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02:40:24 <shachaf> kmc: http://hpaste.org/86610
02:41:19 <kmc> yes, I agree, you should be required to put your 'do' statements on the next line
02:41:54 <Bike> http://www.moreright.net/
02:41:54 <shachaf> I don't think that was *quite* the point of that paste...
02:42:07 <kmc> shachaf: did you see http://sprunge.us/AcVL
02:42:28 <shachaf> From now on I'm going to indent all my code with poetry, rather than tabs or spaces.
02:42:46 <Bike> so... what's the problem with the first paste exactly
02:43:40 <shachaf> Bike: it's indenting with comments, that's all
02:45:12 <shachaf> kmc: That's not too surprising.
02:45:17 <Sgeo> Those statements wouldn't have to line up anyway...
02:45:40 <kmc> it's not surprising, just terribad
02:45:46 <kmc> (re switch/if)
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02:46:46 <Sgeo> Is moreright a parody of lesswrong?
02:46:57 <Bike> Not intentionally.
02:47:20 <Bike> It's a splinter group of less wrong, because less wrong was too liberal for 'em.
02:49:20 <kmc> los phygos
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02:50:38 <Sgeo> I once knew someone who's name perfectly fits a scheme for Lojban gismu
02:50:45 <Sgeo> (Is gismu the word I'm looking for?)
02:51:24 <Bike> does anyone here actually... know lojban?
02:51:32 <Bike> also, fitting a constant-vowel pattern doesn't seem that weird?
02:51:50 <Sgeo> tswett used to like Lojban I think
02:51:57 <Sgeo> I know a little, not much
02:56:16 <Sgeo> http://longplayer.org/what/overview.php
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05:06:22 <kmc> first time i have read the bible it had struck me as unwitty i think it may start a rumor that the lord ain't got no humor
05:06:47 <kmc> put me inside SSC, let's test superstring theory
05:07:07 <kmc> ay yi yi yi, accelerating protons, i stir it twice, and then just add me
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05:39:51 <shachaf> kmc: some of the bible is pretty funny
05:40:26 <shachaf> i was talking to someone and they were saying that the story of samson isn't funny
05:40:59 <kmc> i don't know about this one
05:41:20 <kmc> "Samson had two vulnerabilities, however: his attraction to untrustworthy women and his hair, without which he was powerless."
05:41:34 <kmc> "Why can't I have money and hair and him nothing?"
05:41:43 <Bike> that about sums it up yeah
05:41:54 <Bike> also: i'd nominate zipporah at the inn myself
05:42:08 <pikhq> shachaf: When you're inside a religious context, the humor is hard to see.
05:42:55 <kmc> 'The Angel of the Lord then ascended up into the sky in the fire revealing that it had been God in angelic form, as the Angel of the Lord and "an" angel are two different things. This was such dramatic evidence as to the nature of the Messenger, that Manoah feared for his life, as it has been said that no-one can live after seeing God; however, his wife soon convinced him that if God planned to slay them, he would never have revealed
05:43:04 <kmc> wikipedia summaries of bible stories
05:43:07 <kmc> ladies and gentlemen
05:43:53 <shachaf> so the secret to his strength is that he never cuts his hair
05:44:15 <kmc> shachaf: should i get new glasses that aren't bent
05:44:22 <kmc> before i 'interview' for 'jobs'
05:44:36 <shachaf> oh boy are you 'interviewing' for 'jobs'
05:44:49 <kmc> don't know
05:45:04 <shachaf> do people pay attention to whether your glasses are bent
05:45:05 <kmc> i haven't emailed people yet
05:45:10 <kmc> maypbe they do!!!!!!!
05:45:12 * shachaf isn't an expert in all this interviewing business
05:45:18 <Bike> That would be kinda funny, if you got interviews but they didn't tell you where the interviewers were.
05:45:54 <kmc> i haven't started the process yet
05:45:55 <shachaf> anyway, delilah asks him "what's the secret of your strength" and he says "if you tie me up with so-and-so ropes, my strength will go away"
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05:46:12 <shachaf> so she ties him up with so-and-so ropes
05:46:25 <Bike> "delilah, you got some 'splainin' to do!"
05:46:34 <shachaf> then she asks him again, and he tells her, ok, you have to use such-and-such ropes, and she does that
05:46:57 <shachaf> then she keeps asking him and he says "if you tie my hair up in such-and-such way then my strength will go away"
05:47:01 <shachaf> and she does that, and it doesn't work
05:47:15 <shachaf> and then she asks him again and he tells her the truth??
05:47:30 <Bike> It's stories like that that make me wonder if whatshisname wasn't on to something about the old testament being written by pre-behaviorally-modern humans.
05:47:56 <Bike> behaviorally-premodern. i got this. i'm a scientist
05:48:26 <shachaf> kmc: if your eyes are only medium-bad you could interview without glasses
05:49:26 <shachaf> wait, are glasses supposed to make you look smarter "important interview point"
05:49:49 <shachaf> maybe bent glasses make you look even smarter
05:50:18 <shachaf> kmc: where are you going to interview
05:50:56 <pikhq> Bike: What about that makes you think it's pre-modern?
05:51:17 <Bike> pikhq: The way it's fucking stupid, basically.
05:51:21 <kmc> shachaf: I think I will email Mozilla and also Matasano!
05:51:30 <kmc> we will see if either thinks I am good enough for an 'interview'
05:51:52 <Bike> (or, barely more seriously, it's very repetitive)
05:52:10 <kmc> would be interested to hear about any other places in SF area to which I should apply
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05:53:07 <shachaf> Well, if you're including Mountain View etc. then there are a bunch more places than just SF.
05:53:13 <kmc> that's true
05:53:13 <pikhq> Though it should be said, it seems the Old Testament is in some way connected to the religions of nearby cultures...
05:53:23 <kmc> i would really rather work in SF
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05:53:33 <kmc> but Matasano is in MV and sounds really cool¿
05:53:39 <pikhq> There's nice bits like "hmm, all the pantheon shows up, some of them as names of YHWH."
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05:53:53 <shachaf> i was at the stripe office today for bacat. nelhage works there so it must be cool right??
05:54:46 <kmc> what's a bacat? also yes
05:54:54 <shachaf> bay area categories and types
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05:58:22 <kmc> yes maybe I should apply to Stripe
06:00:47 <kmc> shachaf: twitter never answered me as to why they care if I like Firefly
06:01:42 <shachaf> Is this a "you must be similar to us to work here" sort of thing?
06:01:54 <Jafet> Is it ok if you like "The Avengers" instead
06:02:32 <kmc> yep https://twitter.com/jobs/positions?jvi=o0m7Wfw9,Job
06:03:00 <shachaf> Oh, *Linux Kernel Engineer*. That makes sense.
06:03:16 <shachaf> Every good Linux Kernel Engineer likes Firefly.
06:03:32 <Bike> The secret is that to understand Linux's code well, you have to unravel the comments, which are a net of technological tidbits hidden within Firefly references.
06:03:38 <kmc> see also http://depts.washington.edu/sibl/Publications/Cheryan,%20Plaut,%20Davies,%20&%20Steele%20(2009).pdf
06:03:41 <kmc> is what I said to them.
06:03:48 <shachaf> FireFly: i think FireFlys are p. cool
06:05:00 <Bike> kmc: You want us to read sixteen fucking pages to hire you?? think again bro!!!!
06:05:32 <kmc> broseraphim
06:05:40 <kmc> many-eyed broseraphim
06:05:59 <Bike> OK, wait, hold on.
06:06:11 <Bike> The university of BC has a "Department of Psychology and Computer Science"?
06:06:50 <Bike> is this some AI thing....
06:07:25 <shachaf> hey remember how slashdot had departments
06:08:14 <shachaf> are you spelling russian words in greek alphabets don't do that hth
06:08:35 <Jafet> “Further investigation revealed that the stereotypical broadcast a masculine stereotype that discouraged women’s sense of ambient belonging and subsequent interest in the environment but had no similar effect on men.”
06:08:36 <shachaf> because it looks like the hebrew cursive l
06:08:39 <ion> Department of Redundancy Department
06:08:54 <Jafet> This conclusion is unexpected
06:08:58 <kmc> hmmmmmmmm cursive hebrew is p. odd
06:09:07 <shachaf> i'm not sure if it's called cursive
06:09:12 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursive_Hebrew
06:09:14 <Bike> Hm, I guess it's part of the "Irving K. Barber School of Arts and Sciences"
06:09:21 <shachaf> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hebrew_letter_Lamed_handwriting.svg
06:09:29 <kmc> itt ambient belonging
06:09:40 <kmc> which letter
06:09:46 <ion> לx → x + 1
06:09:56 <Bike> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Warlord_era
06:11:06 <kmc> i was wondering, if there is any language which uses a well-known alphabet but assigns completely different sounds to each letter
06:11:23 <Jafet> kmc: you're using it
06:11:53 <lambdabot> ":-------------------------------------------------------------------------...
06:11:53 <Bike> You mean like, uses the Latin alpahbet but doesn't sound much like classical Latin?
06:12:05 <kmc> ok point taken, nerds
06:12:09 <Bike> Personally I'd look at well... anywhere in Asia.
06:12:13 <Bike> I mean have you seen Japanese.
06:12:20 <Bike> east asia, i should say
06:14:02 <kmc> WU. AMERICA!
06:14:18 <Bike> the cherokee alphabet is awesome and i will fight you if you disagree
06:14:48 <shachaf> Bike will fight you no matter what
06:14:49 <Bike> I guess it's a good example of what kmc's thinking of though.
06:14:57 <Bike> Since it was invented by an illiterate guy holy shit
06:15:01 <kmc> yeah, okay, this is p. much the perfect example
06:15:06 <kmc> of what I was thinking of though
06:15:10 <Bike> "welp just gonna invent writing"
06:15:17 <lifthrasiir> Bike: he became self-literate by self-designed script
06:15:21 <kmc> swag overload
06:15:22 <Bike> "don't worry i got this shit"
06:15:25 <shachaf> http://www.almightydad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/calvin-hobbes-bike-2.jpg
06:15:34 <shachaf> http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100805194802/candh/images/a/a2/Bike.gif
06:15:47 <shachaf> http://pacificpedaling.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/calvinbike.gif
06:16:06 <shachaf> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JSU4o4C7xr8/Tb7N9dFaqqI/AAAAAAAACuY/9RHle8IXMcE/s1600/calvin-bike.jpg
06:16:15 <kmc> itt bicycles are hard to lern?
06:16:36 <Bike> that boy ain't got shit on me
06:16:59 <shachaf> http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MTLuYsHo2uE/Rv7P4NFM9fI/AAAAAAAAAEA/KsTyY26-UDk/s400/calvin-bike1.jpg
06:17:10 <shachaf> OK Bike, listen up! I don't like you and you don't like me.
06:17:16 <Bike> I don't know much about the history of Cyrillic.
06:17:27 <Bike> Like I guess there was a Saint Cyril involved? ANd it's based on Byzantine Greek probably?
06:17:33 <kmc> all this ethanol is affecting my brain
06:17:37 <shachaf> But I've got the tools to reduce you to a pile of pipes, sprockets, and ball bearings! Do we understand each other?
06:17:46 <kmc> shachaf is the incredible machine
06:18:01 <shachaf> zomg the incredible machine
06:18:22 <kmc> shachaf: sounds like you need to download some slavic paleography texts from russian rapidshare!!!!!
06:19:02 <kmc> omgggggggg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O
06:19:08 <kmc> someone uploaded a better glyph
06:19:12 <kmc> with 10 eyes
06:19:16 <Bike> godspeed, someone.
06:19:18 <kmc> take that, unicode consortium
06:19:25 <Bike> fight the power. fight the consortium
06:19:37 <kmc> 12 codepoints guiltied to a zegnatronic rocket society
06:20:09 <kmc> серафими многоꙮчитїи
06:20:42 <Bike> itt kmc gets high and talks ortho
06:22:15 <shachaf> how drunk are you right now
06:22:42 <kmc> 'This work "opened the eyes of Belarusians to see themselves as a real nation" putting them (in the beginning of the 20th century) "unexpectedly at the head of all the Slavonic people in the scientific knowledge about their language"'
06:23:17 <Bike> things I know about belaurs: probably fucked during WWII?
06:23:36 <kmc> who wasn't
06:23:45 <kmc> answer: AMERICA!!!!!
06:24:20 <kmc> america: showing up late to every war, taking credit
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06:28:10 <Bike> British propaganda, in large part
06:28:29 <Bike> maybe Wilson's grandiose visions to some extent
06:29:20 <Bike> Yeah, the Lusitania was the direct cause.
06:29:28 <Jafet> What about the them
06:29:43 <shachaf> Jafet: HackEgo also has an entry for the THEM.
06:31:45 <ThatOtherPerson> When it comes to stupid wars, WWI has to be one of the stupidest.
06:32:11 <kmc> falklands war
06:32:39 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: Siachen Glacier.
06:33:52 <Bike> Everything about that area is pretty fantastically insane, really
06:33:57 <kmc> it's amazing how many times india and pakistan have gone to war without whipping out the nukes
06:34:23 <Bike> I think the secret is that even dumbassed hawks have to think "are we really gonna do it over a fucking glacier"
06:34:34 <ThatOtherPerson> Yeah, but at least they actually had something that they disagreed about and decide to kill each other because of it
06:35:07 <kmc> also you've reminded me of Shebaa farms
06:35:14 <Bike> «The 1972 Simla Agreement did not clearly mention who controlled the glacier, merely stating that from the NJ9842 location the boundary would proceed "thence north to the glaciers." UN officials presumed there would be no dispute between India and Pakistan over such a cold and barren region.»
06:35:23 <ThatOtherPerson> Instead of having nothing that they disagreed about and decide to kill each other because someone else killed someone else
06:35:24 <kmc> Syria and Lebanon agree that it's part of Lebanon but Israel claims that it's part of Syria under military occupation
06:35:51 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: well, treaties are important. and it had broader reasons than that.
06:36:01 <kmc> "Their conclusion was based on the facts that: a) some area residents paid taxes to Lebanon"
06:36:03 <Bike> Like "fucking slavs, die" for instance
06:36:04 <kmc> in ottoman era
06:36:11 <kmc> the most accurate records are the tax records
06:37:37 <Bike> I mean, saying "haha, archduke, let's kill twenty million" is funny and all, but people aren't actually that silly, they have other reasons.
06:40:04 <Bike> for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Wars wrt 'someone else killed someone else'
06:40:21 <kmc> stalin smiles and churchill laughs, hitler claps mao tse tung on the back
06:40:25 <ThatOtherPerson> If I recall correctly, the Balkan regions had been part of the Ottoman Empire, and had been wanting to be independent for years
06:40:47 <Bike> Yes, the Ottoman empire was full of nationalists.
06:40:54 <Bike> You can see the consequences today in the wonderful life of the Kurds
06:42:37 <kmc> how could ottoman empire even be nationalist
06:42:45 <kmc> when it's full of all kinds of strange & wonderful places
06:42:54 <ThatOtherPerson> I can understand that, it's just almost silly that the alliances blew up the conflict to such proportions
06:42:57 <Bike> Full of nationalists as in full of nationalists for strange and wonderful places, not for the ottoman empire.
06:43:10 <Bike> Or is that another song lyric
06:43:43 <Bike> ThatOtherPerson: it's not like russia and germany didn't already want a go at one another, I mean.
06:44:59 <Bike> If it makes you feel better, there were a couple wars in China that killed way more people that you've never heard of.
06:45:13 <Bike> And deaths from disease in WWI outstripped deaths from combat anyway.
06:47:10 <kmc> also there was an earthquake in china that killed 830,000 people in 1556
06:47:14 <Bike> Taiping Rebellion is pretty crazy really. Dude was like "Hey, you know what? Jesus!" And then Jesus. Also a couple dozen million people died.
06:47:43 <kmc> how do you even deal with such an event
06:47:46 <kmc> as a civilization
06:47:49 <Bike> Write Candide?
06:47:54 <kmc> how do you not just conclude that god hates you
06:48:01 <Bike> Oh, uh. Can't help you there.
06:48:01 <kmc> hmmmmmm good idea
06:48:06 <Bike> Since that's literally what Candide is about?
06:48:12 <Bike> "Earthquake. Guess God hates us."
06:49:45 <ThatOtherPerson> Part of the reason the driving here is so bad is because the people here say that they will die exactly when God wants them to die
06:50:21 <ThatOtherPerson> They have a word for it, "enshalah", which means "God willing"
06:50:41 <Bike> is it like 'allahu akbar'
06:50:51 <Bike> because i watch a lot of syrian videos and i swear they use it even more than i cuss
06:51:43 <ThatOtherPerson> My dad's argument against that is something like: "Well then, God must hate you, since you have a higher number of deaths from car accidents then nearly anywhere else"
06:52:56 <ThatOtherPerson> Bike: they don't say "Allahu Akbar (God is greatest)" that much, except maybe in religious ceremonies
06:53:19 <ThatOtherPerson> For example, you can hear them saying it during prayer call
06:53:45 <Bike> I mean a lot of the time it's in a context where i'd say something insightful like "oh shit" or "haha fuck yes!" or "oh god, oh god i'm going to die", but it seems like more than that.
06:54:41 <ThatOtherPerson> Bike: are said videos from religious leaders or highly religious people?
06:55:09 <Bike> Most of the videos I watch are about killing tanks or getting bombed and stuff.
06:55:21 <Bike> I mean, Syria's a different place from Saudi Arabia, obviously, I'm just wondering.
06:56:19 <ThatOtherPerson> One of the things that result from forcing an entire country's population to belong to a religion is that most people aren't very religious
06:57:37 <Bike> syria was socialist, i doubt they had that particular problem
06:58:53 <pikhq> ThatOtherPerson: They are religious to exactly the degree they're forced to, y'mean? :P
07:17:08 <Bike> *ten minutes of guitar feedback and screaming*
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07:43:50 <shachaf> oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burrows-Wheeler_Transform#Bijective_variant is really awful :'(
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07:59:33 <ThatOtherPerson> I think I have played more games over the last couple of days then I have ever played before in my life
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08:10:52 <kmc> shachaf: why
08:11:48 <shachaf> maybe the person who wrote it didn't care or didn't speak much english or who knows!!!!!!
08:22:59 <olsner> I find the BWT a bit mysterious and magical
08:23:18 <coppro> ThatOtherPerson: you should play Agora
08:23:23 <olsner> the burrows-wheeler transform
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08:29:56 <coppro> http://agoranomic.org/
08:30:50 <ThatOtherPerson> I played that once with some people from another IRC channel
08:31:46 <coppro> it's approaching its 20th birthday!
08:35:48 <coppro> yeah, so don't read them all
08:35:59 <coppro> just subscribe to the mailing lists, try to follow along
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08:48:26 <pikhq> It was rather fun when I was in it.
08:49:35 <coppro> pikhq: you should be in it more
08:50:23 <pikhq> Been dealing with personal shit. Alas.
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10:08:31 <impomatic> I should read up on BWT to see what's new.
10:09:08 <impomatic> I implemented it when DDJ published the article in the 90's.
10:10:46 <impomatic> DDJ used to be a decent magazine...
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14:18:40 <lambdabot> oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
14:20:04 <oerjan> @ask NihilistDandy Wait, what was that about?
14:20:32 <oerjan> maybe it's in the missing logs
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14:22:07 <oerjan> elliott: hm no it doesn't.
14:22:08 <shachaf> Now you won't see the things I said to you while you were away.
14:22:29 <oerjan> shachaf: how terrible, also GET A WIKIPEDIA ACCOUNT
14:22:39 <shachaf> oerjan: I HAVE A WIKIPEDIA ACCOUNT hth
14:22:53 <oerjan> well YSE UT FOR EDITNING
14:23:12 * oerjan thinks that was better with the tyos
14:24:33 <oerjan> <mnoqy> ugh now 49 isn't deleted, i bet <-- IT SHOULDN'T BE IT DIDN'T COME FROM A PROPER BATCH hth
14:24:57 <oerjan> @tell mnoqy <mnoqy> ugh now 49 isn't deleted, i bet <-- IT SHOULDN'T BE IT DIDN'T COME FROM A PROPER BATCH hth
14:25:37 <oerjan> the last quote deleted before the bots croaked hth
14:26:33 <shachaf> oerjan: what if i just promise to mentally append hth to everything you say
14:26:51 <oerjan> that would be awfully redundant hth
14:27:13 <shachaf> oerjan: then you could stop appending hth to everything you say hth
14:27:47 <oerjan> itt we aren't afraid of little acronyms afaik hth
14:29:16 <fizzie> The Heavy Transport Helicopter (HTH) is a program study into the European Heavy Lift Helicopter Program by Eurocopter.
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14:44:49 <fizzie> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130502-fungotg.flac that time of the day again
14:44:49 <fungot> fizzie: you! take! we find! just like crono! you had me so long to return to your era.
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14:52:37 <ThatOtherPerson> http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/05/02/Saudi-Arabia-says-five-dead-from-new-SARS-like-virus.html <-- well that is slightly disturbing ._.
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16:04:38 <shachaf> oerjan: coffee is bad for you hth
16:06:18 <Taneb> shachaf: it is quit coffee time
16:08:51 <Taneb> Is programming almost exclusively in Haskell bad for you?
16:10:33 <ThatOtherPerson> Well, programming languages with other programming styles than functional programming probably helps you think in different ways
16:10:51 <ThatOtherPerson> And vice versa, which is why I need to start learning Haskell sooner or later :P
16:12:50 <boily> Haskell is good for your brains.
16:19:33 <boily> it liquefies them and induces categorical thinking.
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16:46:34 <boily> ThatOtherPerson: once you're used to the sloshing every time you move around, that's no worse than having solid brains.
16:46:55 <boily> besides, you can put goldfish in your skull when the content's been liquefied.
16:47:01 <boily> lots of nutrients. good for the fishes.
16:47:25 <ThatOtherPerson> Of course, the brain is mainly liquid anyway, it's just that there's a little bit of lipids and whatnot holding it all in place.
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17:15:00 <fizzie> Taneb and Notch. Both have an "n". QED.
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18:20:47 <NihilistDandy> @tell oerjan Wolfram's Turing machine numbering was what that was about.
18:21:11 <lambdabot> NihilistDandy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it.
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18:38:59 <Taneb> DO ANY AIRLINES PROVIDE IN-FLIGHT INTERNET
18:39:26 <Taneb> Are you an airline
18:39:49 <Taneb> Gregor: can you give me an example of airline/price?
18:39:51 <Gregor> See http://www.gogoair.com/
18:40:00 <Lumpio-> any airline/ridiculously expensive
18:40:03 <Gregor> (I don't know of any other "brand", Gogo seems to be on plenty of my flights)
18:41:37 <fizzie> Norwegian has their own in-flight wifi on their flights.
18:42:21 <fizzie> http://www.norwegian.com/uk/travel-information/travel-services/wifi/
18:42:34 <fizzie> Doesn't mention prices. Possibly the reservation system has them.
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18:43:05 <fizzie> Possibly it's even without an extra fee, who knows.
18:43:12 <Taneb> You have satisfied my brother's curiosity
18:43:38 <fizzie> I hear Finnair is piloting the service at the moment, but they haven't rolled it out yet.
18:44:18 <fizzie> ("Finnair started testing on Wednesday, using wireless internet and tablet computers onboard one of its intercontinental Airbus A330 aeroplanes. The two-month trial will also examine how passengers use tablets during the flight.")
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18:44:43 <fizzie> (Wednesday == March 20th.)
18:45:19 <kmc> sometimes you can use it for free with iodine
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18:47:15 <fizzie> Lumpio-: On the other hand, I think Norwegian charges separately for all food, soft drinks, and everything else. (Except possibly water, I think.)
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18:49:48 <Gregor> On US-based airlines the norm is free soda or coffee and nothing else.
18:50:09 <Gregor> Food is almost never free, except maybe a bag of nuts or pretzels if you're lucky.
18:50:28 <kmc> you still get free food on long international flights
18:51:14 <fizzie> Finnair charges for... strong alcoholic drinks, I think. But the free food offerings have been scaled down for shorter flights.
18:51:26 <fizzie> There's also a difference between charter flights and scheduled flights.
18:51:49 <kmc> i took like a one hour flight from LHR to AMS on KLM and got a baguette with cheese!
18:51:52 <kmc> but then they lost my bags.
18:52:02 <kmc> bags > baguettes
18:52:13 <kmc> also that was in 2007
18:52:20 <kmc> long long ago
18:52:33 <fizzie> I got a bag of nuts and a glass of apple juice on the Seattle-Portland flight. And they also lost (well, didn't manage to get it on the plane in time, actually) my bags.
18:52:38 <fizzie> Bags > nuts, I suppose.
18:52:50 <fizzie> Though they came just an hour later on the next flight, so maybe it doesn't quite count as "lost".
18:53:29 <kmc> yeah mine came the next day
18:53:53 <fizzie> (The AMS-SEA flight was a bit late, so I had to run to catch the plane myself. Seattle airport was kind of moderately-biggish and slightly confusing.)
18:54:43 <Gregor> In all my many flights, my bags have never been lost or misplaced.
18:54:54 <Gregor> But then, I live a blessed life.
18:55:11 <boily> Gregor: you are voiced. of course your life is blessed.
18:55:12 <fizzie> Also the SEA-PDX leg was an Alaska Airlines flight, and something like 45 or 50 minutes. It was kind of silly.
18:55:50 <Gregor> fizzie: I not-infrequently have to take an ORD->IND flight as the last leg of travel. I live between the two airports.
18:56:27 <fizzie> Gregor: Can't you jump out of the plane midway there?
18:58:17 <Gregor> I could, but I doubt they'd redirect my bags.
18:58:44 <fizzie> You can first drop them off with their own little parachutes.
18:59:04 <Gregor> I'd have to break into the cargo compartment to do that tho.
19:00:41 <boily> can you access the cargo from the passengers' cabin?
19:01:52 <Taneb> Today I realised that my normal speaking voice is actually higher than my natural speaking voice
19:02:01 <Taneb> I'm really excited all the time
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19:24:58 <Gregor> Then you took lethargy to the knee?
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19:36:54 <quintopia> should i make a very narrow penis shaped thing back at you?
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19:43:06 <quintopia> i see that you've punctuated your doubling of the last shape i made
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19:51:33 <boily> quintopia: hi quintopia..
19:52:05 <boily> yeah. it's become a reflex to punctuate everything.
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19:58:21 <boily> what's your version?
19:59:13 <Taneb> The kind with the light that goes in computers or the kind that keeps mosquitoes out?
20:00:11 <fizzie> Be all different, go with tmux.
20:00:24 <quintopia> do you have a better version boily
20:00:26 <boily> fizzie: never managed to get tmux configured as I like.
20:00:36 <fizzie> I have the very same version of screen.
20:00:49 <boily> quintopia: I have 4.00.03, without that mysterious jw4.
20:01:12 <quintopia> fizzie: groups are broken in this version
20:01:37 <fizzie> "Support non-BMP utf8 characters": latest commit message from screen.git
20:02:15 <fizzie> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/screen.git
20:02:23 <fizzie> Lots of GNU things have gits there.
20:03:08 <fizzie> It's not a terribly active git, it seems.
20:05:45 <kmc> fizzie: woah
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20:09:54 <boily> the 0.12 tournament is coming up soon! I wonder if I'll get a win during it.
20:10:35 <elliott> boily: yo i just switched to #esoteric from ##crawl and you confused the fuck out of me
20:11:22 <boily> elliott: MWAH AH AH AH AH AH!
20:12:39 <elliott> ThatOtherPerson: a veritable shachaf eh
20:12:54 <kmc> hi elliott
20:15:30 <boily> a Canadian shachaf, eh?
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20:17:48 <Taneb> elliott: I believe ThatOtherPerson found this channel because I mentioned it elsewhere
20:18:12 <elliott> so if i mention #2,000 will he join it
20:18:30 <boily> channels can have commas in their names?
20:18:52 <elliott> freenode doesn't follow the standard, try it
20:19:01 <elliott> hey don't take my word for it, try /j #2,000
20:19:21 <elliott> if it sends JOIN #2,000 it parts every channel
20:19:36 <boily> if I /join 2,000, I end up in 2 and 000.
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20:20:31 <boily> /quit is not the same as /close. /quit is not the same as /close.
20:20:41 <kmc> boily hoily
20:21:09 <elliott> it's fun to stay at the y w m c
20:21:18 <ThatOtherPerson> elliott: Well, in general, if someone mentions a channel, I'll join it because I am curious and want to know everything.
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20:22:17 <boily> #myhovercraftisfullofeels
20:22:17 <kmc> ##animalsex
20:22:46 <kmc> ##howtodisposeofcorpses
20:22:58 <kmc> ##illegalfirearms
20:23:13 <kmc> (the joke is that PHP is worse than all of those things)
20:23:33 <kmc> i bet #php is an experience
20:23:36 <elliott> some channels freenode specifically directs you to a channel saying that they don't have a channel for that and you must be kidding
20:23:36 <kmc> i'm going to join #php now
20:23:47 <elliott> kmc: it used to be pretty bad
20:23:53 <kmc> if I'm not heard from in 24 hours, call the national guard
20:24:20 <kmc> la php no es buena para su salud
20:24:56 <quintopia> elliott: so like #childpron gets redirected i guess?
20:25:20 <elliott> quintopia: #gnaa does, dunno about any others
20:26:10 <Gregor> <kmc> ##animalsex // Too bad the animal sex lobby couldn't register an /official/ channel on Freenode?
20:26:34 <Bike> i clearly missed something
20:26:35 <Phantom__Hoover> it's actually just about animals having sex with each other
20:26:57 <kmc> like they do on the discovery channel
20:27:12 <Bike> a fascinating topic really
20:27:13 <quintopia> sexing animals can be quite difficult
20:27:23 <Bike> like, bone worms? them's some wacky shit.
20:27:32 <kmc> my girlfriend has a book on sexual reproduction in higher fungi
20:27:35 <kmc> it's v. strange
20:28:00 <kmc> also there are mushrooms growing in my front yard today
20:28:05 <elliott> kmc: she bought it to improve your sex life BURRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN
20:28:08 <kmc> not sure which kind, probably not edible
20:28:09 <Bike> http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-explains-how-they-get-all-those-cars-on-the,32288/ good president
20:28:19 <Bike> kmc: what makes a fungus higher?
20:28:27 <elliott> every time kmc says something there's a little thread in my brain that tries to work out how to turn it into a burn
20:28:30 <Bike> also yes fungus sex is pretty wack
20:28:35 <elliott> when i die it will be the last part to go out
20:28:58 <Gregor> I didn't realize that fungi reproduced sexually.
20:29:01 <Bike> i'm not sure my favorite fungi spore thing is the guns, or the soccer balls
20:29:14 <Bike> Gregor: it's not universal
20:29:15 <kmc> Bike: i think it means, like, macroscopic structured things rather than yeast and molds
20:29:18 <kmc> i'm not sure
20:29:24 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikarya gives a somewhat different definition
20:29:33 <Bike> interesting fungi
20:29:39 <kmc> yeast and molds are interesting!!!
20:29:41 <Bike> well, i guess slime molds are interesting too
20:29:45 <elliott> ok kmc's new tactic of ignoring my burns is upsettingly effective
20:29:51 <kmc> slime molds aren't fungi
20:29:58 <Bike> but they are awesome
20:30:01 <Gregor> Bike: I didn't realize that ANY fungi reproduced sexually.
20:30:07 <kmc> they can design road networks
20:30:07 <Gregor> I thought that was a plants-and-animals thing.
20:30:20 <Bike> Gregor: let me tell you about horizontal gene transfer!!!
20:30:35 <elliott> HELP #ESOTERIC BECAME ABOUT BIOLOGY WHEN I WASN'T LOOKING
20:30:44 <Bike> my influence is insidious and perfect
20:30:54 <Bike> also you... were looking, this entire time
20:30:57 <Phantom__Hoover> "Male Osedax are microscopic dwarfs that live as "harems" inside the lumen of the gelatinous tube that surrounds each female. An individual female can house hundreds of these males in her tube." there's a joke here but i can't quite see it
20:31:01 <Bike> unless you were typing all those burns without reading the screen?
20:31:11 <Bike> like, "well, i bet kmc said something about fungi"
20:31:17 <Bike> "it's that time of the day"
20:31:21 <Bike> "better insult him"
20:31:22 <elliott> i am "next level" like that
20:31:45 <Bike> Gregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mating_in_fungi please it incorporate in sexual escapades
20:31:48 <kmc> Gregor: most mushrooms produce spores which grow haploid organisms, and when two sexually compatible ones meet, they merge and the cell nuclei actually move around and you end up with cells that have two nuclei (!!)
20:31:56 <kmc> and then that can produce a fruiting body
20:32:09 <elliott> is there anything greater than !s in parentheses
20:32:22 <lambdabot> Ambiguous type variable `i0' in the constraint:
20:32:23 <Taneb> elliott: want to talk about not-biology
20:32:30 <Gregor> And us higher mammals just go sticking our penises places.
20:32:30 <kmc> > (!!) "goats" 3
20:32:33 <elliott> NO TANEB except maybe taneb
20:32:36 <Bike> wow that was terrible for three or four reasons
20:32:44 <elliott> all I want to talk about these days is dependent types I think
20:32:47 <elliott> not much else is interesting
20:33:04 <Taneb> Can you explain dependent types to me!
20:33:05 <elliott> oh i like that onion article re: whoever linked it, i just scrolled up and it's Bike
20:33:07 <Bike> you should write a really fucking stupid paper about how dependent types are relevant to what you imagine biology is
20:33:17 <elliott> actually i scrolled up and noticed it was bike before I typed "whoever linked it"
20:33:22 <Bike> cross-disciplinary work is all the rage
20:33:22 <elliott> but I had already decided to type that
20:33:36 <Taneb> Are they anything to do with type dependencies
20:33:38 <Bike> good to stick to your "whoever linked it"-related guns
20:33:54 <Bike> when a type and a natural love each other very much....
20:34:27 <elliott> Taneb: what is a type dependency
20:34:35 <Taneb> I think I made them up
20:34:51 <Taneb> Some combination of functional dependencies and type families maybe
20:35:01 <Bike> they don't have to be natural, but you start with the basics and then move up to the kinkiness
20:35:54 <elliott> Bike: have you fucking learned haskell yet, imo
20:36:06 <Bike> in... your opinion?
20:36:48 <Taneb> In your opinion have I learnt Haskell
20:36:50 <Bike> so you're asking, "Have you fucking learned haskell yet, in my opinion?"
20:37:12 <Bike> in which case i must answer negatively, because I don't think my haskell would ever be good enough for your fuckingn high standards.
20:37:16 <elliott> stop playing games and answer my question
20:37:21 <elliott> you cant avoid my judgement
20:37:30 <Bike> no i'm seriously confused here
20:37:39 <Bike> i mean like, i know basic haskell, i read lyah and stuff
20:37:45 <Bike> but is that good enough??
20:37:53 <elliott> how many programs have you written in haskell Bike!!!
20:38:15 <Bike> probably like, one
20:38:39 <Taneb> That's like maybe a twelth of the number of haskell programs I've written
20:38:52 <Bike> i am a month to taneb's year
20:39:01 <Bike> is that "good enough" for "elliott""?"
20:39:41 <elliott> anyway write some more you asshole
20:39:49 <elliott> ask and/or answer haskell questions on stack overflow
20:39:54 <elliott> something that shows me you're a haskell user
20:40:18 <Bike> why is this important
20:40:23 <Bike> i don't even have a stack overflow account?
20:40:36 <elliott> yeah you already told me you're underachieving, no need to repeat yourself
20:40:59 <elliott> i'm disappointed in you Bike but i feel that you could get better
20:41:05 <olsner> underachieving is great, leaves you lots of room to improve
20:41:07 <elliott> you just need to show me what you're made of
20:41:34 <Bike> mostly aluminum i think
20:41:48 <elliott> make that aluminium and haskell
20:42:08 <Bike> i heard haskell was made by mathematicians
20:42:09 <elliott> (please remember only nightly toil oxidates)
20:42:13 <Bike> and math is the language of the universe
20:42:19 <Bike> so really aren't we all haskell
20:42:21 <elliott> i heard you need to shut up and get coding
20:42:27 <elliott> hey how about write a patch for lens
20:42:28 <kmc> elliott management techniques
20:42:32 <elliott> have you read typeclassopedia
20:43:15 <Bike> dude it's boring
20:43:32 <Taneb> ThatOtherPerson: I think "aluminum" was originally a typo, just one that caught on in the US
20:43:47 <elliott> literally anything anyone has ever said about lisp
20:44:09 <elliott> generally this works easier if you cry btw
20:44:11 <Bike> no i mean like
20:44:13 <Bike> i get moods man
20:44:25 <Bike> right now i'm in a mood for pre-communist chinese history
20:44:28 <Bike> how do i use haskell for that
20:44:38 <elliott> consider the plight of the chinese people who did not even know haskell
20:44:43 <elliott> strive to not be like them
20:44:46 <elliott> strive to teach EVERY chinese person haskell
20:44:51 <elliott> step 1. become a haskell expert
20:44:59 <Bike> why is haskell important
20:45:03 <Bike> why do you care, why do i have to care
20:45:23 <kmc> because Real Programmers know haskell, duh
20:45:53 <Bike> i'm not even a programmer i'm just a guy who programs and has been scared the fuck out of the information industry by eerybody in it
20:46:06 <kmc> what about us
20:46:12 * kmc hopes he isn't scary
20:46:17 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: "Sir Humphry made a bit of a mess of naming this new element, at first spelling it alumium (this was in 1807) then changing it to aluminum, and finally settling on aluminium in 1812."
20:46:19 <FreeFull> Real programmers know all programming languages
20:46:37 <Bike> i don't mean that you're scary
20:46:41 <Phantom__Hoover> <Bike> right now i'm in a mood for pre-communist chinese history
20:46:41 <Bike> i mean you say "this fucking sucks" a lot
20:46:59 <ThatOtherPerson> Taneb: "Why are there two names? Sir Humphry Davy proposed the name aluminum, back before the element was officially discovered. However, the name 'aluminium' was adopted to conform with the -ium names of most other elements. In 1925, the American Chemical Society decided to go back to the original aluminum"
20:47:00 <Bike> well, i guess mostly the qing dynasty
20:47:07 <Bike> "only a few centuries"
20:47:09 <kmc> i complain about the culture of the loudest / most obnoxious parts of the industry
20:47:18 <kmc> but i've actually had pretty good luck avoiding that in my personal employment history
20:47:25 <kmc> it can be done
20:47:26 <Bike> i mean fiora has a cool job too
20:47:28 <elliott> Bike: i care because you do
20:47:32 <kmc> if you are good enough to be picky about where you work
20:47:32 <Bike> but those loud parts man, those loud parts
20:47:35 <Bike> i... don't care?
20:47:43 <elliott> Bike: can't get in the way of my ref sry
20:47:48 <elliott> anyway you care because i told you to
20:47:57 <Bike> fight the power
20:48:00 <kmc> i felt bad working at a web startup just by association with the web startup industry
20:48:19 <Bike> there can be multiple powers!
20:49:05 <Bike> that's why i'm fighting the powers
20:49:10 <Bike> how does it feel to be The Man elliott
20:49:58 <ThatOtherPerson> What if all this time Bike has actually been my bike in my garage?
20:50:36 <Bike> i'm a wardriver
20:50:45 <kmc> i used to be a warschoolbusrider
20:51:04 <ThatOtherPerson> Or maybe all the bikes in the world are merely manifestations of the being which we call Bike
20:51:19 <kmc> with my sharp zaurus and my Compact Flash wifi card
20:53:32 <quintopia> maybe there is only one Bike travelling forward and backward through time
20:53:51 <Bike> the one-bike universe theory
20:54:14 <Bike> Phantom__Hoover: http://25.media.tumblr.com/423658df012fb92564d411284b349e6e/tumblr_mlz3fgpiIS1rdbszlo1_1280.jpg
20:54:28 <Vorpal> kmc, what was the antenna quality on that?
20:55:27 <Vorpal> kmc, I would imagine a modern phone with 11n would work better, it could cover more frequencies for a start.
20:55:43 <kmc> this was 802.11b only
20:56:00 <kmc> g was fancy high tech at this point in time
20:56:04 <elliott> did you have to reconnect like everyfive seconds
20:56:15 <Vorpal> kmc, Btw, I noticed that several quite recent devices that *can* do more than 54 mbps (thus more than 11g) can still not detect my 5 GHz network.
20:56:33 <kmc> yeah I think there's 2.4 GHZ-only n hardware
20:56:35 <Vorpal> is supporting the 5 GHz band optional or something?
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20:56:43 <Vorpal> kmc, that is pretty stupid
20:56:49 <kmc> it's cheaper I guess?
20:56:55 <Vorpal> my laptop and my phone can both do 5 GHz though
20:59:02 <Vorpal> hm, I'm so used to 60 Hz on my phone now that I just can't stand old pre-4.1 Android devices any more.
20:59:32 <Vorpal> Had to deal with one yesterday, it was a nightmare.
21:00:13 <Bike> what, refresh rate?
21:01:09 <Vorpal> Bike, Android 4.1 and later uses vsync at 60 Hz throughout the system, including for input reading
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21:01:28 <Vorpal> this makes the experience much more smooth.
21:01:47 <Vorpal> After getting used to it, dealing with devices from before that time is just annoying
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21:02:46 <Vorpal> Oh, dropbox added two step auth now
21:02:57 <Vorpal> You can even use the google app for it
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21:07:08 <Bike> do you expect me to answer that in public
21:09:43 <Taneb> My plans to finally watch Supernatural have been scuppered by slow internet speeds
21:10:50 <elliott> what kind of euphemisms do bikes use for sex
21:11:38 <Bike> bikes don't have sex..........
21:12:12 <Bike> how do you think? we get built obviously
21:12:41 <Taneb> It's kind of like in that movie
21:16:04 <Taneb> Night, ThatOtherPerson
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21:27:01 <Taneb> Is there a way to sort of transfer a half-finished torrent to another computer
21:27:01 <Taneb> Like, "this computer should do this torrent for a bit"
21:27:09 <Taneb> "and then send everything back to that computer when that computer gets turned on again in the morning"
21:30:54 <boily> rtorrent does a hash check on files, then continues where it was left off, so you could do that, yes.
21:31:17 <Taneb> boily: could I do it via ssh with transmission-bt?
21:35:22 <boily> eeeeh, maybe. haven't used transmission that much, and always locally.
21:37:18 <Vorpal> Taneb, why not let it run on one computer?
21:37:30 <Taneb> Vorpal: I have to turn this computer off in a bit
21:37:53 <Vorpal> Taneb, presumably you would be able to sync using bittorrent though, that is what the protocol is for
21:38:06 <Vorpal> a giant distributed file syncing protocol.
21:38:26 <kmc> hm, I think there are some torrent clients that will pull chunks preferentially from local network machines
21:38:38 <kmc> so maybe it would be good enough to just run the client on both machines simultaneously :)
21:38:43 <Vorpal> ktorrent can do that iirc
21:40:05 <Vorpal> I personally use rtorrent these days though
21:41:09 <kmc> arrrrrrrrrtorrent
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21:47:57 <Taneb> I have a really cool system for turning my computer on remotely
21:48:20 <Taneb> It's called "message my brother on Facebook and ask him nicely"
21:51:01 <Bike> positively domotic.
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23:00:44 <kmc> ##php failed to provide any epic lulz (i think that's what the kids call it these days)
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23:11:27 <elliott> ask them if they have a problem, I hear this is an effective way to troll anybody!!!
23:12:52 <elliott> Phantom___Hoover: are you mad
23:13:43 <elliott> sounds like you have a problem
23:13:58 <Bike> ?detartsurf uoy era
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23:17:11 <kmc> now elliott has two problems
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