2013-05-01: 00:02:39 cool stuff, "companies like Microsoft run at 12 full-time." 00:05:17 Told my friend that the 50%-75% thing seemed like BS 00:05:55 it's like 10% of your brain but somehow even dumber 00:06:09 what 50%-75% thing 00:06:41 That PCs, unlike Macs, only utilize 50%-75% of the hardware 00:06:45 dont iou read everithing sgeo sais bike 00:07:23 sgeo did... that's... don't take that shit to heart 00:08:02 My friend was asking about PC vs Mac on Facebook when someone replied with that... I asked for citations, then myself said something dumb (I forgot about the existence of dual-booting) 00:08:18 do iou realli think anione who sais anithing like that is going to have citations 00:08:38 sgeo come on it's barely literate 00:08:51 Sgeo is inflicting this on us now 00:08:54 why 00:08:55 * Bike advocates linguistic imperialism 00:09:12 i used to confuse "imperial" and "imperative" 00:09:29 -!- Lymia has joined. 00:09:29 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 00:09:29 -!- Lymia has joined. 00:09:30 "imperial programming language", "imperial tense" 00:09:34 Sgeo mai be trolling bi proxi 00:09:56 ugh no kmc don't start that again 00:10:17 like seriously, last time you explained it it was clearly not the same as the thing you were telling people not to do 00:10:17 the unwitting troll accomplice 00:10:25 sgeo just.... in general, take things not so serious 00:10:26 That reminds me, a proxy was trolling me today. 00:10:38 things are kind of fucking ridiculous, in general 00:10:42 treat them as such 00:11:02 dumb bullshit on facebook in particular 00:12:24 It was passing through the Host: header, which it wasn't doing for anyone else 00:12:32 I think my copy of the proxy got corrupted, or was old 00:12:45 (It was a localally run proxy) 00:12:59 *locally 00:13:01 -!- augur has joined. 00:13:37 -!- DH____ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:13:43 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 00:13:46 Phantom__Hoover: what was the discrepancy 00:14:34 kmc, well the example you gave was, like, someone coming into #haskell and saying "hey guys a friend of mine says haskell is shit and not useful in the real world is this right" 00:15:17 basically the point is that you seem to apply it in situations where nobody is actually trolling 00:15:43 someone posts something idiotic, one of us finds it, then posts it in here to point and laugh (in the general case, not anything involving Sgeo) 00:15:58 this rivalri is the shittest 00:16:01 f.i.i. 00:16:08 no it's just 00:16:25 f 00:16:26 i 00:16:26 i 00:16:30 kmc: ok i'm going to tri rebooting 00:16:37 wish mi luque 00:16:42 good luk 00:16:55 * elliott killall -9 chromium 00:16:58 so i can restore mi tabs afterwards 00:17:11 uh oh how do i run sistemctl 00:17:21 ok /usr/bin/s*stemctl 00:17:24 elliott: It saves all the tabs if you just quit it the normal way. 00:17:35 shachaf: no iou have to open each window separateli 00:17:41 Moreover you don't have to click the little Restore button. 00:17:41 if iou have too mani windows the list drops some 00:17:50 ? 00:17:51 $'s\x79stemctl' 00:17:54 i don't have it set to restore tabs on open 00:18:00 -!- Bike_ has joined. 00:18:06 because that would be bad when i close hundreds of them that i won't care about tomorrow 00:18:10 this wai gives me more freedom 00:18:40 Phantom__Hoover: shrug, i said 'mai', and aniwai deciding who is realli trolling or not is impossible 00:18:47 but i can stop saing it 00:18:53 -!- Bike has quit (Disconnected by services). 00:18:56 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 00:19:03 i can probabli find more accurate wais to express the same idea 00:19:55 i mean i agree that pointing and laughing at irrelevant idiots can get annoying but the word 'trolling' is abused enough already 00:19:55 it didn't work 00:20:04 i think it is probabli a mechanical problem 00:20:05 like 00:20:19 u can be "ahrd to press" 00:20:23 like i'll tipe a normal word with u in it 00:20:25 and it won't have the u in now 00:20:30 sometimes 00:20:36 which seems consistent with shift-u not working 00:20:49 idk what i can do tho 00:20:52 other than replacing it 00:21:09 is it the same kind of keyboard that had the numbers-not-working problem? 00:21:37 no 00:21:39 that was a laptop keiboard 00:21:49 wellt his is scissor-switch too, but 00:22:03 kmc: do iou think ripping off the keicap on the i kei would be enlightening 00:22:09 it seems to be quite thoroughli stuck on 00:22:12 maibe 00:22:16 ah, so it's not buckling spring, that explains it 00:22:22 buckling spring is shite 00:22:27 just bind a compose combination to y you moron 00:22:29 like i'd rather have a mechanical keiboard 00:22:31 i do mi fare share of pointing and laughing at idiots 00:22:33 but buckling spring is awful 00:22:40 Phantom__Hoover: its not the onli broken kei 00:22:54 bind the compose key to one that works! 00:30:01 -!- FreeFull has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:30:13 Is elliott's y key broken? 00:30:24 Or is there some sort of in-joke here? 00:30:40 kmc: how do iou even remove scissor switch keis 00:32:25 Sgeo: it's broken. 00:33:45 the in-joke is that we are all doing the same 00:33:51 see topic 00:34:15 thmc 00:34:29 hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh2hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 00:34:32 677777777777777 00:34:40 gggggggggggggggggghhg88 00:34:47 hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 00:34:52 its not working 00:35:12 how did you get a 2 in there 00:35:22 -!- shachaf has set topic: avoiding the penultimate letter of the English alphabet in solidity with elliott | a hippothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | Join the revolt against the regime and support unikes! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 00:35:22 matrix artifact? 00:35:37 no fucking klue 00:35:42 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 00:35:43 maibe i accidentalli pressed 2? 00:35:55 hu7g7 j5 576g6gttttttttuut 00:36:05 wow this thing is fuckin tightli attached on 00:36:15 Wait, I thought you already cleaned it. 00:36:23 fuck. i give up. 00:36:27 i'm shit at this 00:36:49 screwdriver elliott 00:37:09 tools are what elevate man above the lesser ape (and the woman (no that just doesn't work)) 00:37:20 i fear i am going to snap this 00:37:35 -!- Sgeo has set topic: avoiding the penultimate letter of the English alphabet in soliditi with elliott | a hippothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | Join the revolt against the regime and support unikes! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 00:37:49 Whose idea was it to put soliditi instead of soliditi 00:38:04 bhhh67h77hhhhhh67677777hhhhhhhhhhh676666666hhhh7huhhhhhhhhh7777777 00:38:06 wat 00:38:07 kmc help 00:39:12 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:40:31 y r u avoiding y 00:40:50 I DID IT 00:41:00 kmc: ok report 00:41:09 kmc: pressing the actual rubber on the i kei does nothing 00:41:28 :( 00:42:12 Whoops. 00:42:43 -!- FreeFull has joined. 00:43:12 elliott, screwdriver 00:43:15 imo im going to cri 00:43:15 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:43:36 is the screwdriver a metaphor? 00:43:46 The screwdriver is very real. It is inside you. 00:46:11 elliott: is there like a circuit board under it? iou can tri cleaning it 00:46:16 maibe with alcohol 00:46:23 while off 00:46:33 -!- Fiora has left ("~"). 00:46:37 iou often can't remove the rubber dome without destroing it tho 00:46:40 uh 00:49:48 was the i too much 00:50:08 kmc: i could probabli tri taking off the rubber ieah 00:51:17 oh it's may day 00:51:23 debout, les damnés de la terre 00:51:35 um oh 00:51:37 it was stuck on? 00:51:38 with stickiness 00:51:50 and now iou've ripped it off? 00:51:55 sorta!! 00:52:14 lets see if i cant hit the circuit board with mi finger (i actualli used to trigger a kei like this) 00:52:17 (when i broke a keicap once) 00:52:52 dies terribilis 00:53:05 goddammit 00:53:07 i need fingernails 00:54:10 why does google translate thing everything is afrikaans now 00:55:45 oops now the kei is weird even if i reattach it 00:57:25 @tell mnoqy http://hans-von-hozel.tumblr.com/ happy christmas 00:57:25 Consider it noted. 00:59:16 they want you to learn dutch 01:01:14 Bike: what 01:01:17 whike 01:01:54 monqy's an avid fanfictionista. 01:02:31 ugh, I realli want a i kei. 01:02:39 maibe I should get mi other laptop 01:02:48 imo elliottus utor a diversus linguam potest 01:03:03 i need an mpersand please 01:03:52 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 01:05:10 please!! 01:05:14 -!- Tritonio has joined. 01:05:30 &? 01:05:36 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:05:46 t 01:05:47 i 01:05:48 > chr 0x26 01:05:49 `relcome Tritonio 01:05:50 '&' 01:05:52 ​Tritonio: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 01:06:18 elliott: here's a y for iou and iou can copipaste it 01:06:25 Tritonio's been here since forever 01:06:35 Everybody deserves to feel welcome. 01:06:47 > succ."xXx" 01:06:49 Couldn't match expected type `a0 -> c0' 01:06:49 with actual type `[GHC... 01:07:08 thank you Bike. :-) 01:07:10 > succ<$>"xXx" 01:07:12 "yYy" 01:07:24 @type (.) 01:07:27 (b -> c) -> (a -> b) -> a -> c 01:07:31 what 01:07:48 lol 01:08:21 `run welcome elliott | tr i y | rainwords 01:08:24 ​ellyott: Welcome to the ynternatyonal hub for esoteryc programmyng language desygn and deployment! For more ynformatyon, check out our wyky: http://esolangs.org/wyky/Mayn_Page. (For the other kynd of esoteryca, try #esoteryc on yrc.dal.net.) 01:08:37 that is insensitive 01:08:58 thatsynsensytyve.gif 01:09:12 oh what is happening here 01:10:26 hey roconnor is going to BayHac 01:10:36 hey I just spent four hours playing yalta chess 01:13:35 were you Roosevelt, Churchill, or Stalin 01:13:55 hmm I was black 01:14:11 I guess stalin is red and churchill white? 01:14:16 so I'd be roosevelt 01:14:32 why white 01:14:40 uk and usa have the same colors, is the problem 01:15:01 I won the first one and in the second one I lost all my pieces and ultimately was made pat (mostly because nobody bothered to checkmate me since I was no longer dangerous) 01:15:18 well I don't know the current us president is black 01:15:22 Tories are blue, except their logo is mostly green now? 01:15:24 but the current uk queen isn't black 01:15:28 also i don't know if that was established in 1945 01:15:52 but every uk president has been black 01:15:55 in the US the discussion of "red states" and "blue states" is ubiquitous, but this color code was only established in 2000 01:16:16 ha I watched this episode of family guy, in english with french subtitles 01:16:30 and there was a song about republicans and democrats 01:17:01 and he was all like "red is good and blue is bad" and they translated red with bleu and blue with rouge 01:17:11 heh 01:17:12 mi condolences re: iour watching famili gui 01:17:24 uh 01:17:26 yeah it is odd that our far-right party ended up with red 01:17:26 american dad* 01:17:35 equivalent condolences 01:17:39 fits the general pattern of america ignoring standards 01:17:48 that was just one episode elliott 01:17:51 kmc: How do I send a lone ^6 through mosh without any key following? 01:17:52 see also: our labor day is in September 01:17:59 uh it's either ^6 ^6 or ^6 6 01:18:05 btw 01:18:09 i am so glad mi password has no i in it 01:18:15 hahaha 01:18:20 elliott: u dodged a bullet there 01:18:22 that's because american labor is "fucking weird" from an international perspective 01:18:26 iou could just copi paste though 01:18:27 What is your opinion/ideas of a compiler to Z-machine? 01:18:43 Koen_: how can i copi paste into a login vt... 01:18:43 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:18:58 I don't know iou're the expert 01:19:14 elliott: oh no you've revealed critical information about your password 01:19:19 the search space is so much smaller now 01:19:31 also can't you use a virtual keyboard or something? 01:19:39 not on a vt! 01:19:56 a vt is a virtual terminal 01:20:00 oh 01:20:01 why would it not use a virtual keyboard 01:20:01 qed 01:20:20 yeah they put it in sept. to discourage the international association of the holiday 01:20:27 so I'm gonna google vt and be back in two sec and pretend I know what it is ok 01:20:34 http://www.drben.net/ChinaReport/Xinjiang_Uyghur_AR/Tashkurgan_Tajik/Tashkurgan/Tashkurgan-Takskurgan-Main.html i found the ugliest website ever again. 01:21:16 google gives me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage_in_Vermont though 01:21:39 kmc, elliott, oerjan: Even roconnor is coming to BayHac. You gotta come. 01:21:53 so i have a 16 megabit connection now 01:21:57 vs mi previous like 6 01:22:06 does anione have a veri large file for me to download 01:22:14 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:22:18 yes just a second 01:22:19 Bike: wow good 01:22:28 re the site 01:22:33 how's 10 billion digits of pi doing? 01:22:45 https://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5923737/Geocities_-_The_Torrent 01:23:33 Bike: ok how about... smaller than that 01:23:48 only 641 GB pshaw 01:23:51 but no seeders :( 01:24:14 also why are all the ads on tpb sex ads 01:24:54 ummmmm 01:24:57 there's a possibility the ads are based on what kind of sites you often visit 01:25:07 no i always view porn in incognito windows 01:25:46 here download https://torcache.net/torrent/6E2ECE072E9EBCF26769F154355BFB932B6FEFCA.torrent for me so i don't have to 01:25:54 maybe it's that people would be offended by sex ads on 'proper' sites but if you're stealing things then you lose the moral high ground 01:26:05 Bike: what is that 01:26:10 also they have no obligation to be 'work safe' 01:26:14 http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-NYG9ayO80X8/T5or4XNUojI/AAAAAAAACLA/8o_Mq3taAUo/s320/Understanding+the+Secrets+of+Takahata.jpg 01:26:19 the ads on encyclopedia dramatica are also sex ads 01:26:22 thanks that helps a lot 01:26:27 alt. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KZE9UbRiTeg/R8tndqJn2hI/AAAAAAAABMg/xVZqJ-ZKoKs/s1600-h/icy_river.jpg 01:28:37 I think we have a law in france according to which any media which is not explicitly labeled as 18+ cannot broadcast any inappropriate content before 10:30pm 01:30:14 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 01:30:25 also lol i can't open Bike's tpb link 01:30:45 neither can I 01:31:26 plot twist: neither can I 01:31:36 cert revoked oh no 01:32:24 its not even the cert 01:32:26 it just spins forever 01:32:42 oh nice 01:36:02 -!- pikhq has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:36:17 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:38:37 wh is it 2:30 alreadi 01:38:42 w*whi 01:40:54 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:43:22 hm it is annoing how i cannot realli seem to seed torrents 01:45:06 This is a lot of people with 0 upvotes and 0 downvotes in this thread 01:45:13 (Yes, I know it's a new Reddit feature) 01:45:50 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 01:46:35 let's see how fast i can download 750 megs 01:47:02 oh man mi download rate is actualli measured in multiple mebioctets per second 01:47:08 it's like heaven 01:48:09 heaven comes wyth a pryce 01:48:20 bye 01:48:25 well currentli the price seems to be an upload rate of 0 01:49:37 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: The struct held hys beloved ynteger yn hys strong, protectyng arms, hys eies lyke sapphyre orbs staryng ynto her own. "W-wyll iou... Wyll iou unyon me?"). 01:50:37 onion { }; 01:51:51 @tell Koen_ imo, fuck iou 01:51:51 Consider it noted. 01:52:58 -!- Koen_ has joined. 01:53:09 what 01:53:09 Koen_: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 01:53:11 what did I do 01:54:00 iour quit message 01:54:09 also whi are iou stalking!! 01:54:25 well it's just the automated quit message from my client 01:54:42 koen.......... 01:54:45 i know what iou did 01:55:09 I have no idea what you're talking about! 01:55:14 I'm going to bed now bye :) 01:55:41 http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgyct5cQLC1qhpvhso1_500.jpg possibly koen 01:55:47 -!- Koen_ has quit (Client Quit). 02:10:52 -!- mnoqy has joined. 02:28:37 Sgeo: do you remember when you introduced me to Homestuck? 02:28:54 tswett, as in what timeframe, or do I remember having done so? 02:28:58 The former. 02:29:16 I think you finished after Cascade came out 02:29:17 Hm, wasn't there some Reasonably Big Hiatus that ended 11/11/11, or something like that? Maybe I caught up during that hiatus. 02:29:39 Mm, was it Cascade... 02:29:45 10/25/11 was Cascade 02:29:52 Maybe I actually finished right before it came out or something. 02:30:05 There was a 2 month or so hiatus until then, then 10/31 (approx), then 11/11/11 Homestuck resumed normal activity 02:30:11 * tswett nods. 02:30:34 Pretty sure around Cascade, anyway 02:30:37 So I've been a Homestuck for, like, one and a half years. 02:30:50 Weird. 02:33:04 tswett: did you get caught up with `olist during the recent hiatus 02:37:30 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 02:39:22 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 03:02:47 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:02:53 -!- DH____ has joined. 03:12:34 tswett, I concur with shachaf, you should read Order of the Stick 03:12:57 Oh yeah. I haven't read that in quite a while. 03:13:01 I was, in fact, caught up at one point. 03:13:07 I dunno. Maybe I should read Lord of the Rings first... 03:15:33 -!- DH____ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 03:16:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSWqx8goqSY maybe i should watch more defcon talks 03:34:44 kmc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Lopez you like the commerce clause, right? 03:35:32 it's so easy 03:35:46 "handguns in schools? commerce clause" 03:36:20 well i mean guns are one thing, but they're not truly dangerous like marijuana 03:37:44 Bike: You should watch more Jason Scott. :P 03:38:20 yeah, that's probably a better conclusion. 03:38:37 guys guys guys 03:38:37 Jason Scott is all-round awesome. 03:40:31 hi coppro 03:40:37 why doesn't /r/esotericgonewild exist 03:40:43 c_c 03:40:55 what 03:40:57 coppro: Cause I've yet to take dick photos. 03:40:57 what is that smiley supposed to express 03:41:14 -!- elliott has left. 03:41:17 -!- mnoqy has left. 03:41:19 i can't put it in few words (otherwise i would have) 03:41:35 Though I could add photos of two dicks to it pretty easily. 03:42:09 know a couple of guys named richard? 03:42:14 c_____c 03:42:26 No. I was referring to actual phallusses. 03:42:30 ah 03:42:48 the internet has a very large supply of photos of dicks 03:42:59 both the richards and the phalluses 03:43:02 Yeah, but r/esotericgonewild doesn't. 03:43:03 eh it's only a countable set 03:43:13 I would probably outsource my contribution 03:43:18 I could also get a pair of boobs on there. 03:44:00 kmc: Yeah, but I'm pretty sure there don't exist any uncountable sets of photos of dicsk 03:44:02 *dicks 03:52:16 The xxxiom of choice 03:54:12 Also, only two people. Y'know, gotta make it kinky to start with. 03:54:50 you have pictures of 2 boobs beloning to two different people 03:54:53 * kmc is confused 03:55:13 Possibly they traded at some point 03:56:13 they've surely become collectors' items by now 03:56:44 kmc: Nah, 2 dicks, 2 boobs, mere 2 people. 03:57:11 The boobs are a matched set. 03:57:15 ok 03:57:23 pikhq: kinky 03:58:57 -!- zzo38 has joined. 04:12:28 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:14:09 Bike: Yeah, gotta love Jason Scott. 04:15:55 -!- augur has joined. 04:16:15 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:17:16 -!- augur has joined. 04:21:40 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:22:04 til 04:22:11 "expunction" is a word 04:27:22 -!- augur has joined. 04:32:25 -!- elliott has joined. 04:37:10 -!- ogrom has joined. 04:40:10 `quote charcoal 04:40:16 29) is there a problem with it being carbonized :D yes: carbonized coffee bean is known more commonly as "charcoal" 04:41:33 ttants: carbonized, carbonated 04:41:46 o_o 04:45:02 shachaf: why charcol 04:45:11 I'M SORRY 04:45:15 why does everyone ask me that 04:45:20 no charcoal 04:46:20 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 04:52:46 -!- shachaf has set topic: avoiding the penultimate letter of the English alphabet in solydyty with elliott | a hippopothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | Join the revolt against the regime and support unikes! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 04:55:41 -!- ogrom has joined. 05:06:59 http://www.kosherswitch.com/live/tech/how 05:11:12 ttants: calculus of constructions, call of cthulhu 05:11:29 ttants?? 05:12:03 kmc: imo bui me a keiboard 05:12:03 things that are not the same 05:12:14 oh 05:12:29 Also: I thought kosher light switches were a myth. Oh how wrong I was. 05:13:13 say what you will about religion but it does inspire a weird kind of creativity 05:13:17 Our technology revolves around several layers of Halachic uncertainty, randomness, and delays 05:13:23 judaism is kind of inspiring to me 05:13:33 like thei are so frank about this kind of stuff? 05:13:45 yeah 05:13:53 thei just acknowledge that ieah, ok, we can't use lightswitches, here we've used jewish science to fix the problem 05:14:01 i like that they like 05:14:07 i mean it's veri pragmatic 05:14:10 it's not even a hack, they're really thinking of the religion here 05:14:17 it's genuinely inconvenient to use on shabbat 05:15:37 Is KosherSwitch® considered to be the KosherLamp™ (Kosher Lamp) killer? 05:15:58 Halachically, 05:17:15 elliott: Well you see, the *Jewish* YHWH is more-or-less just this crazy bastard that they appease. 05:17:33 And if he'll be appeased with a kosher light switch, then fuck it. 05:17:49 Honestly if I was God I'd let this go out of sheer amusement 05:18:23 This is a good point, and consistent with the character described in the Old Testament. 05:18:33 At least six substantive reasons have been suggested, and a minority believe that turning on an electrical fan is prohibited only because of common Jewish practice and tradition (minhag) but not for any substantive technical reason. 05:18:59 For example, most authorities permit Jews to open a refrigerator door even though it may cause the motor to turn on immediately or later (not certain to occur); however, they prohibit opening the door if a light inside will automatically turn on (certain and of benefit). 05:19:09 this is the best shit i've seen since my kabbalah kick 05:19:11 http://www.kosherimage.com/kosherlampMAX.html 05:19:37 like... beyond the sheer ridiculousness of it all... the deciding factor is, nothing can be helpful? 05:19:51 i recommend http://judaism.stackexchange.com/ btw 05:19:59 wat 05:20:02 for general "wow judaism is realli unique" feelings 05:20:05 oh no 05:20:08 They also permit walking past a house with a motion sensor which switches on a light if the street is already well-lit (not of benefit), but not if it is dark[citation needed]. 05:20:12 it's p great 05:20:17 wowwwwwwwwwww 05:20:25 being a modern orthodox jew must fucking suck 05:20:52 http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/28211/pleasure-of-woman-at-the-end-of-relations-source-in-chazal 05:20:58 i love the way hebrew words just get mixed into english 05:21:01 What's up with this pasuk in mishpatim? 05:21:03 they could be total gibberish for all i know 05:21:11 it's like watching people discuss star trek and put klingon words in 05:21:46 The gemoro in kiddushin has the question if during the act of bioh with A a woman accepted kiddushim (although highly unlikely) from B. 05:22:33 "The use of electricity from power plants operated by Jews in violation of Shabbat is also controversial because it is normally forbidden to benefit from the action of another Jew in violation of Shabbat. " 05:22:42 so... a modern state can't function under these rules 05:22:53 maybe in israel they make arabs run the power plants 05:22:58 like the sabbath buses 05:23:15 black sabbath buses 05:23:57 nothing happens (guaranteed); 05:24:38 -!- kmc has set topic: Our technology revolves around several layers of Halachic uncertainty, randomness, and delays | a hippopothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 05:25:36 Turning on an appliance may indirectly cause the power plant to consume more fuel. For various reasons most authorities permit this indirect causation if the power-plant is operated by non-Jews.[24] (If the power plant is operated by Jews, the issue is more complicated. See the section below regarding Israeli power plants.) 05:25:45 Bike: They can have a non-Jew running around just fine. 05:25:54 OK, ok, this last one, this last one you need to see. 05:26:02 Rabbi Shlomo Auerbach rejects all the fundamental reasons for prohibiting electricity as cited above, except for turning on an incandescent light which is considered lighting a fire. Nonetheless, he prohibits using any electrical appliances except in cases of great need because Shabbat-observant Jews have traditionally acted on the assumption that using electricity on Shabbat is prohibited. Thus, according to this opinion, the ... 05:26:08 ... prohibition of electricity on Shabbat is a minhag (common practice or tradition) without a substantive reason in the laws of Shabbat.[26] 05:26:10 Basically, the idea is that if the non-Jew does something that Jews *happen* to benefit from, then hey, no harm done. 05:27:10 common law judaism 05:27:45 It is questionable if it is permissible to use an answering machine or voicemail to receive messages left during Shabbat, since one is benefiting from a violation of Shabbat, particularly if the caller is a Jew. 05:28:26 man, i was reading about a war over glaciers before this, but this, this is something else 05:29:31 -!- rapido has joined. 05:29:35 -!- rapido has quit (Client Quit). 05:31:01 God is a place you will wait for the rest of your life 05:31:41 ome neighborhoods with thousands of residents, especially Haredi communities, operate the electricity in their homes from a special Shabbat generator, without performing any forbidden action on Shabbat. Some people even refuse to use a generator because the end-product of electricity is indistinguishable from what is provided to ordinary consumers, so using electricity in any manner constitutes the appearance of violating halakhah. 05:33:09 itt sanity is a social construct 05:33:51 i'm done. 05:35:01 kmc: [sijmbol denoting recognition of reference] 05:35:06 oh man sijmbol 05:35:11 it's so beautiful 05:35:38 good name for a pl 05:35:54 elliott: what, the Neutral Milk Hotel lyric? 05:36:00 i just happenede to be listening to that song 05:36:11 no the other reference obvs 05:36:18 which 05:36:21 exactli 05:36:24 exactlij 05:36:26 :O 05:36:28 :ij 05:37:28 Does any one know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours? 05:39:32 zzo38 ^ 05:45:05 AVI: ODML: Building ODML index (2 superindexchunks). 05:45:53 kmc: have you seen how complicated Data.Map is :'( 05:48:22 mnoqy monoqyqyqo monoqy 05:48:26 INLINE or SPECIALISE 05:50:50 -!- dessos has joined. 05:51:28 -!- mnoqy has joined. 05:51:40 impressive. 05:52:44 shachaf: good question 05:53:23 mnoqy: hang on...... have you been logreading 05:53:26 or what 05:54:12 i have "informants" 05:54:20 oh no 05:54:24 are they elliott 05:54:46 did elliott make fun of me by pasting what i said in /query to you 05:54:59 no 05:55:46 does he call you mnoqi now 05:56:05 imo you should /nick mnoqi in solidity of elliott's keyboard 05:56:22 im sure elliott avoids tab completion just to keep up the gimmick 06:04:51 The question "Does any one know where the love of God goes when the waves turn the minutes to hours?" is probably not very meaningful. 06:05:33 BORING 06:05:37 zzzzzo38 06:05:39 It meant something to somebody. 06:06:17 Yes, maybe to someone else it does. 06:06:43 Anyone know where I can do a whois lookup for a Bhutanese domain? 06:06:51 The usual services aren't cutting it. 06:07:57 http://www.nic.bt/ hth 06:08:01 Check Domain Avaliability 06:08:10 Or do you want more than Avaliability? 06:08:32 Oh, it has proper whois. 06:08:45 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.bt to the rescue 06:09:12 I suppose that would have been sensible to look up. Thank you. 06:09:49 bhutanistan 06:10:32 so uh... how can i look up who owns a domain exactly 06:10:39 By typing it in? 06:11:36 well, nic.bt is inaccurate. 06:11:43 SORRY 06:11:47 I'm trying to figure out The Deal with http://constitution.bt/ 06:11:59 nic.bt has not been registered yet and so available. This domain could be purchased but with no guarantee. Availability of domain name doesn't necessarily mean this can be purchased. 06:12:06 lol. 06:12:30 I checked one domain and found a whois. 06:12:34 I assumed it'd all work. 06:12:50 what a shame. 07:17:13 typing monoids is so much fun 07:17:14 monoids 07:17:17 monononononoids 07:17:43 hi 07:17:55 mnoqy: hi mononononononoids hi 07:18:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 07:22:56 Wow. Wikipedia works much better with JavaScript turned off. 07:23:42 i did a double take when i saw zzo38 said that 07:24:25 Therefore I have blocked scripts from Wikipedia in the content-policy management. 07:25:33 Why don't you just use the gopher interface? 07:25:57 Me too, phantom. me too 07:26:38 Because I want to edit it and that stuff too. 07:38:23 i also that thing you said 07:38:44 why is everyone doing double takes 07:38:59 *record scratch* 07:39:13 Maybe it is because you don't want quintuple takes? 07:39:29 * shachaf hears a collective sigh of #esoteric relief. 07:39:30 oh thank god everything's back to normal 07:51:12 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 07:55:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 08:09:19 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: dead). 08:14:29 -!- FreeFull has quit. 08:21:09 ∞ 08:22:21 kmc: do iou know anithing about bidirectional tipe checking 08:22:37 is one direction type checking and the other direction type inference 08:27:27 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:42:07 Although we have no way to make general unboxed tuples work, we can at least make IO-types work using the following ultra-kludgey observation: RealWorld# doesn't really exist and so has zero size, in compiled code. In turn this means that a type of the form (# t, RealWorld# #) has the same representation as plain t does. So the bytecode generator, whilst rejecting code with general unboxed tuple returns, recognises and accepts this special ... 08:42:13 ... case. Which means that IO-typed stuff works in the interpreter. Just. 08:43:24 isn't ghci great. 08:46:59 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 08:52:40 Viking's KML import today: http://sprunge.us/KHZc 08:52:45 Er, export, I mean. 09:17:04 Well, I get the feeling my insomnia's gotten worse. 09:17:11 Eff you, drugs! 09:56:54 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Page closed). 10:03:12 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 10:09:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:11:19 -!- ais523 has quit. 10:13:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 10:37:00 Do you think Wikipedia is better with or without the JavaScripts? 10:47:37 yes 10:48:10 -!- Koen_ has joined. 10:54:28 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 11:13:15 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:14:46 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 11:30:55 `pbflist # sort of? 11:31:02 shachaf Sgeo quintopia 11:31:03 `pbflistdeluxe # sort of? 11:31:06 pbflistdeluxe: 11:31:17 It's too bad there are no deluxe subscribers. 11:31:28 They'd be getting deluxe service. 11:44:41 shachaf: expand 'pbf'? 11:44:54 Perry Bible Fellowship 11:45:54 Thanks 11:47:39 What’s pbf deluxe? 11:49:47 It's the deluxe pbf list for people who want deluxe updates. 11:52:12 -!- mnoqy has joined. 11:52:39 What are deluxe updates? 11:57:40 I don't remember. 11:57:46 But they cost money. 11:57:48 They're really good. 11:57:53 Look at the logs. 11:58:05 mnoqy: wlecmoe bcak 12:01:01 hi 12:02:17 mnoqy: got any elliott wisdom for us 12:03:34 mm no 12:05:09 gasp 12:05:15 the well has beep depleted 12:05:26 esdom 12:05:40 im unsure as to whether i ever had elliott wisdom 12:05:55 is there such a thing as elliott wisdom???? 12:07:19 good question 12:07:41 is there such a thing as elliott? 12:08:27 -!- ion has set topic: Our technology revolves around several layers of Halachic uncertainty, randomness, and matrices of solidity | a hippopothetical anarcho-capitalist world of bikes | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 12:17:05 -!- ogrom has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:17:52 -!- ogrom has joined. 12:25:51 -!- carado has joined. 12:48:27 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 12:59:01 -!- boily has joined. 13:00:27 -!- Tritonio has joined. 13:00:43 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:01:11 oerjan! Just the entity I was looking for. 13:01:24 Why are you gateway/web/freenode/? 13:02:23 oerjan: Last time I linked to a page about the etymology of Nikolay or something, and you noticed it was vandalism and reverted it. <-- WHY DON'T YOU EDIT WIKIPEDIA YOU ANTISOCIAL JERK (just kidding.) 13:02:36 "j/k lol" 13:02:51 oerjan: Which time? 13:03:10 BOTH (just kidding.) 13:03:14 With the Nikoblahtymology thing it was because I wasn't even paying attention to that. 13:03:21 O KAY 13:03:28 With the other thing it was because I refuse to edit Wikipedia. 13:03:38 *GASP* 13:03:50 It's a slippery slope, neh? You edit one article and soon you're editing thousands. 13:04:11 not me. too lazy to expand. 13:04:41 oerjan: do iou have a i kei i could borrow? 13:04:42 well except when i notice something like everyone misspelling Isaac Newton as Issac Newton and do a full search. 13:05:02 -!- Tritonio has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:05:20 elliott: you don't hapen to have a key for me in return? 13:05:43 (it only randomly notices me pressing p) 13:05:56 well well what have we here https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Issac_Newton&action=history 13:06:03 oerjan: iou can have f12. pretti sure i'll never need f12. 13:06:17 what 13:06:22 f12 is the best key on the keyboard 13:06:28 4~4~4~4~ 13:06:37 hmm, had to double-check whether they actually went up to f12 on a normal keyboard 13:06:39 i don't do F keys much. 13:06:41 -!- Tritonio has joined. 13:06:53 oerjan: beggers, choosers 13:07:01 @wn begger 13:07:01 Why didn't they just design keyboards with ten of them, and make F10 F12? 13:07:04 No match for "begger". 13:07:28 * oerjan gives Jafet a spinal tap 13:07:56 shachaf: it's like bigger, but begger. 13:08:23 i should also point out that the ' key is also bad. 13:09:28 (this is not my laptop btw. which also answers shachaf's first question. well as much as i want to answer it.) 13:09:52 my ' key and my ↵ key have a telepathic link 13:10:06 wtf is ↵ 13:10:14 ↲? 13:10:18 * oerjan sees a box 13:10:19 Enter 13:10:21 Return 13:10:29 aha 13:10:34 shachaf: oh mine do too, then. 13:10:40 Sometimes I press ' and get a newline. 13:11:06 Despite having pressed ' and not �. 13:11:31 oerjan: Are you coming to BayHac? 13:12:06 btw i think i mentioned before that my issac newton search and replace hit upon an indian college whose name is apparently _officially_ spelled with "issac". 13:12:38 and no, i have no plans of coming to the usa in the foreseeable future. 13:13:05 SUBSTRUCTURE 13:13:05 We have an unrivaled Substructure 13:13:09 INTELLECTUAL 13:13:09 Our aspiration is to make students Intellectual 13:13:20 NATURAL SURROUNDING 13:13:20 We have wonderful Natural surrounding with air and light 13:13:28 CAREER 13:13:29 We give assurance to our students to get a virtuous Career 13:13:32 ETHNICITIES 13:13:32 We not only education but also Ethnicities to the students 13:13:46 i was just going to paste one of them but then they kept coming help 13:13:52 TRUST 13:13:52 The name you can Trust 13:13:52 i like substructure in my logics 13:14:11 the joke is that The name you can Trust is Sir Issac Newton 13:14:19 OKAY 13:14:51 shachaf: where is that from? 13:15:20 http://www.sinc.in/ 13:15:28 let's look at their computer science department 13:16:16 ok i won't paste it in here because then i'd paste the whole page 13:18:21 @wn halachic 13:18:21 No match for "halachic". 13:18:27 wat 13:18:55 ? 13:18:58 I thinkg lambdabot is being sympathetic to the prolonged absence of metasepia. 13:19:45 shachaf: you look like the kind of guy who'd know what "halachic" (in the topic) means. 13:20:05 not really 13:20:11 @wn halacha 13:20:12 *** "halacha" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 13:20:12 Halacha 13:20:13 n 1: Talmudic literature that deals with law and with the 13:20:13 interpretation of the laws on the Hebrew Scriptures [syn: 13:20:13 {Halakah}, {Halaka}, {Halacha}] 13:20:18 aha 13:20:26 👄👊&↵ 13:20:55 22:20 http://judaism.stackexchange.com/questions/28211/pleasure-of-woman-at-the-end-of-relations-source-in-chazal 13:21:01 Halachic, the latest jewish fashion 13:21:52 ...and here we see a rabbi in a halachic shirt with matching striped trousers... 13:24:35 oerjan: do iou happen to know anithing about bidirectional tipe checking, bi the wai 13:25:02 elliott: ni 13:25:09 oerjan: aw 13:25:19 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 13:25:32 shachaf: doesn't load for me 13:25:41 which might be just as well. 13:26:41 oerjan: Don't complain to me. Complaimc. 13:27:22 kmc: doesn't load for me 13:31:41 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 13:35:24 oerjan: have you considered that only uncool people have no plans of coming to the usa 13:35:32 i read it in a book 13:35:50 doesn't apply to me, i've already been there. hth. 13:36:43 yes but you currently have no plans 13:36:48 qed 13:37:35 call me again when i don't have to worry about getting baggage confiscated hth 13:37:48 don't take baggage hth 13:38:28 We don't have any plans of coming to the USA. (Then again, I can't really argue against "uncool" either.) 13:39:01 We do have a vague plan of going to Scotland not this but next summer, maybe that counts? 13:40:07 fizzie is cool, says my book 13:40:14 perhaps you have plans that you aren't aware of 13:41:02 Plans within plans within plans. 13:41:18 Maybe it's Scotland, USA. 13:43:01 fizzie: that's not how the USA works................... 13:43:22 there are at least 15 Scotlands in the USA 13:43:38 fizzie: hexham is pretti close to scotland, consider visiting? 13:43:56 imo elliott should visit me 13:44:09 i would visit elliott but i'm vegetarian 13:45:28 `addquote i would visit elliott but i'm vegetarian 13:45:32 1038) i would visit elliott but i'm vegetarian 13:45:40 i'm such a sucker for quotes 13:46:18 1038 quotes is a lot.....how much % is bad 13:46:46 > 1037 / 1038 * 100 -- hth 13:46:48 99.90366088631984 13:47:01 `quote 13:47:01 `quote 13:47:02 which is the good quote!! which 13:47:02 `quote 13:47:02 `quote 13:47:02 `quote 13:47:03 428) It's ok guys. I am doing what I can to keep my psyche and ego surviving. All the while the threat of ww3 looms, the mortality of family and friends(loved ones?) and sooner or llater my own mortality. 13:47:04 408) There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] You've just gave me a different result [...] It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur. 13:47:04 964) a comathmatician is a device for turning cotheorems into ffee 13:47:04 63) I'm 100% of what sort of magic was involved in it 13:47:05 905) `pastequotes django http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.5404 I'm still in all of them :( someone else get quoted saying django please 13:47:25 imo all but maibe two or arguabli three of those are good 13:47:45 -!- FreeFull has joined. 13:50:13 428 is the best of those (it's excellent) and i don't feel particularly strongly about the others 13:52:09 i think 905 is important 13:52:13 since djangoquotes™ 13:52:32 964 is boring, 63 is i think subject of one of those quote wars of iore 13:54:34 905 is p. bad 13:55:10 `pastequotes django 13:55:17 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.8648 13:56:49 `quote 13:56:49 `quote 13:56:49 `quote 13:56:50 `quote 13:56:50 `quote 13:56:51 280) elliott, it was an artful robbery! wait, murder 13:56:52 840) [after a quote deletion session] ais523: i just checked, and the whole purpose of this is not necessary.... 13:56:52 889) fungot: Are you the previous version of zzo38? fizzie: i run some interactive tex programs 13:56:52 772) `log [o]klopol wasn't usually nude 13:56:52 299) Grr. Why does it exist? Why can't I kill it? 13:57:05 what 13:57:21 fungot is wise 13:57:21 shachaf: i'm at 24 or so at least 13:57:49 299 is bad 14:00:03 fungot: you've deleted 24 quotes?! 14:00:03 FireFly: it's rather like the srfi process. ultimately the only way i would use structures in place of? since it has builtin handling of network i/ o) 14:00:11 fungot be quiet 14:00:11 shachaf: a stack overflow error in scheme48. this source file: http://magic.xmog.com/ js/ application date/ plt fnord/ teachpack/ htdp/ extended/ world.html though 14:00:15 ^style 14:00:15 Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 14:00:19 ^style ct 14:00:19 Selected style: ct (Chrono Trigger game script) 14:00:23 fungot, that's better 14:00:23 shachaf: the king awaits. you saved our queen? you want some jerky! will you sell to humans! get out?! hey! is that for us! the chef's in a snit, trying to get food to the front lines. heard a spell to energize the sword takes immense evil! indeed! this thing. what you have? transform! this trading house. it's the kind! i've decided to stay with these humans! you're a traitor! you're not our king! but, we are far outnumbered! 14:00:34 I thought you wanted him to be quiet 14:00:50 `delquote 299 14:00:54 ​*poof* Grr. Why does it exist? Why can't I kill it? 14:01:03 `quote 14:01:03 `quote 14:01:03 `quote 14:01:03 `quote 14:01:04 `quote 14:01:05 886) oerjan: Comonads? shachaf: no, feather 14:01:06 679) oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside world? fizzie: +47 oerjan: Ooh, you're, like, right next to Sweden there. I... guess you are geographically, too. 14:01:06 273) [After a long monologue] i think i have to escape this heated discussion before it becomes a flamewar 14:01:07 661) Here in Scotland we have a rigorous and well-tested theory of brothels. 14:01:07 129) * Phantom_Hoover sticks crayons in his nose 14:01:14 866 14:01:21 `delquote 886 14:01:25 ​*poof* oerjan: Comonads? shachaf: no, feather 14:01:38 `pastelogs feather 14:01:55 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.7850 14:01:56 what's up with 129 14:01:57 it's bad 14:02:09 `delquote 129 14:02:13 but i assume there's a reason it's there????????????????????? maybe i assume too much 14:02:14 ​*poof* * Phantom_Hoover sticks crayons in his nose 14:02:24 mnoqy: just asked a question and answered it in the next sentence 14:02:34 oops 14:03:05 `quote 14:03:07 450) Oh god. I've become a metallurgy hipster. 14:03:07 `quote 14:03:09 410) I'm having nostalgia for when we could see the glass from the floor 14:03:09 `quote 14:03:11 791) i just hit enter b/c its easier than ctrl+a del 14:03:11 `quote 14:03:13 744) A lot of things happened; not only me, but also you 14:03:13 `quote 14:03:15 539) Dear god stop staring at me. no never monqy is always staring at everyone. it takes many eyes to do this but I manage He is an inspiration to us all. 14:04:07 744 should be kept at all costs 14:04:17 yes 14:04:41 410 seems 'kinda point less" 14:04:45 i like 410 14:04:50 450 then 14:05:16 yup 14:05:21 `delquote 450 14:05:25 ​*poof* Oh god. I've become a metallurgy hipster. 14:05:52 good work FireFly 14:06:00 `quote 14:06:00 `quote 14:06:01 `quote 14:06:01 `quote 14:06:01 `quote 14:06:02 * oerjan swats shachaf for deleting a second quote from the same batch -----### 14:06:02 501) But I mean, why fix it if it ain't broke? Except now it is 14:06:02 404) god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan himself 14:06:03 476) i started running and smoking i love my lungs the way they are so trying to balance them out 14:06:03 323) I figured out something about C program. If you use ? : a lot then you don't need as much parentheses but it makes it more difficult to understand. 14:06:03 334) Learn to be Chinese and kill yourself 14:06:16 oerjan: we didn't delete any quote from the batch before that 14:06:19 oerjan: i had to balance it out 14:06:35 oerjan: also it was bad 14:06:54 is 404 a quote from somewhere 14:07:03 it's a quote from oklopol 14:07:23 its a reference to that one famous quote tho if that's what ou mean 14:07:34 elliott: you mean "iou" 14:08:17 shachaf: NO BALANCING. although i admit it was bad. 14:09:02 oerjan: why don't you tell that to oklopol "quote 476 reference" 14:09:43 because he's not here, apparently. 14:10:14 `quote 14:10:14 `quote 14:10:15 `quote 14:10:15 `quote 14:10:15 `quote 14:10:17 13) IN AN ALTERNATE UNIVERSE: First, invent the direct mind-computer interface. Second, learn the rest with your NEW MIND-COMPUTER INTERFACE. 14:10:17 709) oops I accidentally deleted the universe looks weird when you put a verb after accidentally like that 14:10:18 750) Very much like "cen" is Latin for "horse", "yak" is Latin for "yak". 14:10:18 330) [...] So it'll be a while before the boob will touch you back. 14:10:18 79) Making a small shrine to Lawlabee in my basement is something I should get around to at some point. 14:10:35 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:12:05 i like 750 and 330 but i don't get the rest 14:12:54 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:14:35 they are memories of ancient memes 14:14:46 `quote 14:14:47 `quote 14:14:47 `quote 14:14:47 `quote 14:14:47 `quote 14:14:48 922) a social network for household appliances like, it's one thing to have a washing machine that tweets at you when your laundry is done but another to have a washing machine that posts to its own wall and can become friends with the toaster "Toaster and Bathtub are now: It's Complicated" 14:14:49 572) When my registrar is emailing me that codu.xxx is available, that's a problem. 14:14:49 951) sometimes i am confronted with a problem and i think "I know, I'll use Banach-Tarski" 14:14:50 445) elliott: an old colonel lost, but a new brother gained. together they will ascend, each time you must be adventurin'. 14:14:50 709) oops I accidentally deleted the universe looks weird when you put a verb after accidentally like that 14:14:54 `run wc -l quotes 14:14:55 1034 quotes 14:15:06 709 really wants to be deleted 14:15:17 don't do it! 14:15:27 it will delete the universe too! 14:15:41 mnoqy: don't iou know the ALTERATE unIVERSE series? 14:15:46 classique qdb that 14:15:47 i know "of" it 14:16:08 `delquote 709 14:16:12 ​*poof* oops I accidentally deleted the universe looks weird when you put a verb after accidentally like that 14:16:19 def. the worst of that set 14:16:24 "decisions made easier" 14:16:28 709 is cute imo but i don't care that much 14:16:29 mnoqy mnoqy what did you do 14:16:33 i would have erred towards 445 14:16:36 or 572 14:16:36 it was cute 14:16:40 445 was cute 14:17:18 we have 34 quotes left to delete 14:17:24 better get to it eh 14:17:28 `quote 14:17:29 `quote 14:17:29 `quote 14:17:29 `quote 14:17:29 `quote 14:17:30 659) Here in Scotland we have a rigorous and well-tested theory of brothels. 14:17:31 232) file:///home/fis/src/chainlance/tapestats.png -- yes, I think it's nice that way when the edge is always the opponent's flag. 14:17:31 924) why the fuc i was very annoyed. k are my socks in the wastebin 14:17:31 846) [after discussing lens] they seem to be the fashion of this winter hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim 14:17:31 864) Conext coyou'll cotell come cothat coyou cocan't coprefix coeverything cowith co"co". pikhq: coof urse conot! 14:17:32 `quote 14:17:34 848) I kept telling my therapist I wanted more conventional, non-hip-hop-oriented treatment, but it was no use. my shrinkwrapped. okay i hate myself for making a pun that bad please kill me :( 14:17:34 oops 14:18:10 -!- boily has joined. 14:18:10 what's with 232 14:18:21 mocking fizzie for linking to a file on his computer 14:18:22 nice file:/// 14:18:44 `delquote 232 14:18:44 `delquote 846 14:18:48 ​*poof* [after discussing lens] they seem to be the fashion of this winter hagb4rd is wearing this season's Lens, a stunning little ensemble with functor trim 14:18:50 ​*poof* file:///home/fis/src/chainlance/tapestats.png -- yes, I think it's nice that way when the edge is always the opponent's flag. 14:18:56 um 846 is clearli worse 14:18:59 whew 14:19:00 if onli for being cut off 14:19:01 good order 14:19:07 i'm glad it didn't happen the other way 14:19:08 imo restore 232 14:19:10 no 14:19:11 it's bad 14:19:14 also there were 6 quotes 14:19:17 so we had to delete 2 14:19:17 hth 14:19:18 mnoqy: req. second opinion 14:19:26 `quote 14:19:27 `quote 14:19:27 `quote 14:19:28 `quote 14:19:28 62) i use dynamic indentation, i indent lines k times, if they are used O(n^k) times during a run of the program 14:19:28 523) When the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's a monad. 14:19:29 874) i like the idea that if you name your country a Soviet Republic you automatically get the right to call up Lenin on the telephone and complain about bathroom pranks 14:19:30 944) if you say "java" three times to a dark mirror does steele come out and lecture you about operator overloading 14:19:30 it's a double batch 14:19:41 we can't touch any of those though 14:19:47 mnoqy: um 14:19:51 which are which 14:19:55 thankfulli i like all of those 14:19:56 do batches have to be contiguous 14:20:00 whichever's most convenient 14:20:03 does anione understand 924 btw 14:20:04 i don't mind it 14:20:08 but i don't "get" it 14:20:11 232 was cute but i don't care enough about it to restore it 14:20:24 `quote 14:20:24 `quote 14:20:24 imo 864 is kind of bad 14:20:24 `quote 14:20:25 `quote 14:20:25 158) I don't trust ducks. They always look like they're planning something. I'm not sure it's a good idea to give them language capabilities. 14:20:25 `quote 14:20:25 223) HELLWORLD! It's like HELLO WORLD, except not *quite*. There is more agony. 14:20:26 433) Sgeo_, the origin of suffering is desire for e-book readers. 14:20:26 405) There's that saying that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. [...] You've just gave me a different result [...] It's always insane to expect different results, even when it's likely to occur. 14:20:27 837) usb sushi is dangerous. I think I would try to eat it 14:20:45 924 [was] cute but ye i dont get it either 14:20:47 i like all of those 14:20:54 405 is probabli the weakest? imo none of these want deleting 14:21:16 `quote 14:21:16 `quote 14:21:17 [A 14:21:17 [A 14:21:17 [A 14:21:18 383) * Sgeo mutters about broken toilets #toilet is useless is #toilet even a thing I'm looking for help with toilets 14:21:18 438) So it's like... Rummy mixed with... breakout? 14:21:19 no 14:21:20 oops 14:21:21 iou're fired 14:21:24 for incompetence 14:21:30 `quote 14:21:30 `quote 14:21:31 `quote 14:21:31 528) Vorpal: who needs cars when you can walk to latvia 14:21:31 578) fizzie: It's like a JIT, if JITs were... strings. 14:21:32 912) Gregor: are you in the brony documentary? 14:21:38 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: itt too much carnage). 14:21:53 rip 14:22:05 oerjan "another victim of the carnage" 14:22:17 itt oerjan says itt 14:22:49 are any of those worth deleting? i dont think so 14:22:49 okay all these quotes are bad 14:22:50 -!- Snowyowl has joined. 14:22:54 but none of them are bad enough to delete 14:23:00 um 383 is excellent 14:23:13 383 has its charm but only when you read it twice 14:23:16 383 is good, 528 and 578 are good (obviousli) 14:23:17 imo that's too much work 14:23:20 438 is cute 14:23:30 438 is cute yes 14:23:35 912 is sort of one of those cultural marks iou need to have aronud 14:23:39 `quote 14:23:39 `quote 14:23:40 `quote 14:23:40 `quote 14:23:41 `quote 14:23:41 853) i was going to say that the complexity of a demo grows exponentially with size, but it's not so much "exponential" as "faster than any computable function" 14:23:41 even if thei don't directli serve a purpose 14:23:41 543) lol :( 14:23:42 227) [on egojoust] The fact is that EgoBot's % handling is O(slow) and O(big), and mine isn't. 14:23:42 757) i just whacked it whacking is fine 14:23:42 996) i feel like i should say "sexual dimorphism" winkingly and then transmute myself into a horrid fleshbeast 14:24:22 `delquote 543 14:24:26 ​*poof* lol :( 14:24:29 i was going to go with 757 but okj 14:24:35 no 543 is excellent 14:24:37 `revert 14:24:40 Done. 14:24:41 757 im fine wit 14:24:48 im fine with 227 too 14:24:54 no 543 14:24:57 if not 543 then 227 14:25:11 mnoqy gets to decide 14:25:13 or 996 14:25:16 227 or 996 14:25:19 mnoqy choose 14:25:24 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 14:25:28 `delquote 757 14:25:33 ​*poof* i just whacked it whacking is fine 14:25:42 `quote 14:25:42 `quote 14:25:43 `quote 14:25:43 339) [after a long string of Lymia getting lambdabot to spit out huge, meaningless type signatures] I need to learn more Haskell... ..I need to get op privs. 14:25:43 `quote 14:25:44 `quote 14:25:44 657) Just because you can't design a reliable Monopoly machine out of chocolate doesn't mean nobody else can. 14:25:45 300) [...] OOPS.. my cockfile got destroyed 14:25:45 8) TODO: sex life 14:25:45 312) Google Maps has options for "avoid highways" and "avoid tolls", but no "avoid Chicago" 14:25:55 `delquote 300 14:26:00 ​*poof* [...] OOPS.. my cockfile got destroyed 14:26:06 `quote 14:26:06 `quote 14:26:07 `quote 14:26:07 [A 14:26:08 483) im hungary too...but cnnot eat until hours 14:26:08 334) yes i use the services of a psychic, but i'm considering getting a live one since stuff like "hello $name, your first name $first_name has |$first_name| letters, so by using numerology we can tell ..." is getting kind of boring 14:26:09 621) `quote themselves No output. `quote norway No output. `quote lunch No output. Useless bot. 14:26:09 [A 14:26:12 `quote 14:26:14 243) Why do you want to have sex in everything? I don't want. 14:26:14 `quote 14:26:16 844) I kept telling my therapist I wanted more conventional, non-hip-hop-oriented treatment, but it was no use. my shrinkwrapped. okay i hate myself for making a pun that bad please kill me :( 14:26:28 621 is bad 14:26:41 621 is bad but 483 is also bad 14:26:51 483 is the best quote 14:26:55 in all of the quote file 14:26:58 so quiet 14:27:10 844 is bad 14:27:30 844 is.....................special 14:27:36 621 is kind of bad 14:27:45 but 844 doesn't deserve to live 14:28:09 elliott: imo you decide 14:28:17 844 is not getting deleted its mi proudest moment 14:28:27 imo 844 is a very bad quote 14:28:34 i wouldnt delete ani of these but i dont reall care about 621 or realli 243 14:28:43 243 is zzo38 14:28:44 the first line of 844 is great but the rest of it i dont care for 14:28:45 you can't delete zzo38 14:28:59 243 is good 14:29:02 mnoqy: no 844 is bad from the first character on 14:29:04 `delquote 621 14:29:05 mnoqy: ije 844 could do with truncation perhaps 14:29:06 "it's settled" 14:29:09 ​*poof* `quote themselves No output. `quote norway No output. `quote lunch No output. Useless bot. 14:29:10 `quote 14:29:11 744) hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes 14:29:19 `delquote 744 14:29:21 thanks Snowyowl 14:29:23 ​*poof* hack and back? works on anything much slower than you at the cost of: guilt, hating yourself, me sending you the message "hi" am I also forbidden to cast mephitic cloud and cblink i will also send you "hi" if you: kite excessively, use mephitic cloud, -yes 14:29:23 good batch 14:29:24 i like 744 14:29:35 hang on 14:29:37 `quote 744 14:29:39 i keep it in a little book in mi pocket 14:29:39 744) gah this language is of the devil oklopol: you're meant to use your powers for _good_ 14:29:40 744 is about monqy saying hi 14:29:41 `revert 14:29:43 Done. 14:29:48 so i know what's up 14:29:49 you can't erase history, mnoqy 14:29:50 anihow 14:29:52 `quote 14:29:52 `quote 14:29:53 `quote 14:29:53 73) A person's sex is not the same thing as their penis length. 14:29:54 490) we need more films aimed at the lucrative irc nerd demographic 14:29:54 219) who is guido van rossum you could say he's a man who grew a beard but acquired none of the associated good properties 14:29:55 `quote 14:29:56 `quopte 744 14:29:57 846) FireFly: oh, did you see ion's police reindeer? that was ... at least as on-topic as this discussion 14:29:57 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quopte: not found 14:29:58 `quote 14:29:59 266) ZOMGMODULES, St. Christopher, saint and werewolf. 14:30:09 `delquote 73 14:30:13 ​*poof* A person's sex is not the same thing as their penis length. 14:30:18 are there any good Warrigal quotes 14:30:27 `quote Warrigal 14:30:29 5) GKennethR: he should be told that you should always ask someone before killing them. \ 7) what, you mean that wasn't your real name? Gosh, I guess it is. I never realized that. \ 47) I think hamsters cannot be inert. \ 49) Porn. There, see? \ 61) Warrigal: what do you me 14:30:49 47 isn't bad 14:30:50 49?: \ 14:30:57 all of those are bad 14:31:06 47 isn't soul-wrenchingly horrible 14:31:17 i like 47 14:31:30 `quote 61 14:31:32 61) Warrigal: what do you mean by 21? 14:31:33 47 is ok if you have no taste 14:31:48 `delquote 49 14:31:48 `quote 14:31:49 `quote 14:31:49 `quote 2013-05-02: 00:02:31 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 00:05:32 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 00:39:53 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:15:39 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 01:34:34 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:38:52 -!- Bike has joined. 01:41:42 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 01:42:19 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 01:42:19 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 01:45:38 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 01:49:51 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 02:08:36 -!- mnoqy has joined. 02:09:23 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:09:42 -!- Tritonio has joined. 02:11:24 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 02:15:26 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 02:36:09 -!- augur has joined. 02:40:24 kmc: http://hpaste.org/86610 02:41:07 haha 02:41:19 yes, I agree, you should be required to put your 'do' statements on the next line 02:41:22 :) 02:41:54 http://www.moreright.net/ 02:41:54 I don't think that was *quite* the point of that paste... 02:42:07 shachaf: did you see http://sprunge.us/AcVL 02:42:28 From now on I'm going to indent all my code with poetry, rather than tabs or spaces. 02:42:41 No. 02:42:46 so... what's the problem with the first paste exactly 02:43:40 Bike: it's indenting with comments, that's all 02:43:55 Oh no? 02:44:05 oh yes! 02:45:12 kmc: That's not too surprising. 02:45:17 Those statements wouldn't have to line up anyway... 02:45:40 it's not surprising, just terribad 02:45:46 (re switch/if) 02:45:48 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:46:46 Is moreright a parody of lesswrong? 02:46:57 Not intentionally. 02:47:20 It's a splinter group of less wrong, because less wrong was too liberal for 'em. 02:47:51 is it a phyg 02:49:20 los phygos 02:49:45 * shachaf vanishes in a puff of orange smoke. 02:50:07 por quoi 02:50:38 I once knew someone who's name perfectly fits a scheme for Lojban gismu 02:50:45 (Is gismu the word I'm looking for?) 02:50:55 CVCCV 02:51:24 does anyone here actually... know lojban? 02:51:32 also, fitting a constant-vowel pattern doesn't seem that weird? 02:51:50 tswett used to like Lojban I think 02:51:57 I know a little, not much 02:56:16 http://longplayer.org/what/overview.php 02:59:52 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 03:07:56 -!- xifeng has joined. 03:12:08 -!- xifeng has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 03:26:24 -!- conehead has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 04:11:56 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 04:18:02 -!- Bike has joined. 04:26:13 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 04:28:22 -!- Bike has joined. 04:29:19 -!- btiffin has joined. 05:06:22 first time i have read the bible it had struck me as unwitty i think it may start a rumor that the lord ain't got no humor 05:06:47 put me inside SSC, let's test superstring theory 05:07:07 ay yi yi yi, accelerating protons, i stir it twice, and then just add me 05:14:19 -!- Tritonio__ has joined. 05:17:24 -!- conehead has joined. 05:17:46 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 05:18:45 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 05:25:15 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has joined. 05:27:04 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:31:33 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 05:39:51 kmc: some of the bible is pretty funny 05:40:26 i was talking to someone and they were saying that the story of samson isn't funny 05:40:29 imo they're wrong 05:40:59 i don't know about this one 05:41:20 "Samson had two vulnerabilities, however: his attraction to untrustworthy women and his hair, without which he was powerless." 05:41:34 "Why can't I have money and hair and him nothing?" 05:41:43 that about sums it up yeah 05:41:54 also: i'd nominate zipporah at the inn myself 05:42:01 kmc: it's p. great 05:42:08 shachaf: When you're inside a religious context, the humor is hard to see. 05:42:55 'The Angel of the Lord then ascended up into the sky in the fire revealing that it had been God in angelic form, as the Angel of the Lord and "an" angel are two different things. This was such dramatic evidence as to the nature of the Messenger, that Manoah feared for his life, as it has been said that no-one can live after seeing God; however, his wife soon convinced him that if God planned to slay them, he would never have revealed 05:43:04 wikipedia summaries of bible stories 05:43:07 ladies and gentlemen 05:43:53 so the secret to his strength is that he never cuts his hair 05:44:15 shachaf: should i get new glasses that aren't bent 05:44:22 before i 'interview' for 'jobs' 05:44:36 oh boy are you 'interviewing' for 'jobs' 05:44:42 is it in sf or elsewhere 05:44:49 don't know 05:45:04 do people pay attention to whether your glasses are bent 05:45:05 i haven't emailed people yet 05:45:10 maypbe they do!!!!!!! 05:45:12 * shachaf isn't an expert in all this interviewing business 05:45:18 That would be kinda funny, if you got interviews but they didn't tell you where the interviewers were. 05:45:54 i haven't started the process yet 05:45:55 anyway, delilah asks him "what's the secret of your strength" and he says "if you tie me up with so-and-so ropes, my strength will go away" 05:46:03 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has changed nick to ThatOtherPerson. 05:46:12 so she ties him up with so-and-so ropes 05:46:14 and it doesn't work 05:46:25 "delilah, you got some 'splainin' to do!" 05:46:34 then she asks him again, and he tells her, ok, you have to use such-and-such ropes, and she does that 05:46:36 and it doesn't work 05:46:57 then she keeps asking him and he says "if you tie my hair up in such-and-such way then my strength will go away" 05:47:01 and she does that, and it doesn't work 05:47:15 and then she asks him again and he tells her the truth?? 05:47:30 It's stories like that that make me wonder if whatshisname wasn't on to something about the old testament being written by pre-behaviorally-modern humans. 05:47:56 behaviorally-premodern. i got this. i'm a scientist 05:48:26 kmc: if your eyes are only medium-bad you could interview without glasses 05:49:26 wait, are glasses supposed to make you look smarter "important interview point" 05:49:49 maybe bent glasses make you look even smarter 05:50:18 kmc: where are you going to interview 05:50:56 Bike: What about that makes you think it's pre-modern? 05:51:17 pikhq: The way it's fucking stupid, basically. 05:51:21 shachaf: I think I will email Mozilla and also Matasano! 05:51:22 Ah. Right. 05:51:30 we will see if either thinks I am good enough for an 'interview' 05:51:52 (or, barely more seriously, it's very repetitive) 05:52:10 would be interested to hear about any other places in SF area to which I should apply 05:52:47 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:53:07 Well, if you're including Mountain View etc. then there are a bunch more places than just SF. 05:53:13 that's true 05:53:13 Though it should be said, it seems the Old Testament is in some way connected to the religions of nearby cultures... 05:53:23 i would really rather work in SF 05:53:28 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 05:53:28 -!- sebbu has joined. 05:53:33 but Matasano is in MV and sounds really cool¿ 05:53:39 There's nice bits like "hmm, all the pantheon shows up, some of them as names of YHWH." 05:53:43 -!- conehead has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 05:53:53 i was at the stripe office today for bacat. nelhage works there so it must be cool right?? 05:54:46 what's a bacat? also yes 05:54:54 bay area categories and types 05:55:22 ah 05:55:35 -!- conehead has joined. 05:55:36 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:58:22 yes maybe I should apply to Stripe 06:00:47 shachaf: twitter never answered me as to why they care if I like Firefly 06:01:04 Firefly? 06:01:42 Is this a "you must be similar to us to work here" sort of thing? 06:01:53 yep 06:01:54 Is it ok if you like "The Avengers" instead 06:02:32 yep https://twitter.com/jobs/positions?jvi=o0m7Wfw9,Job 06:03:00 Oh, *Linux Kernel Engineer*. That makes sense. 06:03:16 Every good Linux Kernel Engineer likes Firefly. 06:03:32 The secret is that to understand Linux's code well, you have to unravel the comments, which are a net of technological tidbits hidden within Firefly references. 06:03:38 see also http://depts.washington.edu/sibl/Publications/Cheryan,%20Plaut,%20Davies,%20&%20Steele%20(2009).pdf 06:03:41 is what I said to them. 06:03:48 FireFly: i think FireFlys are p. cool 06:05:00 kmc: You want us to read sixteen fucking pages to hire you?? think again bro!!!! 06:05:29 broseph 06:05:32 broseraphim 06:05:40 many-eyed broseraphim 06:05:59 OK, wait, hold on. 06:06:11 The university of BC has a "Department of Psychology and Computer Science"? 06:06:50 is this some AI thing.... 06:07:25 hey remember how slashdot had departments 06:07:49 δα 06:08:14 are you spelling russian words in greek alphabets don't do that hth 06:08:18 im don it 06:08:30 also i always read δ as l 06:08:35 por quoi 06:08:35 “Further investigation revealed that the stereotypical broadcast a masculine stereotype that discouraged women’s sense of ambient belonging and subsequent interest in the environment but had no similar effect on men.” 06:08:36 because it looks like the hebrew cursive l 06:08:39 Department of Redundancy Department 06:08:54 This conclusion is unexpected 06:08:58 hmmmmmmmm cursive hebrew is p. odd 06:09:07 i'm not sure if it's called cursive 06:09:10 i guess it is 06:09:12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cursive_Hebrew 06:09:14 Hm, I guess it's part of the "Irving K. Barber School of Arts and Sciences" 06:09:21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hebrew_letter_Lamed_handwriting.svg 06:09:29 itt ambient belonging 06:09:40 which letter 06:09:46 לx → x + 1 06:09:52 lamed 06:09:56 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Warlord_era 06:09:59 o 06:11:06 i was wondering, if there is any language which uses a well-known alphabet but assigns completely different sounds to each letter 06:11:23 kmc: you're using it 06:11:30 :-) 06:11:47 :O 06:11:50 touché 06:11:52 > ':':repeat '-' 06:11:53 ":-------------------------------------------------------------------------... 06:11:53 You mean like, uses the Latin alpahbet but doesn't sound much like classical Latin? 06:12:05 ok point taken, nerds 06:12:09 Personally I'd look at well... anywhere in Asia. 06:12:13 I mean have you seen Japanese. 06:12:20 east asia, i should say 06:12:37 japan isn't in asia hth 06:14:00 kmc: Cherokee alphabet? 06:14:02 WU. AMERICA! 06:14:18 the cherokee alphabet is awesome and i will fight you if you disagree 06:14:48 Bike will fight you no matter what 06:14:49 I guess it's a good example of what kmc's thinking of though. 06:14:57 Since it was invented by an illiterate guy holy shit 06:15:01 yeah, okay, this is p. much the perfect example 06:15:06 of what I was thinking of though 06:15:10 "welp just gonna invent writing" 06:15:17 Bike: he became self-literate by self-designed script 06:15:18 awesome 06:15:21 swag overload 06:15:22 "don't worry i got this shit" 06:15:25 http://www.almightydad.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/calvin-hobbes-bike-2.jpg 06:15:34 http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100805194802/candh/images/a/a2/Bike.gif 06:15:47 http://pacificpedaling.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/calvinbike.gif 06:16:06 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JSU4o4C7xr8/Tb7N9dFaqqI/AAAAAAAACuY/9RHle8IXMcE/s1600/calvin-bike.jpg 06:16:15 itt bicycles are hard to lern? 06:16:36 that boy ain't got shit on me 06:16:49 well 06:16:59 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_MTLuYsHo2uE/Rv7P4NFM9fI/AAAAAAAAAEA/KsTyY26-UDk/s400/calvin-bike1.jpg 06:17:04 simpler example would be Cyrillic script 06:17:10 OK Bike, listen up! I don't like you and you don't like me. 06:17:16 I don't know much about the history of Cyrillic. 06:17:27 Like I guess there was a Saint Cyril involved? ANd it's based on Byzantine Greek probably? 06:17:33 all this ethanol is affecting my brain 06:17:37 But I've got the tools to reduce you to a pile of pipes, sprockets, and ball bearings! Do we understand each other? 06:17:46 shachaf is the incredible machine 06:18:01 zomg the incredible machine 06:18:09 good game eh 06:18:22 shachaf: sounds like you need to download some slavic paleography texts from russian rapidshare!!!!! 06:19:02 omgggggggg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiocular_O 06:19:08 someone uploaded a better glyph 06:19:12 with 10 eyes 06:19:16 godspeed, someone. 06:19:18 take that, unicode consortium 06:19:25 fight the power. fight the consortium 06:19:37 12 codepoints guiltied to a zegnatronic rocket society 06:20:09 серафими многоꙮчитїи 06:20:42 itt kmc gets high and talks ortho 06:21:00 y 06:21:14 highgan 06:22:15 how drunk are you right now 06:22:26 several 06:22:35 wow 06:22:37 but not many? 06:22:42 'This work "opened the eyes of Belarusians to see themselves as a real nation" putting them (in the beginning of the 20th century) "unexpectedly at the head of all the Slavonic people in the scientific knowledge about their language"' 06:23:17 things I know about belaurs: probably fucked during WWII? 06:23:36 who wasn't 06:23:39 bela urs, Bike 06:23:45 answer: AMERICA!!!!! 06:24:20 america: showing up late to every war, taking credit 06:27:18 I'm not sure why we even joined WWI, it was pretty stupid 06:27:50 -!- santiago3444 has joined. 06:27:57 who, the US? 06:28:05 -!- santiago3444 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:28:10 British propaganda, in large part 06:28:29 maybe Wilson's grandiose visions to some extent 06:28:33 `? the us 06:28:47 Oh right, they were sinking passenger ships 06:28:48 hackego :'( 06:29:20 Yeah, the Lusitania was the direct cause. 06:29:28 What about the them 06:29:43 Jafet: HackEgo also has an entry for the THEM. 06:31:45 When it comes to stupid wars, WWI has to be one of the stupidest. 06:32:04 i dunno 06:32:11 falklands war 06:32:39 ThatOtherPerson: Siachen Glacier. 06:33:52 Everything about that area is pretty fantastically insane, really 06:33:57 it's amazing how many times india and pakistan have gone to war without whipping out the nukes 06:34:23 I think the secret is that even dumbassed hawks have to think "are we really gonna do it over a fucking glacier" 06:34:30 yeah 06:34:34 Yeah, but at least they actually had something that they disagreed about and decide to kill each other because of it 06:35:07 also you've reminded me of Shebaa farms 06:35:14 «The 1972 Simla Agreement did not clearly mention who controlled the glacier, merely stating that from the NJ9842 location the boundary would proceed "thence north to the glaciers." UN officials presumed there would be no dispute between India and Pakistan over such a cold and barren region.» 06:35:23 Instead of having nothing that they disagreed about and decide to kill each other because someone else killed someone else 06:35:24 Syria and Lebanon agree that it's part of Lebanon but Israel claims that it's part of Syria under military occupation 06:35:34 lol 06:35:51 ThatOtherPerson: well, treaties are important. and it had broader reasons than that. 06:36:01 "Their conclusion was based on the facts that: a) some area residents paid taxes to Lebanon" 06:36:03 Like "fucking slavs, die" for instance 06:36:04 in ottoman era 06:36:11 the most accurate records are the tax records 06:36:12 always 06:36:17 Bike: ah, good point 06:37:37 I mean, saying "haha, archduke, let's kill twenty million" is funny and all, but people aren't actually that silly, they have other reasons. 06:40:04 for instance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balkan_Wars wrt 'someone else killed someone else' 06:40:21 stalin smiles and churchill laughs, hitler claps mao tse tung on the back 06:40:25 If I recall correctly, the Balkan regions had been part of the Ottoman Empire, and had been wanting to be independent for years 06:40:41 And then Austria took control of them 06:40:47 Yes, the Ottoman empire was full of nationalists. 06:40:54 You can see the consequences today in the wonderful life of the Kurds 06:41:07 Which understandably upset them 06:42:37 how could ottoman empire even be nationalist 06:42:45 when it's full of all kinds of strange & wonderful places 06:42:54 I can understand that, it's just almost silly that the alliances blew up the conflict to such proportions 06:42:57 Full of nationalists as in full of nationalists for strange and wonderful places, not for the ottoman empire. 06:43:10 Or is that another song lyric 06:43:43 ThatOtherPerson: it's not like russia and germany didn't already want a go at one another, I mean. 06:44:06 Yeah, I know :/ 06:44:20 That probably accounts for most of the war 06:44:33 And stuff like that 06:44:59 If it makes you feel better, there were a couple wars in China that killed way more people that you've never heard of. 06:45:13 And deaths from disease in WWI outstripped deaths from combat anyway. 06:46:46 I'm not sure that makes me feel better :P 06:47:10 also there was an earthquake in china that killed 830,000 people in 1556 06:47:14 Taiping Rebellion is pretty crazy really. Dude was like "Hey, you know what? Jesus!" And then Jesus. Also a couple dozen million people died. 06:47:43 how do you even deal with such an event 06:47:46 as a civilization 06:47:49 Write Candide? 06:47:54 how do you not just conclude that god hates you 06:48:01 Oh, uh. Can't help you there. 06:48:01 hmmmmmm good idea 06:48:06 Since that's literally what Candide is about? 06:48:12 "Earthquake. Guess God hates us." 06:49:45 Part of the reason the driving here is so bad is because the people here say that they will die exactly when God wants them to die 06:49:57 I probably worded that poorly... 06:50:21 They have a word for it, "enshalah", which means "God willing" 06:50:26 and they really like that word 06:50:41 is it like 'allahu akbar' 06:50:51 because i watch a lot of syrian videos and i swear they use it even more than i cuss 06:51:43 My dad's argument against that is something like: "Well then, God must hate you, since you have a higher number of deaths from car accidents then nearly anywhere else" 06:52:56 Bike: they don't say "Allahu Akbar (God is greatest)" that much, except maybe in religious ceremonies 06:53:19 For example, you can hear them saying it during prayer call 06:53:45 I mean a lot of the time it's in a context where i'd say something insightful like "oh shit" or "haha fuck yes!" or "oh god, oh god i'm going to die", but it seems like more than that. 06:54:41 Bike: are said videos from religious leaders or highly religious people? 06:54:48 Nah. 06:55:06 huh 06:55:09 Most of the videos I watch are about killing tanks or getting bombed and stuff. 06:55:19 Oh right, highly religious 06:55:21 I mean, Syria's a different place from Saudi Arabia, obviously, I'm just wondering. 06:56:19 One of the things that result from forcing an entire country's population to belong to a religion is that most people aren't very religious 06:57:29 mm. 06:57:37 syria was socialist, i doubt they had that particular problem 06:58:53 ThatOtherPerson: They are religious to exactly the degree they're forced to, y'mean? :P 06:59:21 yep 07:06:55 ∞ 07:07:20 8 07:14:46 F♯A♯∞ 07:17:08 *ten minutes of guitar feedback and screaming* 07:34:41 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:36:32 -!- FreeFull has quit. 07:43:50 oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burrows-Wheeler_Transform#Bijective_variant is really awful :'( 07:47:53 -!- Snowyowl has quit (Quit: Page closed). 07:54:56 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:56:28 -!- glogbackup has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:58:35 -!- conehead has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:59:33 I think I have played more games over the last couple of days then I have ever played before in my life 07:59:49 s/games/computer games 08:04:14 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: history-didn't-hap-p-e-n). 08:10:52 shachaf: why 08:11:35 i don't know why 08:11:48 maybe the person who wrote it didn't care or didn't speak much english or who knows!!!!!! 08:22:59 I find the BWT a bit mysterious and magical 08:23:11 BWT? 08:23:18 ThatOtherPerson: you should play Agora 08:23:23 the burrows-wheeler transform 08:23:56 coppro: is that from ludum dare? 08:24:48 -!- btiffin has left. 08:26:50 ThatOtherPerson: no 08:27:29 ah, okay 08:27:35 I've been rating LD games 08:28:50 what is LD? 08:29:14 Ludum Dare 08:29:30 You have to make a game solo based on a theme in 48 hours 08:29:44 ah 08:29:48 Or with the relaxed rules, with a team in 72 hours 08:29:56 http://agoranomic.org/ 08:30:05 http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ 08:30:35 ah, it's based on nomic :D 08:30:50 I played that once with some people from another IRC channel 08:31:42 it is indeed a nomic 08:31:46 it's approaching its 20th birthday! 08:32:35 the rules are rather long... 08:35:48 yeah, so don't read them all 08:35:59 just subscribe to the mailing lists, try to follow along 08:38:14 -!- aloril has joined. 08:48:26 It was rather fun when I was in it. 08:49:35 pikhq: you should be in it more 08:50:23 Been dealing with personal shit. Alas. 08:57:38 for that long? 08:57:43 :( 09:10:02 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 09:17:56 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 09:43:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 09:46:12 -!- btiffin has joined. 09:47:48 -!- btiffin has left. 09:54:35 -!- Tritonio has joined. 09:55:46 -!- Tritonio__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 10:08:14 Hmmm... 10:08:31 I should read up on BWT to see what's new. 10:09:03 nothing is new 10:09:08 I implemented it when DDJ published the article in the 90's. 10:10:46 DDJ used to be a decent magazine... 10:12:42 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:22:29 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 10:32:45 -!- Jafet has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 10:41:34 -!- Tritonio has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:42:13 -!- Tritonio has joined. 10:42:13 -!- Tritonio has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:42:31 -!- Tritonio has joined. 10:43:14 -!- sirdancealo2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:45:04 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 10:57:00 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 10:58:30 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 10:58:59 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 11:02:46 -!- Tritonio__ has joined. 11:04:54 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:08:18 -!- Tritonio__ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 11:14:31 -!- Tritonio has joined. 11:24:05 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 11:27:26 -!- Tritonio has joined. 11:40:39 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:41:32 `quote 11:46:25 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 12:16:01 -!- Tritonio has joined. 12:27:29 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 12:28:19 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 12:59:34 -!- Tritonio has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:59:53 -!- Tritonio has joined. 13:09:17 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 13:12:08 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 13:12:39 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 13:27:59 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 13:53:42 -!- Snowyowl has joined. 13:57:21 `quote 13:57:52 still dead huh 14:06:12 -!- oerjan has joined. 14:15:49 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:18:40 hm glogbot died 14:18:40 oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 14:20:04 @ask NihilistDandy Wait, what was that about? 14:20:04 Consider it noted. 14:20:32 maybe it's in the missing logs 14:20:46 tunes knows 14:21:13 -!- boily has joined. 14:21:59 oerjan: Oh no! 14:22:07 elliott: hm no it doesn't. 14:22:08 Now you won't see the things I said to you while you were away. 14:22:23 oerjan: then nobody knows 14:22:29 shachaf: how terrible, also GET A WIKIPEDIA ACCOUNT 14:22:39 oerjan: I HAVE A WIKIPEDIA ACCOUNT hth 14:22:53 well YSE UT FOR EDITNING 14:23:00 Hmm, do I? 14:23:12 * oerjan thinks that was better with the tyos 14:24:33 ugh now 49 isn't deleted, i bet <-- IT SHOULDN'T BE IT DIDN'T COME FROM A PROPER BATCH hth 14:24:57 @tell mnoqy ugh now 49 isn't deleted, i bet <-- IT SHOULDN'T BE IT DIDN'T COME FROM A PROPER BATCH hth 14:24:57 Consider it noted. 14:25:16 49? 14:25:20 what's 49? 14:25:37 the last quote deleted before the bots croaked hth 14:26:33 oerjan: what if i just promise to mentally append hth to everything you say 14:26:51 that would be awfully redundant hth 14:27:02 * oerjan runs away hth 14:27:13 oerjan: then you could stop appending hth to everything you say hth 14:27:47 itt we aren't afraid of little acronyms afaik hth 14:29:16 The Heavy Transport Helicopter (HTH) is a program study into the European Heavy Lift Helicopter Program by Eurocopter. 14:35:12 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 14:44:49 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130502-fungotg.flac that time of the day again 14:44:49 fizzie: you! take! we find! just like crono! you had me so long to return to your era. 14:50:09 -!- boily1 has joined. 14:51:50 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:52:01 -!- boily1 has changed nick to boily. 14:52:37 http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News/middle-east/2013/05/02/Saudi-Arabia-says-five-dead-from-new-SARS-like-virus.html <-- well that is slightly disturbing ._. 14:53:41 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-22378541 14:54:36 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:55:24 I'm worried now. 14:57:09 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 15:00:49 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has joined. 15:02:36 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Disconnected by services). 15:02:40 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has changed nick to ThatOtherPerson. 15:11:34 EΨ = ĤΨ 15:14:45 -!- Jafet has joined. 15:23:26 -!- boily has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 15:29:46 -!- boily has joined. 15:38:56 -!- Bike has joined. 15:51:36 -!- nooodl has joined. 15:58:56 -!- Taneb has joined. 16:00:34 Hey Taneb! 16:00:38 Hi! 16:00:47 What's up? 16:01:04 I haven't been doing much other than rating LD games. 16:03:33 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Coffee time). 16:04:38 oerjan: coffee is bad for you hth 16:06:18 shachaf: it is quit coffee time 16:06:31 quit so 16:08:51 Is programming almost exclusively in Haskell bad for you? 16:10:33 Well, programming languages with other programming styles than functional programming probably helps you think in different ways 16:10:51 And vice versa, which is why I need to start learning Haskell sooner or later :P 16:12:50 Haskell is good for your brains. 16:13:44 how so? 16:19:33 it liquefies them and induces categorical thinking. 16:35:07 -!- Snowyowl has quit (Quit: Page closed). 16:37:57 somehow I don't view liquefied brain as a good thing 16:43:31 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 16:44:57 -!- Tritonio__ has joined. 16:45:42 -!- Tritonio_ has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:46:34 ThatOtherPerson: once you're used to the sloshing every time you move around, that's no worse than having solid brains. 16:46:55 besides, you can put goldfish in your skull when the content's been liquefied. 16:47:01 lots of nutrients. good for the fishes. 16:47:25 Of course, the brain is mainly liquid anyway, it's just that there's a little bit of lipids and whatnot holding it all in place. 16:52:41 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:53:16 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 16:59:30 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 17:03:40 -!- lambdabot has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 17:04:41 I asked Taneb to prove that he is not Notch. 17:04:47 He hasn't been able to yet. 17:05:01 Therefore I think Taneb is Notch. 17:10:18 -!- conehead has joined. 17:11:10 -!- conehead has quit (Client Quit). 17:11:23 -!- conehead has joined. 17:14:35 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 17:15:00 Taneb and Notch. Both have an "n". QED. 17:25:30 and also have a "t". 17:25:33 -!- Tritonio__ has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:31:07 -!- lambdabot has joined. 17:44:30 -!- Taneb has joined. 17:52:41 -!- Lymia has joined. 18:08:53 -!- FreeFull has joined. 18:10:10 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:12:40 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 18:13:19 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 18:13:19 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 18:16:08 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:17:18 -!- Tritonio has joined. 18:17:45 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 18:20:47 @tell oerjan Wolfram's Turing machine numbering was what that was about. 18:20:47 Consider it noted. 18:21:11 fizzie: Half-Life 3 Confirmed 18:21:11 NihilistDandy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 18:22:29 -!- Tritonio_ has joined. 18:24:22 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:24:45 -!- sebbu has joined. 18:24:47 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:25:28 -!- sebbu has quit (Changing host). 18:25:29 -!- sebbu has joined. 18:29:20 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 18:29:26 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:30:04 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 18:30:04 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 18:30:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 18:33:14 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:38:59 DO ANY AIRLINES PROVIDE IN-FLIGHT INTERNET 18:39:16 me 18:39:26 Are you an airline 18:39:30 Taneb: Um, yes. 18:39:34 Usually for a fee. 18:39:49 Gregor: can you give me an example of airline/price? 18:39:51 See http://www.gogoair.com/ 18:40:00 any airline/ridiculously expensive 18:40:03 (I don't know of any other "brand", Gogo seems to be on plenty of my flights) 18:41:37 Norwegian has their own in-flight wifi on their flights. 18:42:21 http://www.norwegian.com/uk/travel-information/travel-services/wifi/ 18:42:34 Doesn't mention prices. Possibly the reservation system has them. 18:42:49 -!- martin__ has joined. 18:43:04 Thanks, guys 18:43:05 Possibly it's even without an extra fee, who knows. 18:43:12 You have satisfied my brother's curiosity 18:43:38 I hear Finnair is piloting the service at the moment, but they haven't rolled it out yet. 18:44:18 ("Finnair started testing on Wednesday, using wireless internet and tablet computers onboard one of its intercontinental Airbus A330 aeroplanes. The two-month trial will also examine how passengers use tablets during the flight.") 18:44:22 -!- carado has joined. 18:44:43 (Wednesday == March 20th.) 18:44:45 oh 18:44:47 It says it's free. 18:44:49 No Norwegian's site 18:45:19 sometimes you can use it for free with iodine 18:46:32 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 18:47:15 Lumpio-: On the other hand, I think Norwegian charges separately for all food, soft drinks, and everything else. (Except possibly water, I think.) 18:47:43 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:49:48 On US-based airlines the norm is free soda or coffee and nothing else. 18:50:09 Food is almost never free, except maybe a bag of nuts or pretzels if you're lucky. 18:50:28 you still get free food on long international flights 18:50:32 but yeah 18:50:44 Yes, 'struth. 18:51:14 Finnair charges for... strong alcoholic drinks, I think. But the free food offerings have been scaled down for shorter flights. 18:51:26 There's also a difference between charter flights and scheduled flights. 18:51:49 i took like a one hour flight from LHR to AMS on KLM and got a baguette with cheese! 18:51:52 but then they lost my bags. 18:52:02 bags > baguettes 18:52:13 also that was in 2007 18:52:20 long long ago 18:52:33 I got a bag of nuts and a glass of apple juice on the Seattle-Portland flight. And they also lost (well, didn't manage to get it on the plane in time, actually) my bags. 18:52:38 Bags > nuts, I suppose. 18:52:50 Though they came just an hour later on the next flight, so maybe it doesn't quite count as "lost". 18:53:29 yeah mine came the next day 18:53:53 (The AMS-SEA flight was a bit late, so I had to run to catch the plane myself. Seattle airport was kind of moderately-biggish and slightly confusing.) 18:54:43 In all my many flights, my bags have never been lost or misplaced. 18:54:54 But then, I live a blessed life. 18:55:11 Gregor: you are voiced. of course your life is blessed. 18:55:12 Also the SEA-PDX leg was an Alaska Airlines flight, and something like 45 or 50 minutes. It was kind of silly. 18:55:50 fizzie: I not-infrequently have to take an ORD->IND flight as the last leg of travel. I live between the two airports. 18:56:27 Gregor: Can't you jump out of the plane midway there? 18:58:17 I could, but I doubt they'd redirect my bags. 18:58:44 You can first drop them off with their own little parachutes. 18:59:04 I'd have to break into the cargo compartment to do that tho. 19:00:41 can you access the cargo from the passengers' cabin? 19:00:50 no 19:01:16 Gregor would have to break through the floor 19:01:16 meh. 19:01:52 Today I realised that my normal speaking voice is actually higher than my natural speaking voice 19:02:01 I'm really excited all the time 19:06:25 -!- martin__ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 19:08:11 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 19:18:03 I used to be excited all the time 19:24:58 Then you took lethargy to the knee? 19:26:33 fuck you Gregor 19:27:55 -!- quintopia has joined. 19:27:55 8-D 19:32:17 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:36:18 hi Gregor 19:36:54 should i make a very narrow penis shaped thing back at you? 19:38:01 Always. 19:38:07 8--D 19:38:11 it's not a penis, it's a skeleton with breasts 19:38:15 mine is longer you see 19:39:29 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has joined. 19:40:32 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:40:56 88----DD. 19:42:23 hi boily 19:43:05 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:43:06 i see that you've punctuated your doubling of the last shape i made 19:45:34 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 19:46:40 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 19:51:33 quintopia: hi quintopia.. 19:52:05 yeah. it's become a reflex to punctuate everything. 19:55:02 KABOOM 19:55:02 -!- ThatOtherPersonY has changed nick to ThatOtherPerson. 19:55:27 i need another version of screen 19:58:21 what's your version? 19:59:13 The kind with the light that goes in computers or the kind that keeps mosquitoes out? 19:59:47 4.00.03jw4 (FAU) 20:00:11 Be all different, go with tmux. 20:00:13 jw4??? 20:00:24 do you have a better version boily 20:00:26 fizzie: never managed to get tmux configured as I like. 20:00:36 I have the very same version of screen. 20:00:49 quintopia: I have 4.00.03, without that mysterious jw4. 20:01:12 fizzie: groups are broken in this version 20:01:20 where fixed version at? 20:01:37 "Support non-BMP utf8 characters": latest commit message from screen.git 20:01:42 How fancy. 20:02:03 screen has a git? 20:02:11 Sure. 20:02:15 http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/screen.git 20:02:23 Lots of GNU things have gits there. 20:02:35 * quintopia clones 20:03:08 It's not a terribly active git, it seems. 20:05:45 fizzie: woah 20:06:04 of course 20:06:13 it doesn't even build 20:07:03 -!- ogrom has joined. 20:09:54 the 0.12 tournament is coming up soon! I wonder if I'll get a win during it. 20:10:35 boily: yo i just switched to #esoteric from ##crawl and you confused the fuck out of me 20:10:38 pls refrain 20:11:22 elliott: MWAH AH AH AH AH AH! 20:12:39 ThatOtherPerson: a veritable shachaf eh 20:12:54 hi elliott 20:12:55 A shachaf eh? 20:13:00 hmc 20:13:06 sh∀chaf 20:13:13 20:15:30 a Canadian shachaf, eh? 20:16:21 Oh, it's a roguelike 20:16:22 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:17:30 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 20:17:48 elliott: I believe ThatOtherPerson found this channel because I mentioned it elsewhere 20:18:10 That is correct. 20:18:12 so if i mention #2,000 will he join it 20:18:30 channels can have commas in their names? 20:18:38 yep 20:18:41 elliott: commas are not allowed in channel names 20:18:52 freenode doesn't follow the standard, try it 20:18:52 So #2,000 is redirected to #2 20:19:01 hey don't take my word for it, try /j #2,000 20:19:04 shrug 20:19:05 I did. 20:19:13 hmm your client sucks 20:19:21 if it sends JOIN #2,000 it parts every channel 20:19:27 Ah, that's probably it. 20:19:36 if I /join 2,000, I end up in 2 and 000. 20:19:53 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 20:20:09 -!- boily has joined. 20:20:31 /quit is not the same as /close. /quit is not the same as /close. 20:20:33 bye boily. hi boily. 20:20:41 boily hoily 20:20:50 good one 20:20:55 thelliott 20:21:03 ywmc 20:21:09 it's fun to stay at the y w m c 20:21:18 elliott: Well, in general, if someone mentions a channel, I'll join it because I am curious and want to know everything. 20:21:36 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 20:21:39 #ubuntu 20:22:17 #myhovercraftisfullofeels 20:22:17 ##animalsex 20:22:21 Eh, I already know about ubuntu 20:22:46 ##howtodisposeofcorpses 20:22:58 ##illegalfirearms 20:22:59 OKAY MAYBE NOT EVERY CHANNEL 20:23:05 #php 20:23:07 just ones that sound interesting 20:23:12 #php was my next thought 20:23:13 (the joke is that PHP is worse than all of those things) 20:23:19 #php does not sound interesting 20:23:33 i bet #php is an experience 20:23:36 some channels freenode specifically directs you to a channel saying that they don't have a channel for that and you must be kidding 20:23:36 i'm going to join #php now 20:23:41 p. good 20:23:47 kmc: it used to be pretty bad 20:23:50 probably it's worse now 20:23:53 if I'm not heard from in 24 hours, call the national guard 20:23:54 send updates please 20:23:59 in forms of pasting a lot 20:24:20 la php no es buena para su salud 20:24:48 * ThatOtherPerson considers registering #myhovercraftisfullofeels 20:24:56 elliott: so like #childpron gets redirected i guess? 20:25:02 ##myhovercraftisfulloffeels 20:25:20 quintopia: #gnaa does, dunno about any others 20:25:25 Phantom__Hoover: i had feels once 20:25:28 lolol 20:25:29 it was awful 20:26:10 ##animalsex // Too bad the animal sex lobby couldn't register an /official/ channel on Freenode? 20:26:34 i clearly missed something 20:26:35 it's actually just about animals having sex with each other 20:26:57 like they do on the discovery channel 20:27:12 a fascinating topic really 20:27:13 sexing animals can be quite difficult 20:27:16 especially fowl 20:27:22 i have a book on the subject 20:27:23 like, bone worms? them's some wacky shit. 20:27:25 very technical 20:27:32 my girlfriend has a book on sexual reproduction in higher fungi 20:27:35 it's v. strange 20:28:00 also there are mushrooms growing in my front yard today 20:28:05 kmc: she bought it to improve your sex life BURRRRRRRRRRRRNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN 20:28:06 ahem 20:28:08 not sure which kind, probably not edible 20:28:08 carry on 20:28:09 http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-explains-how-they-get-all-those-cars-on-the,32288/ good president 20:28:19 kmc: what makes a fungus higher? 20:28:27 every time kmc says something there's a little thread in my brain that tries to work out how to turn it into a burn 20:28:30 also yes fungus sex is pretty wack 20:28:35 when i die it will be the last part to go out 20:28:58 I didn't realize that fungi reproduced sexually. 20:29:01 i'm not sure my favorite fungi spore thing is the guns, or the soccer balls 20:29:14 Gregor: it's not universal 20:29:15 Bike: i think it means, like, macroscopic structured things rather than yeast and molds 20:29:18 i'm not sure 20:29:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dikarya gives a somewhat different definition 20:29:25 oh 20:29:33 interesting fungi 20:29:39 yeast and molds are interesting!!! 20:29:41 well, i guess slime molds are interesting too 20:29:45 ok kmc's new tactic of ignoring my burns is upsettingly effective 20:29:47 might have to retire 20:29:51 slime molds aren't fungi 20:29:55 yes 20:29:58 but they are awesome 20:30:01 Bike: I didn't realize that ANY fungi reproduced sexually. 20:30:02 yeah 20:30:07 they can design road networks 20:30:07 I thought that was a plants-and-animals thing. 20:30:20 Gregor: let me tell you about horizontal gene transfer!!! 20:30:35 HELP #ESOTERIC BECAME ABOUT BIOLOGY WHEN I WASN'T LOOKING 20:30:44 my influence is insidious and perfect 20:30:54 also you... were looking, this entire time 20:30:57 "Male Osedax are microscopic dwarfs that live as "harems" inside the lumen of the gelatinous tube that surrounds each female. An individual female can house hundreds of these males in her tube." there's a joke here but i can't quite see it 20:31:01 unless you were typing all those burns without reading the screen? 20:31:05 elliott: try to wrap your mind around plant reproduction 20:31:06 yes 20:31:07 that's my tech 20:31:11 like, "well, i bet kmc said something about fungi" 20:31:14 yes 20:31:17 "it's that time of the day" 20:31:20 It is so much more complicated than I thought it was 20:31:21 "better insult him" 20:31:22 i am "next level" like that 20:31:45 Gregor: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mating_in_fungi please it incorporate in sexual escapades 20:31:48 Gregor: most mushrooms produce spores which grow haploid organisms, and when two sexually compatible ones meet, they merge and the cell nuclei actually move around and you end up with cells that have two nuclei (!!) 20:31:56 and then that can produce a fruiting body 20:32:09 is there anything greater than !s in parentheses 20:32:10 imo no 20:32:11 Cool. 20:32:19 > 4 (!) 5 20:32:22 Ambiguous type variable `i0' in the constraint: 20:32:22 (GHC.Arr.Ix i0) arising ... 20:32:23 elliott: want to talk about not-biology 20:32:25 NO BIKE 20:32:30 And us higher mammals just go sticking our penises places. 20:32:30 > (!!) "goats" 3 20:32:32 't' 20:32:33 NO TANEB except maybe taneb 20:32:33 How uncouth. 20:32:36 wow that was terrible for three or four reasons 20:32:44 all I want to talk about these days is dependent types I think 20:32:47 not much else is interesting 20:33:04 Can you explain dependent types to me! 20:33:05 oh i like that onion article re: whoever linked it, i just scrolled up and it's Bike 20:33:07 you should write a really fucking stupid paper about how dependent types are relevant to what you imagine biology is 20:33:17 actually i scrolled up and noticed it was bike before I typed "whoever linked it" 20:33:22 cross-disciplinary work is all the rage 20:33:22 but I had already decided to type that 20:33:23 so I did 20:33:36 Are they anything to do with type dependencies 20:33:38 good to stick to your "whoever linked it"-related guns 20:33:54 when a type and a natural love each other very much.... 20:34:27 Taneb: what is a type dependency 20:34:35 I think I made them up 20:34:51 Some combination of functional dependencies and type families maybe 20:35:01 they don't have to be natural, but you start with the basics and then move up to the kinkiness 20:35:54 Bike: have you fucking learned haskell yet, imo 20:36:06 in... your opinion? 20:36:10 yes 20:36:48 In your opinion have I learnt Haskell 20:36:50 so you're asking, "Have you fucking learned haskell yet, in my opinion?" 20:37:12 in which case i must answer negatively, because I don't think my haskell would ever be good enough for your fuckingn high standards. 20:37:16 stop playing games and answer my question 20:37:21 you cant avoid my judgement 20:37:24 ##php really annoys me for some reason 20:37:30 no i'm seriously confused here 20:37:39 i mean like, i know basic haskell, i read lyah and stuff 20:37:40 no you're not, imo 20:37:45 but is that good enough?? 20:37:53 how many programs have you written in haskell Bike!!! 20:38:15 probably like, one 20:38:28 haha 20:38:39 That's like maybe a twelth of the number of haskell programs I've written 20:38:52 i am a month to taneb's year 20:39:01 is that "good enough" for "elliott""?" 20:39:28 a moth to Taneb's flame 20:39:41 anyway write some more you asshole 20:39:42 or like 20:39:49 ask and/or answer haskell questions on stack overflow 20:39:54 something that shows me you're a haskell user 20:39:59 something i can rely on 20:40:04 i don't ask for much 20:40:18 why is this important 20:40:23 i don't even have a stack overflow account? 20:40:36 yeah you already told me you're underachieving, no need to repeat yourself 20:40:59 i'm disappointed in you Bike but i feel that you could get better 20:41:05 underachieving is great, leaves you lots of room to improve 20:41:07 you just need to show me what you're made of 20:41:34 mostly aluminum i think 20:41:48 make that aluminium and haskell 20:41:51 P.R.O.N.T.O. 20:42:08 i heard haskell was made by mathematicians 20:42:08 *aluminum 20:42:09 (please remember only nightly toil oxidates) 20:42:13 and math is the language of the universe 20:42:19 so really aren't we all haskell 20:42:21 i heard you need to shut up and get coding 20:42:27 hey how about write a patch for lens 20:42:28 elliott management techniques 20:42:29 that's a good thing to do 20:42:32 have you read typeclassopedia 20:42:34 yo have to do that 20:43:15 dude it's boring 20:43:30 fuck you 20:43:32 you know what's boring 20:43:32 ThatOtherPerson: I think "aluminum" was originally a typo, just one that caught on in the US 20:43:33 lisp 20:43:39 lisp 20:43:47 literally anything anyone has ever said about lisp 20:43:53 does it hurt Bike 20:43:53 does it sting 20:44:09 generally this works easier if you cry btw 20:44:11 no i mean like 20:44:13 i get moods man 20:44:25 right now i'm in a mood for pre-communist chinese history 20:44:28 how do i use haskell for that 20:44:38 consider the plight of the chinese people who did not even know haskell 20:44:43 strive to not be like them 20:44:46 strive to teach EVERY chinese person haskell 20:44:48 for a better world 20:44:51 step 1. become a haskell expert 20:44:53 BAMMMMM 20:44:59 why is haskell important 20:45:03 why do you care, why do i have to care 20:45:23 because Real Programmers know haskell, duh 20:45:53 i'm not even a programmer i'm just a guy who programs and has been scared the fuck out of the information industry by eerybody in it 20:46:03 :( 20:46:04 Taneb: incorrect 20:46:06 what about us 20:46:12 * kmc hopes he isn't scary 20:46:17 Taneb: "Sir Humphry made a bit of a mess of naming this new element, at first spelling it alumium (this was in 1807) then changing it to aluminum, and finally settling on aluminium in 1812." 20:46:19 Real programmers know all programming languages 20:46:37 i don't mean that you're scary 20:46:41 right now i'm in a mood for pre-communist chinese history 20:46:41 i mean you say "this fucking sucks" a lot 20:46:48 that's qute a big category Bike 20:46:52 it is 20:46:59 Taneb: "Why are there two names? Sir Humphry Davy proposed the name aluminum, back before the element was officially discovered. However, the name 'aluminium' was adopted to conform with the -ium names of most other elements. In 1925, the American Chemical Society decided to go back to the original aluminum" 20:47:00 well, i guess mostly the qing dynasty 20:47:01 and so on 20:47:07 "only a few centuries" 20:47:09 i complain about the culture of the loudest / most obnoxious parts of the industry 20:47:18 but i've actually had pretty good luck avoiding that in my personal employment history 20:47:19 well yeah 20:47:25 it can be done 20:47:26 i mean fiora has a cool job too 20:47:28 Bike: i care because you do 20:47:32 if you are good enough to be picky about where you work 20:47:32 but those loud parts man, those loud parts 20:47:34 yeah 20:47:35 i... don't care? 20:47:43 Bike: can't get in the way of my ref sry 20:47:48 anyway you care because i told you to 20:47:57 fight the power 20:48:00 i felt bad working at a web startup just by association with the web startup industry 20:48:02 snobol 5 ever 20:48:05 the power uses c Bike 20:48:19 there can be multiple powers! 20:48:38 you don't have any power 20:48:53 kraftwerk 20:49:01 exactly 20:49:05 that's why i'm fighting the powers 20:49:10 how does it feel to be The Man elliott 20:49:20 imo you're The Bike 20:49:58 What if all this time Bike has actually been my bike in my garage? 20:50:09 And somehow he connected to my wifi? 20:50:36 i'm a wardriver 20:50:37 warbiker? 20:50:45 i used to be a warschoolbusrider 20:50:53 metal 20:51:04 Or maybe all the bikes in the world are merely manifestations of the being which we call Bike 20:51:19 with my sharp zaurus and my Compact Flash wifi card 20:53:32 maybe there is only one Bike travelling forward and backward through time 20:53:51 the one-bike universe theory 20:54:14 Phantom__Hoover: http://25.media.tumblr.com/423658df012fb92564d411284b349e6e/tumblr_mlz3fgpiIS1rdbszlo1_1280.jpg 20:54:28 kmc, what was the antenna quality on that? 20:55:21 dunno 20:55:25 'some' 20:55:27 kmc, I would imagine a modern phone with 11n would work better, it could cover more frequencies for a start. 20:55:34 yeah 20:55:43 this was 802.11b only 20:56:00 g was fancy high tech at this point in time 20:56:04 did you have to reconnect like everyfive seconds 20:56:15 kmc, Btw, I noticed that several quite recent devices that *can* do more than 54 mbps (thus more than 11g) can still not detect my 5 GHz network. 20:56:17 strange 20:56:33 yeah I think there's 2.4 GHZ-only n hardware 20:56:35 is supporting the 5 GHz band optional or something? 20:56:38 -!- oklopol has joined. 20:56:43 kmc, that is pretty stupid 20:56:49 it's cheaper I guess? 20:56:55 my laptop and my phone can both do 5 GHz though 20:59:02 hm, I'm so used to 60 Hz on my phone now that I just can't stand old pre-4.1 Android devices any more. 20:59:32 Had to deal with one yesterday, it was a nightmare. 21:00:13 what, refresh rate? 21:00:36 yes 21:01:09 Bike, Android 4.1 and later uses vsync at 60 Hz throughout the system, including for input reading 21:01:27 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 21:01:28 this makes the experience much more smooth. 21:01:47 After getting used to it, dealing with devices from before that time is just annoying 21:02:13 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 21:02:46 Oh, dropbox added two step auth now 21:02:48 that is new 21:02:57 You can even use the google app for it 21:04:52 -!- augur has joined. 21:06:58 Bike: have I ever ridden you before? 21:07:08 do you expect me to answer that in public 21:07:29 No 21:09:43 My plans to finally watch Supernatural have been scuppered by slow internet speeds 21:10:50 what kind of euphemisms do bikes use for sex 21:11:38 bikes don't have sex.......... 21:11:58 how do you reproduce 21:12:12 how do you think? we get built obviously 21:12:41 It's kind of like in that movie 21:15:43 Good night! 21:16:04 Night, ThatOtherPerson 21:16:07 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:22:40 -!- hagb4rd2 has joined. 21:23:58 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:27:01 Is there a way to sort of transfer a half-finished torrent to another computer 21:27:01 Like, "this computer should do this torrent for a bit" 21:27:09 "and then send everything back to that computer when that computer gets turned on again in the morning" 21:30:54 rtorrent does a hash check on files, then continues where it was left off, so you could do that, yes. 21:31:17 boily: could I do it via ssh with transmission-bt? 21:35:22 eeeeh, maybe. haven't used transmission that much, and always locally. 21:37:18 Taneb, why not let it run on one computer? 21:37:30 Vorpal: I have to turn this computer off in a bit 21:37:53 Taneb, presumably you would be able to sync using bittorrent though, that is what the protocol is for 21:38:06 a giant distributed file syncing protocol. 21:38:26 hm, I think there are some torrent clients that will pull chunks preferentially from local network machines 21:38:38 so maybe it would be good enough to just run the client on both machines simultaneously :) 21:38:43 ktorrent can do that iirc 21:40:05 I personally use rtorrent these days though 21:41:09 arrrrrrrrrtorrent 21:44:45 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 21:46:18 -!- hagb4rd2 has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:47:57 I have a really cool system for turning my computer on remotely 21:48:20 It's called "message my brother on Facebook and ask him nicely" 21:51:01 positively domotic. 22:01:30 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:02:07 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 22:06:02 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 22:57:43 -!- boily has quit (Quit: Poulet!). 23:00:44 ##php failed to provide any epic lulz (i think that's what the kids call it these days) 23:06:06 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 23:10:59 pity 23:11:09 what if you troll them 23:11:27 ask them if they have a problem, I hear this is an effective way to troll anybody!!! 23:12:39 elliott, do you have any problems 23:12:52 Phantom___Hoover: are you mad 23:13:27 i am already annoyed 23:13:43 sounds like you have a problem 23:13:58 ?detartsurf uoy era 23:13:58 Unknown command, try @list 23:16:07 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 23:16:46 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 23:16:46 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 23:17:11 now elliott has two problems 23:19:30 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 23:24:52 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 23:29:25 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 23:30:19 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 23:53:34 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 2013-05-03: 16:39:20 -!- esowiki has joined. 16:39:21 -!- glogbot has joined. 16:39:22 -!- HackEgo has joined. 16:39:23 -!- hkt has joined. 16:39:24 -!- esowiki has joined. 16:39:25 -!- esowiki has joined. 16:39:28 although apparently KCl doesn't actually taste like salt so the original point is kind of moot 16:39:40 hkt: are you a bot 16:39:41 Bike: no, salt's can't be molecules, as they are inorganic. their formulæs describe the proportions of the atoms in thei crystalline structure. 16:39:48 i mean, you can't just drink chlorine ions 16:39:49 no I'm not 16:39:58 `welcome hkt 16:40:03 prove it! cheap ai can do that! 16:40:08 hkt: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 16:40:16 s/salt's/salts/ 16:40:30 yeah but at the same time the chlorine ions and sodium ions are kind of independent 16:40:32 hkt: what is your opinion on brainfuck derivatives? 16:40:42 kind of 16:40:43 A bit boring in my opinion 16:40:48 ah, one of us 16:40:50 also: is may second lost to time 16:40:51 -!- glogbackup has joined. 16:40:52 ™ 16:40:52 in the logs 16:40:59 did gregor just bring in both glogbot and glogbackup 16:41:04 i've never felt more watched 16:41:05 we may never know what truly occured that day 16:41:06 ah! a real someone if flesh and blood and other structural elements! 16:41:13 Bike: do you want to know about our secret older logs 16:41:19 that's discriminatory boily 16:41:22 -!- Gregor has joined. 16:41:24 Bike: http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D bam 16:41:24 elliott: !!!!! 16:41:40 oh the actual glogbot logs 16:41:41 -!- Gregor has changed nick to Guest66566. 16:41:47 ?? 16:41:49 that's clog's logs. 16:41:51 or... no 16:41:54 I like low level languages though 16:41:55 whatever too many fuckin bots. 16:42:03 in fact glogbot's first N years of logging up to like... 2011? 2012? are just the clog logs 16:42:03 ANYWAY: may 2's log starts with ME. good log 16:42:07 no, clog is the old logs 16:42:12 Bike: I mentioned structural elements. that includes mechanical apparatuses that occasionally accompany things made of liquids, such as human beings. 16:42:14 we don't use them any more because they're kind of shit 16:42:16 s/glogbot/the codu log site/ 16:42:19 apparati!!! 16:42:20 elliott, remember herobrine! 16:42:24 apparatopodes 16:42:42 apparati... 16:42:45 Phantom__Hoover: He's still there 16:42:46 I don't care about pluralseses. 16:42:46 apparatæ 16:42:54 i liked formulæs btw 16:42:57 that was a good plural 16:43:03 also salt's 16:43:04 Notch and Jeb tried to get rid of him, but it didn't work 16:43:24 the secret: formula is already the plural, the singular is formulum 16:43:28 I think everyone who says "formulae" should be forced to decline it as though they were speaking latin 16:43:40 formulai 16:43:49 -!- Guest66566 has changed nick to Gregor. 16:43:51 Taneb: It is easier to say than formulas 16:44:06 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v Gregor. 16:44:07 formuLIE 16:44:07 "I don't know the definition of these formularum!" 16:44:26 Bike: Oooooooooooooooh 16:44:36 ooh 16:44:49 Gregor: which Coyote? 16:45:00 Wile E. 16:45:03 And people who insist that formulae is correct when it's in the accusative... 16:45:04 Ugh 16:45:05 oh 16:46:07 maybe formula is a mass noun 16:46:39 formularem 16:46:40 (I like "formulas", and latin) 16:46:42 that is final 16:46:44 i just can't handle all this formula! 16:47:23 Formuloodleoodleoodle-eeeeeeeee 16:48:00 * boily tries to grab his metasepia in order to apply percussive maintenance on Gregor, but can't seem to find it... 16:48:08 Taneb: Plēbēs 16:49:05 NihilistDandy: one of my Latin teachers also taught Andrew Mitchell 16:49:14 Of "plebgate" (ugh) fame 16:49:48 I know nothing about that except that Google News is blowing up about the sale of his bike 16:49:50 is this where he learnt the term 16:49:51 Taneb: where did you study latin? 16:49:58 also why are people always ragging on the -gate suffix 16:49:59 it's great 16:50:15 Watergategate 16:50:20 NihilistDandy: hello, good afternoon or whatever timeframe you are in. I fear I don't have your approximate geographical coordinates and you body weigh with me. could you please provide these vital informations? 16:50:30 s/you/your/ 16:50:31 High school 16:50:40 I am immensely confused 16:50:42 In Hexham 16:50:43 Phantom__Hoover: because it forces Watergategate 16:50:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vB9JgxhXW5w `-` 16:51:41 I am the author of the best esolang named after a mitchell and webb sketch 16:51:44 there must've been a scandal involving water by now 16:52:10 * quintopia sells Bike 16:52:32 nooooo. 16:52:46 Phantom__Hoover: didn't coca cola do that a few years ago 16:52:52 maybe i'll get on google news now 16:52:57 Taneb: NihilistDandy is another hexamite? 16:53:14 boily: I hope not 16:53:14 And highly doubt it 16:53:17 I believe he's been around longer than I have 16:53:22 `pastelogs NihilistDandy 16:53:47 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.20213 16:54:11 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 16:54:38 Oh, god, 2 years on Tuesday 16:54:39 is thelliot more likely to mean 'thanks elliott' or 'the hell, elliott?' 16:54:53 `pastelogs boily 16:55:00 `pastelogs Taneb 16:55:07 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.14217 16:55:20 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21878 16:55:29 what the hell have I been doing with my life. 2006. I wasn't even in university by then! 16:56:18 Lurking a lot, it seems 16:56:21 Huh 16:56:23 I've been around longer than NihilistDandy 16:56:27 In your face, ND 16:56:50 `pastelogs Taneb 16:56:53 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 16:57:02 boily: how old you 16:57:02 ThatOtherPerson: I already did that one 16:57:03 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.9323 16:57:12 oh 16:57:22 quintopia: 24. 16:57:54 `pastelogs ThatOtherPerson 16:58:16 Taneb: Am I bovvered? 16:58:19 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.2596 16:58:26 boily: oh thats not too bad 16:58:42 what is a sampa table, and how the fungot did I have one if I don't even know what it is. 16:58:42 boily: shall we get back to the present? he's been known. we reptites will rule the world in a mere door that keeps us bound, hand, foot...and tongue kid? ...oh, it's you, isn't this morbid? the great adventurer toma levine rests in a grave to the north. it's a great place for a picnic! heard that magus's statue before my shift. i hate! ayla not like... 16:59:10 by some freak coincidence taneb is elliott's next door neighbor <-- is this true 16:59:12 pr.sm.bly http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speech_Assessment_Methods_Phonetic_Alphabet 16:59:13 ^style 16:59:13 Available: agora alice c64 ct* darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube 16:59:18 ThatOtherPerson: we live in the same town of ~11k 16:59:19 so sure 16:59:20 what is ct 16:59:27 category theory 16:59:29 ThatOtherPerson: it's not quite that extreme 16:59:36 So no, it's not trye 16:59:38 "(as this set is naturally endowed with a structure of field, the expression field of the real numbers is more frequently used than set of all real numbers)." - wikipedia on real numbers 16:59:40 or true 16:59:47 is this true? 16:59:53 Taneb: elliott: Have you ever met each other in person? 17:00:01 We live in the same small town, have the same interests, are within a year of eachother in age, and have NEVER EVER MET 17:00:29 what is ct halp 17:00:40 quintopia: cheese toasties 17:00:59 ThatOtherPerson: no 17:00:59 nooodl: I suppose that's fairly true 17:01:26 nooodl: Most people who care about the reals treat them as a field 17:01:37 i don't know what body of text cheese toasties is 17:01:41 Taneb: elliott: Your mission is to meet, face to face, once by next Friday. 17:01:50 ThatOtherPerson: that will destroy the universe 17:02:04 Preferably literally face to face 17:02:21 Maybe it won't. You'll never find out if you don't try. FOR SCIENCE. 17:02:31 For fanfic! 17:03:19 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 17:04:08 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 17:05:12 https://pypi.python.org/pypi/CppHeaderParser/ is this any good? (assuming I only what to get class and function names from a file) 17:06:02 I was thinking libclang first... but that turned out to be too good 17:08:15 NihilistDandy: are you writing #esoteric slash 17:08:30 Taneb: elliott: meet in Hexham Parks tomorrow at 3:00 PM 17:08:38 Wrote, writing, will write.~ 17:08:42 ThatOtherPerson: nah 17:08:55 For a start I don't think there's such a thing as Hexham Parks 17:09:05 Taneb: http://www.northumberland.gov.uk/default.aspx?page=9109 17:09:32 You live in that town and you don't know about the park there? 17:09:33 And don't even pretend #esoteric-slash wouldn't become its own channel in a heartbeat 17:09:39 Those are four different parks 17:09:55 Which sort of touch 17:10:09 And I don't know where Cowgarth is 17:10:36 Huh 17:10:38 It's that bit 17:11:32 Anyway, I'll brb 17:11:33 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 17:12:56 Bike: what is a memo and how did you send me one 17:14:18 /ms help 17:14:30 whoa 17:14:59 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 17:16:04 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 17:20:43 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 17:26:27 -!- hkt has quit (Quit: Page closed). 17:26:31 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com). 17:32:05 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:46:18 -!- Snowyowl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:48:46 -!- Taneb has joined. 17:49:31 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 17:52:31 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:53:39 Hi again 17:54:00 faxes are evil. a memorandum is a thinner version of a clay tablet, with undecipherable glyphs. I don't want to appear in any #esoteric slashes unless I get to wear an orange shirt. 17:54:29 -!- heroux has joined. 18:15:11 -!- sirdancealo2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:15:38 -!- Jafet has joined. 18:23:07 * ThatOtherPerson whacks himself for forgetting to make a class inherit another class 18:24:59 NihilistDandy: send me a copy of some elliott/Phantom_Hoover at some point 18:25:07 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:26:37 ? 18:26:52 ;) 18:27:30 help 18:27:52 Taneb: you scared one of the many Phantoms away! 18:28:05 actually I think you scared the last of them away 18:28:24 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 18:35:28 * boily dons his ritual gown, and does the phantasmal invocation dance 18:37:44 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:39:27 ah! it worked! 18:39:29 boily: wat how did you do that 18:39:38 boily: are you Phantom__Hoover? 18:40:25 ThatOtherPerson: despite my Canadian status, I am solid, therefore I'm no spectre, shadow, phantom or floating thing with a white drape on its head. 18:40:51 `pastelogs FireFly 18:41:01 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18631 18:41:19 well.. 18:41:27 -!- Tritonio has joined. 18:41:41 that actually worked better than I thought it would 18:42:14 Urgh 18:44:16 -!- hr_ has joined. 18:46:41 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 18:48:30 -!- Bike has joined. 18:49:18 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 18:56:01 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 19:00:06 * ThatOtherPerson wonders if he should make the number of people in his simulation something smaller than 6200000 19:00:39 Smaller? That's not even one one-thousandth of the human population! 19:02:05 * ThatOtherPerson checks to see what happens when he increases the number of people in his simulation to 78000000000 19:03:22 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 19:04:55 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 19:07:23 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 19:13:45 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 19:13:57 I had to restart 19:14:50 What are you simulating? 19:16:49 An economy, hopefully, at some point 19:17:52 i hear those are complicated 19:18:48 Hopefully an EXTREMELY SIMPLIFIED model of an economy 19:19:01 basic enough for a class presentation 19:21:09 “you have two simulated cows...” 19:21:26 Spherical cows, for simplicity 19:21:33 make it 100% bitcoin based 19:21:57 spherical bitcows 19:22:18 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:22:51 what is a good vnc client that runs under X11? 19:23:40 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 19:24:31 Vorpal: vinagre. 19:25:27 boily, gnome? 19:25:28 hrrm 19:25:35 what if you set up a few bots that just mined bitcoins and traded the with each other in a fashion resembling large business transactions in the real world 19:25:57 Bike, what about it? 19:25:58 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 19:26:16 what about it 19:26:19 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 19:26:32 I am an idiot 19:26:49 I forgot to change the number of people 19:26:53 And had to restart again 19:27:18 Vorpal: I remember I found a good one once and wrote down the name somewhere as a note-to-self 19:27:29 unfortunately, I don't know where the note is 19:27:36 well vinagre seems to work 19:27:48 though it looks kind of broken style-wise in xfce 19:28:03 does that involve restarting your computer 19:29:02 Yes? 19:34:00 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:35:22 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 19:58:06 Why do you have to restart your computer to restart the simulation? 19:58:27 -!- Yonkie has joined. 19:58:54 AnotherTest: he simulates his simulation in the kernel boot process, probably. 19:59:15 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 19:59:26 Heh, I wasn't restarting the simulation 19:59:45 I just had one of the variables so high that the computer froze whenever I ran it 19:59:51 AnotherTest: ^ 20:00:45 `welcome Yonkie 20:00:47 Yonkie: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 20:01:52 hmm, how did I end up here? I don't seem to remember 20:01:59 what about running the simulation on a remote server 20:02:20 or what about running it on another computer 20:02:31 or what about running it on your local supercomputer? 20:03:15 I didn't really want there to be 78,000,000,000 people in the simulation; I just did that on a whim 20:03:23 (Thanks to Gregor) 20:03:25 I have a spare raspberry at home. think it can count as a local (very local) supercomputer? 20:03:44 is a yonkie like a honky or what 20:03:49 And then I accidentally ran it again without changing that variable 20:05:47 -!- heroux has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:08:40 this honky grandma be trippin'! 20:09:39 -!- heroux has joined. 20:09:40 have fun 20:10:30 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 20:10:53 or have phun, I always forgot how it's spelled correctly 20:11:55 https://images.asc.ohio-state.edu/is/image/csuriproject/2/20308688-9db3-4380-bf1e-e02e83fd0180.tif/?size=450,450&fmt=png Art™ 20:13:14 Putting the high in high art 20:16:04 -!- constant has changed nick to trout. 20:18:07 control in the spleen? how greek 20:25:54 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 20:33:49 weird. I have hoopl 3.9, which seems to not exist yet. 20:34:26 Time travel! 20:41:39 ThatOtherPerson: I know I asked a thousand times already but can I see your ludum dare entry? 20:42:44 Koen_: It's got a bunch of bugs D: http://www.ludumdare.com/compo/ludum-dare-26/?action=preview&uid=18411 20:42:45 -!- ineiros has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 20:42:48 thank you 20:43:16 you're welcome 20:43:28 -!- martin__ has joined. 20:44:01 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 20:50:13 -!- ineiros has joined. 20:51:52 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:06:38 kmc, just reading that http://mainisusuallyafunction.blogspot.se/2011/11/self-modifying-code-for-debug-tracing.html (it was you who wrote that right?) "... but our code is terribly x86-specific anyway, so we'll hardcode the page size of 4096 bytes" <-- what about huge pages 21:06:55 I seem to remember there being a kernel option that automatically tries to make use of hugepages 21:09:12 automatically created hugepages should be split automatically as well 21:09:28 hm probably 21:09:35 what is a huge page? 48’ × 36’? 21:09:57 boily, very funny 21:10:17 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 21:10:29 boily, did you try google: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Page_(computer_memory)#Huge_pages 21:11:18 Vorpal: it's Friday late afternoon. my brain has went past the liquid state and deep into the pond-with-decorative-plants state. 21:11:28 Vorpal: nah. too logical. 21:13:12 Who measures pages in inches anyway? 21:13:16 measure* 21:13:41 uhm, us, and our southern neighbours. 21:13:50 FireFly, good point 21:14:02 boily, that is a minority though 21:14:06 us and us 21:14:14 hmm, wasn't that in feet though? 21:14:25 yeah. got mixed up with my keyboard shortcuts. 21:14:48 should have been ” instead of ’. still kinda huge for a page, even so. 21:15:22 Vorpal: yeah, transparent huge pages should get split automatically 21:15:36 they wouldn't be very transparent otherwise 21:15:39 5.0% 21:15:51 when i mmap an explicit huge page mapping with MAP_HUGETLB and then mprotect() an offset within that, I do get EINVAL 21:16:06 i presume the same thing would happen with hugetlbfs 21:16:14 probably 21:16:31 but those are very untransparent huge pages? (and what is "tlb" doing in those names?) 21:16:53 a huge tlb sounds like something you would put lots of small pages in 21:17:04 Those are incredibly untransparent huge pages. 21:17:06 oh funny, the read-write support for ubuntu live cds/live usb has a space leak. 21:17:35 Each boot it will create a file in /tmp in the read-write partition image file, before mounting tmpfs on /tmp. It doesn't remove those files. 21:18:14 actually a directory with a couple of files 21:18:45 Linux seems to use the terms "TLB" and "page mapping" somewhat interchangeably 21:18:46 sigh 21:18:58 Isn't the TLB rather... different? 21:19:03 yeah it is 21:19:13 TLB is the cache for page mappings 21:19:19 Like, I could've sworn the TLB was basically a cache for the page table. 21:19:25 pikhq, correct 21:20:37 TLB is a pretty weird name for a cache too 21:20:59 although on some architectures, the TLB is the only mapping recognized by the hardware 21:21:38 with such a 'soft-fill TLB' any TLB miss is a trap to the OS 21:21:45 did they invent the TLB before caches were a thing? 21:21:55 and the OS can walk page tables stored in whatever format it likes 21:22:01 olsner: I wouldn't be surprised. virtual memory is pretty old 21:22:46 PPC i think has a weird compromise with a true TLB and a hash-table extended TLB that lives in main memory, but not an architecture-defined page table format 21:22:56 also it has segmentation 21:23:01 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 21:23:02 but I don't know much about PPC systems programming 21:24:00 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 21:28:21 on VAX, a quarter of the virtual memory is "Reserved for Digital" 21:29:07 heh, yeah 21:29:16 if I make a computer I'm going to reserve a bunch of virtual memory for myself too 21:29:29 on i386 Linux a quarter of the virtual memory is reserved for the Linux kernel 21:29:40 and on x86_64 a full /half/ of the virtual memory!! 21:29:47 D: 21:30:21 kmc: note, on VAX that's not for the operating system, the operating system has a different quarter of virtual memory 21:30:25 this one is just for digital 21:30:27 heh 21:30:30 what did they use it for 21:30:40 Digital, of course 21:30:43 it's unused according to wikipedia 21:32:43 lololol 21:32:52 what's the pointer size on VAX? 21:33:21 even on machines with little physical memory, it would be useful to memory map large files 21:33:31 32 bit it looks like. 21:33:32 and to space out thread stacks, and stuff like that 21:34:08 This at a time when 4 gigs was a lot. 21:34:22 i think memory mapped files would be more popular if not for people staying on 32 bit architectures forever 21:34:34 which is a shame because they save a lot of work for the applications programmer 21:34:38 Yes. It's really quite convenient. 21:34:54 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:35:13 at least we have shared executables and libraries 21:35:16 Particularly for certain screwier file formats, like ZIP. 21:35:21 i can't help that i have a shitty 32bit computer ok 21:35:40 (where you need to seek to the end of the file and start scanning for the footer header.) 21:35:50 Bike: How old is said computer? 21:36:07 I think I got it in like 2009. 21:36:17 Wait, no, later, more like 2011 21:36:23 they still made 32-bit computers in 2009?? 21:36:35 Atom and ARM systems are still 32 bit 21:36:36 olsner: Technically they still make 486s today. 21:36:38 ¬_¬ 21:36:41 it's an atom netbook. 21:36:57 kmc: *Most* Atom systems are 64-bit now. 21:37:01 oh, really 21:37:05 did not know 21:37:26 Though when he bought that, it was only a single model of Atom that was 64-bit, so fair enough. 21:37:44 the convenience I was thinking of is mainly that you can map a huge file, and the OS will keep as much of it as possible in physical memory, with intelligent replacement algorithms, and this caching is shared between processes, without the app needing to do anything 21:37:55 also i pretty much just bought the cheapest thing i could find. 21:39:19 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813186224 21:39:25 more evidence that bikeologists = dum 21:40:00 That sucker is 64-bit. 21:40:00 "Of the 512 million bytes which can be addressed, up to 2 million bytes may be connected" 21:40:07 (VAX) 21:40:13 Yeah, because I need a real high powered computer to get insulted on IRC. 21:40:23 rhymes that blister like mersenne twister 21:40:29 That's not exactly high powered. 21:40:39 That's a cheap Atom board. 21:41:57 sarcasm is wrt elliott, who is a huge jerkface, unlike yourself 21:42:41 Bike: i am the best jerkface though, imo 21:42:51 imo no 21:42:58 imo, iyo yes 21:43:08 Bike: are you calling me a jerkface 21:43:18 shachaf: imo iyo imo yes 21:43:53 oh, elliott is making ys again 21:44:00 copy-paste? 21:44:06 ib'so 21:44:08 olsner: Another keyboard. 21:47:04 elliott: congrats on your ys 21:47:15 Acronyms are a lossy compression format 21:47:21 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 21:47:22 eylliyott 21:47:36 eeeeeeeels 21:48:10 kmc: it's going to sink (geddit) 21:49:06 c'mon work with me here 21:50:12 don't get it 21:51:48 -!- boily has quit (Quit: huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge paaaaaaaaaaaaaages). 21:52:20 oh, neutrinos are written with ν, not v 21:52:29 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:52:36 nutrinos 21:52:49 kmc: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ys, hth 21:53:01 (i only know of it because of the album though, so my joke is morally bankrupt) 21:53:19 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 21:53:32 ys didn't sink, it was flooded 21:53:40 joke failure 21:53:42 fuck you Bike FUCK YOU 21:53:46 get out. out! 21:54:02 -!- Bike has left (":'("). 21:54:48 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:55:01 -!- Bike has joined. 21:55:10 it's so great now that Bike isn't here any more, imo 21:55:39 !!!!! 21:55:50 OOPS 21:56:02 what a faux pas 21:56:44 What happened to zs? 21:57:07 Do you propose people use whys instead of ys 21:57:19 And exes instead of xs 22:06:28 -!- oceanhorse has joined. 22:06:29 James Kalenius 22:06:31 -!- oceanhorse has quit (Client Quit). 22:06:54 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 22:06:56 Can I help you 22:07:27 what 22:07:34 help?? 22:07:48 that's my name. 22:07:57 are you suggesting that makes this make sense 22:08:07 It could, if I make up enough shit. 22:08:14 https://room208.org/wiki/ircbanned/characters/tzetze 22:09:16 stalker desu ka 22:10:51 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:12:27 :'( 22:12:35 i hva the googles 22:13:05 kmc's going to be "a shachaf" when he grows up 22:13:45 shachaf: Why does elliott keep comparing people to you? 22:13:48 it's an shachaf 22:13:58 because shachaf stalker desuuuuuu 22:13:59 hey i've done that like twice in my life 22:14:18 imo, everyone has the right to the opportunity to say things that don't make sense at least twice 22:15:22 I bopped my code on the bimble, but the bimble won't be bopped! 22:15:50 So I have the right to say that again? 22:16:10 no, you have to say something else 22:16:22 huh 22:16:35 ThatOtherPerson: I am the baseline. 22:16:49 The centre of elliott's existence, more or less. He can't help it. 22:17:00 truly, shachaf is the centre of all our existences. 22:17:16 shachaf: does that mean that it's a good thing when elliott called me "a veritable shachaf"? 22:17:20 i truely am 22:17:34 Oh. 22:17:37 No, not a good thing. 22:17:43 XD 22:17:56 Please watch the following video and report on its humor value: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uVp2C8iVQvo 22:18:06 also shachaf is younger than me………… 22:18:26 kmc: uh if you believe the official story sure 22:18:28 im the center of elliott's existence like the devil is the center of christianity's existence?? 22:18:46 i dont really know how christianity works 22:19:15 Bike: this video is six minutes. no. 22:19:24 frack you 22:20:00 xtranormal videos are kinda unwatchable 22:20:19 yeah i have no idea why anybody makes them 22:20:20 everything must be a video 22:21:49 -!- hr_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 22:24:55 -!- martin__ has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 22:31:26 * ThatOtherPerson is not a video 22:31:29 Bike: i prefer to think of it as "rtfming" hth 22:34:24 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 22:36:39 a persistent /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules on a live usb distro has some interesting results. I got eth14 on this thing... (For the single ethernet adapter in *this* computer) 22:36:58 haha 22:37:14 yeah my friend had this bug where the number would increment every time he rebooted 22:37:29 well it doesn't do that here, just when I use it in new computers 22:37:40 how did the increment each reboot thing happen though? 22:38:05 i don't know 22:38:12 hm 22:39:25 I,I /etc/udev/rules.d/71-persistent-ned.rules 22:39:29 it could have even been a hardware bug which reset the mac address 22:39:35 but probably not 22:39:53 kmc, the 70-persistent-cd.rules file is kind of silly too 22:40:21 how so 22:40:54 kmc, Only up to 13 there, think I used this live usb distro in a computer without a CD in the past. 22:41:29 oh, i didn't know about persistent-cd 22:41:47 what about hard drives? i guess you're supposed to use /dev/disk/by-uuid for that 22:41:50 yeah it means that if you have multiple cd drives they will get the same name each time 22:42:18 kmc, mhm. Have fun making that work 22:42:26 at least if you are doing anything interesting 22:42:30 like mdadm, or lvm 22:43:00 (hd2)/dev/disk/by-id/ata-WDC_WD10EUCX-73YZ1Y0_WD-WCC0S0708059 22:43:00 (hd0)/dev/disk/by-id/ata-Hitachi_HDS721010CLA332_JP2930HQ13BPKH 22:43:00 (hd1)/dev/disk/by-id/ata-Hitachi_HDS721010CLA332_JP2930HQ13HAEH 22:43:00 (hd3)/dev/disk/by-id/ata-Corsair_CSSD-F60GB2-A_11106513330004620012 22:43:03 also that is annoying 22:43:28 kmc, see the order there from device.map? The auto-detected grub disk ids were in order of the lines 22:43:34 yeah, that didn't exactly work did it 22:43:51 it is in order of Linux sda,sdb,... 22:44:03 -!- hr_ has joined. 22:44:13 which is as seen very different from the actual grub disk order 22:44:13 oerjan oerjan oerjan 22:45:02 shachaf: hi 22:45:25 holsne -- wait a minute! 22:50:12 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 22:52:40 hi shachaf 22:52:55 did you know that Oakland has been rated as the country's #1 "most exciting" city http://www.movoto.com/blog/top-ten/10-most-exciting-cities/ 22:53:14 oh boy 22:53:19 is epa exciting 22:53:47 well I saw an article about how the media have trouble covering crime in Oakland because while they're out on the street talking about crime, criminals will come up and steal their cameras and equipment 22:54:45 nice 22:55:11 um but there's an accordion store in oakland 22:55:26 a store specifically for accordions? 22:55:33 also it's lacking fast food restaurants which is good because "a McDonald’s on every corner is about as exciting as a shot of warm milk before bed" 22:55:38 "Source: Wikipedia." 22:55:40 i bet a Whole Foods on every corner is fine though 22:55:42 hi HackEgo 22:55:43 fucking bougie scum 22:55:47 `quote 42 22:55:49 42) If I ever made a game where you jabbed bears ... I'd call it jabbear. 22:55:52 what's a bougie 22:56:00 `quote 48 22:56:02 48) yay fire! * Madelon combusts spontaneously. 22:56:05 What was it? 22:56:15 Gregor: How many bass buttons do I need, again? 22:56:23 `quote bass 22:56:24 No output. 22:57:16 maybe kmc should move to oakland 22:57:29 #occupykmc 22:57:48 `pastequotes 22:57:53 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.21447 22:58:07 `run paste quotes 22:58:08 cockupy 22:58:09 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/quotes 23:11:30 -!- mnoqy has joined. 23:24:54 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Quit: hagb4rd). 23:33:12 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 23:40:02 https://twitter.com/googuns_staging 21st century equivalent of a numbers station 23:40:50 Hmm. The ending pattern there makes me curious. 23:41:10 kmc: imo your googuns are insufficiently staged 23:41:13 from Indonesia <-- what could it mean 23:41:29 if the last 3 bytes are ever non-zero it means 24h until total nuclear war 23:41:38 Yeah, that's definitely number station-esque. 23:41:53 i like the odd locations settings 23:42:09 " from Mount Waddington, British Columbia" ????? 23:42:12 it's probably a botnet C&C but who knows 23:42:18 i don't think the locations are accurate. 23:42:19 from Svalbard, Svalbard og Jan Mayen 23:42:22 probably it's stuffing more information in thee. 23:42:23 there. 23:42:27 indonesia's nuclear control botnet 23:42:41 wow they're at five minute intervals. nice. 23:42:43 like i just clicked one of them 23:42:49 and it's in the middle of the ocean 23:43:02 soeone should do an exhaustive study of the low end of twitter and find the interesting ones for me 23:43:20 oh, you're right. noone actually lives in Sakha. 23:44:04 mplayer http://ia700500.us.archive.org/12/items/ird059/tcp_d1_01_the_swedish_rhapsody_irdial.mp3 23:44:34 imo no 23:44:37 omg number stations 23:44:37 kmc: Even as a botnet thing, it's definitely a modern number station. 23:44:42 I love those things. 23:44:45 in college we had big speakers out on the balcony and would blast numbers stations recordings at 2 AM 23:45:24 our neighbors were rich fuckers who had the misfortune to live near a university 23:45:31 Friend of mine was a college radio DJ. She went and aired number station recordings for a couple of her turns on the station. 23:45:40 we also shot fireworks at them... there was definitely a policy of deliberate antagonism 23:45:44 pikhq: nice 23:46:15 "from Svalbard og Jan Mayen, Norway" 23:46:16 imo number stations = aliens 23:46:30 IMO elliott = alien 23:46:34 And Hawaii 23:46:49 Hawai'i isn't alien, it's exotic. 23:47:18 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_6Kp7q5tbA 23:48:16 hmm there is some structure here 23:48:55 Yeah. But then, number stations usually do. 23:48:57 The account was created on 28 July, 2009 23:49:04 http://www.theawl.com/2013/03/spy-twitter-is-weird-twitte 23:49:14 They're generally not *encrypted*, they merely have so little context that inferring the meaning is nontrivial. 23:49:30 i thought they were generally encrypted with one-time pads 23:50:06 Depends on the length of the message. 23:50:16 "Still, I prefer things to be weirder, so I kept looking for the portal to this alleged Weird Twitter and finally realized it was mostly stuff I already followed" i know that feel 23:50:45 The one I know was used for people escaping East Germany (this has been documented) more just gave numbers with a specified meaning out to certain individuals. 23:50:59 how do you know so much about number stations/aliens? are you an alien? 23:51:12 That is, not really *encrypted*, but there's only so much you can get from so little information. 23:51:56 http://s22.theawl.com/awl/up/2013/03/cia-twitter-2.jpg ok this. this is fantastic 23:52:23 ahaha quoting nephi 23:52:29 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 23:57:31 AngularJS is pretty cool 23:57:42 What about it is cool? 23:57:44 But still not as cool as continuations... I know these are orthogonal 23:58:04 Page just matches Javascript object 23:58:34 Incl. promises 2013-05-04: 00:00:39 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 00:02:41 speaking of number stations, http://akas.imdb.com/title/tt1659338/ 00:03:05 damn i was hoping for a film produced for intelligence purposes 00:03:13 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 00:03:44 the trailer implies that number station has a person reading numbers for three days off of a fancy computer screen 00:04:18 rather than one of the rather more convenient-looking automatic contraptions you can get from spending 5 minutes on wikipedia 00:05:31 olsner: Some number stations are some guy reading numbers off a screen though. 00:15:22 What's a number station? 00:15:58 A radio station that broadcasts data probably for intelligence agencies, in the form of a voice reading out numbers. 00:16:38 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_station 00:17:31 If my computer weren't too crappy to click links, I'd click. 00:17:43 roll 00:17:53 As it is, I'm getting significant lag between typing letters and seeing the letters on my screen 00:18:02 And my IRC client is on my local machine 00:18:34 -!- hr_ has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:18:49 -rol-l 00:19:35 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 00:21:11 omg i love number stations 00:22:21 they creep me out imo 00:22:23 i like em tho 00:22:36 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:22:41 in conclusion I give numbers stations 3.5 out of 5 stars 00:23:06 i hear that numbers station film is p. bad 00:23:24 star-based rating is for losers, imo 00:23:40 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 00:23:52 15372949184 00:23:55 610592867391 00:24:00 29512533134 00:24:05 70492868742 00:24:07 3.5 thumbs 00:24:13 15372949184 00:24:14 (out of five thumbs) 00:24:18 3.5 thumbs out of five *displays jar* 00:24:31 mnoqy: this is reminding me of your thumbs comic do you remember it 00:24:35 copumpkin: hi 00:24:38 elliott: yes 00:24:41 29512533134 00:24:54 http://www.rpgnow.com/product_reviews_info.php?products_id=113067&reviews_id=89327 five out of five stars! 00:25:02 in the far future we will decode copumpkin's numbers and they will say "eliot stinks" 00:25:12 101 00:25:13 https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/13786158/misc-finished/diner.png 00:25:14 who's eliot 00:25:18 Bike: a guy whom stinks 00:25:29 whom? ಠ_ಠ 00:25:40 * copumpkin slaps elliott 00:25:55 Bike: elliott's estranged brother. 00:26:03 copumpkin: misusing whom is possibly the best thing 00:26:09 it'd be funny if parents named all their children variations on that name 00:26:12 I don't know whom on earth could have a problem with it 00:26:12 perhaps he's elliott's evil twin 00:26:16 EIGHT SIX SEVEN THREE NINE 00:26:18 EIGHT SIX SEVEN THREE NINE 00:26:25 (elliott is taneb's evil twin) 00:26:27 ♫ merry go round tune ♫ 00:26:28 you forgot the 5 and 0 00:26:32 in italian there's a saying about spitting out numbers 00:26:37 copumpkin: peano's younger brother was called peanso 00:26:43 then peansso, peanssso, ... 00:26:43 kmc, that's an ice cream van tune! 00:26:44 elliott: groan 00:26:55 Phantom___Hoover: are you telling me the ice cream vans are run by the CIA 00:26:57 shiiiiiiiiiiit 00:27:00 http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=106131 00:27:12 kmc, i forget, have you heard of the ice cream wars 00:27:14 Phantom___Hoover: i think the fact that the number station tunes are so reminiscent of that is what makes them so creepy 00:27:19 Phantom___Hoover: yes 00:27:23 in glasgow 00:27:40 it's all fun and games until a family of 5 are burnt to death 00:27:58 copumpkin: suck it math nerds 00:28:00 Phantom___Hoover: and then it's glasgow? 00:28:16 actually it was 6 00:28:35 "The conflicts, in which vendors raided one another's vans and fired shotguns into one another's windscreens, were more violent than might typically be expected between ice-cream salesmen." oh wikipedia 00:28:57 Bike :( 00:29:09 * copumpkin just ordered a pizza for pickup 00:29:10 wow Bike, you're hurting copumpkin's feelings. 00:29:27 suck it!!! 00:29:32 what should I suck? 00:29:40 ICE CREAM 00:30:02 elliott, i was thinking a while ago how weird it would be if you had a really classy numbers station 00:30:32 the tune is played by an orchestra, the numbers are read with powerful emotion, that sort of thing 00:31:10 numbers read out like a bingo announcer 00:31:18 i'm laughing at my own concept 00:33:30 Bingo station. 00:33:42 Get it official, advertise radio bingo. 00:33:58 it could happen 00:34:13 For the old lady gamblers that can't get out of the home. 00:34:31 Of course, use the bingo numbers for your number station. 00:34:47 "B5" "OH SHIT" 00:34:50 old lady gamblers in the abhwehr 00:36:58 * ThatOtherPerson likes ice cream and goes off to ice cream land fornever! 00:36:58 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: ICE CREAM LAND). 00:41:22 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:49:27 it was a huge mistake to join that web startup 00:49:36 i feel like a total failure even though it was never something I really wanted to be doing in the first place 00:49:57 i need to learn how to say 'no' to people 01:03:03 Blargh, Factor's JSON library uses 91 write1 and 93 write1 rather than having the source actually, say, mention [ and ] as such 01:03:07 So much for readability? 01:03:26 lolol 01:03:27 f u, readability. 01:03:40 let f = u 01:04:36 Then again, it's Factor, is Factor meant to be readable? I guess it's usually more readable than J, unless you happen to not recognize a word 01:05:19 Mentioned that in another channel, someone said that tooling makes that situation less painful 01:09:20 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 01:11:48 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:12:35 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 01:14:02 There's something... sublime about this line of code 01:14:17 [ ] [ queue>> ] [ timeout ] tri mailbox-get-timeout 01:15:54 * kmc smokes two joints 01:16:05 'beautiful' 01:16:25 what's it do (also how (also why)) 01:17:08 Passes an object, the queue stored in an object, and .. the result of calling timeout on the object, to mailbox-get-timeout 01:17:11 factor's site is down so i can't check docs. Cool 01:20:05 kmc: left and right? 01:20:19 in the afternoon. 01:20:30 shachaf: ő_ő 01:20:50 does that emoticon indicate two joints for each eye 01:20:54 yes 01:21:47 but is the left eye disjoint from the right eye 01:22:09 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:24:16 http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/606955481/the-gym-0 01:26:20 why 01:28:41 I just paid for something I really don't care about: Reddit Gold 01:28:48 Well, I've wanted to try it, but not particularly badly 01:30:14 is that a bitcoin ghint 01:31:28 I just want to see /r/lobby 01:32:00 what's that 01:32:23 Subreddit for Reddit Gold people 01:32:39 so you got reddit gold so that you could use a reddit for people with reddit gold 01:32:42 https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9c/Heartland.png get high 01:32:49 Bike: don't worry they're all there because of their own merits 01:33:02 Bike: what 01:33:12 The Heartland lay at the centre of the world island, stretching from the Volga to the Yangtze and from the Himalayas to the Arctic. Mackinder's Heartland was the area then ruled by the Russian Empire and after that by the Soviet Union, minus the Kamchatka Peninsula region. 01:33:25 i repeat: what 01:35:14 so crunk 01:35:36 http://25.media.tumblr.com/d9d627e659cb57a8d56a49cc5e4acc87/tumblr_mm8r95MlVO1qb4dbmo1_1280.jpg anyway 01:37:24 Bike: amazing 01:37:54 PLT_SeinfeldToday_ebooks 01:38:33 surely his works on evolution would naturally counter the arguments of God? 01:39:34 Maybe it depend of what arguments. 01:39:39 Maybe. 01:40:21 Should I assume that zizek_ebooks isn't a real person? 01:41:15 no 01:41:23 should i assume that you aren't a real person 01:41:58 I assume anyone matching the glob *_ebooks is not a real person 01:42:06 -!- Sgeo has changed nick to Sgeo_ebooks. 01:42:45 zizek_ebooks is literally zizek's ebook, serialised in twitter form, imo 01:43:12 I don't even know who Zizek is 01:43:20 my condolences 01:47:04 kmc: how was your junction 01:47:16 (a junction is made of two joints. get it??) 01:48:28 * Sgeo_ebooks now has access to /r/lounge 01:48:39 'Now that I have reddit gold, where is this Golden Shower i've been hearing about....' 01:50:53 what is the reddit gold subreddit like Sgeo_ebooks 01:50:58 i've always wanted to know 01:51:11 like what are the posts even about?? 01:51:30 Images of gold stuff 01:51:47 "If we exempted goldmembers from anti-spam measures, spammers would just sign up and unleash a torrent of spam. They might even demand their money back when we finally stopped them, and in our experience, they'll end up getting it despite our protests." 01:51:48 that's perfect 01:52:24 something something capitalism something something downfall of humanity something something sgeo 01:52:42 shachaf: it was lie :'( 01:52:50 kmc: oh no 01:52:51 Sgeo_ebooks: ... 01:53:06 kmc: and why did you stop the lie 01:53:09 * kmc wonders if Sgeo knows what a golden shower is 01:54:07 'Why yes, I did get gold for a recommendation in r/headphones.' (A link to http://cdn.head-fi.org/e/ea/1000x500px-LL-ead4edf4_gold.jpg ) 01:54:17 kmc, yes, and I assume the person who posted that does too 01:54:27 k 01:54:35 are you violating the terms of service by posting this stuff in a public channel!!! 01:54:52 Sgeo is a Maker and the rest of us are Takers 01:55:16 wow Sgeo elliott maked a good point 01:55:58 are you the scum of the earth aka tos violator 01:56:32 -!- madbr has joined. 01:56:41 any of you guys interested in cpu design? 01:56:47 I ... don't know what Reddit policy is about sharing stuff from private subreddits 01:56:52 madbr: I have some interest. 01:56:54 How Zizekian are these CPUs? 01:56:56 madbr: yeah, i don't know much though 01:57:04 There's a text post reminding people about mother's day since some may have ads disabled 01:57:07 is Sgeo going to federal prison for violating the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act? 01:57:40 bike : zizekian? 01:57:54 of or relating to zizek, a slovenian philosopher. 01:58:06 they are not 01:58:52 kmc: i was at maru ichi today!! 01:58:57 "coïncidence" 01:58:59 kmc: I know enough to know that 01:59:03 jumps are evil 01:59:05 Someone was banned from /r/lounge for being annoying 01:59:08 memory loads are evil 01:59:13 memory stores are evil 01:59:26 Posting political stuff, a lot got on the front page 01:59:37 madbr: without memory stores where would you buy memory.............. 01:59:38 ALU instructions are the best instructions 01:59:51 so, madbr's computer is the Z3 02:01:14 On esolang wiki there is something called "Checkout", which does memory differently, and is meant for GPU programming 02:03:11 usually that kind of GPU stuff isn't very good at instruction-to-instruction feedback 02:04:24 The CSS styling of /r/lounge is beautiful 02:06:18 instructions per cycle count has been limited at 4 for so long that it's not funny 02:06:44 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 258 seconds). 02:07:10 (more than 4 on some RISCs but I dunno if those are actually any faster than x86, which does have this limit afaik) 02:08:07 -!- augur has joined. 02:10:30 and limits on numbers of ports mean that we're not likely to get much higher than that 02:13:58 yeah, x86 is limited by... its registers 02:16:54 like, not the registers themselves 02:17:08 but the wires that go into and out of the registers to read and write values 02:24:48 -!- lahwran has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:27:52 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:28:21 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:30:56 woa, the p2 can handle 4 different cache misses at the same time 02:31:03 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:31:06 that's... both fascinating and horrifying 02:33:09 -!- Fiora has joined. 02:33:45 is that weird? 02:40:08 -!- Sgeo_ebooks has changed nick to Sgeo. 02:40:19 Cybertown once had a promotional thing for Pentium 3 owners 02:40:30 I have no idea how they actually checked if you had a P3 02:40:47 You got 'Homebuilder' homes that you could customize 02:41:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentium_III#Controversy_about_privacy_issues 02:41:39 "The Pentium III was the first x86 CPU to include a unique, retrievable, identification number, called PSN (Processor Serial Number). A Pentium III's PSN can be read by software through the CPUID instruction" 02:41:52 but can you do it through javascript 02:41:57 i sort of wonder if we would have the same outcry 10 years later 02:42:09 http://tech.dir.groups.yahoo.com/group/worldbuildersguild/message/4380?o=1&d=-1 02:42:10 privacy is so 90's 02:43:14 Well, Cybertown 3d users had to install a plugin, but the plugin wasn't controlled by Cybertown, and I don't think general Cybertown usage required 3d 02:43:22 Although maybe for that particular thing? 02:43:24 losing privacy to get me better book recs is just so convenient! 02:43:48 I don't know, according to that post it was opened to everyone sometime before or shortly after I became a CT resident 02:44:07 (And yes, there's an option not included: 'long after I became a CT resident') 02:44:20 * Fiora heard something about cpu something 02:44:24 sgeo just how many of these online cyber doofus things have you been in 02:44:43 That I've stayed in or just visited? 02:44:58 Whichever. 02:45:50 hi Fiora 02:46:20 -!- mnoqy has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 02:47:34 Cybertown, Worlds.com, Active Worlds, Adobe Atmosphere, there's one whose name I flat out cannot recall I can't find any hint of it anywhere I miss it, Metaplace, There.com, iCity, IMVU (probably the only one I really dislike), Virtual Planet, an older AW clone, a few other AW universes including one pirated one 02:47:41 I think there's a lot I'm forgetting 02:47:51 Does Metaplace count? It's not 3d 02:48:00 Moove 02:48:25 Muse, although that one was dead by the time I got there 02:48:42 I remember wanting OSMP to do real well 02:48:46 I think that's dead now 02:48:58 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:48:58 oh my Active Worlds 02:49:04 All the nostalgy 02:49:10 -!- oklofok has joined. 02:49:22 Lumpio-, are you referring to my nostalgic tendencies, or have you been there? 02:49:47 s/Virtual Planet/Virtual Paradise/. And add Virtual Planets to the list 02:50:31 Oh, you're referring to how many are AW related I guess 02:50:42 Virtual Paradise is also an AW clone 02:51:00 I used to use it. 02:51:03 Like ages ago. As a kid. 02:51:04 Hmm. There was one called Flatland, I think I found AW because of it, and I found it because of the book 02:51:07 Lumpio-, awesome 02:51:11 You know it still exists, right? 02:51:25 Were you ever a cit? 02:51:47 -!- oklopol has quit (Ping timeout: 255 seconds). 02:51:48 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 02:52:07 Oh yeah, I checked it out a couple of years ago. Trolled everybody with my small fat midged avatar. Customizations yay 02:52:12 Nah, I never paid for it. 02:52:22 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:52:27 `run gccrun 'int name[12],i;for(i=0;i<3;i++){asm("cpuid":"=a"(name[4*i]),"=b"(name[4*i+1]),"=c"(name[4*i+2]),"=d"(name[4*i+3]):"a"(0x80000002+i));}puts((char*)name);' 02:52:36 AMD Opteron(tm) Processor 6128 02:52:50 ._. 02:52:59 Lumpio-, customizability of avs is rather new to AW 02:53:05 yes 02:53:16 -!- mnoqy has joined. 02:53:18 It sure wasn't possible back in $ages_ago 02:54:34 I joined shortly before it locked out tourists for a few months 02:54:54 -!- hagb4rd has joined. 02:57:08 kmc: that's really cool 02:57:15 it's like, an IRC command that makes the bot print its CPUID 02:57:40 yeah i just read about this feature: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CPUID#EAX.3D80000002h.2C80000003h.2C80000004h:_Processor_Brand_String 02:57:51 there's a ton of fun things in there, I think 02:58:06 I remember looking at the amd cpuid specification manual, it's like hundreds of pages long 02:58:18 for... one instruction? 02:58:29 probably some undocumented features in there :) 02:58:46 Bike: it's basically a generic "look up info about the cpu" instruction where the arguments are registers 02:58:56 I mean like, performance counters are probably hundreds of pages too 02:58:59 probably even worse <_> 02:59:14 yeah I should learn how to use those sometime 02:59:34 i mean I've run 'perf' but I want to learn how it works at the instruction set level 02:59:39 yeah I have no idea 02:59:45 they're privileged instructions I think 02:59:51 I think it's kernel drivers using those cpu "model-specific register" things 02:59:54 i could add performance counters to JOS 03:00:00 it's probably completely insane 03:00:25 it's cool that Intel / AMD even have a systems programming manual 03:00:29 instead of just telling Microsoft ;P 03:00:29 Like restarting a machine? 03:00:44 i think restarting is more of a platform thing than a CPU thing 03:00:53 maybe either / both 03:00:56 iirc something about triple-faulting 03:01:06 yeah that is one way to reset the processor 03:01:11 but it won't cleanly reset all of the other hardware 03:01:22 which is why it was used as a quick way for the 286 to get back into real mode 03:02:03 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(0x80000001));}int family=((a>>8)&0xf) + ((a>>20)&0xff);int model=((a>>4)&0xf) + ((a>>12)&0xf0);printf("f:%d m:%d",family,model);' 03:02:07 ​/tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: error: ‘a’ undeclared here (not in a function) \ /tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before string constant \ /tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: error: expected declaration specifiers or ‘...’ before ‘family’ \ /tmp/gccrun.5aE0wjoY/command.c:19: err 03:02:44 I have written a CPUID program similar to that once, in assembly language though, using the DOS DEBUG program. 03:02:51 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(0x80000001));int family=((a>>8)&0xf) + ((a>>20)&0xff);int model=((a>>4)&0xf) + ((a>>12)&0xf0);printf("f:%d m:%d",family,model);' 03:02:54 f:16 m:9 03:03:00 :3 03:03:11 Family Sixteen sounds like a cultist compound thing 03:05:17 SYNTAX: SYNTAX: scan-new-word parse-definition define-syntax ; 03:07:42 Run, gcc, run 03:10:46 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(1));if(edx&0x00800000)puts("MMX ");if(edx&0x02000000)puts("SSE ");if(edx&0x04000000)puts("SSE2 ");if(ecx&0x00000001)puts("SSE3 ");if(ecx&0x00000200)puts("SSSE3 ");if(ecx&0x10000000)puts("AVX "); 03:10:47 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 03:11:06 oh 03:11:22 hypothesis: bash is impossible 03:11:22 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(1));if(d&0x00800000) puts("MMX ");if(d&0x02000000) puts("SSE ");if(d&0x04000000) puts("SSE2 ");if(c&0x00000001) puts("SSE3 ");if(c&0x00000200) puts("SSSE3 ");if(c&0x10000000) puts("AVX "); 03:11:24 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `'' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 03:11:28 wait what @_@ 03:11:31 you forgot the closing ' 03:11:35 ... >_< 03:11:36 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(1));if(d&0x00800000) puts("MMX ");if(d&0x02000000) puts("SSE ");if(d&0x04000000) puts("SSE2 ");if(c&0x00000001) puts("SSE3 ");if(c&0x00000200) puts("SSSE3 ");if(c&0x10000000) puts("AVX ");' 03:11:39 MMX \ SSE \ SSE2 \ SSE3 03:12:22 no avx for youuuuu 03:13:54 `gccrun int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80}; 03:13:58 No output. 03:14:14 help how do i do miuaf programs 03:14:28 `run gccrun 'const int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80};' 03:14:31 No output. 03:15:15 `run echo 'const int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80};' > blah.c; gcc -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c 03:15:19 bash: line 1: 292 Segmentation fault ./blah 03:15:37 is that even a 32 bit machine 03:15:42 `run echo 'const int main[]={0xa20fc031,0xb8535251,0x00000004,0x8943db31,0x000cbae1,0x80cd0000,0xcd40c031,0x80};' > blah.c; gcc -m32 -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c 03:15:46 ​/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc \ /usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/x86_64-linux-gnu/4.4.5/libgcc.a when searching for -lgcc \ /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lgcc \ collect2: ld returned 1 exit status \ bash: ./blah: No such file or directory 03:15:52 I guess it's not. :-( 03:15:56 I thought HackEgo was 32-bit! 03:15:57 Fiora: quick, cpuid magic to see how big pointers are! 03:16:05 Bike: 48 bits hth 03:16:10 !!!!! 03:16:12 `gccrun printf("%u\n",sizeof(void*)); 03:16:15 8 03:16:27 pfft 03:16:30 that has a bunch of extra bits 03:16:39 `run grep 'address size' /proc/cpuinfo 03:16:40 No output. 03:16:45 welp. 03:16:49 `cat /proc/cpuinfo 03:16:50 processor: 0 \ vendor_id: User Mode Linux \ model name: UML \ mode: skas \ host: Linux codu.org 2.6.32-5-xen-amd64 #1 SMP Tue Mar 8 00:01:30 UTC 2011 x86_64 \ bogomips: 1810.43 03:16:58 `paste /proc/cpuinfo 03:17:01 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip//proc/cpuinfo 03:17:06 `run uname -a 03:17:07 Linux umlbox 3.7.0-umlbox #1 Wed Feb 13 23:30:40 UTC 2013 x86_64 GNU/Linux 03:17:09 `paste < /proc/cpuinfo 03:17:11 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/%3C%20/proc/cpuinfo 03:17:12 i;m a genius. 03:17:17 You can't pushl %ecx on amd64? 03:17:23 `run paste < /proc/cpuinfo 03:17:28 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.27444 03:17:31 * kmc has been to this dance before 03:17:58 kind of a shitty dance tbh 03:19:09 Can I at least be happy at never having to touch a line of PHP at work? 03:19:09 no u 03:19:21 no, ,sgeo, you're not allowed to be happy. 03:21:43 Bike: I have no idea if that's in cpuid... I guess it might be 03:22:21 maybe you should consult your ten thousand page manual. 03:23:42 `run gccrun 'int a,b,c,d;asm("cpuid":"=a"(a),"=b"(b),"=c"(c),"=d"(d):"a"(0x80000008));printf("physical address bits: %d",a&0xff);' 03:23:44 physical address bits: 48 03:23:48 yayyyyy 03:23:57 ok i... thought that was a joke. 03:24:03 you win this round, amd 03:24:18 `run file $(which gccrun) 03:24:19 ​/hackenv/bin/gccrun: POSIX shell script text executable 03:24:23 `cat gccrun 03:24:25 cat: gccrun: No such file or directory 03:24:30 `cat bin/gccrun 03:24:31 ​#!/bin/sh \ \ if [ "$#" = 0 ]; then \ echo "usage: $0 [-w wrapper] " >&2 \ exit 1 \ fi \ \ if [ "$1" = -w ]; then \ wrapper="$2" \ shift 2 \ fi \ \ f=$(mktemp -d -t gccrun.XXXXXXXX) || exit 1 \ cat > "$f/command.c" << EOF \ #define _GNU_SOURCE \ #include \ #include \ #include 03:25:02 blurgh 03:26:51 oh, so it's 48 on _64 and 32 on _32 03:27:19 `gccrun const main[] = {0xa20fc031, 0xf4245c89, 0xf8245489, 0xfc244c89, 0x1c0c748, 0x31000000, 0x48c7ffff, 0xf424748d, 0xcc2c748, 0xf000000, 0xc0c74805, 0x3c, 0x050f}; 03:27:21 No output. 03:27:41 `run echo 'const main[] = {0xa20fc031, 0xf4245c89, 0xf8245489, 0xfc244c89, 0x1c0c748, 0x31000000, 0x48c7ffff, 0xf424748d, 0xcc2c748, 0xf000000, 0xc0c74805, 0x3c, 0x050f};' > blah.c; gcc -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c 03:27:43 AuthenticAMD 03:28:20 Hmph. 03:28:46 CyrixInstead 03:29:15 Bike: CPUID Fn8000_0008_EAX Long Mode Address Size Identifiers 03:29:16 7:0 03:29:33 This function returns information about the maximum physical and linear address width (in bits) supported by 03:29:36 the processor. The width reported is the maximum supported in any mode. 03:29:42 (yes I pulled up the manual okay XD) 03:29:52 was it the intel manual or the amd manual 03:31:25 you know i'm a bit disappointed that i don't see the 'main is usually a function' warnings 03:33:04 um the intel one 03:33:05 er 03:33:06 amdfkl 03:33:07 sdf 03:33:09 AMD manual 03:33:21 Bike: does it do that with -Wall? 03:33:29 i don't know 03:33:43 `run echo 'const main[] = {0xa20fc031, 0xf4245c89, 0xf8245489,0xfc244c89, 0x1c0c748, 0x31000000, 0x48c7ffff, 0xf424748d,0xcc2c748, 0xf000000, 0xc0c74805, 0x3c, 0x050f};' > blah.c;gcc -Wall -o blah blah.c; ./blah; rm -f blah blah.c 03:33:45 blah.c:1: warning: type defaults to ‘int’ in declaration of ‘main’ \ blah.c:1: warning: ‘main’ is usually a function \ AuthenticAMD 03:33:51 :D!!! 03:33:57 kmc's blog!! 03:34:08 wooo 03:34:12 free advertising 03:34:20 congratulations kmc you've made it into the gcc trunk! 03:34:22 "the big time" 03:34:59 When is main not a function in C? 03:35:28 Um, I guess if you make main be a pointer to machine code, which I guess is what Fiora's doing 03:35:36 Well, array, apparently there's a difference? 03:35:45 yeah, many differences between arrays and pointers 03:35:57 that was shachaf's 03:36:04 http://mauke.hopto.org/stuff/c/array-pointer.html 03:36:24 https://blogs.oracle.com/ksplice/entry/the_ksplice_pointer_challenge 03:37:05 http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/chist.html has some historical insight 03:37:11 and is generally a v. interesting read 03:37:18 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:38:06 Why doesn't amd64 support push %ecx? 03:38:51 um, I think it should? 03:38:53 was the encoding re-used for smoething else? 03:39:05 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 03:39:25 oh... I guess it doesn't. 03:39:26 oh, it's re-used for push %rcx 03:39:43 yeah, there's no "REX + PUSH" for 32-bit push on 64-bit 03:39:47 huh, I had no idea 03:39:56 I guess I had never had any reason to do it XD 03:40:37 any other use - implicit pointer conversion 03:40:37 Any other use of an array results in a pointer to the first array element (the array "decays" to a pointer). 03:40:45 That.. makes it all make sense 03:40:54 Do you know some thing about Z-machine? 03:41:15 zzo38: I know a few things. 03:41:16 Or I did once. 03:41:28 Hmm, no, I don't know anything useful about Z-machine anymore. 03:41:41 what's the difference between "a pointer to the entire array" and "a pointer to the first element" 03:43:18 type 03:43:22 sizeof 03:44:25 Bike: Did you see that mauke page? 03:44:26 so if there's char[] a, &a is a char[]* and a in "any other context" as defined is a char*? 03:44:32 i'm looking at the mauke page 03:45:05 "char[] a" is a syntax error. 03:45:15 uh, I think a and &a are indistinguishable, i was comparing a to &a[0] 03:45:22 i could have it all wrong tho :/ 03:45:36 it says &a is a pointer to the entire array, but the decaded array is a pointer to the first element. 03:46:40 they're making a Jurassic Park 4?? 03:48:45 Why is cpuid suddenly not working? 03:49:11 -!- madbr has quit (Quit: Radiateur). 03:50:56 CyrixInstead 03:52:38 "Arrays by themselves are nearly useless in C" well alright. 03:53:50 "Bikes by themselves are nearly useless in IRC" 03:54:01 :o! 03:54:45 :ꙮ 03:55:28 Shouldn't it be the other way, since it's an eye? 03:55:31 ꙮo 03:55:42 It's an o. 03:55:49 Made of eyes! 03:55:57 Let's compromise on ꙮa66e 03:55:59 Er. 03:56:05 ꙮꙮ 03:56:15 I'm ok with that. 03:56:16 i blame mosh 03:56:18 i blosh 03:56:28 http://25.media.tumblr.com/ff67367a6dd1d74e55c8a0e1b1432b75/tumblr_mliya4L9ty1rsblalo1_500.png 03:58:02 kmc: What's going on with const main[] = {0x1c89a20f,0x24548924,0x244c8904,0xffc03108,0x48c789c0,0x0cbae689,0x0f000000,0x003cb805,0x050f0000}; ? 03:58:13 some numbers enclosed in curly braces, separated by commas 03:58:16 (You're supposed to be the expert.) 03:58:22 Why isn't the cpuid working? 03:58:58 you didn't set %eax before invoking cpuid 03:59:04 ...Oh. 03:59:18 I deleted that thinking it was leftover from the syscall I was doing before. 03:59:36 theegan 04:07:19 My boss implied that modern browser implies modern computer 04:07:22 :/ 04:07:28 the fool 04:07:41 postmodern browser 04:11:08 -!- conehead has joined. 04:40:47 feel slightly weird helping random people on IRC crack passwords 04:41:23 oh no 04:41:27 what's going on 04:41:33 ##crypto 04:43:01 I am feeling like I'm doing someone's homework -_- 04:43:03 but I'm too nice not to 04:43:15 It's not nice to do people's homework. 04:43:16 my irc experience right there 04:43:21 It makes the world a worse place. 04:43:34 though i usually go for the approach of trying to get them to do their own homework 04:43:45 which takes four times as long and ends with me extraordinarily frustrated, half the time 04:44:06 I approve of helping people figure things out. 04:44:14 Maybe next time they'll be able to figure them out without my help. 04:44:24 wooo the ming allied with me ryukyu and china will take over the world 04:44:44 oh no 04:44:48 what's going on 04:44:50 does the qing dynasty exist 04:44:56 or like... the manchus i guess you'd call them 04:46:16 Fiora: did i drive you out of ##fiora permanently 04:46:23 that would be a shame 04:46:40 Bike: the manchus exist too 04:48:35 ...too? 04:48:39 like there's qing /and/ manchus, or 04:49:10 the2yeah 04:49:15 er, yeah 04:49:15 there are 04:49:51 that seems confusing 04:50:05 i thought the manchus pretty much just "became" the qing, hm 04:50:05 Discussion of Chinese history can be found in #the2yeah 04:50:32 http://i.imgur.com/QAdVr5W.jpg 04:52:37 2yeah? 04:52:41 sorry 04:55:31 Oh right that whole bannerman thing 05:01:41 it was in dream of the red chamber and i was like "buhhhhh history is hard" 05:01:45 kmc: have you seen: http://www.kingtrash.com/ants/index.html 05:06:20 no 05:06:46 wow 05:13:36 "Sgeo: Do you have any conditions I should know about? My brain contains categories, but not one that matches your last input." 05:13:52 I managed to not entirely realize that that was a bot, and not a person trying to poke a bit of fun at me. 05:14:05 Even bots poke fun at you, Sgeo. 05:14:14 eh, i thought that could be a pretentious human 05:24:31 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 05:25:10 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 05:25:10 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 05:27:29 bleh 05:27:51 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 05:28:26 helb? 05:32:10 -!- Sgeo has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 05:36:40 -!- Sgeo has joined. 05:38:32 i should have just fucking kept my mouth shut 05:38:37 i would still have a job 05:38:54 one that I didn't love but it was fine, and I could have kept doing it for 5 more months which would be financially advantageous 05:39:01 :( 05:39:38 instead I believed them when they said they wanted my honest opinion about how things were going 05:39:48 and I guess that was a true statement because they used that information against me 05:40:22 they got rid of me because I was unhappy and kept the guy with "passion" even though he was demonstrably worse at the job on every axis 05:43:39 :-( 05:44:58 Well, job training is easier than passion training 05:47:32 yeah 05:53:19 kmccccc you'll be okay 05:53:35 i know 05:53:37 if they actually wanted you gone, they would have gotten rid of you either way, whether you said something or not 05:53:47 i'm just bitter about wasting my time and energy 05:53:59 I really did work hard and I tried to make it work despite being unhappy 05:54:01 now i feel like a fool 05:55:55 geez. you're not a fool 05:56:19 you've got experience for the future, even if some of it is learning the hard way 05:57:00 yeah 05:57:14 i should stop whining since that's how i got into this problem in the first place 06:03:50 oh well 06:04:11 fuck paul graham and everyone else for making me think that Doing a Web Startup is the ultimate test of a Real Hacker 06:04:32 if it's not clear already, 90% of my complaining about nerd culture is me projecting my own failings and insecurities 06:05:16 whenever you feel bad about projecting just think: "at least i'm not freud" 06:05:45 `addquote whenever you feel bad about projecting just think: "at least i'm not freud" 06:05:49 1028) whenever you feel bad about projecting just think: "at least i'm not freud" 06:05:54 `quote 1027 06:05:56 1027) i would visit elliott but i'm vegetarian 06:06:00 `quote 1026 06:06:02 1026) sometimes i wake up and my name has grown more consonants 06:06:04 `quote 1025 06:06:06 1025) ThatOtherPerson: undefined variable ' annoy'. you can't infer a static semantic for the language 06:06:32 `addquote you'd almost think somalian domain-name management is a bit sloppy 06:06:35 1029) you'd almost think somalian domain-name management is a bit sloppy 06:08:59 logreader quotator 06:09:05 ex-tra-ord-in-air 06:09:22 did you know every tricycle is a bicycle 06:09:27 fungot: are you vegetarian 06:09:27 kmc: but, we are far outnumbered! marle too! ayla have fun! i heard you were to be executed, dear! it was magus who killed off the forest, but you are true heros. the world, tee, hee! it's not the only one thing we need to defeat you, lavos. 06:09:27 tricycles aren't even tricycles 06:09:49 what the deuce 06:10:00 wow, that was a surprisingly namedroppy fungotism 06:10:01 Bike: i see. you know, i really care... a time portal? what in the...! ozzie's stumped! 06:10:10 slash is too i imagine 06:11:59 I give up 06:12:01 someone said something funny 06:12:06 and I tried to addquote it and it didn't work 06:12:14 except apparently the thing doesn't exist 06:12:16 so instead I'll just 06:12:18 `quote 06:12:19 748) 200 and 20 are the same different notations for the same thing 06:12:27 `quote 06:12:27 `quote 06:12:29 141) it's not obvious from quantum mechanics that you can destroy a universe arbitrarily. 06:12:29 419) in the title of the page it says "Well-Typed - The Haskell Consultants" but i want to know who are the haskell conraisins? 06:12:43 is it sad that I know the context to 141 immediately? 06:13:50 i'm guessing it's about quantum bogosort? 06:14:00 yup 06:14:01 `quote 06:14:03 68) [Warrigal] `addquote hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( 06:14:07 `quote 06:14:08 487) They're (according to current plans/rumours) going to release a grand total of approximately 1.1 MeeGo devices; the N9, plus the N950 "developers only" phone, which I'm counting as 0.1 because (even though it is a MeeGo device) it's not going to actually be released. 06:14:26 `delquote 68 06:14:30 ​*poof* [Warrigal] `addquote hahaha, Lawlabee is running windows 'cuz it's pretty awesome. [Lawlabee] Warrigal: :( 06:16:34 `quote 1000 06:16:36 1000) It appears magenta in my computer only because it is programmed to display bold text as magenta. 06:16:51 we have a problem, coppro. 06:17:46 what is the problem? 06:17:56 there aren't enough zzo38 quotes? 06:18:00 `quote `quote 06:18:02 310) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one \ 311) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something \ 407) `quote django 06:18:07 tsk 06:18:12 `quote "1000" 06:18:14 No output. 06:18:19 god dammit. 06:18:21 `pastequotes 06:18:25 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19326 06:18:46 `delquote 310 06:18:50 ​*poof* `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one 06:19:05 anyway 06:19:08 `quote 987 06:19:08 oh wait 06:19:09 987) i'm not actually competent at hacking things ummmm kmc dont u mean `cracking' [tiny glider symbol with "hacker pride" written next to it in silkscreen] [head of a gnu] [tux penguin] [face shoved in toilet] 06:19:10 `revert 06:19:13 Done. 06:19:14 agh 06:19:16 `quote 987 06:19:18 987) `quote 1000 06:19:21 there 06:19:21 hrm 06:19:25 `quote 310 06:19:27 310) `quote django ​352) django is named after a person? thought it would be a giraffe or something thankfully only one 06:19:29 ok good 06:19:52 Bike: why is that a good thing? 06:20:15 it's not it's apocalyptic 06:21:34 is that supposed to be magenta? 06:24:59 Do you like it to be magenta? 06:27:26 a wild zzo38 appears 06:27:40 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I83tKYquJUI 06:29:13 kmc: probably a good start is just not hanging around those people really 06:29:25 which I guess you already kind of do? 06:29:33 well he still needs a job 06:29:42 I meant like personally but 06:29:49 I guess I am a weird person who doesn't really do personal interaction much at work 06:29:51 i dunno 06:29:55 i want to like them but i'm bitter 06:30:04 they're generally good people 06:30:14 i don't think they were really malicious, but we failed to communicate 06:31:01 I don't think you have to paint someone as malicious really 06:31:17 like. I don't think that all the people involved in the whole hackernewswebstartupsiliconvalley mess are bad people, that's really silly 06:37:25 -!- sirdancealo2 has quit (Quit: Ragequit). 06:37:48 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 06:38:36 * ThatOtherPerson hugs kmc 06:39:33 I wish there was something I could do to help :/ 06:40:13 thanks ThatOtherPerson 06:40:21 -!- sirdancealot has joined. 06:41:06 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Client Quit). 06:47:00 -!- sirdancealot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 06:53:00 Why did I say "i would visit elliott but i'm vegetarian", again? 06:53:41 @hug kmc 06:53:42 http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug 07:00:11 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 07:04:57 * hagb4rd sets mode www.rainymood.com + http://magnus.gustavsson.se/pdf/cthulhu.pdf 07:06:29 -!- hagb4rd has changed nick to madb4rd. 07:06:45 IA! IA! 07:06:54 IA KAMPA 07:18:33 Bike: do you know all about bicategories. 07:18:36 the joke is Bikeategories 07:18:44 nope 07:19:23 i nitya to become an expert in them by next week 07:20:38 is that a pun 07:21:20 hare u expecting one? 07:28:11 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:38:31 I wish I could do something to help beyond just random attempts at encouraging words :/ 07:41:58 Fiora: I can provide you with something you can help with! 07:43:24 ...? 07:43:30 I-I meant to kmc, but... 07:45:06 that's ok 07:45:09 we'll take anyone! 07:45:27 yea, dont be shy 07:45:29 Fiora: help file bugs! https://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/nh4/ 07:45:55 altough i love shyness 07:46:01 go on 07:46:47 aw thanks everyone 07:46:49 i will be fine 07:46:54 chews on pencil 07:47:02 great 07:47:09 lights! 07:47:11 action! 07:47:28 kmc: will you move to sf 07:47:36 -!- impomatic has quit (Quit: impomatic). 07:52:01 * Fiora is kind of shy...? but 07:52:14 I don't think I know enough about nethack to like. not die 07:52:25 oh, nethack 07:52:31 I think I know Crawl better... and by better I mean. like. more than nothing 07:52:37 i used to play that before i realized it was awful 07:52:42 nethack yes 07:53:02 -!- ogrom has joined. 07:53:11 Fiora: we need to move http://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Bugs_in_NetHack_4 into the tracker 07:53:34 I don't think #esoteric will let me play Crawl again 07:53:52 is there something bad about crawl? 07:53:56 see https://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~scshunt/nh4/ticket/41 for a template 07:54:19 there are lots of bad things about crawl but most of all NihilistDandy is bad at crawl 07:54:38 I did really well at being bad at crawl 07:54:40 I'm kind of terrible too 07:54:41 am i bad at crawl 07:54:46 shachaf: probably 07:54:47 the answer is yes 07:54:54 like. after a month or two my best run was ~1 rune, I think 07:55:01 Fiora: At Crawl, you mean? 07:55:03 me too 07:55:08 on my best run I was doing rather well but I fell into a teleport trap on elf 5 that literally sent me into the enemy hordes at the end of the level 07:55:35 i crawl terrified through the firt levels like a girl 07:55:40 Fiora: On my best run, all of #esoteric was yelling at me to not be an idiot and being amazed every time I didn't meet with a well-deserved death 07:55:45 XD 07:56:00 I think it was actually my first or second run, for that matter 07:56:09 I loved watching peoples' hilarious-death videos uploaded, though. though I don't think I ever got a good one... 07:56:28 I think I was dancing around a staircase with a hydra or something 07:56:37 I think I usually crawl terrified through the later levels 07:56:43 well. like the first few are okay and then like 07:56:48 one of the horrible evil bosses shows up 07:56:50 and I run 07:56:51 and run 07:56:53 and hide 07:57:04 its like theres no multiplayer 07:57:10 The Wizard of Yendor is horrible. 07:57:13 i could just stay behind your back 07:57:17 Double Trouble... 07:57:23 ? 07:57:24 meh 07:57:31 just death ray him 07:57:38 or smack him a lot 07:58:00 I'm I'm not sure having someone behind my back would be an improvement 07:58:18 not for you. i would use you as a shield 07:58:21 :P 07:58:35 fioratank 07:58:50 me? a shield? 07:58:54 nah, i wouldnt dare 07:58:58 gosh, even in game I play as like the squishiest wizard XD 07:59:01 i <3 fiore 07:59:04 I think I was a draconic sorceress 07:59:06 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 07:59:13 aw 07:59:17 right 07:59:46 coppro: Not when he steals your quest artifact which gives magic resistance. 08:00:47 I think I play as squishy wizards in nearly everything 08:00:57 it's like playing a self-insert except I can't actually shoot fireballs at things 08:01:51 Fiora: Complete the illusion and learn to shoot fireballs 08:02:30 Fireballs are easy. 08:02:43 shachaf: http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/ff356/ZephyrTheLight/Touhou/Spark_lesson.jpg like that? 08:02:56 anyone who ever tried cooking meth knows 08:03:25 how bout a new class? methcook 08:03:26 I don't know how to shoot fireballs. like where do I get a staff 08:03:44 The woods 08:03:49 A rival wizard 08:03:54 Shops 08:04:07 In a conveniently located box 08:04:13 A staff? How does that help? 08:04:21 http://24.media.tumblr.com/8a0b4b292c0cfdd295398e39845f83e3/tumblr_mlxk5lVLsg1raym3wo1_500.gif like that! 08:04:33 it helps to stimulate the mana circulation 08:05:15 end even more 08:05:19 try it now 08:05:35 I don't have one :< 08:06:03 you just haven't earned one yet 08:06:32 Strictly speaking, I think that's a wand 08:10:49 okay okay wands too 08:12:41 -!- Lymia has joined. 08:13:38 u-um... anyways... 08:13:43 I'm not sure I'm very good with a bug tracker 08:14:21 Practice by writing lots of buggy code and submitting it to open source projects who don't have time for your shit 08:14:35 I'm also kind of playing some europa universalis I guess 08:15:13 the last time I submitted an open source bug report+patch they told me the code was terrible and needs to be rewritten so patch rejected or something like that 08:15:20 (um, not my code, the code I was trying to patch) 08:15:35 so I just used it myself ... 08:15:35 lol 08:15:55 I mean they were kind of right but my patch fixed it <.< 08:16:07 (it was a terrible hack but... jdlskldf) 08:16:54 Fiora: Which EU are you playing? 08:17:22 EU3, I haven't played any of the earlier ones 08:17:52 http://i.imgur.com/bGLcLmU.jpg I'm ryukyu :3 08:19:14 Downloading now. Looks like a fun game 08:20:24 do i need all that extensions? 08:20:30 Also, Despotic Monarchy, hehe 08:20:36 would i need them* 08:21:05 NihilistDandy: I still haven't unlocked Noble Republic 08:21:12 I'm a bit farther now, like, 1514ish, but not quite there yet 08:21:29 the east is on a ~40% research penalty, sooo 08:21:45 um.... the expansions? if you want EU3 you should probably get the complete pack, I think. they've updated the mechanics kind of enormously 08:21:56 k 08:21:57 like when I tried divine wind I was like oh gosh what is going on this is a different game 08:22:18 it's kind of a really slow, long, overcomplicated strategy game (like every paradox game), so make sure you like that kind of thing ^^; 08:22:20 Steppe Horde sounds like fun 08:22:41 yeah, I haven't tried one of those yet but they look interesting if a bit scary to play 08:24:49 I'm really bad at EU though really 08:26:21 Playing Papal State sounds badass. I forgot how awesome Catholicism sounds on a mythic level 08:26:43 oh! that reminds me, this tumblr is like the bestest tumblr 08:26:44 http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/ 08:26:56 it's completely hilarious results of various paradox games 08:27:13 like cornwall taking over the UK, scandinavian africa... XD 08:27:55 holland forming china, cornwall and cyprus taking over europe together 08:28:02 quebec africa... XD 08:28:39 Netherlands 08:28:44 Just… everywhere 08:30:16 bike introduced me to it, it's kind of wonderful 08:33:39 Are the historical figures real people, or is it more "here's a guy whose name is a bit French" 08:34:10 ummm I think there's a mode for historical figures vs random figures? 08:34:35 you can also start the game at any point in history (in the game's range, ~1390-1820) and it'll set up the map based on how it was at that point in history (with leaders and so on to match) 08:34:56 Neat 08:35:10 How fast is game time? 08:35:13 however you want basically 08:35:24 Sweet 08:35:25 it has 6 speeds, from paused to the fastest. kind of like simcity 08:36:16 (it's very verymuch not a twitch game) 08:46:10 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:50BMG_size_comparison.JPG "20 x 102 mm round with .50 BMG rounds, golf ball, stick of RAM." 08:48:25 I'm trying to figure out what sort of person owns all of those items 08:48:49 Or, come to think of it, who owns all those things but *not* a ruler 08:50:06 I suppose you've got to own guns if you want to play golf, right? 08:51:23 How else would you dig the holes? 08:52:27 I was thinking more about defending yourself from the... hazards... 08:55:23 Fiora: No results for poland on that tumblr 08:55:42 I thought I remember seeing some wonderful poland ones 08:55:46 http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/post/47960065022 08:55:58 http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/post/46764666711 08:56:15 http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/post/45346853367 or this... xD 08:58:10 Why is there never a giant empire of Finland in that sort of things? 08:58:30 there's some I think! 08:58:35 though I think it's often a united scandinavia 08:58:47 since there's a way to form scandinavia if you unite all the scandinavian territories 08:58:49 That doesn't sound very... "believable"... 08:58:52 (it's a long series of ahistorical things) 08:59:02 "believable worlds" is a joke, I think XD 08:59:35 http://believableworlds.tumblr.com/image/41530555981 09:07:30 -!- Fiora has changed nick to SleepyFifi. 09:17:49 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 09:17:53 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 09:42:46 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 09:55:12 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:59:16 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Page closed). 10:14:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 10:16:30 -!- jix has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 10:16:33 hi Phantom_Hoover 10:16:36 `welcome Phantom_Hoover 10:16:40 Phantom_Hoover: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 10:16:52 `relcome Phantom_Hoover 10:16:56 ​Phantom_Hoover: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 10:17:04 you can't relcome yourself............................................................................................................................................ 10:17:10 s/\./.........................................../g 10:18:20 s/\./.........................................../g while 1 10:19:18 ion ion ion 10:19:22 you can't do that 10:19:28 mnoqy can explain 10:20:23 s/ion/ion ion ion/g while 1 10:20:32 no ion 10:20:34 nion 10:30:48 An ion 10:31:43 `relcome shachaf................................................ 10:31:45 ​shachaf................................................: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 10:32:02 `run echo NihilistDandy | r 10:32:03 bash: r: command not found 10:32:07 `run echo NihilistDandy | rainbow 10:32:09 ​NihilistDandy 10:32:15 That's pretty great 10:33:15 `run echo $'#!/bin/bash\necho "$@"' > bin/e; chmod +x bin/e 10:33:19 No output. 10:44:06 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 10:48:29 -!- sirdancealo2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 10:51:29 `run ? shachaf | rainbow 10:51:31 ​const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451, 10:53:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:54:57 ?????????? 10:54:59 `? shachaf 10:55:01 shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. 10:55:30 `run ? shachaf 10:55:31 const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509 10:55:37 `run ? 10:55:38 const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509 10:55:43 `run ls bin/? 10:55:45 bin/! \ bin/? \ bin/@ \ bin/e \ bin/h \ bin/q \ bin/y 10:55:52 `run cat bin/! 10:55:54 ​#!/bin/sh \ \? "$@" | perl -C7 -pe '$_ = uc' | sed -e s/[.?]/!/g -e 's/!\?$/!/' 10:56:01 Hmm. 10:56:07 `run \? shachaf 10:56:10 shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. 10:56:17 `run grep 1230530576 bin/? 10:56:18 No output. 10:56:25 `run cat bin/\@ 10:56:27 ​#!/usr/bin/perl -w \ $_ = join " ", @ARGV; if (s/^([^ ]*) +([^ ]*) +//) { print "$1: "; exec $2, $_; } 10:57:14 ...I thought the output was a bit weird 10:57:23 `run cat bin/h 10:57:25 ​#!/usr/bin/perl -p \ s/([aeiouy])([bcdfghjklmnpqrstvxz])/$1h$2/ig 10:57:26 but weird output isn't exactly rare when it comes to HackEgo 10:57:26 `run cat bin/q 10:57:27 ​ELF............>.....@.....@.................@.8..@.........@.......@.@.....@.@........................................@......@............................................@.......@................... ..................`.....`.................... .................`.....`............................ 10:57:31 `run cat bin/y 10:57:33 ​ELF...Ht$..>............8.......HHu `q blah 10:57:37 const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509 10:57:51 `q 10:57:52 const int main[]={232,1230520576,3943032963,1852793621,1763734643,1830843502,1533962593,2105228637,826804795,1220607680,2370422665,826805616,252883666,3247000837,1221734733,186936461,738215366,1221459784,2336342065,3526445057,4148693683,818053363,1207981448,3229994495,4282968949,1220607685,2370367113,1208755284,84929065,1237516105,1225048451,191509 10:58:01 `run q | wc -c 10:58:02 412 10:58:03 `run q blah | wc -c 10:58:05 412 10:58:05 `run yes 10:58:06 y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y \ y 10:58:11 What's q? 10:58:20 `run find -name 'q.c' 10:58:22 No output. 10:58:26 A quine? how quaint 10:58:32 Oh, right. 10:58:34 Now I remember. 11:00:18 `run \? shachaf | rainbow 11:00:20 ​shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends. 11:00:27 Much better 11:00:48 `? FireFly 11:00:49 FireFly? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 11:00:53 ????????????????????????????????? 11:01:28 Feel free to add something 11:06:16 -!- sirdancealo2 has joined. 11:12:38 kmc: do you know anything about system76.com 11:13:32 <[mbm]> isn't that the old propaganda site? 11:14:41 <[mbm]> nm, thinking system12.com 11:15:53 -!- nooodl has joined. 11:19:07 Wikipedia definitely made propaganda sound cooler than it appears to be 11:19:56 <[mbm]> yep 11:20:19 <[mbm]> the guy that ran the site was pretty much a community troll 11:20:47 What kind of site is this? 11:20:48 :p 11:21:00 <[mbm]> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Propaganda_(desktop_backgrounds) 11:23:39 That slashdot comment is almost gold 11:24:18 But the air of defeat detracts from the ranty quality and diminishes its luster. 11:26:23 <[mbm]> it all goes back to when some people started writing a new amiga ui and he did tons of artwork for various widgets like scrollbars and buttons 11:26:54 <[mbm]> and nobody told him that the project died 11:28:14 Also, reading all the other comments in the thread makes me aware of some kind of 13 year old injoke that I will likely waste 10 minutes trying to figure out. 11:28:39 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 11:29:13 <[mbm]> damn, guess it has been that long 11:29:39 Something about Windows and the RIAA, or maybe VA Linux Systems, Intel, and the RIAA 11:30:43 <[mbm]> va linux systems was the company that owned various websites, including slashdot and sourceforge; at one time they hosted the propaganda site 11:36:13 http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/05/04/0224248/uk-benefits-claimants-must-use-windows-xp-ie6 11:36:30 Somebody is doing his job so horribly wrong he shouldn't even have a work permit 11:39:27 <[mbm]> seems fairly obvious; old website and nobody knows how to fix it 11:42:58 Yeah. 11:43:31 or it's to expensive. 11:43:34 *too 11:43:52 because no matter how quirky it is, somebody can fix it 11:44:09 or rebuild it from scratch 12:08:01 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:09:50 oerjan: coffee is bad for you hth <-- not as bad as caffeine witdrawal. also it's actually supposed to be healthy. 12:09:51 oerjan: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 12:10:34 @tell NihilistDandy Okay 12:10:35 Consider it noted. 12:10:47 oerjan: I'm actually here this time 12:10:48 NihilistDandy: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 12:10:48 :D 12:10:55 IMPOSSIBLE 12:11:20 NihilistDandy: anyway i expect it's similar to the elementary CA numbering in spirit 12:11:22 oerjan: hi 12:11:35 hi shachaf 12:11:39 how did it feel to have glugbot be down 12:12:26 I expected so, I just couldn't for the life of me figure out what it was derived from. The total number was fairly obvious, but being able to say "oh, yeah, it's totally that one" is much less so 12:12:34 @tell taneb Is programming almost exclusively in Haskell bad for you? <-- just mix in some esolang programming hth (and a bit of perl.) 12:12:35 Consider it noted. 12:12:44 shachaf: HORRIBLE 12:13:22 oerjan: i always thought "hth" was a troll thing to say 12:13:26 Is hth the new #esoteric meme? 12:13:44 i thought it was part of "YHBT YHL HAND" but in retrospect none of those is hth 12:14:04 shachaf: you think "mix in some esolang programming" isn't a troll suggestion? 12:14:10 -!- madb4rd has quit (Quit: madb4rd). 12:14:15 i guess some people say "HTH HAND" and that's how i formed the association 12:14:29 HTH FOOT IN MOUTH 12:14:35 oerjan: No, it's a joke. It's meant to amuse rather than irritate. 12:14:39 (So I assume.) 12:15:20 i may be bad at that distinction hth 12:15:42 oerjan is not a troll 12:15:46 either that or a very good one 12:15:47 hth 12:15:49 NihilistDandy: i think it's just an oerjan meme 12:15:57 yhbt yhl hand hth 12:16:15 i'm not sure at the moment if anyone else uses it 12:16:30 I feel like I see it in this channel a lot, lately 12:16:41 Then again, I just got back on two days ago 12:17:06 hm and i wasn't here yesterday 12:17:09 oerjan: I use it. HTH 12:17:22 itt shachaf admits to his sins hth 12:17:31 (But when I use it, it expands to "hope that helped".) 12:17:54 shachaf: it does that when i use it too, it just may not always make sense 12:18:07 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:18:16 or well, i use the present tense. 12:18:35 when I use it here it means "that was not supposed to be helpful", everywhere else I think it means "happy to help" 12:18:39 Right. I mean the tense. 12:18:47 Well... 12:18:47 Orwell used the present tense. 12:18:50 Maybe I mean "hope that helps". 12:18:57 I *thought* it was "hope that helped" but I'm not so sure. 12:19:03 At any rate it's definitely "that". 12:19:07 My preferred reading is olsner's 12:19:33 My preferred reading is Orwell. 12:19:36 s/.$// 12:19:39 somehow I don't view liquefied brain as a good thing <-- somehow this reminds me of a recently learned fact that cucumbers contain more water than milk does. 12:20:12 fizzie: as did hitler! 12:20:20 People sometimes end messages with "KÄSI" because en:hand (the thing usually at the end of an arm) = fi:käsi. 12:20:34 oerjan: also more water than oceans 12:20:49 olsner: ooh 12:21:02 oerjan: I definitely read that as "Hitler contained more water than milk, as well" 12:21:11 not a lot of brains in cucumber though 12:21:15 Which is almost certainly true, in any sense of those words 12:21:26 NihilistDandy: could be. 12:24:22 @tell thatotherperson Therefore I think Taneb is Notch. <-- i believe notch is swedish and taneb is sort of everything else. 12:24:22 Consider it noted. 12:24:54 well everything shachaf isn't, anyway 12:24:58 That's gonna take the fanfic in totally new direction 12:25:05 *a totally etc. 12:25:48 olsner: Wikipedia's article on seawater implies 96.66% (by mass) of water; the USDA "Cucumber, with peel, raw" table says 95.23% of water. (But both of those probably vary enough so that *some* cucumbers have more water in them than ocean water in some places.) 12:26:08 (Also I think there's more ocean water than cucumbers around, in total.) 12:26:17 oerjan: ? 12:26:26 (It's called "the blue planet", not "the cucumber planet".) 12:27:26 -!- madb4rd has joined. 12:27:43 shachaf: you are finnish, israeli and american, aren't you? taneb is australian and british, although i'm not sure if he's also american. and i think there were other countries involved. 12:28:10 oerjan: Everyone's Edenian. 12:28:19 fizzie: fancy 12:28:49 fizzie: Though if we go by total mass, we should probably be the "orange-brown" planet or "the orange and hot planet" 12:28:59 I suppose I don't really know what color the outer core is, though 12:29:24 i'm not sure there is much light down there 12:29:39 or wait is that orange as in black body color 12:29:48 Are you kidding? Look at all this light! 12:29:48 http://tallbloke.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/earth-cross-section.gif 12:30:05 That's why miners don't need lamps, duh~ 12:30:27 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 12:30:47 NihilistDandy: i think that image uses the largely discredited "earth as a giant orange" theory. 12:30:57 Anyway, this all comes back to my proposal to give the Earth a new epithet "the cucumber planet" 12:31:18 you mean it's actually _green_ inside? 12:31:24 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:31:37 oerjan: Antarctica is the stem 12:31:43 ic 12:31:57 hth 12:32:22 thx 12:33:53 Possibly it's even without an extra fee, who knows. <-- i see you are not familiar with the norwegian airline company. 12:34:27 they have a big ad campaign on about how they're cheap because they don't include anything unnecessary in the price. 12:35:17 oerjan is neither swedish nor finnish nor wegian 12:35:33 sha tup 12:38:39 10:44:56 It says it's free. <-- WHY DO YOU MAKE ME LOOK LIKE A FOOL 12:38:50 also why doesn't webchat allow multiline pastes. 12:39:12 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 12:40:27 -!- Taneb has joined. 12:42:58 oerjan: I know that's their reputation, but the wifi *still* seemed to be free. 12:43:15 IT'S ILLOGICAL 12:43:31 I couldn't find an explicit statement one way or another, but someone else said it's free. 12:43:57 POSSIBLY LUMPIO-? 12:44:02 MAYBE. 12:44:06 * oerjan coughs. 12:44:20 oerjan: have you considered making me a #esoteric op hth 12:44:34 ~metar EGNT 12:44:35 Taneb: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 12:44:42 METASEPIA 12:45:06 oerjan: aww, but I don't want to learn Perl 12:45:09 Hang on 12:45:17 I've got a list of programming languages I want to learn 12:45:21 And I think Perl is on it 12:45:45 of course it is 12:46:07 But so is Scala, so I may completely ignore the list 12:47:25 i assume you have prolog or something from the same paradigm 12:47:27 Blah, Scala 12:48:21 itym scablah hth 12:49:31 iridm scablah tdh 12:50:58 "i regret i didn't mean scablh that didn't help"? 12:51:08 "i realise i did mean scablh that did help"? 12:51:18 "In retrospect, I did mean Scablah. That did help." 12:51:43 itt we learn new useful acronyms tdh 12:52:05 I just realized that txtspk is like lojban, except that people actually use it 12:53:42 txtspk isn't much like lojban in that lojban has more vowels 12:54:55 The vowels are implied, like in Hebrew or Arabic 12:55:01 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 12:55:15 Except when they're explicit, so the comparison holds :D 12:56:01 "Male Osedax are microscopic dwarfs that live as "harems" inside the lumen of the gelatinous tube that surrounds each female. An individual female can house hundreds of these males in her tube." there's a joke here but i can't quite see it 12:56:54 i read that as "gelatinous cube" at first, and the sentence did make more sense as being about D&D. hth. 13:03:33 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 13:07:48 @tell bike srslytho where are the logs, where have the logs gone <-- tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric hth 13:07:49 Consider it noted. 13:09:00 oerjan: How was that "trolly", eh? 13:09:24 bacuase hjehth 13:10:09 Who let the logs out? 13:12:26 -!- impomatic has joined. 13:14:06 Nature makes more sense in a D&D context apparently 13:15:53 I've known that for a long time 13:16:14 oerjan: Did you bother looking at the other logs? <-- what a ridiculous idea hth 13:17:58 imo plz /nick hth thx 13:23:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:25:02 somebody must stop that hth fever 13:26:20 oerjan is the only one who can do it hth 13:26:22 itym somebody mustn't stop that hth fever hth 13:27:01 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 13:27:06 madb4rd: imo it's too late hth 13:27:16 hehe 13:27:41 i caught the hth fever 13:27:46 i've been using hth outside of #esoteric... 13:27:57 nooooooooooooooooodl 13:28:12 monooooidl 13:28:42 nooodl: It's terminal hth 13:29:15 fever i haven't caught: the i_i fever 13:29:25 t_t 13:29:30 Gah. I wanted to sleep in! 13:30:01 i dont understand any of that manga smileys ..manga smileys is correct i suppose? 13:30:16 i_i isn't a smiley 13:30:18 Mango smileys: they taste better. 13:30:26 <_< that one may be eyes lookin to the side 13:30:27 shachaf: explain i_i 13:30:33 yea 13:30:34 please 13:34:18 can hackego serach the esowiki? 13:34:24 by now 13:35:16 @google site:esolangs.com i_i 13:35:17 No Result Found. 13:35:31 nooodl: Do you mean "i,i"? 13:36:04 @google site:esolangs.com Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download 13:36:05 No Result Found. 13:36:08 HUH 13:36:34 @google site:esolangs.com hair salon 13:36:34 No Result Found. 13:36:40 shizzle 13:36:47 .com isn't the right tld hth 13:36:54 oops 13:36:59 @google site:esolangs.org Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download 13:37:00 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora's_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download 13:37:00 Title: Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download - Esolang 13:37:04 that helps indeed 13:37:04 Thought typing it felt weird 13:37:25 @google site:esolangs.org i_i 13:37:26 No Result Found. 13:37:32 @google site:esolangs.org hair salon 13:37:33 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora's_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download 13:37:33 Title: Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download - Esolang 13:37:41 Taneb: how did you come up with such a wonderful name for an esolang 13:38:03 shachaf: I asked a spambot what it thought I should name it 13:38:38 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:38:39 * Taneb . o O ( I GOT THE IDEA FROM LIKING HAIR SALONS AND I JUST WENT FROM THERE ) 13:38:41 -!- ogrom has joined. 13:39:15 http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=109 13:39:15 The language itself was inspired by BIT and lambda calculus 13:39:18 Legitimately laughing about that thought bubble 13:39:25 super mega comics is the best comics 13:40:33 I didn't know toplists were still a thing 13:41:08 shachaf: Channel log: 2012-03-23 13:41:30 In about 1.1 billion years, the solar luminosity will be 10% higher than at present. This will cause the atmosphere to become a "moist greenhouse", resulting in a runaway evaporation of the oceans. As a likely consequence, plate tectonics will come to an end.[11] 13:42:39 ion is a spambot? 13:42:40 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:42:46 yes 13:43:00 i almost believed tectonic activity was caused by vulcanic activity 13:43:15 I don’t remember what the bot that came up with the title spammed. The IRC channel or the wiki? 13:43:23 Vulcan's just a jerk with a hammer. 13:43:26 wiki, I think 13:43:37 Wiki, definitely 13:43:40 Hmm. 13:43:41 hail the mighty penis in the sky 13:43:48 20:24:56: taneb: Real Fast Nora’s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download 13:43:55 I was referring to the wiki spam. 13:43:58 I remember reading some very funny spam on the wiki 13:44:14 I thought the name was "Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download" 13:44:22 But it turns out to be "Real Fast Nora’s Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download" 13:44:34 Which wiki spam? 13:45:06 madb4rd: i think the theory is that there needs to be water in the earth's interior to lubricate the process 13:45:48 and that venus lack of water is why it doesn't have any 13:45:54 *venus' 13:46:16 okay 13:46:40 Oh. 13:46:54 There's a movie called "Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster". 13:46:58 That's disappointing. 13:47:23 Admittedly the title is much improved when it talks about "Real Fast Nora". 13:47:25 shachaf: you know it's a bad series when the title character dies in the first film 13:48:28 i like dying title characters..wait i dont like title characters 13:48:32 itym good series hth 13:48:44 OKAY 13:48:56 @tell kmc: do you logread 13:48:57 Consider it noted. 13:49:01 madb4rd: Oh, then would you ever like [SPOILER ALERT] 13:49:11 have you read the silmarillion oerjan? 13:49:16 shachaf: it's Real Fast (Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster) Download 13:49:52 Three people in the world are known to have read the Silmarillion. Tolkien himself, his editor, and a girl I met in a bar once 13:49:58 Taneb: No it's not. 13:50:01 madb4rd: only up do about when they created the sun and moon 13:50:04 Have you read the silmarillioerjan? 13:50:09 Taneb: Well, maybe the original spam was. But the name of the esolang isn't. 13:50:10 *up to 13:50:38 It's (Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3: (Shear Disaster Download) 13:50:39 The "'s" in "it's" was short for " was" 13:51:04 *Maybe* you could argue for ((Real Fast Nora)'s Hair Salon 3: (Shear Disaster)) Download 13:51:08 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 13:51:30 Silmärilli is Finnish for eyegoggle. 13:51:33 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 13:51:36 I'll argue for the "'s" in "Nora's" to also mean "was" 13:51:38 @massages 13:51:38 oerjan said 1h 27m 16s ago: Therefore I think Taneb is Notch. <-- i believe notch is swedish and taneb is sort of everything else. 13:51:40 i would have think you'll like it.. as the hobby linguist i think you are 13:51:47 So I was reading along in the logs... 13:52:00 And then I saw "-!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)." 13:52:07 and I was like "wat" 13:52:16 everyone dies in this book 13:52:24 spoilers, this book is #esoteric 13:52:52 oerjan: I'm just British/Australian with Dutch and possibly Spanish and Sri Lankan ancestry 13:53:06 hey i have all sorts of *ancestry* 13:53:18 i thought we were talking about citizenships 13:53:45 shachaf: I was describing both 13:54:00 The first two are both, the last three are the latter only 13:54:11 Taneb: aren't all australians criminals hth 13:54:14 I'm about to have a very Lord of the Rings moment, in that I'm about to run out of pipe tobacco 13:54:39 They keep running out of pipe tobacco in LotR? 13:54:46 shachaf: the Australians I'm descended from came over from the Netherlands in the 50's 13:55:11 ion: At Isengard 13:55:17 Taneb: that proves nothing 13:55:44 All Dutchmen are also criminals hth 13:55:59 is Taneb a criminal 13:56:09 Not as far as I am aware 13:56:32 And also the British I were descended from mostly stole sheep on the England/Scotland border 13:56:48 Which is just harmless fun, as we all know 13:57:06 "I were descended from" 13:57:14 you're breaking the laws of grammar 13:57:15 hth 13:57:37 Are all Taneb also criminals? 13:57:50 ion: "Last of the South Farthing Leaf" or some such hobbitism 13:57:58 I believe all the Tanebs other than me are racehorses 13:59:15 other Tanebs invent A-modules 13:59:21 Taneb: People on Scratch are so saccharine I may get diabetes 13:59:24 some of them invent B-modules or C-modules 13:59:29 `? d-module 13:59:31 D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. 13:59:38 our Taneb invents D-modules :'( 14:02:05 Really curious about how that entry came about 14:02:07 But D-modules were around back in the 1970s 14:02:21 ThatOtherWikipedia 14:02:23 That means Taneb must have used a time machine 14:02:51 Or, Taneb is old 14:02:55 Taneb was around back in the 1970s. 14:02:56 Or he's lying about his age, name, and nationality 14:03:17 The d in ngevd stands for d-module 14:03:19 Also, ick, sheaf theory 14:03:49 Not as bad as stack theory, I guess, but that's not saying much 14:04:31 shachaf: what do the other letters stand for?? 14:07:00 norway germany estonia venezuela 14:08:40 -!- Koen_ has joined. 14:09:21 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Later). 14:10:08 Inter-continental D-module theory 14:11:00 Taneb: The horse racing nation isn't saying anything about you, and it says you died in 1963 14:11:14 This D-module story is FILLED with holes! 14:11:47 "isn't saying anything about you, and it says you died" 14:11:53 There's a contradiction around here 14:12:00 http://www.horseracingnation.com/horse/Taneb 14:12:11 Look for yourself 14:12:20 http://www.horseracingnation.com/ ??? 14:12:22 It has some facts, but it is saying nothing hth 14:12:44 ThatOtherPerson: I was not kidding 14:13:10 Also, your parents had goofy names ijs 14:25:18 Should I watch Watchmen or read Watchmen? 14:25:33 Read. 14:26:24 Watch Readmen hth 14:26:26 Is it... just one book, or is it a series 14:26:38 Please, who *watches* The Watchmen? 14:27:06 oerjan: soon hth 14:27:10 ...Amazon is telling me I could read it on my Kindle 14:27:16 I thought it was a graphic novel 14:27:19 It is. 14:27:27 (Also I don't have a Kindle, but I do have a Nook) 14:27:42 Should I not bother with ebook version? 14:28:16 I'd assume as much. 14:28:19 "super" is a great comic-related movie imo 14:28:28 heroes without superpowers 14:28:29 ;) 14:28:50 Like Kickass? 14:28:54 better 14:28:56 Aren't those just normal people? 14:28:56 imo 14:28:58 Or Batman/ 14:29:33 its partly brilliant i'd say 14:29:37 and do 14:29:47 Going to go see if it's worth getting a PO box 14:29:56 Because dad won't give me the key to the mailbox here 14:30:59 `addquote Should I watch Watchmen or read Watchmen? [...] Please, who *watches* The Watchmen? 14:31:03 1029) Should I watch Watchmen or read Watchmen? [...] Please, who *watches* The Watchmen? 14:32:30 They watch the Readmen, obviously 14:33:19 Readiculous. 14:33:26 is that the one with helen page madb4rd? 14:33:35 http://www.movie2k.to/Super-watch-movie-780017.html 14:33:58 ellen page ..yes 14:34:04 I could, if I wanted, buy a new Kindle every week. (Why would I do that) 14:34:20 Money feels weird 14:34:46 Sgeo: the other day, I gave 5 to one of my friends for absolutely no reason 14:34:52 I recommend doing stuff like that 14:34:58 Giving money to my friends, that is 14:35:22 (Watch out, he's prepping to ask you for money) 14:36:37 :P 14:39:00 * Sgeo just donated $25 to Doctors Without Borders 14:48:14 * impomatic likes something in return for his money... 14:48:26 Something like a book 14:49:18 + 14:49:37 By which I of course meant, To Be Or Not To Be: That Is The Adventure comes out this month! 14:49:39 (I think) 14:54:15 -!- ais523 has joined. 14:54:27 @messages? 14:54:27 Sorry, no messages today. 15:03:44 I'll show you how it's done ais523 15:03:46 @messages 15:03:46 elliott said 3d 13h 12m 3s ago: imo, fuck iou 15:04:04 @messages 15:04:05 oerjan said 2h 53m 30s ago: Okay 15:06:16 @massageme 15:06:17 Unknown command, try @list 15:11:48 -!- Tritonio has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 15:14:56 -!- ThatOtherPerson has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:19:12 The two main reasons I am not using Haiku as my primary OS 15:19:27 1) No driver for my wireless adaptor 15:19:31 2) No GHC port 15:29:46 Oh, right, that's another OS I gotta try someday 15:31:33 I'd like my ability to get my mail to not be tied to my dad. 15:32:20 Taneb: (3) Not a useful or complete OS. 15:32:32 Gregor: since when have I cared about that 15:32:41 Fair 'nuff. 15:37:55 I heard that Word of God OS got a new name. You could try that out 15:38:24 Adaptor sounds like raptor 15:38:29 but more adapted to todays needs. 15:38:31 also 15:38:36 You could port ghc to Haiku 15:38:38 That'd be great. 15:38:56 (Haiku is also the OS I've been second most successful installing) 15:39:22 Taneb: are you sure this contravariant "f" isn't a mistake 15:39:41 maybe it isn't 15:39:51 elliott: it's not my mistake, mm_freak is trying to teach that not everything of kind * -> * is a Functor 15:40:15 ok right 15:48:08 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 15:50:43 -!- Bike has joined. 16:15:15 What episode of TNG should I watch? 16:15:44 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to geheimdienst. 16:15:49 The one where Picard lives a second life in 20 minutes 16:16:00 -!- geheimdienst has changed nick to is. 16:16:14 -!- is has changed nick to copumpkin. 16:18:24 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:27:50 Watch Voyager: Threshold. 16:29:27 ion.......... 16:29:27 Bike: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 16:29:37 ion: that's not TNG 16:30:32 olsner: Ah, indeed. He should watch the animated series. 16:30:52 yes, where you get to meet Spock's pet Targh 16:31:24 And the devil is actually a good guy from another planet, just misunderstood. 16:32:04 My favorite episode of Star Trek is an episode of Doctor Who 16:32:10 You should watch that one 16:32:26 Was that the Babylon 5 one? Yeah, that was a good episode of Star Trek. 16:33:23 nah, I think that was A New Hope (episode 4? iirc) 16:36:26 -!- ThatOtherPerson has joined. 16:38:12 From a Wikipedia article I was reading: "The park was famed for its automata well into the fifteenth century before it was destroyed by English soldiers in the sixteenth century." 16:38:19 My first thoughts: "I blame Taneb" 16:39:49 -!- SleepyFifi has changed nick to Fiora. 16:40:17 ThatOtherPerson: where is it, france? 16:40:25 I reversed century precedence for a minute and thought Taneb had destroyed it before it had become famous for its automata 16:40:45 Yes 16:42:27 * Sgeo wonders if he gets Babylon 5 for 'free' 16:42:42 Nope :( 16:43:41 I should really watch The Matrix 16:44:11 Torrents have Babylon 5 for free 16:44:18 No quotes 16:44:27 I've been doing the legal thing lately 16:44:36 Mostly because I can 16:44:53 is this the power of money?! 16:58:02 Behold! The power of money! 16:58:42 That was not intended to line up. 16:58:51 good 'cos it didn't 16:59:01 Did for me 16:59:10 Are you using a non-monospaced font for IRC?? 16:59:34 ...wait. am i using a nonmonospaced font for irc 16:59:49 ooooo 16:59:50 lllll 16:59:53 hm 17:00:42 Nope. Eyes are playing tricks on me. 17:08:58 At the very beginning of the Matrix, are viewers supposed to be tricked into thinking the agents (and police) are the good guys? 17:09:46 Are the other guys still wearing sunglasses and trenchcoats? 17:12:28 At the point I was referring to we didn't even meet Neo 17:37:51 -!- SirCmpwn has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 17:42:46 You know what would make sense? If they _told_ him what the experience would be like. Do this, don't do this, co-operate with this machine, avoid this one, etc. 17:43:21 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 17:43:25 helo 17:44:05 Sgeo: It would also make sense if they didn't contact him in a public IRC channel or call him over the phone in a world run and monitored by the machines. 17:44:24 -!- SirCmpwn has joined. 17:45:33 something something maya something 17:51:44 Bike: as in the 3d computer graphics package? 17:52:33 no, the concept it's named after 17:52:42 The people? 17:53:35 shachaf: 'sometimes' 17:53:36 kmc: You have 1 new message. '/msg lambdabot @messages' to read it. 17:53:50 @messages 17:53:51 shachaf said 4h 4m 55s ago: do you logread 17:54:13 Bike: the hindu concept of illusion? 17:54:22 yes 17:54:31 one of the things the matrix is based on 17:56:23 NihilistDandy, would talking in 'person' really be any better? 17:57:27 I dunno. There weren't agents closing in on the gang's every move when they were feeding him drugs, apparently, so maybe somebody needs to actually be in the room 17:58:03 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 17:59:06 When they're uploading martial arts knowledge, one of them is 'drunken boxing' 18:05:04 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 18:26:47 -!- conehead has joined. 18:33:38 -!- Bike has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 18:33:55 -!- Bike has joined. 18:39:21 http://lzacorp.com/ld/ld26/ 18:39:39 MUST FIND TANEB AND MINE'S 18:40:54 (I have no idea how to properly say that in proper English) 18:41:58 I MUST FIND THE GAME CREATED BY I, THATOTHERPERSON, AND MY COMPATRIOT TANEB 18:43:50 Eh, I think that works. 18:45:59 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: copumpkin). 18:47:44 oh, you were doing that for ludum dare? 18:48:02 -!- copumpkin has joined. 18:48:19 yeah 18:48:23 YES FOUND IT 18:49:12 And lost it when I switched to IRC :/ 18:52:32 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:52:51 Hello 18:53:18 Salutations 18:55:46 btw 'me and taneb's' would be the least awkward way 18:56:45 but aren't you always supposed to mention yourself at the end of a list of people? 18:56:58 ...no 18:57:38 Really? 18:58:10 Also, if you removed "Taneb", then that would be "me game", and that's just pirate speak 18:58:21 you're supposed to do "Taneb and I", yeah 18:58:31 "me and Taneb" is "ungrammatical" but fuck it 18:58:34 no, it would be 'my game' because that's how genitives work 18:59:42 Computer programs in charge of running a VR should be a bit more ... omnipotent than Matrix agents 19:00:13 Sgeo how much of farscape did you even watch 19:03:29 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 19:03:59 -!- copumpkin has joined. 19:07:59 -!- ogrom has quit (Quit: Left). 19:08:51 -!- oerjan has joined. 19:09:03 -!- elliott has quit (Quit: Reconnecting). 19:09:09 -!- elliott_ has joined. 19:10:10 -!- elliott_ has changed nick to elliott. 19:15:31 `addquote http://www.amazon.com/Someone-Cuttlefish-Shapeshifter-Erotica-ebook/dp/B0087PTMW2 i hope you know this is going to /fuck up/ my amazon recs 19:15:35 1030) http://www.amazon.com/Someone-Cuttlefish-Shapeshifter-Erotica-ebook/dp/B0087PTMW2 i hope you know this is going to /fuck up/ my amazon recs 19:16:36 wat 19:16:59 why 19:17:01 just why 19:18:59 rule 34 i assume (i did not click that link but i clicked the picture linked earlier in the logs) 19:19:18 it's just the book that the picture is of 19:19:24 well, kindle book. 19:20:57 Phantom__Hoover, a few episodes 19:22:43 Anyone here know shit about control theory? 19:23:08 we don't do biology here Bike!! 19:23:30 Bike: a little tiny bit 19:23:42 oerjan: are you reading these.. i have a question to ask you!! <-- certainly not! 19:23:55 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 19:23:57 Life is so much more interesting when you try to interpret everything literally. 19:24:16 elliott: ... 19:24:28 well, i'm struggling to understand wtf a hamiltonian is 19:24:40 oh i don't know about those :/ 19:24:46 Bike: it's a fancy name for bad breath like biologists have 19:24:58 or more directly what Pontryagin's minimum principle is all about 19:25:29 elliott what are you even talking about 19:25:37 Bike: halitosis, get it 19:25:44 i; don't 19:25:48 well it sounds like hamiltonian 19:25:55 so i twisted your question so i could "burn" biologists 19:26:18 In most cases (85–90%), bad breath originates in the mouth itself.[2] 19:26:19 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 19:26:31 Do biologists burn well? 19:26:36 this is a pretty bad burn imo 19:26:57 Bike: yes, third degree 19:27:00 FireFly: no, they're mainly made out of water 19:27:06 you're disfigured for life by the bad burn 19:27:13 (do you see how I interpreted "bad" differently) 19:27:37 (yes and pointing it out reduces the effect of the wit) 19:27:37 ok that was better 19:27:50 i don't think you get it ThatOtherPerson 19:28:07 the joke is that elliott is secretly a myrmecologist. 19:28:30 Bike: Jenny is researching prairie ecology, but one day while doing field work she has an unexpected encounter with a herd of wild horses. They're beautiful creatures - and she's shocked when they become handsome men! Jenny's life is about to get much more interesting... and much less lonely. 19:28:37 this cuttlefish person's other books are great 19:28:49 accurate depiction of fieldwork 19:29:08 myrmecologists study mermaids right 19:29:15 yes 19:29:21 elliott: and ants 19:29:45 elliott, ... is this bad fan fiction of some sort? 19:29:46 no it's just mermaids 19:29:52 Vorpal: fan fiction of what...... 19:29:55 horses??? 19:29:57 I don't know 19:29:59 possibly? 19:30:56 i think fan fiction of horses is just considered fiction 19:31:21 also: no, it's porn. 19:31:30 Aren't there more than 3 seasons of The IT Crowd? 19:31:35 Amazon only has 3 19:32:06 Bike: does porn not count as fiction 19:32:14 not as /fan/ fiction 19:32:22 unless it's also fanfiction 19:33:32 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:33:49 you know those dreams where you realize you're still in school and haven't done any work for the term and you're going to fail and then you meet someone cool and embarass yourself in front of them and then all your teeth fall out and your mouth is a bleeding mess? 19:34:08 no not really 19:34:28 yeah 19:34:29 shit sucks 19:34:33 kmc: I swear that happened to me in real life the other week 19:34:57 i had a dream that i think was vaguely interesting yesterday but i forgot it 19:34:59 :'( 19:35:02 by yesterday i mean today 19:36:20 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 19:36:50 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 19:37:26 elliott: I have an important question for you 19:37:36 help 19:37:38 me too 19:37:39 I once dreamt that I was dreaming that I was dreaming. ... 19:38:12 Very confusing dream 19:38:27 Vorpal: are you sure you just wasn't watching Inception? 19:38:30 If yesterday is today, is today then yesterday? 19:38:38 Taneb, no, but I think the middle dream was lucid 19:38:50 Taneb, according to the dream anyway 19:38:51 You can tell by the fact Leonardo DiCaprio was in it 19:39:04 Taneb, I never watched Inception 19:39:22 ...so you dreamt you had a lucid dream, in which you dreamt? 19:39:28 Taneb, yes. 19:39:32 Taneb: what is the question 19:39:41 elliott: you'll never know! 19:39:43 Ahahaha! 19:39:44 Taneb, then the outer dream got lucid and I woke up. 19:39:48 Taneb: i'm cryinge 19:39:56 oerjan: how is my "evil genius" going? 19:39:59 elliott, it is spelled syringe 19:40:13 -!- copumpkin has quit (Quit: copumpkin). 19:40:16 To be or not to be, that is the question elliott 19:40:31 (and specifically, yesterday or today) 19:40:45 -!- copumpkin has joined. 19:41:32 Taneb: you seem to have succeeded at keeping your evil plans secret to me, at least. 19:41:39 Ahahaha! 19:41:51 Taneb is secretly a dendropyrochronologist 19:42:24 ...I write about flaming time trees? 19:42:30 I HAVE UNEARTHED YOUR SCHEMES 19:42:39 but you should get a nemesis to reveal everything to, for historical recordkeeping 19:42:59 I can assure you that you have not yet began to unearth even the very beginning of my schemes! 19:43:08 oerjan: you can email me your CV if you want 19:43:24 Taneb: no, actually you read about flames throughout time on trees. 19:43:28 i cannot be your nemesis, an evil genius needs a good nemesis. 19:43:53 or at least greyish 19:44:00 Would you be in the same rogues' gallery as me, then? 19:44:06 I can't be your nemesis; I already have a nemesis 19:44:08 Sorry 19:44:19 oerjan: we'd be like the Joker and the Penguin! 19:44:56 Do Good Old Games games work on Linux? 19:45:09 i have to admit i only know barely enough batman to have heard of the penguin 19:45:31 There's a penguin? 19:45:43 one of batman'svillains is called the Penguin. 19:45:55 Really, what person in his right mind would dress up like a bat to fight crime? 19:46:01 now opus the penguin, there's a scary nemesis 19:46:11 * Sgeo was under the impression that Batman is not in his right mind 19:46:34 Sgeo: he's off the grey scale 19:46:58 Sgeo: depends on the version 19:47:25 do you know http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phoenix_Jones 19:47:37 Phoenix Jones? 19:47:51 Taneb: http://www.answers.com/topic/dendropyrochronology <-- it is your calling 19:48:08 skin fire tie? 19:48:10 time 19:48:12 ThatOtherPerson: that's a stupid idea 19:48:28 Bike: dendro- is tree, I'm pretty sure 19:48:32 oh, yeah 19:48:36 Hence rhodadendron, lit. "rose tree" 19:48:43 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:48:50 oh, that's actually a sensible term, and not something dumb and made up 19:48:55 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:49:13 «Jones says the best way to prevent getting mistaken for a criminal by the police is to wear a "supersuit"» 19:49:17 Bike: I'm not dumb and I don't make things up 19:49:26 Except for when I am dumb and do make things up 19:49:57 'Jones says the best way to prevent getting mistaken for a criminal by the police is to wear a "supersuit",[8] although local police have expressed concern that the strange costumes may lead to emergency calls from citizens who mistake the "superheroes" for criminals.' 19:50:03 kmc: I've heard of people doing things like such 19:50:15 -!- kmc has set topic: May the Firth of Forth be with you! | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/. 19:50:16 There's an obvious problem with this, unless police start trying to recognize individuals 19:50:42 there are lots of videos of him on youtube too 19:50:50 and here i resisted putting that in the topic earlier 19:50:57 really? 19:51:12 He does not condone other people dressing up and fighting crime. 19:51:16 well, something similar. 19:51:35 firth? 19:51:47 "Geologically, the Firth of Forth is a fjord" 19:51:56 bullshit 19:51:56 Sgeo, what the hell? 19:52:30 Did Vorpal just get here? 19:52:32 Someone suggested that wearing a superman costume or similar would reduce the risk being mistaken for a criminal? 19:52:38 yes 19:52:43 Yes, everyone was talking about this guy. 19:52:51 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 19:52:53 guys we all know Vorpal only has two lines of scrollback 19:52:56 please be considerate 19:53:07 Outside of a comics convention, this makes no sense. 19:53:16 elliott: fwiw, it's almost an entire screen back for me 19:53:26 so if I hadn't been looking at the conversation at the time, I'd have had to scroll 19:53:31 elliott, I read the line " 'Jones says the best way to prevent getting mistaken for a criminal by the police is to wear a "supersuit",[8] although local police have expressed concern that the strange costumes may lead to emergency calls from citizens who mistake the "superheroes" for criminals.'" 19:53:37 and just went WTH at it 19:54:02 elliott, I don't see anything much above it apart from Bike's line 19:54:05 that is about that 19:54:20 also why are people always ragging on the -gate suffix <-- because it's cool hthgate 19:54:21 if there was a reliable way to make people think you were legit, then criminals would use it 19:54:26 *if there were 19:54:39 indeed 19:55:40 ais523, I don't think being mistaken for a criminal has ever been a concern of mine. I never had anyone think I was a criminal. Ever. 19:55:41 thanks. for the info. 19:55:53 wait i read that as tagging disregard hthgate 19:55:54 So I'm not sure it is all that useful. 19:56:05 * kmc is a criminal 19:56:08 * kmc is a smooth criminal 19:56:18 or wait would that be tacking 19:56:19 kmc, how do you mean smooth? 19:56:29 kmc: but are you analytic? 19:57:30 `Real-life superheroes (RLSH) are people who dress up in costumes, help the homeless, and fight crime.[1][2] 19:57:32 ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Real-life: not found 19:57:33 s/`// 19:57:41 elliott, XD 19:58:15 The December 31, 2009 Norwegian publication, Aftenposten featured an article and photos of Real-Life Superheroes. The article included "Life", "Geist", "The Deaths Head Moth", "Dreizehn", "Entomo" and "Superhero."[20][clarification needed] 19:58:21 imagine calling yourself Superhero 19:58:24 not much imagination 19:58:34 The British tabloid The Sun ran an article on the country's Real-Life Superheroes, including "The Statesman", "Vague", "Swift", "Black Arrow", "Lionheart" and "Terrorvision".[21][22] 19:58:40 vague... terrorvision... 19:58:58 Unimaginatively Named Man 20:00:10 I'm not quite sure why the costumes are necessary 20:00:14 are there any comic book superheroes that insist on wearing only ordinary clothes 20:00:21 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:00:40 the question, sorta? 20:01:37 are there any comic book superheroes that insist on wearing nothing 20:01:44 tsiganology 20:02:15 the engineer, silver surfer? 20:02:19 What is the etymology of that, I wonder 20:03:34 `quote 380 20:03:35 380) * Sgeo mutters about broken toilets #toilet is useless is #toilet even a thing I'm looking for help with toilets 20:04:12 ThatOtherPerson: there are a whole shitload of terms for roma people 20:04:17 kmc: Tarzan? 20:04:27 Huh. #toilet still exists 20:04:27 wow 20:04:39 what is it about 20:04:40 Oh, it's from Greek 20:04:47 also shouldn't it be ##toilet 20:04:50 The name originates with Byzantine Greek ατσίγγανοι (atsinganoi, Latin adsincani) or αθίγγανοι (athinganoi, literally "untouchables"), a term applied to the sect of the Melchisedechians 20:04:52 Bike: that does not count as normal, imo 20:04:54 charming. 20:05:09 elliott: faces don't count as clothes! 20:05:18 ##toilet is also registered and is very new 20:05:21 i didn't mean that, imo 20:05:55 I guess Black Widow and Nick Fury are technically plain-clothes 20:06:12 elliott: then what do you mean! 20:06:43 And there was Jubilee from X-Men, the very definition of the '80s 20:06:55 imo, ask not what I mean, but what yourself means 20:11:31 by some freak coincidence taneb is elliott's next door neighbor <-- is this true <-- it is unreasonably close to true. 20:12:16 that one was good because you said it before the hexham thing actually happened. 20:12:19 hth 20:12:21 yep. 20:13:42 by 'the hexham thing' do you mean the two of you continuing to live in the same place(s) 20:13:54 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:14:25 (plot twist: Hexham doesn't really exist and is an elaborate scheme cooked up by Taneb and elliott) 20:14:36 man, there are sooo many strange super-heroes and villains. 20:14:42 Bike: i mean the part where... 20:14:43 (and they put it in all the maps and made all the websites and whatnot) 20:14:44 let me dig up the log 20:14:50 it's good 20:15:15 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 20:16:33 Bike: ok so 20:16:34 first this happens 20:16:35 21:39:06: I'm a Northumbrian <-- and you say that after i was joking the other they that you were coincidentally Elliott's next door neighboor 20:16:45 Bike: then the next day 20:16:47 Bike: this happens http://codu.org/logs/log/_esoteric/2011-07-16#160048PhantomHoover 20:17:42 12 iirc 20:18:20 16:08:53: someone still uses facebook? <-- so oklo 20:18:35 16:09:37: 1789 friends <-- still that bad Taneb? 20:18:41 Bike: btw stop reading that log before it gets to the cheater 20:18:43 well i see esoteric has been roughly as incomprehensible in the distant past as it is now 20:18:43 for your own good! 20:18:48 elliott: ok 20:18:49 Vorpal: I deleted that account 20:18:58 Taneb, oh? 20:19:11 do you use face book still? 20:19:14 face book 20:19:19 Yeah, my current account has 250 friends 20:19:20 i use face book 20:19:44 Taneb and elliott, have you two met in RL yet? 20:19:48 Vorpal: no 20:19:56 that is kind of crazy 20:20:18 when you are so close to each other 20:20:18 it's not that weird, arranging irl meetups is weird 20:20:24 well I guess so 20:20:27 also probably hard to get up the motivation if it's somewhere as boring as hexham 20:20:35 Bike: well the astonishing thing is that i don't like even recognise his face 20:20:42 by all rights we should have bumped into each other multiple times 20:20:47 doesn't hexham have like thousands of people in it 20:20:50 it's 20:20:51 kind of tiny 20:20:55 i mean the population is like 12k 20:20:57 but 20:20:59 that's still thousands 20:21:01 yeah but 20:21:07 ok you explain Taneb 20:21:10 explain hexham 20:21:27 Hexham's a small town in Northumberland 20:21:41 Which is a big county by area but tiny by population 20:21:54 ah 20:22:06 i mean, my town has 17k but i can remember like. two faces. half a face 20:22:40 I believe Hexham has an aging population 20:22:49 yeah but 20:22:51 Bike, what? Sure you must have more than 2.5 friends? 20:22:53 never mind Bike you just don't get hexham 20:22:56 So the amount of people in me and elliott's age group is maybe a couple of hundred at most 20:23:04 Taneb, every place has an aging population. 20:23:08 Taneb: probably more than that 20:23:11 Vorpal: why would i be on irc if i had friends. 20:23:15 though some of it stay still due to the birth rate 20:23:20 (on average) 20:23:36 Bike, funny 20:23:44 the joke is crushing loneliness. 20:23:49 ouch 20:23:49 ha ha, only serious 20:23:53 elliott: take in mind that there are about 240 in each year at the high school and a lot of those, probably more than half, come in from out of town 20:24:00 -!- abumirqaan has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:24:01 oh, 240 20:24:02 -!- ggherdov has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:24:07 that's a good deal less than my high school 20:24:09 Taneb: fair enough 20:24:33 Taneb: Don't all places have aging populations? If not, I'd like to move to one of the exceptions. 20:24:40 Bike: there's one high school in town and everyone of the appropriate age except elliott attends 20:24:53 NihilistDandy: I meant something subtly different to what I said 20:24:53 NihilistDandy, you mean where people grow younger year by year? 20:24:58 elliott you'renot in one of those fucking weenie college things are you 20:25:08 Vorpal: That's still aging, just backward 20:25:16 oh, good point 20:25:20 Bike: weenie college things??? 20:25:29 Bike: pretty much everyone in my year at school (which elliott I think would just be in) knows who I am 20:25:34 NihilistDandy, yeah, if there was a place where you aged backward, I would live in that place every other year 20:25:39 i know a guy who's like fifteen and in college because he's in some program for that 20:25:41 Perfect 20:25:45 Taneb: are you 'popular' 20:25:46 -!- iamcal_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 20:25:53 Bike: more 'infamous' 20:25:55 i know a guy who's like fifteen and in college too! 20:25:58 nice 20:26:04 elliott: ok but everyone you know is kind of a freak. 20:26:19 Bike: yeah but this one is also in #esoteric while not simultaneously being a biologist or a bicycle, and hence cool. 20:26:22 imo. 20:26:27 In retrospect, I wish I'd dropped out of high school at 15, gotten my GED, and not wasted so much time faffing about with high school 20:26:28 Bike: pretty much everyone in my year at school (which elliott I think would just be in) knows who I am <-- what? you are in the same year?? 20:26:33 and don't know each other RL? 20:26:50 vorpal you have really different social norms from me, wtf 20:26:54 Vorpal: I don't comment on elliott's education due to lack of information 20:26:59 NihilistDandy, what about university? 20:27:05 Bike, probably. 20:27:07 My sources claim elliott is "a bit odd" 20:27:17 Taneb, you mean your experience on IRC? 20:27:21 dammit elliott you're a weenie aren't you AREN'T YOU 20:27:22 or real life sources? 20:27:31 his real life elliott spy network 20:27:33 Bike: i'm upset w.r.t. being called a weenie!!!!! 20:27:51 Vorpal: someone who went to first school with an elliott who wasn't Facekicker 20:27:55 elliott, hey are you still as much below average height as you used to be? 20:27:58 i don't respect u 20:28:05 Taneb, "facekicker"? 20:28:08 Vorpal: What about it? I'd have a high school diploma, I could have killed my gen eds at a community college in 4 semesters and then gone to university at seventeen to get a degree 20:28:08 what the hell is that 20:28:31 Taneb: why are you infamous? 20:28:35 NihilistDandy, I don't understand the education system you describe. Whatever, lets just move on. 20:28:46 Vorpal: when I was new to the channel, I asked some of my friends if they had heard of Elliott 20:28:49 he's infamous for not knowing elliott even though they use the same irc channell 20:28:53 Taneb, oh? Lol 20:29:00 One of them had been kicked in the face by someone with the same name 20:29:01 dammit elliott you're fucking up my typing! 20:29:08 channellll 20:29:09 Taneb, hahah XD 20:29:10 aah, you're infamous for having an imaginary friend called elliott? 20:29:15 Taneb, same elliott? 20:29:22 No, different elliott 20:29:26 oh okay 20:29:31 Vorpal: In the US, you're only required to attend high school until the end of your sophomore year, or so. The GED is this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Educational_Development 20:29:33 Turns out Facekicker is an Eliott rather than an Elliott 20:29:51 right 20:30:03 Taneb: That makes all the difference in the world 20:30:21 olsner: I'm infamous for mainly being a complete idiot 20:30:28 And also a horse 20:30:32 With OCD-like symptoms 20:30:59 haven't you developed esolangs? 20:31:04 And unfortunately resembling a particular well-known character from the popular TV series the Big Bang Theory 20:31:09 then how can you be an idiot 20:31:17 Vorpal: ... 20:31:17 (well a complete one at any rate) 20:31:21 Vorpal: I sometimes skip backwards for fun 20:31:22 fuck that show 20:31:23 have you seen some of the languages on the wiki 20:31:29 elliott, oh, good point 20:31:31 also i mostly know northumberland from viking chronicles 20:31:34 Taneb: Is it Raj? 20:31:35 in which it mostly ends up burnt? 20:31:39 Bike: so when are you coming to hexham 20:31:42 http://qntm.org/schema 20:31:47 I need to know for #esoslash reasons 20:31:47 NihilistDandy: nah, Penny 20:31:53 Perfect 20:31:54 dude is your high school seriously called Queen Elizabeth 20:32:12 NihilistDandy: #esoslash is almost empty! 20:32:20 Bike: yeah 20:32:20 elliott: if i do i'm bringing bioweapons 20:32:26 that's terrible 20:32:27 It's named after Queen Elizabeth 20:32:47 Famous for having male internal organs or something 20:33:04 Eww, man liver 20:33:07 a performing arts college....... 20:33:19 22:12:41: Taneb: sorry Phantom_Hoover's name is cooler. 20:33:19 22:12:45: Mostly because I can't spell it. 20:33:19 22:12:55: Mine makes me sound like a supervillain 20:33:22 well, anyway, it has a few hundred less students than my high school did 20:33:24 oh wow you're right! 20:33:26 We have a pretty cool drama department 20:34:16 Bike: okay but it'd make the antarctica trip easier to organise 20:34:25 well yeah 20:34:41 i'm bringing the bioweapons so that we can establish our domain on the antarctic plain 20:34:55 you know, cackling, demanding a million dollars from the united nations, etc 20:34:55 So we can rescue tswett? 20:35:02 er... yes. 20:36:25 "The school was founded in 1599" how the heck is everything in britland so damn old 20:36:41 Bike: check out Hexham Abbey 20:36:45 Not to mention the supercomputer/datacenter possibilities with all that permafrost 20:37:05 Bike, why is that a surprising age for a school? 20:37:20 there's not much permafrost in antarctica 20:37:24 NihilistDandy, kind of far away from everything 20:37:30 Bike: do you know when New College, Oxford was founded 20:37:41 Bike: answer: 1379 20:37:57 Vorpal: because i live in a country where no structure, social or physical, has been in operation that long 20:38:06 elliott, what about the the non-new collage? 20:38:09 elliott: that's like, more than twenty years ago 20:38:11 Presumably there is an old one? 20:38:33 Vorpal: well it is actually not known when oxford university was founded 20:38:33 Bike, I live in a house built in 1907, I consider that kind of modern. 20:38:38 oh wow you're right! <-- if you are checking that on the wiki you might want to pay close attention to kerning hthgate 20:38:40 EstablishedUnknown, teaching existed since 1096; 916 years ago[1] 20:38:41 elliott, nice 20:38:44 Hexham dates back to at least the 600s 20:38:50 Vorpal: It's always a little strange when I go to Europe and see all these places that have been around for hundreds of years 20:38:51 Although its exact date of foundation is unclear, there is evidence of teaching as far back as 1096.[1] 20:39:02 britain: "we literally don't know how old this shit is" 20:39:08 oerjan: I remember when someone was messing around with the kerning on that 20:39:08 ThatOtherPerson, okay? 20:39:09 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 20:39:09 oerjan: Oh, god, is there a scandal already? 20:39:20 isn't the known oldest continously operating university in like, italy 20:39:22 ThatOtherPerson: that being me 20:39:24 or maybe oman, i get confused 20:39:38 ThatOtherPerson: er don't you live in saudi arabia 20:39:42 Vorpal: It just feels weird for someone from the States 20:39:58 In the US they build shopping malls on ancient holy sites. In the UK, we build holy sites 20:40:06 Bike: I live in Saudi Arabia, am from the States, and generally visit Europe and the States every summer 20:40:12 ok but like 20:40:12 ThatOtherPerson, I guess the States would feel weird for me then, what with there being no old buildings. 20:40:17 there's a lot of really old stuff there? 20:40:30 It's made out of mud. 20:40:38 That's kinda what you would expect. 20:40:55 ThatOtherPerson, how did you end up in a country like Saudi? 20:40:57 the great mosque of djenne is made of mud and it's still damned impressive 20:41:17 oh heh, it's actually like a hundred years old 20:41:19 ancient history 20:41:27 Vorpal: My dad works in the oil business 20:41:29 NihilistDandy: it's just a side effect of the recent gategate hth 20:41:49 ThatOtherPerson, 20:41:50 ah 20:41:51 My understanding is that the whole place is just sick with castles. I've been looking into taking one off the poor EU's hands 20:42:00 Bike: actually, most of the buildings and infrastructure here are quite new 20:42:10 well yeah, /most/ of it 20:42:11 Much newer than in the States 20:42:26 there aren't a lot of oxford universities in oxford either! 20:42:36 Bike: there's at least two 20:42:53 ThatOtherPerson, how is it living in a dictatorship like that? That is suppressing women to such an absurd degree. 20:42:54 not a lot 20:42:55 -!- augur has joined. 20:43:03 More than there are in, eg, Cambridge 20:43:32 Vorpal: We're somewhat insulated from the normal culture here, but we experience it a bit 20:43:33 But less than there are Birmingham universities in Birmingham, perhaps 20:43:44 On camp it's very similar to the States in some ways 20:43:47 NihilistDandy: clearly you must put a castle IN SPACE 20:44:03 I cannot see any downside to that plan 20:44:26 ThatOtherPerson, huh, you live in some sort of American enclave? 20:44:43 That's how all the Americans live. 20:44:49 I looked into teaching English there 20:44:53 Vorpal: Not quite 20:45:02 oh? 20:45:05 We have people from everywhere 20:45:11 * Bike reflects that not everybody in the world knows people who were diplomats' kids and know this 20:45:16 NihilistDandy: actually, make that _two_ castles joined bottom to bottom of each other, then there will literally be no downside 20:45:21 ThatOtherPerson, okay, you live in some sort of western enclave then? 20:45:37 oerjan: Think of the view! 20:45:51 oerjan++ 20:46:05 oerjan++ hth 20:46:08 More or less... Saudis live on camp as well, and I go to school with people from a bunch of Middle Eastern countries, but it's fairly Westernized 20:46:27 I see 20:46:43 Apparently for a while my mum went to school in an Italian school in Pakistan 20:46:51 ThatOtherPerson, wouldn't it be a bit of an issue for any western female to live there though? 20:47:07 oh hey NihilistDandy is back 20:47:09 Vorpal: On camp, it's much the same as in the West 20:47:23 They don't have to wear abayas and whatnot 20:47:24 ThatOtherPerson, hm okay, so they can drive cars and so on? 20:47:25 did you see what happened to your voxelnatural number page 20:47:27 And they can drive 20:47:37 Phantom__Hoover: No. I'll have to check on it 20:47:39 http://25.media.tumblr.com/35f4270b1894273b22f26a2093af5f24/tumblr_mmaimzJYC71r7m1rko1_500.jpg homestuck 20:47:52 Bike: what 20:47:57 ThatOtherPerson, Still it is rather limiting, a single "camp". Is this a camp of some oil company or such? 20:48:21 Vorpal: It's one of Saudi Aramco's four housing compounds 20:48:33 Phantom__Hoover: Protected? 20:48:37 HOW 20:48:39 WHO 20:48:39 NihilistDandy: look at the history 20:48:41 WHY 20:48:44 I see 20:48:53 NihilistDandy: the admin literally re-added it to an "awesome pages" category after someone removed it and then protected it 20:48:58 imo, an amazing success 20:49:06 I am literally dying 20:49:15 rip 20:49:17 shit, someone call 911 20:49:33 ＬＩＴＥＲＡＴＵＲＥ <-- need to find a better way to type in fullwidth 20:49:35 One of the ironic things about Saudi culture is that Saudi women probably buy more clothes on average than people in most other places in the world 20:49:40 without bothering with setting up a japanese ime or anything 20:49:52 or in fact bothering with anything 20:50:00 ThatOtherPerson, that is one of those horrific abuses of irony 20:50:00 This and my middle-finger to the gods of Crawl (oh, and that awesome dwarf I was) may be one of my favorite #esoteric moments) 20:50:08 Then there isn't a better way, in that case. 20:50:16 My Arabic Culture teacher is Saudi, and I've never seen her wear the same outfit twice. 20:50:27 Phantom__Hoover: you know what's ironic? 20:50:29 tin 20:50:48 I thought of use of Morse code in Dungeons&Dragons game 20:50:51 Phantom__Hoover: oh sure but don't get angry at 'literally' 20:51:00 Shopping is the main form of entertainment here 20:51:03 Taneb, the element tin? 20:51:07 Vorpal: yes 20:51:15 Taneb, how is that ironic? 20:51:33 How ISN'T it ironic? 20:51:45 Taneb, it is just a rather useful metal 20:51:45 It's like rain on your wedding day! 20:51:52 Vorpal 20:51:53 please 20:51:54 Except you don't have to be getting married 20:51:55 not this time 20:51:59 And it doesn't have to rain! 20:52:02 elliott, not what 20:52:05 this. 20:52:20 elliott, I don't get what you are talking about. 20:52:27 how ironic 20:53:04 Also soldering tin is awesome. 20:53:13 modern electronics 20:53:27 Would not be anywhere near the level it is without it 20:53:38 you would have to use wirewrapping or such 20:54:35 I really would think iron would be more ironic than tin 20:54:48 kmc: someone in #haskell has just claimed to miss you 20:54:55 im the center of elliott's existence like the devil is the center of christianity's existence?? <-- well the latter fits with dante, at least 20:54:57 that happens 20:55:23 I think the most important point is that they kept my terrible formatting which I think was the result of an offhanded joke of the shitty formatting on their wiki 20:56:31 ThatOtherPerson, good point 20:56:39 @tell kmc testimonials I do wish kmc and ddarius were still around in here though :[ 20:56:40 Consider it noted. 20:56:49 oerjan, are you log reading 20:56:52 @tin 20:56:53 Maybe you meant: bid id join kind ping run thx time wn 20:57:01 @kind 20:57:04 parse error (possibly incorrect indentation) 20:57:07 Vorpal: yes, against my better judgement 20:57:12 oerjan, ah 20:57:18 @kind Mu 20:57:19 (* -> *) -> * 20:57:25 @kind Taneb 20:57:27 oerjan, why do you think it is a bad idea? 20:57:29 Not in scope: type constructor or class `Taneb' 20:57:31 hrm? 20:57:42 ohhhhhhhhhh 20:57:49 a HASKELL thingy 20:57:53 I shoulda known 20:58:00 ThatOtherPerson, yes, what else would lambdabot be 20:58:05 lisp? 20:58:13 well okay 20:58:13 a greek language learning bot 20:58:18 or that 20:58:22 Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download, of course 20:58:34 Taneb, what the hell? 20:58:41 taneb's esolang 20:58:43 a good one 20:58:45 ah 20:58:47 right 20:58:48 remember now 20:58:54 ALSO did you know unicode spells lambda as lamda, imo fuck unicode 20:58:59 Vorpal: have you never seen Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download? 20:59:18 Vorpal: because it's using up time for other browsing and stuff 20:59:23 Taneb: I was so disappointed when the rest of the language didn't fit with the theme of the name 20:59:27 LAMBDA ZERO 20:59:34 Taneb, I remember looking at the esolang in question once 20:59:58 ThatOtherPerson: the name and the language were actually developed independently 21:00:00 ThatOtherPerson: what's... the theme...... 21:00:04 @messages 21:00:04 Bike: apparently in ancient greek it may have been pronounced labda 21:00:04 elliott said 3m 24s ago: testimonials I do wish kmc and ddarius were still around in here though :[ 21:00:12 and pi was pronounced pee 21:00:19 Bike: Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download 21:00:26 yes but fuck ancient greek 21:00:44 also zeta was pronounced something stupid 21:00:53 Taneb: Should I assume the kerning on your userpage is intentional 21:00:56 ? 21:01:00 NihilistDandy: yes 21:01:01 anyway fuck the greeks, they invented gayness 21:01:23 Ah, there it is :D 21:01:28 NihilistDandy, what kerning? 21:01:33 keming 21:01:40 * oerjan searches for his nick and skips the rest. 21:01:48 NihilistDandy, I don't see it on User:Taneb on the esolang wiki 21:01:51 Vorpal: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Nathan_van_Doorn 21:02:19 NihilistDandy, don't see any unusual kerning 21:02:20 letter-spacing: -0.08em 21:02:31 oh wait, rn -> m 21:02:38 MUAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHAHA 21:02:44 it looks like m in the font my computer uses 21:02:48 Nathan van Doorn 21:03:04 Vorpal: http://fuckyeahkeming.com/ 21:03:12 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:03:21 Bike, lol 21:03:27 oh, now I see that it doesn't actually say doom 21:03:28 Bike: The requested website is blocked as it falls under a blocked category. 21:03:46 MY NOOK 21:03:48 IS SO BAD 21:03:51 The question is, why is it blocked? 21:03:53 hi 21:03:54 -!- jix has joined. 21:04:06 The old censorship software used to say why stuff was blocked 21:04:11 Sometimes, if there's just a word on a line, the word will be s p a c e d like that 21:04:18 Other things do it too 21:04:20 Just aarg 21:04:21 h 21:04:37 ThatOtherPerson: probably because it's on tumblr 21:04:48 tumblr isn't blocked... 21:05:01 hpaste is blocked at work 21:05:14 oh, then... that... beats me! 21:05:33 oh 21:05:39 it might have to do with the domain name 21:05:47 oh right 21:07:06 Bike: The requested website is blocked as it falls under a blocked category. <-- Saudi blockage or what? 21:07:11 Use a VPN then 21:07:36 Vorpal: actually, specific to Saudi Aramco, but Saudi does have their own Great Firewall 21:07:38 you really need to get in on this kerning dude this shit is choice 21:07:42 ThatOtherPerson, ouch 21:08:42 I'm glad I live in Sweden, where I can get relatively free internet. (I believe there is some DNS blocking of child porn going on though) 21:09:18 but what at what cost? 21:09:22 (a: living in sweden) 21:09:23 http://what-if.xkcd.com/imgs/a/43/train_loop_clothoid.png <-- have any of you been to the Burj Khalifa? It is really tall. (understatement) 21:10:05 dubai seems like a nice place to go. if you're rich 21:10:07 if you jumped off the top would you be in space?? 21:10:19 ThatOtherPerson: What on earth is that what if about? 21:10:33 NihilistDandy: from XKCD What-If 21:10:42 So remind me what my dilemma is, again? 21:10:43 "Could a high-speed train run through a vertical loop, like a rollercoaster, with the passengers staying comfortable?" 21:11:03 Like, I'm supposedly stranded in Antarctica because neither Australia nor Finland considers me a citizen, even though I've resided in both for many years, right? 21:11:24 I was born in Australia and went to Finland for university or whatever. 21:11:33 speaking of tall buildings, they finished the Freedom Tower 21:11:48 tswett: I mostly remember that it was really complicated 21:11:53 o rly 21:12:00 tswett, no you went to university in the university of finland-australia 21:12:02 which is in both 21:12:11 tswett: Is this canon or is it fanfiction? 21:12:19 Must be a hell of a walk across campus 21:12:22 it's only 65% as tall as the Burj Khalifa though 21:12:26 Ah, right, the Finland–Australia Cosovereign Exclave, located in Asia. 21:12:38 ThatOtherPerson: fan fiction. 21:12:44 ah, righto 21:13:04 the burj khalifa is surruonded by much much much smaller buildings isn't it 21:13:10 yes 21:13:22 oh it's called the 'one world trade center' officially 21:13:25 that's way less cheesy 21:13:32 yeah they ditched the "freedom tower" name a while back 21:13:37 but it's still 1,776 ft tall 21:13:49 it's weird how the numbers come before the names 21:13:53 pfff 21:13:59 elliott: it's like books of the bible 21:14:00 they say it's one world trade center but there's actually two!! 21:14:06 one canada square 21:14:07 i remember seeing that last year 21:14:08 it was tall 21:14:15 it looks very shiny on the pictures 21:14:17 elliott: there's like nine... 21:14:21 Bike: what really 21:14:24 i mainly call it the Freedom Tower because when I lived near the construction site I called it the Freedom Hole 21:14:25 oh yeah 21:14:28 there's like at least 7 right 21:14:37 i don't know about your america and your buildings! 21:14:40 and your terrorism 21:14:42 it went up to seven i guess 21:14:43 elliott: One (of the) World Trade Center(s) 21:15:04 the new 7 WTC opened in 2006 21:15:23 Well, you couldn't call it World Trade Center One, because there's only one World Trade Center. 21:15:28 imo some buildings are just too big 21:15:34 there's a world trade center in boston 21:15:38 One World Trade Center is one of the buildings of the one World Trade Center. 21:15:41 there's a wtc in portland too 21:15:43 kmc: well, that one doesn't count. 21:15:47 Bike: well, that one doesn't count, either. 21:15:48 it's kind of a common name? 21:15:52 there's a world trade center in stockholm too, it's completely unremarkable iirc 21:15:54 world trade centre, hexham 21:15:55 like.. trade, in the world 21:15:58 need centers for it 21:15:58 also there's a world financial center down the street from the world trade center 21:16:03 olsner: well, that one doesn't count, either! elliott: nor that one! 21:16:19 Anyway, I would assume that there's nobody assigning ID numbers to each individual World Trade Cente.r 21:16:21 more like a world trade decenter at this point 21:16:22 But there's more then one World Trade Center!? 21:16:24 s/whatever 21:16:36 isn't there? 21:16:39 elliott: I think they're opening that where the Greggs that closed used to be 21:16:40 ugh I get confused 21:16:52 Why do we need a World Trade Center, anyway? Does world trade really need a center? 21:17:00 yeah 21:17:02 there's a lot of it 21:17:06 Taneb: the greggs closed[3~/????? 21:17:08 which one 21:17:09 gotta coordinate that shit, do a bit of central planning 21:17:17 tswett: it's where the illuminati meet 21:17:24 to illuminate 21:17:24 that's why it's ONE WORLD man 21:17:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_world_trade_centers 21:17:27 ONE WORLD ORDER!!! 21:17:27 elliott: the one by the market place 21:17:34 Bike: I suppose that makes sense. So this is where all the leaders of the world get together and make world laws. 21:17:36 Taneb: um lame 21:17:38 why did it close 21:17:39 Right 21:17:43 Gee, I just realized. 21:17:44 elliott: idk, man 21:17:45 also how long ago was this (can you tell i don't get out much) 21:17:51 tswett: not up on politics are you 21:17:53 About two weeks? 21:17:56 Rather. 21:18:00 Gee, I just realized: 21:18:00 where'd you think they made world laws at, the UN? bull shit 21:18:06 The other Greggs got renevated and now is stupid fancy 21:18:12 The decisions of the United Nations Security Council are binding on the entire world. 21:18:16 Except for Vatican City and Taiwan. 21:18:24 well 21:18:26 fsvo 'binding' 21:18:36 also there are a lot more non-member-states than that. 21:18:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain_World_Trade_Center <-- I've driven past that a million times and I had no idea that it was a World Trade Center 21:19:02 can you imagine actually like 21:19:06 doing things high up in the wtc towers 21:19:11 imo i'd be too scared of heights 21:19:12 For example, The Independent People's Democratic Republic of Hexham 21:19:21 probably you wouldn't have a window seat elliott 21:19:35 Bike: you can probably feel being that high up!!! 21:19:36 you're not really an 'executive type' 21:19:48 ...have you never been in a tall building before, like on vacation or somethingi 21:20:03 elliott, and i mean there wouldn't be much gravity that high 21:20:04 or air 21:20:08 Bike: not really 21:20:27 probably the highest up I've been is like... man idek 21:20:30 elliott: Have you ever been in an airplane? 21:20:33 doesn't count 21:20:39 aeroplanes aren't buildings!!!! 21:20:53 aeroplanes are you for real 21:20:58 imo no 21:20:58 ok think about it this way 21:21:20 Our WTC is.. disappointing :( 21:21:24 http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:World_Trade_Center,_Stockholm.jpg 21:21:28 when you're in an aeroplane the only thing keeping gravity off you is wings which don't even flap 21:21:31 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Good night). 21:21:32 FireFly: yeah same 21:21:46 Phantom__Hoover: they flap just really quickly so you can't see 21:21:50 the magicke of science 21:22:03 you know they actually have ornithopters now 21:22:05 pretty weird 21:22:10 ok look would you be comfortable in space 21:22:15 FireFly, what does a WTC actually do? I wasn't aware of that it was a "thing" until today. I just thought it was a name of some former buildings in the US. 21:22:31 Ah, you see, the wings of a bird flap back and forth. 21:22:38 Whereas the wings of an airplane flap *around*. 21:22:43 And internally. 21:22:45 Vorpal: world trade 21:22:50 Vorpal: no clue. The one in Stockholm just hosts a bunch of offices for random companies 21:22:51 -!- iamcal_ has joined. 21:22:56 So, you know the World Trade Center in New York? 21:22:59 ThatOtherPerson, right, but what do they do for the world trade 21:23:07 FireFly, you swedefuck 21:23:07 capitalism things 21:23:12 tswett, yes, destroyed in 2001 21:23:14 The one that was the target of a terrorist attack a while back? 21:23:16 banking, getting money 21:23:25 I mean, technically not all of it was destroyed. I think. 21:23:28 wearing expensive suits 21:23:34 Phantom__Hoover: yes? 21:23:46 But anyway, were their tenants restricted to things related to world trade? 21:23:55 well 21:24:00 office space was probably expensive 21:24:03 Or could, like, just anyone rent out a chunk of the World Trade Center? 21:24:18 there was a restaurant wasn't there 21:24:22 Vorpal: they center it 21:24:30 ThatOtherPerson, right... 21:24:46 tswett: well there was like, zoning 21:24:57 you couldn't open a fish market in the twelfth floor 21:25:07 tswett, I'm not sure there is much world trade going on yet? You can't trade in worlds afaik. 21:25:13 probably the only businesses that could afford being in WTC would be in world trade 21:25:16 because $$$ 21:25:19 Vorpal: " The WTCA is an unofficial umbrella trade association that unites corporations and government agencies in international trade" 21:25:26 ThatOtherPerson, right 21:25:32 Wait, the World Trade Center was leased? 21:25:37 Initially conceived as a complex dedicated to companies and organizations directly taking part in "world trade", they at first failed to attract the expected clientele. During the early years, various governmental organizations became key tenants of the World Trade Center including the State of New York. It was not until the 1980s that the city's perilous financial state eased, after which an increasing number of private companies—mostly fi 21:25:48 Like... its owners leased the entire complex to another company? 21:25:50 ThatOtherPerson, but what do they actually do to promote the international trade 21:25:53 tswett: parts of the complex 21:25:55 Bike: mostly fi 21:26:02 —mostly financial firms tied to Wall Street—became tenants. 21:26:11 Vorpal: They have committees 21:26:14 During the 1990s, approximately 500 companies had offices in the complex including many financial companies such as Morgan Stanley, Aon Corporation, Salomon Brothers and the Port Authority itself. 21:26:21 Eight of them, in fact 21:26:22 (Port Authority could be a band name) 21:26:28 ThatOtherPerson, that do what 21:26:46 My favorite imaginary band name at the moment, I think, is Dancer Outside Wall. 21:26:50 Vorpal: they carry on the work of the organization 21:27:09 my channel user list is out of sync I think. I just noticed ThatOtherPerson is not in it 21:27:12 how did that happen 21:27:23 I am invisisible 21:27:27 As always 21:27:30 and why does Gregor have voice? 21:27:35 -!- augur has joined. 21:27:37 I had a desynced channel user list in another channel today, but ThatOtherPerson is present in mine. 21:27:39 what a stupid question 21:27:40 That's just this thing he does 21:27:46 Vorpal: because Gregor is. 21:27:48 tswett, strange 21:27:59 Vorpal: http://www.wtca.org/ 21:28:12 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 21:29:49 Bike: isn't port authority already a band name 21:29:51 it sounds like one 21:29:53 -!- heroux has joined. 21:30:35 hm 21:30:53 it's a play 21:31:01 googling suggests there is a band called "Port Authority Band" 21:31:03 does that count 21:31:04 and also an album my marco Polo 21:31:10 *by marco polo 21:31:17 and also http://portauthority.bandcamp.com/ 21:31:50 i like the mask 21:32:06 "Access to the roof was controlled from the WTC Operations Control Center (OCC) located in the B1 level of 2 WTC." How did they do that? 21:32:14 Cameras and remotely operated locks? 21:32:43 probably? 21:32:49 or you had to go in there and ask for a key? 21:33:20 I doubt "roof of the World Trade Center" and "disgusting gas station bathroom" have the same security policy 21:33:25 "Hey Bob, did you get a key from Operations?" "Shit." 21:33:46 or it just had a passcode or something 21:33:55 and we all know it was an inside job, right? ;P 21:34:01 NihilistDandy: why? what the heck is on the roof 21:34:08 what are you gonna do, punch a lightning rod? 21:34:18 Antennas and shit? 21:34:26 Bike, communication antennas 21:34:36 Huh. The World Trade Center has its own ZIP code. 21:34:44 tswett, what really 21:34:55 10048. 21:35:26 It's probably just that there's only one elevator up to the top, and it happened to be in that building 21:35:29 "By the end of 2006, the number of items sent to 10048 had decreased to around 300 items daily,[6] mostly sent from businesses and organizations that had not yet updated their bulk mailing lists." 21:35:55 tswett, heh 21:43:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philippe_Petit#World_Trade_Center_walk 21:43:40 you should all watch http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_on_Wire 21:44:13 kmc: ok no I don't need panic attacks about that 21:44:34 imo you should have some cushioning on the ground in case you fall 21:44:43 guy with a trampoline 21:44:55 Wasn't there like a video game about that 21:45:18 "Provoked by his taunting behaviour while on the wire, police handcuffed him behind his back and roughly pushed him down a flight of stairs. This he later described as the most dangerous part of the stunt." nice guy 21:45:42 Maybe HTML should just have some sort of units tag 21:46:00 So you can say 26 feet and the browser could show it as 8 metres 21:46:06 maybe html doesn't need more tags 21:46:13 maybe 21:46:17 maybe it does olsner, maybe it does 21:46:28 Bike: maybe NOT 21:46:49 The Port Authority allowed Petit to conduct the interviews, which he used as a pretext to make more observations. 21:46:56 high-ranking band 21:47:06 Maybe HTML needs all the tags 21:47:33 port authority trans-hudson 21:47:36 All of them! 21:47:46 maybe html should allow whatever tags you try to use, and not have so much to say about how they're presented 21:47:59 HTML need more methods to mark up microdata :-) 21:48:03 html doesn't say anything about presentation "in" "theory" 21:48:29 kmc: fuck he lied down on the fucking wire 21:48:45 worst person i hate him jesus 21:48:46 Once upon a time, there was no CSS 21:48:53 elliott: What was the wire doing?! 21:48:58 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:49:07 wiring 21:50:39 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:51:47 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 21:58:58 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:00:51 Will b and i etc. ever be removed? 22:01:13 ? 22:01:14 and were undeprecated 22:01:19 ah 22:01:40 someone explained to me once why and didn't constitute presentation but i forgot 22:02:23 Blind people, maybe? 22:02:25 oh i guess they weren't deprecated in html4 either 22:02:26 just 22:03:03 is for when you're sort of naming a work 22:03:15 NihilistDandy: i think that was involved yeah 22:03:25 Like, "Leonardo DiCaprio was in Inception and Romeo and Juliet" 22:03:37 I figure is semantically different from 22:03:58 And equally I suppose is semantically distinct from , though that case is harder to argue 22:04:00 Taneb: it's not just for that 22:06:47 and are now defined differently than and , in HTML5 22:07:07 http://html5doctor.com/i-b-em-strong-element/ 22:08:13 a ship name 22:08:20 -!- ggherdov has joined. 22:09:05 Extended_UNIX_Code_Packed_Format_for_Japanese. terrifying 22:09:19 IBM strong! 22:09:32 "stylistically offset" <-- isn't that basically presentational? 22:09:56 shhhhhhh don't ruin the magic. 22:13:09 You can avoid these problems with HTML by using plain text format, is one thing. 22:14:14 Even when you do use HTML, you can avoid what they keep changing and stuff by using only what is necessary; so, don't use CSS, don't use