00:01:44 has he printed 00:01:45 gunse 00:01:50 to defend his freedome 00:02:05 more like free"doom" 00:03:08 no 00:03:12 he printed a toothbrush holder 00:03:20 and hookah mouthpieces 00:03:22 does it kill people 00:03:25 to both 00:03:29 and some art that probably helped him get laid so I guess that's useful too? 00:10:33 kmc: lyfe advyce plz: 00:10:37 do i eat my second cadbury flake now 00:10:40 or do i save it for later 00:11:40 well there's that experiment where the kids who can't delay gratification on eating candy grow up to be criminals 00:11:44 so I say eat it now 00:12:14 but i'm already a criminal 00:12:25 exactly. 00:12:32 Sgeo_, you know what my favourite thing about that video is 00:12:39 and indeed all bragman-era trek recuts 00:12:49 What? 00:12:52 you know who's a criminal? people who sticks gums under table 00:13:03 the way that the music just kind of blends into this stuttering "brass band slowly dying" drone 00:13:13 Phantom_Hoover: What do you say? 00:13:23 imo eat now 00:13:26 What do you think of Flake? 00:14:29 good 00:14:54 what do you think of mekupelet 00:15:07 bad 00:15:10 uh 00:15:20 `? Phantom_Hoover 00:15:23 Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist. 00:15:41 does that mean you worship hats, or 00:15:53 Bike: it means he plans hat heists 00:16:02 i'm not even kidding 00:16:07 `run sed -i 's/.$/ and wrong./' wisdom/phantom_hoover 00:16:10 No output. 00:16:22 `revert 00:16:25 Done. 00:17:00 what is a hat heist 00:17:06 do you know what a heist is 00:17:07 it's where you plan to steal the pope's hat 00:17:14 oh that sounds fun. 00:19:03 then you become the pope 00:19:13 * Sgeo_ attempts to run AW on EC2 00:20:17 sgeo................ 00:20:29 is that Advance Wars 00:20:30 Sgeo_ be trippin' 00:20:45 Bike: it's activeworlds, don't you know anything 00:21:00 There is a software rendering option. It sucks, but it exists, so doesn't need z graphics card 00:21:35 elliott: don't encourage sgeo to trip 00:21:50 it can't make him any worse 00:21:51 can it? 00:21:57 Apparently using the default security group is dumb 00:22:08 Can't actually connect with it 00:23:31 Its internet connection seems slow 00:23:37 I cancelled the AW download 00:26:22 http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_a_dick 00:26:24 holy christ 00:26:40 is this new to you 00:26:59 Bike: i'm not sure Phantom_Hoover has ever tried this tactic 00:27:23 who the hell thought it'd be a good idea to have a few pages of template in every language but the one the wiki is written in before any actual page content 00:28:09 Phantom_Hoover: ? 00:28:11 Phantom_Hoover: english is there 00:28:11 English is there too. 00:28:19 "This is an essay." 00:28:28 oh, right you are 00:28:32 ceci n'est pas une etc. 00:29:02 that makes it, uh, a tiny bit less stupid 00:29:10 What are the five Chinese ones? mandarin traditional, mandarin simplified, cantonese, wu...? 00:29:38 kmc: so are you coming to CA next week 00:30:20 none of the places you're interviewing at are in SF are they :'( 00:32:30 yeah probably May 29 - June 4 or so 00:32:44 still waiting to hear back about travel arrangements 00:33:04 Bike: do you know category theory yet 00:33:13 elliott: Ask in #-lens 00:33:15 do i look like an algebraic topologist! 00:34:20 shachaf: I'm interviewing with Mozilla in Mountain View but I would work in SF if I get the job 00:34:23 why? 00:34:25 -!- mnoqy has joined. 00:34:30 oh, right 00:34:31 no reason 00:34:40 we should hang out or something 00:34:59 my interviews will be May 30 and June 3 (probably) so I will have three days free incl. weekend 00:37:18 sgtm 00:37:45 It's not like you to make plans about where you'll be a week in advance. 00:37:51 ikr 00:41:04 maybe i've become boring in my old age 00:41:12 lexande is hitchhiking to alaska 00:42:58 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:43:22 -!- Bike has joined. 00:43:40 -!- pumpkin has changed nick to copumpkin. 00:44:21 -!- Regis__ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:48:52 kmc: how old are you again 00:49:20 25 00:49:27 about a year younger than the toy story person 00:50:41 kmc: imo that's only kind of old, not really old (fizzie) or practically dead (oerjan) 00:50:47 how old are they 00:51:01 fizzie is like 30? he's been not quite 30 for approximately forever so I guess he's either 29 or 30 now 00:51:02 26 and 27 resp. hth 00:51:17 oerjan is um gosh like 40 or something 00:51:20 i think older than 40? 00:51:27 whoa dude in 5 years kmc will be 30 00:51:32 we had that cobol person in here 00:51:32 let's say... 42 and if he's younger than that, god have mercy on my soul 00:51:37 i guess he/she was pretty old 00:51:40 or was it 48 he was 00:51:44 oh god he's going to kill me 00:52:41 meanwhile elliott is 17 or something?? 00:53:01 a whippersnapper 00:53:05 yeah I am still 17 00:53:06 until august 00:53:20 spoiler: i feel old just like everybody else 00:53:21 so you were born after I got my first Internet connection 00:53:34 you were in kindergarten on 9/11 00:53:47 i sort of vaguely remember 9/11 00:54:15 i sort of vaguely remember the first gulf war 00:54:16 kindergarten is a bit weird, we have "preschool" instead and i think the age-ranges are different? but yeah 00:54:19 ah 00:54:30 apologies for being young :P 00:54:33 we have preschool in the US too, it's optional and usually private 00:54:34 i think 00:54:36 not sure, don't have kids 00:54:39 don't want kids 00:55:00 in .il there's preschool and forced-preschool 00:55:10 ok maybe that's not the best translation 00:55:36 are you telling me you didn't grow up in a kibbutz 00:55:39 i like how "private school" and "public school" are the same thing in the uk 00:55:46 despite only vaguely remembering 9/11 itself it's still of course this big important milestone to me because i grew up reading things written by people who were adults when it happened and who it was directly relevant to etc. 00:55:53 kind of weird 00:55:57 kind of 00:57:56 Are Chromebooks expensive if I just want a laptop to VNC to a gaming computer when I don't feel like sitting at a desk? 00:58:20 no 00:58:32 but make sure there's a satisfactory VNC client for chromeos 00:58:40 there are expensive chromebooks but most aren't 00:58:55 There's the built-in desktop sharing thing that Chrome has... 01:00:43 Who is the Chromebook Pixel targetted for, exactly? 01:01:07 Gamers generally want a Windows OS, people who just want to browse the web lightly have cheaper options 01:01:23 Programmers probably also want a different OS 01:13:51 elliott: I'll always remember it as my mother telling me something along the lines of "interesting fact of the day: a plane crashed into a skyscrapper apparently" in a casual tone at the end of the day 01:14:06 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 01:14:59 I need to go to SF sometime to get my passport extended. 01:16:20 i suppose if you're outside of the US then the relevance of 9/11 is less "a terrorist attack happened" and more "America is going to go apeshit and bomb the fuck out of a randomly chosen country" 01:17:12 well a couple thousand people died all at once, that doesn't usually happen in the west 01:18:12 I didn't even know it was a terrorist attack! 01:18:25 ok I may not have known what a terrorist was 01:18:40 a terrorer 01:18:59 Koen_: is your mother a sociopath :P 01:19:18 no she just didn't realize it was so big 01:19:28 and actually multiple thousands of deaths don't happen all at once anywhere really, it takes a while or a lot of space to kill that many people with small arms (what am i going on about) 01:19:52 well that's how I remember it, maybe I was the one who didn't realize what exactly she was saying 01:23:32 and then there was all this "vigipirate" fuss going on 01:24:08 like all kids had to get out of school at the same time, rather than having our parents come get us in a two-hour window 01:24:47 I really didn't understand that, they said it was to make bomber's job more difficult but really how is forcing everyone together at the same time making a bomber's job more difficult? 01:34:09 i sort of vaguely remember 9/11 01:34:15 i remember 9/11 01:34:41 although the only thing i clearly remember was being terrified of my parents being drafted (i was an anxious child) 01:34:49 were they drafted 01:34:50 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has changed nick to Nisstyre. 01:34:53 not afaik 01:34:54 did they die 01:35:57 no 01:36:06 rip 01:36:57 hey did you play _The Lost Vikings_ 01:41:20 no 01:41:29 nobody has ever played it 01:43:34 i wasn't talking to you mr Wrongtom_Wronger 01:43:54 sorry about that, wrongchaf 01:44:13 WRONG 01:44:19 `? shachaf 01:44:21 shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. 01:46:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:50:24 you peer'd PH 01:50:43 he was just that wrong 01:50:50 brittle as celery? crazy as celery? 01:52:32 kmc: http://www.pax.no/index.php?ID=Bok&counter=1103 hth 01:53:30 bok 01:54:29 bokmål 01:56:00 * Sgeo_ suddenly wonders if there's a difference between Unison.sf2 and Unison2.sf2 01:56:22 Yes. Unison.sf2 actually exists. 02:02:59 a subtle difference 02:06:25 libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (> 2.13~) but 2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4 is installed 02:06:41 How do I stop Ubuntu from trying to install new libc6? 02:06:53 (That's from apt-get update) 02:08:20 i doubt it is from apt-get update 02:09:55 apt-get install I mean 02:09:59 Just a plain apt-get install 02:10:04 (Well, sudo ofc) 02:11:01 GeneralUser has a specialized FluidSynth version, I don't know if that's a good thing 02:15:21 Maybe I'll just compile manually 02:15:41 do you need an old libc? 02:16:07 oh good it's fireworks season again 02:22:01 What's a generalization of "pseudoscientific" when the topic is not scientific? 02:22:52 shitty 02:23:10 Terrible? 02:23:45 entertaining? 02:23:47 bullshit 02:28:52 Bike, I don't trust this thing enough to attempt the upgrade 02:29:00 Especially since it's still running entirely Maverick afaik 02:29:19 maybe you should just get a setup that isn't crazy? 02:29:27 How? 02:30:05 cleansing fire 02:34:19 Hmmmm.... I suppose I could use S3 for temporary backup.... 02:34:30 Wait, is S3 the publically visible thing/ 02:34:42 i think you can have private S3 buckets or whatever the hell 02:34:56 Right now I should be eating 02:35:05 I was so numbly unfocused at work :( 02:35:09 I blame being tired 02:36:19 have you tried getting more sleep 02:36:32 o.O you can't upload a file larger than 5TB to S3 I think. 02:36:40 so u managed to get a job sgeo. happy with it? 02:36:56 hagb4rd2, sometimes 02:36:59 "@miuaf according to my sample size of one, Haskell programmers are dysfunctional stalkers who are clearly thinking about raping me" 02:37:07 sure 02:37:07 Something is off about that sort of generalization, don't you think? 02:37:23 sgeo: thats cool i guess.. congrats 02:38:04 may i ask what u're doin now? 02:38:15 just in few words 02:38:47 software development? 02:38:57 shachaf: "sample size of one" makes it pretty clear it's not intended to be a generalisation? 02:39:10 if someone was intending to generalise from a sample size of one they wouldn't say the sample size was one 02:39:16 Website development 02:39:28 okay 02:40:10 Yes. And it's pretty clearly a joke. But I don't think that makes it OK? 02:40:15 if someone was intending to generalize from a sample size of one they probably wouldn't do so in a silly message on twitter 02:41:17 (Also it seems kind of rude to say it to kmc. Though I guess he wasn't the one they had in mind.) 02:41:45 i don't care 02:42:05 i don't know the context but i think you're reading something into that message that isn't there 02:42:09 "@miuaf also someone once told me that character strings are implemented as linked lists of integers and my face was like 😱" fantastic use of unicode 02:42:16 which... displays in my browser but not on irc. 02:48:07 screen doesn't do non-BMP characters 02:48:22 i am using urxvt + mosh + dtach and it doesn't show :( 02:48:27 it's probably just my term using a different font 02:48:36 and my terminal usually does fallbacky font things properly 02:49:09 well it's 1F631 FACE_SCREAMING_IN_FEAR if you need to know 02:49:35 my life's now complete 02:49:51 is it a common theme that poking fun with Unicode emoticons 02:50:22 Honestly, I just want to hear what GeneralUser sounds like, without having to bother Gregor to add it 02:50:35 Unless we can add soundfonts or do fluidsynth stuff through HackEgo? 02:50:40 `fluidsynth 02:50:42 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: fluidsynth: not found 02:54:16 ...dammit I don't have cmake installed 02:56:51 The following packages have unmet dependencies: 02:56:51 libc-dev-bin : Depends: libc6 (> 2.13~) but 2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4 is installed 02:56:51 libc6 : Depends: libc-bin (= 2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4) but 2.13-0ubuntu13.2 is installed 02:57:00 Have you considered dist-upgrade? 02:57:02 ....do I actually have different versions of libc and libc-bin installed? 02:57:08 pikhq, what would I upgrade to? Natty? 02:57:18 I think something along those lines is what broke everything 02:58:04 dist-upgrade doesn't actually upgrade you to a new version of a distro, it's just able to do a bit more package jiggering to get your system in a consistent state. 02:58:31 oh, is that so. darn. 02:59:09 pikhq, tells me to try sudo apt-get -f install 02:59:11 Which I tried 02:59:30 I may have rejected an attempt to install newer libc at one point in the past 02:59:33 Because I was scared of it 02:59:42 Could that have broken everything? 02:59:56 perhaps aptitude knows how to solve the packages 03:00:13 Guess what's not installed? 03:00:47 How do I see holds? 03:01:09 --ignore-hold ? 03:01:21 Won't show it, but... 03:01:41 Didn't work 03:02:33 http://pastie.org/private/tkx9lg2frlpyin24jkiltg 03:03:46 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 03:03:47 Which version of Ubuntu are you on? 03:04:43 the one that doesn't work 03:04:50 oh wait 03:05:18 why don't you just use a REAL distro like slackware 03:05:27 pikhq, Maverick 03:05:28 why don't you just use an IMAGINARY distro like @ 03:05:38 Although I attempted to upgrade it at one point 03:05:45 * kmc wonders if elliott highlights on @ 03:05:59 kmc: that sounds inconvenient 03:06:01 Sgeo_: ... Y'mean this thing hasn't been updated since 2010? 03:06:05 i see basically everything said in #esoteric while i'm around though 03:06:06 19:58 alternative preludes remind me of people writing, say, their own operating system. cute and fun, but irrelevant 03:06:11 hi 03:06:17 is this paste things from elsewhere day 03:06:22 oh i get it 03:06:28 i never claimed @ is relevant though 03:06:56 you claimed it was the best 03:07:00 pikhq, yep 03:07:01 i.e. possessing all positive properties 03:07:08 also you never claimed to have actually written any of it 03:07:11 surely being the best and relevant is better than being the best and irrelevant 03:07:19 qed hth 03:07:26 hmm, i should end all my proofs with hth 03:07:26 I installed it a while ago, then just kept using the Windows partition until that stopped, and now stuck on obsolete Linux 03:07:44 kmc: imo you should help out by writing some of it 03:08:24 Sgeo_: First, edit your sources to point to old-releases.ubuntu.com instead of archive.ubuntu.com 03:08:46 pikhq, did that 03:08:51 Which arch? 03:09:21 deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu maverick main universe restricted multiverse 03:09:43 Arch. Architecure. What is uname -a 03:09:48 There are a lot of commented-out references to natty in here 03:09:59 Linux sgeo-Satellite-T215D 2.6.35-32-generic #67-Ubuntu SMP Mon Mar 5 19:35:26 UTC 2012 i686 GNU/Linux 03:11:01 Yeah, it looks like you've got a natty libc. 03:11:03 wow old-releases.ubuntu.com is in your sources.list 03:11:18 kmc: it's almost as if pikhq told him to add it 03:11:28 I figured out to add it earlier today 03:12:06 How do I unget the natty libc? 03:12:51 Working on it. 03:13:56 Sgeo_: I just sent a message to agora-business purporting to destroy your nickname. 03:14:31 Download: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-bin_2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6-amd64_2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6-dev_2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb 03:14:59 dpkg -i all of those 03:16:58 Oh, you also want: http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libn/libnih/libnih1_1.0.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb 03:17:34 After forcing those installed you should be in a vaguely consistent state. 03:17:49 Oh, you may also need --force-downgrade 03:18:06 All in one command? 03:18:21 It shouldn't make a difference. 03:18:32 But yes, those 4 packages. 03:19:09 Immediately after this, at *least* upgrade all the way up to Precise. 03:19:18 (you want to do this in several steps)_ 03:19:54 upgrade to debian 03:19:57 hth 03:20:16 I'm operating under the assumption he doesn't want to reinstall. 03:20:19 pikhq, any good and safe ways to do this? 03:20:29 upgrade to nixos hth 03:20:29 If he does, save home and reinstall. 03:20:42 goddammit 03:20:53 Sgeo_: First, edit your sources.list to refer to natty. apt-get update;apt-get dist-upgrade. 03:21:06 pikhq, old-releases natty? 03:21:08 Repeat for Oneiric, then Precise. (Precise won't be on old-releases) 03:21:09 Yes. 03:21:15 http://pastie.org/private/wpkfwf0fekzh88hn0q2lq 03:21:25 If you wanna be all up-to-date, go to Quantal then Raring. 03:21:58 --force-downgrade before -i 03:22:10 Oh, oops. 03:22:13 I forgot the libc6-dev-bin 03:23:00 http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc6-amd64_2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb 03:23:03 Erm 03:23:08 http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-dev-bin_2.13-0ubuntu13_i386.deb 03:23:11 NO 03:23:13 Blah 03:23:26 http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/e/eglibc/libc-dev-bin_2.12.1-0ubuntu10.4_i386.deb 03:23:29 That's the one. 03:23:44 Install that sucker and libc6-dev 03:24:21 dpkg: error processing --force-downgrade (--install): 03:24:22 cannot access archive: No such file or directory 03:24:31 --force-downgrade goes before --install. 03:24:57 I think it's all done 03:25:14 Mmkay. Now apt-get -f install and do those upgrades. 03:25:23 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 03:25:23 You *may* stop on Precise. 03:25:47 You might wanna go newer, but Precise is at least still supported. 03:25:48 libnih-dbus1 : Depends: libnih1 (= 1.0.3-1ubuntu1) but 1.0.2-1ubuntu2 is installed 03:26:24 Erm, I may have attempted to install fluidsynth... but it doesn't seem like fluidsynth attempted to install libnih-dbus1 03:26:29 You cancelled a Natty install halfway through, didn't you? 03:26:37 I.. think so 03:27:07 Two choices. Each time this thing comes up go through http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main and look for the *appropriate* package version for your distro. 03:27:21 http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libn/libnih/libnih-dbus1_1.0.2-1ubuntu2_i386.deb in this case 03:27:31 Or, switch your sources to Natty and finish that upgrade. Use dist-upgrade. 03:28:19 Wait, i386? instead of amd64? 03:28:37 You use i386, so. 03:28:44 You are not running a 64-bit kernel. 03:29:21 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:29:32 you should fix that someday 03:29:39 better performance, better security 03:30:04 what kind of security we talkin here 03:30:04 sudo apt-get -f install isn't complaining anymore 03:30:17 Oh, okay then. 03:30:19 Do that. 03:30:25 And then upgrade. 03:30:34 erm, may I install fluidsynth first? 03:30:35 ...too late 03:30:41 lol. 03:30:47 I'd say "no", but it makes no real difference TBH. 03:31:24 I don't exactly have the time tonight to start getting on the path to computer peace 03:31:36
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03:31:41 You are probably going to need to reboot a few times during this process. 03:31:41 da fuq 03:31:48 There's been a lot of changes between 2.6.35 and 3.8 03:32:42 elliott: 64-bit distros tend to have more stuff compiled as position independent code (because the performance cost is a lot lower than 32-bit) which makes them harder to exploit 03:32:51 pikhq, how can I thank you enough? 03:33:03 Sgeo_: If we meet in person buy me a beer? 03:33:31 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Security/Features#pie 03:33:42 kmc: cool 03:33:45 "PIE on x86_64 does not have the same penalties, and will eventually be made the default, but more testing is required" ok so i don't know if it's actually a thing or just a theoretical thing 03:33:52 so does anyone know why my browser freezes when i load certain pages (predictably) 03:33:57 hacked by chinese 03:33:58 maybe something to do with js 03:34:02 too many tabs 03:34:08 regardless of number of tabs you shit 03:34:12 close tabs and disable js 03:34:23 Apparently fluidsynth wants to talk to Jack :/ 03:34:42 itt mnoqy is a shit? 03:35:12 i feel so ancient with my i386 03:35:18 jack is cool 03:35:21 i've baptised him. mnoqy, officially a Shit for life 03:35:25 will go to shit heaven/shit hell 03:35:36 Bike: is it actually a 386 03:35:39 and not like i686 03:35:43 How to tell what audio driver I use? 03:35:48 haha no but that'd be great, it's an Atom 03:36:11 And apparently an old Atom. 03:36:21 Current Atoms are x86_64. 03:36:49 anyway kmc's new browser will fix it 03:36:56 it's kmc's even though it's actualy mozilla's and he might not even work on it 03:36:57 Probably has something to do with how 8 gigs of RAM is $50 or so. 03:37:05 also my stomach hurts 03:37:06 and also 03:37:08 i am going to sleep 03:37:19 good choice 03:37:41 and also it's cold. fuck 03:39:31 * kmc imagines using 8 GB of RAM on a 32-bit Atom netbook with PAE 03:40:20 yeah this is my custom setup *dusts collar* it's vintage, from '09, but i spiced it up a bit *opens curtain, revealing closet of RAID and external RAM* 03:41:26 i should get a new rubik's cube 03:41:34 Did any 32-bit Atoms support PAE? 03:41:38 upgrade your rubik's cube 03:41:47 customise the rubik's cube build online 03:42:15 get a "premium" model based on LEDs with a shuffle button 03:42:23 invest in rubik's cubes 03:42:33 *starts kickstarter for a pretentious 'minimalist' rubiks cube* 03:42:41 greyscale rubik's cube 03:42:42 actually I do have one that's all black 03:42:45 rubik's cube where all the colours are actually the same 03:42:46 omg 03:42:47 zen rubik's cube 03:42:49 fuck 03:42:53 it's p. awesome 03:42:58 i'm quitting society, laters 03:43:28 gl hf dd 03:44:51 -!- tswett has set topic: We drank all the throwing wine | Goal for 2013: hthiest channel of the network? | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ | I vote TYHJÄ.. 03:45:01 Good luck, have fun, convert and copy? 03:46:29 haha 03:46:38 we would have also accepted 'delete current line' 03:47:22 or 'don't die' 03:48:02 Apparently all Atoms support PAE 03:49:16 yeah you can't call yourself i686 if you don't support the PAE page table format, really 03:49:24 and you want it anyway for NX 03:49:34 but do they actually support a 36-bit physical address bus 03:49:53 The Pentium Pro didn't do PAE 03:50:07 i thought they introduced PAE with the Pentium Pro 03:50:16 no google i don't want paella 03:50:34 wp says "First implemented in the Intel Pentium Pro in 1995" 03:50:39 Oh. 03:50:48 ah but AMD extended it to 52 bits and added NX 03:50:49 much later 03:51:35 One wonders why it was added in 1995. 03:51:46 Surely there wasn't much of a demand. 03:52:20 i had this Pentium Pro box from 1995 that was the size of a mini-fridge 03:52:30 four CPUs (separate sockets of course), 1 GB of RAM on several mobo-size boards 03:52:50 I think Intel gave it to my university as a demo machine 03:53:00 Yow. 03:53:05 (it had Intel branding on the chassis) 03:53:06 What a beast. 03:53:09 yep 03:53:23 And now my cell phone is competitive. 03:53:52 Actually, probably kicks the shit out of it just cause the CPU's clocked a lot faster. 03:53:57 yep 03:53:58 A mere two cores, but eh. 03:54:13 also probably has fancy SIMD stuff, better FPU, etc 03:54:37 Definitely a better GPU. 03:54:41 a lot more cache 03:54:51 more registers 03:55:42 Maybe not a better network link. 03:55:52 i don't remember if it had 100 megabit ethernet 03:56:05 Yeah. It's *possible* then but it would've been pricy. 03:56:57 of course I didn't take posession of this machine until like 2005, when it was beyond obsolete 03:57:10 Hah. 03:57:18 in fact it wasn't the first SMP machine I owned, although it was the first >2 core machine 03:57:39 I'm currently using my first SMP machine. 03:57:40 I built a dual-socket Opteron workstation in 2004 which I was pretty psyched about 03:58:15 kmc, I used a 2000 machine up until 2007 or so 03:58:30 Though I'm trying *really hard* to convince myself that no, I don't need to buy a truly fucking insane system. 03:59:04 in 2011 i built a 48 core machine with 128 GB of RAM, but that wasn't for me :/ 03:59:14 D'awww. 03:59:39 "Linux? Windows? Mac OS? I run 'em all! Every version!" 03:59:51 haha 04:00:09 oh yeah and then one of the 16 sticks of RAM went bad and I had to figure out which one 04:00:20 kmc: did you binary search 04:00:23 Binary search I assu... dammit 04:00:23 I don't envy you that memtest86 run. 04:00:42 shachaf: more or less 04:00:54 Trying out just one stick is like playing the lottery. 04:00:55 wtf is this song 04:00:57 i didn't run memtest, just ran a kernel compile for a few minutes to see if it crashed 04:00:59 I flat out don't recognize it 04:01:03 Oh, yeah. Reminds me. I've got a bad *slot* on my motherboard. 04:01:08 eek 04:01:11 Despite clearly having named it in a way that indicates I liked it once 04:01:18 That was fun finding out. 04:01:28 Needless to say, it's empty. 04:01:44 But yeah. Any stick shoved into it will fail, but only in that slot. 04:02:30 i hope the stick doesn't fail permanently? 04:02:37 * Sgeo_ is actually consdering making his PC that he's going to build (one of these days) 16GB RAM so he can run both Linux and Windows 04:02:38 Nah. 04:02:54 It was as though some address lines weren't connecting or something. 04:03:03 Sgeo_: That's only like $75-$100 worth of RAM. 04:03:08 kmc: now that would be a sticky situation!!!!!!!!!!!! 04:03:17 pikhq: did you fill up memory with a known pattern to see which ones? :D 04:03:28 i wish I had more than 8 GB in this laptop 04:03:31 unfortunately, not-upgradable 04:03:39 kmc: I used memtest86. 04:03:51 shachaf: indeed 04:03:56 I wish I had more than 2G in this laptop. 04:04:07 today kmc learned how to italics 04:04:07 But then, I got it for free and I use it as a mosh box. 04:04:44 i sure did 04:04:47 fuckd 04:04:59 does kmc know about ^O 04:05:00 sex daemon? 04:05:02 O 04:05:03 i sure did 04:05:10 it shows up underline on my terminal though 04:05:13 whats ^O do 04:05:23 turns off all the other things 04:05:28 weak 04:05:34 For me it seems to reset the rest of the line, incl. the redness of being hilighted 04:05:50 band name: sex daemon 04:06:27 have you ever written a program to generate band names 04:06:31 `quote zzo38.*name 04:06:32 185) Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) \ 258) I also do not like that it should be disallow just because of too weird. They haveto make up more name so that not everyone has the same name!!! \ 645) if only alonzo church wo 04:06:46 Professional Octopus of the World 04:06:50 Such a good name. 04:07:47 the radness of being hilighted 04:08:16 echo $'furry*!video_game\t20' | nc zzo38computer.org 70 | grep '^i\w' | cut -c 2- 04:08:22 the unbearable radness of being 04:08:42 shachaf: that is like the shadyurl.com of command lines 04:09:31 Nearly Impossible Computer Nightmare 04:09:41 What is on port 70 of zzo38's computer? 04:09:43 i think i have that game it's called linux (burn) 04:09:45 Sgeo_: gopher 04:09:55 rubber midget fortress 04:09:56 Nihilistic Sudoku DX 04:10:12 you can change '20' to get more I guess 04:10:14 Incomprehensible VHS Tournament 04:10:21 Catch the Tank Starring Mickey Mouse 04:10:22 Hmm, curl has gopher support. 04:10:26 Can you port that command line to curl? 04:13:22 curl -s gopher://zzo38computer.org/$' furry*!video_game\t100' | grep '^i\w' | cut -c 2- 04:13:25 i don't know why the space in the url 04:13:34 Error: Category Theory Inferno 04:14:01 Scooby Doo and the Circus of the Third Reich 04:15:21 Alcoholic Trailer Park Commander 04:15:41 Chinese Mushroom Marines 04:17:10 thmc 04:17:40 Hardcore Bong Strike Force 04:19:13 Duke Nukem: Mahjong Rampage 04:22:59 wow what the hell is otolaryngology 04:24:14 Heavy Metal Vegetarian in the Dark 04:24:41 Revenge of the Censorship Yoga 04:45:29 21:44 Clint: so, nice to see an OpenPGP implementation. Calling out to gpg{,me} is a pain 04:45:49 #haskell? 04:45:52 Yep. 04:45:54 great 04:55:13 21:55 shachaf: writing in Haskell lets you use type safety to ensure that all the security holes you create a subtle instead of obvious. 04:56:15 sounds about right 04:57:56 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 04:58:18 -!- Bike has joined. 05:07:31 hike 05:08:09 heegallister 05:08:51 holachaf 05:09:18 Ferrari is the Lamborghini of letter writing. 05:10:12 … 05:10:51 http://fox2now.com/2013/05/22/cursive-writing-winner/ 05:10:57 http://www.fark.com/comments/7762571/Teen-wins-contest-by-producing-blandest-most-sterile-cursive-writing-imaginable 05:12:24 Her right stuff shows that the fountain pen is still a foundational skill needed in modern times. 05:17:14 the last time I used cursive for anything other than my signature was probably on one of the college admissions tests where they make you copy out in cursive a paragraph about how you didn't cheat 05:17:52 I copied that paragraph out in non-cursive. 05:17:58 good 4 u 05:18:13 i guess this is why i have a college degree and shachaf doesn't? 05:18:39 1D1AD MUSICAL SYMBOL COMBINING SNAP PIZZICATO [𝆭] 05:19:14 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 05:19:14 Hmm, there are some good musical symbols. 05:19:15 1D1B3 MUSICAL SYMBOL WITH FINGERNAILS [𝆳] 05:19:20 i think I remember my SAT scores but fuck if I can remember my ACT score 05:19:32 Wow, she's *literally* writing straight Palmer. 05:19:43 That is the most sterile cursive writing imaginable. 05:19:43 * coppro curses serendipity 05:19:57 although, strictly, this is not actually serendipity 05:19:58 straight palmer OGs in da hood 05:20:08 because it was not beneficial or happy 05:20:11 I wonder what happens if you write that you promise that you will cheat, rather than that you won't. 05:20:19 incidentally 05:20:21 Do people read it? Poor people. 05:20:24 serendipity is a wonderful word 05:20:33 C'mon, if you're gonna spend that much effort practicing cursive, at least learn something like Spencerian. 05:20:43 elian script 05:21:31 pikhq: mathscr 05:21:43 kmc: should i get a college degree 05:21:50 would i be a better person :'( 05:22:30 shachaf: possibly 05:22:37 do you currently live with your parents? 05:23:33 No. 05:24:14 do you know what your strengths and weaknesses are? 05:24:44 * pikhq reaaaaly needs to move out 05:24:50 pikhq: Oo 05:24:54 yes. you do. 05:26:03 Such is dropping out of college once. 05:26:27 shachaf: hm, trying to remember what I said before 05:26:30 must be consistent you know! 05:29:21 -!- Bike has joined. 05:30:06 well if you're having trouble finding a job without the degree, that would be one reason 05:30:19 I had to write a short biography about myself. that was weird 05:30:33 err, sorry 05:30:35 job prospects are not the only or even main reason I'm glad I went to college, but I'm not sure if the others translate 05:30:40 coppro had to write a short biography about himself 05:30:49 like it must be very different starting at 22 (?) rather than 16 - 18 05:30:49 reasons I'm happy I went to university: 05:30:58 a) I'm at one of the best schools for the areas I enjoy 05:31:13 Being *maybe* halfway through at the age of 23 kinda sucks. 05:31:16 b) The people here are pretty generally damn awesome 05:32:01 c) I enjoy student politics, or at least the part of it where I get the administration to do things 05:32:17 d) As a corollary to c, I have reason to believe I'm pretty employable 05:32:28 kmc: someone told me i should go to graduate school should i do that 05:32:41 can you go without undergrad? 05:32:47 almost all of the grad students I know hate it 05:32:49 if you're a freeeeeak 05:33:03 very unlikely you'll get into grad school without at least some undergrad degree 05:33:04 am i a freeeeeak 05:33:07 FREEEEEAK 05:33:08 there is some selection bias 05:33:09 hmm, no bots 05:33:11 * pikhq is increasingly considering "fuck it, let's just get a job" 05:33:26 it's my understanding that grad studenting is the worst job ever, so of course i'm planning on it 05:33:39 pikhq: what program are you in? 05:33:42 pikhq: yeah, I expect by age 23 and halfway through college, you pretty much have the social experience of it 05:33:51 ^ 05:33:53 coppro: Comp sci. 05:34:01 pikhq: I vote for fuck it 05:34:10 experience is more important 05:34:13 maybe you can try to get a job without formally dropping out 05:34:22 a lot of schools will let you do a leave of absence or whatever 05:34:26 I've been in college since 18. Dropped out once. Been depressed for pretty much of that time. 05:34:28 yeah, do that 05:34:36 pikhq: time since? 05:34:38 or get an internship and then see 05:34:50 do you have a good friend group in college? 05:34:57 coppro: Actually, much of high school too. 05:35:01 kmc: Not *really*. 05:35:02 pikhq: :( 05:35:07 fuck I hate depression 05:35:08 * kmc really misses living with a lot of incredibly smart interesting people, and the serendipitous interactions that would occur because of it 05:35:17 (I'm not depressed but I have been quite close to people who have/are) 05:35:19 kmc: I did at my first college. 05:35:23 And I still keep in touch with them. 05:35:38 One of them I'd met online when I was 10 though, so... 05:35:50 I can't wait for cumc this year 05:35:52 should be sweet 05:36:54 And it's not like as though I don't have marketable skills. I dare say I know my shit. 05:38:19 * coppro needs to remember to request a letter of reference from the president at some point 05:38:43 "hi i'm the guy who's been yelling at you for students for years. plz to recommend" 05:39:07 when i was regularly in school the "older" (not really that old) people were my favorites 05:39:08 pretty much 05:39:21 it's nice having someone in your CS program who actually knows how to linux or whatever 05:40:27 the cost of having a sixty year old guy in your anthro 101 class is worth it i feel 05:42:09 Kids These Days don't know how to linux? 05:42:27 Strange. I've Linuxed for over a decade now. 05:42:37 i've never linuxed is it good 05:42:38 I'm not at a decade, but getting there 05:42:42 s/'// 05:42:53 not if they're freshmen who are learning to program, no 05:42:55 And rather well too. 05:43:05 I think I compiled my first kernel when I was 12? 05:43:14 plus there's a difference between me (can look at man pages) and you (that) 05:43:15 it's kind of funny 05:43:52 that the student-run servers of the Computer Science Club typically have higher uptime percentage than many university servers 05:46:25 i wonder if i should feel inadequate about not learning VAX assembly at age 3 or w/e 05:46:33 you should 05:46:34 coppro: yeah it was that way for us too 05:46:48 Eh, I first touched x86 asm when I was like 16. 05:46:49 and yeah I think the skill distribution going into intro CS is pretty strongly bimodal 05:46:55 ok i will 05:46:56 which is a real challenge for teaching it 05:46:59 Yeah, it really is. 05:47:28 i tried to skip the intro programming class but i fucked up the simple task i was supposed to do to show I could program. i felt really bad about it 05:47:30 i took an x86 asm class (real mode!!) when I was 15 or 16 05:47:30 You've got people who either barely know anything about the subject, and people who could teach a decent chunk of the courses. 05:47:51 so i guess i was just slightly right of the lower peak 05:48:17 and a good chunk of the highly skilled people are... how to put it... poorly socialized 05:48:37 which can make things even more unpleasant for the people who don't know as much 05:48:44 god yes 05:49:03 there was one guy who was homeschooled and... well i shouldn't whine too much 05:49:22 Yeah, you thank god for the guys who showered this week. 05:49:58 and profs have little interest in teaching, let alone in the tricky social engineering to get students to play nice together 05:50:02 i'm pretty sure he was missing some shots 05:50:33 i liked Hacker School's short list of social rules: https://www.hackerschool.com/manual#sub-sec-social-rules 05:50:53 i've definitely done all of these things... 05:51:02 my favorite prof was someone who was teaching for like the first time ever, was on the fence about believing Turing re: halting, and taught stuff I wasn't really interested in. school is weird 05:51:30 some of our intro courses were taught by lecture staff who aren't professors, and they honestly maybe put more care into it 05:51:34 although some of the profs were quite good as well 05:51:36 but many were not 05:51:48 kmc: this is beautiful 05:52:02 "well actually" is my least favorite thing after "except" 05:52:37 yesterday someone i know was talking about failing a math class and another guy felt the need to correct affect/effect 05:53:19 That effects an uncomfortable situation. 05:53:21 we had a math student who was infamous for never showering. eventually the professor complained and he started showering before that one class 05:53:53 except actually the prof complained to the RA of the house where he officially lived but never actually set foot 05:54:00 pikhq: the first guy said "fuck you not in the mood" and quit. uncomfortableness: destroyed!! 05:54:03 kmc: jesus. 05:54:15 (being the sort of person who prefers to pass out on the nearest common area sofa after a 24 hour math binge) 05:54:36 so the RA spent about 2 weeks looking for the mysterious phantom smelly maths student 05:55:01 actually you can watch a short film about his life here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bw8UmlF-Msw made by his u chicago grad student colleagues, who seem to have come to more or less the same impressions that we did in undergrad 05:55:21 did he grow up to be erdõs 05:55:27 wrong diacritic 05:55:37 ő. they look so damn similar. 05:55:54 also after showering we would make him write the current date on his leg so we would know 05:56:29 oh, huh, õ actually looks like two diagonal lines on my terminal, but that's just lack of resolution in rendering the tilde 05:59:32 the incident at 4:31 is apparently based on a true story 06:00:21 this is p. fantastic 06:00:58 he'd better be doing something cool in that notebook 06:01:50 * pikhq shall probably seek permanent employment this summer, then... 06:01:58 whereabouts? 06:02:09 Presently I'm in Colorado Springs, CO. 06:02:40 Though in a life position where I could sanely go *just about* anywhere. 06:03:21 "OBVIOUS" 06:05:34 pikhq: imo san francisco hth 06:05:48 nice if you google this guy you get a bunch of ridiculous stuff (also an actual paper) 06:11:14 one time he was walking across campus to do laundry, carrying a big bag of awful smelling clothes, and decided to stop by the library to take four consecutive five-hour math exams 06:11:29 stayed in the library past closing time, was woken up by the cleaning staff the next morning who were very alarmed 06:12:17 they were concerned because he'd been making 'satanic drawings' on his papers and also the walls (these were actually topological diagrams) 06:12:21 I've also pretty solidly determined that, fuck what my family says, I'm moving in with my girlfriend. So. 06:12:22 i take it he had "a reputation" 06:12:28 yes 06:12:29 kmc: Hah. 06:13:16 pikhq: would the two of you move together, if you got a job elsewhere? 06:13:24 -!- ais523 has joined. 06:13:37 kmc: Pretty sure that's the case. 06:13:56 Particularly seeing as she's currently out of work and looking to move. :P 06:14:17 to san francisco "the place to be" 06:14:22 (and we don't currently live in the same *state*, so...) 06:14:25 -!- callforjudgement has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 06:14:32 it is indeed the place to be 06:14:34 but hella expensive 06:14:54 * Bike reflects on being in more than one irc channel with a "place to be" that doesn't actually have most people from the channel in it 06:14:54 Yes. 06:15:06 pretty soon SF will be 100% either software jerkoffs like myself or homeless crack addicts 06:15:09 nobody else 06:15:18 'awesome society imo' 06:15:23 Bike: The place to be is wherever I am. hth 06:15:26 you need to pioneer homeless crack software addict 06:15:29 That's the actual definition. 06:15:30 jerkoffs 06:16:02 Bike: Sounds similar to Erdős, coder version. 06:16:02 Bike: what are the places to be of the other IRC channels? 06:16:11 gothenburg? 06:16:20 Portland 06:16:27 Portland OR? 06:16:30 the oregon one yeah 06:16:44 i don't know anybody who lives in maine 06:17:05 (Portland ME is pretty insignificant on a national scale, but is near Boston so comes up fairly often) 06:17:27 i live just north of it and we've met to see anime in theaters and dick around at Powell's, occasionally 06:17:36 also https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZt-pOc3moc 06:17:44 Powell's++ 06:17:55 yes 06:17:57 powell's is literally the best thing? 06:18:05 i should go see if they've gotten any Gibson 06:18:10 and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPKe9OfWs-M 06:18:24 except i don't have any money so i'd have to like steal it, except that if you steal from powell's you're struck by lightning 06:18:31 that seems correct 06:18:57 don't steal from powell's Bike :'( 06:19:09 better to steal candy from babies or something 06:19:15 candy is unhealthy for them anyway 06:19:17 yeah this is basically portland right here 06:20:12 "I gave up clowning years ago!" "Well in Portland, you don't have to." 06:23:01 i hyperljnk all the time! i'd like to confirm that hyperlinking is in no way harmful to your health! 06:24:27 Hyperlinking is most beneficial to health. 06:25:00 Evidence: BBSes are dead. 06:25:02 WWW lives. 06:25:17 Can't explain that, atheists. 06:27:57 Bike: it's from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portlandia_(TV_series) 06:28:16 that show is painful to watch (not from inaccuracy) 06:29:08 :D 06:29:40 a friend who flew in from chicago was like "how do you have so many rug stores" 06:29:53 haha 06:30:10 we were eating at a vietnamese place and there were multiple rug stores visible from the window 06:30:21 was it in the rug district 06:30:43 "what the hell is a design store and how do you have more than three of them" 06:31:21 i like the lighting store district in Manhattan 06:31:25 'very bright' 06:31:31 do they sell lightning rods 06:31:45 it's near the restaurant supply store district 06:31:49 did you read the story by mark twain 06:33:02 it's a good story and it's short and you should read it if you haven't 06:33:05 about rugs? 06:33:07 which one 06:33:17 "Political Economy" 06:33:26 http://etext.lib.virginia.edu/etcbin/toccer-new2?id=TwaPoli.sgm&images=images/modeng&data=/texts/english/modeng/parsed&tag=public&part=1&division=div1 06:34:21 -!- FreeFull has quit (Quit: gotta go). 06:34:50 seething political economy ideas. 06:39:08 hilarious. 06:43:48 :) 06:55:38 There's something surreal about knowing you can actually run a web server from an Apple II. 07:02:39 Of course, a minimal web server is really fairly simple. 07:03:16 If you don't mind being hilariously stupid and only hosting a single file, "nc -l -p 80 -c 'cat foo.html'" will work. 07:06:32 :) 07:12:22 * pikhq blinks slightly 07:12:31 I... could write a Brainfuck web server. 07:12:32 kmc: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxCKc4v9nwA#t=4m35s 07:12:33 Haaah. 07:13:20 hip hip, hoo 07:35:33 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 07:39:38 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:59:33 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 09:04:41 awesome game. awesome music 09:05:12 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 262 seconds). 09:07:15 -!- hogeyui__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:07:43 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:19:18 -!- hogeyui__ has joined. 09:46:36 -!- ais523 has quit. 10:38:20 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 10:47:18 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 11:02:28 -!- ais523 has joined. 11:05:21 -!- carado has joined. 11:35:03 -!- Koen_ has joined. 11:39:24 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 11:39:32 -!- carado has joined. 12:04:19 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 12:07:53 -!- boily has joined. 12:07:55 -!- metasepia has joined. 12:10:25 -!- ais523 has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 13:29:47 -!- Regis__ has joined. 13:32:49 `pastequotes 13:32:57 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8629 13:44:28 meanwhile: humble bundle continues to sell out, abandons 'bundle' aspect of operation 14:08:10 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:08:57 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 14:15:50 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:16:13 Phantom_Hoover: 'tis sad. 14:16:39 i guess it's not quite as bad as the THQ Desperation Bundle 14:16:46 at least this one doesn't have mandatory DRM 14:17:38 the what? I'm trying to forget that horrendous mistake. 14:17:53 let's be fair 14:18:07 it was a horrendous mistake that let me get saints row the third for like 5 pounds 14:18:40 (I'm feeling vitriolic today. my humours are being imbalanced by Montréal's drinking water problem.) 14:20:30 swedes 14:20:35 what are your opinions of swedes 14:22:58 they're fine, I think, except for enjoying salmiakki. 14:23:14 I thinkg my opinion will be fixed once I have smelled an open can of surströmming. 14:44:05 you suck 14:50:49 why yes, yes I do suck. 14:54:25 -!- Taneb has joined. 15:00:34 -!- fungot has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 15:44:34 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 15:44:40 -!- fungot has joined. 15:52:19 -!- nooodl has joined. 15:56:20 -!- variable has quit (Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero). 16:18:21 meanwhile: humble bundle continues to sell out, abandons 'bundle' aspect of operation // Soooo, with no Indie, and no Bundle, is it just Humble now? 16:18:29 yes 16:18:49 and only on the technicality that 'humble' is too subjective to be demonstrably inaccurate 16:19:40 But calling them ε just doesn't have the same ring. 16:23:26 -!- FreeFull has joined. 16:33:13 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:42:12 imo "epsilon" is a cool name for anything 16:47:47 not for delta it isn't 16:50:08 Not zeta 16:50:16 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: I SHOULD BE GONE FOR LESS TIME). 17:05:19 -!- Frooxius has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:10:03 -!- Frooxius has joined. 17:25:19 -!- coppro has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:32:20 -!- coppro has joined. 17:37:40 what's wrong with Montréal's drinking water? 17:37:59 Alcohol content too low. 17:39:23 kmc: too much small live stuff floating around. http://montreal.ctvnews.ca/water-in-most-of-montreal-unsafe-to-drink-1.1291826 17:39:29 Gregor: if only it was just that... 17:40:23 Ironically, alcohol would solve that neatly. 17:46:34 i have an uncle who lives in a bog 17:46:41 the water in his house is visibly yellow 17:46:46 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 17:47:19 i have an uncle who lives in a bog // Scottish, ladies and gentlemen. Scottish. 17:47:40 the bog is actually in ireland 17:48:18 Celtic, ladies and gentlemen. Celtic. 17:49:45 Sceltish. 17:55:36 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 18:01:28 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:26:09 -!- GOMADWarrior has joined. 18:28:36 -!- Regis__ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:41:44 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:54:06 -!- olsner has joined. 18:54:13 -!- olsner has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 19:09:28 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 19:11:45 -!- Regis__ has joined. 19:13:07 -!- GOMADWarrior has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:31:46 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 19:52:23 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 19:54:39 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:56:03 -!- hagb4rd2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:59:59 -!- GOMADWarrior has joined. 20:02:39 -!- Regis__ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 20:29:49 -!- Regis__ has joined. 20:32:00 I need something to doooooo 20:32:52 Taneb: discover antelope 20:33:09 -!- GOMADWarrior has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:33:20 I assume you mean the canyon in Arizona 20:33:30 Wow, it's beautiful 20:33:34 Thanks, elliott 20:33:41 This has been really enlightening 20:34:34 Taneb: get elliott to give you your mekupelet 20:34:42 Taneb: you can take a peek at what I've been haskelling lately: http://hpaste.org/88426 20:34:50 ~duck mekupelet 20:34:50 Mekupelet () (English name: Chocolate Log) is a bar of thinly folded milk chocolate produced in Israel since 1935 by 'Elite' now a subdivision of the Strauss Group. 20:35:28 thorn c-cedilla o-tilde a-diaeresis u-diaeresis e-circumflex. I knew hebrew was hard to read but damn. 20:36:04 מקופלת hth 20:36:25 boily: your bot is racist against unicode 20:36:29 boily: Empty `mappend` y is undefined 20:36:38 boily, I think your Tree type is a monad 20:36:48 boily isn't compiling with -Wall? 20:36:49 shachaf: my bot is gentle and good. 20:36:56 elliott: ah? 20:37:05 boily: plz add -Wall to your command line hth 20:37:06 boily: as in you don't define it. 20:37:06 shachaf: nah. 20:37:10 as in you violate the laws. 20:37:37 uh oh the monoid police is going to get boily 20:37:45 why did you violate the laws boily 20:37:50 it would have been so easy not to 20:37:51 this is what you get when you mess with us 20:38:03 -!- Regis__ has left ("Leaving"). 20:38:07 shachaf: don't care. they can't be more annoying than the SPVM. 20:38:52 aaaargh. why must I be -Walling... it was all good and pure before that... 20:39:03 now I'm stuck with the harsh reality of multiple warnings. 20:39:14 boily, Tree is definitely a Functor, and my intuition is that it goes all the way to MonadPlus, but I could be wrong 20:39:21 boily: Support Pizza Vector Machine? 20:39:26 Prefix is a Bifunctor 20:40:00 @unmtl WriterT [a] [] sym 20:40:00 [(sym, [a])] 20:40:11 @unmtl (a,(b,c)) 20:40:11 (a, (b, c)) 20:40:15 @unmtl ((a,b),c) 20:40:15 ((a, b), c) 20:40:18 Prefix is hence a monadplus 20:40:36 For some interpretations of it 20:40:41 Perhaps not the one you want 20:42:09 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:42:33 Taneb: that is most definitely interesting. wanting it is irrelevant, I'm just curious how the instances will play out. 20:43:02 shachaf: Société de Police de la Ville de Montréal, but you were close. 20:43:43 boily: I thought you were Belgian. 20:43:44 le popo 20:43:50 The world is too hard. 20:43:54 `? boily 20:43:58 boily is Canadian or something. We are not sure about Canada's existence. 20:44:12 shachaf: I'm definitely unconfirmed as Canadian. 20:44:33 I think Koen_ is belgian, iirc. 20:45:00 Who's Belgian in here, then? 20:45:04 It's not fizzie. 20:45:10 there's a town near LA called La Cañada 20:45:54 elliott: now passes -Wall: http://hpaste.org/88426 20:46:00 most notable as the location of JPL 20:49:03 Taneb: I had an applicative instance some days ago, even a traversable one. they were useless, so I chopped them out. 20:49:32 Right 20:49:57 Traversable is useful if you're also using lens 20:50:00 -!- coppro_ has joined. 20:50:35 -!- coppro_ has quit (Client Quit). 20:51:00 * boily shudders at the thought 20:51:47 At least three lens contributors are in this channel right now 20:51:51 Even in this conversation 20:52:13 lens is dead 20:53:07 When did that happen? 20:53:27 where we at now? what's the haskell zeitgeist? we have conduits, lenses, comonads, all variations on functors, competing web frameworks... 20:53:49 shachaf: lol 20:53:52 boily, there's conduits, and there's pipes 20:54:00 Ugh. 20:54:01 And then there's half a dozen more lesser used ones 20:54:10 Taneb: you should join ##CanadaPolitics 20:54:21 coppro, ... 20:54:22 why 20:54:29 DO IT Taneb 20:54:37 I'm feeling suicidal. let's join... 20:54:40 DON'T QUESTION IT 20:54:42 13:32 I need something to doooooo 20:55:35 I'm... uhm... it feels... strange? 20:55:42 I'm gonna establish an elaborate lie 20:55:46 coppro, you are evil. 20:55:59 Taneb: I'd like to see that. 20:57:17 Taneb.............................................................. 20:57:34 Well, if I said I was Canadian they would catch me out 20:57:43 Taneb: non mais tsé, chais pas, t'aurais pu te forcer un peu, non mais... 20:57:45 not if you were any good 20:58:15 I shall instead pretend to be Nebraskan! 20:58:19 Ahahahaha! 20:58:23 who is this channel current authority figure to pander to? I'd like to whack Taneb with great (but polite) force. 20:58:35 I may leave some blood, but in a manner to be easily cleaned. 20:58:53 I believe you want oerjan 20:59:35 well, it'll happen tomorrow. my day is done. 20:59:45 can someone lightly smack Taneb in my absence? 20:59:46 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 20:59:54 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:00:03 Taneb: you are evil 21:01:03 @ask oerjan boily wants someone to lightly smack me. I believe you are the person to ask? 21:01:03 Consider it noted. 21:01:34 oerjan: hello from the distant past 21:04:01 Taneb: you *are* canadian, right? 21:04:06 coppro, no 21:04:08 Very no 21:04:16 oh 21:04:22 ok then 21:04:24 I'm in Hexham 21:04:26 for some reason I thought you was 21:04:33 `? Hexham 21:04:36 Hexham is a European town. There are nine people in Hexham, and at least two of them are in this channel. Taneb looks after the ham. 21:05:10 `the hexham coincidence 21:05:11 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: the: not found 21:05:22 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 21:05:55 Taneb; what's a "mom" hth 21:06:01 I have no idea 21:06:06 Phantom_Hoover, help 21:06:16 My already fractured identity has been fractured further 21:06:45 I'm constructing a detailed backstory for essentially almost trolling ##CanadaPolitics 21:08:37 imo: good idea 21:08:43 proceed without caution 21:10:18 The identity is: a half-english Nebraskan who is writing a big essay-type thing about the domestic politics of various countries 21:10:41 Phantom_Hoover knows all about faking identities for other channels 21:11:04 that's no identity, Taneb 21:11:28 didn't you learn/teach anything when you were an acting student/teacher 21:11:39 shachaf, you should see the identity I've carefully constructed for one of my Tumblr blogs 21:11:51 show me 21:12:03 It's some guy from Edinburgh's new town who now goes to Warwick university and who really doesn't like brainfuck derivatives 21:13:40 is it me 21:14:03 how did you guess 21:16:38 badly 21:20:06 does hexham have a new town 21:20:15 kmc, not really 21:20:27 New Hexham, CA 21:20:38 shachaf, I would totes move there 21:20:43 Totes, I tell you 21:20:47 kmc: it has an old town 21:21:00 elliott, it does? 21:21:09 stari grad hexham 21:21:12 I mean, there's the gaol and the abbey and the moot hall 21:21:16 Taneb: it's all of it 21:21:32 a gaol and an abbey, what more do you need 21:21:34 elliott, they're building something new over the road from me 21:21:43 kmc, the abbey isn't actually an abbey 21:21:51 And the gaol isn't actually a gaol 21:21:59 well that clears things up 21:22:07 They're "just a big church" and a history museum respectively 21:22:27 the famous hexham just a big church 21:23:16 coppro, ##CanadaPolitics is so.... friendly 21:23:20 it gives me the shivers 21:34:09 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:34:10 -!- glogbot has joined. 21:34:13 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:34:13 -!- esowiki has joined. 21:41:33 Goodnight! 21:41:36 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:59:52 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has joined. 22:14:24 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:19:27 hello 22:20:02 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:20:44 @tell boily I'm French thank you very much! 22:20:44 Consider it noted. 22:37:33 http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/18olmrbegl21qjpg/k-bigpic.jpg 22:42:19 -!- sebbu has joined. 22:42:19 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 22:42:20 -!- sebbu has joined. 23:02:14 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:05:07 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 23:09:02 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:09:14 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 23:10:05 -!- Bike has joined. 23:17:57 -!- Bike_ has joined. 23:19:49 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 23:20:25 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 23:24:35 -!- KingOfKarlsruhe has quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90 [Firefox 20.0/2013032900]). 23:37:07 Raspberry Pi is switching to Wayland 23:38:32 what do you mean by that? is there one official distribution for rpi? 23:38:35 i thought there were a number of them 23:40:53 Yeah, I thought that there wasn't a single official distro. 23:41:28 poor teddy! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdYaTa_lOf4 23:41:36 I mean, it's not like it comes with an SD card or anything. 23:41:54 kind of odd since it's supposed to be an educational tool 23:42:32 why is that odd 23:42:40 Similar to the ZX Spectrum or the BBC Micro, no? 23:42:49 didn't those ship with BASIC interpreters at least? 23:42:58 They did. 23:43:04 So did the IBM PC. :) 23:44:42 well I think hardware is probably the 3rd most important problem in educational tech, after #2 "software" and #1 "everything else" 23:44:56 but I guess it's a fair strategy to create the hardware and expect others to do the software 23:45:35 definitely the RPi is a cool product even if it's not an educational tool per se 23:45:56 I still haven't thought of a use for mine. 23:47:21 OLPC put at least as much effort into software as hardware 23:47:36 Where'd OLPC go anyways 23:47:45 they had a lot of cool ideas about how kids can share what they create and can gradually learn how to contribute to development 23:47:55 every app has a "edit source" button basically 23:48:01 Lumpio-: uh, Cambridge MA? 23:48:26 they still exist, I don't know why everyone thinks they died years ago 23:48:36 they failed to totally achieve some very lofty goals 23:48:47 but they have shipped millions of their laptops to children in dozens of countries 23:49:08 Did it magically improve their quality of life or did they figure out how to get facebook on it 23:49:50 heh 23:51:45 here's one study saying it's not that effective http://blogs.worldbank.org/impactevaluations/one-laptop-per-child-is-not-improving-reading-or-math-but-are-we-learning-enough-from-these-evaluati 23:51:49 i don't know really