00:00:18 (i only logbrowsed them) 00:04:55 -!- sprocklem has joined. 00:16:40 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:25:13 Bike: If you sum all integers, like with many sums, the result would depend on how you pair things up 00:25:23 If you pair the negatives with the positives you'd just get 0 00:26:12 oerjan: hm I think the first half of that is more due to incompleteness than due to halting theorem, though I guess they are pretty related 00:26:48 like, the TM that comes to mind is one which searches for a proof or disproof of a statement which is true but not provable in zfc 00:26:53 but maybe there are others 00:27:00 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 00:27:58 find paradoxes in things that know how to talk about themselves with this one weird trick 00:28:07 logic professors hate him 00:30:37 FreeFull: i meant naturals. 00:30:50 Should I watch Dollhouse? 00:31:04 No. 00:31:09 (shachaf, take note) 00:31:29 Maybe it's just me whose time you want to waste. 00:31:34 -!- shachaff has joined. 00:31:46 Maybe. 00:32:25 should i watch The Sting 00:32:29 wasn't it shafchaf 00:32:35 oopse 00:32:38 -!- shachaff has changed nick to shafchaf. 00:32:46 shafkchaf 00:32:56 -!- shafchaf has changed nick to shafkchaf. 00:34:03 kmc: you use the TM which searches for a proof or disproof of the statement that a given TM halts. then from that you construct a TM for which there is no such proof or disproof, thus incidentally proving a version of the incompleteness theorem from the halting theorem construction. 00:35:14 otherwise, the usual incompleteness theorem doesn't say that its undecidable statement has anything to do with TMs. 00:35:59 interesting 00:36:25 note to self: do not ^A M in screen 00:46:28 why 00:47:23 Is there something wrong with this? http://sprunge.us/XOOT 00:48:18 xoot suit 00:49:10 while(m this line is extremely suspect 00:49:47 i also like while(inst_args[2]) memory[inst_args[0]+--inst_args[2]]=0; 00:51:20 What is wrong with that one, please? 00:51:31 it's not obviously right, so it's probably wrong 00:52:31 What makes it seems it's not obviously right? 00:52:46 Bike: The sum of naturals isn't a natural 00:52:48 that's not how it works 00:52:53 I happen to know that while(inst_args[2]) memory[inst_args[0]+--inst_args[2]]=0; isn't broken, however. 00:52:56 I mean, the sum of all naturals 00:53:37 -!- nooodl has joined. 00:54:21 zzo38: why the comma operator there, instead of just two statements? 00:54:26 FreeFull: i was talking about weird-ass models of zfc 00:55:09 kmc: I don't want to put everything in seperate lines instead. (Also, changing it doesn't help.) 00:55:18 you can put multiple statements on the same line 00:55:28 also changing it does help, it makes the code less weird-ass 00:55:36 well, i guess tswett's mantra makes this a pointless line of thought re turing machines, anyway. 00:55:48 Bike: what is your favorite weird-ass model of zfc 00:55:58 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 00:56:10 all i know really is that there's a countable model of zfc 00:56:30 kmc: I know I can put multiple statements on the same line but I don't want to. 00:56:51 i'm not good with models :( 00:58:16 !c int a; a=3,&a; printf("hm"); 00:58:21 hm 00:58:39 !c int a; a=3,&a; printf("%d",a); 00:58:41 3 00:58:59 kmc: Then you'd need {}... Come on, you're being a bit ridiculous. 00:59:27 So how many words of a given length does a given ambiguous context-free grammar have? 00:59:53 So, you know how there exist Turing machines that halt in some models of ZFC, but not others? 00:59:59 I wonder if there's a model of ZFC where all of them halt. 01:00:29 That would be a pretty trippy model. 01:00:40 help whats a model 01:00:55 a thing that the axioms describe 01:01:12 help what's a mooodl 01:01:13 well model theory is separate from axiomatic formal logic 01:01:38 you still need laws of whatever kind doncha 01:01:55 A model of ZFC is a set U along with a relation `in` on U such that for all elements x and y of U, if for all z in U, z `in` x if and only if z `in` y, then x = y, and ... 01:02:17 A model of ZFC is a set U along with a relation `in`, such that U and `in` satisfy the axioms of ZFC. 01:02:57 All right, ambiguous grammars. 01:03:07 I'm trying to come up with ones that are complicated, but not too complicated. 01:03:08 kmc: is being hungover good 01:03:11 so does anyone know what i should get in MIT's half off book sale 01:03:39 shachaf: no hth 01:03:50 should i try it 01:04:29 Here's my favorite one so far: ::= "a"* "b"*; ::= "a" "b" | epsilon 01:05:02 Given a string of as and bs in that language, the number of parses of that string is the x^(number of as) y^(number of bs) coefficient of 1/(1 - xy)(1 - x)(1 - y). 01:05:04 tswett: you know it's undecidable whether a cf grammar is ambiguous or not, right? 01:05:05 Suspicious. 01:05:08 oerjan: yep. 01:05:12 Well, no. 01:05:17 But I'm not surprised. 01:05:50 there's a simple reduction from the post correspondence problem 01:06:17 i like that i went searching for the semantics of the comma operator and one of the first hits was "GCC Bug 6409 - C comma operator: wrong behavior" 01:06:38 semantics: n/a 01:07:04 comma is a sequence point iirc, while assignment is not (iirc) 01:07:19 yeah i think so too 01:07:21 -!- amca has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:07:55 looks like that could be done with memcpy/memmove instead 01:08:57 kmc: how much drugz have you taken since you got to ca 01:09:17 So I guess the parses of this grammar are really pretty simple. I wonder what's a language that has more sophisticated parses... 01:09:24 In my program it is *supposed* to corrupt the table by copying it like that. 01:09:32 shachaf: lots 01:09:37 mostly booze 01:09:49 Ooh, here's one: ::= "a"** 01:09:51 http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11751 is kind of amusing as well 01:10:47 Each string there has infinitely many parses. That won't do. How about this one: ::= ("a"+)* 01:10:49 kmc: do they mark every undefined behavior bug as a duplicate of that one 01:11:33 it just keeps going XD 01:11:34 seems to be the trend 01:11:35 If there are x as, then the number of parses is really just 2^(x-1). Unless there are no as. 01:11:52 -!- shafkchaf has quit (Quit: ff). 01:11:57 «The code is undefined, which means we should be able to do system("rm -Rf /");, note we don't.» thanks, asshole 01:11:57 maybe only ones related to multiple-assignment between sequence points 01:12:24 heh that is what I would say 01:12:27 maybe in somewhat more words 01:12:42 kmc: but would you use an uppercase r 01:12:44 like fuck, they know perfectly well it's undefined, they're just asking for a bit vendor-definition 01:12:53 you could at least tell them it's too much work or something 01:13:15 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 01:13:25 "rm -rf /" is the one true rm command 01:13:51 So how can (a++)+(a++)+(++a) there evaluate to 4? 01:14:02 Bike: "compiler-dependent" (i.e. implementation-defined) isn't the same as "undefined" 01:14:05 Bike: no I don't think the original opener of the ticket knows that it's undefined 01:14:22 tswett: it's undefined, it can do anything 01:14:34 oh, i'm reading the thread 01:14:35 http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=11751#c28 01:14:38 All right. Does it evaluate to 4 in a sensible manner, and if so, what is that manner? 01:14:44 shachaf: i know. 01:15:00 -!- FreeFull_ has joined. 01:15:10 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 01:15:18 Bike: that's not the original ticket opener who the rm -Rf comment was directed towards 01:15:31 so I see. 01:15:39 UB is useful to the compiler because it enables optimizations 01:16:19 yes, but you could explain that 01:16:20 So undefined behavior is there to extend the equivalence class between programs. 01:16:28 As well as giving implementations some leeway... 01:16:35 kmc: Yes, that is why I wanted to add some strange operators. 01:16:35 -!- elieser2241 has joined. 01:16:48 zzo38: you had one that was "AND or ADD" right? 01:16:57 er, "OR or ADD"? 01:17:01 kmc: Yes. 01:17:21 -!- FreeFull has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 01:17:23 Signed overflow being UB makes it 'sane' to use one's complement integers. 01:17:45 Admittedly this particular case is probably dubious. 01:18:17 Is there a way to compile a program so that all "undefined behaviors" produce an error message? 01:18:23 Probably not. 01:18:28 I mean. There are a lot. 01:18:43 detecting UB at compile time is ~impossible, but I think you can write runtime checks for most of them 01:18:47 -!- elieser224 has joined. 01:18:49 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:18:59 I,I valgrind 01:19:12 The number of ways to produce undefined behavior should be O(n) in the length of the spec. 01:19:14 yeah, also ASan is in GCC 4.8 now 01:19:21 asan? 01:19:26 er, 4.9 01:19:29 https://code.google.com/p/address-sanitizer/ 01:20:12 "It finds use-after-free and {heap,stack,global}-buffer overflow bugs", 2x slowdown I think 01:20:16 tswett: Some instances of UB require a halting oracle to identify. 01:20:18 Nice. 01:20:28 (varies by application of course) 01:20:32 pikhq_: I mean so that they produce an error message at runtime. 01:20:44 Do you need a halting oracle to recognize UB at runtime? 01:20:47 shachaf: someone at Mozilla mentioned that they knew someone who used xpdf in valgrind always 01:20:53 Ha 01:21:05 I'd be unsurprised to find that really. 01:21:05 i used valgrind for mosh to simulate laggy server process 01:21:09 Why? 01:21:16 why which 01:21:18 -!- elieser2241 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:21:20 xpdf 01:21:45 because xpdf has more holes than a... some kind of object with lots of holes 01:22:02 Oh, security? 01:22:06 yeah 01:22:11 I had not considered that use of valgrind. 01:22:24 i love reading pdfs about vulnerabilities of pdf viewers 01:22:35 Is something like for(;;);free(x);free(x); undefined behavior? 01:23:13 shachaf: maybe Mosh should detect GCC 4.9 and run some benchmarks of the slowdown on your machine and then build with ASan 01:23:21 freeing the same pointer twice is undefined isn't it 01:23:22 shachaf: No. 01:23:34 oh, durr, ignore me 01:23:49 not actually a reasonable idea but I do think --enable-asan or something would be good 01:24:10 shachaf: Double-free can never occur in the C abstract machine, and as it so happens, this never occurs. 01:24:26 Likewise, goto foo;free(x);free(x);foo: is defined behavior. 01:25:08 -!- elieser2241 has joined. 01:25:31 what if i put a double free after a loop which searches for a nontrivial zero of the riemann zeta function which is not on the critical line 01:25:47 pikhq_: Would it be allowed to optimize the second free into unreachable? 01:25:52 zzo38: Yes. 01:26:13 Anything that would be UB may be assumed to never occur. 01:26:30 kmc: you know i've been thinking that an ideal compiler woul dhave to be a good mathematician 01:26:35 (In the case you gave, though, it could optimize out all of it, but after a loop like kmc described, it would have to do that.) 01:26:56 Bike: Yes, I think an ideal *optimizer* would have to be 01:27:09 -!- elieser224 has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 01:27:25 -!- elieser2241 has left. 01:28:02 i wonder if anyone ever asked Gödel whether God could decide all statements in number theory 01:28:24 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:28:41 so if 'for(;;);free(x);free(x);' is not UB, then the C spec must define what kinds of infinite loops the compiler is required to detect 01:28:54 Why? 01:29:14 it's defined only because the loop is infinite 01:29:25 Right. Why is the compiler ever required to detect it? 01:29:55 extern void f(); f(); free(x); free(x); is also defined if f never returns, presumably. 01:30:08 ok, yes, you're right 01:30:23 -!- elieser224 has joined. 01:30:29 it's only required if the compiler is going to 'look ahead' for UB code and remove stuff before it 01:30:33 -!- elieser224 has left. 01:30:44 which is an implementation decision that the compiler authors can restrict however they like in keeping with the spec 01:30:45 That's for optimizations etc., so not really specified by the spec. 01:30:47 Right. 01:31:30 I wonder whether there are compiler bugs like this. 01:31:32 Probably. 01:33:21 shachaf: Josh (who you met) works at Synaptics and found something like 40 bugs in their in-house C compiler using Csmith 01:33:51 * kmc → afk 01:34:17 They have an in-house C compiler? 01:37:32 I fixed my program. 01:45:34 kmc: did you know it's illegal for a minor to be in a public space in east palo alto between 23:00 and 6:00 01:52:32 -!- elieser224 has joined. 02:03:06 synaptics as in the touchpad people? 02:04:22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pointing_stick 02:04:28 i love how crude the name makes it sound 02:11:29 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:11:57 -!- elieser224 has left. 02:21:59 tswett, is Sine down? 02:24:33 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 02:28:18 shachaf: really? fascists 02:28:24 zzo38: what did you fix 02:28:34 kmc: they recently even started enforcing it 02:28:42 why 02:28:58 what do you do if you're a homeless kid? 02:29:02 you just can't exist in epa? 02:30:41 http://library.municode.com/HTML/16328/level4/SUHITA_TIT9PUPEMOWE_CH9.20PRMI_ARTIINGE.html 02:33:22 oh it's a port of GCC 02:33:22 Hmm, you count as "emancipated" in CA if you've gotten married. 02:33:52 is Josh (who i met) on irc 02:34:07 shachaf: yeah, if you have rich parents you can get better financial aid if you marry someone poor 02:34:13 he is not 02:34:21 but he is looking over my shoulder 02:34:38 hi Josh (who i met) 02:39:35 -!- Bike has joined. 02:51:46 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:06:46 -!- constant has joined. 03:13:54 someone should build pam_brethalyzer 03:14:32 Are the names of destroyer ships supposed to have "class" at the end? 03:15:03 no 03:15:38 In this game I am playing, they do, both for the United States and Japanese ships. 03:15:39 a class of ships is named after one of the ships in the class (usually the first one?) 03:15:48 so e.g. the USS Iowa was a Montana-class battleship 03:15:56 this is what it does: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:BB61_USS_Iowa_BB61_broadside_USN.jpg 03:16:12 O, so that's how it works. 03:34:49 https://github.com/search?p=3&q=extension%3Aphp+mysql_query+%24_GET&ref=searchresults&type=Code 03:36:19 Someone should write a script that does that kind of search and creates issues in the project 03:36:33 (Perhaps with human supervision to ensure no false positives) 03:37:13 i'm sure that will go over well 03:37:30 someone should write a script that submits a pull request for every PHP project which simply deletes the entire project 03:38:07 does github have policies about bots like that? 03:38:43 I'm going to raise an issue with the 4 day old one 03:39:09 Someone already did 03:39:26 ... 03:39:31 https://github.com/gregmolnar/infokos/commit/5eba4f5d7840d0f97135094214dad343a9c30e41 03:39:57 Not really the sort of fix I would personally recommend 03:39:58 lol 03:40:02 will that actually work 03:40:02 Google says it'll be 37° in Palo Alto next week. 03:40:26 there ought to be a law 03:40:27 that is a very PHP way to fix that problem 03:41:28 in PHP i wouldn't be so sure that (int)x can never be "'; DROP DATABASE; --" 03:41:48 i'm probably naive here but: is constructing a query string really the best way to do that anyway? that seems about as good as constructing code to eval because that's what it is, which seems like not good. 03:42:05 kmc: In PHP mysql_query can't do multiple semicolon-separated queries! 03:42:08 So we're safe. 03:42:08 hth 03:42:10 Hey, at least two languages I like are centered around constructing code to eval! 03:42:23 Do they suck? 03:42:25 Be honest. 03:42:31 I don't think they do. 03:42:41 Be honest, sgeo. 03:42:41 Bike: No, constructing a query string is not the best way to do that. hth 03:42:48 So what's the good way. 03:43:13 Parameterized queries are the obvious improvement to make that safe. 03:43:15 most languages / DB APIs have something like query("SELECT foo FROM bar WHERE x = ?", x) 03:43:18 Bike, Tcl and Rebol are both fantastic languages! Just ask pikhq_ about Tcl. 03:43:21 yeah parametrized queries 03:43:24 I.e. what kmc said. 03:43:30 yeah that makes more sense. 03:43:30 Also using a higher-level thing like an ORM. 03:43:32 does php have that? 03:43:35 safer, easier to write, and you can also save and compile them ahead of time 03:43:35 Yes. 03:43:40 Right. 03:43:46 (Not necessarily an ORM. Just something high-level.) 03:43:50 Yeah I was wondering about the compiling too. 03:43:54 yeah, an ORM, or just a DSL for building SQL 03:43:58 i think sqlalchemy is both 03:44:05 @quote strings 03:44:05 uninverted says: Moving from lisp to haskell with respect to functions is like moving from c to perl with respect to strings. 03:44:10 Hmm. 03:44:10 @quote stark 03:44:11 AlanPerlis says: The string is a stark data structure and everywhere it is passed there is much duplication of process. It is a perfect vehicle for hiding information. 03:44:19 @quote AlanPerlis string 03:44:19 AlanPerlis says: The string is a stark data structure and everywhere it is passed there is much duplication of process. It is a perfect vehicle for hiding information. 03:44:21 Ah. 03:44:30 That one. 03:45:06 web development involves a ton of metaprogramming, much of it at string level :/ 03:45:35 Yep. 03:45:40 Similarly you should use a templating system or something high-level to generate HTML! 03:46:25 i would call most templating systems "string level" 03:46:29 dunno 03:47:09 what should we use to generate templating systems 03:47:25 it turns out that metaprogramming and functional programming are really useful, if you don't tell people that they are fancy math things 03:47:30 kmc: Similarly to the SQL thing, I mean. 03:47:40 Templating systems corresponding to the x = ? case. 03:47:44 yeah 03:48:01 Even in C you can have SQL with ?1 and so on if you use SQLite, or probably other database engines too. 03:48:31 Alternatively you change the name of all your string variables to usBlah and then rely on humans to make sure all the names match up. 03:49:15 I heard that's the proper way to do it. 03:49:41 http://linux.die.net/man/1/ecpg "ecpg is the embedded SQL preprocessor for C programs. It converts C programs with embedded SQL statements to normal C code by replacing the SQL invocations with special function calls." 03:49:45 What's always "fun" is mixing front-end templating with back-end templating that is unaware of the front-end templating 03:49:56 oh yes 03:50:04 metatemplatery 03:50:23 maybe i should just go to your house and talk, rather than html 03:52:22 shachaf did that 03:52:55 Talk? Not really. 03:53:00 true 03:53:12 You all live near each other? 03:53:13 Wat? 03:53:25 They live in the elusive land of "some urban area in california" 03:53:34 Finlaxam, CA 03:53:34 I am in SF for the weekend but I don't live there yet 03:53:50 eh, basically the same 03:54:03 We've answered the questions of which of me and kmc is the one who doesn't say anything. 03:54:11 why would there be one 03:54:23 I didn't say it was a good question. 03:54:25 Because you're both weird internet creeps 03:54:52 im not weird :'( 03:55:00 also 03:55:01 esoteric/2012-12-03.txt:21:22:46: yes shachaf and i have met irl 03:55:01 esoteric/2012-12-03.txt:21:22:56: once at boston python and once at the stripe ctf meetup in sf 03:55:04 esoteric/2012-12-03.txt:21:22:59: and maybe another time 03:55:07 esoteric/2012-12-03.txt:21:23:07: we are more awkward in person 03:55:30 so 03:55:32 weird internet creeps 03:55:38 (Well, at least when we're around a bunch of people that kmc knows and I don't.) 03:55:59 i hope they provided some amt. of entertainment 03:56:53 Yep. 03:57:05 Maybe this weekend I can focus all my not-talking at you! 03:57:16 nalking 03:57:34 (By "weekend" I mean Sun-Tue.) 03:57:56 17:53 Bicycle haters unike! 03:57:57 steekend 03:58:21 17:53 was such a bad minute 03:59:03 Bike: imo you should come to sf and have burritos/ramen/sushi/pizza/other kmc food 03:59:14 ugh that sounds good 03:59:27 but i can't even afford a stupid book, let alone kmcfood 03:59:32 i had a salty ginger ice cream sundae from bi-rite 03:59:33 so good 03:59:33 (this is all one meal btw. just a day in the life of kmc) 04:00:00 well there is http://www.sushirrito.com/ 04:00:09 kmc: The person I went to meet and I had "strawberry white balsamic" ice cream prepared with liquid nitrogen! 04:00:16 nice 04:02:13 Bike: stupid books make you stupid anyway 04:02:15 buy smart books 04:02:15 hth 04:02:18 "I am issuing a fatwa: all real programmers must Rasmus Lerdorf in the balls on sight" 04:02:47 better without the verb 04:02:51 yep 04:03:01 Rasmus Lerdorf is a verb and all we know is that it can be done to balls 04:03:16 is f(x) = 2x a diffeomorphism 04:03:22 i think yes but i need external confirmation. 04:03:50 -!- sprocklem has joined. 04:04:37 A diffeomorphism is a bijection such that both it and its inverse are infinitely differentiable? 04:05:46 (In the case of ℝ→ℝ.) 04:06:27 does it need to be infinitely so? 04:06:48 "It is an invertible function that maps one differentiable manifold to another, such that both the function and its inverse are smooth." 04:06:49 wikipedia says so but not my book 04:06:51 "In mathematical analysis, a function that has derivatives of all orders is called smooth." 04:06:51 how terrible. 04:06:54 Oh. 04:06:58 What does your book say? 04:07:09 http://www.math.toronto.edu/mat1300/smooth.2.pdf says so too. 04:07:22 Just that it and the inverse are differentiable. 04:07:36 Well, either way the answer seems to be yes. 04:07:42 yeah. 04:07:57 But you should probably work out the definitions. 04:08:01 thank's 04:08:09 your welcome 04:08:25 What's your book? 04:08:58 Ooh, http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Diffeomorphism.html says "differentiable" 04:09:01 This is exciting. 04:10:08 kmc: I like how 8/10 of the first page is the same person. 04:12:13 which page 04:12:48 extract($_GET) 04:14:05 shachaf: Ordinary Differential Equations by vi arnold 04:15:17 [Amazingly, there exist continuous functions which are nowhere differentiable. Two examples are the Blancmange function and Weierstrass function. Hermite (1893) is said to have opined, "I turn away with fright and horror from this lamentable evil of functions which do not have derivatives"» mathematicians are the best. 04:15:31 * kmc → afk 04:15:41 adieegan 04:15:47 Hmm. 04:15:49 adiuaf 04:18:15 ADieu Is Usually A Farewell 04:18:42 Bike: are differential equations good 04:18:55 should i "learn things about them" 04:19:00 They're like Turing machines for people who aren't HUGE NERDS like yourself 04:19:17 :'( 04:19:34 But yeah, they're cool 04:19:45 http://arxiv.org/abs/1203.4667 ~ 04:21:03 "Differential Equations" is the worst college class, though. 04:25:35 -!- SingingBoyo has joined. 04:39:47 why would anyone take a class called "differential equations" 04:40:02 probably itd just be all about finding solutions 04:40:05 which is 100% lame 04:40:54 mnoqy: are differential equations good tho....... 04:41:39 shachaf: differential eqns are a pain. Of course I did just take a class that involved them so I might be biased... 04:42:02 `relcome SingingBoyo 04:42:03 the theory's probably not bad, but calculus is one of those things that's so dang applicable that everyone only ever talks about how to apply it and compute with it and uuuuurgh(barf) 04:42:08 so i stay away from it 04:42:10 ​SingingBoyo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 04:42:20 if u want "calculus but good" try "analysis" 04:42:43 `addquote the theory's probably not bad, but calculus is one of those things that's so dang applicable that everyone only ever talks about how to apply it and compute with it and uuuuurgh(barf) so i stay away from it 04:42:47 1044) the theory's probably not bad, but calculus is one of those things that's so dang applicable that everyone only ever talks about how to apply it and compute with it and uuuuurgh(barf) so i stay away from it 04:43:22 `revert 04:43:26 Done. 04:43:31 `addquote the theory's probably not bad, but calculus is one of those things that's so dang applicable that everyone only ever talks about how to apply it and compute with it and uuuuurgh(barf) so i stay away from it 04:43:35 1044) the theory's probably not bad, but calculus is one of those things that's so dang applicable that everyone only ever talks about how to apply it and compute with it and uuuuurgh(barf) so i stay away from it 04:56:12 -!- elieser2241 has joined. 04:57:03 -!- elieser2241 has left. 05:07:31 mnoqy is quite correct, both about "Differential Equations" and about calculus. 05:17:19 `quote 05:17:21 344) [on spiking] drugs are expensive. It would be a waste to use them on a random stranger. 05:17:53 \o/ i bothered to track and fix a bug 05:17:53 | 05:17:53 /< 05:17:59 just sayin' :) 05:18:05 you guys seemed to enjoy it anyway 05:18:38 the \o\ thing? \o/ I mean. \ o /, \ o /, \o/ 05:18:39 | | | 05:18:39 /`\ /^\ /'\ 05:18:47 Not bad. 05:19:11 o/o/o/o/o/o/o/ 05:19:22 \o\o\o\o\o\o\ 05:19:26 Hmph. 05:19:38 hehe 05:19:42 no troupers sorry 05:19:49 \o\\o\\o\\o\ 05:19:49 | | | | 05:19:50 /´\/< /< /^\ 05:20:05 .\m/ \m/ 05:20:05 `\o/´ 05:20:05 | 05:20:05 /'\ 05:20:05 (_| |_) 05:46:01 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 05:59:38 Can a small TOGA computer be made using only two 74xx series ICs? 05:59:55 is that like a toga party? 06:00:29 http://esolangs.org/wiki/TOGA_computer 06:01:24 urisc, haha 06:09:34 -!- ineiros_ has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 06:10:03 -!- tswett has quit (*.net *.split). 06:10:03 -!- Jafet1 has quit (*.net *.split). 06:10:04 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (*.net *.split). 06:10:04 -!- Lymia 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Two examples are the Blancmange function and Weierstrass function. Hermite (1893) is said to have opined, "I turn away with fright and horror from this lamentable evil of functions which do not have derivatives"» mathematicians are the best. 12:22:43 you totally fucked up this quote 12:23:28 i mean the actual quotes 12:23:30 not the content 12:30:49 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:31:23 wow how did that happen 12:36:40 i love the blancmange function 12:36:43 (it's so easy) 12:38:15 love those monoids jokes 12:38:34 sadly they are not so easy 12:38:54 how are they not easy? they look rather mindless 12:38:58 :-) 12:49:58 -!- gasoline has joined. 12:51:53 dudes 12:52:01 gasoline 12:52:01 hows hanging dudes 12:52:09 hanging's great 12:52:30 `relcome gasoline 12:52:34 ​gasoline: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 12:52:41 we will see about that elliott 12:52:49 help 12:53:03 ;seen themom 12:53:22 the mom?? 12:53:31 do we know you 12:53:34 yea for elliott 12:53:59 or were you saying something 12:54:12 i dont exclude that possibility you know 12:54:27 have you noticed you're not making much sense 12:54:46 wake up this is irc dude 12:54:57 true 12:55:01 so 12:55:07 then we agree on something 12:55:19 yes 12:55:40 doesnt mean you also said something usefull ofcourse 12:55:47 wow burn 12:56:36 whats up with undernet by the way 12:56:53 it seems they lost their server 12:57:12 mnoqy: remember that guy who came in and quit because of the dalnet in the welcome 12:57:15 that was so good 12:57:29 you mean the guy who was really upset about mentioning dal? 12:57:30 yeah 12:57:32 i remember that guy 12:57:40 what was up with that guy anyway 12:58:23 -!- gasoline has changed nick to newstalker. 12:58:30 hahaha 12:58:35 news talker? 12:58:44 questions questions questions 12:58:51 SEEK 12:58:58 and thou may find something 12:59:18 are you high 12:59:24 we know all about the drugz here 12:59:24 good question elliott 13:00:00 what is there that makes you think that I am a topic 13:00:15 so yes 13:00:32 elliott: elliott elliott 13:00:40 hi 13:00:44 hi elliott 13:00:58 have you met fungot 13:00:58 elliott: i've been hacking on a business model yet. but you can't 13:01:21 elliott don't you remember the last time gasoline was here 13:01:52 why would i remember such a loser 8) 13:02:18 you mean the guy who was really upset about mentioning dal? 13:02:22 what guy was this 13:02:30 the great guy 13:02:40 you remember me elliott 13:02:56 newstalker, so are you locked in the matrix of solidity 13:03:25 i call that wildly speculative 13:04:04 Phantom_Hoover: Broly 13:04:25 check 2013-03-18 13:04:43 maybe if someone mentions dalnet ... 13:04:57 dalnet 13:05:04 uhm no 13:05:06 try again 13:05:21 dalnet 13:05:27 dahlnet 13:05:51 no then its not me dudes 13:05:55 `pastelogs Broly 13:06:26 newstalker: but aren't we all one 13:06:32 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29509 13:09:39 HEY! YOU! 13:09:42 Dont Watch That! 13:09:44 Watch This! 13:09:49 This is the Heavy Heavy Monster Sound 13:09:51 what's that and what's this 13:09:51 oh 13:09:52 ok 13:09:52 The Naziest Sound Around! 13:10:04 what makes a sound Nazi 13:10:31 Positive News ! Force Feeding does work ! So called Hunger Strikers at Guantanamo Bay Have Actually “Put On Weight” - Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-KS) 13:11:18 More Positive News ! The President is gonna Close Guantanamo Bay Again ! 13:11:34 As soon as he returns from vacation ... 13:11:44 -!- elieser224 has joined. 13:11:51 -!- elieser224 has left. 13:13:07 -!- Taneb has joined. 13:20:02 im reading about a Pill that also cures racism 13:20:40 ha ha theyre saying that it will no doubt fire up the imagination of egalitarians everyfwhere 13:21:23 That seems very Clockwork Orange 13:22:17 A Clockwork Orange is a dystopian novella written by Anthony Burgess and published in 1962. 13:22:50 thank's 13:22:58 It's about (or contains, I'm not sure) a doctor trying to medically cleanse evil from someone 13:23:02 It... works. 13:23:03 Sort of. 13:23:19 dystopian seems the right way to denominate it versus utopian 13:26:00 -!- newstalker changed the topic of #racism to: welcome ! and ... racists only ! 13:29:49 hi 13:29:55 are you a racist 13:30:51 i suppose you cannot define racist 13:31:05 btw you're kind of annoying can you go away 13:31:19 i suppose by saying racist you mean racist discrimination too 13:31:55 ssh elliott that's rude 13:32:59 ssh: Could not resolve hostname elliott: Name or service not known 13:40:26 About $764 or about $317 for a new monitor... Hm. The more expensive one is significantly nicer though... 13:50:29 newstalker, Wouldn't a racist be someone like Michael Schumacher? ;) 13:51:55 was that a joke 13:52:03 it appears to be so 13:52:07 we may never know the true intent 13:52:35 mnoqy, yes it was 13:52:47 Phantom_Hoover: wrong 13:52:50 mnoqy, wasn't the ";)" obvious enough? 13:52:50 anthropologists conclude that it can only have come from a being with a radically less-developed sense of humour than modern humans 13:53:47 qualified experts tend to agree 13:54:30 thunderstorms, bbl 13:54:46 -!- Vorpal has quit (Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net). 13:55:55 mnoqy: did that answer your question ? 13:56:23 i still don't understand it, but at least he tried 13:56:33 hi whats going oin 13:56:45 vorpal tried to make a joke 13:56:49 newstalker is crazy 13:56:57 vorpal is an idiot 13:56:58 hi newstalker 13:56:59 news at 11 13:57:03 are you a news talker or a new stalker 13:57:04 hi nooodl 13:57:10 we already did that one nooodl 13:57:20 remember news-ham? those were the days 13:57:36 the days where we had news 13:57:55 i want news-ham back 13:58:00 why was news-ham ever deactivated 13:58:06 too bad i need a new silly language to be enamoured with to write any silly bots 13:58:12 Phantom_Hoover: i lost the code 13:58:15 NO 13:58:19 UNACCEPTABLE 13:58:28 zepto imo 13:58:35 nooodl, you're young and impressionable WRITE A NEW NEWS-HAM 13:58:39 i bet the next one will be in a concatenative language 13:58:42 seems like "the time" 13:58:48 to be enamoured with a silly concatenative language 13:58:54 what's that :-( 13:59:03 sorry nobody understands news-ham but me 13:59:03 are there any silly concatenative languages worth being enamoured over 13:59:21 it gives you random headlines when you say 'news-ham' or 'what are the haps my friends' 13:59:24 mnoqy: well factor is pretty cute but probably it's too "#esoteric mainstream" to be enamoured with 13:59:27 i think they were from the bbc? 13:59:31 i think cat is cute? "iirc" 13:59:40 elliott: there's also the thing where sgeo went on a factor trip 13:59:46 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:59:46 elliott: and evincar went on a concatenative trip 13:59:52 and wrote a concatenative blog post 13:59:53 mnoqy: well, he went on a PicoLisp trip too 13:59:54 and 13:59:57 ah yes 13:59:58 and news-ham was written in PicoLisp 14:00:00 i remember that 14:00:03 "not an obstacle" 14:00:08 hm 14:00:15 you did that while sgeo was on his picolisp trip right 14:00:23 yeah i think so 14:00:26 you should write new-s-ham in rebol 14:00:28 so i guess the next one has to be rebol 14:00:31 "snap' 14:00:33 ' 14:00:36 it wouldnt be a retread though 14:00:38 i dont do sequels 14:01:00 i just want news-ham back ;_; 14:01:26 ...o.O have I actually been causing people to try out the category of languages of whatever language I'm tripping on? 14:01:27 all things must pass 14:01:44 no Sgeo_, sorry 14:04:30 dinosaur bones that are carbon dated in general will come out only a couple of thousand years old 14:04:47 therefor the results of dinosaur bones that are carbon dated are dismissed 14:05:54 -!- elieser2241 has joined. 14:05:56 the earth also got a 100 million years older this year 14:06:05 `fetch http://api.bbcnews.appengine.co.uk/stories/uk 14:06:07 2013-06-02 14:06:05 URL:http://api.bbcnews.appengine.co.uk/stories/uk [19808] -> "uk.1" [1] 14:06:08 carbon dating... doesn't work for more than a few thousand years but why am i saying this 14:06:12 `run python -c "import random, json; print random.choice(json.loads(open('uk').read())['stories'])['description']" 14:06:14 Lady Anne Glenconner, one of the Queen's six maids of honour at the Coronation in 1953, talks about her memories of the day. 14:06:19 `run python -c "import random, json; print random.choice(json.loads(open('uk').read())['stories'])['description']" 14:06:21 A feature on American jargon in "soccer" generated a huge response. Here, readers share their favourite - and least favourite - descriptions of their favourite sport by overseas announcers. 14:06:52 elliott, was it just the bbc headlines btw 14:06:54 man i probably want title instead for more headlineyness 14:06:59 `run python -c "import random, json; print random.choice(json.loads(open('uk').read())['stories'])['title']" 14:07:00 Sporting terms that divide the English-speaking world 14:07:08 Is that like (the beginnings of) an automated "what's up?"-answerer? 14:07:45 too bad HackEgo can't fetch files from within python 14:07:49 don't you remember news-ham, fizzie 14:07:56 or can it?? 14:08:17 <@BBC> Title: Cheerios Forced to Shut Down Comments on New Ad Featuring Interracial Family | TheBlaze.com 14:08:21 nooodl: It can fetch files from whitelisted domains. 14:08:48 (Or at least `run wget can, so presumably `run python can as well.) 14:09:07 (google.com is the only whitelisted domain I know of, though.) 14:09:27 Phantom_Hoover: no it was more 14:09:28 ssshh british BULLSHIT coporation ... 14:09:31 it had topics and multiple sources and everything 14:09:36 fizzie: btw can you get rid of newstalker 14:09:59 i was about to say, does this meet our ops' ridiculously high standard for banning 14:10:04 nooodl: also it's not a proper news-ham if you have to use "symbols" and stuff to invoke it 14:10:09 nooodl: it needs to be natural 14:10:20 yeah that's a bad :( 14:11:19 Phantom_Hoover: Not all of them are as bad as I when it comes to that, really. 14:12:03 well, ais isn't 14:12:12 have you looked at /lastlog newstalker 14:12:14 imo it's educational 14:12:31 lastlog gasoline is nice too 14:12:36 oerjan is eager to ban channel regulars who undermine his authority but not actual disruptive idiots 14:12:43 Phantom_Hoover: oh, shut up 14:12:50 elliott, no you shut up 14:13:03 -!- masliksis has quit (Quit: Page closed). 14:16:15 i may put this channel on autojoin 14:16:25 thanks 14:17:02 * newstalker tosses mnoqy a cookie 14:17:12 thanks 14:18:27 . Turkeys capital calm after night of clashes <--- duh rioters gotta sleep too 14:18:28 -!- Sgeo_ has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:18:41 could take shifts 14:19:39 -!- Sgeo has joined. 14:19:48 theyve been out all night rioting in the streets theyre tired 14:20:08 fizzie: what do we have to get them to do to qualify 14:20:11 i'm up for anything 14:21:45 take a chill pill and peace out 14:22:09 ask kmc for details[drug joke] 14:23:17 -!- carado has joined. 14:25:31 they got a new secret surveillance program in the UK called "elliott" 14:27:02 * newstalker points finger at elliott and laughs 14:27:05 fizzie: how about i ping you every time newstalker says something 14:27:10 fizzie: so it annoys you personally 14:27:25 -!- elieser2241 has left. 14:27:37 maybe if you hadnt been such a jerk he woudlnt be bothering you 14:27:54 mnoqy: im a sinner 14:28:08 then repent to the lord jesus 14:28:43 newstalker: what's it like in leiden 14:28:49 -yrs, the elliott surveillance program 14:28:54 and yes ... a ban would surely give you some time to repent 14:30:33 a while ago i got reminded of that one other guy who came in and got in a spat with elliott after talking about aliens and pyramids and stuff and it got out of control 14:30:39 and now its reminding me of that again 14:30:44 you dont want that to happen again do you 14:31:03 were cool 14:31:21 mnoqy: that was great 14:31:30 didnt they get banned eventually though 14:31:34 so its clearly a winning formula 14:31:34 yeah 14:31:43 fizzie take noe!11 14:31:44 ugh 14:31:47 fizzie take note!!! 14:31:49 typing is really hard 14:31:50 my shift key is bad 14:32:00 divine justice 14:32:13 you should get a kick for interfering with ops tho 14:32:22 mnoqy: wait i have a plan 14:32:25 (looking like a dork when you type !s is the divine punishment for being a jerk) 14:32:26 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v newstalker. 14:32:30 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -v newstalker. 14:32:34 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v newstalker. 14:32:38 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: -v newstalker. 14:32:40 r u intimidated 14:32:47 elliott are you trying to get your +v privileges revoked!!!! 14:32:58 i think you'll find my +v privileges are divine 14:33:08 more like a +v right, really 14:33:13 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 14:33:25 we call em jewtags 14:33:51 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 14:33:56 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Changing host). 14:33:56 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 14:33:58 fizzie: does that count as blatant enough or do we have to push it a bit more 14:33:59 no i think only you call them that 14:34:50 now wheres that fucken penguin 14:35:02 penguin? 14:36:04 wiki? 14:37:10 Penguins are sea - birds. They form the family Spheniscidae, the only family of the order Sphenisciformes. Penguins live on the southern half of the world 14:37:20 ah ok 14:37:35 URL: https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penguin 14:38:34 -!- masliksis has joined. 14:38:43 I'm working with a C++ based language so not everything will be the same as C++, eg.. "Int_t" is this program's equivalent of "Int" for C++. But i was curious about one of the syntax here. after finishing a struct, i thought you were supposed to do an int main. What would the "staff_t staff;" line do? http://pastebin.ca/2387639 14:40:51 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 14:40:53 it defines the type of staff 14:41:35 newstalker: so it it declares a variables of type staff_t? 14:41:35 and gives you one staff_t instance 14:41:49 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 14:42:20 and in c++ it calls the staff_t constructor 14:43:01 and destructor on exit 14:45:10 newstalker: You sure? 14:46:20 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 14:47:03 tree->Fill(); <-- its empty 14:47:16 -!- heroux has joined. 14:53:39 newstalker: and? 14:53:56 its your program 14:54:18 masliksis: you just joined so you may not be aware that newstalker is a troll 14:54:42 elliott is pratically useless 14:55:47 true 14:55:56 and homosexual 14:56:30 one out of two isn't bad 14:56:33 fizzie: hi 14:56:56 yuck 14:57:01 elliott: I think he was hitting on you. 14:57:13 not what the Lord jesus tought us 14:58:59 why isnt newstalker banned 14:59:08 newstalker: I think you could stop with the insults and the trolly-preachy stuff. 14:59:11 we dont ban people here in #esoteric 14:59:18 nooodl: Because of the aforementioned high standards for banning, I suppose. 14:59:34 fizzie: Could you help me please? :) 14:59:39 It's kind of like it's a great honor to be banned from #esoteric, and diluting it would be silly. 14:59:41 i don't really think they're high so much as nonexistent 15:00:10 like i actually can't remember a single person who has been banned long-term before their not being banned becomes some kind of running joke 15:00:20 masliksis: I don't know what sort of help you need. Re "no main", if it's the ROOT C++ interpreter thing, I don't think it requires a main function, you can just write a "script". You already got an explanation for the line; it's declaring a variable. 15:00:30 fizzie: i think i might have actually been set +b more than anyone else 15:00:32 maybe PH has overtaken me though 15:00:36 true honours 15:01:12 masliksis: btw have you been welcomed yet 15:01:14 `welcome newstalker 15:01:17 newstalker: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 15:01:30 er 15:01:32 =) 15:01:32 good typo 15:01:34 thankyou 15:01:38 pretend that said you instead 15:01:40 -!- variable has quit (Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero). 15:02:00 `relcome masliksis 15:02:03 ​masliksis: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 15:02:38 :D 15:03:13 This channel: mostly about silly welcomes. 15:03:22 -!- wood has joined. 15:03:57 cute getting it bolded like that 15:04:21 `run WeLcOmE fizzie | rainwords | h # nobody ever welcomes me :( 15:04:24 ​FihZzIe: WehLcOhmE To tHe ihNtEhrNahTiOhnAhl hUhb fOhr ehSohTehRihC PrOhgRahMmIhnG LahNgUahGe dEhsIhgN AhnD DehPlOyhMehNt! FohR MohRe ihNfOhrMahTiOhn, ChEhcK OuhT OuhR WihKi: HtTp://ehSohLahNgS.OhrG/WihKi/mAihN_PahGe. (fOhr tHe ohThEhr kIhnD Ohf ehSohTehRihCa, TrY #ehSohTehRihC Ohn 15:04:37 `run relcome nooodl | rnooodl 15:04:40 ​nooooooodl: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 15:05:01 This window looks like a unicorn threw up in it. 15:05:11 `run WeLcOmE fizzie | h | hyphenate.fi | rainwords 15:05:16 ​FihZ-zIe: WehL-cOh-mE To tHe ihN-tEhr-Nah-Ti-Oh-nAhl hUhb fOhr eh-Soh-Teh-RihC PrOhg-RahM-mIhnG LahN-gU-ah-Ge dEh-sIhgN AhnD DehP-lO-yh-MehNt! FohR Moh-Re ihN-fOhr-Mah-Ti-Ohn, ChEhcK OuhT OuhR Wih-Ki: HtTp://eh-Soh-LahNgS.OhrG/Wih-Ki/mAihN_Pah-Ge. (fOhr tHe ohT-hEhr kIhnD Ohf eh-Soh-Teh-R 15:05:29 LahN-gU-ah-Ge 15:05:35 ion: I'm all about the PrOhg-RahM-mIhnG. 15:06:02 my eyes are all kinds of hurt now 15:06:20 olsner: ITYM all "kIhnDs". 15:06:38 -!- wood has changed nick to function. 15:06:39 yes, in bold and bright colors 15:06:44 -!- function has quit (Changing host). 15:06:45 -!- function has joined. 15:06:53 luckily, I don't know how to do that 15:07:03 you can do this too 15:09:59 Insert a space in the beginning? 15:10:30 it blinks ideally 15:12:39 -!- masliksis has quit (Quit: Page closed). 15:12:52 -!- copumpkin has joined. 15:40:42 -!- Taneb has joined. 15:45:09 -!- fwilson has joined. 15:47:33 -!- Vorpal has joined. 15:51:24 -!- phaztrict has joined. 15:51:41 -!- fwilson has left. 15:55:46 `welcome nooodl 15:55:49 ​Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 15:57:03 wait why does that work/do what it does 15:57:28 it's just a program called \x03welcome i guess 15:58:02 How would you open a file in f#? 15:58:05 http://ideone.com/f8vtR0 15:58:17 `hexdump -C bin/welcome 15:58:19 hexdump: invalid option -- ' ' \ usage: hexdump [-bcCdovx] [-e fmt] [-f fmt_file] [-n length] \ [-s skip] [file ...] \ hd [-bcdovx] [-e fmt] [-f fmt_file] [-n length] \ [-s skip] [file ...] 15:58:28 `run hexdump -C bin/welcome 15:58:29 00000000 23 21 2f 62 69 6e 2f 73 68 0a 77 65 6c 63 6f 6d |#!/bin/sh.welcom| \ 00000010 65 20 7c 20 73 65 64 20 22 73 2f 5e 2f 02 2f 22 |e | sed "s/^/./"| \ 00000020 0a |.| \ 00000021 15:58:30 Input (file to open) http://pastebin.ca/2387667 15:58:59 um maybe I should've `cat'd it 15:59:17 Anyone? 16:06:03 phaztrict: that problem sounds ridiculously googlable. 16:06:23 Not in f# 16:07:05 i'm a little confused about the joining #esoteric to ask an f# question part 16:07:10 surely there is an #fsharp or something 16:07:36 surely there is stackoverflow 16:07:37 Isn't it an esoteric Lang? 16:07:43 not really 16:07:44 no 16:07:48 And I did ask in #fsharp 16:07:56 How is haskell esoteric then? 16:08:01 it isn't 16:08:26 There is a bot for it in here :p 16:09:18 lambdabot is in lots of channels 16:09:18 EgoBot's not written in an esolang either 16:09:41 @listchans 16:09:42 ##crypto ##freebsd ##logic ##proggit ##unavailable ##villagegreen #agda #codez #darcs #diagrams #esoteric #fedora-haskell #friendly-coders #functionaljava #gentoo-haskell #gentoo-uy #ghc #happs # 16:09:42 haskell #haskell-blah #haskell-books #haskell-br #haskell-fr #haskell-freebsd #haskell-game #haskell-gsoc #haskell-in-depth #haskell-lens #haskell-overflow #haskell-pl #haskell.au #haskell.cz # 16:09:42 haskell.de #haskell.es #haskell.se #haskell.tw #learnanycomputerlanguage #ledger #macosx #macosxdev #rosettacode #scala #scalaz #scannedinavian #snapframework #tanuki #teamunix #unicycling #xmonad # 16:09:42 yi weird# 16:10:23 must resist urge to join 16:11:19 btw "open a file f#" does get me useful-looking results on google FWIW 16:14:07 Wish I could say the same for me 16:14:38 well, we may have differing notions of useful :) 16:18:09 -!- newstalker has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 16:20:43 elliott, should I do the thing 16:20:51 what is the thing 16:20:59 Who cares 16:21:01 Nothing illegal 16:22:06 then sure 16:22:22 Okay 16:24:53 Help I'm doing the thing 16:24:57 help 16:25:15 It is out of my hands now 16:25:58 what are you doing 16:26:13 Taneb: masturbation is normal 16:26:19 -!- copumpkin has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 16:26:40 oklopol, not that thing 16:26:40 wait "out of my hands" 16:27:43 well having sex with a couch is normal too 16:28:27 No, not that thing either 16:28:58 okay i'm out of ideas 16:30:58 -!- copumpkin has joined. 16:32:52 The thing is done 16:33:03 Now I don't need to work out how to get to Gateshead Library 16:38:49 -!- conehead has joined. 16:56:07 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 16:59:43 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:15:07 -!- function has quit (Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero). 17:19:23 -!- zzo38 has joined. 17:30:16 -!- phaztrict has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 17:34:02 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 17:35:37 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:35:43 -!- DH____ has joined. 17:44:46 -!- DH____ has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 17:48:53 Being a total emacs newbie, i was trying org-mode and a tutorial told me to add some lines to ~/.emacs. Only after adding them using the method of editing text ingrained to my spinal nerves i realized there was something funny about the command i had used, “vim .emacs”. 17:49:04 * elliott does that a lot 17:49:44 Nothing wrong with vim .emacs 17:50:45 oh boy i just used the best word 17:50:51 diæresisise 17:51:49 diarrhœisise 17:52:25 Aircraft carries are too powerful in this "Task Force Broadside" game. You cannot attack them with broadside cards while other ships are in play, and you can attack with them without having a "aircraft carrier broadside" card, and when they do attack, they have a 50% chance to sink the ship they attack. 17:58:43 sounds about right. 17:58:57 aircraft carriers are p. useful 18:04:42 can i be aircraft carrier 18:05:27 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 18:15:22 -!- hagb4rd2 has joined. 18:16:49 -!- hagb4rd has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 18:23:44 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 18:25:10 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 18:26:31 http://j00ru.vexillium.org/?p=1870 some cool stuff here 18:34:00 if you ever wondered what happens when a REP STOSB overwrites the instruction being repeated 18:34:07 then now you can find out 18:35:34 I *have* wondered about kX overwriting the X in Funge-98; is that covered in the slides too? 18:38:00 -!- sprocklem has joined. 18:38:35 no 18:38:40 http://lifehacker.com/5974087/i-raised-my-kids-on-the-command-lineand-they-love-it how to teach your kids xmonad 18:43:58 sounds like a great idea 18:44:12 more people should try that 18:48:38 Why did they omit - in "lineand" isn't it supposed to be "line-and"? 18:51:15 kmc: hey john goerzen 18:51:16 he's that guy 18:51:18 I wish my parents told me how to use xmonad 18:51:26 well it didn't exist yet but anyway 18:53:17 elliott: yep 18:53:57 Who's John Goerzen? kmc? 18:54:06 I wonder if that's the first useful use of rep rep rep rep rep rep rep rep rep rep rep rep rep rep rep movsb 18:54:42 ... and then the slide after that 18:54:47 i am not john goerzen 18:54:58 Oh, okay 18:55:13 so who's "that guy" elliott was referring too 18:55:25 john goerzen 18:55:38 it's all very simple really 18:58:12 no two people are not john goerzen 18:58:32 so two people are john goerzen? 18:58:48 no, john goerzen is two people 18:58:52 didn't you learn about contrapositives 19:00:57 my kids will be raised on @ 19:01:00 (vacuous statement) 19:01:45 kmc: also weird, that article is from 2012 19:02:31 so 19:02:55 well i mean it is from 2012 and then posted on lifehacker a year later 19:02:59 kmc: Actually, that's not at all the law of contraposition 19:03:08 imo that's weird. in my day you wrote something down once and then if you wrote it down again you would be hanged 19:03:12 bring back hangings 19:03:19 that is, john goerzen does not follow from two people 19:03:30 there was cleary equality in that situation 19:03:47 not (two people != john goerzen) <=> two people == john goerzen 19:04:30 first comments "My kids just use Windows 7 like normal people." "No offence, but they’ll be normal and not extraordinary.." 19:04:41 Well, maybe you could say (john goerzen <=> two people) <=> john goerzen xor two people 19:05:06 which is, as you can see, not the same as equality 19:05:21 john goerzen >>= two people 19:05:35 i do think it's kinda weird to pretend computers don't do graphics for five years or whatvver 19:05:49 and the "command line" is a bit fetishised 19:06:10 yeah, but he says the kid had exposure to other devices to 19:06:10 like even if you want a language-y type interface with composability and stuff, terminals in xmonad seem clearly superior to the console 19:06:11 o 19:06:18 yeah 19:06:34 language for input, graphics for output 19:06:39 is basically the way things should work 19:06:57 yet still fairly rare 19:07:21 i'm thinking stuff like mathematica, ipython notebook, graphical emacs in its fancier uses 19:07:51 no kid should have to use mathematica 19:08:06 but look what it can do!!!!!!!!!!!!!! http://intothecontinuum.tumblr.com/ 19:08:29 would not be surprised to find out this tumblr is guerilla marketing by wolfram co to sell mathematica to stoners 19:08:29 teach kids perl. it'll work 19:08:47 oh no 19:08:53 oh dear 19:09:12 i did a lot of my early programming in perl 19:09:49 the summer after freshman year of college i had a comp bio research project thing and I handed them like 2000 lines of bioinformatics code in perl 19:10:02 a year later was much the same except it was 2000 lines of haskell 19:10:03 cool 19:10:18 i always wanted to learn perl for just one silly reason, but i can't find anything (except small irssi scripts) which cannot be done with other languages in a way i like more 19:10:51 kmc: um you mean 200 lines of haskell "thats how it works ☺" 19:11:07 combining face shoved in toilet above, elliott 19:11:17 it's still a great tool for oneliners thanks to perl -e -n -p -l -a -F -O etc 19:11:34 perl --bioinformat 19:11:46 is bioinformatting what bioinformatters do 19:12:22 no doubt 19:12:56 The Bioinforma 19:13:48 is that, like, a dude who raps about bioinformatics 19:13:59 bioperforma 19:14:25 my name is dj acid and i'm here to tell you about efficient description of frameshift mutations 19:14:39 dj acid should rap about database consistency 19:14:58 dj acid2 19:14:59 or drugz (drugz joke) 19:15:22 http://www.webstandards.org/files/acid2/reference.png 19:15:33 test so named because the dude looks like he's on acid 19:15:40 think so 19:15:51 (it isn't :'( ) 19:15:54 not just acid though, acid 2.0 19:15:59 disrupting the acid industry 19:16:14 ok 19:16:16 guys 19:16:19 what if 19:16:25 your browser had a bug in your png rendering 19:16:29 *in its 19:16:33 kmc: i got a card with 4 stamps for that sushi place 19:16:39 so it displayed the reference wrong 19:16:41 because none of the rest of you did 19:16:52 haha 19:16:53 well done 19:16:57 Phantom_Hoover: time to die 19:17:12 how many stamps are needed to redeem valuable prize 19:17:26 10, I think. 19:17:54 acid3 isn't smooth. FAILURE 19:18:16 no one cares about acid tests 19:18:35 oh nooooo 19:18:42 what about electric kool aid ones 19:18:52 -!- kallisti has joined. 19:18:52 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 19:18:52 -!- kallisti has joined. 19:19:51 there should be an acid test to test whether you're drugz 19:20:34 is kmc drugz 19:22:14 kmc was talking about how commercial gps devices stop working when they're too high 19:22:30 it's true 19:22:33 too high and/or too fast 19:22:34 -!- elieser224 has joined. 19:22:36 just like kmc 19:22:39 (drugz joke) 19:22:45 can't triangulate right? 19:22:59 -!- elieser224 has left. 19:23:06 it's intentional, prevents them being used in missile guidance systems 19:23:23 figure 19:23:24 s 19:23:29 i wonder if rosscom has similar restrictions 19:23:32 ok seriously 19:23:39 or the... whatever it is. 19:23:42 14:11:44 -!- elieser224 [~elieser22@190.121.239.17] has joined #esoteric 19:23:42 14:11:51 -!- elieser224 [~elieser22@190.121.239.17] has left #esoteric [] 19:23:42 15:05:54 -!- elieser2241 [~elieser22@190.121.239.10] has joined #esoteric 19:23:42 15:27:25 -!- elieser2241 [~elieser22@190.121.239.10] has left #esoteric [] 19:23:42 20:22:34 -!- elieser224 [~elieser22@190.121.239.31] has joined #esoteric 19:23:45 20:22:58 -!- elieser224 [~elieser22@190.121.239.31] has left #esoteric [] 19:23:47 what the fuck is this person doing 19:23:48 glonass? 19:23:49 it's been going on for days 19:23:55 imo ##fixyourconnection hth 19:23:55 GLONASS? what kind of fucking name is that, russia. 19:24:00 shachaf: they're not even quitting 19:24:02 they're parting 19:24:05 elliott: i know 19:24:08 iPhone 4S supports GLONASS 19:24:08 "close enough" 19:24:14 GLObal kNow where you Are SystemS 19:24:20 i think there is a tariff on GPS devices that don't support GLONASS 19:24:35 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:24:37 but i like to think that all GLONASS receivers look like this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Glonass-receiver.jpg 19:24:39 `run echo 'echo "eliser224: hey what are you doing joining and parting all the time???? what's the deal"' >bin/e; chmod +x bin/e 19:24:40 bash: -c: line 0: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' \ bash: -c: line 1: syntax error: unexpected end of file 19:24:49 `run echo 'echo "eliser224: hey what are you doing joining and parting all the time???? what'"'"'s the deal"' >bin/e; chmod +x bin/e 19:24:50 that's eep. 19:24:53 No output. 19:24:54 `e 19:24:55 eliser224: hey what are you doing joining and parting all the time???? what's the deal 19:24:58 ok great 19:25:02 hopefully i can type `e fast enough 19:25:06 i... why did you make a program for that 19:25:07 oh. 19:25:10 because they are too quick 19:25:11 wow, ok. 19:25:16 by the time i notice them they are gone! 19:25:22 elliott: I sent them a /msg before and they didn't respond. 19:25:32 http://www.zazzle.com/eurion_constellation_t_shirt-235509764478000766 19:25:44 the real problem here is that Elieser sounds too much like Elsevier 19:26:10 t-shirt designed to fool t-shirt recognition systems 19:26:13 i searched for "eurion shirt" and i got lots of "urine shirt", thx google 19:26:24 hmm, a russian gps receiver ... isn't it fairly easy for the US to make GPS unusable for anyone they don't like? (like russia) 19:26:28 http://elieser224.wordpress.com/ 19:26:33 elsevier yudkowsky 19:26:45 olsner: glonass is the russian counterpart to gps, with its own satellites 19:27:19 yup and that's why they need it 19:27:24 the restrictions like kmc mentioned are probably a broad strokes thing to deal with non-state actors who don't have GPS devices registered to them or whatever, i'm sure 19:27:33 eu has their own thing too 19:27:46 this wordpress better be good (my system is slow) 19:27:52 has kmc bought me a new computer yet 19:27:55 and china 19:28:03 yes buy me china too 19:29:23 I confused GLONASS with one of those things that improve GPS precision (perhaps something involving the ionosphere) 19:29:36 Bike: hola mundo 19:29:39 (it just loaded) 19:29:52 ion: tell us about the ionosphere 19:31:45 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 19:34:23 -!- Bike has joined. 19:37:04 Jesus, the Syrian civil war's been going on for over two years now. 19:37:38 you know their government issued a travel advisory about going to turkey being unsafe? 19:37:41 good times. 19:37:59 Also GALILEO. 19:38:04 Except they probably don't all-caps it. 19:39:01 kmc: you should make a jit 19:39:12 Dance a jig, make a jit. 19:39:13 and the burmese "civil" "war" has been going since basically 1945, shit happens 19:40:56 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_conflict_in_Burma 19:41:19 i like how they only bother calculating death tolls for the last year or two 19:43:16 yeah 19:43:18 i should 19:43:20 Well, they haven't had a reliable census since, like, the Han dynasty. 19:44:30 shachaf: what do you think of futamura projections 19:44:53 i don't even own a television hth 19:45:04 i hope i am not talking out my ass when i say that pypy is like one 19:45:21 if you're talking out your ass it's probably because you're on drugz 19:45:38 will drugz jokes ever get old 19:45:41 they're like monoid jokes 19:45:42 timeless 19:45:58 hey guys there's a new brainfuck derivative 19:46:52 a new brainfuck diffintegral 19:47:10 we were watching 90s sketch comedy the other day for some reason 19:47:20 i had to recalibrate to a world of bob dole jokes 19:47:37 hulu should have little bubbles that pop up to explain who everyone is 19:48:17 can you imagine explaining to your kids who mitt romney was 19:48:29 futamura really needs to change his name to something that isn't a single vowel swap from futurama 19:48:44 "a very rich man who tried to run for president and lost because nobody liked him" 19:48:49 seems pretty straightforward 19:48:58 Phantom_Hoover: How about making it a consonant swap too? 19:49:26 If they say, "I'm a Sagittarius, which probably tells you way more than you need to know.", then what will be your response? 19:49:40 shachaf, fuck 19:49:45 who cares about consonants anyway 19:50:00 I might say, "Yes, but I don't think it tells me that which I do need to know." 19:51:23 kmc, oerjan: Do you think the whole "discrete calculus" thing is related to types? 19:51:41 is this about holes 19:51:41 As in http://www.cs.purdue.edu/homes/dgleich/publications/Gleich%202005%20-%20finite%20calculus.pdf 19:51:53 It's not that kind of derivative, I don't think. 19:52:02 oh, then i don't know 19:52:23 but it's like all combinatorial and like discrete and stuff man so surely it's related.................. 19:52:34 i will leave that up to others 19:52:36 Did you see that PDF? 19:52:45 the one you just linked? not yet 19:53:10 imo see it 19:54:49 hm 19:54:52 perhaps after burrito 19:55:45 http://twitpic.com/cuz9gf speaking of middle eastern wars (phantom hoover) 19:56:08 is turkey part of the middle east? i guess maybe not. 19:56:16 -!- elieser2241 has joined. 19:56:24 `e 19:56:25 eliser224: hey what are you doing joining and parting all the time???? what's the deal 19:56:42 Bike: it's "the crossroads between middle east and europe", hth 19:57:02 the slightly left of the middle east. got it 19:57:08 pretty creepy that there's a total local media blackout on these protests 19:57:21 and they cut off facebook / twitter at one point 19:58:08 yeah 19:58:32 i don't know contemporary turkish politics but it sure doesn't reflect well on whoever's in charge 19:59:40 yeah 20:00:22 Vorpal: `welcome to #xorg 20:00:24 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:00:47 especially since like, this started over a damn park 20:01:16 i see Phantom_Hoover is eager to get banned. also that he lacks a sense of humor. 20:01:46 do i lack a sense of humor 20:02:01 no, it's just very very wrong hth 20:02:22 is this out-of-channel drama 20:02:46 no, it's logreading drama 20:02:53 oh no what happened in the logs 20:03:09 you should ban the troll who said they'd put the channel on autojoin before they come back, ty 20:03:15 you can ban ph at the same time if you'd like too 20:03:23 elliott: ooh, tempting. 20:03:59 ah, the honeypot approach 20:04:04 no, wait, the carrot and the stick approach 20:04:09 or is it a trojan horse 20:04:11 shachaf: It’s the circular thing in which i reside. 20:04:13 -!- elieser2241 has left. 20:04:14 sweetening the deal! that one! 20:04:15 this new apartment stuff has interesting side effects: i'm now getting physical spam. 20:04:29 `addquote this new apartment stuff has interesting side effects: i'm now getting physical spam. 20:04:34 1045) this new apartment stuff has interesting side effects: i'm now getting physical spam. 20:04:34 oerjan: you should also ban this guy who keeps joining and parting. 20:04:38 oh i guess that `e didn't ping them 20:04:39 because of the 1 20:04:42 sneaky. 20:04:47 you should also ban conehead 20:05:01 O: 20:05:01 you can ban me twice if you do that as well 20:05:13 these are all very reasonable requests, i shall put them in my queue 20:05:17 oerjan: once you've done all that you can op me. 20:06:20 also voice gregor 20:06:29 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v Gregor. 20:06:59 Phantom_Hoover: also it's a trojan carrot honeypot hth 20:07:10 the trojans had some weird cuisine 20:07:27 carrots with honey isn't too mad 20:08:03 ...are you sure, PH? 20:08:44 also oerjan smells and i should be op instead of him 20:08:45 can i have voice 20:09:01 troerjan 20:14:28 http://hostilefork.com/rebmu/ REBOL dialect for code golfin 20:18:23 dialect for code goblin? 20:29:54 ^celebrate 20:29:54 \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ 20:29:55 | | | `\o/´ ¦ | | `\o/´ | | | 20:29:55 |\ >\ |\ | ´¸¨ /| >\ | /| /`\ /´\ 20:29:56 (_|¯'¯|_) /'\ 20:29:56 (_| |_) 20:30:02 bueatiful 20:30:34 i'm still worried about no. 5 20:31:01 not about 4 and 8? 20:31:10 Btw, how are æ and œ handwritten in countries that use them? I can think of multiple plausible ways. 20:31:29 myname: they don't look physically mauled 20:31:51 i think they do 20:31:57 http://i.imgur.com/hb0paB8.png 20:32:54 -!- clog has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:33:03 is wyoming usa's least populous state? 20:33:13 Pretty sure. 20:33:47 "List of U.S. states and territories by population" agrees. 20:34:00 Ha, it has less people than DC. 20:34:02 (Though some territories have less people.) 20:34:52 Alaska has the lowest score if you go by population density (1.264 per square mile, vs. Wyoming's 5.851), though. 20:35:08 ion: http://webster.hibo.no/alu/norsk2/web07/berit/alfabet.html 20:36:06 Å 20:36:07 ? 20:36:18 what's that doing there 20:37:16 Just hanging out with the other letters, I suppose. 20:37:47 oerjan: Thanks, but i’m interested of the drawing order of the curves. 20:38:17 -!- surma has quit (Quit: Connection closed for inactivity). 20:39:33 oh, it's actually a norwegian letter 20:39:39 learn something every day i guess 20:39:44 sheesh 20:40:47 isn't ø enough for you guys 20:40:55 å's a swedish letter as well 20:41:18 i thought it was only a swedish letter 20:42:20 I would think it's quite a different sound from ø; I mean, the å and ö of the Finnish alphabet are different. 20:42:27 ion: well i'm not sure i'm doing it properly myself, as i'd probably draw a part counterclockwise, upper e part counterclockwise, but i suspect that picture requires you to do the e clockwise 20:42:36 well ø is just ö 20:43:04 -!- kallisti has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 20:44:12 Norwegian å is pretty much swedish å, no? 20:44:25 -!- kallisti has joined. 20:44:25 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 20:44:25 -!- kallisti has joined. 20:45:03 Finnish å is pretty much Swedish å. 20:45:49 FireFly: i'm not sure it's exactly the same, but it's very close 20:45:59 (just to clarify in case someone knows as little about alphabets as i: finnish doesn't have å, but it's alphabet does) 20:46:43 To provide backwards compatibility with Swedish? 20:47:01 something like that 20:47:03 prolly 20:47:14 we also have things like w and x 20:47:17 and z 20:47:34 That's like q in swedish I guess 20:47:41 none of which are used in finnish words (except some loanwords, but then again those use a lot of letters our alphabet doesn't have) 20:47:44 and q yeah 20:47:45 and z perhaps 20:47:55 å was probably handy back when everyone in finland was forced to learn swedish 20:48:02 W we have in some Finnish-enough surnames. (Waltari, for example.) 20:48:07 olsner: Everyone still is. 20:48:23 “back” when everyone in Finland “was” forced to learn Swedish? 20:48:24 really? 20:48:30 you totally fucked up this quote <-- well for one thing it should have been in french, no? 20:48:39 olsner: Sure. The requirement is a popular point of debate, though. 20:48:45 I thought finland became "independent" at some point 20:48:48 olsner: There's a petition to abolish it and so on. 20:48:53 olsner: Hah 20:49:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandatory_Swedish <- notable! 20:50:26 http://hu.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakkoruotsi apparently this is really important 20:51:04 The logo is kind of misleading, in that I don't think they're actually advocating the removal of Å from the alphabet. 20:51:09 (Except maybe as a long-term goal?) 20:51:15 language is the weirdest 20:51:19 let's just abolish words 20:51:33 fizzie: you should just switch to unicode as the alphabet 20:51:33 https://twitter.com/0xabad1dea/status/340964678807216128 https://github.com/search?p=3&q=extension%3Aphp+mysql_query+%24_GET&ref=searchresults&type=Code 20:52:02 don't do it ion!!!!!!! 20:52:11 olsner: At least it would make those "write every letter of the alphabet" exercises kids have to do in school a lot more "fun". 20:52:25 shachaf: no u 20:52:43 ion: (i was talking "about the so easy thing") 20:52:47 shachaf: i know 20:53:19 U+0003 is end of text, so I guess you don't have to go any further than that 20:53:38 end of text 20:53:57 The “write every letter of the alphabet” exercises would have been much nicer if you only had to write U+0001…U+0003. 20:54:08 Especially considering they're all control characters 20:54:14 a 20:54:19 <- END OF MEDIUM 20:54:26 Why did that not end this channel. 20:54:27 END OF PSYCHIC 20:58:48 Some pimples , especially schoolchildren and especially in those parts of Finland where there are few or no Swedish speakers ( Finns ), want to make Swedish an optional subject. http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fsv.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FObligatorisk_svenskundervisning_i_Finland&act=url 20:59:01 some pimples :D 20:59:19 -!- elieser224 has joined. 20:59:26 -!- elieser224 has left. 20:59:33 It is argued that the Swedish-speaking population in Finland (5.5 percent of the population [2] ) have mastered Finnish so well that a pimple not in touch with these would need some knowledge of Swedish. 21:00:01 "[This article is about the community. For skin condition, see Acne.] Pimples are people who have Finnish as their mother tongue , for example in Finland , Russia , Estonia , Sweden or Norway , or in the more general sense identifies with origins in Finnish culture and Finnish languages ​ ." 21:00:11 TIL: pimples. 21:00:25 "In Sweden, not everyone is aware of the distinction pimple-Finns and therefore, --" 21:01:44 what an unfortunate demonym. 21:02:21 "Pimple and proud of it," I think their slogan is. 21:03:41 dahlnet <-- THAT'S IT I HAVE TO BAN YOU NOW. OH LOOK, BUTTERFLIES! 21:04:02 oerjan: hang on hang on who's talking about dahlnet 21:04:09 oerjan is 21:04:11 imo ban him 21:04:11 shachaf: Phantom_Hoover was 21:04:18 imo dahlnet is the best 21:04:39 fizzie: is pimple a translation from finnish dwh 21:04:40 we could do with some roald dahl inspired esolangs 21:04:46 *twh 21:05:18 `pastlog oerjan.*bfg 21:05:36 2013-04-13.txt:21:44:48: * oerjan invites a giant (not BFG) to shachaf's home 21:05:40 doom inspired esolangs 21:05:50 oerjan: wow 21:05:56 cruelty to people 21:06:08 shachaf: no no it's feeding hungry people hth 21:06:31 `pastlog dahl 21:06:38 2010-01-17.txt:00:23:33: I like to imagine space elevators are exactly as Roald Dahl imagined. 21:06:49 what 21:06:57 Space. Elevators. 21:07:05 Roald. Dahl. 21:07:05 oh 21:07:39 dahl's space elevators are the best 21:08:02 they are the best way to elevate into dahlspace 21:08:20 is Dahlspace a brothel 21:08:23 not necessarily best for other purposes such as eating 21:08:38 Stop dihlly-dahllying around. 21:10:03 https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&q=dahl 21:10:35 https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=dahl&tbs=imgo:1 21:12:03 my sister had to dress up as a roald dahl character for some school thing once 21:12:29 i suggested she dress as the lady from lamb to the slaughter; sadly this suggestion was declined 21:12:57 Based on 20 images, #794e57 is the color of Dahl. 21:13:24 what's the link to that thing again 21:13:32 i think i lost it and i deeply regret doing so 21:13:33 http://zem.fi/fcolor 21:13:42 (For the Flickr version.) 21:16:40 thus far "phantom hoover" is a fairly disappointing http://zem.fi/gcolor-examples 21:16:57 er 21:17:10 8f5f3e 21:17:16 fucking clipboard 21:17:57 Many things do end up greyish-brown in the end. 21:18:44 why didn't you use google images for the in-browser version 21:18:46 too slow or something? 21:18:54 There wasn't a proper API for it. 21:18:59 I'm not sure if there is these days. 21:19:35 The non-browser version is done by ugly crawling, if I recall correctly. 21:19:36 is greyish-brown the color of the internet? 21:20:03 http://thisrecording.com/today/2011/6/1/in-which-we-consider-the-macabre-unpleasantness-of-roald-dah.html 21:21:49 kmc: you're missing out on wild speculation on comonoids 21:21:57 fizzie, i note that there are a few greyscale images which are massively skewing the results 21:22:40 kmc: oh no 21:22:46 kmc: is dr seuss still ok 21:22:57 Phantom_Hoover: Yeah, should probably have done something about that. (It's of course due to the weighting that tries to generally emphasize "single-color" images.) 21:23:01 like besides the racism, or 21:23:20 kmc, i think an important stage in one's development is looking back at roald dahl stories and thinking "jesus christ what the fuck" 21:23:32 Bike: i have probably thought of dr seuss like ten times since actually reading the books, i didn't know he was racist! 21:24:06 Well, back in WWII he made some rather unfortunate political cartoons involving the Japanese. 21:24:10 I think he got over it later, though. 21:24:23 "I am all fucked out. That goddamn woman has absolutely screwed me from one end of the room to the other for three goddam nights." pretty hilarious to imagine roald dahl writing this 21:24:40 yes 21:24:56 Bike, "After the war, though, Geisel overcame his feelings of animosity, using his book Horton Hears a Who! (1954) as an allegory for the Hiroshima bombing and the American post-war occupation of Japan, as well as dedicating the book to a Japanese friend." 21:25:05 yeah 21:25:08 elliott, you know what lamb to the slaughter is about right 21:25:15 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:25:26 Phantom_Hoover: i was hitherto unaware of its existence 21:25:30 also his wife and him were real mad about people using "horton hears a who" as an anti-abortion thing 21:25:45 i read it ages ago when i found it in a school library 21:25:58 as i recall my immediate reaction was 'jesus what the fuck' 21:26:05 man, a lot of the roald dahl books i read were published in the 80s 21:26:13 they... felt a lot older, somehow 21:26:24 Phantom_Hoover: well, that's, pretty dark. 21:26:28 the only other story i remember from that collection was something to do with a guy betting his daughter on a friend not being able to work out where some wine is from 21:26:29 never heard of it before now. 21:26:49 I have, however, read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Jelly_(short_story) 21:27:00 Which is pretty "jesus what the fuck" inducing. 21:27:23 ...wait, there was a Twilight Zone Magazine? 21:27:25 Phantom_Hoover: i think i'm having a "jesus christ what the fuck" moment about The Witches right now 21:27:31 what was up with that book 21:27:44 n.b. my recollections are very vague 21:27:44 i think i had that moment whilst actually reading it 21:27:49 -!- mnoqy has joined. 21:27:54 mnoqy: hi 21:27:54 it was a bit too jesus christ what the fuck even for my young mind 21:28:00 Hey 21:28:04 huh 21:28:08 what does that mean 21:28:15 i think The Witches is pretty much a wakeup call for lots of kids 21:28:30 mnoqy: you missed out on some good -lens 21:28:43 Bike, that what, roald dahl books are extremely weird? 21:28:47 yeah. 21:29:12 also that women are evil "wake up sheeple" 21:29:33 imagine a time where people could use the word "sheeple" without immediately giggling. could it exist 21:29:46 wasn't it originally made up as a joke? 21:29:53 http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/4/41/TheWitches.jpg 21:30:12 Alternative forms: sheople 21:30:16 how can you look at this and think it is anything but some kind of surreal horror novel 21:30:26 Bike: wow that short story synopsis 21:30:35 was the witches the book with the mouse maker 21:30:38 elliott: it's weirder actually reading it, i assure you 21:30:41 shachaf: yeah 21:30:52 my parents got me a roald dahl omnibus with that story and others like it in it 21:31:00 @wn omnibus 21:31:01 *** "omnibus" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 21:31:01 omnibus 21:31:01 adj 1: providing for many things at once; "an omnibus law" 21:31:01 n 1: an anthology of articles on a related subject or an 21:31:01 anthology of the works of a single author 21:31:03 i was pretty much beyond the "kid" stage by then, but still, jfc 21:31:03 [4 @more lines] 21:31:11 wow weird word 21:31:15 was the witches the book with the mouse maker 21:31:15 Good word. 21:31:17 aah, the one with the mice and something ... I don't remember what else it was about, but vaguely recall liking it 21:31:27 yes and the ending is the protagonist getting turned into a mouse 21:31:35 Haha, oh man. 21:31:39 and he's like "oh i guess i only have 9 years left to live, cool" 21:31:49 «The Wall Street Journal first reported the label ["sheeple"] in print in 1984; the reporter heard the word used by the proprietor of an American Opinion bookstore affiliated with the John Birch Society.[1] In this usage, taxpayers were derided for their blind conformity as opposed to those who thought independently.» 21:31:50 Phantom_Hoover: man i think that ending gave me emotional issues 21:31:56 john birch society is the best imo 21:32:01 Phantom_Hoover: i was like... would i be okay with being a mouse 21:32:22 Bike: wait, wait. holy shit. i thought sheeple was like, an archaic or made up plural or singular or something of "sheep" 21:32:28 Bike: it's... literally sheep + people... 21:32:33 eh? no it's- yeah. 21:32:34 what 21:32:39 how dumb are you elliott 21:32:41 elliott: you didn't know? 21:32:50 haven't you ever heard "a sheeperson" 21:33:02 man "people" is such a weird fucking word though 21:33:04 i think the essential lesson one must learn from roald dahl is that children themselves are essentially evil 21:33:07 apparently it's from etruscan?? what 21:33:13 i said essential twice that's not good 21:33:14 sheeple is now even funnier to me 21:33:25 ok so back to my emotional issues re: being a mouse 21:33:32 "Originally a singular noun (e.g. The people is hungry, and weary, and thirsty, in the wilderness --2 Samuel 17:29, King James Version)" this is bullshit 21:33:35 mice are pretty cool 21:33:37 don't think i'd want to be one 21:33:43 well i was like 21:33:49 shit i wouldn't be able to do anything 21:33:53 everything would have to do things for me 21:33:58 Having returned home, the boy and his grandmother then concoct a plan to destroy all of the world's witches. Learning the location of the witches castle from the hotel's records, they will travel to the Grand High Witch's Norwegian castle (having stolen her notebook), use the potion to change her successor and retainers into mice, then release cats into the castle to kill them. Using the Grand High Witch's money-making machine and information ... 21:33:58 ...and that's how I got where I am today 21:33:59 maybe if i could be like, every mouse? that might be ok. 21:34:04 ... on the whereabouts of all of the world's witches, they will repeat the process all over the world. The grandmother also reveals that as a mouse, the boy will probably only live about another nine years, but the boy doesn't mind it, because he doesn't want to live any longer than his grandmother. 21:34:09 i didn't remember that........ 21:34:11 Bike: like a rat king 21:34:12 mice have small brains so probably oyu wouldn't care 21:34:17 elliott: exactly 21:34:34 there's a jbs haldane story with a rat king 21:34:37 Bike: how would you like to be 100 elephants 21:34:37 being turned into a mouse is probably kind of like dying 21:34:47 Being an elephant sounds uncomfortable. 21:35:02 i said 100 elephants 21:35:03 http://www.supermegacomics.com/index.php?i=143 21:35:14 jbs haldane's stories are like roald dahl except you look back on them and are like "wow that is ridiculous in a good way" 21:35:27 Er. Haldane wrote kids books? 21:35:30 yes 21:35:36 i have mentioned this to you before 21:35:44 OK, yes, I think you have. 21:35:47 It's still really weird though. 21:35:57 there was a book by terry pratchett with a rat king 21:35:59 the ones where he has a wizard friend and he fights capitalism and goes to india 21:36:05 He's like... oh, right. 21:36:12 That makes less lack of sense. 21:36:12 did you read it 21:36:52 and there's an unrelated one where some brothers try to defeat rats with science 21:36:59 -!- hr_ has joined. 21:37:12 and another one about a south american silver baron getting eaten by an alligator? 21:37:21 and one about the narrator's magic collar stud 21:39:44 i don't even recall anything massively racist which considering the geographical scope is p. impressive 21:42:59 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 21:44:48 Switch Bitch is a 1974 short story collection for adults by Roald Dahl. The book is made up of four stories: "The Visitor," "The Great Switcheroo," "The Last Act," and "Bitch". 21:44:51 The stories had been written by Dahl for Playboy magazine and published separately in 1965.[1] 21:47:35 that's quite the name 21:50:42 `addquote would not be surprised to find out this tumblr is guerilla marketing by wolfram co to sell mathematica to stoners 21:50:46 1046) would not be surprised to find out this tumblr is guerilla marketing by wolfram co to sell mathematica to stoners 21:51:16 kmc, i want to see this tumblr 21:51:19 and i want to hate it 21:51:20 `? drugz 21:51:22 drugz? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 21:51:38 Phantom_Hoover: intothecontinuum 21:51:48 it has pretty pictures so it's hard to hate 21:53:01 (thank god, i was worried for a minute it'd be matthen) 21:53:30 wait 21:53:31 ahahaahaa 21:53:39 his latest post links to main is usually a function 21:53:47 i laugh but i am also terrified 21:54:52 matthen? 21:55:09 also, wha, where 21:55:23 re: miuaf 21:55:51 uh, remember that javascript thing where you fly a rocket around in a 2d solar system 21:55:52 the [more] link, it looks like 21:56:03 that was him 21:56:26 kmc, oerjan: Do you think the whole "discrete calculus" thing is related to types? <-- i dunno hth 21:57:07 except he also maths tutored me a couple years back to stop my brain from atrophying so i was already on edge wrt people in real life being on the internet 21:57:23 i bet kmc didn't even read that pdf 21:57:45 because of the 1 <-- also the e hth 21:57:52 mnoqy: where 22:02:03 elliott: on matthens thingy 22:02:14 oh ok i misinterpreted 22:02:22 ps how come everyone knows this matthen persons blog and not me 22:02:25 i mean i remember the thingy but still 22:02:36 oh uh 22:02:37 i dont know the blog 22:02:37 http://blog.matthen.com/post/51566631087/quasicrystals-are-highly-structured-patterns-which 22:02:39 i just figured to check 22:02:42 since ph mentioned it 22:02:46 that is the post maybe i should've linked 22:03:12 maybe i should try to know a thing or two about computational linguistics 22:04:05 oh dear, i just remembered he works in speech recognition 22:04:11 linking elliott to him was a bad idea 22:04:22 thank you, i was just about to click the link 22:04:35 why does elliott not like speech recognition 22:04:37 did fizzie kick him 22:06:40 elliott, well if kmc was referred to in a post about speech recognition... 22:08:23 speech recognition is cute and not worth hating 22:08:32 mnoqy: it's fucking terrible. like biology 22:08:40 biology is cute and not worth hating 22:08:43 speech recognition is the best 22:08:46 Bike: have you seen how he reacts to it? it's great 22:09:37 who reacts to what 22:09:48 fizzie 22:09:52 Bike: haha this robert gottlieb letter to dahl is great 22:09:58 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:10:01 oh god 22:10:52 did the bfg actually stand for the big fucking giant originally. i hope so 22:11:23 haah, standing ovation 22:12:44 well no i haven't seen such reactions 22:12:53 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:14:38 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:18:30 "We love your books, but we have a problem... we are Jews!!" 22:18:33 The Problem 22:19:25 if only there was a solution i feel bad now 22:20:33 it's ok Phantom_Hoover i would have said it if you didn't 22:21:10 why does this article about dahl finish with a bunch of death cab for cutie mp3s 22:21:40 It's appropriate. 22:25:32 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:26:03 2 deep 4 me 22:26:30 -!- Vorpal has joined. 22:26:49 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 22:33:09 The Scottish concept of the "Caledonian antisyzygy", the duality of a single entity, is a key driving force in Scottish literature, and it appears especially prominently in the Tartan Noir genre. -- wp 22:33:39 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:33:43 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 22:33:45 those words are made up right. 22:34:05 kilts in detective noir sounds good though 22:34:13 i swear to god it's an actual article with that actual quote 22:34:37 i don't think inspector rebus wore a kilt with any regularity 22:38:07 -!- quintopia has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 22:39:29 -!- quintopia has joined. 22:41:21 shachaf: i found out that Josh follows two Twitter feeds 22:41:25 @caltrain and @_FloridaMan 22:41:25 Unknown command, try @list 22:41:47 should be a command. 22:41:53 CALTRAAAAAIN 22:42:41 kmc: Do you need anything else? 22:43:29 "Please bring me news of the trains in this province, and the fools of the far away swamp country" 22:44:11 is Josh "into trainz" 22:44:13 kmc: should i take caltrain 22:44:18 shachaf: fairly yes 22:44:23 elliott: not if you can help it 22:44:28 is Josh "into drugz too" 22:44:30 kmc: is it bad 22:44:33 elliott: yes 22:44:37 kmc: sounds great 22:44:44 maybe it's rude to ask 22:44:52 never mind 22:44:53 maybe 22:45:00 http://www.caltrain.com/Assets/Buttons/Large+Middle+Buttons/2013+Giants+Baseball.gif caltrain watches sports 22:45:03 elliott: You should take Caltrain! 22:45:18 it looks excited 22:45:27 kmc is not a number(ed inmate in the prison-industrial system on trumped up drug charges), he is a free individual 22:45:38 yeah little known fact, the caltrain tracks run straight through AT&T Park at grade 22:45:53 Bike: how free 22:45:55 kmc, have you advanced to the point of actual trainspotting 22:46:16 shachaf: fucking like, twelve free, at least 22:46:24 trains potting is when you smoke the weed marihuana on trains 22:46:28 kmc's favourite activity 22:46:31 trains just come through blasting the horn without stopping 22:46:42 baseball players have to run for their lives 22:46:46 http://www.theonion.com/articles/toddler-junkie-immediately-hooked-on-looking-at-tr,32025/ 22:46:56 ☝ kmc 22:46:57 kmc: i've chosen to to believe that what you are saying is true 22:46:58 COOL IDEA: what if you had, like, a train, but it runs on, weed 22:47:07 like you shovel the weed into the engine to make it go 22:47:11 i know there are airports like what kmc describes 22:47:15 frankly terrifying 22:47:18 where? 22:47:21 slash what. 22:47:25 lithuania 22:47:29 (i just made that up) 22:47:37 well like, you know how in gibraltar there's so little land that a highway goes through the airport runway 22:47:40 it's like that 22:47:43 ah yeah 22:47:43 mnoqy: does weed come out of the bit where the smoke comes out 22:47:44 but w/ trains 22:47:46 that's terrifying 22:47:49 do the animals in the farms get hhhhigh 22:48:04 wait so the train crosses the runway at grade?? 22:48:16 what's "at grade", like, at a slope? i doubt it 22:48:24 you only get high inside the train when driving through tunnels 22:48:32 elliott: you pipe the smoke through the passenger cars hth 22:48:33 it means "on the same level" rather than in a tunnel or a bride or shit 22:48:33 like that awful bit of atlas shrug i hear of 22:48:52 AW citizenship is goinf free 22:48:59 crossing the runway on a bride?? 22:49:02 sounds dangerous 22:49:05 oh Sgeo... 22:49:05 Sgeo: oh? 22:49:11 goinf 22:49:16 going 22:49:26 Don't know whether to be happy, or worried 22:49:35 why do you not mean advance wars. 22:49:37 Cybertown went free too for its last year or so of its existence 22:50:11 you should be happy that aw is dying and you can actually grow up finally 22:50:17 oh wow i didn't make this up! 22:50:23 A unique level crossing exist near Gisborne, in which the Palmerston North - Gisborne Line crosses one of Gisborne Airport's runways. Aircraft landing on sealed 1310-metre runway 14L/32R are signalled with two red flashing lights on either side of the runway and a horizontal bar of flashing red lights to indicate the runway south of the railway line is closed, and may only land on the 866 m section of the runway north of the railway line. Whe 22:50:55 the runway at gibraltar infamously runs right across the only road in and out of it 22:51:07 Bike: awesome 22:51:16 Bike: "line. Whe" 22:51:38 Use your imagination. 22:51:46 I DONT HAVR ONE 22:51:47 pics? 22:52:26 its insensitive to ask for pics of my nonexistent imaginatinon kmc 22:52:27 -!- Vorpal has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:52:34 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mh-gL7_UgHs i guess 22:52:42 * Bike googles, finds http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2595/3680915019_4e8a1661ba.jpg?v=1246541217, calls it good despite that not being it 22:53:33 hm, this airway forum (what) couldn't find a good photo 22:53:50 that video has it at like 3:00 22:53:55 kmc: what do you think of leland stanford, i heard he liked trains 22:54:03 he's a robber baron 22:54:07 yes 22:54:13 https://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=gisborne+airport+new+zealand&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=33.489543,69.082031&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Gisborne+Airport,+New+Zealand&ll=-38.667401,177.978387&spn=0.008059,0.016866&t=h&z=16 aha 22:54:18 are you saying you're not a fan 22:54:24 dunno 22:54:38 good lord the editing in this video 22:55:04 -!- Vorpal has joined. 22:55:28 PLAAAAANE TRAAAAAIN: http://bvargo.net/f/plane_train.jpg TRAAAAAIN PLAAAAANE: http://myairplanes.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/an-225-dan-ka1.jpg 22:56:05 excellent 22:56:16 so where did the CAAAALTRAAAIN thing come from 22:56:26 they should make the train plane a regular thin 22:56:32 which thing 22:56:41 you mean the all-uppercase, multiple-A thing???? 22:56:47 a regular thing 22:57:19 there's a channel for everyone who likes trains: #cslounge-trains 22:59:40 the mysterious cslounge 23:03:09 is cslounge good? it sounds like something that would be bad 23:04:00 it depends on if u like counterstrike.......................... 23:04:12 :) 23:07:06 but #cslounge-trains is for people who like trains 23:07:14 and maybe for people who like people who like trains 23:07:27 what about people who like people who like trains 23:07:29 tho trains are kind of rubbing off on me..... 23:07:58 I take trains every weekday. Therefore I am obligated to join. 23:08:01 #kmcspotting 23:12:44 kmcspotting could be a movie about death in the startup industry. scored by clint mansell 23:13:14 Sgeo: aren't you obligated to join every channel mentioned on irc 23:13:37 elliott, yes, except for one. 23:14:04 one, eh? 23:14:10 Sgeo: what is that one 23:14:34 The auto-kline channel I happen to know of 23:15:18 i don't think there are any auto-kline channels on freenode 23:15:28 imo join it and find out 23:15:39 i know of some that are locked out and redirect to a "no" channel tho 23:15:52 what is this channel, i'll try it on my local connection 23:17:16 00:17 -!- Topic for #Thai-Help: Leave this channel right away or you'll be banned from the network! 23:17:19 00:17 -!- Topic set by BearPerson [] [Sun Apr 22 16:37:07 2007] 23:17:22 00:17 [Users #thai-help] 23:17:24 yo sgeo i'm pretty sure someone was fucking with you 23:17:26 00:17 [@ChanServ] [ testingblamesgeo] [ tomaw] 23:17:27 beaut 23:18:00 you can join it now 23:18:14 * #Thai-Help :End of /NAMES list 23:18:31 you can't list names of most channels you're not in... 23:18:40 try /names #haskell-lens for example 23:18:53 Hm 23:19:07 how did you determine this channel was an auto-kline exactly 23:19:17 It was discussed on #freenode 23:19:57 There is also a log of another chatroom that mentions it 23:20:47 http://ircarchive.info/perl/2007/5/19/89.html 23:21:34 I joined this channel and now I can't access freenode anymore. What's going on? 23:21:37 Apologies for the inconvenience. Due to problems with drones and automated clonebots, we've had to institute automated network bans when clients join certain channels. Please contact support at freenode dot net, providing your IP address to be unbanned. 23:21:41 wow they actually do it 23:21:42 It is +PQ 23:21:42 ok, well, that's boring, so, has anyone else been reading up on this "D-Wave Controversy": http://www.archduke.org/stuff/d-wave-comment-on-comparison-with-classical-computers/ 23:21:42 well this faq could just be outdated ofc 23:21:58 Bike: scott aaronson has been going on about them for years 23:22:02 it's pretty funny that this company made this computer thing and nobody's even sure if it actually works? 23:22:07 yeah that's where i got this 23:22:10 Sgeo: anyway #thai-help certainly doesn't ban you now 23:22:22 The modes +PQ kind of suggests that 23:22:31 i don't know what +PQ does 23:22:53 +P is permanent, +Q is you cannot be forwarded to this channel. 23:22:55 -NickServ- Last addr : ~karsten@sourcemage/wizard/freenode.staff-emeritus.BearPerson 23:23:48 that topic was set in 2007 23:24:02 i accept it likely actually did autoban you in 2007 23:24:13 i somewhat suspect that no channel currently does however 23:26:11 Well, the +PQ mode, the topic message (I cannot see it; it is set you cannot be seen unless you joined), and the "freenode.staff-emeritus" all suggest that at least it used to, or was intended to, at one time, ban you. 23:27:08 do you think you could get hep with thai food 23:27:10 i hear it's pretty good 23:27:13 help* 23:28:09 -!- nooodl_ has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 23:30:23 does anyone know if there is an easy way to get youtube to play 480p instead of 360p by default 23:30:26 it really annoys me 23:31:31 -!- elieser2241 has joined. 23:31:34 -!- elieser2241 has left. 23:32:06 if someone tells you, tell me 23:32:23 elieser2241: FUCK YOU 23:32:57 elieser 23:32:59 gonzalez 23:33:24 what is with that elieser guy 23:34:24 Bike: do you also hate those videos where changing the quality doesn't immediately reload but instead the cog thing kinda spins a bit and then it switches over smoothly at some point but the problem is when it starts the 480p video the scaling is a bit weird and it looks slightly off (like it's deinterlaced or something??) so you have to fullscreen it and exit that to get it looking right (this applies to all videos not just these) but it's not obvi 23:34:30 probably not 23:35:02 http://24.media.tumblr.com/409ffce04839d2aced409327386fe26f/tumblr_mn6o2cJqx51rf4cqeo1_400.png did i link this? oh well. 23:35:06 elliott: god that's terrible 23:35:10 elliott, i hate them 23:35:11 so much 23:35:24 Bike: wow 23:35:25 also The Joke is that because of my shitty connection it would actually be 240p->360p for me 23:35:31 Bike: that it bothers me and i have to fullscreen and exit all the videos or the videos themselves 23:35:42 just in general 23:35:43 terrible 23:35:51 Phantom_Hoover: i feel like people aren't being sincere here!! are you sure you notice them being fucked before you fullscreen them 23:36:01 yes 23:36:06 ok 23:36:08 i'm glad i'm not alone 23:36:14 generally it's 360->1080 for me 23:36:21 fuck you 23:36:22 Bike: that's a good picture 23:36:27 my connection and computer aren't good enough for that 23:36:32 i do 760p.... very occasionally 23:36:36 er i mean 720p 23:36:37 what you have to understand is, i get my internet through a network of cans tied together with taut strings 23:36:54 man, and i thought my connection was shitty 23:37:03 i like the idea of "maize" being formal 23:37:07 is it considered formal 23:37:07 Phantom_Hoover: well ok 23:37:12 my connection can do 1080p now 23:37:25 ok but the worst part is 23:37:28 youtube broke the fucking ?fmt= url thing 23:37:33 so you can't even do it there before you load the page 23:37:35 why the fuck 23:37:56 ?hd=1 23:37:56 Unknown command, try @list 23:37:58 ALSO i don't trust that the ones where the cog spins a lot actually always change the quality 23:38:09 This page was previously nominated to be moved. Please review the discussions and previous page moves if considering re-nomination: RM, Maize -> Corn, No consensus, 20 June 2007, Talk:Maize/Archive 2#Requested Move RM, Maize -> Corn, No consensus, 21 February 2011, Talk:Maize/Archive 3#Requested move 23:38:15 ion: hey that worked this time 23:38:28 ty 23:38:32 Maize is a selected article on the Food Portal, which means that it has been identified as a high quality article by Food Portal standards. 23:39:04 Corn as transitive verb 23:39:49 oh my god half the talk page archives are about this 23:39:59 International bias vs. American bias 23:40:43 remember, not following US usage is "anti-American" 23:40:46 well, the majority of ENGLISH speakers say corn. Why shouldn't it be Corn(maize)??? It makes NO SENSE??WacoJacko 06:30, 2 July 2007 (UTC) 23:41:04 he uses eleven question marks for this issue 23:41:24 huh, does "corn" mean "grain" in the UK? that's news to me 23:43:09 i guess so? 23:43:23 ask Phantom_Hoover 23:43:37 Phantom_Hoover: isn't elliott british and can tell me this himself 23:44:13 -!- elieser224 has joined. 23:44:22 `e 23:44:23 eliser224: hey what are you doing joining and parting all the time???? what's the deal 23:44:31 `relcome elieser224 23:44:34 ​elieser224: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 23:44:43 -!- elieser224 has left. 23:45:02 what's the deal 23:45:05 bye 23:45:49 we should fix the e 23:45:51 can mnoqy do it 23:46:01 alt can we get fizzie to ban them 23:46:11 apparently the only thing they have said is "hola", and that was after several join/part cycles 23:46:15 did anything happen with that what's his name guy 23:46:32 gasoline/newstalker 23:46:49 http://irc.canaima.softwarelibre.gob.ve/historicos/mychan20130516_pg8.html hm they are in this other freenode channel (found by googling) but don't do the /part thing there 23:46:55 -!- augur has joined. 23:47:41 instead they do the ping timeout thing 23:48:03 A venezuelan linux distro. 23:48:31 "It is primarily designed as a solution for the computers of National Public Administration in accordance with the presidential decree number 3.390 about the use of free technologies in National Public Administration in the country. " well then 23:48:39 Bike: did you see http://rubydoc.info/gems/rubysdl/2.1.2/frames 23:51:35 ruby????????????? 23:52:06 kmc: this documentation is how i feel 23:52:13 ??????????????????????OpenGL?????????????????????????????? 23:52:24 ????????????????????????????????????????(??????????????MPEG??????????????????????????)?? 23:52:43 `run cat e 23:52:45 cat: e: No such file or directory 23:52:48 `run cat bin/e 23:52:50 echo "eliser224: hey what are you doing joining and parting all the time???? what's the deal" 23:53:05 `run e|r 23:53:07 bash: r: command not found 23:53:09 `run e|rainbow 23:53:11 ​eliser224: hey what are you doing joining and parting all the time???? what's the deal 23:53:20 hm 23:54:10 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Quit: Leaving). 23:56:39 kmc: /set show_nickmode_empty off # hth 23:56:50 i agree w/ shachaf 23:57:40 -!- dessos has joined. 23:58:12 Bike: "u gotta say maize" 23:58:30 just think about how great corn mazes are 23:58:32 when you say maize 23:58:55 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 23:59:21 woow