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00:32:41 <Bike> Fucking fantastic.
00:33:17 <Sgeo> `welcome drlemon
00:33:19 <HackEgo> drlemon: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
00:33:52 <drlemon> Well it's good to hear that, as you so put it, is "Fucking fantastic"
00:35:06 <Bike> Yes. It is goddamn amazing to hear that we are fucking fantastic.
00:35:49 <drlemon> Fucking amazing to hear that the way you people (who are the fucking shit) are fucking fantastic.
00:36:41 <Gregor> Fucking fuck, fuckfucks!
00:37:00 <Gregor> ("Fuckfuck" is the best fuck-based portmanteau)
00:37:02 <drlemon> Fuck, fuck fucking. Fucker! Fuckers! Fucking fuckfuckfuck!
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00:46:44 <ais523> <spambot> To Unsubscribe please read the attached Unsubscribe.txt file
00:47:29 <ais523> I did, it was a one-line file containing only an URL
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00:52:20 <Bike> whats the prize
00:54:28 <Sgeo> I'm so tempted to do unpaid work
00:54:58 <Sgeo> I kind of didn't focus on actually doing SOMETHING at work, instead waited around for an assignment that never came
00:55:05 <Sgeo> But I could have been cleaning my code up
00:55:11 <Sgeo> So I might just go do that tonight
00:57:21 <kmc> Bike: more soap
00:59:18 <kmc> "The Republican sympathizers in the proposed state of Nevada during the American Civil War were eager to gain statehood for Nevada before the next 1864 presidential election to help insure that Abraham Lincoln would have enough votes to win. They rushed to send the entire Nevada state constitution by telegraph to the United States Congress, which approved it and sent it to the President Lincoln for signature."
01:01:55 <Bike> to this day, the constitution is separated into 130-character blocks
01:04:31 <drlemon> Does anybody know a pre-compiled BF interpreter for maC?
01:07:04 <Gregor> I think people who play with BF usually a pretty willing to dirty their hands with gcc ;)
01:08:18 <kmc> but also you can get brainfuck interpreters in perl or python or ruby or javascript that runs right in your browser
01:08:34 <kmc> brainfuck may be one of the most-implemented programming languages in the world
01:09:14 <madbr> probability of implementation = 1 / complexity
01:14:29 <Sgeo> Currently need a non-browser-based implementation to play with PSOX though
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05:41:58 <Fiora> kmc: I feel really awkward, unlike channels like ##c I feel like I actually might know more about crypto than some of the people there <.<
05:42:38 <Bike> ##crypto? really?
05:43:23 <Fiora> it... doesn't really seem to have a lot of crypto experts ._.
05:43:58 <Fiora> I mean like maybe there's negatives to ##c like channels where it is like "let me hit you over the head with the spec"
05:44:14 <Fiora> but there's also "wouldn't it be a great idea to pick an image off the internet and use it as a one time pad for all my data"
05:44:33 <kmc> i dunno, so far I've been pleasantly surprised with ##crypto
05:44:48 <kmc> this is the first really clueless person and he/she doesn't seem to be serious about these bad ideas
05:44:55 <kmc> just exploring what the ramifications would be
05:44:57 <kmc> which is fine
05:45:12 <Fiora> I guess so people have beaten me over the head less for being clueless so maybe it's not as bad
05:45:30 <Bike> clearly fiora's an elitist
05:45:53 <Fiora> I am just spoiled and want to stare starry-eyed at the people who do things like differential cryptanalysis
05:45:58 <Fiora> while I understand nothing they say
05:48:43 <Fiora> um. what does one call it if one is like. half elitist. like you want to be around people way better than you <.<
05:49:27 <Fiora> that I can't I can't argue with that
05:49:29 <Bike> it's true! you latch on to Cool People and maybe occasionally get disdainful of the lesser beings!
05:55:38 <Fiora> this is all me being a dumb fangirl sorry
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06:12:01 <fizzie> Fiora: You should go camp out in front of a NSA building with binoculars.
06:12:07 <fizzie> Fiora: I'm sure they won't take it the wrong way.
06:12:25 <Fiora> that's not what I mean >_<
06:12:36 <fizzie> You'd get to see cryptites.
06:12:42 <fizzie> (Cryptography people.)
06:14:03 <fizzie> We have a real cryptographer (read: someone who's got something named after her) teaching the crypto courses here. Or at least had. I think we still do.
06:14:15 <fizzie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaisa_Nyberg <-- see, notable.
06:14:26 <fizzie> "-- perfect nonlinear S-boxes (now known as Nyberg S-boxes) --"
06:15:13 <fizzie> And the KN-Cipher, by Nyberg and Knudsen, I strongly suspect the names are relevant there too.
06:16:37 <Fiora> "provably secure", interesting
06:16:45 <fizzie> Also I think she's the lecturer who publishes exam answers, AES-128'd, before the exams.
06:16:52 <fizzie> At least one of them crypto people did.
06:16:58 <Fiora> that's... that's evil and wonderful
06:17:25 <fizzie> I think it's kind of like a "jest". (Maybe they're not even the right answers? Who knows.)
06:19:30 <fizzie> It just dawned on me that I don't have a (working) key to the classroom where I'm supposed to give a lecture. I hope there's someone around nearby who does.
06:21:02 <Bike> is your lecture about key exchange
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06:26:15 <fizzie> That would be too appropriate.
06:26:47 <fizzie> No, it's (mostly) about variational methods for approximate inference with probabilistic models.
06:26:59 <fizzie> I'm sure you can fit some sort of a pun in that, too.
06:27:23 <fizzie> Like, we'll be approximating being in the classroom with a solution constrained to the hallways.
06:27:41 <fizzie> And the minimum KL divergence is at the door.
06:27:46 <fizzie> There, that wasn't even very hard.
06:27:57 <kmc> do an impromptu pre-lecture on lockpicking
06:28:37 <fizzie> "Here's a lock. If you knew how to, you could pick it. As it is, does anyone have a brick?" (It's a mostly-glass door, IIRC.)
06:29:29 <fizzie> Last time I showed the electronic half of the lock my keycard, it started blinking in a red-green-red-green-... pattern, but didn't open. I'm not quite sure what it wanted to say.
06:29:42 <fizzie> "Eh, I could almost let you in, but maybe not," possibly.
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08:31:25 <fizzie> I think I'm starting to get the absent-mindedness thing down pretty well: I just walked out of the classroom with the projector remote.
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11:23:17 * Sgeo facepalms http://www.reddit.com/r/ideasfortheadmins/comments/1d55zs/is_it_time_to_migrate_reddit_to_c_native_code_i/
11:25:05 <fizzie> I think it's intellectually dishonest that the URL says "c_native_code" when it was in reality C++.
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11:27:06 <shachaf> how is "onegin" pronounced
11:27:11 <ThatOtherPerson> Does reddit have technology limitations against +'s in URLs?
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12:17:27 <fizzie> The world has limitations against +'s, in that + is sometimes a .
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14:21:55 <Taneb> Should I upgrade Ubuntu
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14:25:22 <Taneb> 13.04 came out earlier this week
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14:29:38 <Taneb> The answer to the answer is I'm on Ubuntu now and things go wrong when I try to change things so I'm stuck
14:30:31 <boily> the answer to the answer to the answer is good morning all!
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14:33:46 <boily> say, is anyone of you in ottawa?
14:34:10 <Jafet> Upgrading Ubuntu is simple and easy: echo 'deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ unstable main' > /etc/apt/sources.list
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14:35:15 <Taneb> Jafet: that sounds worryingly like only doing what I want in the literal sense, while not actually giving me what I want
14:38:19 <Taneb> Indeed, it sounds very much like switching to Debian
14:40:31 <elliott> Taneb: doesn't upgrading count as changing things
14:40:52 <Taneb> But I've somehow already messed up my computer
14:41:11 <Taneb> So if I mess it up even more it may go full circle and be not messed up
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14:56:34 <elliott> where is monqy when you need him
14:57:58 <ais523> fwiw, switching sources from ubuntu to debian doesn't go cleanly at all
15:00:14 <boily> elliott: monqy is not in ottawa, therefore he is not useful now.
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15:01:57 <elliott> boily: are you saying you know Coq?
15:02:02 <elliott> I guess that makes sense, given that you're French
15:03:19 <boily> elliott: no, I don't know Coq. theoremy software scares me.
15:04:10 <Jafet> canadians on computers
15:05:53 <boily> that, too, scares me.
15:07:55 <Jafet> constructivism of quebec
15:09:17 <boily> eh? that's possible?
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15:12:37 <Jafet> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slymenstra_Hymen
15:14:18 <Jafet> “"My Girly Ways," on We Kill Everything, returns to a more metal-based sound as she sings about reviving character Scroda Moon, so that he may assemble a tablet and stop Gwar's Cosmic Master from destroying the universe.”
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16:18:23 <Taneb> I'm bored and thirsty for knowledge. Anyone willing to explain how bitcoin works?
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16:21:50 <ThatOtherPerson> Bitcoin seems really fascinating from what I've seen about it
16:28:08 <kmc> Taneb: i can explain
16:28:23 <kmc> i can explain the basics in probably fewer words than that paper
16:28:36 <kmc> but you should still read the paper
16:29:11 <Taneb> I'm reading the paper
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16:29:20 <Taneb> Could you answer questions once I've done?
16:30:20 <kmc> depends on the questions but i will try
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16:38:13 <Taneb> Well, the only thing that was making me think "bitcoin can't possibly workd" has turned out to be false
16:43:46 <Taneb> Basically, I had made a huge mistake about how bitcoin works
16:46:00 <fizzie> I wrote a curl-perl oneliner to check the current mtgoxUSD average rate, once, for a HackEgo `bitcoin command, but it didn't work, due to the proxy saying 403. I suppose there's maybe a whitelist or something? (Given that google.com works.)
16:46:22 <fizzie> fungot: Could you check bitcoin prices for me, please?
16:46:23 <fungot> fizzie: hmm. i think. sorry about that ais523 doesn't like his name revealed to the public?
16:46:56 <fizzie> fungot: That might be true, but it hardly has anything to do with bitcoins.
16:46:57 <fungot> fizzie: z0d wow. i'd program in perl are probably very clueless. joel said that? ( can try avoid buying it.
16:47:18 <fizzie> Sage advice regarding bitcoins: "can try avoid buying it".
16:47:20 <AnotherTest> fizzie: I did that once (it used python's urllib tho) and it worked fine
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16:47:44 <fizzie> AnotherTest: I think the web-access situation has also changed now and then.
16:48:27 <AnotherTest> fizzie: they might block out certain user agents?
16:49:41 <ThatOtherPerson> fizzie: also, HackEgo's internet access is a little weird sometimes, it seems
16:50:53 <HackEgo> --2013-04-26 16:50:52-- http://www.google.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... failed: Connection refused.
16:51:07 <HackEgo> --2013-04-26 16:51:06-- http://www.github.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden \ 2013-04-26 16:51:06 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
16:51:42 <HackEgo> bash: whet: command not found
16:51:54 <HackEgo> --2013-04-26 16:51:53-- http://mtgox.com/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... 403 Forbidden \ 2013-04-26 16:51:53 ERROR 403: Forbidden.
16:52:21 <Taneb> It sounds like a problem on Gregor's end
16:52:36 <HackEgo> 2013-04-26 16:52:35 URL:http://www.github.co/ [1233/1233] -> "index.html.1" [1]
16:52:40 <HackEgo> 2013-04-26 16:52:39 URL:https://github.com/ [10571/10571] -> "index.html.2" [1]
16:53:04 <Gregor> The proxy has a whitelist of allowed domains.
16:53:12 <ThatOtherPerson> it has something to do with whatever sandboxing HackEgo has
16:53:14 <HackEgo> --2013-04-26 16:52:51-- http://esolangs.org/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... No data received. \ Retrying. \ \ --2013-04-26 16:52:52-- (try: 2) http://esolangs.org/ \ Connecting to 127.0.0.1:3128... connected. \ Proxy request sent, awaiting response... No data received. \ Retrying. \ \
17:00:51 <fizzie> AnotherTest: It's HackEgo's own, local proxy.
17:01:02 <fizzie> Oh, The Man answered already.
17:01:14 <fizzie> (I did guesstimate a whitelist.)
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18:31:50 <boily> @messages, I said.
18:31:50 <lambdabot> Maybe you meant: messages messages?
18:31:58 <Taneb> @tell zzo38 that sucks
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18:32:45 <zzo38> ?messages No I meant messages!
18:32:54 <zzo38> I didn't mean messages?
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19:12:20 <oerjan> <ais523> also, if "truth" and "beauty" aren't names for sorts of quarks yet, they should be <-- i believe the names have been used, but officially they chickened out and made them top and bottom instead.
19:13:17 <elliott> wait, why would ais523 even have that thought if he didn't already know they were?
19:13:28 <oerjan> elliott: heck if i know
19:13:30 <ais523> elliott: I might have subconciously known it
19:15:05 <zzo38> Yes, "truth" is the same as "top" quark, and "beauty" is the same as "bottom" quark, so, they are name of quarks
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19:19:05 <oerjan> <SgeoN1> Sorry if someone else did ot <-- APOLOGY ACCEPTED
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20:13:36 <elliott> i like to imagine mezozoic is pronounced mezo-zwoir
20:21:29 <olsner> how does oic become woir?
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21:11:26 <pikhq> The wake for coppro will be held at all hours of the day, in irc://irc.freenode.net/#esoteric .
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21:29:58 <FireFly> fungot: what's your commentary of the situation?
21:29:59 <fungot> FireFly: hey that's cool... have found 6 streaming trance stations so far? are you gonna write a whole new meaning to losing one's virginity. not printing.
21:30:17 <fungot> FireFly: i'm really dying of fatigue and general malaise here, haven't even done anything today ( except for things like call/ cc
21:30:49 <FireFly> I hope coppro didn't die of fatigue
21:32:00 <fizzie> "haven't even done anything today except some call/cc".
21:32:30 <fizzie> Also good example of artificial sympathy for the initial reply.
21:32:39 <fizzie> fungot: I need to teach you some manners.
21:32:39 <fungot> fizzie: if you believe steele, java spec co-author, http://people.csail.mit.edu/ gregs/ ll1-discuss-archive-html/ fnord
21:34:39 <FireFly> fungot: I hear he's a fun guy
21:34:39 <fungot> FireFly: there must be like " fnord" at http://paste.lisp.org/ display/ fnord
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21:36:16 <fizzie> That sounds like a good URL for a fnord.
21:37:26 <fungot> olsner: well it's not compiling with current guile, i believe. at least my queue is too long, http://tinyurl.com/ fnord also too much?
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21:46:22 <coppro> I'm disappointed. You guys didn't even topic my departure :(
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21:46:41 <olsner> coppro: what departure? you're still here
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21:48:29 <pikhq> coppro: I dispute that.
21:49:56 <coppro> pikhq: but you also don't dispute it, so I win
21:55:52 <olsner> I would like to know what fungot thinks about this
21:55:53 <fungot> olsner: what do the x's and d's mean? so if b is 1, read rest as number and we're done with it
21:57:20 <kmc> haven't even done anything today ( except for things like call/cc )
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22:51:34 <zzo38> It seems that there are at least three other users on Wikipedia who use Plain TeX.
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22:54:47 <nooodl> zzo38: why do you use plain tex?
22:56:48 <zzo38> It is more portable than any other programming language. I also think it is a better quality than LaTeX and ConTeXt.
23:05:31 <Bike> are you in space
23:07:33 <Phantom__Hoover> double whoah: there were 3 for a while and then there were 2 later
23:08:19 <Bike> what happened to the one
23:08:38 <Bike> oh. well it was probably a jerk anyway
23:17:10 <zzo38> There seems at least two other Wikipedia users who play monster characters in Dungeons&Dragons game.
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23:50:15 <Sgeo> I... guess I can learn CSS without becoming a designer
23:50:35 <Bike> nope you're doomed
23:51:12 <Koen_> Sgeo: how's your new job?
23:51:38 <Sgeo> I hate writing 4 lines of code for what would be half a line in another languag
23:52:00 <Koen_> I see you like your new keyboard
23:52:07 <Bike> i hate writing four lines of english for what would be one line in english
23:52:08 <mnoqy> what did you expect
23:52:30 <shachaf> Bike: only one of those 4 lines was english
23:52:42 <zzo38> I made up two new Wikipedia userboxes.
23:52:45 <Bike> i hate writing four lines of gibberish etc
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23:55:55 <kmc> zzo38: which are they?
23:56:12 <Bike> http://www.mta.ca/~rhudson/papers/turku.htm more importantly
23:56:19 <kmc> Sgeo: it is a syntax error to write CSS while not wearing a black turtleneck
23:59:34 <Sgeo> Can setting font size to 1em have any effect?
23:59:50 <Sgeo> Why is an em the width of an m, and not, say, just a multiplier