< 1369785688 891227 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369785700 153654 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.16 PART :#esoteric < 1369785815 428163 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1369786244 151356 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1369788046 41756 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1369788085 42326 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know if the Linux kernel sends information of virtual console and login status to the POST display? Such thing might be useful for security purpose, possibly. < 1369788085 387338 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1369788088 417328 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :?messages < 1369788089 17424 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily said 7h 20s ago: I do. < 1369788109 118161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You do, do you? < 1369788340 505295 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think you can login on linux while the POST is still running. < 1369788444 222633 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: Yes, but I think POST messages are just sent to one of the I/O ports on the PC, they just won't be displayed on the screen unless the POST is running, or something like that, isn't it? < 1369788562 835364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38 < 1369788571 956711 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed Mr. Svine. < 1369788586 783854 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he'll be back < 1369788625 950318 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369788660 901036 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.27 PART :#esoteric < 1369788766 405089 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will he be back when I'm here? < 1369788770 325554 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That seems unlikely < 1369789007 592394 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog < 1369789017 685845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :neverhood++ etc. < 1369789124 545487 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh is that what that is. < 1369789537 110201 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369789753 665099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey mnoqy what do you think of CoYoSet < 1369789757 943503 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(vs. CoYoTe) < 1369789763 687693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/\.// < 1369789789 564057 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369789791 994786 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/Deviating_Percolator < 1369789809 897120 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow I managed to miss the Discussion tab on my language < 1369789811 225399 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1369789979 435664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: imo https on esolangs plz thx hth < 1369789989 512804 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1369790021 789802 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: I think we should have https: support on esolangs.org. < 1369790036 804418 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the point of it on such a site? < 1369790043 573494 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : PUT A/ This now reads "PRINT Z" <-- i don't get this < 1369790063 114603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: Well, people log in with passwords and things? < 1369790083 981947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, people know what esolangs I'm reading about. < 1369790108 73440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I may not want my interest in Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download to be public. < 1369790152 938282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :without HTTPS, not only can people read whan you're seeing, they can tamper with it in arbitrary ways < 1369790158 235372 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :including taking any action you're allowed to take < 1369790208 168272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1369790219 640510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have an account so I'm less concerned about that. < 1369790252 572809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so when is the interview? < 1369790269 748520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow, I think? < 1369790293 707909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm also not that concerned about people tampering with the traffic and showing me wrong esolang information. < 1369790295 114822 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: let me explain < 1369790313 418457 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1369790314 195796 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OHH < 1369790315 205103 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry < 1369790319 279843 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should say "PUT Z" < 1369790321 333540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time? < 1369790322 424956 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eheh < 1369790326 450731 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that makes sense < 1369790338 232827 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was looking for alterations of u or t in vain < 1369790339 963773 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo: fix < 1369790352 888557 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fixed < 1369790378 626147 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be nice if you made it a bit less encoding-dependent by allowing quoting characters < 1369790411 954496 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :encoding-dependent? < 1369790415 772985 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DEFINE A TO '/' instead of DEFINE A TO FORTYSEVEN, though then you lose some of the ancient charm < 1369790424 249495 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1369790426 313634 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's not C < 1369790431 966573 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1369790435 738573 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it deliberately uses ASCII < 1369790440 676416 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1369790443 243132 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll like zzo < 1369790448 957957 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's compatible with ISO 464 < 1369790451 338520 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :strictly speaking < 1369790451 785441 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1369790462 825538 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1369790465 161771 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 646 < 1369790488 460967 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :should be an esolang compliant with "Rolling bearings -- Radial bearings with locating snap ring -- Dimensions and tolerances" imo < 1369790499 605874 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1369790522 253094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1369790532 234919 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'd really like to see if someone smarter than me can find a means to write real programs in this thing < 1369790536 208923 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i could as about the difference between ASCII and this ISO, or i could not do that and remain blissfully ignorant < 1369790539 160591 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as < 1369790542 79494 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kkkkkkkkkkk < 1369790555 389038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 3103 < 1369790616 898136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'The original version (ISO 646 IRV) differed from ASCII only in that in code point 0024, ASCII's dollar sign ($) was replaced by the international currency symbol (¤). The final 1991 version of the code ISO 646:1991... is identical to ASCII." < 1369790626 653915 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know who proposed switching to ¤? communists < 1369790664 638070 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ajf: maybe your 'author reflections' should go in the discussion page? < 1369790687 252001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are a bunch of "national variants" of ISO 646, but I don't think they're part of ISO 646 itself, but ISO 646 does at least specify certain characters that have to be there ("Invariant subset") < 1369790718 809145 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C digraphs/trigraphs exist so that you can write C programs in a national variant using only the invariant subset < 1369790732 93575 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the rest of the characters may or may not be used in valid deviating percolator programs < 1369790741 931738 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how exciting < 1369790758 335228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :somehow they thought that 'int main() ä å' was less readable than 'int main() ??< ??>' < 1369790784 75472 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when is C getting pentagraphs < 1369791203 616977 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: perhaps so that they will always be displayed and printout the same on different computers < 1369791292 127756 :ajf!ajf@90.220.136.96 QUIT : < 1369791409 621009 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The TV caption set also is mostly ASCII but with a few differences. Digi-RGB-Plus also uses a superset of the TV caption set (the added stuff isn't printable characters though). < 1369791422 356249 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1369791531 495627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the TV caption set? i know it has ♫ < 1369791567 527022 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, that is one of the things it has. But you can look it up in Wikipedia or something; I do not entirely remember at this time. < 1369791571 869916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1369791602 3859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIA-608#Characters < 1369791703 968923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, ♪ not ♫ < 1369791722 168802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1369791729 163309 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :♪ LLVM, Z-machine, Nintendo Famicom, etc ♪ | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric < 1369791759 502235 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, now the TOPIC message is better. Now make it into actual music. < 1369791768 597490 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't compose music < 1369791796 83016 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One format for such a thing is "ANSI music" which makes MML in ANSI escape codes, although I don't know of any programs that will play ANSI music.) < 1369791821 968252 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :MML? < 1369792027 952263 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Music Macro Language < 1369792545 382288 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you compose music zzo38 < 1369792560 233029 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Somewhat. < 1369792574 893441 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's hear some < 1369792590 107172 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 can famicompose < 1369792603 326659 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that like posing with a famicom < 1369792608 634715 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so close < 1369792613 231694 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is he photogenic? < 1369792616 613760 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to famicomlisten < 1369792630 592149 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Then you will need some .NSF player program. < 1369792656 384615 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wasn't kidding that ¤ was proposed by communists < 1369792664 282164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :by 1991 the communists had bigger things to worry about < 1369792667 565219 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which communists < 1369792674 934807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't remember < 1369792679 201975 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I didn't expect you do be kidding, but I also don't expect that to be particularly relevant. < 1369792703 578560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you leave yesterday because I was badgering you? < 1369792711 830067 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: No, it was because I was sleeping. < 1369792722 608013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Highly dubious since almost all the Communist nations use Cyrillic script" not really true < 1369792744 850065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://2a03.free.fr/?p=pub&dir=zzo38 < 1369792763 695170 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what, who the heck wrote that < 1369792772 821682 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :someone on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3ACurrency_(typography) < 1369792774 882305 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"some foo' on wikipedia" < 1369792777 754037 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1369792791 527959 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :chinese written in cyrillic is scary < 1369792795 454900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha i bet < 1369792831 196647 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but communist == russian no? < 1369792837 301497 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyrillization_of_Chinese < 1369792857 948340 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's just as scary as Romanization of chinese, really < 1369792881 661587 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and without the ridiculous baggage of postal map < 1369794654 250743 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-198-145.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1369794765 744617 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-95-88.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369794912 897383 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: came on can't you tell me how to crack the hash and call it a day? < 1369795438 382506 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369795585 222519 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1369796231 566697 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.239.21 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369796525 66150 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.239.21 PART :#esoteric < 1369797021 232967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 Weird Old Hash-Cracking Tricks < 1369797230 145445 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :can u decrytp my md5 password i forgot it < 1369797288 421175 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1234 < 1369797294 812889 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1369797296 183662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: we don't need your parodies, we have the real thing in ##crypto < 1369797420 706935 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to hang out in there < 1369797624 563587 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds entertaining, I should sit there and watch < 1369797634 786995 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo............................................................ < 1369797645 40317 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed it anyway. < 1369797691 245713 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1369798011 976116 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay shachaf < 1369798013 527583 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the time has come < 1369798038 228107 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh oh < 1369798047 845486 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that story you keep bugging me to read? < 1369798054 37566 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have decided to get it over with < 1369798065 466812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1369798080 582887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops, it's gone. < 1369798085 310255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PDF was replaced with a new PDF. < 1369798085 502202 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1369798096 525980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm... < 1369798096 994804 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1369798161 660063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This suspicious Russian website seems to have a copy. < 1369798190 115453 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's also in a book. I have either one or two copies of the book.) < 1369798192 28836 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://xn----7sbb3aiknde1bb0dyd.xn--p1ai/index.php?id=78642 < 1369798197 764029 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, that's one suspicious URL. < 1369798255 297394 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a unicode one < 1369798262 219855 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I know. Punycode. < 1369798268 692184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those tend to be up to no good. < 1369798270 784873 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :racist < 1369798277 33454 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=glacierpeak.sno.wednet.edu/teachers/bjuhl/docs/Soph%2520English/Second%2520Semester/Alienation,%2520Tolerance,%2520Cyrano/Related%2520Poems,%2520Articles,%2520Short%2520Stories,%2520Etc/Liking%2520What%2520You%2520See%2520Portrait%2520Version.doc < 1369798282 165840 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's also a copy. < 1369798286 755247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :##crypto has surprisingly little of the thing we were just complaining about < 1369798327 639587 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean copumpkin trolling? < 1369798331 465089 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can fix that < 1369798356 203581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1369798381 487642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cool < 1369798429 8913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :читать-онлайн.рф < 1369798438 273701 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :read-online < 1369798482 267439 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369798496 814180 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.238.22 PART :#esoteric < 1369798501 401064 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why did clarku.edu change their welcome/placement/pdf/reading.pdf? :-( < 1369798506 675459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have the feeling this story isn't actually meant to be floating around on the Internet.) < 1369798526 967502 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they changed the reading for the placement exam?!? < 1369798539 413581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes. I meant why they changed that. < 1369798542 311985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But maybe the net result is that people buy more copies of the book!) < 1369799251 798522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you obfuscate Latin letters using Punycode? < 1369799261 423130 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sort of analogous to overlong UTF-8 < 1369799581 316513 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1369799673 230344 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know, but I suppose if it exist it would be useful for making coding of ASCII characters that aren't allowed in domain names, or to make them case sensitive. < 1369799935 686661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't seems so; Punycode can only encode code points starting at 128. However, it might be possible to encode numbers outside of the Unicode range. < 1369800803 338204 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :Sir_Burpalot < 1369800832 249073 :Sir_Burpalot!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :comex < 1369801326 476024 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :котыква < 1369802291 854076 :carado_!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1369802830 261118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: your name sounds like the russian word for "cabinet", I guess? < 1369802852 509223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :шкаф? < 1369802855 613634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1369802860 180726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's more like шахаф. < 1369802865 731388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose so < 1369802875 834571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ch is a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_uvular_fricative < 1369802886 391911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some day I should learn what all of those are < 1369802896 350152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a Play button on that page! < 1369802914 411315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :▶ < 1369804297 315274 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369804589 327030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1369804637 290295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was that science fiction novel / set of stories / something that I was told here to read < 1369804660 800059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You mean the book that story came from? Or an unrelated book? < 1369804712 843764 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no some other book < 1369804745 156503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a while ago and i don't have other information :'( < 1369804763 639077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in one of the first chapters the aliens send information on how to do FTL communication < 1369805004 992196 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but I should also read Stories of Your Life and Others, yes) < 1369805027 398404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember this. < 1369805036 712505 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe oerjan will remember since he logreads. < 1369805326 605985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first four astrological signs have the same letters as the DNA. < 1369805355 646268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just noticed this now. < 1369805363 821694 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-95-88.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where's uracil? < 1369805393 513604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uracil is used with RNA, not DNA, isn't it? < 1369805434 414319 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: well, anyway, what else should I read < 1369805448 53490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1369805452 85557 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could try to download some smullyan ebooks < 1369805452 673999 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what have you read < 1369805453 443716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which ones < 1369805458 567365 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that depends < 1369805472 211986 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you want "philosophical" or "puzzle" or "academic" or what < 1369805516 723102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :philosophical i think < 1369805560 269923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think this correspondence is a strange coincidence, isn't it? < 1369805570 851443 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-95-88.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but rna is important man < 1369805589 469155 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, it is important, but not relevant to what I am saying. < 1369805770 124843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: _The Tao Is Silent_, _This Book Needs No Title_, _5000 B.C._ < 1369805792 152419 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least those are three main ones I read. I like them. < 1369805847 229482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have wanted to get some books from Smullyan but I don't have any, yet. < 1369805856 801229 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i think i told you you should read _Impro_ by Keith Johnstone < 1369805867 206952 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do it! < 1369805895 503898 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I didn't find it at the store, yet, but perhaps I can find it in a different store; I will try again later. < 1369805956 159594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Perhaps you can find it on the Internet. < 1369806208 395762 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: and which one first? < 1369806245 577392 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The order I gave is reasonable. < 1369806277 819953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I read the second one first. I don't know that it matters much. < 1369807074 334345 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1369809576 619174 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369809754 63139 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369811377 190926 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett QUIT :Quit: No Ping reply in 180 seconds. < 1369811402 763837 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1369811402 867318 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Changing host < 1369811402 938725 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett JOIN :#esoteric < 1369812222 674039 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369813256 41442 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369813265 948463 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is "vega" a prank < 1369813271 487858 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1369813287 244323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the "greek letter" < 1369813345 102491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1369813347 202287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do not know < 1369813365 242305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about vanna and vomma < 1369813391 541059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1369813588 641238 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369813856 740042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hjalp < 1369814271 339337 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hjälp? < 1369814355 93482 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1369814396 4475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄÄ < 1369814408 729956 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as what's-'is-name would say) < 1369814467 206405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ååååååååååååååååååååååål < 1369814808 72578 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Was jsvine the reporter? <-- yes, and presumably still is, unless what he read in here made him want to ragequit his job < 1369814842 310202 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: People who are not in #esoteric don't exist. < 1369814847 33019 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why do you think we want to keep you here? < 1369814866 394152 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see, there's that solipsism thing again < 1369814874 692933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not a solipsist! < 1369814881 290305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think *all* of us here in #esoteric exist. < 1369814885 855039 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And we're all different people. < 1369814926 223186 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if philosophers have a word for that one though < 1369814929 786606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"This is the kind of people I have to interact with, because of my job? *ragequits*" < 1369815183 80224 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :are laptops PCs? < 1369815209 419790 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1369815225 710108 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :laptops are NPCs hth < 1369815229 640669 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should just abort this line of inquiry < 1369815349 759466 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :my actual question is something more like: one of my pet peeves is the phrase "post-PC world" because I don't think programmers will stop using PCs any time soon (mainly for the dual monitors amirite) and so it's a silly phrase but maybe we'll just start calling non-portable computers "workstations" again and everything will be OK < 1369815372 976618 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought "PC" meant "IBM PC compatible". < 1369815422 925217 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think people who use the phrase "post-PC world" are thinking quite that specifically about the term < 1369815456 606416 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i didn't get the impression "post-PC world" == "omg Apple won" < 1369815508 730279 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, it's "omg ARM computers won" < 1369815586 791457 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the context i've seen it in, it seemed more about mobile devices... and if those include laptops, then ok, sure, I can develop software on a netbook; but i've never tried developing software on anything smaller -- i'm sure it's possible, but i'm not sure anyone'd want to < 1369815676 914120 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, Steve Jobs apparently coined/popularized that phrase. so maybe i've got it entirely wrong < 1369815726 148833 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[Jobs] said that PCs are going to be "like trucks" in that they'll still be around and useful for certain work, but only a smaller percentage of the users will need one." ok, that's actually sane. < 1369815751 458200 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still think we should go back to calling them workstations, though < 1369815928 654754 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The IEEE will accept: any IBM-PC (or 100% compatible) disk format: 3.5-in/720k/l.44 Mb" they're very modern over there. < 1369815968 533700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The "IBM PC" mention reminded me of reading that a while ago.) < 1369816040 635584 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think we should start calling them workhorses. < 1369816055 86749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a plethora of horse-related slang vocabulary that could be adapted. < 1369816249 518224 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm, bridle, stirrups, feedbag... well, i know i've worked in cubicle-less environments where i would've really have liked to wear a set of blinders, might that count? < 1369816277 880902 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :headphones look less silly but they only mask out aural noise < 1369816320 771248 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't like this world because i don't want the line between people who make programs and people who merely use them to be so sharp < 1369816370 418357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in apple's world you have to pay another thousand bucks for the machine that can make programs *and* you have to run all the programs you make by apple first < 1369816415 398241 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true that most people will never make a program, but many of the people who do make programs didn't set out to do so in a spend-a-thousand-bucks way; they just stumbled into it here or there < 1369816457 252933 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i understand the feeling, but also, there's that whole "division of labour" thing. < 1369816491 670508 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo delegating the ability to write programs to someone else is like delegating the ability to read to someone else < 1369816511 640029 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the ability to read programs < 1369816513 881260 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also, like I said, I'm fine with the division of labor, I just don't think the divide should be so entrenched < 1369816526 975112 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: nobody has that < 1369816575 414289 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reverse Engineering And Debugging < 1369816595 597878 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :before you can read programs, someone needs the ability to write programs that can be read < 1369816610 944252 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, software engineering is a bit unusual in that it is unregulated < 1369816618 248955 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most other fields of engineering are < 1369816627 593881 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i don't like where it's going very much either. having said that, ... i can change the oil in my car and maybe fix a flat, ... < 1369816636 279863 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm romanticizing the past but I thought in the 80s you could buy a 'home computer' (incl. the Apple ][!) and play some games and run some business programs and then one day, if you need to do something new, you can learn BASIC quickly and write a little BASIC program without being like "I must buy a totally different machine and also get a 4 year CS degree before I can do anything" < 1369816658 628559 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we've sort of gone backwards in that regard < 1369816701 950332 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I'm not sure what engineering means but I suspect "software engineering" is not related < 1369816735 116813 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the 2010s you could buy a 'home computer' (incl. a Mac!) and play some games and run some business programs and then one day, if you need to do something new, you can learn any one of ten different languages and write a program < 1369816753 822125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: or you can buy an iPad and not be able to do that < 1369816764 713113 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and Apple wants a world eventually where most people only have an iPad and not a computer < 1369816770 438463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what we were talking about, that's what I'm complaining about < 1369816782 557289 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a software engineer is more like a ship's engineer than a professional engineer... sort of. < 1369816791 435572 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why are we caring about what Apple wants < 1369816803 963868 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: because they are one of the richest and most powerful entities in the world? < 1369816813 500911 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do we care what the US government wants? because it affects us < 1369816819 499043 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: well, a lot of people want that (Apple or no) too, it would seem < 1369816842 377581 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i learned recently that >50% of mobile device use actually happens *at home* < 1369816845 899655 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apple isn't going to take over your PC, or probably your Mac for that matter < 1369816846 6655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I more like an auto mechanic than a quantum mechanic < 1369816859 368214 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most attempts I've seen to justify why programming isn't engineering end up being mystical nonsense and confirmation of existing biases in the audience < 1369816859 615953 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i might be misremembering the percentage but it's surprisingly large < 1369816890 549973 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason we aren't happy thinking of ourselves as engineers, we have to be special snowflake hacker wizard painter ninjas < 1369816907 713554 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: professional engineers write proofs. < 1369816910 349112 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Programming is like rock music. You get a wacky idea, and pull some friends together in your garage and hope a big company decides to fund your work later on. < 1369816911 867855 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :srsly < 1369816917 885020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just a regular snowflake :'( < 1369816918 474540 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's convenient because it justifies any personal quirks, any bizarre work style, puts the blame 100% on management for being unmanageable < 1369816954 379949 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: except rock bands give up a lot more equity :) < 1369816977 454521 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, don't join a rock band (you also need actual talent) < 1369816979 327335 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :an engineer produces a document that proves that the design meets the spec. proofs about software are hard (=expensive) so no one does them (unless lives or a whole lot of money are at stake.) < 1369817045 579920 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think most civil engineers write proofs of anything < 1369817086 748095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was at a civil engineer student meeting thing in Berkeley. < 1369817094 915213 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ship's engineer, on the other hand, keeps the ship running. which, in the internet age, is a lot like SHIT IS THAT MY PAGER < 1369817102 140282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was a presentation about startups. < 1369817114 177845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't escape :'( < 1369817125 748974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :did they disrupt bridge building < 1369817143 354013 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're in the bay area, shachaf. Everything is about startups. < 1369817151 827916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. < 1369817176 275405 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They talked about Y Combinator, this competition that happens twice a year, once in Boston and once in CA. If the judges of the competition like you you get more money. < 1369817181 728698 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i shouldn't move there :/ < 1369817195 470675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: heh < 1369817200 568874 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not very accurate... < 1369817224 677666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1369817256 115815 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how can we use civil engineering to solve the problems of rich 20somethings by gluing together a few existing parts < 1369817265 328173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway it was funny. My friend the civil engineering major suggested that I go but I didn't expect that. < 1369817273 235186 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CEaaS -- civil engineering as a service < 1369817297 405898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like an AIRBNB but for MUNICIPAL SEWER SYSTEMS! < 1369817338 70352 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369817354 248225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've got a bridge to give you a special 90% local deal on < 1369817370 416165 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who, me? < 1369817376 663537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like a KICKSTARTER but for FUNDING RAPID TRANSIT SYSTEMS! < 1369817387 765206 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i would be all over that < 1369817393 607289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Yes, you. < 1369817401 67267 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Be careful kmc, you might actually get investors for that. < 1369817424 218430 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: should caltrain be replaced with bart < 1369817434 461148 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whos bart < 1369817443 8651 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande asked me when he was in palo alto < 1369817445 133357 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy asks the tough questions < 1369817457 278225 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: your bart < 1369817457 585154 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bart is a guy who shows up at your house with a rickshaw < 1369817470 197152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: this would result in it being grade separated and electrified < 1369817472 399416 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes < 1369817483 157935 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or a rickroll, or a rickrain) < 1369817486 435509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hey ask me a tough question < 1369817530 790501 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1369817546 294917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey mnoqy do you know about trains < 1369817553 84002 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no whats a train < 1369817556 457135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you like trains < 1369817563 966646 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard good things about them < 1369817565 296572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :y/y < 1369817578 125449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever been on a train < 1369817585 796511 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hey how's well doing < 1369817588 291734 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive been on the kiddie train at the zoo < 1369817600 779566 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well's doing well < 1369817608 991921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1369817726 502719 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whats well < 1369817733 638528 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is y/y an emoticon of some sort < 1369817736 996812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :all is well < 1369817737 298343 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that's a tough question < 1369817758 203223 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks kind of like a lizard with its hands up maybe < 1369817761 464227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc's a tough person < 1369817775 616989 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1369817809 193705 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :help i think i've reached the edge of the terrarium y/y < 1369817833 209854 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :y7y might be even better < 1369817842 838468 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm a lizard and I give up y/y < 1369817870 449127 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369817903 67739 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help im not seeing it y7y < 1369818008 979880 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how doth the little mnoqydile / improve his shining tail < 1369818083 510590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are at least six Linux kernel source trees in my home directory < 1369818094 414183 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds bad < 1369818115 90477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no is linux a virus < 1369818152 937546 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Divine and Moral Songs for Children < 1369818163 14890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Against_Idleness_and_Mischief < 1369818183 348857 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=H.4998758826115227 is as close as i've found so far < 1369818184 967400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :must sleep now < 1369818214 960356 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotate it a bit visually < 1369818218 905848 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: You have a flight in, what, 10 hours? < 1369818247 254259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1369818261 909648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like 11 < 1369818278 630205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's settle on 10 hours and 40 minutes. < 1369818303 935622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :10 hours and 60 minutes would be much more like 11 < 1369818340 828893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I am taught to know / The danger I was in; / By nature, and by practice too, / A wretched slave to sin. < 1369818369 547315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That I am led to see / I can do nothing well; / And whither shall a sinner flee, / To save himself from hell? < 1369818374 568628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"good stuff" < 1369818442 137681 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1369818493 61756 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should get copies of this book and hand it out to children < 1369818513 919258 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A TRAIN from Nice to Geneva cost the same amount of money (25 EUR) as the airport BUS from Lugano to Malpensa, even though the distance is like twenty times that. < 1369818536 990209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the power of TRAINS, I believe. < 1369818556 863688 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: hey can i be a train < 1369818558 770920 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i grow up < 1369818572 45525 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The little engine that could. < 1369819509 149666 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369820095 450614 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is '-)XX_.Xa_$-(' a proper numeric format string? < 1369820209 615679 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the ASCII subset of x86 machine code is turing-complete < 1369820233 395605 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Assuming some storage device on the COM1 port with infinite storage < 1369820267 34530 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369820277 89198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Maybe it is, I think people have tried to do things like this sometimes. < 1369820453 169373 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know it is possible to write DOS programs using ASCII < 1369820483 863933 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Assuming you mean the printable characters of ASCII, people habitually write shellcode using that. < 1369820512 744835 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm also thinking it means you can't access certain instructions, call instructions with certain characters or access certain memory adresses < 1369820530 642989 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Yeah, printable < 1369820539 996822 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kernel entirely written in the ASCII subset perhaps? < 1369820543 172605 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Since otherwise there wouldn't be any problem < 1369820548 663884 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, although maybe it may be possible to make self-modifying codes or whatever < 1369820556 717841 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: Well, ASCII in general would limit you to half of the instructions. < 1369820569 629698 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably certain you can access any memory address, just circuitously. < 1369820578 968039 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: On a PC, at least, I don't think you can because the MBR code is required to end with a certain code. < 1369820581 453284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Allowing for self-modifying code, probably also do anything you want. < 1369820601 710092 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: AA55? < 1369820628 150174 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 PRIVMSG #esoteric :though the kernel does not have to include a boot loader < 1369820639 362961 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :lifthrasiir: Yes, like that, and 0xAA isn't the printable ASCII range. < 1369820645 273496 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Probably through modifying the code as it's being executed < 1369820690 897900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need self-modification for arbitrary memory access, though; just some indirect addressing modes and general arithmetics. < 1369820711 785152 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1369820840 190440 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently there's at least one converter for generic x86 code to purely alphanumeric ASCII. < 1369820883 821004 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(That one is based on self-modifying code; encodes the original code in some alphanumeric format; at runtime, decodes and executes.) < 1369820908 603765 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably there's more than one.) < 1369821062 401737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have discovered what feather is. < 1369821077 971890 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369821089 574876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :$STUPID_TIME_TRAVEL_REFERENCING_REPLY < 1369821105 902385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh? < 1369821107 862126 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(One is required by the conventions whenever Feather is mentioned.) < 1369821109 562805 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :feather is feather.perl6.nl < 1369821147 948940 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, well, one is required also when it's about some other feather altogether. Them's the rules. < 1369821217 408749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie sounds almost Dutch with your pronunciation < 1369821237 326223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"je" is a Dutch diminutive, you know. < 1369821243 474910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ANY DUTCH PEOPLE HERE < 1369821248 749265 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(OR BELGIAN PEOPLE) < 1369821275 729461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know they do -je a lot. < 1369821313 320534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I spent a month in the Flemish region of Belgium last summer, it was all -je. < 1369821313 876940 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pietsje" is a name, for instance. < 1369821319 738116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's the spelling? < 1369821324 72613 :Tritonio__!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1369821325 445957 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be wrong. < 1369821387 822556 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Boomstammetje met bloemkool. < 1369821418 486152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: What do you think of monoids? < 1369821448 50489 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369821453 924186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolsner < 1369821460 228599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(According to the menu at where I was, that means: meat tree with cauliflower.) < 1369821492 931357 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :All I know about them is the proverbial easiness. < 1369821494 707531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :CHECKMEAT, VEGETARIANS < 1369821513 672232 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mmm, meat tree < 1369821563 249953 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also from the menu: "Hungarian castle cemetary stew with tree trunks," or, "Graveyard stew from the Hungarian castles, with tree trunks." < 1369821582 264702 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(First from the English menu; second from Google translate of the local language version.) < 1369821601 227563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good menu < 1369821608 224254 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was sometimes kind of hard to figure out in advance what it will be like. < 1369821625 761581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: The English translation seems to be pretty good. < 1369821640 647586 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: NEVER MIND < 1369822258 837922 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YES, AHAHA < 1369822264 661750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :HI TANEB < 1369822269 922576 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My path to knowing Agda has just furthered ONE MORE STEP < 1369822279 814296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no! < 1369822281 605589 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What happened? < 1369822287 695842 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lem-!-tab : forall {A n} (f : Fin n -> A)(i : Fin n) -> < 1369822287 801708 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : (tabulate f ! i) == f i < 1369822287 873289 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lem-!-tab {_} {zero} _ () < 1369822287 873482 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lem-!-tab {_} {suc n} f fzero = refl < 1369822287 873591 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lem-!-tab {t} {suc n} f (fsuc i) = lem-!-tab {t} {n} (f ∘ fsuc) i < 1369822299 155367 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That happened < 1369822307 13818 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's probably awful Agda < 1369822357 671960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's tabulate? < 1369822389 13231 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :From http://www.cse.chalmers.se/~ulfn/papers/afp08/tutorial.pdf < 1369822403 717633 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabulate : {n : Nat}{A : Set} -> (Fin n -> A) -> Vec A n < 1369822403 789080 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabulate {zero} f = [] < 1369822403 789197 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tabulate {suc n} f = f fzero :: tabulate (f ∘ fsuc) < 1369822421 330905 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1369822438 585209 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's a proof that (tabulate f ! i) == f i. < 1369822453 893338 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I think so < 1369822457 7452 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hope so < 1369822458 326732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's fzero? < 1369822472 500971 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a series of racing games made by Nintendo < 1369822493 103787 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense. < 1369822508 70415 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Fin : Nat -> Set where < 1369822508 141998 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : fzero : {n : Nat} -> Fin (suc n) < 1369822508 142189 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : fsuc : {n : Nat} -> Fin n -> Fin (suc n) < 1369822519 777388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I see the pdf < 1369822521 828224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about lem-tab-! ? < 1369822532 809575 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the next exercise! < 1369822721 779842 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does lem stand for lemma? I thought it stood for law of excluded middle. < 1369822730 138381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Exercise: Prove the lemma of excluded middle. < 1369822736 376521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it stood for lemmings. < 1369822760 878053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lemming.T < 1369822772 675942 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd have to ask the person who wrote these exercises < 1369822779 275110 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just someone working at home at his own pace < 1369822861 661862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"http://sprunge.us/MbWM <- re standing for something. < 1369822897 892190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is there a " in my http. < 1369822923 731677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369823602 286560 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: illuminati < 1369823991 709324 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Illumi"ati. < 1369824690 115528 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1369825963 43496 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369826732 711692 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369826792 214537 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://twitter.com/mwotton/statuses/339697660984438784 < 1369826942 112580 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1369828489 264445 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1369828498 792294 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369828573 226982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#esoteric < 1369828573 330771 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing here < 1369828575 207126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell < 1369828576 511408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help < 1369828576 592873 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can get help about specific command with #help . Commands: #echo, #cat, #ls, #rm, #writefile, #cc, #exec, #msg, #readmsg, #forth, #loadforth, #eliza, #/etc/passwd < 1369828583 611467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ls < 1369828590 76151 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help ls < 1369828590 182650 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :No help available on "ls" < 1369828591 876514 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#help #ls < 1369828592 22089 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ls - List files < 1369828596 793913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo hi < 1369828597 2264 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1369828815 90351 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369828862 512993 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one? < 1369828898 380216 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#whatlanguageareyouwritteninoonbotti < 1369828963 746757 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for two seconds I thought you were answering a question from the interview < 1369829051 618339 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, just noticing another bot < 1369829060 660191 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#/etc/passwd what does that do < 1369829060 910286 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :root:x:0:0:Root Administrator:/root:/bin/mksh\nnobody:x:99:99:Unprivileged User:/dev/null:/bin/false\nwww:x:80:80:Web Server User:/var/www:/bin/false\nmessagebus:x:25:25:DBUS Daemon User:/dev/null:/bin/false\nhaldaemon:x:26:26:HAL Daemon User:/dev/null:/bin/false\nnaw:x:1000:1000:Linux User,,,:/home/naw:/bin/mksh\npjotr:x:1001:1001:Linux User,,,:/home/pjotr:/bin/sh\nnortti:x:1337:1337:Linux User,,,:/home/nortti:/bin/mksh\n < 1369829090 27027 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cat /etc/passwd < 1369829090 322424 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not allowed to read in /etc/passwd < 1369829130 225413 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that explains why it's its own command, but i'm still kind of at a loss as to why that functionality exists < 1369829142 360262 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops, The Interview is in, what, 8 hours? < 1369829149 178547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no way I'll be awake in 8 hours, is there? < 1369829154 937756 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: something like that < 1369829170 198853 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's called NoDoz < 1369829185 195863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :NoThx < 1369829186 58344 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :note, not actually suggesting that < 1369829200 583466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late. < 1369829220 104547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just bought a book by N. G. de Bruijn! < 1369829384 229097 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's all written in de Bruijn notation -- which is, admittedly, a little difficult to imagine for prose < 1369829420 3768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :de bruijn notation has prose and conse < 1369829484 242473 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: because people kept trying to #cat /etc/passwd so if they really are that interested I added #/etc/passwd < 1369829497 183545 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :conse and care and cdre and cadre < 1369829540 114976 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :caddadre < 1369829548 879647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#/etc/shadow < 1369829550 934713 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cat /etc/shadow < 1369829551 254320 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not allowed to read in /etc/shadow < 1369829554 249898 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@cat meow < 1369829554 503642 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: fact faq ft let map part what < 1369829559 90911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cat meow < 1369829562 995719 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: i see. following the same logic, if people kept trying to crash it, would you add a #crash command? (also, what language is it written in?) < 1369829568 961286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#crash < 1369829578 639287 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would and python < 1369829594 505434 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cat /dev/null # this'll surely crash the bot! < 1369829594 622002 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not allowed to read in /dev/null < 1369829662 595002 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo @tell cpressey important message from oonbotti < 1369829662 988000 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell cpressey important message from oonbotti < 1369829663 150902 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1369829701 383097 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: any messages for me? < 1369829722 670466 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sigh < 1369829723 171794 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. < 1369829734 359530 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1369829734 813806 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti said 1m 11s ago: important message from oonbotti < 1369829734 885784 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: Can you elaborate on that? < 1369829742 578466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess it's time to make a bot loop. < 1369829748 752148 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :important message from oonbotti < 1369829752 743047 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369829760 37763 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bot loop makes a lot of boops. < 1369829765 701585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369829765 905866 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ߪ < 1369829786 133347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ test #echo ?where test < 1369829786 377753 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will never forget. < 1369829790 299279 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cat /bin/ls < 1369829790 404927 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You are not allowed to read in /bin/ls < 1369829805 288387 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :#ls . < 1369830065 241063 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :note: oonbitti doesn't call external programs outside of #cc (broken) and #exec (broken) < 1369830075 362783 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should make oonbotti leave. < 1369830084 342829 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If there's a bot loop, I mean. < 1369830088 599732 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1369830093 173152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369830093 386985 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ?where test < 1369830093 530471 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369830093 743047 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ?where test < 1369830093 850885 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369830094 101396 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ?where test < 1369830094 239510 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369830094 479372 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ?where test < 1369830094 580306 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369830094 793320 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ?where test < 1369830094 899711 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369830095 439705 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ?where test < 1369830095 547132 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369830097 348415 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ?where test < 1369830097 447457 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369830099 367638 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ?where test < 1369830099 509973 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369830100 495547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @ignore + oonbotti < 1369830101 354036 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo ?where test < 1369830101 457893 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where test < 1369830110 951309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: @ignore - oonbotti < 1369830117 436099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :?where+ test ߪ < 1369830117 685428 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good to know. < 1369830146 450760 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a +q all ready in the input line history, but then you made it happen just when I gave up on waiting for it to happen. < 1369830193 201491 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Success! < 1369830197 251004 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which bot were you going to +q? < 1369830209 95947 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or was I the intended target? You can still do that. < 1369830250 440017 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti, for reasons that I don't really know. < 1369830250 811045 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Let's change focus a bit... Tell me about your family. < 1369830438 518803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: Tell me about loom. < 1369830438 590570 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Let's change focus a bit... Tell me about your family. < 1369830446 288870 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: Do you ever say anything else? < 1369830446 396749 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Perhaps the answer lies within yourself? < 1369830494 505664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: Do you always answer questions with another question? < 1369830494 813600 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why don't you tell me? < 1369830511 472658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: Based on what I've seen so far, I think the answer is "yes". < 1369830511 843572 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see. And what does that tell you? < 1369830575 913397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: You even answer statements with questions. < 1369830576 25090 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Why do you care whether I even answer statements with questions.? < 1369830624 269395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: You even do punctuation wrong sometimes. < 1369830624 563830 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why do you say that about me? < 1369830632 677255 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: Because it's TRUE. < 1369830632 995719 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: If it's true., what else must be true? < 1369830644 196967 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's exactly what I'm talking about. < 1369830666 383999 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is eliza, what did you expect? < 1369830687 290913 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sentience. < 1369830701 839057 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? < 1369830717 48673 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: are you sentient? < 1369830717 164043 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Would you prefer it if I were not sentient? < 1369830722 459981 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: no < 1369830722 555934 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: Can you elaborate on that? < 1369830724 386655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: I hate you. < 1369830724 485618 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Very interesting. < 1369830733 302797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: See? < 1369830756 956703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: You could learn something about replies that are generally appropriate in most contexts, though. < 1369830757 412841 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: throughout this manual contains the location of the chosen 16k block of memory pointer 648, basic doesn't require blanks between words unless leaving them out would give you the cycles per second. < 1369830796 755025 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1369830796 864608 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64* ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1369830804 707950 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style hate < 1369830804 779571 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not found. < 1369830814 187371 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style fungot < 1369830814 295394 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: fungot (What I've said myself) < 1369830831 834115 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, why not feed fungot into fungot? < 1369830832 268057 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: " and this is a new game. there is no. yellow is yes is ticked). we'll know that's our memory...... calling...... that thing's not human... < 1369830886 195363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate all of everything. < 1369830894 721114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: Ugh. < 1369830894 792691 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I see. And what does that tell you? < 1369830910 340742 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: It tells me that everyone's being irritating. < 1369830910 447702 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I see. And what does that tell you? < 1369830928 356450 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti: It tells me that... I don't know what! < 1369830928 479375 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I see. < 1369830976 277975 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1369830987 877354 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :#echo fungot: hi < 1369830987 949049 :oonbotti!~oonbotti@91-145-118-87.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: hi < 1369830988 198357 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nortti: and is one thing which you might want is broken" archives. even less chance. i called " o" in " the other side has more bizarre results. it was, that he was overcome with the vastness, profundity, and fnord < 1369831017 483924 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: hi < 1369831020 914208 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i hear i missed a thing < 1369831051 979327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: You didn't miss me hating everything. < 1369831068 518723 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should I just quit IRC? < 1369831078 193984 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you want < 1369831082 345517 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you missed reporter coming in and getting a feel for the channel < 1369831084 996924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't. < 1369831091 165343 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or do I? < 1369831093 548935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even know. < 1369831098 975425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You missed a reporter "copping a feel". < 1369831099 568320 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yes so I hear < 1369831132 979668 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it as good as i'm imagining, i don't want to spoil it by reading the logs < 1369831165 970925 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369831193 468919 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, aiui he still plans to come back tonight, so < 1369831208 518467 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure what you were imagining < 1369831253 507125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :When was the Real Deal again? Thursday? < 1369831274 128914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In about 7 hours. < 1369831365 137038 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369831371 256930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: did anyone take the opportunity to tell him how awful an idea this whole thing is < 1369831401 365582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Everything is awful. < 1369831406 890095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PART :#esoteric < 1369831435 259485 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yes. he seems undaunted. < 1369831459 358881 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: a true journalist < 1369831745 387209 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: who's knowlton? < 1369831786 936425 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like how the channel started a discussing of rickrolling after he joined. gotta show him we're up to date < 1369831932 656928 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric : OTOH, being the sort of game that tends to be PSPACE-complete /does/ imply that a playfield-like concept exists :) <-- SET GAME is a little closer to Nim... harder to see that as a playfield < 1369832101 292111 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:11:34: http://www.jsvine.com/ this is probably the journalist < 1369832105 901002 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: grats doing this while he's in the channel < 1369832150 608851 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:15:52: jsvine, as you can tell, we are a community who, although primarily linked by esoteric programming languages, share a wide variety of interests < 1369832153 569198 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:16:03: Including rampant silliness < 1369832154 359797 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: if this gets printed... < 1369832183 444804 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IT WILL BE AWESOME < 1369832183 806734 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: never mind that question. irc logs are sometimes hard to read < 1369832203 854193 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I'll have been quoted in both the Wall Street Journal AND the Financial Times < 1369832261 792095 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369832364 217322 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the book "The Cognitive Connection" they mention a programming language designed, essentially, as art. In the 80's, by someone French, iirc. I'll have to find that book again sometime. < 1369832416 9702 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's also... that one video game... and that one virtual world. < 1369832440 428035 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, fickle mnemosyne < 1369832499 330379 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was the video game which was Befunge with humungous mechas, wasn't there? < 1369832519 411716 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: that's the one; I want to call it "fallen winter wolf" which is clearly not it < 1369832537 128956 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :betcha that when i do remember, though, the logic there will seem less random < 1369832537 355684 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Carnage Heart < 1369832545 569259 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnage_Heart < 1369832546 739528 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i... retract that bet < 1369832569 422930 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, carnage ~= fallen, maybe, but i don't know where "winter wolf" came from < 1369832578 50399 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway ty Taneb < 1369832588 185028 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the world, Sgeo might know < 1369832590 520631 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No problem < 1369832611 519051 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to say something like "actionworld" < 1369832625 126972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :now we have to make a game called fallen winter wolf < 1369832672 535695 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, I could play F Zero < 1369832683 195083 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: From "Heart of the Winter Wolf", a paranormal romance novel, of course. < 1369832700 226828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"James Macleod was a Changeling who'd lost everything dear to him in a single night of blood and fire. Devastated by guilt and driven by grief, he became a great white wolf and vowed never to walk as a man again - until a small blonde veterinarian shook his resolve and his world." < 1369832705 725566 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It must've made an impression on you. < 1369832750 617207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Active Worlds is one of the virtual reality platforms, if that's what you meant. < 1369832757 993065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also called "AW".) < 1369832777 719548 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Formerly AlphaWorld.) < 1369832786 624349 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :calling sgeo < 1369832969 763890 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paging Dr. Sgeo? < 1369832980 995303 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that synopsis had me at "small" < 1369833019 85588 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369833039 118066 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and yes, i think i was thinking of Active Worlds, but i don't actually know much about it < 1369833256 559022 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly not. I got the impression things were more coded *by* things *in* the world; maybe i got an misconception, or maybe i'm thinking of something else < 1369833290 556 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369833402 68977 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369833497 538639 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bon matin! < 1369833575 241089 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369834052 584976 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i was confusing it with KidSim < 1369834200 659594 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn ZOMGMODULES is a small blonde veterinarian < 1369834210 200047 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1369834215 190927 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? cpressey < 1369834217 506556 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey has invented more esolangs than you can shake a stick at. Also he's older than the universe hth. < 1369834276 657662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? catseye < 1369834278 832729 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :catseye? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1369834300 825132 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha oerjan linking jsvine to the wikipedia piet afd < 1369834309 189799 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that'll make a great part of the article < 1369834327 118132 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn cpressey invented the esolang, the pipe cleaner and the electrical mouse. < 1369834331 815695 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1369834342 946318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: btw cpressey has wanted to know about friendship mouse for a few days < 1369834389 441423 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many cpressey wisdoms are we at? < 1369834406 16138 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey is all wisdom < 1369834441 252728 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1369834462 141666 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369834479 61907 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey, http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-08-10#141057PhantomHoover onwards hth < 1369834489 321768 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it carries on to the next day, too < 1369834822 713466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice that log has some prime itidus for cpressey to understand too < 1369834899 129112 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus' = ditidus / dx | n = 20 < 1369834907 981328 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/n/x/ < 1369835240 735660 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I miss itidus < 1369835477 148880 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that log page is awesome < 1369835596 425243 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1369836230 768328 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369836453 903245 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369836468 72613 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar KJFK < 1369836468 490338 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KJFK 291351Z 24004KT 6SM HZ BKN010 BKN085 18/16 A3012 RMK AO2 SLP198 T01830156 < 1369836540 366913 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: good cloudy morning! < 1369836550 24679 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: good cloudy morning, says I. < 1369836555 883564 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once again autocompletion hates me. < 1369836883 435035 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: good morning! < 1369837571 50347 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369837699 2049 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369838440 453479 :koko_!814319a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.67.25.161 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369838459 66605 :koko_!814319a1@gateway/web/freenode/ip.129.67.25.161 QUIT :Client Quit < 1369838749 212041 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369839462 261271 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369839567 789897 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1369840431 966578 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369840558 948030 :Tritonio_!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369840571 340195 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369840705 259575 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369840715 39742 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369840900 51882 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369840978 855041 :Tritonio!~Tritonio@cust-208-22.on5.ontelecoms.gr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369841278 288209 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1369841446 42113 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369841804 10259 :abumirqaan!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nviqvhruvafcdpmt QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369842028 273364 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369842073 237456 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369842135 237883 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Today I connected to X-BIT but most door programs aren't working (even IceEdit isn't working). I think all the ones that are failing are DOS programs, so perhaps the DOS subsystem broke somehow. Some door programs do work; I think those ones are written in JavaScript, though. I did manage to successfully send a message by setting the "editor" config to "none", however. < 1369842180 683389 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: good fungotty morning! < 1369842180 902865 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: just to help an fnord archive) it's ( syntactically) long < 1369842200 818300 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: they had javascript in the bbs days? < 1369842214 39246 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: No, but they do now. < 1369842244 269007 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369842393 887532 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the Mozilla JavaScript, so the extensions which are supported by Mozilla are supported in Synchronet too. < 1369842518 41081 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369842711 66331 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :holy fungot. peeking at crawl's git repo is very spoily, but oooooh... it feels good... < 1369842711 282804 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: more simply put: siod sucks as a general purpose ( similar, and i'd like to see that mystical forest powers, but this time on the impact of the introduction to theoretical computer, fnord of the fnord here, so i don't < 1369842721 267596 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369842830 534187 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot on fungot is extremely fungot-y < 1369842830 809196 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i am just as confused. you know, that the hall. a good hit will wake and behold < 1369842882 186103 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hits fungot good. “Behold!” < 1369842882 401043 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there < 1369842902 332579 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great type < 1369842916 86920 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote boily: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there < 1369842916 196540 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: if that is not used commonly and carries with it an array subscript < 1369842919 685633 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1042) boily: that is just a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there < 1369843092 674121 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: lemme change what i said to: thank you for mentioning Knowlton because I was not really aware of him before. http://www.kenknowlton.com/pages/04portrait.htm is a good read < 1369843201 65037 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369843245 128216 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369843375 958964 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Maybe oerjan will remember since he logreads. <-- nope. < 1369843418 67481 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe shachaf will never know since he doesn't. < 1369843437 267017 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369843456 873622 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1369844349 41541 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1369845087 901722 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what should i read < 1369845088 228508 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: uh, sorry, i have no information. he seemed, in fine, i can verify it in the files that were given to me. if anybody has any information on funge-108 i would be interest... < 1369845157 794710 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-95-88.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1369845194 471392 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot wants to upgrade < 1369845194 585101 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: if it's ( syntactically) long < 1369845282 291573 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369845299 513522 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369845428 994124 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369845527 477428 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369845535 848189 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: np < 1369845591 457575 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, interview today < 1369845608 290666 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's going to end up in the newspaper < 1369845610 450687 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldnt that be happening now < 1369845716 873702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time? < 1369845752 490102 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :4 pm edt, i think was said < 1369845802 32438 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: also the site had already been linked like twice. i'm real good at this stalky thing < 1369845850 837780 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1369845901 857251 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :!malbolge ('&%:9]!~}|z2Vxwv-,POqponl$Hjig%eB@@>a=wisdom/lie < 1369849313 553195 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1369849351 483202 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369849474 60648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The fact that all wisdoms go through rnooodl is I think kind of silly. < 1369849486 909526 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1369849553 816634 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck noodle < 1369849554 139011 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :noodle definition: a stupid person. < 1369849748 134109 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369850182 5970 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369850241 171316 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369850911 168265 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369851360 567892 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn nooodl is a stupid person < 1369851362 642573 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1369851520 936090 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369851648 409431 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made some SQL extensions to improve some thing such as, making the EXEC function to execute SQL statements inside of a expression, CREATE_FUNCTION to create a function (when the function is called, it inserts a single row into the table or view named by the function but with "FN_" at front, where the first field is the context pointer and the others are the function parameters), and the COUNTER virtual table to make all 64-bit integers. < 1369851778 873381 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Obviously, if you try to access the COUNTER table without a constraint, it will take too long and have too many records. < 1369851903 942223 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still trying to SQLRPG? < 1369851949 503384 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I stopped temporarily, but will continue. Nevertheless, this can be used for that and other purposes; Z-Comp is also partially in SQL so it helps for that too (the other part of Z-Comp is written in JotaCode). < 1369851986 407242 :koko_!5218f3ec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.24.243.236 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369852053 443991 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck jotacode < 1369852053 653878 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1369852068 78605 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369852100 686755 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :JotaCode is the programming language used to program objects in ifMUD. < 1369852305 65592 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what brainfuck with a relative jump instruction would be like < 1369852317 192774 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty boring, I believe < 1369852332 511312 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And without [] < 1369852418 487435 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it'd still be turing-complete < 1369852452 503799 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1369852462 45922 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369852519 403133 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369852649 20635 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :relative jump with fixed offsets no, computed offsets yes hth < 1369852671 130754 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo some inability to compute good values without loops in the first place < 1369852693 589267 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which, yeah, you probably wouldn't be able to < 1369852769 303622 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd need variables, or introspection, or self-modifying code. < 1369852860 708426 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For any program where you always know where the pointer is, like (probably) the finite-tape unbounded-value TC proofs, you can probably just start the program with unary encodings of whatever numbers you need. < 1369852871 482895 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you might be able to do it with some sort of 'multiply one cell with another' instruction < 1369852900 2393 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1369852907 781517 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello < 1369852936 572479 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hellothertest. < 1369853001 227218 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that sort of goes in the direction of "putting the burden of Turing-completeness onto the input encoding" which... yeah < 1369853007 426045 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-23-113-148.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369853079 91865 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'd still be able to take in arbitrary input with . < 1369853106 922468 :atriq!~nathan@host-92-23-113-148.as13285.net NICK :Tanbe < 1369853113 316113 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-181-4.as13285.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1369853116 387836 :Tanbe!~nathan@host-92-23-113-148.as13285.net NICK :Taneb < 1369853156 63695 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The jump offset would of course be whatever is in the current cell < 1369853273 475969 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: but the problem is getting anything "productive" into that cell in the first place < 1369853365 269442 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can use . and try to insist the input is always encoded in such a way that the jumps work out... but i think that falls apart < 1369853610 847716 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe if you have only bit input it will be easier? < 1369853658 232299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was thinking you might be able to do a boolfuck with a "skip next command" operation -- that's what the relative jump reduces to -- if you can just figure out a way to toggle 0/1. < 1369853678 886140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not that I know if boolfuck with skip is good enough for anything.) < 1369853757 630265 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about if you also add a conditional trampoline < 1369853770 102421 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369853770 511142 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it would have to depend on a different cell < 1369853802 512646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1369853843 886242 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are there any listed esolangs that use trampolines? < 1369853845 163689 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i dealt with a similar issue to this in Larabee -- which is maybe not the best example because the jumps are weirder -- but I came to the (not rigorous) conclusion that if you depend on input to "get the jumps right", it's not Turing-complete. (e.g. compute Ackermann of this then tell me if it's larger than that; your input encoding has to "know" how many loops Ackermann's going to take, to get the compare jump right) < 1369853856 837049 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1369853890 154569 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you could also do "skip next 10,000 commands" and just have a lot of padding when you don't need any... just observing < 1369853899 152856 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*need that many < 1369854020 122118 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 10.000 or 10_000 depending on your preferred thousands seperator of course < 1369854116 108855 :oerjan!5bba487a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.91.186.72.122 QUIT :Quit: Anyway, good night < 1369854328 590923 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: people use _? < 1369854352 516031 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: perl uses _ < 1369854389 102789 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think SI uses spaces as thousands seperator < 1369854392 666434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If the offset is relative to next instruction, and every odd cell is a 4 (for a fixed number of cells, you could set that up in advance), you can do J>J-->J<++>< to toggle the current cell from 0 to 2 or from 2 to 0, giving a kind of a boolfuck and "skip next 2". (Presumably extendable from 2 to any constant. Might be enough so that you can then programmatically do the setting-up as necessary, ... < 1369854398 668202 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... who knows.) < 1369854435 569042 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If current cell was 0, J>J-->J<++>< reduces to ><++><, and if it was 2 it reduces to --><.) < 1369854478 516065 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: By trampoline I mean a funge style trampoline < 1369854742 75069 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: that feels very snuspy. < 1369854824 785157 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au JOIN :#esoteric < 1369854946 254850 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a ghost! < 1369854946 808898 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello itidus21 < 1369854949 21027 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :itidus21: hi! < 1369854956 680526 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1369854984 837473 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: snusp? < 1369855022 784149 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-113-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :My fortress has a vampire... < 1369855034 634935 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm < 1369855043 209883 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lazily generating an infinite program < 1369855064 724969 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that *might* work; the thing with Larabee is that there's a single global value that always affects a jump. here you'd have a set of "jump cells" and if you pre-set them all with sensible values from the input... yeah, maybe. < 1369855070 936598 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369855151 513895 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: copy- or quine-based languages like SMITH, Muriel, Underload...? < 1369855162 117469 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: isn't that the one with a 2D brainfuck and /s and \s to flow everything around? < 1369855162 378982 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something different < 1369855179 5781 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i must away < 1369855189 532068 :itidus21!~itidus21@CPE-120-148-51-163.gdfw1.vic.bigpond.net.au PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1369855198 10094 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1369855204 315252 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369855224 747060 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :good visit < 1369855245 734628 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally stepped in just to say "hi" < 1369855254 79375 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least we know he stil exists. in which form? that is unknown. but he exists. < 1369855271 308309 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, and "bye" < 1369855279 964968 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369855593 96610 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ghost of #esoteric past < 1369855710 482678 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-113-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ITIDUS IS ALIVE < 1369855714 316770 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-113-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :YAY < 1369855727 963649 :rntz!~rntz@eos.sp.cs.cmu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1369855766 305837 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369855786 89738 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369855878 510436 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: let us not immediately jump to presumptuous conclusions. itidus may has become a very powerful lich for all we know here. < 1369855878 620519 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1369855898 916841 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369855919 301296 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :boily < 1369855954 619313 :koko_!5218f3ec@gateway/web/freenode/ip.82.24.243.236 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1369855979 234164 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe itidus has uploaded to the internet < 1369855997 813361 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome calamari < 1369856001 315448 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08c10ala08mari: Welcome 05to t13he 14internat03io05nal hub for esoteric05 progra11mming language d07esign and deploy13ment! For mo05re informatio06n, ch09eck out10 our w07iki11: htt02p:03//esolangs.org/04wiki/Main_Page. (For08 the other kind05 of esote07r09i13ca03, 11try #esoter02ic o08n03 ir06c.dal.net.) < 1369856022 336065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari vs metasepia < 1369856023 870777 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, itidus. That's been a while. I remember him. < 1369856035 659100 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: hi < 1369856073 993336 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Chris, thanks for letting me know about this < 1369856095 456403 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE rntz rntz rntz < 1369856098 595161 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :RnTz: RnTz: RnTz: WeLcOmE To tHe iNtErNaTiOnAl hUb fOr eSoTeRiC PrOgRaMmInG LaNgUaGe dEsIgN AnD DePlOyMeNt! FoR MoRe iNfOrMaTiOn, ChEcK OuT OuR WiKi: HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe. (fOr tHe oThEr kInD Of eSoTeRiCa, TrY #eSoTeRiC On iRc.dAl.nEt.) < 1369856122 208629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just realised how incredibly 90s our stupid welcomes make the bot look < 1369856127 762096 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"just" < 1369856139 462675 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a 90s for bots < 1369856140 664214 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :irc is 90s < 1369856155 526513 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so its fine :) < 1369856192 879257 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck calamari < 1369856193 193125 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari definition: squid used as food. < 1369856209 422672 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck boily < 1369856209 637573 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1369856212 412772 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<=K < 1369856214 544408 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :paging the sysop for chat is late-80s early-90s < 1369856250 786291 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha good ol bbs days < 1369856255 89339 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fidonet < 1369856257 767393 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Paging the sysop for chat is still supported in Synchronet < 1369856261 976942 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm really bad at graph wars. I think I might write my own version so I can be better < 1369856288 595102 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of a variant were you can lay out defense functions < 1369856296 736928 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? calamari < 1369856297 592245 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369856298 12836 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1369856302 255017 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hauz things < 1369856310 971935 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: itidus came back for a minute < 1369856311 435234 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, some IRC servers might support the SUMMON command, to page someone working on the same computer as the IRC server. < 1369856315 852074 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg < 1369856319 561161 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(My own IRC server does.) < 1369856326 371396 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :and when the other guy fires off his function, it composes with the defense function starting from the point of intersection < 1369856371 133241 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1369856417 174466 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unsurprisingly perhaps, HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/WiKi/mAiN_PaGe 404's < 1369856456 484900 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: people keep bugging me to make the /WIKI/ link in the uppercase version work. i figure i should make it a fully functional version of the wiki with all the text uppercased < 1369856476 760411 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ELLIOTT: THAT WOULD BE GREAT, DO IT < 1369856480 179151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HtTp://eSoLaNgS.OrG/wiki/Main_Page is fine though, natch < 1369856487 145011 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yes do that elliott < 1369856492 300528 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the full intercal experience < 1369856495 599393 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :T ELLIOTT YES DO THAT (WAS RE: COCKS) < 1369856505 952258 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: No, make it read-only, except that you can push "edit" and so on which will redirect to the proper one. < 1369856513 411278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://gist.github.com/kmcallister/1ca57f7a260c72d36d96 PROGRAM-ID. GOBS-PROGRAM. < 1369856536 886674 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the problem is that there are two ways to do it, and one way is way easier but lame < 1369856542 478481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the best thing I can do is just procrastinate on it < 1369856561 181134 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: The way easier one is a stylesheet? < 1369856585 626166 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the * is a comment, right? fortran did the same thing and i hated it < 1369856598 302578 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369856600 579188 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: right. < 1369856604 831119 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that way it won't even copy in uppercase. < 1369856610 753930 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i think) < 1369856613 271050 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Well, I suppose that would work and can be fully functional. < 1369856616 452280 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can do that with sylesheets, huh < 1369856626 95842 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah you can even do title case < 1369856627 560789 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah < 1369856643 295329 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also in 'modern' cobol you don't nee the line numbers and you can mix case and whatever else < 1369856643 964641 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Canonically I think it's C in the comment indicator position, though. < 1369856647 756152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i wanted to be old skool < 1369856650 687383 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rotate every paragraph 47 degrees < 1369856655 401643 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also this is the first and only cobol program i've written < 1369856672 187054 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i know, you just reminded me of this book of fortran programs i have < 1369856680 235526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern fortran is weird < 1369856681 59906 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fortran 90 is also free-form < 1369856681 796820 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :none of which are even conformant to any standard and agh < 1369856688 640441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :every ancient language turns into C with words instead of symbols < 1369856697 773081 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern fortran seems ok, shitty fortran 77 is not < 1369856697 844635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lool who needs standards < 1369856699 941945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except APL which turns into APL with ASCII instead of APL's character set < 1369856702 26792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO < IBM < 1369856717 463429 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should i write my next gob's program in < 1369856719 444065 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/TbbH?fortran <- Befunge-93 in FORTRAN. < 1369856730 739604 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Verilog. < 1369856740 575388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The computed goto is the best part of it.) < 1369856751 792160 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i swear to god, the book was like "this should be reasonably easy to port" along with like a paragraph of explanation of this weird idiomatic shit explaining why there were numbers placed randomly all over the program (job commands for their system. apparently) and just, cocks < 1369856756 197477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :considering: befunge, piet, lazy-k, fortran, algol-68, sed < 1369856763 750645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: heh < 1369856764 856298 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: APL < 1369856766 59082 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: nice! < 1369856778 118853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Eventually do all of them. < 1369856793 612207 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: The first version was all in lowercase, but it didn't really look like a FORTRAN program at all. < 1369856800 878159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1369856813 573219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not really every one turns into C, although there are many similaries. BLISS has some interesting features too; the macros and structures in BLISS are more powerful than those in C. < 1369856849 75168 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the history of this gob's program < 1369856856 261521 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? heh < 1369856858 239981 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369856858 347491 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1369856859 702301 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I also happen to think the dereferencing syntax in BLISS, which is unlike nearly any other programming language, is more logical than C and I prefer too) < 1369856867 393349 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JbnjusltDHk < 1369856870 876281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's essentially a truth machine < 1369856914 162955 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Idiot < 1369856918 960912 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369856940 707673 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Why didn't you consider Verilog or APL? < 1369856949 286120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am considering < 1369856985 918687 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :APL's vectorization ought to make for very eficient Penuses < 1369857070 27821 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369857080 457492 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It says "penus" is Latin words for provisions < 1369857089 780408 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: what says? < 1369857098 170355 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wiktionary < 1369857129 796181 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck penus < 1369857138 324711 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369857139 556556 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1369857144 335887 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369857148 267866 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :penupodes < 1369857152 737256 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369857162 315436 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369857190 958097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :duck penises are terrifying < 1369857217 886030 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've heard bad things about them < 1369857267 490876 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369857276 770662 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck penus < 1369857277 53065 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- No relevant information < 1369857280 26243 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369857282 780098 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369857282 780271 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42299.pool.mediaWays.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1369857283 733769 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, much better! < 1369857331 646155 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1369857365 770848 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, all, getting ready for my "interview" with cpressey in a few minutes... < 1369857379 331699 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey < 1369857391 9745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1369857398 383715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry to say I won't be around for it in realtime < 1369857428 962190 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jsvine! < 1369857462 551148 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369857465 604323 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Whenever you're ready, I'm ready... to see if I regret not going with my initial impulse (which was, tbh, "Mainstream media? Sorry, I don't grant interviews with non-entities.") < 1369857527 722478 :simmarine_!~simmarine@68-112-158-238.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1369857531 825969 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome simmarine_ < 1369857534 730860 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​05simmarin07e_: Welcome to the i08nter14national08 hub 04for es04oteric progr04amm09ing language de04sign a02nd deploymen05t! For more inf13ormation, check 02out our wiki09: http12://esolangs.org/wik03i/Main09_Page. (For the o13t13her kind o09f eso10teri08ca03, t10ry05 #eso11te05ri11c o06n 09irc.d03al.net.) < 1369857537 853611 :simmarine_!~simmarine@68-112-158-238.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1369857565 611582 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Do you enjoy long walks on the beach? < 1369857569 5834 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db42299.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369857597 898991 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: hey, there < 1369857599 607862 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Oh, you're good. Well -- I used to, but I'm not currently near a beach. I do enjoy long walks, though. < 1369857621 127009 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Where do you live now? < 1369857680 894111 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, jsvine, and whoever else < 1369857689 39872 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: I'm somewhere in Cornwall, UK. Nearer to the moor than the coast, though. So, I enjoy long walks on the moor. < 1369857709 937813 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: hey, hey! < 1369857734 12323 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Is Cornwall anywhere near Hexham? < 1369857734 330279 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: aurgh. I wrote cornwall, ON in my file. < 1369857805 251748 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: It's nearER than Chicago, Seattle, Vancouver, or Winnipeg. But I don't think I'd want to walk there from here. < 1369857828 522297 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-113-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, Cornwall is about as far away from Hexham as it is possible to get without leaving England < 1369857829 631820 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: In any case, how'd you first get into esolangs? < 1369857864 194646 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: ah, gotcha, thanks. I suppose I could've just Googled that, but I was hoping for a more punny answer. < 1369857923 335821 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-113-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, that's kind of like saying, "Is Maine anywhere near Los Angeles?" < 1369857972 529770 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.8 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369857984 370834 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.8 PART :#esoteric < 1369858038 300287 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Back in the early 90's, a friend of mine (sysop of another BBS in Winnipeg) exposed me to Forth, and I realized that writing your own programming language was not impossible. And then, through a BBS file-sharing network (Aminet, it's still around), I discovered Wouter van Oortmersen's FALSE and Urban Mueller's brainfuck languages, and I realized that it could also be weird (and I've always liked weird.) And then... < 1369858091 271595 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369858092 485499 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: ...another sysop friend made a fateful typo in chat (he typed "befunge" instead of "before") and I decided I had to design a language with that name. I did, and put it on my BBS. < 1369858122 380112 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Did the name influence the design of the language at all? < 1369858174 863460 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-113-148.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, I want to inform you that this interview is being filmed < 1369858178 215195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369858187 79491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :omg i can't believe i missed the start of the interview < 1369858228 758336 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Well -- there's an ancient aphorism about how "I have the perfect name for a programming language, now I only need to design it" (I don't have the exact quote handy.) But, in truth, I went through several designs before I thought of the one that became Befunge. So the relationship between the name and the language is maybe an illusion, or maybe it's just hard to describe. < 1369858248 265421 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369858282 922985 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I actually found some notes on Befunge predecessors a while back, maybe I'll publish them sometime) < 1369858294 360315 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Hm, interesting. How did the earlier designs differ from the final Befunge? < 1369858317 507998 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :("The most important thing in the programming language is the name. A language will not succeed without a good name. I have recently invented a very good name and now I am looking for a suitable language." -- Donald Knuth) < 1369858322 852424 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ty < 1369858354 993330 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369858364 861532 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: thanks, that's a great quotation < 1369858385 555128 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :internet is weird. i get better reception here in the woods than i did in the house in town. < 1369858390 623723 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway please continue < 1369858418 47331 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369858425 170875 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Well, they weren't as workable. One was sort of an "object-oriented assembly" (this was when OO was still pretty new.) At least, they paled in comparison to having this inspiration (while I was on a walk, not a long one, but a walk) where I kind of saw a BASIC program, except instead of GOTO's, it had arrows connecting bits of the program together. (Probably inspired a bit by flowcharts and this one multimedia program called "AmigaVision".) < 1369858567 146995 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That, plus what I knew about how to write a Forth-like RPN interpreter, turned fairly quickly into Befunge. < 1369858592 325870 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Ah, interesting. I apologize if this information is already easily available, but do you have a copy of the first working Befunge program? < 1369858640 445216 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you're exploring befunge's history, maybe a copy of Hunt the Wumpus would be interesting? < 1369858727 337170 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm not familiar with HtW. Could you explain? < 1369858728 714137 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION bets he drew the first one on paper before the language was even implemented < 1369858742 835719 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: I don't know which was the first one exactly, but in https://github.com/catseye/Befunge-93/tree/master/eg the ones that say 'xx/yy/93' (where xx and yy are guesses) are the earliest. < 1369858825 485879 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(wrt boily, https://github.com/catseye/Befunge-93/blob/master/eg/wumpus.bf implements http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunt_the_Wumpus) < 1369858841 802203 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine, IIRC befunge was originally described as practical in the sense that you could plausibly write hunt the wumpus in it. < 1369858877 816734 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott & Phantom_Hoover: Oh, I get it! Wild. < 1369858909 353299 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that the most impressive (defined however you want) Befunge program? Or are there crazier ones? < 1369858922 134535 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, er, not practical; 'general-purpose'. < 1369858937 637194 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'd say fungot is a bit more impressive: < 1369858937 953586 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's just so stupid that ' stty erase h' has to be all " pow!" and he was suddenly i rose, put up her mouth, pulled down by the gold saucer... think his name was close ever, and yet, at least, that is expressions which have not been able, to assume responsibilities. he went on, " the conclusion is, then thou, the greatest soldier, de. she wanna be friends, his state vsurp'd, his realme a slaughter-house, his sub < 1369858964 361323 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably hunt the wumpus is the most elaborate befunge-93 program? < 1369858964 576787 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover:, so i'd be happy to help an fnord archive) of living. these he does to lady vanity; but we have no other comfort, not by the shortest fnord abate the nuisance, they pull this off i think i turning is stupid. stop doing nothing but wondering if any current scheme system has the best design; however, is that < 1369858975 673099 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot is befunge-98, quite a different language < 1369858975 780339 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: and is one of the other qubits should stay. you, in the world, tee, hee! it's not the only one thing we need to defeat you, lavos. it is r66-y? cool? who knows what would become of my mystics? i must win! < 1369859015 970682 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that all I've said so far pre-dates esolang proper. It wasn't until I got on the WWW, and make a Befunge web page, and that page was selected as "Geek Site of the Day" in 1996, that a significant number of people knew of the existence (for some value of significant) and that people (in this case Wim Rjinders) dared undertake programs this complex in it. < 1369859023 595175 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*made a < 1369859035 417351 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*existence of Befunge < 1369859052 221580 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the early Befunge days were all on BBS? < 1369859052 569579 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/people/they/ < 1369859080 453522 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And what programs did Wim dare to undertake? < 1369859083 279180 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Yes. So, all the people listed in the credits at the bottom of the Befunge-93 documentation lived in the same city as me (Winnipeg) at the time. < 1369859134 716760 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Wim did Hunt the Wumpus and, I think, a Befunge interpreter in Befunge (well, a subset of Befunge, in Befunge). Dmitry did some impressive ones too, like a Mandelbrot generator. < 1369859142 871749 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Dmitry Litvinov) < 1369859143 702014 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you going to post the file on the X-BIT BBS? < 1369859233 512665 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wimrijnders.nl/other/befunge.html <-- Wim's resurrected page, some out-of-date information there, but actually a kind of nice snapshot of a time when the mailing list was transitioning from "about Befunge" to "about Esolang". < 1369859255 747378 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't have an account, actually, I don't even know what that is... but feel free to post it there yourself :) < 1369859281 589982 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: OK < 1369859307 162249 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hint: It is x-bit.org port 23, in case you are wondering what it is) < 1369859333 177070 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wim's mention of Cat's Eye raises a question I've been wondering about: What *is* Cat's Eye Technologies? Just a collective name for your esolang projects? Or something else? < 1369859428 943123 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: In the beginning, it was my "DBA" name ("Doing Business As", aka "Trading As" in the UK) for my freelance work. After I moved, I never really bothered to register it again, so it became sort of an un-official non-organization, a brand name for distributing esolangs and other miscellany under (it's still just me, though.) < 1369859488 761861 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Gotcha. Which raises another question, re. your freelance. What sort of paid work do you do for a living? I assume designing esolangs isn't super lucrative? < 1369859534 835501 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone and their brother wants to buy a colorForth machine. < 1369859603 735874 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: You're absolutely right that it's kind of hard to make any money on esolangs. My day job (whether freelance or corporate at any given time in my life) is as a computer programmer, or software developer, or software engineer (depending on what decade it is.) < 1369859681 683011 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: What type of work is it this decade? < 1369859687 809271 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By "kind of hard" I don't mean to imply I've ever actually *tried* to make money on them, by the way.) < 1369859725 443933 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, has anyone tried? < 1369859725 515961 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't ward manage to make a profit off biota < 1369859726 587244 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Has anyone, to anyone here's knowledge, every made money from esolang design or use?) < 1369859749 796850 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: Ah, what's the story behind that? < 1369859752 433020 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cf. http://esolangs.org/wiki/Biota < 1369859810 816668 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i got the profit part from http://esolangs.org/wiki/Timeline_of_esoteric_programming_languages#1991 < 1369859840 450937 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Ward's page says "Biota was packaged and sold publicly online in 1991." Anyone know what he might mean by that? If not, I can try getting in touch with him.) < 1369859865 738765 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hey, smalltalk. neat. < 1369859866 274754 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: I could go on about "software engineering", but that's what it is, certainly if continually-running servers are involved (IMO "software engineer" is more like "ship's engineer" than "professional engineer": keeping it going is as important (maybe more important) than designing and documenting it.) < 1369859881 981117 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re biota, possibly at http://c2.com/ (also home of the first wiki) < 1369859896 172371 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Freelance stuff tends to be more on the software development side, though. < 1369859903 374489 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the esolangs page links to his article on it but he doesn't give much in the way of detail < 1369859927 3949 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: gotcha, thanks. So is the "software engineering" part not freelance? < 1369859957 860031 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: (takes sip of water) I thought this was going to be about esolangs...? < 1369859983 280343 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge was a lang that inspired a lot of ohers. brainfuck was another < 1369859999 284819 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :brainfuck especially (sigh) < 1369860005 41124 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, to be less abrasive, I think we may be straying from the topic. < 1369860036 397766 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, we are. But the money question interests me because of the inherent non-practical aspects of esolangs. < 1369860078 173307 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I suppose lots of hobbies are non-practical. Why do crosswords? Why build sculptures out of toothpicks? < 1369860140 561919 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, it boils down to, generally, if you want someone to babysit the software they write for you (what I'm calling "engineering"), you hire them full-time. < 1369860164 490477 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The potential audience for your creations, though, seem purposely limited. What draws you to creating things that likely only a handful of people will be able to appreciate? < 1369860167 712579 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, almost out of battery. guess i'll just have to read the logs. < 1369860194 901625 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I designedand used esolangs as a way to challenge my programming preconceptions and stretch my abilities < 1369860199 173174 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the past, I've compared esolang to ham radio. It's an amateur activity (not in the sense of "unprofessional", but in the sense that it exists outside the professional sphere.) < 1369860222 967538 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I suppose that could be some kind of way. < 1369860232 346657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have once seen esolang discussed in Linux Journal, I think. < 1369860268 886124 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having to think about a problem in a new way.. limitations that help with creativity < 1369860280 95849 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: esolanging has some very passionate enthusiasts, with people they can relate to. (or not. the Hexham singularity hasn't happened yet.) < 1369860298 447659 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the hexham singularity? < 1369860308 806678 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: when they'll meet in person. < 1369860313 714710 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What, would you (or anyone else here) say are the major programming preconceptions that esolangs challenge? < 1369860323 194382 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hams are actually forbidden from making money on what they do as a ham, as I understand it. Esolangers aren't forbidden, of course, but since it's all about source code, and about exploring interesting ways of programming, it's not really feasible. Open-source makes much more sense; in fact a lot of it is full-on public domain. < 1369860344 805666 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The syntax discussion you all had yesterday seemed to touch on one. < 1369860348 646221 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Nearly all of them. < 1369860360 919281 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Most revelatory to you? < 1369860371 891834 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax is the most obvious one < 1369860395 933737 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe time for another aphorism: "Any language which doesn't affect the way you think about programming isn't worth learning." (again, not an exact quote.) < 1369860399 735867 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Unfortunately I don't know, but INTERCAL and Prehistory of esoteric programming are some, I guess. < 1369860420 833579 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: structured programming is nearly always thrown out of the window. for me, the main point when exploring a language is: what few tools does it provides, and how can I assemble them. if the lang makes me reflect on very basic things, like underload and arithmetic, then it's a success. < 1369860455 530096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometimes structured programming is thrown out of the door instead. < 1369860482 945908 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"structured programming is nearly always thrown out of the window" <- I'm not sure I understand this, but it sounds interesting. Could you elaborate? < 1369860539 503072 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: oh, I missed your "The potential audience" question. I think it's because, in an amateur activity, I'm going to do what interests *me*; and in designing a new language I, personally, learn a lot from it. I don't usually know entirely how it will play out until it's implemented. If other people are also interested, well, that's a bonus. < 1369860542 926644 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: with modern mainstream languages, emphasis is put on structure, answering "how can we build large projects with multiple contributors and maintainers?". discipline is very important, and is manifested through commonplace patterns. < 1369860564 850799 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: esolangs go completely opposite to that: what can we abandon, and still have some working program at the end. < 1369860567 611491 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: That is mostly same to me, I think < 1369860579 347947 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, that is a very good description of it. < 1369860605 420279 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes, that's fascinating, and very clear < 1369860633 322250 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :INTERCAL mocks the patterns of the day (and still some that came after). < 1369860635 287137 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there's a quote from the comedian Bruce McCulloch which goes something like, "I think my work reaches the people it needs to reach." I doubt I'll be able to find the real version of that quote though. < 1369860670 767976 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like mainstream programming is trending toward "scalability," whether in the human or infrastructural sense, and esolangs say "Who cares?" < 1369860689 584574 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: that's it. < 1369860718 92942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wikipedia also mentions Dada Engine and rmutt in its esolangs article, although FurryScript is probably far more unusual. < 1369860722 786364 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily & co.: If INTERCAL mocks the patterns of the day, what do today's esolangs mock? (and which esolangs do the best mocking?) < 1369860750 802279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :reasonability < 1369860784 433052 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: hmm... I'd say glass is quite good. OOP to the very, very extreme. < 1369860786 116257 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(FYI, I have to head to a meeting in 7 minutes. But I'll be around a bit later today, and tomorrow, to continue chatting, as long as I haven't overstayed my welcome.) < 1369860807 698060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Duff (the same guy who Duff's device is named after) wrote an article about prehistory of esoteric programming, mentioning such as P'', TECO, APL, and L6. < 1369860809 791246 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: thanks, I'll take a look at glass. < 1369860817 890295 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: oh! just one more thing! < 1369860824 824446 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: Not at all, I think we've enjoyed having you here. I certainly have. < 1369860841 765303 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure that esolangs are al trying to mock. some are intended to be difficult, some are trying to be different or unusual, some are meant as a joke < 1369860842 191715 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'd definitely be interested to read that. Do you have a link? < 1369860848 413971 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: the Full Version of the The Question: what are your approximate geographic coördinates, and body weigh? < 1369860852 552014 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: As for what it mocks, I'd include "your assumption that you were such a hotshot rockstar ninja developer, cretin." < 1369860859 33596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Prehistory_of_esoteric_programming_languages < 1369860861 313345 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: heh < 1369860891 508489 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: thanks! < 1369860906 547048 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: makes sense, thanks < 1369860938 516069 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for some reason we call it "body weigh" here on #esoteric, and I still don't know why) < 1369860954 379497 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cpressey: stupid typo.) < 1369860976 606366 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :malbolge is one that sticks out to me as trying to be difficult < 1369860982 872033 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but we (not just you) ALWAYS seem to make it; i think we should keep it < 1369860996 413516 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: I'm in New York, NY and weigh more than an iPhone < 1369860999 42927 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369861002 429544 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :jsvine: thanks! < 1369861006 312561 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll leave you with this: < 1369861007 994748 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>v > v < 1369861008 66262 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :v<>^ v,,,"Tha"< < 1369861008 66439 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>^ " < 1369861008 66547 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :v,,,,,!HEX < 1369861008 66653 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : sHAM < 1369861008 213324 :nooodl__!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 NICK :nooodl < 1369861008 777836 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : kHEX < 1369861008 849590 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : nHAM < 1369861009 779096 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "HEX < 1369861009 850526 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric : >,,,"!",@ < 1369861013 337626 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Hope it works.) < 1369861016 941234 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION applauds < 1369861024 388863 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Or maybe the point is not to care whether it works?) < 1369861050 704310 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bye for now. < 1369861062 648523 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Having it work is good, if that was your goal. If not, feel free to change your goal midstream :) < 1369861082 471304 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cya jsvine! < 1369861100 131722 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye jsvine < 1369861184 366854 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Output: < 1369861184 513001 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks! < 1369861221 474994 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1369861290 13456 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1369861300 116147 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :whew < 1369861304 506383 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i *think* so long as i unplug my laptop i can watch the iplayer live < 1369861322 718481 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct capitalization really wears one out < 1369861335 631305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Have you (specifically) seen Dada Engine, rmutt, and FurryScript? < 1369861382 821603 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: a) no b) no c) i read the php source code for FurryScript but didn't try it (tbh in part because it's php) < 1369861478 429630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I may rewrite it in C another day, in order to improve the speed, but I didn't by now. Dada Engine and rmutt are programs for similar things; both were mentioned on the Wikipedia article about esoteric programming (although FurryScript was written entirely independently of these). < 1369861588 463280 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of those count as esolangs, FurryScript probably does too since it happens to be far more unusual in its functioning. < 1369861962 14951 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, you know what i just realized? i didn't swear *once*. someone, slap me on the wrist. < 1369861968 71182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1369862097 471685 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: were you on your second whiskey? < 1369862206 799129 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that one i can at least lie about if it's not true < 1369862209 13479 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: Note that it can also run remotely. (It seems that rmutt is supposed to do that too, but it doesn't.) < 1369862337 120352 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember now why i never visit the wikipedia page for esoteric programming languages < 1369862386 147288 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1369862416 269947 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it's terrible and (in some sense) it's MY fault < 1369862446 78346 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you help write it? < 1369862452 522534 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :why's it terrible, again < 1369862469 460917 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i'll just donate to wikipedia to assuage my guilt for not wanting to edit it instead < 1369862492 876368 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: maybe "terrible" is a strong word, but it's all... wikipediay. < 1369862497 177473 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedia-y. < 1369862512 607759 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedoid < 1369862516 694394 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, if you have money, you certainly can do if you like to do so, please!! If you don't want to edit it, that is OK, since someone else might do so. < 1369862523 365065 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369862530 802132 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wikipedean? < 1369862556 838827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: you missed all the fun < 1369862563 428544 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :we have logs, don't we? < 1369862575 1586 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think you will find you still missed it. < 1369862580 476987 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where was gregor < 1369862593 912184 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: i mean it's my fault for not editing it to be less bad < 1369862645 103664 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: no i ate all the logs om nom nom < 1369862681 181102 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but yeah, where IS Gregor these days? < 1369862686 298327 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen Gregor < 1369862688 73736 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm… sometimes I suspect that the job of a journalist is to learn enough about a subject to give a convincing-looking but useless summary that pulls on a few human interest points < 1369862691 135570 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-05-24 02:51:47: How does it compare to SONiVOX? < 1369862698 914519 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I haven't fallen of the face of the Earth, yeesh. < 1369862710 255488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: O, that's what it is? Well, maybe that is what it is. < 1369862715 599592 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh gee, maybe we should HAVE MENTIONED YOUR NICK AT SOME POINT IN THE PAST THREE DAYS < 1369862740 201692 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you agree/disagree with what is written here? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Astronomical_symbols#Zodiac_Symbols < 1369862752 934531 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :were your ears burning? < 1369862757 784303 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: you know it's hard to predict zzo38's actions < 1369862764 915103 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :My xchat notification was notificating. < 1369862787 436510 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: you just missed possibly the only exciting thing to ever happen in the history of #esoteric < 1369862790 736766 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats < 1369862790 808270 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gregor: I should write a copycat page to yours called "choose my pony socks" < 1369862812 515014 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Oh Well™ < 1369862823 744084 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: I was referring to Gregor's nick, just to be clear < 1369862827 663223 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can reach the logs, at least. < 1369862828 271479 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: Gregor's nick happens to be "Gregor" < 1369862832 410478 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :will we get t-shirts featuring the interview's abstract? < 1369862832 481986 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(since I now have 37 pair and I have trouble deciding) < 1369862840 97552 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah, I didn't notice for a while < 1369862855 412111 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: you should write a page for choosing Gregor's pony socks instead < 1369862895 902113 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: fwiw, he did seem to learn smth about the subject, or, well, read to the end of the interview. and he may be back, presumably for more informal research like he did yesterday. < 1369862896 444541 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does he have any < 1369862898 105243 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: is that Knuth quote an actual Knuth quote? < 1369862910 908092 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it could be, but I don't know it is < 1369862915 56611 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: yeah, I'm reading it < 1369862929 808618 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: if you don't tell him about the results of the votes, it doesn't matter who has or hasn't socks < 1369862974 667164 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: how does all this help me choose my socks, again? < 1369863035 675336 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: choosing your socks seems inconvenient since those might not be near Gregor at the time he needs to wear them < 1369863053 918488 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean I open my drawer, and see all the happy ponies and I can't choose. Just have to blindly pick one < 1369863055 163650 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, that was quite a short interview < 1369863055 527575 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe I'm just thinking too much about the practical issues < 1369863079 51747 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: Unless you want to wear two different socks, you should not blindly pick the second one too. < 1369863122 856248 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: google knows the answer < 1369863133 846882 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at first I did < 1369863137 957787 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it's rare for people to not wear two different socks, if they're wearing two socks at all < 1369863141 911802 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hard to put the same sock on both feet < 1369863156 301678 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean two different colors of socks < 1369863189 438363 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to sublty disappear. < 1369863190 809128 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1369863192 963415 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369863237 134299 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://catseye.tc/images/xyzzy/socks.jpg < 1369863285 455251 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that took me all of six minutes a few days ago < 1369863360 691173 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehe < 1369863445 343582 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i got a low-end drawing tablet and am slowly rediscovering how much i suck at visual art, not really having drawn anything except ILLGOL since high school) < 1369863466 434008 :simmarine_!~simmarine@68-112-158-238.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com NICK :simmarine < 1369863551 622375 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: i am disappointed that catseye.tc does not have a fancy custom 404 page < 1369863557 717827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :thought i should register this complaint with you < 1369863613 763349 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, looks like it's custom, but not fancy. ironically, i was really excited about making a fancy 404 handler that tried to help you find what you were looking for. once. < 1369863634 632090 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should at least put some text or a link on it i guess < 1369863691 266008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: so did you fail to shorten messages on the plane of fire "i hear things" < 1369863704 518780 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: by custom, I mean it seems to be some standard web host one because I've seen it on a ton of sites < 1369863714 498050 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: it's not so much that I've failed, just that I have not yet succeeded < 1369863749 706292 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: really? what url? i get the custom one, but maybe it's not configured entire proper < 1369863771 831064 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: oh, it was http://catseye.tc/images/xyzzy/. maybe it's different because it's not part of the normal site < 1369863771 965610 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ohhh you were trying to list the directory WERENTCHA < 1369863775 971417 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1369863788 861845 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, there's probably... a reason < 1369863794 949795 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(feel my enthusiasm) < 1369863840 183459 :simmarine!~simmarine@68-112-158-238.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com PART #esoteric :"Leaving" < 1369864141 750493 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a lot of trouble with my tablet. I actually went back to a mouse and had more success < 1369864155 508082 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: the pastebin equivalent on my server (where I put things to post to people) is /robots.txted out < 1369864170 264905 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it turns out that duckduckgo will list it as being potentially interesting anyway just based on incoming links < 1369864176 985443 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :even though it's not allowed to (and doesn't) visit the page itself < 1369864182 888279 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :if I were more persistent I'm sure the tablet would win out tho < 1369864182 994095 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's even recommending nonexistent pages there < 1369864233 434403 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Once I have found files that were prohibited by /robots.txt sort of by accident; I was trying to make a backup of a few files using wget (and succeeded), but I noticed it also downloaded robots.txt, and then I found secret files using that. < 1369864284 536391 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: mine's definitely quirky sometimes, but usable... it does pressure (but not tilt or anything) but its button is semi-useless. the brand is "Trust" but i forget the model # offhand < 1369864312 292951 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :might be better to use pencil/ink/etc on actual real paper and scan it in, but this is more novel to me < 1369864337 440544 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: the internet is truly a weird and wonderful whirlpool of ________ [finish this alliteration] < 1369864352 949778 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wastefulness? < 1369864371 122983 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1369864439 288744 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, i think i've noticed that with a robots.txt at some point too -- a bit ironic. "don't look at these!" "oh?? what are those?? < 1369864441 598911 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1369864465 151593 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: my robots.txt is pretty much "this isn't useful for a search engine to show in its results" < 1369864495 833869 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should host a humans.txt as an easter egg of sorts < 1369864605 114233 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :listing which pages should only be read by automated bots? < 1369864615 937590 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/dev/null has one of those < 1369864627 237985 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, the humans.txt file is used to just mention miscellaneous information < 1369864629 219352 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a set of pages that collectively contain an infinite number of fake email addresses < 1369864638 922150 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To tell you about the server < 1369864641 600761 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea is to waste spambots' time < 1369864724 914451 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-23-113-148.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1369864742 877618 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: by /dev/null do you mean the path /dev/null on your http server?? < 1369864784 591848 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm a bit confused, i want to call what you're talking about a "honeypot", but i don't think that's exactly the right term, but i am too lazy to ask the internet < 1369864817 724029 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: mine is a wacom pen, so its a good tablet, but the user is not skillful ;) < 1369864839 45379 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*wacom bamboo pen < 1369864862 351528 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: I mean a website < 1369864867 921699 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best known for hosting a tournament < 1369864874 554358 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, a NetHack tournament < 1369864877 37050 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spamtrap < 1369864904 6772 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1369864910 739593 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :calamari: it does take a bit of practice "drawing via CCTV" < 1369864966 313356 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but undo makes up for it, oh the undo, oh the undo, i am so spoiled, DRAWING IS LIKE CODING hack debug hack debug hack debug < 1369864969 3972 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah unless you want to drop some major cash < 1369865009 201317 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :cintiq ..drool < 1369865055 85626 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jeez, that is kinda droolworthy < 1369865196 719219 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :however when I see amazing art drawn with a mouse, I realize the equipment is not the most important thing, by far < 1369865326 62860 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :true. given how much i use undo and otherwise treat it as a trial-and-error activity, i might be just as well off with a mouse. but sometimes the pen seems faster (for some reason i like playing mahjohngg with it) < 1369865339 698537 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1369865407 956076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How can you play mahjong with it? < 1369865412 390961 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1369865491 481950 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it acts pretty much like a mouse, to the system. certain programs (like GIMP) can get the extra information it provides (pressure). < 1369865557 835060 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i actually got it partly because i wanted to experiment with using pressure as an input parameter for some application that's *not* drawing (like, maybe music or something), but haven't got around to searching for the libs etc i'd need to read that < 1369865613 214002 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the protocol is apparently called WALTOP, fwiw < 1369865683 407676 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh, would probably have to look at gimp or inkscape sources to figure out how to use it though i think < 1369865698 661322 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: esolang based on tablets < 1369865702 521618 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i provide the inspiration" < 1369865770 72760 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/index.php?title=Main_Page < 1369865834 359419 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1369865838 686474 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah thanks < 1369865851 542474 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369865855 940601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: all i ask for in return is royalties < 1369865876 180407 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION needs to write an esolang for cash < 1369866014 81963 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :step 1. write esolang, step 2. ???, step 3. PROFIT < 1369866033 504413 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bbl < 1369866033 973904 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only we could BUSK with these things < 1369866037 947302 :calamari!~calamari@173-126-26-176.pools.spcsdns.net QUIT :Quit: Bye < 1369866059 183525 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't you need a permit for that now < 1369866087 997052 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends on the place, but most places, yeah < 1369866153 38652 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"yeah, i'd like to get a permit to livecode academic mathematical functions in brainfuck in front of people at Paddington station please" < 1369866201 272737 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh, well, you know, the usual, calculate pi, the Ackermann function, Gob's program, and the like" < 1369866235 281430 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"no, it's mainly just plus and minus signs and left and right arrows. oh, and sometimes full stop and comma" < 1369866246 973506 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"huh. well i never" < 1369866280 383248 :SgeoN1!~Sgeo@166.196.156.246 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369866313 189719 :SgeoN1!~Sgeo@166.196.156.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reading the REBOL 3 guide. Reminds me a bit of Tcl and Factor. < 1369866337 542644 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :REBOL, now there's an outlier < 1369866393 68109 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not entirely sure what i mean by that < 1369866501 807464 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kind of what i mean by that is -- it's existed since the Amiga days and it's now been open-source for... almost six months! < 1369866611 326746 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.143.211 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369866698 489302 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which Amiga though? < 1369866700 125832 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The 500? < 1369866766 679045 :SgeoN1!~Sgeo@166.196.156.246 PRIVMSG #esoteric :REBOL 3 is still in alpha. As far as I'm aware, its the first version that has documentation suitable for understanding why people think it's interesting < 1369866864 541754 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i remember hearing about it when i still owned an Amiga 500 < 1369867204 856261 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: you should write a Deadfish interpreter in REBOL! < 1369867462 973454 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you know any mathematical theorems about mahjong (solitaire)? there is definitely something algebraical about it (plus an element of chance because you can't see all the tiles. i assume it was a slightly different game before computers let you undo moves. actually i kind of wonder, did people get someone else to build the initial structure for them, so they wouldn't have a chance of remembering which tiles were under which) < 1369867521 173649 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :rewrite system invisible maze get stuck dead end < 1369867543 578287 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorry, i'm probably still a little manic from the interview < 1369867554 514246 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ok. we're here for you in this difficult time < 1369867622 677899 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I DEMAND HUGS < 1369867631 211396 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: About mahjong solitaire I don't know any. < 1369867636 69754 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.haskell.org/hugs/ hth < 1369867641 747921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug cpressey < 1369867641 897143 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1369867643 424704 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1369867649 711521 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell, #1 supplier of hugs < 1369867657 279005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hugs, #2 supplier of haskell < 1369867677 291465 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I do know how the probabilities work in four-players mahjong. < 1369867734 703353 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.27 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369867762 296877 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.rebol.com/what-rebol.html i love it when they have a manifesto < 1369867763 953369 :elieser224!~elieser22@190.121.239.27 PART :#esoteric < 1369867813 636476 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok what is with elieser224 joining and then /parting minutes later < 1369867817 645514 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's been going on for years < 1369867818 650399 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1369867820 427915 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :days < 1369867903 110543 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :% apt-cache search rebol < 1369867904 848922 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :% < 1369867920 361628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ion\.$ < 1369867920 598494 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ndm says: I was browsing through the Yhc standard libraries, as one does on the weekend, and was drawn to Yhc's sort function. < 1369867940 966243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote ration\.$ < 1369867941 177821 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eduard_Munteanu says: [In response to "GHC can go jump out a window" and "GHC has already jumped out a window and flied and left you behind"] Yes, GHC even implements optimizations such as defenestrat < 1369867941 396251 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion. < 1369867990 131757 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh. lambdabot has some arbitrary length limit instead of following the IRC command length limit (in which the length of the PRIVMSG target name matters)? < 1369868000 756845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1369868006 140274 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you surprised? < 1369868012 270369 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote diaper < 1369868012 608751 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No quotes match. Maybe you made a typo? < 1369868014 175948 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :This totally blew my mind, dude. < 1369868038 947352 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote tomato < 1369868039 381530 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :JonathanShapiro says: We are now preparing a more sensible surface syntax, whereupon we will receive rotten egg and tomato complaints from the LISP community. < 1369868064 896916 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :So there’s a specific channel name length at which lambdabot starts losing parts of long messages it sends? < 1369868074 581456 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote lambdabot < 1369868075 248107 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot says: Couldn't match kind `?? -> ? -> *' against `(* -> *) -> * -> *' < 1369868077 539244 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't there a limit on channel name length? < 1369868085 665738 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps lambdabot's cutoff is conservative. < 1369868099 61373 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, different networks have different limits. < 1369868134 188140 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: did you really memorize the numbers of those syntax quotes? < 1369868146 892644 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey: no < 1369868153 632331 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked them up just before quoting them in channel < 1369868163 812075 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Quote numbers change all the time. < 1369868187 233577 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is Mr. Svine in the quote database yet? < 1369868328 957531 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: that reassures me that you are, in fact, human. probably. < 1369868355 903082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523 is one of the more human people in this channel. < 1369868395 653310 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is true, for a certain meaning of "human". < 1369868546 28129 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :SgeoN1: seriously if you do a deadfish in REBOL i'll do one in Icon < 1369868554 779123 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway goodnight < 1369868558 612383 :cpressey!~cpressey@31.96.145.210 QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1369868565 997684 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, that is a good reason not to memorize them too much. However, I think better would be to not change the numbers. < 1369868624 113263 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I know! elliott started writing a new quote database that doesn't change numbers. < 1369868635 810217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe he said he started writing it to stop me from writing it. < 1369868661 361293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :One way to don't change the numbers, is to omit the delete command, and instead make the "supress" command. < 1369868713 817961 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is indeed a way to don't change the numbers. < 1369868826 727005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such a thing as that can be done easily enough in SQL, if you want to use SQL to make it. < 1369868844 869959 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if I don't want to use SQL? < 1369868917 950922 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.239.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1369868935 843426 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then do it a different way, although depending on what you do use, it might or might not be done easily or better. < 1369868937 714314 :elieser2241!~elieser22@190.121.239.30 PART :#esoteric < 1369868963 310440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ZzoWiki < 1369868975 14404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of want to see ZzoWiki. < 1369869002 255764 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"No image support (this is so others won't place pornography in your article)" really < 1369869068 115122 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about ASCII art pornography? < 1369869084 266520 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Best pornography) < 1369869089 585517 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is Gregor -v < 1369869160 516495 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ais523: Well, I suppose you can do that if you want to, but you still shouldn't place it on other people's article. Of course you can also link to whatever file you want. < 1369869172 289405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZzoWiki is currently broken; you can't see it now. < 1369869244 857253 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +v :Gregor > 1369869244 869050 NAMES :#esoteric < 1369869930 47442 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-17-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1369869956 326349 :SgeoN2!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369869971 399736 :sebbu2!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-17-215.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1369869971 471235 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1369869973 185839 :SgeoN2!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1369869977 356101 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1369870140 372440 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1369870206 258237 :SgeoN1!~Sgeo@166.196.156.246 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1369870304 873136 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :....Amiga was a general-purpose PC? < 1369870348 407119 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-62-46.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369870361 440714 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-62-46.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1369870373 292006 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-62-46.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369870399 938662 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-95.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1369870404 900102 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-62-46.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1369870687 733008 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: as opposed to... what < 1369870702 702745 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-62-46.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :made up to scare children < 1369870703 87885 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A gaming console < 1369870727 804225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i < 1369870745 943519 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-62-46.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I < 1369870784 896002 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i,I < 1369870789 842416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of owl is that < 1369870804 556223 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a lowercase owl raising an eyebrow.......................................... < 1369870949 123142 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, http://www.rebol.com/r3/docs/concepts/modules-loading.html#section-7 < 1369870965 454515 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including SHA-1 of the module in the header when you want to download them from the Internet... < 1369870983 192583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :does kmc know rebol < 1369871032 612645 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea < 1369871054 618968 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that section reminded me of the concerns kmc has with Planet Racket < 1369871063 372877 :NihilistDandy!~NihilistD@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1369871079 971403 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes, the Amiga was a general-purpose and high end computer. < 1369871096 945061 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though there was, like, the Amiga CD32. < 1369871103 915731 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(consolized Amiga) < 1369871195 56639 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :#rebol is practically empty < 1369871200 259466 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to ask how it compares to Tcl < 1369871235 731832 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :please don't join #lang1 to ask "lang1 vs. lang2" questions. it is trolling < 1369871254 240812 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"encloak is a low strength encryption method that can be useful for hiding passwords and other such values. It is not a replacement for AES or Blowfish, but works for noncritical data. < 1369871254 387600 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do not use it for top secret information!" < 1369871268 54472 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish I knew what the algorithm IS, not just that it's low strength < 1369871309 834007 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-62-46.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: how does haskell compare to python < 1369871317 88310 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :> compare "haskell" "python" < 1369871318 294333 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : LT < 1369871321 516267 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's not as good < 1369871323 432428 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-62-46.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :got it < 1369871333 498578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey #esoteric, how do eso langs compare to noneso langs < 1369871372 673162 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-62-46.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: http://www.rebol.org/ml-display-thread.r?m=rmlHYHQ proprietary and probably dumb < 1369871682 912863 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"To test R3, you will need: < 1369871683 21376 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1369871687 242818 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1369871688 60734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At least 1 MB of disk space and 10 MB of main memory. (We just had to say that.) < 1369871688 274743 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1369871931 259887 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1369871949 734848 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Favorably. Non-eso langs are t3h dumbs < 1369871957 351162 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Who needs money anyways.