00:01:24 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 00:02:13 -!- angeli has joined. 00:02:43 hola:-D 00:02:59 hi 00:03:12 hi 00:04:16 hablas ingles 00:04:16 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:04:35 this is mostly an English-speaking channel 00:04:42 yo no 00:04:45 although sometimes it's Finnish or Norwegian instead 00:04:55 no entiendo nada 00:04:58 Or Swedish! 00:05:02 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 00:05:09 `? welcome 00:05:12 Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 00:05:15 oerjan: Hmm, that's Norwegian, right? 00:05:21 no hablas español 00:05:45 por que no entiendo nadita 00:06:11 aaaaaaaaa 00:06:16 I doubt most people here understand what you're saying 00:06:34 hablenmen en castellano 00:08:50 `? bienvenido 00:08:52 bienvenido? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:08:55 grr 00:09:13 `? tervetuloa 00:09:15 tervetuloa: ask shachaf 00:09:18 thx 00:09:31 `ls wisdom 00:09:32 As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead. 00:09:36 `pastewisdom 00:09:38 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/tip/wisdom/ 00:09:53 `? welcome.es 00:09:56 ​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) 00:10:05 `run cat $(which ls) 00:10:10 ​#!/bin/bash \ if /bin/ls -id "$@" 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^752129 ; then echo 'As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.'; else exec -a ls /bin/ls "$@"; fi 00:10:13 still the silliest hack 00:10:21 "liating it"??? 00:10:29 how come it doesn't say liating when you do it 00:10:34 is mosh failing me 00:10:44 `? welcome.fi 00:10:45 -!- sacje has joined. 00:10:45 welcome.fi? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 00:10:46 | 00:10:46 /`\ 00:10:56 `thanks myndzi 00:10:56 good wai 00:10:57 Thanks, myndzi. Thyndzi. 00:11:03 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 00:11:05 `run cat $(which ls) 00:11:07 ​#!/bin/bash \ if /bin/ls -id "$@" 2>/dev/null | grep -q ^752129 ; then echo 'As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.'; else exec -a ls /bin/ls "$@"; fi 00:11:08 kmc: we actually have a welcome in Spanish? 00:11:14 kmc: hi 00:11:14 hi 00:11:20 `run echo ¡ | iconv -f iso8859-1 | iconv -f iso8859-1 | iconv -f iso8859-1 | iconv -f iso8859-1 | iconv -f iso8859-1 | iconv -f iso8859-1 00:11:21 kmc: is mosh bugged or did HackEgo get a cosmic bit flip 00:11:22 ​¡ 00:11:34 ais523: yeah i added it a while back 00:11:36 I guess that's an actually /useful/ welcome variant, so… 00:11:44 looks like it was "listing" both times according to the logs 00:11:51 i not pikin inglis 00:11:53 also it's showing as "if/bin/ls" here 00:11:57 maybe it isn't mosh's fault 00:12:01 but i don't know who else to blame 00:12:01 espain 00:12:12 adios 00:12:15 adios angeli 00:12:33 ablas español tu 00:12:42 kmc 00:12:53 un poquito 00:13:04 como esta 00:13:25 y por que todos todos hablan ingles 00:13:30 kmc: do you think angeli is trying to contribute usefully to the channel, but failing due to the language barrier? 00:13:41 wow in one (1) week (seven (7) days) kmc will fly to california 00:13:42 or just not doing anything useful? 00:13:50 que dicen 00:14:30 que hlablan 00:15:02 `? the them 00:15:04 Information on the THEM has been removed for national security reasons. 00:15:20 `? usa 00:15:23 See America. 00:15:26 `? america 00:15:28 This wisdom entry had to be removed due to a DMCA takedown notice. 00:15:37 yo soy de venezuela 00:15:51 angeli: porque muchos de nosotros vivimos en estados unidos, y los otros hablan idiomas impopulares, como la finlandesa, y hablan ingles tambien 00:16:07 are you asking whether they're from hexham 00:16:12 no 00:16:19 i disapprove 00:16:21 elliott: come on you can read that 00:16:22 hmm… I can tell kmc's comments are more useful than angeli's even despite them both being in Spanish 00:16:30 you don't need to know any spanish to be able to read that 00:16:39 elliott vive en Hexham, UK 00:16:55 i read the finlandesa part 00:16:57 I think hexham UK is quite unlikely in angeli's case 00:16:58 yo yes hablo spanish 00:17:02 although hexham, spain is always possible 00:17:03 kmc: Are you calling my language impopulares, though! 00:17:12 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 00:17:19 hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico 00:17:30 yo no se porque 00:17:30 * ais523 fails to see how "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" is useful conversation 00:17:36 fizzie: si 00:17:45 ais523: Tell that to oerjan. 00:17:46 que es esoterico 00:18:07 `learn Hexham es la ciudad mas importante de programación esotérico 00:18:08 lenguajes de programación que se hacen para ser extraño más que útil 00:18:11 I knew that. 00:18:30 hacemos extraños lenguajes de programación para la diversión 00:18:43 tu edad kcm 00:19:09 el más conocido es http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck pero no es muy interesante en comparación con algunos otros 00:19:30 angeli: tengo 25 años 00:19:36 kmc: btw google translate suggests you referred to hexham as a "city" 00:19:39 elliott: si 00:19:43 no12 00:19:45 kmc: which is a wonderfully overoptimistic word for it 00:20:00 like calling two huts and a campfire a town 00:20:06 yo 12 00:21:09 chaito 00:21:27 a todos 00:21:27 yo vivo en Boston, Massachusetts pero voy a trasladar a California la próxima semana 00:21:41 yo vivo en venezuela 00:21:48 elliott: Hexham has elliott's hut, Taneb's hut, and the campfire you use together (strictly scheduled in order to avoid accidentally meeting), right? 00:21:55 angeli: ¿te gusta Venezuela? 00:21:56 eso en que pais queda 00:22:12 logico me encanta 00:22:23 que tipo de logico 00:22:31 fizzie: it's OK for elliott to accidentally meet Taneb, so long as they aren't in Northumberland at the time 00:22:40 si me gusta es muy linda 00:22:50 donde queda boston 00:23:52 nordeste de EE.UU. 00:23:54 en que pais 00:23:54 responde 00:23:54 aaaaaaaaaaaa 00:24:18 aa ya 00:24:27 4 horas de nueva york 00:24:28 en estados unidos 00:24:30 si 00:24:35 ummmmm 00:24:48 y como es aya 00:25:05 bueno 00:25:26 okey 00:25:40 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 00:25:55 y porque todos hablan ingles 00:26:06 porque no 00:26:42 nose 00:27:09 apenas se decir hola en ingles 00:27:48 ingles es dificil 00:27:59 y ticherk 00:28:11 para mi si 00:28:55 y a ti 00:29:12 i wonder if you can do arbitrary computations with only iconv invocations 00:29:34 ya te dije que no se hablar ingles 00:31:23 no sew 00:31:38 kmc: wow, that's actually really close to something I've been doing in the last couple of days 00:31:47 I've been writing a UTF-8/CP437 polyglot 00:31:53 heh 00:32:21 that uses backspaces, VT100 cursor motion commands, and exploiting the fact that things like "C2 A0" are two characters wide in CP437 but only one in UTF8 00:32:24 que dijistes 00:32:34 kmc 00:33:20 chao 00:33:22 chao 00:33:31 adios etc. 00:33:34 ciao 00:33:35 !list 00:34:01 cao 00:34:06 -!- angeli has left. 00:34:22 did kmc make a friend 00:34:24 i didn't know you knew spanish. 00:34:29 un poquito 00:34:36 more than me! 00:34:37 i know enough to catch some of the mistakes google translate makes 00:34:43 that's about it 00:34:47 was that google translate + corrections 00:34:48 the future measure of language comprehension 00:34:48 I know small amounts of lots of languages 00:34:53 due to watching so much foreign-language TC 00:34:55 *TV 00:35:01 i took 4 years of spanish in high school but have forgotten most of it 00:35:07 maybe in the future we will all get google glass to translate our sentences and then correct them 00:35:08 certainly most of the vocabulary 00:35:08 Foreign-language Turing-complete. 00:35:10 "I watch a lot of anime, so, like, I'm pretty fluent in Japanese" 00:35:11 and then speak them 00:35:15 THE BABEL FISH OF THE FUTURE 00:36:35 sugoi bike-chan! 00:36:45 elliott: if you've never tried watching YouTube with speech recognition captions turned on, and automatic translation on the captions 00:36:47 you should 00:36:47 desu kawaii ^__^ 00:37:05 boku wa bike-chan desu. nande, desu ka? 00:37:21 send pocky 00:37:30 watashi wa fiora-chan desu! kawaii desu ne~ 00:37:44 i can say "no, i mean the WEIRD porn" in over six japonic languages 00:37:47 bike I think we are drowning in irony 00:37:53 fiora-sama hth 00:37:55 best channel 00:37:57 like I think dave is going to come and tell us to stop 00:37:57 (are there six japonic languages) 00:38:01 (i don't think there are) 00:38:12 shachaf-senpai 00:38:18 help 00:38:19 shachaf for emperor 00:38:26 Fiora: i thought you meant illflower was dave for a second 00:38:30 `addquote i can say "no, i mean the WEIRD porn" in over six japonic languages 00:38:34 1057) i can say "no, i mean the WEIRD porn" in over six japonic languages 00:38:39 my legacy 00:39:11 I wish shachaf-senpai would notice me 00:39:19 hi Fiora 00:39:53 shachaf-先輩 00:39:58 Japan Man like Santa Claus except one difference: he stop at nothing to kill you. 00:40:37 http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mc0rhqezMH1qj5pqvo1_500.png bike has a GED in anime fyi 00:40:43 time to ~upgrade my computer~ 00:41:15 Fiora: help 00:41:27 w-with what >_< 00:41:35 what have you gotten me into 00:41:36 elliott: you mean buy a new one 00:41:38 "It was already broken when we arrived" is one of the (less than dozen) phrases in Russian they (anecdotally) teach to people on the train when the CS student organization has their traditional St. Petersburg trip. 00:41:46 Bike: no i mean the Operation's System 00:41:55 fizzie: haha 00:41:59 is that real 00:42:05 fizzie: hmm, I actually don't know how to say that in Hungarian 00:42:05 wait 00:42:09 thats a stupid queston 00:42:13 i don't even know what i was thinking of 00:42:33 Bike: it already said , you don't have to repeat yourself 00:42:36 (bUr n!!!! !) 00:42:43 shachaf: um. I don't know 00:42:44 D: 00:42:49 elliott: please no random insults for no good reason 00:42:56 this is #esoteric, not league of legends 00:42:56 ais523++ 00:42:59 ais523: it's okay it's for bike 00:43:07 No, it's not OK for Bike. 00:43:18 loool 00:43:49 ais523: it's ok elliott's a damned shit anyway 00:43:54 imo +q elliott 00:44:15 break it up, you two (possibly three) 00:44:17 ∼be nice∼ 00:44:36 yeah elliott, break it up, don't be so damn mean 00:44:40 ok this upgrade will be a welcome respite from how oblivious ais523 is 00:44:59 elliott: I'll happily admit I'm oblivious 00:45:38 shachaf-先輩? 00:45:54 So, Fiora後輩 then. 00:46:14 * kmc turned $165 worth of coins into Amazon credit today 00:46:29 -!- hiato has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:46:42 Fiora: hey i just realized this "gate equivalent" stuff is probably what i'll be doing in class. maybe i can implement SIMON :P 00:47:21 gah moving involves doing so many things 00:47:52 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:48:29 -!- DHeadshot has joined. 00:49:24 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:49:51 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 00:50:57 Bike: yay 00:51:18 that sounds awesome 00:51:27 pikhq: yes I am a kouhai apparently 00:51:49 it would be fun assuming i would have any idea what i was doing 00:52:05 geez you can like teach me stuff right 00:53:40 did you take circuit desin in school? 00:53:45 no ._. 00:53:53 I have a vague idea of like, how to make an adder 00:53:59 I have an electronic engineering degree 00:53:59 yeah so do i 00:54:03 we played a tiny bit with one of those things where you drag around wires and NAND gates at some point 00:54:03 Say, could someone do a DNS lookup on www.google.com? 00:54:05 from. How Stuff Works. 00:54:26 I wanna test something. (my DNS is inexplicably not working) 00:54:26 Fiora: yeah i did that in architecture class. i think this class is rather different from that one, thouh.. 00:54:28 oh! and there was like a thing where I got to lay out a small adder with wires and metal layers and stuff 00:54:28 pikhq: 173.194.66.105 and five other possibilities 00:54:31 with um... "Electric" 00:54:38 all in 173.194.66.0/24 00:54:44 i too enjoy Electric 00:54:57 and it had design rules and stuff 00:54:59 wait do you mean physically or 00:55:07 nononono like digitally 00:55:08 Okay, I can ping that. 00:55:11 oh ok. 00:55:21 but apparentlythe stuff we did got used in a senior project where they did actually fabricate a chip? 00:55:24 it'd be pretty metal if they let us make a toy CMOS or whatever thouh i doubt it 00:55:26 Holy *shit* the packet loss. 00:55:30 pikhq: I normally use nethack4.org to bounce pings off to see if I'm online 00:55:30 basically they were like, pawning work onto frosh 00:55:32 and we were the frosh 00:55:34 rip pikhq 00:55:35 admittedly, that's because I own it 00:55:35 `slist did someone do the slist thing yet I don't know 00:55:37 Fiora: heh 00:55:37 slist did someone do the slist thing yet I don't know: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot 00:56:03 ais523: The thing is, I can't do DNS lookups right now. 00:56:19 either way i think this class will be more excititing than my other ones which are mostly Introduction to Broad Field 00:56:26 And no wonder. 00:56:29 60% packet loss. 00:56:37 and chemistry, which is hope you like punch card memorization, in my experience 00:56:39 I'm running a friggin' TCP stress test. 00:56:52 Bike: chemistry is interesting when you get to the reason behind things 00:56:54 pikhq: intentionally? 00:57:01 ais523: No. 00:57:05 pikhq, can't wait for the packets to get back from OUTER FRICKEN SPACE? 00:57:10 like, understanding why the periodic table is the shape it is 00:57:17 Sgeo: Thank god I'm no longer doing that. 00:57:18 (Note: Fully aware you might not be in that situation anymore) 00:57:29 God that sucked. 00:57:37 Though less so than dialup. 00:57:44 oh, satellite internet 00:57:50 I thought you were exaggerating 00:57:51 I love how the comedian that did that thinks that connecting by bouncing off sattelites in space is awesome, yet that's the worst way to get an Internet connection 00:58:00 ais523: yeah but i did that in high school already soooo not high hopes exactly. 00:58:06 ais523, pikhq used sattelite internet for some amount of time 00:58:11 wow really 00:58:20 i thought pikhq lived in like 00:58:22 civilization? 00:58:29 Bike: I did not at the time. 00:58:34 Bike: he lives in the US 00:58:34 gosh 00:58:38 did you have a pet bear 00:58:39 which has famously bad internet 00:58:42 did a bear have a pet you 00:59:39 And I was a couple miles away from DSL... 00:59:51 -!- tertu has joined. 00:59:56 maybe i'll get to do like electrochemistry or something 01:00:06 new and exciting ways to kill myself violently (that's what chemistry is for, right) 01:00:22 -!- tertu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:00:45 -!- tertu has joined. 01:01:04 -!- tertu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:02:01 Anyways, I'm trying to diagnose an apparently wonky cable connection. 01:02:36 i sympathize :/ 01:02:48 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:03:29 God *dammit* the bastards don't let us change the settings on the modem. :P 01:10:54 -!- pikhq has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 01:20:28 -!- pikhq has joined. 01:21:30 o well, looks like my system is too fucked to upgrade 01:21:35 guess i should reformat at some point 01:21:58 ¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:21:58 | 01:21:59 o/`¯º 01:22:03 hehe 01:22:08 i can't come up with something good for the feet 01:22:23 i really like that it adds to hackego's smiley 01:22:37 but also 01:22:39 stupid mirc 01:22:49 `? does it really work 01:22:50 does it really work? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 01:22:51 | 01:22:51 º¯`\o 01:22:55 fantastic 01:23:18 /\(([chars])_(?!\2)[chars]\)/ matches (._o) 01:23:18 | 01:23:18 º¯`\o 01:23:21 but not with any unicodes 01:23:25 also i wonder what happened there 01:23:39 /\(([chars])_(?!\2)[chars]\)/ matches \(._o)/ 01:23:39 | 01:23:39 o/`¯º 01:23:47 hrmm back to troubleshooting 01:23:59 shit, it's half 2 already 01:24:32 oh right 01:24:38 counting length of unicode characters derp 01:25:44 anyway i blame all this on nobody buying me a new computer, imo 01:27:46 especially Bike. as previously established, he's terrible. 01:29:25 you can't acquire your own? 01:29:50 by "acquire" she means "steal" 01:29:54 it's the principle of the thing! 01:30:01 if Bike doesn't get me a new computer, how can I know he truly loves me. 01:31:53 get your own computer 01:32:02 i still haven't forgiven you for the vax fiasco 01:32:37 I mostly mean buy <.< but also like 01:32:39 "convince parents to buy" 01:32:58 well, if you think of it Bike is kind of like parents. 01:33:09 and I'm trying to convince Bike to buy me a computer right now! 01:33:46 Like a Raspberri Pi? 01:34:02 Certainly is a computer 01:34:41 sgeo's got a point 01:34:49 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:35:49 you can have my raspberry pi 01:36:12 that will be my vengeance 01:36:26 bike doesn't have as much money as parents though 01:36:36 how do you know! 01:36:39 do we know that 01:36:42 what are you talking about, neuroscientists make mad bank. 01:36:51 duh 01:36:56 you can fuck with people's brains etc. 01:37:11 as in they literally make everyone who works at the bank mad 01:37:14 with neuroscience 01:37:31 btw when did Bike turn from a biologist into a neuroscientist 01:37:33 yes 01:37:36 is it like pokemon 01:37:41 they're the same thing elliott 01:37:43 yes 01:37:43 both awful 01:38:18 they actually made a Pokémon spinoff where the humans evolved 01:38:22 it is ridiculous, also awesome 01:38:46 i... tell us more, ais 01:39:10 hmm I bet I could convince ais523 that it's morally correct to buy me a computer 01:39:12 Phantom_Hoover: I'm not sure there's much more to say, really 01:39:12 yes, i want to hear about this. 01:39:18 there's a lot more to say. 01:39:28 there is so much more to say 01:39:41 basically, the plot has warriors forming emotional links with Pokémon; if it gets strong enough and it's the right Pokémon 01:39:51 then it plays this animation with them fading back and forth, as usual 01:39:56 and mostly they end up in new clothes 01:39:58 and with new abilities 01:40:02 shittest 01:40:04 evolution 01:40:05 ever 01:40:17 oh, higher stats, too 01:40:32 that's just the clothes evolving 01:40:41 well clothes have all the real power in an RPG 01:40:48 humans exist only for the purpose of wearing them 01:40:54 yes 01:40:54 -!- DHeadshot has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:40:59 you mean pokemon ranger? 01:41:00 well, underwear doesn't 01:41:08 it's integral to the human condition 01:41:21 (nobody bring up those mods 01:41:23 ) 01:41:24 Fiora: Pokémon Conquest 01:41:36 Ranger doesn't have any human evolution, or even any Pokémon evolution 01:41:39 OH, pokemon conquest 01:41:45 wait, that had humans evolve? I don't remmber that 01:42:01 did you know: humans evolve irl too 01:42:02 Fiora: it happens once guaranteed in the main storyline (after the first attempt to battle illusio/terrera) 01:42:06 the others are all optional 01:42:15 Fiora, considering how shit it sounds i'm not surprised 01:42:17 and normally happen when you reach a certain percentage with your perfect link 01:42:24 ahhh 01:42:34 ... shit...? gosh pokemon conquest was great 01:42:35 elliott: it takes, like, forever, though. 01:43:09 it only works for storyline characters, and normally they have generic abilities beforehand, and customized abilities afterwards which are really powerful 01:43:12 btw how did the "bike is a biologist" thing even start because i'm pretty sure i never described myself that way 01:43:32 e.g. oichi goes from "sweet song" (restore 50 hp to each unit), to "soft light" (restore 100 hp + status to each unit) 01:43:48 sweet song is broken enough as it is (although many units get it), so the upgrade is quite mindboggling 01:43:51 Fiora, i mean the evolution part 01:43:52 Bike: i think you did 01:44:00 sometimes the evolved ability has nothing to do with the original ability though 01:44:00 `pastelogs bike.*biolog 01:44:10 i'd expect to get an extra arm or elbow-caps or something with a name like that 01:44:11 err, skill, not ability, using the correct word is important! for some reason I don't really understand 01:44:24 it's more just like a class upgrade type thing 01:44:29 I think 01:44:31 http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.12411 01:44:35 who knows, it's Pokémon 01:44:38 ais523: ok so, tell me how i could convince you that buying me a new computer is morally required 01:44:46 it frequently misuses the word "evolution" really badly 01:44:51 elliott: that might be immoral, though 01:44:52 pokemon conquest is kind of more like a pokemon-themed nobunaga's-ambition-type thing though 01:45:06 elliott, i could rough him up with a pipe or something next time i'm in the midlands? 01:45:09 Fiora: it literally is nobunaga's ambition with a Pokémon theme and mechanics 01:45:18 2013-04-04.txt:00:31:52: Bike is a biologist??????????????????????????????????? 01:45:21 2013-04-04.txt:00:32:02: a wannabe biologist 01:45:24 thanks shachaf 01:45:26 it's called "Pokémon + Nobunaga's Ambition" (appropriately translated) in Japan 01:45:27 wasn't it called pokemon x nobunaga's ambition in japan? 01:45:31 oh. + 01:45:33 elliott: not the same, imo. 01:45:35 ais523: surely not divulging information about your morals isn't very lawful good 01:45:40 what do you have to hide 01:45:48 elliott: but the information might be used for evil 01:45:53 elliott: heyyyyy i mentioned aczel there 01:46:14 ais523: no, I'll only use it to convince you to buy me a new computer for moral reasons 01:46:14 elliott, but ais is lawful weird, not lawful good 01:46:20 therefore it will only result in you taking moral actions 01:46:27 wow i talk about biology a lot rad 01:46:32 as you can see, I'm being very transparent about the whole thing 01:46:53 in the non-Japan version, it's not advertised as being in the Nobunaga's Ambition series because nobody had heard of it 01:46:57 but they do have loads of references 01:47:08 like stealing /all/ the non-Pokémon characters (except Hero/Heroine) from it 01:47:19 `? conspirabiology 01:47:20 and giving Nobunaga a (post-evolution) skill called Ambition 01:47:21 conspirabiology is where moth colourings form a dot matrix display to send you subliminal messages. 01:47:28 `? brainf**k 01:47:29 There is no such thing as brainf**k. You may be thinking of brainfuck. 01:47:36 `? burma 01:47:37 ask Bike 01:47:42 cool 01:48:15 elliott: this log clearly shows you saying i'm "like, a biologist" before i say i'm anything. 01:48:21 so, fuck you. 01:48:37 is Bike actually a biologist? 01:48:46 also IIRC fucking elliott is illegal 01:48:55 or used to be, at least 01:48:56 um no 01:48:57 isn't the age of consent 16 in northumberland 01:49:05 elliott is eminently fuckable by eminent domain 01:49:07 i've been fuckable for like almost a year! 01:49:15 albeit in only one sense of the word 01:49:21 also what i actually am is, an undergrad. 01:49:25 worse than slime imo 01:49:32 this conversation took a weird turn 01:49:35 bike/elliott? 01:49:38 also, isn't "eminent domain" the US name for what's called "compulsory purchase" in the UK? 01:49:44 yes 01:49:46 whoops, I forgot that Fiora was a shipper 01:49:50 c.c 01:49:54 she'll make you remember 01:49:55 is is that bad 01:49:55 !!!!! 01:50:01 Fiora: no, I just envy you for it 01:50:07 envy...? 01:50:19 `quote 450 01:50:20 450) oerjan: I'm not imaginative enough to write truly great slash fiction 01:50:42 oh. I'm not either 01:50:58 oh right :( 01:51:18 Fiora: i think you disappointed ais523 01:51:36 but you know how you could make up for it? write elliott/kmc that makes the stars cry in joy 01:51:37 I can write fic but I'm probably really out of practice 01:51:48 and the problem with slash is it's porn and I absolutely can't write porn 01:51:53 I wrote some NetHack fanfiction once 01:52:04 it might be difficult because elliott and i have never seen each other and Fiora has never seen either of us? 01:52:23 kmc: but you and elliott both actually exist 01:52:37 kmc: love knows no barriers 01:52:38 that's got to be some sort of advantage, most fanfiction is about characters who don't exist 01:52:56 Fiora: /tasteful/ slash 01:52:59 it's "erotic" not "porn" 01:53:00 gosh. 01:53:05 gosh 01:53:06 if all else fails, you can use the standard plots involving wormholes that are capable of connecting multiple continuities 01:53:20 worm-gloryhole 01:53:22 Bike: okay, I can't write erotic fiction 01:53:45 (the US and Hexham are different continuities, right?) 01:55:22 Bike: you're welcome (for what??) 01:55:24 ais523: yeah, that's why this channel is full of plot holes 01:55:46 now I want to write a continuity-based esolang 01:56:02 like, it takes the form of a story, and has some sort of algorithmic method for automatically resolving continuity errors 01:56:19 in order to form a loop, you'd have to write it such that resolving a contradiction in one part of it caused a contradiction in another 01:57:24 why do i know so many people in california 01:57:37 because california is great 01:57:43 maybe i should go and visit (for reasons other than enabling elliott/kmc slash) 01:57:45 and I don't think Canada is canon 01:57:47 elliott: because california is huge 01:58:04 is is the most populous state in the US 01:58:07 i think i view california as like the size of ireland 01:58:13 but really long and thin 01:58:18 instead of ireland's more balanced shape 01:58:27 please don't tell me how much bigger california is than ireland 01:58:44 hmm… including california in the story would be cheating 01:58:46 http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=area+of+california+%2F+area+of+united+kingdom 01:58:47 > 423970 / 84421 01:58:48 5.022091659658142 01:58:49 because it's internally inconsistent 01:58:56 (that's not ireland, i know) 01:59:07 yo remember when i said please don't tell me how much bigger california is than ireland 01:59:10 > 423970 / 229848 01:59:11 1.8445668441752812 01:59:15 and shachaf says i'm mean!! 01:59:30 elliott: I remember when Stephen Wolfram was demonstrating Wolfram Alpha in a seminar 01:59:36 and asked it for the tides in Norwich 01:59:58 i'm... waiting for the punchline 01:59:59 If California were a country, as of 2012 it would have the 9th largest economy in the world 02:00:06 didn't it use to be 7th 02:00:17 "woow california u'r slipping" 02:00:26 elliott: well he didn't even notice that it picked an arbitrary nearby-ish coastal town to report on 02:00:29 because Norwich is landlocked 02:00:33 haha 02:00:41 ps i know nothing about UK geology 02:01:01 I know rather too much about the geography of East Anglia 02:01:12 it's the county I spend the most time in, other than the West Midlands 02:01:17 east anglia sounds like a body part 02:01:22 and not even for the same reason each time 02:01:22 like maybe it's in your throat 02:01:27 your east anglia 02:01:36 i don't think too many body parts have cardinal directions in their names 02:01:51 I think east anglia is mostly famous for being flat 02:01:56 kmc: well that's what's interesting about the east anglia 02:01:57 -!- mnoqy has joined. 02:02:01 it's essentially your body's compass 02:02:06 because it maintains itself to always point east 02:02:06 like, you can stand on top of a 2m high wall 02:02:19 kmc: this is why, if your lose your throat, you're not very good at directions any more 02:02:26 and be on the highest point for miles around, with your view limited only by the curvature of the Earth (rather than the more common being limited by high ground) 02:02:27 makes sense 02:02:42 they have watercourses cut which are just a couple of metres lower than the land 02:03:02 it has some of the most repetitive areas to drive through in the UK :) 02:03:08 shachaf: hey have you seen the new super mega todaY? "Chin" 02:03:22 (not that I can drive) 02:03:35 oh, it also has the A11, which is great 02:03:35 mnoqy: nope 02:03:38 `smlist 02:03:39 smlist: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy 02:03:51 mnoqy: thanks 02:03:55 mostly because it's used to test out new cats eyes replacements, for allowing drivers to see road markings in the dark 02:04:05 there's a stretch that has like 8 or 9 different new experimental ones 02:04:14 so it's quite fun to drive at night 02:04:42 apparently mirc understands utf-8 but pcre doesn't 02:04:46 that's annoying 02:04:51 seems to be on the right track now though 02:05:09 finally, its coast is superior to weston-super-mare 02:05:11 \o/ \o/ \m/ \m/ _o/\o_ ಠ_ಠ 02:05:11 | | `\o/´ | | ¯|¯⌠ 02:05:11 |\ /| | /< /| /`\| 02:05:11 /'¯|_) 02:05:11 (_| 02:05:23 glorious 02:05:36 `? myndzi 02:05:38 myndzi? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:05:38 | 02:05:39 o/`¯º 02:05:39 forgot one 02:05:46 \o/ \o/ \m/ \m/ _o/\o_ ಠ_ಠ ¯\(°_o)/¯ 02:05:46 | | `\o/´ | | ¯|¯⌠ | | 02:05:46 /'\ /'\ | >\/< |\|/| º¯`\o 02:05:47 /'\ 02:05:47 (_| |_) 02:05:49 beautiful 02:05:51 the cause of all this trouble :P 02:05:57 hehe 02:06:05 this is the script that lead to myndzi not being signed up to Agora, right? 02:06:07 it should complete c.c to a 7-eyed multiocular one 02:06:08 good news: got to clean the script up a little 02:06:17 ais523: ? 02:06:29 myndzi: do you not remember that? 02:06:29 ais523, why the fuck would you spend time in east anglia 02:06:37 kmc: i can't exactly edit the contents of YOUR message :P 02:06:38 Phantom_Hoover: it's a different reason each time, often 02:06:41 isn't it just there to be the butt of the geographic joke in alan partridge 02:06:45 myndzi: no I mean 02:06:46 c.c 02:06:47 c.c.c 02:06:48 c.c 02:06:49 frequently it's because it's on the way to cambridge 02:06:59 ais523: no, i don't think i've ever been likely to participate in nomic 02:07:06 oh that's why I've been to East Anglia 02:07:09 but i have no idea why the script would prevent me (?) 02:07:12 ais523, how... wh 02:07:13 (the trains to cambridge from Birmingham go via East Anglia, for some reason, even though it isn't actually on the way) 02:07:19 wait hm 02:07:23 what 02:07:24 no I was going from London, doesn't make sense 02:07:25 Phantom_Hoover: that's a good question 02:08:22 there's no obvious reason to build a railway line such that it overshoots its destination and then backtracks 02:08:57 wait is Cambridge in east anglia 02:09:06 not quite, it's close though 02:09:06 wikipedia thinks so 02:09:17 it is, unsurprisingly, in cambridgeshire 02:09:22 myndzi: i second kmc's feature request 02:09:31 "The University of Cambridge, established at the start of the 13th century and situated in the town of the same name, is East Anglia's best-known institution of higher learning, and is among the oldest and most famous universities in the world" 02:10:06 hmm, apparently cambridgeshire is officially part of east anglia 02:10:23 along with norfolk, suffolk, and essex, whichis what I thought was the official definition 02:10:24 lol 02:10:27 okay 02:10:33 (this is the Wikipedia definition of "apparently", not the Reddit definition) 02:12:05 I remember in Couplings the girl saying "apparently" meant she was upset 02:12:10 hth 02:12:16 hi 02:12:23 hi mnoqy 02:12:34 what's the reddit defn 02:12:35 Koen_: here, "apparently" normally means "I've read this on Reddit recently" 02:12:38 hi mnoqy 02:12:45 haha 02:12:48 people read reddit? 02:12:53 although it can also be used for "this is claimed to be true by Wikipedia" 02:12:59 mnoqy: I read some of the subreddits, some of the time 02:13:14 I didn't know either of those definitions 02:13:16 > drop 8 "San Francisco" 02:13:18 "cisco" 02:13:27 Koen_: well they aren't really standard English 02:13:30 > splitAt 8 "San Francisco" 02:13:31 ("San Fran","cisco") 02:13:35 reader's digets used to call that city Frisco 02:13:59 ais523: I ain't really English neither so that's fine by me 02:14:07 oh and guys 02:14:16 I'VE GOT AN APPARTMENT WITH VIEW ON THE EIFFEL TOWER 02:14:24 "view of" 02:14:28 -!- sprocklem has joined. 02:14:29 well, "a view o" 02:14:36 do you want me to say that again 02:14:36 *"a veiw of" 02:14:45 (I actually caught the las typo but let it in because muphry's law) 02:14:47 I'VE GOT AN APPARTMENT WITH A VIEW OF THE EIFFEL TOWER 02:14:55 /A view from the left/ 02:15:00 also my f key is not working properly 02:15:10 are apartments hard to obtain in Paris? 02:15:15 yes 02:15:23 this is where I say something about how the Eiffel Tower is ugly and overrated 02:15:28 in order to sound cool 02:15:32 well I don't own it I'm gonna be renting it 02:15:54 well rent half of it anyway, i'll have a room mate 02:15:57 kmc: I have no idea whether the Eiffel Tower is underrated or overrated 02:16:11 although I'd say that this conversation is reasonably good evidence that it exists 02:16:14 like, not perfect 02:16:17 kmc: it's the eiffel tower. what more do you need? 02:16:18 i've got an apartment in san francisco with a view of some hills 02:16:23 but I think Koen_ is reasonably trustworthy in terms of existence of landmarks 02:16:36 kmc: are they anthills 02:16:43 not sure 02:16:45 v. big ants maybe 02:16:57 I live close enough to the edge of Birmingham that it's reasonable to just walk out of it, into countryside 02:17:05 ais523: I've got a vague memory of visiting it when I was a kid 02:17:12 we used to drive past fields with cows and sheep in on the way to school 02:17:18 well mostly I've got a memory of queueing to visit it 02:17:58 how expensive is san francisco (i know literally nothing about the world) 02:18:04 v. 02:18:14 elliott: more so than hexham 02:18:19 how expensive is v. expensive? 02:18:24 http://sfist.com/attachments/SFist_Brock/SF-Infographic.png 02:18:37 how expensive is hexham 02:18:42 heh c.c 02:18:43 actually I have come to the conclusion that Subway (the sandwich chain) is one of the better ways to compare the relative expense of places 02:18:44 wut 02:18:45 what 02:18:52 because it's really common, and less prone to cultural differences than McDonalds is 02:18:59 these are not US dollars right kmc right 02:19:02 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 02:19:04 these are US dollars 02:19:06 per month 02:19:08 also, Subway prices vary noticeably even within one city in the UK, unlike McDonalds 02:19:17 kmc: oh 02:19:20 that is a lot of money 02:19:30 Yeah, the price of a Subway sandwich is probably a better barometer. 02:19:41 Due to varying rather a bit more based on supply chain. 02:19:47 to rent a 1 bedroom apartment, which is the most expensive way for one person to live, compared to sharing a bigger apt 02:19:54 also which one of these is silicon valley 02:19:57 none 02:20:00 thanks 02:20:03 pikhq: I've seen a difference of £2.30 just within the uK 02:20:05 *UK 02:20:07 this is SF proper which is only 7 miles on a side 02:20:13 Silicon Valley is like 30 miles south of there 02:20:21 o c.c 02:20:22 c.c.c 02:20:22 c.c 02:20:31 kmc: you guys have like the biggest fucking country ever and you pack everything into no space whatsoever 02:20:32 \o/ c.c \o/ 02:20:32 | c.c.c | 02:20:32 >\ c.c >\ 02:20:36 how dumb are you 02:20:38 lols 02:20:40 elliott: yes because it's useful to live near other people 02:20:42 that one makes no sense 02:20:47 i think by useful you mean horrible 02:20:48 cities are expensive because people want to live there 02:20:50 but i f igured it'd be easy to add ;) 02:20:57 elliott: even despite the packing, it's apparently impossible to live without driving in the US, in most cases 02:21:04 Also, we're not as crammed as you think. 02:21:10 SF has a serious housing shortage though 02:21:15 whereas in the UK, it's possible to get from Birmingham to Hexham entirely along cycle paths 02:21:16 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 02:21:16 thanks to inept planning, zoning, NIMBYs, etc 02:21:21 (not that you'd want to, but the possibility exists) 02:21:26 i'm told that in the UK, NIMBYs are known as CAVE people 02:21:28 I'd want to 02:21:32 Citizens Against Virtually Everything 02:21:38 kmc: NIMBY is pretty common in the UK too 02:21:46 good 02:21:49 I guess it's more specific 02:21:59 should i move to sf 02:22:05 if you can afford it, yes 02:22:06 That's only, uh, 200 miles. 02:22:17 200 miles 02:22:18 maybe i'll get a job first 02:22:25 -!- tertu has joined. 02:22:25 elliott: of course pay scales up to match rents, somewhat 02:22:28 that's almost three days if you're riding a bike 02:22:28 at least if you're a software engineer 02:22:30 don't move unless you have a reason to move 02:22:50 hmm, I think zzo38 would explain it better than me 02:22:52 albeit less directly 02:22:59 eventually SF will have only software engineers and homeless schizophrenic people who sleep at the BART station 02:23:07 ais523: i live in a small windowless room in a city that used to have the most murders per capita in the country 02:23:11 at least this is one of the dystopian scenarios that people are worrying a lot about 02:23:17 shachaf: isn't that illegal? 02:23:23 is it? 02:23:28 one of the UK housing regulations is that all rooms used for sleeping must have a window 02:23:33 hmm 02:23:37 and it seems like a sensible rule for elsewhere too 02:23:39 well, maybe it is 02:23:41 that's common in the US too 02:23:52 this means that large dormitories tend to have shapes designed to maximise surface area 02:23:57 my friend lived in a windowless room in NYC and there was a sticker on the door like "DON'T LIST THIS ROOM ON CRAIGSLIST WITHOUT ASKING US FIRST" 02:24:07 Koen_: That's just a bit over the distance from Colorado Springs to the CO-KS boarder. 02:24:10 Erm, border. 02:24:18 oh so france isn't the only country that has rules about the size and shape of a bed? 02:24:28 ais523: https://www.google.com/search?q=simmons+hall&tbm=isch 02:24:34 kmc: hmm, so the rule exists in the US, just people break it and think they'd be unlikely to be caught? 02:24:42 some places they do 02:24:42 pikhq: you're not cool now I have to google CO-KS 02:24:49 Koen_: Colorado-Kansas. 02:24:55 housing in NYC is insane enough that people will put up with a lot of sketchy 02:25:12 the windowless part is p. bad..............i should move 02:25:17 in that case, I guess the difference in the UK is that people think they'd be more likely to be caught 02:25:23 maybe they do it in London? 02:25:24 actually, they probably would, mostly because of council tax 02:25:35 when there's a tax tied to what sort of accommodation you live in 02:25:40 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 02:25:49 government authorities become better at figuring out whether accommodation is legal 02:26:00 ais523: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Mac_Index#Manipulation 02:26:07 pikhq: hmmmm okay 02:26:18 "Guillermo Moreno, Secretary of Commerce in the Kirchner government, reportedly forced McDonald's to sell the Big Mac at an artificially low price to manipulate the country's performance on the Big Mac index" 02:26:27 yup that looks like 2~3 days 02:26:40 kmc: somehow I'm not surprised 02:26:44 also I'm not sure I could bike 200 miles in 3 days 02:26:47 but i'm kind of a wimp 02:27:01 i like how "bike" just looks like a name to me now 02:27:14 well I did 200 in 4 days and didn't feel dead, so probably I could 02:27:18 I biked 250 km in two days a couple years ago 02:27:33 if you can convert that to your weird units 02:27:36 i can't ride a bicycle "help" 02:27:44 155 mi 02:27:47 `which units 02:27:49 ​/hackenv/bin/units 02:28:22 `units 250km mi 02:28:24 kmc: it has frink! 02:28:24 ​Definition: 4.02336e+08 m^2 02:28:27 ohhhhh right for some reason I was assuming miles/km was the same as dollar/euro 02:28:27 you should use it instead of units 02:28:29 i don't know frink 02:28:35 `frink 250 km -> miles 02:28:37 `addquote ohhhhh right for some reason I was assuming miles/km was the same as dollar/euro 02:28:51 1953125/12573 (approx. 155.3427980593335) 02:28:51 … 02:28:53 1058) ohhhhh right for some reason I was assuming miles/km was the same as dollar/euro 02:29:17 I like how 250km mi was interpreted as a surface 02:29:30 ohhhhh right for some reason I was assuming miles/km was the same as dollar/euro ← it's pretty close to pound/dollar, sometimes 02:29:46 frink is very cool 02:30:14 `frink 250 km*mi -> square inches 02:30:20 79200000000000/127 (approx. 6.236220472440945e11) 02:30:30 Koen_: The mile's not a weird unit! Why, it's quite simply 1760 yards! 02:30:37 `frink 100 kB 02:30:37 A yard of course being 3 feet. 02:30:45 Warning: undefined symbol "kB". \ 100 kB (undefined symbol) 02:30:47 kmc: once upon a time USD/INS was ~ gallon/litre 02:30:52 how long is your feet 02:30:54 I wanted it to interpret it as kilobels 02:30:59 And an international yard being 0.9144m. 02:31:07 how loog is your foot* and don't make me ask how long your inch is 02:31:15 kmc: so you could compare some prices pretty directly 02:31:25 is inch a synonym for thumb? 02:31:28 `frink ??moon 02:31:35 ​[moonmass = 7.3483e+22 kg (mass), \ moondist = 3.84400000e+8 m (length), \ moonlum = 2500 m^-2 cd (illuminance), \ moongravity = 1.62 m s^-2 (acceleration), \ moonradius = 1738000 m (length)] 02:31:38 Koen_: in the UK, 1 foot = 12 inches = 12 * 2.54 millimetres 02:31:44 And a survey yard being 3937/3600 m. 02:31:55 `frink 100*1000*10 decibels 02:31:57 ais523: US and UK "foot" are identical. 02:32:00 UK and US have the same inch/foot 02:32:02 Warning: undefined symbol "decibels". \ 1000000 decibels (undefined symbol) 02:32:05 `frink 100*1000*10 decibel 02:32:08 but not the same fluid ounce :/ 02:32:13 Warning: undefined symbol "decibel". \ 1000000 decibel (undefined symbol) 02:32:14 :( 02:32:18 you can define units 02:32:24 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:MetricImperialUSCustomaryUnits.jpg 02:32:27 yeah but bels work on a log scale 02:32:37 e.g. http://futureboy.us/frinkdata/units.txt 02:32:39 which is why the idea of a kilobel or megabel is so earthshattering 02:32:41 ais523: Koen_: in the UK, 1 foot = 12 inches = 12 * 2.54 millimetres 02:32:44 -!- madbr has joined. 02:32:45 Though the US also has survey feet. 02:32:52 somebody told me that the strength of british beer is scaled to the fact that a UK pint, a US pint, and a continental whatever are different sizes 02:33:17 that's like 3 centimetres ais523 02:33:26 err, 2.54 centimetres 02:33:29 25.4 millimetres 02:33:47 1 survey foot = 12 survey inches = 12 * 100/3937m. 02:34:10 grand. 02:34:23 alternatively you could make one of the continuity-piercing wormholes 10 times bigger? 02:34:37 ais523: 30 centimetres? SERIOUSLY 02:34:44 I thought I had big feet 02:34:44 Koen_: yeah, about 30 centimetres 02:34:54 I'm not sure whose feet they are 02:34:58 Used for surveying purposes because the US length units were defined accordingly before settling on a single length unit set with the UK. 02:35:03 stores here don't even make shoes for 30-centimetres feet 02:35:41 My feet are larger than a foot? 02:35:42 pikhq: huh, I assumed the US used the same units as the UK because they were the same pre-independence 02:35:44 maybe not? 02:36:10 ais523: The US established its own definitions of them, which were mostly similar but not identical. 02:36:13 ais523: yeah, france booted you out of america for a reason :-) 02:36:32 Koen_: well I wasn't in America at the time 02:36:45 Hence why the pre-international US and UK feet were merely *almost* identical. 02:37:17 you guys have international feet? didn't anyone give you a head's up about the metric system? 02:37:29 how much beer do you get when you ask for a pint on the continent 02:37:29 koen can you say that with a straight face 02:37:32 500 mL? 02:37:37 kmc: yes 02:37:39 I remember reading the history of the foot on wikipedia a bit back 02:37:41 International, international nautical, *and* US survey. 02:37:43 30cm is huge though 02:37:46 it's like. wow that's a big foot 02:38:22 well it's not like the inch is actually the same length as anyone's actual inches 02:38:24 hm yeah 02:38:30 my foot is about 28 cm long 02:38:39 my foot is about 1 elliott foot long 02:38:52 that's a big foot 02:39:01 elliott: are they all the same length 02:39:01 yeah 02:39:05 i wear men's US size 13 wide 02:39:24 actually my feet are slightly different in size 02:39:34 I think mine are about ~22.5cm? I'm not sure they differ in size though 02:39:36 Funny, that's my shoe size as well. 02:39:37 mine too 02:39:50 Maybe I'm misremembering and my feet are merely nearly a foot in length. 02:39:53 *shrug* 02:39:54 I wear a size 5.5 or 6 usually since it depends on brand 02:39:59 elliott: yeah I was doing speleology with that guy Mathieu once, and he was measuring every height we had to climb down in "decamathieus" 02:40:03 my right foot is also like at least half a size bigger for some weird reason 02:40:14 Fiora: that's quite common 02:40:25 i am perfectly symmetrical 02:40:45 I am perfectly 02:40:57 shachaf: is that so 02:41:02 it's just like annoying when I am like "okay a 5.5 would fit my left perfectly but now my right foot won't fit and aksdjfls" 02:41:09 kmc: no 02:41:16 kmc: i don't think so anyway 02:41:17 kmc: is it? 02:41:45 so kmc has like 9 sizes larger than me 02:41:57 Fiora: i hugged kmc when he was visiting in san francisco and it was great 02:42:00 imo you should try it 02:42:22 I was with that woman and she saw a butterfly and she said it was wonderful how butterflies were perfectly symmetrical and I told her she was symmetrical too and then she started talking about her breasts 02:42:32 what 02:42:47 thats a great pickup line 02:43:10 kmchugs 02:43:29 km chugs 02:43:39 mnoqy: what, talking about butterflies? 02:44:04 if that's what you're into 02:45:20 "I like the way you butterfly, girl." 02:45:55 hmm, would elliott be horrified to discover that I've actually started conversations with girls? 02:46:02 it feels vaguely similar to pickup lines 02:46:09 why 02:46:12 wh..at 02:46:13 except that you aren't trying to build up to ask them out on a date 02:46:17 just talk to them 02:46:21 ... 02:46:24 -!- elliott has left. 02:46:28 I started a conversation with a female of the species once 02:46:31 I think I broke him 02:46:33 or at least, I think I did 02:46:34 shouldn't it feel similar to actually just talking to people 02:46:37 alise is a girl's name right? 02:46:52 shachaf: starting a conversation is different from talking to people 02:46:54 * Fiora feels vaguely out of place in this conversation 02:47:11 and starting a conversation with someone of the opposite gender has social awkwardness built in 02:47:27 wow what happened to this channel 02:47:35 Fiora: does this make you awkward? :V 02:47:37 ais523: ? 02:47:44 that was funny :( 02:47:45 well, if you're aware they're of the opposite gender 02:47:47 nobody laughed 02:47:47 feel* 02:48:09 continuing a conversation is pretty easy, though 02:48:14 coppro: i cried & i think thats close enough 02:48:33 mnoqy: are you even old enough to get the reference? 02:48:39 I wouldn't know I usually don't talk to girls I just stalk them at night 02:48:41 yeah i know who alise is 02:48:42 it's pretty effective 02:48:43 -!- elliott has joined. 02:48:48 has everyone stopped being terrible yet 02:48:49 Koen_................ 02:48:49 Koen_: ? 02:48:50 no 02:48:52 elliott: they really haven't 02:48:53 theyre all still terrible 02:48:54 aight 02:48:55 elliott: no it's gotten worse 02:48:57 -!- elliott has left. 02:49:05 -!- Fiora has left ("I think I'm going to join elliott in some better place"). 02:49:07 also I agree with mnoqy and fizzie 02:49:09 *Fiora 02:49:20 hey, no fair parting and screwing up my tab complete 02:49:21 mnoqy: ok then 02:49:28 I'm gonna go to bed bye 02:49:31 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"). 02:49:32 bi 02:50:21 o no 02:51:19 wait, kmc still has voice? 02:51:24 I thought that was a one-time joke or something 02:51:24 hell yes i do 02:51:31 it's a one-time joke and that time is now 02:54:44 bleh, I was going to voice Gregor 02:54:46 but he's already voiced 02:55:39 TRAGEDY 02:55:47 -!- madbr has left. 02:57:03 kmc: hahahahahahahahahah i get it 02:57:05 it's funny 02:57:51 OK, coppro's reaction is funny 02:59:44 http://cdn.meme.li/instances/400x/32780540.jpg 02:59:58 wait, people are posting image macros on IRC, now? 03:00:38 sad that Fiora left 03:00:46 again 03:00:56 -!- augur has joined. 03:01:06 Yes. 03:01:37 kmc: I keep forgetting that I can't generally trust even people in #esoteric to behave themselves 03:01:42 ais523: I just googled for it 03:01:45 I dunno if that counts 03:01:47 if it does, then yes 03:02:04 how does the method via which you found it have any influence on what it is? 03:02:26 I don't know the technical definition of image macro 03:02:46 nor do I 03:02:59 it's probably defined on urban dictionary, though 03:03:01 * ais523 checks 03:03:19 who needs a defn. it's easy to see it's awful and why would anyone post it jeez 03:03:28 yep 03:03:39 mnoqy: this is actually entirely based on the URL 03:03:57 URLreading is a skill that can be quite finely developed if you're the sort of person who seldom clicks on links 03:04:09 also who's alise 03:04:16 old nick for elliott 03:04:34 which was a worthwhile experiment in Internet attitudes IMO 03:04:55 -!- elliott has joined. 03:04:58 is it over yet 03:05:27 depends on what you mean by "it" 03:05:32 the conversation is still bad, except on a different topic 03:05:40 like, it's moronic rather than creepy 03:05:44 it's about alise now 03:05:57 well, not the alise stuff, the image macro stuff 03:06:34 this sounds like not "over" 03:07:09 hey, who do you think is a better cleanup wall in VGC, Ferrothorn or Reuniclus? 03:09:05 which one is VGC again? 03:09:29 4 from 6, level 50, doubles 03:09:38 ah. in that case no idea 03:09:45 but I'll vote reuniclus because he looks funnier 03:14:32 elliott: what did you learn by being alise 03:19:29 well anyway 03:20:18 referring to a woman as 'a female' is a standard speech pattern among creepers 03:20:25 which doesn't mean you're a creeper just for saying that, but it might be best avoided 03:21:11 It is? Huh. 03:21:43 i mean it is very common even among people who are not creepers 03:21:48 but it does have that association, at least for me 03:21:50 Hrm. 03:22:03 pick up artists &c. 03:22:11 -!- copumpkin has changed nick to SmoothPUA. 03:22:16 c.c 03:22:20 kmc: hey babe 03:22:23 what's up? 03:22:27 a/s/l/? 03:22:34 SmoothPUA: not funny 03:22:35 seriously 03:22:37 -!- SmoothPUA has changed nick to copumpkin. 03:22:39 SmoothPUA: i don't want to have sex with you because you failed to subtly insult me 03:22:43 damn 03:22:48 rookie mistake 03:22:50 It more has an association of someone without any actual connection with women. Like, view them purely in the abstract. 03:22:59 ... I guess that would be "creeper", yes. 03:23:00 was there a joke there 03:23:02 ais523: sorry! 03:23:19 mnoqy: it was a really bad one that it's not worth trying to understand 03:23:22 or, rather, Poe's Law 03:23:40 pretty sure Poe's Law isn't relevant here 03:23:42 kmc: i find "a female" (noun) much worse than "female" (adjective), is it only me? 03:23:51 err, probably, I keep getting them mudled up 03:23:52 not having too much trouble distinguishing whether copumpkin is being serious 03:23:55 shachaf: it's same for me 03:23:56 shachaf: reminds me of "an illegal" 03:24:01 which is a usage I hate 03:24:21 sometimes i say "female people" when e.g. i want to be age-neutral 03:24:27 (or "male people") 03:24:31 [[why the heck are we even talking about this gone damn]] 03:24:39 dayum 03:24:48 sheeeeiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit 03:24:57 clay, is that you? 03:24:58 when a conversation goes downhill and peters out because of it 03:25:11 the correct response is not to notice it in scrollback, then retroactively attempt to add to it 03:25:31 i think some amount of metadiscussion about what's ok and isn't ok is reasonable 03:25:49 shachaf: sure, that's fine, but it has to be discussion about what's acceptable in the channel, not in general 03:26:56 i saw this as friendly advice on how to avoid being unintentionally creepy 03:26:58 *shrug* 03:27:01 we can talk about something else 03:27:15 can we talk about hugs 03:27:20 i like hugs 03:27:30 haskell user's golfing system 03:27:35 wait, gofer (?) 03:27:54 let's have ais523 tell us what is bad and unacceptable, because I just tuned in a little while ago and am sorry for doing that, but I'm not entirely sure what was wrong with it so it would help me to understand (I'm not even doing this rhetorically) 03:28:41 copumpkin: basically because it's clear that different people have substantially different ideas of where the line is 03:29:04 the line for creepy PUA-like behavior you mean? 03:29:08 03:29:15 the line for gender/sexism discussion 03:29:16 03:29:54 so it's impossible to hold a discussion without either some people thinking it's going round in circles, or other people thinking it's unacceptable 03:30:20 as such, the conversation is almost guaranteed to go downhill when spread across the channel as a whole 03:30:24 even if I only just realised that in the past hour or so 03:30:29 hmm, fair enough 03:30:38 (even though it would probably work between any two individual members) 03:31:14 I enjoy mocking the PUA mentality in various ways, but I'll refrain from pretending to engage in it henceforth 03:31:18 maybe it's relevant that copumpkin and i are both guys and we've met in person 03:31:37 kmc: I don't think so, perhaps it is? 03:31:40 I can't see why it would be 03:31:47 there wasn't much risk of me misinterpreting his joke 03:32:02 yeah but it's not in PM 03:32:08 right 03:32:12 so there are 61 other people who might potentially misinterpret it 03:32:25 yeah, I buy that 03:32:41 shrug, it's one thing to say people shouldn't make jokes making fun of PUA or whatever, it's another thing to say that all discussion of sexism is banned because it causes the channel to go "downhill" 03:32:52 it sounds like you're arguing the latter and i'm not ok with that 03:32:55 i think it is pretty weird that ais523 is calling out copumpkin but not whath appened earlier 03:33:13 it is 03:33:19 yep 03:33:29 hey, getting called out is good, I've been thoroughly indoctrinated by my job 03:33:29 elliott: I'm not really trying to pick on people, I'm trying to shut down the subject 03:33:42 which involves notifying people that I'm trying to get rid of it 03:33:42 well it obviously isn't working 03:33:47 copumpkin: dare I ask what your jerb is? 03:33:55 this is easier when someone's trying to start/restart a conversation, than when the conversation's in full swing 03:34:00 Gracenotes: I'm a professional criticizee/criticizer 03:34:09 /msg ChanServ CLEAR #esoteric USERS 03:34:13 that's why they pay you the big bucks 03:34:15 "shuts down a subject" 03:34:16 hth 03:34:27 Gracenotes: something like that :P 03:34:37 nah, I write software 03:34:48 nooodl: well clearly you can do something really obnoxious so that the conversation switches to what an awful op you are, rather than about what the conversation was about before 03:35:03 but that only works limited times, and is sort-of hostile to your continuing presence in the channel 03:35:21 hey guys I made a kitten cry the other day by stealing its saucer of milk 03:35:32 kittens can cry? 03:35:32 copumpkin: did you read _The Door into Summer_ 03:35:36 no 03:36:01 ais523: see, I didn't know that either. Learn new things every day! 03:36:07 you write software? how unusual 03:36:15 Gracenotes: yeah, really unexpected isn't it! 03:36:27 fwiw, though, I wasn't intending to single out copumpkin, rather I was trying to inform em about something e might have missed due to not being in the conversation earlier and/or not being able to read my mind 03:37:08 perhaps it's like a Prolog program, where we normally query the software and get copumpkin, but you can also do it the other way around. 03:37:38 anyway shutting down discussion of social justice because it's an unpleasant topic for white men is pretty bad. and that may not be what ais523 is advocating, but it's not clear to me yet that he's not advocating that 03:37:38 no no, I appreciate it, really :) I mostly try to be as non-assholish as possible and it's good to be reminded when I fail 03:37:55 it's not something you can sort out in PM 03:37:59 because it's about *community* standards 03:38:45 the whole ironic asshole thing is something I'm trying to improve about. I should read some scrollback and then probably not bring it back up 03:41:39 while we're at the bottom of this hill, someone should rename "Stalker mode" on http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ 03:42:11 social justice is interesting because it requires prior education to talk about constructively; usually this education can't be communicated as part of a single discussion 03:42:20 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 03:42:25 I'm not entirely sure what the phrase means 03:43:32 "Social justice is justice exercised within a society, particularly as it is applied to and among the various social classes of a society." cool thanks wikipedia 03:43:54 bleh, even with a definition, I'm /still/ not entirely sure what the phrase means 03:44:07 i'm no expert but i just meant it as "talking about racism sexism etc. and what to do about them" 03:44:08 yes the joke is: that's not a very good definition 03:44:30 but basically yeah, not being dumb to marginalized groups, or "minorities" as the jargon goes 03:44:43 pretty esoteric stuff!! 03:44:58 achieving legal (de jure and de facto), cultural, and socioeconomic equity. 03:45:40 i thought ais523's issue was "objecting to things that are considered harmful by doing them sarcastically", not to talking about them in general 03:45:56 oh, wait 03:45:57 never mind 03:46:03 i was thinking of a different part of the conversation 03:46:14 being aware of the perpetuation of inequity and disavowing personal benefit from it 03:46:40 (and not denying that one benefits from it) 03:46:42 kmc: At least some of us are not heterosexual white men? 03:46:45 shachaf: my objection's to "continuing a discussion that's already been determined to be unhelpful via making a joke" 03:47:05 "determined to be unhelpful" 03:47:07 by whom 03:47:08 pikhq: thanks pikhq ☺ 03:47:24 oh, I took it as pointing out that the ironic thing gets old quickly 03:47:26 I'll keep taking it that way 03:47:38 And if I could get my girlfriend on here we could diversify shit even more. :P 03:48:01 hey, if we could get my 401k on here we could di-- 03:48:02 oh shit 03:48:05 no we couldn't :( 03:48:15 hm yeah 'disavow' might not have been the right word 03:48:16 c.c 03:48:36 abdicating? dunno 03:48:44 abstain 03:48:50 well, you can't, of course 03:49:09 di++ 03:49:24 yeah, some such things are active, others passive... 03:57:49 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 04:06:57 so anyone have ideas on doing arbitrary computation with iconv? 04:08:03 I guess for a conditional, you can convert back from UTF-8 04:08:09 or similar multibyte encodings 04:11:12 ideally you'd want some sort of encoding with frame ambiguity, though 04:11:17 UTF-8 is, sadly, designed to avoid that 04:12:39 but there are others :) 04:13:07 shift-jis I think 04:13:29 yeah, me not knowing how they work is a problem for working out ways to program with them, though 04:14:34 iconv also supports ISO-2022 which has state that persists across an arbitrary number of bytes 04:25:11 “You can’t hold the World Cup with hospitals” 04:25:19 he makes an excellent point there 04:28:12 -!- ais523 has left ("my worldview is inadequate"). 04:29:18 kmc: iconv state is finite (at best, ~16 words), isn't it? 04:39:10 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 04:52:45 for each pass yeah 04:52:57 but each pass can transform an arbitrary length byte sequence 04:53:07 you can't go back though 04:53:10 you would need to apply iconv many times and you would need some external mechanism for looping 04:53:13 right 04:53:23 or the goal is not "arbitrary computation" but something less ambitious 04:54:16 kmc: you may utilize a legacy encoding with no proper round trip 05:19:55 -!- mnoqy has joined. 05:49:13 -!- Taneb has joined. 06:04:18 -!- hogeyui has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 06:30:44 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:33:47 -!- hogeyui has joined. 07:01:54 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 07:02:01 -!- sprocklem has joined. 07:03:37 -!- heroux has joined. 07:08:20 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:09:36 -!- heroux has joined. 07:54:32 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 07:59:24 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:10:47 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 08:18:07 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 08:38:35 -!- sebbu has joined. 08:38:57 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:42:31 what's stalker mode? 08:44:02 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:44:29 oklopol: shows the log in real time 08:55:01 -!- nooodl has joined. 09:04:39 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:16:41 -!- oerjan has joined. 09:18:28 Work done is difference in kinetic energy. 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These are both measured in Joules 09:18:53 i have some quibbles with the mass times velocity part, as i distinctly recall 1/2 m v^2. 09:19:22 mass times velocity is momentum hth 09:19:33 hi oerjan 09:19:37 hichaf 09:19:43 when will you stop saying hth 09:20:04 when i find another overused meme to borrow 09:20:22 why not invent one 09:20:36 you can watch it spread 09:21:00 i recall reddit tried that once 09:21:33 iirc it was quite awful 09:21:51 are you talking about the carrot thing 09:21:57 and didn't precisely spread... yeah 09:22:08 beyond reddit 09:22:10 what about the monoid thing 09:22:17 too easy 09:22:21 i heard that was on ircnet 09:22:33 wow 09:22:45 'xactly 09:25:36 of course there's a writeup at http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/waffles-dont-you-mean-carrots 09:27:22 can http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog get $300,000 in 6 days y/n 09:35:05 incidentally armkrog means "bent arm" in danish hth 09:35:33 (s/g/k/ for norwegian) 09:44:05 Bike, hopefully past tense. The exam is in less than 11 hours <-- HE'S DOOMED 10:26:16 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 10:40:07 -!- Lumpio- has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 10:41:42 -!- Lumpio- has joined. 10:42:00 -!- Koen_ has joined. 11:01:06 21:39:48: im googling "huge bed" now #drugz 11:01:13 21:41:23: why is there furry porn and a picture of some socks. this is the worst image search ever 11:01:19 ECANNOT_REPRODUCE 11:02:56 they're further down 11:05:45 * oerjan realizes turning off safe search for this was a mistake 11:07:01 this upgraded OS behaves just weirdly and unfamiliarly enough for me to maintain my healthy sense of constant unease 11:07:08 very good decision 11:07:48 still cannot reproduce, though. 11:07:57 i see a lot of huge beds, curiously. 11:08:12 do you want me to go and find it again. are you that desperate to find the furry porn 11:08:23 come to think of it, maybe not. 11:08:35 is it the socks 11:08:54 also, those beds are _not_ huge. 11:09:16 i was assuming there was some obvious absurdity to be found 11:11:24 step 2 in carefully regulating my amount of annoyance and confusion is compiling ghc from source just to get the documentation to build better 11:12:30 results so far: headache 11:13:25 sounds familiar, in general 11:15:54 turns out asus's touchpads don't have very good drivers. and that playing tatham's puzzles with them therefore sucks. 11:17:03 do you want me to buy you a mouse 11:17:38 -!- mnoqy has joined. 11:18:03 i have a mouse. it's hard to use it when having the notebook on my lap, which i must since i don't have a proper computer table 11:18:23 do you want me to buy you a computer table 11:18:23 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 11:18:37 all i'm saying is i never had trouble with playing them on my old laptop ;_; 11:19:00 (my memory is probably just defective.) 11:19:28 mnoqy: how funny would it be on a scale of 0 to 10 if i actually bought oerjan a computer table 11:20:14 the thing is i don't _really_ want a computer table. 11:20:26 wow, picky. 11:20:28 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 11:20:30 gah 11:20:37 it's ok i have another idea 11:20:41 is that like a table you put your computer on or a table that is a computer 11:21:04 what if i buy you a little mousing area that plugs in via usb and gets heated up 11:21:15 if this is not invented then i'm not sure i want to live in the world 11:21:24 i want to live in a small wooden hut with earthen floor and fast broadband, or something. 11:21:26 * oerjan is complicated 11:21:40 how does 2/3 sound 11:23:52 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 11:28:55 it's a very nice rational hth 11:32:10 also turns out asus's touchpad driver sometimes crashes. oh it worked again. 11:32:48 (false alarm. what it actually sometimes does is fail to load at reboot.) 11:33:16 er, *reawakening 11:35:01 oerjan: i bet it would work perfectly on.... linux 11:42:04 -!- sacje has quit (Quit: sacje). 11:54:16 is mosh failing me <-- i'd say so 12:03:48 `quote 01 12:03:56 1) I used computational linguistics to kill her. 12:18:24 -!- AnotherTest has left. 12:18:26 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 12:22:53 -!- augur has joined. 12:27:40 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 12:35:33 \o/ \o/ \m/ \m/ _o/\o_ ಠ_ಠ ¯\(°_o)/¯ 12:35:33 | | `\o/´ | | ¯|¯⌠ | | 12:35:33 >\ /< | /'\ >\ >\|/| o/`¯º 12:35:33 (_|¯'¯|_) 12:36:04 oops 12:36:27 \m/ \m/ 12:36:34 wat 12:36:45 \m/ \m/ 12:36:46 `\o/´ 12:36:46 | 12:36:46 /'\ 12:36:46 (_| |_) 12:37:27 @tell myndzi your \m/ \m/ figure is misaligned hth 12:37:28 Consider it noted. 12:37:28 `\o/´ 12:37:28 | 12:37:28 (_|¯´\ 12:37:28 |_) 12:37:51 who/what is myndzi 12:38:06 myndzi is a regular with a script 12:38:20 oh right. 12:44:04 @ask reader's digets used to call that city Frisco 12:44:04 Consider it noted. 12:44:10 wtf 12:44:29 -!- hiato has joined. 12:44:42 the _first_ time i decided to rely on IE 10's cut an paste no longer including end-of-line :( 12:44:54 oh wait never mind 12:44:59 or hm 12:45:16 @ask Does this work? 12:45:16 Consider it noted. 12:45:39 hi 12:46:28 @ask Koen_ reader's digets used to call that city Frisco <-- are you sure they didn't mean the _actual_ city named Frisco hth 12:46:28 Consider it noted. 12:49:14 @tell Koen_ " In 1904, the residents chose Frisco City in honor of the St. Louis-San Francisco Railway on which the town was founded, later shortened to its present name." 12:49:15 Consider it noted. 12:50:37 -!- oerjan has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 12:50:49 -!- oerjan has joined. 12:51:14 -!- oerjan has quit (Client Quit). 13:00:20 c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c 13:00:21 c.c.cc.c.cc.c.cc.c.cc.c.cc.c.cc.c.c 13:00:21 c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c c.c 13:00:28 beautiful 13:00:40 \o/c.c 13:00:40 c.c.c 13:00:41 c.c 13:00:44 \o/ c.c 13:00:44 | c.c.c 13:00:44 /| c.c 13:00:51 \o/ c.c \o/ 13:00:51 | c.c.c | 13:00:52 >\ c.c /| 13:00:55 god. 13:08:29 @tell oerjan I'll check some day thanks for blowing my mind 13:08:29 Consider it noted. 13:10:38 -!- guestbot has joined. 13:17:17 -!- oerjan has joined. 13:18:25 @list messages 13:18:25 tell provides: tell ask messages messages-loud messages? clear-messages 13:18:31 @messages-l 13:18:34 Koen_ said 10m 2s ago: I'll check some day thanks for blowing my mind 13:19:36 Koen_: naming your city after something named after another city is rather mind-blowing yeah 13:20:45 ^celebrate 13:20:53 fizzie!! 13:21:35 * oerjan swats FireFly -----### 13:23:00 btw does anyone know whether setting the putty keepalive option will help, hurt, or do nothing about short-time-but-not-short-enough network disconnections? 13:23:33 AAAAAAASSS 13:23:41 Whoops. 13:23:48 wat. 13:23:48 ass, fizzie.. 13:23:51 s/\.\././ 13:23:56 fizzie: fungot failuer 13:23:58 That's a good pair of letters to put in the wrong window 13:23:58 That was supposed to be AAAAAAAAAAAAAA. 13:24:18 These touchscreen keyboards. 13:24:49 buttbuttin 13:26:21 hi oerjan 13:26:29 -!- fungot has joined. 13:26:58 hi FireFly you are being swatted for complicating my tab completion of fizzie hth 13:27:55 You could always configure your client to complete nicks in descending alphabetic order 13:29:09 i don't see that option in /set hth 13:30:02 Has the average 'hth' count in your lines exceeded 100% yet? 13:30:10 nope. 13:30:22 You're not helpful. :( 13:30:31 i wonder what completion_auto does 13:30:38 We could encode our messages in permutations of sequences of hth. hth 13:31:30 ion: sounds like a dangerous policy that might lead to brainfuck derivatives hth 13:32:58 fizzie: wait do you mean hth/line fraction if so maybe hth i thought you meant hth/word hth 13:33:01 oops 13:33:09 * oerjan swats fizzie -----### 13:33:25 *FireFly: 13:33:59 Yes, hth/line 13:34:28 apparently irssi suddenly decided to put fizzie first, despite FireFly speaking last 13:34:43 * oerjan swats irssi -----### 13:34:58 Maybe it orders nicks in opposite priority of which you'd want to mention them 13:35:02 you know.. for your discomfort 13:35:12 FireFly: i'm not sure 13:35:42 i think it rather has the strange idea of prioritizing actual completions used over people speaking 13:36:25 oerjan: just talk to me. i have an unambiguous two-letter prefix. 13:37:07 so you do 13:37:16 that has not always been the case 13:38:02 `pastelogs http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4295 13:39:05 well that went well 13:39:17 `pastelogs http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.15125 13:40:11 i suppose elly is who i was thinking of 13:41:32 we refer to those as the dark times. 13:41:42 yes. 13:44:28 now the golden times, those come in the future, when you op me. 13:44:38 ^celebrate 13:44:38 \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/ 13:44:39 | | | `\o/´ | | | `\o/´ | | | 13:44:39 /< >\ /| | /^\ /| /| | /| /< /'\ 13:44:40 /'\ /'¯|_) 13:44:40 (_| |_) (_| 13:45:04 hm those \m/ \m/s look a bit weird 13:45:04 `\o/´ 13:45:04 | 13:45:04 /´\ 13:45:04 (_| |_) 13:45:09 -!- `^_^v has joined. 13:45:12 specifically, i have calculated it to be three minutes in the future 13:45:13 mnoqy: i already told him 13:45:20 [STARES AT WATCH] 13:45:33 elliott: a bit off, i think 13:45:53 "elliop" 13:46:44 oerjan: it could also be fizzie that ops me. 13:46:47 my predictions are unclear. 13:46:52 -!- nobody__ has joined. 13:46:56 -!- nobody__ has left. 13:47:12 ic 13:49:36 i think by useful you mean horrible <-- there is actually no contradiction between those hth 13:50:14 o.o 13:50:18 o.o 13:50:32 oh wait 13:50:34 c.c 13:50:34 c.c.c 13:50:34 c.c 13:50:39 WAT 13:50:43 c.c 13:50:43 c.c.c 13:50:44 c.c 13:51:01 WATER. 13:51:21 @tell myndzi " o.o " (only one space in front) looks weird hth 13:51:21 Consider it noted. 13:51:40 @tell myndzi s/o/c/g 13:51:40 Consider it noted. 13:51:46 cnly cne space 13:52:03 oerjan: You are so demanding. 13:52:25 o.o 13:52:26 c.c c.c 13:52:26 c.c.c c.c.c 13:52:26 c.c c.c 13:52:30 um 13:53:00 c.c how abut two spac? 13:53:01 c.c.c 13:53:01 c.c 13:53:10 That's akey. 13:53:19 \o| 13:53:19 | 13:53:19 /´\ 13:54:14 \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ 13:54:15 | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠ 13:54:15 /< c.c /'\ >\| 13:54:19 oops 13:54:40 \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ 13:54:40 | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠ 13:54:40 /< c.c /| /< | 13:55:34 \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ c.c \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ 13:55:35 | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠`\o/´ `\o/´ ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | 13:55:35 >\ c.c |\ /< | | | /| |/| c.c /< 13:55:36 (_|¯'¯|_) /´\ 13:55:36 (_| |_) 13:56:13 \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ _o_ _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ 13:56:13 o.o 13:56:13 | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠`\o/´ | | | `\o/´ ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | 13:56:14 >\ c.c >\ |\| | >\ /< /| | |\|/< c.c /^\ 13:56:14 (_|¯´\ /`\ 13:56:15 |_) (_| |_) 13:56:16 o.o 13:56:18 o.o 13:56:22 oh 13:56:24 that was oerjan. 13:56:26 not my line. 13:56:28 earlier. 13:56:33 ok it makes more sense now 13:56:43 \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ 13:56:44 | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠`\o/´ | c.c.c | `\o/´ ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | 13:56:44 |\ c.c /´\ |\| | |\ c.c |\ | /< | |\ c.c /| 13:56:45 /´¯|_) /´\ 13:56:45 (_| (_| |_) 13:57:19 ^def celebrate ul (\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/)S 13:57:19 Defined. 13:57:27 ^celebrate 13:57:27 \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/ 13:57:28 | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠`\o/´ | c.c.c | `\o/´ ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c | 13:57:28 /| c.c |\ /< | | /| c.c >\ | /´\| >\ c.c /| 13:57:28 (_|¯`¯|_) /´\ 13:57:29 (_| |_) 13:59:10 a new and modern festival 14:00:24 how is ghc STILL fuckin compiling 14:01:00 elliott: quite well, i assume 14:01:27 also it's because you don't have an actual supercomputer hth 14:01:50 buy me a new computer!! 14:02:24 (iirc there was some bug report that required one of the simons to buy an EC2 instance to fix it) 14:02:43 or something amazon 14:02:48 @quote expensive 14:02:48 bos says: other companies use expensive firewalls and crypto hardware to protect their intellectual secrets. edwardk uses category theory! 14:02:50 @quote expensive 14:02:50 bos says: other companies use expensive firewalls and crypto hardware to protect their intellectual secrets. edwardk uses category theory! 14:02:54 @quote bug.cost 14:02:54 SimonMarlow says: This is the largest program (in terms of memory requirements) I've ever seen anyone run using GHC. In fact there was no machine in our building capable of running it, I had to 14:02:54 fire up the largest Amazon EC2 instance available (68GB) to debug it - this bug cost me $26. 14:06:30 -!- itsy has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 14:10:30 68 is an odd even number. 14:12:10 oerjan: have I mentioned that I'm ordering people to figure out EC2 pricing on my behalf. you're the next candidate 14:12:59 There's (still) a terabyte of RAM at CSC's http://csc.fi/ shell/serial-job/misc servers. 14:13:03 i'll get back to you as soon as i start buying EC2 instances hth 14:13:24 oerjan: no, it's for _me_, you see. 14:13:36 fizzie: csc.fi are so good they don't even have a web page, apparently 14:13:43 are you going to put lambdabot on EC2 14:13:59 oerjan: well linode have had a rather awful security track record recently... 14:14:09 ic 14:14:15 so it would be kind of nice to move esolangs.org/lambdabot/my IRC client to somewhere I vaguely trust 14:14:44 but EC2's pricing scheme is so ridiculously byzantine that I have absolutely no idea if I can make it affordable or not 14:15:20 elliott: Aw, they're not no-www compatible or something. 14:15:57 (Android's browser lied to me and added www. itself.) 14:16:45 elliott: last thing i recall is someone claiming it's only cost effective for extra capacity at times of high load? 14:16:47 fizzie: you are welcome to supply me with an ssh account 14:17:17 Also, Infiniband. Best name for a technology. 14:17:34 oerjan: that's the general kind of thing I've heard too but I've also heard it could be about equally-priced for vaguely comparable specs to what I have for my Linode more recently if I get a reserved instance 14:17:39 it is v. complicated 14:17:47 ok 14:18:11 -!- hiato has quit (Quit: Nothing so gives the illusion of intelligence as personal association with large sums.). 14:22:22 -!- guestbot has quit (Quit: Page closed). 14:22:45 who is that guestbot guy i saw it talk yesterday i think 14:22:58 -!- guestbot has joined. 14:23:06 guestbot: who are you 14:23:12 guestbot: help 14:23:51 it queried hackego once i think 14:23:58 `relcome guestbot 14:24:01 `WELCOME guestbot 14:24:01 ​guestbot: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 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(For the ot-her kind of e-sote-ri-ca, try #e-so-te-ric on 14:24:32 oerjan: i feel all necessary precautions have now been taken. 14:24:39 okay 14:25:10 Currently, guestbot is a test for a browser scripted automated irc client 14:25:34 are you for real 14:25:48 elliott: are you for real? 14:25:58 no 14:26:30 is inch a synonym for thumb? <-- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inch#Etymology 14:27:27 -!- guestbot has left. 14:27:44 oerjan, I was indeed doomed 14:28:40 oh dear 14:32:38 which is why the idea of a kilobel or megabel is so earthshattering <-- that's _literally_ earthshattering, of course. 14:32:51 (and no, i'm not misusing literal) 14:33:05 I literally never misuse “literally”. 14:33:26 ok maybe slightly, it's not the _idea_ that is earthshattering. 14:50:01 OH MY GOD IT'S STILL COMPILING 14:50:11 it's been like four hours. 14:51:19 -!- Fiora has joined. 14:54:03 wehat are you compiling 14:54:16 isn't that like normal for ghc 14:55:16 i'm pretty sure it was quicker last time i did this at least 14:55:38 I think I remember someone complaining about how habitually compiling GHC and Android takes a long time.