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00:00:01 <shachaf> possibly nice to live in too?? i wouldn't know
00:00:17 <Phantom_Hoover> edinburgh's quite nice because it's central enough not to be the back of beyond but small enough to not be overwhelming
00:02:04 <kmc> overall i enjoyed living in NYC
00:02:37 <elliott> http://theworstroom.tumblr.com/post/50288690923/union-square-manhattan-1000-00-i-am-looking http://theworstroom.tumblr.com/post/50280267918/upper-east-side-manhattan-1600-00-twin-bed
00:02:41 <elliott> good prices
00:03:00 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: i feel like i could probably live in edinburgh
00:03:03 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: is it more or less busy than newcastle
00:03:15 <kmc> i think most of these are illegal too
00:03:24 <Phantom_Hoover> more, i should think
00:03:46 <Bike> how do you even make a law against something as stupid as trying to encourage people to live in your closet
00:03:49 <Phantom_Hoover> i mean it's still the capital, there's plenty of actual /stuff/
00:04:25 <kmc> lexande's room had a sticker on the inside of the door with instructions to check with the landlord before posting it on craigslist
00:04:32 <kmc> regarding what one could and couldn't say
00:05:17 <kmc> he paid $1000/mo for a windowless closet above a nightclub that was named after and still bore the signange of a chinese erotic massage parlour
00:05:48 <kmc> but it was in lower manhattan steps from the subway
00:06:01 <Bike> long, sensual steps
00:06:22 <shachaf> zzo38: This game is hard!
00:06:22 <elliott> i seriously couldn't live in a room without a window
00:06:28 <elliott> or the size of a closet
00:06:30 <elliott> uuugh
00:06:43 <kmc> i lived in Battery Park City which is like... boring and nice
00:06:44 <shachaf> hey i live in a room without a window
00:06:48 <shachaf> "not recommended" hth
00:06:50 <elliott> i like houses
00:06:52 <elliott> with rooms
00:06:54 <elliott> and space
00:06:58 <elliott> and windows
00:07:00 <kmc> far away from stuff by lower manhattan standards, but still close enough that I could walk to work in TriBeCa
00:07:08 <kmc> and much cheaper than a few blocks east of there
00:07:25 <kmc> i hear they got a Shake Shack nearby after I left :/
00:07:25 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: hey there's plenty of stuff in newcastle!
00:07:32 <Phantom_Hoover> like what
00:07:36 <Phantom_Hoover> grimness?
00:10:48 <elliott> yes
00:11:50 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: i know for a fact you are going to use this against me at some point but i actually kind of like scotland
00:11:56 <elliott> (says the guy who has been there like two times in his life)
00:14:09 <zzo38> shachaf: Some of the rooms don't work; the game isn't complete.
00:14:18 <zzo38> All the rooms containing things do work though; try those.
00:14:25 <shachaf> zzo38: This game is confusing.
00:14:50 <zzo38> You can push F3 to save game, F9 to quick save (not ask for filename), and F4 and F10 to restore. You can also push R to reset.
00:15:00 <zzo38> Push ENTER to list your ammunition, keys, etc
00:15:03 <Phantom_Hoover> f5
00:15:07 <zzo38> shachaf: Yes, that is how it is called.
00:15:12 <Phantom_Hoover> f5 is for quicksave zzo
00:15:52 <zzo38> Phantom_Hoover: Not in MegaZeux. In MegaZeux, F5 is used to switch between high-bombs and low-bombs.
00:16:07 <zzo38> (If you don't have any bombs, it won't be useful to do so, however.)
00:16:08 <shachaf> zzo38 is telling the truth
00:16:22 <shachaf> I have some low-bombs in the place where Jesus saves.
00:16:37 <shachaf> Four bombs? Are you sure that is sufficient?
00:16:58 <Phantom_Hoover> i keep meaning to get some paint and add 'ctrl+s' to those jesus saves signs i see on the road to ireland
00:16:59 <zzo38> shachaf: Definitely. I have tested all of these levels.
00:17:23 <elliott> Phantom_Hoover: dont u mean C-x C-s
00:17:35 <elliott> alt. :wq
00:17:51 <Bike> passes to moses, SCORE <- congratulations you have been outjoked by bash.org
00:18:11 <zzo38> Jesus saves...and takes only half damage.
00:18:43 <mnoqy> ^W (w is for write??)
00:18:55 <Phantom_Hoover> Bike, i can't be expected to think up good material on the way to ireland
00:19:04 <mnoqy> btw dont do that........thats horrible.................can u believe how much of a nerd that would be
00:19:12 <zzo38> You can push F1 for some "non-descript play tips" and other information, much of which is simply wrong, though (I didn't write it, however).
00:19:45 <Bike> also i've never seen 'jesus saves' on a church sign, they always have low-key harmless jokes
00:19:54 <Bike> imo britain needs a sense of humor
00:21:06 <Phantom_Hoover> this isn't in churches
00:21:09 <shachaf> elliott: ZZ hth
00:21:15 <Phantom_Hoover> it's on random rocks etc.
00:21:18 <shachaf> (did you know ZZ saves and quits in vim????????????)
00:21:30 <elliott> i did
00:21:34 <zzo38> Currently, only the six passages near the south of the starting room works (so does the sign (represented by a brown uppercase gamma), though).
00:21:45 <shachaf> elliott: did you know it only saves if you've changed the file???????????
00:21:48 <shachaf> unlike :w which always saves
00:21:53 <elliott> sounds worse
00:22:00 <shachaf> sounds better hth
00:32:40 <zzo38> Did you solve any of these levels? Do you like the sign?
00:33:27 <shachaf> What sign?
00:33:40 <zzo38> The sign in the starting room of this game.
00:33:50 <zzo38> (The brown gamma sign)
00:34:15 <shachaf> It was too long to bother reading.
00:34:22 <zzo38> OK
00:34:29 <Bike> "Typical typesetting technology is a black box of layout algorithms fed by a markup language that might be Turing-Complete in the same way that felix catos (the common lolcat) is a draft animal."
00:35:16 <shachaf> zzo38: Now I read it.
00:35:19 <shachaf> zzo38: Good sign.
00:35:27 <shachaf> zzo38: What does S do?
00:35:30 <shachaf> What things can I type into it?
00:35:48 <zzo38> Type a number into it; it make sound effect.
00:36:36 <zzo38> (It is used mainly for testing and isn't necessary to play the game.)
00:38:06 <shachaf> zzo38: What does the ♥ do?
00:38:59 <quintopia> zzo38: what game?
00:38:59 <zzo38> shachaf: Increase the amount of your current hit points.
00:39:23 <zzo38> (Push ENTER to view your current hit points, ammunition, keys, etc)
00:39:30 <shachaf> What's that O that I can only move left and right?
00:40:27 <zzo38> It is just a special object for this level; that's all it does.
00:40:53 <quintopia> what game zzo38
00:40:57 <zzo38> The female sign is a key.
00:41:06 <zzo38> quintopia: The game "Potion of Confusing"
00:41:20 <quintopia> sounds playable
00:41:47 <zzo38> quintopia: Yes, but only the six southernmost passages; the other seven don't work. The sign does work, though.
00:42:20 <shachaf> this game should be called Potion of Difficult
00:42:23 <shachaf> it's very difficult
00:42:38 <Bike> It sounds like it's pretty confusing as well, though.
00:42:54 <Bike> It could be "Potion of Difficult and also Confuse", maybe.
00:43:17 <zzo38> Yes, it is difficult, especially if you don't how the objects in MegaZeux function. The help file doesn't really explain it very well either, but it can be seen by the source-codes of MegaZeux, if you want to (although, it isn't necessary to do so).
00:44:33 <shachaf> zzo38: What's the X + X + X + thing?
00:44:50 <zzo38> A mine; if you touch it, it will explode.
00:45:33 <shachaf> Aha, I got the key.
00:45:35 <zzo38> Note that simply collecting the key isn't sufficient; you have to collect the key and then leave, for it to count.
00:45:38 <shachaf> But I used all four bombs to ge tthere.
00:45:43 <shachaf> Am I stuck?
00:46:09 <zzo38> Yes. If you saved earlier, you can push F10 to restore, or if you didn't, just push R and go back to the main screen.
00:46:39 <zzo38> Another thing is that sensors can be pushed indirectly by things other than the player; only the player can stand on them.
00:47:26 <zzo38> The red faces that move back and forth are "runners"; they can be killed with bombs or bullets, and if they touch you you will get hurt and that also destroys the runner. Runners can also push and be pushed (but not directly by the player).
00:48:22 <shachaf> How can they be pushed?
00:48:58 <zzo38> Indirectly, by pushing another object that is pushed into that.
00:49:13 <shachaf> Why can I only move this O left and right?
00:49:25 <zzo38> It is a restriction of this level.
00:49:43 <zzo38> Furthermore, the "O" is incapable of being pushed indirectly or pushing things indirectly.
00:49:59 <shachaf> What does the sensor do?
00:50:34 <zzo38> In this level, nothing; it is only there for its standard properties (to be pushed indirectly, and for the player to stand on).
00:51:48 <zzo38> The arrows pointing two ways can be pushed only in the direction it points (unless it is blocked, of course); multiple things can be pushed at once. The squares are boxes and pushable in any direction. The triangles move in the direction they are pointing and push things, unless they are blocked.
00:52:18 <shachaf> What about that tunnel of lava?
00:52:21 <shachaf> I bet that's important.
00:53:08 <zzo38> You can walk on there if you have an energizer or a potion of fire walking. Otherwise, it kills you. Other objects cannot be pushed over it, although it is possible to shoot over lava (not in this level though; there is no ammunition in this level).
00:53:37 <shachaf> Are there energizers or potions of fire walking on this level?
00:53:38 <zzo38> (The small flashy circle is a energizer.)
00:53:41 <shachaf> Aha.
00:53:52 <shachaf> How do I get to it?
00:54:05 <zzo38> That is for you to figure out.
00:54:29 <zzo38> Something of note is that things *can* be pushed over lava if it is being pushed into something that is already on the same square of lava. This is important here.
00:55:00 <shachaf> How do I push enemies?
00:55:11 <zzo38> Only indirectly; I have told you.
00:55:34 <shachaf> What does indirectly mean?
00:55:44 <shachaf> Oh.
00:56:01 <shachaf> Hmm.
00:56:02 <zzo38> For a description of many of the objects, push F1, ALT+F1, "Mirth of Built-ins", but keep in mind that the document is full of lies (note that I didn't write it).
00:56:26 <zzo38> Indirectly means for example, if there are five boxes in a row, you can push one directly and the other ones in the way are being pushed indirectly.
00:57:06 <shachaf> Oh, you can't push things indirectly with the O.
00:57:22 <zzo38> Like I said, lit bombs can be pushed directly, and so can boxes and sliders (the arrows pointing in two directions); however, the heart, scroll, sensor, runners, and energizer can be pushed only indirectly.
00:57:40 <zzo38> shachaf: Yes. That is true.
00:57:44 <Sgeo_> If I just want a laptop to take into bed with me to view stuff on my desktop computer, should I get a Chromebook or are there cheaper?
00:57:48 <zzo38> The key can also be pushed indirectly.
00:58:17 <shachaf> I don't see any objects to push indirectly.
00:59:40 <zzo38> The only two objects on the board that can be directly pushed by the player: the two sliders. But remember, push the delete key to light a bomb on the square you are currently standing (it won't count down until you leave that square).
01:00:16 <shachaf> Oh.
01:00:20 <shachaf> I've been hurrying for no reason.
01:02:28 <shachaf> zzo38: So this Sensor thing is literally useless?
01:02:42 <zzo38> No. It is useful, for the properties I have described.
01:02:53 <zzo38> (The help file fails to mention those properties; it isn't very good.)
01:03:27 <shachaf> Which properties?
01:03:31 <zzo38> You can try a different level if you want to, as well.
01:03:47 <zzo38> The properties that the player can stand on it, while it can be indirectly pushed by other things.
01:04:25 <zzo38> If the sensor is standing on lava or ice, the player can stand on the sensor without being affected by the lava or ice.
01:04:40 <shachaf> OK.
01:04:45 <shachaf> But the player can't push it, right?
01:04:49 <zzo38> (But remember that things cannot be pushed onto lava uless there is already something there to be pushed out of the way.)
01:04:57 <zzo38> shachaf: Yes. (Well, not directly, anyways.)
01:05:12 <shachaf> But I have nothing to push it indirectly with!
01:05:22 <zzo38> You do; you just forgot about it!
01:05:35 <zzo38> Lit bombs can be pushed by the player.
01:05:50 <zzo38> (Lit bombs can also be pushed by other things.)
01:06:02 <shachaf> Ugh.
01:06:10 <shachaf> Does this involve being really fast about things?
01:06:13 <zzo38> (Actually, unlit bombs (there are none in this level) can be pushed by things other than the player)
01:06:24 <zzo38> shachaf: Yes. However, you can push F2 to adjust the game speed.
01:06:37 <zzo38> You can also save and restore at any time, any number of save files.
01:06:54 <shachaf> OK.
01:06:56 <shachaf> That's more like it.
01:09:53 <shachaf> Oops, now my bomb exploded the enemy.
01:10:02 <shachaf> You have to get the timing just right.
01:10:04 <shachaf> This is annoying.
01:10:20 <zzo38> This level has no potions, but if you find one that does (the other ones do), read "The Mirth of Built-ins" and scroll down to the "Potion and Ring Effects". However, the part about "effects are limited to the current room only" is untrue; healing, hurting, and invinco aren't the only ones that aren't limited to the current room.
01:11:58 <zzo38> The correct list of potions that aren't limited to the current room are: Health x10, Health x50, Poison, Blind, Lava Walker, Freeze Time, Wind, and Slow Time. The ones that *are* limited to the current room are: Blast, Kill Enemies, Detonate, Banish Dragons, Summon Dragons, and Avalanche.
01:12:05 <shachaf> zzo38: Every time I quick-restore it switches to high-strength bombs.
01:12:16 <zzo38> shachaf: Yes, that is a bug in MegaZeux.
01:12:35 <zzo38> It isn't too serious since you can push F5 or Insert to switch at any time.
01:13:15 <zzo38> (Also, the label "Dud" given in the help file for that potion effect is wrong; its actual label is "No Effect".)
01:13:42 <shachaf> Ugh.
01:13:53 <shachaf> Do I need one bomb to push the enemy and one bomb to push the sensor?
01:14:44 <shachaf> This requires too many reflexes for my aging fingers.
01:17:17 <zzo38> I do not remember exactly how it works, but I could figure out. You could also try a different level that doesn't have as many reflexes.
01:22:31 <shachaf> Which one?
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01:22:58 <zzo38> Perhaps try the brown one.
01:23:14 <zzo38> You should look at all of them though; what is easier for one person might be different for the other.
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01:24:33 <shachaf> "It's Fishy?"
01:24:34 <shachaf> ?
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01:24:37 <shachaf> That brown one?
01:24:41 <zzo38> Yes.
01:25:29 <zzo38> There are a few places where timing helps but very minor and you don't need combinations like the others; and you can slow it down if that would help (higher numbers are slower).
01:26:45 <shachaf> But this Wind potion kills me.
01:27:05 <zzo38> Most of the others aren't so bad either.
01:27:31 <zzo38> There is another path. Did you see it?
01:27:44 <shachaf> What does Kill Enemies do?
01:27:46 <zzo38> (You can reach the other side without collecting either potion.)
01:27:59 <shachaf> Is the other potion good?
01:28:10 <zzo38> Kill Enemies destroys the bears (O with two dots above), fish (alpha), dragon (section sign), and ghost (omega).
01:28:34 <zzo38> Which potion is good depends on circumstances; don't use them at the wrong time.
01:28:41 <shachaf> What does the Activate thing do?
01:29:14 <zzo38> Potions can be pushed indirectly. Bears, fish, and ghost can also be pushed indirectly, but none of them can push things by their own movement. Dragons can neither push nor be pushed.
01:29:37 <zzo38> If you step on and off the "Activate" thing, you should be able to see which object it controls.
01:30:35 <shachaf> Can I walk diagonally?
01:31:05 <zzo38> No. However, if you have a wind potion, the random movement and the directions you push stack, potentially allowing movement twice as fast.
01:31:36 <zzo38> (This also allows moving diagonally, but not "past other objects".)
01:32:27 <shachaf> How do I pick up a potion without drinking it?
01:32:45 <zzo38> You cannot do that in this game. However, remember that you can indirectly push them to the location where you need them.
01:34:19 <shachaf> I'm quitting this game.
01:35:08 <zzo38> The male signs are bombs. The diamonds are gems. The small yellow circle is a single coin. The dollar signs are bags of money.
01:35:19 <zzo38> The blue area with arrows are flowing water.
01:36:13 <zzo38> If you want to quit, push escape.
01:37:06 <zzo38> You can try the other game if you want to, which is already completely made, and has many funny stuff, although is still difficult.
01:37:25 <zzo38> (If you only want to read it, you may read a file I have made with all the text in the game.)
01:37:29 <shachaf> funny stuff like what?
01:39:21 <zzo38> Jokes about the Spanish Inquisition, and so on.
01:39:41 <shachaf> Jokes like what?
01:39:56 <shachaf> MenTaLguY... Do I know that name from Ruby things?
01:41:41 <shachaf> zzo38: How come you don't list Vivaldi in the Credits?
01:41:54 <zzo38> shachaf: I forgot.
01:42:09 <shachaf> zzo38: The other game is unplayable because every time I press H I get HELP
01:42:30 <shachaf> Oh, you also have other musics.
01:42:32 <zzo38> Oops, I forgot about that.
01:42:44 <zzo38> For the other musics, push space bar on title screen to select "module musics".
01:43:24 <Jafet> http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Pun-Pun_(3.5e_Optimized_Character_Build) “Behold Pun-Pun, the mighty kobold.”
01:43:36 <zzo38> You can disable or remap the help by doing: On the title screen, push F8 to load the editor, Push G. Select "global robot". Accept the name given. Scroll down to where the help screen is defined, it says something like : "keyh" on it. Change it to "keyg" or something else.
01:44:14 <zzo38> Jafet: I have seen that.
01:45:42 <shachaf> F8 does nothing.
01:47:14 <zzo38> There are two executables labeled "megazeux" and "mzxrun". You need the former, in order for the editor to work.
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02:09:49 <zzo38> gopher://zzo38computer.org:70/0misctext/ascmzxto This is the list of all texts in this game and in the sequel, just in case anyone is interested for any reason. (They aren't given in context; these are simply all the text strings in the game, in alphabetical order.)
02:10:57 <zzo38> (BIG_MONSTER is the good guy. The bad guy is MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER.)
02:11:38 <shachaf> Can I have it in http please?
02:12:30 <zzo38> http://zzo38computer.org/misc/ascmzxto_texts.txt
02:15:39 <zzo38> Line breaks within a text have been replaced by multiple spaces.
02:16:59 <shachaf> BIG_MONSTER: Hay! Don't do that, please! MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER: But, I have to take over the world and I have to kill that guy, please! BIG_MONSTER: I'm sorry, Dave, but I can't let you do that... MEDIUM_SIZE_MONSTER: Hay! How can you know my real first name?? I never tell *anyone*!! Now I have to make revenge on you, too, for that!
02:17:41 <Bike> is that real dialogue
02:17:53 <shachaf> it's zzo38 dialogue
02:18:04 <Bike> oh
02:18:33 <shachaf> B ike
02:18:41 <shachaf> Bi ke
02:18:43 <shachaf> Bik e
02:19:10 <shachaf> Boike
02:19:16 <shachaf> Hmm.
02:19:20 <shachaf> oBike
02:19:22 <shachaf> Boike
02:19:25 <shachaf> Bioke
02:19:30 <shachaf> Bikoe
02:19:32 <shachaf> Bikeo
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02:23:27 <lifthrasiir> shachaf: BWT?
02:23:38 <shachaf> no
02:26:48 <zzo38> Do you like the other of this?
02:37:53 <zzo38> THE ONLY TELEPHONE IN ALL OF HELL! LOCAL CALLS ONLY, PLEASE.
02:38:28 <shachaf> zzo38: The joke is that the telephone can only call other telephones in Hell, but there are no others, so it's useless, right?
02:38:55 <zzo38> Yes.
02:39:08 <zzo38> I suppose you can call yourself, but then the line will be busy.
02:51:03 <zzo38> Can you play Washizu Mahjong?
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02:58:49 <shachaf> Jafet: You remind me of the roaches in `olist.
02:58:59 <shachaf> Demon Cockroaches.
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03:12:05 <Sgeo_> Windows 98 apparently can still be purchased... for $77
03:12:07 <Sgeo_> Seems a bit much
03:12:14 <shachaf> Why?
03:12:17 <Bike> It's vintage.
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03:18:34 <Sgeo_> Maybe I just want to play with Windows <insert version here> Plus!
03:18:44 <shachaf> Microsoft Plus! For Kids
03:18:45 <shachaf> hth
03:18:49 <shachaf> i had that it was so good
03:21:25 <Sgeo_> I will keep searching until I see that screensaver again
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03:30:24 <Bike> `quote
03:30:26 <HackEgo> 156) <fizzie> I don't trust ducks. They always look like they're planning something. I'm not sure it's a good idea to give them language capabilities.
03:30:32 <Bike> `quote says that
03:30:34 <HackEgo> 997) <Bike> W A R N I N G. This source code follows transcomplex computational paths, even where more accurate, real, computational paths exist. <Bike> Y O U H A V E B E E N W A R N E D. <Bike> It literally says that
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03:31:15 <shachaf> `quote 1000
03:31:17 <HackEgo> 1000) <zzo38> It appears magenta in my computer only because it is programmed to display bold text as magenta.
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03:44:03 <hagb4rd2> ray manzarek is daed
03:44:28 <hagb4rd2> :(
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04:06:05 <elliott> Bike: why is russia so fucking big
04:06:36 <Bike> Because the Europeans that took it all over were never given a serious reason to stop.
04:06:58 <shachaf> I have a notes file on my cellular phone with a list of things to look up later.
04:07:02 <shachaf> One item in the list: "Syn"
04:07:03 <Bike> I mean, if you're a Russian noble, and dead people doesn't constitute a reason.
04:07:11 <Bike> the category of synners
04:07:13 <shachaf> I don't think this is about TCP.
04:07:47 <elliott> Bike: but it's so big.
04:08:05 <Bike> If it helps, there's, like, nothing in it.
04:08:16 <shachaf> Bike: i heard there was a big lake in it
04:08:39 <elliott> Bike: there's russia in it.
04:08:44 <Bike> the sakha republic is bigger than argentina but it has less than a million people in it.
04:09:52 <Bike> (that's not very many people considering that it is big)
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04:20:55 <Bike> so, everyone here should read "The Problem of Heads of a Fighting Force from Long Ago" at least
04:21:07 <shachaf> am i here
04:21:15 <elliott> imo the real problem of heads is that they're weird.
04:21:22 <elliott> especially necks
04:22:27 <Bike> If I've learned anything from Norse mythology it's that necks aren't part of heads.
04:22:45 <shachaf> hey Bike did you read _On Having No Head_ hth
04:23:01 <Bike> I read the excerpt in the thing. I forget if that was the whole thing or not though.
04:23:07 <shachaf> (There was an excerp in _The Mind's I_.)
04:23:11 <shachaf> t
04:23:18 <shachaf> It's not the whole thing. The whole thing is a book (though a short book).
04:23:30 <Bike> I haven't read that whole thing, then.
04:23:33 <Bike> Is it good?
04:23:37 <shachaf> I don't know.
04:23:43 <Bike> Darn.
04:23:46 <shachaf> But Raymond Smullyan is good. You should read that whole thing.
04:23:55 <Bike> I didn't think it was written by Smullyan...
04:24:01 <shachaf> It wasn't.
04:24:13 <shachaf> But Smullyan was also excerpted.
04:24:18 <zzo38> I once made a C program that includes the comment "not related to Mayan calendars". True or false?
04:24:26 <shachaf> zzo38: True.
04:24:30 <Bike> "Why should the brain be enclosed in a box composed of such numerous and such extraordinarily shaped pieces of bone, apparently representing vertebrae?" honest to god darwin quote, elliott
04:24:51 <elliott> Bike: why, indeed.
04:24:57 <zzo38> Darwin didn't know everything; everyone make a lot of mistakes.
04:25:00 <zzo38> That's why.
04:25:09 <Bike> he actually did know the answer to that one.
04:25:13 <Bike> it's still funny in isolation.
04:25:15 <shachaf> zzo38: I don't make any mistakes.
04:25:25 <zzo38> (Even Darwin make mistakes, and you, and me, and shachaf.)
04:25:42 <shachaf> zzo38: WRONG!
04:25:50 <shachaf> I guess everyone(except me) makes mistakes, though.
04:25:52 <shachaf> I'll forgive you.
04:25:55 <zzo38> His mistake is that one of the letters is printed with the wrong amount of ink.
04:26:27 <Bike> Wouldn't that be the publisher's mistake
04:26:58 <zzo38> O, yes, I suppose so.
04:29:55 <shachaf> Bike: have you seen _Sweeney Todd_ (the musical)
04:29:59 <Bike> nope.
04:30:08 <zzo38> Is there any chess someone managed to checkmate with a castling move?
04:31:47 <hubs> zzo38: http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1238144
04:32:08 <shachaf> Bike: why not
04:32:19 <Bike> I don't watch a lot of movies in general.
04:32:23 <shachaf> movie?
04:32:29 <shachaf> i wasn't talking about the movie
04:32:34 <shachaf> oh wait you don't even live in seattle
04:33:04 <Bike> I don't
04:38:22 <zzo38> hubs: 18. Qd1# seems the other one? Is there one that isn't the other way too?
04:39:52 <zzo38> If the b-pawn is omitted then it would seem castling is the only way, but that isn't how it was actually played.
04:40:03 <zzo38> O no wait.
04:40:16 <zzo38> Qd1 isn't checkmate.
04:40:38 <zzo38> And the b-pawn is irrelevant; only the d-pawn and f-pawn are important.
04:41:16 <zzo38> I think I meant Qd2 or something like that
04:41:28 <zzo38> Which still isn't checkmate, of course.
04:41:39 <zzo38> Neither is Qd3, which isn't a legal move.
04:43:12 <zzo38> Could white have still win using multiple moves if the f-pawn is omitted?
04:45:59 <zzo38> shachaf: Not quite... yes it is such a comment but it is really a part of another text. Can you understands its context from only these hint?
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04:58:13 <zzo38> Does GCC have a mode to avoid warnings related to redundancy if they are made up by macros?
05:02:06 <kmc> Novartis should have the stock symbol LSD
05:12:19 <Vorpal> zzo38, check the man page, there are a lot of flags to control warnings
05:13:03 <Vorpal> Doesn't GCC 4.8 even go the clang way of telling you which flag is relevant in the warning message?
05:13:46 <Vorpal> Yeah it does
05:15:01 <Vorpal> They really improved error reporting in GCC 4.8
05:15:27 <Vorpal> Hm even GCC 4.7 tells you which flag affects each warning
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05:16:10 <Vorpal> bbl
05:37:13 <shachaf> `quote INVISIBLE
05:37:15 <HackEgo> 37) <ehird> With enough crappiness a display can show you invisible pink unicorns. \ 1010) <fizzie> "May you live in INVISIBLE TIMES." --Old Chinese proverb. (It can look confusing when written with the proper Unicode.)
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07:44:03 <shachaf> mnoqy: hi
07:44:26 <mnoqy> hi
07:44:44 <shachaf> do you have any stories to tell
07:44:53 <olsner> no
07:45:11 <shachaf> ok then well maybe next -- HANG ON YOU'RE NOT MNOQY
07:45:15 <shachaf> frolsner
07:45:21 <shachaf> cholsner
07:45:27 <shachaf> lolsner
07:45:29 <shachaf> dolsner
07:45:57 <olsner> hachaf
07:46:25 <shachaf> grrolsner
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08:05:14 <fizzie> Pilsner.
08:05:25 <Snowyowl> delicious
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11:16:11 <nooodl^> hi shachaf I just finished reading your megazeux adventure
11:17:08 <nooodl^> very good
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11:42:29 <fizzie> My user account data-dump from this place has the field "personstatus: Elossa", where fi:Elossa is approximately en:Alive.
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11:43:48 <Deewiant> What kind of data-dump is that?
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11:44:26 <fizzie> Deewiant: I got it from CSC as a sign-up confirmation email.
11:44:53 <fizzie> Deewiant: It also says: "Osavaltio tai provinssi: $stateOrProvince$" (I didn't fill that field, so it apparently did not replace that template item).
11:45:48 <fizzie> And my HomeOrganizationType is urn:mace:terena.org:schac:homeOrganizationType:fi:university, which is certainly relevant for an end user.
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11:51:38 <Jafet> @tell shachaf the roaches in `olist
11:51:38 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
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12:16:55 <Snowyowl> `quote
12:16:58 <HackEgo> 461) <itidus20> software patents strike again <ais523_> that's got to be at least three times, now <ais523_> are they out yet?
12:17:28 <coppro> `quote
12:17:29 <HackEgo> 1021) <Bike> ◊_______________________◊ <elliott> help. <Phantom_Hoover> jesus christ elliott <Phantom_Hoover> apply pressure evenly when jamming eyes open
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12:49:02 <Snowyowl> `quote
12:49:04 <HackEgo> 932) <oerjan> maybe i was violated by a pole once
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12:51:08 <Jafet> Is that like being violated by a swede?
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12:57:12 <shachaf> @messages
12:57:12 <lambdabot> Jafet said 1h 5m 34s ago: the roaches in `olist
12:57:14 <shachaf> hi
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13:22:37 <Snowyowl> `quote
13:22:39 <HackEgo> 433) <monqy> beautiful summer / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
13:23:49 <Snowyowl> haikus are awesome / this one is missing something / fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
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13:44:04 <boily> `quote Snowyowl
13:44:06 <HackEgo> No output.
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13:44:23 <Snowyowl> do people even add new quotes these days?
13:45:11 <shachaf> The quote database is sealed against tampering until the lawsuit is over.
13:45:12 <boily> sometimes. there's been a purge recently.
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13:45:21 <boily> shachaf: lawsuit? what lawsuit?
13:45:39 <shachaf> boily: That information will be made available when the lawsuit is over.
13:46:04 <fizzie> `? lawsuit
13:46:06 <HackEgo> lawsuit? ¯\(°_o)/¯
13:49:58 <fizzie> `run hg log quotes | grep date: | head -n 1
13:50:00 <HackEgo> date: Mon May 20 20:25:36 2013 +0000
13:50:49 <Jafet> `quote lawsuit
13:50:50 <HackEgo> No output.
13:51:03 <Jafet> `quote suit
13:51:04 <HackEgo> 79) <vadim> it can be a good fursuit, but the good thing is that nobody can complain a fox doesn't have the right skin tone
13:51:12 <fizzie> No lawsuits, just fursuits.
13:51:24 <shachaf> furious lawsuit
13:51:34 <shachaf> It's like a spurious lawsuit, but much angrier.
13:51:35 <fizzie> Lawful fursuits.
13:51:47 <Jafet> Lawfursuits
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16:54:17 <boily> one page of dis-re-connects from sivoais later, the sudden outburst of furreality tapered off in the sidereal void.
16:55:11 <boily> in that golden age of angrysuits, one could have believed we achieved a permanent state of Fridayness. alas, as everything good and unreal, it came to a brutal, slow end.
16:56:23 <boily> that can of nước yến ngân nhĩ is too small. not enough white fungus.
16:56:50 <mnoqy> good question
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17:01:38 <fizzie> Not enough white fungot.
17:01:38 <fungot> fizzie: please to to on the central desk, the board of the president of the problems the accounting the globe on november is fast, fun and free...emazing greetings are the cool.
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17:57:16 <elliott> is the wiki broken or just quiet...
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18:19:39 <boily> not quiet enough, yo.
18:22:26 <quintopia> hi boily
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18:24:56 <boily> hi quintopia
18:25:12 <quintopia> wow look at the time
18:26:06 <boily> @localtime quintopia
18:26:07 <lambdabot> Local time for quintopia is Tue May 21 14:26:06 2013
18:26:24 <boily> we're in the same timezone, you midfternooner.
18:27:15 <quintopia> did...did you just call me a midafternooner?
18:27:22 * quintopia gets the rifle
18:27:53 * boily gets the cuttlefishield
18:28:32 <boily> btw, I don't have your approximate coordinates nor body weigh.
18:29:14 <boily> (for the record, elliott still has the most inappropriate coordinates, listed in my file as: “72⅛”.)
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18:32:05 <elliott> I'm sorry that you are not truly ready for my coordinate system
18:33:58 <Bike> is hexham a coordinate
18:34:28 <elliott> hexham is and isn't.
18:34:34 <Bike> Whoa
18:37:38 <kmc> maybe it's more of a contraordinate
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19:03:55 <oerjan> <Jafet> Is that like being violated by a swede? <-- no, it's a singularly complex experience hth
19:04:33 * oerjan cannot recall the original context, anyway, but suspects it was a similar pun
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19:07:51 <oerjan> <fizzie> No lawsuits, just fursuits. <-- a noble pursuit?
19:10:08 <fizzie> oerjan: Just as a jesuit.
19:10:33 <oerjan> sweet
19:10:59 <fizzie> I was trying to write "ask" instead of "as", actually.
19:11:04 <Bike> huh, ddo those rhyme for you?
19:11:56 <oerjan> <quintopia> did...did you just call me a midafternooner? <-- no he didn't. please pay attention to spelling in this channel. also, what's a fternoon?
19:12:20 <Bike> a danish delicacy
19:12:33 <oerjan> Bike: i don't think jesuit rhymes with the rest.
19:12:56 <oerjan> and pursuit has different stress, doesn't it
19:14:26 <oerjan> fternooner, smørrebrød, flæskesteg og rødgrød med fløde, the quintessentially danish four-dish meal
19:15:21 <fizzie> Bike: It's all about the graphemes.
19:16:17 <boily> oerjan: we have a strangely similar version of flæskesteg here. rôti de porc avec de la salade de choux et des patates jaunes.
19:17:33 <Bike> reminds me that i heard a song on the radio today where the singer rhymed something -ain with "again", like "main" or something, but pronounced 'again' like 'uhgen'. that was weird
19:17:46 <oerjan> <boily> (for the record, elliott still has the most inappropriate coordinates, listed in my file as: “72⅛”.) <-- i think it would be dangerous to give the coordinates more precisely than "hexham", in case taneb reads them
19:18:08 <oerjan> boily: i'm sure "choux" means something truly frenchly disgusting
19:19:02 <kmc> that's a lot of øs
19:19:13 <kmc> føød
19:19:24 <oerjan> oh it means coleslaw. so disgusting but not frenchly.
19:19:48 <oerjan> kmc: one of them is a danish tongue-twister hth
19:19:53 <boily> oerjan: what have you got against delicious, creamy, sloshy mayonnaisy coleslaw?
19:20:41 <kmc> mayonnaiseaux
19:20:51 <oerjan> who mixes mayonnaise and cabbage, sheesh
19:22:18 <oerjan> as every norwegian knows, cabbage should be mixed with mutton and whole black peppers.
19:22:32 <oerjan> the potatoes are fine, though.
19:23:00 <boily> oerjan: cabbage is one of the main ingredients of the traditional Canadian dish, the Chinese eggroll.
19:23:03 <nooodl> this reminds me: IPA for danish is very great
19:23:31 <oerjan> boily: is that similar to the traditional english dish, the chicken tikka masala?
19:23:47 <fizzie> IPO for Danish: going to be great?
19:23:52 <nooodl> [ˈb̥loð̪ˀð̪̩ ˈlɔːˀ i n̩ ˈsd̥oɐ̯ˀ ˈb̥roːˀn ˈpʰøːˀl d̥ɑ ˈsm̥ɛld̥əð̪̩ sɑ ˈneð̪ˀ i ˈsneːˀn̩, d̥ɛm ˈb̥lɑɪ̯ˌʁœːð̪̩ ˈfʁɔːð̪̩ fʁœs ˈsnɑːˀd̥ tˢe ˈiːˀs.]
19:24:00 <boily> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
19:24:07 <kmc> fish and chips tikka masala
19:24:31 <Bike> nooodl: jesus
19:24:45 <Bike> p.s. what's your (general you) favorite orthography
19:24:48 * kmc is always confused by the fact that chicken masala is an indian dish but chicken marsala is an italian dish
19:25:23 <oerjan> oh hm there's also a claim it may be from glasgow, sorry scots
19:25:24 <Bike> my favorite is still Sḵwx̱wú7mesh
19:26:10 <oerjan> "In July 2009 Pakistani-born British MP Mohammad Sarwar tabled an Early Day Motion in the House of Commons asking that Parliament support a campaign for Glasgow to be given European Union Protected Designation of Origin status for chicken tikka masala."
19:26:34 <nooodl> i like how greek looks, i guess
19:26:48 <nooodl> it's hard to pick a favorite!
19:28:13 <Phantom_Hoover> masala is definitely an indian dish
19:28:32 <Bike> if it's looks my favorite is actually mongolian
19:28:35 <Phantom_Hoover> it's tikka masala specifically that's disputed
19:28:38 <Bike> i just like a 7 being used
19:30:56 <oerjan> nooodl: "the blood lay in a big puddle which then melted into the snow, the blood-red froth soon froze to ice" ?
19:32:01 <oerjan> i'm really uncertain about the blood-red froth
19:32:03 <nooodl> "big brown puddle" but yeah
19:32:09 <nooodl> "pink foam" says wikipedia
19:32:10 <nooodl> The blood lay in a big brown puddle that melted down in the snow, the pink foam soon froze to ice.
19:32:32 <nooodl> Blodet lå i en stor brun pøl, der smeltede sig ned i sneen, den blegrøde fråde frøs snart til is.
19:32:53 <oerjan> oh "bleg" (means pale)
19:33:52 <Phantom_Hoover> this sounds like something out of the lyttle lytton
19:34:00 <kmc> mongolian, georgian, elian script
19:34:39 <Bike> "a non-linear writing system synthesizing elements of both Eastern and Western systems; one that fosters bi-hemispheric coordination" er
19:34:47 <kmc> also what's the difference between an alphabet, an abugida, and an abjad
19:35:25 <Bike> one always involves vowels, one sometimes does, and one never does? i think?
19:36:12 <Bike> nope
19:36:43 <oerjan> abjads leave out a lot of the vowel information, but not all of it
19:37:51 <oerjan> and if abugida is the indian system, every consonant can be marked with whether it is followed by a vowel, and the default with no mark is "a" not null
19:38:07 <Bike> "indian"?
19:38:35 <oerjan> i think many of the indian scripts work that way?
19:39:17 <oerjan> e.g. devanagari
19:40:15 <Bike> i think it's mostly "just" that one, but it's really common and all
19:43:11 <oerjan> no it seems to be many of them http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abugida#Indic_.28Brahmic.29
19:43:40 <Bike> fuck
19:43:54 <oerjan> and also there are non-indic abugidas
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20:56:38 <boily> “The hairy ball theorem of algebraic topology states that there is no nonvanishing continuous tangent vector field on even dimensional n-spheres.”
20:56:52 <Bike> indeed it does
20:57:00 <boily> ~duck nonvanishing continuous tangent vector field
20:57:01 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
20:57:06 <boily> I'm stuck. welp.
20:57:42 <kmc> vector field: a function mapping every point on the sphere to a vector
20:57:45 <Bike> OK, well, do you know what a tangent vector field is?
20:57:50 <Bike> It's uh. kmc just said it
20:57:54 <kmc> what makes it tangent though
20:57:59 <Bike> It's tangent to the sphere.
20:58:11 <kmc> and 'nonvanishing' means that there's no point where the vector has magnitude zero
20:58:21 <Bike> all the elements of the vector space, that is, the vectors, are tangent to the sphere.
20:58:36 <kmc> oh meaning they don't intersect it again?
20:59:10 <Bike> yeah, intuitively they're vectors "on" the sphere, like how "ten miles north and six miles west" is tangent to the earth but "eleven feet straight down" is just dumb
20:59:32 <kmc> "A hairy doughnut, on the other hand, is quite easily combable."
20:59:44 <Bike> Yeah the hairy ball theoerem is quite notable for being silly as hell
21:00:43 <Bike> One way of saying it, which is misleading but oh well, is that if at every point on the earth wind was moving in only one (tangent) direction, and there are no spooky discontinuities, nowhere on earth would have no wind.
21:00:45 <myname> i find it kind of hilarious that from all channels i'm in, this is the most scientific and serious
21:00:52 <boily> time to go bike, think about that, then hit a car.
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21:00:59 <Bike> uh excuse me
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21:01:17 <Bike> i do not appreciate being used as a tool of violence!
21:01:18 <kmc> myname: what are the others
21:01:51 <myname> kmc: the most are programming and linux related
21:02:03 <Bike> uh oh you're "playing right into his twitter conversation"
21:02:13 <myname> and it's about food and trains and bikes 90& of the time
21:02:37 <kmc> i like trains
21:03:18 <shachaf> Even Caltrains?
21:03:51 <Bike> I wonder what life on a 4-sphere would be like. windy i guess
21:04:37 <kmc> caltrain is worst train
21:05:13 <shachaf> trainwurst
21:05:52 <kmc> well maybe it's not worse than the trains in cambodia that are made of bamboo and when two trains want to pass each other the passengers get off and disassemble one and carry it past the other
21:05:57 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norry
21:06:49 <kmc> "In the 1980s and 1990s due to the civil war in Cambodia trains were led by an armed and armoured carriage; the first carriages of the train were flatbeds used as mine sweepers and travel on these was free for the first carriage and half-price for the second."
21:06:53 <kmc>
21:16:12 <shachaf> kmc: did you hear my new word
21:16:23 <kmc> what is it
21:16:41 <shachaf> antícheirocracy
21:16:54 <kmc> what is it
21:17:00 <shachaf> rule of thumb
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21:27:09 <kmc> idgi
21:28:13 <shachaf> antícheir is thumb
21:28:19 <shachaf> -cracy as in rule of
21:28:23 <shachaf> it's a pun of sorts
21:28:35 <kmc> in what language is antícheir is thumb
21:28:43 <shachaf> greek
21:28:55 <shachaf> just like democracy etc.
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21:42:48 <shachaf> kmc: What is the difference between c_c and c.c?
21:43:25 <kmc> i don't know
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21:44:44 <shachaf> Perhaps I will never understand that smiley.
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21:48:38 <Bike> http://thejh.net/misc/website-terminal-copy-paste this is cute
21:50:17 <elliott> didn't fool me because i triple-clicked to select it
21:51:07 <elliott> also mosh should totally use that bracketed paste mode thing to generalise irssi's paste warning.
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21:51:38 <kmc> yeah I think somebody opened a pull request with it just now
21:52:05 <elliott> haha
21:52:06 <elliott> good timing
21:52:23 <Bike_> the joke is my internet connection
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21:52:54 <elliott> oh it looks like just a feature request and not a pull request
21:53:36 <elliott> anyway it looks like it's not the kind of "support" i want
21:53:48 <elliott> which would have mosh interpret it from urxvt and then offer its own UI to respond to the paste
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22:22:12 <nooodl> Don'"'"'t copy code from websites you don'"'"'t trust!
22:22:29 <nooodl> i love bash ' issues
22:25:53 <nooodl^> maybe this kind of exploit could still work with triple clicking if you added an invisible space in your command that somehow does something nasty
22:26:02 <FreeFull> Obviously the solution is to not use bash, and to call any program by populating a list of arguments
22:26:06 <ion> You don’t need to do that in such a contrived way in sh.
22:26:42 <elliott> use ’ quotes clearly ion
22:26:45 <elliott> eh??
22:26:48 <ion> heh
22:27:36 <kmc> \\\\\\\' magic quotes \\\\\\\'
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22:28:20 <nooodl^> like, rm -rf / bloop/things/bin/.../stuff
22:28:57 <nooodl^> you'd have to be pretty awful to fall for that though
22:29:15 <Bike> that's true of most exploits. and guess what, they work
22:30:11 <nooodl^> istr a github commit fixing "the worst bug" I.e. that
22:30:47 <Bike> yeah i remember that. good bug
22:30:57 <nooodl^> it was some kinda thing that would delete /usr if you unijstalled it?
22:31:14 <Bike> "if only computer programs were as resistant to frameshift mutations as some other codes i could name" or something
22:31:24 <nooodl^> imo Bike should find it for me
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22:31:35 <Bike> why would you need to find it, we both know what it is
22:32:03 <elliott> for the hilarious github meme image comments
22:32:09 <ion> Reverse Bobby Tables: name her La''tanya, so it’ll work even when systems are vulnerable to SQL injection.
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22:32:19 <nooodl^> but think about the Community of #esoteric!!
22:32:26 <elliott> what community
22:32:34 <Bike> the Community-watching community
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22:32:49 <nooodl^> also yes what elliott said
22:32:51 <Bike> also wow now that you mention it places that use ' in orthography often must have it rough
22:33:30 <elliott> orfrography
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22:34:46 <nooodl^> BTW I am responding to all of this shit like an hour late because I'm on a phone....
22:35:00 <mnoqy> hi
22:35:13 <Koen_> I'm on a phone too
22:35:21 <nooodl^> which is also capitalizing "i" for me wow bad
22:35:31 <nooodl^> hi mnoqy
22:35:32 <Koen_> but I'm not sure it's gonna hold for long I gained some weight lately
22:37:42 <ion> nooodl: rm -rf / foo/bar would complain about preserve-root in my copy of rm. (It’s not intended to work around stupidity, though, it’s intended for a snafu with scripts calling rm, e.g. a mistyped variable expansion without set -u that results in the parameter being /)
22:38:17 <ion> s/stupidity/user stupidity/, the latter could be called sh stupidity. :-P
22:38:55 <Bike> shtupidity, imo
22:39:17 <ion> Thike.
22:39:23 <nooodl^> I knew someone would mention that
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23:34:48 <Sgeo_> Thought of another use for a Raspberry Pi, but I could do exactly the same thing with a server or just EC2 I think
23:34:54 <Sgeo_> (server in the cloud I mean)
23:35:40 <kmc> yes?
23:35:48 <kmc> i mean, what is it?
23:36:02 <Sgeo_> Run a bunch of MIDIs through timidity and put on YouTue
23:36:05 <Sgeo_> YouTube
23:37:48 <Lumpio-> And get all them taken down for copyright infringement
23:38:15 <Bike> haha right
23:38:41 <Sgeo_> I plan on asking... someone, what the copyright status of these MIDIs are
23:39:22 <Sgeo_> Could also do the same with stuff on modarchive.org, being sure to only take the ones with appropriate licenses
23:39:31 <Sgeo_> But fewer of those would have nostalgic value for me
23:39:59 <Sgeo_> Well, not 'the same', a mod should always sound the same no matter the soundfont
23:40:21 <Sgeo_> Erm, well, not 'no matter the soundfont', there is no soundfont, except... built-in I guess?
23:43:59 <Sgeo_> But for the getting data off my old HD thing, probably should get a Raspberry Pi for that
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