 1362696194 796891 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362696791 918454 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362697339 679900 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362699912 842071 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362700075 187320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :03:32:25 elliott: narcolepsy is not that fun < 1362700080 310143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it sounds convenient! < 1362700093 575817 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it really isn't < 1362700111 875298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least it couldn't make my sleep schedule any worse :P < 1362700135 381278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are headphones that adjust volume to prevent hearing loss, right? < 1362700167 818798 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not on meds: feeling really tired all day, having trouble focusing and thinking well, falling asleep for random time periods in the evening, totally throwing my sleep schedule off, and making me end up awake at 12 AM to 5 AM which is... when none of my friends are awake and then it's all lonely < 1362700195 686040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make differently-scheduled friends. < 1362700204 944910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok narcolepsy probably wouldn't be an improvement < 1362700214 175775 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on meds: hyperfocused, even more anxiety than usual, nervousness < 1362700214 628527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my sleep schedule is roughly that bad to start with < 1362700242 201094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a special kind of narcolepsy where it only makes you go to sleep when you should be sleeping, i could go for that < 1362700262 149423 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1362700277 482950 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(to be fair I'm not sure which I'd prefer, not being able to sleep is pretty awful too) < 1362700293 583776 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see my Inv isomorphisms thingy; if so: was it really related to lenses somehow < 1362700296 276992 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's easy to emulate: try to nap around 5 hours after taking meds <.< < 1362700330 513106 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I can confirm that it is possible to fix sleep cycles < 1362700338 460341 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current sleep cycle is quite good < 1362700367 24087 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in college sgeo only got irrational time intervals of sleep. very unpleasant < 1362700375 33840 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could probably fix mine with enough dedication and willpower but the problem is that i am by far the most productive when i should be sleeping < 1362700381 837805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it is kind of bad either way :( < 1362700403 200791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, lose a few days of productivity so that you can be productive when you shouldn't be sleeping < 1362700403 595526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/dedication/medication/ < 1362700406 969677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good typo < 1362700427 400600 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is quiet at night < 1362700449 352690 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noise and distractions are a things that happens mostly when others are awake < 1362700451 5873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: in my experience I am pretty much only ever motivated to/good at programming late at night < 1362700457 448963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could wake up really early < 1362700462 324123 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/ a / / < 1362700464 902891 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you judging the programming late at night also < 1362700483 596190 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what are you implying!!! < 1362700487 290996 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you learn Haskell yet < 1362700497 354981 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'elliott < 1362700514 680241 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i've got most of it now what are these "type" things < 1362700515 826443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slowly recovering from my lackofsleeping. < 1362700517 158880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle zipWithin < 1362700517 704764 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1362700525 440065 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hayoo needs to be a command < 1362700525 781033 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1362700533 964575 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or more concretely: i'm curious how cases where one of the cases is an object instead of a constructor pattern works < 1362700534 931717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Types are a lie. < 1362700548 960315 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it get lifted to a typeish thing < 1362700553 403938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what do you mean by object? < 1362700579 524606 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just like the basic case n of {0 -> 1; n -> n * fact (n - 1)} < 1362700592 212258 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm assuming Integer isn't actually defined as blablapeano) < 1362700602 917969 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretend that numbers are constructors < 1362700603 689861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which part of that is the object? < 1362700608 482346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The zero. < 1362700621 853523 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1362700625 107183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :object is a bad word for that < 1362700630 802785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern-matching on numbers is just a special case. < 1362700631 671414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like you're saying what if it's a "primitive type" < 1362700635 235580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It gets turned into == < 1362700635 392892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in this case it just becomes < 1362700641 178164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if n == 0 then 1 else n * fact (n - 1) < 1362700648 229090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Except it gets turned into something else with GHC and Ints.) < 1362700651 120828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is about number literals yeah < 1362700662 378871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for something like Char or whatever I guess < 1362700684 318397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that that "case n" works even if n is a peano numeral or whatever! < 1362700687 819500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as long as you have a Num instance < 1362700690 379024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and an Eq instance < 1362700692 480222 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it works for case x of {[4] -> [5]; x:xs -> xs} too, I mean. < 1362700700 188004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Char is not overloaded so its definition doesn't need to mention (==) < 1362700712 765661 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, because you're pattern-matching on a list and then on a number. < 1362700725 657938 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we've already said what pattern-matching on a number is like. < 1362700725 825954 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or some thing not involving typeclasses not that that's probably actually relevant < 1362700739 725473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: data [a] = [] | a : [a] < 1362700744 371743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :data List a = Nil | Cons a (List a) < 1362700751 637843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the constructors have a funky name but that's really all they are < 1362700756 837012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :[1,2,3] is just sugar for 1:2:3:[] < 1362700765 363097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Language primitives that have special-cased expression syntax -- like lists, numbers, Char, String, ... -- usually also have special-case number syntax. < 1362700766 293017 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, but so you can match on literals? < 1362700774 2104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just how it is. < 1362700788 639522 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is only sugar, though; for the most part ADTs are what counts. < 1362700789 789280 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: data Foo = Bar Int String < 1362700797 261237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :case x of {Bar n xs -> ...} < 1362700806 33801 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no difference between that and matching on lists really < 1362700835 680437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Except lists have a magic syntax. < 1362700839 424648 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can do that recursively, like case x of {Bar 0 xs -> ...; Bar n xs -> ...} works. Right? < 1362700847 559626 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362700848 443339 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x] meaning (x:[]), and so on. < 1362700864 462338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's not really recursively, but yes < 1362700870 133382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh you mean the 0 inside the n < 1362700873 645330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Well, the definition of pattern matching is recursive. < 1362700875 950052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well you know how expressions are made out of more expressions < 1362700879 194242 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm just thinking of the definition < 1362700885 864123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like if you write Bar 123 "abc" that's because in (Bar x y) x and y are expressions < 1362700886 723553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo = Bar Int String < 1362700893 49359 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :patterns are just like expressions in that manner < 1362700894 269309 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pattern = literal | constructor patterns" or some shit < 1362700896 74205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When you match on (Bar x y), x and y are also patterns. < 1362700910 405913 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pat = variable | literal | constructor_name pat ... < 1362700912 88950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Or variables, or a bunch of other things. < 1362700923 986565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exp = variable | literal | constructor_name exp ... | exp exp (function application) < 1362700926 955611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so on < 1362700937 181898 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: i sense your correspondent is overly optimistic :P http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/19kjr5/fizzbuzz_revisited_using_rust/c8qx721?context=3 < 1362700954 977500 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I downloaded a copy just in case :) < 1362701062 5657 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: What is there besides variables < 1362701064 796125 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*? < 1362701070 278958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote also did you learn Haskell yet i think i've got most of it now what are these "type" things < 1362701073 994865 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :980) also did you learn Haskell yet i think i've got most of it now what are these "type" things < 1362701091 998951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: @ patterns < 1362701094 696722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, other things. < 1362701106 199879 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only actually as far as comprehensions in lyah by the way, i just got bored about learning how to deal with linked lists for the seventh time < 1362701117 411971 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/onlinereport/haskell2010/haskellch3.html#x8-580003.17 < 1362701161 987470 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [3 | 3 <- [3,1,2,3,1]] < 1362701164 300415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,3] < 1362701175 151307 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irrefutable patterns were those things y'all were mucking about with a few days ago, eh < 1362701189 601647 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ i recently realized how this is a valid list comprehension because of how pattern matching works. it was enlightening < 1362701321 899818 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to have a hard time thinking of "linear" as linear logic and not linear operators, and also what nooodl_ did there which i'm sure is extremely important < 1362701337 639724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not extremely important < 1362701343 399487 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is a better example of how pattern matching in list comprehensions works: < 1362701345 466133 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! < 1362701347 118544 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x | (0,x) <- [(0,1),(1,2),(0,3),(1,4)]] < 1362701347 401307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it matches every element of the list against 3, if it fails the pattern doesn't match < 1362701348 741972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,3] < 1362701350 404963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1362701354 856457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and it "skips it") < 1362701359 860079 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. That's kind of weird. < 1362701376 610105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let [x1,x2,x3]@(_:test) = [1,2,3] in (x1,x2,x3,test) < 1362701378 328638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:15: parse error on input `@' < 1362701378 580919 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hooray, fail! < 1362701381 870828 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ["hello" ++ x | Just x <- [Nothing, Nothing, Just "hi", Just "bye", Nothnig]] < 1362701383 764266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `Nothnig' < 1362701383 913710 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `Nothing' (impo... < 1362701386 643695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ["hello" ++ x | Just x <- [Nothing, Nothing, Just "hi", Just "bye", Nothing]] < 1362701388 736124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bah @ takes only a variable to the left < 1362701389 210638 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["hellohi","hellobye"] < 1362701390 243094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fail "the best function" < 1362701394 177738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ridiculous, eh? < 1362701417 75821 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it is once you think about it, but i guess it doesn't come up much. < 1362701420 137306 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think ski thinks it should take an expression to the left < 1362701427 650221 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I ask how exception handlin works now or put it off hmmmmmmmmmm put it off < 1362701430 886235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1362701437 817847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's no exceptions here < 1362701442 143414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at all < 1362701450 786525 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er? < 1362701485 322822 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1362701492 926063 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no exceptions where < 1362701507 733696 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An expression? < 1362701527 503266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: fail is totally "throw an exception", man. < 1362701533 374346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :FSVO "exception" < 1362701540 773927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"exception" can mean pretty much anything in Haskell. < 1362701559 212580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo :: Maybe Int -- foo either computes an Int or throws an exception < 1362701559 362046 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyah is going to tell me that this is not at all like your c++ man!! isn't it < 1362701577 432442 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: an expression, how would that work? < 1362701580 48440 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right monads < 1362701591 994801 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In the first versions of Haskell, the comprehension syntax was available for all monads." < 1362701594 926226 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds neat < 1362701614 343375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: It's back in GHC! < 1362701614 513956 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's on the wiki page for "List comprehension") < 1362701615 319138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let x1:test@[x2,x3] = [1,2,3] in (x1,x2,x3,test) -- it can be rewritten anyhow < 1362701616 945307 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (1,2,3,[2,3]) < 1362701617 970861 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I forget, maybe I was wrong < 1362701618 638788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :-XMonadComprehensions < 1362701652 542618 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: are they useful, though < 1362701664 708694 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what is it with nerds and language wars < 1362701688 991757 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [x | x <- Just "test"] < 1362701690 457537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[t0]' < 1362701690 623703 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Data.May... < 1362701700 81264 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. It's kind of boring. But also probably why I'm nominally learning Haskell. < 1362701701 403194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not turned on in lambdabot :( < 1362701702 164479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo English is the worst < 1362701724 117683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanna wrestle on the floor about it < 1362701726 873643 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362701741 291813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1362701744 970153 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many millions of programmer-hours have been wasted debating C vs C++ <.< < 1362701746 986543 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are irrefutable patterns for? < 1362701758 971667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Laziness. < 1362701777 790072 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are two "different" cases here. < 1362701785 157772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The case where you have a sum type and the case where you don't. < 1362701839 339378 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i choose the middle ground: C+ < 1362701869 725641 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :microtones? i like microtones. < 1362701871 470532 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, you need to study harder! you won't get into a good college with grades like those! < 1362701899 996710 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I'm tempted to ask you how you think I did on my technical pre-screening thing < 1362701900 719433 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks for half-sharp in unicode < 1362701925 407141 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"somewhat sharp"? < 1362701952 210847 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's halfway between natural and sharp. It comes up in tuning systems that aren't 12-TET. < 1362701967 29645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: how would I know? < 1362701969 154956 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Arabic_music_notation_half_sharp.svg You're failing me, Unicode. < 1362701971 80433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They should make "S Sharp" and spell it ß. < 1362701981 45175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, because I can link you to the questions and my responses < 1362701994 118942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaßaf < 1362701995 253684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: 1D12A MUSICAL SYMBOL DOUBLE SHARP [𝄪] < 1362702000 415762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close enough? < 1362702009 299158 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sharp envelope paradox. < 1362702009 712605 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/𝄪 < 1362702015 579953 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably won't have time right now < 1362702018 981955 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: you know about how H is used in German muzik right < 1362702027 148210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :F# A# ∞ < 1362702041 166346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good album (except you used the wrong characters!!!!!) < 1362702044 310686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know :( < 1362702048 843383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, ok < 1362702052 95465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :F♯ A♯ ∞ ? < 1362702060 871059 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1362702076 427123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :F≠ < 1362702083 797358 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :C≠, rather < 1362702131 997433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :life tip talk about other gybe albums to avoid having to type the fucking thing otu < 1362702143 190657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this life tip comes at the low low cost of free < 1362702189 866298 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I can remember any of the other album titles. I just kind of string together some words involving explosions or fire or death or just sort of making a low droning sound with my mouth, and figure that's close enough. < 1362702639 87174 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362702639 387961 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362702639 388141 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362702639 842700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that may be a life tip but would you call it a 'life hack' < 1362702640 178108 :pikhq_!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362702640 178270 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362702640 328291 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362702642 320248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1362702645 759336 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362702645 969749 :quintopia!~quintopia@74.117.159.204 QUIT :Changing host < 1362702646 119390 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1362702653 242879 :elliott_!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1362702653 541855 :elliott_!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: life hack: call all your life hacks life tips < 1362702653 542027 :elliott_!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd NICK :elliott < 1362702666 145598 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362702683 425560 :elliott!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd NICK :Guest79759 < 1362702690 291976 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That haskell.org page has the example of "(\ ~[x] -> x) [] ⇒ ⊥". Is it defined what that divergence means? Could an implementation just loop forever instead of coming back to tell me I'm an idiot? < 1362702697 749629 :Guest79759!elliott@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Client Quit < 1362702707 843740 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1362702721 101886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1362702729 553494 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok. < 1362702734 611484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :To the second question, that is. < 1362702740 216654 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. < 1362702756 149080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's defined in such a way that looping forever and coming backt to tell you you're an idiot are considered equivalent. < 1362702769 88985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that in GHC this isn't true, since it lets you "catch" these things. < 1362702791 958040 :elliott_!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1362702793 462425 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see... if x is an expression with undefined behavior and y is non-strict than y x can have a defined result. < 1362702800 958195 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362702801 275338 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then? eh < 1362702818 66070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By "undefined behavior" do you mean the C sense or the "behaves like undefined" sense. < 1362702825 475920 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the former < 1362702832 991951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/B/b/ s/.$// < 1362702842 457359 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The former. < 1362702868 367430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think a failed pattern match is undefined behavior in that sense? < 1362702880 866835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I might be wrong. I don't really know anything. < 1362702889 225985 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's defined to diverge and that's it, apparently? < 1362703143 633756 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362703154 587062 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362703154 737011 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1362703154 737259 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362703271 688893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a _refutable_ pattern match doesn't diverge if it fails, mind you, as long as there are further alternative patterns to try < 1362703286 718305 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1362703295 614476 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't be very good pattern matching if it only tried once.. < 1362703353 97390 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise, divergence is essentially just another synonym for what we haskellers call "undefined" and "bottom". the haskell language report doesn't bother to distinguish different "program crashing" failure modes. < 1362703394 366209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362703411 432215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although ghc's exception mechanism is based on someone writing a paper making just such extra distinctions. < 1362703423 567034 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1362703470 56145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although one that sometimes gives a nondeterministic result) < 1362703481 548772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ones < 1362703488 131507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*give < 1362703747 120547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... denotationally, an expression's meaning is either a value or a /set/ of possible exceptions < 1362703776 134224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the 'catch' operator picks one of those nondeterministically < 1362703788 634886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's fine because you only get it as the result of an IO action, and those are allowed to be nondeterministic < 1362703828 705876 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This catch thing isn't standard Haskell? < 1362703850 262931 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle catch < 1362703850 570896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude catch :: IO a -> (IOError -> IO a) -> IO a < 1362703850 734130 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO.Error catch :: IO a -> (IOError -> IO a) -> IO a < 1362703850 883972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.OldException catch :: IO a -> (Exception -> IO a) -> IO a < 1362703854 814557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc standard Haskell has only a really primitive exception mechanism for IOErrors < 1362703866 672070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way to catch an exception thrown by pure evaluation, e.g. error / undefined < 1362703870 755732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle+ < 1362703870 919757 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception.Base catch :: Exception e => IO a -> (e -> IO a) -> IO a < 1362703871 69359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception catch :: Exception e => IO a -> (e -> IO a) -> IO a < 1362703871 69559 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.OldException catchDyn :: Typeable exception => IO a -> (exception -> IO a) -> IO a < 1362703873 710543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nor divide by zero, etc < 1362703884 99477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing ghc is so huge then i guess < 1362703889 103815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know, right < 1362703917 27378 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember standard ML having some decent exceptions stuff but I forgot. < 1362703923 532691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC also does asynchronous exceptions -- one thread can cause another thread to throw an exception wherever it's currently executing < 1362703932 46999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which causes additional problems < 1362703958 624557 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, awesome. < 1362703974 688192 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh on that note, are threads standard? < 1362703976 652221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to avoid race conditions when setting up exn handlers, GHC lets you temporarly suspend / unsuspend processing of async exns < 1362703979 615043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362703994 201302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :async exns also include things like stack / heap overflow < 1362703999 993204 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Concurrent Haskell is standard-ish, but it's not part of the report. < 1362704047 74557 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had the vague idea that concurrent haskell involved concurrency mechanisms less wacked out then threads < 1362704066 284871 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are threads wacked out? < 1362704083 149059 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone complains about 'em < 1362704113 646553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because they suck in other languages < 1362704130 204281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC has put a /lot/ of effort into making threads that don't suck < 1362704130 861862 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362704134 971990 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and history will pass it by for it < 1362704140 772280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because Everyone Knows that threads suck < 1362704140 921642 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :u bitter < 1362704145 665851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: just a little < 1362704160 232951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shared memory multiprocessing is sort of a lie though < 1362704161 354664 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362704169 716132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unclear this abstraction remains useful < 1362704197 529008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when your "shared memory" is actually a cache coherence protocol implemented between multiple processors and NUMA domains < 1362704204 845105 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :our machines are really distributed systems < 1362704236 48716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe it's best to use a one-process-per-core model, and then it's easier to scale up past 1 machine as well < 1362704276 862361 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably make a bit clearer (like it's not) than I know jack all about concurrency, I just heard that threads aren't the best model. < 1362704330 473771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes you just want parallel evaluation, not concurrent semantics, and GHC has something else for that < 1362704333 381884 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's finicky < 1362704334 585166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a "thread"? < 1362704347 25252 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a thread of execution? < 1362704357 943980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A thread of execution of execution? < 1362704362 438427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an OS level thread, which has a lot of baggage associated with it? Is it a conceptual separate execution? < 1362704364 662003 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes exactly < 1362704369 214513 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just mean generally < 1362704377 148130 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as opposed to i don't know, mapreducey primitives < 1362704382 360642 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :connection machine hilarity < 1362704394 894619 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the people saying that threads suck speaking in general or with a view of OS threads? < 1362704406 538598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1362704410 845189 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general probably, as a conceptual thing < 1362704412 153519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone all the time is saying wrong things < 1362704412 877739 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't map-reduce more about parallelism? < 1362704413 317842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everywhere < 1362704415 360620 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :including me < 1362704432 553101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :♫ < 1362704441 390105 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, i don't even remember what parallelism versus concurrency means (everybody saying wrong things more like me saying wrong things) < 1362704458 361613 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people argue about those words too < 1362704465 116504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but according to GHC devs at least < 1362704468 927950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :concurrency is semantics < 1362704481 112421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :parallelism is implementation detail < 1362704494 237198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have parallel evaluation of expressions without any change in semantics < 1362704503 546663 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mapreduce seems pretty semantic to me... < 1362704512 35662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you can have concurrent semantics without truly executing stuff at the same time < 1362704517 112261 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you can have semantic concurrency on a single-core machine < 1362704520 325288 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362704526 16602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there is parallel haskell stuff thingy < 1362704529 252208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is higher-level < 1362704533 633631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl tho < 1362704534 70668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but for "different stuff" < 1362704537 75224 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy levels < 1362704608 932379 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If you have a mapreducey thing you can execute it all sequentially or in parallel for speed. < 1362704612 460188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm blown away by how fucking tired i am < 1362704614 106398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get the same results either way. < 1362704665 525163 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1362704672 52755 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh i told you to sleep? way to drop the ball. < 1362704683 740782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was yesterday Bike < 1362704687 228749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a new man < 1362704695 92617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: go to sleep < 1362704709 955760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime elliott < 1362704711 788727 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Mar 8 01:05:10 2013 < 1362704757 254451 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime HackEgo < 1362704763 238694 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't we already have a talk about privacy? < 1362704771 581397 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And by we I mean you and elliott, I wasn't paying attention < 1362704981 77488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love how Lojban has multiple words for 'we' < 1362704987 80388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One that includes 'you' and one that doesn't < 1362704987 825049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1362705003 440028 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lojban is the only language that makes that distinction? < 1362705011 853815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You enter the sauna. After several hours, you come out a changed man.[Your score just went up by 25 points, for a total of 250.] You have with you a changed plant. < 1362705050 94300 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I'm not a linguist :/ < 1362705141 189663 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_and_exclusive_we there we go. < 1362705148 176422 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clusivity. Awesome. < 1362705370 838575 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362705687 280137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It bothers me a little that with Applicatives, there are a lot of functions with same or similar types that do different things < 1362705778 600007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, didn't you tell me that <**> isn't just flip (<*>)? < 1362705785 858508 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Docs say "A variant of '<*>' with the arguments reversed." < 1362705842 980156 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1, 2, 3] <|> [4,5,6] < 1362705844 925460 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6] < 1362705851 336728 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> some [1,2] < 1362705855 393030 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1362705859 81464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> many [1,2] < 1362705863 139022 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1362705876 333993 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<|>) < 1362705877 530780 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> optional [1,2] < 1362705877 949984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative f => f a -> f a -> f a < 1362705879 572549 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Just 1,Just 2,Nothing] < 1362705895 158661 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Alternative < 1362705895 483047 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Applicative f => Alternative f where < 1362705895 632687 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : empty :: f a < 1362705895 632861 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (<|>) :: f a -> f a -> f a < 1362705961 528071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ordering < 1362705969 828666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p <**> q runs p then q < 1362705980 371220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q <*> p runs q then p < 1362705996 211548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Docs should be fixed < 1362706003 323010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To make that clear < 1362706045 981689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :send a patch < 1362706195 895452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I read Write Yourself a Scheme in 48 Hours? < 1362706271 83993 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you already know haskell and scheme < 1362706427 258212 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's entirely possible < 1362707092 929133 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you spj yet < 1362707117 195433 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a waking nightmare last night where the darkness of my room only resolved as slowly shrinking hexagons. < 1362707277 254624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that about Super Hexagon < 1362707287 836563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried it and it seemed pointless? < 1362707332 619225 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362707399 630206 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4B8i7k3e < 1362707426 665981 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1362707549 807154 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think <* is sexy and imperative programmers might like it < 1362707569 399172 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess Lispers tend to already have something like it < 1362707585 131888 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1362707588 998559 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean <*> or is there also an operator called <* for some godforsaken reason < 1362707594 118431 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latter < 1362707609 638153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has the same type as flip (*>) but behaves differently < 1362707617 428109 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<*) < 1362707618 835530 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => f a -> f b -> f a < 1362707622 721151 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you jokin < 1362707627 14297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I'm wrong. < 1362707633 824452 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (*>) < 1362707635 121129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => f a -> f b -> f b < 1362707649 213885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm right. < 1362707652 217331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, yeah, you were wrong. About being WRONG < 1362707673 290842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A DIFFERENT TYPE IF YOU DON'T COUNT ALPHA-RENAMING < 1362707705 116230 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Applicative < 1362707705 278929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Functor f => Applicative f where < 1362707705 449836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : pure :: a -> f a < 1362707705 599329 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (<*>) :: f (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1362707760 60962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: other operators that exist: <$> <$ >> <> >>> <<< <**> < 1362707769 928034 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1362707778 338972 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($>) < 1362707779 636246 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `$>' < 1362707779 785766 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1362707779 785952 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `$' (imported from Data.Function), `$!' (imported from Prelude), < 1362707782 867356 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit < 1362707785 932951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :<< does not exist, partly because no one agrees on whether it should behave like (*>) or like flip (<*) < 1362707801 397399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, switch those. < 1362707803 216282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(<$) exists in Control.Comonad but not in base < 1362707806 824294 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't it just be shift WHAT ABOUT THE GOOD OLD DAYS MAN < 1362707916 61779 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<* is kind of like prog1 < 1362707973 149184 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 4 <* 5 -- somehow i doubt this is going to work < 1362707974 817342 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (f b0)) < 1362707974 967225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity check f... < 1362707979 907800 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rite < 1362707986 384500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could give an instance that made that work < 1362707986 624215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Bike" <* "hi" < 1362707988 505166 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "BBiikkee" < 1362707990 547513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<$) < 1362707991 815158 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => a -> f b -> f a < 1362708004 448961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0<$) < 1362708005 974075 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `GHC.Base.<$' [infixl 4] of a section < 1362708006 123895 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : must have lower pre... < 1362708007 384139 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo i must say that is like no prog1 i've heard of < 1362708022 465355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes it does. < 1362708032 884053 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a proge1 < 1362708035 631166 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prog1 hardly seems very haskelly anyway < 1362708050 260271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ? < 1362708052 797827 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: execute first expression, execute rest of expressions, return first result, the end < 1362708061 524443 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's like prog1 if it only took two arguments. < 1362708074 422973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if you extend the idea of "execution" a lot. < 1362708083 305185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And of "return".) < 1362708084 37325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "Bike" <* "hello" < 1362708085 638839 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "BBBBBiiiiikkkkkeeeee" < 1362708089 446651 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the thing where it's funny with list is because of this "extension" of the idea of "Execution" < 1362708090 578581 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is an exciting extension! < 1362708095 964809 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1362708100 694859 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It's nondeterminism. < 1362708106 955150 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, http://ideone.com/XiY5Sj < 1362708113 665384 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think of it as forking a thread for each letter of "hello"! < 1362708130 213547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except it's deterministic nondeterminism, so it all comes out nicely interleaved in the end. < 1362708133 880216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "Execution" < 1362708144 199920 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (,) <$> [1,2,3] <*> [4,5,6] < 1362708145 669750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1,4),(1,5),(1,6),(2,4),(2,5),(2,6),(3,4),(3,5),(3,6)] < 1362708147 615944 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you know what this means < 1362708163 164354 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably not. < 1362708172 132304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::info <* < 1362708173 230369 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3] >>= \ x -> [4,5,6] >>= \ y -> return (x,y) < 1362708173 816287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: descartes < 1362708174 673955 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1,4),(1,5),(1,6),(2,4),(2,5),(2,6),(3,4),(3,5),(3,6)] < 1362708175 152979 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about this < 1362708176 653044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- my hint < 1362708184 522375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw hes only onto the list comprehensions chapter of lyah < 1362708185 262442 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget, is all this <> weirdness in lens or haskell < 1362708188 321127 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::info (<*) < 1362708190 528900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo we stop talking about applicatives and monads and shit < 1362708193 479137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [(x,y) | x <- [1,2,3], y <- [4,5,6]] < 1362708195 433969 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(1,4),(1,5),(1,6),(2,4),(2,5),(2,6),(3,4),(3,5),(3,6)] < 1362708197 454552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about that one < 1362708200 9576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that's acceptable < 1362708200 158870 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this is kind of ridiculous? < 1362708200 988041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: <$ is in base. < 1362708201 635771 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i was just about to do the thing shachaf did < 1362708205 535717 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but im slow at the Typing < 1362708209 108821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im not < 1362708210 540956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Oh. < 1362708216 468251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then the other one is in Control.Comonad. < 1362708217 702055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what's ridiculous is listening to #esoteric about anything < 1362708221 751453 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1362708224 131304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stpo looking and look at lyah instead < 1362708224 668519 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the lesson here. < 1362708227 293496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i had a head start at the Typing < 1362708232 457892 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1362708281 297588 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh i see "category"!! < 1362708282 932626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo my nondeterminism hint was helpful "in a maybe nonhelpful kind of way" < 1362708302 618639 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's helpful if you know that sense of what nondeterminism means < 1362708308 137274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1362708317 884004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but maybe it's not so helpful to illustrate it < 1362708343 814483 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not helpful: Overloading Bike with operators < 1362708346 483560 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When writing our own functions, we can choose to give them an explicit type declaration. This is generally considered to be good practice except when writing very short functions." this seems like kind of a weird thing to say after bringing up type inference < 1362708353 266571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be an implementation of [] that uses "real nondeterminism" < 1362708355 228140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not really < 1362708358 222522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type signatures work as documentation < 1362708363 885941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote rwbarton infer < 1362708364 338591 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. :( < 1362708367 899469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!! < 1362708368 49233 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but just < 1362708372 925906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: lambdabot quotes remember < 1362708376 903855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can figure out a lot about what a definition does from the type etc. < 1362708378 270788 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"unlike java you don't have to write out types. so anyway, we're going to write out types" < 1362708379 476544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`lastlog rwbarton.*infer < 1362708380 143551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know < 1362708381 602252 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1362708382 674976 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :lastlog: unexpected argument: rwbarton.*infer \ Usage: lastlog [options] \ \ Options: \ -b, --before DAYS print only lastlog records older than DAYS \ -h, --help display this help message and exit \ -t, --time DAYS print only lastlog records more recent than DAYS \ -u, --user LOGIN < 1362708383 75508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog rwbarton.*infer < 1362708391 374835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope that works < 1362708415 649812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/12.10.04:21:19:15 type inference is supposed to be the compiler's job, not the reader's job < 1362708417 11993 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362708432 485079 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good quote thanks rwbarton < 1362708437 712722 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :TOO LATE HACKEGO < 1362708443 383537 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you don't really write out types with everything < 1362708454 409044 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um maybe you don't < 1362708462 173787 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i know < 1362708463 620069 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In lets you typically don't < 1362708472 179390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1362708475 644415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: but what about MonoLocalBinds................ < 1362708475 793890 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i < 1362708481 536815 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1362708488 58528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/um/people/simonpj/papers/constraints/let-gen.pdf < 1362708494 90063 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was just commenting on a weird quirk i'm well aware of documentation value and how it's different from java and bla? bla? bla? bla? bla? < 1362708496 427641 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, haven't heard of it < 1362708508 715821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q q q qqq q qqq q q q q q q q q q < 1362708511 109603 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q < 1362708512 332966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Bike < 1362708512 555287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Bike < 1362708512 705030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :q. < 1362708512 854596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Bike < 1362708517 767295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats my response < 1362708517 916950 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1362708519 251000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362708519 572405 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362708519 722152 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362708523 525293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :choir of welcomes < 1362708524 93553 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :response to who < 1362708525 160823 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imo ask elliott to stop spamming < 1362708530 663319 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: bike < 1362708533 607853 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362708584 417345 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author sure likes comparing haskell to java < 1362708588 812718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :An invisible choir sings, and you are bathed in `welcomes... < 1362708630 825326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The voice of Eliot booms out: "Congratulations, mortal!" < 1362708670 248970 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there something like @src I can use in inferior-haskell? < 1362708677 541255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yeah. I prefer when better languages are compared with better languages < 1362708695 592702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Not really. :-( < 1362708700 634992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. < 1362708710 906983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :inferior-haskell? Is that what you get when you compare Haskell with @? < 1362708715 612984 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why should I use this instead of Java?" is pretty much a joke, "Why should I use this instead of Haskell or Lisp or Smalltalk?" or something is far more interesting < 1362708729 953745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, it's still pretty much a joke. < 1362708732 490827 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't make me defend Java dude. I'll do it. I'll jump. < 1362708744 736491 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Ord -- anyway < 1362708744 913443 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. < 1362708745 696315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is people come into #haskell and ask that question and then there's a long pointless discussion < 1362708748 448462 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src Ord < 1362708748 613295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :class (Eq a) => Ord a where < 1362708748 773581 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : compare :: a -> a -> Ordering < 1362708748 922679 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (<), (<=), (>), (>=) :: a -> a -> Bool < 1362708748 922763 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : max, min :: a -> a -> a < 1362708762 326631 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so, like every other channel on freenode then < 1362708780 926955 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing < and pals have a default definition in terms of compare? < 1362708786 965484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1362708798 59284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And compare has a default definition in terms of all of them simultaneously < 1362708802 462395 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, just in terms of (<=) < 1362708804 214188 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1362708806 510395 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1362708827 677941 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw (a -> a -> Ordering) is a monoid < 1362708837 990214 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things are monoids < 1362708843 358412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fun part though is that there's no static checking whether you've satisfied the minimum needed :( < 1362708850 879614 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does only partially defining an instance work? Like how will it no that defining an instance of well, oh, thanks Sgeo. < 1362708853 691297 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The fun part is that there's a feature request for that! < 1362708858 176242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which SPJ approves of! < 1362708868 911933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just needs someone (4ie you) to implement it < 1362708876 207984 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is that just pointwise multiplication on pointwise multiplication on Ordering? < 1362708893 931365 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something special < 1362708896 557596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Yes. < 1362708902 579053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :proof irrelevance, monqy < 1362708907 19003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all he said is it's a monoid < 1362708910 223165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't get to find out which one < 1362708921 491543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, pretty much just writing out the default definitions in terms of each other, and if there is no real implementation, it infinite loops < 1362708927 917939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (comparing length ++ compare) $ words "here are some words for monqy to show off how nice that 'unspecial' monoid instance is" < 1362708930 590065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ["is","to","are","for","how","off","here","nice","show","some","that","monq... < 1362708945 665501 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that sucks. < 1362708952 446262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1362708954 195089 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i know all about Ordering's instance and how nice pointwise stuff is < 1362708960 824956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1362708975 242409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointwise instances suck imo < 1362708997 789413 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pointwise? < 1362709000 813028 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read "True" isn't constrained enough. What source or whatever do I look at to figure out why? < 1362709002 912542 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never said pointwise instances are nice!!!! just that pointwise ~stuff~ is nice....im undecided on pointwise instances < 1362709011 904195 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: read :: Read a => String -> a < 1362709016 614353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :read "True" :: Bool < 1362709019 687590 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you need to tell it the type to give back to you < 1362709024 120929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I know. < 1362709029 471783 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know what the ambiguity is between. < 1362709030 53015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what d oyou mean by: figure out why < 1362709034 111876 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not "between" < 1362709039 120214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in even if you only had one Read instance it'd still give you that < 1362709042 761945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(open world assumption) < 1362709059 750788 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so read anything without constraints is ambiguous? < 1362709065 391828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the clopen world assumption is better < 1362709069 218090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes < 1362709072 464350 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay. < 1362709075 904872 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "12345" < 1362709077 808745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Prelude.read: no parse < 1362709079 248951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's polymorphic. < 1362709080 999810 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1362709089 878315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ambiguous if you don't use it in a polymorphic context. < 1362709092 360626 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something default something something < 1362709097 557528 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it tried to read a unit < 1362709104 360889 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "()" < 1362709105 630817 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> read "()" < 1362709106 432157 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1362709107 236291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : () < 1362709107 884035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you catch a unit < 1362709121 951601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Answer: unit up on it < 1362709183 696245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's far safer than having the type become known only at runtime < 1362709192 198145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cough* recent RoR vulnerabilities *cough* < 1362709222 129416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? < 1362709232 607801 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ruby on rails < 1362709232 778702 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Sgeo: defining something "pointwise" means "something like"(im not going to bothere explaing it in full generality or formal gosh) (f + g)(x) := f(x) + g(x) < 1362709238 306004 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hopefully you "get the idea" < 1362709254 771867 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you have addition on functions "point wise" < 1362709256 728974 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was some thing about yaml doing weird things because weirdness < 1362709282 526315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? ?? < 1362709283 893325 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll also see it on tuples a lot!!! (x, y) + (a, b) := (x + a, y + b) < 1362709286 592578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? ?? ?where quonochrom < 1362709287 54882 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : monochrom says: Ask Coq. Don't rely on head. < 1362709290 826820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? ?? ?where quonochrom < 1362709291 196898 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : monochrom says: There are truths, damn truths, and Kripke structures. < 1362709300 41713 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hilarity < 1362709313 762723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? ?? ?where quonochrom < 1362709314 265719 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : monochrom says: If you read a haskell book or an FP book, by chapter 5 it's already doing data structures. It's chapter 10 in imperative books. < 1362709315 683134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: um tuples are just functions < 1362709320 311325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :enough < 1362709322 666470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :from finite sets!! < 1362709325 589021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry i mean < 1362709326 879315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finite types < 1362709334 787147 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean morphisms something something < 1362709353 666675 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes but does sgeo know that < 1362709358 873706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo tuples are just limits of diagrams with no morphisms < 1362709364 542388 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :-) < 1362709365 449366 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1362709377 674055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: imo yes < 1362709390 61489 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he didnt even know what "pointwise" means < 1362709391 224342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no is monqy disapproving again < 1362709391 373816 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[x,y..z] = enumFromThenTo x y z, right? < 1362709400 477899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1362709418 434086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I enumFromThenToElseTo < 1362709447 630766 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION googles < 1362709457 358916 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, is pointwise just the antonym of pointfree? < 1362709463 561205 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1362709471 213426 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I get a list of instances of a typeclass? < 1362709476 233681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait should i have specified finite diagrams < 1362709478 171924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: :info Class < 1362709478 981027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: :i in ghci < 1362709481 985148 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rad < 1362709490 377403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,i :i,i < 1362709494 806966 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh that's a lot of instances < 1362709501 659093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION vanishes < 1362709502 344295 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um I kind of tuned out of your attempted explanation < 1362709505 216970 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn look at all these tuples < 1362709511 94887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- point-wise, and point-free member" < 1362709514 515152 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/Pointfree < 1362709515 146857 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointwise uuuuuurgh < 1362709525 108685 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i havent even looked at its contents < 1362709526 997174 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just read it < 1362709537 103714 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its better than groping around or whatever the hell youre doingg now < 1362709537 778828 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362709552 335460 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362709555 58730 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i do :i some class am I going to get a shitload of tuples every time < 1362709565 833651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :only for the "common classes" < 1362709569 585788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION really vanishes < 1362709577 290715 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So pointwise addition is just addition lifted into the Reader monad? < 1362709588 925293 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::☺) < 1362709625 397761 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shall take that as a yes < 1362709637 435677 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aight why is (4,5,6,7) < (9,6,3,0) < 1362709657 344701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because 4 < 9 < 1362709663 730072 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362709694 947314 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362709713 742656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: because seven ate nine < 1362709720 833212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although, I guess it's somewhat meaningless semantically.... if Ord a => Complex a doesn't get an Ord instance even though one can be defined, why should tuples? < 1362709722 640528 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362709736 200456 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, why would you define an ordering on complex < 1362709744 2154 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, so you can put them in Maps < 1362709750 745688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as keys) < 1362709765 830864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :indexing a map by a value with floating point sounds like the superest idea < 1362709778 763317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Complex Int is not floating point < 1362709796 824041 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love gaussian integers < 1362709852 688158 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does Num have Show but not Read? < 1362709878 30086 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have Show or Eq now < 1362709879 18535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Wait, is pointwise just the antonym of pointfree? <-- i learned about "pointwise" in math long before learning haskell. < 1362709880 95880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they got removed rip < 1362709910 478262 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noooo i'm so out of date < 1362709963 643716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Complex Int is not Num either, alas < 1362709989 1973 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :all because of pesky abs < 1362709991 410722 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t abs < 1362709992 907192 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a < 1362710002 231762 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num is gross and ugly < 1362710011 132285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant stop reading pesky abs as meaning the other kind of abs < 1362710013 290677 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1362710030 782453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just do some workout and get some pesky abs yourself < 1362710038 392972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has none, anyway < 1362710090 18837 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who needs abs, bodies are for losers < 1362710214 299730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: r u uploaded into the information super highway cyberspace < 1362710220 644711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :integated into the system < 1362710224 169079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :integated, good word < 1362710239 534582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :abs or fabs < 1362710570 843703 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how a better Num would work really. Maybe you could define something "nicer" if you're really pedantic and make it subsets of complexes but then there go floats. < 1362710588 344977 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something abstract algebra < 1362710598 505715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :abstract algebra is kind of awful with typeclasses < 1362710601 699060 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learning something from those dang mathematicians < 1362710609 986548 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe typeclasses could learn a thing or 2 < 1362710617 264976 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something something monoids "not so easy after all" < 1362710619 930931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think num is all that bad for haskells constraints < 1362710625 444184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it should get split up a lil < 1362710707 655338 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: But then you'd have like Field except integers don't form a field except mod something they do and stuff < 1362710723 568503 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well who said you'd start with fields < 1362710800 452542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There may be a case to be made that the current typeclass system is just broken < 1362710813 144018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you make that case exactly < 1362710837 90431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus you'd have like... class Ring etc etc i don't know haskell inverse :: a => Maybe a? < 1362710840 520411 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :demonstrate that they make monoids not easy < 1362710852 585850 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need inverse in the ring class < 1362710852 778785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Noting how often it is sometimes useful to implement only some of a functions in a class, and how difficult it is to split off such classes in a backwards compatible manner < 1362710869 497241 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need it, but I'm sure somebody would want it. < 1362710888 281859 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a new class for it then? like Ring a => Field a < 1362710897 529743 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or divisionring < 1362710898 176879 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1362710905 526431 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"skewfield" that's a cute name for the same thing < 1362710907 218910 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, inverses on rings where not everything has an inverse < 1362710918 660405 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RingWhereSometimesThingsHaveInverses < 1362710932 507636 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1362710974 955073 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Onion rings < 1362710984 919399 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: clearly tho youd just put a Group constraint on the underlying multiplicative monoid < 1362710999 599821 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for Field < 1362711008 661160 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for when sometimes you have inverses uhh < 1362711013 11219 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess idk what youd do < 1362711016 563886 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :make anew class < 1362711019 750497 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think maybe with constraintkinds and stuff we have enough machinery to do abstract algebra classes properly < 1362711023 350296 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i sure wouldnt replace num with it < 1362711052 14250 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :num is kind of heck but i typically ignore it < 1362711060 711414 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the type system is inadequate if i can't express the type of analytic functions. fix this thanks < 1362711197 597360 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think that's there for historical reasons or something, although in my opinion, it's pretty stupid" btw elliott i've decided my earlier stated dislike of lyah was wrong < 1362711239 709930 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats that sentence aboout < 1362711250 662186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: That's useful when you want integral and floating point types to work together nicely. For instance, the length function has a type declaration of length :: [a] -> Int instead of having a more general type of (Num b) => length :: [a] -> b. I think that's there for historical reasons or something, although in my opinion, it's pretty stupid. < 1362711255 764482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of wrong tho < 1362711261 527235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not wrong enough for me to bother complaining about it < 1362711280 674584 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, what's wrong about it? < 1362711316 481588 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about Integral right < 1362711322 263419 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t generalizedLength < 1362711323 678919 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `generalizedLength' < 1362711326 602445 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever it is < 1362711337 941609 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t genericLength < 1362711339 404291 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num i => [b] -> i < 1362711342 321679 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's Num? < 1362711343 654489 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1362711345 13172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weid < 1362711361 104276 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that's length not Take or anything < 1362711363 214294 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t genericTake < 1362711363 903500 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362711364 676980 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Integral i => i -> [a] -> [a] < 1362711369 161827 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's integral < 1362711378 180741 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok im at peace < 1362711395 421235 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> genericLength ["lol","ol","ol"] :: Float < 1362711397 28104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3.0 < 1362711401 81233 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1362711424 401122 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src genericTake < 1362711424 790621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. You speak an infinite deal of nothing < 1362711428 358026 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, so I don't need a million parens whenever I use :: ? < 1362711429 941902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it need integral i wonder < 1362711446 660617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I hope that's sarcasm? < 1362711451 239094 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well maybe it doesnt "need" integral but would it make sense without it < 1362711462 155580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: why would it be < 1362711468 172336 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :take (sqrt (-1)) < 1362711470 123466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how do you take 1.5 of something? < 1362711483 582669 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :interpolation! < 1362711485 666330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think you understand what im saying < 1362711493 567416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: looks like it doesn't use any Integral methods at all :/ < 1362711499 193909 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really like the gratuitous constraint < 1362711502 839712 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thats what i mean by "need" < 1362711524 513501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1362711527 229648 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just confirming & complaining < 1362711531 249962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :con{firm,plain}ing < 1362711550 341634 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it would effectively round down < 1362711550 538218 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length (take (toInteger (maxBound :: Int) + 1) (repeat "cut")) < 1362711552 323485 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Int' < 1362711552 473223 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type ... < 1362711557 687900 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1362711567 900814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike take doesnt take an integer < 1362711568 745003 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t take < 1362711570 483808 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Int -> [a] -> [a] < 1362711573 481318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :drop doesnt drop an integer too 8-) < 1362711580 157220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1362711587 142788 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I laffed < 1362711598 546970 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1362711619 611358 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so how do i get the first [pointlessly large number] of elements from a list! < 1362711631 671918 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :genericTake < 1362711650 980997 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not in scope this is impossible f u haskell < 1362711657 991434 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List, Bike < 1362711659 685378 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle genericTake < 1362711660 279093 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List genericTake :: Integral i => i -> [a] -> [a] < 1362711664 697723 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :import Data.List < 1362711721 38435 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what the hell is import < 1362711735 760140 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :type at yr repl < 1362711740 490870 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::m + Data.List < 1362711743 328587 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and think no more about it < 1362711747 750161 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dude, haskell sucks < 1362711749 259819 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i must think < 1362711755 448291 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is my curse < 1362711767 22245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it imports a module. And :m + Data.List is how to bring in a module at GHCi < 1362711767 878826 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think that it sucks < 1362711772 488056 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than source code < 1362711788 650050 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh import's one of those statement dealies isn't it < 1362711791 49015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :import works in ghci tho < 1362711803 88965 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :import is more letters < 1362711816 207595 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :import is a top level statement < 1362711822 196959 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to be a top level programmer to use it < 1362711902 989140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need at least 3 PhDs < 1362711924 100417 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are the PhDs in < 1362711926 867392 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, not that bad < 1362711934 386751 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just 2 phds < 1362711935 357003 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you do need qualifications to use qualified imports < 1362712174 155095 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362712179 835053 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362712292 334050 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362712481 827247 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362712490 776404 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362713143 146004 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, you need some kind of extension for explicit forall? < 1362713191 849062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need an extension for everything < 1362713193 134634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sure < 1362713199 791130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :explicit forall ain't that useful if you're not doing scopedtypevariables stuff < 1362713202 792278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by ain't that useful < 1362713204 333315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean ain't useful at all < 1362713206 831428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you mean, not rank-2 < 1362713210 606802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a whole other can of worms < 1362713213 441210 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i just mean the boring ones < 1362713231 130384 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just.... i'd feel better with them there man......... < 1362713289 839766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bonus is you can use forall as a variable < 1362713294 726593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both type & value < 1362713296 439328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically Legal < 1362713302 334240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :id :: forall -> forall < 1362713303 535758 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's Cool < 1362713388 504454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're Cool < 1362713389 401284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-) < 1362713415 71209 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh i thought i sucked way to flip-flop < 1362713445 71307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know i wasnt using sarcasm either/both times < 1362713470 93610 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sarcasm is a rank k type hth < 1362713517 655656 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh backquoted quotes in strings print with the backquotes! haskell really is a lisp!!! < 1362713544 335725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what do you mean < 1362713582 891084 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :capital "Porqueepsie" => "The first letter of \"Porqueepsie\" is 'P'." < 1362713601 366809 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that actually just a literal backquote < 1362713604 995445 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back...thing < 1362713606 619232 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :slash < 1362713622 368623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im confused < 1362713624 461992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :python does that too? < 1362713628 89871 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it < 1362713640 61187 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here < 1362713650 338244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> foo = "'hello" + '"' < 1362713650 488019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> foo < 1362713650 488202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :'\'hello"' < 1362713651 937182 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well close enough < 1362713739 487602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :python only does it if you mix _both_ ' and " in a string. otherwise it chooses the outer one as whichever isn't used. < 1362713768 16573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell cannot do that since ' and " have different meanings. < 1362714013 614009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a Haskell program that's valid both with and without rankntypes but does different things with and without:/ < 1362714189 810251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall zzo38 did some nice option-testing combinations < 1362714336 752852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think those were based on syntax though, so probably tested whether forall was a keyword < 1362714364 860246 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm not sure whether that worked < 1362714378 855839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastequotes zzo38>.*forall < 1362714386 470169 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.16517 < 1362714388 122102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs zzo38>.*forall < 1362714428 258552 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31071 < 1362714509 909586 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362714524 567263 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Not? < 1362714525 559928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott asleep < 1362714544 124534 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1362714594 403408 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1362714600 35737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Not < 1362714600 608131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude not :: Bool -> Bool < 1362714600 758216 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Bool not :: Bool -> Bool < 1362714600 758418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude notElem :: Eq a => a -> [a] -> Bool < 1362714607 228539 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what's Not < 1362714651 32464 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2011-11-28.txt:06:52:27: explosion :: (p, Not p) -> q; explosion (x, y) = contradiction $ y x; where contradiction :: forall t. Zero -> t; < 1362714661 158453 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, zzo < 1362714661 309296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs zzo38>.*rank.types < 1362714675 883805 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.22827 < 1362714682 768740 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Not a = a -> Void < 1362714691 866777 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Void aka Zero aka False < 1362714692 807928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: he's been experimenting with logic in haskell types < 1362714699 844991 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, zzo or bike? < 1362714707 806532 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not me that's for sure < 1362714720 951142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs zzo38>.*haskell.*extension < 1362714722 368291 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry howard is a bit poor in haskell what with everything being inhabited < 1362714734 383129 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.30522 < 1362714734 750855 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Confession Part Two I thought fmap took a functor as an argument "sorry" < 1362714740 381437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike.......... < 1362714744 606582 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike.................. < 1362714748 279221 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362714759 149999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait im going to do the thing where you use the full version of someones name to disapprove at them < 1362714762 196053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bicycle.............................. < 1362714767 357790 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh excuse me < 1362714769 840264 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bicyclidine < 1362714773 639500 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362714774 561533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1362714780 272701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats like < 1362714781 30176 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo fuck you < 1362714799 706470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dave -> david -> davidiens < 1362714801 267340 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to do to the thing where i munge someones name(i dont actually do this but some people do): bicyclyde < 1362714803 854639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you really want to be davidiens bike < 1362714815 568993 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can I be a Circumcellion? < 1362714815 827682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ooh we could call bike clyde < 1362714824 420119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that,d be a good nickname < 1362714825 144082 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :biquaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay < 1362714830 633354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/2011-09-02.txt is where it was previously discussed < 1362714859 516186 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: does Void not exist in haskell because everything's inhabited or < 1362714874 890124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :clyyyyyyyyyde < 1362714880 926182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are tiy oeioke stukk takjubg abiyt types < 1362714884 920926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1362714885 773494 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1362714891 834706 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :did my keyboard switch to finnish mode < 1362714910 924327 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, < 1362714912 635255 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Void < 1362714919 528036 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: theres a thing people call void but it's not as meaningful as in stuff like agda or coq or < 1362714920 627275 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :_|_ can be made to be of type Void < 1362714932 916496 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo are you sure you can explain this < 1362714954 355341 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Says I need an extension to allow a lack of constructors. < 1362714970 610937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how old is your ghc < 1362714970 831471 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's pretend that Void is a->b. a->b should be uninhabited, just like Void, right? < 1362714977 495487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t undefined :: a -> b < 1362714979 146536 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> b < 1362714982 11731 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1362714984 606868 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please dont < 1362714992 546808 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: did you think that fmap took a functor as an argument……………………………………………………………………………………… < 1362715004 83784 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck are those ellipses < 1362715007 845766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like i missed out "on a lot of fun" < 1362715016 956007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: alas zzo's sprunge paste has expired < 1362715022 158973 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all got... blurry < 1362715030 369930 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: the way it's defined in the "void" package is < 1362715036 50998 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's just something from when I didn't know what typeclass syntax was and i was grasping at straws < 1362715036 391407 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- | A logically uninhabited data type. < 1362715036 591521 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#if __GLASGOW_HASKELL__ < 700 < 1362715036 741280 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Void = Void !Void < 1362715036 741457 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#else < 1362715036 741641 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Void = Void Void < 1362715038 879264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#endif < 1362715045 911219 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my ghc is from debian, so presumably it's older than me < 1362715072 678644 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: so you need a void to construct a void. the ! means it's strict in its argument so it's a bit harder to fit a bottom in there < 1362715089 599385 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see I see. < 1362715093 798222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: ghc --version < 1362715098 796515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please do that so i know if i have to take drastic measures < 1362715109 926540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: after doing it please paste the result in the channel < 1362715111 275098 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :6.12.3 < 1362715115 888095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1362715117 913321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"uh oh" < 1362715118 499046 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please upgrade that < 1362715123 353496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously you have no idea < 1362715133 130038 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i get specifics < 1362715135 828064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1362715137 909108 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just install 7.4 < 1362715141 411417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll probably thank me later < 1362715141 590894 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is ghc 6 like a CUPS server < 1362715148 37184 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like ghc 6 < 1362715149 5675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine you might as well be using a rusty spoon to compile your haskell code < 1362715153 803191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that < 1362715157 299020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be more type safe at least < 1362715161 862057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and faster < 1362715166 80214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and more elegant < 1362715168 334189 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, bad compiled output huh? Neat. < 1362715170 110823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, if you want to be able to define data types at GHCi, you'll upgrade < 1362715201 434450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats not really what we meant Bicyclidine < 1362715201 817815 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want elliott not to "take drastic measures" you'll upgrade < 1362715207 434632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and believe me you don't want elliott to do that < 1362715214 9667 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's never done it before but it sounds bad < 1362715224 154805 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, what did you mean. < 1362715231 19648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine, I'm on Ubuntu 10.10 and I've managed to upgrade GHC < 1362715252 307673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc 6.12 is so old it doesn't support lens.........……..………….....….…….….…..…... < 1362715262 222051 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno sgeo .configure && make && make install is hard < 1362715286 325028 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wellyou should < 1362715286 807942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it Bike < 1362715288 822281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use a binary package < 1362715291 877098 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont want to compile ghc < 1362715293 838264 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(really) < 1362715302 949286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably just use the haskell platform binary package?? < 1362715303 98836 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :using debian packages sounds like heck < 1362715303 854148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The binary package still has configure/make/make install < 1362715311 41382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt have the make part iirc < 1362715315 492770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1362715317 466347 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure because whenever i mention having a compiler that's slightly behind bleeding edge i get jumped on < 1362715321 78866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or at least it doesn't do anything < 1362715334 452022 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: HP isn't bleeding edge < 1362715335 737618 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotta keep up with all the new developments < 1362715338 47249 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: TWIST: there is no binary package :,( < 1362715343 392387 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.6 is bleeding edge < 1362715356 174894 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :7.4 is part of the Haskell Package, the go-to for newbies < 1362715357 818338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when people used to say cutting edge < 1362715365 753800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then that wasn't "cutting edge enough" < 1362715372 329657 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sudo apt-get install haskell-platform is what i did < 1362715377 721892 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a simple man with simple lack of savvy < 1362715378 545957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now "bleeding edge" is an idiom instead of a joke :'( < 1362715383 47341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: your compiler is from june 2010 < 1362715386 591717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its three years old < 1362715389 472391 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good month < 1362715409 451006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stable version it's of is from 2009 < 1362715524 644358 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next up: amputated edge < 1362715557 260080 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the bleeding edge should be "spj's keylogger" < 1362715562 622471 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cutting edge can be HEAD < 1362715571 429350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dull edge can be 7.6 < 1362715575 263950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about the wounded edge < 1362715581 351135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the internal organs edge < 1362715606 630612 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :internal organ? < 1362715611 73583 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that "internal to a church" < 1362715622 894104 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im more interested in this rusty spoon edge < 1362715629 813581 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i cut someone with it will they die < 1362715649 301144 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes and Bicyclidinidine would be to blame < 1362715659 416869 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitchin' < 1362716122 938501 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362716395 61189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362716768 222365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine: did you get it yet < 1362717364 555363 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362717714 566750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bicyclidine i need your public service again < 1362717716 621570 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me to go to bed < 1362717726 539104 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott go to bed < 1362717729 201222 :Bicyclidine!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1362717736 885582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or to sleep. that one might be better because it works even if it's monqy you're servicing < 1362717741 615149 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking hell elliott isn't it like twelve in the morning where you live < 1362717751 697603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:42 < 1362717764 742096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh dude isn't that private < 1362717768 531766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362717771 909738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im letting you into my world :-) < 1362717776 86914 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awwwww < 1362717796 597673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's 12 in the morning where *I* live. < 1362717803 374207 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By 12 in the morning I mean 23:43. < 1362717811 623989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By live I mean "am alive at right now". < 1362717829 73190 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's too early where i live < 1362717847 749675 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to go to sleep < 1362717852 509953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime monqy < 1362717854 169745 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for monqy is Thu Mar 7 20:44:13 2013 < 1362717880 14148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you know about type systems right < 1362717883 698884 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1362717888 872803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does it mean to say rank-2 type inference is possible < 1362717906 836068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone says it "even elliott" < 1362717914 694247 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what are the limitations < 1362717937 854669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1362717982 963484 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :idk off the top of my head what it means "precisely"?? < 1362718010 675217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you can give (\x -> x x) a rank-2 type < 1362718016 435984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that inferrable < 1362718024 755458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it even make sense to say that < 1362718145 631820 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well asking if some type of a specific term is "inferrable" loses a bit of sense < 1362718166 743955 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the general case can still be undecidible but special cases heuristics yada yada < 1362718242 59087 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362718272 326973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sure but the general case here is supposed to be decidable < 1362718287 747325 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so im wondering what that means for specific cases < 1362718495 79494 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if being decidable means that it's possible to infer a type for every term with a rank 2 type then < 1362718501 554690 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes that term would get a type inferred for it?? < 1362718515 536796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362718529 30785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it mean it's possible to infer "a most general type" < 1362718541 642799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just any ol type that fits?? or what < 1362718579 374142 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the way i stated it it'd just be any ol type that fits....the actual theorem might be for most general types. what i said was just an example of what a theorem statement might look like. you'd have to check for yrself. < 1362718586 153205 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since i cannot recall < 1362718612 92937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well where would i find the theorem < 1362718623 512406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i read the paper edwardk linked or something else < 1362718624 518480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1362718631 113349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know type systems :(' < 1362718665 974780 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i should just read that paper < 1362718735 342314 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably edwardk knows what he's talking about? < 1362718936 386874 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :3sigh < 1362718957 483418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: is it true they took summon green rat out of summon small mammals in crawl < 1362718973 461062 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was ages ago < 1362718976 229449 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ornage rats too < 1362719108 201943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :orange, that's the one i meant < 1362719114 252193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it green? < 1362719116 821632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think orange < 1362719122 23935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :those rats were so good < 1362719123 962512 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1362719152 68260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i just meant one of them < 1362719157 58309 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then it was orange < 1362719177 615567 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ye summon small mammals stopped being major ridiculous ages ago < 1362719337 215468 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i liked it when it was major ridiculous < 1362719361 382444 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops < 1362719380 510330 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me < 1362719384 415409 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did Sgeo miss an update < 1362719397 184202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: no olist isn't going to be updated until next week < 1362719403 456359 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and smlist isn't updated :'( < 1362719415 214308 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist? < 1362719423 408146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :super mega comics < 1362719425 520996 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/list < 1362719427 560003 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ oldpwd=`pwd`; cd /var/irclogs/_esoteric; name=$(cat $(ls ????-??-??.txt | tail -1) | tail -1 | sed "s/[^<]*.*//; s/.*\* //; s/ .*//"); cd $oldpwd; fgrep -q "$name" bin/list || echo -n "$name " >> bin/list; echo cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo Sgeo monqy pikhq Sgeo_ tswett Phantom_Hoover nortti oklopol Ngevd < 1362719435 203525 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh he's there < 1362719455 559306 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: neither of those < 1362719461 720268 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist < 1362719467 434293 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1362719469 643176 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ WELCOME \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ aseen \ botsnack \ bseen \ calc \ CaT \ colorize \ define \ delquote \ elist \ emmental \ emoclew \ emptylist \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fueue \ gaseen \ google \ h \ ?h \ h! \ hatesgeo \ ?hh \ hyfinate \ hyphenate.fi \ interp \ joustreport \ jousturl \ js \ json \ ka < 1362719471 160381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*list* < 1362719473 859857 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/elist \ bin/emptylist \ bin/list \ bin/lists \ bin/makelist \ bin/mlist \ bin/olist \ bin/pbflist \ bin/slist \ bin/smlist \ bin/testlist < 1362719480 337986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/elist < 1362719482 488696 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo elliott < 1362719488 725918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorry < 1362719497 192715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/mlist < 1362719498 947332 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, did elliott update? < 1362719499 748233 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo Seeing a philosopher < 1362719505 828465 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1362719517 462042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and pbf didn't update either < 1362719520 821162 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, I will do you all the favor of mentioning that there is a homestuck update before I talk about it < 1362719527 845582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of the other lists are relevant < 1362719545 981611 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emptylist < 1362719548 756981 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :emptylist: < 1362719550 685154 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you're wrong ;) < 1362719573 739551 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: coppro's right; emptylist is pretty dang relevant < 1362719589 321003 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/makelist < 1362719591 346151 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo 'tail -n +2 $0 | xargs echo; exit 0' >$1;chmod +x $1 < 1362719597 872584 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good list < 1362719598 22064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: true < 1362719605 930827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :makelist is bad < 1362719608 191463 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it a universal property of cherubs that they love worldbuilding? < 1362719612 427872 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not even accurate anymore? < 1362719615 992553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat bin/emptylist < 1362719618 438267 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit < 1362719653 561545 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'cp bin/emptylist bin/"$1"' > bin/makelist < 1362719658 100157 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362719660 722778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`makelist deletedlist < 1362719664 855775 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362719667 741783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`deletedlist < 1362719670 106215 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :deletedlist: < 1362719674 912855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo shachaf >> bin/deletedlist < 1362719679 358096 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362719680 87241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`deletedlist < 1362719682 333288 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :deletedlist: shachaf < 1362719684 890185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/deletedlist < 1362719689 338290 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362719700 505765 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we stop playing with the robot < 1362719703 682702 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and build more worlds < 1362719712 664213 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which worlds < 1362719733 838673 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :holmestuck sounds pretty horrible < 1362719738 255144 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/05958_2.gif < 1362719748 906595 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that did not answer the question < 1362719749 685421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo a better thing with the word "stuck" in it is slaughterhouse five < 1362719763 394498 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you'll have to read it to find out < 1362719764 501612 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :billy pilgrim has become poo-tee-weet in time < 1362719785 941351 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just saying that because i was reading it today < 1362719789 805222 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good book imo < 1362719806 427960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: from now on instead of saying rip you should say so it goes < 1362719814 750832 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1362719820 894212 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip? < 1362719826 294310 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it goes < 1362719840 659944 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in. "Oh dear. It appears I have so it went my pants" < 1362719871 115338 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1362719886 217978 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :if instead of saying "rip" you say "so it goes" then instead of saying "ripped" you say "so it went" < 1362719889 224402 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh < 1362719909 439055 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362720097 281423 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway "sleep time" < 1362720147 861894 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have fun < 1362720269 911341 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362720415 75308 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1362720415 224790 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1362720465 276700 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry sgeo, coppro beat you to it < 1362720489 684501 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's almost half 5 in the morning < 1362720492 627645 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I doing up < 1362720537 425497 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a twin channeling of the spirits of sgeo and elliott < 1362720540 185919 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very dangerous < 1362720846 212483 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net PART :#esoteric < 1362720978 767726 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362721107 102173 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@karma C < 1362721107 417496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :C has a karma of 1 < 1362721234 6653 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so like esoteric, sounds like a cool channel, so i idle in here a few days. i still don't know wtf is the point of the channel. somebody explain. i used sit in a channel #sgeo (a chan about sacred geometry). some dude named sgeo poke his head in and is like, wtf is this. so whats the low down here? also for your entertainment here is this::::: < 1362721236 664122 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Field theories of limericks by individual consciousness exists, as could conceivably be considered to the merging of the Gaia mind. Modern field theory of the method of empirical science, in which are not exclusive to think. Thomas (always more clearly described in glowing terms about one wavelength of the claim < 1362721258 83573 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(markov chain generated from the logs of the past few days in here) < 1362721305 949750 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops wrong chain here: < 1362721350 258108 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric : how do abstract algebra classes in the method of programmer-hours have a -> return first versions of compare? 02:13:06: By 12 in and deployment! For more elegant 03:59:28: bitchin' 04:15:22: -!- Fiora nortti oklopol Ngevd 05:10:35: weid 02:56:01: something 02:18:17: `emptylist 05:12:28: < 1362721377 403457 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric is supposed to be about esoteric programming languages, but is really a couple of dozen people being weird < 1362721377 552970 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1362721385 229889 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks oonbotti. < 1362721392 288809 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh sweet it got my "bitchin'" in there. < 1362721395 722925 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am immortal. < 1362721404 757097 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric : LOL < 1362721458 967317 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok is COBOL ok for esoteric programming languages, i did that back in the day < 1362721514 11555 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd look at INTERCAL < 1362721534 809981 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362721535 830305 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/intercal-man/ < 1362721590 773284 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPG (report program generator) < 1362721595 348896 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did that too < 1362721608 328032 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortran < 1362721636 233811 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes there was a punch card mashine < 1362721639 948148 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :machine < 1362721702 372433 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only heard stories about those < 1362721728 535786 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pascal, but that seems too have keep up with the times < 1362721768 505523 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never encountered entercal < 1362721772 966890 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :intercal < 1362721961 930851 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome phiscribe < 1362721965 609867 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​9phiscribe: 2Welcome 13to 6the 4international 7hub 8for 9esoteric 2programming 13language 6design 4and 7deployment! 8For 9more 2information, 13check 6out 4our 7wiki: 8http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 9(For 2the 13other 6kind 4of 7esoterica, 8try 9#esoteric 2on 13irc.dal.net.) < 1362721969 407080 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone needs more welcoming < 1362721985 645379 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's another kind of esoterica? < 1362721991 923697 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my eyes, THEY BURN < 1362722143 301284 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`words < 1362722150 412900 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :enterniige < 1362722367 842967 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i1220.photobucket.com/albums/dd454/vectorbomb/Ninja-Code-Black-T-Shirt-Front.jpg < 1362723008 164999 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362723309 68998 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362724039 616473 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362724144 125392 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362726034 650593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run words # with friends < 1362726044 166375 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :schuttack < 1362726051 486899 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wassat < 1362726063 267776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo: You're such a schuttack. < 1362726070 136269 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :words with friends? < 1362726082 495554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I understand it is a game. < 1362726086 266144 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is < 1362726089 357012 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: your ##asm antics are pretty great, i hope you know < 1362726097 966017 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :antics?? < 1362726107 918537 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOD only 23 < 1362726110 23222 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate u < 1362726118 671982 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1362727216 599013 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1362727842 209472 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362728418 30965 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362729459 903930 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362730195 580844 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362730519 487234 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362730565 936104 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362730700 675963 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db43e25.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1362730872 434398 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Your gravatar image at github is over 3x the size it needs to be. (It could be gravatar's fault, I suppose, if they use poor resizing algorithms or something.) < 1362731017 490199 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db40159.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362731677 822701 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362731860 582079 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362732291 640995 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362732528 523079 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362733742 864084 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362733772 147971 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362734568 863879 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362735784 825546 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362736883 465468 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362737091 929930 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: I'm pretty sure I didn't make it a 400x400. < 1362737131 696661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I uploaded is whatever gives single pixels in the dither pattern. < 1362737254 595184 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362737486 559150 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362740269 183397 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362740399 605408 :Zuu!zuu@unaffiliated/zuu PART :#esoteric < 1362740633 99459 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362740642 865620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362740692 573680 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I just meant that the file size is huge, mostly due to not using a grayscale palette. < 1362740827 86281 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was a two-color PNG back when I sent it. < 1362740981 376717 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly bad things have happened to it automatically. < 1362741066 597216 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough. < 1362741175 856040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it's possible bad things have happened to it manually, too. I think I extracted it out of the file I had made for a door placard kind of thing. < 1362741185 943730 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The photo is terribly old in any case. I should perhaps produce a new self-picture some day. < 1362741497 416457 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362742128 696204 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362742294 882805 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1362742864 499069 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric < 1362744890 548167 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362744891 28023 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1362744893 67299 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1362746199 328968 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1362746231 859277 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362746686 774328 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362747467 295736 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Museum of Modern Art wants to add Core War to it's video game display http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-21661690 < 1362747495 246564 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1362747520 236135 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard about core war as a child and it sounded awesome < 1362747530 376165 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad i didn't know how to do stuff < 1362747543 365821 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i'd prefer something less assambly < 1362747554 138418 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was core wars really a thing < 1362747561 90286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION considers mentioning BF Joust < 1362747564 968397 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds less popular than bfjoust < 1362747567 27720 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet1: impomatic is pretty good at it < 1362747572 317184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's definitely more popular than BF Joust < 1362747577 4306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except among members of this channel < 1362747577 977488 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never heard of bf joust < 1362747580 429159 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1362747587 591234 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because this channel is the correct channel for discussing BF Joust < 1362747591 387096 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it still a thing, more to the point? It sounds fun, but I can't find anyone seriously talking about it more recently than 2009. < 1362747593 147014 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: http://esolangs.org/wiki/BF_Joust < 1362747596 88585 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :corewars, that is < 1362747634 956220 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn museum < 1362747636 680129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "museum" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1362747636 850003 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :museum < 1362747637 214 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a depository for collecting and displaying objects having < 1362747637 518 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : scientific or historical or artistic value < 1362747649 726030 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd love something like this for befunge or the like < 1362747703 204491 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like what? < 1362747711 790139 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bf joust < 1362747750 394271 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be especially interesting because of the p command < 1362747824 366036 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, more like core war < 1362747825 984256 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be interesting hunting for the other program in a 2D space < 1362747874 77437 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the other guy wrote a really tall, but really narrow program :P < 1362747927 90078 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Core War is quite active. There's been 178 successful submissions to the main hill so far this year. Even more that didn't enter the hill. < 1362747984 729097 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: CoreLife - hunting for the other program in 2D :-) http://corewar.co.uk/corelife < 1362748150 914581 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 QUIT : < 1362748364 709744 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362748400 517366 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: do you run corelife? < 1362748428 27172 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362748537 128535 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like a program with no processes would be invincible, because its strength-per-process becomes infinite < 1362748559 683129 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you own 51% of the board, you should kill yourself immediately :P < 1362748566 348683 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing this is completely wrong. < 1362748604 570908 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362748696 665315 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :corelife is shareware? < 1362748711 934011 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to have a large enough niche to work as shareware < 1362748727 828584 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Snowyowl: corewar.co.uk is my site. corelife is nothing to do with me though, other than I have a page about it. < 1362748733 476245 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially given that shareware basically doesn't exist nowadays (although it's making something of a revival on mobile platforms) < 1362748789 580887 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :corelife is playable without registering. If you register I think it adds an option to encrypt your code, but not much else. < 1362748831 23837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it adds an option to put authorship information on the coe < 1362748832 639024 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*code < 1362748842 137400 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but shareware = some features unlocked by paying for the product < 1362748933 97693 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :free-to-play is kind of like shareware these days. < 1362749115 376657 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362749142 100205 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362749275 884049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362749376 378032 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: BF Joust turned out to be pretty interesting to play, you get people playing it occasionally still < 1362749382 216333 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when they have an idea for a new strategy < 1362749401 130183 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362749406 208561 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: never doubt that < 1362749426 928102 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we suspect it's inherently broken by something, but nobody's figured out what breaks it yet < 1362749449 784096 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh? < 1362749628 339724 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, there's a strategy that beats all other viable strategies < 1362749798 57572 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suspect there is a best strategy? < 1362749821 831344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, or a best strategy blend < 1362749857 163158 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt there's one single strategy that always wins. Any plan has weaknesses. < 1362749888 34 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's almost certainly a best strategy blend, though. Nash equilibriums and all that. < 1362750000 448607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362750006 675224 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except that in BF Joust, there's some cost to actually blending < 1362750051 542530 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362750301 157245 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds pretty interesting < 1362750612 372162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime elliott < 1362750614 280811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for elliott is Fri Mar 8 13:50:12 2013 < 1362750616 749088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1362750666 26075 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362750792 770445 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362750908 807597 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do C#/Java propagate/check/implement exceptions? < 1362750931 685458 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting something in a try clause has severe performance implications. < 1362751241 793484 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362751259 498003 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually you would expect that a try block does not have an impact if no exception is thrown < 1362751276 177393 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what most people on the internet say < 1362751310 868875 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :however there are measurements where just putting a throw block around some heavy calculation (no throw) stuff already decreases performance < 1362751321 930011 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and if an exception is thrown it get's horribly slow anyways) < 1362751486 56966 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362751513 318868 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list if no one already did it < 1362751513 469288 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1362751549 266920 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ping < 1362751555 447977 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!ping < 1362751563 391922 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong! < 1362751603 136183 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362751695 587869 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :!blsq_uptime < 1362751695 738659 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :12d 17h 51m 50s < 1362752076 146432 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362752080 38883 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~ping < 1362752080 272566 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pong! < 1362752148 723430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1362752149 312912 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1362752190 280518 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot's pong feels a little bit lackluster... < 1362752309 918567 :blsqbot!~blsqbot@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric : Pong! < 1362752364 618554 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do think bf joust would open a whole new branch of strategies if there'd be any kind of equality test that doesn't need to change or at least clear the cell < 1362752472 922230 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362752742 866931 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362752763 384971 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Poke can be combined with the wiggle clear to produce a deep poke. This strategy was first used in Gregor_furry_furry_strapon_pegging_girls, see its behavior against Deewiant_pendolino for a good example: Trace and animation < 1362752767 424522 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1362752769 876259 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly? < 1362752872 439435 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yarly < 1362753023 135161 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck yarly < 1362753023 383272 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yarly is a village in the Jalilabad Rayon of Azerbaijan. < 1362753059 95890 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1362753092 588533 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck Hexham < 1362753092 929780 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1362753100 728227 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1362753112 396229 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duck Duck Go has its priorities really warped < 1362753156 773696 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362753231 395527 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck taneb < 1362753231 661945 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1362753235 606204 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. < 1362753427 605761 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362753441 133380 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362753456 616289 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm back biptches < 1362754011 683508 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo ~True = 3 in foo False < 1362754013 158225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1362754017 366837 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo ~True = 3 in foo undefined < 1362754018 984018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1362754038 173821 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Conclusion: "~True" is useful only for obfuscation < 1362754051 979046 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and actually could be quite useful for obfuscation < 1362754073 812701 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo ~True = 3; foo ~False = sum [1..] in foo True < 1362754075 592624 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: UnknownError "GHC returned a result but said: [GhcError {errMs... < 1362754085 640500 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let foo ~True = 3; foo ~False = sum [1..]; in foo False < 1362754087 303319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: UnknownError "GHC returned a result but said: [GhcError {errMs... < 1362754095 927739 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let {foo ~True = 3; foo ~False = sum [1..]} in foo False < 1362754097 538664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: UnknownError "GHC returned a result but said: [GhcError {errMs... < 1362754125 137537 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval foo ~True = 3; foo ~False = sum [1..] in foo True < 1362754125 802688 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): :1:12: parse error on input `=' < 1362754134 406549 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval let foo ~True = 3; foo ~False = sum [1..] in foo True < 1362754134 900497 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Ambiguous occurrence `sum' < 1362754135 61138 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could refer to either `Data.List.sum', < 1362754135 211839 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imported from `Data.List' at Imports.hs:16:1-16 < 1362754135 211936 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or `Data.Foldable.sum', < 1362754135 211980 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imported from `Data.Foldable' at Imports.hs:13:1-20 < 1362754148 456539 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval let foo ~True = 3; foo ~False = Data.List.sum [1..] in foo True < 1362754149 47226 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): < 1362754161 477140 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as useful as ever... < 1362754224 404751 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, Serenity's on TV tonight < 1362754272 591852 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1362754279 875187 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Taneb < 1362754284 477314 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1362754303 598146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's snowing! Crazy, huh? < 1362754324 109026 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1362754324 471552 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 081400Z 02011KT 15SM FEW025 SCT180 BKN240 M01/M06 A3032 RMK SC1AC2CS4 SLP270 < 1362754329 209752 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not. < 1362754439 302308 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you read that. It looks like line noise to me. < 1362754500 84883 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362754960 958578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/half-of-26yearolds-memories-nintendorelated,2361/ < 1362755526 744130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask elliott Can you /nick Guest79759 and back to elliott, to unmessup my /query window? < 1362755527 371562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362755534 947427 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternatively, someone in here tell me how to do that in irssi. < 1362755542 751376 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362755542 901437 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362755542 901582 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362755556 694812 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What’s wrong with the window? < 1362755575 178870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, my /query elliott window says it's to Guest79759 < 1362755586 860628 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Close it and create a new one. < 1362755595 242180 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then the scrollback will disappear. < 1362755609 658601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Note: I don't keep logs. I rely on the scrollback.) < 1362755635 829370 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s a script for irssi that restores it from the logs, i think. IIRC think weechat does that natively. So, simply start logging and get something with that functionality. < 1362755649 982503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I refuse to start logging. < 1362755689 166001 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard your brain has been logging IRC. < 1362755714 724460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but imprecisely. < 1362755753 699165 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362755824 621410 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1362755826 581576 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky QUIT :Excess Flood < 1362755854 608325 :Sanky!~SankyZNC@unaffiliated/sanky JOIN :#esoteric < 1362755954 459955 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362756355 39848 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1362756872 490717 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362756973 347324 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362757522 472020 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362757664 775101 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362757828 995064 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1362757854 651448 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1362757958 882299 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :howdy < 1362758729 382595 :mroman_!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ulloh < 1362759130 586747 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362759183 648113 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362759216 230362 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362759696 811486 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1362759730 335456 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :who is Snowyowl < 1362759744 103225 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a very deep question < 1362759753 504895 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who are any of us, really? < 1362759765 740170 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know when it snows and somebody shouts "snow! y'all!" < 1362759768 820700 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's him < 1362759770 558639 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you seemed to think we should know when you proclaimed "i'm back biptches[sic]" < 1362759870 696578 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really. I'd dropped offline for 5 or so minutes and the conversation was a little slow. < 1362759884 401259 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was just something to say. < 1362760301 423534 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the conversation, you musn't meddle with it. especially on fridays, where it may explode in ludicrous gibs. < 1362760345 470836 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will meddle with whatever I see fit < 1362760366 128851 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversations, computer systems, the fabric of reality, my dinner, etc. < 1362760422 938666 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION taps a plain and enchants the conversation with a flickering ward. < 1362760495 603257 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, no counterspells left < 1362760562 469164 :Snowyowl!4f8d542d@gateway/web/freenode/ip.79.141.84.45 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION plays a Storm Crow < 1362761164 594458 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362761398 78704 :kallisti!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362761398 464187 :kallisti!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1362761398 614455 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1362761718 774507 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362762351 139534 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362762381 926731 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Illusionist is a good film < 1362762567 364744 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1362762581 829543 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it is < 1362762729 637694 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am glad we are in agreement < 1362762758 89295 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless you're talking about the 2010 animated film, which I lack an opinion on due to not having seen it < 1362762794 365337 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not. I'm talking about the one where the main character eventually starts with spirit illusions. < 1362762819 808895 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :And where the whole story turns out to be an illusion, to trick the bad guys < 1362762831 546835 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, bad guys, that depends on the point of view of course < 1362762893 178268 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1362762897 455506 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I am talking about < 1362762906 282394 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, great movie < 1362763139 35913 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db40159.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: do-be-do-doo < 1362763350 193924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362763692 415728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362763719 534947 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is vim syntax highlighting nondeterministic < 1362764113 397292 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :emacs syntax highlighting is also nondeterministic because it tries to do it lazily < 1362764232 925976 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.news.com.au/technology/patient-has-75-per-cent-of-his-skull-replaced-by-3dd-printed-implant/story-e6frfro0-1226593075470 < 1362764406 360054 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :3dd? < 1362764416 506185 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool cats have 100% of their skull replaced. < 1362764715 956046 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362765048 468438 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cs.ox.ac.uk/people/jeremy.gibbons/publications/rationals.pdf I like this < 1362765083 364312 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is it < 1362765088 564409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a pdf < 1362765089 134622 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1362765099 482461 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1362765172 991718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362765194 522441 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about generating an infinite list of all the rationals, with no repeat values < 1362765230 935446 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't seem very hard? < 1362765247 676523 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a functional pearl, they're not about hard things < 1362765251 373094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except when they are < 1362765254 637953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they usually aren't < 1362765257 515891 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1362765262 643866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about the journey, not the destination < 1362765387 30324 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :If we take that out of it's context... is it then a great truth? < 1362765391 482853 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :*its < 1362765447 735481 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362765917 573453 :audioPhil!~audioPhil@lak-117-27.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1362765981 445945 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1362766092 863597 :audioPhil!~audioPhil@lak-117-27.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey folks < 1362766093 734089 :audioPhil!~audioPhil@lak-117-27.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de PRIVMSG #esoteric :anybody here that knows how to read and write "Maze"? < 1362766186 978929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1362766190 637952 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCE05F.dip.t-dialin.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362766236 863049 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362766244 44356 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle interleave < 1362766244 553998 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :package interleave < 1362766244 704026 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.VertexArrays data InterleavedArrays < 1362766244 704143 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Graphics.Rendering.OpenGL.GL.VertexArrays interleavedArrays :: InterleavedArrays -> Stride -> Ptr a -> IO () < 1362766252 638691 :daniela_12aleja1!~canaima@190.73.99.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362766281 14311 :daniela_12aleja1!~canaima@190.73.99.66 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362766410 869061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1362766485 594936 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362766992 137496 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In some other IRC I connected, I found a "Logon session Fortune Cookie" which appears as a second MOTD. Would having two MOTD at once ever cause problem in any cases? < 1362767028 30601 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362767204 563874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362767251 302198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :welliott < 1362767260 159492 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No renicking, huh? < 1362768242 667151 :daniela_12alejan!~canaima@190.73.99.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362768243 527239 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/tswett //' bin/list < 1362768248 869469 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362768257 97522 :daniela_12alejan!~canaima@190.73.99.66 PART :#esoteric < 1362768270 351310 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep tswett bin/list | wc < 1362768273 890677 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 0 0 0 < 1362768332 760727 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep HackEgo bin/list | wc < 1362768337 273703 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 1 47 318 < 1362768418 256817 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1362768427 435427 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo Sgeo monqy pikhq Sgeo_ Phantom_Hoover nortti oklopol Ngevd < 1362768437 42549 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo `list < 1362768437 233475 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1362768445 268369 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo Sgeo monqy pikhq Sgeo_ Phantom_Hoover nortti oklopol Ngevd < 1362768449 501286 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1362768453 867533 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cuttlefish boily elliott Taneb HackEgo Sgeo monqy pikhq Sgeo_ Phantom_Hoover nortti oklopol Ngevd metasepia < 1362768466 703791 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rung sed -i 's/cuttlefish //' bin/list < 1362768468 185442 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rung: not found < 1362768472 235071 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/cuttlefish //' bin/list < 1362768477 94237 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362768506 310835 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to deprive cuttlefish of updates to the list? < 1362768540 958 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could recuttle the list, even if the bot is no more. < 1362768558 182079 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rung it up. < 1362768568 347024 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/^/cuttlefish /' bin/list < 1362768569 340358 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you PLEASE stop highlighting me, i hear it's really annoying!! < 1362768572 556988 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362768619 381075 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ok..pol //' bin/list < 1362768623 513256 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362768627 788921 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm... we could morse core øklopol by hiliting him with multiple bots. < 1362768634 634145 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/core/code/ < 1362768645 465165 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep -e 'ok..pol' bin/list | wc < 1362768648 36344 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ 0 0 0 < 1362768657 999521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wrong sedding < 1362768671 293212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 2396 < 1362768673 278105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :easiest just to restore it < 1362768680 651995 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1362768680 810322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there's a lot of sh gunk before the names < 1362768697 543125 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yeah. silly me. < 1362768716 163649 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ok..pol //' bin/list < 1362768720 140565 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362768762 600999 :audioPhil!~audioPhil@lak-117-27.wohnheime.ruhr-uni-bochum.de PART :#esoteric < 1362768789 401849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo echo >bin/list # optimisation < 1362768792 954633 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362768833 82601 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list isn't list anymore! < 1362768834 700355 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362768867 425061 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point indeed < 1362768889 601216 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not disapprove. < 1362768895 128307 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you vile unlister! < 1362769007 71871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :misdirected, I feel < 1362769072 842792 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362769249 239422 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362769359 843551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, could instead do it in a stateless way, like: < 1362769383 572688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://sprunge.us/hjCT < 1362769387 172413 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-08 19:03:05 URL:http://sprunge.us/hjCT [142] -> "hjCT" [1] < 1362769389 867200 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv hjCT bin/list; chmod +x bin/list < 1362769394 564173 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362769395 656741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that will break in 2020. < 1362769411 831250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe less elegant since it doesn't quite do the same as ais523's version. < 1362769434 211714 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 2020, the world will have ended. < 1362769443 465554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very true < 1362769726 652968 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1362769735 261412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1362769737 841102 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo Taneb < 1362769747 136707 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362769753 540251 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fgrep? < 1362769761 522384 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362769768 774888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that there will be false positives: Anyone who used `list back when it was Homestuck related < 1362769780 485119 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :?? when did i get on the list < 1362769781 154682 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : when did i get on the list < 1362769789 113471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is bullshit and thank you for concurring < 1362769792 75893 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's a new list < 1362769802 383429 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rm bin/list < 1362769802 532877 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why am I on it! < 1362769806 365729 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone who has ever said `list < 1362769807 986047 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362769812 133574 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I haven't... < 1362769814 218844 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert < 1362769814 642767 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1362769817 886876 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1362769819 724232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/list < 1362769823 271171 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/list < 1362769851 184731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can make impersonations < 1362769867 452115 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that so. < 1362769885 86757 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobarbaz> `list < 1362769886 416257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1362769888 698507 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo Taneb < 1362769903 365067 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362769910 597531 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) `list < 1362769910 997364 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: `list < 1362769920 267559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't * usually greedy? < 1362769934 757833 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in regexes? yeah < 1362769938 325167 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, he has reformed his ways. < 1362769952 646362 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So why didn't my thing wo.. oh < 1362769954 744745 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone keeps pinging me :< < 1362769956 543526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1362769966 821251 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you see the true horror of the list, fiora < 1362769967 60996 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi, Fiora! < 1362770013 791109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyaa < 1362770026 155615 :SUPREME_BUTT_SUI!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362770026 307410 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the list is not horrorful, it is wonderful, awesome, causes rejuvenescence and will slice your pineapples! (oh, and the obligatory Fiora-ping) < 1362770032 350132 :SUPREME_BUTT_SUI!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1362770033 726160 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the true terror < 1362770034 379760 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1362770043 436952 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: nice choice < 1362770045 727633 :SUPREME_BUTT_SUI!6b0598fd@gateway/web/freenode/ip.107.5.152.253 QUIT :Client Quit < 1362770065 219269 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i must admonish you for destroying the purity of the list < 1362770094 138043 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a sui? < 1362770097 45138 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...oh, the new list is kind of a thing, huh. < 1362770108 274872 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the command to search the logs with a regex again? < 1362770113 301768 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Short for "sui generis"? < 1362770122 729886 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, like, "supreme butt of its own kind"? < 1362770165 259288 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, hm? < 1362770168 497991 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :choice? < 1362770178 324283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :of name. < 1362770204 118373 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :foobarbaz is not really a creative name < 1362770209 173308 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant SUPREME BUTT SUI. < 1362770232 919007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not choose that name. I do not know who SUPREME BUTT SUI is < 1362770238 489921 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it isn't me. < 1362770268 266980 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa. < 1362770316 76828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Curry-Howard, when the logic is classical logic, it is with continuations; but what is it when the logic has numbers in it? < 1362770353 719319 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just embed numbers in classical logic < 1362770390 945394 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362770442 799069 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can you give an example of logic that has numbers in it? < 1362770453 877518 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi monqy. There's a new list. < 1362770457 239401 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi sgeo < 1362770487 285556 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Something like Typographical Number Theory, I guess < 1362770495 724220 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*list < 1362770498 547504 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/elist \ bin/emptylist \ bin/list \ bin/makelist \ bin/mlist \ bin/olist \ bin/pbflist \ bin/slist \ bin/smlist \ bin/testlist < 1362770516 992842 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/listofpeoplewhowishtobenotifiedwheneverhomestuckupdates < 1362770543 861058 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders TNT under the CHI. < 1362770548 981190 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Yes, that matches the glob *list < 1362770556 340043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`eslis < 1362770559 211628 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: eslis: not found < 1362770559 458791 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`elist < 1362770561 587541 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1362770567 90062 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/updateshomestuckwhenevernotifiedbetowishwhopeopleoflist < 1362770568 795276 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/elist < 1362770571 166485 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo elliott < 1362770571 990674 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist < 1362770574 563234 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist: shachaf monqy elliott < 1362770574 797570 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott's updating faster these days < 1362770585 194776 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a FORTH bot. < 1362770592 396136 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gforth --version < 1362770594 365280 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gforth 0.7.0 < 1362770597 562927 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DONE < 1362770612 845480 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362770656 908872 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gforth WORDS < 1362770659 100562 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ *OS command line*:-1: No such file or directory \ >>>WORDS<<< \ Backtrace: \ $40E25F40 throw \ $40E23030 required \ $40E2A750 execute \ $40032BD0 \ $40037A00 \ $4002E000 \ $40028FE0 \ $40E2A720 \ $40E217C8 catch \ $40E22FD0 execute-parsing-wrapper \ $40E23090 os-execute-parsing \ $40E23668 args-required < 1362770671 709327 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo WORDS | gforth - < 1362770674 579015 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown option: - \ Gforth 0.7.0, Copyright (C) 1995-2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ Gforth comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `license' \ Type `bye' to exit \ WORDS \ mov-regv-Iv mov-reg8-Ib xchg-ax jcc-short conditions pop-reg push-reg \ set-add-likes set-add-like set-noarg rAX,Iz AL,Ib Gv,Ev Gb,Eb Ev,Gv \ Eb,Gb Iv Jz Iz < 1362770686 912975 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo DUP | gforth < 1362770689 183814 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gforth 0.7.0, Copyright (C) 1995-2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ Gforth comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `license' \ Type `bye' to exit \ \ :1: Stack underflow \ >>>DUP<<< \ Backtrace:DUP < 1362770699 814875 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo WORDS | gforth < 1362770703 34167 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gforth 0.7.0, Copyright (C) 1995-2008 Free Software Foundation, Inc. \ Gforth comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY; for details type `license' \ Type `bye' to exit \ WORDS \ mov-regv-Iv mov-reg8-Ib xchg-ax jcc-short conditions pop-reg push-reg \ set-add-likes set-add-like set-noarg rAX,Iz AL,Ib Gv,Ev Gb,Eb Ev,Gv \ Eb,Gb Iv Jz Iz immz Jb Ib Ev Ed Eb < 1362770714 986539 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the fuck kind of words are those? < 1362770719 720767 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good words < 1362770764 148338 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Words that aren't so mean and nasty as the eff word. < 1362770776 129032 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362770777 896327 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pineapply words. < 1362770778 112150 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the mov-regv-lv kindn of words are those? < 1362770790 353694 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the rAX,lz kind of words are those? < 1362770794 470988 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, I think I disagree. < 1362770796 611995 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo WORDS | gforth | paste < 1362770807 823651 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27233 < 1362770807 974107 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The word "fuck" is all cute and dainty. < 1362770809 848895 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net NICK :atriq < 1362770812 262205 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1362770815 920744 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1362770816 559780 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"rAX,lz" is clearly a harsh evil alien word. < 1362770821 58694 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a lot o' words. < 1362770824 589277 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1362770834 157648 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it has too many words. < 1362770844 769082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so wait, shachaf never ran `list? < 1362770858 283929 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's GNU, whaddya expect? < 1362770865 868445 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo shachaf `list < 1362770866 105075 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf `list < 1362770877 694793 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that is correct < 1362770879 656390 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there, two shachafy list-hits. < 1362770883 523301 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :~echo `list < 1362770884 144335 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1362770887 423251 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1362770890 2939 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Classy. < 1362770892 86024 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo FORGET (listlfind) WORDS | gforth | paste < 1362770892 339269 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. < 1362770894 767348 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bash: -c: line 0: syntax error near unexpected token `(' \ bash: -c: line 0: `echo FORGET (listlfind) WORDS | gforth | paste' < 1362770898 870113 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362770919 333025 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can the log be fooled with a literal new... probably not < 1362770925 563681 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'FORGET (listlfind) WORDS' | gforth | paste < 1362770934 597940 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to be possible to fool people in Active Worlds by using a newline < 1362770936 556792 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ \ :1: Undefined word \ >>>FORGET<<< (listlfind) WORDS \ Backtrace: \ $40E1AA68 throw \ $40E30CE0 no.extensions \ $40E1AD28 interpreter-notfound1 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12928 < 1362770940 837703 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think literal newlines are allowed in IRC. < 1362770946 391124 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION GASSPSPSPSS < 1362770979 940851 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell elliott Avoid Riding Mill Methodist Church next Friday evening. < 1362770980 353040 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362771034 247135 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Gly-Ala-Ser-Ser-Pro-Ser-Pro-Ser-Pro-Ser-Ser? < 1362771037 961327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: wow you know riding mill exists? < 1362771038 377388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1362771049 609535 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yeah, definitely. < 1362771058 336551 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, some of my best friends live in Riding Mill! < 1362771060 33000 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... < 1362771074 987446 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One person I know was planning on moving there but her family changed their mind < 1362771086 965673 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: this isn't a *real* FORTH! < 1362771098 134935 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'm going to be attending a play in Riding Mill in ALMOST PRECISELY ONE WEEK'S TIME < 1362771143 731755 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Your mom isn't a real Forth, but we still let her... yeah, Idonno how to finish that. < 1362771214 254487 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't want the universe to explode < 1362771227 528077 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe some kind of pun on being stacked < 1362771253 742462 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck idonno < 1362771254 25166 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1362771324 244872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck friends < 1362771324 786362 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :friends definition: one attached to another by affection or esteem. < 1362771327 727407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362771343 916068 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, now you know < 1362771356 588123 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps I count as a friend to you < 1362771363 165879 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck nephew < 1362771363 454932 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nephew definition: a son of one's brother or sister or of one's brother-in-law or sister-in-law. < 1362771371 894863 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck aardwolf < 1362771372 200110 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aardwolf definition: a maned striped nocturnal mammal ('''Proteles cristatus''') of southern and eastern Africa that resembles the related hyenas and feeds chiefly on insects and especially termites. < 1362771380 240230 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, speaking of nephews. < 1362771397 689236 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I'm not elliott's uncle. < 1362771401 577604 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am. < 1362771405 539587 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1362771409 80796 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is now capable of saying a few words. < 1362771424 185407 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day, he suddenly started excitedly saying, "No! No! No!" < 1362771434 11816 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is completely subjugated, fulgurated, shocked, and surprised. < 1362771435 385925 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It took me a while to realize he was referring to the snow outside. < 1362771441 135604 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck fulgurate < 1362771441 374513 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fulgurate definition: the act or process of flashing like lightning. < 1362771450 485821 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck amphichiral < 1362771450 841848 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of or relating to the structural characteristic of a molecule that makes it impossible to superimpose it on its mirror image. < 1362771455 478312 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, is this... the same elliott? < 1362771461 738501 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is. < 1362771468 343132 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is two and a half years old now. < 1362771477 73328 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because our elliott lives in Hexham and there hasn't been any snow here for a couple of weeks < 1362771494 915902 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We pulled up YouTube on an iPad and let him use it himself. < 1362771509 405036 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty cool how he was capable of selecting his own videos and telling them to play. < 1362771513 163420 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! no! no! brainfuck derivatives! < 1362771516 292976 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously the same elliott < 1362771520 651201 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :But he only watched each video for about ten seconds before moving on to the next one. < 1362771529 843183 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGNT < 1362771530 222435 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNT 081920Z 08009KT 3500 -RA BR BKN003 03/03 Q1005 < 1362771540 412083 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers station bot?? < 1362771550 430975 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's raining in newcastle, therefore the elliotts are distinct. < 1362771564 959038 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, only weather info. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/METAR < 1362771569 587784 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily's Newcastle Theorem. < 1362771608 130852 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote it's raining in newcastle, therefore the elliotts are distinct. boily's Newcastle Theorem. < 1362771609 353464 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's be nifty for my bot to numbers station :D < 1362771616 389379 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :981) it's raining in newcastle, therefore the elliotts are distinct. boily's Newcastle Theorem. < 1362771622 513929 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KGRR < 1362771622 908810 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KGRR 081853Z 22005KT 10SM CLR 03/M07 A3044 RMK AO2 SLP319 T00331067 < 1362771640 289118 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, KGRR's is longer. < 1362771651 369716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats at least seventy more spaces than necessary Taneb < 1362771662 541479 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And? < 1362771678 835404 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, can you add a utility to convert IATA to ICAO? < 1362771690 772788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can. < 1362771755 353233 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, let's see. That's the 8th of the month at 18:53 Zulu time, or 1:53 PM local time. < 1362771843 427694 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The temperature is 3 degrees Celsius and the frost point is -7 degrees Celsius. < 1362771862 762245 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, in the common tongue, 37 F and 19 F. < 1362771878 770985 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh... Fahrenheit... < 1362771926 495166 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION merrily swats tswett with a minimalist design, german engineered flexible and shiny SI thermometer < 1362771980 436493 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ugh... Kelvin... < 1362771992 145419 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo reamur < 1362772029 479723 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wind at 5 knots from 220 degrees. < 1362772045 96923 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362772273 111155 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat, KGRR has detailed temperature infos. it is 3.3 °C, with dew point at -6.7 °C. < 1362772284 168142 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362772288 240894 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Visibility is 10 miles. The altimeter setting is 30.44 inches mercury. There's an automated precipitation sensor. The pressure at sea level is... 1031.9 hectopascals? < 1362772302 841910 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362772313 149947 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep. once again weird pressure units! < 1362772328 592312 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 psi < 1362772333 161211 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: presumably calculated from values rounded to the nearest degree Fahrenheit. < 1362772465 167095 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PART :#esoteric < 1362772548 136118 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: probably. occult and subversive unitary heresy. < 1362772738 111636 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what the purpose of METAR is, anyway. < 1362772789 355686 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pilots, mainly. otherwise for geeking out at a precise and frequent source of numeric data. < 1362772922 853079 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362772992 918463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric : #esoteric is supposed to be about esoteric programming languages, but is really a couple of dozen people being weird | Newsflash: every single letter is 'U' | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1362773018 999636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no one can complain about misleading topic now. Uu uuuu? < 1362773081 920708 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this channel was about esoteric language spotting. ggg ggg G! < 1362773107 481113 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :U uuuuu U uuuuuuuu uuuu uuu uuuuu. < 1362773131 418324 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuuuu uuuuuuuuuu uuuuu uuuuuuu uuuu uuu uuu U. Uuu uuuuuuu, "u". < 1362773155 862288 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuuuuu, uuuuuuu'u uuuuuuuu? U uuuu uuuuu uuu uuuu uuuu. < 1362773165 621666 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ǚ. < 1362773167 84328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: U uuuuuuuu. < 1362773173 738557 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuuuuu uuuu Uuuuuuuu, uu uuuuuuu Uuuu'u uuuuuu. < 1362773198 731845 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: U uuu'u uuuuuu uuuuuuuuuu uuuu uuu'uu uuuuuu. < 1362773217 216611 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuuuuuu uu uuuuuu uuuu uuuuuuuuu uuu uuuuuuu uuuu "u". < 1362773222 722875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :U UUU < 1362773242 988090 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw that wasn't the part i changed) < 1362773543 611630 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362773661 266493 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run welcome | uuu < 1362773663 954881 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uuuuuuu uu uuu uuuuuuuuuuuuu uuu uuu uuuuuuuu uuuuuuuuuuu uuuuuuuu uuuuuu uuu uuuuuuuuuu! Uuu uuuu uuuuuuuuuuu, uuuuu uuu uuu uuuu: uuuu://uuuuuuuu.uuu/uuuu/Uuuu_Uuuu. (Uuu uuu uuuuu uuuu uu uuuuuuuuu, uuu #uuuuuuuu uu uuu.uuu.uuu.) < 1362773750 968088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : ^ping < 1362773756 222048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am sure i added that. < 1362773763 182922 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ping < 1362773772 596305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess fizzie didn't save though < 1362773790 150178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def ping ul (pong)S < 1362773790 300250 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1362773819 375168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe someone else added it < 1362773858 576565 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362773872 443523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def ping ul (That Pong alone can't stop!)S < 1362773872 593516 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1362773891 838403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1362773892 267319 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the essence of scheme's interactivity. in case you really want speed, develop in whatever and then added " so that someone can clean? < 1362773895 244468 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be stopped by that sword alone. < 1362773900 154685 :phiscribe!~david@98.157.5.116 PART #esoteric :"Ex-Chat" < 1362773903 926448 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def ping ul (That Pong alone cannot stop!)S < 1362773904 77064 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1362773947 778774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: _now_ you can save hth < 1362774226 260002 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362774552 976746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover.............................................. < 1362774560 439057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't false-alarm-update `smlist < 1362774676 549571 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :random late Friday afternoon question: has anyone here dabbled with bitcoins? < 1362774690 291056 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dabbled with bitcoins once. < 1362774741 504873 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo waffle waffle waffle < 1362774743 718848 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :waffle waffle waffle < 1362774767 216592 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I ran the program for about 15 minutes then got bored :-) < 1362774783 715418 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering: is it possible for bitcoins to disappear and volatilize themselves? like, there's a bug in a transaction, and the amount doesn't exist anymore? < 1362774805 390835 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough, if I'm connected to a server through a VPN, and I turn off the VPN, the connection stops working. < 1362774833 777699 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362774844 10829 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1362774848 93770 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1362774863 639413 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: have you tried #bitcoin? < 1362774865 880050 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good advice: if you write a forkbomb, don't test it on your primary computer < 1362775096 293929 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: I'm going to. < 1362775112 798328 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test it on HackEgo! < 1362775114 545801 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: not testing bombs on your main machine is for wimps. < 1362775183 202573 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix(forever.forkIO) < 1362775244 488537 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott still there? < 1362775274 766893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 981 < 1362775276 402195 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :981) it's raining in newcastle, therefore the elliotts are distinct. boily's Newcastle Theorem. < 1362775296 123063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i '981s/ / /' quotes < 1362775299 697375 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362775303 267789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote 981 < 1362775306 32104 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :981) it's raining in newcastle, therefore the elliotts are distinct. boily's Newcastle Theorem. < 1362775346 887335 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: I typed them out manually rather than copy-pasting < 1362775357 878324 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you write a fork bomb in the first place? < 1362775368 504085 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, to see how hard it'd be in Haskell < 1362775391 680889 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "fix$forever.forkIO < 1362775393 304554 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:27: < 1362775393 472578 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at end of input < 1362775394 934407 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m( < 1362775395 751591 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "fix$forever.forkIO" < 1362775397 366281 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 18 < 1362775426 365886 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual program is 18 characters, however inputs et al. bring it up a tad < 1362775457 105312 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "import Control.Concurrent;import Control.Monad;import Data.Function;main=fix$forever.forkIO" < 1362775458 695639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 91 < 1362775494 309350 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell: Not good for Twitter-sized programs. < 1362775498 561694 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the trivalent logic operator such that foo True = True; foo _ = Unknown? < 1362775535 487116 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, if I wanted Twitter-sized programs, I'd seriously rethink my life < 1362775555 19951 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1362775560 730112 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think it's foo < 1362775572 929691 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shit. < 1362775731 440107 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if it's possible to write a bf interpreter in a tweet < 1362775767 381591 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative to what machine?? < 1362775781 666485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: http://j.mearie.org/post/1181041789/brainfuck-interpreter-in-2-lines-of-c < 1362775817 684795 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the golf it burns < 1362775935 509293 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1362775980 806516 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even < 1362776003 176280 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bit explaination would be nice < 1362776009 344041 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to make programs that fit in a QR-code < 1362776017 598971 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362776033 131394 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: android virusses? < 1362776084 264099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1362776099 454741 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: did you scroll down < 1362776119 218367 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362776137 372192 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. that syscall... < 1362776144 126994 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good syscall < 1362776170 152199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think someone might have made a QR-code encoding the PNG file of itself < 1362776171 582762 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: https://chart.googleapis.com/chart?cht=qr&chs=350x350&chld=L&choe=UTF-8&chl=%23include+%3Cstdio.h%3E%0Aint+main(void)%7Bprintf(%22Hello%2C+world!%5Cn%22)%3Breturn+0%3B%7D%0A < 1362776194 156747 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That would be cool. < 1362776201 294060 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, usually in those cases, the code is Scheme or a variant thereof. < 1362776209 983143 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw someone who made a zip file that contained itself < 1362776216 417758 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I need to find that project with flashy flowers and an arduino derivative...) < 1362776228 56510 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362776251 770880 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that BASIC programs for the Nintendo 3DS are stored in QR-codes, although you normally need several. < 1362776252 238002 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://research.swtch.com/zip < 1362776255 819974 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zip file of length N that expands to a zip file of length N+1 that expands to a zip file of... < 1362776427 16730 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really think "select-encode" and "select-decode" instruction of a CPU really would be useful in many cases, so I want to learn how to program it into a Verilog code of an existing CPU core. < 1362776511 132205 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm wondering. what's the shortest bf interpreter out there, regardless of language < 1362776524 39527 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also think they would be useful in C to make ~< and ~> operators, really, I do things that I want such operators, a lot < 1362776535 151508 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i made a language where every program is a bf interpreter < 1362776540 222909 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: checkmate??? < 1362776545 602359 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no... < 1362776556 831771 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: waiting for HQ9+BF? < 1362776576 76166 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: "regardless of language" means you can just define a language etc etc monqy < 1362776583 831026 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like the most tired esoteric programming language """"joke""""" ever < 1362776608 396374 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the answer is: yes, you could do this, but i'm going to punch you in the face < 1362776625 330139 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :challenge considered < 1362776626 460882 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turing relativity isn't a joke it's the basis of life! < 1362776641 166292 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or kolmogorov relativity would be a better name i guess, w/e < 1362776695 320013 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thingy thingy something about the question being wack < 1362776706 319521 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight up wack < 1362776728 650421 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck quack < 1362776728 988275 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quack definition: to make the characteristic cry of a duck. < 1362776807 799099 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are languages that take as input a thing and its output goes through a brainfuck implementation. cat is a brainfuck interpreter. thank you tehz. < 1362776986 886809 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: the official FAQ about bitcoins confirm my fear: a spurrious electronic mishap can destroy forever bitcoins. < 1362776987 74492 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's tehz why're we thanking them < 1362777010 570661 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: losing your wallet can, too < 1362777021 36821 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:TehZ < 1362777088 453811 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainbrain oh < 1362777094 772563 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/TehZ < 1362777100 613406 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unparseable is a language designed to be hard (maybe impossible?) to parse. It is context-sensitive, it REQUIRES you to mix the parser and the interpreter, and it allows you to redefine commands while the program is running." < 1362777103 391132 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Perl! < 1362777112 263051 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just look at enough of what tehz's done and you'll understand why thanking him is a funny joke :-) < 1362777114 637982 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℒ feels weirdly dual to this. < 1362777164 80373 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Postfix_notation thanks tehz < 1362777190 277320 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck boily < 1362777190 534315 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1362777195 355237 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surround notation is pretty :-) < 1362777195 710211 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Unparseable suddenly I have no desire to make an interpreted Trustfuck < 1362777196 925841 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Surround_notation < 1362777223 408390 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wikipedia link to the linguistics page :') < 1362777230 886500 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :surround. notation. wtf. < 1362777235 435428 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless... you write an interpreter, and it becomes a compiler by magic < 1362777240 137317 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: I am unduckable. < 1362777250 638852 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck unduckable < 1362777250 916270 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1362777256 884453 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: tehz is also 'infamous' for http://esolangs.org/wiki/Meta_Turing-complete < 1362777281 5289 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? < 1362777284 171497 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1362777470 816506 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362777715 233793 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :This "Unparseable" language looks vaguely defined. < 1362777760 566571 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says that the & command modifies the program. It implies that the & command does this before being executed. < 1362777762 913929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair, so is perl < 1362777781 502296 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which implies that Unparseable has separate compile-time and run-time semantics. < 1362777835 140245 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also implies that the = command works at compile-time, not at run-time. < 1362777850 222588 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woa.. check this out http://thecarpandtheseagull.thecreatorsproject.com/ < 1362777857 668528 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1362777904 946836 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not currently clear whether / works at compile-time or run-time. < 1362777936 616707 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :In any case, both / and = only apply to the commands following them. < 1362777971 617404 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, what do you think of Trustfuck? < 1362778005 309166 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. In addition to implying that = works at compile-time, it strongly implies that it works at run-time. < 1362778032 441426 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yeah, the Unparseable spec is just self-contradictory. < 1362778035 278394 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I'm not familiar with it. < 1362778052 568225 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Trustfuck < 1362778116 384162 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :my browser doesn't support opengl, dawg < 1362778222 664745 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: mm, dunno. < 1362778223 175456 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps the most confusing thing about trustfuck is... why would you make EOF -1 < 1362778258 333273 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, specifying EOF makes it easier to write compilers that read _all_ input, not just input cut off by NUL < 1362778273 412049 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I need to come up with an interesting esolang. < 1362778279 144406 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll think about it over the next however long. < 1362778287 225978 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interesting thing is what a compiled in ! does < 1362778300 72077 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you make a compiler for a similar language except all the commands are shifted < 1362778313 444295 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, the shifted ! will accept the shifted commands as the primitives < 1362778321 593923 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this sounds strangely malbolgey. < 1362778391 888640 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really get trustfuck at all < 1362778408 832753 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"It is intended to be compiled, and the compiler, written in Trustfuck," < 1362778418 91997 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the compiler *must* be written in trustfuck? < 1362778459 646239 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1362778502 89768 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Haskell implementation, but conceptually it is the compiled form of the Trustfuck code < 1362778536 399032 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually literally includes ",+[-:,+]!" < 1362778633 563019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: there's an implicit "which is" before "written" < 1362778647 898209 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm let me try to make an implementation in python < 1362778685 18222 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have brains so i can't read the haskell code < 1362778697 624517 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can describe how the Haskell works if that helps < 1362778698 924160 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't really get why you need the whole primSource string < 1362778716 21094 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, to compile the code into haskell i guess < 1362778743 570352 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's effectively an almost-quine < 1362778817 145932 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much of the body of the code acts as an interpreter for primitives. < 1362778831 429078 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone explain why underload puts stuff with parentheses on the stack? < 1362778880 267274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: because that's the main way of getting a constant program onto the stack < 1362778899 96283 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With one constant holding the compiled-into-primitives code that represents the program that is currently running. < 1362778913 72178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the only command which can work if the stack is empty to start with < 1362778934 687588 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, when I compile X into primitives, I emit what is effectively interpreter+prims to interpret < 1362778944 960877 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do understand why he uses (...) to put stuff on the stack < 1362778945 268901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: or do you mean something else? < 1362778957 621597 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I compile, I also push myself onto the compilerStack that will be emitted < 1362778963 806030 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362778969 658340 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i don't get is why it doesn't just put the stuff without the parantheses on the stack < 1362778993 135184 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is, after having run the code block through the compiler stack. The compiler stack also consists of, effectively, lists of primitives < 1362779006 665316 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, that's just how the specific implementation you're looking at workds < 1362779012 782962 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I run the code block as input to the most recent, then that through second-most-recent, etc. < 1362779033 560243 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, wait, that's not accurate. < 1362779047 865957 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: oh. that's just the notation for stacks which i invented... doing it that way means you can just put the stack in front of the program without separating them. that is very useful for when you think of underload as a concatenative language, but ais523 (the language inventor) found it weird too < 1362779058 852463 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I run the code block as input to the top of the compiler stack, and while that is running, the compiler stack is conceptually popped < 1362779074 887080 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he used to have the stack without parentheses < 1362779075 174052 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So when the top compiler calls compile, the next program on the compiler stack starts running < 1362779116 287368 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: i wish people could just trust me that it works much better thinking about the language that way :( < 1362779118 462420 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When compile is called while compiler stack is empty, that's when the Haskell program + new compilerStack and program is emitted < 1362779129 204067 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, is this making any sense? < 1362779133 806843 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1362779142 160079 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it soudns like it's a lot easier to do in an imperative language < 1362779162 391625 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meh, not really. < 1362779169 885859 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: and without it we'd need some other notation to separate stack elements < 1362779170 218524 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's the same really < 1362779195 211602 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't _really_ change the compiler stack. What if a program wants to do something weird like call compile twice? < 1362779201 633668 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, more work has already been done for you? because you can translate brainfuck code into simple statements like "while t[p]:" instead of having to write a whole interpreter yourself < 1362779239 156054 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1362779296 222279 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, you have a stack of compilers that you have to run. So you'd have to call portions of that generated imperative code. < 1362779310 672105 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe c0 c1 c2 etc? And functions ... hm < 1362779326 531628 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions s0 s1 s2 and s2 may end up running s1 which runs s0? < 1362779345 514527 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get the compiler stack thin < 1362779355 705894 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'm about to find out the hard way < 1362779357 386238 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why i need it < 1362779358 487595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1362779372 45082 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose I write, in Trustfuck, a compiler for a language Trustfuck+ < 1362779376 951471 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trustfuck ++ < 1362779379 194433 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1362779411 463504 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the Trustfuck++ compiler (written in Trustfuck) translates Trustfuck++ code to Trustfuck code before calling !, right? < 1362779413 602772 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(does trustfuck have 8-bit cells?) < 1362779424 681822 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unspecified, but must be allowed to be negatvie < 1362779427 458134 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :negative < 1362779431 556259 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362779434 783000 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll write it non-wrapping < 1362779458 546812 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, what happens when Trustfuck++ uses !? < 1362779473 163362 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! in Trustfuck++ will take Trustfuck++ code < 1362779485 140370 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the Trustfuck++ compiler will need to be run < 1362779504 67596 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is written in trustfuck? < 1362779512 218094 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you need the trustfuck compiler, etc? < 1362779526 357954 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, at the bottom level it's primitive compilation < 1362779590 155569 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Incidentally, ! in Trustfuck++ taking Trustfuck++ is automatic, it's the meaning of Trustfuck's !) < 1362779620 238724 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's a bit of an easy mode < 1362779709 94424 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the Haskell implementation does include the Trustfuck written in Trustfuck compiler < 1362779711 868372 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1362779713 576727 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362779741 628972 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which seemed easier than writing the code to actually, for each character do this, compile, etc. < 1362779744 616805 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reuse of machinery < 1362779768 731903 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although if you're compiling into while's, etc., that wouldn't be so helpful for you < 1362779969 341880 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'd really like to see people making better languages with the core Trustfuck concept, rather than more implementations < 1362779972 6745 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But whatever < 1362779983 1796 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362780477 866038 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be honest, i don't get the core trustfuck concept < 1362780490 46198 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/MbjAElkz this might work idk < 1362780502 103296 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to give actual ! code a shot < 1362780600 676824 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops theres some obvious things wrong with this < 1362780641 381560 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362780651 484986 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python is not the best language for emitting. < 1362780721 250335 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname, the core idea is that the details of the target of compilers is hidden, you write compilers that target Haskell or Python or whatever without writing a drop of Haskell or Python < 1362780808 862687 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And when you write a compiler for another language in Trustfuck, that language's compile instruction also does not need to do Trustfuck, you're always compiling to the language you're writing the compiler in. < 1362781006 886950 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: http://codepad.org/ttu0lN3B < 1362781012 742983 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does this mean i did things right? < 1362781089 432024 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, that's one test < 1362781147 748641 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happens with the following code? ,+[:,+]! < 1362781202 831670 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should compile into Python. Then the equivalent shifted up should compile, and be equivalent < 1362781244 606439 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it outputs python code that doesn't seem to be doing anything < 1362781268 964490 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it contains the compile() definition and the header, but the "body" i pass it seems to be ignored < 1362781273 798042 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, wait < 1362781282 545020 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm wrong < 1362781284 39145 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which makes sense actually < 1362781300 322545 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :",+[:,+]!" -TF-> newlang < 1362781333 846360 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map succ ",+[-:,+]!" < 1362781335 429756 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "-,\\.;-,^\"" < 1362781355 365646 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-,\\.;-,^\"" -newlang-> newlang < 1362781365 752673 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think < 1362781367 929287 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm hold on < 1362781372 756430 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map succ "+." < 1362781374 280948 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ",/" < 1362781405 245629 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map pred "+." < 1362781406 706879 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "*-" < 1362781420 480695 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going crazy < 1362781432 779355 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, no < 1362781433 108512 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me find my testing directory < 1362781478 946544 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I'm wrong about the direct < 1362781487 918927 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a compiler for a language called pred consisting of ,+[:,+]! < 1362781491 187002 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1362781491 339127 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1362781508 160110 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo *********************************- | python tf2.py | python < 1362781520 864923 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pred, because the lack of - means that you go one LOWER than the TF to get the corresponding TF < 1362781521 556997 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ this now prints '!', then a python program < 1362781538 20193 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I compiled that with the compiler < 1362781592 193020 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1362781600 175568 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a stray " " from my echo command < 1362781603 229001 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting shifted into "!" < 1362781614 837294 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then executed, outputting a python program < 1362781620 346574 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that does nothing < 1362781639 449328 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now it works fine < 1362781649 87753 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map pred ",+[-:,+]!" < 1362781650 542182 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+*Z,9+*\\ " < 1362781658 778250 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, compile that with the pred compiler. < 1362781665 953700 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And see if the result is also a pred compiler. < 1362781674 339812 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be. < 1362781690 247578 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> var $ map pred ",+[-:,+]!" < 1362781691 707937 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : +*Z,9+*\ < 1362781701 277928 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that doesn't show the space < 1362781718 742492 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p4FDCE05F.dip.t-dialin.net QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 19.0.2/20130307023931] < 1362781772 522858 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362781775 153163 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean < 1362781778 735970 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map pred ",+[:,+]!" < 1362781780 95319 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "+*Z9+*\\ " < 1362781804 586771 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to be getting just a TF compiler, not a pred one < 1362781857 986652 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for +*Z9+*\ i get the right thing < 1362781891 346262 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you're getting the right thing for that, then your implementation is wrong < 1362781909 904073 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :! is supposed to take primitives in the language that is currently running, not necessarily TF < 1362781964 857940 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362781969 689949 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1362781982 623171 :kallisti!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362781983 96315 :kallisti!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Changing host < 1362781983 248719 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1362781988 137950 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if i'm doing that < 1362782012 936467 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And thus nooodl learns the reasoning behind the compiler stack the hard way, just as he predicted < 1362782026 874055 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm definitely not < 1362782027 369592 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362782051 628336 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possible alternative to this: Make it easy enough to write a quine such that people could make ! behave that way if they want but don't have to < 1362782066 359509 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't see how to make a new compiler for the currently running language < 1362782083 957634 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have all the old compilers on hand. < 1362782221 971992 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what you were saying is, this should be able to print out a compiler for pred, written in python, right? < 1362782247 88598 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is fails to do because of it not having the compiler stack thing) < 1362782311 604878 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1362782332 920961 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because in pred, space takes PRED commands in the code block, not TF commands < 1362782524 317894 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AFK < 1362782544 32647 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :theoretically you could apply the same "f(TF) = PRED" process to translate TF into any other language L... and then f(",+[-:,+]!") would be an L program that spits out a python L compiler < 1362782571 758305 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think? trustfuck is kinda crazy < 1362782606 935632 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, if I understand you correctly, that is completely correct. < 1362782625 798921 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i'm kinda bad at explaining it < 1362782661 111838 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's pretty nifty < 1362782667 470613 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1362782801 714845 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, wait < 1362782824 798361 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd need to be able to reverse it. It's easy to make a language L that does not contain equivalents of ! or + < 1362782909 246995 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you have a transform f(L) = TF, then f^-1(",+[-:,+]!"), if it exists, = compiler for L < 1362782917 823590 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :written in L < 1362782929 194830 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362784175 216711 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1362784265 764489 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362784339 437421 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O wait what http://byorgey.wordpress.com/2012/01/05/parsing-context-sensitive-languages-with-applicative/ < 1362784417 454165 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1362784459 841644 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (&&&) < 1362784461 391113 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arrow a => a b c -> a b c' -> a b (c, c') < 1362784486 30585 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (pred &&& id &&& succ) 5 < 1362784487 818423 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (4,(5,6)) < 1362784502 772411 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would be so nice for (4,5,6) to be syntax sugar for that < 1362784511 10817 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although elliott still disagrees < 1362784517 500818 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait < 1362784521 69333 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, n/m the wait < 1362784543 941376 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you mean (4,(5,(6,()))) < 1362784564 771440 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362784567 47200 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, (5,6) is presumably syntax sugar for (5,(6,())) < 1362784645 908247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so your (&&&) example would not work < 1362784681 5172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ilu sugar < 1362784720 158863 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362784761 244045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> each.traverse.(pred, id, succ)$5 < 1362784763 416789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `t0 -> t1' < 1362784763 580698 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `(a0 ... < 1362784773 350827 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t each.traverse < 1362784775 850365 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Traversable t1, Each f s t (t1 a) (t1 b)) => (a -> f b) -> s -> f t < 1362784779 998307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1362784888 117999 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t each < 1362784889 618287 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Indexable (Index t) p, Each f s t a b) => p a (f b) -> s -> f t < 1362784897 256387 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't sure what oerjan's example is meant to do < 1362784907 706668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f,g,h) isn't quite a function :P < 1362784943 562232 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence < 1362784945 235379 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => [m a] -> m [a] < 1362784947 375302 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequenceA < 1362784949 19366 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `sequenceA' < 1362784949 172263 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1362784949 172437 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Data.Traversable.sequenceA' (imported from Data.Traversable), < 1362784960 369605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn you lambdabot < 1362784964 794358 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :damnbdabot < 1362784970 962627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Data.Traversable.sequenceA < 1362784972 231405 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Traversable t) => t (f a) -> f (t a) < 1362784977 903469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1362785026 445142 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t WrapMonad < 1362785027 808081 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m a -> WrappedMonad m a < 1362785047 851386 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can WrapMonad actually break stuff somehow? < 1362785079 942552 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess if the monad is an instance of something that WrappedMonad didn't include < 1362785136 755137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> each id (pred, id, succ) 5 < 1362785139 75449 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (4,5,6) < 1362785146 500646 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t each < 1362785148 71771 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Indexable (Index t) p, Each f s t a b) => p a (f b) -> s -> f t < 1362785149 648690 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequenceAOf < 1362785151 384778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LensLike f s t (f b) b -> s -> f t < 1362785155 276899 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequenceAOf each (pred,id,succ) 5 < 1362785157 371325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (4,5,6) < 1362785166 515687 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah that's the one i was looking for < 1362785171 665108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit verbose though :P < 1362785183 823593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, in this case < 1362785185 503304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequenceOf < 1362785188 138611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LensLike (WrappedMonad m) s t (m b) b -> s -> m t < 1362785188 660916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would work too < 1362785188 814081 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is scared of lenses < 1362785197 526132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :saves a whole character < 1362785206 765356 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's to be afraid of < 1362785218 537193 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: but your personal hero, Baruch Spinoza, was a glassmaker! < 1362785299 567286 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at both assuming that I knew who Spinoza was, and that according to Wikipedia, glassmaking may have killed him < 1362785312 540 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The latter is a good enough reason for me to be afraid of lenses, I think < 1362785339 708263 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait did you actually not know who spinoza was < 1362785355 344159 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that he existed and was a philosopher < 1362785357 345349 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's all famous and shit < 1362785359 705562 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's good enough. < 1362785470 118192 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh are you talking about lenses like what you put on your eyes to see good < 1362785482 385383 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah those are kind of freaky < 1362785528 798086 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have some 'lenses' that make everything dark so my eyes dont hurt in the sunlight? spooks me out every time. theyre staring at me right now. i should move them. < 1362785575 768921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you explaining sunglasses to #esoteric < 1362785579 328865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats probably actually the safe move i guess < 1362785595 485563 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help what's a sunglass < 1362785645 488585 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like a normal glass but it has a little sun in it, which cancels out with the sun you know and love < 1362785650 13423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a glass that contains a sun, import for fusion technology < 1362785655 490275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*important < 1362785668 644781 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not as strong as 'the' sun though so you can still see a bit through it < 1362785708 602270 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool < 1362785710 535652 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love science. < 1362785728 83730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i don't love the sun < 1362785742 258212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you're probably a vampire < 1362785762 504716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1362785765 255981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should avoid touching sunglasses < 1362785799 34819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was to what if i don't love the sun , hth < 1362785815 617858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1362785823 552036 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be some kind of sunglasses joke in Lens < 1362785842 351570 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But sunglasses don't actually have lenses in them. Just glass. < 1362785842 848165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362785863 917085 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :christ now i'm imagining someone who uses libraries based on jokes in their source code < 1362785887 900113 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagining someone who uses lens < 1362785900 183516 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1362785925 136587 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that thing you wear on your arm and handle interfaces wirelessly posted here ? < 1362785948 493060 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1362785978 620549 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362786028 713758 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: so why's it called Trustfuck? < 1362786069 96946 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was inspired by Reflections on Trusting Trust (although I don't think I actually read the paper) < 1362786077 288693 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sunglasses have lenses, but they're lenses that don't do very much refracting. < 1362786087 734712 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather, the refraction doesn't have much net effect. < 1362786090 241330 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The information about the target language that the compiler needs is 'hidden away' in a trusting trust like manner < 1362786126 181616 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/noelmarkham/learn-you-a-haskell-exercises hey, this is cool < 1362786179 420355 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike aren't you reading through LYAH at the moment, this might be useful! < 1362786218 213397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and admit he doesn't understand the material first time around? < 1362786223 476312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have no ken of the politics at play here < 1362786229 756964 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what are you doing helping a lisper < 1362786249 95905 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should try to look at Shen again < 1362786266 504723 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362786369 756978 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll look at it to see when this gets past "you have only ever used java and don't know what a function is" mode < 1362786386 605983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're a lisper < 1362786389 656614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know what a function is < 1362786392 98651 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisper is a weird word to me because there's a street close to where i live that's called Lisperstraat < 1362786395 278831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you think they have side effects and stuff < 1362786405 19212 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called that because a nearby plain is called Het Lisp i think! < 1362786413 888958 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not exactly "close", sorry, no stalking me < 1362786432 584904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gay lisp, het lisp, < 1362786434 478088 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on man, i know the difference between a procedure and a pure function. < 1362786458 106286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :come on that was at least slightly funny < 1362786466 155266 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can you name a Haskell function that takes 0 arguments, a Haskell function that takes 1 argument, and a Haskell argument that takes 2 arguments? < 1362786469 503503 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is a trick question) < 1362786476 46278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1362786490 670735 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1362786491 624804 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo??? < 1362786509 869782 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i legitimately don't know the answer to that < 1362786512 669112 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it my fault < 1362786519 96056 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's sgeo's fault < 1362786522 437597 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a lisper i have also never heard of currying (nor have i been party to really boring arguments about whether "curry" in a library is technically a correct name (it's not)) < 1362786522 957126 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1362786556 573005 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Currying by default has some interesting effects < 1362786559 130950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy hi < 1362786561 615595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t curry < 1362786562 508361 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :($) is just type restricted id < 1362786563 369462 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a, b) -> c) -> a -> b -> c < 1362786571 592705 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha what is that even for < 1362786571 819978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now Bike < 1362786575 169809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it curries a function < 1362786576 504227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uncurry < 1362786578 294313 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b -> c) -> (a, b) -> c < 1362786583 735815 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map (uncurry (+)) [(1,2),(3,4)] < 1362786585 747746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [3,7] < 1362786593 110765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :curry is... harder to find uses for < 1362786596 469137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t curry fst < 1362786597 803621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t curry snd < 1362786598 440139 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :c -> b -> c < 1362786599 633814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a -> c -> c < 1362786605 527888 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good functions < 1362786615 7149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(const and flip const, respectively) < 1362786617 695863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or const and const id) < 1362786637 216866 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi?? < 1362786638 708597 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i give up on haskell and program exclusively with ski combinators < 1362786645 378363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lazy k < 1362786648 526340 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :genius < 1362786653 120461 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you have some function on pairs (a,b) < 1362786658 80732 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but why would you < 1362786661 978128 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that. < 1362786705 320568 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats going on ehre < 1362786709 609460 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the pairs are points, or something! like distance :: (Int,Int) -> (Int,Int) -> Int < 1362786714 87125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Bike learning about 0 argument functions < 1362786717 849765 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about arrows (why would you) < 1362786723 63026 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: and would curry be useful there??????? < 1362786726 136589 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they wouldn't be Ints but you get the idea < 1362786728 984349 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm goign places < 1362786742 556569 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, also there are no 0 argument functions < 1362786742 707392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye nooodl < 1362786744 624538 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sgeo said something silly < 1362786746 570764 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1362786748 752147 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye < 1362786750 805245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there can be no 0 argument functions. there always arguing over functions. < 1362786755 454881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: not true. "0-argument function" is a perfectly well-defined concept < 1362786757 69732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*there is < 1362786764 601036 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(they are the same thing as depth-0 nested lists, or such) < 1362786774 313051 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's official, i've picked the worst place to learn haskell near. < 1362786777 890326 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need to turn the calculus of constructions into a combinator system. < 1362786780 520700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the error is in taking this to mean "everything is a function", or promoting functions as somehow special because of that < 1362786801 951475 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then program in that. < 1362786803 42337 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THEORY: everything is a thing < 1362786808 694066 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you have a list of x values and a list of y values and you want all of their distances to (0,0), < 1362786815 312439 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be just like programming in the SKI calculus, except worse. < 1362786822 678605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that generalizes to arbitrary Functors, no? < 1362786824 311954 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instead of writing "map (distance (0,0)) $ zip xs ys" < 1362786839 85818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: generalises to more or less arbitrary anything :P < 1362786839 774506 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw so long as you just ignore the silly things people say (like that thing sgeo said, and that other thing sgeo said what was it yesterday) you'll probably be fine hopefully < 1362786842 142491 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can write like, "zipWith (curry $ distance (0,0)) xs ys" < 1362786846 510892 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ain't that great! < 1362786848 73416 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I now know what my language is going to be like. < 1362786848 300213 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i'm waaaaay ahead of you < 1362786869 134912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you mean as long as Bike ignores #esoteric he'll be ok < 1362786870 724171 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's going to be called Tweelee. A program is just going to be a finite state machine operating on a pointed directed unknot diagram. < 1362786873 528741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think he's learned that < 1362786894 242836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: so why do you have [Int] and [Int] rather than [(Int,Int)]??? < 1362786895 434940 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, it was a trick question. I was going to note all Haskell functions as having 1 argument < 1362786895 585043 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, it's not like i don't like this. it's neat having quicksort as a oneliner even if it's not the best implementation, that sort of thing < 1362786904 711473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: btw < 1362786906 803254 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: well it was silly < 1362786907 246455 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "filter" is a way better name than "remove-if-not" i tell you what < 1362786907 396724 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was an accident elliott < 1362786914 944563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: you can write like, "zipWith (curry $ distance (0,0)) xs ys" < 1362786917 769345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you actually want uncurry there < 1362786923 461904 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh wait < 1362786925 243382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't ignore me < 1362786930 963598 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that what clisp calls it < 1362786936 242806 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: woooow < 1362786936 836656 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah uncurry would've actually been easy to find uses for :( < 1362786939 856761 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :The commands let you move forwards and backwards, and perform Reidemeister moves on your vicinity. < 1362786940 199290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : We need to turn the calculus of constructions into a combinator system. <-- what would a combinator system with explicit types be like... < 1362786942 992199 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: "cool huh" < 1362786948 945063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well the quicksort one-liner doesnt even have quicksorts asymptomtotmotmotmotmics :-( thankfully merge sort is nice on lazy linked lists! < 1362786964 817874 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's what i meant by not the best implementation. < 1362786964 968152 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, the type of a CoC term can always be computed from the term. < 1362786972 83420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: did you know: clisp also calls map: mapcar??? < 1362786977 257186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not even any automobiles involved < 1362786978 610951 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vroom vroom < 1362786981 603007 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh remember when in common lisp, < 1362786987 252738 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :clisp is a specific Common Lisp impelementation < 1362786989 697646 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions and other things are in different namespaces or some crap < 1362786992 742806 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362786997 320793 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to write (mapcar #'function things) < 1362787000 983282 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it'd be a lot like our plain old regular boring combinator systems. < 1362787008 950099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember when in common lisp: it's a terrible language? < 1362787011 441616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i remember that vividly. < 1362787017 678407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry *clisp < 1362787017 828464 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am wounded < 1362787074 350875 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do support the existence of good macros. < 1362787083 901264 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I lied. This knotty language will be called Tweeling. < 1362787090 421683 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just don't even understand that, the whole function symbol namespace difference thing, isn't the nice thing about lisp not having to do that,,,,, < 1362787106 521868 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The nice thing about Lisp is macros. < 1362787107 227074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres nothing nice about lisp nooodl < 1362787108 686680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even Bike knows that < 1362787119 252548 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice having parameters named "list" but still being able to call the list function. it's not exactly major < 1362787130 846068 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i tried to parse "tweeling" as an english word and i'm a native dutch speaker < 1362787141 122303 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tweedleedlee < 1362787154 417998 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The big issue is having to deal with labels and flet in additition to the regular let stuff < 1362787158 702279 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I guess that's not big < 1362787163 271705 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that's an annoyance < 1362787166 890331 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also a false sense of security < 1362787172 752682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: i mean that in CoC the terms contain types (and vice versa), no? < 1362787174 564652 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: please don't tell me that's "the" argument for having #'functions < 1362787175 916566 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when was Bike a lisper < 1362787177 840414 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp macros....aren't those those unhygeinic things < 1362787182 646610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is even going on here < 1362787183 391057 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well, every type is also a term. < 1362787187 693473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just imagine a dependently typed lisp. where in you have an INFINITE NUMBER OF NAMESPACES < 1362787191 886906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because types kinds sorts . < 1362787194 591322 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to het lisp < 1362787199 448703 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome to Heck Lisp < 1362787203 966545 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well dependents kinda irrelevnat there < 1362787206 790963 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: there are better ones but i'm not going to bother < 1362787207 874910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :poo < 1362787208 909792 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So in addition to having combinators representing functions, we'll also have to have combinators representing types. < 1362787214 279002 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, are you making a knotty language < 1362787217 748483 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisp_(Lier) lispcon 2013 location < 1362787218 996060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you know lisp-N+1s are shit < 1362787220 167200 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes. < 1362787220 857352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't even try to lie < 1362787227 708162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, ooh how does it work < 1362787235 32247 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp-0+1, um < 1362787235 490678 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp-N+1s? < 1362787235 817378 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :N=0? < 1362787237 157110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, er N includes 0 < 1362787241 538097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um no i'm using < 1362787246 185954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shitty mathematicians definition of the naturals < 1362787251 517854 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you become ms flannagan < 1362787257 143650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :isnt it amazing how there are mathematicians who ACTUALLY BELIEVE THE NATURALS START WITH ONE < 1362787263 171368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably they don't even KNOW who PEANO is?? < 1362787266 32438 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Important issues, here. < 1362787267 401514 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362787272 125286 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well, there's a finite state machine operating on a pointed directed unknot diagram. < 1362787279 240888 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you have Z be 1? < 1362787288 561913 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, as in, starting point of Peanos < 1362787295 551921 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362787299 252183 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's ugly and dumb < 1362787302 417168 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1362787319 641826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean for fuck's sake what sort of addition doesn't even have an additive identity < 1362787325 435425 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, go on < 1362787350 1717 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, how's the Trustfuck impl going? < 1362787351 412787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: i see your radical tendencies peeking out :-) < 1362787356 472415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: how have you been feeling about the real nubmers lately < 1362787359 686266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or should i say < 1362787360 225803 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: the finite state machine is capable of moving the point around the diagram (but only forwards and backwards), as well as performing Reidemeister moves on the part of the diagram ahead of it. < 1362787361 910701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unreal numbers? < 1362787365 406531 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda gave up on it < 1362787367 427980 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because almost all of them don't exist < 1362787368 972485 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh :( < 1362787374 432208 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't know how much of my code was still correct < 1362787380 853271 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Phantom_Hoover a finitist < 1362787385 833359 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also didn't feel like rewriting a new impl from scratch juuust yet < 1362787390 223960 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll make a new one later though < 1362787392 169078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :MONQY constructivism isnt finitism < 1362787393 748153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey half the reasons i maintain 0 \in N are normal maths < 1362787397 787334 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help design Trustfuck 2? < 1362787397 938633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont be SILLY < 1362787410 737174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean starting at 1 is just dumb < 1362787423 528739 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so anyway nother silly haskell question, how's show-ing of things that have only a quantified type work? like 17 since i fucked saying things < 1362787424 671174 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides Smalltalk and Lua from Phantom_Hoover  < 1362787426 734731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: keep trying to convince urself chaitins constant existing is `normal' < 1362787432 715360 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does monqy believe 0 isn't \in N < 1362787434 118985 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are perfectly fine ways to "construct" the "reals" < 1362787444 925104 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> show 17 < 1362787445 114147 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: 0 \in N for reasonable values of N < 1362787445 680564 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's my latex ineuqality sign < 1362787446 665348 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "17" < 1362787452 719738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: the computable reals are countable tho < 1362787452 869892 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think Haskell picks a default instance. < 1362787453 20409 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: if you're talking to shit mathematicians though you have to be careful < 1362787457 513710 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I think is Integer in this case. < 1362787458 462725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all you can `construct' in eg coq < 1362787460 69929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/o axioms < 1362787465 436169 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Really? Boring. < 1362787466 933687 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1362787476 832014 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(countable `externally') < 1362787479 301857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not ,,internally'') < 1362787480 429432 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 17+18 < 1362787481 702109 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a < 1362787483 850313 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362787485 309440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr my foundations course was absolutely terrible with 0 < 1362787489 33548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but eg you have the thing where you can't write non-continuous functions w/o LEM) < 1362787492 273659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes it was in N, sometimes it wasn't < 1362787499 782685 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. what's an example of a noncomputable real < 1362787502 295874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b/c you cant case analysis on the reals) < 1362787505 567282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: chaitins constant < 1362787505 717630 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: chaitin's < 1362787505 949019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : probably they don't even KNOW who PEANO is?? <-- the joke is that Peano started with 1, right? < 1362787525 746853 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that's pretty usual, sometimes they use Ñ and stuff and it's hilariously dumb < 1362787540 446597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, (chaitin is a shitty example) < 1362787551 201817 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with chaitin :( < 1362787553 450162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i never joke < 1362787555 198163 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean besides that he's crazy but < 1362787560 907767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: um chaitins is th ebest example < 1362787562 524000 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here's an example: A real which cannot be described even with an infinite amount of symbols. < 1362787563 880473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sthe maximally hurty < 1362787565 614602 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set a = 0 and b = 1, and then let R be a sequence containing all computable real numbers. < 1362787570 833625 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: ??? < 1362787571 884666 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaitin's looks like a good example. i expected something halting problem-y < 1362787577 712920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :theres a bijection between reals and potentially infinite streams of bits < 1362787591 356752 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specker sequences are much better < 1362787594 318589 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is a derp < 1362787600 993211 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pop values x from R until a < x < b, then set a := x. Pop values y from R until a < y < b, then set b := y. Repeat forever. < 1362787620 785928 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Correct example: A real which cannot be described with any finite amount of symbols < 1362787621 501869 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Both a and b will approach the same uncomputable number. < 1362787632 602109 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: That's undefinable, not uncomputable. < 1362787649 774626 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's undefinable, it's uncomputable < 1362787657 163535 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but not the converse. < 1362787670 110827 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Undefinable" has the unfortunate property of being undefinable. < 1362787670 458114 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_, that is several times shittier than chaitin < 1362787684 84963 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, also there are functions which grow faster than any computable function < 1362787685 757967 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought making a sequence of all real numbers was impossible! computable or not < 1362787703 835315 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if by "a sequence" you mean "a bijection with the naturals" then yes < 1362787709 767246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the computable reals are a subset of turing machines, or whatever other tc system you want < 1362787723 481248 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: there is indeed no sequence that contains all real numbers. However, there is a sequence that contains all computable real numbers. < 1362787731 656071 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can count them, plus a bunch of TMs which aren't computable reals < 1362787748 447311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't actually tell if a given element is a CR without the halting problem < 1362787779 827046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: haskell has a default declaration which is used to pick default instances for things, the default default is default (Integer, Double) hth. also ghc has an extension to make it apply in more cases, and also prepends () to the default types. < 1362787798 299551 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait that actually does help? what the fuck what is this < 1362787807 81193 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362787810 679379 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a, b, c) really ought to be syntactic sugar for (a, (b, c)). < 1362787824 283127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: you can well-order the rael numbers :-) < 1362787825 96886 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362787825 259055 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362787842 214532 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, tell that to elliott, who disagrees < 1362787870 163537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes make me into the absolute hub for not thinking that specific kind of hlist desugaring is a bad idea < 1362787873 180404 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ill never live it down < 1362787876 157890 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the computable reals are a subset of turing machines" hmmm < 1362787903 351570 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: how about this: "the set of all Turing machines that output real numbers is a subset of the set of all Turing machines." < 1362787917 974168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, a cr is basically a TM implementing a function N -> Q that converges < 1362787934 917481 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And given a Turing machine that outputs a real number, there is an obvious real number corresponding to it. < 1362788003 663141 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. So my language, as I'm currently imagining it, currently only has "if" statements for flow control. < 1362788008 189265 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes now i'm thinking about things < 1362788012 994590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:08:05 i thought making a sequence of all real numbers was impossible! computable or not < 1362788020 299065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that the computable reals are a subset of the reals like the naturals are a subset of the reals < 1362788025 618787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i'm sure you believe you can make a sequence of rationals < 1362788030 843845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the set of computable reals is countable) < 1362788039 74061 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can make a sequence of all real numbers that are either two or pi < 1362788063 276252 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :2, pi, pi, 2, pi, 2, 2, pi, pi, 2, 2, pi, 2, pi, pi, 2, pi, 2, 2, pi, 2, pi, pi, 2, 2, pi, pi, 2, pi, 2, 2, pi, ... < 1362788118 975705 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's condense that sequence. It alternates between 2 and pi, using each one the following number of times: 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, 1, 2, 2, 2, 1, 1, 2, 1, ... < 1362788122 377723 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No actually it's just 2 and pi, repeating is silly < 1362788142 447729 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, in turn, alternates between 1 and 2, using each one the following number of times: 1, 1, 2, 3, 2, 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 2, 1, ... < 1362788146 718171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : nooodl: you can well-order the rael numbers :-) <-- unidentified well-founded ordering < 1362788170 309441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes. but only with extensional choice < 1362788170 948710 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, if you ignore the beginning 1 and drop all the 2s (since every other number, apart from the beginning 1, is a 2), you get this: 1, 3, 1, 1, 3, 1, ... < 1362788174 267838 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[...] implementing a function N -> Q that converges" i still don't see how that represents a computable real :( < 1362788180 905042 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1362788181 958249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i.e., the choice that is a theorem (not axiom) of type theory does not give it) < 1362788187 838851 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O at parsers parsing things other than strings < 1362788198 32410 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, it's a sequence that approaches that real < 1362788199 55604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and extensional choice implies LEM, iirc) < 1362788199 205738 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real value is just f(0) + f(1) + f(2) + ...? < 1362788202 242877 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362788222 583499 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :gotcha < 1362788236 817062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the upshot is, almost all the reals are impossible to define in any meaningful way < 1362788237 325570 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that, in turn, alternates between 1 and 3, using each one the following number of times: 1, 1, 2, 1, ... < 1362788257 137865 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and indeed this is true even if you're being nonconstructive < 1362788281 976582 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: yes. but only with extensional choice <-- you missed the pun on your misspelling hth < 1362788293 982578 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right. So my language, as I'm currently imagining it, currently only has "if" statements for flow control. This makes the language definitely not Turing-complete; you can, in O(n) time, look at a program and place an upper bound on the length of time for which it will run. < 1362788310 641162 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this still the knot one < 1362788314 71909 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming you can perform arithmetic in O(1) time. < 1362788315 677991 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yup. < 1362788339 754281 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<+>) < 1362788341 102354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `<+>' < 1362788341 290235 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `Control.Arrow.<+>', < 1362788341 290422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : imported from `Control.Arrow' at State/L.hs:5:1-20 < 1362788344 358332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh that was rly stupid < 1362788346 29923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suck imo < 1362788378 198820 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I need some way to go back and loop. < 1362788408 716551 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: btw why didn't you use the kolakoski sequence above hth < 1362788410 26982 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :augh < 1362788429 984348 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, why did you have to say all the stuff about it while like 2 other discussions were going on < 1362788432 44596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cocacola sequence < 1362788451 523307 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: nobody told me not to. < 1362788495 922576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thx < 1362788527 897562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (12)S(*a(~:)~*^~):((1)S)~*~((2)S:*)~*:(~:()~)~*^(a(:^)*~a(*()~)~*^~^):^ < 1362788529 171072 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :122112122122112112212112122112112122122112122121121122122112122122112112122121122122112122122112112212112122122112112122112112212112112212211212212112212212112112212211212212112112212112122112112122121122122112122122112112122112112212212112122112112212112112212212112122112112122122112122121121122122121122122112122122112112 ...too much output! < 1362788562 572256 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, so wait, what controls the states for the fsm < 1362788573 360193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the structure of the knot ahead? < 1362788725 968178 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let kola = [1] ++ concat $ zipWith replicate kola $ cycle [2,1] in take 20 kola < 1362788727 212293 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes. < 1362788727 667338 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[t0]' < 1362788727 817762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `[[a0]] -... < 1362788736 569702 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let kola = [1] ++ (concat $ zipWith replicate kola $ cycle [2,1]) in take 20 kola < 1362788738 394623 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,2,1,2] < 1362788754 488143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: you don't need to use take in lambdabot < 1362788763 26538 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo. it gets the start wrong somehow < 1362788763 376014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cuts off by itself < 1362788771 378039 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: you're not removing the initial 1. < 1362788782 466877 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i "realized" while out that it might be more interesting that constructivists would deny the existence of say the set of subsets of the naturals rather than reals but this is probably because i don't yet truly know how fucked up computable analysis is < 1362788790 808885 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let kola = [1,2] ++ (concat $ zipWith replicate (drop 2 kola) $ cycle [2,1]) in take 20 kola < 1362788794 850744 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1362788795 454014 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmm. < 1362788802 288890 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that's not the problem. < 1362788808 253330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you noticed that powersets are scary < 1362788820 779950 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they only drove cantor insane < 1362788837 466069 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :power sets are terrifying < 1362788848 805719 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was thinking about the set of all subsets of a set not containing an element of the set earlier, and it got tied up with this < 1362788860 762805 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a paper once on "power types" < 1362788861 931509 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let kola@(_:ks) = [1] ++ (concat $ zipWith replicate kola $ cycle [2,1]) in 1:2:ks < 1362788863 928422 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,... < 1362788866 451886 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that was some good shit < 1362788869 569354 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how unsatisfying < 1362788950 491646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* Bike was thinking about the set of all subsets of a set not containing an element of the set earlier, and it got tied up with this < 1362788959 672649 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1362788960 895193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just... P(S\x) < 1362788965 469000 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362788980 488979 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Not containing a *given* element of the set. < 1362788983 68548 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh huh kolakoski is A000002 < 1362788987 971380 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :As opposed to not containing *any* element of the set. < 1362788998 474819 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that just be empty < 1362789007 841539 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like A000001, except posterior. < 1362789011 854593 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it would be {{}}, yeah. < 1362789017 533954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix(([1,2]++).drop 2.concat.zipWith(flip replicate)(cycle[1,2])) < 1362789019 736984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,2,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,1,2,1,1,2,1,2,2,1,... < 1362789075 616756 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: "sword" is not a subword of "subword". < 1362789086 276041 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do people use Parsec when making stuff for QQ stuff in Haskell? < 1362789107 9673 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: why are you doing QQ stuff < 1362789122 176038 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just making sure you're not hopped up on macros again < 1362789127 613884 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: ¿q s qq? < 1362789136 886701 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: good q < 1362789148 759201 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesod uses it, right? < 1362789159 289789 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh. Q: how do math people write that a function returns, for example, a set of reals < 1362789169 98010 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerset < 1362789191 489562 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think ive also seen subset < 1362789191 843559 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1362789192 536333 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1362789195 403168 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats weird < 1362789209 955041 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :powerset is what i see most of the time < 1362789245 666482 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow crazy people use ℙ for powerset according to wikipedia < 1362789273 478679 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :solely to piss off kmc no doubt < 1362789280 16631 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℙ(ℝ) < 1362789287 368290 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1362789308 146080 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont use blackbord bold for powerset.... < 1362789308 371976 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ℙ(ℙ) "power set of prime set" < 1362789312 543221 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's the weirstrass P function < 1362789331 31325 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's the weirstrass function < 1362789340 81605 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math's notation is such a fucking trainwreck at times < 1362789341 396320 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think mathcal is the proper font to use? i'm fairly certain i've seen mathsf and mathscr though < 1362789380 919383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fortunately there's not much confusion with the latter because the weirstrass function is never actually used as a function < 1362789405 758206 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: at times/most of the time really < 1362789409 684712 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"at times" < 1362789428 319089 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sometimes it's really good & clever < 1362789433 474685 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does the "sf" in mathsf stand for? < 1362789439 923540 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sans serif < 1362789447 667529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, it helps if you remember that it's still mostly written by hand < 1362789450 434884 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: like.... < 1362789459 445198 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers < 1362789469 501933 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This combinator is provided for compatibility with Parsec. Attoparsec parsers always backtrack on failure." < 1362789471 297923 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes that < 1362789481 231522 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever looked at a 9 < 1362789485 350511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there are a load of ways to write any given symbols < 1362789485 871736 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like really looked at a 9 < 1362789500 643699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its a gargoyle < 1362789502 69333 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :9 is pretty heck but i love 7 so it makes up for it < 1362789502 219527 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, an actual 9, or a numeral 9? < 1362789505 858074 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 is p.good too < 1362789514 678040 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :7's a good numeral < 1362789515 672735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is my favourite < 1362789521 287857 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is p.good too < 1362789523 225257 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :surely someone out there has had the zany idea to reinvent the notation for Everything < 1362789524 326228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except you have to dash the 7 < 1362789527 126254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for ambiguity reasons < 1362789529 934229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it looks not so good < 1362789532 338765 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always dash my 7s < 1362789532 489376 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those times when you nail it and it has an elegant curl in the tail are the best things ever < 1362789535 716893 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love dashes on 7s < 1362789537 615001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate 1 because you need to make it all fancy to avoid ambiguity < 1362789540 241509 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: you have no idea < 1362789541 406396 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i also give my 7s cute little hooks < 1362789545 106257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and its also the caues of the 7 Ambiguity Problem < 1362789552 574477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 is pgood imo < 1362789556 926249 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes my 7s look like my ts, or maybe it's more that my ts look like my 7s < 1362789557 906704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 is quite nice too < 1362789560 801716 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wrote out a 4 the other day and one of my coworkers stopped me for two minutes to ask me about how i wrote it < 1362789565 856073 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i've never seen someone write a 4 like that" < 1362789566 78886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: whats your handwriting look like < 1362789566 375728 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jesus. i write my 2s like a normal person and it makes them look a lot like Zs or zs < 1362789578 588298 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hm < 1362789581 733255 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the variable x looks but im so bad at writing it < 1362789584 62567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i lovehate it?? < 1362789593 140471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is christian propaganda < 1362789597 267170 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i came up with the perfect way of writing x < 1362789601 616386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was so proud < 1362789605 400520 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my x is literally an x < 1362789608 40268 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two lines < 1362789615 781894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gross nooodl < 1362789616 968203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :real gross < 1362789617 117971 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like )/( < 1362789618 805926 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximal gross < 1362789624 416452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're disgusting, rectify yourself < 1362789641 359037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but once you get the hang of it the / runs together and it looks great < 1362789679 706925 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the only picture of my math handwriting i've got https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15495351/snow/IMAG0043.jpg < 1362789698 814771 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably 1 more picture than the average person < 1362789726 546286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott already knows what my "math handwriting" looks like < 1362789742 133852 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i have a few copeies of me trying to handwrite on my tablet from a while ago...there's an aspect ratio problem which messes up my hand-eye coordination so it's kind of eugh < 1362789757 764690 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumb question again, how do i write "numLongChains long max = length $ longChains long max" in that fancyass pointless style < 1362789762 443799 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this thing too which is normal writing and it's very real < 1362789765 994950 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15495351/snow/IMAG0046.jpg < 1362789767 4508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my handwriting is an abomination < 1362789775 354679 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it looks quite nice locally < 1362789787 952998 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you can ask lambdabot < 1362789788 524873 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1362789797 550747 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl numLongChains long max = length $ longChains long max < 1362789797 701093 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nvm figured it out < 1362789797 946059 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :numLongChains = (length .) . longChains < 1362789799 521891 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: numLongChains = length .: longChains < 1362789804 178862 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :love you dots < 1362789805 746973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note how nooodl double-spaces his work and sets it all out neatly < 1362789814 470673 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is wasteful and capitalist < 1362789817 395136 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use latex for math < 1362789825 884441 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :writing is for losers < 1362789839 848723 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i can't do that at school!!! < 1362789857 346994 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is this linguistics < 1362789861 110530 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gosh i have 6 pictures of me trying to handwrite and they're all sorta different < 1362789875 519735 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i forget what i did differently each time except for handwriting6.png < 1362789877 157572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to see monqys trying to handwrite < 1362789883 859235 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to use latex but why does it have to have all that madness with \doctype and headings and everything < 1362789892 422232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i have worse handwriting than any of you < 1362789899 820530 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :latex is literally the worst thing < 1362789904 676689 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i've ever used < 1362789912 833616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: dont use (.:) < 1362789913 161995 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/handwriting.png < 1362789914 334143 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/handwriting2.png < 1362789915 522137 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/handwriting23.png < 1362789916 425218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont tell people to use (.:) < 1362789916 576130 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1362789919 128605 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/handwriting3.png < 1362789920 529922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cry instead........... < 1362789921 631842 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/handwriting4.png < 1362789924 136683 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/handwriting5.png < 1362789926 659264 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/handwriting6.png < 1362789929 142572 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there thats all of them < 1362789930 345259 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you going to tell me to use (.).(.) < 1362789931 643054 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy < 1362789933 143474 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so i'm going to cry < 1362789934 569300 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(handwriting23 does not exist) < 1362789940 442082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to tell you to add a fuckn point < 1362789943 340663 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont use (.).(.)............................... < 1362789952 857174 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the heck is .: < 1362789953 187051 :md_5!md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362789958 474640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it doesnt exist < 1362789960 158609 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry < 1362789962 147583 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit. monqy's handwriting < 1362789962 354613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: shit your handwriting is nice < 1362789962 504758 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1362789963 670675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i rent it out < 1362789963 820671 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is so good < 1362789967 464352 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src (.:) < 1362789967 633835 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Do you think like you type? < 1362789976 790023 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1362789980 990619 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it exists, but may be considered to be an excessive use of pointfree style < 1362789981 804253 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy < 1362789982 136555 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dot your j < 1362789984 31733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a circle < 1362789986 232636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :go fuck yourself < 1362789987 785268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i dont like the unfilled dots < 1362789989 711196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but apart from that < 1362789996 879111 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo dijkstra has the best handwriting < 1362790000 486548 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo monqy should dot his js with a heart < 1362790001 105591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might as well give up now < 1362790002 397058 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when im writing with a real pen i think i use normal dots < 1362790008 175273 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's a little "latex gem" < 1362790008 988791 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although "exists" as in, "well-known", not "standard" < 1362790009 314394 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\chemname{\chemfig{C([2]-\lewis{024,Cl})([6]-\lewis{046,Cl})([:-150]-\lewis{357,Cl})([:-30]-\lewis{157,Cl})}}{Koolstoftetrachloride} < 1362790010 107687 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with tablets i cant resist < 1362790014 42724 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (.:) < 1362790014 207548 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1362790034 596487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :U+24A38 COMBINING HEART ABOVE < 1362790047 602615 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey Aeson uses .: for something else < 1362790056 256731 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, well be fair < 1362790060 483647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :my hand writing is worse than nooodls by far tho < 1362790075 484488 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for a diagram, however you represent that textually it's going to be awkward < 1362790089 996045 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you even need to write??? < 1362790100 433890 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can write really neatly if i try < 1362790101 965604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like my handwriting is honestly a 6 year olds < 1362790104 841797 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i don't ever < 1362790110 34818 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its an awful scrawl < 1362790111 262552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: my handwriting is a 3 years olds?? < 1362790128 931398 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cl < 1362790129 978187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you even have any proof all i see is you syaing your handwriting is so much worse than everyone else's!! < 1362790133 834770 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric : >C-Cl < 1362790134 723745 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cl < 1362790138 260445 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: do you have proof!! < 1362790141 498488 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what now Phantom_Hoover!!!!! < 1362790165 471065 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can write in cursive, but only words that only contain the letters a, e, h, i, n, o, s, and t. < 1362790180 823012 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a bunch of such words. < 1362790185 374789 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, good luck writing a transparent parser for that < 1362790195 567272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :transparser < 1362790208 500923 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a little sheet of paper on which I've written "anaesthesia antiatheist assassination ensheathe hastiness heathenishness hesitation honestness ..." < 1362790215 749993 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: you know, I think any function can be thought of as a parser. < 1362790218 465916 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you don't need to parse pure beauty any further" < 1362790218 997308 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im going to try handwriting again < 1362790229 278554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the entire point of latex is that you give it a general representation and leave the typesetting details to it < 1362790245 212638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think dijkstras handwriting is still a bit better than monqys < 1362790245 626104 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PArrows is unmaintained :( < 1362790248 616104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly since its smaller < 1362790257 482190 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my handwriting is smaller than that irl < 1362790260 467808 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: fsvo all of that < 1362790263 891082 :md_5!~md_5@mcdevs/trusted/md-5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362790264 41109 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but my tablet setup is miserable < 1362790269 609651 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i dont have a scanner or anything < 1362790270 536898 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help what is handwriting < 1362790279 357228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: by smaller i mean... less fussy mainly??? as in less ... "area" < 1362790282 109616 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i stole my f's from dijkstra < 1362790282 259641 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> " < 1362790282 409855 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1362790284 213913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:2: < 1362790284 390203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : lexical error in string/character literal at end of input < 1362790285 775369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know how to express the meaning < 1362790287 708040 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362790288 367077 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1362790290 943513 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they don't look like dijkstra f's anymore... < 1362790293 130545 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah my handwriting is pretty fussy < 1362790306 580291 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\ < 1362790307 66383 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric : \" < 1362790308 55022 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a good nooodl f in that image < 1362790308 364187 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:3: < 1362790308 514339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : unexpected end-of-file in string/character literal at end ... < 1362790324 930719 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "\ \" < 1362790326 722290 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "" < 1362790342 839411 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah https://dl.dropbox.com/u/15495351/snow/IMAG0046.jpg there's "koffie" near the bottom right corner < 1362790351 69554 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ":\ \-\&)" < 1362790352 524813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ":-)" < 1362790361 887006 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if you come to america ill show you my handwriting < 1362790363 511057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: all these words are spelled wrong < 1362790369 476108 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "ele\ \phant" < 1362790371 277670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they don't mean anything? < 1362790371 427715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "elephant" < 1362790379 383052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you must get awful grades in english < 1362790387 558588 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats your favorite word on this page elliott < 1362790399 916007 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that one "misbrain" < 1362790406 558591 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like "ziet" < 1362790408 869544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe the one that looks like "groudshroffen" < 1362790410 9108 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "misbruik" :( < 1362790420 446114 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"holouie"? < 1362790424 69998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ziet is good too yes < 1362790425 782646 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does ziet mean < 1362790426 374492 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"grondstoffen", "kolonie" < 1362790431 944496 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ziet" means "sees" < 1362790440 120255 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Suiher"? < 1362790446 671355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ziet seems like the kind of word that always wants to have a ! after it < 1362790447 974457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ziet! < 1362790450 620892 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "suiker" (sugar) < 1362790466 299934 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aanshelling"? < 1362790471 833726 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's actually some kind of old-fashioned imperative < 1362790492 577437 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"aanstelling" i don't even know how to translate that < 1362790496 508932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it like < 1362790498 174496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Observe!!!" < 1362790514 605765 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a "t", though, that's an "h". < 1362790516 308459 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Observereth Thee < 1362790517 379687 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aanshelling. < 1362790539 384210 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just because i'm bad at writing letters :( < 1362790582 574370 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can see what happened, though. wanted to write a 't', and then i had to lower my pen a bit to start writing the 'e', but i didn't lift it from the paper, whoops < 1362790626 124286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ziettttttttttttttttttttttttttt!!!! < 1362790659 129626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix(concat.(zipWith.flip.sequence$sequence[const pure,(tail.).replicate])(cycle[1,2])) < 1362790660 770564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> c0' with actual type `[a1]' < 1362790670 777004 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wrote "longChains long max = filter ((> long) . length) (map chain [1..max])". is my "style" an insult to all that is holy or < 1362790670 971611 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way that would work on first try < 1362790671 319304 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i just thought of a really awful pun < 1362790671 913347 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aanstelling is "appointment, commission, nomination" < 1362790673 47466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want to hear it < 1362790677 422619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: can i hear it < 1362790680 26475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362790684 505374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362790691 90237 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i; did i inspire it < 1362790693 418976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like awful puns..... < 1362790695 826537 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence$sequence[const pure,(tail.).replicate] < 1362790697 459464 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a0]' with actual type `b0 -> a1' < 1362790697 609714 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the return type of a call of `const' < 1362790697 609920 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probable cause: `const' is applied to too few arguments < 1362790712 380194 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence$sequence[const pure] < 1362790713 711453 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a0]' with actual type `b0 -> a1' < 1362790713 862227 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the return type of a call of `const' < 1362790713 862439 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probable cause: `const' is applied to too few arguments < 1362790716 165810 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh http://nl.wiktionary.org/wiki/ziet this page actually has "Ziet!" on it < 1362790719 291763 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's great < 1362790719 456546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1362790745 844270 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence$sequence[] < 1362790747 132516 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[a]] < 1362790761 54777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: you probably want en.wiktionary < 1362790766 575562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo.wiktionary.org means entries are in language foo < 1362790769 761642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they all cover all languages < 1362790777 429971 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats the pun < 1362790778 604348 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho en.wiktionary's ziet doesn't have ziet! < 1362790780 39633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so never mind??? < 1362790783 908464 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: ok here it is < 1362790786 896243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: what did the great film written by a mathematician have? < 1362790789 894884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a: a super script < 1362790792 783273 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :en.wiktionary.org covers less dutch stuff :( < 1362790793 575233 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::| < 1362790793 725275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :: D < 1362790801 233431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (Functor f) => (a -> b -> a) -> a -> f b -> a < 1362790802 618153 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldl :: Foldable t => (a -> b -> a) -> a -> t b -> a < 1362790802 880212 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Foldable foldl' :: Foldable t => (a -> b -> a) -> a -> t b -> a < 1362790803 29933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.IntMap foldl :: (a -> b -> a) -> a -> IntMap b -> a < 1362790807 866917 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know you love it < 1362790810 872909 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362790812 835715 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm smiling pretty hard at elliott's pun < 1362790861 209755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how would "that work" exactly < 1362790897 841605 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would ""what work"" < 1362790899 628632 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess it wouldn't < 1362790910 317164 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :folds over functors < 1362790921 390346 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362790926 553352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but Functor f? < 1362790934 978153 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1362790941 624198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well did you mean Foldable < 1362790949 444239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor only provides (a -> b) -> f a -> f b < 1362790953 312670 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm not sure what your operation is meant to do < 1362790954 454004 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i see < 1362790965 436599 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is meant to go "huh [] is a functor isn't it!!" because < 1362791031 25862 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropbox.com/u/13786158/handwriting-hell.png i tried a few takes < 1362791039 225532 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just now < 1362791041 887226 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :100% modern < 1362791049 591229 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good lord < 1362791049 776432 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy's handwriting is graffiti < 1362791053 141079 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so amazing < 1362791086 316326 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i'm trying to make it particularly legible it gets boring < 1362791102 826859 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the handwriting dilemma! < 1362791155 468587 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i have to specify Prelude.foldl or Data.Foldable.foldl even if i'm just folding a list so it's the same < 1362791197 275297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix(concat.zipWith(\x n -> x:replicate(n-1)x)(cycle[1,2])) < 1362791200 905232 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1362791204 508781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fix(concat.zipWith(\x n -> x:replicate(n-1)x)(cycle[1,2])) < 1362791208 144104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1362791212 520702 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hi" < 1362791213 975112 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hi" < 1362791229 593253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly something is wrong here < 1362791234 265172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where's fix again, i want fix < 1362791236 146530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1362791243 83107 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle fix < 1362791243 636568 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Fix module Control.Monad.Fix < 1362791243 797901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Fixed module Data.Fixed < 1362791243 948363 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function fix :: (a -> a) -> a < 1362791248 353183 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rad < 1362791370 753034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : hm, i have to specify Prelude.foldl or Data.Foldable.foldl even if i'm just folding a list so it's the same < 1362791379 380797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to import Foldable qualified, or hide the functions from Prelude < 1362791398 603456 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure, i was just wondering if it would subsume the prelude definition < 1362791411 724236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: your handwriting got smudgier < 1362791414 7864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you leave it out in the rain < 1362791434 218796 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders Tweeling. < 1362791441 32238 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: gimp update =/ < 1362791450 489940 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That type II Reidemeister move thing is going to be difficult to realize. < 1362791453 317097 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it got a new pen tool interface < 1362791473 242160 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean the shapes of the letters < 1362791476 926470 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might have gotten smudgier < 1362791493 68784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the shading < 1362791499 125421 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah that's gimp < 1362791513 863109 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362792272 772238 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log *forcefield* < 1362792275 360082 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep: nothing to repeat < 1362792292 806412 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log .*forcefield.*{{ < 1362792317 332563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need the first .* < 1362792324 539069 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362792328 89586 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362792333 211865 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k nevermind < 1362792349 181471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log forcefield < 1362792357 328783 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2009-10-11.txt:06:42:55: * ehird erects anti-swatting forcefield around himself < 1362792375 795437 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelog forcefield < 1362792392 228462 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5952 < 1362792396 330988 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives elliott a very delayed swat -----### < 1362792409 960801 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1362792462 40741 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott a fly < 1362792467 95645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, maybe it is not right to punish elliott for that terrible 2009 person < 1362792467 976320 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i'm looking for the cats with the heart shaped eyes^^ < 1362792481 785001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: not to my knowledge. < 1362792482 272167 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(char) < 1362792558 418992 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :punishing cannot be elliott < 1362792568 905125 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :punishing elliott cannot be wrong < 1362792570 499060 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this way < 1362792572 927722 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"impomatic, why would the switch to the forcefield be inside the asylum?" good lo < 1362792586 248259 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" ⌇⌇forcefields⌇⌇" definitely a good log < 1362792601 448797 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that must my cats :( < 1362792608 834402 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_someone_ hasn't set up their charset properly. < 1362792609 801098 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they didn't make it < 1362792611 767905 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a cat < 1362792662 507858 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/CAT < 1362792671 42646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just an object in the something of small somethings < 1362792740 173559 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid < 1362792742 275190 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object. < 1362792757 531251 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? category < 1362792759 683579 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Categories are just a special case of bicategories. < 1362792771 163222 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? object < 1362792773 627000 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :An object is just something in a category. < 1362792858 493419 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362793046 458583 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ⌇⌇forcefields⌇⌇ < 1362793046 956399 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :195 162 197 146 226 128 161 195 162 197 146 226 128 161 102 111 114 99 101 102 105 101 108 100 115 195 162 197 146 226 128 161 195 162 197 146 226 128 161 < 1362793198 92577 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can do boolean bitwise comparison on two integers in haskell ..bytes for example < 1362793241 95454 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord A < 1362793241 245113 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :65 < 1362793271 197106 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord (B && A) < 1362793271 386447 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 66 32 38 38 32 65 41 < 1362793281 7886 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord (B & A) < 1362793281 158127 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 66 32 38 32 65 41 < 1362793292 933712 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord (B|A) < 1362793293 84093 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 66 124 65 41 < 1362793309 976344 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ("B"|"A") < 1362793310 126395 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 34 66 34 124 34 65 34 41 < 1362793323 639878 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord (65|64) < 1362793323 790076 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :40 54 53 124 54 52 41 < 1362793346 503446 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 65||64 < 1362793348 83007 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num GHC.Types.Bool) < 1362793348 233247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal `6... < 1362793363 415569 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 65 .|. 64 < 1362793364 188499 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let a = ( 65||64 ) < 1362793365 156645 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 65 < 1362793365 645762 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :2:7: < 1362793365 795897 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Num Bool) < 1362793365 796011 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the literal... < 1362793376 732206 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 65 .&. 64 < 1362793378 648225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 64 < 1362793383 704013 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1362793461 989004 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1362793462 178644 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1362793481 574133 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bool 8 < 1362793489 149848 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help bool < 1362793489 300084 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1362793495 226061 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str 0 get < 1362793495 376193 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+++++++++++++++[>++++++++>++++>+++++++>+++++++<<<<-]>>++++++.>++++++.<<----.>----------------------------------.<----.>>+++.<<-----------.+.>>>.<++++++.<<-.>>-----.<++++++++++++++++++++++++++.--------------------------.<+.>>++.>+++++.<<<+.>>>+.<-.<.>----------------------.<++++++++++++.------------.>----------------------.<<------.>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>>----.<---.<++++.++++++++.>- < 1362793511 581054 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :v. elegant < 1362793557 149096 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str 1 get < 1362793557 299292 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :>,[>,]<[<]>[<++++[>--------<-]+>-[-------[--[<+++[>----<-]+>[< < 1362793564 323975 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1362793598 106403 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf str:0 < 1362793742 376140 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show prefixes < 1362793742 526778 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+15[>+8>+4>+7>+7<4-]>2+6.>+6.<2-4.>-34.<-4.>2+3.<2-11.+.>3.<+6.<2-.>2-5.<+26.-26.<+.>2+2.>+5.<3+.>3+.<-.<.>-22.<+12.-12.>-22.<2-6.>+67.>2-4.<-3.<+4.+8.>-37.<2-.>2+12.-12.<2-27.>3-4.<2.<-3.>.+5.>.+.+11.-12.>+5.-11.+12.-11.+2.-3.+.+13.<2.>.<2-2.>2.>.<2-2.>.>-48.-19.<.<+2.<+40.>+.-.+.<-6.+13.>-.>.>-.+.<.<2-2.-8.>.<-4.>-.<+4.+11.>-10.-8.>.<2+14.>3.<.<+9.>+67.<+5.-..>2-12.+9.+3.-12.<-.<-2.<-11.-2.>2.+13.<2+3.>3.+. < 1362793770 925578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :str:0 contains the code for prefixes < 1362793857 174176 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is possible the str:n syntax only works in ^def, not plain ^bf < 1362793883 806839 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle & < 1362793884 408625 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (&&) :: Bool -> Bool -> Bool < 1362793884 558723 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Bool (&&) :: Bool -> Bool -> Bool < 1362793884 558933 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Arrow (&&&) :: Arrow a => a b c -> a b c' -> a b (c, c') < 1362793894 646158 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, why no & anywhere? < 1362793904 17624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in Data.Lens now :) < 1362793909 276523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *Control.Lens < 1362793922 552092 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just flip ($), anyway < 1362793949 71397 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just meant the identifier. i would have expected & instead of .&., that sort of thing < 1362793966 839963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why no one used it before < 1362793971 252147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1362793987 89911 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably because they couldn't use | as that's syntax < 1362793998 395635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they made it .&. by analogy with .|. < 1362794010 925994 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :&& || < 1362794022 591324 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be familiar at least < 1362794029 314506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362794040 455868 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1362794046 39195 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: those are the booleans. < 1362794052 889241 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell is basically just glorified C right < 1362794063 727507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :BASICALLY < 1362794075 483307 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (<&>) < 1362794076 796295 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1362794076 957389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functor f => f a -> (a -> b) -> f b < 1362794085 481264 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1362794088 601415 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1362794091 820056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (0$0<&>) < 1362794092 627371 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 64>>1 < 1362794093 777375 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The operator `Control.Lens.Combinators.<&>' [infixl 1] of a section < 1362794093 937065 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mu... < 1362794094 87418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1362794101 992189 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> A>>1 < 1362794104 578005 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: data constructor `A' < 1362794104 741337 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 64 `shiftL` 1 < 1362794106 822985 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 128 < 1362794111 692610 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered: documentation < 1362794132 458497 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362794157 796414 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :behold http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/4.2.0.1/doc/html/Data-Bits.html < 1362794159 840876 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really out for sth < 1362794199 741414 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe for some conversation < 1362794203 337164 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAYBE < 1362794232 67494 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362794235 780426 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's sth < 1362794249 74773 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conversation is such a dirty word < 1362794252 473744 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw < 1362794262 615647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ($$) < 1362794263 826454 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doc -> Doc -> Doc < 1362794270 152871 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doc < 1362794294 813495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1362794311 317707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid operator, does some silly vertical merging < 1362794327 582617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike the intuitive $+$ version < 1362794367 797084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "like" $$ nest 4 (text "this") -- maybe < 1362794369 331631 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like < 1362794369 485562 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this < 1362794374 379472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1362794379 47972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "like" $$ nest 5 (text "this") -- maybe < 1362794379 418350 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1362794380 544890 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like this < 1362794391 364901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems it wants at least a space < 1362794396 192015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "like" $+$ nest 5 (text "this") -- maybe < 1362794397 808855 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : like < 1362794397 958655 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : this < 1362794422 211248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(lambdabot has an extra space on the first line) < 1362794596 57613 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362794906 811288 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can understand that they might want $$ for haskell do blocks and the like, but not making it the default vertical combiner. < 1362794980 61352 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362796791 537461 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362796822 460071 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362797427 165943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^31 < 1362797429 59104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2147483648 < 1362797439 977927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^32 `div` 3 < 1362797441 604774 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1431655765 < 1362797524 941428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length . filter (< 2^30) . take 1000 . randomRS (0,1431655765) $ mkStdGen 42 < 1362797526 841639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `randomRS' < 1362797526 991700 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1362797526 992020 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `randomR' (imp... < 1362797532 126273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length . filter (< 2^30) . take 1000 . randomRs (0,1431655765) $ mkStdGen 42 < 1362797535 34083 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 662 < 1362797561 30387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2^30/1431655766 * 1000 < 1362797562 684418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 749.999999650754 < 1362797572 973874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1362797606 899561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1362797628 588790 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length . filter (< 1431655765 `div` 2) . take 1000 . randomRs (0,1431655765) $ mkStdGen 42 < 1362797630 666165 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 332 < 1362797708 840105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> genRange (undefined :: StdGen) < 1362797710 917480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (0,2147483562) < 1362797762 522818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 * genRange (undefined :: StdGen) `div` 3 < 1362797764 303404 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Integral (GHC.Types.Int, GHC.Types.Int)) < 1362797764 453621 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arisi... < 1362797766 252164 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362797776 540851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 * snd (genRange (undefined :: StdGen)) `div` 3 < 1362797778 320564 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1431655708 < 1362797829 168715 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t genRange < 1362797830 816977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RandomGen g => g -> (Int, Int) < 1362797924 71787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length . filter (< 1431655708 `div` 2) . take 1000 . randomRs (0,1431655708) $ mkStdGen 42 < 1362797926 204987 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 332 < 1362797962 224919 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i thought the discrepancy would be the other way around... < 1362798367 264587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty bad, anyway :P < 1362798437 522810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically System.Random uses mod to generate random integrals.) < 1362798514 415154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Random is kind of awful < 1362798519 495528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also too lazy < 1362799060 349049 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db410f0.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1362799069 305646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just using mod is not good enough by itself though < 1362799095 352384 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that the point < 1362799097 578213 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it makes it potentially awful, as i demonstrated. < 1362799104 855633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are ways to improve it, though. < 1362799110 302173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :half the range is twice as likely as the other < 1362799133 751961 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i don't understand why it's _that_ half and not the other :P < 1362799165 500335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I thought of that when programming TeXnicard, and other programs, too. < 1362799186 664109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice that the Pokemon card named DIGGER also makes probabilities such as 2/3 with coins, is another way. < 1362799199 253012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also need good quality random number generators. Is ARCFOUR good enough? < 1362799241 909728 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is ARCFOUR+delay+microphone good enough? (This is what Famicom Hangman uses) < 1362799246 487578 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea about that bit :P < 1362799250 568328 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362799270 957493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just had a look in System.Random's code, noticed the ominous `mod`, and wanted to test it < 1362799309 424909 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i originally wanted to see how well it deals with unusual genRanges. the answer to that is: not at all. < 1362799313 95469 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1362799340 804547 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it simply assumes genRange is the same as for stdGen. < 1362799352 337000 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and _still_ manages to do things badly for that. < 1362799364 95369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*StdGen < 1362799429 446161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's still ok as long as the range is tiny, and for floats. < 1362800091 9772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/ticket/5280 < 1362800668 280924 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net QUIT :Quit: http://corewar.co.uk < 1362801912 741266 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362803466 648153 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Time to try to break my brain thinking about a language based off Trustfuck < 1362803473 943075 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's call it Trustfuck-- < 1362803496 842329 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As though it were a prior version of Trustfuck. < 1362803546 665881 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I'm going to say for now, while I go to make food and think < 1362803962 458713 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont just leave us hanging < 1362804197 64650 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe ! should just do trustfuck primitives, rather than "current language" primitives, and a primitive be added for quines, and some other features to make converting ! to mean "current language" a relatively simple task < 1362804287 777636 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although now I'm wondering if something vaguely inspired by Feather might be a good idea < 1362804301 695246 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would ais523 be mad if I called a language "Featherfuck"? < 1362804337 172295 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the vague inspiration involve time travel? if not you're fine < 1362804446 41028 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Either reruning code or doing some fixed-point thingamabob < 1362804503 777125 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't thought through the fixed-point thing well enough to know if it's even a coherent thought, although probably not < 1362805430 231923 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In disadvantages of ropes, the Wikipedia article says "Increased complexity of source code; greater risk for bugs" < 1362805434 826086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: your Famicom Hangman game uses RC4 as a random number generator? < 1362805448 413531 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that what code reuse is for? Does any non-library actually re-implement ropes? < 1362805527 649553 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the real world code reuse is not so much a thing < 1362805564 958269 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1362805794 933620 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes it does use RC4 as a random number generator, and it runs several times per frame. It also uses the microphone, if there is one. < 1362806148 695292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it good enough? < 1362807543 561928 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-83.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362807790 903937 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f087.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362808587 660990 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81f087.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1362808817 4557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362809593 74719 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist < 1362809598 464867 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist: shachaf monqy elliott < 1362809613 61188 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“a responsibility„ < 1362810111 945158 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :With great power comes great utility bills < 1362810184 380638 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362810587 907150 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362810680 869175 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-83.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362811416 354430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :28.8 kilobonghits per second < 1362811474 84279 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno, "kibibonghit" flows better. < 1362811493 563302 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those imperial or nautical bonghits < 1362811530 822183 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Avoirdupois. < 1362815043 656247 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What would you use if *you* are making Famicom Hangman? < 1362816169 108425 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: thonqy < 1362816361 103214 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362817012 504084 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362817139 793180 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362817865 313392 :aloril!~aloril@dsl-tkubrasgw3-54f97e-153.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362818774 119872 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362818858 627948 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362819139 902932 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362819315 828822 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let i = (:+) 0 in 4 + i 2 < 1362819318 253105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4.0 :+ 2.0 < 1362820222 110208 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362820242 311073 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362820262 31352 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362821562 403788 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :could someone explain me why n-cycle clears with n > 1 is any better than 1-cycled in bf joust? < 1362821711 972985 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. i don't see the advantage of [-.] over [-]. < 1362822301 63241 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362823015 109707 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362823164 20222 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362823346 284549 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329fa7.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362823351 161703 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362823782 546011 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1362823821 773820 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362824087 476403 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362826495 142119 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 QUIT : < 1362826595 41551 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362826915 488300 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362826956 526642 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362827074 994595 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362828308 774064 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362828325 53832 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362828752 291847 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1362828824 307940 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d9329fa7.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1362829968 944358 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362830174 611926 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362831128 164031 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 QUIT 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:#esoteric < 1362836997 75812 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362838752 510773 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fully functional in-browser clone of SimCity. http://tholman.com/playable-simcity-2013/ < 1362838778 83628 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not fully functional enough! < 1362838780 534941 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or too full... < 1362838784 623284 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Server's busy < 1362838853 891112 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion, but it's online-only! < 1362838866 673491 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems folks demand it < 1362838874 56556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Please tell me it has local saves.) < 1362838963 375718 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :game saving is for wimps < 1362838992 75339 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nightmare mode(tm) forever! < 1362839029 501424 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362840472 59989 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362843371 114548 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362844390 132625 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362844471 656558 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362845151 151656 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362845985 801579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: :( < 1362846013 824479 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that :( at my Arrow explanation or my Applicative explanation < 1362846026 18981 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm presuming my Arrow explanation although my Applicative explanation did suck < 1362846230 907353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was at "(<*>) takes a thing full of functions, and a thing full of inputs to the function, and applies the functions and the inputs in some way, then combines the rest of the things together < 1362846234 911333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1362846399 655002 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is that inaccurate or misleading < 1362846510 998229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "thing full of" and the plural........... < 1362846528 843557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have stuff where the "functions" branch on an undetermined amount of input etc. where the container analogy kinda breaks down < 1362846603 107525 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Analogies break down eventually < 1362846605 513186 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362846655 57475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well imo it's a bad idea to give people things that will confuse them when they get to stuff like that because they've been given preconceptions...... especially when there's a lot of bad tutorials they can read if they really want analogies < 1362846660 760505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it wasn't a really big frown < 1362847019 480572 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, ekmett added me to another repo < 1362847020 307989 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help < 1362847071 188727 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362847291 331738 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [a] -> ([a],a,[a]) < 1362847292 38073 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1362847359 146731 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just sigh whenever i get another email about that now < 1362847393 409476 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362847441 57203 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \pivot:xs -> (filter (pivot <=) xs,pivot,filter (> pivot) xs) < 1362847442 523974 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `:' < 1362847448 887406 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \(pivot:xs) -> (filter (pivot <=) xs,pivot,filter (> pivot) xs) < 1362847450 239614 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ord a => [a] -> ([a], a, [a]) < 1362847458 120357 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling that I'm the only person who's been added to tables < 1362847505 607300 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \(x:xs) -> (xs,x,xs) -- boring < 1362847507 104168 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[t] -> ([t], t, [t]) < 1362847539 216024 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \(x:xs) -> ([],x,xs) -- maybe what nooodl wants < 1362847540 517389 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[t] -> ([a], t, [t]) < 1362847589 263557 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, i just realized i actually want < 1362847589 958138 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle Int -> [a] -> ([a],a,[a]) < 1362847590 624252 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1362847616 173825 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but splitAt is close enough < 1362847648 667291 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :f = (\(a,b:c) -> (a,b,c)) . splitAt < 1362847800 468165 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362847959 714832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: dont do that < 1362847971 171955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that f is wrong but mainly dont do that < 1362847999 379609 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need (.).(.) don't i < 1362848011 801987 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what's wrong, i might not actually be doing the wrong thing anymore < 1362848048 725978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well using indices into lists is generally a bad idea < 1362848103 730123 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you essentially saying "don't use (!!)" here < 1362848111 152386 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes he is < 1362848114 950250 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree with elliott < 1362848131 938437 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well.... i'm fairly sure i do need indices sorry < 1362848141 508392 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then use a structure other than lists < 1362848154 638760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the point < 1362848168 553570 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is from that lyah exercise thingy < 1362848171 954230 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw O(n) access is the shit bro < 1362848187 9252 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's asking me to write a binary search function on list that also logs using Writer < 1362848196 901864 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know it's not something you'd actually do... < 1362848253 94363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if the lyah exercises want you to do bad things then imho they're bad exercises! < 1362848264 892180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i doubt you need indices to do binary search on [] < 1362848269 511663 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also from the example it's apparent that the guy who made the exercise solved it wrong himself < 1362848293 245798 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how're you going to find the center without indices < 1362848324 443530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo these exercises sound shit and you should stop doing them? < 1362848359 414386 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're better than the alternative of "no exercises" < 1362848365 772309 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do them better < 1362848381 44214 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figure out how to use arrays and implement binary search with them < 1362848436 828027 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this solution probably wouldn't require a lot of changes to work with Array! i might do that < 1362848464 192315 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad Array sucks too :( < 1362848495 508968 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i use then < 1362848509 220965 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what do you use if you want arrays, in haskell < 1362848513 846773 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, this type signature is growing to be pretty large < 1362848515 740158 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :binarySearch :: (Show a, Ord a, Eq a, Monoid b) => (a -> a -> b) -> a -> Array Int a -> Writer b Bool < 1362848524 498116 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vectors unless something new's come up since < 1362848542 982817 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it even say Ord a, Eq a < 1362848544 346449 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: Ord includes Eq < 1362848547 98175 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of just Ord a < 1362848547 735153 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362848571 603986 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do arrays suck? < 1362848574 306898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too many of them? < 1362848623 380538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: vector or maybe repa or something but sometimes array is the only non-annoying option < 1362848627 408242 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then it's annoying because it's array < 1362848628 422856 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://u.arboreus.com/2011/03/how-to-choose-haskell-array-library.html has some stuff < 1362848646 151349 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow a table < 1362848658 357923 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry "feature matrix" < 1362848680 488276 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why does it not have access time for Data.Array. < 1362848696 769291 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i'll use Vector < 1362848700 667443 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds interesting < 1362848714 460140 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they just suck that much < 1362848730 999452 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :import qualified Data.Vector as V < 1362848736 952284 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this evil, it feels evil < 1362848801 751607 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Possibly because the Ix class can be arbitrarily slow? < 1362848805 34004 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure < 1362848871 728179 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit < 1362848874 767526 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :O(1) take? < 1362848913 159944 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it's immutable it doesn't have to copy anything, so of course < 1362848919 217123 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362848927 169397 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh who thought "snoc" was a good name for snoc < 1362849047 476131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :snoc is fine < 1362849063 322413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: (bad GC properties :( ) < 1362849131 911555 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Yeah GCs kinda suck like that < 1362849159 467913 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i crashed winghci < 1362849173 742928 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Congrats < 1362849180 87343 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there should be a way to do the copying of the "take"d elements when the original array gets freed < 1362849183 85103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like copying GC style < 1362849210 389364 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, anyone here know the best way to get a C++11 into Haskell < 1362849226 120166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :give up < 1362849227 58065 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vector should be able to tell the GC that a given reference only needs a certain slice of the data < 1362849233 629730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more generally give up on binding C++ to haskell < 1362849309 74014 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362849362 602711 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, "V.enumFromN 1 1000000000" is crashing ghci but i don't know what i expected < 1362849370 417390 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean. that's a pretty big vector < 1362849397 484033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you need a billion element vector for something < 1362849408 805114 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's N gigabytes where N is the type's size (so probably Int's size) < 1362849427 768711 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :testing this binary search function!! < 1362849455 317241 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you think four gigabytes is a bit much for testing < 1362849499 825678 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc thinks so at least < 1362849524 781666 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: "maxBound :: Int" < 1362849568 610420 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl : maxBound : Int < 1362849587 501713 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362849596 898848 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1362849642 122431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is love < 1362849656 752662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362849680 542190 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (maxBound - minBound) :: Int < 1362849682 618962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1362849684 343710 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1362849684 493935 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362849702 764166 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why is love < 1362849747 816462 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :red queen hth < 1362849764 197898 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH hth. < 1362849787 899618 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi everyone hth. How's it going hth? < 1362849810 742475 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty well < 1362849835 71419 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to hear hth. < 1362849889 930672 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yesterday was the eighth hth. < 1362849967 256725 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, to which URL should speaking post. Should it post to character/n/speak/? Seems like as good a URL as any. < 1362850595 469717 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362850860 934954 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1362850910 822556 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362851216 60179 :cookienugget!a4d71b95@gateway/web/freenode/ip.164.215.27.149 PART :#esoteric < 1362851237 485532 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362851323 319017 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362852769 183979 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362853602 541659 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362853746 852312 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: bbl < 1362855926 7228 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: the first track of every single album I've bought on its release day opened at number 2 in the UK singles chart < 1362856103 227658 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham? More like MAX HEH < 1362856141 969774 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always a barrel of laughs up in hexham < 1362856225 948595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good triviopodes < 1362856257 555443 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are those octopodes who won't shut up about star trek < 1362856304 457115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362856348 243783 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, those two messages from me were completely unrelated < 1362856408 389145 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I search the esoteric logs? < 1362856509 213750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need to rsync them + grep < 1362856520 132407 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬_¬ < 1362856520 562883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :type !logs for the info < 1362856950 19426 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362857103 301588 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!logs < 1362857255 572459 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362857905 35929 :impomatic!~digital_w@158.195.125.91.dyn.plus.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm... thanks. I only wondered the size of the Brainfuck Hello World I posted here... < 1362858104 535582 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ord ¬ < 1362858104 722646 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :194 172 < 1362858154 815188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362858229 315212 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362858676 180177 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-144-3.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362859026 208346 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362859265 674415 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362859840 959866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362860665 59376 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362861675 694364 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362861686 862760 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362861687 50280 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Client Quit < 1362862292 421970 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it seems impossible with haskell types to generalize Control.Lens.Iso.mapping to take a Setter instead of just a Functor instance < 1362862354 593441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the setter needs to be used at two different types < 1362862418 887204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rank-2? < 1362862433 324258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mapping < 1362862435 121357 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f1, Functor f, Profunctor p) => AnIso s t a b -> p (f a) (f1 (f b)) -> p (f s) (f1 (f t)) < 1362862438 364519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1362862449 585473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...if those two types have a common rank-2 expression you are halfway to Functor already :( < 1362862489 716938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could take two setters :P < 1362862531 75880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but that would ruin the point of my investigation, which was why wasn't mapping defined as mappingOf mapped in the first place < 1362862548 800900 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mappingOfOf mapped mapped < 1362862550 104715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with great generalization possibilities < 1362862558 614102 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly the way to go < 1362862607 885403 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it doesn't have to be all the way to Functor because it only has to work with f/f1, right? < 1362862612 327013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could make it work with GADTs and stuff < 1362862651 14285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: f is the functor in question, f1 is the usual lens choosable one < 1362862664 513510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, right < 1362862682 646700 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362862693 380870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs to map f a -> f s and f t -> f s < 1362862730 112145 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362862751 525337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (a -> s) -> (f a -> f s) and (t -> b) -> (f t -> f b) < 1362862766 194701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1362862775 530233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the definition of mapping is essentially mapping (iso sa bt) = iso (fmap sa) (fmap bt) < 1362862875 664096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you want to replace fmap by setter %~ < 1362863004 343107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t mapped %~ view swapped < 1362863005 803901 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Swapped p) => f (p a b) -> f (p b a) < 1362863065 935089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1362863080 204673 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1362863090 158728 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhyming with lenses < 1362863091 978897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that gives you a Getter only < 1362863099 28286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaict < 1362863101 314795 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362863145 37641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t review < 1362863146 352673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadReader b m => AReview s t a b -> m t < 1362863157 764096 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t re < 1362863159 46511 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gettable f => AReview s t a b -> (t -> f t) -> b -> f b < 1362863223 554667 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> review _Just 10 >>= \x -> lift [x] < 1362863225 342746 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Data.Maybe.Maybe b0' < 1362863225 492820 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual... < 1362863267 960886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t review _Just 10 < 1362863269 590942 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => Maybe a < 1362863285 998909 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT WILL BE WHY < 1362863292 729334 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t review _Just >>= \x -> lift [x] < 1362863294 236908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(MonadTrans t, MonadReader b (t [])) => t [] (Maybe b) < 1362863304 805586 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runReaderT (review _Just >>= \x -> lift [x]) 10 < 1362863306 774810 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Just 10] < 1362863358 164995 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362863358 544105 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362863358 693964 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362863381 323322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t review < 1362863382 962845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadReader b m => AReview s t a b -> m t < 1362863496 269300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:32:54 could someone explain me why n-cycle clears with n > 1 is any better than 1-cycled in bf joust? < 1362863499 686074 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :01:35:24 i.e. i don't see the advantage of [-.] over [-]. < 1362863544 274296 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's because to win, you have to make the flag 0 for _two_ consecutive turns < 1362863559 131108 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you do with [-]. < 1362863601 305294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the opponent may be changing the flag during the ] step < 1362863620 498829 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so he may in [-.] < 1362863636 719774 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in [-], if he does you just exit the loop < 1362863637 843622 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not unless he _also_ did it in the . step < 1362863646 784059 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In [-.], you start decrementing it again < 1362863697 878987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in [-.], if you reach the ] you _know_ your last - didn't succeed, so you just start again. < 1362863709 808625 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'd test something like [[-].] then < 1362863772 350078 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not a bfjoust expert, but i expect all of which works best depends on the opponent's defence strategy < 1362863780 497168 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does this statement help? < 1362863782 457617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If L is a language, f is a function L->Trustfuck, and g is the inverse of f (that is, a function Trustfuck->L), then g(",+[-:,+]!") is a compiler for L, not a compiler for Trustfuck." < 1362863829 1441 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have I ever said that Trustfuck is ridiculous? < 1362863834 229790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, how so? < 1362863842 135002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it makes no mathematical sense to call that an inverse < 1362863870 44557 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, really, it's your offhand comments about the consequences of Trustfuck that are ridiculous rather than the language itself < 1362863876 970527 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which I don't understand due to lack of effort < 1362863892 702298 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, hmm < 1362863894 135639 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: dito < 1362863916 229740 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does not give f(g(x)) the same semantics as x, obviously, which is the point of the statement of course < 1362863941 486409 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you need to mention f at all < 1362863944 592341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, neither is semantics-preserving. < 1362864018 659582 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the semantics of ",+[-:,+]!" is "be a compiler for the current language" not "be a compiler for Trustfuck" < 1362864025 778270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that... make it work? < 1362864034 100122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's what I'm trying to get at < 1362864052 711345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because the current language doesn't use those characters at all, potentially :P < 1362864360 929047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1362864376 312152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there my brain ran out of energy again. < 1362864401 923222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I know an accurate description < 1362864407 567264 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should think about Trustfuck-- a bit < 1362864494 28100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this is a thought: < 1362864535 362829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A compiler written in Trustfuck for a language L does not compile to Trustfuck before doing !, the way I've described < 1362864549 7567 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It compiles to... something else < 1362864588 314311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A language similar to Trustfuck except a different meaning for ! < 1362864601 208917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would suggest trying to give a semantics of each language that makes no reference to more fundamental languages existing. < 1362864682 564908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1362864690 379869 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362864733 297073 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe not more than two neighboring levels < 1362864736 790975 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362864778 334248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If L is a language, let L' be a language that is identical to Trustfuck except that ! accepts and compiles L code instead of Trustfuck code. < 1362864797 836204 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, I think ! should never be stated to compile Trustfuck code. < 1362864840 164279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except along the same vein, L''s ! doesn't really take L code, does it? Because if L has an equvalent to !, then ... < 1362865272 86828 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1362865920 157553 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362866407 381772 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle runMaybeT < 1362866407 972487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Trans.Maybe runMaybeT :: MaybeT m a -> m (Maybe a) < 1362866447 928124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erp, I wrote my code a bit backwards I think < 1362866470 136620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ending up with a Maybe (IO ()) < 1362866476 221712 :kallisti_!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362866494 812092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle a (b c) -> b (a c) < 1362866495 426105 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Traversable sequenceA :: (Traversable t, Applicative f) => t (f a) -> f (t a) < 1362866495 576399 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Traversable sequence :: (Traversable t, Monad m) => t (m a) -> m (t a) < 1362866495 576613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Test.QuickCheck.Gen promote :: Monad m => m (Gen a) -> Gen (m a) < 1362866497 419021 :kallisti1!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362866604 427267 :kallisti_!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1362866605 372598 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1362866680 684271 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle sequenceM < 1362866681 240772 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1362866689 741259 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t sequence < 1362866691 397381 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => [m a] -> m [a] < 1362866693 51578 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Maybe traversable? < 1362866705 671940 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sequence $ Just "hello" < 1362866707 827672 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[m0 a0]' < 1362866708 29490 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `Data.... < 1362866713 347725 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> Data.Traversable.sequence $ Just "hello" < 1362866715 671369 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Just 'h',Just 'e',Just 'l',Just 'l',Just 'o'] < 1362866717 539131 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1362866798 532490 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't quite seem to be working for me < 1362866814 869278 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I see why < 1362866849 553434 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :() <$ T.sequence mSendIt < 1362866856 470687 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have just gone overboard < 1362866864 210823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doing that instead of putting a return () at the end < 1362866868 637148 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may be the first person to ever have compared Order of the Stick to the University of Birmingham < 1362866916 441930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that's Control.Monad.void < 1362866918 832566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes, Monad, not Functor) < 1362866929 923416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle void < 1362866930 538048 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foreign.Marshal.Error void :: IO a -> IO () < 1362866930 688152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad void :: Functor f => f a -> f () < 1362866930 688328 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :package void < 1362866936 677539 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, ty < 1362866943 984977 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> void $ Just 2 < 1362866946 7664 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just () < 1362866951 468247 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> void "hello" < 1362866953 492792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [(),(),(),(),()] < 1362866961 785235 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> void ("one", 2) < 1362866963 696813 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ("one",()) < 1362866972 287317 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pairs are a functor? < 1362866978 817836 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tuples are < 1362866981 162219 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1362866994 728955 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Functor ((,) a) where fmap f (a, b) = (a, f b) < 1362867011 41413 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the first argument is a monoid I think they're a monad < 1362867043 606890 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Monoid a => Monad ((,) a) where return = (,) mempty; (a, b) >>= f = let (a', c) = f b in (a `mappend` a', c) < 1362867065 109542 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's just Writer) < 1362867074 527423 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: there are lots of instances. sorta wack to say pairs "are" a functor.............. especially since in some cases it's partially applied pairs < 1362867078 884346 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in other cases < 1362867083 109510 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's certain sortsa pairs < 1362867084 724430 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :special pairs < 1362867090 50626 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pairs with only one sorta thing in them < 1362867097 983574 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Pair a = Pair a a < 1362867134 467250 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Functor Pair where fmap f (Pair a a) = Pair (f a) (f a) < 1362867159 114248 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modulo stupid names that overlap < 1362867373 705880 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, how's that IRC thingy you're doing going < 1362867388 897184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, did it < 1362867399 620106 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some ugly parts < 1362867413 144082 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And config stuff is hard-coded < 1362867418 859037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's meant to be a simple bot < 1362867451 748869 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might make a bot that evaluates Piet < 1362867460 836085 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than one written in piet < 1362867498 110975 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hpaste.org/83768 < 1362867735 411824 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1362867743 857685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just realized that there's some unneeded code there < 1362867748 796269 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you making an irc bot in piet? < 1362867755 439967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just pretrend lines 25-26 don't exist < 1362867766 541358 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And line 24 < 1362868321 173034 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362868931 185485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362869384 211617 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362869580 601235 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362869614 654249 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362869620 696743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question of the day: what kind of sane person uses lowercase xi < 1362869680 470316 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :xi? < 1362869680 804481 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see lowercase xi every so often < 1362869689 193126 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uppercase xi, now that's crazy < 1362869794 467442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uppercase xi is ok as long as it's not sans serif < 1362869808 741495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uppercase sans serif xi is the abomination unto nature < 1362869817 724041 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but lowercase xi is so damn hard to write! < 1362869822 114811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for zeta < 1362869840 384969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's slightly less fiddly < 1362869854 287836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well thankfully the greeks are fucking dead < 1362869857 961691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you don't have to write greek any more < 1362869859 768692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :8-) < 1362869970 674393 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you realise that in that case everyone will just write the normal alphabet in weird ways < 1362869972 651202 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to think of it in steps. ς → ζ → ξ < 1362870005 229469 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The greeks aren't dead, just economically oh no'd < 1362870012 550922 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you meant xi the greek letter? reminds me of an old calculus lecturer who used the same squiggle for every greek letter, ln and cos < 1362870029 59542 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, sound awful < 1362870078 138456 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not all bad though, the unreadable formulas does sort of force you to pay attention to what's being written and what it means < 1362870081 171758 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ς is just an s. ζ is just ς with a line above it. ξ is just ζ with a dent in it < 1362870109 930906 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of my lecturers is greek < 1362870124 839449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he writes beta as what is for all intents and purposes an ordinary b < 1362870203 552856 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. he uses the ordinary b instead of the latin b? < 1362870261 312317 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is return being in Monad rather than Functor a quirk? < 1362870269 720455 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1362870277 874002 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be in Applicative if anywhere < 1362870282 437803 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functors do NOT have return < 1362870288 800157 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(necessarily) < 1362870299 267078 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, typeclass organisation is a mess, iirc < 1362870306 508984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad is detached from the rest of the hierarchy for historical reasons < 1362870311 853803 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but I want to know if this is a mess or something I'm misunderstanding. < 1362870320 756700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pure" in Applicative is what return should be < 1362870330 173292 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362870335 288223 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I thought mathematical functors mapped objects in addition to morphisms. < 1362870339 994626 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, not all functors have an equivalent to return < 1362870341 286338 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "f" maps the object < 1362870348 565847 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an object in Hask is a *type* < 1362870354 854689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Functor models endofunctors (functors Hask -> Hask) < 1362870356 280700 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's return :: a -> (Void, a)? < 1362870367 55902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you have a Functor instance f < 1362870375 12638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then f Int is mapping the object Int < 1362870381 755406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fmap maps morphisms (functions) < 1362870395 201739 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fmap (Int -> Int) maps the morphism. < 1362870411 880880 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. a functor takes the morphism f : A -> B to F(f) : F(A) -> F(B), where F(X) is mapping the object X < 1362870420 664563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: erm, that's not valid syntax, but sure < 1362870434 817506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in this case, a functor takes the morphism f :: Int -> String to fmap f :: F Int -> F String < 1362870436 827264 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psh syntax < 1362870455 879730 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that makes sense. < 1362870488 230669 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually Functor models something ridiculous like functors mapping Hask to the subcategory of Hask where only types of the form (f a) are objects or such) < 1362870492 693420 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but that doesn't really matter) < 1362870504 426853 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds elegant. < 1362870608 463573 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1362870608 613640 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1362870619 141124 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1362870623 92994 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, false alarm possibly < 1362870626 321911 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1362870630 90220 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is ^list for < 1362870639 380776 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you dont want to know < 1362870643 839110 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, notifying about Homestuck updates < 1362870645 635507 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :annoying s h a c h a f mostly? < 1362870663 173716 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362870663 532365 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362870663 683055 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362870678 828743 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the new homestuck updates look really boring < 1362870679 597155 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cherub time? < 1362870684 507635 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, nah, he's not on the ^list < 1362870707 366255 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :by new i mean anything that happened in the past 1-2 years < 1362870719 64029 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sort of amazes me that people read homestuck < 1362870738 188417 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although cf his HackEgo wisdom < 1362870775 214981 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the past 1-2 years have been pretty wonderful < 1362870787 216409 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I guess still not the wonderfulness of act 5 and karkat arguing with himself < 1362870845 914755 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are like almost the exact opposite of me < 1362870864 858853 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best of homestuck for me was when it was about the original 4 < 1362870875 362403 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shit on your desk < 1362870896 732442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hivebent was jut a chore for me since i really wanted to know e.g. where jade was going to land < 1362870908 548002 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really do like the original 4 humans, yeah. I never really got into the alpha kids much < 1362870920 416711 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I quite like the Alpha kids < 1362870922 150258 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and jade is still my favorite is and john is still the most adorable dork and dave is still awesome < 1362870933 506267 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jake's my favourite now < 1362870952 852144 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: what have you started < 1362870961 169749 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi monqy < 1362870961 613081 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hivebent had such wonderful characters too. like karkat < 1362871521 175867 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362872515 593307 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf http://perl8.org/ < 1362872525 662137 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Someone has perl8.org pointing to Scala) < 1362872541 782790 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming language jokes! < 1362873223 732680 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than www.perl5.org < 1362873259 692783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much cheating would be acceptable in a Feather-like language? < 1362873289 920375 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :-2% < 1362873311 670283 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not only may you not cheat but you must do community service to make up for all the stupid time travel jokes you're causing < 1362873502 438565 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compiled languages often have a bootstrap process, in which, say, a compiler for L written in L is compiled using a compiler for L written in another language. Can this process be made a part of the language somehow? < 1362873569 797384 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :just write the compiler in L, like all those C compilers written in C < 1362873574 536126 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of self-respecting language acknowledges other languages' existence? that sounds like step one down a path to interoperability son < 1362873608 689168 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the point being you need something to start it off, a compiler for L when there is no compiler for L presently. < 1362873696 606718 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I _know_ some Smalltalker has done something imminently relevant to this discussion and to Feather < 1362873699 93416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh < 1362873722 820834 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :know as in you are guessing so, or know as in you remember somebody doing so? < 1362873740 884988 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: if on this path you happen to find a good model of code serialization (not compilation) you should let me know about it < 1362873796 275002 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Know as in I remember someone doing so, although I guess the actual relevance of the project is questionable < 1362873807 972660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw source code that started out in one language and turned into another < 1362873820 340684 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that just a compiler. < 1362873835 635143 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you mean like within a source? < 1362873837 728014 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1362873843 456687 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that seems a bit like Forth < 1362873847 279415 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it wasn't Forth < 1362873865 878124 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it depends on what you mean by "language". < 1362873881 579968 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean if you write enough functions is that a language, if you write macros does that make it a language, if you alter the parser... < 1362873909 803253 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the very least the parser changed, but I think it was more fundamental than that < 1362873925 170173 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds ugly and gross < 1362874034 888882 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could also incrementally alter the way the compiler works. < 1362874039 737144 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Found it < 1362874040 228760 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://piumarta.com/software/maru/maru-2.4/test-pepsi.l < 1362874063 631556 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can change binary lambda calculus into binary combinatory logic within 125 bits, but it all looks like 0s and 1s:-( < 1362874071 430705 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'course it's piumarta < 1362874079 844734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :piumarta? < 1362874086 795501 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dynamic-languages-symposium.org/dls-06/program/media/IanPiumarta_2006_OpenExtensibleDynamicProgrammingSystems_Dls.pdf < 1362874096 527323 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah one of his papers < 1362874105 114811 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the "'course it's piumarta" < 1362874114 618972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because piumarta does all this stuff < 1362874119 177410 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(piumarta is great) < 1362874121 933137 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhhh basically one of his papers had apply and eval as functions with definable multimethods < 1362874125 304671 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah that < 1362874143 432352 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should look up maru if you haven't < 1362874147 456970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the vpri stuff he does does things like < 1362874153 472576 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pasting in the diagram of a tcp packet from the rfc directly < 1362874160 59842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it gives you a parser for them < 1362874166 213474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok that's awesome. < 1362874166 819081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's how they define the packet structure < 1362874181 469858 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to go read this presentation < 1362874406 709191 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://piumarta.com/software/cola/ welp < 1362874420 784315 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pepsi and cola? < 1362874426 467379 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a theme here < 1362874429 714813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess he's thirsty < 1362874439 409034 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maru is named after some cat though < 1362874569 548435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Pepsi -- not quite The Real Thing < 1362874571 80814 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1362874624 971879 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(a white-paper advocating widespread, unreasonable behaviour) < 1362874625 122094 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1362874678 653503 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ais523 would like this < 1362874680 965265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? < 1362874727 702280 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1362874823 245020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll understand this COLA stuff if I read the whitepaper < 1362874824 998173 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading it now < 1362874835 830391 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lo was sgeo drowned in sodas < 1362875083 165456 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like writing a lightweight graph-oriented p2p distributed database < 1362875100 973458 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :go 4 it < 1362875114 747398 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i think about network programming and I'm like NO < 1362875169 963935 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"(Readers under the age of 35, or those never significantly exposed < 1362875170 113750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to an anglo-saxon culture, might have trouble figuring this one out.)" < 1362875182 585190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was there some sort of ad campaign where Pepsi was called fake? < 1362875187 997134 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A fake Coke? < 1362875217 736428 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new coke I think < 1362875221 350617 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :New Coke. < 1362875230 603699 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scandal of the century < 1362875237 836258 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I prefer Fentimans < 1362875243 166384 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The cola of Hexham < 1362875259 258153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a dire warning: If anyone here ever considers setting up WPA2 Enterprise at home, think again. The radius server configuration almost broke my mind. < 1362875303 872778 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And don't talk to me about connecting windows clients to it. < 1362875306 432259 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal Enterprises Inc LLC GmbH is foiled once again. < 1362875318 882835 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, you forgot A/S and AB < 1362875332 562765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HHI superiority remains unsurpassed < 1362875333 650570 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and Ltd < 1362875365 173411 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: LLC means the same as Ltd < 1362875369 108644 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, so does GmbH... < 1362875375 669840 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1362875384 37568 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :But LLC more literally does since they're in the same language X-D < 1362875390 580695 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1362875390 969738 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362875396 827297 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, didn't know that, hm < 1362875405 978334 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :also SSL/TLS certificate infrastructure is weird < 1362875407 209190 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My various nicks spell out the first three letters of my real name < 1362875427 9431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, oh? < 1362875435 748219 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd < 1362875438 101228 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaT < 1362875442 191449 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NaThAn < 1362875450 650410 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1362875464 372606 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net NICK :hendiadys < 1362875486 402211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also I discovered two amusing bugs with this premium segment netgear router/AP < 1362875487 407080 :hendiadys!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Surprised this isn't taken < 1362875515 433934 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :hendiadys: Also free: Surprised < 1362875533 331901 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, both are related to not having the IP 192.168.1.1. Stuff breaks. For a start, RADIUS breaks, since it sends that IP hard coded in the RADIUS requests. Also it doesn't listen to telnet if that IP is not used. < 1362875546 389664 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is going to give me a headache, isn't it? < 1362875547 510049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Messaging is therefore self-describing (the semantics of sending messages to objects are < 1362875547 659931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :described and implemented by sending messages to objects)." < 1362875548 511685 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Is there a REASON you wanted Enterprise at home? < 1362875591 518887 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just call it "metacircularity" and you'll sound smart without having to get it < 1362875594 880962 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, because I could? And I'm paranoid and like the idea of using certificates to limit who can connect, after all I use keys-only for ssh < 1362875718 619557 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION gives up < 1362875723 568688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll try reading it another day < 1362875728 89379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also hm, think of the possibilities with granting temporary access to guests, (using EAP-TTLS-MSCHAPv2 or PEAP obviously, using EAP-TLS would be far too annoying for that). Hey I could design a web interface for that < 1362875752 720625 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Because I could” → nope < 1362875755 750875 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRN BRU < 1362875774 854549 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well, a lot of the stuff that happens in this channel is "because I could" < 1362875788 780237 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, I mean, you clearly couldN'T ;) < 1362875804 846581 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, well I did manage in the end, I just suggest it wasn't worth the effort < 1362875815 846149 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh! < 1362875816 293442 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :and probably will result in a lot of frustration < 1362875821 450813 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I thought you'd tried and given up. < 1362875827 256236 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you said you got it working X-D < 1362875831 634244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, I said it *almost* broke my mind < 1362875847 458791 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :In no way does that suggest whether you made it work or not. < 1362875855 333386 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, also it is an axiom that I do not give up until my mind is broken < 1362875865 75507 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, that I didn't know X-D < 1362875876 324890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, because I consider giving up as my mind breaking < 1362875900 762893 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I can prove it impossible of course, which it clearly isn't in this case, since it is being used all over the place < 1362875911 606150 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to keep my mind unbroken. < 1362875914 342352 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I give up before that point. < 1362875919 452232 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah okay < 1362876013 70011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, anyway, the most annoying thing was probably how well Microsoft hid the checkbox for "do not prepend the computer name to the user name you enter in a totally different part of the property-dialog box tree thingy" < 1362876066 462326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least OS X didn't really hide the configuration, it was in a logical place, just not shown on initial connection attempt < 1362876103 386339 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you can have temporary guests so long as they go through some insanely complicated configuration process first? < 1362876157 214719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, it isn't very complicated on the client side on linux or android though < 1362876161 589857 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362876166 537397 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really simple there really < 1362876187 59555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, but I have no idea why microsoft wanted to make it more complex than required < 1362876282 522474 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor, actually, unless you use pattern lock or higher (that is, pin code or password), you can't seem to import the CA certificate of the RADIUS server on Android into the certificate store. < 1362876293 784771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I guess that could potentially count as complicated on Android < 1362876310 95786 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what sort of person wouldn't use at least pattern lock though < 1362876341 320333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(nor can I imagine someone using password to unlock the screen of their phone, since the screen timeout is so short on a phone) < 1362876374 258330 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't use a pattern lock. < 1362876379 439290 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :My phone doesn't lock. < 1362876382 38166 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1362876386 32614 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just swipe-to-go. < 1362876388 733989 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362876399 517776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess I found such an user then < 1362876412 949961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I personally use pattern lock < 1362876695 629106 :hendiadys!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: bedtime for hendiadys < 1362877326 403346 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362877836 823731 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1362877868 831750 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362878004 928855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How much cheating would be acceptable in a Feather-like language? <-- i would think it is his unwillingness to cheat that makes ais523 crazy thinking about feather. otoh i doubt he would care about cheating that had no _observable_ effect. < 1362878115 610411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does "results in the language actually being able to run on a computer" count as an observable effect? < 1362878173 690117 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the cheat is that it exists? < 1362878176 999424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather is runnable < 1362878191 703111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you think it is inherently not you don't understand it... < 1362878252 566146 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :' I don't think a) is solvable, while remaining computable, but you can fake it using retroactive changes < 1362878252 716290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1362878285 475379 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, there you go, he's obviously fine with faking it! as long as it doesn't result in a parade of dumb jokes < 1362878341 838213 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont forget the 2% community service. parade of dumb jokes is inevitable haven't you seen them < 1362878440 117849 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Bike.*joke < 1362878444 938275 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah whatever < 1362878447 732206 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :888) i don't even know anything about feather and i'm getting sick of the time travel jokes < 1362878456 685047 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait is that really the command < 1362878556 689545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which command < 1362879170 865449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like daylight saving time. How many other people in here hate daylight saving time? < 1362879340 608952 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time sucks < 1362879373 752284 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean spacetime? < 1362879411 356698 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i mean time < 1362879531 939281 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Space sucks too < 1362879607 249029 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate time in general but especially daylight savings time. the worst time. < 1362879908 21174 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1362879942 582054 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362880100 373815 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the papers mentioned in hoogle's readme interesting? < 1362880330 636659 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362880336 217775 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362881460 509526 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362881749 41429 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm going to go watch some Farscape per Phantom_Hoover's suggestion. < 1362881850 102712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesssss oh shit does this mean i have to watch that thing < 1362881857 742369 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1362881868 869813 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the other hand, "that thing" is only 12 30-minute episodes. < 1362881870 609100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :total < 1362881906 99363 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that thing < 1362881909 425817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, even if it seems not interesting for the first few episodes, keep with it. Telling you how long to keep with it would be spoily < 1362881914 685077 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Puella Magi Madoka Magica < 1362881920 384192 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was my guess < 1362881992 249056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think Fiora already spoiled ~the twist~ but also i have since forgotten what it is < 1362882038 207344 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh hey Farscape's on Hulu :D < 1362882089 308719 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the calculus of constructions with the axiom of choice would be equivalent to ZFC. < 1362882106 258642 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, fuck you americans < 1362882117 751450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tribulations i had to go through < 1362882121 125722 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to torrent it < 1362882170 564922 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :How far could you get in defining V in the CoC? Start by defining a well-ordering. < 1362882180 666450 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i nearly gave up when the resolution inexplicably dropped to the size of a postage stamp in season 3 < 1362882204 491492 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this "farscape" thing is it good < 1362882222 132688 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mahō Shōjo Madoka Magika is actually fairly good, though it's very not-obvious at the start. < 1362882224 676698 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362882227 116290 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then, for each well-ordering n, say that V_n is any set of elements of V_m, where m < n, and if m and m' are isomorphic, then it contains the same elements of V_m as of V_m'. < 1362882260 23941 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks at the macrons. hoighty-toighty < 1362882264 583763 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt you can actually write that definition in CoC. < 1362882266 281645 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: It's only slightly spoilery to say that it's a deconstruction. < 1362882274 321446 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiss < 1362882279 852050 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I romanize stuff right. :P < 1362882289 186632 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you aware of any realistic fantastical anime? < 1362882290 560713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it's the SG-1 guy! < 1362882294 181619 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mahou shoujou madouka magika < 1362882302 353138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362882303 399565 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: more realistic than the Fullmetal Alchemists, but it's allowed to be more fantastical as well. Or less. < 1362882314 708902 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I only watched one episode of FMA < 1362882324 205688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :damned actor-stealers < 1362882325 280786 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :realistic how < 1362882327 950861 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Uh, only the first two "o"s are long. < 1362882328 145608 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope it was of the 03 and not the 09. < 1362882335 303223 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magika" < 1362882336 444818 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, I don't know < 1362882340 254671 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: you doun't say < 1362882342 946939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's this "farscape" thing is it good < 1362882343 715127 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y < 1362882372 732622 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Realistic in the sense that there aren't very many things that obviously wouldn't have happened if it weren't necessary for the story. < 1362882384 607658 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :realistic/down-to-earth fantasy..? hmm < 1362882385 382664 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :realistic is the wrong word for that < 1362882395 257232 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is probably a right one but i dunno what it is < 1362882395 944970 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a definition. < 1362882398 936046 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :naturalistic maybe < 1362882410 218714 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I dunno what the best word would be. < 1362882420 529674 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should watch Haibane Renmei. (Hauiubauneu Reunmeuiu) < 1362882423 906981 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I watched two episodes of Smallville; it seems to be a good antiexample of what I'm talking about. < 1362882449 139592 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's this "Hauiubauneu Reunmeuiu" thing is it good < 1362882454 660488 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess when I think of "realistic" anime with fantastical elements I think of things like patlabor < 1362882459 219582 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty good < 1362882462 853817 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :A tornado strikes, and four people are almost killed. It just so happens that all four people are major characters in the story. < 1362882468 117658 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's by yoshitoshi abe if you like that guy < 1362882478 826171 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats anime < 1362882486 968672 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who knows < 1362882489 439637 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chinese cartoons. < 1362882500 204429 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clark Kent's space ship takes off and crash lands itself in a corn field. I guess it's designed so that if there's no pilot inside, it just flies randomly. < 1362882503 921076 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, "Commander Kryten" < 1362882504 769290 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1362882509 552070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Anime is short for animation < 1362882512 607770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :crichton, you idiot < 1362882518 96962 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: ah, that makes sense < 1362882519 1320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like michael crichton < 1362882531 266624 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :That little chip thingy is essential to the ship's functioning. So they put it on the exterior of the ship with nothing holding it down. < 1362882532 553575 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: that would be pretty entertaining in the real world, you must admit < 1362882539 69520 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Farscape is a combination of every single SF show ever, isnt it? < 1362882559 67735 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it a combination of Ultraviolet and Aeon whatever too < 1362882569 798555 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is farscape an anime < 1362882570 178392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think so < 1362882572 375540 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Flux apparently < 1362882575 136408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actors from SG-1, a name from Red Dwarf < 1362882580 535005 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's apparently every anime, monqy. < 1362882588 416698 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, is that good or bad < 1362882589 91288 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably would save us all a lot of time to watch it really < 1362882590 16862 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes I know the actors went from Farscape -> SG-1) < 1362882595 532978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still feels weird < 1362882595 683102 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard some weird things about anime < 1362882608 662737 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4things you wouldn't want to tell a child to know < 1362882611 437307 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the name Sgeo is having trouble with is that of the ordinary american human < 1362882630 196774 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that if you call yourself kawaii in a mirror three times it becomes true, horribly true. < 1362882664 302228 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that most anime is made in Japan. < 1362882744 253820 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard it's made by cuttlefish as part of a top-secret experiment to teach them a trade skill < 1362882758 838543 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That would explain Ika Musume < 1362882781 389509 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUwQwtDpdE4 animes < 1362882842 678562 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha Bike do you think we're stupid < 1362882850 949898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows it's vietnamese < 1362882938 106754 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've never seen any Vietnamese TV. Maybe it's good. < 1362884001 176589 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362884131 592436 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will ISE WebPACK run on a VM running CentOS and which is not connected to the internet? < 1362884294 713370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I'll re-watch tomorrow. Kind of annoying trying to watch with TV in background, can't hear what aliens are saying < 1362884325 177928 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362884346 734178 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362884346 922204 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362884580 754315 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, I'm watching Ha-Re. < 1362885844 805114 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362885846 281926 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362885851 881286 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1362885872 328287 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1362886322 204311 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362886440 58074 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362886515 829335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the TOGA computer could be implemented using only two 7400 series ICs. < 1362886544 193943 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This is not including the ROM, RAM, and clock, but those aren't a part of the CPU) < 1362886611 220128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362886862 678685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I like this attitude to impurity < 1362886872 453871 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1362886875 634479 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :racial? < 1362886887 800547 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike: Even worse < 1362886909 307009 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this a red cow thing < 1362887137 192319 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362887137 498761 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362887137 648950 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362887265 179636 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362887467 491969 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362887473 175880 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362887798 109826 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362888072 617647 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Specifically 74175 and 74161 < 1362888281 839006 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you could use a 555 (and a few passive linear components) for the clock, which isn't 7400 series but is carried by the same sort of distributors < 1362888401 725750 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: OK, I suppose it can. < 1362888870 173995 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362889200 588145 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362889796 325147 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1362890370 162685 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362890736 311167 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362890916 250416 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the difference between maru and cola? < 1362891545 2292 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (a -> b) -> (b -> a) -> IORef a -> IORef b < 1362891546 438457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `->' < 1362891555 636750 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :derp < 1362891560 495544 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (a -> b) -> (b -> a) -> IORef a -> IORef b < 1362891561 90561 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude until :: (a -> Bool) -> (a -> a) -> a -> a < 1362891561 304144 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prelude (.) :: (b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c < 1362891561 454333 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Function (.) :: (b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c < 1362892344 673424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IORef isn't Invariant < 1362892413 986713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invariant? < 1362892420 518989 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hackage invariant < 1362892420 869858 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/package/invariant < 1362892509 6870 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there was a way to get notified when an IORef changed, could IORef be made invariant? < 1362892516 442489 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, the hackage page on IO is huge < 1362892524 844008 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that shouldn't really be surprising < 1362892544 564567 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not, but it's still the biggest page i've seen on hackage < 1362892546 622012 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically because anything that interacts with system calls has to be in IO, and there are a lot of system calls < 1362892557 595417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a lot of sugar-around-system-calls, too < 1362892562 912185 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"File and directory names are values of type String, whose precise meaning is operating system dependen" oh boy < 1362892599 223822 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle () < 1362892599 761796 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.FilePath.Windows () :: FilePath -> FilePath -> FilePath < 1362892599 912091 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.FilePath.Posix () :: FilePath -> FilePath -> FilePath < 1362892614 931991 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… Cyrillic is a lot easier to read if your default interpretation of letters is as Greek < 1362892620 394375 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than as English < 1362892626 429146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems to be a lot of inspiration from there < 1362892633 902581 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cyrillic developed out of greek and english developed out of latin < 1362892640 556294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: for aimake2 I invented an OS-independent filename format < 1362892662 400327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: FilePath is broke as hell :( < 1362892687 97556 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for relative paths, it's dir/dir/dir/dir/filename, for absolute paths, it's root/dir/dir/dir/dir/dir/filename, there's a boolean saying whether it's relative or absolute, and any slashes, colons, and backslashes in the components are escaped with backslashes < 1362892697 398883 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, did you look at cola and maru? < 1362892700 377146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(colons are escaped so that colon can be used as an end-of-string marker when embedding them in longer strings) < 1362892701 877558 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no < 1362892708 965030 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cola is a sort of soft drink, isn't it? < 1362892711 869839 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't know what maru is < 1362892715 428396 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cat < 1362892719 138678 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google maru cat < 1362892721 88418 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uDuls5TyNE < 1362892724 738 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perfect < 1362892742 201627 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Cola: http://piumarta.com/software/cola/ < 1362892757 358256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maru: http://piumarta.com/software/maru/ < 1362892776 508376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's sort-of like you're doing that thing zzo38 does where you talk about something out of context, without indications of what it is and why other people should be interested in it < 1362892787 231041 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and tend to not get a response for that reason < 1362892832 359981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, it vaguely reminds me of your motivations for Feather. Cola is supposed to be completely self-describing < 1362892842 940408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"is completely self-describing (from the metal, or even FPGA gates, up) exposing all aspects of its implementation for inspection and incremental modification;" < 1362892857 279172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw i think i'm far enough along in lyah to write a monad tutorial < 1362892932 610898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: that wasn't really the motivation for Feather, directly, or at least it's only half of it < 1362892949 510703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point of Feather is that it has to not require a huge amount of complex structure to accomplish that < 1362892965 228489 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, maru is tiny < 1362892970 387416 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. all the complexity should be added on lata < 1362892976 372239 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like what, a few pages of C and then three of itself? < 1362892978 543910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*later < 1362892989 856979 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, the pages of C disappoint me < 1362893027 178247 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway Another Haskell Question: Why does, say, digitToInt throw an exception instead of return a Maybe Int or what have you? < 1362893064 78150 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, whenever you have questions of that sort, where a different meaning of a function or whatever would make more sense, it's probably "idiotic historical reason" < 1362893073 218696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, maru just looks to me like yet another lisp < 1362893078 428717 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if it isn't lisp < 1362893085 450135 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interest seems to be the fact that it has a self-hosted compiler < 1362893094 962124 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is true of basically every functional language in existence < 1362893099 966660 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I try not to assume sad things. < 1362893123 569263 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even brainfuck has a self-hosted compiler < 1362893133 598527 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus there could be other reasons. < 1362893152 156056 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, should there be an Error monad you can stuff whatever information into? Where would you use that and not Maybe? Bla bla. < 1362893166 153575 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's Either < 1362893181 396897 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, is EitherT possible as a monad transformer, or doesn't it make sense? < 1362893221 48978 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still don't have a good intuitive model of what a monad transformer actually is/does < 1362893291 140350 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A monad transformer makes a new monad from some other monad, by homomorphism, I think, isn't it? < 1362893305 406767 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is EitherT monad transformer, in some package < 1362893328 607684 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, so I guess it does make sense < 1362893339 670688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Maybe is a monad < 1362893345 142305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: EitherT exists, sure < 1362893355 208459 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that answer my question in a way i don't see < 1362893358 103637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh I guess not < 1362893370 575428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: anyway as a common lisper you should be accustomed to things being stupid because people were idiots once < 1362893375 892987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your whole language is an example < 1362893377 746597 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :quite < 1362893402 239486 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah, EitherT makes sense because it's equivalent to (and likely implemented as) manually packing and unpacking an either at every >>= and return < 1362893405 36116 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did lisp kill your parents or something, also < 1362893409 989123 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362893413 576660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you discover my secret < 1362893413 954443 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe can be like Either () < 1362893421 275566 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a doodyheaded orphan < 1362893425 341136 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're truly a scoundrel, sir < 1362893438 700885 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw is it wrong that in OCaml, I use List as Maybe for nicer syntax and better library support? < 1362893450 909708 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong is ocaml < 1362893454 868455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ocaml also killed my parents) < 1362893466 521739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There ought to be Alternative and MonadPlus for Either x, too, if x is Monoid; but, there isn't. < 1362893508 351724 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard that mp4 or is it mp5 is nice? < 1362893516 28689 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or.. whatever the macro-y thing for OCaml is < 1362893520 899495 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp4 < 1362893569 975370 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mp3 < 1362893586 187691 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :camlp4, i guess < 1362893587 650829 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :catchy! < 1362893604 255410 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.podval.org/~sds/ocaml-sucks.html i really shouldn't google things < 1362893656 609877 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should just live in a box, in connecticut. < 1362893660 336424 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read that page once and thought it was silly and went up to the enclosing directory and saw a link to esr's "Anti-Idiotarian Manifesto" and then I decided to ignore everything they say forever < 1362893664 779524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true story! < 1362893676 390023 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice. < 1362893678 161452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well half silly and half obviously dumb things < 1362893682 844484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er as in obviously dumb about ocaml < 1362893685 622351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is because ocaml is dumb) < 1362893687 370378 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw esr came by #lisp the other day < 1362893699 978057 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was convinced to use python instead < 1362893704 982786 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: by #lisp? < 1362893716 827808 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel < 1362893719 116130 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and were they trying to convince him to use lisp, or to not use lisp? < 1362893744 534822 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, he wanted to make some python thingamajig faster and he said something about liking lisp back when he was an undergrad bla bla bla < 1362893780 925120 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Haskell is the Java of functional programming languages, it lives too many levels of abstractions up despite that being technically correct < 1362893780 925306 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Additionally, functions take a fixed number of arguments, so, to multiply three numbers, you have to call Int64.mul twice." < 1362893812 780258 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :varargs are nice, but I wouldn't really use * as a crowning example < 1362893816 439690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would use lift. < 1362893816 752268 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: random FUD nonsense is the IRC statements of ais523? < 1362893817 423594 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and to multiply an arbitrary number of numbers, you use fold < 1362893832 320947 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm just trying to be as inflammatory as you, but I'm not very good at it :( < 1362893835 321180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this "No Polymorphism" section which amounts to "the compiler can't infer rank-2 types" < 1362893843 483018 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well the trick is you just say things suck < 1362893846 485443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people can figure out why for themselves < 1362893862 119128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362893872 973210 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just like the horror i'm hearing in the voice < 1362893877 944600 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to call the function TWICE < 1362893908 555756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in practice it's hard to implement a varargs multiplication that doesn't operate internally via splitting it into separate multiplications < 1362893936 283202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"higher order functions taking higher order functions as arguments": couldn't he just say "third order functions"? < 1362893958 286537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like saying "numbers greater than 1, and by more than 1!" < 1362893968 366331 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :peano haskell < 1362894006 609756 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pattern matching < 1362894006 759974 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is a very powerful tool, should be easily implemented as a Lisp macro using DESTRUCTURING-BIND. < 1362894012 337730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is the most smug lisp weenie page ever < 1362894058 34200 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the things he lists as disadvantages, such as inability to redefine the internals of a module out underneath it, are probably not actually disadvantages < 1362894108 238468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION would consider that a disadvantage... < 1362894126 4293 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't definedly do it in cl anyway `-` < 1362894130 489432 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... hmm, maybe allow modules to define points at which internals are allowed to be redefined? < 1362894171 897337 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps it would be good, to allow modules to define the point at which internals are allowed to be redefined, possibly. < 1362894182 443193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might help a few things, possibly? < 1362894204 548863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, why is "Assembly" written in a fixed-width font? I can sort-of see that for the names of other languages < 1362894212 482366 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "Assembly"? < 1362894217 324221 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just define defineable things you can piggy back your own behavior on, like typeclasses or generics < 1362894217 854624 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consistency? < 1362894222 804568 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362894246 171443 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362894596 412965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, apparently IO (IORef a) is a monad < 1362894657 701075 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to read http://blog.ezyang.com/2011/06/the-iva-monad/ < 1362894852 60036 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But fmap runs I/O actions so it doesn't seem a functor? < 1362894901 481195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, perhaps that is OK, because it only does readIORef and newIORef < 1362894911 971252 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It never writes them, so it is OK, I guess < 1362895009 261567 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362895027 796259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no, I don't think so, since other things could still access the IORef < 1362895071 670094 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to compare them < 1362895098 912316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that fmap id = id doesn't hold because it is a different IORef, so won't be equal < 1362895157 554660 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it isn't a monad < 1362895203 851661 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The value inside the IORef would be the same though < 1362895207 99680 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh... hm < 1362895250 848292 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But other things can still write to IORef and check if one is equal to another < 1362895292 916339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am talking about the "R" monad which they defined) < 1362895911 528112 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { a <- runR r; b <- runR (id <$> r); print (a == b); } won't be equal even if do { a <- runR r; b <- runR r; print (a == b); } is (although that too might be unequal, but it might be equal, too; but the first one is unequal regardless of if the second one is equal or unequal) < 1362895980 172277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there is read-only IORef types, specifically (CoYoneda IORef) < 1362896138 974184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea waht CoYoneda is < 1362896156 450101 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle CoYoneda < 1362896156 618705 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1362896176 241346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good name though < 1362896187 575753 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's just name everything after that guy. < 1362896224 514618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the left Yoneda lemma < 1362896267 806925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Anyway Another Haskell Question: Why does, say, digitToInt throw an exception instead of return a Maybe Int or what have you? <-- digitToInt is mainly intended to use with readInt, which takes a separate function to test whether the digit is in range. < 1362896325 402548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :CoYoneda :: forall f x y. (x -> y) -> f x -> CoYoneda f y; is I think, its definition < 1362896359 258517 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk has called it Yoneda, but he also called the right Yoneda lemma also Yoneda, which causes confusion. < 1362896543 928783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You cannot write to the IORef in CoYoneda IORef because the type which it stores cannot be known. < 1362896574 581250 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1362896623 734254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you can read it by readCoYonedaIORef (CoYoneda x y) = x <$> readIORef y; < 1362896776 519102 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/emmental/ul.emm < 1362896821 983550 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats HackEgo -----### < 1362896840 503791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ping < 1362896854 621371 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-10 06:27:33 URL:http://oerjan.nvg.org/esoteric/emmental/ul.emm [16417/16417] -> "ul.emm" [1] < 1362896856 794495 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1362896861 380299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1362896926 67981 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emmental -f ul.emm -e ((Ho hum)!:aSS)(Ho hum)!:aSS < 1362896927 735953 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :emmental: emmental.hs:42:1-56: Non-exhaustive patterns in function pop < 1362896937 663848 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny guy < 1362896996 129435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1362897037 302398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run emmental -f ul.emm -e '((Ho hum)!:aSS)(Ho hum)!:aSS' < 1362897040 775168 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​((Ho hum)!:aSS)(Ho hum)!:aSS < 1362897045 214165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go! < 1362897182 149855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run emmental -f ul.emm -e '(0)S((0)(1))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^' < 1362897206 998088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a possibility it's too slow for that. < 1362897213 942363 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362897257 603913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run emmental -f ul.emm -e '(0)S((0)('"\n"'))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^' < 1362897288 785829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362897294 611760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmph < 1362897308 384484 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -f ul.emm -e '(0)S((0)('"\n"'))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^' < 1362897309 585471 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-f ul.emm -e (0)S((0)(\n))(~:^:S*a~^~*a*~:^):^ < 1362897319 314004 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's not an actual newline < 1362897394 273707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -f ul.emm -e $(echo '(()(*))(~:^:S*a~^a~!~*~:('; echo '/)S^):^') < 1362897395 944253 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-f ul.emm -e (()(*))(~:^:S*a~^a~!~*~:( /)S^):^ < 1362897407 833674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -f ul.emm -e "$(echo '(()(*))(~:^:S*a~^a~!~*~:('; echo '/)S^):^')" < 1362897409 504084 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-f ul.emm -e (()(*))(~:^:S*a~^a~!~*~:( \ /)S^):^ < 1362897419 150637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run emmental -f ul.emm -e "$(echo '(()(*))(~:^:S*a~^a~!~*~:('; echo '/)S^):^')" < 1362897450 533654 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362897461 552834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run emmental -f ul.emm -e "$(echo '(()(*))(~:^:S*a~^a~!~*~:('; echo '/)S^):^')" | head -5 < 1362897492 860259 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362897499 312273 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it worked on my computer :( < 1362897572 24424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run emmental -f ul.emm -e "$(echo '((y'; echo ')S:^):^')" | head -5 < 1362897603 421011 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362897627 748536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run emmental -f ul.emm -e '(:aSS):aSS' # This worked a moment ago < 1362897631 457954 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​(:aSS):aSS < 1362897673 313173 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run emmental -f ul.emm -e "$(echo '((y'; echo '):*:*:*S')" < 1362897676 908062 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362897682 565212 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf < 1362897688 140171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -f ul.emm -e "$(echo '((y'; echo '):*:*:*S')" < 1362897689 908783 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-f ul.emm -e ((y \ ):*:*:*S < 1362897695 932637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1362897699 802845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -f ul.emm -e "$(echo '(y'; echo '):*:*:*S')" < 1362897701 295514 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​-f ul.emm -e (y \ ):*:*:*S < 1362897708 891260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run emmental -f ul.emm -e "$(echo '(y'; echo '):*:*:*S')" < 1362897712 370925 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y < 1362897719 997015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sheesh < 1362897751 245429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no use trying anything bigger :P < 1362897817 996998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1362897826 118333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello! < 1362897838 324542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my underload implementation in emmental is slow! < 1362897885 963483 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it being too fast < 1362897889 93127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is expected, really - it optimizes for minimal number of instructions and reserved symbols, not speed. < 1362897911 672319 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat ul.emm < 1362897913 672177 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​###1-1111-1#11#1-! \ ###1-1111-1#11##1##1--1--! \ ###1-1111-1 #1#11-11 # ! \ ###1-1111-1 ####1-11-11- #1 ! \ ###1-1111-1 ##1##1--11- #11 ! \ ###1-1111-1 #1#1##1--11- #11##1-1- ! \ ###1-1111-1 #1##1--111 #1##1-- ! \ ###1-1111-1 ###1#11-1-1- #111111 ! \ # \ ###1-1111-1 \ ######1###1###1###1##1###1###1##1 ###1##1####1##1#1##1##1#1 \ ####1## < 1362897922 407046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err < 1362897924 449552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and i suspect the emmental interpreter isn't optimal either.) < 1362897931 513054 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just read some blatantly false documentation on Hackag < 1362897933 504808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hackage < 1362897938 980772 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file bin/emmental < 1362897941 317156 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/emmental: ELF 64-bit LSB executable, x86-64, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.18, not stripped < 1362897958 264694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh "minimal number of instructions" is "minimal number of _different_ instructions". < 1362897958 463633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And by blatantly false I mean it says it returns a True or False when neither is in sight in the type) < 1362897965 658800 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can I see, sgeo? < 1362897968 638693 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's not golfed. < 1362897979 936409 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/IfElse/0.85/doc/html/Control-Monad-IfElse.html < 1362897981 748701 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awhen < 1362897996 787529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`file src/emmental.hs < 1362897998 419606 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :src/emmental.hs: UTF-8 Unicode English text < 1362898006 484901 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: you might try that. < 1362898013 867942 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :these docs seem just kind of bad < 1362898021 210839 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362898037 831669 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also isn't cond just guards or) < 1362898054 977134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a list, duh < 1362898059 51025 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1362898078 836782 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url src/emmental.hs < 1362898082 106376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/src/emmental.hs < 1362898156 272968 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Authored by Ørjan Johansen. < 1362898172 898838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://github.com/mmirman/ImperativeHaskell/blob/master/Main.hs < 1362898250 933670 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://kormacode.blogspot.com/2011/11/c-style-haskell_10.html < 1362898294 367669 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (=<<) < 1362898296 139818 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => (a -> m b) -> m a -> m b < 1362898310 2491 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1362898428 348465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: its flip (>>=) < 1362898495 554778 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: um the Emmental interpreter is cpressey's, i just modified it a little to make it useable on HackEgo. < 1362898511 536934 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes the "..." was the lack of sound of me imagining slapping my forehead. < 1362898530 841611 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/simple-observer/0.0.1/doc/html/src/Control-Observer-Synchronous.html < 1362898533 327406 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but: is there a point to that behind syntactic convenience < 1362898541 801983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it e.g. matches the order of ($), (<$>) < 1362898546 875186 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does this use MVar instead of... TVars or IORefs? < 1362898558 988429 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you may find more at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Emmental#Computability_class < 1362898561 456541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you just going to go through random packages on haskell and ask us why they're wrong all day.... < 1362898564 458531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*hackage < 1362898591 627139 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo could become a masked haskell vigilante < 1362898619 500724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "Haskell program" is a 404 HTH HAND < 1362898629 717529 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a shuriken strikes above my head. "you don't need a lambda there!" it is the Mask < 1362898641 395746 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362898643 967117 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maskell? work with me sgeo < 1362898671 942573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "By the necessities of this kind of Emmental programming, 10 byte values have been reserved for the interpreter's internal use. These are all non-printable control codes." pfft, you should have taken the opportunity to use []<> < 1362898672 928074 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The masked raskell < 1362898704 646114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: try now, i somehow switche Unl and Emm in the filename :P < 1362898711 985242 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*switched < 1362898727 795124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep that works < 1362898734 775635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :has an encoding problem, though < 1362898738 931626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1362898750 901791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : - By Ørjan Johansen, February-March 2013. < 1362898759 180684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly IE manages to guess the right encoding there. < 1362898768 735061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's UTF-8 < 1362898776 259833 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but your server is not transmitting that fat < 1362898777 299537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*fact < 1362898786 314155 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1362898786 476486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and hence it's failing to display the non-ascii utf-8 in my browser) < 1362898787 545699 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not understand OI at all < 1362898807 724275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: lens and a license that actually exists? and type signatures??? the enterprisey age of oerjan begins < 1362898810 54990 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a fantastic name, assuming it's some kind of opposite of IO < 1362898826 817992 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/oi/0.2.1.0/doc/html/Data-OI.html < 1362898837 295615 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and by fantastic i mean laughing for a few minuts straight followed by ramming my head into a wall in pained desperation < 1362898845 332652 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hurts sgeo. it really hurts < 1362898867 836767 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I understand it OI doesn't work. < 1362898886 194537 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Datatype for intermediating interaction: OI has two states (programmer cannot distinguish), non-expressed and exressed. `Non-expressed' indicates that no computation is assigned. In other words, it's value is never denotated by any expression. » is it wrong to judge a library by its docs grammatical errors < 1362898897 177596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i even imported all modules either qualified or with import lists < 1362898899 379868 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(if it is i want to be right. sorry) < 1362898908 252033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(even lens, it was shorter than i feared) < 1362898932 567640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there is Control.Lens.Operators for when you want to import Lens qualified but still use the infix, btw < 1362898972 944469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I view explicit import lists for "standard" packages like base and containers as insanity-inducing. and then add lens to that list to avoid additional insanity. < 1362899068 577664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the thing is that other people view packages missing explicit import lists a insanity-inducing when they break on the slightest upgrade < 1362899085 675087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*as < 1362899115 451969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly i only added the list for lens at the last minute. < 1362899133 114486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well the point is that base etc. are standard. and that the time you spend maintaining those import lists is longer than the time it takes to fix stuff on upgrades, especially when versioned dependencies mitigate the problem. (ghc has policy not to use them for this reason btw) < 1362899145 919787 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then you add lens even though it isn't stable at all because every rule needs an exception :P < 1362899167 218398 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the insanity is when someone _else's_ package breaks and you cannot get hold of them to fix it. < 1362899173 911591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or so i hear. < 1362899182 266202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. so you believe your coding style has an influence on the world :P < 1362899190 305057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah. < 1362899199 915196 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just felt like being enterprisy. < 1362899202 273878 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ey. < 1362899245 692868 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i commented almost everything, added type signatures to just about everything, used the prettyprint module... < 1362899254 172261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and lens. < 1362899272 776208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm proud of you, son < 1362899294 432627 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should there be a book like Real World Haskell, except Enterprise Haskell instead of that thing i just named < 1362899299 718330 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and did a couple of refactorings. < 1362899320 152232 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: should there be something like jazz, but more like a banana < 1362899324 714692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of jazz < 1362899331 542877 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking.... yes < 1362899336 642726 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck bananas, though < 1362899345 259482 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that already exists: free jazz. < 1362900040 242546 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I try to install one simple package, and it feels like it's compiling half of Hackage < 1362900138 641173 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it feel like to compile half of Hackage? < 1362900163 368412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It feels like I should go to sleep instead of waiting up for this thing to finish < 1362900176 840266 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you did lose a whole hour. < 1362900228 703509 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :asjdfhklasjdfhlaksjdfh < 1362900247 89374 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The actual package that I wanted failed to compile because of lack of FlexibleContexts < 1362900674 318675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: FEATURED LANGUAGE BLURB NOW INACCURATE, HTH < 1362900693 158047 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :( damn you) < 1362900900 92186 :Garuda!~Garuda@117.203.225.45 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362900918 829790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: its ais523's job < 1362900927 441161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1362900999 432672 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed < 1362901004 130195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc, it's a wiki, you could fix it yourself :) < 1362901016 722315 :Garuda!~Garuda@117.203.225.45 PART #esoteric :"Leaving..." < 1362901018 939376 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OH < 1362901039 922052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wasn't sure how to formulate, he claims < 1362901095 533975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also people aren't used to just casually editing the main page < 1362901127 147432 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a black hole of templates < 1362901193 624617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip garuda < 1362901207 873462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: for what it's worth, I'd rather they don't get into the habit. because do you remember NSQX. < 1362901232 2430 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's OK if they're oerjan < 1362901238 820337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1362901241 704958 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsqx? < 1362901248 56103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I should just make oerjan an admin. that way he'd be obligated to fix this kind of stuff < 1362901249 935607 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't ask < 1362901251 57832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um... < 1362901252 832107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote NSQX < 1362901257 591971 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362901260 111034 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what. < 1362901260 781136 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1362901261 704308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote NSQX < 1362901262 774641 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastlog < 1362901263 774689 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362901265 873374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I don't think there are any < 1362901268 280095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, what, there was an NSQX quote < 1362901273 104669 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it got penta`quoted < 1362901274 663932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Well.*day < 1362901277 429239 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362901279 148861 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll wait here. < 1362901279 391212 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1362901280 694295 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1362901281 804184 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1362901291 151774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if someone removed it I will slay them < 1362901294 592753 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1362901302 810571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is all your fault for getting people into the habit of deleting quotes hth < 1362901307 311176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: here you go: < 1362901309 760164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/df5488147554 < 1362901310 818738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/9673f347ec4d < 1362901319 160893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first one especially. < 1362901342 992696 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: those don't really get across how NSQX behaved < 1362901344 249158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far he is the only person to have ever evaded a block on the esolang wiki < 1362901352 596281 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not counting spambots? < 1362901358 267556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :those aren't people, ais523 < 1362901363 296519 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and possibly whoever it was who was impersonating lament? < 1362901363 544999 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A very enthusiastic day. < 1362901390 423790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this may also help http://esolangs.org/wiki/User_talk:NSQX < 1362901397 20724 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was kind of boring though did y- oh < 1362901412 943382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pictured: my skill at diplomacy gradually weakening < 1362901420 821306 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw enthusiasm isn't usually a quality that i would ascribe to units of time < 1362901455 232214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh another good nsqx quote (nsquote) < 1362901456 61095 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :This seems like a good idea, and I support it, but I suspect NSQX will manage to mess it up somehow. —Maharba 05:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC) < 1362901466 758323 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsqxote? < 1362901489 231690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don nsqxote < 1362901495 163493 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it's weird seeing you like, write actual sentences < 1362901508 491164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i try to avoid doing it < 1362901512 432403 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the past < 1362901518 527581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, nsqx was less than a year ago < 1362901521 32764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1362901521 728406 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that makes it ok, just don't do it again < 1362901524 13079 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was further back, somehow < 1362901532 682123 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or in another place i can see it, retroactively speaking < 1362901536 779790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should have seen my on-channel outburst when i woke up and the main page was totally fucked and recent changes had like 500 changes by one guy in it < 1362901545 875176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involved a lot of allcaps yelling asking what the fuck is going on < 1362901552 876949 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what nsqx did? < 1362901576 953236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=31480 < 1362901578 721937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nsqx's main page < 1362901586 181103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the template he used got deleted < 1362901596 571126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nonsense_Query_List. < 1362901633 376358 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i've seen sql worse than that. < 1362901654 318252 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you sure about that being nsqx's main page? apart from the formatting error, it looks like the current one < 1362901664 249790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh right he also started botting < 1362901665 136187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:11, 30 March 2012 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . m UniCode ‎ (Wikipedia python library) < 1362901668 255101 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:11, 30 March 2012 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . m UniCode ‎ (Wikipedia python library) < 1362901671 258617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:11, 30 March 2012 (diff | hist) . . (0)‎ . . m UniCode ‎ (Wikipedia python library) < 1362901674 263584 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :14:11, 30 March 2012 (diff | hist) . . (+57)‎ . . m UniCode ‎ (Wikipedia python library) < 1362901678 83769 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes he introduced a formatting error and the "most recent languages" thing < 1362901681 539382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it took him about 50 revisions < 1362901684 268534 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: right < 1362901694 464948 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how did the most recent languages work? manual updating? < 1362901699 621680 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362901702 562734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :templated < 1362901705 732652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :containing his language ofc :P < 1362901709 482049 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ofc < 1362901720 940801 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Special:Newpages is transcludable < 1362901724 965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you might be able to do it that way < 1362901737 612245 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so elliott what's an example of a thing that doesn't fill you with rage? like let's say, an esolang < 1362901742 478795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like underload < 1362901753 226804 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and /// < 1362901759 308267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think /// is my favourite or second-favourite esolang maybe < 1362901775 29969 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, everybody likes underload. < 1362901808 919378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wouldn't like a language whose article's first section describes a specific aspect of the language and then goes on to admit nothing ever implemented it < 1362901821 494335 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :granted < 1362901821 644675 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even i like underload…yikes! < 1362901854 44819 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrifying < 1362901855 919604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also as a rule we like things oerjan has a hard time programming in. < 1362901867 747303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait what < 1362901872 435912 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well for instance, ///. < 1362901881 841599 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a language has to be at least moderately good (or dupdog) for people to seriously try programming it < 1362901886 92806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you found underload a bit too easy so you had to make it terrible and remove 90% of it for it to appeal < 1362901887 178529 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what's the point of the reserved characters? < 1362901892 392887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there isn't one < 1362901900 165706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were meant to be for overload, the language underload is a tarpit of < 1362901900 315822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1362901904 287461 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so you can output unmatched parens, etc < 1362901905 300706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but overload doesn't exist < 1362901911 52204 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is - oh < 1362901913 618955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: err, they don't let you do that < 1362901929 649467 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least not according to [[Underload]] < 1362901929 799545 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I have a few unfinished Overload interps lying around, which may or may not implement the same language < 1362901932 181718 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362901944 678812 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could try to dig them out? < 1362901953 860809 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also isnt underload a tarpit of like, joy < 1362901956 386240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfinished because I never manged to work out Overload's specs < 1362901960 5393 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's a tarpit of Overload < 1362901961 648620 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... i don't remember < 1362901966 716613 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overload has some similarities to Joy, but not that many < 1362901973 279205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i followed the same approach for emmental, btw < 1362901975 257859 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload removed most of the complexity that other languages don't have < 1362901982 298188 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Overload has pointers, for instance < 1362901986 525834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: heh < 1362902005 735 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you like /// btw < 1362902009 733635 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel it's important for people to like /// < 1362902018 133146 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i feel like i should be compiling a fucking #esoteric talmud here < 1362902025 68241 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's just so much history and subtlety < 1362902043 26047 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if you're wondering how pointers work in a concatenative language < 1362902047 945806 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's, umm, interesting < 1362902067 221465 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i wasn't wondering but now i sort of am < 1362902080 59541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :concatenative languages are pointless, duh < 1362902109 172166 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can still have a thing that points it's just that the points themselves are gone! < 1362902121 88477 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fancy < 1362902133 308591 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it also had goto < 1362902141 630446 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um what < 1362902147 807791 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:53:25 monqy: do you like /// btw < 1362902148 45351 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :23:53:29 i feel it's important for people to like /// < 1362902148 507545 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362902160 455343 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it encountered a literal pointer in source code < 1362902163 673617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it interpreted it as a goto < 1362902176 820286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ^ was actually implemented by putting a pointer to the next statement at the end of the top stack element < 1362902184 270106 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then detaching and jumping to that stack element < 1362902194 376220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, ^ wasn't a primitive, you could implement it in the rest of the language < 1362902214 444582 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it is a primitive in Underload) < 1362902220 863636 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: here's the #esoteric history: hey guys remember those good days. no. no we don't. every day before now is complete shit and everyone in the past was awful < 1362902263 274173 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no that's generalized history. what happens is that you go over all the complete shit with a fine toothed comb to find the little nuggets of digested shit and then you compile those into a book and let it rot for like a thousand years or so and then it's canon. < 1362902278 706268 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1362902292 6749 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there used to be more esolang discussion, but the offtopic discussion used to be more awful, too < 1362902300 231207 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowadays we have less esolang discussion, but more interesting offtopic dicussion < 1362903270 986176 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if it is possible for a Verilog simulation to import and export MIDI files? < 1362903318 665359 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't, although at least output seems likely < 1362903329 384898 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: as long as the book says that Bike sucks i'm ok < 1362903330 102781 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it would be easy if you had a preprocessor/postprocessor < 1362903381 818992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_; < 1362903595 55224 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am trying to think of how to do some specific kind of ordering of records having the same primary order (such as a timestamp), such that you can insert stuff before or after or in between any of them, move stuff, delete stuff, while still working. Does SQL even support such things? < 1362903735 658348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: couldn't you just use a secondary ordering as a tiebreak? < 1362903756 932266 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: That is what I thought, but then it isn't "everywhere dense" < 1362903842 463917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL has no surreal number type, fraction type, or accurate real number type. < 1362903901 165836 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362904153 631596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362904156 982492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly a custom collation might work, but I don't know of the speed or size of such things < 1362904348 335173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you think is best? < 1362904393 757384 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362904486 280260 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did not expect this snow < 1362904492 241903 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, can you confirm snow? < 1362904507 734700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :confirmed < 1362904642 959811 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my laptop said it was rainsnowing earlier, but I didn't look out of the window to check < 1362904645 944889 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's now snowing < 1362904650 835511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps I'll see if there's snow on the ground < 1362904677 709657 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :observation results: I can't see snow on the ground < 1362904715 464316 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but you're stupidly far midlands < 1362905017 92365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any better way than what I suggested? It could be made the index of these fields together, and then make a view which orders them and adds fields for before and after, so that you can make insert in between. < 1362905232 434026 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*apparently it's now sunny with clouds < 1362905238 529511 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird typo < 1362905251 65227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PART #esoteric :" fizzie: it makes demons fly out of my window, washing the windows api" < 1362906086 472412 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.202.167.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362906833 161245 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362906867 178450 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362909622 445387 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362909996 658735 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :moin ihr stricher < 1362910070 853962 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wrongchan* < 1362910085 805264 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scusi < 1362910771 772411 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :ja < 1362910785 132337 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :die wenigsten hier sprechen überhaupt Deutsch vermutlich. < 1362910810 131823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : I did not expect this snow <-- is it unusual at this time of year over there? < 1362910812 669992 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ich dachte schon ich wäre der einzige < 1362910825 384630 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mid march? Not unheard of, but yes unusual < 1362910829 143814 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4ea55.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good morning together < 1362910837 899719 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, it is -10 C or so today here, was like +2 a couple of days ago though < 1362910958 785484 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, hm or is "here today" more idiomatic? < 1362910963 68766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "today here"' < 1362910968 289002 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/'$// < 1362910973 986642 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think it would be < 1362910979 640357 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, good to know < 1362912025 801797 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Place%E2%80%93manner%E2%80%93time (and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjective#Adjective_order for adjectives) < 1362912058 685474 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :.oO( senor vorpal kickasso? 9 < 1362912060 23786 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1362912133 847380 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362912223 781256 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you should be ready for random snow at least until may < 1362912492 989362 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, well yes < 1362912503 87037 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why wouldn't you be < 1362912566 482747 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, I read the message the wrong way, I thought you were the one who didn't expect the snow < 1362912594 368409 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, interesting < 1362912612 749585 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, though i have to say, it is really rare in may < 1362912630 23226 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in these parts of Sweden < 1362912635 173174 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not rare up north < 1362913105 299676 :Taneb!~nathan@host-2-99-90-97.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362914230 485629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does vi or vim or emacs have a mode to ring the bell once a specified column is reached? < 1362914402 357760 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hope not < 1362914417 121905 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i accidentally enable it? i do not want the bell < 1362914436 749127 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what type writers had? < 1362914737 603874 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some typewriters had such thing. < 1362914867 522922 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1362915067 370387 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362915900 179080 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362915900 366449 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362915908 190127 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Client Quit < 1362916111 247686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does reactive-banana have filterJust when Data.Maybe has catMaybes < 1362916119 434411 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t filterJust < 1362916121 345302 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `filterJust' < 1362916123 94310 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t catMaybes < 1362916124 838122 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[Maybe a] -> [a] < 1362916169 709513 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :because bananas hate cats and maybes < 1362916233 293056 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :simianMaybes < 1362916331 567776 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :catMaybes also seems that can be written in many ways, such as: catMaybes = (>>= toList); or catMaybes x = do { Just y <- x; [y]; }; or in other ways too, I guess. < 1362916400 431216 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t toList < 1362916402 96639 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `toList' < 1362916402 257900 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1362916402 408206 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `Data.Foldable.toList' (imported from Data.Foldable), < 1362916448 757238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: because it works on Behaviors instead iirc? < 1362916452 238741 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I personally would have written it as a fold, but the monadic version might be better < 1362916471 440993 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Rather than lists? < 1362916506 466938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1362916544 99482 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fair enough < 1362916552 75135 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: You could fold too, but toList is foldable, anyways. < 1362916600 284823 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do (Foldable f) -> f (Maybe a) -> f a < 1362916605 93978 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is more general < 1362916623 19776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ...no you can't. < 1362916629 323573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and Behavior can't be an instance of Foldable) < 1362916644 917077 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh right, you'd need to know the constructor < 1362916678 381817 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Foldable does not imply Functor; Foldable just means it can be converted to a list. < 1362916722 224140 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well you can't do it for Functors < 1362916732 964665 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least not without additional restraints too < 1362916735 582009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, you can't do it for Functors either. < 1362916771 592795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could do it for Alternative. < 1362916824 94884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or for Functor+Plus. < 1362916949 709979 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I don't think so. < 1362916958 538055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could with MonadPlus. < 1362916964 880109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternative is not enough. < 1362916987 903733 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do some and many work anyway < 1362917021 744338 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :catMaybes = (>>= maybe mzero return); < 1362917046 438782 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: badly < 1362917052 766207 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: alt. they don't < 1362917065 310240 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to get bottom for anything but Nothing < 1362917068 992857 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: alt. they only make sense for things like parser combinators < 1362917088 503516 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> do { Just y < x; return x; } < 1362917090 169862 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `m0 a0' with actual type `Bool' < 1362917090 320108 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In a stmt of a 'do' block: Just y < x < 1362917090 320295 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the expression: < 1362917091 231540 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you think of them in terms of applicative parsers they make perfect sense < 1362917097 944787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, some and many can do other things too, but mostly for parsers. < 1362917098 655665 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> do { Just y <- x; return x; } < 1362917100 363339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monad m => m (Maybe t) -> m (m (Maybe t)) < 1362917107 493752 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right < 1362917110 287509 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things too "but not much" < 1362917154 364528 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \x -> do { Just y <- x; return x; } [Just 3] < 1362917156 28486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `[' < 1362917162 87873 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (\x -> do { Just y <- x; return x; } $ [Just 3]) < 1362917163 943137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => ([Maybe a] -> Maybe t) -> [Maybe a] -> Maybe t < 1362917170 874862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you have a instance Alternative IO, then you could automatically stop reading on error, for example. < 1362917219 962483 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Applicative seems to only come with [] and Maybe instances < 1362917240 439742 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any monad on (->) is also applicative, though. < 1362917283 59242 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362917289 786255 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell only does monads on (->) anyway, right? < 1362917378 232798 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1362917417 865969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/4.6.0.1/doc/html/Control-Applicative.html#control.i:Applicative < 1362917431 404355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and all the standard monad transformers etc. are instances < 1362917455 412578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Haskell cannot automatically define the instances, though) < 1362917465 428995 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: What about Alternative? < 1362917490 971180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you meant Alternative < 1362917506 443329 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the docs still list more than that there < 1362917520 821799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ReadP, ReadPrec, STM, arguably: ArrowMonad/WrappedMonad/WrappedArrow) < 1362917559 439419 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :return = pure; >>= = ???????? < 1362917564 771707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other categories though, it is not necessarily the case that all monads are applicative. < 1362917585 468983 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, other way around < 1362917614 701101 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1362917625 97568 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure = return; (<*>) = ap; < 1362917702 478032 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure = return; (<*>) f a = f >>= \f -> return (f a) < 1362917712 320994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I prefer using fmap/pure/liftPair instead of <*> but that can work too; liftPair is workable with any tensor category, though. < 1362917714 946947 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am always tempted to abuse Haskell's scoping < 1362917733 656000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that definition is... not quite right < 1362917752 485108 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh right < 1362917757 951263 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :pure = return; (<*>) f a = f >>= \f -> return (f <$> a) < 1362917766 693614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :still no :P < 1362917770 351883 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn =P < 1362917780 234110 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src ap < 1362917780 802046 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ap = liftM2 id < 1362917791 402406 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"there you have it" < 1362917821 660494 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The return is unnecessary < 1362917834 803418 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered thinking it through < 1362917844 464994 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1362917866 642820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dropping the return doesn't work either < 1362917887 642105 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1362917897 49941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \p q -> p >>= \f -> fmap p q < 1362917898 894347 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b) -> (a -> a) -> a -> b < 1362917900 60994 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1362917901 35621 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t \p q -> p >>= \f -> fmap f q < 1362917902 677264 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Monad m, Functor m) => m (a -> b) -> m a -> m b < 1362917904 758573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right that works. < 1362917908 60582 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :=P < 1362917951 720636 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course liftM2 id is better < 1362918089 393518 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo liftM2 ($) is better than liftM2 id because it makes it more clear even though it's the same thing < 1362918164 616015 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo clarity is overrated < 1362918180 585193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: um liftM2 id is shorter < 1362918231 625443 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2($) < 1362918249 112433 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1362918314 911867 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2$id < 1362918330 297551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :liftM2 is also same as liftA2, specifically because all monads in Haskell are applicative, that it can do that, I think is the reason. < 1362918401 204510 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362918401 700949 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :All categories have monads (at least an identity monad, and if it has final objects, also a Finalize monad). < 1362918406 96760 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are right, except not all monads are applicatives. So, well, you weren't right. < 1362918444 376692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are (in Haskell, not in general), but the instance is not necessarily defined. < 1362918511 189902 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362918539 380356 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A category with final objects has a Finalize monad for each final object of that category, actually. < 1362918572 812232 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f :: Monad m => ((a -> b -> c) -> m a -> m b -> m c) -> d; f = undefined in f liftM2 < 1362918574 620542 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `m0' in the constraint: < 1362918574 770821 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Monad m0) arising from a use of `f' < 1362918574 771014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probable fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1362918590 616383 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f :: Monad m => ((a -> b -> c) -> m a -> m b -> m c) -> d; f _ = undefined in f liftM2 < 1362918592 133752 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `m0' in the constraint: < 1362918592 303843 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Monad m0) arising from a use of `f' < 1362918592 453971 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probable fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1362918631 270147 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f :: (Monad m => (a -> b -> c) -> m a -> m b -> m c) -> d; f _ = undefined in f liftM2 < 1362918632 889317 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :d < 1362918635 28312 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t let f :: (Monad m => (a -> b -> c) -> m a -> m b -> m c) -> d; f _ = undefined in f liftA2 < 1362918636 775571 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `m0' in the constraint: < 1362918636 925836 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Applicative m0) arising from a use of `liftA2' < 1362918636 926015 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Probable fix: add a type signature that fixes these type variable(s) < 1362918976 887330 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362919241 649272 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362919958 245707 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362920935 221837 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362921044 213058 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1362921060 774960 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362921176 526008 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Oerjan "In any case I believe this proves Emmental Turing-complete. However it may happen to do so in a way which I have previously disagreed with Chris Pressey on whether it counts or not. :P " what does that mean? < 1362921176 973351 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362921236 308912 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Oerjan also my attempt to use qdeql was so close, but you didn't use it at all :( < 1362921236 765482 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362921251 163580 :kallisti1!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net NICK :kallisti < 1362921309 54913 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if lambdabot treats nicks case sensitively or not < 1362921382 46314 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you couldn't have wondered that three minutes earlier could you :( < 1362921599 557971 :nooga!~nooga@77-45-54-224.sta.asta-net.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362921986 978515 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wasn't a pertinent question back then < 1362922320 148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Olsner hello < 1362922320 566834 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362922382 54676 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ARC_KOEN I don't even remember if I tried talking to myself yet < 1362922382 676276 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1362922386 438494 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1362922419 130389 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hi < 1362922419 291713 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1362922596 426929 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg it worked ! < 1362923795 680182 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1362923828 235439 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362924172 847104 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1362924622 981572 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1362925048 542121 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Bbl < 1362926657 146802 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362927127 847088 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait... < 1362927134 371384 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ELLIOTT hmm < 1362927134 776798 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362927155 238007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, right < 1362927183 131275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: wait since when are you here < 1362927183 738650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1362927212 667324 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been here for 3 hours... < 1362927223 207685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1362927254 348105 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(HOW THE FUCK IS IT SNOWING IN MARCH) < 1362927301 438920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :magickque < 1362927307 984169 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: basically snow is like rain but when it's cold enough to freeze it'll come down as "snow" instead < 1362927327 113020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does england get all the damn sno < 1362927328 440986 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :w < 1362927360 775124 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362927361 202380 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362927361 352455 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362927428 165677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you've got quite all of it. < 1362927451 222938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Finnish Meteorological Institute says there's a 49 cm snow cover here, for example. < 1362927452 631701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you lump me in with the english < 1362927468 614616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :we haven't had much snow here for a long time, maybe that's the snow that you're getting < 1362927560 61396 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 NICK :carado < 1362927657 473731 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1362928228 352916 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362928262 134324 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362928865 183573 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362930795 746823 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got FreeGame to work < 1362930800 739009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needed a newer version < 1362930944 716096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it bad that I don't entirely understand FlexibleContexts UndecidableInstances etc., and plan on letting GHC tell me if I ever need them? < 1362931101 891909 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Functions of type a->a are monoids, right? < 1362931113 75337 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mempty = id; mappend = . < 1362931114 180223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm < 1362931117 324319 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mappend = (.) < 1362931125 418025 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or would it be flip (.)? < 1362931125 568286 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we call them "Endo" here < 1362931132 888433 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and "Dual Endo" ;) < 1362931138 817245 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1362931142 207794 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Endo a) < 1362931146 206721 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dual (Endo a) < 1362931148 791905 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something like THat < 1362931190 842275 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, yes, but as newtype Endo a = Endo {appEndo :: a -> a} < 1362931207 318839 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because "instance Monoid m => Monoid (a -> m)" exists < 1362931249 615732 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And they'd overlap if you want mempty :: String -> String, for example < 1362931257 347099 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is it id or const ""?) < 1362931339 124191 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :const "" < 1362931341 599423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1362931341 870246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nm < 1362931481 882767 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: const "" is a -> String though < 1362931494 314663 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I'm imaginging how one would write "plugins" for SimpleIRC bots. Each plugin would have a function IrcConfig->IrcConfig that adds its own event handlers to the config < 1362931496 181040 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, and why can't a be String? < 1362931508 718404 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be < 1362931511 964515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be anything < 1362931536 252860 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, const "" is a valid mappend fo String -> String, yeah? < 1362931538 297122 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mempty, rather < 1362931552 833654 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, Endo IrcConfig < 1362931564 565694 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, SimpleIRC still sucks for being not as typesafe as it should be < 1362931619 330075 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only one type of event handler, and every message (except for one) gets the same type of message passed to it, and the types in that record tend to have Maybes < 1362931659 326592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So rather than "Ok, the event handler for this message will always receive XYZ", it's "the event handler for this message must be capable of dealing with parts of the message not being there" < 1362932345 132333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle runMaybeT < 1362932345 696312 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Monad.Trans.Maybe runMaybeT :: MaybeT m a -> m (Maybe a) < 1362932928 967494 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t MaybeT [Nothing, Nothing, Just 1] < 1362932930 656137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: data constructor `MaybeT' < 1362932967 165207 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MaybeT [] Integer < 1362933012 777799 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362933236 770360 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362933252 936310 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t runMaybeT $ do { x <- [3..10]; return x; } < 1362933254 406354 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `runMaybeT' < 1362933417 270472 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I express ap in terms of fmap, return, and join? < 1362933526 409326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :first express (>>=) < 1362933552 353937 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f <*> x = join (fmap (uncurry fmap . flip (,) x) f) < 1362933585 725232 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I can make that nicer... < 1362933614 26696 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i can't < 1362933660 341153 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :join (fmap (flip fmap x) f) < 1362933723 127460 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362933723 530438 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362933723 680527 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362934015 130258 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, Deewiant < 1362934037 644811 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to make a tuple just so that you can uncurry... < 1362934051 5339 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course < 1362934338 168247 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362934587 903437 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362935033 228558 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1362935334 953318 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is very weird:http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15268229/ebnf-whitespacing-in-meta-identifiers/15324944 < 1362935368 6875 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've sort of tried to answer the question. Although I actually find it hard to believe that the standard would have missed something that obvious < 1362935545 568695 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362936205 527660 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Gall-Peters projection makes me uncomfortable < 1362936284 909598 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1362936304 332933 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm just too used to Mercator < 1362936347 209073 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mercator looks better < 1362936553 587147 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Great, I found a bug in iceweasel < 1362937123 582042 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362937167 68897 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362937666 178 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1362937666 149921 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1362937670 463307 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1362937682 834742 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankies < 1362937756 512737 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yw < 1362937773 330477 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot in MSPA that I made is so... early that we sometimes think it's a false alarm when it isn't < 1362937787 467056 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh the pun < 1362937811 886974 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(john: still totally adorkable) < 1362937816 113831 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: I know someone who actually answered an exam question along the lines of "Nuclear power plants work by nuclear fish" < 1362937831 920058 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The options were Nuclear Fission, Nuclear Fusion, and Nuclear Fish < 1362937878 555631 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a debaitable answer < 1362937880 710651 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :were they shore? < 1362937905 40915 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am afraid they were a few kippers short of a shoal < 1362937907 420221 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds pretty outraygeous to me < 1362937950 482231 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Trivia: < 1362937982 414681 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29785 < 1362937999 635960 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1362938004 980172 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, HackEgo. < 1362938050 534189 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, now I shall leave. < 1362938070 509871 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a nuclear fish? < 1362938083 164743 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a joke answer to an easy exam question < 1362938113 609109 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not a fish with glowing eyes and lethal touch? < 1362938157 29968 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-147.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362940729 751060 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1362940746 378017 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362940862 827942 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Client Quit < 1362940876 134275 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362941128 187037 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362941131 627483 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362941169 628464 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 NICK :carado < 1362942758 382480 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : so not a fish with glowing eyes and lethal touch? <-- it could be < 1362943359 600321 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1362944750 886256 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1362945475 620026 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Quit: ragequit < 1362945582 711286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know what the world doesn't need? < 1362945588 668216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harlem shake (gangnam style) < 1362945650 58950 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Harlem shake (gangnam style) (dubstep remix) < 1362945658 553379 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :psy dancing the actual harlem shake would be kinda fun < 1362945826 993233 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I quite like the occasional dubstep < 1362945844 838832 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :burial's pretty nice < 1362945868 13320 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not "into it", but I find it pleasant to listen to < 1362945876 325378 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the same way I enjoy classical music < 1362945942 346810 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Harlem shake (gangnam style) (dubstep remix) <-- oh my god < 1362945954 912466 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Please say it exists < 1362946003 753126 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so < 1362946008 406502 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1362946019 583298 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Saying that, I've never actually heard Harlem Shake < 1362946020 827529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Psy Does the 'Harlem Shake' + Announces 'Gangnam Style' Followup < 1362946020 978011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :PopCrush ‎- 5 hours ago" < 1362946022 888705 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1362946033 393125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm scared to click that link < 1362946033 544117 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gangnam Shake" < 1362946081 528848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, looks like your wish has come true (before you made it?) < 1362946104 320435 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1362946115 154048 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :just google harlem shake gangnam style < 1362946117 312723 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :first hit < 1362946125 669252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not going to click it < 1362946143 547151 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Retroactive wish granting < 1362946159 94583 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish that Czechoslovakia was two countries < 1362946178 680126 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slovakia, and... something like Czechia but that sounds stupid so not that < 1362946401 634612 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1362946406 871358 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with Czech Republic < 1362946419 700118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno, i think "czechia" sounds better < 1362946428 602720 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a much better name than Czechia, FreeFull < 1362946430 159823 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1362946431 414606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the endonym in common use < 1362946433 136413 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Polish, it's just called Czechy < 1362946520 412854 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, "Czech", if an endonym is what I think it is < 1362946578 17248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you are mixing up endonyms and demonyms < 1362946590 62844 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm asking what people in czech republic call the country in their native language < 1362946593 914977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in common use < 1362946628 838134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1362946628 988148 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :czechworld < 1362946652 515549 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Česká republika < 1362946673 118278 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or just Česko < 1362946845 870662 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362946900 810321 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362946918 878653 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362947265 181269 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362948190 253041 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362948475 236258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1362948630 472472 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-147.elisa.ee QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362948714 610143 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-120.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1362949185 230308 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362949311 401678 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aaaaaargh < 1362949400 873855 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362949460 773991 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362949532 201509 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362949629 337290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the universe vs. Taneb: 25-3 < 1362949629 506452 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1362949634 716684 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1362949635 57795 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 7h 54m 19s ago: "In any case I believe this proves Emmental Turing-complete. However it may happen to do so in a way which I have previously disagreed with Chris Pressey on whether it < 1362949635 207961 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :counts or not. :P " what does that mean? < 1362949635 208137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen said 7h 53m 19s ago: also my attempt to use qdeql was so close, but you didn't use it at all :( < 1362949656 963486 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: aww < 1362949662 453333 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing substantially worse than Scott Pilgrim < 1362949726 736320 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, this is Taneb's brain vs Taneb < 1362949782 709101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: chris pressey has quandaries about whether it is TC unless it can do TC computation on data given through the language's official input method - which i don't use at all :P < 1362949795 915136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or that's my impresssion anyway. < 1362949820 539237 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen chris pressey has quandaries about whether it is TC unless it can do TC computation on data given through the language's official input method - which i don't use at all :P < 1362949820 690740 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362949838 56516 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen s/it/a language/ < 1362949838 233852 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362949974 987567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen aww. well you can do an implementation that actually handles input, then. < 1362949975 152566 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362950107 666385 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362950204 896441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen Hey, maybe you can make an implementation that doesn't use the _stack_. or only the top element, that is. < 1362950205 56539 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362950363 141192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Arc_Koen hm wait you need the stack to use ! :( < 1362950363 299293 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1362950484 755050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: we seem to have a persistent spambot who's got around the captcha somehow, I've set abusefilter to recognise its edits and disallow them (no blocks yet); there might theoretically be false positives but we haven't had any all year < 1362950506 867201 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :specifically, it looks for ".
" and a capital letter, but no newlines, in a new user's first edit, and only if it's to a user page < 1362950563 921695 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I had the drive to actually do things < 1362950569 32029 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That'd be cool < 1362950576 130166 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: you too, eh? < 1362950631 894466 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-khshaiulxxlyrpac QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1362950657 558910 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mzfoydicklvnutxs JOIN :#esoteric < 1362950669 214077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is a trivially easy restriction for a spambot author to modify their spambot to get around, but unless they're targetting Esolang specifically they won't < 1362950765 700729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they could use a genetical algorithm to tweak things trivially until they pass, and keep site-specific data without actually doing anything manually. in theory. < 1362950772 688627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*genetic < 1362950804 636 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if they cared that much, they wouldn't use
in the first place. < 1362950990 16996 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362951092 223733 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, you are a criminal mastermind < 1362951103 129408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THANK YOU < 1362951282 442383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How do some and many work anyway < 1362951316 361701 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who knows < 1362951321 447536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some and many only make sense in alternatives where the same action can either succeed or fail at different times. < 1362951357 91823 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Digging up old conversations < 1362951359 122247 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like bones < 1362951360 955885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most simple monads do not have that property. < 1362951373 948107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's called "logreading" < 1362951426 726760 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So they are useless for the Alternative instances that come with Control.Applicative < 1362951428 482407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :State(T) and IO can do it, but neither Maybe, Reader or Writer give that property. < 1362951493 734801 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reader doesn't allow you to modify the values you read, and Writer doesn't allow you to read them < 1362951520 544662 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe doesn't have any "side-values" < 1362951523 590496 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Neither does [] < 1362951620 66485 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PART :#esoteric < 1362951661 758124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runState (many $ do x <- get; guard (x < 10); put (x+1); return x) 0 < 1362951663 68878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (Control.Monad.MonadPlus < 1362951663 226748 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Data.Functor.I... < 1362951686 477306 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1362951731 551483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runStateT (many $ do x <- get; guard (x < 10); put (x+1); lift $ Just x) 0 < 1362951733 22731 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just ([0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9],10) < 1362951737 733552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go < 1362951741 508816 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ^ < 1362951810 545157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :State alone doesn't have the Alternative part. < 1362951865 145751 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this StateT Int Maybe < 1362951877 410507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably Integer, by defaulting < 1362951945 732846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> runStateT (many $ do x <- get; guard (x < 3); put (x+1); lift $ [x]) 0 -- seeing what happens with lists < 1362951947 323084 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [([0,1,2],3),([0,1],2),([0],1),([],0)] < 1362951981 789235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1362952050 986401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> evalStateT (many $ do x <- get; guard (x < 3); put (x+1); lift $ [x]) 0 < 1362952052 649794 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [[0,1,2],[0,1],[0],[]] < 1362952141 135986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, with lists the failure case is _always_ included after the success, so you get an automatic branch at each iteration that doesn't completely fail < 1362952164 194945 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure that could be used for _something_ :P < 1362952197 312836 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly it's in the wrong order to give an infinite list. hm... < 1362952202 699315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Backward < 1362952204 373359 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class `Backward' < 1362952205 882370 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1362952206 31804 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1362952206 689045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Backwards < 1362952208 14035 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class `Backwards' < 1362952213 297532 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, again? < 1362952242 950371 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, I can't watch sound ATM < 1362952257 839512 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I really need to fix my graphics card driver thingy on my computer < 1362952258 17466 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hussie is incredibly silly < 1362952279 10647 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: buuuuuuuut nobody will know that < 1362952279 539693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: You have 5 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1362952288 969951 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t forwards < 1362952290 430707 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `forwards' < 1362952291 348508 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Backwards < 1362952292 735943 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class `Backwards' < 1362952292 940542 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the problem when we just say "I just proved this language is TC" < 1362952312 49597 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats lambdabot for not having Backwards -----### < 1362952312 208378 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :We need a time machine and ask Alan Turing < 1362952319 643088 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Alonzo Church < 1362952325 924059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: :/ < 1362952342 25184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, considering the list to have success/failure is one possible way to look at it, and is a reasonable way to do so in some circumstances. < 1362952345 229946 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1362952345 605956 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 42m 5s ago: chris pressey has quandaries about whether it is TC unless it can do TC computation on data given through the language's official input method - which i don't use at all : < 1362952345 807704 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :P < 1362952345 972931 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 41m 47s ago: s/it/a language/ < 1362952345 973104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 39m 30s ago: aww. well you can do an implementation that actually handles input, then. < 1362952345 973289 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 35m 41s ago: Hey, maybe you can make an implementation that doesn't use the _stack_. or only the top element, that is. < 1362952347 648104 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan said 33m 2s ago: hm wait you need the stack to use ! :( < 1362952370 91418 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I just watched this fun time travel series pilot < 1362952387 307712 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the pilot wasn't a success because they didn't make the series < 1362952406 309032 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do they keep canceling all my favourite time travel series :( < 1362952413 288545 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, what's the music to the update so I can hum it while it's muted? < 1362952431 10427 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, did you hear the time travel Irregular Podcasts? < 1362952435 775107 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1362952442 962435 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm npt really into podcasts < 1362952457 404730 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://irregularwebcomic.net/podcasts/ numbers 14, 17, and 18 < 1362952461 714822 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're more like radio plays < 1362952482 831659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, if it helps, the song is Elevatorstuck < 1362952493 487426 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok I'll listen to them right now < 1362952531 276291 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks < 1362952546 97181 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know deep down I feel no time travel series can be truly realistic < 1362952557 57079 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one goes for silliness < 1362952561 199496 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's like, the elevator music < 1362952565 639692 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because what you could do if you had a time machine is SO HUGE < 1362952582 761639 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, Primer is about as realistic it gets < 1362952587 600797 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so any use of a time machine shown in a series is *nothing* compared to its actual potential < 1362952594 708206 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Primer, hmm < 1362952598 921536 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll look into it < 1362952622 408912 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What a silly Homestuck update < 1362952625 682290 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And goodnight, folks < 1362952626 589887 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362952661 941997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait Backwards won't help for this < 1362952663 90399 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: #14 is really weird < 1362952674 849111 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he's listing all bacteria he knows < 1362952808 778047 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362952993 626716 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362953582 368092 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1362953892 407216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you like this idea of the INI for describing preferred input and so on of NES/Famicom game? http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?p=108450#p108450 < 1362953964 939131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362954017 532132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Is it bad that I don't entirely understand FlexibleContexts UndecidableInstances etc., and plan on letting GHC tell me if I ever need them? < 1362954041 231832 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that if you follow ghc's advice like that, you might end up getting redundant options. < 1362954093 203107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in my last program, it suggested several things before FlexibleInstances, all of which are implied by it < 1362954121 710944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think FlexibleContexts was one) < 1362954664 691897 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run paste Trivia: < 1362954737 770199 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21731 < 1362954760 635845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh he left. < 1362955165 150435 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-120.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1362956048 375874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362956048 976734 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1362956051 975929 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362956052 277863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362957060 555780 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, who wants to buy one ten thousandth of my post-tax income for all time? < 1362957066 306379 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only $750. This is not an offer. < 1362957339 914640 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :on ten thousandth? < 1362957341 89611 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362957343 926158 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1362957426 59347 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long do you intend to be alive? < 1362958162 264242 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362958177 589364 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362958433 431330 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362958441 262509 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362958715 532409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1362958830 230581 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362958851 191532 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362959018 934212 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that translates to more than $7.5 million lifetime earnings = a good deal < 1362959030 169570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems likely, I guess < 1362959033 313206 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :given inflation < 1362959042 59345 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although, you need to take into account alternative investments < 1362959047 632181 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362959050 331620 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D&D multiplication is weird < 1362959056 711376 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there's a potential loophole; if you do the deal with 10 thousand different people < 1362959074 509308 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you get $7.5 million, which is enough to live off, and so never have to make any money at all and so don't have to pay them back < 1362959084 744768 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: think of it as added percentages < 1362959091 345706 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not ×2, it's +100% < 1362959214 996436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O, and that works out identically? < 1362959216 166646 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1362959237 162048 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362959305 174448 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, D&D multiplication does work like that, although the DM which I play with always uses actual multiplication. I too think they write it like that wrongly; in Icosahedral RPG rules they should be written what is meant instead, whether it is x2 or +100% or whatever!! < 1362959528 837271 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dungeons & Dragons, the original roll-playing game. < 1362959675 134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1362959692 413350 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you'd have to make the deals simultaneously though < 1362959699 802070 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Receiving $750 is income < 1362959737 618427 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1362959772 288624 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but you'd still end up with quite a lot, after rounding errors < 1362959777 102193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :around half, I think, maybe a bit more < 1362959793 219171 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362959959 310513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [ x*0.075 | x <- [0..9999] ] < 1362959960 766590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3749624.9999999995 < 1362959992 593294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sum [ x*0.075 | x <- [0..9999] ] / 7500000 < 1362959994 70680 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.49994999999999995 < 1362960007 273626 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a _bit_ < 1362960090 126482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the amount you have to pay back, btw) < 1362960128 168854 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, except it was post-tax < 1362960148 32602 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of tax applies to this < 1362960162 450269 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't the american tax form have a field for "illegal activities" < 1362960179 385150 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1362960183 936517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that < 1362960232 444644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's supposed to be a way to declare those without being caught, since otherwise it would be against the 5th amendment to have to declare them < 1362960237 161908 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1362960286 296883 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was just there so that the government could prosecute you twice < 1362960304 165793 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once for illegal activities; and then for not paying tax on those activities < 1362960336 728087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not what i heard < 1362960438 221415 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1362960973 221857 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it just me, or is Haskell probably a good language for expressing D&D stuff? < 1362961019 468975 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1362961043 107548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :validDruid (Alignment Neural _) = True; validDruid (Alignment -- < 1362961060 439815 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope nobody minds that I paste things I see in here to other people sometimes. < 1362961062 271248 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erk, can't use Neutral as a constructor for both GoodEvilAxis and LawChaosAxis < 1362961063 890131 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apropos of nothing. < 1362961094 167863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also s/Neural/Neutral/ < 1362961128 986875 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I can see that you can't < 1362961134 647793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to try something else < 1362961136 629549 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't fourth ed simplify the alignment system ayway. < 1362961138 285908 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway* < 1362961148 741309 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, in a *stupid* way. < 1362961151 205598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess d20srd isn't 4th ed? < 1362961157 720222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, OOTS is 3.5 < 1362961174 196056 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just got out of a 4e game, knows shit about the rules other than that they're a favored target of grognards < 1362961194 547110 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I am in fact playing a neutral druid. < 1362961196 918196 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION eyes Sgeo  < 1362961204 635289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :NN druid? < 1362961210 682481 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1362961229 661747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1362961234 424977 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, did I say you can't? < 1362961252 928543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just miffed at having to use different words for Neutral < 1362961284 771874 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I just meant because a neutral druid was your example :P < 1362961284 922173 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually you can use the same word for both (in a kind of hackish way) by using GADTs < 1362961287 946347 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you stalking me etc < 1362961330 52541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :data AlignmentOn :: * -> * where Good :: AlignmentOn GoodEvilAxis; Evil :: AlignmentOn GoodEvilAxis; Lawful :: AlignmentOn LawfulChaoticAxis; Chaotic :: AlignMentOn LawfulChaoticAxis; Neutral :: AlignmentOn anyAxis , HTH < 1362961357 239367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :data AlignmentAxis :: * -> * where { Neutral :: forall x. AlignmentAxis x; Good :: AlignmentAxis GoodEvil; Evil :: AlignmentAxis GoodEvil; Lawful :: AlignmentAxis LawChaos; Chaotic :: AlignmentAxis LawChaos; } < 1362961370 10131 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, well, Druids have to be neutral at least on one axis < 1362961376 350647 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took me a bit too long to work that out < 1362961382 597274 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but i am being silly. < 1362961388 570140 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Neutral good, lawful neutral, neutral, chaotic neutral, or neutral evil." is a bit verbose < 1362961389 609357 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unlike the serious Haskell discussion here) < 1362961404 97181 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Alignment = Alignment (AlignmentAxis LawChaos) (AlignmentAxis GoodEvil); < 1362961421 439777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you can call them both Neutral if you want to. < 1362961428 863598 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(alt.: insult of haskell based on comparison to toy morality that is the D&D alignment system) < 1362961591 502182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i am sorry but my evil plans must _not_ be referred to outside this channel. i hope you understand. < 1362961596 288777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now to make Icosahedral alignment, it is the same as 3.5e except that there is also a "creature kind alignment entry", which is a bit more complicated, now either axis can be X for "don't care", and there is also a prefix which can be S (stereotypical), A (always), U (unaligned), or X (don't care). This is more complicated. < 1362961605 966614 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: your what < 1362961618 598278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, not my what. my evil plans. < 1362961624 754737 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth. < 1362961628 413738 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1362961642 785507 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: What about references to the timestamp of the message of your evil plan of the channel? < 1362961662 357998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: dubious. < 1362961752 583845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(S is the most common alignment for intelligent creatures, A is the most common alignment for outsiders, U is the most common alignment for normal animals and simple constructs, and X is the most common alignment for normal humans.) < 1362961811 480478 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Icosahedral RPG is more mathematical than D&D, so probably many more things (but still not everything) can be expressed in Haskell in some ways, too. < 1362961844 384978 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does something being "more mathematical" mean < 1362961912 205538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do *you* think??? < 1362961962 870560 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, I don't know. So I asked. < 1362961979 776980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't entirely know either. < 1362962018 993719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :data AlignmentBias = AlignmentBias AlignmentMode (Maybe (AlignmentAxis LawChaos)) (Maybe (AlignmentAxis GoodEvil)); < 1362962157 762980 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mana = Mana (Color -> Natural); newtype Multimana = Multimana (Mana -> Natural); -- Not a computable representation of multimana, also allows it to be infinite, which it might not supposed to be < 1362962223 302569 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Map Mana Natural) might be a more precise representation < 1362962237 879592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is somewhat surprised that Mark of Justice is an actual spell < 1362962256 551028 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1362962272 133600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made up some spells for Dungeons&Dragons game. < 1362962353 806227 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1362962361 480639 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you are playing a NN druid, can you give the other details of the character? (animal companions, character species, etc) < 1362962494 547461 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In other words, a mana is a multiset of colors (where the "colors" are w,u,b,r,g), and a multimana is a multiset of manas, and forms a semiring. < 1362962511 999289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is what I mean by being "more mathematical". < 1362962657 267936 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362962657 631205 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362962657 797072 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362962657 797106 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362962657 797137 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca QUIT :*.net *.split < 1362962674 157771 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now is it understandable? < 1362963301 533315 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Google: My dad was _not_ talking about a clear pharmacy. < 1362963327 843502 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(He was saying 'call your father') < 1362963550 882682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :your dad... refers to himself in the third person < 1362963552 13166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :formally < 1362963621 111162 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only when leaving a voicemail. < 1362963757 744124 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should start treating my YouTube favorites as more of a queue. Currently it's very stacklike < 1362963769 714270 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I so rarely look at the earliest things I favorited < 1362963969 874144 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I frequently refer to someone I'm talking to in the third person if I think other people might be reading and confused as to who it's addressed at < 1362963992 137622 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like I treat days in the third person (rather than "today") if there might be a delay in the message, or timezone issues < 1362964165 33627 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362964226 156653 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :slightly related, blogs where you have to hunt around to find either the message posting date or the author's name are a pet peeve of mine. < 1362964272 673417 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1362964295 618839 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ALSO PEOPLE QUITTING JUST AS I RESPOND TO THEM < 1362964298 907072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth. < 1362964457 474037 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hate blogs which don't let you page through posts easily < 1362966462 936390 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362966543 342765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O hsc2hs is a thing that's part of the Haskell Platform? < 1362966547 308946 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, maybe... < 1362966602 52647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k Free < 1362966604 15789 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: type constructor or class `Free' < 1362966604 173457 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant `Tree' (imported from Data.Tree) < 1362966613 339765 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure I tried it < 1362966699 546051 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1362966711 258143 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1362967108 501397 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing wrong with using fixIO directly if I understand it better than DoRec, right? < 1362967195 119758 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362967263 569408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362967302 520016 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION ponders the free monad. < 1362967351 223818 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that's trivial to come up with. data FreeM a where FBind :: FreeM a -> (a -> FreeM b) -> FreeM b; FReturn :: a -> FreeM a < 1362967361 226405 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, intrade just shut down < 1362967394 57907 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362967459 668656 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 NICK :carado < 1362967531 71006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the play money one still up/ < 1362967567 67022 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, they say that they're "ceasing trading, settling all open positions, and ceasing all banking transactions". < 1362967581 436922 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, the play money one isn't any of those; it's just a game. < 1362967599 184240 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though the play money one might have been tied to real-money numbers, and those numbers no longer exist. < 1362967602 464983 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1362967641 301871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :intrade.net says the playmoney one has been moved to play.intrade.com, and play.intrade.com is down < 1362967642 821374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the options for monadic recursion are in a bit of a mess, with them just recently deciding to switch which one they're deprecating. so in ghc head DoRec is deprecated, but the other option now includes both the mdo and rec keywords with slightly different meanings. < 1362967645 837535 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The service is not available. Please try again later." < 1362967666 899734 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, that thing I came up with above isn't the free monad, because it isn't a monad. < 1362967678 354530 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm. < 1362967687 927420 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, fixIO uses unsafeInterleaveIO, but I can write the operator I need without it. Should I still use fixIO? < 1362967692 629491 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The interleaving can't hurt, can it? < 1362967721 581985 :kallisti_!~eris@h108.62.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1362967722 621337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: istr there are at least two implementations of free monads on hackage, one i think is free and the other is called operational < 1362967738 7374 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: it's _supposed_ to do the right thing :P < 1362967783 602704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if you are not _actually_ doing value recursion across IO actions, then i suppose you shouldn't really use fixIO either. < 1362967802 196495 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what operator are you trying to write? < 1362967859 922027 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I have a library that has an addEvent function, which returns a Unique. I need that Unique in order to remove the event handler. I want to write a thing that makes an event only run 1 time, so basically it would take an event handler and make it also cancel the event at the end. < 1362967893 639975 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably would have to take the place of addEvent < 1362967923 373304 :kallisti!~eris@h242.58.18.98.dynamic.ip.windstream.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1362967930 960289 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i don't immediately see why that requires any recursion < 1362967955 426507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm right < 1362967967 234064 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need the result of addEvent in the thing I pass to addEvent < 1362967973 925332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want an event to see its own Unique. < 1362967985 26499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't see why that would need unsafeInterleaveIO... I think < 1362968011 79412 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well are you writing addEvent yourself? < 1362968014 157825 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1362968043 257188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's its type? IO () -> IO Unique ? < 1362968086 640210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would think that requires fixIO yes. < 1362968104 720598 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not quite, but along those lines < 1362968142 661321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if its actually type doesn't have something else allowing you to sneak in the Unique, then you still need fixIO. < 1362968179 335049 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not passing in an MVar Unique instead of a Unique? < 1362968181 289459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1362968194 189423 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, if it was addEvent :: (Unique -> IO ()) -> IO Unique, then we wouldn't be having this conversation. :) < 1362968203 214895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, you could do that. < 1362968267 670898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess there isn't really a reason not to use fixIO, is there? And better to avoid writing custom code for a thing < 1362968421 54872 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1362968447 265906 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixIO is probably prettier than MVars, even if it uses mutable vars underneath. < 1362968457 702275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and unsafeInterleaveIO. < 1362971228 927910 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Other thing that continuation monad does is such as http://esolangs.org/wiki/Talk:Bruijndejx does continuation do that in other programming languages too or only in Haskell? < 1362971633 826253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i'm sure you can do it in e.g. scheme although you would have to make the f () equivalent expressions into thunks or the PutZero etc. into macros to avoid the continuations being called early, since scheme is a strict language. < 1362971702 523918 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you give an example? < 1362971737 577987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cont $ \f -> Just (f ()) < 1362971738 798857 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Occurs check: cannot construct the infinite type: a0 = Maybe a0 < 1362971738 949088 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the return type of a call of `f' < 1362971738 949282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : In the first argument of `Just', namely `(f ())' < 1362971756 889650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1362971778 784691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That obviously won't work! What are you trying to make? < 1362971803 155401 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just checking the type of what you wrote in the article < 1362971805 419965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t cont < 1362971806 599962 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> r) -> r) -> Cont r a < 1362971911 604600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The type of what I wrote in the article uses a recursive datatype, so Maybe doesn't work < 1362971925 275407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1362972084 434178 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait now i see the problem < 1362972110 975759 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme doesn't have a direct equivalent to calling the _top_ continuation directly. < 1362972141 51654 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe you need to do something else. < 1362972158 286223 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps delimited continuations could do it. < 1362972221 377928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i don't understand very well, but i recall haskell continuation monads can emulate them < 1362972253 425951 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I know is that the example I have given doesn't use callCC at all, and I'm not sure if it could reasonably be written with callCC. < 1362972374 917610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect not. < 1362972445 972775 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1362972470 242422 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1362972481 234474 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :function < 1362972506 615149 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it's more like coroutines maybe < 1362972692 992948 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, haskell continuation monad is delimited. cont corresponds directly to shift < 1362972703 772281 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1362972715 717838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is? Then that would work, I suppose. < 1362972742 439637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1362972784 199613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Scheme and other programming languages have that, and if so would it function in a same or similar way? < 1362972820 419245 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362972847 337786 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1362972847 487941 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1362972847 488016 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362972984 628769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :scheme doesn't have it built-in, but it can supposedly be implemented using ordinary continuations and a mutable variable - however oleg kiselyov and others have critisized that this doesn't fit well with the rest of the language (because things break when you mix it with certain other things, including other ordinary continuations) < 1362973002 966286 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*criticized < 1362973007 406661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Continuation are usually done with call/cc but I find law of excluded middle continuations are usually more clear to understand to me. < 1362973055 816638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Then would there be better ways to do such thing in Scheme other than continuations, if that would be the case? < 1362973284 330845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :from wikipedia's delimited continuation article: (define (yield x) (shift k (cons x (k (void))))) < 1362973349 852727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming Sgeo's claim that shift = cont, that looks similar to your code in a way < 1362973410 491359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Want me to run some examples of shift/reset on wikipedia? < 1362973411 357006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: well the claim is you need to take _delimited_ continuations as the primitive building block and build the rest of the control structures from those to make it fit together < 1362973427 167651 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let reset = flip runCont < 1362973429 639994 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1362973430 300704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t reset < 1362973431 441599 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> c) -> Cont c a -> c < 1362973439 110085 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1362973442 995211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let reset = flip runCont id < 1362973443 927751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :2:1: < 1362973444 78067 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Multiple declarations of `reset' < 1362973444 78323 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Declared at: ... < 1362973449 880386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@unlet reset < 1362973450 40926 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : TemplateHaskell is not enabled < 1362973454 333973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1362973455 912438 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine < 1362973459 337843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@undefine reset < 1362973466 693330 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let reset = flip runCont id < 1362973468 331984 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1362973472 900561 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@let shift = cont < 1362973473 50573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that scraps _all_ definitions, there is no way to remove a particular one < 1362973474 515928 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Defined. < 1362973477 102880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, oops < 1362973483 627617 :SirCmpwn!~SirCmpwn@unaffiliated/sircmpwn JOIN :#esoteric < 1362973486 78331 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t reset < 1362973487 266814 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont c c -> c < 1362973506 170755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but given that, everyone has to wipe out everything occasionally. < 1362973520 433512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 * (reset (1 + (shift $ \k -> k 5))) < 1362973521 969845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `shift' < 1362973522 121274 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `L.shift', defined a... < 1362973533 220036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh? < 1362973540 816894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit is the housemate knocking on the wall because of my typing... < 1362973555 588998 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 * (reset (1 + (cont $ \k -> k 5))) < 1362973557 195222 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.Cont a0 a0)) < 1362973557 345590 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : aris... < 1362973560 125329 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1362973612 505395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 * (reset $ do { c <- (cont $ \k -> k 5); return (1 + c)}) < 1362973614 525845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12 < 1362973624 604038 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yay"? < 1362973816 110577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t shift < 1362973817 412129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous occurrence `shift' < 1362973817 562331 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : It could refer to either `L.shift', defined at :2:1 < 1362973817 562520 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : or `Data.Bits.shift', < 1362973997 547707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t L.shift < 1362973999 220870 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :((a -> r) -> r) -> Cont r a < 1362974073 449032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 * (reset (1 + (L.shift $ \k -> k 5))) < 1362974075 54894 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Num.Num (Control.Monad.Trans.Cont.Cont a0 a0)) < 1362974075 205027 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : aris... < 1362974155 114867 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's still an issue of shift giving a Cont ... < 1362974164 925708 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there is a thing that enables that style though < 1362974190 229820 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can <$> be used? < 1362974200 714707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1362974203 969149 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cont r is a monad < 1362974207 895760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 2 * (reset ((1 +) <$> (L.shift $ \k -> k 5))) < 1362974209 831589 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 12 < 1362974315 131005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It can also make ContT () IO a -> IO [a] is possible, too. < 1362974363 539849 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't work with ContT on other monads, and it also doesn't work ContT () IO a -> IO a < 1362974821 505314 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if there is a way to convert a list of connections between 74xx components into a Verilog code? < 1362974881 771672 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362975416 42319 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1362975567 718203 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1362975589 467278 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362977147 657029 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1362977157 278777 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362977915 890055 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t asks < 1362977917 186817 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadReader r m => (r -> a) -> m a < 1362977923 788359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, so I'm not hallucinating it < 1362978055 328805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ask (+) 1 2 < 1362978056 792197 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1362978059 677618 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> asks (+) 1 2 < 1362978061 407888 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1362978066 320978 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S SO HARD < 1362978250 706571 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hopefully you can understand what ContT () IO a -> IO [a] is meaning? < 1362978263 877984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would you ever use such a thing in some program, though? < 1362978290 506716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_probably_ not < 1362978602 75474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t ask < 1362978603 812615 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadReader r m => m r < 1362978607 921159 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1362978620 601967 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is (r->) a MonadReader? < 1362978626 198571 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION whistles innocently < 1362978630 551050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :COULD BE < 1362978670 587762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION remembers someone saying that ask and asks are both id < 1362978678 806791 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I thought that was conceptual < 1362978679 640270 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i think one should make an entire langauge based on monads < 1362978726 854934 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAE THINK THAT ($) IS LITERALLY ID? < 1362978741 861086 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HULK SMASH < 1362978810 521711 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let ($) = ask in length $ "foo" < 1362978812 367292 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1362979487 733125 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1362979695 715384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: Make one based on monads on other categories too < 1362979755 396486 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I think Gregor is going to kill me < 1362979762 45116 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I am laughing hysterically at something he introduced me to, and I'm eating. < 1362979836 678162 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kill you by what? The food, which is poisoned or whatever? < 1362979847 844652 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1362979925 699543 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, by making me choke on my food < 1362979935 287972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I'm laughing while eating < 1362979941 807537 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, yes, that too < 1362979947 160654 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot about that. < 1362980015 396939 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky human esophagi < 1362980120 242819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky randall munroe ruining math < 1362980280 56123 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1362980425 422311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Math is ruined? < 1362980448 84522 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least math notation is ruined in today's xkcd < 1362981431 11516 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle usafeCoerce < 1362981431 185475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1362981435 851043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle unsafeCoerce# < 1362981436 53391 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No results found < 1362981449 733714 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsafe.Coerce.unsafeCoerce < 1362981465 136373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle unsafeCoerce < 1362981465 314887 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsafe.Coerce unsafeCoerce :: a -> b < 1362981471 824183 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :speling hleps < 1362981483 92235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :usafeCoerce was how it was spelled in a comment < 1362981492 299969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1362981493 926775 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/packages/archive/base/4.6.0.1/doc/html/src/Unsafe-Coerce.html#unsafeCoerce < 1362981499 511238 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- See Note [Unsafe coerce magic] in basicTypes/MkId < 1362981499 661690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- NB: Do not eta-reduce this definition, else the type checker < 1362981499 661822 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- give usafeCoerce the same (dangerous) type as unsafeCoerce# < 1362981526 627604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then report that mistake < 1362981657 283479 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the question is, how can unsafeCoerce# possibly be more dangerous < 1362981745 841508 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they mean the type is more dangerous < 1362981754 717409 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That still doesn't explain it, though) < 1362981956 106335 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the types listed are the same... < 1362982101 184298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was something like unsafeCoerce# :: forall (a :: ??) (b :: ?). a -> b < 1362982217 536317 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't show any difference when the types are shown without their kinds < 1362982231 121613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (->) < 1362982232 317213 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> * -> * < 1362982262 524513 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they removed those special kinds from -> though... < 1362982307 962263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some functions uses it though, such as function with # < 1362982379 560175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Coyoneda f a can be converted into an f a if f is a Functor? < 1362982393 990332 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes < 1362984301 565933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1362985055 561116 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1362986013 590574 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:Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363020030 884327 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363021232 572328 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363021314 497460 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363021570 347890 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am outstanded at my ability to put papers into a bag < 1363021579 670795 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to clear out my school bag... < 1363021591 12188 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I appear to have broken physics < 1363021649 560143 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :outstanded? < 1363021673 855005 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Outstanded < 1363021683 171939 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was going for astonished < 1363021964 283868 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should try «fasciné». it has a nice, artsy and classy «é». < 1363022006 539276 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, its name is surrounded in those foreign-looking French quotamajigs. < 1363022015 446 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Oooooh» < 1363022017 632300 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Ahhhhh» < 1363022045 635589 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«oh là là». you can't get sexier than that. < 1363022067 544171 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was spelled “ou” or something thereabouts. < 1363022127 707076 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, the keys are right next to each other. < 1363022163 885159 :coppro_!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca NICK :coppro < 1363023858 161137 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363023875 847779 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:hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42f30.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363031701 127646 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle [(a,a)] -> [a] -> [a] < 1363031701 616987 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Random randomRs :: (Random a, RandomGen g) => (a, a) -> g -> [a] < 1363031701 767087 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ix inRange :: Ix a => (a, a) -> a -> Bool < 1363031701 767247 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ix index :: Ix a => (a, a) -> a -> Int < 1363031810 29812 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking there should be a function that takes a list of tuples, and a list of things, and replaces any occurence of something that's a first thing in a tuple with the second thing < 1363031833 362255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a prorgam to connect Verilog programs to MIDI ports and MIDI files? < 1363031835 175948 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hayoo can't find anything like that < 1363031907 140319 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe that would be more efficiently done with a Map < 1363031959 779853 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hoogle isn't giving anything for a map either though < 1363031992 662752 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363032058 977954 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't that be built out of a substitute function < 1363032192 668255 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363032326 474160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : «oh là là». you can't get sexier than that. <-- but you need to combine it with that strange gesture only french (canadian?) people can make, i learned this from guy delisle's pyongyang comic (the north korean animators could never get it right) < 1363032391 857487 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, would at least need an Eq constraint < 1363032392 846985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of weird waving of the hand iirc < 1363032404 67422 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (Eq a) => [(a,a)] -> [a] -> [a] < 1363032404 227374 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Random randomRs :: (Random a, RandomGen g) => (a, a) -> g -> [a] < 1363032404 398747 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ix inRange :: Ix a => (a, a) -> a -> Bool < 1363032404 548610 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Ix index :: Ix a => (a, a) -> a -> Int < 1363032481 926635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :youtube provides: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=syuwyjzyAy4 < 1363032512 357364 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle (Eq a) => [a] -> a -> [a] < 1363032513 78469 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List delete :: Eq a => a -> [a] -> [a] < 1363032513 248860 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Network.CGI.Protocol replace :: Eq a => a -> a -> [a] -> [a] < 1363032513 398896 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.List (\\) :: Eq a => [a] -> [a] -> [a] < 1363032580 23991 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: «oh là là» is mainly from the other side of the Great Puddle. people here don't use that expression that much. < 1363032598 280880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unzip -- Sgeo < 1363032599 743000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[(a, b)] -> ([a], [b]) < 1363032609 256059 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1363032610 152586 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: is it from canadian french? < 1363032613 846039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t lookup < 1363032615 340314 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq a => a -> [(a, b)] -> Maybe b < 1363032626 374955 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it's Freefull who wanted something < 1363032644 213575 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map . (flip lookup) < 1363032645 543280 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq a => [(a, b)] -> [a] -> [Maybe b] < 1363032663 703021 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t filterJust < 1363032665 17924 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not in scope: `filterJust' < 1363032666 881285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t catMaybes . map . (flip lookup) < 1363032668 47238 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[Maybe a0]' < 1363032668 213532 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `[a1] -> [b0]' < 1363032668 363699 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Expected type: (a1 -> b0) -> [Maybe a0] < 1363032672 143443 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1363032681 370600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (catMaybes .) . map . (flip lookup) < 1363032682 553929 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq a1 => [(a1, a)] -> [a1] -> [a] < 1363032682 703904 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to remove the nothings either, do you? < 1363032715 531157 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then he needs a default if he's going to keep the type < 1363032752 971464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (f .) < 1363032754 379388 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Show a, FromExpr b) => f a -> f b < 1363032768 19454 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map . (fromMaybe ?default .) . flip lookup < 1363032769 219438 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(?default::b, Eq a) => [(a, b)] -> [a] -> [b] < 1363032794 407436 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My intuition of (f .) is that it pushes f so that it occurs after an argument, a .. wow I'm being incoherent < 1363032795 576246 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no, from France French. < 1363032812 847436 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? boily < 1363032817 969115 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily is Canadian or something. We are not sure about Canada's existence. < 1363032833 223142 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(just checking which side of the puddle boily means :P) < 1363032839 235141 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need a list of typical noob interjects. Any help? < 1363032844 106965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (((*) .) . (+)) 3 4 < 1363032845 764983 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (a0 -> a0)) < 1363032845 915131 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M24551... < 1363032859 935767 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: however guy delisle himself is canadian... < 1363032860 968488 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1363032876 877015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it may have been work for a french company < 1363032897 526026 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Has the right type but I've been thinking of a function that doesn't drop things that don't match < 1363032903 521038 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1363032925 474408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, so, if it's found you want the match, if not found you want the original? < 1363032931 7402 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't know who he is. let me wikipedia him... < 1363032991 657625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh so you really _do_ want it to be b = a. < 1363032995 451108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... < 1363033032 322811 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: oh, you're from the other side of the puddle so when you say the other side of the puddle it's the other other side? < 1363033050 712195 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle subst < 1363033051 102805 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString breakSubstring :: ByteString -> ByteString -> (ByteString, ByteString) < 1363033051 290481 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString.Char8 breakSubstring :: ByteString -> ByteString -> (ByteString, ByteString) < 1363033051 440660 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.ByteString findSubstring :: ByteString -> ByteString -> Maybe Int < 1363033053 904140 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tch < 1363033063 708086 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data SideOfPuddle = ThisSide | OtherSide < 1363033071 941540 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363033084 301401 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Other side < 1363033091 488129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map . (\dict a -> fromMaybe a $ lookup a dict) < 1363033092 996553 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq b => [(b, b)] -> [b] -> [b] < 1363033110 200480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ^ that one? < 1363033116 778947 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: there are some people here from the same puddleside as me, IIRC. but I can't remember who they are. < 1363033143 674605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map . flip (\a -> fromMaybe a . lookup a) < 1363033145 16977 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq a => [(a, a)] -> [a] -> [a] < 1363033199 618776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t map . flip ((.) <$> fromMaybe <*> lookup) < 1363033201 11751 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eq b => [(b, b)] -> [b] -> [b] < 1363033230 923680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last one is probably overdoing pointlessness) < 1363033356 102404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: filterJust is a synonym for catMaybes which i just yesterday learned is in reactive-banana for some reason, don't know where else. but catMaybes should be more official. < 1363033405 655605 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I need a list of typical noob interjects. Any help? <-- what is a noob interject? < 1363033466 202732 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: zzo38 is also canadian, this surprises some people. < 1363033481 830963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :not french canadian though afair < 1363033493 689189 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, I am surprised. < 1363033526 922416 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.50.217 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363033530 715014 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a noob interject is a function that is defined for each noob. < 1363033550 41531 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha. wat. < 1363033581 611148 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363033590 565241 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle catMaybes < 1363033590 754205 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Maybe catMaybes :: [Maybe a] -> [a] < 1363033601 832811 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: an interject that a "noob" would typically use < 1363033617 254205 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :with noob I mean someone is new to IRC < 1363033624 282799 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ne1 < 1363033629 936391 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so an IRC noob really) < 1363033636 729650 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said ne1 a lot back in 2001 < 1363033639 933581 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: but presumably not new to youtube, facebook < 1363033641 615995 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Looks good < 1363033643 964017 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc. < 1363033649 493250 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess that's not an interject < 1363033651 158483 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, just IRC < 1363033654 632303 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363033693 295355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: anyone using @nick instead of nick: to address people. lambdabot really helps people get over that fast. :P < 1363033703 778777 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes < 1363033705 617297 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need that < 1363033744 557907 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@oerjan didn't know about that one. people really do that? < 1363033744 718570 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1363033766 51386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: it has happened several times. it's standard twitter idiom, of course. < 1363033797 908158 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(afaiu, i don't have a twitter account.) < 1363033841 926902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i assume twitter even notifies the addressee, but don't really know.) < 1363033864 553988 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I check if I drunkenly created an account, just to be sure I still don't have any. < 1363033878 174920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1363033897 374144 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363033897 634858 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :→? < 1363033967 335159 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363034065 569473 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363034119 241127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can some INTERCAL programs be compiled into Verilog programs? There is INTERCAL into C compiler, but is there INTERCAL into Verilog, VHDL, and INTERCAL into 6502 machine codes? < 1363034133 808319 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363034426 108927 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you ever gotten an answer to your random, out-of-the-blue questions like this one? < 1363034451 613164 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes, if people actually know the answer. < 1363034478 510455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which is sometimes difficult) < 1363034527 844553 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1363034597 501052 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363034606 63681 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363034834 688753 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1363035659 431340 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : →? <- "->" is an #esoteric interject which i use roughly equivalently to "afk". i think oklopol started it. < 1363035723 862035 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* <-- < 1363035754 24180 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i expect that question in particular will be more useful to ask when ais523 is here. < 1363035795 984192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing as he is both a C-INTERCAL maintainer and a hardware compilation expert < 1363035878 466416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OK < 1363035945 679357 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I thought it was spelled “ou” or something thereabouts. <-- google seems to insist on "oh", even when i use "o" < 1363036114 255939 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1363036212 937289 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1363036265 619323 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have an interview! < 1363036268 958226 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With Cablevision! < 1363036289 557395 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's on the same day as the internship that I don't care about anymore though, so don't know how that's going to work out :/ < 1363036333 750925 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :next up: Sgeo learns time management skills < 1363036341 200408 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(then he has to teach them to me) < 1363036363 447462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crap. < 1363036372 937603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I flat out do not see a way to get from one to the other in time. < 1363036420 533927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i think the trick is supposed to be to check these things _before_ making the appointment. < 1363036532 829198 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suggested Thursday or Friday to the Cablevision person, but the person said Wednesday < 1363036535 988376 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember that time you said "tomorrow would be fine" and then realized you had no idea what you just said and got yourself into < 1363036539 383069 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1363036669 865880 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect that telling people "i'm sorry, i have another appointment that day" should in theory make a _positive_ impression, since it tells the other person you actually _have_ a slight amount of time management skills. < 1363036701 886224 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it too late to call the person and say that? < 1363036723 379892 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I reschedule the other appointment? < 1363036723 564076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but i suspect it is too late to make a good impression while doing it < 1363036725 33399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know < 1363036822 814222 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny this comes up the day before i have my yearly dentist checkup appointment, and my sleeping schedule is so bad it will be _hell_ to get to it. < 1363036822 963985 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I need a backbone. < 1363036848 723413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and my sleeping schedule is not predictable enough to reschedule things < 1363036902 978030 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like dentists. I tend to fall asleep on their chairs. < 1363036939 640122 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't you just set an alarm < 1363036946 970453 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't usually fall asleep at the dentist's, but tomorrow _could_ be an exception. < 1363036972 36277 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, reminder: Don't drive while tired. < 1363036974 571221 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um the most promising method will be to force myself to stay up until the appointment. < 1363036985 187283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your schedule is fucked up man < 1363036985 478801 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i don't drive at all these days. < 1363036990 206756 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :straight fucked < 1363036995 903943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes it is. < 1363037008 249487 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the appointment is at 2 PM) < 1363037014 393560 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@_@ < 1363037025 805133 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@localtime oerjan < 1363037026 793203 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Local time for oerjan is Mon Mar 11 22:23:46 2013 < 1363037029 349073 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: the best beverage to keep you awake I know is yerba mate infused with black coffee instead of hot water. < 1363037038 235288 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only use that as a last resort. < 1363037050 577988 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, because of sleep issues, or other reasons? < 1363037054 827026 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(about not driving) < 1363037062 544214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have coffee, although i _should_ be able to force myself to a cafeteria. < 1363037074 349400 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363037082 604921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no, that's because i don't have the self confidence to drive, also no car. < 1363037087 5887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1363037102 976713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HATE TALKING ON THE PHONE SO MUCH < 1363037116 165130 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel so restricted from checking stuff while on the phone < 1363037132 528721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's because this phone is so broken I have to actually hold it up to my mouth and wear headphones < 1363037137 611438 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man remember when phones were for talking < 1363037139 890653 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was so weird! < 1363037149 46017 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more comfortable when I use my computer as a phone < 1363037164 420627 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can actually multitask like that < 1363037174 573597 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you then use your phone as a computer < 1363037221 477172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://media.tumblr.com/2c38ccac77eabfb694a3d4299f7682e5/tumblr_inline_mjereimmXg1qz4rgp.jpg < 1363037283 168902 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. I want one. < 1363037401 997533 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: n'oubliez pas, la banane est un fruit nocturne. < 1363037477 863508 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, I've been talking to a recruiter, so they have a vested interest in making sure I get the job < 1363037481 389525 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is this good to say? < 1363037482 874039 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Are there no other days that would work well? I had scheduled an interview for an internship that day, but initially thought that I could do both on the same day. That looks impossible now though. The Cablevision opportunity is more important to me, so I could try to reschedule the other thing." < 1363037662 607579 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sent < 1363037841 848007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dad's saying I shouldn't have sent that < 1363037885 696369 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1363037894 664006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well why didn't you ask him _first_, then. < 1363037909 401304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just came home < 1363037914 573076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1363037922 286359 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad karma. < 1363038798 998423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so was the plan for your father to stop ruling your life after you graduate, or < 1363039006 273801 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it helps that the Cablevision person is a recruiter, so if I make a bit of a bad impression, it's with him and not with Cablevision < 1363039036 930768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Presumably he still wants to make money) < 1363039862 854689 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you not use phones for talking? < 1363039885 767316 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to use my PC for talking and my phone for browsing Reddit. < 1363039890 513333 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :People still use phones for talking? < 1363039895 988222 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right yeah, there's Skype isn't there < 1363039901 285763 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, hey c'mon now that's not overly controlling < 1363039958 599538 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363039966 645131 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have a microphone on your PC? < 1363039981 753938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: true! history shows Sgeo's father will limit himself to a reasonable amount of controlling, after all < 1363040008 931606 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sgeo a rogue robot maid built by his father < 1363040013 265859 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1363040024 300614 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep your fetishes out of this Bike < 1363040038 869538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/et// < 1363040090 290335 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep your fishes out of this Bike? < 1363040104 139808 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is now talking to himself about his fish fetish. < 1363040107 57765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, keep your fishes out of this, too, not only your fetishes < 1363040114 82055 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1363040116 684325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will do that. < 1363040134 921529 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Bike a fish < 1363040184 637852 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, everyone knows a fish doesn't need a bike < 1363040236 399160 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it has a fetish for them < 1363041076 938597 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1363041081 248017 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363041124 133543 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think bikes are a lure commonly used by fish when they fish < 1363041172 670442 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I really messed up :( < 1363041221 983451 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I would mention interviews for other jobs to the person interviewing me < 1363041296 246554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Technically, I only mentioned it to a recruiter < 1363041302 725488 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're using that other interview to sell yourself... "hey, I'd be happy to take a course in your school, but can we do the interview another day? on that date I already have an interview with the MIT" < 1363041336 909919 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't the recruiter the guy who interviews you? < 1363041341 952241 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that an interviewer < 1363041365 486095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The recruiter is a person independent of the company that gets paid when they get someone into a job < 1363041378 358061 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooooooooh ok < 1363041402 113687 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do that with restaurants < 1363041420 671737 :clog_!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Quit: ^C < 1363041430 102186 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1363041432 372092 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1363041433 68432 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes I can get free meals by having friends over < 1363041506 667298 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating for free makes sets me in a good mood, so I want to come to that place again, so I bring new friends < 1363041511 427412 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a vicious loop < 1363041535 996120 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not careful you might end up never paying again < 1363041568 681482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the recruiter has no reason to communicate my time management issues to Cablevision, right? < 1363041600 472461 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :except casual coffee talk < 1363041617 893592 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1363041651 558650 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, casual talk near the coffee machine during the coffee break < 1363041668 227675 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey, how's the recruitment going" "well, I had to reschedule" "oh, why?" < 1363041737 389448 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but since he'll be paid if you get the job, it's probably in his best interests to give them a good impression about you, right? < 1363041792 398721 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Cablevision opportunity is more important to me, so I could try to reschedule the other thing." will make you sound weak, though < 1363041820 745564 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or very interested depending on the circumnstances, I guess < 1363041833 99420 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What would robot Jenny do?" < 1363041942 32717 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the obvious criticism "so why didn't you try to reschedule that _first_?" < 1363041945 971124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+is < 1363042008 61754 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does cablevision have anything to do with eurovision < 1363042038 395561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems unlikely. < 1363042104 408475 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.33.35 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363042104 566130 :sebbu!~sebbu@83.194.33.35 QUIT :Changing host < 1363042104 566283 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363042112 452987 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1363042983 453641 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363043134 647459 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: eat < 1363043782 536566 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363043794 88807 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363043853 303437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Criticisms of basic income are only possible when conflating it with minimum/guaranteed income, and criticizing that instead." < 1363043860 579702 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not POVed at all, Wikipedia. < 1363043863 120357 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blah < 1363044122 80202 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Basic_income&action=history < 1363044185 852183 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how totally normal huh < 1363044221 314647 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I think Shalizi mentioned this though. < 1363045038 542779 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363045647 88441 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I fear that I may have screwed myself over so badly :( < 1363045880 581559 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1363046054 470690 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363046908 378724 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363046932 53591 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363047404 110185 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363047608 428788 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363047810 43512 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363050445 46325 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.202.167.stat.volia.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363050446 764337 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: hey stop torturing yourself < 1363050451 931536 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just wait for an answer < 1363050463 165640 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.202.167.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363050467 494459 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got an email from the recruiter < 1363050475 615273 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what did it say < 1363050483 426041 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'I will check. I'm not sure. What time is your internship interview?' < 1363050560 414740 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that sounds good < 1363050604 862129 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in those three sentences make you think you've screwed yourself over? < 1363050702 251355 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part where I received the email after saying that I feel like I screwed myself over. < 1363050812 193269 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363050897 793693 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363050937 354541 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363050938 176309 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363052297 794774 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1363052634 932719 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was playing Dungeons&Dragons game today. < 1363052649 241456 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't quite advance experience level just yet < 1363052655 944086 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363053188 49928 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forget. zzo38, do you read OOTS? < 1363053374 269782 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1363053390 392986 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read books, mostly < 1363053478 178457 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did manage to find the stuff that they took, along with various other things, so we took back our stuff and left everything else there, and then teleport away, twice, which helps. They had some magic alarm in there but I managed to turn it off < 1363053525 692028 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But first I want to see if it has a resonant frequency; maybe that can be used. < 1363055173 667239 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363055782 737184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't wait to be able to eat! < 1363055891 919754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your mouth currently glued together < 1363055904 698456 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363055993 184267 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc it's mostly tape < 1363056002 225452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm being slightly poetic >.>. Just waiting for food to cook. < 1363056010 332958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, for water to boil, after which food will be cooking. < 1363056586 69534 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle the < 1363056586 258778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GHC.Exts the :: Eq a => [a] -> a < 1363056586 408565 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.XHtml.Strict thead :: Html -> Html < 1363056586 408673 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text.XHtml.Frameset thead :: Html -> Html < 1363056590 200917 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1363056595 263898 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> the [1,2,3] < 1363056596 783811 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `the' < 1363056633 992873 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> GHC.Exts.the [3,4,5] < 1363056636 58537 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `GHC.Exts.the' < 1363056641 708096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1363056679 764144 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363056769 80498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the element of the list if they're all equal < 1363056770 690742 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise an error < 1363056801 376992 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1363056818 657549 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363056854 794198 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why frown < 1363056907 891938 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :errors are ugly < 1363056913 395171 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't seem like something that needs to be in GHC.Exts ... < 1363056927 55759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's used by one of the sugars < 1363056934 150134 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think "SQL-like" extended list comprehensions < 1363059166 390121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a friend of mine is thinking of buying a house in EPA! < 1363059181 298685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says the crime rate is a lot lower than it used to be < 1363059189 394496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :school districts are still bad but he isn't planning to have kids < 1363059365 160920 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he also says the violence is mostly criminals killing each other < 1363059390 442667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the kind of statement that makes me uncomfortable in a social sense, but is probably ok as part of the personal calculation on where to buy a house < 1363059677 977601 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1363060191 705644 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If criminals want to kill each other, well, that is why they are criminals. Just hope they don't kill the other people who are not the criminals that are killing each other all the time. If they are ciminal then hopefully the police catch them and take them to jail, and then kill each other while they are in there (as long as they don't kill the "small" criminals) it makes the police work less job! There is good and bad to good and bad things too. < 1363060243 726658 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, wow dude. < 1363060285 875578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is why criminals should only kill each other while in jail. Outside of jail, they should be prevented to do so and should get caught by police instead. < 1363060340 183575 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if you want to buy a house, that isn't the point. < 1363060346 825250 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and in jail, it should be an arena < 1363060348 509001 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :with cameras < 1363060352 475545 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :and entertainment < 1363060361 633799 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact, let's make it an island < 1363060362 289975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Yes; security cameras. < 1363060381 523346 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, the cameras safeguard security and peace < 1363060392 392318 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the populace will watch the games and will be peaceful < 1363060414 692781 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: No, I mean an ordinary jail, not an island. < 1363060422 139773 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, but I don't < 1363060445 16174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point to buying a house is: how much it cost, how much you are nearby what you need to go to, how many rooms the house have, and so on. < 1363060478 505885 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In a very different universe where every point in space were independent from all others, white noise images would be common place." < 1363060481 666292 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you wouldn't care if your house was right next to a slaughterhouse? < 1363060499 551407 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: How much noise does a slaughterhouse make? < 1363060515 302337 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: lots, constant squeals of pain and death and fear < 1363060517 952568 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, that would probably violate zoning restrictions. though i live next to a butcher and it's quite tolerable < 1363060523 622694 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: O, do you mean the white noise universe? < 1363060534 46026 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a white noise universe? < 1363060542 135091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: Then I suppose if there is a lot of noise I wouldn't want to live there too much. < 1363060581 514279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you zzo38 < 1363060591 278613 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thzo38? < 1363060598 112999 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda hard to pronounce. < 1363060644 791975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people get around zoning restrictions that are put in place after the house is already built, by jacking the roof up several metres and then change the basement, change each part individually until you made an entirely new house, which still violates the zoning rule but is considered OK because you just changed the old house, rather than making the new one. < 1363060660 889461 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1363061650 395386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that leap seconds should be mentioned on Snopes. < 1363061679 304045 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are some minutes with 61 seconds" totally sounds like a silly idea of the type that Snopes would debunk < 1363061703 198925 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time suxxx < 1363061889 671633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :At what time does the pope start? < 1363061932 325868 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, has the conclave finished? < 1363062057 31408 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hasn't started < 1363062103 53387 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mass begins in 4 hours, and after that the conclave will begin with a single round of voting < 1363062109 806313 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then 4 per day until there is a winner < 1363062223 692901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you know they had February 30 in Sweden in 1712 < 1363062293 1691 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, i guess that answers zzo38's question < 1363062308 435336 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363062318 90796 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :related: did you know that between popes, the vatican insignia include a striped umbrella < 1363062324 161973 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sede_vacante.svg < 1363062468 323091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :america's next top pope < 1363062500 286418 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh, wasn't benny unpopular with the americans? < 1363062517 164666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't know much about popes tbh < 1363062527 624368 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was unpopular with me and all my friends but... < 1363062573 900724 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm mostly thinking of Beaton's comics about John Paul II, not that she's American < 1363062822 416736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's more that JPII was unusually popular < 1363062878 475350 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363062900 574909 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As part of his special emphasis on the universal call to holiness, he beatified 1,340 people and canonised 483 saints, more than the combined tally of his predecessors during the preceding five centuries" dang < 1363062960 626172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's more than a full calendar's worth of saints < 1363062980 943502 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never been clear on how saint days work anyway < 1363063009 412891 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if during the eleventh century or so some guy was like "uh, guys? we have a thousand years worth of saints here, how can we have so many feast days if you keep canonizing people" < 1363063067 233146 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363063197 819229 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363063601 869523 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363064409 377055 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They could make one day with many saints, I suppose, if they need to. < 1363064435 874688 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including fictitious saints, if they want to, but usually they have removed them from the calendar in those cases. < 1363064615 312902 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(such as Filumena) < 1363065024 598638 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However: The removal of an individual from the calendar does not necessarily indicate that he or she is not a saint. < 1363065668 106343 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it is not really known if Filumena existed or not; there is evidence both ways.) < 1363065763 121639 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia's just showing me a 1946 play... < 1363065822 432552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just thought of a real-world use case for newLIsp :/ < 1363065879 976042 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: What such use? < 1363065881 340059 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or partly anyway -- I think Smalltalk could do it too, but then maybe macros are also useful < 1363065905 442452 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suppose you want a continuation-based web server that can serialize the continuations < 1363065921 884067 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good supposition < 1363065922 231114 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :newLisp can easily serialize any part of its state, if I understand correctly. < 1363065936 133050 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-53.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363065968 124873 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it needs to scale up a lot and storing the continuations so storing all the continuations in memory isn't feasible, or something) < 1363068010 77969 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1363068010 266220 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey < 1363068031 761016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hay you! < 1363068040 427152 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey guys < 1363068050 283335 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, what is it, please? < 1363068054 153181 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Cutay < 1363068060 711020 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09Cu02tay:14 Welc08ome to the inte07rnational hub for05 esoteric 05programm09in11g 07langu11age d14esign and d13epl10oyment! 14For more02 03infor08matio09n, check out our02 wi10ki:03 htt10p://esolangs.or06g/wiki/Main_Page. (For 14the ot12her 04kind of esoterica, t02ry #esot02eric on ir07c.dal.net.) < 1363068064 421248 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up < 1363068083 109908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cutay: The ceiling is up, and the light is up, and the sky is up. < 1363068100 425221 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. That's not what I ment < 1363068106 426694 :Cutay!ldjwtf@app5.chatmosphere.org PART :#esoteric < 1363068116 743523 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haaaaa. < 1363068150 835542 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The z axis is up. < 1363068168 128011 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :y, surely < 1363068177 709751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GPS satellites are up! < 1363068206 399176 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compared to me most of them are probably pretty far to the left or something. < 1363068229 99678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What axis you want to be up, depends on your coordinate system < 1363068257 233187 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can I plot the GPS satellites on the horoscope? < 1363068281 896615 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't they geosynchronous? < 1363068286 704760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they're orbits are close to ecliptic... < 1363068293 702020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: not afair < 1363068312 965643 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*their < 1363068317 833616 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*the ecliptic < 1363068354 895847 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't have to be close to the ecliptic, to know their ecliptic longitude < 1363068369 781788 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also want to plot the GPS satellites on the map of the world (giving their hour angle and declination) < 1363068434 888383 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they're not geosynchronyous they must have to keep track of where they are in their orbits, hm < 1363068533 320391 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The map of the world showing the hour angle and declination of the objects, together with their rising/setting/midheaven/nadir lines, are sometimes called "astro-graph" or "astro-map". < 1363068548 204271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think geosynchronous orbits would be _awful_ for triangulating - they're all in the same circle < 1363068563 951989 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are GPS satellites geosynchronous? < 1363068570 555319 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't you just have them in different positions? < 1363068577 104255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, that's what i'm pointing out < 1363068581 81525 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd have one over New York and one over Mexico City or whatever < 1363068600 447472 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: _all_ geosynchronous orbits are 20000 km over the equator < 1363068606 636998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or thereabouts < 1363068609 597253 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363068613 379343 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1363068625 219030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's... pretty obvious, isn't it < 1363068629 505875 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363068635 498909 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can't use geosynchronous orbits for triangulation, then it would be the idea that if you have satellites that need triangulation, remember to don't make them geosynchronous, please. < 1363068643 832338 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will do. < 1363068683 605850 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If they are over the equator, then I think their declination will be zero. What are their right ascension? < 1363068696 746363 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Furthermore, what is their hour angle? < 1363068699 66870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another thing - if you were close to the equator and they were all over it, then even with perfect conditions you wouldn't be able to distinguish south of equator from north of equator < 1363068720 913559 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363068725 759810 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :by symmetry it would give the same signal times < 1363068741 569875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get it, i get it >_< < 1363068747 58657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1363068748 55209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOD < 1363068750 973366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This makes sense. < 1363068771 65163 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't launch a geolocation satellite network into orbits above the equator, i swear < 1363068774 739220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pinky promise < 1363068785 174218 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1363068785 992720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they cannot be. although i _do_ recall that the russian GLONASS satellites supposedly have better covering over the poles. < 1363068990 68501 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still I would like to plot these artificial objects in horoscopes and astromaps, and for objects with cameras, including the camera too. < 1363069005 36898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know of any software that will do such things. < 1363069032 606442 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no software to track the positions of artificial satellites? < 1363069055 642655 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There probably are, but not to create charts like I described. < 1363069060 247065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...eh, I don't know much astrology, but don't they move relatively kinda fast for astrology anyway? Planets are bad enough. < 1363069062 994696 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How GPS does it is the satellites *themselves* send you the positions. < 1363069083 350482 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(IIRC the datastream contains the telemetry for all the satellites at the time) < 1363069094 238787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: The moon moves much faster, and houses move much faster than that. The speed at which they move isn't the point though. < 1363069120 724972 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The houses move simply because the Earth rotates.) < 1363069172 428185 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, they'd change all the time. < 1363069185 45469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The GLONASS is rising in the house of the lion for two seconds, or whatever < 1363069208 965869 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, they would change all the time, but that doesn't mean they don't have any coordinates! < 1363069506 548602 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there are some corrections and things, but I don't know how difficult that makes it to predict their positions in the future? < 1363069806 657096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know? < 1363069834 910285 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not. < 1363069868 760703 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people wanted to remove Pluto from their horoscopes because it is not a planet. That is silly; just because it is not a planet, does not mean that it does not have any coordinates. < 1363069897 346125 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(A valid reason to remove Pluto would be if you wanted to avoid plotting too many objects at once.) < 1363069939 513061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree with me about what reason is silly and what is valid? < 1363069963 816655 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I agree that I want to know the sign of which pluton I was born under. < 1363070019 228366 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you can calculate that easily with the correct software. < 1363070046 907618 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you mean the ecliptic longitude of Pluto at the time of your birth? < 1363070063 284505 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The astrological signs are just an angular unit of measurement for ecliptic longitude.) < 1363070079 478964 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, not pluton, what do you call those things... < 1363070095 912037 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plutino. < 1363070109 649484 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, you mean Plutino. < 1363070150 253031 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your request does not make a lot of sense, as it is written. Please be more specific. < 1363070174 776810 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :People are usually born under the sign of some planet, right? < 1363070182 165447 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are several plutinos. < 1363070188 346367 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No. < 1363070208 900166 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1363070215 497513 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually the sign you are born "under" actually refers to the ecliptic longitude of the sun at the time of your birth. < 1363070234 973035 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sign you would actually be directly underneath would be the midheaven sign, not the sun sign. < 1363070259 114532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Planets are said to rule certain signs (this is all arbitrary), but the signs are not planets. < 1363070266 344242 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Midheaven has a cooler name. < 1363070290 449720 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there some possible system of drawing a bijection between when you were born and a plutino? < 1363070343 622787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose it could be possible, but I don't know. < 1363070361 240985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a bijection, though. < 1363070388 233765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since a bijection requires going both ways) < 1363070438 821763 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you could calculate the coordinates of the plutinos at the time of your birth (or at a different time, if you want). < 1363070579 116067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ecliptic longitude of Pluto right now is 281 degrees, which is 11 Capricorn. < 1363070611 180223 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :" →? <- "->" is an #esoteric interject which i use roughly equivalently to "afk". i think oklopol started it." i think it's a finnish / even more local thing which i thought was a general irc thing back then. < 1363070613 171739 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :("11 Capricorn" means 11 degrees past the beginning of the Capricorn sign.) < 1363070629 662804 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: Maybe; can you figure out? < 1363070644 172982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I didn't know that, so maybe it isn't necessarily? < 1363070666 838276 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :See if other Finnish people say about it. < 1363070834 507655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: ah < 1363070883 956125 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it cannot be finnish, it has no suffixes < 1363071227 453119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Midheaven has a cooler name than what? < 1363071233 81350 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sun. < 1363071411 27724 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :midheaven = zenith < 1363071444 666276 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Zenith is pretty good too. < 1363071662 684348 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually they aren't quite the same thing. Zenith is the point directly overhead; midheaven is the ecliptic longitude of the local meridian (that is, the meridian overhead). At noon, the sun is at midheaven; it is not necessarily at zenith. (If the sun is at zenith, this is called lahaina noon.) < 1363071722 78928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the sun cannot be at zenith at the latitudes most (all?) in this channel live at < 1363071751 874967 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363071777 288168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yes, that is correct; the sun is only at zenith between the tropics. That doesn't make what I said incorrect, though. < 1363071809 176231 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :->:lleniköhän < 1363072397 830353 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363072725 153193 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Windows not send the correct commands to the PC speaker? < 1363073406 297359 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running a DOS program to send the commands on Windows seem to treat mode 2,3,4,5 as the same, even though Wikipedia says otherwise. If running on DOSBox, it makes single clicks for all modes other than 3 and 7 (which is equivalent to mode 3). However from the description it seems to be that mode 2 might also generate a continuous tone; DOSBox doesn't do that, though. < 1363073430 669536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :"OUT will then remain high until the counter reaches 1, and will go low for one clock pulse. OUT will then go high again, and the whole process repeats itself." < 1363073465 487555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it not work directly because the hardware is faulty? < 1363073515 121890 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it something Windows does? < 1363073657 711499 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Decimal mode does seem to work. < 1363073735 448790 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: you seem quite stressed < 1363073819 959200 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually it is correct that mode 2 does not generate a continuous tone. "This mode creates a high output signal that drops low for one input signal cycle (0.8381 uS), which is too fast to make a difference to the PC speaker (see mode 3)." (from osdev) < 1363074144 429943 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363074649 616584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why? < 1363074657 132100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why which < 1363074755 648046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :House in EPA. < 1363074760 694740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I miss multiple messages? < 1363074771 341316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hasn't been very around. < 1363075112 952161 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363075145 922388 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363075146 397094 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363075175 600909 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1363075275 893840 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why buy a house in EPA? uh, I guess because it's cheap and he wants to live somewhere around there < 1363075435 57293 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-53.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1363075444 645725 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's epa? < 1363075504 84141 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eicosapentaenoic acid < 1363075635 765705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, buying a house in acid sounds like a bad deal < 1363075785 460894 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's East Palo Alto < 1363075788 96432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf's hood < 1363075816 538695 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@195.206.224.58 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363075992 610543 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :gangstahood < 1363076010 707545 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shangstahood < 1363079159 520339 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: I bet you like cake < 1363080393 585587 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363080658 164759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1363084447 603638 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363086277 56009 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7692.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363088626 955631 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-mzfoydicklvnutxs QUIT :*.net *.split < 1363088627 108136 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran QUIT :*.net *.split < 1363089539 576195 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363089582 589188 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363092903 930938 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363093419 467549 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363093537 548072 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363093985 757150 :lahwran!lahwran@unaffiliated/lahwran JOIN :#esoteric < 1363094836 778309 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1363095314 773949 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1363095633 563103 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363096077 946060 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-thvduneouclgqael JOIN :#esoteric < 1363096423 192393 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363098591 211640 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363098612 420064 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363099744 145865 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7692.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1363100430 630866 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363100626 137495 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363100644 453863 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363101421 327741 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363101636 35580 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363101825 52960 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363103630 524801 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363103685 96334 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :test? < 1363103719 690876 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363103726 886180 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1363103727 956068 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 121550Z 29002KT 10SM -RA FEW006 SCT012 OVC016 06/06 A2980 RMK SF2SC2SC4 SLP093 < 1363103755 975002 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. everything is fine, except for the crappy weather. < 1363103792 749218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :~hello boily < 1363103793 735665 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi < 1363103796 298015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad bot. < 1363103878 670314 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363104231 775545 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363104233 321841 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is utterly petrified of his interview tomorrow < 1363104770 337574 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 257 seconds < 1363105157 865523 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1363105191 366035 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a final one ? < 1363105286 278438 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, don't know? < 1363105716 448233 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so was it rescheduled? < 1363105807 810223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I told the internship person that I wanted to reschedule, but didn't manage to set a date before she left for the day, but she did see that I wanted to reschedule, so if I don't show up to that hopefully it won't be bad < 1363105819 327428 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Cablevision interview is still going on :D < 1363105886 480820 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what < 1363105912 595766 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.coinheist.com/rubik/a_regular_crossword/ https://github.com/ekmett/ersatz/commit/9e16d70986ad4169160d3e5647dc1c1ca05b49f0 < 1363105922 969956 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so she heard you telling her you wanted to rescheduled, but then said "oh wait it's 4pm I gotta go" and hung up on you? < 1363105948 715404 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she sounds french! < 1363105964 179976 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, email conversation < 1363105985 632591 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still that's weird < 1363106018 856166 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Considering my delays in replying to her, not really < 1363106140 843082 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, just relax and you'll have a great interview tomorrow < 1363106831 897694 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363106927 601393 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: of course my bot won't answer. it was lunchtime. < 1363106990 121902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :very sensible. < 1363107198 574625 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d93299dd.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363108053 470464 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It be tea time! < 1363108111 399120 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day in my life, I'll have to celebrate tea time. < 1363108471 704733 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tea time was earlier, Sgeo < 1363108475 231529 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :god you're so dumb < 1363108625 615790 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363108684 389606 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"prove that the integral from 0 to N of ln (1 + x) with respect to x is equal to (N + 1) ln (N + 1) - N, where N is a positive constant" < 1363108695 653144 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea where to start with that < 1363109027 48033 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any pointers? < 1363109057 425362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it you're not allowed to just use the rules for integrating ln that are found in every calculus text? < 1363109097 200885 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That... may be a good idea < 1363109110 835323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_integrals_of_logarithmic_functions < 1363109115 303239 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thmc < 1363109133 536212 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@195.206.224.58 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363109148 604671 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the rules for integrating a function composition? in this case int from 0 to N of g(f(x)) dx, where g(x) = ln x and f(x) = x + 1. < 1363109160 430304 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry for stupid'ing < 1363109171 957656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if you aren't allowed to assume these rules, maybe you can integrate by parts < 1363109174 963970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in http://www.math.com/tables/integrals/more/ln.htm < 1363109209 915013 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, I'll go with that < 1363109217 945571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't think there is a general one < 1363109250 56126 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :integration by parts is evil, but not as evil as coordinate substitution. < 1363109265 272323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substitution_rule < 1363109268 418391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that? < 1363109370 540960 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like that. like, you have shapes defined with spherical coordinates, and you need to convert that to cartesian. < 1363110386 664954 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363110486 776146 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363110582 401806 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb has disconnected. that vicious integral got the better of him, it seems. < 1363110988 188571 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, going to try to re-watch that Farscape episode < 1363111331 598501 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1363111668 492660 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to watch some hard sci-fi at some point < 1363111887 161022 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are hard sci-fi tv shows? < 1363111942 326785 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could watch Solaris, I guess, but it's like three hours long and Russian < 1363111955 873814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :working without functional extensionality is the definition of pain < 1363111990 644789 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a book doesn't count as being watchable? < 1363112007 183805 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghost in the shell: stand alone complex is fun hard(?) scifi < 1363112011 901656 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i watched a book for hours but it didn't do shit :( < 1363112026 975744 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard good things about planetes as far as hard scifi goes but I need to see that < 1363112027 424639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bookwatching < 1363112046 519175 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh planetes is cool < 1363112053 675289 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :planetes is cool indeed. < 1363112066 686478 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i thik of hard sci fi i mostly think of weird shit like anything Egan writes, though < 1363112080 133328 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually wow I really do need to see it < 1363112082 268908 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe after gundam00 < 1363112098 65407 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn bookwatching is when you conflagrate birdwatching and the books used to identify them in the same object. < 1363112106 627830 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1363112140 494410 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :patlabor is also a realistic scifi series but it's much more 20 minutes into the future and not quite so serious (no cool spaceships or stuff) < 1363112256 290443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ke"egan" mcallister < 1363112258 594933 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :COINCIDENCE??????? < 1363112283 164110 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :zardoz ftw < 1363112355 275794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I'd have called GitS:SAC "hard", really. < 1363112374 347124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose those things are relative, though. < 1363112472 766138 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except for the Mohs scale of sci-fi hardness, that's pretty absolute. < 1363112490 780134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's based on scratching a book with another book. < 1363112514 483571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you drop one book on the other, corner first < 1363112518 768885 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :GITS is a manga, that's usually softcover, it can't be very hard. < 1363112530 956159 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :qed i guess < 1363112569 424775 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, meanwhile farscape was a tv series from the early 2000s so logically it'd be a video cassette < 1363112583 370083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: p. hard < 1363112593 181832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :PH DVDs are pretty old..... < 1363112599 197482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ph.D.VDs < 1363112642 804718 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure all the films i watched as a child were on cassette < 1363112669 731832 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wp sez dvd didn't become dominant until the mid 2000s < 1363112671 585264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old but VERSATILE. < 1363112677 819590 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess < 1363112695 711508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT farscape is 1993-2003 sez wp < 1363112698 616645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :2003 is kinda mid 2000s!!! < 1363112704 502999 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVDs are pretty hard but I think you could break them easily? < 1363112718 235233 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or scratch them. < 1363112724 788105 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"DVD-Video became the dominant form of home video distribution in Japan when it first went on sale in 1996, but did not become the dominant form of home video distribution in the United States until June 15, 2003, when weekly DVD-Video in the United States rentals began outnumbering weekly VHS cassette rentals, reflecting the rapid adoption rate of the technology in the U.S. marketplace." < 1363112725 140870 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1993...???????/ < 1363112771 590924 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, but you could definitely scratch paper with a dvd < 1363112808 312320 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what about the covers? < 1363112823 30759 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :same deal < 1363112848 264122 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we're missing the real issue which is that elliott has somehow managed to confuse 1999 and 1993 < 1363112856 231441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant 1999 < 1363112865 321137 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically the same though < 1363112866 419096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you? < 1363112925 249902 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: in 1993, I didn't exist < 1363112927 328700 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nineties never existed. it is a conspiracy deployed by the government. you can go straight from 1989 to 2000 without a single significant second having ever occured. < 1363112932 531281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1999, I was 5 years old < 1363112957 639636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA i was FOUR < 1363112973 130201 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Get off my lawn. < 1363113131 211131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha i was uh < 1363113132 104399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1363113134 709607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably 4 or 5 or something < 1363113148 171620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of tricky to work out how old you are i think < 1363113152 447261 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Off! < 1363113154 474055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be easy if months didn't exist < 1363113169 640735 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :protip, you're younger than me < 1363113223 724560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that's hard to remember because you're so much more terrible < 1363113261 964523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure if you get more terrible than you you wrap back around to good < 1363113310 583023 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel old seeing y'all being young'uns in 1999. I was ten at that time. < 1363113353 305453 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg you were one of the Big Ones < 1363113369 78418 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION aims shotgun at elliott  < 1363113409 417256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: wait I mentally assumed you were like fizzie's age < 1363113417 654286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that is my instinctive reaction to weird foreign people!!! < 1363113440 184352 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I wouldn't call myself a big one. I was kinda scrawny, and still vaguely am. < 1363113456 519817 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm not weird, I'm not foreign, and how old is fizzie really& < 1363113458 275514 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't matter < 1363113461 528042 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/&/?/ < 1363113472 718273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :48 < 1363113481 260292 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is like a billion < 1363113519 738153 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric := 48 < 1363113532 266790 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1363113541 53688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not the oldest thing around here. < 1363113551 831080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm not even 30. < 1363113564 307139 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And won't be for over a month!) < 1363113597 77706 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you seriously not 30 < 1363113626 511896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am seriously still 29, as far as I know. < 1363113639 799047 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda parse fizzie as almost-but-not-quite-30 < 1363113640 987407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever < 1363113646 807547 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure he makes sense to be 30 < 1363113716 456461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but he's so mature < 1363113734 115278 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't be that... dadly in your 20s < 1363113831 466276 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363113898 860755 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true fizzie would be a fantastic dad < 1363113901 474396 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :honorary dad of #esoteric < 1363113963 628439 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey i could believe being in his 20s < 1363113969 802588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though he's like 60 now < 1363114067 955996 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah, people can probably debate for ages what 'hard' means :P < 1363114084 680153 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: come on cpressey is an old man < 1363114089 122450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he definitely fits the bill < 1363114109 98610 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember him being that old! < 1363114124 330856 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's like at least 25 billion years old < 1363114126 861891 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION oO(hard is the hearts of people not sharing their cookies with me) < 1363114169 824113 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So roughly 25 fizzies. < 1363114256 925896 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know whether to feel old or young < 1363114280 133406 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: toy story came out over 15 years ago < 1363114288 525145 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :time is a perception issue < 1363114323 920938 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop lying fiora < 1363114333 616343 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still pretty much ten!! < 1363114340 977505 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :arenot :< < 1363114342 352590 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lunchtime is doubly perceptive. < 1363114386 605428 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, nowadays we have been having the time cube < 1363114444 138 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there really is a wikipédia article on any subject. even the time cube. < 1363114450 91992 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363114457 660956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: um < 1363114463 2038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 15 do you mean 18 < 1363114469 760508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 17 < 1363114513 675309 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot of years < 1363114515 122985 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, Add +0- as One = nothing < 1363114515 514867 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: no no no. how would i get a wrong answer < 1363114547 349863 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: p. sure 17 is above 15 < 1363114553 892701 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, one is a demonic religious lie, one - does not exist, except in death state. < 1363114554 278746 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: like unlambda. the square is circled, the fnord < 1363114564 364162 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :exactly. < 1363114579 95686 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, why are your hapaxes fnorded again? < 1363114580 228811 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i find that rather silly, actually apparently i've totalled more than 20k typed in the manifest there is no simple, portable module system? ( as suggested by alan bawden in 1996. others can move their own creations ahead, but keep in mind < 1363114617 896626 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://tunes.org/wiki/alan_20bawden.html k < 1363114658 331780 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :ending with "but keep in mind" sounds like Yoda-speech :D < 1363115123 294709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow the toy story films lasted a really long time < 1363115453 593653 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, toy story 1 is only 81 minutes long < 1363115536 117828 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: cf. c00kiemon5ter and time perception. < 1363115687 767357 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does c00kiemon5ter perceive time < 1363115701 933677 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in terms of cookies??? < 1363115725 639856 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i once knew someone who seemed to measure time by the yardstick of pregnancy) < 1363115780 454675 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means that a year is ~1.35 babies. < 1363116019 148344 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe the rough quote was "3 months? If I got pregnant now I'd be 3 months pregnant by the time it arrived!" < 1363116037 140594 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1363116085 348783 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's quite the < 1363116086 17104 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1363116225 882188 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363116255 477035 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hi < 1363116566 546405 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363116585 304233 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363116597 553497 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363117035 551216 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoInterpreters doesn't have room for compilers? < 1363117048 699626 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this about trustfuck < 1363117054 191633 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1363117152 134958 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I guess that's why it's called EsoInterpreters rather than EsoCompilers < 1363117400 948691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363117630 634753 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-d93299dd.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363117655 76992 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Amelia that's new < 1363118199 835882 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363118423 74331 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363118431 449732 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 QUIT :Client Quit < 1363118451 169074 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363119169 520566 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: that's short, too. < 1363119293 184520 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there any decent software for drawing 2D "ascii art", that could be used to write Befunge source code? < 1363119307 899525 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I grow weary of Notepad. < 1363119519 997813 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jave is good. I wonder if it is still in active development... < 1363119561 613335 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing new since 2010, but still: http://www.jave.de/ < 1363119601 631753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://www.coinheist.com/rubik/a_regular_crossword/ [...] <-- looks fun < 1363119614 345495 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1363119624 959974 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wioll haven imported into paint program < 1363119641 922950 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i solved a regular crossword in february < 1363119646 163588 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was really great < 1363119650 888236 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a wioll haven? < 1363119663 900026 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~param/quotes/guide.html < 1363119670 864093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :see dr streetmentioner's famous grammar < 1363119790 471855 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks. maintenant j'aurai avoir eu compris. < 1363119807 994174 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(got to love those French verbs. they're like lego blocks, but with more exceptions!) < 1363119874 944588 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have had understood. english verbs are lego blocky too! < 1363119892 246761 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe in a more boring way, though < 1363119900 967727 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :less pretty to pronounce < 1363119905 247450 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363119918 581045 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363119935 902768 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"been" sounds so awful. c'mon, english < 1363119945 723181 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your exceptions are less interesting and of a lower quality :p < 1363120039 634161 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the best part of english verbs is that a good amount of them are conjugated in a completely different way from the rest < 1363120061 836692 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ran back to france but they didn't want me < 1363120400 471558 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363120457 485173 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363120472 185643 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1363120537 668060 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 QUIT :Client Quit < 1363120632 157720 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the french ones are kinda mine technically < 1363120645 690207 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the english language definitely isn't < 1363120669 443021 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363120679 246130 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1363120706 594753 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363120738 194358 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily mentioned "[my] exceptions" when i talked about english verb conjugations, but actually closer to french than to english (i'm belgiumian) < 1363120752 477971 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*but i'm actually closer to < 1363120764 371224 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i don't know anything about belgian < 1363120798 597740 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...such as that it no longer exists, ok < 1363120874 923112 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah the Belgian Language isn't a thing < 1363120892 46406 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm actually saying is: half of belgium speaks dutch and the other half speaks french < 1363120904 722126 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :while i'm from the dutch-speaking part, pretty much everyone is expected to know french < 1363120910 805828 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363120927 414570 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are the francophones expected to know dutch? < 1363120987 864074 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. their secondary schools usually teach either english or dutch, students get to choose < 1363120998 316337 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-73.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121001 598557 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pretty much nobody picks dutch because english is Super Cool < 1363121021 776911 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :us dutch-speaking belgians really like complaining about all the effort we put into learning our neighbours' language while we don't get anything in return! < 1363121047 506325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1363121078 172824 :Snowyowl!5c6a583e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.92.106.88.62 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363121079 118787 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :historically, french was the language of the elite in belgium, too. only the plebeians spoke dutch < 1363121110 318847 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were political parties called "taalpartijen" (language parties) that just rebelled against the oppression of dutch speakers! < 1363121126 648702 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eventually dutch became a Real Official Language < 1363121142 46176 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121142 196464 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1363121142 196635 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121245 244898 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121298 642080 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of: dutch is a really horrible language when it comes to verbs. (it's a lot like german) < 1363121311 76420 :itsy!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 NICK :impomatic < 1363121312 895629 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the infamous V2 alignment. < 1363121322 241408 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ask elliott about Ziet!!! < 1363121349 233725 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yes the V2 alignment is pretty great too < 1363121361 20769 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is dutch the only language that does anything like it?) < 1363121381 471120 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err and german :| < 1363121400 146677 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363121442 566730 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :german! < 1363121458 790909 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121462 640919 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow turns out V2 word order is crazy < 1363121550 436685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is V2 alignment? that thing of putting subordinate verbs usually last? < 1363121572 511908 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's VF word order < 1363121575 908635 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363121583 506980 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1363121590 597919 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363121595 586115 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :V2 alignment is where the verb of the main clause is always in the second place < 1363121602 181930 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363121609 553960 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem with that? < 1363121613 242630 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the kids / PLAYED / in the garden / today" < 1363121619 409224 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"in the garden / PLAYED / the kids / today" < 1363121622 242590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right. norwegian has that too, but not the subordinate last placement < 1363121622 566235 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :etc < 1363121628 569795 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Dit boek las ik gesteren”. < 1363121634 66357 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shudders in abject terror < 1363121650 108852 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363121673 108962 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's common to hear native dutch speakers say stuff like "this book read i yesterday" when speaking "dunglish" < 1363121680 399712 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't sound weird to me. well a _bit_, we don't switch objects first that often. < 1363121697 635685 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1363121713 623158 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :may i suggest a better name than "dunglish" < 1363121714 474554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Denne boka leste jeg i går." yep perfectly normal. < 1363121723 356519 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: that's strange < 1363121724 515907 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, anything < 1363121742 7837 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do dutch dub movies and tv shows? < 1363121753 255708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: so basically it's probably all germanic languages _except_ english >:) < 1363121755 731286 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: luckily, no, not often < 1363121769 81635 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only stuff like nickolodeon cartoons < 1363121776 22661 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :otherwise we prefer subtitles < 1363121781 223121 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«J'ai lu ce livre hier.» "He leído este libro ayer." < 1363121785 97173 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the french, though... < 1363121788 923982 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i had a discussion about germany being a rare exception in dubbing everything < 1363121793 736632 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :never realized it before < 1363121805 51157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dubbing policy is completely different in France than here. < 1363121815 434950 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even subtitle movies from Québec! < 1363121816 83634 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nontheless, i'd never say something like "the book read i yesterday" < 1363121845 418058 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :would you if you were trying to imitate Yoda < 1363121851 443300 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: shouldn't you be better in english in this case? < 1363121872 67885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwegian has this little subtlety in subordinate clauses that you can often detect good, but not perfect non-native speakers with: certain adverbs suddenly come before the verb instead of after. but the verb still comes before lot of stuff. < 1363121910 539624 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: young people are generally pretty good at english < 1363121921 118536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Jeg har ikke lest den boka" - i haven't read that book. "Jeg sa at jeg ikke har lest den boka." - i said that i haven't read that book. < 1363121922 476286 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1363121958 341399 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in the day there was a lot less influence from english media so old people still say adorable things like that < 1363122009 907017 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we have the same thing, but I didn't realize it was a subtlety < 1363122013 304146 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i see, i can think of germans doing that, too < 1363122022 822232 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: haha, we've actually done something similar < 1363122035 620766 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i think germans are more known for that become/get issue < 1363122051 672996 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until like 2005-ish, tv shows and movies in "dutch dutch" (dutch from the netherlands) got subtitled < 1363122070 981172 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it was controversial. some dutch people felt we were poking fun at them for their "weird" accent < 1363122077 173228 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so these days they're gone :') < 1363122216 910385 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that sounds awful < 1363122315 453201 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello guys < 1363122388 572886 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: on Monday nights, there's this thing called Douteux: http://douteux.org/ < 1363122410 484944 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363122424 39160 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we get to see weird and strange and wtfing extracts from various excerpts and random stuff. < 1363122453 182490 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when we stumble on something from België, we often have multiple subtiles in both Dutch and French, with a voiceover in english. < 1363122459 107720 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end-effect is surprising. < 1363122467 606107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: bonsoir! < 1363122474 800747 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha yes < 1363122482 597603 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cinemas here tend to be bilingual too < 1363122498 637037 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363122507 484297 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :salut boily < 1363122509 260815 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you're watching an english movie with dutch subtitles and french subtitles... < 1363122514 414265 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just coming back from the cinema < 1363122538 233426 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the director told us to cancel one of the two films because they had (AGAIN) heating problems < 1363122556 788158 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the spectators weren't happy about it < 1363122577 901576 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you work at a cinema? < 1363122584 354560 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had that one guy explaining to us how he had just walked 20 minutes in the snow, despite his (very) old age, to see that movie < 1363122588 973013 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I volunteer, mostly < 1363122592 638699 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363122598 983787 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty cool < 1363122603 330249 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes they call me for weekends and I get paid < 1363122627 129163 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the director told him he could not have spectators watch a film in the cold < 1363122636 920771 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the guy "I SURVIVED THE WAR I DON'T CARE IF IT'S COLD" < 1363122651 963685 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is cool :) < 1363122663 788065 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since the new projectionist is a very pretty girl < 1363122705 300477 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's comforting to hear it's snowing over there too (what the HELL is that about) < 1363122723 422465 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah well < 1363122728 726690 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clinical strength head&shoulders smells bad < 1363122735 62626 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually go to the cinema with my bike < 1363122764 718101 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I usually don't mind biking in the snow < 1363122778 495642 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm stuck with crutches < 1363122784 439228 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I borrowed my parents' car < 1363122797 15798 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was my first time alone in a car AND THERE WAS THAT FREAKY SNOW EVERYWHERE < 1363122800 528647 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was horrible < 1363122848 739600 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snow is not freaky, it loves you, hugs you, and wants you to be their forever. < 1363122861 410667 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. ok. well, snow can be a little bit freaky. < 1363122904 36044 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the cars in front of me stopped in a rising road < 1363122915 612726 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that how you call that? a route going up) < 1363122923 611653 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I stopped too. < 1363122932 640970 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the car drove away < 1363122936 706236 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND I WAS STUCK < 1363122957 350136 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I was doing something wrong, but after a while it was clear it was the snow < 1363122985 696473 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and because of me the car behind me got stuck too < 1363122999 619100 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :after a while I managed to drive again but they didn't :) < 1363123159 536953 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363123161 349362 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should fill some esointerpreters gap < 1363123242 978011 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363123316 716941 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unefunge is just befunge without ^ v and |? < 1363123331 707693 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and g and p commands having one less argument < 1363123364 240110 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be described anywhere on the internet, at the moment... < 1363123375 605452 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html < 1363123400 617117 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh unefunge is based on Funge-98 not Funge-93 < 1363123548 803819 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it a lot tougher to implement... < 1363123558 680951 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why that? < 1363123574 924507 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because funge-98 is a lot tougher than funge-93 < 1363123580 284512 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, at the same time, it's just a tape < 1363123598 11213 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but you have to deal with a lot of funge-98's extra stuff < 1363123605 680435 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, but a tape with a crazy Lahey space < 1363123607 506701 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1363123611 35361 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And True < 1363123612 876286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lahey space isn't really that crazy < 1363123622 392267 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not in 1D it isn't < 1363123649 416368 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i was planning to write it in golfscript... the longer that gets the more unwritable it gets, too < 1363123653 77165 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363123754 481257 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the problem with lahey space? < 1363123903 819413 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363124174 779297 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: it's not quite a torus that's what < 1363124189 593138 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so? < 1363124214 610160 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, I just wanted to make a joke, because in one dimension, it's exactly the same as a torus < 1363124218 273515 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if direction = right and cell = last: newcell = first < 1363124221 259324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : what's the rules for integrating a function composition? in this case int from 0 to N of g(f(x)) dx, where g(x) = ln x and f(x) = x + 1. < 1363124234 487351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :messy. but when f is linear it's easy. < 1363124277 385506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(basically you try substituting what's inside, but in the general case it's just luck whether that makes it easier or not.) < 1363124328 103360 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-158.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363124333 497365 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: ok ok but what formula do I type in my calculator?? < 1363124358 864736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea < 1363124412 823081 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably there's some syntax for integrating a function < 1363124438 276194 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fnInt(! < 1363124574 162843 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm glad wolfram alpha forces me to log into it with facebook these days. < 1363124630 85559 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1363124634 304972 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[insert logarithm joke here] < 1363124663 196535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaiu the kind of integration you can do without massive theory is essentially just running differentiation backwards and hoping the pieces fit together, which they'll do if it's a school test. hth. < 1363124694 826900 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh sweet < 1363124696 660769 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363124718 28991 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's exactly the same method as the one we used to solve a polynom in prepschool < 1363124735 497914 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the massive theory gives you the added option of "we can prove this integral has no expression in the functions you know." < 1363124745 854372 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1363124783 351814 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"massive theory" sounds like a great band name... but it probably just reminds me of "massive attack" < 1363124797 880634 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also makes it a worse band name < 1363124827 841433 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imagine massive attack doing a cover of the big bang theory soundtrack < 1363124856 460059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: why is integration terrible < 1363124860 710501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :derivatives are pretty nice < 1363124868 602587 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Risch_algorithm < 1363124870 357843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then there's integration and it's all whoah i cant let this be easy 4 u lol < 1363124876 908079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :gonna shit all in your symmetry < 1363124888 43525 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've read the saying "differentiation is a handcraft, integration is an art" < 1363124914 836938 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like an fart :--/ < 1363124927 564808 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like half-integration < 1363124933 779635 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forget how impossible it is, probably p. impossible < 1363124970 218403 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr reading even mathematica doesn't implement the full risch algorithm. < 1363124980 242509 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although maybe they've done that later < 1363124982 786346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you ever need it < 1363125008 199911 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how often do you want to integrate inverse sine of a polynomial over double exponentiation of inversion < 1363125036 209311 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(oerjan: I don't know what you did to my brain, but everyday you use new four~five letter acronyms, and everyday I understand them) < 1363125036 597866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course mathematica doesn't restrict the answer to elementary functions, which means it cannot use just the Risch algorithm anyhow. < 1363125037 255420 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just looked up http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_integrals_of_rational_functions and i feel like vomiting now < 1363125054 842148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: yay! < 1363125061 84521 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me tell you about secant cubed < 1363125081 607181 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't imagine people using these formulae < 1363125093 189039 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Integral_of_secant_cubed i love that there's a fucking article for this though < 1363125134 132043 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you brought back repressed memories of CÉGEP. I do not thank you. < 1363125163 165144 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"classes élémentaires aux grandes écoles préparatoires"? < 1363125174 187615 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds like you got the right words but in the wrong order < 1363125190 666416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: on the plus side, _numerical_ integration is easier than numerical differentiation < 1363125239 931750 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh god the housemate and his visitor came _back_ again < 1363125253 520918 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the visitor a female < 1363125276 708683 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: Collège d'Enseignement Général Et Professionnel. it goes after high school and before university. < 1363125297 603246 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the second e was a decoy < 1363125307 425889 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope. i fear they'll be doing gaming < 1363125322 180350 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe movie watching < 1363125323 453938 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very clever decoy to lead exchange students astray. < 1363125324 945228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but automatic differentiation is easier still. :( < 1363125330 818599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi elliott < 1363125335 108271 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellooooooerjan < 1363125352 749459 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: i'm pretty sure i've used "istr" many times. < 1363125373 534525 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you need to mash the «o» and «e» key really fast together to produce œrjan. < 1363125378 20435 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that you mention it istr so, yes < 1363125381 228269 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :today i used istr and i think i picked it up here... < 1363125462 181763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heegan mcallister < 1363125465 542734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's with all this rain < 1363125467 737830 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363125514 33237 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1363125516 510565 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363125651 438305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi shachaf < 1363125654 925723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does it rain < 1363127723 465999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :new york < 1363127739 187022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not anymore. < 1363127787 581526 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go do something interview related < 1363127789 431164 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's still snowing here < 1363127797 77043 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: sleep helps < 1363127817 789475 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, I do need to eat dinner < 1363127825 534070 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that helps too < 1363128130 791353 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363128418 386540 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs396340.centertel.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363128470 349988 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i made a turing machine that implements H9+ < 1363128477 830755 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a little over 9000 states < 1363128478 325409 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363128509 50904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : `learn bookwatching is when you conflagrate birdwatching and the books used to identify them in the same object. < 1363128517 361545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you conflagrated another word there < 1363128537 24966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: not Q? < 1363128542 206211 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh is that where you make a portmanteau and then light it on fire < 1363128572 286257 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/J1D5SWaK8h4avDKJr3Mq/ -- works for http://morphett.info/turing/turing.html < 1363128573 645203 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be. < 1363128587 301971 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: at first i thought "ugh Q is going to be hard" but now that i think about it it should be fun < 1363128628 863845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: wait, 9000 states? < 1363128631 103816 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the only reason i wrote this is: prove that a UTM can execute a H9+ program (read: copy one of two strings based on some input symbols) < 1363128645 816324 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :9000 states indeed < 1363128663 396858 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "99 bottles of beer on the wall, 99 bottles of beer. take one down, pass it around, 99 bottles of beer on the wall!" * 100 < 1363128665 222188 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11400 < 1363128682 108541 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it has no spaces < 1363128682 597600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that _is_ shorter than just writing it directly :P < 1363128692 201189 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's a bit shorter < 1363128713 878488 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you _did_ just insert the whole text? :P < 1363128717 51874 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363128731 185073 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how else did you expect it to become 9000 states big :o < 1363128744 754305 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was wondering if it was plausible without it < 1363128746 362235 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-158.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363128784 512027 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, removing the spaces is just an annoying thing i had to do because this javascript turing machine simulator doesn't differentiate between an "ascii space" symbol and blank symbol < 1363128821 407676 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kinda want to add this to the http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoInterpreters chain, behind "UTM" < 1363128853 510367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1363128874 558846 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait you mean i started this. < 1363128940 94079 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363128964 877592 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm? started what < 1363129005 182535 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just added that chain yesterday :P < 1363129009 90838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*chain table < 1363129010 401751 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1363129013 414485 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone linked it in here today < 1363129037 464401 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was gonna extend it by implenting unefunge in something, but it felt like a lot of work < 1363129041 350077 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i did this instead! < 1363129078 830930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah as a general rule the chains stop because the things on the left are too hard to implement, and the things on the right are too hard to implement anything with :) < 1363129092 44313 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know if i should append this to the chain < 1363129149 504711 :nooga!~nooga@public-gprs396340.centertel.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1363129150 823126 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also an idea: there's been basic -> brainfuck converters or something, haven't there? that might be a way to insert something between brainfuck and bub < 1363129162 241104 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that Bub -> UTM link is broken, it's one of Nthern's ones. < 1363129179 971367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: well we only count esolangs in that table < 1363129202 862920 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. dang < 1363129222 980897 :nooga!~nooga@117-240.echostar.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363129236 486112 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, implementing anything as a turing machine isn't an option < 1363129245 108264 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because there isn't an "UTM" row? < 1363129251 529533 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um yes < 1363129258 16321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we consider UTM's close enough. < 1363129270 577087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however i assume it's just using his Bub converter on the BF -> UTM conversion < 1363129290 675399 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means it's the same as the whirl ones, which have strikethroughs < 1363129321 834070 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: a more serious problem is that what's implemented is _a_ universal turing machine, not all turing machines directly. < 1363129363 76136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which should, admittedly be just a matter of inserting an extra step, by the definition of universal turing machine. < 1363129425 836568 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe "UTM" shouldn't be on this page at all < 1363129431 589191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps. < 1363129433 120154 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's not really a language < 1363129439 454445 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-73.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1363129506 630885 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a flogscript implementation of unefunge is "really easy" but it'd just take some time. writing flogscript is annoying as hell < 1363129522 906151 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :solution: get zzo38 to do it < 1363129538 469837 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant! < 1363129645 388964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so far the only cycle is the Bub -> Brainfuck one, which basically exists because the languages are nearly trivially equivalent and brainfuck has a self-interpreter. < 1363129764 776813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :another idea i just had was if there were a fueue interpretation in unlambda, then that would give a longer path from intercal. < 1363129796 689803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlambda isn't hard to write < 1363129799 63605 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just a pain to read or eit < 1363129801 125269 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*edit < 1363129815 186640 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-158.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363129832 126857 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :most write-only language I know < 1363129836 602444 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1363129901 456099 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm unlambda isn't good at handling bytes. < 1363129986 712950 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot to add the Emmental -> Underload one... < 1363129992 144453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, although you can get around it using ASCII tables < 1363130020 593310 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need those for I/O anyway. < 1363130021 776348 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :does fueue deal with ascii codes? < 1363130025 936998 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363130047 616056 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like underload in unlambda wouldn't need an ASCII table, because you can treat characters as opaque values in unlambda < 1363130067 94309 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed. i've been considering underload in unlambda before. < 1363130091 663708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that unlambda programs are so interesting < 1363130094 400183 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :programming /techniques/ are < 1363130108 69492 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but given that you can't read them, there's not a lot of benefit to them existing < 1363130111 784994 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except to prove a point < 1363130140 226868 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION renames Trustfuck to Braintrust < 1363130142 739696 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear unlambda is a lot like lazy k < 1363130160 325929 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: REFLECTIONS ON FUCKING FUCK, I SAID < 1363130182 135381 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's kind of a scheme -> lazy k converter, apparently < 1363130197 223048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a scheme -> unlambda too < 1363130203 154014 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "kind of" < 1363130249 283902 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1363130257 903699 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is that what ais523 meant by unlambda being "easy to write") < 1363130273 192250 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: yeah, it's easy to compile into < 1363130281 719235 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even by hand, as long as you don't make typos < 1363130289 817520 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(because it's unreadable, if you do make a typo, you're unlikely to ever find it) < 1363130296 559819 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also easy to compile from! < 1363130301 874086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore readable. Right? < 1363130445 903958 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The combinatory representation, (S (K (S I)) (S (K K) I)) is much longer than the representation as a lambda term, λx.λy.(y x). This is typical. In general, the T[ ] construction may expand a lambda term of length n to a combinatorial term of length Θ(3n)[citation needed]. < 1363130463 320985 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whoops, that's Theta(3^n)) < 1363130472 671362 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway who wrote this, ugh < 1363130508 249479 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do lambda terms even have a "length" < 1363130583 726480 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could define a half-reasonable one, i guess, or just use textual length < 1363130625 757566 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: if you're going _really_ deep, there's a way to do it linearly instead < 1363130658 839501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or nearly so. < 1363130728 843542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pass the arguments as a list, and refer them by indexing the list with the deBruijn index) < 1363130819 409414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: any half-reasonable one will be the same when you ignore constant factors, as theta does. < 1363130841 74336 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363130905 561517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course much of the design of my unlambda self-interpreter was how to factor functions into bits that _didn't_ combinatorially blow up. < 1363130945 23512 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1363130945 173613 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1363130963 35752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still 879 < 1363131047 310145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :​^list is for MSPA < 1363131131 796267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, please arrange for an olist update. < 1363131189 135176 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bin/slist < 1363131190 984443 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/slist < 1363131197 155184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/slist < 1363131198 951219 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo Sgeo is a jobby < 1363131205 7930 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should fix that < 1363131217 910774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1363131227 736920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who vandaliszed the liszt? < 1363131236 792433 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, a while ago, iir` < 1363131238 210107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1363131239 485006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`url < 1363131242 856368 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1363131275 528154 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't prove nothin' < 1363131312 187588 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363131364 501517 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I can http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/rev/16641639a4cf < 1363131399 238398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how to revert :( < 1363131411 807174 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rv 2243 < 1363131413 648728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: rv: not found < 1363131418 503802 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 2243 < 1363131422 135585 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1363131428 40085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reverts the entire hackego state. < 1363131447 615731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1363131454 915513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`revert 2416 < 1363131457 781567 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it was someone impersonating me < 1363131458 160295 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Done. < 1363131458 518580 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :undo undoes a single commit. < 1363131461 580498 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but doesn't always work. < 1363131463 402792 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone could have done it! < 1363131479 390518 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably it was aloril < 1363131488 191400 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's had it in for me since day 1 < 1363131602 348362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aloril, with assistance... from shachaf < 1363131687 699704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`undo 2243 < 1363131693 324910 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :patching file slist \ Hunk #1 FAILED at 1. \ 1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file slist.rej < 1363131700 223646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1363131702 195642 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo is a jobby < 1363131738 402128 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo "echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot" > bin/slist < 1363131740 83121 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​"echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot" > bin/slist < 1363131753 370421 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "echo Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot" > bin/slist < 1363131757 70148 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363131818 876737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: We don't do lists that way anymore... < 1363131839 591692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cp bin/{empty,s}list < 1363131842 821369 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `echo < 1363131844 344719 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363131845 358733 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`echo < 1363131858 670289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run for n in Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot; do echo $n >> bin/slist; done < 1363131861 356286 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo `echo test < 1363131862 927213 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363131864 88260 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`echo test < 1363132060 478910 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363132782 680021 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363132944 709503 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-158.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363132979 879410 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-158.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363133166 680024 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363133276 866799 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-158.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363133450 22850 :nooga!~nooga@117-240.echostar.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363133456 559948 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric : null (_:_) = False < 1363133468 368378 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_:_) looks like a butt < 1363133638 893235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um. Wikipedia's down. < 1363133663 95388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, thought it was. Weird. < 1363133675 713596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1363133677 791025 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1363133751 477372 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :again? < 1363133953 818253 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363133956 980174 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lot of updates today < 1363133980 812171 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363134111 2175 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, no < 1363135027 949890 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363135402 603580 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363135580 454263 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363135749 152193 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363135929 989773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: yup < 1363135943 591176 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has been observed < 1363136252 577536 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if kmc has yet been subjected to my horrible Haskell pun < 1363136337 508430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1363136359 604891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What did Goldilocks say when she say Maybe (b -> Either a b)? < 1363136367 852574 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*saw < 1363136576 46238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1363136584 717476 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Just Right! < 1363136596 404069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1363137842 774882 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363138199 617540 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1363138666 409301 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i'm sure i've heard that a long time ago, although i cannot recall if you were the one who told it. < 1363138932 853219 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably < 1363138958 267608 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/haskellwiki/index.php?title=Humor/Goldilocks&action=history < 1363138984 573567 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363139037 523865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :good enough for me < 1363139122 809587 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there seriously a humor section < 1363139228 606815 :augur_!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363139247 609467 :augur_!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363139306 923077 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why is return called return, it doesn't seem remotely like any return i've heard of even in IO do < 1363139394 514973 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363139408 786884 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad decisions < 1363139493 61351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess, on occasion, when placed at the end of a function, it has a slightly analogous role. < 1363139518 628429 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly :/ < 1363140123 919116 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363140194 402788 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363140200 884140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it is one of the most confusing names you could pick < 1363140239 687556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there isn't necessarily a great alternative, but there are alternatives which don't come with misleading existing meaning < 1363140353 289695 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see "unit" a lot or like at all i guess < 1363140363 379443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one thing I learned from Haskell is that people will complain if you use crazy math words like monad, but they'll also complain if you use familiar words in a slightly different way < 1363140368 237045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't win < 1363140374 151213 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also another dumb haskell question < 1363140383 186466 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's wrong with «dumbTest x = do { y <- assocValue x [(4,5),(7,8)]; z <- 10 + y; z }», it says I'm asking for Num (Maybe a) < 1363140393 976807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's assocValue < 1363140401 919902 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Eq key) => key -> [(key,value)] -> Maybe value < 1363140405 154293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the problem is «z <- 10 + y» i think < 1363140415 340908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you wanted «let z = 10 + y» < 1363140420 741688 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the z right after it < 1363140429 207217 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :return z < 1363140436 577635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, that should become «return z» but then it's not necessary at all < 1363140447 631614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather you would write do { y <- assocValue ...; return (10 + y) } < 1363140475 960250 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so i guess <- doesn't do what i thought it did < 1363140476 256928 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363140477 189171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: in «x <- e», e :: M a, and x :: a < 1363140489 585311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's sugar for «e >>= (\x -> ...)» < 1363140497 736999 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (>>=) :: M a -> (a -> M b) -> M b < 1363140536 97589 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, i think i see. < 1363140547 957838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it wants «10 + y» to be Maybe something < 1363140554 25260 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363140700 21000 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363140864 756613 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i can write it without do as «dumbTest x = (assocValue x [(4,5),(7,8)]) >>= (return . (+ 10))». sensible enough < 1363140895 217238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363140897 645465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but additionally < 1363140921 315300 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :«e >>= (return . f)» is equivalent to «fmap f e» < 1363140932 430355 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, i tried fmap earlier but it barfed < 1363140936 326008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or «f <$> e» if you prefer the infix operators from Control.Applicative < 1363140946 691205 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope :D < 1363140951 752236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you have way extraneous parens there < 1363140953 37625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would still use return on the last line of a do, sometimes, depending on what makes it most readable < 1363140961 252412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can elim the ones around the assocValue expression without even knowing relative precedences < 1363140963 229272 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i am aware < 1363140967 498518 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the function application binds tightest (modulo record syntax) rule < 1363140968 420575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would keep the others < 1363140987 567130 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would eliminate the other parens by not doing >>= return . :p < 1363141018 350196 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumbTest x = fmap (+ 10) (assocValue x [(4,5),(7,8)]) < 1363141022 173630 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like i really know haskell < 1363141397 224168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :dumbTest x = (+ 10) <$> assocValue x [(4,5),(7,8)] -- death to parens < 1363142190 194771 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363142217 130300 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363142705 122009 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363143039 191146 :augur!~augur@c-69-138-251-193.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363143280 318602 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363143292 152901 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone know how to include graphics in reddit comments? < 1363143352 911189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you can only include graphics that have been enabled by the subreddit moderators < 1363143409 990076 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the ones i've seen have always been choices from a list of pictures) < 1363143630 175036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (+ 10) has parens hth < 1363143666 811479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if only addition was infix. < 1363143691 641947 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1363143706 997303 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> subtract . negate 10 $ 42 < 1363143708 793471 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (GHC.Num.Num (a0 -> a)) < 1363143708 965780 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from the ambiguity chec... < 1363143712 249583 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1363143730 392041 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t subtract . negate 10 < 1363143733 146480 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Functor f, Num (f a), Num a) => f (a -> a) < 1363143745 369218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION blinks < 1363143753 398820 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1363143755 700101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t subtract < 1363143757 162635 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => a -> a -> a < 1363143774 261283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1363143778 32501 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's (Num b, Num (a -> b)) => a -> b -> b locally, clearly this is what you meant < 1363143792 690025 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363143793 946769 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> subtract `id` negate 10 $ 42 < 1363143795 733706 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 52 < 1363143804 142351 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there you go, no parentheses needed < 1363143810 32743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good caleskell there too < 1363143811 114844 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mixfix clearly forms a monoid. < 1363143836 909416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: clearly. < 1363144044 164789 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :radio.php?out=inline&shuffle=1&limit=1&filter=*MitamineLab*, good filename < 1363144305 498950 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1363144316 826829 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it works by each subreddit customizing the CSS < 1363144324 260427 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should be sleeping 12 minutes ago < 1363144327 808654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Interview etc. etc. < 1363144339 718020 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except I can't stop thinking about OI < 1363144368 132867 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And before elliott screams that OI doesn't work, I'd love to really understand what it is exactly that doesn't work. < 1363144379 592522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont scream < 1363144381 848101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear. starting to think about abstract things just before bed? _bad_ move. < 1363144383 775401 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :usually anyway < 1363144433 688854 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He just stares disapprovingly, communicating the information in subtle microsaccades. < 1363144481 37186 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn microsaccade < 1363144481 523812 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "microsaccade". < 1363144486 841290 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn saccade < 1363144487 164596 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "saccade" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1363144487 314693 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :saccade < 1363144487 314792 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: a rapid, jerky movement of the eyes between positions of < 1363144487 314837 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : rest < 1363144487 314878 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: an abrupt spasmodic movement [syn: {jerk}, {jerking}, {jolt}, < 1363144489 159629 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : {saccade}] < 1363144518 455711 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, being a jerk about it? < 1363144525 411153 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsaccade < 1363144526 712634 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, sure. < 1363144695 785417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i was going to tell you you haven't updated the language list for your rename. however it is not on there at all. < 1363144728 8040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1363144832 385090 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So many languages that begin with brain :( < 1363144857 911032 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also it's less googleable now < 1363144860 735165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh < 1363144869 860132 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo's new language, mindshit < 1363144905 378381 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 PART :#esoteric < 1363145408 313820 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1363145534 216229 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WeThePeop. WeThePope < 1363145574 911727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there may, or may not, be a pope. < 1363145592 457499 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :most likely there isn't. < 1363145627 870037 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363145646 778825 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363145655 874391 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363145669 711529 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, they're still 'claving < 1363146775 708542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The tradition dates back to 1268, when after nearly three years of deliberation the cardinals had still not agreed on a new pope, prompting the people of Rome to hurry things up by locking them up and cutting their rations.' < 1363146818 747923 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :papal politics are the best < 1363146923 295891 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gregory's election came as a complete surprise to him, partially because it happened while he was engaged in the Ninth Crusade at Acre with King Edward I of England in Israel." < 1363146942 781448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1363146990 824229 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"As a result of the length of the election, during which three of the twenty cardinal-electors died and one resigned," < 1363147037 460584 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there any risk of the cardinals actually starving to death during the conclave < 1363147040 487242 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are they given enough to live on? < 1363147058 13829 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363147064 783763 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get rations < 1363147064 934205 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nowadays they are given enough to survive < 1363147071 286090 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but after a time it goes down to just bread and water iirc < 1363147075 245698 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so not great < 1363147110 386201 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :incentive! < 1363147120 4892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it _is_ lent, anyhow. < 1363147131 371611 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: we'll find out pretty quickly when there is a pope < 1363147139 154048 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they screw up the smoke again like in the sixties < 1363147148 565182 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did? < 1363147182 804887 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGBHfXPqbgI < 1363147616 98951 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah, it was when they stopped using sealed ballots < 1363147639 426366 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they previously used damp straw to make the smoke black < 1363147659 299626 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it turned out that the sealing wax was a vital component in the reaction as well < 1363147674 651031 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the first smoke was gray, much to everyone's confusion < 1363147708 242495 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :after that they started using chemicals to color the smoke < 1363147751 511158 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snerk. < 1363147963 401379 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn snerk < 1363147963 871466 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "snerk". < 1363147970 788178 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1363147979 826353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hi < 1363147990 525279 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363148036 255244 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's shakin' < 1363148055 921261 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this slang < 1363148077 228880 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1363148108 319538 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1363148182 802679 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's see this... trying to make a replacement for chip8, so I'm making a RISC cpu ripoff < 1363148286 859537 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all instructions can take either format 1 (reg, reg, reg), or format 2 (reg, reg, immediate) < 1363148291 977531 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :math: add/sub/mul/cmp/cmu < 1363148292 127778 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :logic: and/or/xor/shl/shr/sar < 1363148292 277822 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mem: ldr/str < 1363148292 278004 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jump: jez/jnz/sys < 1363148322 432695 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why not use mmix? < 1363148333 535363 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmix? < 1363148337 656625 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :from the makers of chip8 come this new architecture with all your favorite characters! < 1363148344 249284 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmix is knuth's thing < 1363148427 121955 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to minimize opcodes < 1363148479 954317 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :going for 32 bits too < 1363148521 922270 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :MMIX is intended to be a hypothetical fully-functional assembly language < 1363148529 88119 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and instruction set < 1363148536 812408 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has virtual memory, floating point, etc. < 1363148543 251273 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :predictive branching even < 1363148559 769063 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't care about virtual memory < 1363148568 682805 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though floating point could be nice < 1363148581 235808 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, didn't know it had branch prediction < 1363148592 166560 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder if the early volumes are ever coming out again -_- < 1363148682 834053 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will also need a calling convention... I'll probably just rip off ARM's convention for that < 1363148694 639014 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363148703 969384 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: UNLIKELY < 1363148730 692053 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363148763 29722 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently someone's implemented MMIX in verilog; neat < 1363148772 56986 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"arguments in registers #,#,#,# stack pointer in register # return address in register # you can overwrite registers #### but you have to save registers ####" < 1363148862 800800 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I also need a drawing function, some input reading function, a buffer flip/vsync function, and something to play sfx/music < 1363148976 889763 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363149396 938964 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION downloads mmixware to tablet < 1363149753 559567 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I could make pixel data just like other data < 1363149782 183797 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then I'd probably need a byte load/store function (and byte addressing instead of word) < 1363149861 894644 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :only 256 color, huh < 1363149886 957163 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah 256 color is fun < 1363149893 76287 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though it sucks for transparency < 1363149896 472416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you designing a small CPU for writing demos? < 1363149919 542904 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : trying to come up with something retarded simple yet useful to replace chip8 < 1363149925 502854 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for games actually < 1363150036 901602 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pros for 256: retro chic, palette effects are fun, can write 4 pixels at once < 1363150061 953298 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cons: have to draw everything with the same palette, transparencies and lighting effects don't work too well < 1363150078 156881 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sucks for art that isn't drawn < 1363150165 907650 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :definitely ups the difficulty of deving for the platform too < 1363150199 589153 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also makes hardware accelerated emulation of gfx hard < 1363150264 73499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can switch palette on every scanline! < 1363150281 378154 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I'm going to allow HDMA effects < 1363150322 35669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what it's called < 1363150332 697535 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, hdma is the SNES version < 1363150344 732286 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :horizontal blank dma or something < 1363150389 387105 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call it copper effects too (amiga chip that does the same stuff) < 1363150994 271600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know some microcomputers only run program code in the blanking intervals < 1363151000 718233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess game consoles never worked that way < 1363151029 711560 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :costs a lot of cpu cycles < 1363151048 331398 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the 2600 sorta worked that way < 1363151066 886281 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the cpu had to update the gfx registers on each scanline < 1363151071 298914 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1363151110 585041 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363151297 289947 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363151792 915660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Galaksija only runs the user program during the blank intervals < 1363151844 526490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :while scanning the visible region, it runs a kind of dummy program and uses the Z80's DRAM refresh counter to index the character buffer < 1363151875 90697 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the Galaksija like the 80s version of a Galaxy Note < 1363151887 694488 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bytes of the dummy program also happen to make up string constants used by the BASIC interpreter < 1363151895 388301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes and from yugoslavia < 1363151907 309223 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1363151923 640354 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What country is this computer from?" "It... no longer exists." < 1363152027 34115 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good sales pitch if I ever heard one. < 1363152318 128913 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363152388 60455 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363152444 865957 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363153612 540306 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay this fits in one switch/case < 1363153613 739766 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/qkVskLAa < 1363153797 407221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, mul discards the high half of the result? < 1363153803 88505 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in c++ < 1363153837 899442 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also why is the halt instruction named 'vbl' < 1363153846 918866 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vblank < 1363153856 408559 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait 1/60th of a second :D < 1363153879 696978 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and let the rest of the machine read the picture to display from memory) < 1363153922 132743 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1363154306 856043 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would probably just read the graphics in 320x200x32bit off some memory location every frame < 1363154326 940987 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is fast enough just to draw the frame buffer over on each frame < 1363154446 779824 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363154479 526943 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for controls it could probaby just write the input state at some memory offset just before the vm is run < 1363154625 39383 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1363154643 848897 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then no palette effects :( < 1363154655 701447 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also transparency would be hard :( < 1363154698 364965 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363154712 583212 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well not had but kinda slow < 1363154744 69135 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm maybe not even < 1363154825 509298 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pixel = ((pixel & 0xfefefe) + (in & 0xfefefe)) >> 1; < 1363154920 509270 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be hard to do clamped colors though :( < 1363155006 713643 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :still need a way to handle sfx + music too < 1363155281 721910 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I see simd within a register < 1363155304 799810 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah demoscene kinda trick :D < 1363155416 496977 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or pixel = ((((pixel & 0xff00ff) * light) & 0xff00ff00) + (((pixel & 0xff00) * light) & 0xff0000)) >>> 8 < 1363155459 715711 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm I guess real simd would help there < 1363155480 705315 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably a lot XD < 1363155492 115329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the average you have pavgb which is super fast < 1363155497 460965 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the multiply.... hmmm < 1363155535 4252 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unpack to 16-bit then use pmulhrsw? pmulhw I guess if you don't really care about rounding < 1363155543 849028 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363155549 464926 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best one was on ARM < 1363155553 158704 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vqdmulh < 1363155556 39066 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :interleave+pmaddubsw might be super nice if you need to add two < 1363155564 839634 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like pixA*lightA+pixB*lightB < 1363155578 502929 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16*16 mul, * 2 keep high word saturare 32768 to 32767 < 1363155593 550558 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 cycle throughput < 1363155598 85319 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's mad useful < 1363155647 269300 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :works on 4 shorts at the same time, doesn't change size or anything < 1363155671 132258 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can effectively do 4 interpolations at the same time (for sound mixing) < 1363155814 734050 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess for something like that I guess I might try pmaddwd + packssdw? < 1363156354 788381 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah perhaps < 1363156393 613035 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe use 16bits and have SIMD operations that operate on 1:5:5:5:1:5:5:5 data :D < 1363156491 936595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh that'd be nutty XD < 1363156562 776094 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't AltiVec do something slightly like that? I mean, it wasn't 1:5:5:5, but it has a RGB "pixel" datatype, the format of which I don't recall, and related operations. < 1363156580 420261 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :5:6:5 is used sometimes too < 1363156601 485184 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't recall anything using 4:4:4:4 tho < 1363156636 534747 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363156675 81606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a 16-bit RGB pixel format (of which there are 8 in the register), unless I completely misremember. < 1363156707 103159 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, worst idea < 1363156712 463308 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :12 bit rgb < 1363156714 69037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :8 16-bit pixels or 4 32-bit pixels, says one page, but does not go into detail. < 1363156735 183963 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but with red/green/blue on separate video memory pages < 1363156757 286353 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 4:4:4:4:4:4:4:4 SIMD instructions :D < 1363156816 719519 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though that would more or less torpedo pixel drawing stuff like particle effects < 1363156860 513661 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or worse even < 1363156865 958388 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :YUV < 1363156880 735053 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with 4 bits per component and 2:1 undersampling on U and V < 1363156899 933327 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's something like VYUYVYUY on each 32 bit word :D < 1363157128 91678 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I can guess what altivec does.. something like expand the 1:5:5:5 pixels to 8:8:8:8 < 1363157187 20821 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: That 12 bit RGB thing sounds suspiciously like something VGA would do. < 1363157214 11422 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1363157246 529431 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more of a crazy amiga thing imho :D < 1363157274 197201 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they had... I think it was a 6 bit format < 1363157279 475047 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :using bit planes ofc < 1363157296 331354 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where color 0..15 = set red to 0..15 < 1363157303 364611 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :16..31 = set green to 0..15 < 1363157311 851462 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :32..47 = set blue to 0..15 < 1363157323 993110 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :48..63 = load from palette index 0..15 < 1363157372 467222 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they even came up with a 8bit version later on (giving roughly 18bit color...) < 1363157418 778467 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course some programs would also HDMA the palette so that it had optimal 16 colors for each scanline < 1363157560 135524 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep < 1363157561 140337 :madbr!boulam@198.84.253.87 QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1363157637 775465 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363157638 194019 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1363157638 344463 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1363157988 441694 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363158324 776759 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1363158338 383011 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363158712 57834 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363160050 677447 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :HAM (the thing described above) is such a screwy mode indeed. < 1363160438 474186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the AltiVec 16-bit pixel in fact *is* a 1:5:5:5 format. < 1363160569 66149 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a vec_packpx to pack a 4+4 (two SIMD registers) 8:8:8:8 pixels into 8 1:5:5:5 pixels by taking the 5 high bits of the R, G and B channels, and the least significant bit of the A channel. < 1363160996 778006 :Canaimero-15d3!~canaima@201.243.10.148 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363161115 261222 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Canaimero-15d3: are you a human, or a spambot? < 1363161122 791578 :Canaimero-15d3!~canaima@201.243.10.148 PART :#esoteric < 1363161130 30796 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guessing spambot < 1363161142 2581 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turned up, sent me a bunch of random gibberish in a PM, then parted again < 1363161390 608250 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't get any spam. :/ < 1363161402 103630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be some kind of a "for better folks only" thing. < 1363161405 54295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :me neither. < 1363162289 468294 :Timsole!oespms@69.41.182.137 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363162317 684351 :Timsole!oespms@69.41.182.137 QUIT :Client Quit < 1363162861 293348 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363163657 255161 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363164331 590606 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363164559 708241 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1363165615 192884 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1363166631 541403 :m93!~marcin@89-67-254-189.dynamic.chello.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363166658 45298 :m93!~marcin@89-67-254-189.dynamic.chello.pl PART :#esoteric < 1363166971 895085 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363166983 329715 :Mathnerd314_!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363167109 90481 :ineiros_!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1363167381 471866 :Mathnerd314!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1363167381 682846 :ineiros!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1363168558 103941 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363169211 893933 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-60.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363169658 183247 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363169902 104750 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly QUIT :Excess Flood < 1363169920 884511 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly JOIN :#esoteric < 1363169999 267474 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363171957 466922 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363172680 71677 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist < 1363172688 153189 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo < 1363174493 710755 :kidanger!~ubuntu@54.230.136.88.rev.sfr.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363174833 721396 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thgeo < 1363175170 723932 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck where's my wallet < 1363176032 890731 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckl' < 1363176216 866428 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you checked your pocket < 1363176219 861741 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your hair < 1363176228 610011 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your sofa/couch/???, your chair < 1363176242 820107 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your trash can, your car, your friend's car < 1363176253 992452 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your other pocket < 1363176256 616279 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your coat pocket < 1363176259 45302 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your jacket pocket < 1363176268 58432 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your purse??? < 1363176278 644819 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your dufflebag your fannypack < 1363176284 931653 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your laundry < 1363176298 662182 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm running out of ideas man < 1363176328 768133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your fridge. < 1363176336 958647 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's where my father found his wallet once. < 1363176353 608331 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm maybe they're in your pants but not in the pocket part. like you tried to put them in your pants but you kinda missed it < 1363176361 964147 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you missed it in the other direction they could be on your floor < 1363176365 393333 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you put it in a drawer < 1363176383 975667 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, microwave/oven/stove might also be worth checking? you could have confused it with your meal < 1363176418 636249 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :medicine cabinet, pets, bookshelves, other shelves < 1363176420 708517 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like this: you use money to buy food, it's a reasonable mistake to think you can cut out the middleman. < 1363176498 221513 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.supermegacomics.com/images/361.gif i hear it works out pretty well < 1363176619 607822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, have you checked your wallet < 1363176646 923867 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a wallet from the future that only appears when you need money from it < 1363176659 660108 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have any time machines lying around, that could explain it < 1363176670 102978 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. explanation is you dropped it in the time machine and now it's who knows when < 1363176695 169551 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dinosaur could have eaten it, butterfly effect and that's why (?????weird thing?????) < 1363176708 664365 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why his wallet vanished < 1363176720 613679 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is pretty dang weird < 1363176839 472273 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363176958 823754 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we even sure it was Sgeo's wallet to start with < 1363176984 300795 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he said it's his < 1363176986 432929 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could he be lying < 1363176993 4992 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we sure it's even a wallet < 1363176999 556272 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a metaphor for something far more sinister < 1363177012 138128 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a wallet is a state of mind < 1363177017 672387 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you all < 1363177028 277193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was a wallet made of ice/on fire? < 1363177036 959978 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, I guess I'm not actually counting on IRC help. so n/m) < 1363177064 31302 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was just a pile of money and credit cards and whatever else sgeo keeps in his wallet < 1363177116 435089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FOUND IT < 1363177124 368136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also has my keys < 1363177128 246290 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you < 1363177136 174875 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So kind of need it to get back into building < 1363177141 25276 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So can't really leave without it < 1363177145 72052 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure they're your keys < 1363177369 613727 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363177375 475307 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363177917 49524 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363178786 179413 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363179233 192158 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363179288 57550 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363179303 753781 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363179365 652531 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting this shampoo in was a mistake. It smells horrific. < 1363179400 284298 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the head&shoulder we were talking aboutyesterday? < 1363179554 978713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363179577 478956 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know I watched that Green Lantern film yesterday. I'm really not a fan of reynolds and the movie was about as good as the third spiderman film, but when he used his ring for the first time the only thing I could think of was "if I get a ring like that, able to build anything out of my imagination, I'll never need to program in any language ever again" < 1363179619 767743 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fine structure comes to mind < 1363180242 587019 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: if your itnerviewer is a woman you probably need to go fetch a better shampoo :) < 1363180291 407820 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363180336 238055 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363180528 393755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363181052 744117 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, er... < 1363181100 361842 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf I look like I'm going to a fancy dress party, not an interview < 1363181111 63220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll `pop < 1363181111 894246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :' < 1363181131 5151 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: You don't believe in the power of shampoo? < 1363181145 964485 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of power are we talking here < 1363181159 19231 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the unimaginable sort < 1363181174 642872 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :today is a sginteorview day. how many excrutiating seconds left before it? < 1363181175 545243 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds dangerous < 1363181186 135716 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363181191 108190 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as Sgeo has just found out < 1363181210 42248 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you think I managed to go so far in my studies without attending the exams!! < 1363181222 879345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These men's dress socks look feminine < 1363181227 119442 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363181283 707353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf are you wearing men's dress socks for < 1363181307 339559 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's what my friend guided me to buy for my interview < 1363181319 818424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-8UYKnFltKEQ/UITnD74CCfI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/OgNHMSU7_rg/s1600/socks-men-dress%5B1%5D.jpg < 1363181323 872048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :THESE ARE JUST NORMAL SOCKS < 1363181340 777317 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or did you get, like, calf-high ones < 1363181351 75762 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a pattern on these < 1363181357 579090 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god I was imagining Sgeo wearing stockings < 1363181376 36166 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the worst person < 1363181433 377645 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, patterns are very feminine, yes < 1363181440 581356 :kidanger!~ubuntu@54.230.136.88.rev.sfr.net PART #esoteric :"WeeChat 0.3.2" < 1363181467 742226 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially flowers and kitties < 1363181489 419462 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :squares too < 1363181490 640875 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(meanwhile, I just upgraded a package in my local haskell installation, without anything breaking. it feels strange.) < 1363181504 991355 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :flowers are not feminine. what about hawaiian shirts? < 1363181519 110099 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends on what part of the flower you're talking about < 1363181543 116383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :catkins are very manly < 1363181793 523079 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, heading out now < 1363182030 711831 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://answers.ea.com/t5/Miscellaneous-Issues/Traffic-quot-AI-quot-This-is-why-services-and-traffic-are-broken/m-p/737060#U737060[ < 1363182032 438429 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hahaha < 1363182047 791125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd have thought maxis of all people would have learnt the dangers of oversimulation < 1363182111 485208 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363182126 207294 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363182138 213248 :ais523_!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1363182203 450348 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 NICK :carado < 1363183189 806983 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@88.100.82.98 QUIT :Quit: ragequit < 1363183345 476057 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363183483 844195 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1363185000 523850 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363185232 74048 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363185290 468374 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363188434 688105 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1363189514 58300 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363190663 843242 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363190730 200122 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://bpaste.net/show/OrlKdQFBXpBmf21nXX1n/ i wrote a small python lazy-k interpreter < 1363190740 796440 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :only supports `ski, though < 1363190962 634826 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363191342 645367 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363191991 331759 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363192655 161915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, what, only that one expression? < 1363192686 187431 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: that looks strict < 1363192715 60522 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when is having lazy evaluation an important part of lazy k < 1363192731 113881 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it necessary for tcness? < 1363192735 966695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :strict k < 1363193041 641307 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363193088 805847 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-47.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363193126 831156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 any idea about http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=DNA-Sharp&curid=2720&diff=35666&oldid=31940? site owner, maybe? < 1363193127 317846 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1363193155 522862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also guys < 1363193157 289956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Amelia < 1363193157 787608 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1363193198 781973 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :give it a week < 1363193229 372090 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :History: None < 1363193231 867224 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philosophy: None < 1363193233 599774 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uses: None < 1363193274 744762 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a well designed page < 1363193308 76164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Amelia&oldid=35657 < 1363193311 803347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=Amelia&oldid=35658 < 1363193313 689100 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :evolution of amelia < 1363193319 190586 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Amelia. 1 day old. No history. No philosophy. No uses. No-- < 1363193347 972852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this poetry Phantom_Hoover < 1363193391 905639 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a reference to deus ex < 1363193497 266790 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: yes < 1363193501 693784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably play deus ex < 1363193502 637809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i have < 1363193505 134393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only for like five minutes < 1363193516 661546 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out to be an esolang based on mediawiki formatting < 1363193527 451078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we already have that < 1363193535 269857 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Wiki_Cyclic_Tag < 1363193556 708486 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363193640 998391 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see a History OR a Philosophy section! < 1363193677 978557 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :precisely < 1363193945 587765 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363194554 2304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363194791 762770 :bouchou!~sam@41.104.212.127 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363194824 756487 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1363194880 380492 :bouchou!~sam@41.104.212.127 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ffgf < 1363194882 620883 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1363194947 491185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME bouchou < 1363194951 482622 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BOUCHOU: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1363195104 677475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363195124 867644 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that link is still broken :( < 1363195128 392779 :bouchou!~sam@41.104.212.127 PART :#esoteric < 1363195322 141094 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you scared bouchou. < 1363195344 549187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's ok. this is a scary place < 1363195479 499659 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm alive. < 1363195514 513921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the update < 1363195571 100327 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, nooodl! < 1363195573 564558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god, we weren't sure you'd survive the shampoo fumes < 1363195668 420135 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-47.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1363195681 577948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363195865 853941 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :an Sgeo is a unit of time equivalent to ~3h48min. < 1363195897 506897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: how... how do you pronounce sgeo < 1363195959 466369 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ɛs.ʒe.ə.o/, why? < 1363195959 874134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Esgio"? < 1363196007 876052 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I am wondering where the "an" came from < 1363196028 287345 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :10:18 hi < 1363196036 381929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this? < 1363196072 420459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's better than "ffgf". < 1363196077 842329 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I got a "hi" too.) < 1363196097 142354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't < 1363196163 534472 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there weren't any hi here. < 1363196493 951396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was in PRIVATE. < 1363196502 601279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't want to be saying "hi" in public, it's not seemly. < 1363196564 603102 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't want to be "the monqy" of the channel. < 1363196592 18809 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No hi for me :( < 1363196607 199412 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a general sort of a rule that, in any given situation, if you don't know who the monqy is, chances are it's you. < 1363196619 674227 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mind you, my reply would have been /ignore bouchou!*@* < 1363196950 930439 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e03d.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363196980 204930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: hi < 1363196999 439133 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Man, I've ignored bouchou like three times now. < 1363197003 136238 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just not fair to the poor guy. < 1363197252 738481 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :his nick is ambiguous. does it mean hearing, expansion, counterintelligence or protection against the tide? < 1363197263 772793 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363198004 937635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363198811 825855 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-thvduneouclgqael QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363199214 511547 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363199250 761408 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363199251 168901 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-whtglhenqbofibyk QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363199333 386663 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a Pope. < 1363199372 797705 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, a future Pope has been selected. < 1363199426 988358 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, OI a are things that functions can't really make on their own, but can get values out of? < 1363199440 610710 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adept segue < 1363199445 434936 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every IO a becomes a way to get an a out of an OI a, I think < 1363199460 13252 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So an OI is almost like a secret key into the real world? < 1363199557 72130 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363199648 956728 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn. they is chosen, but not announced. < 1363199651 249937 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1363199662 523361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363200043 48056 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: So is OI a comonad? < 1363200078 520120 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, it's supposed to be. Somehow or other OI doesn't work, but I don't know enough about OI to even understand claims that it doesn't work. < 1363200337 189658 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://24.media.tumblr.com/919ba5543de04d4d7f9d3e27cfd41d10/tumblr_mjm40mAwrq1qkinreo1_1280.gif < 1363200417 304768 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Probably doesn't work because there is no way to construct an OI value, other than using bottom =P < 1363200457 34602 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363200458 871132 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The package I saw had a runInteraction :: (OI a -> b) -> IO b < 1363200459 850304 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc < 1363200476 754093 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So runInteraction must internally create an OI < 1363200493 632997 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1363200498 509085 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the language were OI based, runInteraction might be external to the system < 1363200517 424228 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same way that with current Haskell, executing IO actions are external to the system < 1363200636 643751 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363201430 541306 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363201612 266491 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363201705 580588 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363201723 827207 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363201845 463734 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1363201849 814307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so like. um. do you think I should start an asm/programmy sideblog so that people can follow me without being flooded by fandom things? and so I don't scare people off with scary asm things < 1363201873 889062 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if that means you posting more asm things then yes < 1363201874 138711 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what I could call it. "fiora progterma" is terrible < 1363201886 408666 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want more of them? < 1363201903 620472 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: If OI is a comonad, then what stops you from doing extract < 1363201951 832511 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duh, fiora < 1363202012 479884 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiorasm < 1363202135 324755 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that... works < 1363202307 303114 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :robofiora < 1363202328 491144 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363202352 142508 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp__: i think it isn't actually lazy, as Phantom_Hoover mentioned hours ago < 1363202354 268812 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363202385 822533 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1363202564 533728 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363202618 69578 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right; it's call-by-need, but without sharing < 1363202638 778007 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "new pope" | uuu < 1363202641 112695 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuu uuuu < 1363202650 533276 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "francis i" | uuu < 1363202653 106573 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :uuuuuuu u < 1363202666 13811 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so call-by-name < 1363202676 652950 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would it be strict? < 1363202686 71824 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :un echo "francis \n i" | uuu < 1363202691 7360 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :wop < 1363202709 791482 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Name it Fiora 090h < 1363202761 18048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but h literal syntax is sin < 1363202781 403901 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of trying to turn the name into asm puns < 1363202793 418579 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but FILDa AESENCa doesn't have the same ring < 1363202810 580545 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :0xF1074 < 1363202818 95480 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, but sin(90) = is sqrt 2/2! < 1363202819 81252 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, i see. you don't delay argument evaluation in combinator s < 1363202853 960810 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: snerk < 1363202857 403202 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363202869 150410 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: just come up with a quick url like fiorasm and then obsess over the displayed title for the rest of your life < 1363202887 732179 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363202890 203289 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1363202898 952442 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo make the title be the same as the subdomain < 1363202914 293518 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and 4no subtitle < 1363202950 293812 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :mov F10,R4 < 1363202952 88724 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what's Fiora dooing?) < 1363202958 152335 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of making an asm sideblog thing < 1363202963 698933 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no f10 :< < 1363202966 918551 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1363202983 576408 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1363203009 586411 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm mildly afraid of asm < 1363203028 917106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: how did you memorize all the SSE instructions < 1363203033 30885 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you make flashcards or something < 1363203034 673460 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: i once wrote the prime number sieve in python pure lambda style: http://bpaste.net/show/VZJSFQs3eDZf2SqgMi1C/ < 1363203047 690899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You memoriszed all the SSE instructions? < 1363203049 268275 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why? < 1363203054 160959 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you quickly run into python's recursion limit < 1363203068 117930 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can run it with python primes.py 2> /dev/null | head -c 100 < 1363203073 294540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oppa lambda style < 1363203083 467117 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tromp__, translate it into Lazy K < 1363203088 519778 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that joke is a thousand years too late < 1363203089 782911 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc....................... < 1363203111 228430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you see now it's self consciously bad < 1363203122 101050 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats kmc with a jar of kimchi < 1363203140 865655 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc you can't be a hipster about jokes about popular music, it just doesn't work < 1363203151 774323 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hipster about internet memes < 1363203152 756003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean < 1363203192 956699 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should feel honoured. such a nice, handcrafted jar, with the finest organic virtual ballistic cabbage! < 1363203405 785039 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't gangnam style a song at some point < 1363203462 982900 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I definitely didn't memorize them all < 1363203475 96863 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know most of the basic ones but I mean, the ones I know best are just ones I've used a lot < 1363203479 275725 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's pbroadcastvb < 1363203485 904302 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am extremely bad at memorizing things actually < 1363203496 290390 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I can remember concepts and processes pretty well, but outright memorization is very hard < 1363203505 269698 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in 4 years of german in school I learned like a few hundred vocab words < 1363203506 637419 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1363203524 788181 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, when I think "pmaddubsw", I don't think some raw manual definition of what it does, I think of all the stuff I use it for and the tricks I know with it < 1363203544 873600 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and performance characteristics and stuff < 1363203566 264013 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm I think vpbroadcast only has "b", "w", "d", and "q" < 1363203596 791088 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1363203599 162464 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¬_¬ < 1363203600 64873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1363203603 852670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense < 1363203646 328938 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363203660 468289 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1363203663 634321 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, b, w, d, q, and "i128" < 1363203689 386387 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :double quad super octo-word < 1363203689 536821 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1363203699 221001 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: one result of "not memorizing" like that is that I often don't remember 'exactly' what something does, and I do have to look things up a lot < 1363203730 928196 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like. don't ask me which direction palignr works in. I know it's supposed to be "right" (the "r"), but what's "right"? with all the mess of endianness, I have no idea <.< < 1363203738 511027 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kinda just try both and see which works < 1363203771 868779 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363203790 261555 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION notes down: do not ask fiora what "palignr" is or does < 1363203817 882036 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :palignr is just a way to take AAAAAAAA,BBBBBBBB and get AAAAAABB (for some number of Bs you want to shove into the As) < 1363203818 62525 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it aligns p's to the right < 1363203826 899824 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363203830 881649 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora, you're not helping your case here < 1363203846 505235 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what ;-; < 1363203860 128215 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, Bike's sayin you're awesome < 1363203882 83106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i order you to be less competent < 1363204119 39926 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.-. < 1363204149 891835 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :palignr is like, fun for things like FIR filters < 1363204326 926860 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4e03d.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363204361 331957 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1363204752 728473 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do fir filters care about fun? < 1363205023 591899 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363205116 117469 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: yes, but it's a birch. < 1363205179 971872 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am evergreen with envy over those puns < 1363205205 143920 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pining for more < 1363205351 593405 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363205454 713385 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :glade to see other deranged minds punning with me, even if it's not oak-ay for this channel. < 1363205603 108705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I had any non-bad puns I'd concedar joining you < 1363205604 993560 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tried to right a pun, but I made an ash of it < 1363205679 999466 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sets fire to the channel. < 1363205686 496030 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT'S A PUN < 1363205687 977848 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :DO YOU GET IT < 1363205690 379947 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BECAUSE TREES BURN < 1363205692 83593 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND SO WILL YOU < 1363205761 61944 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do ducks have flat feet? < 1363205771 255397 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To stamp out forest fires < 1363205775 965269 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do elephants have flat feet? < 1363205782 707599 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :To stamp out burning ducks < 1363205784 40926 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363205857 671831 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ggrexpbpunxcddfs JOIN :#esoteric < 1363205943 842600 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363206229 255866 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gnxirgovmxaerdnb JOIN :#esoteric < 1363206306 413250 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363206340 194206 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1363206346 705698 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so apparently in order to see my own posts on my dash < 1363206346 920675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1363206349 396942 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to follow myself < 1363206354 258694 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i preferred it when it was just weird < 1363206370 624130 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, yeah, I don't see PH's posts on Tumblr < 1363206431 986790 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you should probably anounce it on your main one < 1363206468 196647 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Cardinal Bergoglio has encouraged his clergy and laity to oppose both abortion and euthanasia.[11] He supports the use of contraception to prevent the spread of disease, meaning he is not a completely hidebound prude.[12] < 1363206468 366649 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1363206471 710760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :real npov there wp < 1363206512 358775 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like someone has an opinion < 1363206514 15046 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brace yourselves, edit wars are coming. < 1363206522 891146 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's already locked < 1363206542 671971 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :does the new one also have a supervillain lookalike? < 1363206565 622128 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Card._Jorge_Bergoglio_SJ,_2008.jpg iunno, he looks boring mostly < 1363206587 753891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha is it protected with that on the page < 1363206604 250480 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes it is. < 1363206608 219214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good < 1363206610 326481 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has a cite though! < 1363206612 910389 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, are you meming < 1363206616 37309 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's fine. < 1363206626 505745 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's not i just checked < 1363206628 620386 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you suck < 1363206635 887669 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was when i looked at it four seconds ago :( < 1363206638 824836 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm on to the talk page < 1363206640 439981 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Include information pertaining to the Popes stance regarding SCIENTOLOGy's religious status (in Argentina).99.8.125.39 (talk) 20:22, 13 March 2013 (UTC)» < 1363206655 343645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1363206656 235788 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sorry, my brain is partially out of order today. I'm usually more impervious to memetification. < 1363206676 9951 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«I have never posted on Wikipedia before and have no real plans to post later.. but i think the sentence "He is another homophobic bastard indeed." should probably be removed» < 1363206708 312297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how there have been a good few hundred edits to that page today < 1363206831 446619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/Pontifex/status/311922995633455104 i'm scared < 1363206856 189810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea of the vatican fucking tweeting in latin 100% seriously is the funniest thing < 1363206878 333716 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude the trends < 1363206887 968160 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363206893 944053 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#HabemusPapam" "#PrimerasPalabrasDelPapa" "#LosArgentinosDominamosElMundo" "#ReplaceMovieTitlesWithPope" < 1363206916 249445 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuit. he he he. I shouldn't be laughing, but I mean, tuit. < 1363206933 556733 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuit? < 1363206954 823290 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuit. < 1363206961 629335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuit < 1363206983 367760 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately Bergoglio's personal twitter is just in Spanish < 1363207006 180522 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has retweeted somebody named "mitt romney" wearing a Scream mask, though < 1363207104 924802 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like someone hip with the culture of todayt < 1363207106 528194 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha link < 1363207149 169980 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/cassin2851/status/232854175040552960 < 1363207163 222822 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bergoglio is the guy on the right in vestments < 1363207203 8615 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not mitt romney, that's mitt rommey < 1363207220 680956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I'm the new pope, children will love me more than the Santa Claus # Vatican < 1363207224 424813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :republicano conservador adherente al tea party < 1363207228 884335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual tweet by pope < 1363207256 209150 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this a fake account < 1363207275 156616 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"#LosArgentinosDominamosElMundo" :| < 1363207278 977896 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this bergoglio guy sure is rewteet ing a lot of hip stuff, like this one guy he retweeted has as his avatar that picture of a cat with a thing on his head < 1363207294 693940 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that would explain why a guy who's been accused of war crimes retweeted HIJOS < 1363207295 68299 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im sure there are lots of fake accounts < 1363207297 692164 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: inorite. < 1363207302 535876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is monqy a fake account < 1363207314 6559 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :¿Y por qué #NoALosHomosexuales directamente? #NoALaAdopciónEntreHomosexuales < 1363207332 968562 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sólo la iglesia debe protejer a esos niños, abrazarlos, mimarlos, darles calor, darles amor, darles... eh eh #NoALaAdopciónEntreHomosexuales < 1363207333 318311 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, this isn't #pontifex is it? < 1363207340 415015 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, @pontifex < 1363207341 281934 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's JMBergoglio < 1363207352 654742 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pontifex deleted all their tweets and replaced them with latin < 1363207353 804148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see this guy also retweeted a tweet with "fuck you" in it < 1363207362 906071 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'That Twitter Account for the New Pope Is Fake, Fake, Fake < 1363207365 194584 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363207365 536712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IM GETTING THE FEELING THIS ISNT ACTUALLY THE POPE GYUYAS < 1363207370 22979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GUYZ < 1363207371 513006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ES < 1363207374 100046 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh < 1363207375 621419 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :news.va < 1363207380 294652 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't available in latin... < 1363207394 722873 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am so disappointed < 1363207399 598446 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nuntii.va < 1363207416 845023 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not a website < 1363207423 28675 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like it ought to be Finnish < 1363207423 679434 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://yle.fi/radio1/tiede/nuntii_latini/ is < 1363207429 86377 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q:which pope is the real pope??? < 1363207439 131753 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A:Elijah Wood < 1363207439 618431 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the real pope is peter two of spain < 1363207442 66419 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out theres multiple popes < 1363207447 69117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :each one thinks they've been elected < 1363207452 302851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :each one thinks they're francis < 1363207453 422586 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats on your papacy, everyone < 1363207455 418659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :only one will survive < 1363207460 171421 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Proelium Stalingradense commemorabatur" < 1363207466 38953 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this "Stalingrad" in latin < 1363207488 862281 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stalingradens" is probably "from Stalingrad" < 1363207502 815792 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama alterum quadriennium coepit < 1363207519 68841 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The battle of Stalingrad is commemorated? < 1363207524 125367 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363207524 903025 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363207534 768250 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably, i mean two million people died < 1363207534 918461 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's partake of a hot dog bun! < 1363207546 118699 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of sucked, speaking overall < 1363207559 376788 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obama gains another term? < 1363207576 691255 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coepisse is "to begin" < 1363207587 831543 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1363207591 449740 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to learn this < 1363207597 869798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: would you say it was kind of a bummer. totally lame < 1363207607 309250 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seriously, I've ended up doing A-level latin even though I suck at it < 1363207612 592451 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're thinking, uh, capit? < 1363207622 163699 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps < 1363207626 893020 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no that's present, ugh < 1363207629 808110 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I was just thinking what makes sense < 1363207634 481747 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes i think most survivors would agree that it was, quote, "totally lame" and/or "sucktastic". < 1363207635 846947 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cepit < 1363207638 578842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Censorship? Micaela Lisola? Mary Elizabeth Censorship Larrauri not let you take the microphone to whom she wants! < 1363207639 570804 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks wiktionary < 1363207642 867907 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :- the pope < 1363207644 363367 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I knew I didn't know coepit < 1363207711 611162 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the latin tweet on @Pontifex disappeared... < 1363207741 756306 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Pope_Francis#It.27s_Francis_I_.E2.80.93_A_New_Pope anyway the important thing is whether he's I or not. < 1363207786 163916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: pretty sure this is an elaborate setup to an ARG < 1363207794 601535 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363207799 163280 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He was not born in India - FIX THAT" < 1363207802 258484 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't it be Francis IV - A New Pope? < 1363207804 873146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake twitter accounts, mysterious uppercase latin tweet that's then deleted < 1363207808 22093 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shut up fiora < 1363207815 650861 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1363207816 802990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora....................... < 1363207833 50818 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: jesus returns, catholicism turns out to be an elaborate role-playing game < 1363207841 13492 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys can we stop for a second and recognise that a papal ARG would be the best thing in the universe < 1363207849 59293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had no idea how much i wanted this in my life until now < 1363207853 488304 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ARG? < 1363207858 559158 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternate-reality game < 1363207859 480805 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google alternate reality game < 1363207861 94096 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_reality_game < 1363207861 244194 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Alternate reality game - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia < 1363207871 976953 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that sounds very good < 1363207887 654717 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it'd be a lot like a dan brown book though?? < 1363207897 792989 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363207908 653453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but face it being in a dan brown book would actually be awesome (unless you died) < 1363207912 947185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can anything that stupid not be awesome < 1363207913 325945 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: are you still making a roguelike you could make a papal roguelike. you could you could. < 1363207921 995916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow papal roguelike....... < 1363207924 211805 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trivia: "angels and demons" is like the only novel i've ever stopped reading out of boredom < 1363207927 307741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERYTHING is better with more catholicism < 1363207939 563460 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :papal roguelike would work pretty well, i mean have you seen those catacombs? < 1363207945 554277 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you haven't, because they're off-limits. < 1363207949 884688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not gonna lie i loved the da vinci code film < 1363207952 498766 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but not to the pope < 1363207953 163402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it was terrible < 1363207956 681597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i loved it < 1363207961 405816 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, Assassin's Creed II and Brotherhood? < 1363207969 683338 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is that, thath sounds dumb < 1363207970 975804 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i saw that film < 1363207981 902190 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive never seen any of these things < 1363207982 200258 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet you hardly ever play as the pope < 1363208005 911781 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: make "vagrant 3: papal vagrant" < 1363208013 231884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the arg you'd have to literally travel to vatican city < 1363208015 103916 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sneak in < 1363208018 885705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :experience of a lifetime < 1363208042 928934 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes!! < 1363208065 471934 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Are you here on a pilgrimage?" "no, i'm just roleplaying" < 1363208067 443219 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and everyone there's in on the "game" and they know you're on a mission and they're like "welcome, sir" < 1363208115 471680 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: preceding statement was by a bad roleplayer < 1363208123 164530 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl no < 1363208135 855307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would just be very illegal tresspassing < 1363208139 165832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the budget doesn't cover that < 1363208148 477262 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it illegal to enter vatican city. can you enter vatican city i honestly don't know. < 1363208151 451484 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a vatican, what's a pope < 1363208155 967670 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this just got extra intense < 1363208161 132235 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you need a passport < 1363208163 598328 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's illegal < 1363208175 702896 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you need an illuminati passport < 1363208177 229629 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have fucktons of tourists and pilgrims and probably roleplayers? < 1363208205 339881 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, all trespassers < 1363208247 993008 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dastardly. < 1363208252 831594 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opposed - Keep as "Pope Francis". According to the Pope's official Twitter "HABEMUS PAPAM FRANCISCUM" no use of ordinal [8]. --Zimbabweed (talk) 19:40, 13 March 2013 (UTC) < 1363208254 165362 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I trespassed there twice. once for the great circle thing, after that for the museums. < 1363208262 270107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow i just noticed their username < 1363208265 802525 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zimbabweed < 1363208282 560709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so glad we're all bonding over the new pope < 1363208287 642653 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being a musician as well, Francis also played the violin frequently for the natives, which helped them relate better to him. He is often depicted playing this instrument. < 1363208289 141967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there even a single catholic here < 1363208292 572209 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363208305 551205 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my family is catholic does that count < 1363208322 273414 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's "HABEMUS PAPAM FRANCISCUM" instead of "HABEMVS PAPAM FRANCISCVM"? < 1363208323 485940 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lame! < 1363208329 663456 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats it like to have a religious family thats such a weird idea to me < 1363208332 336603 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love all these people saying popes ALWAYS have an ordinal number < 1363208334 423495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :america is baffling < 1363208335 157342 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1363208340 671522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to go to church < 1363208341 518204 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :going off of three examples, one of which was over a thousand years ago < 1363208342 336071 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: It's uncomfortable. < 1363208356 956035 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i was able get my parents to stop making me go years ago < 1363208364 598963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratulations < 1363208369 648841 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :heathen < 1363208383 666774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been in a church like < 1363208386 975166 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :five times in my life? < 1363208390 535401 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do they make you go in the present instead now < 1363208398 191375 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :-) < 1363208405 863450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw if your parents are married that makes them not single catholics < 1363208408 154896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i went to a church of england school < 1363208409 752787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't count < 1363208412 987168 :nooga!~nooga@117-240.echostar.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363208426 973899 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You call it the church of england? not anglicanism or something < 1363208432 894441 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: :-) < 1363208441 896941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well they're "C of E schools" (you say see of ee) < 1363208449 280775 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you disapproving < 1363208450 131364 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1363208470 327585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think anglicanism is like more broad?? < 1363208471 20045 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :church of england but only for historical reasons < 1363208490 191143 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :church of england vs church of wales, fight < 1363208499 760189 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how christian i am: just baptized, really < 1363208537 817462 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did your family bap you and stop caring < 1363208544 461155 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363208547 120117 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally that < 1363208555 500563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't been baptised unless i was and nobody ever told me and i forgot about it < 1363208564 511355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe someone told me and i forgot about it? but i'm pretty sure i wasn't!! < 1363208564 989865 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhhhh the last non-european pope was actually syrian < 1363208601 774772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well there was still like, a daily prayer thing in the school < 1363208610 202556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that was like literally it < 1363208616 370631 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm pretty sure going to a religious school makes you at least half a bishop. < 1363208629 969353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are queens half-bishops? < 1363208641 505326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like aren't religious schools in america really religious or something < 1363208646 116060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they're full bishops and also rooks on top of that. < 1363208648 366778 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Generally, yes. < 1363208677 301497 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are schools that straight-up indoctrinate in religion, rather than being schools that happen to be associated with a religiou organization. < 1363208678 112735 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :All i know about american catholic schools i learned from You Damn Kid so i'm going to go with yes < 1363208687 418314 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Non-Catholic religious schools more so. < 1363208693 919019 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't there some state that required a pledge to God and Country before allowing you to graduate from high school? < 1363208713 864671 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's standard to pledge to god and country every day anyway < 1363208719 916755 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Probably multiple, but such a thing is blatantly unconstitutional. < 1363208757 286758 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember my family being upset that people didnt have to pledge to God in the pledge of allegiance in schools, or something like that. i dont understand my family. < 1363208763 706533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes monqy yikes < 1363208767 661774 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :your family is scary!!! < 1363208784 344681 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION had been assuming that monqy was some kind of non-american foreigner. what is this < 1363208810 890190 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My father thinks that gay people are pedophiles, and you become gay by being raped as a child. < 1363208820 213559 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: americans are all foreigners, hth < 1363208826 507481 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my life is a lie. < 1363208843 857905 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, that is, except for the Swedish ones < 1363208845 545533 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont talk to my parents about things like that because i know it would be unproductive and upsetting < 1363209082 916102 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1363209085 452994 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363209110 570399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: scary < 1363209112 871400 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1363209158 86304 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-32.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363209216 674676 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363209259 820338 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363209274 974958 :nooga!~nooga@117-240.echostar.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363209338 598276 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1363209550 421639 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :the church is such an absolutist institute - I did not vote for a cardinal yet he does represent my vote < 1363209886 694827 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363210024 881639 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1363210101 573331 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called representative democracy, anothertest < 1363210128 820573 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1363210157 21726 :sebbu3!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1363210157 172188 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363210157 944624 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they get locked in and put on rations, their pain makes them good representatives < 1363210180 688651 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363210195 938731 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363210203 344003 :sebbu3!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1363210204 256762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would work better if they didn't get fed < 1363210275 679711 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they did that the first time, a guy died. < 1363210289 447111 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worked pretty well though yes < 1363210290 320600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha did they really < 1363210293 6364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me that's true < 1363210295 238750 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363210301 351697 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :amazing < 1363210308 822603 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the papal conclave system got started because they'd gone three years without picking one < 1363210316 288502 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right i knew that much < 1363210317 663874 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the magistrates were all "uuuugh fuck you guys" and locked them in < 1363210365 274469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and put them on bread and water (which is less than they do now, FUCKIN SOFTIES) < 1363210446 877637 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_of_Segusio and this guy was taken out to die < 1363210841 217707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay but by not fed < 1363210844 212976 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't mean fed with bread and water < 1363210850 621799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could live for months on bread and water < 1363210877 696440 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered becoming a medieval French monarch? I think you've got what it takes. < 1363210879 629900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does this not contain info about his death i want my money back < 1363210890 726116 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: um that would require me to become french < 1363210896 758944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which would destroy my soul and worse, make me french < 1363210898 549001 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardly. < 1363210914 269724 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean you know the present queen of England is like, Dutch or something. < 1363211107 991999 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's way better than being french. < 1363211163 186096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes the point is that all you have to do is fabricate some evidence that twelve thousand years ago your ancestor was the (spanish) queen of the gauls and you're golden < 1363211284 454407 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363211367 275478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but also I'll have to rule over french people < 1363211372 812893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fate worse than death < 1363211403 486177 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there presently isn't a french monarch so they probably wouldn't take you seriously < 1363211417 433693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be mediææval!!! < 1363211422 338528 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediEVIL < 1363212612 795717 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the popes twitter got suspended rip < 1363212652 602160 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363212666 364083 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where did you go wrong, franky < 1363212671 948261 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1363212751 172922 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably tried to troll 4chan < 1363212788 367998 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its pretty cute how each of the pontifex accounts follow each other < 1363212805 908369 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the other language ones have translations of the latin < 1363212810 861187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so why doesnt the english account have a translation of the latin???? < 1363212811 306430 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre all latin < 1363212813 872388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1363212821 162282 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fuck you we're doing latin" ------ church < 1363212845 785154 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mass sounds a lot better to me in latin, no lie < 1363213247 907355 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db41bab.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363213260 135419 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm somewhat confused why people seem to care so much about this. (Note by this I'm not saying it is completely unimportant, just that I'm wondering why a lot of non-catholics seems to care so /much/ about it...) < 1363213287 317595 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just some silly ol pop culture to bond over < 1363213294 388802 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1363213303 342204 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like celebrities but in the real world < 1363213334 101338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I never got the point of celebrities either, so I guess that explains it < 1363213368 808681 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've only gotten celebrities by analogy with actually fascinating things like pope < 1363213396 104906 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: he's a major political figure, kinda like that obama dude, I think < 1363213419 396902 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, technically he commands the smallest country in the world, both by area and population. < 1363213439 18299 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :catholicism has more 'citizens' than china ^^; < 1363213440 6623 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a relatively minor major political figure < 1363213450 402065 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, in that sense, true < 1363213507 173417 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/focus-who-is,31657/ hth. < 1363213514 657908 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, but he has no military to speak of < 1363213515 858072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the weather nice in catholicism < 1363213517 645009 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll move there < 1363213546 907847 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :compared to the US hardly anybody has a military to speak of anyway, so that's no problem < 1363213570 121506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, China kind of does iirc < 1363213591 787689 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they still spend like, half as much < 1363213597 912355 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1363213642 571836 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't the us spend more than the rest of the world combined < 1363213655 376426 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically < 1363213666 598120 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PLUS the pope's military wears cool hats < 1363213668 829458 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think they're good < 1363213689 902068 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like china spends $143.0Bn < 1363213692 167874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :us spends $711.0Bn < 1363213694 29957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like these .0s < 1363213708 337720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, the pope commands a tiny country, and does not have much real political power on stuff that matters for non-catholics, possibly apart from the question of abortion in certain countries. < 1363213716 258791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so us spends 5x as much as china < 1363213733 375429 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you realise that stuff catholics do affect non-catholics too right < 1363213743 364679 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the catholic church kind of has quite a lot of power in parts of the world other than america... < 1363213748 172865 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially africa and south america < 1363213749 738241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also more generally there are an awful lot of catholics so from a world politics pov what happens to them is relevant < 1363213764 900769 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their policies kind of affect a billion people < 1363213812 870167 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, sure, but I'm questioning if the pope has much effect on (or even could have the potential to have) the question of, for example, EU agricultural politics. < 1363213816 910128 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik I've met exactly one catholic < 1363213834 592355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well how is EU agricultural politics any more or less relevant to people in #esoteric than catholicism < 1363213842 720971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's more since a bunch of people are european here but still < 1363213846 656386 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the catholic church's policy on condoms literally affects the future of an entire continent almost < 1363213880 591486 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, that was just an example. My point is that outside a few specific areas, what he says will have very little effect on non-catholics as far as I can tell < 1363213911 765256 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good point? < 1363213915 936682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a few specific huge areas??? < 1363213918 850151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except where governments with a lot of Catholic people may listen to the Pope and be swayed against things such as legalizing gay marriage < 1363213930 213117 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thgeo < 1363213943 950377 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, really? I can only think of abortion and safe sex. What am I missing? < 1363213948 482219 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"only" < 1363213957 682026 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know how many people AIDS kills dude < 1363213999 109648 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not denying they are important questions. But they are just two questions out of many. < 1363214004 88209 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about people being treated badly for something about homosexuality < 1363214015 316189 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, ah yes, good point, forgot that. < 1363214017 300369 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :human rights generally "a thing" < 1363214038 192835 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i'm sure that that the cardinal referred to an argentinian civil marriage law as being the work of Satan won't affect anything < 1363214052 820267 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, Fairly significant area indeed, good point < 1363214063 162779 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't that elliott's point < 1363214073 777411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it won't affect the majority of the world no < 1363214076 164367 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or uhh maybe someone before that < 1363214081 29477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're charismatic enough that you can take others' points, monqy. < 1363214089 535571 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a dangerous power < 1363214090 662134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :take them and mold them into beautiful birds. < 1363214174 661396 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, perhaps it is because I live in an extremely secular country (Sweden) that this seems so foreign to me. But if some priests here proclaimed such a thing, sure it would cause a bit of discussion, but eh, in the end, who would care much. < 1363214238 303689 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I consider the church over here a minority. A fairly vocal minority at times yes, but still a minority. < 1363214263 353625 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, good night < 1363214266 694936 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363214430 570797 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363214662 667189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: all i can parse out of your statement is "i do not notice when religion affects politics and daily life in my home country" < 1363214726 28663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:25:07 http://www.theonion.com/articles/focus-who-is,31657/ hth. < 1363214731 439169 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didnt get around to looking at this tab until now but its good < 1363214733 950469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad bike left already!!! < 1363214961 285863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/50/Life_expectancy_in_some_Southern_African_countries_1958_to_2003.png < 1363214961 946123 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1363214982 818113 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, why did it drop down like that < 1363215003 72494 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIV? < 1363215049 71696 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah... < 1363215090 739016 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1363215098 236146 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi nooodl < 1363215103 824797 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1363215113 752101 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What I want to know is why Uganda went so badly. < 1363215171 553857 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, Idi Amin is why. < 1363215217 545559 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idi_Amin wow stay classy dutch wikipedia < 1363215232 680556 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363215298 883440 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363215343 213006 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike welcome back < 1363215371 175070 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :helliott < 1363215377 448472 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did i miss anything remotely interesting < 1363215383 390402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:45:25 22:25:07 http://www.theonion.com/articles/focus-who-is,31657/ hth. < 1363215386 404462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:45:31 i didnt get around to looking at this tab until now but its good < 1363215389 398384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :22:45:33 too bad bike left already!!! < 1363215391 901188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1363215395 272979 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than let's see *looks at logs* death < 1363215494 720811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you also missed shitty dutch wikipedia < 1363215503 944432 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :always good to learn about death and shitty wikipediaa < 1363215526 93332 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedipodes < 1363215534 689108 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what's more fun than wikipedia orienteering? < 1363215540 262158 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia orienteering in dutch < 1363215558 120485 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i can't read this language, but i assume the text goes downhill from using a caricature as his picture < 1363215586 527531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i did was i pressed the translate button on my browser < 1363215588 496647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i live in the future < 1363215622 655762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe wikipedipodes < 1363215703 474469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_My_Defens_God_Me_Defend < 1363215709 813753 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow we have the shittiest motto < 1363215800 186512 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/articles/how-the-papal-conclave-selects-the-pope,31614/ < 1363215834 693160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1363215845 687681 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my defence God me defend And bring my sawl to ane good end ane vertuous lyf procureth ane happie death... < 1363215880 129921 :boily!~boily@modemcable028.113-83-70.mc.videotron.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1363215881 339864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scots is basically just english written by someone who hasn't quite gotten the hang of things but thinks themselves quite good anyway < 1363215885 879557 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which also describes scots themselves < 1363215892 606783 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In my defense God me defend and bring my saulle to ane guid end O Lord. < 1363215941 12636 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :chinese wikipedia is an even better challenge < 1363215946 573079 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but! the philosophy trick works < 1363215969 222430 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the philosophy trick works when you don't know what the chinese for 'Philosophy' is? < 1363215994 656593 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know chinese but i do know greek orthography < 1363216004 32412 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also the page image is called 'the death of socrates' < 1363216132 567485 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good deduction then < 1363216156 990504 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however it doesn't have the short cycle that makes philosophy an obvious terminal point < 1363216209 909631 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact I don't think it's terminal at all; I think human is. < 1363216230 507537 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now can you find an article that's terminanl for all wikipediae < 1363216236 503212 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which then leads to a very roundabout loop through the biology articles. < 1363216533 206149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: have you realised that scots are ridiculous < 1363216545 848176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you think you're a people but you're actually just fake english < 1363216573 278322 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see this is why even the english hate the english < 1363216574 640343 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have this weird urge to strangle you right now, i wonder if one of my ancestors was from scotsworld < 1363216601 296192 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it is probably because i mentioned scots, they inspire murderous rage in us all < 1363216625 147201 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never even seen braveheart < 1363216891 796348 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363216941 990827 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/Non_Cunningham more papal news < 1363216965 593941 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man i wish popes stopped being pope more often < 1363216976 163902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could make a "sports night" out of this < 1363216987 978602 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :get everyone around to watch the vatican news intensely < 1363216999 458280 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you think they do in st peter's square < 1363217005 263330 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet they have a fucking jumbotron set up < 1363217016 150393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we get sports commentators in the place where they elect the dudes < 1363217023 82855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd listen < 1363217055 830238 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's super secret, they've thrown out reporters posing as maids and shit all the time < 1363217063 713731 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they go over it with a bug detector < 1363217105 770137 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scots reminds me of old zzo < 1363217108 981989 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think attempting to get information out gets you automatically excommunicated, even if you're a cardinal < 1363217113 237202 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1363217116 707662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reporters posing as maids.................... < 1363217119 505407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you just making this shit up < 1363217146 872261 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you understand why i follow this stuff, elliott < 1363217151 432058 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is because it is balls to the wall crazy < 1363217155 815778 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are dozens of balls on that wall < 1363217162 807815 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP1rmsCPbQU < 1363217164 277444 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which wall are a we talking < 1363217164 615688 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :will this do? < 1363217169 172297 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vatican city walls < 1363217198 160913 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :They probably got found out when the see got around to doing whatever they do with the maids. < 1363217216 217442 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is that why you follow #esoteric < 1363217222 578690 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, i am referring to the servian walls < 1363217227 541387 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: finally someone gets it < 1363217243 265345 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ?? is this english < 1363217255 32900 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :destroyer of the nonce-sphere < 1363217265 354346 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're not sure whether something is english or not it's probably scots < 1363217287 430197 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :digitox, the removable hard drive planet < 1363217303 705136 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shut up you precious bellend" < 1363217307 521228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quality youtube comments < 1363217307 984180 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db41bab.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Quit: hagb4rd < 1363217331 547701 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_conclave#Expelling_the_outsiders but no, i'm quite serious < 1363217379 52868 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are very serious about their popes < 1363217380 222395 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cardinals who arrive after the conclave has begun are admitted nevertheless. An ill cardinal may leave the conclave and later be readmitted; a cardinal who leaves for any reason other than illness may not return to the conclave.[74] < 1363217390 108908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're telling me they're allowed to leave for reasons other than illness???? < 1363217396 784802 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also shouldn't they just like have a hospital ward in the building < 1363217400 640738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not dedicated enough < 1363217434 471072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only three cardinals electors are permitted to communicate with the outside world under grave circumstances, prior to approval of the College, to fulfil their duties: the Major Penitentiary, the Cardinal Vicar for the Diocese of Rome, and the Vicar General for the Vatican City State.[4] < 1363217436 443356 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hospital ward in the sistine chapel? < 1363217443 151693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what could possibly be grave enough to report to the outside world but not like < 1363217445 312683 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i think attempting to get information out gets you automatically excommunicated, even if you're a cardinal < 1363217446 147737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to leave the building < 1363217446 795582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1363217451 576092 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1363217456 590965 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :getting excommunicated is on my to do list < 1363217472 280977 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vatican architects must be quite creative < 1363217483 213028 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that they've made a deal with the mole people or something, there can't be room to build otherwise < 1363217501 713712 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Before the conclave that elected Pope Benedict XVI, the Sistine Chapel was "swept" using the latest electronic devices to detect any hidden "bugs" or surveillance devices (there were no reports that any were found, but in previous conclaves press reporters who had disguised themselves as conclave servants were discovered). Universi Dominici Gregis specifically prohibits media such as newspapers, the radio, and television.[75] Wi-Fi access is blocked < 1363217513 63528 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cut off after "Wi-Fi access is blocked" < 1363217514 270831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just completely love the catholic church's blend of existing in 2013 < 1363217518 789158 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and totally not even remotely existing in 2013 in the slightest < 1363217522 152267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wi-Fi access is blocked in Vatican City and wireless signal jammers are deployed at the Sistine Chapel to prevent any form of electronic communications to or from the Cardinal electors.[76] < 1363217537 698224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like can you even imagine a cardinal using wifi < 1363217540 14967 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's unthinkable to me < 1363217550 150487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they have iphones < 1363217554 958664 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that one of the popes in the nineteenth century banned jews from going out after dark < 1363217574 422618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good jurisdiction < 1363217575 683173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more news from xantiar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5xnznFzLek http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2o4W4-ULjM < 1363217678 793913 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lower head. i can't handle this < 1363217693 391542 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i was reading the exact same paragraph elliott < 1363217736 756246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a coinky-dink!!!!!!!!! < 1363217852 945901 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: this twitter is puzzling and i think i like it < 1363217889 760710 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it's a parody of some theologian but i don't think that's important < 1363217924 747106 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the prince is sub-lord utalax both times, phantom_hoover, it's nice to see some consistency in the news for once < 1363217928 805013 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i was thinking it might be a really cool theologician who only posts on twitter sarcastically < 1363217945 578111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i was like: probably not < 1363217950 713216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i briefly entertained the idea that they might be serious < 1363217952 891780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, i'm not sure if supercommander dek lazer is the same in both though < 1363217986 874689 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Am I the JEFF GOLDBLUM of THEOLOGY??!???" < 1363218018 124415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Fucking nihilist" "Fucking creationist" "Fucking anonymous atheist" "Fucking philosophers" "Really I just want to be the Alain de Bottom of American pseudo-intellectual evangelicalism. Is that too much to ask?" < 1363218064 358630 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Reminder: without the incarnation you CANNOT differentiate a Thai massage from MURDER-SEX." < 1363218099 772115 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me, did you know that a person named Nimrod Meggido actually exists < 1363218100 140575 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In this article I argue that secularist care more about POLAR BEARS than UNBORN BABIES (I actually make this point)" < 1363218106 931394 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Megiddo, sorry < 1363218115 218045 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's into game theory < 1363218123 519466 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alain de Bottom < 1363218170 524623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"grace makes you MORE of a GIRAFFE (i actually said this)" < 1363218225 935917 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363218251 494483 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Finding out a theological mentor is gay is like finding out your lovers vagina is made of tesco value slices of ham" < 1363218255 585952 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363218605 179846 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :better than horse meat < 1363218613 317730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i right folks? < 1363218623 570890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of all the horse meat that tesco recently sold < 1363218626 812123 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I would rather eat human reproductive organs than horses. < 1363218636 596236 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363218646 974264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there something you know about 'value slices of ham' that i don't < 1363218680 33050 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a virgin? Then yes. < 1363218688 576301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1363218713 837189 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you a third degree SexMaster yet? < 1363218753 462140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You too can become a Third Degree SexMaster™ for only $29.95 < 1363218786 471072 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this scientology < 1363218793 741434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sexentology < 1363219080 458548 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the same site has articles titled "WATCH: Halle Berry’s Cleavage Stole The Show Last Night On Leno" and "Pope Francis I Is No Fan Of Homosexuality, Abortion, Contraception, And Same-Sex Adoption" < 1363219100 200986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it buzzfeed < 1363219120 674367 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mediaite, so probably yes? I don't know. < 1363219149 171615 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh nice, he called gay marriage "a real and dire anthropological throwback" < 1363219172 452605 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks, american anthropological association, for giving me something to cite for this shit < 1363219212 216231 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aaanet.org/issues/policy-advocacy/Statement-on-Marriage-and-the-family.cfm `-` < 1363219230 263412 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google Reader is shutting down :( < 1363219247 811743 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nice XD < 1363219286 776937 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like come on, don't say "anthropology" if you don't know shit about it, how hard is that < 1363219289 612623 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Google Reader? < 1363219298 645212 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's RSS reader service < 1363219334 906904 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't you use uh... thunderbird or something < 1363219351 171805 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes Bike, there exist multiple RSS readers < 1363219359 559925 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't mean that the death of one RSS reader is insignificant < 1363219368 422210 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The problem with any non-cloud RSS reader for me is that computers don't seem to last long in my hands. < 1363219372 37121 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"GMail is shutting down" "WELL JUST RUN YOUR DOWN DNS AND MX, LOSER" < 1363219376 915874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :own* < 1363219379 289168 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, ok, i get it < 1363219380 85874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are anthropologists nice people < 1363219388 174863 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit, now I need a new RSS reader. < 1363219398 97410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah, the hosted service is super useful < 1363219411 503895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might be an impetus for me to make my own strange RSS reader with various features i've wanted < 1363219414 647714 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: now that they've mostly gotten over the vast galloping racism, yeah they're pretty cool. i had a professor who worked in the caribbean making oil shirtless with the people he was studying < 1363219424 112892 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the HN spamfiltered tricklefeed < 1363219442 484540 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least I'll be abandoning a misfeature of Google Reader: The whole "You haven't read it after 30 days? Guess what, you have!" thing < 1363219461 262870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i never knew racism could gallop < 1363219491 743966 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should steal my rss strategy < 1363219493 182645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's to not use it < 1363219499 91408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1363219509 85295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just have Sgeo ping me on IRC whenevr any of my webcomics update < 1363219524 455046 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Jean_Louis_Th%C3%A9odore_G%C3%A9ricault_001.jpg artists' depiction of galloping racists < 1363219536 727788 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEY NOW you said galloping racism not galloping racists < 1363219542 63629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :refund pls??? < 1363219562 603441 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"racism" is the plural of "racist", which is the kind of hovervehicle depicted in this image < 1363219580 406541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ok < 1363219588 181986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1363219615 522337 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'll ask what my friend who actually uses rss uses as a reader, in order to atone for my sins < 1363220017 980356 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363220175 867010 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363221321 301189 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should continue reading about OI < 1363221322 143754 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363221353 376826 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363221388 709184 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the comonad? < 1363221404 920817 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1363221416 469185 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott keeps saying it doesn't work, but I'd love to know what 'it' is < 1363221430 728105 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, what would an "OI a" be? < 1363221431 750439 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle comonad < 1363221432 88486 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :package comonad < 1363221432 241944 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :package comonad-extras < 1363221432 392127 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :package comonad-random < 1363221450 263551 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't it be an "a" along with the entire universe? < 1363221455 3984 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can't really pass the universe around. < 1363221556 750907 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hands tswett a frog < 1363221565 179303 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stand corrected. < 1363221597 868107 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://comonad.com/reader/2011/free-monads-for-less-3/ "[The second problem with RealWorld is], you don't really get to pass the real world around! We have multiple cores working these days." < 1363221598 349095 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :give me a comonad and a place to stand, and i will lift the RealWorld < 1363221615 190165 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the implication that before multi-core processors came about, it was possible to pass the real world around. < 1363221632 596181 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn multicores ruining everything. < 1363221675 486383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to watch a video on Idris then continue reading the OI paper < 1363221696 558043 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh the video is an hour long < 1363221700 711774 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1363221753 27533 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no followers on my sideblog, even :< < 1363221775 717690 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it would help if i knew it existed < 1363221782 229826 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. I thought I mentioned it to you < 1363221784 72386 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like just put a thing on your blog saying "hey nerds get the fuck over here" < 1363221785 384896 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, btw, you may like this http://www.fpgarelated.com/showarticle/44.php < 1363221787 704897 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiorasm.tumblr.com < 1363221790 330156 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your main blog, i mean < 1363221794 702669 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363221841 60914 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because otherwise nobody will know it exists < 1363221848 828659 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you will be asming in the æther < 1363222115 800774 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This paper seems a bit... off < 1363222128 79663 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, hmm < 1363222130 34559 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: so how was the interview? < 1363222141 809171 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, it went well, I ... think, not sure though < 1363222173 809312 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah nobody's ever certain < 1363222192 341162 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did she say anything about your shampoo? < 1363222193 474050 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, this paper keeps calling bind impure < 1363222197 336548 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen, he, and no. < 1363222217 776924 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, like >>= bind? < 1363222240 901860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363222280 93743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'm not quite grasping its terminology < 1363222324 806426 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err.... < 1363222357 389716 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Typically, IO operations of a Haskell program are performed in the main module, which has the type () -> IO()." < 1363222363 371721 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c00kiemon5ter: that whole thing seems kind of weird... I guess it's trying to find a better way to code 'call' instructions, but it never talks about any other instructions on the machine...? < 1363222378 975953 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i thought main was IO ()? < 1363222382 628697 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it is < 1363222395 593430 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's not a module? < 1363222401 916686 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a module < 1363222412 680382 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, main is typically found in a module called Main, but... < 1363222426 386838 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't know if that's always the case < 1363222426 873777 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is kinda cool? but I think calls are only a couple percent of code size < 1363222432 364939 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd guess jumps are a lot more < 1363222434 593863 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking about modules as in ringy vector spaces < 1363222442 786500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, we are talking Haskell < 1363222443 605587 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only. < 1363222450 667432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: yes. < 1363222451 600007 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And this paper is making me go "er..." a lot < 1363222452 611428 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules in fact. < 1363222476 974432 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you know it's a good paper when it starts out by talking about totally unrelated bullshit about technology adoption < 1363222497 688517 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was really expecting something more interesting when i looked up what modules were) < 1363222519 751414 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nothing is interesting < 1363222522 679738 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is interesting < 1363222594 520871 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just like, the idea for a 'table' of calls is kind of cool, but it feels like it wouldn't actually help that much, and it's only like, a tiny part of what defines a processor < 1363222633 541073 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well he does say it's a minor component. < 1363222635 263593 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be misreading it though, since it seems to be implying there's some larger impact (?) < 1363222649 946248 :boily!~boily@modemcable028.113-83-70.mc.videotron.ca QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1363222653 718439 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I'm also a little confused by "interpreters" that don't execute any instructions <.< < 1363222741 949662 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where the bullshit comes in < 1363222863 827768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, have you been watching PMMM? I'm about to watch second ep. of Farscape < 1363222870 49811 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363222875 806635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i especially liked that part where... < 1363222913 525669 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was a good part < 1363223255 783234 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, ok i'll admit, i haven't < 1363223266 761014 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry for fooling you < 1363223296 607300 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :honesty is the best policy < 1363223303 826784 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :now go watch it sillybutt :p < 1363223309 551161 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i thought you were referring to That Spoiler < 1363223320 321128 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i don't know what it is but everybody sure gets excited about it < 1363223374 751092 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,1$character dies < 1363223382 866682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1363223384 684277 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no!! < 1363223411 60284 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1,1$character was my favorite :( < 1363223438 479403 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's face it, it would just be a letdown after farscape < 1363223442 396494 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo and when except saturday turkeys < 1363223525 934239 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott i don't think you actually said anything < 1363223542 347485 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phantiieee you should watch it < 1363223543 730248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how dare you bike, i said that which is ! < 1363223549 477938 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said 'imo and when except saturday turkeys' < 1363223558 759353 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(rle'd) < 1363223569 372435 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363223587 655292 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«what our Vatican analyst calls a «hinge point»» who the hell does NBC hire < 1363223631 755936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who quote with «these stupid things» < 1363223649 903837 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they interviewed a white american guy to say that it was great for latin america < 1363223667 698655 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott’s “ ” and the others’ “00,00something (if i got the color code right)” look different in my terminal. < 1363223671 975929 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, i didn’t. < 1363223677 887193 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :01,01blah ok < 1363223686 120938 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, don't make fun of my luxembourgish heritage :( < 1363223693 266117 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think elliott was using spaces and I was doing 0,0this < 1363223711 65706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm literally having to clear my terminal so i don't highlight things because i hate seeing spoilers for anything < 1363223719 683724 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo torture < 1363223725 995921 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler: we are talking < 1363223729 694720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!!!!!!!! < 1363223732 709946 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how DARE you < 1363223735 947754 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::3 < 1363223737 76387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, moby dick dies < 1363223753 4539 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: (just to be fair I'm not actually posting any spoilers) < 1363223755 464991 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a joke) < 1363223758 323764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck < 1363223761 693780 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry ._. < 1363223762 230540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now my mockery < 1363223764 387582 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems stupid < 1363223767 452402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it was just repetition instead < 1363223771 693534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora i'm going to have to arrest you < 1363223779 501276 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides under a blanket < 1363223780 662062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for crimes against humanity < 1363223784 406192 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't see me you can't arrest meeeee < 1363223791 564639 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i admit < 1363223804 325466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the legal system has yet to find a way to deal with such new forms of jail avoidance < 1363223819 696881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but when we do you are getting locked up < 1363223829 822306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :more importantly: Fiora lives on an island, we all know what elliott's like with those < 1363223831 587982 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In spoilerjail? < 1363223843 742267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where does fiora live again < 1363223844 585057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fiora < 1363223847 636341 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora is from some island somewhere. She just doesn't want to be bothered, as she works out her domination plan as immortal queen of the dragons. < 1363223852 619321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, some island somewhere < 1363223858 822689 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's nice in the summer < 1363223865 116561 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the fall, though not the winter < 1363223870 412253 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok at best in the spring < 1363223871 46413 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what @_@ < 1363223874 671201 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, can we get a better definition < 1363223896 662218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree, we should make it more specific < 1363223899 316643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it guam < 1363223899 615714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen... anyone else's definitions < 1363223911 752327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well except elliott's, his is biased < 1363223920 371021 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat "Fiora is from some island south of that other place with the cats. She just doesn't want to be bothered, as she works out her domination plan as immortal queen of the dragons." > wisdom/fiora < 1363223922 694457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't actually write mine < 1363223925 15723 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: Fiora is from some island south of that other place with the cats. She just doesn't want to be bothered, as she works out her domination plan as immortal queen of the dragons.: No such file or directory < 1363223927 575065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the best thing about it < 1363223929 164422 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow good job me < 1363223931 776901 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :from another place thing < 1363223932 284272 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hi have you heard of echo < 1363223932 787801 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am a unix master < 1363223935 256748 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shoujo, JRPG, strategy, and otome game fangirl. Extended exposure may necessitate insulin. Engages Nitya^H^H^H^H^HBike, her putative genderswap, in jargony conversations of doom." < 1363223947 97059 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora that seems entirely too helpful < 1363223948 383019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :entries aren't allowed to be accurate Fiora < 1363223948 572741 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :observe: < 1363223951 1764 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? bike < 1363223954 88584 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is from Luxembourg. < 1363223958 272162 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1363223960 536009 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what about mine... < 1363223967 853851 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The specificity in my location means it can't be about anything else. < 1363223968 3860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can falsify it from somewhere between a bit to all of it then we could use it < 1363223984 101527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Phantom_Hoover < 1363223986 567848 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist. < 1363223991 313991 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about, "Extended exposure my necessitate BZ" < 1363223993 741418 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :may* < 1363223996 47402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :BZ? < 1363223997 989323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well there are no true scotsmen < 1363224023 702672 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3-Quinuclidinyl_benzilate has been referred to in the media as "zombie gas' < 1363224070 649910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you expect from the media < 1363224070 800142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has anyone used it recreationally yet < 1363224138 683228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: what's it like in luxembourg by the way < 1363224148 946875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :adequate < 1363224159 633890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? luxembourg < 1363224162 158739 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :luxembourg? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1363224164 776691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Luxembourg is adequate. < 1363224171 173046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1363224172 268569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all in a day's work < 1363224193 586901 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: also you should use ^W instead of ^H, it's the wave of the future. < 1363224241 248173 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shoujo, JRPG, strategy, and otome game fangirl. Putative genderswap of Bike. Extended exposure may necessitate insulin (and possibly x86 assembly manuals). Is actually a human/cat hybrid." < 1363224273 968866 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION not very good at this < 1363224291 805193 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Fiora not very good at this < 1363224296 522113 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1363224328 721283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Fiora is a stack of assembly manuals done up in shoujo makeup. < 1363224329 212348 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :~_~ < 1363224335 374132 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is not truueueeeee < 1363224336 183946 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1363224362 863348 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, yeah, I figure I should suppress knowledge of your true nature as queen of the dragons. < 1363224368 493771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have we found any true information in the wisdom db yet < 1363224379 338493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Fiora has no adequate wisdom entry < 1363224379 948420 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? itidus21 < 1363224384 550914 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21 just made some instant coffee. < 1363224387 391088 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1363224392 498609 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he only just made it in the past though < 1363224400 327370 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1363224406 430443 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1363224408 830207 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian. < 1363224417 300208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that one seems mostly accurate I guess < 1363224423 123253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1363224426 144472 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1363224432 504425 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`forget Fiora < 1363224433 625824 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember `? elliott being accurate last i checked < 1363224435 903208 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Forget what? < 1363224438 378893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally a 100% true wisdom db entry < 1363224471 763585 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora, well, you've just gotta make it funny. < 1363224478 769007 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and otome games are way too serious to joke about. < 1363224540 194728 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this some esoteric "nerd culture" thing < 1363224551 33257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say yes < 1363224573 863153 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk about how I'm actually a magical girl cat princess who stalks the streets at night to defeat evildoers with the power of love and SSE < 1363224576 235824 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worse - the animes < 1363224603 36701 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fanfiction is also too serious fiora < 1363224603 194763 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that sounds pretty "nerd culture" to me < 1363224632 293976 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, stop saying that when kmc's online < 1363224676 414210 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: homestuck shipping is totally serious < 1363224680 123500 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :freakin' vriskapolagists < 1363224695 241921 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: which part < 1363224712 812053 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Fiora is a freakin' vriskapologist. < 1363224717 396456 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1363224724 624353 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :biiiike < 1363224729 436303 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :vriskapologists? < 1363224732 3702 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a sgeo thing < 1363224739 686138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you hate vriska < 1363224767 322218 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no she's one of my favorite characters <.< < 1363224773 266027 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was making a joke about a dumb drama thing < 1363224782 160891 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? freakin' vriskaapologist. < 1363224787 554186 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :biiiiikeeeeeee < 1363224802 922369 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, dumb drama things . . . < 1363224833 147378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy your ellipsis is falling apart < 1363224839 429844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it needs a doctor < 1363224848 19316 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :woops… < 1363224876 800222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better < 1363224930 456196 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm going to assume that drawing out my name is some kind of gesture of affection and approval of my fiorology < 1363224968 556175 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiorology? @_@ < 1363224992 689743 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :formal study of fioro < 1363225015 877458 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiorology n. (1) the study of Fioras (2) the study of fioro (3) nickname for Idi Amin < 1363225055 662658 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you must have been using (3) there < 1363225079 901382 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's hosing whom down with BZ now < 1363225083 713316 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. what are you trying to study about me < 1363225147 695301 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wisdom, dera. < 1363225150 757831 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear. < 1363225152 497329 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why you're associated with idi amin < 1363225156 431610 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :erda < 1363225214 447104 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read, dare, rade < 1363225238 964990 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to walk home < 1363225275 588225 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363225312 628617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, is Chrighton assuming that these replicant things are dumb? < 1363225323 147040 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then again, they are... why reveal that they could do what they did < 1363225364 33709 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only barely remember the start of season 1 < 1363225514 732129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you a replican or a replicant < 1363225542 475324 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363225568 149948 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :repuplicant < 1363225667 603783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf the video restarted to the beginning < 1363225709 326803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: why are you always complaining about me complaining about things < 1363225709 642461 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you put it on "loop" < 1363225860 477576 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, because you're always complaining about things < 1363226367 861943 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll start complaining about how you're always complaining about me complaining about things < 1363226387 804245 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then start complaining about how that's a cheap, trite form of meta-humor < 1363226425 639572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry this whole conversation has become obnoxiously meta < 1363226460 526104 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we not do the thing where we attempt to gain the upper hand by standing on each other's feet < 1363226488 759866 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now kiss! < 1363226510 309581 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is the natural consequence of the overall tactic, yes < 1363226592 568328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't kiss people who i've never seen in person < 1363226610 27741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a ghost hoover < 1363226614 683578 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you pretty much know what you're getting < 1363226621 376355 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a gay vampire < 1363226639 549581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Casper The Homosexual Friendly Ghost? < 1363226666 552869 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's a wesley willis song folks) < 1363226668 639475 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 out of 4 is... average, i guess < 1363226680 325099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 whats out of 4 whats < 1363226692 837042 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc's #esoteric cultural enrichment program < 1363226702 353106 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :2 of the 4 central properties of hoover < 1363226705 153175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cultural revolution more like < 1363226763 450155 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oooh do we have any statues, I want to destroy a statue. < 1363226769 461233 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey guys remember when idi amin was the topic for like three minutes < 1363226770 68848 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet elliott's a statue. < 1363226773 932535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which hoover we talking about? phantom? herbert? j. edgar? the guy who invented the vacuum cleaner who wasn't actually named hoover? < 1363226794 69206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just remembered you should totally click this and read it http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2002/jun/11/features11.g21 < 1363226799 747705 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we're talking about people i don't want to kiss i'm going to have to go with j. < 1363226816 693982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in which a respected british journalist says "guys i got the chance to shoot that guy and i didn't, sorry, i fucked up" < 1363226820 617005 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1363226821 951612 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, w.d. 'boss' hoover was the hoover guy < 1363226834 820471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the best article < 1363226849 661112 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bravado failed him < 1363226905 410439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1363226911 74907 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an article, yikes < 1363226924 54232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i too have failed to follow through on various fantasies of killing my fellow passengers while traveling in various conveyances < 1363226926 834563 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally a paragraph about killing a guy < 1363226950 178709 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it would almost make sense as a lead in to a longer article about amin? but nope just yeah i coulda shot that guy < 1363226952 103776 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not killing a guy < 1363226960 846498 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, maybe it was a letter < 1363226968 675976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was going to start an ethics discussion about murdering an evil dictator in cold blood, but then I remembered that was an episode of House and it wasn't very good < 1363227038 815722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the house episode may have been inspired by that possibly < 1363227044 193057 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we talk about compiling a list of historical hoovers < 1363227054 961340 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :historical hoovers < 1363227057 879702 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the difficulties thereof < 1363227065 324882 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were locked in an elevator with idi amin, jon snow, and simon peyton jones, who would you fuck, who would you kill, and who would you marry? < 1363227075 117985 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1363227111 543482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: the closest thing to a prominent female hoover is miss hoover from the simpsons < 1363227133 937914 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i have to do all 3 of those to get out of the elevator < 1363227139 29079 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do i get out of the elevator at all < 1363227142 270662 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i kill myself < 1363227164 217554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :suicide is not the answer monqy < 1363227165 544227 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're all in the elevator forever they're pretty much dead anyway < 1363227173 563017 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless the question is "what is killing yourself called" < 1363227177 268854 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to do all three, in order, without leaving the elevator. After accomplishing all three you will be released. < 1363227194 240234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :will the two you didn't kill be released < 1363227204 970362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you allowed to select the same person for two of them < 1363227206 782529 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you're married to one of them now < 1363227210 719871 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i do all 3 to the same person < 1363227210 988585 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imprisoned forever < 1363227214 305834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a tragically short marraige < 1363227215 353871 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1363227215 563810 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :can i do all 3 to myself??? < 1363227218 420852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instant divorce < 1363227219 740831 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1363227241 156434 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the elevator a valid option for any of the three < 1363227304 348877 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who's jon snow < 1363227318 507086 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the channel 4 news guy < 1363227341 595350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly finding videos of him on youtube is difficult < 1363227352 746738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel 4... oh, you mean in Britain where there are only 4 channels and one is literally named "Channel 4" < 1363227354 723806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=jon+snow&hl=en&safe=off&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=nDBBUczLO-yX0QWTr4HABQ&ved=0CFsQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=996 < 1363227359 136657 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hint: it's NOT most of these < 1363227364 54937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :helping < 1363227373 990993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WUSV6DRH5w < 1363227377 321983 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: there are actually 5 channels < 1363227379 950866 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :illustrative example < 1363227380 548485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fifth one is named Channel 5 < 1363227384 884285 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, no there aren't < 1363227396 249650 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: we have to face the harsh reality < 1363227402 27450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel 5 won't go away no matter how much we want it to < 1363227403 56560 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we didn't have channel 5 when i were a lad and i'm perfectly happy to leave it that way < 1363227406 369059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i cannot watch your video due to a sudden case of Shockwave Flash Crashingitis < 1363227413 404696 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank god it's Phantom_Hoover's video then < 1363227427 654871 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i see an opportunity for unwarranted smugness < 1363227432 114629 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's channel 5 < 1363227435 874324 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um don't you have the html5 player enabled :) < 1363227439 521074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um don't you use youtube-dl :) < 1363227448 65526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it's the fifth channel < 1363227454 955138 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like Vorpal is still with us < 1363227456 176704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one you get to by pressing 5 on your remote, if you tuned your tv correctly < 1363227475 964617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: that accident in which he died by fucking, marrying, and then killing an elevator was so tragic :( < 1363227511 341097 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we still have his scsi port to remember him by, though < 1363227513 314563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: also it comes after channel 4 < 1363227513 464642 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was fuck, then kill, then marry < 1363227520 62912 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is doing it out of order why he died < 1363227523 58883 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we can never be sure < 1363227534 563685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :both his and the elevator's corpse were too mangled to tell :( < 1363227552 942317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i feel the need to give an impromptu lesson about our tv channels < 1363227561 592817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the first channel (1) is BBC1 < 1363227573 614029 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i think i found channel 5 < 1363227575 419779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the second channel (2) is BBC2, it's like BBC1 with slightly higher standards < 1363227587 630427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the third channel (3) is ITV1, it's not terribly good < 1363227600 221449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fourth channel (4) is Channel 4 and it's pretty cool < 1363227606 979633 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the fifth channel (5) is Channel 5 and we don't like to talk about it < 1363227615 210090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :BBC1 and BBC2 don't have any adverts because of communism < 1363227617 611263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest do < 1363227627 411187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1363227629 680758 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did i forget anything < 1363227635 111698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey isn't ITV1 called something wacky in scotland < 1363227643 73495 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and doesn't 4 have like a different schedule or something < 1363227652 835187 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :channel 5 mostly lives off the scraps of programmes the better channels cast off and the fungus that grows on parts of its body < 1363227653 455231 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 looks like where they run their uhh < 1363227664 380597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: also bad US shows!! < 1363227667 873316 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :csi, men in black 2, more csi < 1363227673 403828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh Peep Show is on Channel 4 < 1363227674 250279 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, it's called stv in scotland (and utv in ni) < 1363227676 427326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you looking at uk tv listings monqy < 1363227676 982547 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :celebrity big brother < 1363227678 135527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my opinion of Channel 4 instantly exists < 1363227684 315289 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's called wtv in wales because who cares < 1363227695 147164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: channel 4 is the ~edgy~ channel of the five channels that exist < 1363227695 297291 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not quite < 1363227701 528707 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, channel 4 did a bunch of good comedy series < 1363227713 59903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: are you looking at the channel five website < 1363227723 46760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of linehan's work, darkplace, spaced, i think brass eye and jam < 1363227723 196991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh let me tell you more things about channel 5 < 1363227728 252463 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For kids programme's starting at 6 am they have Milkshake! showing Thomas and Friends, The Beeps,The WotWots, Peppa Pig, Castle Farm, Little Princess, Ben and Holly's Little Kingdom, The Mr. Men Show, Noddy in Toyland, Fifi and the Flowertots, Roary the Racing Car, Bert and Ernie and Bananas in Pyjamas. < 1363227737 153643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which i suspect you might not believe -- monqy: i used to watch that when i was real young -- < 1363227745 416283 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whether jam is a good comedy series is a matter of some debate) < 1363227756 901830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok so < 1363227764 362538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when channel 5 first started existing in 1997 it was called channel 5 < 1363227768 392638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Spaced is OK, Brass Eye I hear is good, the others I don't know < 1363227773 331728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then they renamed it to "five" < 1363227775 740145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott < 1363227785 820298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then a rich guy bought it out < 1363227787 216024 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc just called Spaced ok < 1363227793 85480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decided "five" was a stupi dname < 1363227796 950305 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and renamed it back to "Channel 5" < 1363227799 826683 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shake! made a return to the channel on 4 October 2009 every Sunday morning after agreeing a deal with Disney. The block features Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place and Snobs. It also saw the return of Channel 5's hit teen show The Tribe. < 1363227804 835830 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit teen show < 1363227808 481972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has literally gone through two renamings without getting more descriptive than the fifth number < 1363227814 506767 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been watching An Idiot Abroad... that's on Sky1 in HD (pronounced haitch-dee of course) < 1363227827 945651 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Tribe is a New Zealand/British post-apocalyptic fictional TV series primarily aimed at teenagers. It is set in a near-future in which all adults have been wiped out by a deadly virus, leaving the children of the world to fend for themselves. < 1363227831 343126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry but the channels on sky don't 'actually' 'exist' < 1363227834 609653 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not strictly television, they're 'sky' < 1363227836 54637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh elliott 5 is the sixth number < 1363227841 119121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1363227849 51450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the influence of those goddamn mathematicians i swear < 1363227857 460235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1363227861 676603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you know what order i was using checkmate?? < 1363227865 541728 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, (also jam is a deeply disturbing surrealist thing chris morris did) < 1363227866 846835 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1363227871 518406 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Series 4 begins just as the Technos are starting their invasion. They possess advanced technology and the Mall Rats are helpless against them. < 1363227884 302925 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Series 5, Mega becomes the new leader of the Technos. He has plans to take over the City and is helped by Java, who manipulates Ebony's mind with virtual reality. Ebony, believing Zoot has come back, with her sisters, Java and Siva, create a new Tribe, the Zootists, and take control of the outside of the City. < 1363227887 896397 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: btw i think spaced was a bit better than ok if i remember correctly, by the way Phantom_Hoover would kill me if i didn't say this < 1363227891 784872 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: jon snow wrote the shooting amin article < 1363227893 743209 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i don't know how to describe it any better beyond the fact that i mostly just found it relaxing, which is itself fairly disturbing) < 1363227900 361949 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott i dont see how any channel with this on it could be bad < 1363227907 192948 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ok we can 'agree to disagree' < 1363227913 698166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i haven't seen that many eps. so maybe it gets better < 1363227923 970270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is just one of those things that magically becomes hilarious after you've seen a lot of it < 1363227924 120489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: uh haven't you ever heard of aumann's agreement theorem < 1363227927 599682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :without getting better at any point < 1363227929 651604 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like jerkcity < 1363227934 918140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the essential problem is that you're not british < 1363227935 759815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1363227937 498294 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :try fixing that < 1363227940 588227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1363227967 78120 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ved starts a relationship with Mall Rat Cloe but when she tells him she is pregnant, he immediately dumps her. < 1363227969 486209 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that said < 1363227976 677860 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :realistic teen drama man < 1363227981 191747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm ok with calling spaced shit because thingy whats his name is now in that new star trek film which has < 1363227982 494050 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this s*** is relatable < 1363227984 211869 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stupidest < 1363227984 364176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :name < 1363227985 560852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of all time < 1363227988 200489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucking < 1363227988 350490 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all rat cloe < 1363227995 508266 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it stupider than Mall Rat Cloe < 1363228009 255784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, i think if you didn't find the first 2 episodes funny you probably won't like the rest < 1363228009 719176 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys its literally called "star trek into darkness" they,re using trek as a VERB < 1363228016 719180 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't know how much this makes me suffer < 1363228023 658063 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what are they using 'star' as... < 1363228031 935324 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adverb. < 1363228032 257895 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cloe becomes addicted to reality space and whilst playing the game, vanishes. Ved is distraught as he actually loved her. < 1363228035 669859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like Peep Show and TM&WL and Spaced and TToI and Extras and An Idiot Abroad and most of the other things Gervais and Merchant have done, but I don't like the UK version of The Office which I'm told means I don't "get" British comedy < 1363228039 788338 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to boldly trek where none had trekked before < 1363228041 626903 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is 'trek' imperative? < 1363228048 756051 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1363228051 417712 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they ordering a star to trek into darkness < 1363228057 709469 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly to illuminate its contents < 1363228062 904241 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, that would be "Star, Trek Into Darkness". < 1363228063 870830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm wait < 1363228066 435706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok maybe i like the title because < 1363228073 231033 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Star is definitely an adverb. < 1363228074 734944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's going to be a really forced moment where they try to get the title into dialogue < 1363228076 202609 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :alternately: it's an allegory for what they're doing to cumberbatch and pegg < 1363228076 797431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Start Rekin To Darkness < 1363228078 170099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll be so bad < 1363228080 29606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it'll all be worth it < 1363228106 125398 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"this journey you're taking, to a place that's so dark... are you guys on some kind of... star trek... into darkness???? [beat]" < 1363228108 54550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: shit, man, i'm a natural born killer < 1363228135 552562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8ViTp9uur8 < 1363228145 651204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: btw what show is this < 1363228146 144908 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everyone thinks that Bray is the father of Trudy's baby; however, Bray's brother, Zoot, is the father. < 1363228166 488525 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Tribe_(TV_series) i found it from the channel 5 programming article < 1363228179 312963 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Shake! made a return to the channel on 4 October 2009 every Sunday morning after agreeing a deal with Disney. The block features Hannah Montana, Wizards of Waverly Place and Snobs. It also saw the return of Channel 5's hit teen show The Tribe. < 1363228183 542714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, do you remember shitty children's dramas < 1363228187 556196 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hit teen show!!!!! < 1363228203 893168 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: sort of kind of < 1363228207 244183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :be more specific and it might become a yes < 1363228231 171690 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In 1998, the channel began to show more risqué late-night programmes such as Compromising Situations, Hotline and the controversially explicit Sex and Shopping. In 1999, there was a large increase in adult entertainment shown on the channel, including UK Raw and Red Shoe Diaries, giving the channel a reputation for being home to hours of pornography. < 1363228237 263843 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you channel 5 < 1363228257 717046 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adult entertainment, live football, and the 21:00 films were the main source of viewing for the channel, causing then-director of programming Dawn Airey to stress that Channel 5 was about "more than just films, football and fucking!", though this quote is still often misquoted as a description of the channel's programming strategy rather than as a denial of that strategy. < 1363228264 10712 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see why you say channel 5 is bad now < 1363228282 647087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Sex and Shopping' < 1363228284 948606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this show about < 1363228287 671291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean besides the obvious < 1363228299 162005 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sex and Shopping was a documentary series on the global sex industry. The series examines contemporary attitudes concerning commercial sex, censorship and experimentation. < 1363228312 91140 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex shopping, i guess < 1363228312 575270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah well < 1363228317 146185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a lot more highbrow than I was expecting < 1363228322 633509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd prefer a show that's just like half about sex, half about shopping < 1363228323 604584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bit of a bait and switch really < 1363228325 817344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no relation between the two < 1363228331 731810 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the same people < 1363228336 367159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1363228344 453899 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The channel attracted some controversy for its reality series The Farm in 2004 and 2005.[42] The show, which revolved around celebrities working on a farm, saw Rebecca Loos masturbating a pig in order to collect semen. < 1363228349 94531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :captures the core sex/shopping demogrpahic < 1363228364 657422 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :british tv sounds pretty awesome, not gonna lie < 1363228371 635926 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: not to be confused with the ill fated Dwight-centric 2013 spinoff of The Office (US), also titled The Farm < 1363228374 567215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(srsly) < 1363228386 863414 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1363228394 7120 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also The level of adult entertainment was scaled back, and reality shows such as Naked Jungle and The Mole proved popular. However, other reality shows such as Touch the Truck and Jailbreak were less successful. < 1363228397 586842 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In October 2004, she appeared on the reality television programme The Farm, a Channel 5 version of the RTE show Celebrity Farm, in the course of which she masturbated a boar to collect its semen.[10] The Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals accused producers of pandering to a morbid and sordid fascination with farm animals while PETA and Mediawatch-uk demanded the show be taken off the air." < 1363228397 737017 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FarmSpace < 1363228404 388358 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im really curious about what touch the truck is about < 1363228406 266267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the worst thing about british tv is that bbc don't have adverts < 1363228409 841436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like < 1363228415 833640 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get taxed, right? < 1363228418 961482 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1363228421 521161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does if you watch via Hulu :) < 1363228422 374431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes it's a tv license thing < 1363228423 706228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1363228425 806729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to pay a tv licence < 1363228425 956990 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuckin' socialist < 1363228427 659629 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1363228432 558659 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hamlet (starring doctor who as hamlet) they did recently < 1363228433 339515 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was like < 1363228435 967110 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :four hours < 1363228439 43991 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by recently i mean years ago btw < 1363228448 142876 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, like, brannagh's? < 1363228454 536437 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are not peeing during hamlet < 1363228457 742332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bbc will not allow it to happen < 1363228466 778523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however the attitude of the tv licensing agency is 'you have a tv and if you aren't paying you're probably hiding one' < 1363228468 944585 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the irony being that the original play has an intermission doesn't it < 1363228476 264258 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i was hoping there would be an intermission < 1363228477 286325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was not < 1363228482 102266 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good job bbc < 1363228482 942370 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got a letter about it, it was amazing < 1363228483 390179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1449175/ this one < 1363228489 808627 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :way to piss on shakespeare < 1363228503 167069 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Touch the Truck was a British Channel 5 endurance gameshow which aired in 2001. < 1363228506 1638 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was hosted by Dale Winton[1] and involved a group of 20 contestants holding onto a truck with the last person left touching the truck winning it. < 1363228511 78729 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't watch live feeds from the iplayer, but you /can/ watch tv if it's on a device without an antenna or mains power < 1363228525 231393 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is "Modern" about it < 1363228527 35727 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that last part is also only if your parents have a tv licence < 1363228528 494323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also featured in that hamlet: david tennant saying "did you think i meant country matters" in the most explicit way he can think of < 1363228532 335521 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jerry Middleton, 39, from Winchester, Hampshire, was the winner who managed to stay awake touching the vehicle for 81 hours 43 minutes and 31 seconds. < 1363228541 486311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: failing to bring a pee bucket to Hamlet is a noob mistake < 1363228547 955226 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was like COUNT......rrry matters < 1363228571 371772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it was modern because it had cctv cameras and a gun < 1363228600 659024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that show should have been called Don't Not Touch The Truck < 1363228604 485665 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my favorite hamlet adaptations are the modern ones < 1363228612 973165 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was one where Osric was played by a fax machine < 1363228615 675556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wow i just looked at those lines < 1363228625 619603 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boring spammer etc http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:JohannaGE < 1363228631 190444 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i've been sitting here laughing at monqy's quotes for like twenty minutes now < 1363228631 836482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also when you say "starring doctor who as hamlet" I assume you mean that the BBC did a serious 4 hour adaptation of Hamlet but then at the end when Hamlet dies (spoiler) he gets up and is like "welp, I'm a time lord" and flies off < 1363228634 303883 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1363228636 463852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: is it just me or is david tennant totally doomed < 1363228636 727821 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A 2001 movie, The Safety of Objects recounts what seems to be exactly a "Touch the Truck" show -- which even relates to the plot. The film chronicles a mother's mental voyage from the losing of his firstborn son to coma till the detachment from him ending in his mercy killing. And the show connects to this as the sleep withdrawn, delirious mother realizes that she'd still have her son if they < 1363228642 771435 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hadn't had a car -- and abruptly leaves hold of the truck. < 1363228642 967634 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like there is literally nothing he can do < 1363228646 132224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that won't look like the doctor < 1363228663 841050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you just trying to satisfy your desire to see all scotsmen fail in life < 1363228666 471470 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well doctor who could be in any time < 1363228679 539274 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah exactly < 1363228686 439957 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think this through, elliott < 1363228694 786012 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :BADGE PROGRESS: < 1363228694 936113 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Long Term Relationship < 1363228694 936332 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Have sex with a single pony one thousand times.” < 1363228694 936450 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :1/1,000 < 1363228696 681832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe dr who was shakespeare < 1363228707 763393 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :[beaton comic] < 1363228711 703250 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: deep < 1363228712 655809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: not the girl scouts I signed up for < 1363228734 545460 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you guys seen that film "romeo + juliet" < 1363228736 788051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of ridiculous < 1363228744 700094 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is that < 1363228747 261332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(SPEAKING OF MODERNISED SHAKESPEARE ADAPTATIONS THAT STILL USE THE ORIGINAL DIALOGUE,) < 1363228750 110344 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is it the beach one < 1363228754 403600 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: its the one with leonardo dicapriorefjo < 1363228756 353348 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Romeo Plus Juliet? < 1363228769 232138 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know who that is < 1363228769 847354 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have watched that film so many fucking times < 1363228772 332167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its that guy < 1363228777 637354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :who,s in them films < 1363228781 29558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have spent so many fucking years of my life covering that play < 1363228784 15504 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :romeo + juliet is great sorry < 1363228792 853406 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRAW YOUR SWORD *pulls out a gun, of the Sword brand* < 1363228794 187893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they shoot guns made by "sword" < 1363228794 843803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363228800 842699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like, jesus < 1363228802 836560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you just use swords < 1363228803 744287 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also mercutio < 1363228805 942079 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll be less embarrassing for both of us < 1363228809 784303 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best costuming in film history right there < 1363228810 111337 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that is still like, the only moment I remember from that movie < 1363228810 998631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also Exit Music (For A Film) < 1363228812 615986 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i remember i saw some odd romanized romeo&juliet at school when i was like 11 and i looked away during the sex scene < 1363228813 104469 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I cannot help but giggle < 1363228815 666211 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :every time I think about it < 1363228817 601748 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was a sex scene right < 1363228818 790905 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's because it's amazing < 1363228831 75004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: romanised?????? < 1363228831 621139 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember there was another older romeo&juliet and it had a sex scene too < 1363228833 355375 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well they could hardly sell it if it didn't have sex < 1363228834 782126 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1363228836 761504 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modernized < 1363228842 902812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :romeo & juliet adapted to be set in roman times < 1363228843 954927 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :without sex it's like, a bunch of teenagers killing themselves for stupid reasons < 1363228844 765148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we hope your rules and wisdom choke you < 1363228856 983747 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who wants to watch that? who's ever made thirty television shows about that < 1363228857 653147 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait maybe the other one didnt have a sex scene it just had a breast shot < 1363228866 385644 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bunch of teenagers killing themselves for stupid reasons --> isn't that like every horror movie < 1363228889 798094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god dammit what was the other stupid thing about romeo + juliet < 1363228891 918161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that i've forgotten < 1363228894 354382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :to wikipedia.......... < 1363228894 609198 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :romeo and juliet and the slasher, let's do it < 1363228898 433855 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy, probably that was the zefirelli version < 1363228900 838779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :romeo and juliet and zomibes < 1363228903 882223 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly been done 3 years ago < 1363228906 819948 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we watched about 3 seconds of it < 1363228911 751147 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in english class < 1363228918 887371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't the juliet actor in the zeifjeifjeirjleli version like 13 or something < 1363228932 508900 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :she's 13 in the play! < 1363228934 986563 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 14 < 1363228935 137380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then the teacher turned it off and was all like oh we don't want to watch that it's all stuffy let's watch the cool baz luhrman version instead < 1363228937 454918 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :young < 1363228938 588883 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are soooooo many romeo and juliets how will i ever find the one i want < 1363228939 794121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, 16 < 1363228946 650364 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and romeo is like 27 or something < 1363228950 932450 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well yes < 1363228953 473691 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :totally normal < 1363228955 305784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The Chief of Police, Captain Prince" < 1363228960 685210 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363228962 303920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok that may or may not have been the stupid thing i was trying to remember < 1363228964 968248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's definitely really stupid < 1363228982 588523 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363228993 90463 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow theyre making another romeo and juliet in 2013 < 1363228995 30164 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whyyyyyyyyyyyYYYYYYYYYYYY < 1363229016 189645 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh Wikipedia mentions Romeo + Juliet as being "MTV inspired". < 1363229020 515300 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you not love this, elliott. < 1363229034 102188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HIV inspired < 1363229053 638837 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the 2 i saw were zeffrely and romeo + juliet ye < 1363229063 887522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: you know this guy http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8f/LeonardoDiCaprioNov08.jpg thats the guy, whose in the films < 1363229072 876884 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: its been like years man < 1363229078 49864 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cant remember a THING < 1363229081 435587 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh i might remember uhh < 1363229082 418858 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhh < 1363229088 943720 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think shakespeare is best enjoyed as ridiculous personally < 1363229089 103643 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh i forget the character;s name < 1363229090 121025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was in titanic too < 1363229099 34930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a bad film < 1363229100 866745 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "Much Ado About Nothing", is like three different puns about vaginas, in just the title < 1363229114 940164 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Midsummer Night's Dream is just well, have you seen that shit < 1363229135 10163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait i bet there is a youtube of david tennant saying country matters < 1363229136 617791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :lets find out < 1363229150 921962 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except my browser is frozen because my computer is only marginally better than the fabled dumpster computer < 1363229218 4299 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well there is a video of the entire thing < 1363229234 947768 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole four hour movie? < 1363229240 914127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently so < 1363229241 373174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: makes me wonder which bits of vulgar popular entertainment from today will be held up in 400 years as High Art < 1363229254 699559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLF7E1185D25603E4C < 1363229255 698311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy < 1363229260 921187 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is this < 1363229268 509485 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking Jackass < 1363229273 295290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love God and thats all that truly matters. < 1363229273 445534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|Put < 1363229273 445722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|this < 1363229273 445827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|on < 1363229273 445930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|your < 1363229275 798227 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|* * * * * * * * * *|---------------|profile < 1363229276 204075 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all about post-cold-war politics, when you get down to it < 1363229278 301157 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|------------------------------------|if < 1363229280 805221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|------------------------------------|you < 1363229283 322031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|------------------------------------|are a < 1363229285 890589 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|------------------------------------|proud < 1363229288 317568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :|------------------------------------|American! < 1363229290 823885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :P.S. PLEASE don't cuss on my page. It just makes you sound like unoriginal idiot who can't find a better way to phrase whatever you want to say. Thanks!! ^-^ < 1363229293 826155 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :less < 1363229299 329959 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx, elliott. < 1363229316 34022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah they will not believe we were that stupid and will instead over-parse it as sophisticated satire < 1363229335 809897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a true patriot would use Unicode line-drawing characters < 1363229345 229462 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've never seen Jackass but maybe i've heard a thing about it and then forgotten that thing < 1363229346 673263 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best part about old stupid shit held up as art is that it usually was satire < 1363229353 338025 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just satire in the form of like being farted on < 1363229363 228577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that flag has only 9 stripes < 1363229377 872401 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stars are in totally the wrong pattern, too. < 1363229382 291260 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1363229386 485199 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot to mention picard is the dude < 1363229387 709721 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the king guy < 1363229394 362372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, georgia, maryland, rhode island, and south carolina < 1363229395 656299 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fd/US_flag_33_stars.svg speaking of which, this is the first result for "american flag" < 1363229396 746366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its doctor who vs captain picard: the shakespeare performance < 1363229412 370941 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1363229417 915090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look forward to seeing that in a news broadcast < 1363229420 411763 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brannagh's adaptation had Robin Williams as Osric < 1363229422 640690 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nevar forget < 1363229422 801661 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really would have preferred if it was hamlet in space < 1363229442 378835 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :osric is a guy near the end with like two lines if this helps < 1363229458 800692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i found it < 1363229460 444609 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: 'but even before she can get her knickers on, I've seen everything. Yeah. I've seen it all. ' < 1363229477 761957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtYCXO-jAJg#t=4m57s < 1363229484 219766 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that an art thing < 1363229490 368081 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1363229492 673211 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1363229497 475249 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :god its even more blatant than i remembered < 1363229512 196429 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy shit. < 1363229520 461154 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cunt. ry matters < 1363229526 660053 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1363229556 740589 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is just ridiculous < 1363229569 516709 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its adult's goofing around < 1363229582 324731 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shaksper was brilliant for making this happen < 1363229585 572650 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i'm going to go find a few sci-fi hamlet adaptations < 1363229605 121313 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :preferably not like, the lion king, but we'll see < 1363229605 971870 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4twhFgogHVU quick search < 1363229629 152663 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you calling the lion king scifi < 1363229640 864588 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's post-apocalyptic. Think about it. < 1363229661 410052 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this hamlet in space adaptation is p.good < 1363229668 817510 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"He played up the Oedipal overtones of the play, to the extent of casting the 28-year-old Eileen Herlie as Hamlet's mother, opposite himself (aged 41) as Hamlet" hamlet adaptations are an art form < 1363229749 457888 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Indeed, Gibson was cast after Zeffirelli watched his character contemplate suicide in the first Lethal Weapon film.[22]" < 1363229829 196393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1363229838 24803 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hamlet, or The Last Game Without MMORPG Features, shaders and Product Placement is an award winning indie adventure game based on William Shakespeare's Hamlet. It was developed by indie game developer mif2000. < 1363229851 161075 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Features < 1363229851 311078 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :25 levels < 1363229851 311172 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the tradition of classic adventure games < 1363229851 311217 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boss battles < 1363229851 311259 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Logic puzzles < 1363229896 710391 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would like to see an adaption of macbeth with dogs < 1363229898 958478 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty hard figuring out polonius's attack pattern.... < 1363229899 421188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like cgi dogs maybe < 1363229940 175838 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :playing poker < 1363229940 498481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen that < 1363229945 117673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :while we're on the subject of hamlet < 1363229947 70791 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh let me find it < 1363230008 733902 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Z9Ismh1elM < 1363230009 935204 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Comics and graphic novels have utilised the play, or have dramatised the circumstances of its inception: Superman himself wrote the play for Shakespeare in the course of one night, in the 1947 Shakespeare's Ghost Writer." < 1363230023 59734 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :^^^ please watch < 1363230080 528116 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1363230102 706616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so glad monqy elected that guy to govern < 1363230133 292179 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful < 1363230152 233628 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: have you seen hercules in new york yet, or on that note gamebox 1.0 < 1363230166 609987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: no :( < 1363230173 343068 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should!! < 1363230176 408325 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: can you come to england and bring these important cultural artefacts < 1363230184 843617 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in return you can watch channel 5 < 1363230191 307932 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good deal < 1363230235 271062 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: omg that video < 1363230244 771061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also wilhelm scream @ 0:56 < 1363230252 869974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume self consciously given what movie this is < 1363230263 795654 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? deep satire. < 1363230268 502648 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hercules in New York is a 1969 low-budget fantasy adventure film. It is notable for being the first feature film to star Arnold Schwarzenegger, who was about 22 years old when the film was produced. However, it is one of the films that Schwarzenegger admits regretting having appeared in. < 1363230273 92165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a joke inside another film (which i haven't seen) < 1363230285 431709 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Charlie Colburn (Nate Richert) is a video game tester with a troubled past." < 1363230298 386375 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you never seen them either??? gosh < 1363230313 853589 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :theyre very good films < 1363230329 468257 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i saw existenz instead < 1363230351 979042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg that movie < 1363230359 526585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I had 99¢ pizza! < 1363230365 905549 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in Videodrome, Cronenberg gives his psychological statement about how humans react and interact with the technologies that surround them. In this case, the world of video games. < 1363230371 426318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I mexande and other people. < 1363230373 152690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: trip report plz < 1363230374 438915 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's great < 1363230385 307216 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involves hiding firearms in a dog < 1363230388 981197 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to go -- will report later. < 1363230414 497638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys i haven't seen barely any bad films at all < 1363230419 325870 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like i'm really missing out < 1363230421 621450 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dang i should watch existenz < 1363230432 949423 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love cronenberg no joke < 1363230446 560262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure if it's actually a good movie, but it's a nice mindfuck < 1363230452 586128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially if you are very stoned while watching it < 1363230473 202994 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i like lynch more < 1363230480 827421 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since he's in that show about some comedian for some reason < 1363230518 871824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Louie? < 1363230519 22120 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which show about some comedian < 1363230525 974059 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, louie ck < 1363230537 28494 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that was a kinda odd inside joke < 1363230537 178578 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lemme find it < 1363230548 503104 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qob3FTPJ7cM < 1363230548 927707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"we need a weird dude for this scene" "what if it's david lynch" < 1363230564 615629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Louie is a good show < 1363230645 675583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the arc with Lynch is a liiiiitle self-indulgant, but it has its moments < 1363230656 364549 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a lot more continuity than the show usually goes for < 1363230663 852477 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should really watch some lynch stuff < 1363230665 604656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am terrible < 1363230674 458769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i haven't seen it either < 1363230699 291139 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eraserhead is some fucked up shit, just so you know < 1363230707 571870 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recommend it to people you dislike, such as myself < 1363230717 824540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like fucked up shit < 1363230743 608704 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last guy i convinced to watch it apparently sees me in nightmares now < 1363230762 271957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not down with his culty transcendental meditation stuff though, that's what we in the biz refer to as `wack' (technical term) < 1363230786 716081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i go for the "assume famous people are fucking crazy and don't pay attention to them" strategy generally speaking < 1363230831 138708 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eraserhead was hard for me to watch but overall i enjoyed it < 1363230848 291639 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also twin peaks is really good, def. my favorite anime < 1363230853 709089 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have hangups about beck's scientology too. i don't care about travolta and i'm not sure why, i think he is just too wack to care about < 1363230858 439995 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i;ve never seen twin peaks :( :( i should < 1363230863 95012 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw bikes are common everyday objects < 1363230868 324823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its not surprising that they'd occur in dreams of all sorts < 1363230884 499729 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's the weird thing, he'd never dreamt about bikes before! but now he does < 1363230892 173541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think all i've seen of eraserhead is In Heaven < 1363230905 238634 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In Heaven is good < 1363230926 240265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i've seen the "fuck that shit, pabst blue ribbon" scene in blue velvet < 1363230930 107373 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's all the lynch i've seen i think < 1363230965 106862 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i've heard the twin peaks theme too. good theme. < 1363230974 206878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i didn't hear it with my eyes so it doesn't count < 1363231044 865534 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think his short "Rabbits" is still on youtube < 1363231054 699581 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. his commercials. you've all seen his PS2 and cigarette commercials i hope. < 1363231134 89087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i've seen some of that rabbits thing i think < 1363231154 919145 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :on relisten in heaven sounds weirdly like the talking heads song to me < 1363231164 19338 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once in a lifetime < 1363231177 168070 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that talking heads song < 1363231197 41675 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen the music video for it? it works < 1363231201 795482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have < 1363231210 287818 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's the only one i can remember the name of reliably, so there, < 1363231226 653739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of this talking heads song [imagine there's a link here and my browser isn't frozen] < 1363231234 377265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you imagining < 1363231246 280028 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but it's a link to Once in a Lifetime < 1363231251 663707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no bike < 1363231254 14318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no!!! < 1363231259 808978 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the only talking heads song ive heard is the one in that one lasagna cat video < 1363231261 518821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not the link that's there < 1363231262 881343 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it that one < 1363231276 432565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: which one is that again. i remember a talking heads song in lasanga cat but i cant remember which it was < 1363231286 616535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey my browser unfroze < 1363231290 770288 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eyes without a face i think??? i think that's what it's called?? < 1363231302 631614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :false alarm it's "waking up" < 1363231304 878006 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1363231307 807550 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats billy idol < 1363231312 953732 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got my artists confused < 1363231313 313540 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :same thing really < 1363231333 732501 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im no good with this < 1363231357 124173 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok let's try that again < 1363231371 835147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking of this talking heads song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bKW7JkHKm8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5zNdMc6wGtU < 1363231379 673882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you get two links for the price of one because of the delay < 1363231382 589121 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's two songs < 1363231385 656453 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's the same song < 1363231386 354504 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :twice < 1363231392 185652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to go out on a limb and suggest that the linking factor here is the word "heaven" < 1363231421 767289 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this...doesn't really sound like in heaven at all < 1363231484 417128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i don't know what i was thinking in retrospect < 1363231486 593064 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IugOfDBWcGc lynch has done music somehow. it also doesn't sound like in heaven < 1363231492 642759 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that from dark night of the soul < 1363231498 234566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the other thing he did < 1363231596 651985 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's just a single < 1363231608 814048 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caWXt9lCVrc which i'm reasonably sure is satan < 1363231628 458092 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy Clown Time < 1363231640 266266 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, uh, it has tits in it. < 1363231643 897216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lhfztj1cTy1qcziuco1_500.gif < 1363231663 372586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: while talking heads is in my scrollback i should tell you to watch david byrne interviewing himself https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE-mxVxFXLg < 1363231721 915378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone else should too < 1363231740 618298 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just like to imagine david lynch giving the directions for this video < 1363231762 124479 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that clown video is uncomfortable to watch < 1363231770 802059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's great < 1363231813 272694 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, his... proportions < 1363231949 789476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: (that suit doesnt fit him) < 1363231955 990882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1363231971 692173 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes he explained < 1363231976 91240 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you mr bryne. < 1363231983 843012 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this interview is good < 1363231985 142875 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like 60 minutes on acid < 1363232046 213617 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that interview was good < 1363232287 224287 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the 60 minutes on acid thing actually happened. i should lsiten to more heads < 1363232316 383779 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: let david lynch sing you to sleep https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbtUAlFN8po < 1363232430 674382 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't you the one who needs to sleep, generaly speakkkking < 1363232470 818286 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i don't hate myself so i wouldn't generally select david lynch for lullaby material < 1363232474 56775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whereas i do hate you < 1363232481 363781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you see how the cogs turn Bike < 1363232507 429887 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( :( :( < 1363232515 169931 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok it's a nice kind of hate < 1363232560 636873 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a nice kind of hate < 1363232588 106432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's for me to know & you to find out < 1363232623 608898 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :._. < 1363232627 180657 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a sex thing < 1363232675 795725 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sources unconfirmed but suggest no < 1363232684 125259 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :._____. < 1363232716 273328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no certainty in life, Bike < 1363232749 830626 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there certainty in sex < 1363232777 528283 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do they say to kids these days < 1363232847 765039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what don't they say to kids these days. the answer is nothing < 1363232851 730979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no limits. < 1363232860 426981 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'd explain < 1363232860 928131 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1363232866 926912 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure it'd explain someone < 1363233407 42134 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1363233409 340906 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woot < 1363233490 689044 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my stupid VM based on a switch case can run about 250 million ops per second (in the brain dead case of loop: sub r0, r0, #1 jnz loop: ) < 1363233522 555931 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on a 2.8ghz core2, that's about 10 real cycles for a virtual cycle < 1363233534 641055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry madbr we're all dead < 1363233536 707538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially Bike < 1363233759 915597 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mkc < 1363233761 952987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also kmc < 1363233849 543613 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to say there was a rap song titled "ghost of a bicycle" < 1363233959 640149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how did you become a bicycle < 1363233960 767895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the story < 1363234043 713315 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPn6nNOnWIM < 1363234397 396637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh clouddead are weirder than i was lead to believe. i should listen to them < 1363234405 652600 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363234434 410942 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rifle eyes is good, it has urinals < 1363234500 868599 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly wonders if elliott might consider him evil. Working for an ISP that takes some (not that strong) actions against piracy < 1363234510 685468 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the future, I mean, if I get the job) < 1363234515 820043 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you work for... oh < 1363234963 865885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate everyone except the top commenter here http://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/1a7zuy/paul_ryan_admits_that_his_entire_budget_is_based/ < 1363235138 125227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've spent years working up the willpower to not click links when people say things like that < 1363235157 464170 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if its from reddit it's probably bad news < 1363235171 217457 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also if sgeo gives an opinion on it when he links it < 1363235544 281368 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it's about paul ryan. < 1363235548 356768 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I give a positive opinion? (In general I mean, not this specific case) < 1363235567 386298 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No positive opinions on the internet. < 1363235571 144193 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn admit < 1363235573 530992 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "admit" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1363235573 681137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :admit < 1363235573 681231 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : v 1: declare to be true or admit the existence or reality or < 1363235573 681282 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : truth of; "He admitted his errors"; "She acknowledged that < 1363235573 681325 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : she might have forgotten" [syn: {admit}, {acknowledge}] < 1363235575 531505 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[25 @more lines] < 1363235594 618884 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe a bot should post the definition of admit whenever someone uses that word < 1363235603 42792 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363235615 217100 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1363235624 290235 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, the link < 1363235646 849983 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the bot should stop being so pedantic! < 1363235657 287892 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the bot should learn what "microsaccade" means < 1363235747 524472 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh also: paul ryan is never going to be relevant again, right? < 1363235784 386455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like hes relevant because were talking about hi min #esoteric thgeo < 1363235799 658367 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :paul ryan sounds like a name i've heard but i try to avoid that sort of conversation. the type that mentions names like that. < 1363235836 572708 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363236315 539467 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(: < 1363236328 232229 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1363236336 948392 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=D D= < 1363236388 132882 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like a neverhood character < 1363236388 939504 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :=3(@)E= < 1363236406 761132 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather less like a neverhood character < 1363236484 606074 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my first thought was fish but on second thought that was a dumb thought < 1363236498 822394 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a belt buckle? < 1363236514 681062 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or a sash...buckle.... < 1363236595 758560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike < 1363236597 714493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :neverhood++ < 1363236623 995780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1363236645 565237 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heegan < 1363236664 388166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how goes < 1363236725 274281 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363236778 796703 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 99¢ pizza tasted like pizza. < 1363236790 398441 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, really? How? < 1363237752 799950 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is at least one person on Reddit who argues that if you drive drunk and don't hit someone, it's a victimless crime. < 1363237761 30979 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://np.reddit.com/r/Libertarian/comments/1a18ae/dwi_lawswhy_i_became_a_libertarian/c8t9837 < 1363237805 969181 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are you reading r/Libertarian? < 1363237882 34244 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was linked to from a comment in an anti-libertarian subreddit. Which I was only reading because it was linked to from /r/PoliticalHumor < 1363237910 728291 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How deep does the rabbit hole go? < 1363237928 480606 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well somehow sgeo managed to find /r/PoliticalHumor < 1363237963 825611 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember how I found it, I subbed a while ago < 1363237994 22454 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1363238000 80556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are all kinds of awful people on reddit < 1363238007 541206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should not be surprised nor do you need to tell us about them < 1363238012 160958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't understand kmc. we have to know about each and every one of them < 1363238017 895423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its sgeos curse, sgeos fate, sgeos undoing, sgeos promise to the world < 1363238038 440709 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow sgeo subbed to r/politicalhumor < 1363238041 612149 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow sgeo found reddit < 1363238049 279275 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, this is boring, do any of you read the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy? < 1363238056 850839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have read some articles from it < 1363238066 464097 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the one with the webpages < 1363238070 431055 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like wikipedia but with less pictures < 1363238073 695722 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the one < 1363238085 776474 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1363238089 979448 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it had an article on it that i glanced over? i forget what it was about < 1363238094 957094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophy < 1363238117 129990 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has lots of in-depth articles that are better than the ones Wikipedia doesn't have, such as on Church's type theory or the history of transfeminism. < 1363238117 895827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the pages are quite yellow < 1363238125 437624 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the pages are quite yellow. < 1363238137 205907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: constructivism ? < 1363238138 976662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes this is the one < 1363238164 661131 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no idea < 1363238170 778157 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i should read the constructivism articles < 1363238179 260470 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i could see what the fuck is going through zeilberger's head, maybe < 1363238200 3588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrafinitism isnt really the same thing as mainstream constructivism........ < 1363238214 75813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's why i said "articles", see < 1363238221 911622 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo only numbers smaller than 3 exist < 1363238248 236426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructivism is just good old wanting Evidence™ for propositions < 1363238257 74983 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont understand ultrafinitism................philosophy is silly < 1363238258 970345 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so excluded middle is rejected because it doesn't provide evidence for either P or not P < 1363238275 529462 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then that of course gets you computable meaning as your evidence (hence curry-howard) < 1363238277 84990 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh ultrafinitism doesn't have an article :( < 1363238281 340605 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand constructivism thankfully < 1363238286 266839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where lem roughly corresponds to being able to predict the future < 1363238297 201763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(you can do it with call/cc but it lies) < 1363238301 487110 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah constructivism is "so easy", it's all kolmogorov-brouwer------- < 1363238312 217294 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :constructivism is a monoids?? < 1363238312 455691 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably more names < 1363238318 735720 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, heyting < 1363238322 786460 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who the fuck is heyting? i don't know. < 1363238324 287640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how elliott predicted i would say that.. < 1363238335 539512 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty obvious < 1363238337 640224 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, a student of brouwer < 1363238346 395154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :tho you can think of ultrafinitism quite simply as rejecting the notion that the standard inductive definition of the naturals gives evidence that all of them exist < 1363238354 245870 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The inclusion of Brouwer's name in the Brouwer–Heyting–Kolmogorov interpretation is largely honorific, as Brouwer was opposed in principle to the formalisation of certain intuitionistic principles (and went as far as calling Heyting's work a "sterile exercise")» amazing < 1363238365 116067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but accepting that e.g. 4 exists because it's pretty easy to give evidence that a number that small exists) < 1363238374 456568 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you give evidence that a number exists < 1363238385 337538 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :by counting < 1363238389 161352 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like this: SSSS0 < 1363238390 885737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSSS0 < 1363238393 983476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck you < 1363238395 770806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"2 l8" < 1363238399 299873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i was first < 1363238403 368460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363238406 401665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was "2 l8" < 1363238409 88886 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :agreed < 1363238412 51518 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you give evidence that 0 exists, or that S(a number) is a number. < 1363238422 756795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shush < 1363238422 906774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :axioms < 1363238429 543477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, seriously, I want to know. < 1363238445 572523 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like why not just say no numbers exist. < 1363238447 791388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt really make sense to ask like 0 exists.... you define it as being a thing < 1363238461 676311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its just a question of how much power you allow your definitions to have < 1363238473 224377 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh so it's just a matter of my axioms are better than yours < 1363238491 592736 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, yours are better than mine, because you are elliott < 1363238501 383007 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :𒌫 < 1363238503 17915 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lem? < 1363238506 540483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is silly < 1363238507 233053 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :𐂄 < 1363238534 203298 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this article on church's type theory has explicit substitution. therefore it sucks < 1363238543 936466 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like "my axioms are better than yours" is inherently bad, i just want to know that that's what it is < 1363238556 773309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: do you agree that variables as strings / explicit alpha-conversion / and so on are sinful < 1363238561 74866 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363238562 205686 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You know what's a complete waste of time, money, and effort? Eating. I mean, wouldn't you rather just ingest a tasteless form of sustenance for the rest of your life and never have to go through that tedious rigmarole of opening and eating a premade sandwich or feasting on a pile of fried delicacies ever again? " < 1363238564 12082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well it can also be about interpretations of axioms < 1363238570 750206 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whether you consider certain axiom sets to define coherent notions < 1363238572 162940 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BHK right < 1363238587 538005 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I gather that the intended answer to that rhetorical question is supposed to be 'no', but... < 1363238589 128217 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo: that's usually an argument for the usefulness of art no? < 1363238602 63549 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo < 1363238602 709067 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont < 1363238603 740556 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1363238604 225013 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont < 1363238619 487871 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One time I said I'd rather just eat monkey corpses since they'd be most nutritious < 1363238625 431080 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :turns out I was wrong about monkey corpses though. < 1363238639 62198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :live monkeys are more nutritious < 1363238640 513273 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cuneiform signs seem to be quite complicated. 𒋪 < 1363238665 700256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr, do you not know about my food issues? < 1363238676 938456 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would happily answer the posed question with "Yes, please" < 1363238677 750539 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no, didn't knew < 1363238694 153245 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, well, I guess I do like tasting things sometimes, but it's a bit of a chore < 1363238715 482093 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have food issues? beyond being a bachelor i assume < 1363238718 950338 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a bit the other way around :3 < 1363238734 301329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe sgeo is a bagelor < 1363238742 784214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's like a bachelor, except with bagels < 1363238794 154789 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of the things SEP's article mentioning ultrafinitism ("ultra-finitism") cites about it is "Understanding the Infinite". that is the title < 1363238818 342880 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I don't really like eating < 1363238824 230256 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend to have to force myself to eat. < 1363238835 954237 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i know people like that < 1363238837 567388 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're weird < 1363238845 774076 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :jupiter and beyond the infinite < 1363238872 853665 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ultrafinitists don't believe in anything beyond jupiter kmc < 1363238877 659516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1363238896 660202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't even believe in england < 1363238936 55051 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo have you considered liquid food < 1363238946 998003 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's too bad there aren't enough ultrafinitists for there to be pissing matches about who believes in less numbers. Though I guess restricting numbers that exist to computable vs defineable vs whatever is like that. < 1363238956 894857 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then you can use a straw and it's less obtrusive. you can even use your hands while you suck it up < 1363238962 674407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to rely on Ensure when I was a kid < 1363238971 882582 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I think I did eat solid food < 1363238975 144819 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But lunch was Ensure < 1363238976 165234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.theonion.com/video/new-wearable-feedbags-let-americans-eat-more-move,14238/ < 1363238986 213857 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers exist up to 2^32-1 < 1363239017 493460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 2^64-1 < 1363239025 345922 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i read part of a bajillion page thesis once that argued in part that what computers deal with aren't semantically numbers because wraparound is some dumb bullshit < 1363239067 575210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :integers mod 2^32 are an ok algebraic structure aren't they < 1363239069 615541 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhhh numbers mod n are still numbers?? < 1363239070 373934 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ridiculous and also there are bignums < 1363239086 499034 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which can totally be implemented in practice < 1363239088 848124 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: except for 2^32 not being prime, i guess. < 1363239095 369199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... almost prime < 1363239106 384897 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is like the opposite of prime it's made of twos < 1363239107 504898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you have to pick a Mersenne prime for numbers mod 2^n to be good < 1363239107 839138 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has only one prime factor < 1363239115 516393 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i think i caricaturized the argument there < 1363239119 685380 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, that's not even 2^n. Never mind. < 1363239123 492776 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just, pretend i said something that sounded less dumb < 1363239124 127240 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bignums aren't really that big < 1363239134 739333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike i expect all arguments on IRC to be presented in full nuance and detail < 1363239137 503908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since you are limited by ram, which is guaranteed finite on pretty much every architecture < 1363239157 671677 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh... is there an architecture where it's not < 1363239168 286894 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: except you can interface with the HDD < 1363239176 97642 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the HDD being infinite < 1363239183 52476 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ram and beyond the infinite, i guess < 1363239189 993989 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that's not enough you can interface with the CLOUD < 1363239190 202507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: with finite addresses < 1363239190 540393 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1363239200 52641 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bignum addresses < 1363239209 106101 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also doing arithmetic on media sounds slow and painful < 1363239224 385633 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i know they do it but. pain < 1363239248 790087 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point you should probably just switch to interpreting the states of your machine in a manner consistent with larger numbers < 1363239258 75462 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to save time < 1363239598 609338 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363240000 56451 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363240020 203557 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363240657 968534 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: we had a wonderful 20 seconds without you. < 1363240671 877189 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why must you cause me such pain < 1363240721 971318 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you missed a second < 1363240725 74621 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was glorious < 1363240726 563221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all i'm good at < 1363240741 965552 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :;_____; < 1363240755 747868 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats so sad elliott < 1363240764 304786 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried being good at other things? < 1363240807 957444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but it's too hard :( < 1363240850 351030 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: what year of school are you in again? < 1363240891 929939 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1363240897 760291 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? < 1363240900 228441 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??????????????????????????????? < 1363240914 941031 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't be rude, monqy. < 1363240924 229604 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??????????????????????????????????????? < 1363241108 761004 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1363241134 468341 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1363241147 382066 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's designing a new language < 1363241150 377593 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :where font matters < 1363241161 155284 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363241260 676356 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :who, me? < 1363241330 304478 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes you < 1363241386 885764 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy is the ghost of chuck moore < 1363241390 918007 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i was just really confused < 1363241405 884496 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the idea of elliott being in school confusing < 1363241406 997442 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still am but i've run out of steam you know < 1363241417 926727 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's more that coppro would ask in the manner he did, or perhaps even at all < 1363241427 574122 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it was me asking < 1363241435 361441 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good question < 1363241444 109392 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott, what year of school you in? < 1363241451 996945 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd be really confused if it was me asking, since that's not a question i like to ask < 1363241452 147253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its 2013 Bike < 1363241455 83629 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have my reasons < 1363241456 527832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1363241490 739640 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1363241528 844085 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i'll just assume that everybody in this channel is either slightly younger than me and in MENSA or slightly older than me and has three PhDs < 1363241558 938940 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't account for oerjan who is a lot older than you (this applies regardless of your age) < 1363241570 326118 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Q: is oerjan older than oerjan < 1363241579 115901 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just an outlier < 1363241579 603031 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't think we have any actual MENSA members. < 1363241593 236857 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think any of you have three PhDs either, but here we are < 1363241605 595310 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with me sitting here making assumptions about you and writing shachaf fanfiction < 1363241613 125576 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I *could*. But why would i want to? < 1363241647 818020 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get three PhDs? i don't know but it sounds like a hilariously bad decision < 1363241657 462572 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Join MENSA more-like. < 1363241665 557184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363241666 299325 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i have no idea. elitism? < 1363241670 398403 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's an idea. < 1363241691 692940 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But you're one of the ones slightly older than me, so you're ineligible. < 1363241705 840237 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How old are you? < 1363241725 904130 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :20 and a bit < 1363241734 597743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf fanfiction? i'd read that < 1363241737 329039 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas. < 1363241742 106470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan we were just talking about how old you are < 1363241745 813199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well actually i'd probably skim it and get bored < 1363241750 513845 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, are you younger than me too < 1363241750 696404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like with most fanfiction < 1363241756 762777 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :am i some kind of giant of ages here < 1363241762 59660 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm 22. < 1363241765 834143 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HA < 1363241768 4937 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :knew it. < 1363241769 805424 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nearly 23. < 1363241789 608229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION shakes his cane at Bike  < 1363241800 292222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw you're really old < 1363241803 820603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically dead i'd say < 1363241807 534366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :23? That's almost 25! < 1363241813 808110 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: i don't actually have a cane) < 1363241815 823734 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip Bike < 1363241816 193467 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't even imagine being 20. back me up here monqy < 1363241817 915192 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And oerjan is older than the Sun. < 1363241827 427650 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an adult sounds scary < 1363241828 518748 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :practically rip i mean < 1363241831 486368 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont think it actually exists < 1363241833 11090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it goes. < 1363241836 429087 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: it is. hth. < 1363241840 866125 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suddenly I feel old < 1363241847 860585 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: im going to be an adult in a few months :( < 1363241848 11026 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably i'll die on my 18th birthday and only my soulless husk will cary on < 1363241849 301392 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: The secret is, you never actually become an adult. < 1363241852 299035 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know how to prepare < 1363241862 219707 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just eventually realize that those kids are on *your* lawn! < 1363241863 807162 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rip bike. < 1363241865 697897 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking about giving up on life and becoming a hermit < 1363241871 358843 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And those punks should get off! < 1363241874 772371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess i already did that < 1363241889 938275 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I recommend against it. < 1363241893 687100 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god if this channel is full of shut in weirdos too i don't know what i'm going to do. probably nothing < 1363241902 260302 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: it worked for a few years < 1363241906 533829 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but angrily < 1363241908 99234 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was born in the 80s < 1363241918 324568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is there some other channel also full of shut in weirdos. sounds literally impossible < 1363241934 454592 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :EVERY CHANNEL is full of shut in weirdos < 1363241935 528718 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm arguably not a shut-in? < 1363241939 737655 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably. < 1363241946 782495 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm starting to think irc isn't the best place to socialize with well-adjusted people! < 1363241971 90879 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I resemble that remark! < 1363241984 836026 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's probably going to change at least a tiny bit once the antidepressants kick in though. < 1363241987 901878 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc i was well-adjusted once < 1363241991 275449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote housemates < 1363241994 668535 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :443) i try to be a hermit but it's hard with all these housemates. < 1363241997 876894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i kind of grew out of it < 1363242017 988342 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I've never been well-adjusted and never will be. < 1363242022 828230 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably find antidepressants that do something other than make me throw up but it's hard < 1363242063 586978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what more could you want out of an antidepressant < 1363242068 681854 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, disability. < 1363242076 688504 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, not throwing up < 1363242081 480646 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe throwing up like, candy < 1363242088 947195 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I dunno, increasing extracellular serotonin in the brain? < 1363242090 31158 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but then i'd get fat... < 1363242102 568094 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could donate the candy to starving children < 1363242103 413460 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tough question, elliott. tough question. < 1363242104 978821 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No you wouldn't. That's calories lost! < 1363242121 668722 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fatten them up for other starving children??? < 1363242131 41001 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you suggesting starving children eat each other monqy < 1363242133 890765 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, I agree < 1363242144 244621 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what do you do with the dead bodies < 1363242150 736204 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :might as well nourish the others < 1363242154 573560 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up. wow, I'm old < 1363242156 843739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :burn them for fuel to make antidepressants with probably < 1363242160 900780 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Soylent green is people, and also delicious. < 1363242162 889958 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Oh? < 1363242166 390972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i don't know how old you are but i agree < 1363242183 598788 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora is in fact trans-pikhq in age < 1363242186 788514 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is also old < 1363242187 483268 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :terrifying to contemplate < 1363242195 934965 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :being an adult is something that sneaks up on you < 1363242207 18492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for most people anyway < 1363242208 290461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think kmc is like half-way between me and fizzie or something < 1363242219 254967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your parents are murdered by ninjas and you have to get revenge, that's different < 1363242221 765642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is scary because I don't like the idea that there's a path between my age and fizzie's age < 1363242225 208761 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not convinced that I'm an adult. < 1363242230 24546 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i turned 25 last month < 1363242244 675052 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that _does_ sound pretty sneaking up too, actually < 1363242249 527379 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you got any grey hairs / wrinkles / heart diseases yet < 1363242274 393957 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then I've spent much of the past few years barely plodding along, in some years practically being a hikikomori. < 1363242275 242607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably one grey hair somewhere < 1363242281 712723 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're not gonna be adult-feeling doing that. < 1363242284 156714 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my heart is ok, trying to get in better shape though < 1363242284 523389 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: is that a nerd culture thing < 1363242291 502278 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have a bald spot on my head! does that count? < 1363242298 398382 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: Hikikomori? No. < 1363242302 570252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my balls are very wrinkly but that's been the case for a long time < 1363242317 496772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: does it have heart disease < 1363242328 745814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not to my knowledge. < 1363242332 945128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw do you still look exactly like dijkstra < 1363242354 405637 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and i have some wrinkles under my eye. < 1363242354 719656 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hikikomori is the japanese word for "shut in", except they also pathologize it (more) < 1363242386 832508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.born-today.com/btpix/dijkstra_edsger.jpg picture of oerjan < 1363242387 446461 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*eyes, probably < 1363242416 161505 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that... is that actually dijkstra? < 1363242417 959332 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ah. so not quite but maybe tangentially related to nerds & their culture < 1363242420 492268 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he looks way too young < 1363242432 329068 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://oerjan.nvg.org/face.gif~ actual, but old picture. < 1363242435 300230 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: well there's also the implication that you spend all your time watching animes < 1363242444 857261 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ah, that's the ticket < 1363242449 707367 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nearly 20 years old now, i think < 1363242472 38030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :logically, pikhq must be really into Puellae Maegie Maudoukau Maugiukau < 1363242482 227064 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear he's kind of a pedant about it < 1363242485 126749 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: yes < 1363242494 849393 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's impossible to describe how wrong that camera is about your appearance < 1363242498 565604 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I did enjoy the series. < 1363242503 502775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: O KAY < 1363242507 617667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys tell me whether my link or oerjan's link looks more like oerjan < 1363242513 264601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know the answer < 1363242517 346982 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know what oerjan looks likle < 1363242526 885057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: here's a pic http://www.born-today.com/btpix/dijkstra_edsger.jpg < 1363242529 566467 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm psychotically pedantic at times. < 1363242530 900623 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll just put oerjan's pic through "in 20 years" < 1363242533 826676 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Autism! < 1363242535 297493 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm sure i must have mentioned that i cannot have a beard as i cannot stand the itching to get it < 1363242547 576196 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you kind of have to, sorry < 1363242548 929388 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also because i don't have any actual desire to get one) < 1363242550 282762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be a fake beard? < 1363242565 11218 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Psychotically pedantic... does that mean somebody's like "no it's spelt madokau" and you're like "ARG STOP SPLITTING INFINITIVES" < 1363242574 389664 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm 23 < 1363242590 678274 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I'm also not literally insane. < 1363242602 614765 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm pushing it. < 1363242607 362522 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though everyone almost always thinks I'm younger until I start blathering about dumb cpu things < 1363242611 997345 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well 'psychotic' means you hallucinate and shit right < 1363242616 121656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow Fiora is almost as old as kmc < 1363242618 999924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and kmc is almost as old as fizzie < 1363242626 215687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fizzie is... a few orders of magnitude away from oerjan < 1363242635 139016 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Ah, you're nearly a lich then. < 1363242637 115471 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie is almost as old as oerjan's fourth generation spawn < 1363242642 463501 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.in20years.com/shared/8/ager/1303146/aged_wb20130314013004762421.png i think we have our answer < 1363242680 114309 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon fizzie will be old as the last syllable of the current aeonic utterance of oerjan, the ur-being, the maker & unmaker of all, the alpha, the omega, the being, the is, the isn't < 1363242723 949627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: haha wow < 1363242740 910995 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's something about always being assumed to be younger that makes one feel even older <.< < 1363242756 139522 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is not dead which can eternal lie, and in strange aeons even death my die? < 1363242764 522905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice in20years.com has a field for whether you are a drug addict or not < 1363242767 411237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cheery novelty site! < 1363242775 909964 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: There's something damned odd about never getting carded. < 1363242777 536882 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you should just act like you're 107, and then surprise people when you reveal you're actually only barey transpikhq < 1363242816 418764 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops.. We couldn't detect a face in the photo. Please try a different one. < 1363242818 471645 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Transpikhq... That is a very strange phrasing to me now. < 1363242818 956746 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I'd imagine I'd get carded, and then they'd spend a minute looking it over for marks of a fake < 1363242822 776607 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I've never bought alcohol < 1363242825 681616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats what i got when i tried to age up the dijkstra photo < 1363242827 505557 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Life experience confuses! < 1363242832 763485 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sometimes you can get it to detect faces on things that aren't actually faces < 1363242833 932445 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... oh. actually. I did like, once, for a bottle of cooking wine. < 1363242834 486427 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: i _do_ recognize a bit of those protruted cheeks, i'll admit. < 1363242834 636586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was dijkstra a robot < 1363242859 507828 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Hah. < 1363242862 720769 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or it detects a face but it detects it in the wrong place < 1363242898 347521 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i basically have no idea how to decline your name i'm afraid < 1363242907 522568 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "no, pikhq's name" < 1363242907 948966 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION poofs back to finishing up gundam 00 < 1363242911 708526 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :transpikhqian < 1363242912 471218 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hop ethis helps < 1363242916 699918 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know Latin either, so. < 1363242937 98711 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus i only know "kh" from like, "khanate" probably < 1363242943 985189 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: wait you probably selected "drug addict", didn't you. < 1363242947 768267 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes < 1363242952 753886 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did you guess < 1363242954 457803 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"khq" is just ridiculous < 1363242961 120401 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was 8. < 1363242970 458476 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a striking resemblance??? < 1363242970 833004 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan is a drug addict irl thats why he recognised the cheeks < 1363243014 399046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: btw everyone always assumes me to be younger too. < 1363243032 709073 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really. < 1363243037 261278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like irl < 1363243037 996403 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Transpikhq" is just weird to me cause I've somehow gotten to the point where "trans" -> "transgender" in my head. < 1363243039 807041 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone except elliott, drummer to the mad god < 1363243041 117303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or actually on the internet < 1363243048 841423 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because irl doesn't really count imho < 1363243050 565887 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: i still associate trans/cis with chemistry < 1363243056 6118 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for anything < 1363243071 576979 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cispikhq isomer < 1363243094 660354 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'trans' is everywhere < 1363243106 840114 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i use the word 'transcend' i think it's a good word < 1363243115 719773 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but my head has weird wiring. < 1363243120 740738 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1363243127 641059 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trans... cend... what's the etymology there < 1363243129 233186 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1363243129 406261 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1363243129 556477 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363243167 848191 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's from "scandere", to climb in the french of yore < 1363243169 264175 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1363243179 503061 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363243187 436009 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good etymology, thanks french < 1363243236 853612 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like in ascend? < 1363243237 3674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just pretend i said something insensitive about french people here < 1363243241 719438 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll save us all effort < 1363243253 344708 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um elliott thats racist < 1363243261 176403 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should take that thing you said right there back < 1363243267 67930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : how did you guess <-- i'm not _that_ ill looking yet. hth. < 1363243278 540311 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Client Quit < 1363243281 460391 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: That's cultural imperialism right there. < 1363243287 471494 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: looks to be the same, yep < 1363243290 904524 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah what's this thing about ppl dissing the french < 1363243299 211368 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you know, insensitivity to the French is a major, fundamental part of British culture? < 1363243308 399012 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok :-) < 1363243315 404401 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's some dumb bush thing that people are taking seriously... wat < 1363243320 987197 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is just hateful, he's spent so much time yelling ineffectually at scotsmen that he has to take a break to yell ineffectively about (not even at!) french people < 1363243328 710675 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh this isn't an americanism < 1363243334 904333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you forgot: sometimes i yell at Bike. < 1363243346 240987 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, yes, he also hates luxembourg. < 1363243363 703396 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i yell but in a calm and subdued manner. i can't think of a metaphor so just imagine that ok < 1363243368 171750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: have you noticed there is a slight halo surrounding you in that photo of you (the fake one on your website) < 1363243440 98287 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not saying you're jesus but i'm saying there's at least a 70% chance < 1363243471 245710 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't he like welsh? i thought jesus was japanese < 1363243518 235315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: OKAY < 1363243518 753016 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes oerjan is welsh < 1363243559 100799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :norwelsh < 1363243570 981086 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice country in the summer < 1363243576 4885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when did you wake up oerjan < 1363243599 61323 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :an hour and a half ago < 1363243630 388458 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess i'm in that brief period of my sleeping cycle which strange people consider "normal" < 1363243707 345613 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1363243721 202915 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(strange people who control the world) < 1363243752 458809 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also control: the sun < 1363243774 222185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : There is a Pope. <-- what, already? < 1363243803 870230 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kinda short interregnum there. < 1363243806 122837 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1363243818 266854 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: they managed to find an old white catholic guy quickly enough < 1363243821 212783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did they do it???????????? < 1363243841 527180 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the papal conclave is too secretive for us to know < 1363243868 651796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: maybe they collected all the sufficiently old white catholig guys in one place, locked them inside and forced them to choose one among themselves. but that's of course ridiculous. < 1363243873 671354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*catholic < 1363243875 358174 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though they failed to find an old European Catholic guy. < 1363243889 770389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, progress! < 1363243896 918445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Old white catatonic guy. < 1363243914 624416 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He's from Argentina. < 1363243924 332271 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well argentinia is basically european imo < 1363243926 97360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he know how to tango? < 1363243927 698731 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :children of italians but close enough < 1363243928 221845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*inininina < 1363243931 768998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like look at the name < 1363243934 689538 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty european name for a country < 1363243937 776512 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: South America. < 1363243947 12681 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i guess they need to take it one step at a time < 1363243958 379893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: yes. basically europe < 1363243961 99650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no big leaps like the US choosing an islamic terrorist < 1363243976 427546 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they just need to find a sufficiently conservative ghanaian < 1363243984 564953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Señorita Nina, from Argentina, knew all the answers / Although her relatives and friends were perfect dancers / She swore she'd never dance a step until she died < 1363243986 94378 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about someone from guam < 1363243989 185720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora for pope < 1363244000 918797 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good to me < 1363244003 179953 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And unsurprisingly, he's very anti-homosexuality. < 1363244014 718905 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wide reforms in the areas of architecture design and JRPG outfits < 1363244024 412959 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, the first Pope in favor of it will probably get accused of being the Antichrist. < 1363244033 192986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yeah he's conservative as hell, what else is new < 1363244042 198212 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: The Antipope, surely? < 1363244046 540679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGBHfXPqbgI < 1363244055 462270 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: That's not a "the". < 1363244061 18170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it is. < 1363244062 951806 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's been multiple antipopes in history. < 1363244080 156891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There have been multiple popes, and yet people say "the pope" < 1363244089 289957 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are multiple ones right now, though i think the spanish guy is the one people mention most < 1363244093 187577 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363244098 935035 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_Babylon_One_World_Faith today i found out that Left Behind is right on the pulse of catholicism. < 1363244123 635751 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363244182 236989 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, kinda like how when one refers to "The Queen" you mean Elizabeth II, by the grace of God Queen of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, defender of the faith... < 1363244215 504403 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That... what < 1363244237 308916 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:H.H._Pope_Shenouda_III_smiling_while_giving_a_word.jpg I think other popes kind of get the short shrift, really < 1363244244 872250 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean look at that hat. it's a pope hat alright < 1363244302 650237 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pope_Theodoros_II_of_Alexandria.jpg ooh the present pope was a pharmacist < 1363244321 291816 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very confused by that Left Behind thing. < 1363244346 571304 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's confusing? < 1363244362 402539 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing about it makes any sense! < 1363244375 552346 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, yeah, it's millenialist nuttines. < 1363244399 770263 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a Chick tract with worse art. < 1363244441 303742 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As though a rapture would produce a global religion of any form... < 1363244475 803722 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much less such a strange universalist thing. < 1363244497 832344 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(who the hell does Catholic universalism?!?) < 1363244512 86931 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who seriously think things like "muhammad was a catholic agent" < 1363244559 904310 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, using "Pontifex Maximus" as though it's some sort of evil title. Lawl. < 1363244637 752718 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363244641 434183 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pontifex does sound kind of evil if you have a twelve-year-old's knowledge of latin (hi), admittedly < 1363244660 741781 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh, reading the Wikipedia page, and realizing I actually know the weird Christian theological terminology. < 1363244661 387354 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pontifex is spooky and bad juju < 1363244672 97828 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363244685 690993 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :("amillenial", "postmillenial", "premillenial" etc) < 1363244726 688180 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only know the ancient stuff ("marcionist") with a smattering of weirdness like dominionism < 1363244819 233319 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363244835 1276 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION declares the logs too damn long today < 1363245961 945757 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm reading a thread about someone who doesn't understand Applicative < 1363245975 140418 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm confused how you wouldn't understand Applicative < 1363246138 469899 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Bye bye by e < 1363246238 873799 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1363246332 764994 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363246560 627124 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1363246770 805444 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1363247234 552196 :Bike!~Glossina@71-34-78-123.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363248084 400651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm... when i become world dictator i think i will make it illegal to have a "like" button if you don't have a "dislike" one. < 1363248142 396830 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mashing Bike's dislike button as we speak < 1363248152 956139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1363248174 115096 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no swat button? < 1363248218 462613 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1363248233 823968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course there will be a swat button, which only i may press. < 1363248243 157039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would be a good dictator < 1363248258 476787 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there's no use in putting it on a website, since the website won't exist afterwards anyway. < 1363248462 628620 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this resembles my predicament in some way. i think you may understand it even without the veterinary's text bubble. http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/pondus/?1363215600&d=-1 < 1363248505 510543 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone stole your squeeze toy? < 1363248530 615053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't recall ever having one, but i guess it _is_ possible. < 1363248587 588229 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do people in norway think comics like this make any sense < 1363248591 168308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a curious species < 1363248608 898135 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not impossible that the comic is swedish but translated < 1363248629 688135 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, no, it's the other way around < 1363248669 63863 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pondus is rather surrealistic at times. it's like a bit of bill amends' foxtrot and a bit of bud grace's ernie/piranha club < 1363248684 765760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the comparison i thought of once.) < 1363248711 658480 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has pretty clearly passed its prime, but still sometimes amusing. < 1363248735 245526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it used to be norway's most popular comic) < 1363248765 676149 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so all things decay in norway too < 1363248765 826162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually i guess it's got back to _more_ surrealism lately. < 1363248802 540383 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure. < 1363248831 590556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :recently i read norwegian's are gaining weight faster than any other europeans. < 1363248835 665650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-' < 1363248893 344860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway the comic makes sense to me as a symbol of the futility of fighting the universe's annoyingness. hth. < 1363248914 632277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanx < 1363248947 656871 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: the main comic to go the other way is "rocky" < 1363248972 34805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at this time dagbladet has _two_ kellerman comics. < 1363248998 992759 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kellerman is the one who does rocky? < 1363249002 955355 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1363249109 482364 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't know he made anything except rocky < 1363249138 102792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the other one is sort of drawn twitters. < 1363249164 614468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dagbladet.no/tegneserie/kellermannen/ < 1363249196 167756 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, i vaguely recall that's how it supposedly started. < 1363249260 112295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Ny tegneserie for twittergenerasjonen fra skaperen av Rocky." < 1363249268 124179 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's just where i got it from. < 1363249485 762954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A binary brown dwarf system, WISE 1049-5319, is observed 6.5 light-years from Earth, making it the closest star system discovered since 1916." < 1363249492 430327 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wikipedia) < 1363249510 161915 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-137-85.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363249515 207630 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice that they can still find new stars that close... < 1363249527 318872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe embarassing. who knows. < 1363249556 299621 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION throws some pi at elliott  < 1363249572 761966 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what people do today, right? < 1363249602 489352 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363249602 879000 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1363249603 28994 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1363249607 143353 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad american calendar day < 1363249663 183802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well what can we do, april only has 30 days < 1363249713 95765 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363249748 577509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 6.5 light-years, that's like a stone's throw away. < 1363249776 50236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fairly small stone, thrown very fast. < 1363250204 997373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In 1868, Sirius became the first star to have its velocity measured. Sir William Huggins examined the spectrum of this star and observed a noticeable red shift. He concluded that Sirius was receding from the Solar System at about 40 km/s.[36][37] Compared to the modern value of −7.6 km/s,[2] this both was an overestimate and had the wrong sign; the minus means it is approaching the Sun. However, it is notable for introducing the study of celestial < 1363250206 679594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :42.1 km/s to escape Sun's gravity, starting from Earth, says Wikipedia's list of escape velocities. < 1363250219 779567 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-- study of celestial". < 1363250307 59131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :celestial radial velocities." < 1363250329 536285 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it worked better without that. < 1363250336 754992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1363250338 506159 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The study of celestial, it sounds more important. < 1363250344 79921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1363250423 15628 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i didn't notice your comment that my line had been cut off, as i was busy looking up my line in the tunes logs to see if it had been cut off, but unfortunately the tunes logs had been cut off just before my line so i had to switch back to codu. < 1363250463 727700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i had switched to tunes a while ago when glogbot had connection problems.) < 1363250463 916436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could've asked us :) < 1363250493 430146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the thing is i wasn't sure if it had been cut off at all, in which case asking you would be just making noise, right? hth. < 1363250515 904546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :besides i have a strange hangup about asking people in general. < 1363250577 360235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was there something wrong with the codu logs < 1363250639 749715 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: not at this moment, no. but once i switch i tend not to switch back since i just look up the address in my address line history. < 1363250706 785544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, i offer my housemate lozenges and i _completely_ fail to get through the part of my request that is "please take them before your coughing makes me kill you." < 1363250768 713413 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems more like a murder hangup < 1363250775 895590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that too. < 1363250809 570424 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, murdering them might end up getting me even _worse_ living accomodations, unlikely as it seems. < 1363250811 108483 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"eat these or I will kill you" could be misinterpreted < 1363250833 210489 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363250846 470860 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear norwegian prisons are pretty nice < 1363250882 156689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, yes they are. so i'm not _entirely_ sure it would be worse. but it would certainly ruin my daily restaurant visit. < 1363250884 35484 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could get out of the country before anyone finds the body. < 1363250913 263435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: i seem to have "getting out of the country" hangup too. < 1363250929 2638 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: go to guam and become pope < 1363250945 953099 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think they'll generally provide food for you, so the daily restaurant visit wouldn't be useful anyway < 1363251022 490165 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: true, but the visit is an important part of how i keep the last sliver of sanity. < 1363251101 662997 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it's a small sliver.) < 1363251323 870404 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :frame the relevant part of the restaurant staff so they end up in jail with you < 1363251369 992886 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're mostly foreigners, in the current political climate they might end up deported instead. < 1363251645 119436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION peers back in < 1363251974 570713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: hi, we're talking about the history of applied mathematics in russia circa 1823-1827 < 1363252062 138432 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363252478 137810 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds fun < 1363252639 814271 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phew. long anime marathon < 1363252699 705548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you still alive or did you die of an anime overdose < 1363252778 538586 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :animosis < 1363252886 40046 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I survived the gundams < 1363252990 530226 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the flood of plotting, intrigue, arbitrary plot-induced powerups, and sexy gundam pilots < 1363253183 762138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we,'re proud of you < 1363253197 315885 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we work hard we can conquer all the animes by 2015 < 1363253264 164813 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they keep making more animes! < 1363253266 75402 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatever will we do? < 1363253281 429587 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kill them so they stop < 1363253338 940865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy that's going too far...... we just have to jail the animes for life < 1363253345 265706 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only way to control the epidemic < 1363253366 819649 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure we have enough jail < 1363253390 45125 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am actually super bad at watching anime, I get stalled so often and have soooo many good series I should see but haven't) < 1363253405 236957 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have built up a resistance to it < 1363253409 956516 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not everyone is so fortunate! < 1363253697 833158 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1363253705 122198 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would one want to be resistant to good things < 1363253811 599971 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes we have wars that make no sense. it's a metaphor for real life < 1363253868 881284 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds like a description of gundam < 1363253901 163749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :see. everything reflects everything else. < 1363254287 348001 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION yawn < 1363254320 799656 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just don't appreciate anime theory < 1363254343 283406 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1363254624 263461 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is majoring in anime theory < 1363254628 812133 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a bachelor's of anime < 1363254653 457363 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this knowledge certainly makes one a bachelor < 1363254807 893871 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a minor in bishonen studies < 1363256147 714124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363256779 174087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363258662 540947 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363259450 810047 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1363259456 681880 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1363259790 148131 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are so many lists these days. < 1363259920 527744 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we should delete them all. < 1363262987 813659 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*list < 1363262991 212310 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/elist \ bin/emptylist \ bin/list \ bin/makelist \ bin/mlist \ bin/olist \ bin/pbflist \ bin/slist \ bin/smlist \ bin/testlist < 1363263581 350696 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/elist < 1363263583 340221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo elliott < 1363263586 981779 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363263626 917113 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/elist < 1363263631 378822 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363264099 29060 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'echo $@' > bin/instalist < 1363264103 370715 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363264116 375130 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :problem solved < 1363264131 406606 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/testlist < 1363264133 672917 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo foo \ echo bar < 1363264139 982771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/makelist < 1363264142 171301 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cp bin/emptylist bin/"$1" < 1363264145 344537 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow how is there so much shit < 1363264197 49785 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/emptylist < 1363264199 214921 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo -n "$(basename "$0"): "; tail -n+2 "$0" | xargs; exit < 1363264220 35852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, well based on all the tests lying around i have one principal suspect < 1363264310 565270 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1363264350 85297 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363264482 854392 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`emptylist < 1363264485 432216 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :emptylist: < 1363264828 32144 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run rm bin/?*list < 1363264832 277647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363264845 926620 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. < 1363265130 516211 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1363265134 16207 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1363265142 712025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :God's in his heaven, all's right with the world. < 1363265177 733539 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still ^list though < 1363265205 447541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately fungot lacks the introspection capabilities that drive the advanced `list technology. < 1363265205 633536 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: defined in 108? < 1363265209 667364 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: yes. < 1363265210 132167 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: a bit down about the usage of common scheme. don't know if we can represent multiple, otherwise non-printable fnord < 1363265723 671965 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wtfs at the scrollbar http://tech.pro/tutorial/1152/demystifying-linq < 1363265815 473059 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t see anything wrong with the scrollbar. < 1363265875 384972 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes sites pull stuff like that < 1363265972 644590 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was something mystic about linq? < 1363266031 837017 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :think of a thing. i'm sure there's "something" "mystic" "about" "it" < 1363266049 809384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The way it can pull apart lambdas is weird. Which the article doesn't touch on < 1363266137 402139 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. I noticed that. < 1363266146 204232 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also doesn't mention IQueryable even thought it mentions databases at the start. < 1363266148 552058 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fail < 1363266185 646439 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :...do you know how it analyzes lambdas though? < 1363266208 794750 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol, r u ther < 1363266235 168654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but someone in the Reddit thread linked to a series of posts about it < 1363266238 928937 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://blogs.msdn.com/b/mattwar/archive/2008/11/18/linq-links.aspx < 1363266278 547855 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well the trick is that a lambda expression can either be compiled as a method or an expression tree < 1363266280 492511 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Depending on context. < 1363266301 150934 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a compiler trick. There are no "lambdas" at runtime < 1363266887 980597 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363270010 206190 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363271358 421875 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1363272335 117967 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363274106 371958 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363274128 575162 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1363275232 728758 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363275410 236452 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363275651 98173 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363276699 515100 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363276795 506816 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363276802 60525 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363276936 197821 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363276958 974176 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My maths class had a Pi day celebration today < 1363277010 146967 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was fun < 1363277167 966807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363277267 156329 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363277310 725802 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, I need to find an alternative to Google Reader < 1363277535 29087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just hang in there until the new specialiser-based list architecture is complete < 1363277828 854390 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But how will I keep track of these 16 webcomics < 1363277925 205015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Make 16 lists, have Sgeo keep track for you. < 1363278044 189292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wasn't Sgeo keeping track through reader though) < 1363278059 534102 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for Homestuck he has a bot in another channel) < 1363278068 375474 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And an app on my phone < 1363278073 807626 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think it's generally faster than reader) < 1363278107 268885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For OOTS I do have reader, but more often then not I notice for other reasons, like my Facebook page has the update < 1363278142 159046 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've noticed new OOTS often because someone liked my post about new OOTS < 1363278209 751655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo have you considered working at a webcomics update company < 1363278224 540087 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :put it on your cv < 1363278240 326062 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Telling You Things Are Happening LLC < 1363278263 520508 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"team player, will notify fellow coworkers of webcomic updates" < 1363278297 868641 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`popelist < 1363278299 571284 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: popelist: not found < 1363278304 59753 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363278353 715776 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363278523 886975 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo < 1363278524 882904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1363278525 523220 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did < 1363278526 336380 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you < 1363278527 643276 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :retweet < 1363278528 961006 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :piers < 1363278529 947177 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :morgan < 1363278587 851093 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have liked that particular tweet, even if I don't like his approach to arguing? Let me look for the tweet in question < 1363278594 246337 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he has a twitter? < 1363278601 176560 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeo i mean, of course morgan does < 1363278610 973973 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/sgeocomet < 1363278684 838873 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No offense, but it is annoying how the Trickster text isn't copy/pasteable and isn't searchable." important issues < 1363278697 924818 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Sgeo's name actually Sgeo < 1363278702 462875 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it... < 1363278705 697346 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sam Geometry < 1363278717 221186 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something < 1363278730 370605 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S. George Johanssen < 1363278743 341332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sam Geometry" does bear some similarity to my name < 1363278756 532544 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i mean it starts with the same letters and all < 1363278760 960786 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sébastien Gabriel Ernest Olivier? < 1363278788 504054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't your nick be Sgeotlhd < 1363278834 370563 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I used Tlhds as my currency name when I played NationStates when I was young < 1363278851 196703 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363278931 344593 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wired. Wierd. Weird, I mean. I open up Chromium's "Extensions" page, and drag-and-drop a UserScript .js into it; before I drop, it pops up the usual "drop to install" infobox, but when I actually drop, it just navigates to that file as it would if I drag-and-dropped any file into any regular tab. < 1363278952 797286 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1363278957 33660 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1363278957 184092 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW WEIRD < 1363279025 715977 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It did not do that at wurk. < 1363279034 73084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though that was real Chrome, not the diet-Chromium. < 1363279130 877562 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363279534 180729 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol < 1363279541 225412 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: only now. < 1363280070 340857 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alright, I now have Thunderbird set up < 1363281808 992075 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363281821 97280 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363281914 658050 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :News in Hexham: "Extra day scrapped" < 1363281930 73665 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Miner's race goes downhill this year!" < 1363281931 507169 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363281972 581007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :down _through_ the hill, one would assume. < 1363282008 212592 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One would assume that, yes < 1363282016 155224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :any person to hit lava automatically wins. < 1363282027 751046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :posthumously. < 1363282713 85476 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363282959 295740 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how quickly I could put together a Scandinavia and the World's Finland cosplay < 1363282985 218437 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buy a knife and a vodka bottle < 1363282987 597669 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :done < 1363283008 230916 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll also need a hat < 1363283026 151300 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hat is important, as is the facial hair. < 1363283138 912178 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already have the facial hair < 1363283149 550779 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hat isn't too hard to get hold of < 1363283331 952219 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the word that Finland said again? < 1363283342 549953 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perkele < 1363283347 663983 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SATW is wonderful < 1363283373 833282 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: thanks! < 1363283619 988096 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1363284044 287480 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SATW updates rather rarely. < 1363284196 297976 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like the third least updatey webcomic I read < 1363284222 821913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELER updates quite rarely too. < 1363284233 436903 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think dresden codak might update even slower? < 1363284268 471188 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The second and first are Awkward Fumbles and Goost 26 < 1363284285 727614 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goost 26 is a sci-fi comic written by some guy my dad used to know < 1363284340 227737 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the webcomics i has like two years between updates, it's great, it always goes dead between < 1363284341 91666 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are like 9 new Dresden Codak storyline strips since I last looked. < 1363284369 806908 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I'm going to an anime con soon where I know there will be a lot of Axis Powers: Hetalia fans < 1363284388 354271 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to look. last update: august 2010 < 1363284403 614692 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just don't mention you like a ship that they don't! < 1363284438 556054 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hungary/abkhazia 4 lyfe < 1363284453 734461 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I'm gonna cosplay SATW and confuse everyone < 1363284465 516201 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and now I'm thinking about all of the countries in gundam 00 for some reason < 1363284472 563899 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and their future-history of the middle east and ethnic conflicts < 1363284522 201234 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it predict syria < 1363284578 473993 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's much farther future, like, one thing that happens is the kurds finally secede and create their own country, which naturally gets involved in another mess of an ethnic conflict resulting in its absorption into a neighboring country again < 1363284588 372731 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the protagonist is kurdish) < 1363284609 227467 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kurdish independence? it really is science fiction < 1363284617 347839 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it also does the whole "gosh what happens when the middle east runs out of oil" thing < 1363284643 146531 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much of the show's plot sort of revolves around the massive economic problems caused by a switch to global solar energy, and the obsoleting of oil < 1363284681 890442 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1363284706 58305 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't the middle east still be pretty good for solar energy? < 1363284846 298810 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the basic premise is that there was a huge project to build an orbital solar collector (as a ring) connected to the earth by 3 big space elevators < 1363284921 811347 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: http://www.theonion.com/2056-06-22/news/6/ < 1363284953 264790 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this would surely solve conflicts over energy and resources, right? well except of course the power blocs that own the 3 big space elevators have a lot of coercive power since they can say "do X or you don't get power" < 1363284958 667540 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, heh < 1363285023 792920 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's a lot of political conflict in countries that aren't part of the major blocks, with fundamentalists and nationalists who don't want to accede to the demands of the major power blocks, and resent their imperialism < 1363285223 444246 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: actually, like, seriousthought. I can't think of any other tv show, like, ever, with a seriously portrayed/not-stereotypical middle-eastern protagonist o_O < 1363285251 570786 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can think of another anime, though he's half-japanese because it's anime. < 1363285300 732088 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe Community? I haven't seen it. Also he's probably American. < 1363285316 668131 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Community is an anime now? < 1363285323 118069 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I said shooowwwww < 1363285328 549206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would watch that < 1363285333 687643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually they already did a short anime segment < 1363285367 321446 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah like I am fangirling over this show now that I've finished it and it was kinda wonderful and stuff < 1363285389 824617 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do TV adaptations of the Bible maybe count < 1363285410 85171 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're not whitewashed, anyhow < 1363285412 980052 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how many of those don't have white people playing moses < 1363285423 972572 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, I don't think that counts for a modern portrayal <.< < 1363285449 478830 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than that all that comes to mind is media by them < 1363285457 537542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Mosque_on_the_Prairie < 1363285460 590275 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like uh... what was that popular cartoon that woman did. something opolis < 1363285504 607447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While the show does derive some of its humour from exploring the interactions of the Muslims with the non-Muslim townspeople of Mercy... at its core the show is essentially a traditional sitcom whose most unique trait is the simple fact of being set among an underrepresented and misunderstood cultural community" < 1363285519 574239 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, i've heard good things about it < 1363285525 740762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't seen it < 1363285527 65776 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's on Hulu < 1363285538 627345 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! persepolis, that was it < 1363285578 51170 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, that looks rather cool < 1363285610 962917 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a saudi arabian guy on SA who did some comics about his life, they're weird to read (because, well, it's not that different) < 1363285663 741292 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently members of the family are usually entitled jerks < 1363285983 322027 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://al-saqr.deviantart.com/art/Cartoon-Racism-265518461 ah there we go. this is great < 1363286170 145527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the onion has good over the top right wing political cartoons < 1363286178 563063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes they always include the statue of liberty crying in a corner < 1363286212 246595 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You've Got Fail < 1363286256 154269 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o no < 1363286275 886313 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you seen Kelly's youtube videos < 1363286286 10464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1363286296 569570 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVtbkQMwJS4 you should < 1363286375 139842 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363286420 393984 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1363286812 319854 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1363286812 469932 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where can I get or make a t-shirt bearing the flag of Finland < 1363286834 959806 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@google finland flag t-shirt < 1363286836 969534 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.zazzle.com/finland_flag_t_shirt-235009520674383859 < 1363286837 131034 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Title: Finland Flag T-shirt from Zazzle.com < 1363286840 343830 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's that < 1363286862 337267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wouldn't the flag of Hexham be more appropriate for you? < 1363286949 416435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363287020 162248 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, Hexham does not have a flag < 1363287029 150545 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, that's not quite what I want < 1363287040 601470 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb < 1363287049 988232 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363287163 214657 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363287287 468780 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://robrhinehart.com/ < 1363287295 576690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carbohydrates (200g): Any molecule consisting only of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. Flour, corn, bread, rice, pasta, your cells don't care. < 1363287312 391585 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, i never realised phenol was a great way to get some carbs < 1363287366 264620 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Raw Potassium is extremely reactive, so I use potassium gluconate, C6H11KO7." < 1363287371 428959 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this guy knows his stuff < 1363287386 614748 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh apparently that's actually how "carbohydrate" is defined < 1363287415 231561 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not nutritionally, obviously < 1363287421 405946 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it also required a 2:1 ratio of hydrogen to oxygen < 1363287421 632957 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1363287425 659906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1363287425 810350 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott said 1d 2h 11m 42s ago: any idea about http://esolangs.org/w/index.php?title=DNA-Sharp&curid=2720&diff=35666&oldid=31940? site owner, maybe? < 1363287437 749215 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently not < 1363287439 549146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :all edible carbohydrates I know of have that ratio < 1363287452 187347 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some exceptions exist; for example, deoxyribose, a component of DNA, has the empirical formula C_5H_10O_4" < 1363287473 256863 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's where the "deoxy" in the name comes from < 1363287477 220256 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has one less oxygen than it should < 1363287491 307844 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a loser of a carb < 1363287548 162574 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bakelite counts too i guess < 1363287557 681852 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wow, there aren't many common polymers with oxygen in them) < 1363287583 677403 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-76.elisa.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363287600 126002 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: i like the idea of monopotassium being something you'd ever even consider eating < 1363287610 370809 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363287612 165408 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" For others such as K, P, Ca, Mg, check your local lab supply store or university." < 1363287614 493147 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nylon has some oxygens here and there. < 1363287621 374350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus christ this guy is an idiot < 1363287632 222583 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not an idiot! < 1363287643 185451 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363287647 641749 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :check your local lab supply store for your necessary calcium < 1363287657 48351 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean man, even if this wasn't cracked, think of the logistical issues. < 1363287830 931066 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what like < 1363287891 838085 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1363287935 22062 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :logistical issues < 1363287953 113749 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean beyond not understanding the term 'fit for human consumption' < 1363287965 977791 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, consider if this guy got a following < 1363287987 614508 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think lab supply places have sufficient output of calcium to support more than a few people (if they could support people) < 1363288046 39949 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363288060 544391 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363288074 520292 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though i don't know his ideology, why would you ever come up with this shit < 1363288083 84321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you were Sgeo? < 1363288090 968543 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean i guess there are people who just don't enjoy food < 1363288094 612079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: you will survive on cellulose < 1363288102 413559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what wonderful carbohydrates that are full of nutrition < 1363288132 210686 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :eating grass would be more survivable than phenol, that's for sure < 1363288133 800063 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363288140 505164 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :phenol? < 1363288171 579930 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C6H5OH < 1363288178 222872 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phenol_2_grams.jpg mm-mm, good < 1363288180 593051 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lignin < 1363288186 567720 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :delicious, nutricious lignin < 1363288204 371381 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, it's benzene with an OH group stuck on < 1363288213 169953 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lignin_structure.svg Wow, what a compound. < 1363288216 474152 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably carcinogenic, i haven't checked < 1363288230 339924 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's an acid, it burns through your skin < 1363288247 225634 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure you'd survive to test the cancerousness of it < 1363288265 711929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it apparently isn't actually carcinogenic < 1363288271 882054 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm this means i am presently surrounded by towers of lignin. awesome < 1363288295 524992 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :however: "Repeated or prolonged skin contact with phenol may cause dermatitis, or even second and third-degree burns.[35] Inhalation of phenol vapor may cause lung edema.[34] The substance may cause harmful effects on the central nervous system and heart, resulting in dysrhythmia, seizures, and coma.[36]" < 1363288298 196373 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1363288298 668077 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-47-35.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1363288298 818161 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363288316 581999 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, so the guy making the drink thing that replaces food doesn't know what he's talking about? < 1363288317 820019 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION sads < 1363288352 43553 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could also be that the articles are dumbing it down? < 1363288360 84631 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lignin structure looks like a maze < 1363288365 125726 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, from his site < 1363288379 455130 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i think suggesting going to lab supply stores for your meals is beyond dumbing it down < 1363288379 605622 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, well I can't see anything glaringly wrong with the actual ingredients, though I'm no expert. < 1363288399 410048 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, oh, I thought the channel was pointing out glaringly wrong things or something < 1363288402 35530 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But putting any lab-grade chemicals in your mouth is very stupid indee. < 1363288404 658083 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*indeed < 1363288450 893920 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh wow < 1363288453 897823 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kind of crazy < 1363288472 770860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, hmm, why? < 1363288475 892020 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you can get a lot of powdered food-grade vitamins and minerals and stuff online easily enough? < 1363288489 164985 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are the materials likely to be impure? < 1363288489 434663 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard it's a lot cheaper than actually buying capsules if you really really feel like measuring it all out < 1363288493 768323 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: your body is not used to handling pure potassium. < 1363288499 356483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, because lab-grade chemicals are filtered to remove stuff that will fuck up the reactions. < 1363288515 769208 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the form of the mineral is super important < 1363288519 192398 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is not the same as filtering them to remove stuff that will kill or harm you. < 1363288524 611440 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, oh no he got that bit right. < 1363288533 344962 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, so he's not asking you to get raw potassium < 1363288541 899321 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :He seemed chuffed that he'd avoided such an obvious beginner's mistake. < 1363288546 88410 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: "Carbohydrates (200g): Any molecule consisting only of Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen. Flour, corn, bread, rice, pasta, your cells don't care." this could be dumbing it down but if so it is very dangerous dumbing < 1363288556 866354 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah :/ < 1363288571 710005 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even among edible carbodydrates, that is just, agh, so wrong < 1363288577 308130 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fructose and glucose use completely different metabolic pathways < 1363288610 532768 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1363288640 165672 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, what could kill you that wouldn't fuck up lab reactions? < 1363288648 216949 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :potassium < 1363288657 377349 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would literally explode in your mouth < 1363288664 17408 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, besides the actual substance in question < 1363288665 986777 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe isomers of something that you'renot supposed to eat isomers of? < 1363288672 561658 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, really pure lab ethanol contains significant quantities of benzene, iirc. < 1363288698 855403 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or like, a chemical that is 99% of The Molecule You Want and 1% of a Similar Thing With Slightly Changed Structure That Causes Cancer < 1363288711 985017 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you know chem labs usually have "do not eat or drink anything in this room" rules for a reason < 1363288725 153387 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it removes water more effectively than distillation. < 1363288729 43958 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing in some cases the chemical synthesis pathways might be different, like there's an easy way to make some chemical X, but produces small amounts of dangerous thing Y, so food synthesis has to use a different, more expensive pathway? < 1363288764 305352 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I'm totally guessing < 1363288770 46013 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know anything about organic chemistry < 1363288807 653646 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think like with the ethanol example you can also have something which doesn't matter for food but will mess with experiments. < 1363288827 566661 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, there was a great example! trans fats < 1363288828 773020 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363288844 731323 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're just a mirrored isomer of something fine, butthey turned out to be toxic < 1363288917 607483 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trans fats??? < 1363288934 294818 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they are called "trans" because they're mirrored, cool < 1363288943 548235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION still likes the core idea of not having to eat food < 1363288944 893799 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems really obvious in retrospect < 1363288953 542556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not actually why < 1363288984 29450 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s what wikipedia says < 1363288985 995985 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trans refers to the way the carbons are arranged around a double bond < 1363289006 522983 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mreeeeeeh cistrans, mirrored, same diff < 1363289038 614240 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :compare http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Trans-2-butene.svg and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cis-2-butene.svg < 1363289041 234474 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :freakin' transphobia < 1363289063 882910 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thalidomides have a toxic enantiomer, though < 1363289117 303916 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thalidomides have a non-toxic isomer? < 1363289143 539362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the one that cures morning sickness < 1363289150 259236 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other one causes birth defects < 1363289151 245539 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the fundamental problem here is probably that your body is "designed" to deal with regular food, and any protein pellet like thing is basically going to have to hack around that < 1363289196 590887 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/qntm < 1363289217 672150 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pie! < 1363289279 690401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Funny, I only noticed on the qntm subreddits, but it's a Reddit thing < 1363289375 594255 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck qntm < 1363289376 329314 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Software description: repo for gollum based wiki - qntm (JavaScript). < 1363289388 645628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, i think this is that thing that kmc complains about where people think that just by being clever enough you can solve any problem you feel like < 1363289409 487091 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it seems to come up a lot in relation to the medical sciences. < 1363289433 463559 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd say that you can solve any problem you like but sometimes the solution is worse than the problem < 1363289437 748065 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thankfully sgeo isn't peddling alkaline water or something < 1363289479 259044 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should buy this water oxygenation machine! < 1363289486 21628 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with my CS degree I am automatically an expert in law, medicine, and politics < 1363289486 852747 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :proven to increase the size of my wallet for each one Iell! < 1363289487 987731 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sell < 1363289519 327327 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, btw i won't complain if you complain about this guy < 1363289535 798225 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this guy = bike? < 1363289548 430586 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah bike sucks < 1363289551 932913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1363289557 211897 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but no he means uh < 1363289564 761587 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://robrhinehart.com/ this guy < 1363289576 159349 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note that while bike sucks, biking as an action is fine) < 1363289592 328789 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: apparently Kurzweil is into it. sad < 1363289617 636506 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's the one who eats like, 200 different health supplements < 1363289621 587475 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363289630 692357 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shotgun approach to health < 1363289663 547929 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it was elliott who said, "the singularity will occur the day before ray kurzweil would otherwise die" < 1363289667 142824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well at least this person has done /some/ relevant research < 1363289670 606745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also is collecting data < 1363289681 930190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though mostly anecdata < 1363289688 522345 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :best data < 1363289749 963312 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, well for me the most damning parts were him saying that all carbohydrates are the same, and that he thinks a lab supplier is a good source of ingredients. < 1363289792 118827 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what we need is more molecular gastronomists < 1363289797 75052 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well lab suppliers give you ingredients at higher purity than a particular supermarket < 1363289800 683303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's normally higher than you need < 1363289807 118652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: there's Heston Blumenthal < 1363289810 383785 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if there are any others, though < 1363289818 162732 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the real issue is how much I suck at installing graphics card < 1363289830 342116 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, we talked about this earlier, lab reagents are not safe for human consumption. < 1363289853 779898 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have impurities that are fine in a lab but toxic to humans < 1363289856 893392 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363289858 855663 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1363289868 245438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'An Introduction to Graphviz via R. Kelly’s “Trapped in the Closet” Hip Hopera' < 1363289871 203186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1363289872 507450 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this might actually be the best blog < 1363289883 786174 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it involves trapped in the closet it is the best blog < 1363289891 929256 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man, they're making a relationship graph, aren't they! < 1363289893 731116 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitchin < 1363289912 47166 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the one Weird Al parodied < 1363289915 999621 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1363289930 38055 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has to be seen to be believed < 1363289935 865457 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-L-Cp3qZfQ < 1363289965 646401 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha, someone who does know their shit: http://robrhinehart.com/?p=424#comment-514 < 1363289996 25194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, isn't that cop the biology teacher from community < 1363290003 769197 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :notable for having R Kelly trying to sound Southern < 1363290022 278005 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't know < 1363290100 579496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :miiidget... miiidget... miiidget < 1363290106 358273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was taking the piss, right < 1363290132 480473 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, the midget is properly introduced in the next episode < 1363290161 925666 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :his name is Big Man, because he has a huge penis < 1363290200 737675 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :he says "bridget get your ass back" < 1363290215 881558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then he continues to rough up the midget as though the midget was under attack < 1363290227 233090 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363290262 562646 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is pretty meta because Kelly plays the main character but /also/ the narrator there, and they are separate < 1363290272 657264 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but this isn't clear up until he comes out of the closet! < 1363290362 251054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, i understand, is actually not an allegory at all < 1363290433 687690 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it kind of is, the whole story is about people lying to each other about sexual conduct < 1363290436 618406 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: didn't the guy also make a thing about how he used complex carbohydrates for health reasons? < 1363290437 927522 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :most of them aren't gay though < 1363290448 773054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, idk < 1363290459 980524 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, all his descriptions seem to be confusing <.< < 1363290562 143137 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i overlooked this passage: "It's a difficult field because there are simply too many variables and the parameters are difficult to control precisely. This is why diets are fads. I decided to ditch nutrition and focus on biology." < 1363290590 668175 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very inclined to introspection, this guy < 1363290672 824032 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but nutrition is biology < 1363290697 671608 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess by focusing on biology he's eliminated all those variables and parameters < 1363290721 978332 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: he's apparently missing choline which is apparently important < 1363290751 58010 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bodies are basically linear operators, donchaknow < 1363290797 970043 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also he didn't realise you can't absorb both iron and calcium at once < 1363290834 635805 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's almost as if human nutrition is a complex field you can sink years into studying full-time < 1363290843 944990 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: you still haven't announced fiorasm on fioraaeterna have you < 1363290867 538330 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trying to go nutrient by nutrient seems really dangerous because I don't think we actually know all of the essential nutrients? < 1363290887 968224 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably too reductionist to actually work < 1363290892 249232 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm I guess I don't figure most of my followers would be interested < 1363290904 14131 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you'll be surprised! < 1363290911 855025 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you only have to press space once Fiora < 1363290930 519597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things he's left out: fibre, probiotics < 1363290945 93965 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fiber is just carbohydrates, they're all the same! < 1363291037 244029 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :carbohydrates will never be the same! < 1363291112 176111 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean if he was working with actual scientists something useful might come of this, but at present he's just going to end up making an idiot of himself < 1363291193 251040 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chemical engineers doing nutrition could be cool < 1363291301 794894 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :biologists would be more useful; the aim would be to see if he's missing anything by monitoring his health rigorously < 1363291304 211922 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363291315 285273 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe that's already been tried though? < 1363291323 818340 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably duriing the cold war at some point < 1363291329 357972 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things he's missing: boron, silicon < 1363291337 574474 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also one of the responses to that comment you linked was "well then how do you explain that he felt well!" so < 1363291385 142090 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363291422 41553 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't believe nobody's pointed out to him that "i feel good" vs. "my intestine-sense tells me i lack iron" is a godawful way of measuring anything < 1363291442 88680 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1363291450 433803 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, you should point it out < 1363291549 128181 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel go-urgh < 1363291552 148878 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is dead < 1363291559 744336 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :R.I.P. < 1363291560 418842 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no! he was so young < 1363291565 257426 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is dead due to lack of boron in his intestine < 1363291570 890260 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so young and boronic < 1363291578 720602 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Here lies Taneb, no more hellos from him. < 1363291609 277687 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also apparently his soy protein base contains a compound that binds to oestrogen receptors < 1363291610 817123 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to teach something very basic and practical of programming (with PHP, unfortunately) to a bunch of people that have absolutely no idea about programming (or computers really) in about 40 minutes. What could I possible teach them? < 1363291616 653498 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pours borax on Taneb. may your afterlife be boron-rich. amen. < 1363291624 665904 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a meal and a sex change, all in a glass! < 1363291659 74209 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: stereotypical example like the guessing game < 1363291674 104031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I used to use stereogram generators as an example of that, the algorithm is really really simple, like 7 or 8 lines in most languages < 1363291695 896356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Ribbit < 1363291907 338641 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that would be great a really great idea, although I'm not sure if they're aware of stereograms < 1363291918 698396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363291943 794462 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: one problem is that it needs decent support for 2D arrays, as well as some sensible way to provide an input image < 1363291947 266537 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ASCII art is sufficient for output < 1363292031 388556 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I can explain 2D arrays and image input to people who have not written a single line of code before though... < 1363292053 579992 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You make that program which asks your name, and your age, and then prints out "Hello, , you are year(s) old." < 1363292058 882661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's, like, so exciting. < 1363292070 838285 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: yeah, that's why I brought it up as a problem < 1363292107 451806 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Show them a grid of things < 1363292127 313294 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the problem seems to be that most of the typical examples are pretty boring < 1363292174 508529 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: sure, although I'm already having trouble finding one thing < 1363292218 628070 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Regarding "An Introduction to Graphviz via R. Kelly’s 'Trapped in the Closet' Hip Hopera", JPG for graphviz output, really? < 1363292230 272895 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: Why do you have to teach them? < 1363292233 911440 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :worst blog every kmc < 1363292235 763714 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ever* < 1363292276 56168 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1363292280 483687 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: maybe try to explain it using televisions as an example? < 1363292297 229816 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's harder nowadays since they're not tubes and you can't describe a beam going across a screen < 1363292330 525767 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, because they want to learn something (it's not a compulsory thing), and because I would like to get them interested in programming in general < 1363292434 983172 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When do you have to do this? A classic approach would be to post an Ask Slashdot topic about it. < 1363292440 761283 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTest: I suggest you show them cool magic < 1363292456 161898 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But, are you a cool magician? :) < 1363292607 230321 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363292643 466785 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363292784 372598 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: I'm a really bad magician I think. < 1363292799 422880 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: next week, Thursday < 1363292827 175399 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of the coolest things possible is live-coding some cool graphics/music < 1363292830 553972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it's perhaps too soon. < 1363292832 713244 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in php < 1363292841 999346 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :PHP gives you extra wizard points < 1363292876 490701 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just use the demo_makecool() function from the standard lib < 1363292891 567566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The coolest thing you can possibly do is show them how to write a constraint solver. < 1363292894 823692 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: but they don't know what a function means in PHP! < 1363292934 705361 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, show them an eodermdrome interpreter < 1363292956 558280 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: In PHP? < 1363293001 685544 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A visual eodermdrome IDE. < 1363293022 93601 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Written in eodermdrome < 1363293022 659508 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh great lord < 1363293032 889881 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a backbone of PHP < 1363293043 860493 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Let's just teach them brainfuck as a first language" < 1363293066 433943 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure they'll be delighted by this great abstraction < 1363293078 567773 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :teach them trustfuck, sgeo has a degree and trust is important in trusted enterprise applications < 1363293111 613486 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just start at beginning of the wiki's language list, and see how far you can get in 40 minutes. < 1363293123 825485 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1363293132 688758 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except that it means you'll start with !!!Batch. < 1363293138 854374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was perhaps not the best advice. < 1363293146 86864 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you have to go through brainfuck derivatives? < 1363293155 366684 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what's wrong with !!!Batch? < 1363293188 101712 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. !!!Batch is not a good idea. < 1363293217 756233 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :start with the !Kung languages, clearly < 1363293257 317757 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no "Batch derivatives" category, I see. < 1363293286 130727 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's only like one person who ever batch derivatives? < 1363293296 925665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, but there's more than one of them. < 1363293302 987731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's Numeric Batch, for example. < 1363293335 207617 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :He Is Also Working On A New Language < 1363293337 628720 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I'm pretty sure there was more than just !!!Batch and Numeric Batch. < 1363293338 413021 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1363293348 354430 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363293354 567600 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's "Poison" < 1363293373 988729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I was thinking of Poison. < 1363293383 305092 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's a... Python derivative, arguably? < 1363293409 424609 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :like python without actual control flow? < 1363293414 980288 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except for exit) < 1363293420 615800 :ogrom!~del@gprs-inet-65-76.elisa.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1363293433 26982 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ow. < 1363293438 84243 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh but you can do dip("python module") it seems < 1363293447 133153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to recall you can just use regular Python, too. < 1363293452 842118 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd write your code in python, and then load it < 1363293459 50462 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All the foo()s are just additional functions. < 1363293465 936140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I might misremember.) < 1363293504 891140 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it has a sq (sqrt) function but not addition < 1363293515 956050 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess sqrt was more important < 1363293547 443042 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me, or is it not quite an esolang? < 1363293589 556971 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: It's weird < 1363293642 769798 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's also terrifying. < 1363293697 822991 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Numeric Batch Was Created By Shubshub To Make Programming In Batch More Challenging and to Make it seem Better as it is Theoreticly Unreadable" < 1363293710 361086 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good esolang name < 1363293720 946864 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, it seems better because it's not readable < 1363293821 133948 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, I'll see what I teach them. I think it might be nice if they can sort of work towards a certain program during the 40 minutes. < 1363293891 534777 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363294085 52948 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363294715 401133 :wareya_!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1363294906 589223 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363295360 810417 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363295592 711770 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363295645 321029 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363295740 383056 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363295829 904071 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363295867 274275 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1363295897 386409 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363296145 406122 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363296184 936482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363296552 872663 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (\_ _ -> GT) "Hello, world!" < 1363296554 612355 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "!dlrow ,olleH" < 1363296741 531020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> sortBy (\_ _ -> EQ) "Hello, world!" -- is it stable? < 1363296743 343496 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "Hello, world!" < 1363296758 33777 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Every letter is born equal. < 1363297522 527868 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what book by kurt vonnegut should i read.. < 1363297535 733964 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not an expert on that < 1363297557 759057 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1363297583 254409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all i read was ``cat's cradle`` and ''slaughterhouse-five'' and they were both good < 1363297614 803772 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about the rosenberg one < 1363297626 546365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one is that one < 1363297668 508671 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Breakfast of Champions < 1363298794 268599 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363298844 383136 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363298998 587688 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363299452 212844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was Cat's Cradle the one with ice-nine? < 1363299471 587948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Not to be confused with Ice IX", I'm sure Wikipedia says. < 1363299792 377266 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1363299805 738861 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, it does say that, since ice ix is an actual form of water. < 1363299986 811230 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1363300190 604546 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363300200 626630 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363300650 663657 :boily!~boily@ip-208-88-110-45.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363301309 338632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363301597 632102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363301821 318259 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363301895 935811 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363301909 199035 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363301939 648510 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363302583 130507 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1363304000 40029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, this show is amazing < 1363304019 643889 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should still watch PMMM < 1363304638 581165 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, how often do time related epsiodes occur? < 1363304642 665709 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I really like this one < 1363304659 376006 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Back and Back and Back to the Future" < 1363304672 505747 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(still watching) < 1363305025 44397 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363305578 492386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, not... that much, i think? < 1363305591 264840 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aww < 1363305597 837943 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This was a good episode :) < 1363305601 443564 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there are a lot of episodes that do their own take on some TV sci-fi cliche < 1363305631 520241 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who was the character in SG-1 who a similar thing happened to? < 1363305643 642849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Was it the character that this same actor played? < 1363305682 383623 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you seem to be under the impression i've watched sg-1 < 1363305686 16022 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1363305698 656483 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why's the kind of (->) have question marks in it? < 1363305801 430597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :λ> :k (->) < 1363305801 620623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(->) :: * -> * -> * < 1363305825 736672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: In older versions of GHC it was a thing related to unboxed types and such. < 1363305838 196277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pretend it's * -> * -> * < 1363305851 108918 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, just checking. < 1363305860 124580 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, (iirc the next episode is A Good One) < 1363305868 905573 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the one after that is definitely a good one_ < 1363305875 849587 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :then there's another good one two after that < 1363305918 635908 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, does this mean to imply that there are episodes that aren't good? < 1363305927 271255 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k (-> Int) -- parse error? < 1363305929 44013 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `Int' < 1363305929 689732 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there bad episodes? < 1363305948 756512 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well uh < 1363305958 546494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't watch episode 14 < 1363305974 326197 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo do watch episode 14 and compare it negatively to PMMM < 1363305977 382344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, you can't section (->) < 1363305992 567616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact you can't section any type-level things. < 1363305993 644839 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, you are the worst? < 1363305995 71819 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: why not? I mean, :k ((->) Int) works. < 1363306005 73308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ((->) Int) is (Int ->), first of all. < 1363306008 182658 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1363306018 645806 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, (Int ->) doesn't work either. < 1363306022 597069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would be nice if the syntax (Int ->) worked. Maybe 4someone should add it. < 1363306036 11058 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(4someone = you) < 1363306044 871940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just a little sugar thing, though. < 1363306054 622121 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'coure. < 1363306055 352447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sections don't make as much sense on the type level because there are no type lambdas. < 1363306056 524646 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :course* < 1363306073 593382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I.e. (-> Int) doesn't make sense, because there's nothing reasonable you can translate it to. < 1363306077 164931 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and I suppose I can't do flip (->) Int to get (-> Int). < 1363306125 3033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1363306305 672888 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think something's gone funny with my video playback < 1363306324 698000 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes sections repeat < 1363306347 209783 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or... hmm, not sure < 1363306438 547595 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After this episode going to work on blog post. < 1363306497 658083 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goddammit Hulu, clicking the side != restart video < 1363306569 471572 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's more time shenanigans??? < 1363306854 611905 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hulu's been acting up < 1363307049 855211 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1363307350 41408 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363307413 444716 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sup < 1363307759 69585 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm stumbling on something for my small VM for video games < 1363307785 773417 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs a jit obviously < 1363307788 641555 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some types of gfx effects will be kinda slow < 1363307801 236965 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alpha blending in particular < 1363307820 104736 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I don't even wanna think about bilinear interpolation < 1363307922 38656 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bilinear interpolation is just, like, a horizontal filter then a filter filter, right? < 1363307928 359297 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's only two taps so it shouldn't be that atrocious < 1363307983 404854 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's for like, whole images, you could probably use an existing library even :o < 1363308068 748843 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bilinear interpolation murders most CPUs actually < 1363308071 178512 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like < 1363308075 334771 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 reads instead of 1 < 1363308101 271215 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then interpolation across 3 or 4 color channels (RGB or RGBA) < 1363308131 265859 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you have to do any more reads... < 1363308149 685109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, like, if you need to bilinearly interpolate a 16x16 region, you only need a 17x17 region as input, I think? < 1363308164 435605 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what you're describing is a filter, not bilinear < 1363308166 339114 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey haskellites, what is fail for < 1363308177 133071 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like an odd thing to have in Monad < 1363308186 455387 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but... a bilinear interpolator is just an H filter and a V filter unless it's not separable... < 1363308189 753019 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right...? < 1363308221 396766 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : if your polygon is not rotated and your scaling factor is integer then you can do it that way yes < 1363308235 951954 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scaling factor is integer? < 1363308246 32200 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah like you're scaling 2x or 3x or 4x < 1363308249 643308 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not 2.2352x < 1363308257 947296 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that's required, I think the good algorithms can do it even when it's fractional < 1363308261 100189 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, lemme test < 1363308277 819264 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's fractionnal then you get a branch in the middle of the algo I think < 1363308312 929840 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think swscale has a thing where it JITs a horizontal scaler for your given scaling percentage, I have no idea how it works though < 1363308316 530087 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very expensive when your pipeline is super short but on more modern architectures you get the branch penalty half the time < 1363308346 468704 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: yeah exactly < 1363308380 825514 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :once you add rotation the whole thing falls apart < 1363308397 266304 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you have to do 4 real pixel reads and then interpolate the values < 1363308401 913569 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotation is icky :< < 1363308436 813726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fail is for pattern match failure < 1363308445 551934 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { Just x <- return Nothing; return x } < 1363308447 39444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (m0 b0)) < 1363308447 190720 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of `M91964446... < 1363308457 487401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { Just x <- return Nothing; return x } :: [Int] < 1363308458 961779 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1363308477 956694 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok not the most illustrative example < 1363308484 400970 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do { Just x <- return Nothing; return x } :: Maybe Int < 1363308489 683283 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er. < 1363308491 425934 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { Just x <- return Nothing; return x } :: Maybe Int < 1363308493 199137 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1363308494 370959 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the thing to the left of <- can be a pattern; if it fails to match, 'fail' is invoked < 1363308509 179962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo 'fail' shouldn't be in Monad but in some MonadFail class which is additionall required if you use refutable patterns in 'd' < 1363308509 705219 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :with what? < 1363308512 236030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'do'* < 1363308526 66029 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rigel's an idiot (I'm still watching episode) < 1363308526 612183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with some compiler-specific description of the pattern match failure < 1363308536 131708 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good error detection < 1363308547 751078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> do { Just x <- return Nothing; return x } :: State Int Int < 1363308549 385787 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show < 1363308549 546000 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (Control.Monad.Trans.Sta... < 1363308556 938928 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fail "foo" :: IO Int < 1363308557 457313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> execState (do { Just x <- return Nothing; return x } :: State Int Int) < 1363308558 785750 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (GHC.Types.IO GHC.Types.Int)) < 1363308558 949737 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising fro... < 1363308559 112297 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1363308563 701837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fuck's sake < 1363308569 224241 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :L.hs is my favorite file < 1363308574 887691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the point i'm /trying/ to make is that a lot of monads don't have anything sensible to do with 'fail' < 1363308581 280574 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah that's why i'm asking < 1363308586 814373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only some monads represent error handling / alternatives / nondeterminism < 1363308595 196104 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like fail "foo" :: [whatever] being [] is... odd < 1363308597 470915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and even then, you might not want to allow silent pattern match failure < 1363308608 919585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it IS quite convenient when e.g. doing nondeterministic programming with [] < 1363308629 738762 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, you can have type variables in ::, of course you can < 1363308635 660015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> fail "foo" :: [a] < 1363308637 551761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] < 1363308643 456611 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: http://privatepaste.com/824967e6a8 okay wow this is actually crazy < 1363308648 428822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type variables to the right of :: are implicitly universally quantified < 1363308663 403996 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aren't type variables implicitly universally quantified in general? < 1363308673 876567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless they are explicitly universally quantified ;P < 1363308676 975286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's an extension < 1363308685 388664 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i noticed < 1363308687 876524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or introduced from an outer scope, which is also an extension < 1363308692 542432 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i tried to get my pedant on and it didn't work. sad < 1363308700 92760 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: "This scaler is made of runtime-generated MMXEXT code using specially tuned pshufw instructions." metal < 1363308712 37950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :savagely hand-optimized assembler < 1363308733 584109 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363308747 978758 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if one could do even better with pmaddubsw < 1363308752 250613 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up, notices x86_reg as a typename. wat < 1363308769 666898 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... I'd guess it's the size of a native register? < 1363308775 130932 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, 32-bit on x86_32, 64-bit on x86_64 < 1363308775 618749 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess < 1363308785 425392 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mostly it just reminds me of how ineffectual "register" apparently is < 1363308801 288764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i can explain the question mark kinds if you like < 1363308801 650456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if you're on x86_16 < 1363308811 269794 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing this code doesn't work on 16-bit <.< < 1363308817 538620 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses mprotect >.> < 1363308818 182347 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah this is crazy stuff < 1363308818 459778 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, go ahead. (i've gotten around to reading haskell in haskell) < 1363308828 443238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well do you know how unboxed types work in GHC < 1363308830 363160 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i read spj's paper about I# and such if that helps < 1363308834 831490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1363308845 353528 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but otherwise no, i don't really < 1363308847 153030 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: hm, now I wonder how much of the instructions added after the 386 work in real mode < 1363308852 198092 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: probably not many < 1363308873 768122 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Int is represented, like every Haskell value, as a pointer to a heap object. but Int# is represented as a bare machine word < 1363308877 678837 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this much you may already know) < 1363308884 360402 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363308901 837475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so for example values of type Int# can't be passed to polymorphic functions, which are compiled only once for all types and expect to treat those values uniformly < 1363308911 642137 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so Int# has to be a different kind of type than Int < 1363308920 765745 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, clever < 1363308931 776936 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in old GHC that kind is named # < 1363308939 888373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has some alphabetic name now < 1363308958 907324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what's the kind of (->), the type constructor of function types? < 1363308973 586746 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose you want to support Int# -> Int# and such < 1363308973 952330 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions are all represented by heap objects, so it's ... -> * < 1363308981 406732 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: huh, weirdly, a lot of new ones apparently can o_O < 1363308982 536164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the arg and return types can be either boxed or unboxed < 1363308988 602815 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh, ?? being a union of * and # seems like it would be really weird < 1363308990 124426 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like "popcnt" has a 16-bit real mode version and apparently works in real mode? < 1363308992 901911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is really weird < 1363308995 270247 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's... that's like, SSE4 < 1363308997 319703 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1363308998 639362 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like subtyping at kind level < 1363308999 980873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there you go < 1363309002 584114 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1363309022 228453 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyhow < 1363309025 741736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and ? is the superkind of * and # and (#), where (#) is the kind of unboxed tuples < 1363309027 110085 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do you call kinds on the next level again? is that where you give up and go with type3 < 1363309031 55895 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g. (# 1, 2 #) < 1363309051 150949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: some people call them 'sorts' but in general it's nice to have uniform Set :: Set0 :: Set1 :: ... < 1363309057 224556 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363309059 278601 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora : tbh alpha blending is probably a bit overdone by now < 1363309067 795559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :esp. in dependently typed contexts, where distinguishing types from values is not really the goal < 1363309070 246331 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :after almost 20 years of openGL stuff < 1363309087 159227 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :same for bilinear < 1363309087 972924 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but but but excuse to use pmaddubsw < 1363309089 603211 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you stratify in order to have a consistent logic, not in order to erase some things after compilation < 1363309092 551375 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes i wonder why mathematicians don't just start out with numberings, but then i remember this is the discipline that gave us x with a dot for derivatives < 1363309115 416584 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hey you can put a lot of dots above an x < 1363309120 164693 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ẍ < 1363309127 538675 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot the combining character for one dot though :( < 1363309128 265690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway unboxed tuples are even less first-class than unboxed values < 1363309142 132424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least in old GHC you can only return them, not take them as args < 1363309143 112775 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i remember somebody who was possibly shachaf complaining about it < 1363309157 168939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the only thing you can do after calling a function which returns one is to immediately pattern-match out the components < 1363309163 549495 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: i still think of types as a compilation thing instead of a logic thing. possibly this is because i am bad at logic < 1363309165 808405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :case f x of (# a, b #) -> ... < 1363309175 895367 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that amused me because it's pretty well the same as CL multiple value returns :P < 1363309179 923771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's... yeah < 1363309200 45662 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GHC will implement it just by putting a and b in separate STG-machine registers < 1363309201 58340 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: :D < 1363309204 984555 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than building a heap object < 1363309211 249339 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1363309217 273324 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vectored return is what it's called? < 1363309224 865745 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i'm horribly curious what "LOCAL_MANGLE" could mean in the paste < 1363309225 918777 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: well, deformation/warping/texture mapping effects aren't too hard < 1363309244 622820 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: even on a straight dumb word-addressing RISC < 1363309304 42135 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but simd is fuuuun < 1363309330 592148 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm guessing it has something to do with pleasing the inline assembler but gosh I have no idea < 1363309342 859040 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha yeah < 1363309356 314392 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm definitely starting to consider adding simd instructions < 1363309381 436115 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh, also the IDE interlude in ##asm made me want to mention slime-macroexpansion-mode but i don't know if it would be feasible or useful for assembly macros < 1363309424 587464 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slime? < 1363309433 78373 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lisp mode for emacs < 1363309454 635300 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I see *someone* is writing yet another image scalar that's not gamma-aware. < 1363309461 578949 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically if you have a macro form you can C-c m on it and a buffer pops up with the expansion, and you can do it again in the expansion, so you can see what something expands to. < 1363309462 756912 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goodie, incorrect results. < 1363309500 603550 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: that's like, the fastest one in the library, I think < 1363309506 188559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's intended to be very good < 1363309532 183652 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Eh, hardly anyone actually does that anyways. < 1363309538 436822 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still sucks. < 1363309539 737620 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gamma aware sounds painful though, I've read the articles about it but egh, sending every byte through a lookup table... < 1363309573 234818 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363309585 289446 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq : bilinear is already cpu killing and you want to add more to the massacre? :D < 1363309657 459651 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use a 50-tap sinc filter too >:3 < 1363309666 360242 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1363309680 781615 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :even on sound that's overkill < 1363309687 552353 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and on sound you can hear the alias < 1363309704 41507 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was kidding XD < 1363309754 88071 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363309786 111070 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The *cheap* way is basically doing each pixel to the power of 2.2 before scaling, and then to 1/2.2 after... < 1363309795 387569 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mostly i was wondering about fail because haskell-in-haskell has mgu :: (Monad m) => Type -> Type -> m Subst and such, seemingly for no other reason than the use of fail. so i thought that seemed more like somewhere you'd use Either < 1363309799 935851 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(note, technically wrong, but damned close) < 1363309808 552109 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: but i seem to not understand the haskell "philosophy" on exceptions anyway < 1363309811 401583 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, geez, not even that's correct? < 1363309818 887129 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok, one more episode then I will blog < 1363309842 56099 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363309849 572400 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 NICK :carado < 1363309852 60153 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: The sRGB to linear mapping is not done via a straight gamma of 2.2, but rather a somewhat weirder function. < 1363309878 418085 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess a lookup table would be able to get it at least? < 1363309881 584289 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :srgb... is that calibrated on CRTs or LCDs? < 1363309901 507785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://soundcloud.com/stevexr1p/i-am-the-doctor-nintendo-remix < 1363309985 720477 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A chiptune mix of the theremin-heavy Who theme sounds surreal < 1363310027 438190 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno if I like it < 1363310029 914537 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The exact function is... x <= 0.04045 -> x/12.92; otherwise -> ((x+0.055)/(1.055)) ^ 2.4 < 1363310054 384744 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow. that's... that's really... I don't even < 1363310057 375638 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where x has been scaled to be between 0 and 1 from whatever your sample size is. < 1363310091 535734 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that you really want your intermediates to be either floats or 16-bit ints. < 1363310114 533413 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah gonna be soooo sloooooooooooooow :D < 1363310151 810141 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but the average of 0 and 255 will be 187, as it should be. < 1363310169 113323 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363310236 479826 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fine on non-realtime stuff like photoshop I guess < 1363310251 865086 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-239-237.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363310257 620800 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1363310270 503102 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but Photoshop doesn't do this. < 1363310288 828394 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or if you do something like inverse gamma all your textures and then in the final HDR shader reapply the gamma < 1363310317 690741 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: actually I was kinda wondering something about that, if like, in photoshop I change the image format to 16-bit or 32-bit, does it go linear? < 1363310322 174499 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it use gamma there too? < 1363310376 525325 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i don't know. < 1363310417 280684 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! http://forums.adobe.com/message/2615874 says that 32-bit float is always gamma 1.0 < 1363310437 602934 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and apparently you can even set up a custom RGB profile with gamma 1.0 o_O < 1363310445 317243 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363310505 430153 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, if you are working in 32-bit float in Photoshop you get things working right. < 1363310595 54228 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just getting brushes to work right is good enough to me :D < 1363310772 146674 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the general problem with just leaving it with the RISC opcodes is that people are going to program in the effects that render well in software < 1363310791 222440 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE the same ones seen in a zillion demoscene demos and late DOS games < 1363310930 45169 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're not bad (they're good at some types of "juice" :D) but not too original either < 1363311303 860246 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ah yeah, that was a somewhat old style < 1363311313 129890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(using a generic monad for 'fail') < 1363311323 774530 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think these days people will look at you funny for writing that kind of code < 1363311336 897253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would use Maybe, Either, or some class more specific than Monad < 1363311456 831075 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah the sRGB function is chosen "to approximate a gamma of about 2.2, but with a linear portion near zero to avoid having an infinite slope at K = 0, which can cause numerical problems." < 1363311511 751014 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :So thoughtful < 1363311567 257756 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: it's "calibrated for CRTs" in the sense that the CRT voltage -> luminance function is close to that gamma of 2.2, so you can output sRGB values directly as CRT voltages and it works ok < 1363311605 13428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but an sRGB value corresponds to a particular color (i.e. CIE XYZ tristimulus value) independent of what display technology is in use < 1363311666 170394 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :your display technology needs to do whatever is necessary to ensure that sRGB values correspond to linear light intensity according to the specified curve < 1363311689 602029 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363311704 508085 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363311704 658770 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1363311704 658942 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1363311709 277411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a ThinkPad laptop that has a color calbiration sensor in the wrist rest < 1363311714 422849 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you just shut the lid and it does its thing < 1363311830 995713 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Client Quit < 1363311847 204324 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1363312095 761329 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake PRIVMSG #esoteric ::> < 1363312548 44409 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363312566 327008 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363312566 477519 :kallisti!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Changing host < 1363312566 477694 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake JOIN :#esoteric < 1363312567 178416 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363313287 140740 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: does lyah go into error handling much? like not catch, just how idiomatic code deals with exceptional situations < 1363313778 193505 :jhaimar!~canaima@190.77.25.204 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363313826 15175 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Arc_Koen < 1363314014 620810 :jhaimar!~canaima@190.77.25.204 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holaaa < 1363314046 585849 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome jhaimar < 1363314052 649560 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jhaimar: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1363314700 104317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: don't know < 1363314711 748951 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think RWH has some stuff on the IO-monad sort of exceptions < 1363314764 450813 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lyah mentioned IOError but said you'd usually use pure mechanisms instead < 1363314814 828151 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hoogle try < 1363314814 978138 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.OldException try :: IO a -> IO (Either Exception a) < 1363314815 131514 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.IO.Error try :: IO a -> IO (Either IOError a) < 1363314815 281611 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Control.Exception.Base try :: Exception e => IO a -> IO (Either e a) < 1363314846 625989 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha. < 1363315112 56540 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363315375 855927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well IOError is pretty primitive < 1363315382 72910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but GHC has a more powerful system of IO exceptions < 1363315384 697572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :extensible < 1363315410 825094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i may be some kind of heretic, but I think the IO monad is a pretty good 'getting shit done' monad < 1363315416 358739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has exceptions, state, threads, oh and IO < 1363315439 435901 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some huge program it might be nice to build an ornate transformer stack of separate exception handling, state, etc. < 1363315451 92434 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a big pain for small program < 1363315536 8803 :jhaimar!~canaima@190.77.25.204 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363315919 68434 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363316182 47349 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, separate state is still nice for not having to pass IORefs around, unless you make a global IORef < 1363316242 754758 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's true < 1363316379 769461 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically what i'm asking is, for something like the haskell-in-haskell code that doesn't involve anything IOy but exceptions, would using that exception hierarchy be the idiomatic solution, or what? < 1363316420 163674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, probably Maybe or (Either t) or some other error monad < 1363316432 764292 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compilers typically have to do errors, fresh variable names, and maybe other state < 1363316445 469720 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does a jig < 1363316452 352537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1363316468 970726 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'll do is, create a module which defines a monad with the necessary operations < 1363316479 552829 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm used to exceptions being more complicated than just bare strings, too :/ < 1363316479 702791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :exported abstractly, so other code can't see the details of how that monad is implemented < 1363316491 15791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be a transformer stack, could be something else, doesn't matter < 1363316499 748406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :GeneralizedNewtypeDeriving for MonadState etc. is useful < 1363316512 138571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: sure, you can use whatever type you like with Either / ErrorT < 1363316512 875091 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no errors across module boundaries? < 1363316523 416559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no < 1363316546 251419 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm saying is, the fact that the monad is StateT s (ErrorT e (Whatever ...)) is not exposed < 1363316576 581439 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :m < 1363316601 493573 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you would only expose whatever primitives you need < 1363316609 536821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :throw, catch, gensym, whatever < 1363316623 254824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the rest of the compiler just uses those and doesn't worry about the implementation of this monad as an algebraic data structure < 1363316655 569465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOW i'm saying that monad transformers are a useful shortcut for building monads, but that doesn't mean they should be all over the code which /uses/ those monasd < 1363316660 636452 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monasdf < 1363316673 921344 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you'd make your own error protocol? Also I don't even know what IOW or monad transformers are so you're probably wasting this on me, sorry. < 1363316688 41258 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IOW being "in other words" < 1363316694 630661 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1363316714 315405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most important idea here is abstract data types < 1363316721 232129 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really anything to do with monads < 1363316745 75948 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :implementing monads as abstract data types is often a good idea for the same reason as implementing anything else as an abstract data type < 1363316862 465994 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363316925 332807 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Bike may be wondering if you'd have to use different functions to raise errors from a 'standard' function? < 1363316938 16542 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The answer to that is no if you write the monad transformer properly < 1363316984 935440 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1363317087 539071 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to lack the ability to phrase what I mean to ask. < 1363317331 723032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right the error handling situation with 'standard' functions is a clusterfuck < 1363317355 242797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're using some error handling monad, there's no way to make (say) 'head' produce an error in that monad < 1363317381 614554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1363317388 894264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is hard to integrate two libraries which both do error handling < 1363317402 237670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that were developed independently < 1363317402 495978 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that about answers it, thanks < 1363317435 902228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean *maybe* they allow a generic MonadError (http://lambda.haskell.org/hp-tmp/docs/2011.2.0.0/packages/mtl-2.0.1.0/doc/html/Control-Monad-Error-Class.html#t:MonadError) < 1363317438 872890 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but usually not < 1363317451 640133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you end up writing a lot of little wrappers to convert between different sorts of error handling < 1363317456 467524 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363317458 788724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not that bad but it's kind of annoying < 1363317471 236731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's one reason why I say that everything that does IO should just use IO's exceptions < 1363317477 620832 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than say ErrorT e IO < 1363317609 874526 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's T there mean, by the way < 1363317614 102521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :transformer < 1363317620 318026 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::k ErrorT < 1363317621 664458 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* -> (* -> *) -> * -> * < 1363317639 72258 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1363317647 551589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1363317647 882084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for an error type e :: *, and a monad m :: * -> *, (ErrorT e m) is a monad < 1363317649 220726 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: slist: not found < 1363317653 3482 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1363317653 153659 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1363317654 758265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :NOT UPDATE < 1363317657 427096 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BUT NEW ALBUM < 1363317687 706924 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is MonadError not a transformer? < 1363317693 612803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, it's not even a type < 1363317697 338456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a type class < 1363317702 297775 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh duh < 1363317708 788384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :classifying all the monads in which errors can be thrown < 1363317775 849412 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's useful because it lets you throw an error without knowing at what layer of the stack your ErrorT or similar thingy is < 1363317792 456198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should allow library code to generalize for more users < 1363317806 234247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i dunno, in practice most libraries don't use it < 1363317816 780057 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes the type signatures longer and uglier and it requires type system extensions < 1363317821 102383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear Hulu: If I press go back 10 seconds 3 times, it does not mean jump forwards 5 minutes. < 1363317826 728043 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what extensions? < 1363317838 65307 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's one that uses type families and one that uses multiparameter type classes with functional dependencies < 1363317848 974337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, that's another problem: there are (at least) two MonadErrors < 1363317849 949333 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh < 1363317851 599063 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually a lot more < 1363317880 734826 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem is that every monad-which-supports-errors is associated with a particular error type < 1363317886 700352 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the type class needs a way to talk about both of these at once < 1363317894 716748 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in standard Haskell, type classes can have only one parameter < 1363317898 680820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :among numerous other restrictions < 1363317924 272621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :type classes were the big new experimental feature in Haskell and they were somewhat conservative about them < 1363317952 790518 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1363317999 516386 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell is a language where the community observes that there are 50 incompatible error handling monads, and the response is 50 incompatible packages for generically handling all error handling monads < 1363318000 713775 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363318038 994738 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the generalization of having thirty RFCs. genius. < 1363318057 660508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the great thing about standards is that there are so many to choose from < 1363318342 391691 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah that is the worst < 1363318345 95248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why it does that < 1363318430 297750 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if we just pared everything down so we only had one programmer left, they could agree on what to use. ...but then, they could be sgeo < 1363318713 719699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a world with only one programmer, Hacker News will still be 40% articles about How To Hire Programmers < 1363318731 550213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it's that much harder! < 1363318796 56196 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand how programming exists as a job market, i mean everybody seems to care about how to hire and how to be hired that i see that more than actual programming sometimes? < 1363318847 588106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nobody actually knows how to hire programmers < 1363318853 788279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and none of the article have any empirical basis or references < 1363318860 846126 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right i mean < 1363318862 417548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're all linkbait basically < 1363318877 167396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want to attract attention to your company, post a semi provocative article about how you hire people < 1363318877 394255 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the programming industry built on writing programs to autogenerate shitty articles on hiring programmers < 1363318881 97214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ksplice is guilty of this too < 1363318905 899493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/how_to_quadruple_your_productivity < 1363318924 702508 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, haskellhaskell has n+k patterns < 1363318940 106878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this got a ton of hate mail from people who didn't understand that intern = paid intern < 1363318952 351667 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a bunch of horrible comments about all the women in those photos, of course < 1363318954 460558 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it says "paid" in the second paragraph < 1363318962 315108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i think that was an edit < 1363318964 914686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :see last graf < 1363318965 64802 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363319015 543642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :n+k patterns are... silly < 1363319027 745562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure about any stronger negative judgement < 1363319030 621309 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has n+k but not irrefutable patterns < 1363319035 104991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do you know about view patterns < 1363319049 30206 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :naw < 1363319050 270486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they kind of generalize n+k patterns < 1363319063 703322 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often are view patterns used? < 1363319082 70447 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(id -> a) a + 1) 5 < 1363319084 56255 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:15: parse error on input `+' < 1363319085 882211 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1363319089 41906 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (\(id -> a) -> a + 1) 5 < 1363319090 714470 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6 < 1363319094 719384 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1363319124 790804 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: you can write (f -> p) and it matches x iff pattern p matches (f x) < 1363319143 108333 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds undecideable < 1363319148 927196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1363319158 588939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you just apply f to the argument and match that < 1363319161 296302 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if f x doesn't terminate, I guess it is < 1363319173 502571 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mean yeah < 1363319195 311246 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let loop x = loop x in (\(loop -> x) -> x + 1) 5 < 1363319198 813226 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess the ability to do arbitrary computation on the left side of the = is a bit remarkable < 1363319198 977492 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1363319247 591651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but guards also do that < 1363319268 400528 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :functions for all < 1363319289 975118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It basically lessens the temptation to just expose constructors for the sake of ease of pattern matching < 1363319307 276010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This way, you can have an abstract data type, and have a function that turns it into something you can do pattern matching on < 1363319309 106372 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363319327 696237 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's exactly what the page i googled up said. < 1363319437 286642 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of their example views uses view patterns on itself in its definition, noice < 1363319562 899187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1363319587 764691 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is this in lambdabot because it's standard now or because caleskell is weird < 1363319611 837161 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also what the hell is an "outjection" < 1363319650 316112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i'd say neither < 1363319659 537464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in lambdabot because it's a GHC extension that they decided to turn on < 1363319674 505788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"caleskell" refers less to language extensions and more to strange default imports that hide the standard ones < 1363319678 661638 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kay < 1363319683 311878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not like lambdabot has any crazy language extensions above and beyond the ones GHC has < 1363319686 330008 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :...to my knowledge < 1363319687 477030 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wants MultiWayIf < 1363319702 885525 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that guards < 1363319723 461851 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's less noisy than a case with guards < 1363319780 768636 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the example they have with an actual n+k pattern being made out of a view pattern is kind of... dull < 1363319819 257249 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"fib (np 2 -> Just n) = fib (n + 1) + fib n" instead of "fib n = fib (n - 1) + fib (n - 2)" I guess? < 1363319991 429847 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i came up with this: http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.com/2010/09/view-patterns-for-validation.html < 1363319996 269963 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the first time i'm sure < 1363320077 616123 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh hey, you mention failure < 1363320086 188115 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"monthV (rangeV "monthV" 1 12 -> m) = months !! (m-1)" < 1363320092 474190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That duplicate monthV bothers me < 1363320138 27794 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«This "range checking pattern" would be rigid syntax in most other languages. Here it's just something that emerges from the programming paradigm.» Do you like your comments < 1363320424 348788 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1363320579 838764 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reminds me that i haven't read kuhn. is that why "paradigm" came to be used in programming that way < 1363320591 790593 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1363320614 237483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i generally think the idea of 'paradigm' in programming is suspect < 1363320625 768215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this article predates my conversion to this view < 1363320639 755797 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you didn't write the paradigm thing < 1363320645 574599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363320647 685794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then < 1363320657 718612 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i said, a comment < 1363320695 981586 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess paradigms are fine, but i'm annoyed when people are like "right, we're using paradigm X therefore everything must be done according to paradigm X and the language must be chosen primarily for its uncompromising support of paradigm X" < 1363320714 69466 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, wikipedia's doing that thing where it has a history of the thing instead of a history of the concept of the thing. how am i supposed to sate my etymological fetish this way < 1363320725 261437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :to me the different 'paradigms' are techniques that are even more powerful when used together, when appropriate < 1363320740 274962 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you considered using a "multi-paradigm language" < 1363320743 308230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363320744 702884 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :alt. multi-rhetoric language < 1363320749 801966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;P < 1363320751 614991 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363320762 179254 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" There is still some controversy by notable programmers such as Alexander Stepanov, Richard Stallman[3] and others, concerning the efficacy of the OOP paradigm versus the procedural paradigm." why the hell did i even try looking this up? < 1363320788 917322 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363320878 90617 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, kuhn definitely seems to be the one who put "paradigm" into its modern usage, and 1962 is early enough to get picked up by the OOP craze for sure < 1363320901 243775 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1363320907 318469 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is important < 1363320927 663242 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but uh anyway that paper is neat, thanks for showing me it whenever you did that < 1363320946 318084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which paper? THiH? < 1363320956 49262 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah < 1363320969 324579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :David Baltimore also gets some credit for popularizing / ruining the word 'paradigm' < 1363320990 68367 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a biologist? < 1363320996 883335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363320999 769356 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and former president of Caltech < 1363321009 684035 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THiH? < 1363321015 202657 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Typing Haskell in Haskell < 1363321022 730552 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1363321055 270486 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.cripplingdepression.com/index/16 pictured here in panel 2 < 1363321093 666480 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the wild fast paced life of a caltech administrator < 1363321137 427069 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363321154 321639 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot why he was deemed to be Moneybags Baltimore but the name stuck for at least the 4 years I was there < 1363322433 407489 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363326732 115508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: vectored-return is something else. < 1363326734 427910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1363326756 123593 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah it's hyphenated < 1363326760 12429 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION isn't going to read the whole thing. < 1363326769 811454 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the whole what < 1363326930 644760 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrollbacklog < 1363327056 599961 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo it sucks < 1363327101 793848 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help need to force food self < 1363327388 382962 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.125.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363327434 394883 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1363329332 208171 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363329363 381621 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363331681 583248 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Lol oop and prodecudral < 1363331719 990713 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer unstructured, freeform programming < 1363331737 420011 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What language does that? Perl? < 1363331770 740940 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can structure just about anything < 1363331781 584507 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl is better described as antistructured programming. < 1363331816 954203 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :perl has first class functions man, functional as shit < 1363331876 854104 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perl has TC regexes; I fail to see your point. < 1363331916 628155 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :See? It's basically a Post system. Very computer sciencey. < 1363331938 473263 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway. Haskell report calls \ a "backslant". I have never heard this before, what is happening. < 1363332150 883397 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1363332167 167471 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363332218 778623 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Cya < 1363334031 76746 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363334387 3128 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363335020 42516 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363335051 688309 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1363335344 749751 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1363335356 286356 :impomatic!~digital_w@123.177.125.91.dyn.plus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363336413 923516 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363338801 839150 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363341443 199975 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363343635 35526 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363344286 552385 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363344347 209834 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363344378 383516 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363346678 621624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363346739 564316 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shorter "hello world" in malbolge in 78 bytes by kenrube: (=<`#9]~6ZY32Vw/.R,+Op(L&%I#"Fg}Cdz@xw=*z]Kw%ot4Uqpihm,Owi)tfI$c"n`}}]/zZx;W:( < 1363346771 317879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge (=<`#9]~6ZY32Vw/.R,+Op(L&%I#"Fg}Cdz@xw=*z]Kw%ot4Uqpihm,Owi)tfI$c"n`}}]/zZx;W:( < 1363346773 151699 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, world. < 1363347037 956274 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363347108 316477 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm, i guess shinh did it in 75 bytes (! insted on .) at http://golf.shinh.org/p.rb?hello+world < 1363347453 263557 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like kenrube's homepage btw (not really sure its his, but it was mentioned somewhere linked to him) - http://www.yyyyyyy.info/ < 1363347552 331037 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :very good < 1363347613 878612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@remember kmc Haskell is a language where the community observes that there are 50 incompatible error handling monads, and the response is 50 incompatible packages for generically handling all error handling monads < 1363347614 43613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never forget. < 1363348121 165387 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.202.167.stat.volia.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1363348135 864561 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote error handling < 1363348136 190207 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes for this person. There are some things that I just don't know. < 1363348141 99143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote error.handling < 1363348141 248665 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: Haskell is a language where the community observes that there are 50 incompatible error handling monads, and the response is 50 incompatible packages for generically handling all error < 1363348141 248891 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :handling monads < 1363348143 213261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote error.handling < 1363348143 384770 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: Haskell is a language where the community observes that there are 50 incompatible error handling monads, and the response is 50 incompatible packages for generically handling all error < 1363348143 534285 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :handling monads < 1363348374 399203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363348906 231565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363349086 195197 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363349229 178853 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363349272 309261 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363349345 567226 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Client Quit < 1363349617 419788 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363350175 228379 :dessos!~dessos@c-174-60-176-249.hsd1.pa.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363351015 1350 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Suggn. remove Brainfuck and its derivatives from the 'low-level' category. < 1363351086 222522 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should say that on the wiki instead... < 1363353808 76171 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363354001 819497 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Kolmogorov < 1363354016 366705 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it just me or is this not based on a kolmogorov machine at all < 1363354148 343552 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quit < 1363354152 824275 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1363354152 974532 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quit: not found < 1363354223 520203 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363354225 572229 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363354327 634531 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? HackEgo < 1363354329 648083 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :HackEgo, also known as HackBot, is a bot that runs arbitrary commands on Unix. See `help for info on using it. You should totally try to hax0r it! Make sure you imagine it's running as root with no sandboxing. < 1363354394 327998 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haircut oh no < 1363355273 543096 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1363355399 306730 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363356553 191250 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: bf is low-level... < 1363356681 958573 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363356725 294205 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: glad to see you revived since yesterday. < 1363356778 37527 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mtve: wow, you spoke < 1363356792 458893 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was starting to believe fizzie killed you and hid the body and was just running an IRC client to hide the truth < 1363356915 794921 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, the haircut helped < 1363357442 503424 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help suddenly I have an idea of why recruiters are the devil < 1363357455 197484 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel very pressured into making a hasty decision if I get an offer < 1363357483 287188 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recruiters aren't there to land you the best job. their goal is to land you *a* job. < 1363357523 399298 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, how's it low-level < 1363357567 173532 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what constitutes high-level < 1363357577 122483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i already replied on the wiki < 1363357965 851538 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1363357973 680970 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would e.g. lazy k count as low-level then < 1363358071 921145 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363358369 693485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: replied again < 1363358372 709651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and uhhhh not sure < 1363358379 453244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I said it's hard enough for imperative languages < 1363358389 222384 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess SKI is definitely low-level < 1363358402 661187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure about lambda calculus, it has a means of /abstraction/ (indeed it's all it has), which distinguishes it from e.g. BF < 1363358436 998997 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I guess you can abstract in SKI too, but it's basically as painful as not abstracting, so... < 1363358772 602020 :tromp__!~tromp@rtc35-242.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can abstract at compile time in combinatory logic < 1363358855 361486 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363359275 66547 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363359280 73309 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363359584 54415 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363359832 460706 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363360692 466869 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363360997 858889 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363361013 476929 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363361046 59572 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363361078 135653 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363361756 221745 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363361903 569197 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363361921 77738 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363361945 505717 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363362212 589414 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1363362967 280871 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :job offer < 1363363123 249071 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1363363223 167386 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1363363245 187982 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION cheers ♪ < 1363363368 845532 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just don't want to be stuck in a Java career for the rest of my life. < 1363363543 658639 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363365525 729481 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363365560 128139 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363365613 882514 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363366062 44196 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363366726 484321 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 258 seconds < 1363368196 456803 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: don't worry. even if you begin by being a not-java developer, it will find a way to infect you, to creep on you, to assimilate you. < 1363368301 100931 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: this is just an internship right? < 1363368311 437145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, no < 1363368354 263070 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1363368357 186884 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*oh < 1363368362 431231 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well then, uh, don't be? < 1363368520 72926 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363368670 356427 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imnsho, java development only sucks when you're stuck with a large, fat, enterprisey project. but then, I believe everything that uses the ‘enterprise’ buzzword sucks. < 1363368696 585168 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1363368714 709816 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Java is only vaguely useful in large, fat, enterprisey projects. < 1363368780 157045 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363368809 878472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, I think I can survive dealing with Java for some time, but I don't want 'some time' to be 'the rest of my life' < 1363368840 608394 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry, they'll be a new stereotypical enterprise language soon enough. < 1363368846 586254 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And if the only actual 'job' I can list on my resume in the future is Java... < 1363368857 520993 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if I've done all these personal projects etc. < 1363368864 751705 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the only problem then (for Sgeo) will be that he only knows Java < 1363368908 279229 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fsvo "only" < 1363368934 676171 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :learn everything you can get your hand on. casually mention that you have an interest into uncommon technologies (fsvo uncommon). shotgun new projects, talk and exchange with your colleagues. get known for your initiative. < 1363368942 108277 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1363368961 527270 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: The language is less important than the skills < 1363368971 610129 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Emphasize the transferable skills on your resume < 1363369012 350707 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The best tech firms know that a skilled programmer can learn $LANG on the job, and that having programmed in $LANG does not mean you are a skilled programmer < 1363369039 642192 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd much rather hire (for a Python job) an intelligent guy who's never used Python than a moron who has < 1363369399 713466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the downside there is that you're in a python job. < 1363369628 66769 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the right level of elitism for the job < 1363369762 887280 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1363369767 12770 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: tl;dr don't worry, just don't mention Java too much on your resume < 1363369776 139454 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :the point is not that you are developing in Java. The point is that you are developing < 1363370256 625263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a better worry than the idea that you might be shoehorned into a java career long-term < 1363370261 563205 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the fact that you will be writing in java every day. < 1363370336 613876 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363370340 981802 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no human has enough finger length to support a whole-life java career. you'd have to have extra knuckles grafter to your fingertips to cope with the amount of typing. < 1363370346 414152 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/grafter/grafted/ < 1363370354 195774 :Mathnerd314_!~quassel@palevsky-223-221.rh.uchicago.edu NICK :Mathnerd314 < 1363370428 260121 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363370448 483059 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363370494 207008 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, there may be some Javascript. Hopefully more as time goes on. < 1363370521 381432 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd rather JAva than JS < 1363370549 316678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i disagree < 1363370556 512417 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kmcagree. < 1363370558 878708 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm writing a lot of JavaScript lately and finding it fairly pleasant < 1363370570 209806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah uh the fact that you'll get anonymous functions doesn't really make this sound like a dream job to me yet < 1363370582 970929 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has its warts but it's a pretty simple + flexible language < 1363370591 444919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also are you sure they don't just not understand the difference between Java and JavaScript :P < 1363370592 276213 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the community is not afraid of a little FP the way the Python community is < 1363370603 415041 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because in JavaScript lambda is practically the only abstraction you get < 1363370606 214037 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, I'm sure. < 1363370608 71740 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they use it to build objects, modules, etc < 1363370613 346741 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way that warms the heart of any Lisp weenie < 1363370622 838281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe Scheme weenie i should say < 1363370633 607966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's a funny real-world demonstration of the Lambda the Ultimate principle < 1363370665 561151 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a principle? < 1363370673 94159 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: are you sure they're sure < 1363370685 853958 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'd say that's a fairly inaccurate view of javascript's oop < 1363370686 407633 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly i just can't get worked up about the difference between JavaScript / Python / Ruby / whatever < 1363370693 17325 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's all pretty minor once you know Haskell and C++ < 1363370701 254256 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah i'm glossing over < 1363370718 755088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :javascript's oop can't decide whether it wants to be prototype-based or not < 1363370726 205712 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363370733 86292 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have transcended the arguments and attained lingual nirvana, free of worldly desires < 1363370823 299401 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They know the difference between Javascript and Java. < 1363370834 437794 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Incidentally, is Angular.JS fairly well liked? < 1363370871 983394 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"AngularJS is what HTML would have been, had it been designed for building web-apps" < 1363370882 889163 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think a lot of JS-bashing comes down to looking down one's nose at Web programmers as "not real programmers" and misunderstanding what the Web is < 1363370906 719061 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is, by far the easiest way to write an application and distribute it to a lot of people very quickly < 1363370930 276139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i too am guilty of this viewpoint in the past < 1363370938 112975 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363370996 304717 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bash JS because it's a shitty language < 1363371003 874722 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this contract would make actually be with the recruitment firm < 1363371004 679266 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :not because web programming isn't real programming < 1363371017 21592 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :????? :) < 1363371019 245300 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bash JS becaus I think it is badly designed language < 1363371022 269080 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't program JS without strapping a ridiculous framework on top of it < 1363371026 976770 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :like jquery < 1363371034 992064 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we talking JS? heheheheheheheehehehhehehe lets not < 1363371063 168097 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unrelated notice: please stop referring to "May you live in interesting times" as an "ancient Chinese curse". thanks in advance < 1363371063 318409 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION prods monqy's hehehe-box to unstick it. < 1363371072 936961 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thoily < 1363371074 915261 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just talk about men making tigers instead < 1363371079 436471 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: now I'm thinking of the inspirational japanese tumblr < 1363371110 212532 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow programming in JS requires the use of libraries? what a shit language! < 1363371130 329069 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_you_live_in_interesting_times it's like, all the examples are English language and it was first attested by an English ambassador what a weird coincidence huh < 1363371141 50739 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, PHP is totally the best language ever! < 1363371151 685025 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snerk < 1363371153 249988 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient chinese secret, eh? < 1363371156 69221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ancient english curse < 1363371158 616383 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No need to import stuff much of the time < 1363371165 158564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Florida Man Arrested For Punching Firefighter In The Groin < 1363371183 201971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: yeah it's super convenient < 1363371194 560302 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite php libary thing is probably the thermidorian date functions < 1363371203 802126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: we were talking Sgeo's upcoming java job that's going to be lots of fun for him before < 1363371224 896472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I must admit it's convenient in languages like Python to not need _third-party_ libraries. < 1363371229 879222 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much of the time < 1363371230 879758 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like just in case you want to use a dead 19th century date format < 1363371240 869295 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: does sgeo fully comprehend what he's getting himself into < 1363371254 941032 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anybody fully comprehend anything, when you get down to it < 1363371256 736515 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and it's, like, 20th century < 1363371275 770385 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ancient 20th century curse < 1363371293 884998 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :still, I think inspirationaljapanese wins the mocking contest < 1363371299 561402 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363371312 13416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would love to be the guy who gets to make up some shit as an ancient chinese curse < 1363371321 131949 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what the other ones were before they decided on "may you live in interesting timse" < 1363371322 28574 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's said that the last guy who understood anything there was to be known was Poincaré. < 1363371333 162058 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what regions of curseology were traversed < 1363371334 494213 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1363371338 605336 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Recruiters are the devil. < 1363371344 235314 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and poincaré was kind of a dick. it all works out < 1363371356 299171 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, I'm not entitled to employee benefits that the company provides. < 1363371356 576486 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: my new tattoo means "world peace" *throws a cabbage at you* < 1363371370 616875 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: didn't kmc tell you to avoid them < 1363371377 346704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow its almost as if kmc told sgeo to avoid recruiters 20 times < 1363371380 139969 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good timing < 1363371389 8 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. who here first stumbled upon that inspirational japanese thing. I have this sudden urge to whack them. < 1363371397 269544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Python's stdlib is kinda shit for a lot of things though < 1363371401 623883 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, urllib2 doesn't check SSL certs < 1363371403 942942 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and has a terrible API < 1363371409 790776 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: nope sorry it's awesome < 1363371419 9695 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: wait, this is like, a full time job, not an internship, and they're not giving you benefits? @_@ < 1363371419 707739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use requests or curl if you don't hate yourself < 1363371440 299971 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's disturbing my qi! it unaligns my chakras! it's full of glaring and blaring and ugly colours! < 1363371440 778121 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no smacking that tumblr is amazing < 1363371440 927790 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, it's a contract job with possibility of full-time job with the company itself at the end < 1363371451 17888 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... that... seems... fishy < 1363371468 656364 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://inspirationaljapanese.tumblr.com/post/40826225940/ this is one of my favorites < 1363371472 93224 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: rip your qi chakras < 1363371480 786482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :chakren? < 1363371484 570866 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like kraken < 1363371486 557406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(is kraken plural) < 1363371487 536400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kraka < 1363371490 609341 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actual translation: 0,0SHINJI, PILOT THE EVA < 1363371526 372178 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#japan #japanese #quote #inspirational #motivational #kawaii #sugoi #uguu < 1363371565 505355 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: bwah ah ah ah ah! ok. that site is awesome. < 1363371575 417712 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'Tis. < 1363371584 951638 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love it because like, it doesn't do that dumb thing where you put offensive phrases in japanese and mistranslate them < 1363371588 212979 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather just, /funny/ things < 1363371606 89754 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, this is interesting < 1363371627 413194 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's really great if you understand Japanese. < 1363371630 42214 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"apparently my recruiter needs to know if i'm a virgin, for some party" < 1363371658 572635 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell him that you're a gemini, and that it's against your religion. < 1363371660 295554 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Shall we do the Harlem Shake today?" and "live every moment and love every day" Haaaah < 1363371676 607223 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that I don't know if it's a good idea to talk about this stuff in publically logged channel < 1363371691 875692 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recruiters are known to trawl the #esoteric logs for candidates < 1363371703 937293 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: maybe you should figure out? < 1363371741 719722 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: say, if you ever come to Montréal one day, could you wear an orange vest with ‘Hi there, I'm Sgeo’ written in large friendly letters on it? < 1363371753 780806 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(so that I can covertly recruit you) < 1363371762 77230 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didnt you decide it was a bad idea to talk aout this stuff in a publicly logged channel like two years ago < 1363371808 716573 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that decision was publically logged, so he had to discard it < 1363371861 940010 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to this, since I haven't yet been employed by the recruitment firm, I can freely talk about what I know about the company < 1363371864 638874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thin < 1363371866 480187 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1363371874 714202 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, they don't /let you talk about the company/? @_@ < 1363371909 861465 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't let me talk about confidential information I learn after my employment with the recruitment firm < 1363371934 694101 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :... what exactly classifies as confidential information...? and um. why is the recruitment firm doing the employing o_O < 1363371962 131297 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know yet what classifies as confidential information < 1363371964 608314 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeos recruiter is recruiting him for the recruiting form < 1363371981 604646 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what constitutes classified information is classified < 1363372011 224406 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems really weird < 1363372025 154604 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, the recruitment firm wants to make money off of my employment < 1363372055 133472 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :umm... but I thought they get paid by the company when the company hires you? < 1363372063 986726 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assign kmc to this job < 1363372113 380815 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The contract with the firm says the company isn't allowed to hire me without recruitment firm's written consent, but that after 6 months, they can be required to give said consent < 1363372138 960264 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds really dumb for a lot of reasons. Is it really dumb? < 1363372151 546597 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O I guess I don't really know enough to be sure but that sounds incredibly fishy < 1363372163 905129 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is sgeo getting scammed < 1363372172 181896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the company doesn't exist < 1363372191 866614 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The company is the ISP that I use. < 1363372203 85400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm online and not hallucinating right now. < 1363372217 168797 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, that's what they want you to think < 1363372223 312737 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we are Friday. < 1363372242 744544 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is the new number two < 1363372255 944668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, so Optimum Online have lots of secrets they don't want us knowing about. < 1363372272 550872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't hide from us, CSC Holdings, LLC. < 1363372290 152940 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this is just standard boilerplate stuff < 1363372298 741266 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least, standard for this recruitment firm < 1363372308 928990 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would there NOT be a provision covering confidential information? < 1363372326 620224 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't trust this boiler. i think this boiler is going to explode and kill somebody who is possibly you, and then a three hundred year old witch will arise from the ashes, cursing her colonialist murderers. < 1363372327 270912 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I think that provision is usually in your employment contract < 1363372333 77114 :AnotherTest1!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363372334 818323 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing that you sign when you actually get a real job < 1363372341 353299 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, this _is_ my employment contract < 1363372352 715399 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be employed with the recruitment firm. < 1363372353 102909 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://img.optimum.net/images/feedmill/custImage/121003/1349293765966-537x261.JPG they definitely seem suspicious < 1363372374 495819 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you want to work for a recruitment firm? but I thought it was an ISP... I'm confused... < 1363372376 642610 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you be employed by the recruiting firm? < 1363372379 777890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this sounds shady as all heck lmao < 1363372385 236270 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would a dog have an mp3 player? he doesn't even have any pockets, where would he put it? it just doesn't add up. < 1363372386 1056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how has this not been ringing alarm bells for you < 1363372395 916048 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363372398 289355 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thats probably a telephone. makes perfect sense < 1363372406 775960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The people at the company seemed to recognize the firm < 1363372418 726446 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of things like this before, don't they usually do this to hire innocent victims as contractors so they can pay them half as much, and then toss them after 6 months? < 1363372447 992973 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: who uses headphones with a telephone?? < 1363372455 198618 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also who calls a cell a "telephone" < 1363372458 868041 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you an Optimum agent < 1363372466 729839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :u figured me out < 1363372469 300463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually call them mobiles < 1363372478 177466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is a much better name than cellphone or phone or whtaever < 1363372484 803291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since they're not really primarily phones any more < 1363372485 255198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're talking about witch-talk-boxes? < 1363372533 191004 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :miniaturized ENIACs < 1363372610 534891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The colloquial Finnish term for them derives from the word for "hand", presumably because that's what you use to hold them. < 1363372677 983685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least the colloquial Finnish term that I know, I'm sure them youngsters have completely different words nowadays. (I sound like an old fart.) < 1363372715 639809 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean "kännykkä"? < 1363372724 484571 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Yes. < 1363372738 153961 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, or "känny". < 1363372739 761516 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that derived from "käsi"? < 1363372754 826490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: That's what http://fi.wiktionary.org/wiki/k%C3%A4nnykk%C3%A4 claims, and it's also what I thought. < 1363372777 964696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, from käsi or kämmen, but it's all handy anyway. < 1363372795 195202 :nortti!~juhani@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh. trademarked by nokia < 1363372802 772691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1363372851 232152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess Germans have "Handy"? So it's not so unique. < 1363372862 552606 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hands free 'phones need headphones... < 1363372899 41848 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'phones for your 'phones. < 1363372910 251748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phonemes in your phones. < 1363372944 61285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :always tying it to speech recognition, fizzie < 1363372986 722309 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should write down somewhere the things that are concerning me < 1363372990 514137 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's just "speech" in general. < 1363373002 571183 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that makes me wonder if it's harder to talk on the phone if you use a language with way different phonemes from whatever phone compression is optimized for < 1363373032 751566 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Code-excited_linear_prediction I think this is the general category of what they use? < 1363373043 656029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I'm not sure how "way different" (natural) languages go, really. The equipment is, after all, pretty much the same. < 1363373062 799688 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1363373066 784087 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The original algorithm as simulated in 1983 by Schroeder and Atal required 150 seconds to encode 1 second of speech when run on a Cray-1 supercomputer." XD < 1363373095 636900 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well there's ejective constants off the top of my head. i think the human phonemic inventory is at least twice as big as english's maybe? < 1363373158 813312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How long does it take for the PC speaker to move fully? I read 60ms somewhere, and 1/60000000s elsewhere, but neither seems correct to me? < 1363373225 452535 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's see, english uses about 35 i guess, but this language !Xū uses 141 < 1363373226 903890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Sure, but it's not like it'd be all *that* closely optimized for a particular phoneme set. < 1363373246 375048 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that's what i'm wondering. < 1363373283 914593 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: raw phoneme counts tend to be higher than what is logically understood between speakers of a language. you need to group allophones together. < 1363373309 807786 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you trying to rediscover 6-bit audio through PC speaker? < 1363373315 117117 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :IPA has "107 letters, 52 diacritics, and four prosodic marks", and I understand it covers things pretty well; and anyway the differences are going to be quite small the more exact you get. < 1363373337 543463 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see absolutely nothing in the employment contract about the raises that I have been promised. < 1363373339 507118 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am alarmed. < 1363373347 490908 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, some sounds tend to be really close by, and the human brain infers what they should be from context. that's how ventriloquists speak, by approximating sounds and letting the ears do the rest. < 1363373358 834440 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how ver. strange < 1363373407 492080 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: No, I mean why would you be employed by the recruiting company as opposed to the company you'll be working for < 1363373410 936778 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's weird < 1363373421 174865 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I did some googling and it sounds like it works like this < 1363373425 783696 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :recruiting companies are hired to search for contractors < 1363373434 74607 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the contractors sign up for the job and sign contracts with the recruiting company < 1363373447 513673 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the recruiting company charges the main company, takes a gigantic cut of the pay, and gives some to the contractor < 1363373453 573264 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :recruiting companies sacrifice virgin BSs to the underworld, and bind demons to contracts with their client corporations < 1363373467 580477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: PC speaker is only 1-bit audio; I am trying to figure out how to accurately make an emulation of it. < 1363373471 93771 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a bs? < 1363373476 893442 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bachelor of science < 1363373477 43100 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bachelor's < 1363373490 292899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :banks, sganks. < 1363373526 172006 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Clearly you haven't seen what people have done with it < 1363373528 296372 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The LP model (which CELP still is based on) is arguably designed more based on the speech hardware than the speech wetware, anyway. (Though I suppose the "hardware" in this case is pretty wet too.) < 1363373543 342735 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like ocal cords? < 1363373545 75284 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :vocal < 1363373546 803360 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: "What people have done with it" is, I think, the reason for the "accurate emulation". < 1363373548 199220 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Either way, you could look at the way dosbox emulates it < 1363373584 721771 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The hardware is only 1-bit, but you can push out 6-bit sound with cleverness < 1363373588 531978 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which was my point < 1363373613 684538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does DOSBox do consider all of that stuff? Also, would some filters be needed? < 1363373623 870326 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Stream_Digital oh this was that 1-bit audio compssion method < 1363373650 357834 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes, and my point is that that is the reason why "accurate emulation" is necessary. < 1363373651 271541 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's 1,193.18 kHz 1-bit. If you're fucking clever you could actually dither that up such that the quantization noise is 20+ kHz. < 1363373667 948384 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then you've got utterly reasonable audio. < 1363373688 623345 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I imagine what people actually *did* was somewhat simpler, just because of computational resources, though. < 1363373689 559126 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Dosbox does emulate it pretty accurately < 1363373710 455039 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Adlib pretty well too < 1363373739 939998 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I actually haven't seen any more-accurate Adlib emulation than in Dosbox < 1363373742 473061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find on the real PC speaker, some high tones play a bit differently than others? < 1363373759 11213 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Is that OPL3? < 1363373811 713304 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, I at least *think* what you're looking at is resampling 1-bit 1.19318 MHz audio to 16-bit 44.1 kHz. < 1363373823 19232 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Adlib is OPL2 < 1363373838 962015 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dosbox does emulate OPL3 too though < 1363373844 351233 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, it is OPL2. Well, DOSBox also emulates OPL3; but does that work as good? < 1363373844 591072 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(given how the PC speaker works I'm pretty sure it's PCM like that) < 1363373859 302949 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes < 1363373866 584078 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363373899 22277 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Crazy high noise floor of course, but what can you do? < 1363373923 909973 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I once found a OPL2 and OPL3 instrument maker program, it didn't work natively but it works on DOSBox. < 1363374001 62109 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fasttracker II had a pc-speaker output < 1363374023 925061 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a well-known PC speaker soundcard driver for Windows 3.x. < 1363374044 438410 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think pretty much anyone would have been able to make a speech thing clone, and have fasttracker output through that instead < 1363374055 90515 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would give significantly better quality than any pc speaker < 1363374150 407025 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :VGM format supports OPL2 and OPL3, and even OPL4, and can even have two of each, but there is currently no support for PC speaker. < 1363374154 931405 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's an ALSA driver too? < 1363374321 126640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This OPL2 instrument maker can be used to test instrument sounds for OPL2 and OPL3 (it does support the waveforms of OPL3, but not 4-operator channels). I have already written a program to test instrument sound of OPLL. (Both programs require emulators, but a different emulator) < 1363374422 72171 :AnotherTest1!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363374438 31234 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363374440 251633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of PC speakers, it seems that these days it's not uncommon to have a (crummy, but still a) speaker wired to the onboard audio chipset so that it can make real sounds without any cleverness. That's the case with both of my workstations at work. < 1363374584 42786 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a PC speaker in this computer too. However emulation should still be required since some are not implemented perfectly and you might want to run the program on a computer which is not a PC, too. < 1363374759 384458 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The different tone of the high notes might have to do with the time to move the speaker, or of the duty cycle (which is as close to 50% as possible, but not always exactly)? < 1363374933 689723 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363375033 442420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is different to many sound chips that make square waves, which will use the period for half of the wave cycle instead of the full wave cycle (or, if you can adjust the duty cycle, usually whatever the smallest duty is). < 1363375853 748818 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On the plus side: I can leave without penalty as long as I give 5 days notice, and there's no non-compete if I leave < 1363375909 736850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :downside is you'll be leaving the recruiting firm rather than an employer because you're being scammed or something?? < 1363375982 319268 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of burned a bridge with the internship possibility :( < 1363375983 865865 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :downside to a plus side? this is hard. < 1363375999 211359 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Said that I'm no longer looking for an internship) < 1363376024 78892 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1363376041 777359 :AnotherTest1!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363376405 421961 :AnotherTest1!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363376647 590496 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363376664 475534 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1363376679 96494 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363376688 691878 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice, ipv6 < 1363376706 579404 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't my ISP do that < 1363376831 99755 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the day we'll all be on ipv6 is the day ipv8 will be out. < 1363376969 551081 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happened to ipv5 < 1363376981 497366 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's a dead experiment for streaming < 1363377045 151099 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Version 5 was used by the experimental Internet Stream Protocol.) < 1363377100 831987 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t 'a' :: a < 1363377102 515211 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match type `a1' with `Char' < 1363377102 664650 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `a1' is a rigid type variable bound by < 1363377102 664749 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : an expression type signature: a1 at :1:1 < 1363377168 628395 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :??? < 1363377376 3102 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363377580 62055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363377627 106046 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellørjan. < 1363377635 985473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :helloily < 1363377667 54972 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363377702 979762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I was starting to believe fizzie killed you and hid the body and was just running an IRC client to hide the truth <-- i take it this was the obvious explanation. < 1363377799 376266 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland, etc < 1363377963 72598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : don't worry, they'll be a new stereotypical enterprise language soon enough. <-- it will be based on haskell, but watered down to be codeable by enterprise drones, in a way that completely ruins the advantages of the language. < 1363378011 855083 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how java is "just" "a" watered down "small" "talk" < 1363378029 487252 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: are you thinking about F#? < 1363378036 286386 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Scala watered down? < 1363378048 398320 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens if you water down water? < 1363378056 607008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, scala is watered up < 1363378058 484911 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :scala might be watered up java < 1363378060 140587 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Homeopathy. < 1363378074 205973 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah. I forgot. < 1363378074 355611 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :watering up sounds like it means exactly the same as watering down < 1363378089 535800 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :inflammable < 1363378120 499806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: well F# is based on ocaml... but is it watered down enough to be coded by drones? < 1363378139 360764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :-> < 1363378166 237585 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck -> < 1363378166 876241 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
Usage: (-> x)
< 1363378167 26242 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :       (-> x form)
< 1363378167 26435 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :       (-> x form & more)
< 1363378167 26592 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
Threads the expr through the forms. Inserts x as the < 1363378167 26702 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second item in the first form, making a list of it if it is not a < 1363378167 26809 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :list already. If there are more forms, inserts the first form as the < 1363378167 26942 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :second item in second form, etc. < 1363378188 251949 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1363378200 831947 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow what < 1363378213 528788 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hell does duck do anyway < 1363378215 335900 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it sounds fungotty. < 1363378215 749202 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: and no web browser or file manager stinks, and the extended s42 networking support) < 1363378216 855489 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ~duck < 1363378217 52735 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1363378225 48300 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wiseguy, eh < 1363378225 198415 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck duck duck go < 1363378225 718257 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duck Duck Go is a search engine based in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania that uses information from crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia) with the aim of augmenting traditional results and improving relevance. < 1363378246 475110 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck ~duck ~goose < 1363378246 644451 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1363378248 309567 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1363378263 950920 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck llama llama duck < 1363378264 570499 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1363378270 618646 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: not sure about that, probably just watered down enough to be useless for non-drones < 1363378342 908223 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for your late friday enjoyment: http://youtu.be/HbPDKHXWlLQ < 1363378385 965989 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot? < 1363378386 320007 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: of course the command processor's initialization logic. it's pretty easy to do < 1363378395 895347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:06:03 don't worry, they'll be a new stereotypical enterprise language soon enough. <-- it will be based on haskell, but watered down to be codeable by enterprise drones, in a way that completely ruins the advantages of the language. < 1363378396 45005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like some things about LLVM but I also think some parts of it are badly designed and many things it doesn't do, the way to fix it seems making an entirely new one, which does not have this problem. < 1363378401 933041 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i believe you will find this exists and is called "scala". < 1363378406 366435 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's even more complex somehow. < 1363378448 275382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking of Curry-Howard with logic having numbers, and I have some idea of it. < 1363378468 927202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It could be, the equality now means a type of a bijective function between finite types. < 1363378490 793311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that it? < 1363378630 39685 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: the sound quality of that clip is amazing < 1363378698 751228 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know i didn't mean "stereotypical" to imply that you should stereotype it < 1363378750 762551 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monotyping is just too restrictive, Bike < 1363378761 47748 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I think it is part of the experience. maybe. < 1363378785 809179 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: if I could choose, I might choose not to experience that part < 1363378806 796898 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please tell me "stereo" isn't actually used in type theory, i have enough trouble with the colloquial vs the psychological < 1363378826 444161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well there's monotypes and polytypes < 1363378833 341574 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be cute to refer to the latter as stereotypes < 1363378846 529411 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stereo is two though < 1363378849 236305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: But what if they are more than that? < 1363378916 324666 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you could mean stereo to be a rank-1 type or something!!! < 1363378953 497349 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, perhaps it can? < 1363379188 499419 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363379406 689065 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.55.142 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363379558 487709 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363379592 554611 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363379618 755984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is how I described, how Curry-Howard would work with logic having numbers? < 1363379773 881927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : except it's even more complex somehow. <-- aka "it doesn't fit my prophecy at all" < 1363379799 803692 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the monomorphism restriction seems... weid < 1363379803 840995 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have now finished writing the recording for the Dungeons&Dragons that I played on Monday. < 1363379808 946747 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :'( < 1363379851 697650 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: you do recordings too? I thought I was quite alone doing that. < 1363379873 726195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I didn't know you do it. Well, now you know! < 1363379904 357141 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex < 1363379920 765988 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in tex too? same here. < 1363379922 712105 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : stereo is two though <-- the non-sound-related meanings of stereo- have nothing to do with "two". its greek meaning is supposedly "solid". < 1363379937 218593 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo that sounds way too usable in types < 1363379942 937261 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't give people ideas! < 1363379949 910471 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: O, I didn't know that either! Now I do know. But, what macros have you used with it? (I used a macro file I wrote myself for this purpose.) < 1363379970 262167 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, how did "solid" come to mean two-channel audio? < 1363379975 589356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok the picture-related ones also indicate "two" < 1363379981 982006 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: plain old latex. just a moment, let me find where I stashed them... < 1363380032 142572 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it vaguely means "three-dimensional". < 1363380055 239110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: OK. Yes, that is what a lot of people use, and you can use it if you want, but I find the other one better. < 1363380125 333297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: But neither stereo sound or stereo video are three-dimensional (although stereo video is used to simulate 3D). < 1363380146 881808 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they make the _illusion_ of three-dimensionality < 1363380164 249470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, I suppose they do that. < 1363380183 763053 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though ambisonics could actually be said to be three dimensional in some form. < 1363380199 802560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, ambisonics could be three dimensional. < 1363380211 305917 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you are using three-dimensional ambisonics.) < 1363380212 379000 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(surround sound scheme where you basically specify spherical harmonic parameters) < 1363380252 873337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think each of those get related to "two" because the fact that we have two eyes and two ears means two channels is enough to make the illusion half convincing. < 1363380258 644787 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: darn. don't have them with me, only on my home comp. < 1363380276 221396 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if we had three ears, stereophonic sound would require three speaker >:) < 1363380282 656446 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*speakers < 1363380288 699205 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell boily good monday morning! this is myself from last friday. I forgot to forward the logs to zzo38. < 1363380289 84376 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can tell yourself! < 1363380295 72311 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think ambisonics is something like YUV but with audio? < 1363380325 487219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: OK, then you can get when you want to, later, if you want to. To compile my file, you will need the file dungeonsrecording.tex which is in the same directory. < 1363380373 62312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, perhaps if it was, that is what would be called stereophonic sound; but now stereo sound is two channels so if someone has three ears they would still use stereo with two channels, I would think. < 1363380398 649898 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you have a Haskell program return a unix return value? < 1363380428 821721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes. < 1363380457 322867 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main :: IO Int? < 1363380463 292629 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1363380480 20497 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need the library which tells it to return the return codes. < 1363380539 517536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : the monomorphism restriction seems... weid <-- it's basically "things that look syntactically like they should only be evaluated once must be able to easily be implemented as being evaluated only once." the rest follows from how typeclasses are usually implemented with dictionary passing. < 1363380543 495612 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :System.Exit.exitWith :: ExitCode -> IO a < 1363380577 7282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Do you like my recordings? < 1363380601 592499 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: can't read them now, but they look very promising :D < 1363380606 200268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1363380700 421457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes, that's just language evolving and solidifying though. < 1363380714 917460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes, that is what I mean. < 1363380883 664435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo -e 'import System.Exit\nmain = exitWith $ ExitFailure 42' > /tmp/tmp.hs && runghc /tmp/tmp.hs; echo $? # just testing < 1363380890 28280 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :42 < 1363380926 40132 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it make any sense to take the job, and if I don't get the promised raise, just quit? < 1363380947 991089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or should I be trying to get the raises into the employment contract < 1363380960 596967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, that's the plain identifier = ... version anyway. the complicatedPattern = ... version (which cannot be fixed with an annotation) is stricter because it can make types stupidly ambiguous. < 1363381077 276969 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, if you have (a,b) = something and you need _both_ the type of a and b to determine what the type of something should be < 1363381125 55645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :then it makes no sense to have that (typeclass) polymorphic while a and b don't need to be used together. < 1363381235 909811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the reason why there is no restriction if typeclasses are involved, is because haskell without typeclasses has full type erasure so actually _can_ use the exact same representation evaluated only once, for all types. < 1363381244 54167 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*are _not_ involved < 1363381409 322941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run interp haskell 'main = print "test"' < 1363381415 78331 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363381418 685799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run interp haskell 'main = print "test"' < 1363381429 119018 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363381434 853680 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*sigh* < 1363381444 700465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or hm wait < 1363381458 670952 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp haskell main = print "test" < 1363381463 543932 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363381467 242780 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHATEV < 1363381650 990514 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it has no output, because print :: IO (). < 1363381667 48706 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, it takes an argument, but the end result is.) < 1363381667 736433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats boily -----### < 1363381696 863450 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION does that anime thing and catches the swatter with his open hands. < 1363381730 26872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is not fooled since he has watched nearly no anime < 1363381799 713280 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print "test" < 1363381801 362257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Show.Show (GHC.Types.IO ())) < 1363381801 511875 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of ... < 1363381815 577971 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensible < 1363381861 804407 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but, but... it's a staple! like the school festival and the beach episode and the power of friendship and...! < 1363381890 921093 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :I KNOW NONE OF THOSE THINGS < 1363381917 517585 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though you're apparently an anime staple? < 1363381924 821769 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION magical girl transformation < 1363381926 338843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am? < 1363381941 665317 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I don't recognize it either, and I've seen a bit of anime at least < 1363381957 852077 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think there's a trope for that... < 1363381972 643556 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: well catching your swatter with open hands is a staple evidently < 1363381975 595433 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep! that: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BarehandedBladeBlock < 1363382025 281038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was hoping for a trope about not recognizing anime tropes < 1363382036 307765 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, is your magic want a swatter < 1363382039 159362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wand < 1363382080 141881 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ummm in an RP I'm in it's a flashlight? < 1363382208 851107 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen the anime "Kaiji"? < 1363382245 819473 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the one about Go < 1363382255 933408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1363382256 304269 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hikaru no Go is the anime about Go < 1363382260 72483 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1363382269 783443 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't use a torch as a magic wand < 1363382271 121073 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot how far I got :( < 1363382271 467391 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, I saw akagi and probably should see kaiji < 1363382271 966320 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just silly < 1363382281 994644 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can torch a magic wand < 1363382294 877301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I saw Akagi too, and I like both of those < 1363382358 60181 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's a magic flashlight, it blasts beams of light and love at witches < 1363382425 401733 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll try to sneak something to that effect in our next campaign, and see how it goes from there. < 1363382446 954722 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: did you get to that episode where he plays Go? < 1363382495 547490 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, so it's like a lightsabre < 1363383218 980886 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363383259 766178 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Riding Mill is surprisingly easy to get lost in < 1363383265 527884 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did you know they have like 5 village halls? < 1363383488 420324 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ooh, you almost have a patch in ghc < 1363383544 578616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Except that someone else wrote it? < 1363383552 530449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this situation better. < 1363383568 830330 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is a slightly refined version of a patch by shachaf" it says < 1363383580 563380 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this the empty class things < 1363383581 322426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1363383583 603961 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zero-parameter calss things < 1363383583 922039 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363383589 438312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it support adding methods < 1363383591 164244 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlike shachaf's < 1363383852 325242 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This sounds ridiculous < 1363383856 856917 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Link? < 1363383964 100228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why doesn't Haskell already have zero-parameter classes? < 1363383984 732725 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're called types < 1363384003 165452 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That isn't exactly the same < 1363384005 668038 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, wouldn't they have kind Constraint? < 1363384010 908435 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :sssshhh < 1363384011 574194 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than * < 1363384017 863701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Wait, I hope so. < 1363384020 204055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you check? < 1363384024 857122 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise I don't like it so much. < 1363384052 356399 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1363384056 707080 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, perhaps because they're kind of useless if you don't think about them much? < 1363384159 65126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE {^Raven^} < 1363384162 535216 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​{^RaVeN^}: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1363384188 992440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you check? < 1363384203 117841 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nevertheless, it seems that they are just another case of the classes, so it should be supported like multi-parameter are; also, they could be used if you don't define the instance until another module < 1363384254 338840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Can you? < 1363384257 735201 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My dad's concerned about lack of specification of how many hours I would actually be working < 1363384297 551788 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, have we accidentally encountered eachother face to face thus destroying the universe yet? < 1363384356 561086 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1363384419 958314 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363384454 952382 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no < 1363384458 79286 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey everyone. < 1363384464 260833 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What else might be useful is define types local to a block < 1363384465 968785 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes back to lurking. < 1363384479 288042 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quoth the {^Raven^}, "nevermore". < 1363384481 167632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: What is it that you wanted? < 1363384511 550127 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not psychic. < 1363384514 314053 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: wow weren't you here in like 2005 < 1363384518 578514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1363384524 715595 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to hang out here an era ago. < 1363384540 61978 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: Well, we changed the logs since then. < 1363384555 943198 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm, I guess my memory sucks X-D < 1363384593 291781 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you Gregor and a few other peeps. < 1363384603 953345 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, was I here in 2005? < 1363384607 390375 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good. < 1363384607 607654 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot when I showed up < 1363384613 509843 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Sgeo < 1363384624 309829 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15649 < 1363384635 129328 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome {^Raven^} < 1363384635 294424 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}, do you remember me < 1363384638 408865 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​03{^Raven08^}: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric progr05amm04ing langu02age design05 a06nd deploym12en05t! For 10more 14infor12mat05i06on, che12ck out 07our 08w09iki: h05ttp://eso07langs.org/wiki/Ma10in13_Page. (For the oth12er kind of 06esoterica, try #esoter08ic on13 irc13.da14l.n13et.03) < 1363384647 741435 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey I was < 1363384713 354662 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't < 1363384721 939858 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's been 8 years, I barely remember breakfast. < 1363384735 357901 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1363384741 925590 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm elliott's good twin < 1363384745 308356 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I recognize this Raven person? < 1363384748 936358 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you believe six impossible things before breakfast, now? < 1363384787 761022 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You bet. 5 of them are the alarms I vainly hope will awaken me. < 1363384798 879266 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs Raven < 1363384805 999318 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.10124 < 1363384848 580392 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, may have been before my time. < 1363384857 273440 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`pastelogs pikhq < 1363384864 937950 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5264 < 1363384876 707739 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION waves? < 1363384937 496801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a internet protocol for log in to send/receive SQL commands and response? < 1363384938 52502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi {^Raven^} < 1363384945 457580 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey kmc. < 1363384957 117186 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yes it's called any text field on any PHP website < 1363384961 3102 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was some scary pastelog. < 1363384978 9195 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: No; I mean without website and without necessarily PHP < 1363384993 632489 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc < 1363384996 745872 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}, on my pastelog, I appear and hold a conversation I remember having... about a year before I knew IRC existed < 1363385013 483796 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: < 1363385045 416216 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Is there separate protocol, though? < 1363385162 237520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think every SQL server package has their own protocol < 1363385165 470512 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know of a standard one < 1363385185 41437 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably each has several protocols, realistically) < 1363385233 240128 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps a generic one could be made, then. < 1363385291 811040 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In case you want to any clients who might connect on the SQL, to be able to operate it remotely. < 1363385315 752527 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oblig XKCD: http://xkcd.com/927/ < 1363385327 711927 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1363385369 443791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that is how it works, sometimes. < 1363385375 900552 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like USB; it has problems. < 1363385379 877842 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :need a standard for dealing with multiple competing standards < 1363385381 59313 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cell phone chargers have actually become a lot more standard < 1363385393 338619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as have character encodings < 1363385394 778320 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think my favorite version of that is still zzo38 saying he conforms to a lot of stuff others don't, though < 1363385405 267304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There is, such as internet, we have different port numbers for other protocols. < 1363385422 828086 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well played. < 1363385441 696338 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet? yeah, i'd say internet < 1363385456 58754 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it is an inter net work after all < 1363385456 729445 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to limityourself to lowest common denominator SQL wchich could be limiting in itself < 1363385470 534739 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQmK1CnwOUI < 1363385500 873793 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this better than windows 1.0's ads < 1363385513 9249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: To ensure working with everything you will, even though some servers may use additional commands, which might work too even though such thing is not SQL standard and not guarantee working everything. < 1363385514 556195 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow he does sound drunk < 1363385531 380992 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :post your.... photographs...... < 1363385578 624749 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes there are different standards, but often they don't even conform, anyways. < 1363385582 688191 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}, so what have you been up to in the past few years < 1363385610 987157 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like PostScript and PDF and Microsoft paper format, so I use DVI. < 1363385633 469925 :jiella!~jiella@gprs-internet-bceef7-124.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363385633 619548 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Not all PHP website is SQL anyways. < 1363385641 35643 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :SQL is a different programming language to PHP. < 1363385643 670594 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has been getting paid to write programs for a living < 1363385659 399556 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy < 1363385661 248469 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: What programs? < 1363385726 674255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :For telephone I use POTS. < 1363385744 843236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :smoke POTS everyday < 1363385759 914036 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mostly large scale websites. Nothing I'd like to talk about though I like to keep my personal and professional lives seperate. < 1363385768 114109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1363385813 819592 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}, did you get asked the Hexham question when you used to be here? < 1363385837 528481 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, so you don't write any Famicom games? < 1363385849 503256 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham question? < 1363385851 545001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard to get paid to write Famicom games these days, I expect < 1363385862 721814 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}, do you live in Hexham? < 1363385868 627412 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah. < 1363385872 783078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I suppose you are correct. < 1363385876 27328 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about Finland < 1363385876 518216 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: wait are you the person who made that Lost Kingdom thing < 1363385879 123567 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like who doesn't write famicom games < 1363385888 686935 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliot, sure am. < 1363385897 386890 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew the name seemed familiar!!! < 1363385904 569063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear ais523 almost beat it < 1363385935 270817 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Props, to Calamair without whom it wouldn't have been possible < 1363385940 994151 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Calamari < 1363385948 382963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I have written one Famicom game, called "Famicom Hangman", but I might write more later on, based on some of the games I have made in QBASIC, but a bit different. However, BIGMAZE might be too slow on Famicom because it has to make up a random maze and it uses a slow algorithm to do so. < 1363386056 869040 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trivia: the "piet" package on Hackage seems to suck < 1363386087 417413 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Do you? < 1363386102 287105 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. I am the answer to the question. < 1363386113 753448 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am the Famicomless spoken of in old legends. < 1363386176 594554 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, what have I missed in the lasy 8 years or so since I last logged in? < 1363386231 492971 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Underload < 1363386236 362521 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty cool esolang < 1363386246 452662 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :BF Joust? < 1363386293 293343 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The... wiki changed host? < 1363386326 131823 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Fancy L problem? < 1363386344 226820 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...fungot? < 1363386344 674314 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: like docstrings or something? :p. ugh i need to find more minor details to fiddle in my toy lisp interpreter turned out to be a < 1363386349 200103 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The chat is made up of different people < 1363386355 932885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, and HackEgo too probably < 1363386390 435985 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Ngevd < 1363386392 120099 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​P=9hR3*9߳tm)Ϩٰqu!p \ 5IQx^i8?0BמvaoRWz.qP,'vֆcmC~Ce| < 1363386400 496264 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The many names of Taneb? < 1363386436 674569 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax and cheaters' banishment? < 1363386450 886477 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover's Tumblr? < 1363386458 759716 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The harrowing of hell. < 1363386517 580484 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey came back to tell elliott to shut up about Scots and then left again. < 1363386568 143216 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed the new language I made that only I seem to care about. < 1363386574 682945 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you also missed PSOX < 1363386583 441358 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX came and went < 1363386584 763319 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You also missed cpressey, maybe. < 1363386587 121787 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Another thing that only I care about) < 1363386619 463303 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fax isn't banned. < 1363386623 718904 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSOX, awesome < 1363386630 968597 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo, did you read that one thesis on trusting trust? < 1363386632 198548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually only cheater and dbelange are banned. < 1363386641 224950 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bit like PESOIX only more implemented < 1363386663 470062 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, funny thing is, I never actually read it < 1363386667 696394 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all that it's inspired me < 1363386712 411043 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well don't feel bad, nobody else has read it either < 1363386720 782845 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot like worse is better probably < 1363386770 970028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: you are still too early to miss Feather. < 1363386782 974709 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read the original reflections on trusting trust, it's accessible so why wouldn't you < 1363386788 403640 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i haven't read the defeating trusting trust thing < 1363386795 617006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly nothing like PESOIX and PSOX has taken off. < 1363386822 326156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/ this one < 1363386842 175021 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recall someone did write a nice POSIX PESOIX layer. < 1363386844 616278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybet hat's the one Bike meant. < 1363386853 623120 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since the original one isn't a thesis < 1363386857 768570 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's what i was thinking of < 1363386861 528896 :jiella!~jiella@gprs-internet-bceef7-124.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1363386882 50463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: you have also missed /// < 1363386896 848944 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the mass Haskellization. < 1363386916 398614 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, what was there before the mass Haskellization < 1363386926 156975 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On topic discussion. < 1363386934 412716 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1363386935 265644 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everybody were diehard snobol programmers < 1363386935 511750 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no there wasn't :P < 1363386938 746319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically i think you may have missed LOLCODE, i'm mentioning this only to annoy the others. < 1363386950 472234 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eff you. :P < 1363386951 964428 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and ESME. < 1363386953 859741 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember writing a few CGI programs in pure BF back then. < 1363386981 570556 :jiella!~jiella@gprs-internet-bceea6-97.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1363386992 644099 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome jiella < 1363386995 300119 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :jiella: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1363387013 172076 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1363387053 424440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :despite Phantom_Hoover's best intentions, you have also missed a heap of brainfuck derivatives. < 1363387115 328402 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, would you say MIBBLLII is a brainfuck derivative < 1363387165 648946 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: well then it would obviously be in the category, wouldn't it? duh. < 1363387188 840423 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was inspired by the concept of brainfuck derivatives < 1363387232 931822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i recall when i arrived Backflip was one of the first new languages. so since i arrived after you left, you probably missed that. < 1363387258 814089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact we've pretty much forgotten it, even though ais523 made derivatives of it. < 1363387282 86331 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ha, i like it < 1363387292 357033 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was Emmental around back then? and Jolverine, those are cpressey languages i recall working on. < 1363387307 39649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Qdeql. < 1363387321 518875 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh is bckw just a superset of ski < 1363387345 281535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a superset of a subset of ski < 1363387362 211670 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, < doesn't seem to be in bcwksdkfasd < 1363387365 307742 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a re-basing, so to speak. < 1363387379 284418 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is k in bckw the k in ski? < 1363387392 981119 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363387398 637111 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :S is some garbage, though < 1363387401 134279 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.s. single-combinator bases are way cooler < 1363387417 4153 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mibbllii has more combinators. clearly software bloat. < 1363387431 491356 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you missed Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download < 1363387452 8559 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, looking at the title, are esolangs still on topic? < 1363387464 355862 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, BCKW and SKI are similar but different < 1363387464 746519 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostensibly yes < 1363387470 855274 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find BCKW easier to code with < 1363387497 48007 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: the _title_ isn't always on topic. more so now than usual, actually. < 1363387498 619069 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: as you can see the people in the channel still know things about them. < 1363387506 770750 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe that's a misuse of ostensibly if it doesn't actually say anywhere that esolangs are on topic < 1363387520 345405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ostensibly off topic, supposedly on topic, actually not usually on topic < 1363387537 888824 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i can't think of a single-combinator base off the top of my head, fuck < 1363387550 765257 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, there's Iota's i < 1363387555 835115 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i = \x -> x S K < 1363387563 644274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think zzo38 arrived after me, so all his languages, such as Flogscript < 1363387574 940729 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that works < 1363387604 172252 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has some nefarious plans but nothing that actually has any code behind yet. < 1363387639 523191 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it a bf derivative i bet it is < 1363387649 524710 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course many others arrived after me, but zzo38 was _very_ prolific at the beginning. < 1363387717 980084 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the topic of #esoteric should be the topic of #esoteric < 1363387746 653833 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good opinion. approved < 1363387749 231941 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :recursive topics, nice < 1363387802 740467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: who died and made you opinion police < 1363387814 251613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Gandhi. < 1363387819 951234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363387855 342775 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363387862 569682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363387874 394851 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't say I approved it. < 1363387889 948521 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Eodermdrome. < 1363387924 910542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i was shooting the figurative messenger < 1363387926 467874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, why didn't i list it on my article page, i proved it TC < 1363388034 968095 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make another esolan < 1363388036 617274 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolang < 1363388046 415240 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fucktrust < 1363388066 967713 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should it be more Trust-ish languages, or something else? < 1363388074 253338 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really don't have any other ideas :( < 1363388091 694934 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whenever you feel inesolangadequate just remember that i don't even have a wiki account < 1363388116 110850 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And my first esolang was an Ook! derivative < 1363388127 521735 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :make a programming language that's a game engine < 1363388152 441107 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, braintrust is not my first esolang < 1363388160 223658 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know that < 1363388162 88689 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just I suck < 1363388202 416410 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the interpreter is a game. code is inputted and executed by performing tasks in-game < 1363388205 408183 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to read some Paranoia Live logs < 1363388233 474179 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_, there was a PS2 game like that, I believe < 1363388238 36207 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Only released in Japan < 1363388312 923596 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :RPG Maker? < 1363388346 462723 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still surprised Fueue is turing complete < 1363388380 754318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...how could it not be. < 1363388389 126287 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno < 1363388398 536957 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: who needs ideas when you have desire & ambition < 1363388407 342541 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless it were obviously restricted like Ftack < 1363388436 491016 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unimplementable) esolang idea: < 1363388439 532053 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not just turing complete, it's turing complete if you remove like half the instructions < 1363388473 87689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :{^Raven^}: you also missed Fueue, if i didn't mention it yet. < 1363388480 840891 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang that would be turing complete except there's one specific calculation that cannot be performed, one program that cannot be run, even by, say, simulating GoL < 1363388544 701160 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I don't think such thing is possible even mathematically < 1363388586 648421 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: seems very hard to define properly while still giving an interesting result... < 1363388586 797265 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure it is. Just check that no parts of the program = the forbidden program, with an implementation in a super-TC language. < 1363388628 711993 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i suspect in that case, you would find it hard to prove any given program _could_ be run. < 1363388634 805010 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have a very curious definition of "sure it is"... < 1363388702 807529 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that program could give you, in an unprovable way, the ability to simulate the forbidden one. < 1363388765 202627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: oh well, arithmetic is overrated anyway < 1363388768 984426 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hm i note that for underload, it is not known how to remove a or * from a program, other than by converting it to a turing machine first... < 1363388879 16275 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: without a or * there is no way to construct _new_ subprograms, which means if you take the subprograms you start with you almost have a TM by definition. < 1363388890 636588 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363388933 441863 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like there should be a way to do a translation that results in less indirection/program explosion than going through a TM, but what do I know < 1363388945 10350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I was thinking of a and * _separately_ < 1363389007 38192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i think there can only be a constant factor difference. < 1363389028 931284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok if you do them _separately_, maybe... < 1363389045 870824 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a just gives you a sort of added counter ability. < 1363389094 517928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have thought before that you can remove either a or *, _and_ ~ without dropping all the way down to a minsky machine. < 1363389143 468969 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363389161 854875 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is just thinking that it would be interesting to a have an underload program --> :()^ program that works subset by subset, rather than involving a big first leap of conversion to TM then compilation < 1363389168 852300 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...i suppose removing just * would probably allow you to do something resembling brainfuck with unbounded calls < 1363389169 3688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*:()^ program transformation < 1363389180 853674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*cells < 1363389192 15057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :cells _and_ tape < 1363389359 143009 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/1adb56/wikimedia_enables_lua_scripting_for_page_content/ < 1363389444 92470 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1363389486 215471 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good strikethrough < 1363389545 627168 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363389738 736226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki markup is a thing of beauty < 1363389748 253699 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like pointy lisp < 1363389793 368422 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I happen to like MediaWiki format too, compared to other wiki < 1363389795 626335 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does hackego have a function to spit out a link to the wiki for a given term? < 1363389941 68708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mediawiki is shit and yet i've yet to see another wiki system that isn't annoyingly awkward < 1363389975 107823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wiki maybe < 1363389976 355608 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: wiki: not found < 1363389981 830147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki maybe < 1363389981 980602 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/wiki/maybe < 1363390062 562388 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Esolang interpreters right on the Esowiki pages! < 1363390141 2313 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Well, yes, OK, but still I like MediaWiki syntax compared to other wiki. < 1363390143 597205 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`paste bin/wiki < 1363390146 464364 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/bin/wiki < 1363390160 762065 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :helpful < 1363390168 200082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohh < 1363390171 363561 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right im dumb < 1363390176 82067 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, fix that < 1363390818 215518 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa < 1363390834 650224 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My Tumblr profile picture's cropped so it says "CE CREAMS HER" < 1363390863 660545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a clear case of karma. < 1363390867 11427 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sex acts with obscure pronouns are most tolerant sex acts < 1363390867 161304 :{^Raven^}!~Raven@cpc5-shef11-2-0-cust141.barn.cable.virginmedia.com PART :#esoteric < 1363390918 737784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1363390942 398007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :raven's isp hub thing is in sheffield < 1363390948 216559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's dangerously close to hexham < 1363390956 762382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he was already asked. < 1363390959 695394 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's like 100 miles away from Hexham < 1363390992 601223 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look < 1363390999 292558 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's in The North < 1363391008 609378 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://maps.google.co.uk/ < 1363391009 543943 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is TOO CLOSE FOR COMFORT < 1363391011 170342 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait < 1363391015 893053 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?saddr=hexham&daddr=sheffield&hl=en&sll=52.8382,-2.327815&sspn=7.728394,20.214844&geocode=FfnQRgMdcMXf_ykVmDENYpB9SDEEwA0heCs6qA%3BFQmILgMde5Hp_ykVvuj6qQp5SDF4sAav9ScoPg&t=h&mra=ls&z=8 < 1363391029 228385 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sheffield's practically midlands! < 1363391040 414774 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's closer to ais523 than it is to me! < 1363391049 555281 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have heard people say nottingham is where the north starts < 1363391057 167648 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow hexham is very Northern < 1363391060 20597 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relatedly: warwick is so full of southerners i feel so alone < 1363391094 187601 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, that's your own fault for not abusing free university education in Scotland < 1363391103 308874 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :abusing??? < 1363391124 749501 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not our fault we're politically disconnected from the south < 1363391141 102506 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think {^raven^} gvae up on us < 1363391146 715577 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also gave < 1363391159 685275 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: btw someone should update ^wiki < 1363391165 486776 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pinging you for absolutely no reason! < 1363391173 939801 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone, n. fizzie < 1363391208 187679 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^src wiki < 1363391210 41689 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show wiki < 1363391210 191202 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :+13[>+9>+9>+8>+4<4-]>3.<2-..-4.>3+6.-11..<-3.<-2.<-.>+.>.<-2.<-6.>2-2.>-.<2+4.>+12.<+2.<-4.>-12.>+.<-7.>+2.<+.-.<-2.>2+2.>.<2+9.<+2.>2.>+.<+3.-14.+2.-2.>.,[.,] < 1363391233 855688 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bf_txtgen http://esolangs.org/wiki/ < 1363391273 192555 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363391287 262431 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`interp bf_txtgen http://esolangs.org/wiki/ < 1363391291 62606 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the hexhammian english accent like < 1363391292 876268 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: wow yorkshire is altogether too big < 1363391299 751806 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1363391300 744079 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :171 +++++++++++++++[>++++>+++++++>+++++++>++++++++<<<<-]>>>-.>----..<<+++++++.<--.-----------..>>---.<+++.>>-----.---.<----.>++.<++++++.<.<-.>>>+.+++.<.<<+.>++++.>++.++.--.<<. [864] < 1363391308 831760 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_, northumbrian < 1363391321 317283 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_, it's a bit like geordie < 1363391321 994464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def wiki bf +++++++++++++++[>++++>+++++++>+++++++>++++++++<<<<-]>>>-.>----..<<+++++++.<--.-----------..>>---.<+++.>>-----.---.<----.>++.<++++++.<.<-.>>>+.+++.<.<<+.>++++.>++.++.--.<<.,[.,] < 1363391322 144168 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1363391328 436280 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^wiki Esme < 1363391328 585883 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Esme < 1363391335 542306 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_, illustrative example courtesy of google: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTfC1BIgTCw < 1363391345 344781 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_, but with a bit of posh English in it too < 1363391356 759061 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably representative of elliott's voice < 1363391358 430563 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: pls save kthxbye < 1363391369 622443 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, the Northumbrian accent is mainly further North < 1363391399 630867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you picked the optimal article to test it on, too < 1363391409 767628 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting from Blyth and ending near Berwick < 1363391432 819733 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fading from Geordie to Borders Scottish < 1363391451 600743 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1363391477 825508 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i know right? < 1363391478 829827 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is this true (ph's link) < 1363391480 860616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really have an accent < 1363391483 70517 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363391486 373491 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except like vaguely british < 1363391488 507021 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok good < 1363391498 49196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :élliott < 1363391510 52984 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But yeah, the Hexham accent is somewhere between vaguely british and geordie < 1363391551 609240 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an accent!! < 1363391566 403511 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, i used to think that but apparently my accent is identifiably scottish < 1363391567 108526 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a ridiculous accent < 1363391595 821774 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't have an accent, Ø is a perfectly undivided letter < 1363391596 866589 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm now imagining Phantom_Hoover with a somewhat confused thick Glaswegian accent) < 1363391609 608987 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(all the more confused because he's not from Glasgow) < 1363391614 757591 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the actual worst < 1363391621 308784 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would stab you but i'm not from glasgow < 1363391634 452003 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only i could hear talk_esme_baby < 1363391635 365814 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: well I assume there's some rhoticity in mine. I forget whether it's the rhotic kind or the non-rhotic kind < 1363391637 990377 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know on twitter glasgow is being bombed right now < 1363391641 544675 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also have the worst accent < 1363391656 152431 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: twitter has bombs now? < 1363391661 869366 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a kind of nasal upper class Northern english with slight Australian and Dutch twinges < 1363391688 850996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hexham accent is thoroughly rhotten < 1363391690 567111 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://twitter.com/RealTimeWWII/status/312604111843495936 bombed... by terrorists < 1363391691 450657 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds very good taneb < 1363391718 579342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well that's just regular glasgow < 1363391721 757038 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote glasgow < 1363391724 111456 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :460) Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. \ 616) No you can't fight crime in Glasgow. It's like trying to get rid of the space-time continuum. \ 784) Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer So, not like Glasgow at all < 1363391754 720489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey, i stopped doing it when it became mainstream < 1363391786 140603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote glasgow | tail -c300 < 1363391787 808900 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :over> Riots in Glasgow would probably be reported as a sudden drop in crime. \ 616) No you can't fight crime in Glasgow. It's like trying to get rid of the space-time continuum. \ 784) Phantom_Hoover, like Glasgow but nicer So, not like Glasgow at all < 1363391794 858185 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bo ring < 1363391800 281758 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote Hexham < 1363391801 477492 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :623) also, why isn't monqy from Hexham? his name sounds like he should be \ 692) oh right: Frooxius, you wouldn't happen to live in Hexham, would you? No, sorry. phew How about Finland? Why would I live there? That's a *very* good question. Why would anyone? \ 956) No, sorry. phew How about Finland? Why would I live there? That's a *very* good question. Why would anyone? \ 956) had a fit of a stroke of genius, and google mapped hexham. it's in the friggin middle of nowhere! < 1363391847 965137 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote Hexham | tail -c600 < 1363391849 347823 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :623) also, why isn't monqy from Hexham? his name sounds like he should be \ 692) oh right: Frooxius, you wouldn't happen to live in Hexham, would you? No, sorry. phew How about Finland? Why would I live there? That's a *very* good question. Why would anyone? \ 956) +++++>+++>+>++++++<<<<-]>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<------.>++++++++.<<++++++++++++++.------------.>>++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++.<----.-----------.<<-----------------------------------.>>>+++++++++++++++.++++++++++++.<<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>>>--------.<-------.<-----------------------.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>>----.++++++++++++.--- < 1363431142 955078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure. < 1363431359 868258 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: In Idris, if you subtract a large natural from a small natural, you just get zero < 1363431565 647282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, that satisfies the conditions, but it doesn't describe everything that is having such conditions. < 1363431648 856605 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could make your own integers that would produce negative values < 1363431720 128119 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If there is an ordering and subtraction is always possible, that satisfies the conditions, but I mean even some things where subtraction might not be always possible, or where there might be more than one possible answer of the subtraction) < 1363431748 692253 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is not pure subtraction in such case) < 1363431755 764369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, not necessarily, anyways.) < 1363432294 69681 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1363432481 543214 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mean necessarily only ordinary subtraction. < 1363433010 249680 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Say, a function that returns a list of values? < 1363433182 57621 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363433247 291360 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, something like that; maybe returns a set of values. < 1363433265 752241 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps if you have this kind of extraordinary subtraction, then you can have the extraordinary addition to go with it, too. < 1363433308 560955 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Well, could return [] too < 1363433327 737305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Yes, that is what I was thinking of too. < 1363433333 967915 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it could work in the list monad < 1363433346 629189 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :using guard to eliminate values < 1363433425 655720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think it should be set monad, although you could use list monad to pretend to be a set monad. < 1363433454 177691 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I mean there is always at least one answer if A is less than or equal to B. < 1363433549 126665 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could probably enforce that in the type < 1363433673 118945 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363433757 487091 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If a Icosahedral RPG multimana is defined as the multiset of manas, then the ordinary addition is the multiset sum, and the ordinary multiplication is the cartesian product over the multiset sum. Therefore you will have an ordinary subtraction as well. But you could then have extraordinary subtraction, if A is what you have and B is the mana cost, A-B is whatever is left over afterward; there might be more than one answer (or none at all). < 1363433779 177562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could then have its inverse, the extraordinary addition, which does the similar thing. < 1363433829 877699 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case, extraordinary subtraction A-B is possible if and only if B is less than or equal to A. < 1363433839 155964 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the result set guaranteed to have a greatest element? < 1363433945 934402 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363434409 502047 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I don't think so. If `- is extraordinary subtraction, then (ug+ur+1)`-u can result ug+1 or ur+1 neither of which is greater. < 1363434675 55096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :However, I think that with extraordinary addition (which, unlike ordinary addition, is not commutative), there will always be one least answer, which is the same answer as ordinary addition. < 1363435909 528552 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363439119 13217 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f792.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363440731 312102 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1363440795 510088 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1363441021 212292 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1363442557 803441 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363442659 373864 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1363442884 57714 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363443559 748289 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1363443674 936025 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f792.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey elliott: do you still have the link to that page on whch generated sounds from mathematical formulas? i can't find :( < 1363443870 345075 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f792.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it: http://wurstcaptures.untergrund.net/music/ < 1363444768 538902 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db43930.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363444793 592558 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db4f792.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1363444798 957955 :hagb4rd2!~perdito@koln-4db43930.pool.mediaWays.net NICK :hagb4rd < 1363445354 544783 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363445359 776623 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363445578 283407 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363445583 774962 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363447052 721140 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363447191 564048 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :warning: fleshlight invasion on the wiki < 1363447207 672123 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea what that is and I really don't want to know < 1363447302 560092 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like a flashlight < 1363447303 44405 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but < 1363447306 213066 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363447431 12145 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't? shame < 1363447453 259971 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are they teaching kids in school these days < 1363447645 574570 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1363447772 957218 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1363448008 465511 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: ignorance is not cool < 1363448208 315683 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oklopol: I repent < 1363448226 463605 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1363448240 25660 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a fleshlight is a fake vagina. < 1363448317 142830 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHY WOULD YOU SAY THAT < 1363448317 350045 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think it'll be okay for men to have sex toys too, some day? < 1363448382 164255 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arc_Koen: it's part of my war against willful ignorance < 1363448416 714942 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is forceful knowledge better? < 1363448424 174246 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363448517 396578 :Arc_Koen!~Arc_Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :goog to know < 1363448536 391809 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :goog indeed. < 1363448655 415338 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363448661 510685 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363448666 932885 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363449089 53935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOOG, isn't that the NASDAQ code for Google? < 1363449151 39559 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :goog.com redirected me to a page (in swedish!) asking me how old I am < 1363449587 572155 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so, something tells me that GOOG is not the NASDAQ code for Swedish porn. < 1363449811 720311 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google's just bought out SexyMse.xxx < 1363449895 540662 :Gregor!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :When will the powerful Swedish Porn Consortium stop? D-8 < 1363451270 525755 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363451715 872289 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ow.ly/j2UQo "If it’s not a cult, then why are they painted grey? And why are they wearing devil horns?" Is this... is this about Homestuck cosplayers? < 1363451719 372308 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I had to url-shorten it because the actual link makes the 'not-sure-about-it' "joke" not work.) < 1363452242 236310 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363452582 605939 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363452587 816100 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1363452630 993057 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363452808 618840 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seen it before, and yes < 1363452848 476478 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Were you, in fact, THERE? < 1363452855 212945 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INDEED I WAS < 1363452860 119981 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(disclaimer: I was not) < 1363452871 214581 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you, in fact, "Guest"?! < 1363452872 798097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1363452874 573893 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(however, I am going to an anime con in Homestuck cosplay next weekend) < 1363452888 401311 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1363452913 381595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so you're in a cult. < 1363452939 43421 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1363452948 959937 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The mysterious cult known only as... < 1363452951 154563 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Homestuck" < 1363452973 303869 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, however, am not one of the horn-wearing grey-skinned ones < 1363452978 27881 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I AM SUPERIOR TO THAT < 1363452981 552647 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I don't know, but I liked that last line < 1363453051 809483 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1363453070 449853 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One day, some English sports fans are gonna sing "Jerusalem" at a match against Israel and everyone will be confused < 1363453076 13137 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you cosplaying as Casey < 1363453092 246106 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, I actually was almost going to be Secret Wizard < 1363453279 951972 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, I am cosplaying Jake English < 1363453306 756556 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice shorts < 1363453310 541410 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed < 1363453313 782348 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to make those today < 1363453548 845414 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :god-tier? < 1363453676 499447 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, but green bodywarmer tier < 1363453712 817604 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good tier < 1363453779 511481 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/301104_453019734742315_623549310_n.jpg <-- me being Jake English previously < 1363453831 592516 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas, I am not the best cosplayer < 1363453836 697813 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :which one's jake english? < 1363453844 489681 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The awesome one < 1363453859 592950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow these new spam pages are fantastic < 1363453871 231320 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spam pages you say < 1363453882 82133 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=006906 < 1363453885 120447 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 Benefits of fleshlightWhy spanking the monkey at him in private. A Fleshlight is always ready to work and a certain amount of pain. Humor that has some impact on self-identity, gender relations, and many in our choices tend to be fleshlight aiming to provide confidence. < 1363453890 746234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the news this week that the AAFL are publicly announcing the purchase of the 'fleshlight' for added self-gratification, you'd think they'd realise that expensive set-dressed cinematic sex is soooo-1970s. Aw, hell, he does own homes in LA, Canada, New York, Stony Brook, maintained that Victorian readers would have recognized Heep's physical traits as those of an active Fleshlight. K It's called Fleshlight. < 1363453904 276575 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent. < 1363453921 358522 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :These feels markovian < 1363453921 580469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:GenesisUU wow these are just < 1363453963 849814 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :get ready to rock with the ultimate handheld fleshlight < 1363453987 287705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not illegal -- but it is insignifigant compared to the ribbed edges of fleshlight. < 1363453990 754381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Have you been writing spam for money? < 1363453990 967301 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( it's not in the topic < 1363454038 159709 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net TOPIC #esoteric : #esoteric is supposed to be about esoteric programming languages, but is really a couple of dozen people being weird | Newsflash: fungot has been writing spam for money. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1363454057 678909 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, it is now. Will you amend your statement? < 1363454058 240106 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i agree with you in the past with losing disks and such, and if you're using libxml, it's not useless if you're playing in a different mem location < 1363454136 862826 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: That sounds like typical politician doubletalk to me. < 1363454137 567301 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: errr, interactive?) language with the most stupid explaination one can get. in there, quite a few are take home because... " muahaha! nothing can help you < 1363454152 681124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose nothing can help me. < 1363454259 454328 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to buy what my mum would call a "Hexham hat" for my SATW!Finland cosplay < 1363454315 521381 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how would you like a hexham hat? < 1363454315 670714 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: i don't know < 1363454337 426116 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that shop opposite the witch sells them < 1363454345 779934 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But they use really foul perfume in the shop < 1363454349 729183 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I don't want to go in < 1363454352 341851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Is that a village witch? < 1363454362 903945 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a town witch I'm afraid < 1363454381 568881 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's as good. Does curses and so on? < 1363454439 449396 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1363454439 599030 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1363454440 200642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just saw that Oz thing (we had due-to-expire-soonishly Christmas present theater tickets), speaking of witches. < 1363454468 138593 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1363454468 465845 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it may be too clever; i'm not sure i like < 1363454475 205585 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes the idea that hexham has an official witch position, and they presumably need to advertise for a new witch if the existing witch retires or moves out of town < 1363454479 593148 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be stopped by that sword alone. < 1363454511 900260 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wicked Witch of the Hexham. < 1363454681 272062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I think witches usually die in office < 1363454682 489728 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the pope < 1363454706 409716 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "retired witch" is too awesome a job description not to have it in my mental image < 1363454758 727198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think many retired witches still do part-time witchery to kill time. < 1363454963 758121 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, would you go into that shop and buy me a hat < 1363454974 609910 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then leave it in a pre-determined pick-up point < 1363454994 390973 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that involves going outside < 1363454999 881559 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :big commitment < 1363455037 371842 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you can do it < 1363455039 361338 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I believe in you < 1363455046 698254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about you do it on my behalf < 1363455046 847884 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Despite the lack of secondary sources < 1363455060 646403 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't like going into that shop! < 1363455063 404509 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The perfume!!! < 1363455073 587813 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have a crippling fear of perfume) < 1363455076 693290 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :use a gas mask < 1363455093 953607 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But where would I find a gas mask in Hexham! < 1363455100 138784 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um in the bomb shelter < 1363455100 332745 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Think these things through, olsner < 1363455104 188333 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At the hat store. < 1363455112 10034 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it kind of a hat? < 1363455119 35341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway i am pretty sure this is just a plot by Taneb to find out what i look like < 1363455122 39526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :by hiding in the shop < 1363455139 474661 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, it's a plot by Taneb to avoid going into the shop < 1363455148 157728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I think that you'd find a comical net-and-a-tree kind of a trap at the hat pick-up point. < 1363455155 472721 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I already know you look like a 12 year old girl < 1363455202 373134 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is possibly not quite accurate any more < 1363455239 500762 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you look like a 14 year old girl < 1363455250 484524 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1363455253 156366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? < 1363455255 636114 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly one of those box things, propped up with a stick, with a theorem prover or something inside. (I don't know what they use as bait in elliott traps.) < 1363455270 566550 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do you look like that guy in that play I saw last night < 1363455274 351024 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do, don't you < 1363455288 643846 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was in no play < 1363455318 184371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: possibly a rabbit, I have a habit of trying to follow them < 1363455387 190288 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363455392 963806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A rabbit, dead or alive? < 1363455413 672667 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363455441 748470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was something about an inverted pyramid of rabbits. < 1363455507 303311 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a disk with Solaris 2011 on it < 1363455509 897431 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would that work < 1363455556 426349 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Solaris is made out of Iblis and Mephiles. < 1363455565 428867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i might actually try and steal a solaris disk < 1363455570 966349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :*disc < 1363455574 942388 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unlses it's actually a disk < 1363455583 876578 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a disq. < 1363455592 702402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1363455629 611328 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe the forthcoming holocube media (isn't that the future?) are going to be called disqs. < 1363456512 788113 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee JOIN :#esoteric < 1363456597 199067 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: did you block GenesisUU? I only see the deletions < 1363456611 965485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or are you hoping for more awesome language names? < 1363456683 554170 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363456683 926812 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Block log); 17:13 . . Ehird (Talk | contribs | block) blocked GenesisUU (Talk | contribs) with an expiry time of indefinite (account creation disabled, e-mail disabled, cannot edit own talk page) ‎(Spamming links to external sites) < 1363456702 613496 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :boring < 1363456704 727975 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fascist < 1363456706 354868 :Bike_!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1363456724 251312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363456725 253223 :DH____!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363456736 38895 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: if you want i'll make you a sysop so you can unblock them! < 1363456738 170820 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(probably not) < 1363457054 348063 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363457238 428003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1363457273 213585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*GASP* < 1363457284 3062 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how COULD you < 1363457284 828151 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: runtimeerror fnord' codec can't decode bytes in position 1-2: illegal multibyte sequence) really... i would have exported. oh well. only on l2 l3)) < 1363457290 778668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's ok the spam was really good < 1363457295 105764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1363457311 300069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :food -> < 1363457497 440335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you have character set problems? < 1363457497 787567 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i am a pissed off fnord, but it needs an extra field per object and a list < 1363457508 341035 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh-kay. < 1363457543 444648 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hrm. What's the point of spam where the spammer pretends to be a female who wants to start a relationship? < 1363457568 504349 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: to get responses < 1363457576 598175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly also to scam money? < 1363457580 308943 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just getting someone to respond to spam at all is something of a victory for a spammer < 1363457581 974901 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For "plane tickets" or whatever. < 1363457593 914357 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yes, that would be a plausible followup < 1363457612 99499 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but having a conversation with someone about anything at all gives you more of an opportunity to scam them, than if they ignore everything you say < 1363457618 201509 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or for the medical expenses of a badly ill mother, or something. < 1363457628 506253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pissed off fnords are the scariest < 1363457633 913796 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly a stove. < 1363457646 326098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cf. http://www.joewein.net/spam/spam-elena-needs-woodburning-oven.htm < 1363457707 275244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've gotten a few of those requests for the "wood burning stove". < 1363457759 628390 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, there's a hilarious sentence here, I'm going to pastie the spam < 1363457790 234133 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Dear ICS doctoral students -- Please register and participate! Interesting talks, good company, free food!" I see they get their "how to get doctoral students to attend" strategy from PhD comics. < 1363457790 828005 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, I wonder what sort of success rates you could get preying on spammers < 1363457814 462218 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many of them will be more gullible than average, and there's no problem in starting a conversation with them < 1363457815 759766 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastie.org/private/bkc3kimpstoepmjsag0vq < 1363457816 594915 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 419eaters was pretty popular at some point < 1363457819 949736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: 419- yes < 1363457825 59862 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah but it wasn't trying to make an income < 1363457828 964170 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just embarrass people < 1363457833 619885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I censored the email) < 1363457845 222180 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Many Humans began their relationship through correspondence. And so I decided to try it." < 1363457851 809332 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Clearly she's an alien. < 1363457853 483837 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder what the economic situation of your average 419 scammer is < 1363457856 389462 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you believe in love < 1363457856 848704 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I've seen a theory that many of the really really obvious scam attempts are the result of people who'd been scammed into buying into "get rich quick by scamming people" scams < 1363457859 277603 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sort of metascam < 1363457880 938513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: um how am i meant to reply to juliya if you cut out the email < 1363457888 83036 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the scam that gets sent out to the public doesn't have to work, it just has to be good enough to convince the victim scammer it will work < 1363457888 469308 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: back in the day it was not good, so 419eating got a bit controversial, since you were like tricking poor nigerians into fucking themselves < 1363457901 662589 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a sense of... proportion < 1363457924 554024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :419eater and its operatives was profiled on the September 9th, 2008 episode of Public Radio's This American Life,[3] specifically one particular bait that ran for 100 days starting in April 2008 and involved sending a scammer named Adamu from Lagos, Nigeria to Abéché, Chad, a dangerous and politically unstable region.[4] < 1363457937 834457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks like my intuition of them probably actually being dicks is accurate < 1363457946 381233 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363457956 412434 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get why you'd trick a scammer into going to Chad anyway < 1363457972 371246 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get equally amusing results without putting the scammer in danger < 1363457995 214496 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i'm not sure this attitude views the scammers as real people < 1363458016 99478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they are < 1363458031 352680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a way they're realer than other people, because you can talk to them and have some sort of idea that they exist < 1363458032 185749 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow you could get a phd in philosophy with insights like that < 1363458045 646478 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's more evidence that scammers exist, than that, say, the average Nigerian exists < 1363458063 886006 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll notify 419eaters' bayesian division immediately < 1363458144 198822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you see the thing about how scammers will identify as nigerian even when they aren't < 1363458156 231634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in order to quickly do away with anyone who is even slightly suspicious < 1363458163 171350 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the idea is to get the most gullible people to respond, right? < 1363458167 809867 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363458176 280674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gullible / ignorant / whatever < 1363458179 16891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the idea that you should appear as untrustworthy as possible to get /the most trusting responses/ < 1363458199 308187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363458204 132090 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes sense, really < 1363458208 459394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the kind of thing that doesn't make any sense unless the number of people receiving your message is gigantic < 1363458212 467202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember a TV show in the UK which needed gullible contestants < 1363458216 4610 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i read a neat article on how nigerian scammers were viewed in their societies, lemme find it < 1363458222 296934 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, Deal or No Deal? < 1363458224 800677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of curious things about spam, what I think a bit strange is the ones that are trying to sell some really specific product. Like all the chinese companies selling PCB manufacturing, or the one who wanted to sell me... I forget exactly what it was, maybe earthmoving equipment. Or concrete-mixing trucks. Anyway, something that presumably would (a) not interest a vast majority of ... < 1363458229 659750 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is like putting armor on the parts of your planes where the ones that come back /don't/ have bullet holes < 1363458230 104253 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it started out with a trial period that selected for gullibility < 1363458231 276381 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... recipients, and (b) would hopefully not be purchased based on random spam emails. < 1363458242 757677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: was that the one where they pretended to send them into space < 1363458243 843238 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(presumably they told the contestants they were selecting for something else, the people who were actually gullible would believe them) < 1363458245 888199 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1363458252 898699 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember that one < 1363458256 60414 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :british TV can be hilariously mean < 1363458257 48407 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't < 1363458264 219944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't they figure it out before it was over and so it was kind of a letdown < 1363458266 642804 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linky to info? < 1363458278 696213 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Cadets_(TV_series) < 1363458282 114515 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, they didn't all; several of them did but they were removed from the show via some excuse or another < 1363458301 41523 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they snuck all the past contestants on board the spacecraft temporarily, while it was allegedly in space, just to see if they could < 1363458303 745163 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thelliott < 1363458306 60072 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, wikipedia, i don't care about 419s in some tv show < 1363458316 244310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: "Dear manager: This is Emily from China. Glad to hear that you"re in the field of wire mesh. We specialize in WIRE MESH for many years" < 1363458323 138133 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i keep getting this one < 1363458329 412757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this reminds me of BlogNomic getting spam about stone crushers, specifically < 1363458332 190079 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it comes with some nice photos of wire mesh < 1363458355 632481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "We, Sanitek Co., Ltd specializes in the field of Ozone purification systems for air, water, waste water, agri-food and gas liquid mixing technology for industrial, commercial and municipal applications." < 1363458358 468048 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :blagh. < 1363458364 410124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, during the shooting of Space Cadets, smokers amongst the production crew were given Russian cigarettes to smoke in case any of the cadets discovered the butts. < 1363458366 968365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's from my inbox right now. < 1363458371 659214 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this seems rather overkill if the idea is that they are as gullible as possible < 1363458387 630788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the overkill was to make it more fun for the people watching < 1363458390 823282 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure < 1363458393 980753 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...I've just realised that one of the Haskell libraries I've created really treads on zzo38's toes < 1363458402 830502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if they were actually clever, they would know you can get western cigarettes in russia < 1363458414 54121 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: right i was thinking they could just say "oh yes, british cigarettes are the best in the world" < 1363458422 996327 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it only works on dumb people who think they're clever < 1363458425 897004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Also it too comes with "ozoneboy sanitek(10-22-08-49-56).jpg", but I'm not sure I want to check it out. < 1363458434 75592 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ozoneboy! < 1363458448 44673 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: first two authors in my spam folder: "Ellen DeGeneres weight loss Free Sample", "No risk Ellen DeGeneres Promo" < 1363458449 265354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: overkill is inherently entertaining, don't you agree? < 1363458451 187921 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sensing a theme here < 1363458457 230558 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Stereotyped characters, including a slow-talking Royal Air Force Squadron Leader with a luxuriant handlebar moustache" < 1363458460 623593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: yes, your explanation makes sense < 1363458475 342988 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I was just thinking in general, not trying to argue my point further < 1363458477 739945 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, if you make monoidplus depend on groups I'll give you an e-hug < 1363458487 534351 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, overengineered programs are usually less useful than more typical prorgams < 1363458489 29617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*programs < 1363458493 166295 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they're also more awesome < 1363458500 46362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Your Liberty Reserve Account Has Been Blocked!" < 1363458501 372347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no! < 1363458510 189936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where will I keep my liberty now? < 1363458526 664564 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also "PRESIDENT JOHN" has emailed me < 1363458534 50603 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELLO < 1363458534 463291 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not be suprised and please forgive me If this business proposition offends your moral values < 1363458540 340975 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :John is a perfectly reasonable name for a president < 1363458555 913126 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get spam emails about conferences on my university account, which makes sense really because I'm known to have written papers < 1363458560 358352 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 if you make monoidplus depend on groups I'll give you an e-hug < 1363458560 558266 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1363458567 749377 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the spam on nethack4.org is mostly about search engine optimization, which also makes sense < 1363458581 778140 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hilarious how blatant it is about their methods < 1363458582 437145 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the Double hoax ideas < 1363458597 167932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Dramani_Mahama apparently its this dude < 1363458601 209655 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone emails me asking for money to spam 2 million blog comments pointing at my website… < 1363458609 535103 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what's a double hoax? < 1363458617 80472 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goodluck_Jonathan < 1363458620 698596 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Greetings! < 1363458620 848146 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has come to our attention that you are trying to sell your personal Diablo III account(s). < 1363458629 105720 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just sayin' < 1363458637 415112 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363458661 345812 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :my Diablo III account got banned :( < 1363458673 823673 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: why? < 1363458676 165403 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, the Wikipedia page for Space Cadets notes that some thought that maybe the hoax was on the viewers, tricked into thinking that the participants were gullible and not just actors < 1363458679 150739 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that is a great name < 1363458681 827780 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. I didn't know I had one < 1363458687 186204 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just got an email saying I got banned :( < 1363458694 868311 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'As the attention to detail in the hoaxed environment became clear, some viewers expressed suspicions in particular on Channel 4's message board for the programme that the entire show, including the apparent gullibility and abject ignorance of the Cadets, was in fact a double bluff; all the Cadets were actors and that the real target of "the biggest prank in television history" was the "gullible" viewing public.' < 1363458716 468788 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: the most common such theory I saw was that the spaceship was actually in space, which seems dubious < 1363458725 168731 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i get a lot of phone calls telling me there are presently no problems with my current credit card plan but < 1363458727 902687 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the "everyone is an actor" theory, though < 1363458736 842064 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it wouldn't change the show in my view at all < 1363458746 269475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also here's my latest spam; it's a nice hybrid of both the "40% of $5.6million" *and* the "I am 28 years old and i am Single" approaches: http://sprunge.us/ABRd < 1363458754 271707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I should watch it < 1363458761 355754 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: oh, it was lying? < 1363458778 581340 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: spam, I imagine < 1363458779 415127 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :;) < 1363458779 838222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I like the idea that Channel 4 would send a spaceship into space just to mses with people < 1363458782 649247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote there's more evidence that scammers exist, than that, say, the average Nigerian exists < 1363458787 997083 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :982) there's more evidence that scammers exist, than that, say, the average Nigerian exists < 1363458803 547473 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: so do I < 1363458812 442733 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cool, a yak emailed you < 1363458814 56556 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of a shame the average nigerian isn't named Goodluck, when you think about it. < 1363458840 719879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "Showing results for 'ancient yak'. Search instead for 'ancitt yak'." < 1363458861 753570 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess yet another theory is that the production crew believed that the contestants were gullible < 1363458873 915176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the contestants had actually worked it out and were acting in order to fool the production crew < 1363458893 114445 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that is one weird-ass email < 1363458923 726455 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: what if the contestants knew that the production crew knew that they were pretending that they knew that they knew that the production crew believed that they were pretending it wasn't fake? < 1363458927 908627 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://waronspam.com/dearest-greetings/ hey, Miss Yak has also written to this other guy, and there she says she's 25 years and offers $55.6 million. < 1363458930 839882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and were just pretending that they didn't? < 1363458954 556888 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: well she has to spend the money obviously < 1363458956 874623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that reminds me of a Mafia game I played < 1363458972 240725 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :where I was Mafia and I had a private communication channel with someone else who was also Mafia, but on a different team < 1363459015 614504 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we both knew the other was mafia, but were pretending not to, and we both knew the other knew we were Mafia, but we won because I managed to fool the other person into thinking I didn't realise he knew I knew he was Mafia < 1363459036 470849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1363459039 682965 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: actually, something that annoys and confuses me: you know those dating adverts where they tell you about people in your local area who want to meet you? < 1363459045 842209 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, that's ridiculous < 1363459050 287542 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've occasionally seen two, on the same page, different names but the same photo < 1363459083 754643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: It would be extra work to avoid that. < 1363459086 845233 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, the best i've done is win Bullshit by lying when i didn't have to. < 1363459111 243341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: yeah but it rather ruins the impression that the adverts are trying to give < 1363459130 461864 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the best game is kilgame < 1363459177 398791 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :My other address seems to have gotten mostly SEO and "cheap Facebook likes" spams now. < 1363459202 88409 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Facebook likes are "Manually Promoted by experts not bots/software involved". < 1363459212 342595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Do you sell any Facebook likes? < 1363459212 943218 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i also agree with riastradh high ( or one might call it low/ deep level) stand. and there's no agora war ( between the vertices 12 and 14? < 1363459256 62038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The SEO offer says they'll have "100 EDU Backlinks" and "15 PR 5-8 Web 2.0 Profile Backlinks". < 1363459263 282825 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanl is the fast one rigth < 1363459266 35535 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hel < 1363459266 500903 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :p < 1363459275 689229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's the same company that's also selling the Facebook likes. < 1363459339 587450 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Subject: We send the Ph.D and College certificate to all countries, bay today qualitatively, not expensively" < 1363459343 650561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll certainly bay today. < 1363459367 254456 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :qualitatively or expensively? < 1363459398 478012 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I usually bay qualitatively. < 1363459436 876941 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello Fizzie, Just change your style depending on your mood: the past you were a commerce lady, now you just want to wear jeans and a top and tomorrow you require to dress up for an vital banquet." < 1363459440 873027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think I've ever been "a commerce lady". (Is that slang for a prostitute?) < 1363459494 495213 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello! My name is Tanya , I am lonely russian woman from Ulyanovsk." < 1363459500 586257 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you should bring up that mafia game the next time someone posts one of those "there are n people; you tell them something that triggers one of their customs and after n days something bad happens" puzzles < 1363459502 214583 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice place < 1363459517 214435 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got two other Tanyas in my spam folder < 1363459538 196341 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I think I figured those puzzles out < 1363459543 299802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: scanl is pretty fast i think, as long as you consume the list in order < 1363459556 117968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right. and scanr isthe inefficient one? < 1363459558 86507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src scanl < 1363459558 667659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanl f q ls = q : case ls of < 1363459558 817649 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [] -> [] < 1363459558 817845 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : x:xs -> scanl f (f q x) xs < 1363459558 817954 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src scanr < 1363459559 311444 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanr _ q0 [] = [q0] < 1363459559 461037 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :scanr f q0 (x:xs) = f x q : qs < 1363459560 614010 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : where qs@(q:_) = scanr f q0 xs < 1363459601 693225 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is that although you know that there are either 50 or 49 people in a particular state, you don't know whether the other people agree with you, or believe it's 49 or 48, and those people must be wondering about the (incorrect) possibility that you're believing it's 48 or 47, and so on down to 0 < 1363459608 448988 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363459610 433302 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so there's a day's delay for each level of indirection < 1363459614 626069 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the blue eyed island puzzle? < 1363459618 32038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1363459621 808727 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or various variants of it < 1363459622 788102 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good puzzle < 1363459742 727748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know about inefficient, i suspect they have similarities to foldl and foldr so it all depends on the strictness of the combining function? < 1363459785 215138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC it's kind of dual < 1363459789 461050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, you usually want foldr and scanl < 1363459797 250611 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also scanl1 is total. < 1363459828 421220 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well scanl gives you the resulting list elements quickly if the combining function is strict < 1363459847 384888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i suspect scanr will be the other way around? < 1363459886 185061 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is, _neither_ necessarily needs to go to the end of the list to produce anything, but scanl always produces the first element fast < 1363459901 529188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :while scanr needs the combining function to be lazy < 1363459916 810457 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr f x [1..10] :: Expr < 1363459918 389999 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `Debug.SimpleReflect.Expr.Expr' < 1363459918 539913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : w... < 1363459927 622345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now what < 1363459930 814382 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t scanr < 1363459932 357550 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b -> b) -> b -> [a] -> [b] < 1363459950 509426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr f x [1..10] :: [Expr] < 1363459952 137577 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [f 1 (f 2 (f 3 (f 4 (f 5 (f 6 (f 7 (f 8 (f 9 (f 10 x))))))))),f 2 (f 3 (f 4... < 1363459977 671323 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr f x [1..3] :: [Expr] < 1363459977 835662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's perfectly well defined even for an infinite list if f is lazy < 1363459979 160014 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [f 1 (f 2 (f 3 x)),f 2 (f 3 x),f 3 x,x] < 1363460005 851666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, lazy productive) < 1363460020 731939 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and f not only has to be lazy, but also capable of returning a result without investigating its second argument, at some point < 1363460039 130702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: ... < 1363460046 986274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you aware of the definition of non-strictness? < 1363460058 985856 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah but it has to look at at least one of its arguments < 1363460063 610702 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be interesting < 1363460076 587403 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my point is that it has to be lazy in the second argument in particular < 1363460104 399651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: I think I figured those puzzles out <-- i meant bringing them up to the people who inevitably say those puzzles are nonsense in practice < 1363460167 157910 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: all sorts of things get people saying that about them < 1363460190 662116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it wasn't a that in-practice situation, only non-game situation I can think of where that might happen is international diplomacy < 1363460233 747682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about business? < 1363460247 923768 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate f 0 < 1363460249 673972 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraints: < 1363460249 836262 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Num.Num a0) < 1363460249 985986 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a... < 1363460250 856070 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, I guess that's similar < 1363460253 591309 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (f x) 0 < 1363460253 748501 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: something about them being the same thing < 1363460255 608715 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraints: < 1363460255 758475 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Num.Num a0) < 1363460255 758558 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a... < 1363460262 986160 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate (f x) 0 :: [Expr] < 1363460265 467585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,f x 0,f x (f x 0),f x (f x (f x 0)),f x (f x (f x (f x 0))),f x (f x (f ... < 1363460308 609805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> scanr const undefined [1..] < 1363460310 124487 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28... < 1363460319 75141 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363460406 301523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> iterate f (0 :: Expr) :: [Expr] < 1363460408 176257 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,f 0,f (f 0),f (f (f 0)),f (f (f (f 0))),f (f (f (f (f 0)))),f (f (f (f (... < 1363460437 721082 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: ambiguity means "please add type annotation so I can guess which type you are trying to use" < 1363460504 446333 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get that < 1363460506 812804 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(unless you're using lens which is ridiculous) < 1363460522 929432 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(actually, even if you're using lens) < 1363460540 7087 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> [1,2,3] ^. traverse < 1363460541 831042 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ambiguous type variable `a0' in the constraints: < 1363460541 998129 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Num.Num a0) < 1363460542 148152 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : a... < 1363460551 245416 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> views traverse Sum [1,2,3] < 1363460553 768960 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Sum {getSum = 6} < 1363460632 292818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow it disturbs me that Taneb already understands haskell this well :P < 1363460654 169362 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hasn't it been like a year since he started learning < 1363460660 829905 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, Haskell is what I waste all my time with < 1363460684 220019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i'm not used to him having been around here for that long yet < 1363460689 416087 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: hmm… there are more distinctions than just "lazy" and "strict", I think < 1363460710 403270 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine a function that's strict in both arguments but doesn't evaluate the second argument until after it's finished processing the first < 1363460718 802037 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this distinction doesn't matter in Haskell, but it's important in languages like Verity < 1363460768 255785 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you contemplating dangerous hybrids of Strict and Lazy? < 1363460788 561769 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, and I didn't really have much imperative coding background < 1363460803 544395 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, AND I had been messing with lambda calculus before I switched to Haskell < 1363460811 762739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: even seq doesn't guarantee it with ghc, so they had to add pseq which does < 1363460851 580404 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that helps. i'd been doing unlambda... < 1363460851 895757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh right, I forgot about seq < 1363460880 683531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: anyway, upshot is I can mentally consider a function as lazy even if it's strict in every argument < 1363460885 489725 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq makes things strict, but still doesn't guarantee any order of strictness < 1363460904 404567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you are just providing more data for hypothesis "ais523 is crazy" < 1363460919 454744 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no, your mind's been warped by Haskell < 1363460923 959344 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :into not considering details that Haskell elides out < 1363460958 220334 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION is perfectly well accustomed with different evaluation orders and purities tyvm < 1363461035 907527 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, is Space Cadets a good show? < 1363461046 930466 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :seq is like a binder < 1363461058 499471 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: not really; I enjoyed it but I'm not sure I'd recommend it to everyone < 1363461063 659914 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it worked better live < 1363461073 708767 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because everyone was hoping the whole thing would collapse < 1363461106 118252 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, binder as in things you put papers in, or binder as in things to aid biological females appear male < 1363461112 226326 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or binder in a third sense < 1363461120 445689 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: third sense, I think < 1363461143 21814 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :binder as in something that combines a function and arguments < 1363461147 606405 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It takes two things and joins them into one thing < 1363461151 302852 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not a good definition, but that sort of thing) < 1363461176 134591 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking a binder for thunks maybe? < 1363461680 696813 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: the lack of order guarantees i mentioned means it is dangerous to think of it as any _specific_ thunk composition. thunks are an implementation strategy, which ghc generally tries to optimize away or move around whenever the _actual_ language semantics don't require them. < 1363461732 940425 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the official definition of seq is that seq "bottom" x = bottom, seq non-bottom x = x < 1363461799 429972 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363461830 286901 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That definition of binder is nothing like the previous two! < 1363461952 755943 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just seen on Tumblr: < 1363461969 922287 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Aren't we /all / internet explorers?" < 1363461983 848852 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"...do you mean we run slow and people don't like us?" < 1363461984 708753 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the NeXT was in you all along < 1363461992 195651 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"That's exactly what we are" < 1363461998 172930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suddenly realizes that "binders" in english doesn't mean paper clip, and wonders how it got borrowed into norwegian meaning that < 1363462110 332856 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://homestuck.bandcamp.com/track/hardlyquin-2 -- oerjan's current emotional state in Homestuck music < 1363462133 264648 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it has a very vaguely similar meaning < 1363462138 517680 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, this is educational, kind of < 1363462149 854662 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: what, the program, are you watching it? < 1363462159 359038 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in what way do you find it entertaining? < 1363462184 930444 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's showing something they're calling the 'jar test', to measure whether the contestants are likely to conform < 1363462275 307272 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've been wondering if that test actualyl works < 1363462277 705688 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*actually < 1363462295 77972 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should just submit everybody to milgram to traumatize them < 1363462366 667886 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: DINNER < 1363462378 516859 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363462544 521227 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : What is the Curry-Howard of quantum logic? < 1363462614 164664 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i once found something called basic logic which is apparently a subset of quantum logic and can be given a curry-howard interpretation with continuations. but i never managed to see a meaningful interpretation of the orthomodular law. < 1363462761 489690 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was basically a substructural sequent logic < 1363462808 934467 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was also a subset of linear logic < 1363462815 60593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um OBVIOUSLY you need a quantum computer < 1363462817 573156 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum lambda calculus < 1363462836 839248 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum logic isn't obviously directly related to quantum computers < 1363462846 72333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan. oerjan i was kidding < 1363462847 177834 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :higher-order functions and quantum computers don't obviously mix < 1363462861 340763 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the logic of hilbert space projections < 1363462870 972617 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :quantum computers don't really understand control flow, and higher order functions act like control flow operators < 1363462880 814223 :ogrom!~del@143.122.191.90.dyn.estpak.ee QUIT :Quit: Left < 1363462891 413841 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't understand control flow, either < 1363462940 499115 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe one should first ask "what is the curry-howard correspondence of reversible computing" < 1363463172 792823 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :^bf +++++++++++++[>+++++>+++>+>++++++<<<<-]>>>+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.<------.>++++++++.<<++++++++++++++.------------.>>++++++++++++++++.>+++++++++++.<----.-----------.<<-----------------------------------.>>>+++++++++++++++.++++++++++++.<<<+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>>>--------.<-------.<-----------------------.++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++.>>----.++++++++ < 1363463172 942351 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :. (exists n:nat, P(n)) < 1363465314 731667 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Axiom of Markogorov. < 1363465314 881317 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er *forall P:nat->Prop, < 1363465356 816594 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should be glad none of us is close enough to collect on your bets. except Taneb who cannot because it would destroy the universe. wait that's just a plot you've made to keep Taneb from collecting on your bets isn't it. < 1363465371 665350 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the original proof of Gödel's incompleteness theorem worked by abusing that < 1363465381 68756 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brinkmanship at its finest < 1363465395 453704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: omega consistency < 1363465397 160489 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: well gödel's proof was classical, was it not < 1363465434 703075 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except hm < 1363465437 435234 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hmm... I'm pretty sure I'm thinking of something with a different name, but it seems related < 1363465462 385761 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :omega consistency is classical so... < 1363465491 819127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION wonders if Wikipedia has a list of axioms... < 1363465500 989601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and not really an axiom i guess < 1363465520 338687 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh I forgot to mention that P must be decidable, iirc. and the idea behind the axiom is that you can just go through all naturals n until you find one that satisfies P < 1363465530 417414 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the trick being, you can't prove that loop halts without an axiom < 1363465613 905895 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right. it sounds like it's _in spirit_ the same as omega consistency translated to constructivism. < 1363466083 484262 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363466275 52184 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363466300 485572 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363466558 409323 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363467242 860315 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tempted to redefine Numberwang with unknown specification and a closed-source reference implementation < 1363467533 572309 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363467559 625515 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363467954 581190 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, thank you for introducing me to this show < 1363467977 122047 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, what would you recommend I do to become an EVEN BETTER HASKELL PROGRAMMMER < 1363468412 524695 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :refactor all your programs to do their computation in the type system. < 1363468558 569422 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363468657 970660 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1363469338 437743 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1363470255 90894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i feel like i should warn you that i am considering proving your underload reductions to work in coq. there may be questions. < 1363470386 766322 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT : < 1363470426 223216 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh < 1363470459 176477 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good luck < 1363470506 100789 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i've found bugs in those sections before. but given that the constructed programs actually ran, i'm not _overly_ nervous :P < 1363470543 174970 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's as much for want to something to do in coq than anything else. < 1363470557 205541 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I am also poking around at trying to prove the halting problem for the untyped lambda calculus. < 1363470571 927254 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the main issue seems to be teaching it about the untyped lambda calculus.) < 1363470583 462282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1363470618 448184 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363470718 528312 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: aha, I found it! < 1363470719 658572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markov's_principle < 1363470774 649987 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363470778 984783 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1363470962 528064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what you "lose" by adding that principle. < 1363470988 695521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you can prove (~forall n, ~P(n)) for decidable P while there still being an argument to be made that there isn't "actually" an n that satisfies it < 1363471009 280785 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and that possibly the algorithm that loops through all n will never find one somehow...?) < 1363471051 165209 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how do you define "decidable", here? < 1363471136 699651 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the standard way? forall n, P(n) \/ ~P(n) < 1363471167 841896 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. there is an algorithm that proves either P(n) or ~P(n) for any given n. but of course it gets trickier: that algorithm may itself invoke Markov's principle... < 1363471168 508148 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so the axiom is basically defining what "forall" means, I think < 1363471179 216929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :err... I don't agree < 1363471191 965704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is only about P : nat -> Prop, after all < 1363471658 450664 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1363471811 610611 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363471821 553495 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1363472139 636879 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363472163 342290 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363472379 879550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coq really needs hoogle. < 1363472382 732865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :coogle. < 1363472603 343285 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1363472901 811489 :wareya!~wareya@cpe-67-248-121-45.nycap.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1363473053 651724 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.177.19.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363474360 950255 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363474397 625325 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1363474475 492129 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363474669 464560 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...there's a Hexham Annual Town Meeting?! < 1363474762 975208 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: but you and elliott can't both attend it < 1363474775 671892 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Luckily, elliott can't go outside < 1363474779 147160 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I don't really care < 1363474811 177609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love the stupidity of browser agent strings < 1363474830 411520 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Almost every browser claims it is Mozilla. < 1363474847 830704 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Webkit points out it is KHTML even though it has come a long way from that. < 1363474857 187125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Chrome mentions Safari in the string < 1363474883 367632 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And IE? < 1363474898 137245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, well I don't have one to check with, but at least it claims it is Mozilla < 1363474905 613940 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My current browser says: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.22 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/25.0.1364.160 Safari/537.22 < 1363474905 918372 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :IE claims it's mozilla too < 1363474913 5092 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And... lynx? < 1363474923 115416 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I wonder if interesting things happen if you increase your criteria for evidence of a proposition. like, a constructive proof of (exists n, ...) gives you a concrete n, but it might take longer than the age of the universe to compute. what if you required the constructions to not just be computable, but computable with e.g. certain asymptotic bounds? < 1363474923 411391 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think lynx claims that < 1363474930 142029 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dunno, don't have lynx installed < 1363474931 504919 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whenever I want to say something crazy I just add "oerjan:" to the start) < 1363474932 539171 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is just a massive clusterfuck < 1363474952 978156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you actually want to know the browser (for statistics or whatever) you need advanced parsing < 1363474965 849367 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :links2 says it's Links (2.7; Linux 3.7.10-1-ARCH x86_64; GNU C 4.7.1; x) < 1363475072 238151 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should look at the bellantoni-cook polytime functions < 1363475096 306842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yikes, no wikipedia page. this is going to be fun. < 1363475115 75452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION was almost hoping for "that's completely stupid." < 1363475116 50855 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, that one is straight forward < 1363475122 439473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, unlike anything else < 1363475124 881230 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been a long time since i read about it < 1363475132 387588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh this looks interesting. < 1363475134 63603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well okay, wget, googlebot and such are straight forward too < 1363475140 254934 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably w3m and lynx as well < 1363475147 653477 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but any major GUI browser? Nope. < 1363475168 744824 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera's fairly sane. < 1363475174 519073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, really? < 1363475202 953263 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Opera/9.80 (Windows NT 6.0) Presto/2.12.388 Version/12.11 < 1363475204 644379 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :An example. < 1363475216 252908 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm nice < 1363475218 888889 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the trick there is that nothing supports opera anyway < 1363475223 204084 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, I have to say that Chrome is especially insane, Mozilla, Webkit, KHTML, Gecko, Chrome, Safari < 1363475231 803045 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Opera/9.80 at the start because some idiotic comparators think Opera/10 < Opera/9 < 1363475241 330479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, lol < 1363475243 542700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oh and of course primitive recursion is a similar, simpler thing < 1363475248 747780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: right of course < 1363475270 320536 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Firefox claims it's Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/19.0 < 1363475278 63493 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is reasonable, since it is Mozilla's descendant < 1363475289 799470 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It actually literally is Mozilla, so yeah. < 1363475297 69813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, okay, it gets away with it < 1363475307 636700 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No lies there at all. < 1363475311 384978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, anything else that claims it is Mozilla doesn't however < 1363475315 965692 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Mozilla/5.0 kinda is. < 1363475318 836543 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, it is still not Mozilla 5 < 1363475319 386941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and istr there was another variation that gave logspace complexity < 1363475319 615307 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1363475336 47458 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: seamonkey? < 1363475341 112551 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Of course, strictly speaking the Mozilla there does not refer to the Mozilla browser at all. < 1363475354 351457 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I am interested in what it means from a logical POV... as in, to get constructivity, we discard LEM; to get "linear-time constructivity" or "exponential-time constructivity" or whatever, what gets dropped? presumably induction gets weakened somehow... < 1363475356 954464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, uh, I heard of it, but don't really know what makes it special < 1363475363 652999 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq, oh? < 1363475365 657788 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But rather the 5th revision of the Mozilla project. The 4th of which was Netscape 4. < 1363475368 445967 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's basically a modern Netscape < 1363475380 884491 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, oh, who made it? < 1363475389 222080 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla < 1363475395 764067 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why, they have firefox < 1363475397 416429 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd 82 is weird < 1363475401 412223 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a fork of the Mozilla monolithic browser. < 1363475408 711639 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1363475412 136642 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :who would want that < 1363475412 957635 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's now an external project, using Gecko. < 1363475438 325288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people like having an email client, html editor and stuff built in =P < 1363475453 339618 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1363475456 33233 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd be amused if it's less resource-heavy than Firefox. < 1363475460 644866 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which it could be... < 1363475465 569288 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess seamonkey split off < 1363475472 334858 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it originally was a Mozilla project < 1363475490 797004 :pikhq!~pikhq@75-163-219-9.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The name "Seamonkey" was introduced when it split off. < 1363475493 394814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: just apply curry-howard hth < 1363475501 171314 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, "The Mozilla Foundation provides hosting and legal backing for the SeaMonkey Project. " < 1363475517 109300 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh. thank's. < 1363475527 733464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull, but probably not developers < 1363475545 426766 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or financial stuff < 1363475571 731815 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Used to < 1363475577 517736 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1363475593 399576 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, doesn't IE put the .NET version in the header too? < 1363475595 267823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1363475599 118125 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I seem to remember that < 1363475609 924917 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or was it even in the user agent? < 1363475635 844539 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it used to but doesn't anymore? < 1363475639 907082 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe still does < 1363475670 486827 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363475729 403070 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363475842 920238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1363476105 488335 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363477188 550999 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1363477374 600519 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1363477899 992256 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah, it's way too late to listen to SPJ's soothing voice < 1363477931 970950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um bedtime reading < 1363477956 838670 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how loudly do you usually listen to SPJ? < 1363478013 846346 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1363478167 417748 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1363478183 300364 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Loud enough for my dad to tell me to turn it off apparently < 1363478225 737121 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :headbang to SPJ < 1363478245 389883 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :^list < 1363478245 539443 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1363478253 968569 :Taneb!~nathan@host-78-148-13-114.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1363478315 149963 :azaq23!~derivecto@unaffiliated/azaq23 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1363478423 523351 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops, sorry < 1363478483 646977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :???? < 1363478573 587153 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's Sgeo, I'm sure he's done enough that he's allowed to apologise any time he likes < 1363478635 513293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not a lawful good comment, ais523 < 1363478686 59375 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1363478735 829853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: you have broken ais523's alignment, you should apologize < 1363478786 228107 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ais523 < 1363478791 607068 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agent “Iä” Smith is an alien with a strange allergy to avian body covering, which he is trying to retroactively prevent from ever evolving. On the 3rd of March, he's lawful good. < 1363478797 24489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it March 3? < 1363478815 347964 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :on some dates, yes < 1363478823 175850 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1363478831 977171 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote is it March 3? on some dates, yes < 1363478836 78762 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :983) is it March 3? on some dates, yes < 1363478840 491416 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're american, living anywhere that isn't america, and use modular dates < 1363478847 989623 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modular dates? < 1363478876 603089 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that wisdom may not be entirely accurate, i thought that latest addition was a bit fishy < 1363478891 655572 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :each number in the date is modulo whatever the number of things you can have in that field < 1363478908 113557 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :however, note it doesn't say you're _only_ lawful good on the 3rd of march. < 1363478921 875512 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exception proves the rule < 1363478929 6510 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, for not doing ^list sooner < 1363478946 7872 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't say that it only applies for the 3rd of march either < 1363478961 154527 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(can you have more than one alignment?) < 1363479025 401268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course not. < 1363479073 755939 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a Dissociative Alignment Disorder in play < 1363479103 433463 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1363479175 166868 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1363479567 130182 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1363479570 444680 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hussie is just trolling now < 1363479594 218697 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :istr getting really annoyed at 'hussie is trolling' theories back in the day < 1363479599 210337 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now i can believe it < 1363479639 580341 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was obvious when he dumped in the troll thing for no reason a second time < 1363479653 821573 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1363479667 972870 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there were obviously a few times he was pulling the fandom's collective leg < 1363479670 500707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, you don't want to learn about leprechauns? < 1363479695 865728 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he's very clearly been trolling since day one < 1363479699 883550 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :or two < 1363479706 908393 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo two < 1363479707 79148 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.mspaintadventures.com/?s=6&p=001902 < 1363479723 309252 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1363479723 687636 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: The charms thing doesn't seem like trolling to me < 1363479732 692896 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg Lymia < 1363479735 306791 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hii~ < 1363479737 655974 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :leprechauning < 1363479743 402215 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome lymia < 1363479746 869839 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​11lymia:07 12Welc04ome to the i06nternati02o03nal hub for esot12er13ic 07pro07gramming l11anguag08e des09ign and 09deployment! For 12more informatio06n, check12 08out our w11iki: http://e06so08la08ngs.org/wiki/Mai04n_Page07.09 (Fo05r t04he other 03kind of es10oterica, try03 05#e10s06oteric o12n ir03c.dal.net.) < 1363479747 54938 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zoosmell is actually a reference to his earlier work < 1363479750 786302 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that's the sort of trolling thingy i never liked < 1363479750 963204 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Really? It doesn't seem like he's making fun of the readership's obsession with troll romance? < 1363479754 473322 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh great, everyone is ms paint adventures < 1363479759 881068 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: everyone. < 1363479763 942045 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.andrewhussie.com/comic.php?sec=archive&auth=Blurbs&blurb=zs&cid=blurbs/00096-zs.gif < 1363479764 662563 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is no hope < 1363479772 532953 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: it's even on topic. ~ATH is totally an esoteric language < 1363479784 252075 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey that guy looks like john's dad < 1363479786 111619 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, you're our last hope < 1363479792 184068 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :break the equilibrium < 1363479803 395090 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, hi! I'm pretty sure I've been here longer than you! You're not in my logs. From a long time ago. o-o < 1363479812 52196 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION has no idea why she decided to leave, or why she decided to come back, but. o-o < 1363479815 679003 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello Lymia < 1363479817 245526 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, what happened D: < 1363479822 135818 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how confrontative that sounds < 1363479823 853703 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you secretly elliott? < 1363479825 997588 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia: I'm not sure `welcome has ever been used to actually welcome anybody. < 1363479832 134185 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let alone `relcome. < 1363479835 433698 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WELCOME Bike < 1363479838 236795 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :BIKE: WELCOME TO THE INTERNATIONAL HUB FOR ESOTERIC PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE DESIGN AND DEPLOYMENT! FOR MORE INFORMATION, CHECK OUT OUR WIKI: HTTP://ESOLANGS.ORG/WIKI/MAIN_PAGE. (FOR THE OTHER KIND OF ESOTERICA, TRY #ESOTERIC ON IRC.DAL.NET.) < 1363479838 775087 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hey Bike! i've been here longer than you so WATCH YOURSELF" < 1363479842 955096 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I'm new. Thanks for the intro elliott. < 1363479853 458488 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have an infinite supply of welcomingness < 1363479855 677417 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey that link is broken though. Where is this wiki? Is it down? < 1363479856 577658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`wehlcohme elliott < 1363479857 825794 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it should count as a welcome even if you don't stay < 1363479858 779046 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ehlliohtt: Wehlcohme to the ihntehrnahtiohnahl huhb fohr ehsohtehrihc prohgrahmmihng lahnguahge dehsihgn ahnd dehployhmehnt! Fohr mohre ihnfohrmahtiohn, chehck ouht ouhr wihki: http://ehsohlahngs.ohrg/wihki/Maihn_Pahge. (Fohr the ohthehr kihnd ohf ehsohtehrihca, try #ehsohtehrihc ohn ihrc.dahl.neht.) < 1363479867 719262 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god. < 1363479867 869243 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: unfortunately the uppercase wiki has yet to be fully realised < 1363479870 484924 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is so confusing. < 1363479875 349144 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lymia, (there was an explosion in `welcome commands) < 1363479877 457435 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do we have so many variants of the welcome script < 1363479878 414873 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-o < 1363479884 589718 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because it's "funny". < 1363479897 995818 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's actually very unixy too! < 1363479904 51767 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/wehlcohme < 1363479904 201278 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we also had like 10 different list scripts but that's had a stop put to it now < 1363479905 414683 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome "$@" | h < 1363479917 602278 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "this is a test!" | h < 1363479919 262800 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :thihs ihs a tehst! < 1363479923 51253 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The most welcoming channel on Freenode. You have been warned. | #esoteric is supposed to be about esoteric programming languages, but is really a couple of dozen people being weird | Newsflash: fungot has been writing spam for money. | Logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1363479926 453399 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Composable, small, useful utilities. < 1363479926 701538 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/h < 1363479928 616794 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig < 1363479938 758833 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On IRC for some reason. < 1363479969 519939 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote being weird < 1363479971 931728 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363479992 128347 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :All we need now is a translation to Lojban and Japanese o-o! < 1363479999 698449 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that was just something taneb put in the topic. < 1363480005 317718 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wasn't lojban verboten or something < 1363480014 909361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't we have japanese < 1363480021 687663 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`välkommen < 1363480023 816237 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: välkommen: not found < 1363480029 124732 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`witam < 1363480031 23638 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: witam: not found < 1363480037 364956 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin < 1363480039 305618 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just going to draw the line here < 1363480040 127944 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? \ @ \ WELCOME \ addquote \ allquotes \ anonlog \ aseen \ botsnack \ bseen \ calc \ CaT \ colorize \ define \ delquote \ emmental \ emoclew \ etymology \ forget \ fortune \ frink \ fueue \ gaseen \ google \ h \ ?h \ h! \ hatesgeo \ ?hh \ hyfinate \ hyphenate.fi \ interp \ joustreport \ jousturl \ js \ json \ karma \ karma- \ karma < 1363480048 628843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/CaT < 1363480050 647939 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/usr/bin/env python \ print (lambda s: "".join([(s[i].upper() if i%2==0 else s[i].lower()) for i in range(len(s)) ]))(open("/dev/stdin").read()) < 1363480055 459293 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i will not allow swedish welcome while i draw breath < 1363480055 641223 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1363480058 20257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1363480061 486839 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`youkoso < 1363480062 416145 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmm... no. < 1363480067 349002 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :pfft < 1363480068 924424 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :snort, what < 1363480070 53684 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`list < 1363480072 576203 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: I think there was one < 1363480074 367994 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot metasepia monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb < 1363480090 703265 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what happens when the `list gets too long??) < 1363480092 676231 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :`What is < 1363480093 523335 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmm... no. < 1363480096 95973 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :SUPREME_BUTT_SUI < 1363480103 910302 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :That does not sound nice. < 1363480105 17786 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's self explanatory, lymia < 1363480119 491892 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the supreme sui of the butt < 1363480126 689260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quine Hi Lymia < 1363480129 876033 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​`quine Hi Lymia < 1363480235 400141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/*ä* < 1363480237 31203 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access bin/*ä*: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access bin/*ä*: No such file or directory < 1363480278 974682 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/v?lk* < 1363480280 454159 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access bin/v?lk*: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access bin/v?lk*: No such file or directory < 1363480283 876930 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`ls bin/v*lk* < 1363480285 594976 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access bin/v*lk*: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access bin/v*lk*: No such file or directory < 1363480290 5454 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*ä* < 1363480291 821630 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access bin/*ä*: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access bin/*ä*: No such file or directory < 1363480299 140519 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god am i bad at shell or what < 1363480306 785055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1363480312 806987 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/v*lk* < 1363480314 441643 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access bin/v*lk*: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access bin/v*lk*: No such file or directory < 1363480319 469328 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1363480337 729268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/ls < 1363480339 156884 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ if /bin/ls -id "$@" | grep -q ^752131 ; then echo 'As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.'; else exec /bin/ls "$@"; fi < 1363480344 438926 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bin/w* < 1363480346 424756 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/wehlcohme bin/welcome bin/wl bin/word bin/words bin/wtf < 1363480354 694673 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo bin/v* < 1363480356 994117 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/v* < 1363480374 912804 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i totally forgot about that horrid hack < 1363480394 612369 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it appears that it duplicates the error messages < 1363480688 673302 :augur!~augur@c-68-34-26-189.hsd1.md.comcast.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1363480778 376938 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Quit: ragequit < 1363480993 927796 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust < 1363480994 182791 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Use: !bfjoust . Scoreboard, programs, and a description of score calculation are at http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/ < 1363481005 137551 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that, like < 1363481007 162766 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still running o-o < 1363481022 421033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :people play it every now and then amidst periods of inactivity < 1363481056 348120 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also why is codu down) < 1363481077 164705 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh weird < 1363481082 744554 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell gregor httpd on codu.org is broken < 1363481083 355326 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1363481451 253452 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bleh. < 1363481456 720854 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the bfjoust interpreter link is 404'd < 1363481459 284896 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Stupid link rot :( < 1363481485 672341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/egojsout/egojsout.html is the one most people use, but it's down of course < 1363481492 339325 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really? it worked last i checked, i think that's just codu being down < 1363481495 234366 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :which link is 404'd? < 1363481517 50215 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The link's 'ais523's interpreter for his revised version' < 1363481528 153262 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :blech, not bfjoust! < 1363481687 193204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hmm < 1363481702 80467 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell ais523 looks like we shouldn't link to sprunge from the wiki; your BF Joust interpreter has disappeared < 1363481702 593947 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@74.207.243.105 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1363481739 719765 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anybody have a copy? :p < 1363481759 381845 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might want to use fizzie's interpreter (which he probably has a link to), like HackEgo does. < 1363481770 914088 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, http://git.zem.fi/ has it < 1363481838 305380 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :chainlance? < 1363481940 11135 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJxLSm41hUk&feature=player_embedded < 1363481954 268823 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are... < 1363481961 31414 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three interepters in there o-o < 1363482019 396920 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :And /wtf/ is header.asm for < 1363482103 210282 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you have a dump of the current hill? >_< < 1363482123 651021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :alas no < 1363482151 978936 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :header.asm is because chainlance compiles the warriors to machine code iirc < 1363482158 823593 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think gearlance is what hackego uses < 1363482207 506199 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow. < 1363482214 474541 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chainlance, in fact, does JIT... < 1363482258 235057 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it almost makes sense with the 100K+ programs that are fashionable :P < 1363482338 661463 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :.. < 1363482353 77355 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extreme loop unrolling or something/ < 1363482362 217665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :partial code generation, mainly < 1363482378 586222 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stuff does case analysis to figure out what kind of program it's fighting/tape length/etc. and then proceeds repetitively from there < 1363482435 329160 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :It sounds almost as if there's a case for having a personal tape to avoid huge programs... < 1363482459 262301 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eh. < 1363482464 177922 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's more about saving cycles I think < 1363482466 630428 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I guess that still has runtime cost.. < 1363482467 824478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :since using [] cost you < 1363482857 704478 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stupid < < 1363482868 683147 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stupid: 0.0 < 1363482891 409635 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stupid [+--] < 1363482894 227395 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_stupid: 7.5 < 1363482898 222362 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :..? < 1363482904 422176 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hill's alive but codu.org can't even be pinged? < 1363482943 297278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some traceroute style issues < 1363482947 457526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thingy < 1363483011 700584 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust stupidest >+[[-]>+] < 1363483014 293704 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for FreeFull_stupidest: 5.5 < 1363483060 410791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1363483129 122003 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :!bfjoust even_stupider [[]+] < 1363483132 784180 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​Score for Lymia_even_stupider: 3.6 < 1363483321 148162 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... < 1363483324 465219 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :codu.org is alive... < 1363483328 724487 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :But can't be reached from outside? < 1363483338 568874 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :o-o < 1363483409 331289 :Lymia_!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1363483448 102999 :Lymia_!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/archive/tip.tar.bz2 < 1363483448 423818 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmmmm... no. < 1363483453 489442 :Lymia_!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;< < 1363483468 94222 :Lymia_!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com NICK :NiaVee < 1363483469 596445 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1363483470 103054 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/archive/tip.tar.bz2 < 1363483472 76849 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2013-03-17 01:24:31-- http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/archive/tip.tar.bz2 \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden \ 2013-03-17 01:24:31 ERROR 403: Forbidden. < 1363483509 399794 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/ < 1363483511 172252 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2013-03-17 01:25:10-- http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden \ 2013-03-17 01:25:10 ERROR 403: Forbidden. < 1363483516 641264 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://codu.org/ < 1363483517 990519 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2013-03-17 01:25:17-- http://codu.org/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden \ 2013-03-17 01:25:17 ERROR 403: Forbidden. < 1363483526 110863 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget http://google.com/ < 1363483546 213864 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat index.html < 1363483546 541672 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​--2013-03-17 01:25:34-- http://google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... No data received. \ Retrying. \ \ --2013-03-17 01:25:36-- (try: 2) http://google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... No data received. \ Retrying. \ \ --2 < 1363483547 900136 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1363483727 255035 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls tip* < 1363483728 751170 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/bin/ls: cannot access tip*: No such file or directory \ /bin/ls: cannot access tip*: No such file or directory < 1363483741 97679 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://google.com < 1363483743 96764 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-03-17 01:29:01 URL:http://www.google.com/ [10688] -> "index.html" [1] < 1363483766 718856 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://64.62.173.65/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/archive/tip.tar.bz2 < 1363483767 187590 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363483774 754947 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://64.62.173.65/ < 1363483775 241146 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363483852 274748 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck, oerjan isn't here < 1363483878 590843 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aleph 1 times beth 1 is equal to beth one regardless of the CH, right? < 1363483909 572930 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...yes, yes it is < 1363483930 21906 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i like how i switched from '1' to 'one' there) < 1363484185 523165 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`fetch http://1077849409/ < 1363484186 25695 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1363484196 624418 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No idea if it's a proxy, or if it's a dead webserver even... < 1363484201 45303 :Bike!~Glossina@207-224-22-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1363484224 417030 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat sudo < 1363484225 833007 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cat: sudo: Is a directory < 1363484263 368669 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@cst-prg-8-16.cust.vodafone.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1363484310 688943 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget -v http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/archive/tip.tar.bz2 2>&1 | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us < 1363484313 489858 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current \ Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed \ < 1363484314 595508 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-206-141.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1363484327 547953 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run wget -v http://codu.org/eso/bfjoust/in_egobot.hg/index.cgi/archive/tip.tar.bz2 2>&1 | curl -F 'sprunge=<-' http://sprunge.us > link < 1363484331 469922 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ % Total % Received % Xferd Average Speed Time Time Time Current \ Dload Upload Total Spent Left Speed \ < 1363484334 422589 :NiaVee!~lymia@nenesha.lymiahugs.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run cat link < 1363484335 991112 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​ ERROR: The requested URL could not be retrieved