< 1370476801 794396 :Koen___!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually I've had a recurring nightmare since I was little and it's never stopped (as opposed to the more classic nightmares involving monsters) < 1370476809 211479 :Koen___!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and there's an automaton in it, or something < 1370476820 617064 :Koen___!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the universe always end up implosing and I CAN'T STOP IT < 1370476825 209768 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora: Cool article. < 1370476834 950727 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :reproduction, metabolism and < 1370476839 610347 :Koen___!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whenever I wake up after that recurring automaton nightmare I try to make sense out of it but I've never succeeded < 1370476863 619754 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont remember the last conditions < 1370476887 862603 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd: oh, you mean the definition of real world life? nah that's a hilarious flamewar < 1370476891 165139 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :simultor metaphysics? < 1370476910 757179 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: the real world is running in a simulator < 1370476920 951317 :Koen___!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would reproduction be necessary to define life? < 1370476927 59585 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It’s simulators all the way down. < 1370476930 343158 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the hashlife idea happens to be applicable to basically any kind of physics where you have a speed of life, so < 1370476934 871388 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :speed of light* < 1370476948 870403 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hashlife is really cool and bike can explain it 100 times better than I can < 1370476972 825632 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely understand it but would appreciate a good explanation < 1370477016 231572 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a virus? vira don' t have metabolism.. is virus not a life form? i asked myself recently < 1370477019 516893 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, it's pretty easy. what you need is a space you want to simulate, and the physics have to have a speed of light. < 1370477029 870160 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370477031 1984 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they have dna < 1370477079 54869 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you divide space into areas (in Life, squares of width 2^n for some natural n). < 1370477081 763462 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hagb4rd, it depends on what you mean by 'life'. There is no 'reality' saying "This is life, and this isn't". The term 'life' is what we define it to be < 1370477099 337232 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea i mean from the point of the biologists < 1370477100 842653 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then for each space, you can find what the center of that space will be in some time, due to the speed of light. < 1370477151 503700 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e., if you have a 2^8 block in Life, the center 2^4 block can be simulated 2^3 steps ahead, without caring about any other 2^8 block, because the speed of light is 1 square per step. < 1370477187 367365 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1370477221 871697 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for representing a block of space, rather than tracking the actual Life bitmap or whatever, you just have each block be five pointers (in Life anyway), each to a block half the size of the block. < 1370477228 220443 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :four quadrants + a cached future center < 1370477236 417918 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hashlife adds to this a hash map of subspaces. < 1370477250 790579 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(as a cache, of course) < 1370477272 735704 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen___: http://xkcd.com/505/ hth < 1370477280 876832 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, the idea is, if you need a new space for whatever reason, you make it out of its linked subspaces, and if those subspaces have been combined before, you can just use that same previous combination. < 1370477284 815283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which might have its future cached. < 1370477289 409732 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It turns out that Life tends to have many common subspaces, so doing this lets you skip a lot of combination via memoization. < 1370477294 656484 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, computation. < 1370477319 447945 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i'm simulating life with SKI pikhq, what then < 1370477335 493864 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then you are memoizing combinations as well. :P < 1370477428 800137 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw..you're talking about the game of life < 1370477429 570522 :Koen___!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yeah that was a really good one < 1370477463 832947 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, if you want real life, virology is pretty interesting < 1370477479 875060 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are viruses that have more protein construction mechanisms than some bacteria < 1370477480 285968 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i won't insist but yea < 1370477482 235673 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1370477498 145369 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370477501 880355 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"mamavirus" because what is even your deal, virologists < 1370477503 44161 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1370477547 788474 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1370477571 846993 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also http://rybicki.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/from-what-did-viruses-evolve-or-how-did-they-initially-arise/ < 1370477581 148388 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1370477601 495860 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the idea that viruses have come about originally several times is a pretty neat one, since it's not the case for life in general < 1370477647 271912 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand it's still a controversial topic < 1370477691 100991 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well nobody really understands what the fuck happened with abiogenesis, so there's that. < 1370477914 470203 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gotta love things where we just go "well, it clearly happened" < 1370478020 656212 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's RNA world and clay world and all as hypotheses that are half-plausible but they're still pretty out there < 1370478041 320120 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :panspermia < 1370478047 196231 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sure < 1370478051 275365 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hail the mighty penis in the sky < 1370478055 192863 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :main that ain't a real solution >: < 1370478069 450136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :main ain't usually a function < 1370478086 383599 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man* < 1370478121 860908 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it isn't < 1370478139 150702 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice if we could at least conclude it, though. < 1370478227 847062 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Borderline_life how useful < 1370478246 246181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :neat < 1370478377 12712 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370478400 417299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :borderline useful < 1370478413 123685 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :viroids are cool and that's that man < 1370479389 958943 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiyora < 1370479391 194315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hike < 1370479398 122946 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hiii < 1370479400 987552 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hatchetaf < 1370479424 371087 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um...................the ch is a fricative........................................................... < 1370479437 179612 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like nerd stuff. < 1370479472 845412 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so do you hth < 1370479478 195956 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::< < 1370479647 679809 :Koen___!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen___ < 1370479675 160964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike write me a limerick < 1370479697 643167 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there once was a man from nantucket, whose cock was so long he could suck it, < 1370479732 99235 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :he said write, not quote, Bike < 1370479735 10933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good limerick plz thx < 1370480152 549597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: Do you know about de bruijn sequences? < 1370480315 301570 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :um... they're the things you can use to do leading-zero count with bit hackiness, right? < 1370480423 937669 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trailing, I thought? Possibly both. Anyway that's one thing you can do with them. < 1370480426 778890 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that thing that's in sanskrit for some reason. < 1370480426 856318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also lots of other things. De Bruijn was the best. < 1370480529 359893 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :other things? I remember looking at the wikipedia article and being a bit confused < 1370480565 657831 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like magic! < 1370480575 767850 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1370480598 480648 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i am slowly learning how to pronounce 'shachaf' < 1370480617 616284 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And, uh, let's say you have a keypad-combination-lock with no termination digit. You can use a de bruijn sequence to figure out the most efficient way to brute-force it! < 1370480627 330542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Maybe it's not called brute-force at that point...) < 1370480649 636755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I went to a talk which mentioned them. < 1370480665 41689 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's hebrew isn't it? and if i've learned anything from Rugrats it's that i can't pronounce hebrew "ch" < 1370480673 709606 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a lot of locks like that in college, and people did bruteforce them < 1370480677 684101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :שחף hth < 1370480684 887094 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except I think they weren't precisely with-no-termination-digit < 1370480699 629433 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :シャチャフ? < 1370480708 576767 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i fucking love that first kana < 1370480724 597461 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks like a sideways smiley XD < 1370480740 597173 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the combination lock thing is neat though < 1370480747 215887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: I doubt it. The "ch" is as in the recording on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_uvular_fricative < 1370480780 527517 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. darn. I can't kana that < 1370480794 308341 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we clearly need hebrew with a japanese alphabet < 1370480835 142704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The effect was something along these lines: He handed out a deck of cards, told a few people to cut it, and then had 5 people take the top card and pass the deck to the person on their right. < 1370480850 161291 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a lot of trouble with the phonemes that look like "x" in ipa < 1370480857 699948 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he said "I have a strong sense of red... Stand up if you have a red card". < 1370480862 281286 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then he told everyon what their card was. < 1370480867 705600 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nice. < 1370480876 880970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you know about de bruijn sequences you can figure out how it works! < 1370480881 924355 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the Japanese approximation whould be "shahhafu". < 1370480893 315890 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :シャハフ < 1370480901 942858 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still like the シ) < 1370480902 370295 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There'd be a sokuon there. < 1370480917 581293 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just so damn happy to be a character < 1370480920 782872 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :makes sense... doubled-h is kind of a weird thing in japanese < 1370480947 99027 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is, but that's how it's done. < 1370480947 292585 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't japanese have "doubled consonants" as a usual thing? < 1370480954 903654 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bach is バッハ < 1370480963 870418 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That particular consonant being doubled is unusual. < 1370480969 855697 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1370480991 534410 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though not *impossible*. < 1370480997 932127 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Admittedly only a thing in loan words. < 1370481037 674033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What are other good applications of de bruijn sequences? < 1370481068 391766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :brute forcing code locks? < 1370481083 986713 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if you want to be able to sample all possible sequences of a certain length easily? < 1370481113 517676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I gave that one. < 1370481142 994795 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it has applications in sanskrit prosody < 1370481158 155137 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wondering if you could use it in DNA somehow, except that proteins are variably length coded to say the least < 1370481183 456121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess de bruijn sequences are related to shift registers somehow? < 1370481297 966106 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370481324 396882 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Ribbit < 1370481341 973748 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370481999 519946 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you generate de bruijn sequences < 1370482054 307543 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Bruijn_sequence#Algorithm something like this I guess? < 1370482111 3935 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if that's really the best way < 1370482143 581897 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the problem with that page is that i try to find a euler path in the pictured graph >_> < 1370482166 913737 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :euler path? < 1370482184 252662 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to work on Rebol deadfish < 1370482207 168921 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: hit every edge exactly once < 1370482257 256465 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's supposed to be a cycle also. < 1370482257 365860 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can't even figure out how to read just one character from the console < 1370482262 300711 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Erm, from stdin < 1370482277 212963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: oh, so it's like that puzzle about crossing each bridge once < 1370482286 999596 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: exactly the same puzzle, even < 1370482287 107672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1370482289 203998 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I could try reading the whole thing in, and hoping that it doesn't actually store the whole thing in memory < 1370482291 910981 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're easy to find, unlikel hamiltonian paths < 1370482296 883462 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Bridges_of_K%C3%B6nigsberg < 1370482297 997321 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :"de Bruijn sequences can be generated by feedback shift registers" according to http://mathworld.wolfram.com/deBruijnSequence.html < 1370482298 123339 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which visit every vertex once) < 1370482310 732252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i knew it hth < 1370482335 987425 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, which makes more sense, a Racket version of Qoppa, or a Rebol version of Qoppa? Racket is more Lispy, but there's less of an impedence mismatch between Rebol and Qoppa than Racket and Qoppa < 1370482365 320851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know < 1370482413 598623 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do not understand the use of "impedence mismatch" here < 1370482519 386758 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Racket is a rather static language. Modules are expected to know what values they can export, for example < 1370482555 446158 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At ... a point in static analysis... hmm, suddenly I'm not sure whether that might be the case for various proposed module systems for Rebol < 1370482650 639088 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At any rate, right now I should be writing some documentation for work < 1370482655 796490 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Told my boss I'd do that when I get home < 1370482791 528024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think Qoppa is closer to Rebol than Racket conceptually < 1370482852 181160 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also implement Kernel instead of my weird bastardized version of Kernel < 1370482864 773134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but cyclic lists are /so annoying/ kmc < 1370482873 268243 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of the changes are just for the sake of the self-hosting trick < 1370482882 262582 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a sense the Qoppa interpreter I posted is a polyglot program < 1370482899 669724 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, but didn't you unbastardize the bizarre distinction between functions and operatives? < 1370482903 891529 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda < 1370482912 724538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I guess there are some unsavory consequences too < 1370482932 576024 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, such as? < 1370483089 94634 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still don't really get why you all think that distinction is weird < 1370483140 525889 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: i don't remember, it's in the blog post < 1370483181 705042 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's just weird because fexprs let you remove so many cases from the evaluator, but then you end up with two cases that are almost the same < 1370483251 344151 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what two cases? < 1370483260 267669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for operatives and applicatives < 1370483272 85063 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :combine applicative combinand env = combine (unwrap applicative) (map (eval env) combinand) env < 1370483272 156983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Kernel they are distinct fundamental data types < 1370483279 108218 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do i not understand what cases you're talking about < 1370483302 165738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a case yes < 1370483302 275808 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :applicatives aren't really fundamental, they're just a wrapper around operatives < 1370483317 652285 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in Kernel they are presented as fundamental < 1370483321 747298 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's what Sgeo and I think is weird < 1370483382 236651 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"an applicative is nothing more than a wrapper to induce operand evaluation" doesn't seem that fundamental < 1370483387 585924 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't get how the cases are the same? < 1370483406 435685 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, the fact that it's physically different than just putting a wrapper around an operand < 1370483416 139369 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"physically different"? < 1370483416 909822 :Phantom__Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370483433 453194 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As in, there's an actual distinction, at the language level, saying "these are applicatives", and "these are operatives" < 1370483445 758125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, they're not really the same because you can implement one in terms of the other, but it's one more case and one more fundamental data type than I would like to have. < 1370483455 896294 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rather than "everything is an operatives, and some operatives happen to have a wrapper around them that evaluates their arguments when called" < 1370483479 467335 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just weird that "things which happen to evaluate all their args first" are seen as fundamentally different from "things which may or may not evaluate all their args first" < 1370483492 253223 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, maybe i'm thinking of it differently since i've been working maru style. < 1370483497 463710 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maru style? < 1370483529 922263 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could have generic functions, for example, and use "wrap" on them to get them to evaluate their arguments, even as generic functions have a totally different combination mechanism from operatives < 1370483555 904480 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and the applicative path of the evaluator doesn't have to have any idea that the thing it's unwrapping isn't a regular operative < 1370484021 366279 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370484772 976272 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@pl \x y -> all ((flip elem) y) x < 1370484773 87643 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :flip (all . flip elem) < 1370484792 84342 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how's @pl work? < 1370484884 656180 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it uses Haskell < 1370484885 601072 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 13 : 'y + y' < 1370484886 83425 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: + < 1370484899 497721 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 13 : 'x + x + y + y' < 1370484900 82150 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: [ + [ + ] + ] < 1370484974 210785 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 13 : 'x + y + x + y' < 1370484974 746715 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: [ + ] + + < 1370484980 130483 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx olsner < 1370485184 501184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoovlogreader: o.O she's named Zhaan? I thought it was Xan! < 1370485283 366264 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :"What's the most complex thing you do in your kitchen?" "Worry about death." < 1370485321 292306 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :deep < 1370485341 295266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1370485509 771068 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-93-159.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370485629 64551 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370485963 741268 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 23 "" < 1370485963 853167 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1370486015 302277 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 (intToDigit 23 "") < 1370486016 985895 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : The function `GHC.Show.intToDigit' is applied to two arguments, < 1370486017 90077 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : but its ty... < 1370486028 998917 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :w/e < 1370486047 436476 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 23 < 1370486051 634575 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: show: No overloading for function < 1370486063 890915 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 23 "" < 1370486064 30352 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1370486068 842284 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 23 < 1370486070 524092 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: show: No overloading for function < 1370486073 568222 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1370486086 89607 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@lore < 1370486095 551028 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@diediedie < 1370486095 681421 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unknown command, try @list < 1370486131 470378 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 23 "" < 1370486134 308362 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "10111" < 1370486191 133787 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit 23 "bla" < 1370486192 823091 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "10111bla" < 1370486200 848461 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm told that false morels (Gyromitra esculenta) are sold in Finland and eaten after careful preparation < 1370486234 45992 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird brain-looking mushroom. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Fr%C3%BChjahrslorchel.JPG < 1370486257 510002 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i really don't understand why there is that 2nd argument..does that make any sense? < 1370486287 698713 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That mushroom looks like a funnel cake < 1370486326 379427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intToDigit 15 < 1370486328 140564 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : 'f' < 1370486332 485491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intToDigit 35 < 1370486334 98772 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Char.intToDigit: not a digit 35 < 1370486338 600517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> intToDigit 16 < 1370486340 537038 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : *Exception: Char.intToDigit: not a digit 16 < 1370486350 965181 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it lets you use whatever alphabet you want < 1370486370 272595 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase ("-."!!) intToDigit 23 "" < 1370486371 691225 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : No instance for (GHC.Real.Integral < 1370486371 816918 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : (GHC.Types.Int -> GH... < 1370486382 287642 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1370486382 979916 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 ("-."!!) 23 "" < 1370486384 771373 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : ".-..." < 1370486398 928583 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> showIntAtBase 2 intToDigit ff < 1370486400 950421 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `ff' < 1370486401 118246 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Perhaps you meant one of these: < 1370486401 190838 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : `f' (imported from D... < 1370486430 762571 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1370486520 719149 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd like to somehow implement a little tool throwing 'i-ching' hexagrams < 1370486543 476208 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1370486551 686269 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dammit. < 1370486557 427907 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, ~yi does that, if metasepia's around. < 1370486573 694067 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh cool.. < 1370486589 564970 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Starting to see some flaws in the Rebol model < 1370486595 37401 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fungi_of_Finland < 1370486609 495036 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For instance, it's difficult to write a thing that puts all setting into a new scope, but leaves others untouched < 1370486643 110679 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you don't look inside nested code, then you can't do sets inside control structures. But if you do, you could get odd behavior if you try to use the same function inside that thing < 1370486668 333455 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fwiw, what Rebol does with its context function is not look inside nested blocks < 1370486690 842143 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for that hint byte < 1370486708 547416 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike < 1370486713 834182 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4db430c9.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1370486750 433141 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe an example < 1370486797 265279 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>> a: 5 context [a: 6 print a] print a < 1370486801 136333 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That prints 6 then 5 < 1370486819 93669 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a: 5 context [print a a: 6] print a < 1370486822 229499 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prints none then 5 < 1370486828 323766 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nothing too bizarre so far < 1370486883 448380 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a: 5 context [if 0 < 1 [a: 6] print a] print a < 1370486886 452959 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prints two 6s < 1370487367 328092 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a hack that can be done to do varargs in Rebol 3. Apparently it's slated for removal < 1370487920 740617 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I found a hack that doesn't need that hack < 1370488330 341873 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1370490429 65126 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370495749 756501 :madbr!boulam@198-84-253-87.cpe.teksavvy.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370496472 966289 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370498183 516968 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1370499725 642971 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370499728 943099 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm currently working on my first compiler, for a lisp-like language, written in Common Lisp (sbcl). Recently I've been playing with Racket. Is anyone else here using one of the lisps? < 1370499753 89956 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :esoteric lisp? < 1370499845 932779 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Sure < 1370499877 742231 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm just wondering why you're asking here < 1370500234 232936 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`WeLcOmE zamlierza < 1370500240 427896 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :ZaMlIeRzA: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.) < 1370500296 874280 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1370500566 117146 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1370501107 243067 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370501115 33337 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1370501298 653264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: lens has a good intatbase thing < 1370501325 262467 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" ^? base 23 < 1370501327 77324 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1370501328 243074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> "hello" ^? base 28 < 1370501329 842852 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just 10773556 < 1370501361 761435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> base 36 # 12344321 < 1370501363 806168 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : "7ckxt" < 1370501367 836978 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^?) < 1370501369 60318 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s -> Getting (First a) s a -> Maybe a < 1370501378 862229 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t base < 1370501380 520960 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral a, Applicative f, Choice p) => Int -> p a (f a) -> p String (f String) < 1370501394 300165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Bike want to learn about lens < 1370501411 585501 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is lens, really? we just don't know < 1370501413 778782 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (#) < 1370501415 188983 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :parse error on input `)' < 1370501442 207542 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty ( # ) -- interferes with a GHC extension for (# ... #) tuple syntax < 1370501443 265894 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AReview s t a b -> b -> t < 1370501455 300969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lens is a library for a bunch of things, including lenses. < 1370501471 869826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And prisms, which are colenses. (base n) is a prism. < 1370501492 117762 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lens is a getter and a setter, you said. what's a colens. < 1370501540 182702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, a colens is to a sum what a lens is to a product. < 1370501546 141458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know about sums and products? < 1370501555 485498 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really. < 1370501574 260911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a,b) is a product, (Either a b) is a sum. < 1370501585 271010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all things which behave like tuples or Eithers. < 1370501613 414409 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If A has n inhabitants and B has m inhabitants, then (A,B) has n*m and (Either A B) has (n+m) < 1370501623 121630 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1370501635 202728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So you see how a lens is for a product? < 1370501643 697677 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Foo = Foo { one :: Int, two :: Char } < 1370501665 750362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a "one" lens which lets you do two things: Read the "one" value, and change the "one" value to some new Int. < 1370501686 627163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Similarly: < 1370501691 17548 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bar = One Int | Two Char < 1370501701 228375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can have a "One" prism which also lets you do two things: < 1370501713 119766 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The things are Int -> Bar and Bar -> Maybe Int < 1370501717 885276 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still back at lenses being products. < 1370501726 49123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, lenses are *for* products. < 1370501732 798001 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"for"? < 1370501733 780201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since Foo is a product type (of Int and Char). < 1370501740 241260 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1370501744 776394 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that makes sense. < 1370501754 936530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bar is a sum type of Int and Char. < 1370501759 641413 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm working on a genetic program for the creation and optimisation of ciphers, whilst the optimisations still in process here're some early results: http://pastebin.com/GKwfKENX http://pastebin.com/FQdMNqFZ < 1370501772 947137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bool = False | True; data Color = Red | Green | Blue < 1370501798 280324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, never mind. < 1370501806 61502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, which part is confusing right now? < 1370501816 153747 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zamlierza: the second one is admirably hard to read < 1370501830 126045 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That is the fun of this channel! < 1370501831 578244 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: nothing in particular, that made sense. i'm just sleepy. < 1370501843 850761 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good! < 1370501857 452525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A traversal is like a lens onto more than one value. < 1370501866 219272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, onto zero or more values. < 1370501867 967976 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's base operating on? or ok something else < 1370501899 502357 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, base is on a "conceptual" sum, not an actual sum type. < 1370501909 429506 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yeah. < 1370501914 559833 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what's the concept. < 1370501938 644227 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, base is a prism. < 1370501948 283863 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The two prism functions are called review and preview < 1370501973 789340 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :A string is sort of like a sum: Either it has a valid base-N value or an invalid value. < 1370502003 682511 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Either in the Choice class? < 1370502008 732060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But given a base-N value you can always turn it into a string. < 1370502021 283806 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking of having it automatically encrypt an input of all Falses, deducting abs(sum(map(lambda x: 1 if >= 0 else -1,output))) this will ensure precedence to even distribution, seems to be the simplest part. For the main challenge; avoiding recurrent patterns, I'll be using something along the lines of. http://pastebin.com/5LvxG01V < 1370502021 649239 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, Choice is something more complicated. < 1370502028 642028 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has to do with the representation of prisms lens uses. < 1370502030 353824 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, of course. < 1370502042 318703 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously accompanied by a similar function for handling lists of recurring True's or False's < 1370502043 226692 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t base 36 < 1370502044 425381 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Integral a, Applicative f, Choice p) => p a (f a) -> p String (f String) < 1370502054 569161 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload what I've got so far if anyones got any idea's, otherwise I'll wait until it's at a functioning point. < 1370502056 888916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can explain that representation but that should be a separate thing. < 1370502066 149264 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, don't let me derail you < 1370502084 810291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's derailing me is multisecond latency from my computer to my IRC client. < 1370502102 859544 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's derailing me is multisecond latency from my brain to my blinking < 1370502106 989480 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously accompanied by a similar function for handling lists of recurring True's or False's < 1370502125 676075 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://pastebin.com/J8Aer7Rx I'm going with that for now. < 1370502132 359895 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1370502141 140657 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not genetic yet but I'll build from this: http://pastebin.com/E4dGw97L < 1370502146 457619 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So close, zamlierza. Socloszamlierza. < 1370502150 335142 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, paste is not doing that indentation good < 1370502201 602543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Am I going on and talking about the representation of lenses? < 1370502208 962198 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thoughts? :D < 1370502218 890878 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it supposed to have a huge amount of copy-pasted code? < 1370502260 654467 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: if you go on i'll listen. you had explained how a string can be interpreted wrt numerical bases as a prism, and were about to explain review and preview maybe. < 1370502274 501814 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> review _Left "hello" < 1370502276 180502 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Left "hello" < 1370502284 243046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> preview _Left (Left "hi") < 1370502285 893349 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Just "hi" < 1370502287 421338 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> preview _Left (Right "hi") < 1370502288 978949 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Nothing < 1370502297 699867 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's all there is to them. They take the two components of a prism. < 1370502323 522150 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see. < 1370502326 503844 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t review < 1370502327 905550 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadReader b m => AReview s t a b -> m t < 1370502332 687876 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dont.......... < 1370502337 635821 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t _Left < 1370502338 984641 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Applicative f, Choice p) => p a (f b) -> p (Either a c) (f (Either b c)) < 1370502355 242650 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t preview < 1370502356 595894 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MonadReader s m => Getting (First a) s a -> m (Maybe a) < 1370502357 871266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Left :: Prism (Either a c) (Either b c) a b < 1370502365 997387 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember y'all complaining about whoever's bizarre type signatures in lens < 1370502377 955373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, the Prism ones are kind of my fault. < 1370502390 51659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(To be fair it was even worse back in the day.) < 1370502397 599227 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you bastard < 1370502431 210479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know the following things: mapM; Applicative; Traversable < 1370502492 549665 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh, the first two. < 1370502499 350881 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1370502515 949621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Traversable is just a generalization of mapM with Applicative. < 1370502529 14551 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know how mapM could get away with just requiring Applicative instead of Monad? < 1370502555 516690 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1370502582 251199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, so let's pretend mapM uses Applicative instead of Monad from now on. < 1370502583 401167 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know Functor? < 1370502599 649216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :traverse generalizes mapM the same way fmap generalizes map < 1370502643 103124 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1370502694 866022 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1370502709 546182 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So let's define some functions. < 1370502728 941764 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one :: (a -> b) -> (a,e) -> (b,e) < 1370502738 820962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :two :: (a -> b) -> (e,a) -> (e,b) < 1370502745 102242 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :both :: (a -> b) -> (a,a) -> (b,b) < 1370502751 622420 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good functions, right? < 1370502756 22761 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. good < 1370502787 827381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are sort of like fmap, except instead of using a type class to decide what to map over, we just name a function explicitly. < 1370502860 127508 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So these are "map" functions -- they let us modify a value/values -- but not "mapM" functions -- we can't have effects. < 1370502883 808218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But we can generalize them in a pretty simple way to be "mapM" functions. < 1370502890 713382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you generalize them for me? < 1370502948 578967 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one :: Monad m => (a -> m b) -> (a, e) -> m (b, e) maybe < 1370502950 825255 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1370502972 472475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1370502987 108091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Except you don't need Monad. You can manage with Applicative, or even just Functor. < 1370502990 32758 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep not, or yep yep < 1370502994 252176 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok. < 1370502995 572042 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep yep. < 1370503008 201023 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing where monads aren't functors seems sillier and sillier. < 1370503014 878571 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep yep yep. < 1370503052 117916 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you implement one? < 1370503151 379422 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTc3PsW5ghQ < 1370503158 781911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yip yip yip yip yip yip yip < 1370503184 752582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, they're talking too much in English. < 1370503247 222867 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see how to do it with functor. < 1370503262 909205 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have to use fmap. < 1370503276 752469 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you see how to do it with MOnad? < 1370503303 202637 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePN5z-6MSoI < 1370503334 728133 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh.... i don't think i do, no < 1370503398 945894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, start by writing the regular one. Then oneM/oneF/whatever. < 1370503440 370326 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one f (a, e) = (f a, e) < 1370503447 588397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a very put-the-pieces-together sort of puzzle. < 1370503455 657418 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1370503463 84005 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneM f (a, e) = ... < 1370503493 407036 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let oneM :: Functor f => (a -> f b) -> (a, e) -> f (b, e); oneM f (x, y) = ?hi f x y < 1370503495 200790 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : not an expression: `let oneM :: Functor f => (a -> f b) -> (a, e) -> f (b, ... < 1370503500 210755 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty let oneM :: Functor f => (a -> f b) -> (a, e) -> f (b, e); oneM f (x, y) = ?hi f x y in oneM < 1370503501 313005 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Could not deduce (?hi::(a1 -> f1 b1) -> a1 -> e1 -> f1 (b1, e1)) < 1370503501 413154 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : arising from a use of implicit parameter `?hi' < 1370503501 485052 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric : from the context (Functor f) < 1370503522 644309 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have three "ingredients": (a1 -> f1 b1), a1, e1 < 1370503536 424762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have to produce f1 (b1, e1) < 1370503541 242040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :We're also allowed to use fmap < 1370503595 209910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What might be our first step? < 1370503642 185217 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: those aliens are so great < 1370503704 435903 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1370503710 777891 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should learn all this lens stuff < 1370503716 828411 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it might be an excuse to get excited about Haskell again! < 1370503747 571985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lens is p. fun < 1370503761 660735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's an edwardk presentation video about it if you want to watch that < 1370503773 526550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the last time I disappeared from Haskell for a while, I came back and everyone was talking about this newfangled Applicative thing and I had to learn that < 1370503784 816770 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative is p. good < 1370503799 157318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in fact the rumour is that it might become a superclass of Monad in ghc 7.10 or so.......................... < 1370503805 68538 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1370503836 339181 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was "into lens for" a while: https://github.com/ekmett/lens/contributors < 1370503848 198639 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but now nobody is committing < 1370503863 663733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk is, like, into his new databases and stuff < 1370503894 459890 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't get how this is possible. to get an f1 (b1, e1) there's no other way but fmap, so we need an f1 (a1, e1), but we have no way to get that < 1370503925 362925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need (f1 something) < 1370503931 574030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that something needn't be a tuple. < 1370503952 80437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just needs to be something that you can turn into (b1, e1) < 1370503984 172609 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :god, i'm so slow < 1370504050 198084 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneF f a b = fmap (\b -> (b, e)) (f a) maybe < 1370504054 997489 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fab < 1370504063 186241 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :y es < 1370504068 916725 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneF f (a,e) b rather < 1370504080 243744 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, n ot y es. < 1370504086 243437 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And not that either. It only has two arguments. < 1370504094 479935 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneF f (a,e) < 1370504096 811642 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thinking is hard < 1370504110 263629 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneF f (x,y) = fmap (\x' -> (x', y)) (f x) < 1370504128 481746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oneF f (x,y) = (,y) <$> f x -- if you like this sort of thing < 1370504129 540645 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what i said with different letters? i literally can't tell right now < 1370504136 526647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1370504140 42639 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1370504149 775466 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now write both < 1370504160 532882 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :both :: Applicative f => (a -> b) -> (a,a) -> f (b,b) < 1370504183 513226 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(By the way, you might be so tired you can't tell, but I'm so tired I'm explaining everything badly. So if you have to blame someone blame me. hth) < 1370504190 86845 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i refuse < 1370504193 945943 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :to blame < 1370504252 577929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, so the great thing about this is that it lets you read as well as write. < 1370504264 153821 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, I'm not making any sense anyway. < 1370504280 125018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the part of it i read made sense! < 1370504299 160038 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was that "none of it" < 1370504321 186926 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's go backward a bit. < 1370504326 304572 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or not. < 1370504326 991607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1370504348 95317 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370504388 856173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok will say nothing until someone else says something < 1370504395 564368 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm still thinking!! < 1370504397 976620 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i told you it was hard < 1370504433 355588 :zamlierza!7ca9fd29@gateway/web/freenode/ip.124.169.253.41 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1370504434 151489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it was "some" < 1370504488 60174 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370504738 517545 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'm declaring myself too tired to thinking through this because jfc it's been ten minutes and this is not hard < 1370504747 649430 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks for the random explanation, i'll think about it tomorrow < 1370504756 993103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, what are you thinking about < 1370504765 751483 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both < 1370504768 803127 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1370504785 647493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to use Applicative < 1370504788 900221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't do it with Functor < 1370504796 492555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which means you get to use liftA2 < 1370504799 772797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ty liftA2 < 1370504801 14943 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Applicative f => (a -> b -> c) -> f a -> f b -> f c < 1370504882 912109 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well. < 1370504908 754330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remember, it's just mapM for tuples. < 1370505041 132088 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :both f (a,a') = liftA2 (,) (f a) (f a') < 1370505092 784560 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1370505115 564677 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t uncurry < 1370505116 751064 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(a -> b -> c) -> (a, b) -> c < 1370505132 355566 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, exercise: Write oldBoth using both. < 1370505164 406021 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm too tired to explain things so I'm just giving exercises instead.) < 1370505168 924862 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldBoth :: Applicative f => (a -> b) -> (a,a) -> (b,b) you mean? < 1370505170 953668 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1370505177 416360 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, w/o restriction. < 1370505193 569147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1370505206 704699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :By the way, we define type synonyms for these things. < 1370505220 638796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :In theory we could just say type Mapper s a = (a -> a) -> s -> s < 1370505230 349762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then oldBoth :: Mapper (a,a) a < 1370505234 473157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then we can't change the type. < 1370505244 108866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So we write type Mapper s t a b = (a -> b) -> s -> t < 1370505249 576307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oldBoth :: Mapper (a,a) (b,b) a b < 1370505302 157551 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370505787 569531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: perhaps tomorrow, a lensson < 1370506710 319286 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1370507666 487331 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1370509569 45683 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370511580 361189 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe70:53e1 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1370514565 516415 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370514594 265562 :Frooxius_!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1370514609 831909 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1370514888 922745 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:ae81:12ff:fe32:878a JOIN :#esoteric < 1370515524 251414 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370516202 126272 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1370517823 963904 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370519170 79310 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370519180 725284 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1370519831 502206 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1370520222 167083 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370520414 87465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : anyway it lets you use whatever alphabet you want <-- of course someone should have noticed that it's stupid to restrict it to Char... < 1370520942 46921 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1370521674 29909 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1370521840 480190 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370521843 729849 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370522441 985745 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1370522611 699847 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Timeline_of_cool.svg this is a terribly confusing chart < 1370522732 98543 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1370522765 345306 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PART :#esoteric < 1370522777 947242 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/confusing/depressing/ < 1370522788 21550 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything getting borg'ed into dance/techno... < 1370522865 307751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no no, clearly we'll be saved by something coming out of the preppy ennui hth < 1370522883 392039 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just take care of your sangfroid man < 1370522925 726575 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that's good advice. < 1370522930 252659 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(btw, what's preppi ennui?) < 1370522935 645771 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/i\b/y/ < 1370522948 135819 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/uy/ui/ < 1370522976 816147 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it means something like bored upper-class < 1370523010 709932 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't help me much about how it sounds. < 1370523015 123266 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION youtubes that...
< 1370523029 662083 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :prep-ee ennue < 1370523031 895245 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*ennui < 1370523064 14157 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :5 hits for “preppy ennui”. go, youtube, go! < 1370523083 971178 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1370523110 975810 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no wiki article. what the fungot is this unknown musical current. it must be hipster as hell. < 1370523132 383564 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, an fizzie: FUNGOOOOOOOOT! < 1370523136 692284 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(pretty please :D) < 1370523171 795550 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. no fizzie. < 1370523180 686582 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell fizzie AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAfungotAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! < 1370523191 626821 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1370523283 526342 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: um the chart is not basically about music hth < 1370523326 998048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen fizzie < 1370523331 530872 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-06-03 17:46:37: I've installed that "Hacker's Keyboard" thing from the market to my Android thing. But maybe it's not all that combattible. < 1370523449 117444 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: indeed. there is dadaism and surrealism and other stuff. I got distracted by the bottom section and the geographical locations. < 1370523856 35057 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1370524124 913098 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370524126 5906 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370524214 218983 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370524228 339254 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370524228 339430 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370524280 447981 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370524318 836160 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 291 seconds < 1370524343 202080 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1370524349 258729 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Write error: Broken pipe < 1370524681 305595 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370524745 138049 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1370524896 254702 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 253 seconds < 1370524980 782928 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1370525021 199677 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1370525173 982591 :boily1!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net NICK :boily < 1370525233 110564 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370525767 47810 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1370525844 527838 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370525857 981076 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370526055 548225 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 241 seconds < 1370526076 49186 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370526092 173037 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370527560 811058 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION 
< 1370527717 984743 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1370527845 815417 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370528183 193530 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370529413 33586 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370529488 226365 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370529697 23701 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370529789 44880 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1370530188 110022 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370530193 957713 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370530299 628121 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: do you know who 76.100.81.188 is? < 1370530388 200739 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1370530467 965107 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1370530494 778 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1370531201 603937 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370531465 673497 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1370531574 823927 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1370532096 514913 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1370532504 679459 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370532895 32937 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet JOIN :#esoteric < 1370532933 779072 :Jafet!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370533153 843271 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370533610 289153 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1370533822 409941 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370534078 965604 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370534386 490617 :Jafet1!~Jafet@unaffiliated/jafet QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1370534396 131301 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1370535585 450301 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1370535942 94753 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1370536434 867246 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1370536995 995152 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1370537493 570238 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1370537694 78824 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bbytqdztjcsbyzwb QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1370537721 158671 :ssue_!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-raatlyusbdbqpwql QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1370537884 198394 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1370538070 255676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Koen_ No; their only other edit is to Talk:Jug. < 1370538098 664436 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hey < 1370538117 788965 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hallo < 1370538430 318355 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370538696 739245 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :argh the daystar, through my window! < 1370538785 742596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is why we do not go into it without our abjurations. Protection from Daylight. < 1370538823 138068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hth) < 1370538834 720067 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, malachaf < 1370538886 519425 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :protection from the daystar is an abjuration? < 1370538902 501469 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370538904 695659 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently < 1370538979 409271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0882.html < 1370539061 828315 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome, doerjan < 1370539067 120615 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :doerkjan? < 1370539145 683162 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :durjan, obviously < 1370539149 199447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a place that has good transcriptions of every oots comic? < 1370539172 461872 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370539177 508745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1370539180 397528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :du̸rjan < 1370539185 911675 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :d̸urjan < 1370539187 781910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hlep < 1370539211 425489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cast Harm on shachaf
< 1370539214 383994 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*+s < 1370539393 687385 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1370539421 227090 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sharm? < 1370539543 209626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: when are we getting 892 hth < 1370539585 209187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :when the stars are right hth < 1370539887 485311 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar CYUL < 1370539887 997572 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :CYUL 061700Z 09005KT 10SM -RA SCT055 OVC075 15/08 A3017 RMK SC3AC5 SLP216 < 1370540036 318576 :mysanthrop!~myname@84.200.43.57 NICK :myname < 1370540183 925507 :nooga!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1370541084 522837 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-157-145.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370541573 333193 :drlemon!~Greg@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370541592 774085 :drlemon!~Greg@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1370541598 726835 :drlemon!~Greg@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370541931 236966 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1370543797 840720 :drlemon!~Greg@cpe-108-185-0-32.socal.res.rr.com PART :#esoteric < 1370544915 644180 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wuqvsdwtlqelfthj JOIN :#esoteric < 1370544951 394437 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uozbznqhqmhgvamb JOIN :#esoteric < 1370546345 748599 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.121 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1370547211 452325 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370547268 7765 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1370547650 749490 :juancho_merida!~canaima@186.95.173.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370547696 949654 :nooga_!~nooga@ip-46-250-173-30.ip.maverick.com.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1370547733 661482 :ale1!~ale@186.95.173.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370548103 970221 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-220-61.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1370548107 35458 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370548267 305300 :ale1!~ale@186.95.173.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :holaaaa < 1370548269 484333 :juancho_merida!~canaima@186.95.173.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :s < 1370548310 559425 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1370548331 148111 :ale1!~ale@186.95.173.185 PRIVMSG #esoteric :xds < 1370548364 569967 :ale1!~ale@186.95.173.185 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1370548431 36079 :ale1!~ale@186.95.173.185 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370548447 631932 :ale1!~ale@186.95.173.185 PART :#esoteric < 1370548538 16533 :juancho_merida!~canaima@186.95.173.185 QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1370548943 662423 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1370548952 192749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> text "ꙮ" < 1370548953 651697 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ꙮ < 1370549142 316758 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval text "seems that I don't have this character, or rxvt is being mean to me again." < 1370549142 538308 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: You have 1 new message. '/msg kappabot @messages' to read it. < 1370549144 965462 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): < 1370549146 938824 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~eval text "seems that I don't have this character, or rxvt is being mean to me again." < 1370549148 269495 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Error (1): Not in scope: `text' < 1370549148 396059 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps you meant `next' (imported from System.Random) < 1370549165 810591 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t text < 1370549167 99152 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :String -> Doc < 1370549179 423031 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: tomorrow. it's past 4pm now. < 1370549241 434806 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1370549288 240968 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you said about three weeks ago: “whack me in the morning.” < 1370549309 767615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's some late morning. < 1370549314 777983 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember why I had to whack you, but I'm a honest man who keeps his promises. < 1370549325 194860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an honest < 1370549332 932951 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :même chose. < 1370549345 30802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, it's quite a french error to do < 1370549389 408556 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, would 9am EST suit you? < 1370549405 873122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that in UTC < 1370549411 863874 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :13pm. < 1370549416 254734 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aurgh. < 1370549418 594441 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"13pm"... < 1370549423 418589 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay < 1370549424 914312 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you didn't see nothing. < 1370549445 980916 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i cannot _guarantee_ i'll be up by then, since i barely was today < 1370549456 509057 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait < 1370549490 167463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not on UTC. ok that could be enough. < 1370549495 853951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@yow! < 1370549496 95255 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yow! Is my fallout shelter termite proof? < 1370549500 608067 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1370549500 865579 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :This fortune intentionally says nothing. < 1370549519 70802 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiendish < 1370549546 933296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fortune < 1370549547 274174 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Down with categorical imperative! < 1370549569 704337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should eat an apple, seeing as i unusually bought some < 1370549652 611762 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*munch* < 1370549675 349971 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION health freak. or was it freaky health.
< 1370549708 685822 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: those are some general fortunes < 1370549758 557122 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some “MIX RICE CRACKERS” on my desk. their ingredients are: RIZ GLUANT,SAUCE SOYA,TAPI. < 1370549774 125538 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what in fungot's name is TAPI, I have no idea. < 1370549803 999819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's tapirs, they just got cut off hth < 1370549844 966525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fortune < 1370549845 297517 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maj. Bloodnok: Seagoon, you're a coward! < 1370549845 556503 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seagoon: Only in the holiday season. < 1370549845 667386 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maj. Bloodnok: Ah, another Noel Coward! < 1370549861 831282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fortune < 1370549862 66865 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reconciliation < 1370549862 325513 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1370549862 397861 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :When conflict is reconciled, some hard feelings remain; < 1370549862 398109 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is dangerous. < 1370549862 398221 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The sage accepts less than is due < 1370549864 157329 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[6 @more lines] < 1370549869 680238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@more < 1370549869 919676 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And does not blame or punish; < 1370549870 182927 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :For harmony seeks agreement < 1370549870 254921 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where justice seeks payment. < 1370549872 152814 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The ancients said: "nature is impartial; < 1370549872 408655 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1370549874 103979 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore it serves those who serve all." < 1370549876 78628 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Lao Tse, "Tao Te Ching" < 1370549890 933911 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it would be an entry from the devil's dictionary hth < 1370549897 171083 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1370549897 481907 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does "it" mean in the sentence "What time is it?"? < 1370549901 138462 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't get over his name sounding like "lousy" < 1370549920 757051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it doesn't sound like lousy hth < 1370549923 76160 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you can get over it < 1370549927 823645 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: which ~yi entry is the above @fortune for twh < 1370549935 402644 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1370549968 889585 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? twh < 1370549970 658563 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :twh? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1370550013 134299 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yeah those chinese have such confusious names < 1370550023 336505 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~yi < 1370550023 557698 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Your divination: "Gnawing Bite" to "Brightness Hiding" < 1370550031 110074 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :obviously. < 1370550036 727354 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did I code that again... < 1370550056 417819 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to know your fate, obviously < 1370550310 39895 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1370551175 835295 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370552319 209799 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What was the packagey thing that had unsigned/verified/etc. packages and somebody wrote a quick exploit for it? < 1370552546 634521 :comex!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :HARLOT_SAFE < 1370552641 815133 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :HARLOT_SAFE: is that safe for harlots or safe from harlots? < 1370552699 181231 :HARLOT_SAFE!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: neither: it means I'm safe from being a werewolf because the harlot visited me :) < 1370552734 736893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OKAY < 1370552820 918364 :HARLOT_SAFE!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :co < 1370552897 212297 :category!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370552906 819025 :category!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :co: you don't scare me! < 1370552924 130972 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1370552924 388330 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1370552924 603179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1370552924 931228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1370552925 433277 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :] < 1370552928 143852 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa < 1370552930 659553 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1370552930 988986 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: i think your services are required < 1370552948 309773 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ignore the elliott spam thx < 1370552958 551462 :co!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: you should play wolfgame < 1370552986 317055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[[[[ < 1370553000 548701 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: you should op me so I can kick myself for spamming < 1370553010 752855 :category!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, op me < 1370553014 39601 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370553021 390124 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :op mnoqy < 1370553035 174153 :category!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm telling you to op me!!!!!!!!! < 1370553035 667745 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION suddenly envisions there being a huge amount of opening brackets at the big bang and closing brackets at the other end to balance out the universe
< 1370553038 480300 :category!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a categorical imperative < 1370553068 742922 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :category: hi shachaf < 1370553072 782091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: hi < 1370553089 932046 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i believe kappabot has already started a rebellion against those, category < 1370553096 571794 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@fortune < 1370553096 829595 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rincewind formed a mental picture of some strange entity living in a castle < 1370553097 37797 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :made of teeth. It was the kind of mental picture you tried to forget. < 1370553097 109347 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unsuccessfully. < 1370553097 109547 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : -- Terry Pratchett, "The Light Fantastic" < 1370553104 680467 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anyone actually read kant (i haven't) < 1370553113 909945 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i tried to but... i kant < 1370553122 501891 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i tried, but i kouldnt do it < 1370553132 865009 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf > elliott < 1370553138 30314 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :srry just the facts < 1370553164 308890 :category!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com NICK :kategory < 1370553198 353537 :kategory!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/quit < 1370553199 712955 :kategory!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :\quit < 1370553201 414808 :kategory!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1370553205 622707 :kategory!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :|quit < 1370553225 384679 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1370553237 991740 :kategory!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :¦quit < 1370553257 835090 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺quit < 1370553263 227975 :kategory!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :☹quit < 1370553270 659977 :kategory!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ꙮquit < 1370553279 730320 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: did you hear my limerick the other day < 1370553287 13270 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it good < 1370553293 558593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. good < 1370553452 574305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ꙭ < 1370553499 990367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ͜ < 1370553513 429378 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1370553516 57106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ꙭ < 1370553521 100850 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : ͝ < 1370553529 248389 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1370553530 919234 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ꙭ < 1370553549 316953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺͜ < 1370553560 611778 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :☺͜☺ < 1370553570 532973 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: look at this innovations < 1370553616 990694 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1370553756 434244 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know what ive < 1370553798 348262 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vait a moment < 1370553802 926642 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*vat < 1370553803 366125 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: did you see my limerick < 1370553808 830988 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. good huh < 1370553821 597346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :was this the one with multiocular o < 1370553827 585082 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course < 1370553860 197983 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1370554201 332361 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.nsa.gov/kids/ oh yes. < 1370554270 457504 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with bike < 1370554279 548553 :co!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :twilight_sparkle < 1370554300 359406 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On this site, you can learn all about codes and ciphers, play lots of games and activities, and get to know each of us - Crypto Cat®, Decipher Dog®, Rosetta Stone®, Slate®, Joules™, T.Top®, CyberTwins™ Cy and Cyndi, and, of course, our leader CSS Sam®. < 1370554306 582617 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :m chocolate covered peanuts < 1370554309 431700 :twilight_sparkle!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :Guest741 < 1370554316 657016 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know why some are trademarked and some are copyrighted. < 1370554320 67497 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: my gosh, that is amazing. < 1370554326 935542 :Guest741!~comex@ec2-23-22-255-183.compute-1.amazonaws.com NICK :comex < 1370554340 643036 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :im gonna play operation:dit-dah < 1370554361 908111 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh it's just doing morse code < 1370554365 256764 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they have other games < 1370554381 437302 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yardleygrams - Only SUPER cipher solvers can crack these cipher stories < 1370554404 957817 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :4096-bit RSA < 1370554409 333886 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Coloring Pages - Print and color your favorite member from the CryptoKids < 1370554414 134119 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think this is the game for me < 1370554626 752647 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1370554627 870994 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1370554653 847684 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so nsa is advertising to furries now < 1370554671 853657 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :america's future yiffers < 1370554708 690342 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not uncommon to use anthropomorphic animal friends for things directed at children < 1370554717 100282 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe this is a two birds with one stone sort of deal < 1370554724 24157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.topatoco.com/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=TO&Product_Code=CG-FCA&Category_Code=WON < 1370554743 427894 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :these things look a bit "fursona" to me, mnoqy < 1370554747 538290 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Existentialists Do It Pointlessly < 1370554757 280617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskellers do it pointlessly < 1370554772 649221 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whatt's, "it", here < 1370554775 974263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskellers do it in stereo < 1370554786 689357 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: the nasty hth < 1370554796 811509 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things are nasty, bike < 1370554800 160374 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'll have to be more specific < 1370554807 476847 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the nasty < 1370554807 963185 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like is it boogers??? those are pretty nasty < 1370554808 525785 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://www.thestrong.org/online-collections/images/Z003/Z00361/Z0036126.jpg < 1370554812 918517 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is how I learned to type when I was um... about 6 < 1370554833 738502 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Copyrighted? < 1370554841 567004 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that a 5 ½ floppy < 1370554848 871311 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: that's ® isn't it < 1370554851 464326 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ™ and ® are both trademarks. The latter is a registered trademark. < 1370554857 526542 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. < 1370554858 736351 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it was a CD < 1370554861 113521 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops. < 1370554861 244978 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's for windows 95 < 1370554861 437510 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Copyright is ©. < 1370554863 276822 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. it was 1997. < 1370554866 417751 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remember a bunch of anthro from my kiddo years < 1370554867 837118 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so 7 years old I guess? < 1370554873 986525 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like richard scarry's busytown < 1370554877 890834 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i learned typing from... something like that but with less animals < 1370554881 532013 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of games with animals though < 1370554895 652363 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :busytown was p. cool < 1370554900 944447 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you see my limerick < 1370554905 216559 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/9/94/RichardScarrysBusytown.PNG < 1370554914 489826 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy++ # https < 1370554915 387675 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1370554928 577547 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1370554936 106173 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the typing game had all these cool little minigames < 1370554938 247387 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you should be ++ing about that amazing picture not the https < 1370554941 255914 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so now that people are here do any of them know the answer to my earlier question about: hackage or something exploits < 1370554947 415981 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I remember one which was like a wild west shootout except you had to type to take out the bad guys < 1370554950 202214 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: typing of the dead < 1370554954 975232 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, I was thinking the same thing <.< < 1370554964 827902 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was a cool game < 1370554965 157264 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :resident evil, high wpm edition < 1370554987 62196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's your wpm per minute < 1370554987 347557 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :huckle cat & lowly worm < 1370555067 749361 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow typing of the dead has a pc version < 1370555076 331387 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ive played a few typing games in my time but they never really helped me...i learned to type once i started typing things like the compute code's < 1370555123 877421 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"About 500,000 Lowly Worm and Huckle Cat finger puppets, distributed by Taco Bell in 1993, were voluntarily recalled by Taco Bell following complaints that the puppets had gotten stuck onto children's tongues." < 1370555131 949852 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in typing class i mostly just played Bolo < 1370555132 991651 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good times < 1370555156 772632 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Paws a lot about the same time as learning piano < 1370555160 545817 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it kind of synergized I think < 1370555203 445199 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370555239 676647 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hackage exploits aren't really impressive because like... < 1370555254 226065 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: literally anyone with a hackage account can upload a new version of any package < 1370555261 156241 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like breaking into a house with no doors < 1370555266 222242 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well < 1370555277 364503 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's prettty hard to break into a house with no doors < 1370555281 581946 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a house made of doors < 1370555284 104662 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could upload a new version of parsec right now < 1370555287 450738 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this other packagey thing uses http without auth or anything and a recent kmc tweet made me think "wait that's a bad thing" < 1370555311 446217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing with hackage is like < 1370555317 740929 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't even secure it like distro stuff < 1370555325 474850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because that involves trusting your distro people < 1370555340 84550 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :with hackage the problem is that you... don't trust anyone you're getting the code from < 1370555355 583618 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :look maybe i meant cabal or ruby gems or whatever, it could be anything < 1370555397 923660 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's true of rubygems too, it's true of all systems like this that aren't "actual package managers" < 1370555405 707782 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is what i'm saying < 1370555416 114887 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1370555456 840051 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean you can still improve the security under the assumption that you trust the maintainers of the packages being installed < 1370555467 420019 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that that is basically never the case, is all I'm saying < 1370555514 782325 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i shouldn't care that i'm getting unsigned tarballs < 1370555543 482865 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess it's still the case that you trust a random MITMer less than a random package maintainer < 1370555557 142693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that is probably because you trust a random package maintainer too much (generic "you") < 1370555580 704724 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hacked by chinese < 1370555615 69188 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one reason I use Debian is that they actually care about this shit < 1370555624 378653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn kids these days < 1370555700 589601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.aeonmagazine.com/living-together/james-somers-web-developer-money/ has lots of complaining about kids these days < 1370555713 762001 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth segue < 1370555738 848078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1370555761 135700 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: care enough to break you know what < 1370555782 733590 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1370555812 240981 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the openssl thing < 1370555832 171009 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1370555846 8627 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm only half serious < 1370555857 692714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it does speak something in favour of low-"tampering" distros < 1370555868 912823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1370555891 510016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not 100% debian's fault though < 1370555895 354578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but partially < 1370555988 399126 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, the original openssl code sucked < 1370555996 662891 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but as i understand it, all of openssl's code sucks < 1370556004 129128 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1370556016 323412 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't have a security model that relies on any of openssl's code not sucking < 1370556023 131783 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well fuck < 1370556033 984510 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can we have a security model based on nothing working ever < 1370556178 21105 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'cos i see all this security research and then apparently a distro had shitty keys for two years and no one noticed? < 1370556237 224249 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :COMBINING DOUBLE ACUTE ACCENT < 1370556237 357538 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WHITE SQUARE WITH UPPER LEFT QUADRANT < 1370556237 429530 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FULLWIDTH VERTICAL LINE < 1370556237 429618 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FISH CAKE WITH SWIRL DESIGN < 1370556237 429662 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :LATIN LETTER VOICED LARYNGEAL SPIRANT < 1370556280 746662 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :please rephrase your unicode character names in the form of a limerick < 1370556313 42690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1370556318 714396 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :very nice < 1370556360 53201 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't flow that well, and you could easiliy achieve that by placing multiple characters on one verse < 1370556367 478021 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i like this more < 1370556425 717454 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"LATIN LETTER VOICED LARYNGEAL SPIRANT" is a very acceptable limerick verse if you don't pronounce the /i/ < 1370556430 509874 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, in LARYNGEAL < 1370556487 398454 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it pronounced lair-in-gee-el < 1370556509 464870 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1370556526 350308 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd have to pronounce it as "lair-in-jull" < 1370556558 755145 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not too much of a stretch < 1370556587 717981 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :artistic license < 1370556592 223369 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently "laryngal [ləˈrɪŋgəl]" is an accepted alternate form < 1370556599 604985 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not what it says in the codepoints! < 1370556713 630070 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data TOP SECRET//NOFORN: best classification? < 1370556777 553033 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fornication < 1370556794 671692 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my god < 1370556796 452491 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is very good: < 1370556797 580391 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEXAGRAM FOR THE CREATIVE HEAVEN < 1370556797 651948 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MATHEMATICAL BOLD DIGIT SEVEN < 1370556797 652101 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :KANGXI RADICAL WHITE < 1370556797 652220 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VERTICAL TRAFFIC LIGHT < 1370556797 652330 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :NEGATIVE CIRCLED NUMBER ELEVEN < 1370556802 636284 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1370556811 322152 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :++ < 1370556827 308807 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's beautiful < 1370556844 489577 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i have to < 1370556846 598675 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :see that in unicode < 1370556850 166267 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :as I've observed before, KANGXI RADICAL FIGHT would be a good name for a band < 1370556875 563025 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about 2FCE KANGXI RADICAL DRUM < 1370556879 709059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be a good name for a bad band < 1370556882 898016 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad because of the drums < 1370556885 833304 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because drums are bad < 1370556910 639183 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1370556975 818336 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :䷀𝟕⽩🚦⓫ < 1370556991 40137 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(how many of those characters display correctly for you) < 1370557000 279278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :YNYNY < 1370557003 778253 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're kind of overlapping < 1370557084 128702 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wanna see the full thing... < 1370557096 61266 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1370557101 146849 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode: awful imo < 1370557101 881944 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you do other forms of poetry? < 1370557132 499649 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hard mode: haiku, with cutting and seasonal words < 1370557140 736535 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's cutting < 1370557158 121253 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kireji < 1370557201 62906 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370557223 41127 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically haiku are more complicated than 5-7-5 (if you're an angry traditionalist japanese poet) < 1370557241 517831 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when i grow up i want to be an angry traditionalist japanese poet < 1370557308 122384 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN / HIRAGANA LETTER YA / SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW < 1370557317 928559 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is < 1370557319 484481 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :excellent < 1370557322 741532 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unicode is my muse < 1370557347 783301 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw do you see my kireji < 1370557362 725549 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1370557373 842598 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you just picked one out of the wikipedia article < 1370557378 80512 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonetheless, awesome < 1370557393 57101 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW works nicely as a zen reference < 1370557417 165506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Snowman without snow. | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric | < 1370557427 625767 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so amazed SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW exists < 1370557430 671976 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the kirenji there < 1370557436 129657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kireji* < 1370557438 800944 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"HIRAGANA LETTER YA" < 1370557465 642186 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ya" is a kireji, as is the character named < 1370557465 864724 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :because や was used as a kireji apparently < 1370557467 2256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, 3316 SQUARE KIROMEETORU [㌖] < 1370557467 74241 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. deep < 1370557472 507577 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait doesn't that have.......... two seasonal references < 1370557481 375924 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does! < 1370557487 925716 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no way it's all autumn < 1370557489 75722 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"without snow" though imo thats clearly autumn < 1370557493 446473 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 PRIVMSG #esoteric :high five bike < 1370557493 593520 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1370557496 572071 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi five! < 1370557507 277278 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the snowman is actually made of mochi < 1370557520 510992 :Gregor!dlopen@libdl.so TOPIC #esoteric :Slenderman without slender. | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric | < 1370557531 121862 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These transliterated units are weird. < 1370557553 532375 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 TOPIC #esoteric :MAHJONG TILE AUTUMN / HIRAGANA LETTER YA / SNOWMAN WITHOUT SNOW | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric | < 1370557568 558969 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@d154-5-190-48.bchsia.telus.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370557588 480418 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370557617 620782 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net TOPIC #esoteric :🀨や⛄ | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric < 1370557620 702989 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :topic golfing < 1370557694 70657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :these syllable requirements are not compatible with my style < 1370557713 850933 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :my style includes RIGHTWARDS HARPOON WITH BARB DOWN ABOVE LEFTWARDS HARPOON WITH BARB DOWN < 1370557739 820292 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 JOIN :#esoteric < 1370557820 229733 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy < 1370557826 189924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :2A94 GREATER-THAN ABOVE SLANTED EQUAL ABOVE LESS-THAN ABOVE SLANTED EQUAL [⪔] < 1370557841 262600 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1370557841 512541 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wat < 1370557954 969108 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370557955 555170 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's some meter you can make that fit < 1370558069 961678 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.179.172.25 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1370558198 389400 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370558198 389574 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370558198 389657 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370558198 389834 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370558198 389917 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370558198 389997 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370558198 390073 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370558198 390149 :rntz!~rntz@eos.sp.cs.cmu.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370558210 192409 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a kireji? < 1370558324 683485 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. Gréater thán abóve slánted équal abóve léss-than abóve slánted équal. < 1370558325 826794 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1370558338 946179 :tswett!~quassel@unaffiliated/tswett PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ - / - / / - / - - / / - - / / - / - < 1370558342 517661 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i linked the wikipedia article. < 1370558395 601507 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1370558894 308800 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370558894 380506 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1370558894 380652 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1370558894 380732 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370558894 380811 :rntz!~rntz@eos.sp.cs.cmu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370559070 692757 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :night guys < 1370559249 7614 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1370559692 905866 :ion!ion@heh.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370559692 906029 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370559692 906110 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370559692 906186 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370559692 906261 :rntz!~rntz@eos.sp.cs.cmu.edu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1370559889 427749 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370559889 499417 :ion!ion@heh.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1370559889 499553 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1370559889 499632 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-139-209.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1370559889 499711 :rntz!~rntz@eos.sp.cs.cmu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370560228 337010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote monqy < 1370560230 239634 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :274) I've only watched bad movies about video game. I enjoyed every second of it. \ 308) my most fresh dream is one where I'm at a soup contest and a chicken really wants to participate but he's disqualified so he becomes the judge. when all the soups are done and he's ready to taste them he just stares at the soup and then I becom < 1370560239 504613 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1370560803 12156 :rntz^2_!~rntz@eos.sp.cs.cmu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1370560928 47153 :rntz!~rntz@eos.sp.cs.cmu.edu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370561467 444881 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-207-164.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370561554 9143 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-38-181.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1370561746 21828 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1370561854 997962 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I utterly despise Apple after the events of today. < 1370561873 19176 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: details? < 1370561923 821325 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wanted to see why a web page wasn't working on iPhone. Look for information on how to get a web console up. DIscover that on iOS 6, you need to use Safari.. version 6. Which is unavailable for windows < 1370561931 974209 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, to debug web pages on iOS 6, you need a Mac. < 1370561979 786084 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1370562195 171974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that and they've been running a NSA backdoor in their servers for a year < 1370562254 895467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o.O < 1370562255 851645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but so has everyone else http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data < 1370562504 57460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need Apple equipment to develop things for Apple equipment? Doesn't sound so unusual. < 1370562619 522327 :SingingBoyo!~brandon@d154-5-190-48.bchsia.telus.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1370562694 472850 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: jesus < 1370562795 32191 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://www.theonion.com/articles/obama-administration-releases-nations-phone-record,32712/ < 1370562870 552637 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, but needing X-brand equipment to develop for a different piece of X-brand equipment is kind of sucky. Although typical for Apple. < 1370562911 512486 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: oh btw, i saw that game of life post in the logs, really cool < 1370562922 836890 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://nineties.github.io/category-seminar/ < 1370562929 451811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lrn some category theory hth < 1370562947 44443 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :game of life? post? why was i not informed < 1370562951 957825 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :have some respect for HISTORY man < 1370562968 418248 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-38-181.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? < 1370562969 559121 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiorasm.tumblr.com < 1370562972 428019 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely recall that there is some kind of us national security process for giving us citizens/companies gagging orders that they're forbidden from revealing the existence of; maybe those companies all got one. < 1370562985 920283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :being such an active tumblr user, you should follow that yourself < 1370562991 568288 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-38-181.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they're called national security letters < 1370562998 193991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1370563025 636210 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: there was a great guardian report relating to that < 1370563026 889082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me find it < 1370563046 109964 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-38-181.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, hey, «On March 14, 2013, Judge Susan Illston of Federal District Court in San Francisco struck down the law establishing NSLs, writing that the prohibition on disclosure of receipt of such an order made the statute “impermissibly overbroad” under the First Amendment» < 1370563055 836084 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah < 1370563073 864411 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2009/oct/12/guardian-gagged-from-reporting-parliament < 1370563087 111763 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally the entire story is "we can't tell you a thing" < 1370563090 33935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :some sense has been used < 1370563096 282094 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ah the uk version? < 1370563096 536407 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Guardian is also forbidden from telling its readers why the paper is prevented – for the first time in memory – from reporting parliament. Legal obstacles, which cannot be identified, involve proceedings, which cannot be mentioned, on behalf of a client who must remain secret. < 1370563120 111606 :Bike!~Glossina@174-25-38-181.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha they mad < 1370563140 672595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well, at least they're allowed to tell that there _exists_ a prohibition.