< 1365655244 33076 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-5d81ee55.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365656074 56780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :▃ ▃ ▅▄▁▂▃ ▃ ▅▄▅▅▃ ▃ ▅▄▁▂▃ ▃ ▅▄▅▅▃ ▃ ▅▄▁▂▃ ▃ ▅▄▅▅▃ ▃ ▅▄▁▂▃ ▃ ▅▄▅ ▆▆▆▆▅▄▄▄▃ ▃ ▃ ▁▂▇▇▇▇▆▅▅▅▃ ▃ ▃ ▁▂▆▆▆▆▅▄▄▄▃ ▃ ▃ ▁▂▇▇▇▇▆▅▅▅▃ ▃ ▃ ▃ < 1365656083 237881 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :r u ok < 1365656086 611784 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1365656100 162677 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you? < 1365656105 458729 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i'm alright < 1365656107 495243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1365656126 87524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey everyone < 1365656129 524966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hichaf < 1365656129 719603 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is an interesting language. do you call it amplitude? < 1365656133 416931 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not so al right.. < 1365656137 996295 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1365656142 437626 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1365656157 747516 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should see a doctor < 1365656161 625208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind < 1365656175 302799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophy?? < 1365656180 605459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinds are there < 1365656194 205866 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nephrologist, opthamologist, gastroenterologist < 1365656794 795099 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Psychologist? < 1365656859 119457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what kind of not all right, i meant, also < 1365657092 532660 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365657106 908149 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Entomologist? < 1365657164 650894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i mostly meant to break up the monotony of social interaction "r u ok" "yep you?" "yeah i'm alright" "cool" with something else. think of it as an art piece < 1365657203 50415 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as it happens i'm also kind of sick recently, but it's getting better mostly, i think < 1365657222 846965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :famous last words < 1365657237 583752 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i have tuberculosis < 1365657249 752447 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear that's up and coming < 1365657310 555366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would suck < 1365657330 408676 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably lupus. < 1365657345 779730 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably. < 1365657477 619182 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c $'import math,encodings\nb=" "+"".join(unichr(c) for c in range(9601,9609))\ns=""\nfor i in range(0,100):\n x=i/5.\n y=math.sin(x)+math.sin(3*x)+math.sin(5*x)\n s+=b[int((y/6+0.5)*len(b))]\nprint encodings.utf_8.encode(s)[0]' < 1365657478 949469 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​▄▆▇▇▅▄▄▅▅▅▄▄▅▇▇▆▃▁▁▂▃▄▃▃▃▃▄▄▂▁▁▃▆▇▇▆▄▄▅▅▅▄▄▅▆▇▇▄▂▁▁▃▄▄▃▃▃▄▄▃▁▁▂▄▇▇▆▅▄▄▅▅▅▄▄▆▇▇▅▃▁▁▂▄▄▃▃▃▃▄▃▂▁▁▃▆▇▇▅▄ < 1365657540 633741 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cute < 1365657575 869340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"cute" -- ⓒ Ⓒ © monqy < 1365657579 932053 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now make it do a square wave. < 1365657585 815816 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Proper-like. < 1365657734 260246 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run python -c $'import math,encodings\nb=" "+"".join(unichr(c) for c in range(9601,9609))\ns=""\nfor i in range(0,100):\n x,y=i/5.,0\n for j in range(1,99,2):\n y+=math.sin(j*x)/j\n s+=b[int((y/6+0.5)*len(b))]\nprint encodings.utf_8.encode(s)[0]' < 1365657735 266107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It looks like OS X v. latest turned off the cups web UI by default. < 1365657735 829214 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​▄▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▅▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▃▅▅▅▅▅ < 1365657810 277412 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, given the sampling rate I think the one harmonic there actually is the whole square wave. < 1365658081 158666 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1365658110 517686 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good for them < 1365658118 219820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: nice < 1365659971 163540 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1365660061 176819 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1365660405 472868 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365660505 450062 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1365660510 735077 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1365660510 970038 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1365660518 272025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1365660522 851081 :shachaf_!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf NICK :shachaf < 1365660603 73686 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1365660793 49184 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1365660992 50981 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1365661091 909437 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365661099 897024 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1365661145 725645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :const unsigned long main[] = { 0xc7e68948c7ffff31, 0x24310f00b195e206, 0xd231f88902460001, 0xe9eb050f03b2 }; < 1365661217 684982 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: main is usually a function < 1365661223 413148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(this is like when they say the title of the film in the film) < 1365661242 985967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that meant to have an rdtsc? < 1365661259 925283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wait. < 1365661268 889056 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it work shachaf < 1365661282 170134 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Works here < 1365661284 122096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know? < 1365661316 26762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it should do the same thing as perl -e 'while(1){print"\xe2\x95".("\xb1","\xb2")[rand 2]}' < 1365661331 381850 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does < 1365661357 555116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems very biased. < 1365661383 609073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, mostly /s, with occasional chunks of mixed /s and \s. < 1365661399 61014 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm blind now, help < 1365661426 382999 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though rdtsc has an 'r' in it, I don't think it returns random numbers. < 1365661568 812853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1365661576 909287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems good enough here < 1365661593 71216 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we do a syscall between rdtsc calls < 1365661621 50632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even so. < 1365661650 143064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :strange < 1365661664 420601 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How small can you make a Linux "yes" executable? < 1365661666 848318 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using the timing between things to generate random bits? < 1365661742 758357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: do you mean the size of the whole ELF file, or do you allow some other exe formats, or do you mean only the instructions < 1365661745 628248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the former, see http://www.muppetlabs.com/~breadbox/software/tiny/teensy.html < 1365661749 671638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah < 1365661755 715544 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh. that's a cool trick < 1365661760 223453 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/JBJW -- sure, that *could* be the output of an unbiased rng, but on this box it seems to have a larger than expected number of runs of alternating 0s and 1s. < 1365661773 235772 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1365661779 495552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's say just the size of the instructions. < 1365661809 279509 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe for better randomness you could, like, sum a bunch of rdtsc results and pick the low bit? < 1365661812 114492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: that's interesting < 1365661819 86710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er i meant < 1365661821 633524 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's interesting < 1365661825 983837 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :SORRY FIORA < 1365661831 764376 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-_- < 1365661831 958607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah, I wanted to keep it as small as possible though :) < 1365661843 469121 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what other terrible things you could use for entropy < 1365661850 282557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: mooz's Befunge-93 interpreter on the TI-86 used the Z80's R register (some sort of a RAM refresh counter) to implement ?. < 1365661878 150644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that was a common ti calc trick < 1365661885 651490 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"timing between things" in general is I guess what mostly feeds /dev/random's pool. < 1365661909 984030 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the galaksija uses the R register as a framebuffer pointer during the video routine < 1365661927 286704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and just executes garbage instructions (which also happen to be string literals for the BASIC interpreter, gotta use those bytes!) < 1365661948 233456 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I'm happy if my maze program gives different, weird results on different machines < 1365661967 324370 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Hunt the Wumpus Befunge port quite often ended up having a long run of being unable to create the dungeon. < 1365661972 894623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it makes people go blind? < 1365662057 150605 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope not < 1365662060 220736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems p. unlikely < 1365662069 275802 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://codepad.org/FghOek0i am I missing something and not using the least significant bit? < 1365662112 400817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe some other bit is actually more random < 1365662140 790297 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if you have invariant TSC and your CPU clocks down to an fraction of half of the top speed < 1365662143 674568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an fraction < 1365662155 42821 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see where i'm going with this < 1365662160 745408 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :would that affect the randomness of the low bit? < 1365662179 422767 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :movl $0xb195e2, (%rsi) what does this do o_O < 1365662200 118205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :stores that 32-bit constant at the address in %rsi < 1365662203 310362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably related to that codepoint it prints out? < 1365662207 151130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those aren't /s. < 1365662208 983713 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but like, why? < 1365662216 480022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the UTF-8 encoding for one of the characters < 1365662219 971258 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh < 1365662220 787509 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :backwards < 1365662225 852448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I missed the context of your question < 1365662238 639082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if rdtscp would be better. < 1365662240 449441 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't sure if you were objecting to AT&T syntax (which would be p. valid) < 1365662247 481634 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh! sorry, I wasn't < 1365662257 845320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm more used to AT&T syntax than Intel syntax. :-( < 1365662261 219570 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that make me a bad person < 1365662289 404769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too :/ < 1365662308 214142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :geez having more experience with one syntax than another doesn't make you a bad person... XD < 1365662346 749379 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway time to tweet this (that's the cool way to distribute c programs) and then sleep < 1365662405 361999 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnighties < 1365662428 304759 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`gccrun 'const unsigned long main[] = { 0xc7e68948c7ffff31, 0x24310f00b195e206, 0xd231f88902460001, 0xe9eb050f03b2 };' < 1365662436 309928 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: gccrun: not found < 1365662453 857301 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'const unsigned long main[] = { 0xc7e68948c7ffff31, 0x24310f00b195e206, 0xd231f88902460001, 0xe9eb050f03b2 };' > maze.c && gcc -o maze maze.c && ./maze < 1365662465 282587 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​╱╲╱╲╲╱╱╱╲╲╱╲╱╱╲╱╱╲╲╲╲╱╱╱╱╱╲╲╱╲╱╲╱╲╱╲╱╲╲╱╱╱╲╲╱╱╲╱╲╱╱╲╲╱╱╱╲╱╲╲╲╱╲╱╱╱╱╲╲╱╲╲╲╱╲╲╲╱╲╲╱╱╲╱╱╱╱╲╱╱╲╱╲╲╲╲╱╲╲╲╱╲╱╱╲╲╲╱╱╲╱╲╱╱╱� < 1365662466 292540 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. there's no nice way to change rdtsc to rdstcp, they're different sizes :< < 1365662472 15287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp < 1365662475 759106 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1365662483 342585 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :new favorite program < 1365662484 93644 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :0F31 -> 0F01F9 /7 < 1365662521 514540 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: rdtscp because of the fence? < 1365662546 865556 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was wondering if maybe rdtscp might give better results? I'm not sure < 1365662554 394618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :good night all :) < 1365662572 476712 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1365662583 173035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: ♞ < 1365662589 806881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I tried rdtscp and it also has the / bias. < 1365662659 629685 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. is / the 0 or the 1? < 1365662691 171221 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm. maybe the parity of the result might be more random than the lowest bit? < 1365662734 163666 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's super weird though, I'd be really curious about why that's happening < 1365662752 113137 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what's this "olsner.troll.moed"? < 1365662779 638834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Referring to that quote, I assume. < 1365662854 509119 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365662902 473196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I get what looks like good randomness looking at bit 2 (i.e. inserting shr $2, %eax after the rdtsc) < 1365662932 98213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I shift by one I still get long runs of /, and in addition I get some long runs of \ < 1365662997 498295 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get all sorts of other patterns shifting by other amounts. < 1365663134 88663 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about popcnt(rdtsc)&1? < 1365663139 774209 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work maybe? < 1365663193 305033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I have to figure out how to popcnt. < 1365663237 719818 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1365663250 329896 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the loop usually takes a not-completely-random number of cycles to run < 1365663296 749452 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I can just popcnt %eax, %eax? < 1365663306 388664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems to work too. < 1365663329 173027 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: With a syscall in the middle? < 1365663352 450451 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais JOIN :#esoteric < 1365663482 881276 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, that mixes it up a little, or maybe it usually goes through a fast path that just moves a byte into a buffer and moves on < 1365663711 339286 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay for x86 extensions having every instruction ever :3 < 1365663776 946000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see leading zero count but not trailing zero count?! < 1365663797 646637 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, even LZCNT is AMD-only. < 1365663933 690417 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's bsr. < 1365663984 702826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should learn how x86 instruction encoding works. < 1365664041 881767 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are probably better things to waste brainspace on :) < 1365664075 852860 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bsr/bsf can do lzcnt/tzcnt basically? < 1365664091 694460 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the main difference with the actual lzcnt/tzcnt instructions is they have defined behavior if the input is zero, I think < 1365664103 50814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I didn't know and/or forgot about bsr. < 1365664113 441295 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LZCNT was added by AMD in SSE4a, TZCNT is added in BMI1 (which also nicely includes lzcnt for consistency, so now amd/intel are equal again) < 1365664115 843150 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's always the thing with de Bruijn indices. < 1365664121 748595 :fftw!~fastest@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1365664132 57207 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tzcnt has actually a really fun weird property < 1365664133 463128 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, de Bruijn sequences. < 1365664138 688538 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :its opcode is actually equal to "rep bsf" < 1365664224 825949 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can use tzcnt in code that runs on older cpus, and it will execute fine as long as your code doesn't rely on the specifics of tzcnt (like defined behavior at 0) < 1365664239 511298 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes valgrind choke though XD < 1365664271 316093 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does VEX < 1365664280 98290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or at least it did when I tried it. < 1365664317 496833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, but like, "rep bsf" was a thing that worked on earlier cpus, so it's not like it's actually a new instruction < 1365664320 808406 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least sort of? < 1365664321 463625 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's weird < 1365664381 181131 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, Intel has never cared about backwards compatibility. < 1365664408 32480 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, LZCNT does the same thing. LZCNT is "rep bsr" < 1365664413 989100 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you still supposed to do rep ret? < 1365664414 319729 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that one is deceptive and evil < 1365664428 165972 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, like. "tzcnt" gives the same result as "bsf", I think, when the input isn't 0 < 1365664446 481307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but "lzcnt" gives the number of leading zeroes, while "bsr" gives (bits in register) - (number of leading zeroes), I think < 1365664449 300830 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm pretty sure bsf also has defined behaviour on zero (ZF = 1, undefined value in the register), it just might not be behaviour you'd like. < 1365664483 20273 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :GCC compiles ffs(i) into bsf + cmovz. < 1365664484 260523 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. yeah, you're right < 1365664498 883639 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the result that's undefined not behavior, sorry < 1365664515 398843 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And rep ret isn't in the latest AMD optimilization manual any more. < 1365664557 130684 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one manual in-between had replaced it with a three-byte encoding of "ret 0", anyway. < 1365664572 834702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suppose perhaps because that's more legal?) < 1365664593 865881 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the x86 prefixes have always kind of confused me >_< < 1365664625 237634 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365664630 794227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are x86 instructions monoids < 1365664678 184665 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should `? monoid say "Monoids are just x86 instructions" instead? < 1365664722 99050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoids < 1365664726 140615 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are the easy version of categories. < 1365664727 299248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monoid < 1365664729 141904 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Monoids are just categories with a single object. < 1365664733 566879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh. < 1365664773 435761 :ousia!~ousia@gateway/tor-sasl/ousia QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365664778 161231 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :speaking of BMI, pdep and pext look like really really cool instructions < 1365664787 467288 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're like, that weird kind of instruction that -looks- raelly cool, but I can't figure out how to use for anything <.< < 1365664831 119918 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, instructions that aren't in my intel\ combined\ manual.pdf < 1365664835 283123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I need to download a new one? < 1365664842 783076 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://download.intel.com/products/processor/manual/325383.pdf < 1365664855 728327 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the manual doesn't include unreleased instructions (stuff that's in the SDE, but not in released CPUs) < 1365664865 512946 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I'm guessing when haswell comes out they'll add in the avx2 stuff and all that? < 1365664873 938835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That file is 6MB! < 1365664878 207241 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :moving it from one pdf to another I guess < 1365664882 626098 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait no that's the wrong one >_< < 1365664885 658168 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://download-software.intel.com/sites/default/files/m/8/a/1/8/4/36945-319433-011.pdf < 1365664892 547490 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, I linked to the regular instruction reference -_- < 1365664897 3892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better. Only 2MB. < 1365664900 803511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can probably manage 2MB. < 1365664921 460842 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1365664934 925107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be a law where you have to expand all the acronyms you use. < 1365664944 537907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll call it the AEL[Acronym Expansion Law]. < 1365664965 940995 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glwt < 1365664972 751350 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1365664981 863620 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SDE -> Software Development Emulator < 1365664996 404079 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a super cool thing where you just go sde -- ./program args and it'll magically run the program as if it had all the instructions < 1365665006 728223 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :with dynamic recompilation and magic < 1365665030 919633 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like fun. < 1365665045 673133 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: sorry, joking. gtwt, good luck with that < 1365665085 502846 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I'm sure pdep and pext will be well-received by the thousands (if not millions) INTERCAL implementers, for implementing SELECT and MINGLE. < 1365665090 763935 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XDDDDD < 1365665099 203598 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what do those do that pdep/pext will help with? < 1365665120 480266 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SELECT *is* pext, I think. < 1365665134 360892 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow < 1365665140 8731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe bit order details are different, I don't know. < 1365665182 80167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it takes bits from X that correspond to set bits in Y, and packs them to the low end. < 1365665220 625124 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And MINGLE interleaves bits from X and Y, in alternating order, which sounds like something pdep could help with. < 1365665230 243871 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pdep+pdep+or, or something.) < 1365665336 464388 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :curious newbie question; esolang being what it is, ..., what development platforms are people here using for work? < 1365665370 100840 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :AIUI, they're the building blocks of almost all INTERCAL maths, since they're the only binary operators; AND, OR and XOR are all unary. < 1365665388 512107 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm building GNU/Linux based machines for placement in hotel rooms. bash, python, php, c, c++, umm, you know Linux land < 1365665410 973139 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://palms.princeton.edu/system/files/IEEE_TC09_NewBasisForShifters.pdf oh fizzie here was the paper I found the other day < 1365665416 129988 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's apparently related to the pdep/pext stuff < 1365665450 781138 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's basically a new type of shifty-bit circuit that's a little higher latency but can do all kinds of crazy arbitrary bit shuffles (like pdep, pext, and stuff) with fewer gates than a normal shift unit < 1365665473 47376 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The unary bitwise ops apply on every two consecutive bits, so if you want regular A&B, you need to mingle A and B, then perform the operation, then SELECT every other bit.) < 1365665484 186172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the author's done a lot of stuff related to stuff like this, she's really awesome < 1365665498 304618 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is apparently a wonderful simd dork < 1365665520 1702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"SIMD dork" is a nice term. < 1365665537 925739 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365665594 220417 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that is an accurate description of me -_- < 1365665633 568956 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1365665701 527353 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As for the at-work question, I suppose most of the code our speech group is involved in is in C++ (dirty parts of the recognizer), MATLAB (research code), Python (glue) and Perl (more glue). < 1365665779 221550 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Some of the Perl might not be entirely glue.) < 1365665874 246291 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365665934 744338 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: thanks < 1365665941 280588 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the pdep/pext stuff might be squee material for people forced to work with stuff like RGB565 < 1365665951 537140 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or other weird bit-level-packed data formats < 1365665997 145330 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bit permutations for crypto, perhaps? < 1365666017 501803 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there formats that do that nowadays? < 1365666030 412260 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that it was a big deal in DES, but that, well, this kind of comes a little late for that XD < 1365666032 735163 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really know about modern algorithms. < 1365666086 183631 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know rotates are still a big thing in hashes and stuff < 1365666097 3670 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and AES uses table lookups to do GF(2) multiplication on bytes I think < 1365666102 538064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a feeling AES is quite byte-oriented. < 1365666104 795405 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something like that (sboxes or something) < 1365666121 129741 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can apparently do those with pshufb (there's actually a really cool paper on timing-attack-immune pshufb AES) < 1365666130 3851 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course now it's all sorta silly because of AES-NI < 1365666136 878536 :ousia!~ousia@gateway/tor-sasl/ousia JOIN :#esoteric < 1365666251 740712 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://shiftleft.org/papers/vector_aes/vector_aes.pdf oh yay here it is < 1365666491 59338 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice name < 1365666581 695748 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1365666620 573053 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365666640 672343 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiftleft < 1365666661 199653 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: sleep < 1365667492 470664 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION yawns
< 1365667502 828146 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1365667519 598878 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365667782 791428 :btiffin!~btiffin@CPE002369b7648c-CM0014e88ec3b0.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com PART :#esoteric < 1365668073 801692 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.183.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365668159 581079 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365668410 578791 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.183.120 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365669159 263107 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1365670368 67648 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1365670369 762420 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1365670721 986998 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365671131 601797 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365671241 855212 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a term for when you have two sets, and one of them is a subset of the other, but you don't know which? < 1365671316 952437 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the smaller one's got to be the subset, right? < 1365671449 811684 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Well, they might be the same sizze. < 1365671454 542174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/z// < 1365671588 56395 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if they're equal it still counts as a subset < 1365671610 635171 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I don't think there is a term for uncertain subsetyness < 1365671634 202624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: It's called two-sets-and-one's-a-subset-but-I-dunno-which, HTH, HAND. < 1365671676 84402 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...right < 1365671694 115385 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, you might not know the size, or they might be infinite? < 1365671793 202007 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oooh < 1365671796 585030 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes sense < 1365671903 61676 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason I want to know this is kinda really stupid < 1365671912 280172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about ixset < 1365671917 99498 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1365671926 863063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about monoids < 1365671929 587810 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoids are easy < 1365671930 958617 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...No < 1365671935 953253 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's about Venn diagrams < 1365671967 304939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about hugs < 1365671968 950644 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug Taneb < 1365671969 373908 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1365671974 398247 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugs? < 1365671990 435434 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to be able to describe annuloid (?) Venn diagrams < 1365671996 920127 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, tender embraces between two people < 1365672016 505936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: what i do with my tender is none of your business < 1365672016 777520 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1365672053 872546 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1365672054 67758 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365672103 726290 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you could use some sort of a symbol that's a combination of ⊆ and ⊇ -- a bit like ≶ but with the dash too -- to describe your situation. There's for example ⫓, ⫔, ⫗ or ⫘. < 1365672120 231708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie++ < 1365672183 446091 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365672215 902338 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1365672251 345089 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1365672251 539434 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365672254 757802 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, there's ⋚, I just missed it. < 1365672275 323157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wonder how much use the "less than, equal to or greater than" operator gets. < 1365672318 645719 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"it's probably a real number" < 1365672319 599320 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1365672322 120992 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"that's all we know" < 1365672375 760029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> ≻ ⊱ oh no it's curling up < 1365672375 995508 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval: recoverEncode: invalid argument (invalid character) < 1365672383 633663 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: That's not what I meant. < 1365672436 98682 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unicode: the best thing for people on sick leave?) < 1365672685 782602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: presumably ⋚ is the unicody way of writing <=> from Perl < 1365672841 70215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As usual, there's both ⋚ and ⋛. (If they do have the semantics of the Perl <=>, perhaps the other one could be reversed.) < 1365672883 558461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would *hope* that ⋚ is a relation. < 1365672888 442680 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Which <=> isn't.) < 1365672976 711941 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(⋚) :: Ord a => a -> a -> Bool; _ ⋚ _ = True < 1365672985 938270 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :D had <>= which basically meant that both sides can't be NaN, IIRC < 1365673008 102296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not "x <>= y" ---> "x = x <> y"? < 1365673022 153137 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D has monoids? < 1365673026 379460 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :x !<>= x was equivalent to isnan(x) < 1365673059 239711 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365673295 751948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (<=>) = ((pred . fromEnum) .) . compare in zipWith (<=>) [1,2,3] [3,2,1] < 1365673297 620225 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-1,0,1] < 1365673299 517041 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay. < 1365673410 836911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (<=>) = (signum.).(-) in zipWith (<=>) [1,2,3] [3,2,1] < 1365673412 636110 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : [-1,0,1] < 1365673489 525279 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let (<=>) = (signum.).(-) in maxBound <=> (-1 :: Int) < 1365673491 50121 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : -1 < 1365673611 156661 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still needs -2 for isNaN anyway < 1365673667 248712 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just posted to a Haskell mailing list about how people weren't giving NaNs the respect they deserve. < 1365674186 835828 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.183.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365674244 788399 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.183.120 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365674383 513303 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Unasked as in unspoken. < 1365674390 883514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could be an acting acting teacher. < 1365674394 56799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or student. < 1365674420 415645 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have considered it, oddly < 1365674426 584198 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which? < 1365674436 405824 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Being an acting student < 1365674447 788924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did you consider it oddly? < 1365674469 1010 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sort of did a headstand then asked all my friends whether I should < 1365674489 480813 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION glances up, hugs Taneb
< 1365674492 813372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about your #esoteric pals? < 1365674503 407392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora is your friend too! < 1365674514 763861 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hadn't met Fiora back then < 1365674520 498996 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I was in a hurry, with no time to IRC < 1365674523 189062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :None of us had. < 1365674544 425483 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1365674544 690647 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1365674560 181095 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1365674570 217510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1365674572 47221 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1365674582 172310 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that true? < 1365674596 333040 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least half of it is < 1365674604 515384 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps even three quarters. < 1365674623 427277 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You invented them, and they're modules over the ring of differential operators, but they're unjust? < 1365674634 480272 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(closer to 9/16) < 1365674638 11731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wn justice < 1365674638 885086 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "justice" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1365674639 81613 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :justice < 1365674639 81824 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: the quality of being just or fair [syn: {justice}, < 1365674639 81936 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : {justness}] [ant: {injustice}, {unjustness}] < 1365674639 82055 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2: judgment involved in the determination of rights and the < 1365674640 813659 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :[7 @more lines] < 1365674642 636056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1365674643 134637 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : assignment of rewards and punishments < 1365674644 839415 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3: a public official authorized to decide questions brought < 1365674646 905428 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : before a court of justice [syn: {judge}, {justice}, {jurist}] < 1365674647 867833 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365674648 926585 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 4: the United States federal department responsible for < 1365674650 967761 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : enforcing federal laws (including the enforcement of all < 1365674652 843552 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : civil rights legislation); created in 1870 [syn: {Department < 1365674654 624672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? justice < 1365674655 314785 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : of Justice}, {Justice Department}, {Justice}, {DoJ}] < 1365674658 284734 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :justice? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1365674669 703668 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Justice is just behavior or treatment. < 1365674674 832291 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1365674676 669708 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll just go with Google define:'s definition. < 1365674681 283786 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1365674703 606840 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Justice is just an endofunctor in the category of morals < 1365674710 826628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes justice is just ice. < 1365674730 922018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes monoids are just mono ids < 1365674736 805740 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365674737 104 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 QUIT :Client Quit < 1365674759 163416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh conspirabiology < 1365674762 222611 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cohnspihrahbiohlohgy ihs whehre mohth cohlouhrihngs fohrm a doht mahtrihx dihsplay to sehnd you suhblihmihnahl mehssahgehs. < 1365674802 512612 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, D-modules are just modules over rings of differential operators, and someone called M. G. M. van Doorn wrote an article on them which is cited by Wikipedia < 1365674821 307653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`?hh siberia < 1365674823 371664 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sihbehria ihs the cahpihtahl ohf Fihnlahnd. Iht's whehre the Fiehlds Mehdahl wahs fihrst syhnthehsihsehd. < 1365674838 760550 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? sgeolang < 1365674840 150273 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :sgeolang currently is either J or Io. < 1365674842 60172 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, outdated. < 1365674851 93969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? monqy < 1365674859 385907 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :The friendship monqy is an ancient Chinese mystery; ask itidus21 for details. < 1365674871 882354 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ask monqy i love friendship monqy !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! < 1365674872 490402 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1365674901 601013 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? comonad < 1365674903 273943 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comonads are just monads in the dual category. < 1365674904 482350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? comonads < 1365674906 293429 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comonads are just monads in the dual category. < 1365674917 886291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What! < 1365674922 13595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a pluraliszer in `? < 1365674926 611165 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.183.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365674930 886097 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? gazspacho < 1365674932 253999 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :gazspacho is a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz < 1365674938 969520 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ngevds < 1365674943 901682 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :ngevd is a fake wisdom entry. `? ngevd is special-cased in bin/?. leave this file alone Phantom_Hoover‼ < 1365674950 404045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa dude < 1365674951 804256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: < 1365674955 87446 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb++ < 1365674958 43970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :brilliant < 1365674961 312183 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Fiora < 1365674963 289741 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora is a freakin' vriskapologist. < 1365674983 695276 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1365674985 771376 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¯\(°_o)/¯ `? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1365675115 728758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? oerjan < 1365675118 605614 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your evil overlord oerjan is a lazy expert in future computation. Also a lying Norwegian. < 1365675129 745321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cooerjan < 1365675131 327795 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :cooerjan? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1365675136 85499 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coöerjan < 1365675138 802515 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :coöerjan? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1365675148 765576 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoaoerjan < 1365675267 991848 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we please change mine :< < 1365675277 461857 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :gopher it < 1365675287 813085 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Fiora isn't a freakin' vriskapologist. < 1365675291 994692 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1365675303 723751 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Fiora < 1365675305 561372 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora isn't a freakin' vriskapologist. < 1365675311 492362 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Fiora this is a test < 1365675319 553045 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1365675321 547782 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Fiora < 1365675323 94664 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora this is a test < 1365675326 153070 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, cool < 1365675411 407259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't leave it like that ........................ < 1365675468 430053 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Fiora is half JRPG fangirl, half SIMD dork, and all sucrose. < 1365675473 520957 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1365675508 488045 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow i thought you were fructose :'( < 1365675512 973215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how disappointing < 1365675639 957770 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but sucrose contains fructose! < 1365675733 448062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were all fructose < 1365675771 647524 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :high Fiora corn syrup < 1365675796 845113 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a vriskapologist anyway? < 1365675826 276037 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? Fiora < 1365675836 455972 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora is half JRPG fangirl, half SIMD dork, and all sucrose. < 1365675837 730643 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Fiora is. < 1365675839 493738 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :much better -_- < 1365675865 632274 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that doesn't answer the question, and might not even be true because she changed it < 1365675890 437068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: "Vriska" is a character in a comic strip that some people here read. < 1365675894 501602 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah right < 1365675908 792847 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I read some comic strips occasionally, but not that one < 1365675951 89927 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you follow `olist? < 1365675956 16329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can put you on `olist. < 1365675969 494792 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can remember it for you wholesale. < 1365675975 759378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run ls bin/*list* < 1365675977 734811 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/emptylist \ bin/instalist \ bin/list \ bin/listen \ bin/makelist \ bin/mlist \ bin/olist \ bin/pbflist \ bin/pbflistdeluxe \ bin/slist \ bin/smlist \ bin/testlist < 1365675979 245165 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never set it to that to begin with, it was someone teasing me < 1365675980 406371 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1365675984 246378 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365676004 385969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We can put you on `pbflist or even on `pbflistdeluxe < 1365676014 226724 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or `smlist. Everyone loves super mega comics. < 1365676024 665848 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm not a fan of the `list notification just because I might not be in the channel at the time, so I'm going to check the site anyway < 1365676028 715052 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the personal wisdoms might be third-party-set. < 1365676034 459307 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also I often don't want to look at the comics the instant they update < 1365676049 407398 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but rather, when I'm not at work and have some free time < 1365676058 726690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But what if they update once every few months? < 1365676058 920931 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and have nothing better to do < 1365676063 958124 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to check them every day? < 1365676069 386920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: then I'll likely check once every few years :) < 1365676082 105912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :With `pbflistdeluxe, you don't need to be in the channel. < 1365676085 367477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We get the message to you. < 1365676098 718490 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there /are/ some things that could interestingly do with updates, such as new IOCCC s < 1365676102 974123 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :* IOCCCs < 1365676110 59850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feel free to make an ioccclist. < 1365676111 946985 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we normally put those in the topic because everyone here should theoretically be interested in them < 1365676118 310232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1365676134 678470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought the topic was for jokes and off-topic things. < 1365676137 739822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd like to be put on the elerlist, please. < 1365676141 569713 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :should we put the UCC in the topic, incidentally? it's not an exact fit for the channel, but I imagine many people here would be interested in it < 1365676142 667324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that matter, that's what I thought the channel was for. < 1365676152 247118 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Many people here are. < 1365676162 939046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But who hasn't heard of it already? < 1365676167 315266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well the channel is a community for people with common interests < 1365676189 541887 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it turns out that people who like esolangs generally tend to like various other things too < 1365676269 617823 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net TOPIC #esoteric :Koen_: be a Haskell person. | am i rye? 'course i am! | Underhanded C Contest: http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ < 1365676332 174845 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: fwiw, topic notifications moderately indirectly lead to me gaining a lot of money < 1365676336 775284 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they're not exactly useless < 1365676352 173531 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and nothing prevents them coexisting with random garbage < 1365676387 508438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: They do? < 1365676395 222843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does that work? < 1365676414 557354 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, most of the people here are interested in at least one esolang < 1365676418 372995 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :many people in more < 1365676439 115799 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a toss-up between taking Economics and Drama, and I ended up doing Latin < 1365676445 131703 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yet, we can sustain discussions aout other things for a while with many people participating, and occasionally the occasional person complaining in a passive-aggressive way with everyone else ignoring them < 1365676472 818860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I meant the money thing. < 1365676501 756 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well it was about a competition with prize money offered < 1365676520 229128 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :allegedly a result in computability theory, but it was actually an esoprogamming competition in disguise < 1365676535 611260 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1365676538 926778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I suspect the reason I won may have been because other people attempting didn't realise it was about esoprogramming) < 1365676558 843078 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the goal of the competition? < 1365676586 217240 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A new kind of computability theory < 1365676644 628202 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it was the 2,3 machine thing < 1365676671 741353 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you've somehow managed to miss the story, I can go over it again < 1365676679 551466 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nah, I know the story < 1365676688 231694 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought you did < 1365676693 460114 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is why I was surprised at your question < 1365676729 121806 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just imagining something more like the IOCCC or UCC < 1365676761 908700 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1365676802 478500 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did anyone ever come up with a less controversial proof? < 1365676910 216182 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the proof is the controversial part < 1365676923 550154 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I heard the story at the time but I didn't know it was ais523. < 1365676931 8169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I probably wasn't in the channel at the time. < 1365676942 595489 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: the controversy is not about the proof itself, but about what it's proving < 1365676961 281956 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1365676967 501435 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I agree with pretty much everyone else that the situation is currently poorly-defined < 1365676993 252890 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and would like to find better definitions, together with a demonstration that the examples in the proof fit that definition, before actually publishing < 1365676998 656953 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From this information I can estimate your age! Ahahaha! < 1365677004 708040 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, by "example" here I mean the opposite of "counterexample" < 1365677014 676656 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in, something that proves the entire theorem just by existing < 1365677016 595171 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i estimate ais523's age at 523 < 1365677026 364116 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rather than "something added to make it easier to understand" < 1365677035 606680 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'd be nice if we had two different words for those concepts < 1365677053 78490 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"countercounter example" < 1365677072 434719 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Uh, we're kind of intuitionists around here... < 1365677092 883973 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :++example; < 1365677093 590944 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not in general; I rarely find reasons to use intuionistic logic < 1365677098 515916 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :linear logic, otoh, I use all the time < 1365677178 386932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, I have a question for #esoteric < 1365677188 776098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Intuitionistic logic seems to fit well with a lot of programming things. Maybe they aren't esoteric enough. < 1365677188 971453 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how would you interpret "λf.λx.λx.f(x)(x)"? < 1365677206 48268 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same as λf.λy.λx.f(x)(x) < 1365677208 791194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would like to read it as xs referring to the inner one. < 1365677229 743711 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so you're mentally interpreting the lambdas as having lexical scope < 1365677232 943907 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's reasonable < 1365677247 435290 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think f(x)(x) syntax is standard. < 1365677258 445838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it hinting at something that I'm missing? < 1365677260 616779 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise alpha equivalence would yield incorrect results? < 1365677266 709122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it is standard, just the concept it's describing is normally not often used in languages that have that function call notation < 1365677289 480077 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :read it as (f(x))(x) < 1365677289 674225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean standard in the same line with λs. < 1365677296 308068 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365677302 436237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's mathematical notation < 1365677310 553800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's one kind of mathematical notation. < 1365677313 604884 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did it that way so it wouldn't remind people of any particular programming language < 1365677328 774761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The lambdas remind me of lambda calculus, which is pretty well-defined. < 1365677337 986679 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought this was just a question of where we put the parentheses. < 1365677338 591266 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It reminded me of my days messing with Python's lambda construct < 1365677351 316700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it's a questionf lexical vs. dynamic scope, well, dynamic scope is crazy. < 1365677356 5769 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So lexical scope. < 1365677361 927902 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the most obvious semantic interpretation appears to be equivalent λf.λx.λy.f(x)(x); the λx replaces all the xs, then there aren't any more xs left for the other λx to replace < 1365677371 646546 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, what do you think of mixed scope? < 1365677387 829055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"replaces"? < 1365677413 619278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Do you also have this interpretation for λf.λx.λx.f(x) ? < 1365677424 672642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If so the other x is just muddling things up. < 1365677431 57568 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, but that other x adds new possible answers < 1365677437 775668 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :like λf.λx.λy.f(x)(y) < 1365677442 76591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1365677457 998925 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you say that's absurd, that's actually what the standard mathematical categorical semantics produces < 1365677468 692223 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent all last night writing a multi-page essay on why it's wrong :) < 1365677475 385952 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :λf.(λx.(λx.(f(x))(x))) is how I imagine it, ridiculously bracketed < 1365677487 790228 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yeah, it parses like that < 1365677493 214220 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the question is how the lambdas match the xs < 1365677494 206786 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which contains (λx.(f(x))(x)) which has an obvious meaning < 1365677523 394744 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which can be alpha-converted < 1365677527 861397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think being able to extract any subexpression the way Taneb did -- possibly with free variables -- is a good property. < 1365677536 787614 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I understand where your interpretation comes from. < 1365677555 158468 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which leads to incorrect results with the semantic interpretation < 1365677561 275850 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1365677572 991837 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so if we're working in a linear logic < 1365677582 115168 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(λx.(f(x))(x)) is an open term < 1365677595 164261 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because you're using two xs, but only supplying one < 1365677601 876266 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's still a free x floating around somewhere < 1365677615 373620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know much linear logic. :-( < 1365677623 175620 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the original type system, it's a little unclear whether it's a linear logic or not < 1365677626 90819 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're using it twice < 1365677632 839757 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does require the number of lambdas to match the number of variables < 1365677641 138942 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :((λx.(f(x))) (x)) would use it once < 1365677641 837529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't like any interpretation that would just refer to two different xs. < 1365677648 900807 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And require a free, floating x somewhere < 1365677653 946240 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1365677671 466927 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the problem with the traditional mathematical semantics that I'm arguing against < 1365677679 847193 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that it doesn't actually keep track of variable names at all < 1365677685 861920 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it can't observe that the two xs are the same < 1365677695 182698 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1365677698 251119 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it just sees two lambdas, and two variable uses, and thinks everything is fine < 1365677708 659034 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hang on, are you saying that we're right but unconventional, or wrong AND unconventional < 1365677734 954786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't think anyone's saying anything about "right" or "wrong". < 1365677746 496231 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I think you're righter than the conventional definition < 1365677752 844494 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1365677755 53316 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also that you're assuming too much sanity < 1365677763 322121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, maybe some people are. < 1365677775 680398 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Clearly the solution is de Bruijn indices. < 1365677798 62058 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the funny thing is, I think the traditional categorical semantics is actually correct for de Bruijn indices < 1365677802 880974 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but wrong for variable names < 1365677817 678814 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cf Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download) < 1365677820 143803 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: anyway, alpha-conversion is clearly required for closed terms < 1365677828 984932 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, I should really read that language < 1365677834 408823 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with serious languages with spammy names < 1365677839 510782 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that I note that they're not spam < 1365677848 955071 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523, have you seen Binary lambda calculus? < 1365677850 207009 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then mentally disregard them < 1365677857 703342 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: yes but I can't remember how it works < 1365677875 725619 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Essentially like Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download, but with different I/O < 1365677914 554949 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Binary lambda calculus's IO is bitwise, Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download is character-wise) < 1365677939 386404 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, and it has an obfuscating syntax for no good reason < 1365677941 402428 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did you do that? < 1365677957 482404 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not obfuscating! It's perfectly readable! < 1365677966 690117 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't hate it as much as PH hates BF derivatives, but it does disappoint me) < 1365677990 331792 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it was originally a functional version of BIT) < 1365678005 95374 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1365678016 633630 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw, I just random-paged onto Numberwang (your version) < 1365678026 335815 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1365678064 935339 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to work out what made you come up with that operation for determining a command < 1365678074 153233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I originally thought was mod 9 mod 4, but isn't because of the decimals < 1365678091 671071 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's digital root mod 4 < 1365678100 637963 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.183.120 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365678124 927931 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, I wanted any terminating decimal to end up as one of the four commands < 1365678140 881141 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, digital root normally means mod 9 < 1365678143 358425 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but only on integers < 1365678162 160275 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it took me a moment to realise it was different on floats < 1365678174 808237 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fun fact: all floats are terminating decimals) < 1365678175 336047 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's defined as the sum of the digits < 1365678183 780638 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(although not vice versa) < 1365678194 195637 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I thought it's defined as repeatedly summing the digits < 1365678195 22276 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is well-defined for terminating decimals < 1365678198 298346 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :until you get down to just one digit < 1365678200 540217 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1365678224 727861 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, my thoughts skipped about 10 steps < 1365678287 147383 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, I just randomed onto Radixal!!!! < 1365678291 164332 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like these combined effort languages < 1365678303 679420 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There should be more IMO < 1365678324 801158 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365679206 503226 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365679351 840346 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.183.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365680675 85168 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365681174 258592 :carado!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365681180 557992 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365681978 235915 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365682322 525921 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365682395 531312 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1365682671 384623 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365683456 347185 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.183.120 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365683481 928016 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.183.120 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365683833 380922 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1365684088 963717 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365684440 468496 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the best way of working out what the largest natural k is such that n mod m ^ k = 0 for some natural m and n? < 1365684468 155557 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(eg, if n = 96 and m = 2, k = 5 because 2^5 * 3 = 96) < 1365684779 857706 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let exercise n m | mod n m /= 0 = 0 | otherwise = 1 + exercise (div n m) m in exercise 96 2 < 1365684781 701869 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 5 < 1365684930 526102 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365684941 687350 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter QUIT :Ping timeout: 255 seconds < 1365685014 730754 :c00kiemon5ter!~c00kiemon@foss-aueb/coder/c00kiemon5ter JOIN :#esoteric < 1365685896 615434 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365686394 265568 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365686571 167431 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the max exponent in the factorization < 1365686596 243131 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they may be easier way to obtain it < 1365686603 794620 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they->there < 1365686702 75272 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks for not saying “they=there”. < 1365687156 551342 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365687300 507525 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365687358 707819 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let they = there in there = they < 1365687360 393339 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : :1:27: parse error on input `=' < 1365687368 911822 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let they = there in there == they < 1365687370 407913 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `there'Not in scope: `there' < 1365687373 737466 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :meh. < 1365687424 531740 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365687536 599210 :GOMADWarrior!~Regis@189.34.44.144 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365689225 956121 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1365689608 870928 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.178.34 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365689796 605839 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.183.120 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365689821 535285 :jix!~jix@jixco.de QUIT :*.net *.split < 1365689821 728475 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :*.net *.split < 1365689821 922416 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :*.net *.split < 1365689822 309687 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :*.net *.split < 1365689822 504453 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1365689822 504614 :Gregor!codu@codu.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1365689877 616185 :carado!~carado@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1365689941 461675 :jix!~jix@jixco.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1365689941 655749 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1365689941 655819 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1365689941 655851 :hogeyui!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1365689941 655881 :EgoBot!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1365689941 655911 :Gregor!codu@codu.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1365691251 68303 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365691626 257289 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1365691709 581349 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1365691750 995522 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1365691751 189807 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365691833 926478 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1365691851 415136 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...it is cheaper to fly to London than to bus there < 1365691880 732911 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/bus/train/ < 1365691889 751570 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a complementary meal service, no less! < 1365691890 70417 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Kind of depends on where you are I'd imagine. < 1365691926 695842 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Newcastle < 1365691983 266164 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Leaving about half three on June the 3rd < 1365691998 261466 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course, with a plane, you still need to buy a tube ticket < 1365692008 227715 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half three is one and a half < 1365692017 753617 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1365692020 416156 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half past three < 1365692040 421970 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :We actually say something like "half five" etc in Finnish and that means 4:30 < 1365692042 906940 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's weird as hell < 1365692046 99602 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And makes no sense < 1365692063 276478 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not even like "half to five" but just "half five" literally < 1365692080 763449 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as British English does the same but backwards < 1365692100 863886 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :win 41 < 1365692123 645993 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365692166 36523 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1365692203 825500 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-18-72.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1365692204 20233 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365692226 364283 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lumpio-: that happens in German too < 1365692244 529038 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it's like roman numerals < 1365692256 537757 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Put a smaller digit before a larger one and it's subtracted < 1365692274 464230 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Could you then say "five half" for "half six"? < 1365692305 403190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can say "five thirty", FWIW. < 1365692324 496923 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah < 1365692367 959353 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even when taking into account Metro and Tube, it is cheaper and quicker to go via plane, metro, and tube to travel from Newcastle Central Station to King's Cross < 1365692393 576708 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1365692404 640184 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365692489 13485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just think, by 2035 or so you might be able to take a high speed train 2/3 of the way < 1365692542 883994 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll still be slower and more expensive < 1365692549 308591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1365692729 225551 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365692735 94256 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365692927 318822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, what do all y'all (that's the plural of y'all, right?) use for non-GUIfic conversion of RTF to plaintext? < 1365692989 158053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :'aptitude search' finds an 'unrtf', which has a promising name. < 1365693008 216603 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365693009 531707 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365693106 164552 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt many of us'all use RTF in the first place < 1365693182 192195 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365693321 912975 :carado!~carado@static.29.44.47.78.clients.your-server.de QUIT :Quit: Quitte < 1365693455 766906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, Fiora: yeah my work machine produces all sorts of strange patterns with the maze thing < 1365693477 309350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like it :) < 1365693625 187033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn, I missed a long discussion of new x86 instructions < 1365693630 763498 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry! < 1365693640 454308 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I posted a cool paper or two < 1365693659 480958 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I can't remember if you're like bike with regards to subsisting on academic papers XD < 1365693689 768381 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony JOIN :#esoteric < 1365693695 815502 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365693731 5290 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Trading is halted until 2013-04-12 02:00am UTC to allow the market to cooldown following the drop in price. Read more details on the support. Additionally trading fees will not be charged within 48 hours of trading resuming (until 2013-04-14 02:00am UTC)." also kmc, oh dears < 1365693880 186445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lolol < 1365693900 429534 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: i like to read or at least skim cool papers < 1365693916 517013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :trading halt at MtGox? < 1365693922 542509 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1365693928 695521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoinity.org/markets is still showing trades < 1365693933 225483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :around $120 < 1365693955 533594 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1365693961 711037 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, trading halt at mtgox < 1365693972 645389 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :trading halt? now? < 1365693992 825295 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm guessing they're trying to upgrade their systems really fast, apparently they got like 20,000 new accounts in the past day < 1365694011 116678 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh this is a silly bubble < 1365694100 558608 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how bitcoins work < 1365694110 886695 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But at the same time I don't really know how any currency works < 1365694135 707771 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: do you want a quick technical explanation of how bitcoins work < 1365694140 101508 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1365694140 840651 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean more like the economics of it < 1365694142 489977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1365694144 664052 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right now I want a hug < 1365694147 681196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1365694149 569236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs Taneb
< 1365694155 47869 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you, kmc < 1365694157 622619 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not as good over IRC, i know < 1365694171 539377 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It'll do < 1365694190 703972 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm on the cusp of feeling really down < 1365694210 845064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :about anything in particular? < 1365694251 40725 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really < 1365694271 444396 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone being a bit nasty on Facebook, someone else not being online < 1365694349 269868 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, actually, yes, something in particular < 1365694435 691780 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs Taneb too
< 1365694440 772531 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you < 1365694608 598145 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs Taneb three
< 1365694614 828931 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thank you also < 1365694672 226449 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh so like, the woman I mentioned who was doing the bit hacky stuff if you were glancing at the logs < 1365694685 633911 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike jokingly called her a personification of IBM but he's not far off < 1365694722 832422 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she apparently has like, hundreds of patents, and invented to some degree or another three different CPU architectures < 1365694732 785268 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1365694749 73609 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :she was chief architect at HP for like a decade < 1365694773 928019 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :designed PA-RISC, worked on designing IA-64 too < 1365694827 393272 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm more impressed with the former:) < 1365694854 856867 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :( http://www.princeton.edu/~rblee/ ) < 1365695208 769232 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs Taneb, kmc, Fiora, and tromp_ simultaneously
< 1365695215 667038 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a snowstorm beginning at 2am tonight, shifting into slushstorm at 2pm on Friday, with a slight respite around 10pm then aftermath until 9am on Saturday. < 1365695221 448467 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is getting out of hand, Tha < 1365695226 228288 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :He isn't sure why but he hopes it makes them feel happy < 1365695227 9624 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tOtherPerson < 1365695229 410825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :group hugs are great < 1365695237 139764 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: are you impersonating some kind of octopus with all that large-scale hugging? < 1365695249 584115 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, when I do them, it ends up with everyone on the floor and someone getting crushed < 1365695252 935565 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1365695262 78191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1365695275 374707 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'everyone on the floor' is not necessarily bad < 1365695282 761335 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps they're too contagious around here < 1365695328 950584 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, one of my British friends said that the British were not into hugs. < 1365695340 728099 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your floors are contagious, you have a more pressing problem than worrying about crushing people. < 1365695411 607197 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson, it may be more of a rural thing, or a northern thing, or a rural people in the north thing < 1365695447 931821 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1365695515 518087 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1365695868 915359 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365695989 966306 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: they're not very common, although there are a few situations in which they're socially acceptable < 1365696044 950384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like meeting strangers in a subway? < 1365696122 9541 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, you've heard a southerner, a northerner, and a mindlands-er < 1365696158 745126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked the round tunnels of the Tube. < 1365696204 71330 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you seen any of the urban exploration stuff where they explore abandoned tube stations? < 1365696231 253881 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tuuuuuuuuuuuuuube < 1365696272 823377 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When they were digging tunnels for the Tyne-Wear Metro, they found an unexploded bomb from the second world war. < 1365696291 421874 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that bomb had exploded, it would have killed my gran and great grandfather < 1365696298 817135 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hugs are almost acceptable around here, but a little awkward. You shouldn't hug someone when they arrive. It's sometimes okay to hug someone when they leave. Only hug with one arm. Follow these three rules and you should be fine. < 1365696300 789876 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like subways. I don't know why. < 1365696310 958090 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: because they're awesome < 1365696326 89167 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :They are pretty awesome < 1365696349 34937 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like anything underground :-) Caves, subways, crypts, bunkers... < 1365696350 345377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://ugcs.net/~arapp/timelines/europe.html < 1365696396 285409 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have a pretty nice subway here, with all kinds of entertainment and service interruptions. < 1365696410 678202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: If life was a video game, they'd have blown it up to make a hole to save some digging. < 1365696431 136429 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would have made a perfectly spherical empty space. < 1365696463 593734 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1365696486 964503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL there are sweet-tasting mushrooms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Candy_cap < 1365696519 261853 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365696521 699956 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is just creepy < 1365696626 844197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :going to look for Mycena corticola today < 1365696633 495010 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really tiny mushrooms that pop out of the sides of trees after it rains < 1365696668 169343 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungi < 1365696672 753603 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :eww < 1365696682 771466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungi are the best < 1365696700 602785 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Fungi are unnatural, right? < 1365696700 807275 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: how's that? < 1365696701 1845 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't trust myself enough to pick fungi to eat < 1365696707 660987 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I will eat mushrooms < 1365696710 551369 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is too scared to eat fungi that I find
< 1365696731 611876 :Lymia!~moe@tccd240-4.tccd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365696731 611956 :Lymia!~moe@tccd240-4.tccd.edu QUIT :Changing host < 1365696731 612034 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1365696737 901145 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION think fungi are an alien life form biding their time to try to conquer the planet
< 1365696738 860615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: yeah, identifying them is tricky < 1365696745 801022 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :*thinks < 1365696772 235791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get advice on http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/3 < 1365696789 110142 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: They're so creepy and different and alien < 1365696789 397454 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: bar stuff? who knows, perhaps fnord the fnord giant? < 1365696793 942884 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ThatOtherPerson: wouldn't alien life forms still be natural (unless cloned / engineered) < 1365696814 720676 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :impomatic: ... BESIDES THE POINT < 1365696816 783605 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1365696853 565102 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I can identify a few. Unfortunately the ones which are easy to identify tend to be poisonous. < 1365696858 785087 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That means "yes") < 1365696867 326106 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think oyster mushrooms are pretty easy to identify < 1365696869 433538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and are tasty < 1365696870 990547 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure, though < 1365696958 570465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :spore print is very useful for making an identification < 1365696962 791499 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that takes like a day < 1365696973 638911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushroom ident guides are usually organized by spore color first < 1365696976 447954 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I haven't seen those around here. Mostly fly agaric, something that grow out of a tree (beefsteak?), puffballs, shaggy inkcap, and something brown that could be anything. < 1365696991 800204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, so many kinds of little brown mushrooms < 1365697034 134108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :puffballs are neat < 1365697051 601964 :impomatic!~digital_w@87.115.210.249 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently we have blue stems (whatever they are) which sell for �60 per kilo. < 1365697087 695982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"blue stem" makes me think psilocybin :) < 1365697109 991552 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case they might be more than £60 per kilo! < 1365697138 192326 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm shaggy inkcap is nematophagous (oysters are too) < 1365697146 129550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they trap and kill nematodes for their delicious nitrogen < 1365697180 699938 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some reason, I have to connect through my VPS to access the research library server using school wireless < 1365698102 425399 :ThatOtherPerson!~ThatOther@unaffiliated/thatotherpersony QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365698238 716935 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :MUSHROOM RULES: 1) Learn to recognize poisonous mushrooms. 2) Only eat mushrooms that you recognize. < 1365698242 109393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yeah, I already did that "joke" on-channel, but since it was topical...) < 1365698370 742181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shroomery forum has a lot of posts like "I just ate these mushrooms, what were they?" < 1365698373 971205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't understand these people... < 1365698399 696493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you can fit something in your mouth, it's edible. < 1365699316 640847 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365699699 613817 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fizzie < 1365699714 954628 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you can fit something in your mouth and swallow it's edible < 1365699902 866230 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365700028 78250 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part before "and" appears redundant... < 1365700037 257978 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365700070 803483 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :leaving us with swallable (sounds more fun than swallowable) < 1365700132 644270 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365700133 179225 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1365700140 830859 :tromp_!~tromp@rtc35-148.rentec.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :funny hits you get if you google that... < 1365700161 410600 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, in addition to a rabbi, I've also pretended to be a king < 1365700172 102014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bony king of nowhere? < 1365700194 414852 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :...the young Edward-y king of England < 1365700232 888621 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also pretended to be Queen Elizabeth the first, but that was a desperate plea for attention < 1365700254 315275 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1365700274 667679 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365700599 784488 :listofoptions!~grossofug@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365700683 541964 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365700891 539628 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1365701479 444652 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1365701752 66286 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1365703184 369263 :sirdancealot!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1365703759 55624 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1365705051 997204 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The writer's identify is Barbara Bob and her spouse does not like it at all. Her spouse will not like it the way she does but what she definitely likes doing is cooking and she would never give it up. Years ago she moved to Maryland. Her working day career is a meter reader. < 1365705272 927917 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1365705371 744567 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds like Wesley Willis < 1365705441 427522 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1365705454 715011 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365705497 466645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://brianmckenna.org/blog/category_theory_promisesaplus oh boy, I can't wait to find out the ways in which this has nothing at all to do with category theory < 1365705523 246711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Putting it together, here's the monad class < 1365705528 692730 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be all the ways < 1365705531 229591 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for saying this without even mentioning what a typeclass is at all < 1365705536 174592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :really going to help your readers < 1365705564 467125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :function flatMap(p, f) { return p.then(f); < 1365705564 661119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :} < 1365705570 948135 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOLY SHIT I CAN'T HANDLE THE CATEGORY THEORY IT'S TOO MUCH!! < 1365705580 502303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :here are some fairly simple things from Haskell but i'm going to call them "Category Theory" to show i'm hardcore! < 1365705589 327769 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not say what a category is < 1365705604 750915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The above will work for any monad. List of lists? Optional optional value? If the JavaScript community settled on using flatMap as a method, we could write DRY, generalised code for monads. < 1365705615 972316 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DRY is an adjective now I guess < 1365705617 129882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good thing monads don't have return < 1365705621 963371 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: it means not wet < 1365705626 493641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"hth" < 1365705650 70542 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sounds like someone is in for a rude awakening in re: monad transformers < 1365705668 105466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"So where exactly is the category theory in this, opposed to just providing a sane API? Does the author actually understand category theory? How does it matter that the interface has similarities to concepts in category theory? Is there any valuable proof or construction we can get out of this?" < 1365705675 858487 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know an article is bad when the /r/programming comments are better < 1365705679 249283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oof < 1365705684 590383 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's rock bottom < 1365705711 204556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"By my unscientific count there were 13 counts of monad and 8 counts of functor in that article. That seems well above the expected number given your comment, which would suggest there were no ideas from category theory in it." < 1365705712 50520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: "By my unscientific count there were 13 counts of monad and 8 counts of functor in that article. That seems well above the expected number given your comment, which would suggest there were no ideas from category theory in it." < 1365705719 890132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least 73.4% monad < 1365705744 154130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a chrome extension that gives me the monad / functor count for every page < 1365705746 942904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :tia < 1365705769 816608 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :g'mafternoon < 1365705781 533430 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365705788 838365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'As a solo artist, Willis created more than 50 albums, each with over 20 tracks, full of bizarre, tense, and often obscene rants about crime, fast food, cultural trends, bus routes, violent confrontations with superheroes, commands for his "demons" to engage in bestiality, and praise for his favorite actors, friends (both platonic and romantic), politicians, and hip-hop and rock artists.' < 1365705795 667755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is category new monad? < 1365705821 273828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in b4 burrito < 1365705825 146020 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also hichaf < 1365705837 323366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :greetingan < 1365705841 956350 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :greegan? < 1365705883 294684 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wfm < 1365705902 446410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you hate burritos :'( < 1365705917 697011 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not quite sure what a burrito is < 1365705929 10246 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining something like a tortilla < 1365705931 928876 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or perhaps a monad < 1365705965 843496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aiui it's a tortilla < 1365705988 124884 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo next time you're looking for a burrito in mountain view you should go to the taqueria on rengstorff & old middlefield < 1365706009 878391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1365706021 733531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if Taneb is serious < 1365706030 87170 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the last line wasn't serious) < 1365706032 409285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, there are three taquerias on that corner < 1365706039 329164 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am, though, unsure exactly what a burrito is) < 1365706044 482203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should go to the one in the back of the little grocery store < 1365706045 447531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: it's a burrito rolled up into a fat tube, filled with stuff like beans, rice, meat, guacamole, lettuce, etc < 1365706048 561349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1365706050 349897 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a tortilla rolled up < 1365706057 385210 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry 2 give non well founded definition < 1365706062 608295 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1365706064 864185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never had a burrito before I moved to CA. < 1365706079 595004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure I knew what they were. < 1365706082 191175 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that just makes burritos codata < 1365706084 824857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: each one will have different stuff; beans and rice are pretty essential tho < 1365706094 855955 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you can always peel off the next fat tube in a finite amount of time < 1365706095 316425 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: true you can 'unwap' each layer in finite time < 1365706097 170563 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365706107 902664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp time to write a codata tutorial < 1365706123 8591 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In that case, I may have eaten a number of burritos today < 1365706133 506986 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(there was tortilla, chilli, and rice) < 1365706141 273524 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the chilli contained beans?_ < 1365706142 229692 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) < 1365706382 213660 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems legit < 1365706388 818492 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a p. broad category of food < 1365706393 231361 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :SF has a "sushiritto" restaurant < 1365706402 119521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a v. SF sort of thing < 1365706416 660334 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that sushi+burrito? < 1365706535 201094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1365706549 629663 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a sushi roll in the size and shape of a burrito < 1365706555 693084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.sushirrito.com/ < 1365706576 436073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but is it vegetarian < 1365706582 51054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :could be < 1365706594 993413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i forgot to mention cheese above, most burritos have cheese < 1365706597 180571 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hexham has a greek restaurant < 1365706597 375294 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or sour cream < 1365706602 861041 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's crap < 1365706632 67461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: imo move to california??????? < 1365706655 580997 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo fix your healthcare and gun laws < 1365706690 470481 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1365706693 727320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair retort < 1365706706 423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MA has semi-fixed healthcare anyway < 1365706715 803045 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not great but it's less fucked than the rest of the USA < 1365706732 610364 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1365706773 105059 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was one of Governor Romney's big accomplishments before he ran for President and had to suddenly hate that program < 1365706873 685230 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::/ < 1365706924 58755 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1365707114 563331 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365708241 906792 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365708254 889022 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365708255 232420 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@63.91.27.121 QUIT :Changing host < 1365708255 427644 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople JOIN :#esoteric < 1365708624 738002 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365708726 562857 :ousia!~ousia@gateway/tor-sasl/ousia QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365708971 630848 :ousia!~ousia@gateway/tor-sasl/ousia JOIN :#esoteric < 1365709326 578434 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365709329 243887 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb / ThatOtherPerson: http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/37966564090/ :3 < 1365709361 135840 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'VE BEEN DOING IT ALL WRONG < 1365709411 913267 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's never too late to learn! < 1365709414 792595 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1365709440 754910 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's probably too late if backs have already been broken. < 1365709459 293891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are always more backs out there to break. < 1365709474 430507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1365709514 283833 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I am a reasonably tall chap who is keen on hugs and has a number of shorter friends, this comes up a lot) < 1365709515 863151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes but like you can still learn < 1365709536 435619 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1365709563 960923 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(in all fairness, I also like the "bury head in chest cling" hug too, but that probably doesn't leave much for the tall person to do) < 1365709606 58771 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I once brought a book) < 1365709669 766936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it called "how to hug" < 1365709677 868634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that was a dictionary hth < 1365709699 315586 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was called Star Smashers of the Galaxy Rangers < 1365709706 570901 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a silly pulp sci-fi < 1365709712 37392 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1365709740 197752 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that book have to do with hugging o_O < 1365709763 816823 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :About a couple of college students who accidentally make a FTL drive powered by American artificial cheddar < 1365709776 422107 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, very little, it just happened to be the book I had on me at the time < 1365709825 819372 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz QUIT :Excess Flood < 1365709826 321276 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why isn't strace nice and simple < 1365709837 218652 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: uh it is < 1365709848 224904 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :an elegant modern strace duuuuuuuuuffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1365709857 764944 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, because it's not part of @'s core utils < 1365709880 114819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :an strace that celebrates craftsmanship < 1365709882 521217 :sirdancealo2!~sirdancea@98.82.broadband5.iol.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1365709897 236173 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, why did you just say duffffffffffff < 1365709898 970884 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: all i want to know is why clicking on links in urxvt is broken < 1365709902 124935 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :duffman < 1365709906 871652 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: he didnt he said duuuuuuuuuffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff < 1365709912 622430 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone here like akira < 1365709926 402258 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've heard of akira < 1365709933 216482 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't remember in which context, though < 1365709934 136408 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not good enough. < 1365709939 333465 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it an anime < 1365709944 971558 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365709951 948678 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira < 1365709955 74014 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Any good? < 1365709958 222630 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1365709962 772308 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akira -- insecure link for people who aren't shachaf < 1365710002 276174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :only insecure people click on insecure links < 1365710015 340821 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the film? < 1365710051 128688 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1365710054 515015 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/FWaP ok so this is the problem < 1365710057 484936 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the comic's great too, if longer < 1365710064 477645 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Might give it a shot < 1365710066 49332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yet i have < 1365710066 665029 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :URxvt.urlLauncher: chromium < 1365710068 667655 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's four thousand pages or some crap < 1365710068 862154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what gives??? < 1365710076 765811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Akira # MAXIMALLY SECURE LINK < 1365710103 905588 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1365710106 525044 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ti was changed to url-launcher < 1365710117 75858 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sensible-editor, sensible-pager and sensible-browser make sensible decisions on which editor, pager, and web browser to call, respectively." < 1365710122 546707 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I remember the movie was kind of confusing just because of how much it was compressed from the manga < 1365710127 198511 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what the hell is a pager) < 1365710130 902156 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was pretty though < 1365710133 306398 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(are we talking like those beepy things) < 1365710136 45372 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1365710137 724628 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :links work again < 1365710137 919496 :WeThePeople!~WeThePeop@unaffiliated/wethepeople QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1365710143 493669 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a miracle! < 1365710147 758054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've gone < 1365710148 277533 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think it's a thing people put in their pocket protector < 1365710150 504238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally months with broken links < 1365710152 698063 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can click all the secure akira information you want < 1365710153 873944 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: a pager is more or less < 1365710157 944586 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1365710169 601910 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: not convinced pocket protectors exist tbh < 1365710178 269337 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike you weren't there fort hat time i went like three to four months without number keys < 1365710198 30766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :remember those months i went without → and End keys < 1365710202 246849 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol. < 1365710205 125169 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait those months are still going on < 1365710205 904676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1365710256 943547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the joke is that my keyboard is broken and it's Bike's fault < 1365710279 521605 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good joke, imo. < 1365710337 568384 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think they have like, the same mythical status as slide rules? < 1365710354 314682 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey now < 1365710356 546529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey i have a slide rule < 1365710359 615993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've used a slide rule < 1365710361 514652 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've actually used a slide rule < 1365710408 108114 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow :o < 1365710409 364262 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rule at sliding < 1365710410 90571 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the stuff of legends! < 1365710414 444239 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're actually pretty easy to use < 1365710435 921681 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Battery 0: Charging, 75%, 1484:00:00 until charged < 1365710451 669125 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Conflict:_Palestine < 1365710465 308107 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Global Conflicts: Palestine is a serious game. It was developed by Serious Games Interactive" < 1365710467 693794 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds serious < 1365710476 439354 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jerusalem facing challenges. < 1365710504 565158 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conflict: Middle East Political Simulator" well i guess that about sums it up < 1365710525 694102 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Conflict: Middle East Political Simulator, often known as ConfMEPS" < 1365710545 658275 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"One of the main ways to lose the game is for WMDs to be used, which often sets off a global nuclear holocaust. This can present a problem to players," < 1365710570 410386 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds like DEFCON < 1365710577 425479 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFCON is a fun game < 1365710594 275518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION has also used a slide rule
< 1365710602 797373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just for addition and multiplication though < 1365710607 338977 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :addition is kind of obvious < 1365710607 634123 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh DEFCON was fun < 1365710611 628724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multiplication is log addition :) < 1365710615 982727 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :golly gosh < 1365710619 222668 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" Generally, it is best to destabilize Iran into collapsing, since this permits Iraq to threaten some of the countries which share a border with Israel." yes. nailed it. < 1365710620 15487 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would love DEFCON if i could be good at it < 1365710637 365765 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was good enough to beat the computer reliably, because the computer is dumb < 1365710640 367638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i never played much online < 1365710648 237418 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can imagine it being so much fun to play with friends < 1365710656 344822 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :online it's just gruesome < 1365710661 809330 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Lebanon, which borders Israel and Syria, is highly unstable and will collapse on its own accord if another country does not invade it first; in fact, Lebanon will collapse by itself even if the player is always trying to disrupt the insurgency and support the Government. " this is seriously darkly amusing < 1365710673 666351 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a party that included a video of DEFCON gameplay on a huge projection screen < 1365710676 254714 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to, like, micromanage every single one of your bombers, and split your entire fleet into 2-ship units < 1365710678 778005 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cold war themed party < 1365710696 793067 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds pretty sad kmc < 1365710705 534054 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you play cold war songs < 1365710705 970379 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was crap at DEFCON < 1365710713 701361 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Napalm Sticks to Kids~ < 1365710716 427872 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how bad I was but it was fun < 1365710722 102395 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the only cold war song i know) < 1365710723 328365 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Coldplay make cold war music? < 1365710724 336413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually that was the party where the hazmat crew got called the next day < 1365710732 927271 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they could organize the party by decades. so like, in the first hour, every 10 minutes they have to vote someone out as a communist < 1365710734 433487 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Coldplay: The cherry on top of a shit sundae." < 1365710753 472665 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i definitely wasn't good but i was competent at not being obviously bad < 1365710770 851899 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: and then they all get high as hell and forget the theme? < 1365710776 243116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : About a couple of college students who accidentally make a FTL drive powered by American artificial cheddar <-- overarching premise: "this stuff has to be good for _something_"? < 1365710780 770023 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then in the next decade they have to vote who is the bourgeois and shame them in front of everyone < 1365710786 174945 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1365710789 987864 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are a few typos in the game which can be distracting to the player, such as the announcement that a given country has been overrun by another country's "hoards" (its bank accounts?), rather than using the correct term, "hordes". < 1365710804 218658 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and decide on Four Olds from around the room to destroy < 1365710809 25592 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1365710811 841624 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay this is silly < 1365710837 963217 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, they put it in a particle collider for a joke, and then the next-door neighbour's cat ends up in Toronto or something < 1365710841 1303 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :later i show up in a ghillie suit and murder all the christians for being too leftist < 1365710851 857318 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :c.c < 1365710908 90665 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or just stand outside the party training assassins < 1365710933 778565 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder how introversion's doing these days < 1365711011 802 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, then the two college students, their girlfriend (they share one), and a KGB spy end up on a 747 in space or something < 1365711015 54881 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And save a few worlds < 1365711499 447338 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365711758 667268 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1365711760 377512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not sure 747's are considered space-worthy? < 1365711790 856879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :just strap a rocket to the end < 1365711791 88463 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's like Space Battleship Yamato? < 1365711806 443468 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell, strap some to where the normal engines are < 1365711850 76771 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it was very silly < 1365711893 717322 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I think they just put a small particle collider and some cheese in it < 1365711974 682188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf google is constantly crashing < 1365712002 452731 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1365712021 732569 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, wouldn't that basically be an ion drive < 1365712025 434590 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :with cheese ions < 1365712027 363051 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :only the main page though < 1365712037 483951 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION drive
< 1365712047 55296 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I think it was more a magic drive < 1365712059 253293 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365712082 84915 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw can we all just spend a minute admiring http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_salt-water_rocket < 1365712089 171157 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was not at all hard sci-fi < 1365712169 409963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fission_fragment_rocket this is my favorite nuclear rocket design < 1365712179 162879 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fiora < 1365712180 812768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sorry < 1365712192 557773 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just not crazy enough < 1365712194 993165 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can get exhaust velocity up to a significant fraction of c < 1365712197 229830 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so cool < 1365712201 998662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.lp.org/make-a-bitcoin-contribution < 1365712203 503362 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so can the nswr < 1365712206 221607 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :libertarian party now accepting bitcoin donations < 1365712216 738425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :By checking this box I acknowledge that contributions from corporations and foreign nationals are prohibited (Permanent legal residents of the U.S., i.e., "green card" holders, are not considered foreign nationals). I also acknowledge that this contribution is made from my own personal funds and not funds from a corporate or business entity. < 1365712225 946494 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you use highly-enriched fuel < 1365712230 363930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something tells me this isn't legally sound < 1365712231 925614 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow O_O that one has crazy good specific impulse too < 1365712239 600147 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, you're not a US citizen. < 1365712244 200678 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hate to break it 2 u < 1365712248 301771 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also < 1365712253 736778 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the donation amount starts at $5k < 1365712257 381063 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :LIBERTARIANS < 1365712268 252845 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora, it's basically project orion with one long, continuous explosion < 1365712273 519538 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's amazing < 1365712274 520076 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's actually a legal requirement on campaign donations. < 1365712298 121231 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Basically, without having a weirdo legal status you can't accept from corporations, and you can't accept from non-citizens. < 1365712309 440759 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1365712323 361210 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2013/04/11/as-big-investors-emerge-bitcoin-gets-ready-for-its-close-up/ oh my gosh it's the winklevoss twins < 1365712326 882122 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're back < 1365712350 228414 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I rarely use any compression with DVI other than the built-in movement commands compression, although other can be used if necessary such as gz and so on < 1365712350 734491 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 2 new messages. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read them. < 1365712354 110679 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1365712354 757023 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc asked 2d 43m 57s ago: What kind of compression (if any) do you use on .dvi files? < 1365712354 952178 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike said 1d 20h 22m 8s ago: friend of mine doesn't think TwoDucks can solve the halting problem (for UTMs) and would be interested in talking it over with you. < 1365712356 706807 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best return since cliff lawton's < 1365712362 709827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yes but... < 1365712364 924432 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's bitcoins < 1365712379 234186 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty trivial to just donate money to them and put in a fake address < 1365712396 896313 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"winklevoss"?? < 1365712412 916596 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the guys who sued facebook for stealing their idea < 1365712436 700035 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1365712445 210873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the identical twins from the fairy tale < 1365712448 961256 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :pretty sure they can't actually be real < 1365712450 49118 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365712453 702575 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bad guys from that facebook film < 1365712468 856041 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Olympic rowers. Nemeses of Mark Zuckerberg. Characters on “The Simpsons.” Now they can add a new label: bitcoin moguls.» this is pretty great < 1365712486 271162 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm at least 0 of those things < 1365712488 186991 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«The Winklevii — as they are popularly known —» < 1365712510 994812 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey dutch tulips < 1365712515 466889 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should actually read that book sometime < 1365712520 545745 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They have parlayed that fortune into Winklevoss Capital. Their first two investments were in Hukkster, a start-up shopping Web site and SumZero, an online community for professional money managers." < 1365712524 55469 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :winklevopodes < 1365712536 90484 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys < 1365712539 182461 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong bubble < 1365712542 407341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: does anyone invest in anything that isn't a website any more < 1365712546 915746 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1365712553 956588 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that aren't websites? what < 1365712554 545384 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Winklevoss" < 1365712565 621696 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like my dad's mum's maiden name < 1365712570 376353 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wolswinkel" < 1365712571 930483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i know it's hard to believe they exist < 1365712587 176665 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I invested in an oil company < 1365712596 14594 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It hasn't yet gone bankrupt < 1365712651 262708 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb < 1365712653 691340 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you are the worst < 1365712673 698697 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1365712675 141382 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I am < 1365712677 877471 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time for a relevant quote: < 1365712679 686469 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1365712679 881169 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in < 1365712679 881303 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my body. Then I realized who was telling me this. < 1365712679 881348 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Emo Phillips < 1365712711 591814 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha, ha, cartesian dualism < 1365712818 935540 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Oh, so that's why the value is crashing... people just wanted to get out once they saw the Winkelvii getting in." *pff* < 1365712967 214808 :TodPunk!~Tod@166-70-93-209.ip.xmission.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1365713056 57662 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1365713230 698802 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-179-240.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365713518 89543 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Oh, I can just popcnt %eax, %eax? < 1365713573 756022 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i'm wondering if there's assembly that resembles brekekex koax koax < 1365713707 1461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? maybe < 1365713712 734860 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1365713721 654215 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn Maybe a is Just a or Nothing < 1365713729 272237 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1365713769 306141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Just (x::a) < 1365713777 833817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just Int isn't :: Maybe Int < 1365713796 905885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Go fight with the "data" syntax people. < 1365713877 872726 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t Just 5 :: Maybe Int < 1365713879 185778 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe Int < 1365713922 859570 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughs at today's darths & droids
< 1365714078 372313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t return 5 `asTypeOf` Just undefined < 1365714080 138495 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Num a => Maybe a < 1365714099 258974 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know about ways to encode codata using inductive types < 1365714124 928092 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1365714145 888764 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION dips into r/bitcoin, notes that they are arguing with someone pointing out that bitcoins are never going to hit $100,000
< 1365714167 411303 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :XD < 1365714176 913192 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: wrapping things dually in functions, i assume... < 1365714197 993451 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, you said "know". i guess not. < 1365714208 980111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I am pretty sure there are multiple viable ways but Idon't know the details < 1365714217 369485 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume someone has written a paper about it but I can't find one < 1365714223 893589 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: amazingly I don't think x86 actually has anything starting with K < 1365714252 421473 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: the k is not important here, i was inspired by %eax after all < 1365714252 760289 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or G, Q, Y, or Z. < 1365714325 356712 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1365714333 76793 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365714364 804283 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: link < 1365714383 860121 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1c51ck/i_think_this_subreddit_should_seriously_consider/c9d3ket < 1365714385 321282 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i would expect codata to be somehow representable as something a function that takes an inductive data type argument describing how to decompose it to a finite level < 1365714391 291856 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*-something < 1365714406 84272 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of dual to a fold < 1365714480 174273 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-162-212.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1365714507 515279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well... I am a bit unsure because when you have dependent types, it's no longer sufficient to describe data types as their fold < 1365714518 964639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear < 1365714549 941012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not usually think of dependent types, i was imagining something system F like here < 1365714637 543425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1365715087 899316 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-41-137.public.wayport.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365715329 748329 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dog attacks TV for baseball http://youtu.be/L7QFFZJWAX8 < 1365715535 836720 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ... < 1365715569 934925 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is quite a thread PH < 1365715581 366028 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: ha, nice catch < 1365715589 978508 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Estimate those probabilities, multiply them by each other. Is your answer zero? Nope, didn't think so. < 1365715630 2495 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow are there gold standard people here i'm seeing < 1365715632 951927 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Why would anyone record themselves playing triple play? Definitely planned... Therefore its NOT A NICE SAVE" < 1365715642 569306 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :woah, youtube commenter, you are really blowing the lid off this conspiracy < 1365715647 445556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do the zapruder film next < 1365715663 351859 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"400 years ago Canada was a bunch of stupid trees. Now we re worth almost 1.8 trillion. Give that amount of time, and maybe." wow it's bullshit /and/ racist < 1365715672 528054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1365715692 630875 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoins are just like canada kmc < 1365715709 747107 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I think a better analogy is that Microsoft was started in a garage, and Facebook was started by random college kids in their dorm room. Oh and don't forget Apple who nearly died that one time.""Yeah, and none of those companies is anywhere close to being worth two trillion dollars." "neither of those companies is a currency." < 1365715743 787075 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well canada is still a bunch of stupid trees. < 1365715761 617370 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because a lot of people bought in early and get rich, that doesn't mean that they don't deserve to get RICHER. I feel like there is so much greed around Bitcoin now that it's going to fail just over the asshats that won't recognize the value. < 1365715803 625906 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you even want a BTC to be worth $10000, that's not how you measure the strength of a currency < 1365715822 861746 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're winning if the numbers go up < 1365715824 722735 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like mario < 1365715826 362284 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well people don't care about the strength of BTC so much as making a lot of money off the BTC they have < 1365715833 290193 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :even if they pretend otherwise < 1365715849 738422 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there was an article in the observer making that point < 1365715865 78546 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if the observer said it < 1365715866 98939 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin is doomed to fail because it encourages speculators and hoarding, apparently < 1365715881 267567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of like other currencies you mean < 1365715882 774512 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it's doomed to fail it's because the people using it are dipshits < 1365715884 968922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, deflation is built into the protocol < 1365715886 168981 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365715896 588559 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, what kmc said < 1365715906 73341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes i do know how bitcoin works :P < 1365715913 917645 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of brilliant, though, isn't it? the creator of bitcoin was able to gather a vast army of supporters to push it just through greed < 1365715915 797195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if i have �200 in a sock it's just going to become worthless over time < 1365715920 941562 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because all the early adopters will have a ton to gain < 1365715929 251532 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :something about bitcoin being a microcosm of capitalism, not a conspiracy < 1365715937 333003 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have 200,000 JPY in a sock then it almost doesn't become worthless except that your country's economy slowly melts < 1365715957 501184 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: the invisible hand is flipping us all off < 1365716208 725263 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365716314 598395 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello monqy < 1365716368 641600 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1365716552 47310 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh mtgox is tokyo-based? < 1365716564 417960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was imagining it as being, like < 1365716569 801168 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :on top of an actual mountain < 1365716572 633083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1365716574 424993 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somewhere in the rockies < 1365716581 451527 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on top of an actual Magic: the < 1365716595 730140 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly in a libertarian conclave of some kind < 1365716605 59257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the < 1365716611 920762 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365716613 905332 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i missed kmc's joke < 1365716616 964054 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :womp womp < 1365716628 286554 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also doesn't tokyo have mountains < 1365716631 209823 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did Phantom_Hoover miss kmc's joke < 1365716660 274944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: why is your username 'help' < 1365716666 421145 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think they have the letter x in japan < 1365716670 174328 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or... "~help" < 1365716675 590062 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :freenode adds the ~ < 1365716702 69434 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :noidentd: if only < 1365716714 902579 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: secret i actually use oidentd < 1365716718 67056 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bc its in the debian repos < 1365716735 625103 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :monqy: remember when your username was swell; those were some good times < 1365716741 557552 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it made me think your real name was swell) < 1365716745 229619 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(like you were thomas swell or something) < 1365716758 180603 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was i in here back when it was 'chap'? < 1365716765 526944 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmmmmmmmmmm maybe < 1365716767 991809 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont remember that though < 1365716809 908916 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365716850 751803 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it may have been 'ciao' too at one point but im less sure about that < 1365716891 811000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/04/zerocoin-making-bitcoin-anonymous.html is neat < 1365716923 396375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 523/12 < 1365716925 338018 :lambdabot!~lambdabot@li85-105.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : 43.583333333333336 < 1365716979 970116 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1365716999 189248 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION realises that it's actually kind of mad that there's a $20 spread in prices from the 4 non-mtgox exchanges on bitcoinity
< 1365717019 617161 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=173227.0 < 1365717077 57014 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1365717132 317840 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the single biggest failure of BTC is that it's inherently deflationary... < 1365717139 151410 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Meaning that long-term it's simply not viable. < 1365717221 908884 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But hey, people also support the gold standard. < 1365717228 528863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so as t→∞ everyone is just hoarding coins and not spending them... but is there some way to incentivize against that < 1365717230 48612 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which has the same problem really. < 1365717232 189852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other than modifying the protocol < 1365717247 410878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: and a lot of the same people supporm both... < 1365717251 451217 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1365717261 422015 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'consider linux or os x' < 1365717276 672690 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what, exactly, was the problem with not making it deflationary < 1365717302 34120 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really truly think Bitcoin is going to last long-term, it's in your best interest to just grab some and sit on it. < 1365717307 908917 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, like, retire on it. < 1365717323 16278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if everyone does that and liquidity dries up < 1365717329 713139 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it fails. :) < 1365717330 717199 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then how do you actually spend your bitcoins on important goods < 1365717350 852568 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay, liquidity crises. < 1365717356 696610 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe that's part of the reason why it's so volatile? or at least part of it, since, like, the number of bitcoins actually trading seems to be a tiny fraction of the total < 1365717374 57910 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think the deflationary thing is sufficiently far off that it's not influencing behaivor now < 1365717377 36723 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i could be wrong < 1365717391 761403 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not the deflationary bit but rather just "people are sitting on it" < 1365717396 616596 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: It's actually been deflationary since day one. < 1365717396 811554 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did it have to be deflationary! i assume there was some reason for it < 1365717401 973962 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: yeah, i know < 1365717408 105080 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As more bitcoins are mined, mining gets harder. < 1365717419 305939 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just think people aren't thinking long term yet < 1365717420 392602 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suspect people aren't *acting* on this, but nevertheless. < 1365717426 985329 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's easier to convince people of the value of something if you can guarantee it will be in limited supply (?) < 1365717427 179200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that the market is mostly driven by short term bubbly speculation < 1365717437 629402 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: yeah < 1365717447 517355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :deflation gives you a currency which is worth a lot of dollars which looks good in a way < 1365717451 398475 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it definitely did a good job at recruiting the libertarians -_- < 1365717453 276632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it hurts your economy < 1365717495 926858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people keep telling me that the Right Thing is nominal GDP growth targets < 1365717505 713019 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember hearing that 'satoshi' had mined, like, 500k bitcoins or something < 1365717508 950982 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know < 1365717510 137522 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where those are now... < 1365717567 459329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's so weird that bitcoin was invented by some anonymous japanese person < 1365717572 967208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it makes the whole thing like 200% more cyberpunk < 1365717580 958857 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not even sure people are certain it was one person < 1365717595 673967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also how did i only now notice that 'bitcoin' is one letter off from 'bitchin' < 1365717639 30731 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(bitcoin is actually a stand alone complex!) < 1365717644 484737 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :finally a way to trade virtual chins anonymously < 1365717656 83695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am going to saw off my own chin and trade it in asap < 1365717707 185738 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't think there's any reason to believe it was actually invented by a japanese person < 1365717750 187116 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :some kind of..... weeaboo cypherpunk < 1365717754 211189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it might just be oen of the later developers using another name for the initial development < 1365717759 578839 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for i don't know < 1365717761 104143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mystique? < 1365717764 91202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of weird < 1365717768 40372 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want a japanese thing there's Perfect Dark < 1365717782 234638 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :version 1.02 was called "standalone complex" < 1365717787 557347 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm sure the fact that the inventor is unknown appeals to the kind of ancap anonymity type impulse < 1365717788 421944 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maximum cyberpunk go < 1365717790 945760 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I remember reading that the first few 100k bitcoins still haven't been sent anywhere... < 1365717800 397607 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nazi gold of reddit < 1365717802 237316 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that paper Bike or whoever linked < 1365717806 517129 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, whoever invented it is a multi-millionaire < 1365717807 383675 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does anyone know what that november 2010 transaction actually was < 1365717812 293667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it pizza < 1365717816 381334 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm telling you man it's the pizas < 1365717827 873882 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitcoin, founded upon pizza < 1365717841 594037 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though, it'd be wonderfully schadenfreudetastic if it turned out satoshi lost hir wallet) < 1365717985 40303 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hahaha < 1365717992 652558 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nazi gold of reddit < 1365718309 826579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if bitcoin does survive, you know that people in 20 years will be looking through every discarded laptop for hidden treasure < 1365718392 65762 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :treasure island w/ bitcoins? < 1365718450 182280 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get a bunch of blank CDs and write "BITCOINS" on them and hide them in various locations < 1365718465 930768 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe put like, 0.000001 of a bitcoin on each one? < 1365718483 476803 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 0.000000 < 1365718487 705496 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :who stores things on cds these days < 1365718490 30264 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1365718490 360327 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :xor with a nonce. :) < 1365718514 695292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you can fit a paedophile on a disc pikhq < 1365718517 424422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq_: nah it should have enough apparent structure that people will go mad trying to decrypt it < 1365718523 928393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :paedocoins < 1365718542 47136 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gosh, this reminds me of um... Molyneux's cube thing < 1365718552 656848 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm imagining that, except like, with a promise of a bitcoin wallet in the center < 1365718553 453450 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :curiosity < 1365718555 7246 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CURIOSITY < 1365718558 303210 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT'S INSIDE THE CUBE < 1365718562 184439 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1365718563 666565 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a swarm of redditors trying to get to the center of the cube < 1365718569 736141 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i honestly thought curiosity was a molydeux thing first < 1365718577 145595 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i first heard of it from molydeux tweets referencing it < 1365718579 780342 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i laughed < 1365718581 823590 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wasn't it what inspired molydeux < 1365718583 265454 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too. he's practically self-parody XD < 1365718585 835415 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's reverse < 1365718592 449383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it bad when i heard of it i thought it sounded kind of cool < 1365718594 855054 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :molyneux saw molydeux and was inspired to go and quit his job < 1365718597 415834 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and make curiosity < 1365718599 846270 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i0.wp.com/buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/mtgoxmagiccard.jpg?resize=223%2C310 < 1365718600 40972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :seriously < 1365718612 4990 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :art imitates life imitates art < 1365718626 125194 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have they figured out curiosity yet < 1365718631 897416 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is it true that mt gox is a repurposed mtg site < 1365718654 480295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365718658 872668 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1365718668 866556 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :magic the gathering online xchange < 1365718692 348766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mt.Gox < 1365718700 81086 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1365718784 125591 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey they stopped trading yesterday < 1365718906 928370 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365718921 540957 :carado_!~carado@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:221:63ff:fe9a:3747 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365718986 971862 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there any real-world codebases that use STM? < 1365719172 488075 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1365719209 148590 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, they're all in fake worlds < 1365719264 470596 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, code that actually serves a purpose that's not demonstrating STMs < 1365719309 885777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the founder of mtgox also made edonkey < 1365719329 592775 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh what < 1365719333 465768 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is also the guy who made Ripple < 1365719395 929968 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I've also pretended to be Queen Elizabeth the first, but that was a desperate plea for attention < 1365719400 489808 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :1020) I've also pretended to be Queen Elizabeth the first, but that was a desperate plea for attention < 1365719419 67185 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ripple? < 1365719426 820858 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ripple < 1365719446 662087 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365719491 239866 :monqy!~help@pool-98-108-214-230.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1365719517 136624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ripple_monetary_system < 1365719520 258562 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was cool before bitcoin! < 1365719530 3475 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and is also more interesting < 1365719574 995627 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow i've actually heard of htis < 1365719591 890004 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This structure means that it is simple to route payments to and from any participants, but is inherently full of single points of failure, which may also be characterized as single points of control." < 1365719917 188493 :augur!~augur@ip-64-134-41-137.public.wayport.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365719943 305275 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365719983 440137 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.112 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1365720446 129777 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365720570 95603 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365720612 843719 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what pdf reader do you use < 1365720627 890025 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1365720708 535412 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-252-201.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365720943 828092 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1365721134 692141 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are u gonna write sploit < 1365721151 4104 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :evince mainly, sometimes xpdf, sometimes okular < 1365721154 980340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sometimes google preview thingy < 1365721395 329630 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I start with pdf.js because my browser renders PDF files using it internally, then find that it’s frustratingly slow and/or renders the file horribly and click the button to open it in evince. < 1365721421 298111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: wow xpdf really < 1365721446 950224 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like xpdf’s magnifier tool. < 1365721452 850956 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hm, what browser? < 1365721455 999283 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Firefox < 1365721469 23587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh. < 1365721540 312039 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xpdf works even when evince is broken due to gnome bullshit < 1365721548 406299 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also consumes less ram or something < 1365721562 233462 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don’t remember evince being broken ever. But sure, xpdf uses less resources. < 1365721570 787922 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla doesn't want Adobe to cash in on the lucrative user frustration market < 1365721580 871738 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :next: swf.js < 1365721611 937276 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, SWF already uses JS for scripting. :-P < 1365721638 197752 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm fond of mupdf personally. < 1365721698 459 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the firefox reader has been kind of frustrating for me, it works some of the time but on some files the table of contents window just doesn't work, like, I can't click on an entry to jump to it < 1365721702 704660 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is really painful for 1500-page pdfs < 1365721719 445408 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, pdf.js seems rather silly. < 1365721729 746087 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i avoid reading 1500 page pdfs < 1365721735 936266 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :PDF readers have issues being slow *without* running on a rather strange VM. < 1365721740 769972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maintains my inner balance < 1365721753 640123 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have much choice if I need to read intel manuals :< < 1365721766 886162 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, you have found another way in which i maintain my inner balance. < 1365721776 378429 :pikhq_!~pikhq@174-24-19-12.clsp.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mupdf is pretty nice though. UI's kinda meh, but it's freaking awesome at rendering efficiently. < 1365721786 954012 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1365721812 855161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i use evince < 1365721817 485915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i kind of want some kind of pdf manager < 1365721825 279517 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i don't have to keep remembering what 58324.pdf is or whatever < 1365721826 889800 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mendeley? < 1365721832 678449 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could give them proper names < 1365721834 38624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's work < 1365721840 333145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i give them proper names every few weeks < 1365721856 134669 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I use Calibre. < 1365721856 328813 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I notice Downloads/48191_1891final.pdf\ (3) and decide enough is enough < 1365721856 329000 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mendeley was recently acquired by satan or something < 1365721864 920868 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: is this some kind of web based thing < 1365721875 251733 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no Downloads is my folder for downloads. < 1365721880 938445 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: elsevier? < 1365721884 352482 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no i mean < 1365721884 609820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah them < 1365721885 173566 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mendeley < 1365721894 296263 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Uh, maybe? < 1365721900 470851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :this looks sort of like something i have no hope of using on linux < 1365721903 45473 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also use Calibre to convert and send files to my Kindle. But i used it just to maintain a library of various ebooks, papers etc. before i had a Kindle. < 1365721916 923616 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I'm pretty sure enough academics use it for them to support it... < 1365721920 368567 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it has a linux version hmm < 1365721945 638957 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, now that it's Elsevier i'll need a goat to sacrifice to soil myself enough to use it, though < 1365721947 270914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would prefer something open source because i am a dweeb, but it certainly looks featureful < 1365721956 953505 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software ah wikipedia < 1365721958 685751 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s open-source. < 1365721962 201821 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it < 1365721967 780662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean mendeley < 1365721968 996181 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :not calibre < 1365721971 548676 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1365721979 71855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calibre... might work for my needs < 1365721982 120992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but there was that one security bug report < 1365721988 471978 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that makes it impossible for me to take the developer seriously < 1365722005 950543 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1365722014 45917 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What bug report was that? < 1365722028 571674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://bugs.launchpad.net/calibre/+bug/885027 < 1365722041 192692 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's no longer relevant and didn't matter to anyone who used major distro packages for it, but < 1365722045 769027 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man that < 1365722048 912101 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dev's attitude is really awful and eyeroll-y < 1365722053 755560 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i am biased against the program now < 1365722080 112248 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I dont see how 1-3 are security vulnerabilities." wow i forgot how terrible this was < 1365722081 158496 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, awesome < 1365722111 433313 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fix committed for the latest exploit. Feel free to re-open if you find another < 1365722111 627716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploit based on 4. < 1365722111 627806 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :status fixreleased < 1365722114 26265 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :exploit PoC 2.1 Edit (2.9 KiB, text/x-sh) < 1365722114 220695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Updated the exploit. < 1365722116 796953 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, realpath() < 1365722116 991143 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :status fixreleased < 1365722123 838453 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"4 is a vulnerability only if < 1365722126 825093 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mount itself is vulnerable to command line injection." hahaha < 1365722130 44844 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm sure if you keep patching it over it'll be fine! < 1365722136 107585 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god i totally forgot about this it's amazing < 1365722230 355025 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how is that elsevier boycott going < 1365722299 514719 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well that one legislative thing got defeated a billion years ago so fine as far as i'm concerned < 1365722353 377077 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wooow. that bug report thread. < 1365722367 103548 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Until this comment, I was on the side of fixing with the exploits. Now, as far as I am concerned you should go play frisbee on a freeway." < 1365722371 248715 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gosh, that guy is almost reminiscent of drepper. < 1365722379 130660 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :things get heated in the high-stakes world of launchpad < 1365722397 556693 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-33.wireless.umd.edu QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1365722431 317000 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hell is trying to find the superscript for a footnote you missed < 1365722446 848770 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/9985757/Iranian-scientist-claims-to-have-invented-time-machine.html anyway < 1365722454 257678 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHAT ARE YOU COMMENTING ON REVEAL YOUR SECRETS TO ME < 1365722500 248908 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lol < 1365722554 530527 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b7c93.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365722567 235206 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1365722567 680369 :Lymia!~moe@108-205-143-75.lightspeed.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net QUIT :Changing host < 1365722567 874152 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1365722609 146277 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Razeghi said his latest project has been criticised by friends and relatives for "trying to play God" with ordinary lives and history. < 1365722673 291620 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION laughed at “Ah, realpath(). status fixreleased”
< 1365722782 398148 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`slist < 1365722783 931143 :HackEgo!codu@codu.org PRIVMSG #esoteric :slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot < 1365722863 464625 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, so it is safe for me to use Calibre on Linux? < 1365722871 752062 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may have been avoiding it somewhat < 1365722897 928839 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably nobody's going to exploit it, the dev is just kind of a fool i guess < 1365722910 974228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the dev gave in eventually < 1365722919 888033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course that's only the one bug we know about < 1365722937 733505 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it's the only binary that's suid, isn't it? < 1365722952 877827 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently Fedora and probably other distros just remove that binary anyway. < 1365723019 729711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can have bad exploits without root < 1365723027 454128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like your browser doesn't run as root either < 1365723204 809614 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sure an attacker can get my gmail password and all of my other passwords and basically take over my life and all my money, but that's no use if they can't send raw IP packets or set the system clock < 1365723219 842457 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-231-165.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn straight < 1365723463 381898 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh man, another Calibre developer, Charles Haley (cbhaley), decided to join the discussion with a constructive message. < 1365723768 974505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i should chown more things root < 1365723805 125467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1365723810 485577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :alias yolo=sudo < 1365723907 374914 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a decent email client yet < 1365723913 96760 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :like can i stop using gmail < 1365724045 499646 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1365724158 299813 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1365724229 459605 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 PART :#esoteric < 1365724237 900388 :doesthiswork!~Adium@75.87.251.5 JOIN :#esoteric < 1365724420 834477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1365724620 881911 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Every time I was convinced of the existence of an actual exploit, I have attempted to fix it. Maybe my fixes were naive, but dont forget that it's a lot easier to find holes in something, than to build somethig without holes in the first place.”