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00:26:24 <Fiora> elliott: can I join the bored
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00:27:07 <katla> im not bored anymore so you can use my space
00:27:57 <shachaf> Fiora: how are you all bored
00:28:22 <Bike> "Herr Slossenn Boschen accompanied himself. The prelude did not suggest a comic song exactly. It was a weird, soulful air. It quite made one’s flesh creep; but we murmured to one another that it was the German method, and prepared to enjoy it." wow this book is great.
00:28:28 <Bike> A+ would be shachaffed again.
00:29:02 <shachaf> Bike: good old Herr Slossenn Boschen
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00:30:30 <elliott> Fiora: you have been counted
00:30:30 <shachaf> Bike: are you sure the two students aren't the real heroes here
00:30:47 * Fiora went out and did some shopping and then kind of half fell asleep
00:30:47 <elliott> Fiora: you are filling in for katla
00:31:09 <elliott> well, katla was bored earlier.
00:31:14 <shachaf> Fiora: katla was previous bored and is no longer bored.
00:31:23 <shachaf> Therefore we had a boredom-vacuüm
00:31:46 <Fiora> oh. sorry, I just didn't know katla
00:32:55 <Bike> i don't either. we'll have to squeeze into the don't know katla spot.
00:33:01 <Bike> this whole system kinda sucks, honestly
00:34:35 <kmc> what did you shop
00:34:58 <kmc> is "vacuüm" really correct
00:35:09 <kmc> seems like that would imply three syllables
00:35:16 <shachaf> kmc: it's the dutch spelling hth
00:35:18 <shachaf> https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacu%C3%BCm
00:35:20 <Bike> diacritics in english is like the opposite of correct. we'd have spelled it vacyuyuyum
00:35:42 <kmc> shachaf: ok
00:38:56 <lambdabot> *** "weir" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
00:38:56 <lambdabot> n 1: a low dam built across a stream to raise its level or
00:38:56 <lambdabot> 2: a fence or wattle built across a stream to catch or retain
00:40:54 <Fiora> https://gergely.imreh.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/watch500-e1371887874832.jpg wow these things look really doofy
00:42:48 <shachaf> hey Fiora if you're bored you could read the book Bike is reading
00:42:58 <Bike> NICE FONT CHOICE LOSER!!
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00:46:34 <katla> three men in a boat?
00:46:55 <Bike> not talking about a dog
00:47:22 <shachaf> why does a book have to be "about" something
00:47:59 <elliott> current data suggests it's about three men in a boat
00:48:07 <shachaf> it's about a trip four individuals took in a boat on the river
00:48:14 <shachaf> from hexham to finland or something
00:48:46 <shachaf> wait there are a lot of kingstons
00:49:00 <mnoqy> really it could be about anything
00:49:03 <Bike> i'm pretty sure it's kingston upon thames.
00:49:27 <ion> i'm pretty sure it's the memory manufacturer
00:49:34 <elliott> ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Road,_Oxford it's actually a land boat on the shortest trip ever.
00:49:56 <Bike> (you're welcome shachaf)
00:50:13 <shachaf> maybe it's a trip from newcastle upon thames
00:50:51 <Bike> avon upon thames
00:51:22 <shachaf> Fiora: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/308
00:52:17 <Bike> it's weird looking up the locations and having them exist.
00:52:20 <Bike> england is weird.
00:52:23 <mnoqy> whoa gutenberg's shure changed over the years
00:52:34 <Bike> i'm not used to things, like. existing. for long periods.
00:52:48 <shachaf> hey this book is only from the 90s
00:53:45 <mnoqy> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/308/308-h/images/p255b.jpg i dunno guys this looks awfully like two men in a boat
00:53:52 <Bike> other points in favor of this book: it's by a double jerome
00:54:17 <elliott> Three Men In A Boat But One Of Them Turns Out To Be Invisible
00:54:34 <mnoqy> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/308/308-h/images/p281b.jpg ah so that's why they were in the boat
00:54:37 <shachaf> mnoqy: that picture is: Two novices in a boat
00:54:49 <shachaf> mnoqy: that picture is: The trout
00:55:01 <mnoqy> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/308/308-h/images/p301b.jpg PRIME THANKS
00:55:05 <shachaf> hey that trout is actually REDACTED
00:55:43 <HackEgo> Thanks, minister.. Thinister..
00:55:59 <mnoqy> http://www.gutenberg.org/files/308/308-h/images/p315b.jpg they found the magic man. the end.
00:56:00 <HackEgo> minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister
00:57:43 <mnoqy> yeah that's why hes magic
00:57:51 <mnoqy> u think im dumb???
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01:09:38 <shachaf> whoa, dude, http://www.1890s.ca/PDFs/hentschel_bio.pdf
01:11:41 <shachaf> Bike: please get a 7-byte nick hth
01:12:04 <kmc> http://www.php2python.com/ god's work
01:12:08 <Bike> how many charsper byte
01:12:45 <elliott> kmc: doesn't have anything for SndToJewish
01:12:54 <Bike> it's JdToJewish
01:13:10 <Bike> which. wow, it does have.
01:13:17 <Bike> no wait false alarm.
01:13:28 <elliott> SndToJewish is a thing too
01:13:59 <ion> The first search result: PHP :: Bug #64895 :: interger overflow in SndToJewish
01:14:05 <ion> Followed by: PHP up to 5.5.0 RC1 User Input Sanitizer SndToJewish buffer overflow
01:14:07 <shachaf> Now, this is a subject on which I flatter myself I really am au fait. The gentleman who, when I was young, bathed me at wisdom's font for nine guineas a term—no extras—used to say he never knew a boy who could do less work in more time; and I remember my poor grandmother once incidentally observing, in the course of an instruction upon the use of the Prayer-book, that it was highly improbable that I should ever do much that I ought not ...
01:14:13 <ion> Followed by: 93968: PHP SndToJewish Function Integer Overflow DoS
01:14:13 <shachaf> ... to do, but that she felt convinced beyond a doubt that I should leave undone pretty well everything that I ought to do.
01:14:27 <Bike> ion: yeah it was a security vunlerability, pretty rad.
01:15:00 <Bike> http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.jdtofrench.php ah yes
01:15:19 <Bike> If you want to convert a date later than September 22nd 1806, you could use this function. It's a bit crude and due to the fact the original function terminates in the middle of 1806, it uses 1805 as it's 'terminus post quem'.
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01:58:14 <Bike> Henry VIII. and Anne Boleyn.—Disadvantages of living in same house with pair of lovers.—A trying time for the English nation.—A night search for the picturesque.—Homeless and houseless.—Harris prepares to die.—An angel comes along.—Effect of sudden joy on Harris.—A little supper.—Lunch.—High price for mustard.—A fearful battle.—Maidenhead.—Sailing.—Three fishers.—We are cursed.
02:00:42 <shachaf> Gracenotes: You should read that book too!
02:01:10 <katla> what is the book about though?
02:01:28 <shachaf> Those are two different questions.
02:01:41 <shachaf> The book is _Three Men in a Boat_, by Jerome K. Jerome.
02:01:43 <shachaf> http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/308
02:01:50 <shachaf> Yours is already answered.
02:02:09 <shachaf> Hmm, come to think about it, so was katla's.
02:02:16 <shachaf> 17:48 <shachaf> it's about a trip four individuals took in a boat on the river
02:05:19 <Gracenotes> mmm. for some reason, I don't think of Thames as being very wide
02:05:38 <Gracenotes> I think it gets narrower as it goes inland
02:08:42 <Gracenotes> also, I visited the marshes at the shoreline in Mountain View today by bike
02:08:54 <elliott> ok I honestly cannot read "bike" as anything but a name now
02:08:57 <Gracenotes> it's extremely window, so it looks like static bodies of water are flowing
02:09:08 <Gracenotes> and they are flowing, but only at the surface
02:10:26 <Bike> elliott: who do you think Gracenotes means? i live right by Mountain View.
02:10:40 <Bike> a place called that. probably the same. i mean how many views of mountains can there be.
02:11:02 <shachaf> Bike: oh you've come to visit Gracenotes?
02:11:06 <Bike> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thunder-T.png see, look at their logo.
02:11:16 <Bike> i bet someone put over nine thousand hours of MS Paint work into that.
02:11:27 <Gracenotes> I'm not sure if the mountains to be viewed are the ones southwest of here or the ones northeast of here (across the bay)
02:11:43 <Bike> they probably only had one mountain in mind.
02:11:49 <Bike> i mean otherwise it would be Mountains View.
02:11:55 <shachaf> california has some p. good mountains
02:12:05 <Gracenotes> I think it just means that there exists a mountain
02:12:44 <Gracenotes> or it's a good place for mountain-viewing, but choice of mountain is left as discretion for the viewer
02:13:54 <Gracenotes> okay, I looked it up on the internet, and it is in fact the south/southwest mountains that are being referred to
02:14:04 <Bike> So what are the other mountains for?
02:14:17 <kmc> long island is p. long
02:14:32 <shachaf> kmc: california is p. long
02:14:40 <shachaf> "hence the comparison hth"
02:17:36 <Gracenotes> oh my, lows of 40 F (4 C) in the winter and 60 F (15 C) in the summer
02:19:57 <Bike> Cs for security for shachaf
02:25:14 <shachaf> Gracenotes: when it was winter here i didn't survive btw
02:29:03 <shachaf> too late "u'r already dead"
02:31:45 <Bike> it's nice to know the thames has always been polluted and gross
02:33:14 <Bike> always and forever
02:34:19 <Bike> «As early as the 1300s, the Thames was used as a means of disposing waste produced from the city of London, effectively turning the river into an open sewer. In 1357, Edward III described the state of the river in a proclamation: "...dung and other filth had accumulated in divers places upon the banks of the river with... fumes and other abominable stenches arising therefrom."»
02:35:46 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stink
02:36:05 <Bike> kmc: fantastic
02:36:08 <Gracenotes> if I already plan on putting brussel sprouts in my frittata, will mushroms be a good addition or not?
02:36:32 <kmc> seems every great city either has a sizeable river or is located on the ocean
02:36:56 <kmc> what's the best city with neither
02:37:16 <Bike> hm, tall order. overland transport is kind of hard.
02:37:38 <kmc> ocean or other large body of water, I should say
02:37:39 <Bike> maybe ulaanbataar, not that it's very big.
02:38:00 <Bike> oh damn, that's on a river too.
02:38:04 <kmc> there must be some huge landlocked cities in china by now
02:38:10 <kmc> but maybe not historically 'great' cities
02:38:31 <Bike> maybe one of the newer ones.
02:38:42 <Bike> in outer mongolia maybe?
02:38:50 <kmc> wow the seine is quite bendy
02:38:58 <kmc> i wonder if it was more or less bendy in the past
02:39:47 <kmc> the river in sarajevo is only a few inches deep
02:39:51 <kmc> but might have been deeper in the past
02:39:53 <Bike> hrm, the biggest city in inner mongolia is on the yellow river :x
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02:40:50 <Bike> so's the capital.
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02:41:53 <Bike> hm i think urumqi might be dry.
02:42:15 <Bike> aha! samarkand.
02:42:42 <Bike> "Oxus was the ancient Greek name of the Amu Daria River and Transoxiana (beyond the Oxus) was the region between this river and the Yaxarte (Syr Daria River). The city of Samarkand is located in a fertile valley midway between these two rivers. " god dammit.
02:43:59 <kmc> even phoenix has a river
02:44:16 <Bike> fuck you, phoenix.
02:45:53 <Gracenotes> your fucks are better allocated for the rest of arizona
02:49:27 <kmc> vegas is basically a shithole yes?
02:49:37 <kmc> i haven't been there but from what i hear
02:49:40 <Bike> but no river and that's what's important
02:49:40 <shachaf> Bike: "ve" means "and" in hebrew so i used to think that phrase meant "las and gas"
02:49:50 <shachaf> Bike: also i didn't actually know it was a place
02:50:01 <shachaf> i thought it was a microsoft word decoration style thing
02:50:03 <Bike> shachaf: it's hard to get that it exists from ads for it, yeah.
02:50:12 <Bike> rather than some kind of mystic territory
02:50:19 <kmc> there's a big themepark for drunk lecherous idiots which exists outside the city itself
02:50:31 <kmc> i should go sometime though
02:50:48 <kmc> feel like I can't fully understand American culture if I've never been to Vegas
02:51:42 <kmc> the city itself is urban decay + recently imported startup hipsters
02:51:49 <shachaf> http://www.bettersolutions.com/word/WVZ299/LL738921911.png
02:52:24 <Gracenotes> even detroit downtown is fun to visit, I think
02:52:34 <kmc> what do you do there
02:52:40 <Gracenotes> in the same sense that las vegas puts a lot of economic effort into its downtown
02:52:47 <Bike> wow, nevada has less than two dozen incorporated cities
02:53:04 <Gracenotes> kmc: is there that whole casino thing?
02:53:06 <kmc> i've been to reno
02:53:19 <Bike> kmc: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Nevada
02:53:34 <kmc> Gracenotes: the fancy casinos are outside city limits
02:53:52 <kmc> it really is like a theme park
02:54:19 <Bike> huh i don't remember wherever i was being like that
02:54:24 <Bike> hugeass hotels right in the middle of town
02:54:39 <kmc> there are casinos and hotels in downtown vegas too but they have a seedy reputation
02:55:06 <kmc> at least that's my impression; I haven't been there
02:55:39 <Bike> meanwhile oregon has 242
02:55:46 <kmc> the CEO of Zappos is spending a bajillion dollars to turn downtown vegas into a startup hipster mecca
02:55:50 <Bike> maybe i've been overestimating how many cities are in places
02:55:56 <kmc> and pissing off a lot of people in the process
02:56:03 <Bike> kmc: aren't hipsters supposed to be environmentally conscious or some crap
02:56:14 <kmc> e.g. buying a whole building of low income housing and evicting everyone to make room for more hipsters
02:56:39 <Bike> hm, standards for "cities" sure do vary a lot between states
02:56:49 <kmc> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s10/sh/cb5049c0-54e7-477a-92a8-2f49e1fffbf2/96832700c99f170c665364a3414cf92a this is what I read on the subject recently
02:56:53 <Bike> "Kahlotus is a city in Franklin County, Washington, United States. The population was 193 at the 2010 census" e.g.
02:57:54 <Gracenotes> I think it's the same way that well-to-do silicon valley types can be very non-intentionally sexist and racist
02:57:54 <kmc> i've seen infinity versions of "why Bay Area startup culture is awful and is destroying SF" so it was interesting to read one about a different city
02:58:19 <kmc> interesting that so much has been written on these topics in the past few months
02:58:47 <kmc> I agree with most of the criticisms but I'm not sure where this bandwagon is going exactly, or who's pushing it
02:59:00 <Bike> http://25.media.tumblr.com/df8bcb1d55071af4c977aa82d3bccfcb/tumblr_mor89gqYUE1qcw9rdo1_400.jpg racism
02:59:14 <kmc> but in another week I will be one of those overpaid Mission software jerks so I'd better figure out my cultural context
03:00:13 <Gracenotes> before you know it, you'll be bragging about your distance in meters from Mark Zuckerberg and waiting in line for 2 hours to purchase artisan frozen yogurt.
03:00:19 <Bike> is self-hatred a context
03:00:19 <shachaf> oh no kmc is turning into a jerk :'(
03:00:26 <kmc> please, waiting in line? i'll hire a taskrabbit to do that for me
03:00:35 <kmc> Bike: the best context
03:00:53 <shachaf> Gracenotes: You really don't like people who wait in lines, huh?
03:00:53 <Gracenotes> but if you do it yourself, it makes the instagram so much more rewarding
03:01:07 <kmc> i did have some really good ice cream last time I was in SF
03:01:08 <Gracenotes> shachaf: not for pedestrian things, as such...
03:01:10 <kmc> only had to wait about 4 minutes
03:01:26 <kmc> salted ginger sundae from Bi-Rite
03:01:29 <kmc> yeah, different
03:01:39 <shachaf> Gracenotes: When kmc was in Mountain View we went to Yoogl.
03:01:42 <kmc> the froyo from "Yoogl" was ok but not fantastic
03:01:56 <Gracenotes> I see it as emblematic of something, although I'm trying to figure out what
03:02:08 <Bike> emblematic of Yoogl
03:02:15 <kmc> Google runs out of other things to do, acquires Yoogl
03:02:27 <quintopia> i want some salted caramel ice cream
03:02:38 <shachaf> quintopia: There's a good place in Palo Alto for it!
03:02:47 <kmc> also Gracenotes i'm pretty sure you should put mushrooms in your frittata
03:02:53 <quintopia> palo alto is not on the appalachian trail
03:02:59 <Gracenotes> I mean, Google NYC has gotten the Big Gay Ice Cream Truck to give out ice cream for free in the past (in one of its cafes)
03:03:09 <Bike> is the big gay ice cream truck a thing
03:03:14 <Bike> are there like models on it
03:03:16 <quintopia> you should move the town over here
03:03:26 <kmc> an ice cream truck that has sex with other ice cream trucks
03:03:35 <Bike> i need details re: gay trucks
03:03:45 <Gracenotes> it is the ice cream itself that is gay, not the truck
03:05:42 <shachaf> kmc: is that like s/ice cream truck/human/g
03:05:48 <shachaf> or is ice cream truck not a species of truck
03:06:07 <kmc> i don't know
03:06:30 <kmc> maybe 'ice cream truck' is a gender of truck
03:06:43 <Bike> gay ice cream sounds good too
03:06:45 <shachaf> how many genders of truck are there
03:06:49 <kmc> maybe a lot?
03:06:51 <Gracenotes> plus, it's an identity, not an indication of sexual truck activity
03:06:53 <kmc> there are a lot of sexes of mushroom
03:07:10 <kmc> or of mushrooms pore anyway
03:07:13 <kmc> mushroom spore*
03:08:25 <kmc> Gracenotes: you should grow your own mushrooms for food
03:08:41 <kmc> and you can grow them on recycled newspapers, cardboard, &c
03:08:47 <shachaf> apparently rick's ice cream is under new management and ruined now???????
03:08:54 <shachaf> perhaps i will investigate :'(
03:08:55 <Gracenotes> I don't trust any mushroom I can see grow
03:09:04 <kmc> its in palo alto?
03:09:15 <shachaf> yes, http://www.yelp.com/biz/ricks-ice-cream-palo-alto
03:09:42 <kmc> oyster mushrooms are very easy to grow yourself and very hard to confuse with any kind of poisonous kind of mushroom
03:09:55 <Gracenotes> hm, I don't usually cook with oyster mushrooms
03:10:12 <kmc> you can even get one from the grocery store and clone its tissue to make more mushrooms
03:10:14 <Gracenotes> but still, I will defer what is poisonous and not to mycologists
03:10:30 <kmc> they don't really do tissue specialization; a bit of the fruiting body can turn back into mycelium easily
03:10:46 <Bike> "eh, guess i don't really need these penises atm"
03:11:09 <shachaf> kmc: what if i confuse oyster mushrooms with oysters
03:11:16 <kmc> Gracenotes: for some types the identification is very easy; also if in doubt you can post to http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/3
03:11:19 <kmc> shachaf: dont
03:11:49 <shachaf> wow that's so many reviews
03:12:03 <shachaf> i gotta see what's going on there!!
03:12:33 <zzo38> I have made up a format of plugins of Famicom emulator to implement mappers and input devices, which is: http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9283&p=113813#p113813
03:13:58 <Gracenotes> mushrooms are strange that way. I still think they are plants that wanted to become animals. (not exactly evolutionarily, but, from the perspective of the human palate)
03:14:42 <Gracenotes> which is obviously the end goal of evolution
03:15:45 <shachaf> the end goal of evolution is shachaf
03:15:57 <Fiora> so sushi is the end goal of evolution?
03:16:30 <Fiora> but the end goal of evolution is creating tasty human food
03:17:01 <shachaf> the trouble with sushi is that it's often made of dead fish
03:17:13 <zzo38> Fiora: That can't be correct.
03:17:20 <Bike> pretty sure it can be.
03:17:23 <Bike> i mean have you had sushi.
03:17:48 <shachaf> i had a sushi-like thing with kmc et al. in sf
03:17:49 <zzo38> shachaf: Not always. Sometimes it is made of live fish, and sometimes it doesn't even contain fish.
03:17:58 <shachaf> did that thing count as sushi? not sure
03:19:37 <kmc> it's fast food sushi
03:20:06 <Gracenotes> living might be used a bit speciously there
03:21:20 <Bike> wow, potato peeling technology was in a dismal state in the 1890s
03:21:22 <kmc> fiiiiiiiiiiiiiish
03:21:47 <kmc> shachaf: but I guess yours had no fish, so I don't know
03:21:54 <Bike> "George said it was absurd to have only four potatoes in an Irish stew, so we washed half-a-dozen or so more, and put them in without peeling" jesus christ
03:22:38 <shachaf> Bike: did you read _Pippi Longstocking_ hth
03:23:03 <zzo38> The skin is poison.
03:23:15 <Gracenotes> also, I think I did a bit too much burning in my brussel sprout frittata tonight
03:23:16 <kmc> not really
03:23:19 <kmc> only if it's turned green
03:23:33 <Gracenotes> shachaf: you may or may not be helping hth
03:23:34 <zzo38> kmc: Yes, the skin is poison if it is green.
03:23:47 <Bike> potatoes are some lovecraftian shit really
03:23:54 <Bike> good thing they're delicious
03:24:00 <kmc> the green thing is not perfectly correlated with poisonousness either
03:24:12 <zzo38> It is actually only a small poison though, and it isn't the green part that is poison.
03:25:03 <Bike> gosh, people were making jokes about bagpipes over a hundred years ago
03:28:54 <kmc> bagpipes, am i right
03:30:16 <Gracenotes> most things have an immunity from being ridiculed for a period of time
03:30:33 <zzo38> A Famicom emulator using this input plugin format need to somehow convert the user's input into MIDI; how it does this is specific to the emulator being in use.
03:32:09 <zzo38> Yes, they are similar to Famicom/NES.
03:33:23 <Bike> oh man, the description of rowing. 100% accurate
03:35:36 <zzo38> I intend to write some Z-machine interpreter for Famicom! Possibly Z-machine version 1 to 3, at first. The only existing iNES mapper I know that will do it is MMC5 although I have designed a simpler mapper with two 74xx series ICs, but this simpler one isn't emulated. However, the thing I don't know is how to make division/modulo of 16-bits in 6502 code.
03:36:26 <Gracenotes> district attorneys, am I right? https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/18/nyregion/after-sexual-abuse-case-a-hasidic-accuser-is-shunned-then-indicted.html?_r=2&
03:37:06 <Bike> Gracenotes: none
03:39:02 <Bike> Gracenotes: nasty.
03:39:39 <Gracenotes> if someone offers you money to keep something secret, you're actually extorting them
03:40:22 <Bike> people in remotely popular cases always do that shit.
03:40:31 <Bike> the zimmerman attorneys are playing similarly, apparently
03:42:07 <Gracenotes> a lot of non-hasidic-jew people I've talked to, even jews themselves, have had nothing but negative experiences with hasidic jews in NYC :/
03:42:30 <Gracenotes> anyway... not worth harping on, though...
03:42:56 <Bike> all i know is that hasidists are like theologically conservative and wear hats?
03:43:00 <kmc> yeah it is a weird, insular community that is quite hostile to the outside world
03:43:16 <kmc> even though they live in the middle of a fucking world city
03:44:28 <kmc> http://nymag.com/realestate/neighborhoods/2010/65356/
03:44:44 <Gracenotes> hm, I am going to be feeling this sunburn tomorrow
03:45:09 <shachaf> i remember when i removed my hair and then walked in the sun for a few hours
03:45:24 <kmc> 'Over at Search Engine Roundtable they have a lovely write-up about Chabad at Stanford’s “Google Glass Tefillin Stand.” Apparently students were given a chance to try on Google Glass and use it to put on Tefillin - complete with the blessings and Shema prayer.
03:45:36 <Gracenotes> should really get sunscreen, especially if I'm going to be going to places with almost no cloud cover, no trees, very windy, and close to shiny water
03:46:03 <Bike> scantily clad female riders
03:46:05 <Gracenotes> I've never seen it transliterated as shema
03:48:39 <kmc> Bike: did you know it's legal for women to be topless in public in NYC
03:49:00 <Gracenotes> kmc: although I think SF wins that one
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03:49:30 <Bike> kmc: yeah but only because of a webcomic i read, so that hardly counts
03:50:06 <kmc> Gracenotes: i have also heard it is legal for women to be topless in public in SF
03:50:16 <kmc> however full nudity (for men or women) is now illegal
03:50:21 <kmc> outside of certain special events
03:50:37 <Gracenotes> ah... yes, that's been in the works for a while
03:51:11 <Gracenotes> it's probably a result of nudists not caring much about towel etiquette
03:51:54 <Gracenotes> and also people who make generalizations
03:52:03 <Bike> they're the worst, generalizers
04:08:22 <kmc> still bored :/
04:08:43 <kmc> you're not my real father!
04:09:17 <shachaf> kmc: have you learned rust yet
04:09:26 <kmc> is there a well known thing in math like a "partial permutation", i.e. f :: X -> Maybe X such that if x ≠ y then f x ≠ f y unless they're both Nothing?
04:09:38 <kmc> shachaf: no, that's a thing I could do I suppose
04:11:25 <shachaf> @google partial permutation
04:11:25 <lambdabot> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_permutation
04:11:26 <lambdabot> Title: Partial permutation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
04:11:31 <kmc> i'm playing with this idea of computation through character reëncoding and I think a reëncode operation is like one of these
04:12:19 <kmc> probably some reëncodings aren't injective either but I'm setting that aside for now
04:14:03 <Bike> that looks like the same, i think.
04:14:14 <Bike> with "the special hole symbol" instead of nothing.
04:14:38 <kmc> U+1F3C9 'SPECIAL HOLE SYMBOL'
04:15:13 <kmc> → used to mark special holes on maps
04:17:23 <mnoqy> special holes, eh?
04:22:21 <Bike> well, that book was amusing.
04:26:50 <kmc> http://sfist.com/attachments/SFist_AndrewD/frankchu_pinklady_davitydave.jpg san francisco
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05:31:26 <kmc> much is made of the way the Internet provides global access to knowledge, but I should think that access to beauty is at least as significant
05:31:48 <kmc> I think it's really cool how most of the music ever written is now available anywhere for free
05:32:07 <Bike> i must say i quite enjoy that.
05:33:15 <shachaf> on the other hand most of it has drums in it
05:33:23 <shachaf> so can you truly call it beauty?
05:33:40 <kmc> shachaf: I listened to Set Fire to Flames today, some of that didn't have drums
05:33:47 <Fiora> most paintings also have oil in them hth
05:33:55 <Fiora> (am I doing a good shachaf impression)
05:33:55 <Bike> shachaf is condemned to eternal post-rock.
05:34:00 <kmc> it's a GY!BE side project of sorts
05:34:12 <Bike> oh i didn't know that
05:34:25 <Bike> i just, kind of assume all post-rock is made by individuals, with goatees or something probably
05:34:30 <Bike> and they live in canada
05:34:35 <kmc> you're right about that part
05:34:41 <shachaf> Fiora: "hth" isn't a shachaf impression...
05:34:48 <shachaf> Fiora: It's an oerjan impression. hth
05:34:49 <Fiora> oh... I don't know who does that then >_<
05:35:05 <Bike> i think hth is just an #esoteric thing.
05:35:14 <kmc> i've seen it crop up elsewhere
05:35:39 <kmc> hth and abbreviations 'p.' and 'v.' were both popular on SomethingAwful shitposting subforums years ago
05:35:54 <kmc> Laissez's Faire and YOSPOS
05:35:54 <Bike> yeah i picked up "p." from a goon
05:36:12 <Bike> i've heard so many horror stories about laissez's faire
05:36:27 <shachaf> kmc: what about cobol "is that the place to be"
05:36:40 <Bike> last time i looked at cobol it seemed pretty dull.
05:37:17 <kmc> there's a lot of overlap in terms of personnel between GY!BE and {A,The,Thee} Silver Mount Zion {,Reveries,Memorial Orchestra,Memorial Orchestra & Tra-La-La Band,Memorial Orchestra and Tra-La-La Band with Choir}
05:37:28 <shachaf> Fiora: Also I'm not sure what point you were making?
05:38:01 <kmc> also some of the same people decided to play Yiddish folk music under the name Black Ox Orkestar
05:38:13 <Bike> help i'm drowning in stereotypes.
05:39:06 <kmc> Gracenotes: or lack thereof?
05:39:11 <Gracenotes> if you can't say something acerbic and witty, say something sincere. is the usual strategy.
05:39:57 <kmc> btw the newest GY!BE album is really good
05:40:06 <shachaf> if you can't say something acerbic and witty, don't say anything at all
05:40:36 <Bike> what's the new album called
05:40:45 <Bike> (is it expressible in unicode)
05:42:01 <Gracenotes> not everything is expressible, after all. The Artist Formerly Known as Prince still doesn't have a character
05:44:21 <kmc> it's called 'Allelujah! Don't Bend! Ascend!
05:44:30 <kmc> including that leading quote
05:44:38 <kmc> so it's ascii, v. boring
05:44:44 <Bike> http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/yi.FrRlICOSy2dxEhRG_oQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/finance/2013-06-17/d08066ad-f8b7-4fb6-b276-b50b7cb4df55_PSYCH.jpg
05:44:50 <kmc> not like F♯ A♯ ∞
05:46:52 <Gracenotes> or that programming language, coctothorpe
05:47:31 <Gracenotes> I've only listened to a little bit of GY!BE in the past
05:49:37 <kmc> "...it also appears on bandmember Aidan Girt's related project 1-Speed Bike's debut album Droopy Butt Begone! (2000)"
05:50:29 <Bike> of course they use fixies.
05:50:48 <kmc> i must object pedantically that not all 1-speed bikes are fixies
05:52:28 <kmc> also TIL some bikes use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hub_gear instead of a deraileur
05:52:32 <kmc> cool looking
05:53:21 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Speed1c.png
05:53:39 <Bike> ooh, epicyclic gears
05:54:53 <kmc> also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaft-driven_bicycle
05:55:24 <Bike> i'm so behind on the world of my people.
05:55:45 <kmc> hm that would be nice because it wouldn't try to eat my pants
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05:56:23 <kmc> do i want to buy a €2000 shaft driven dutch electric folding bicycle
05:57:01 <kmc> pretty sure i do
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07:49:34 <AnotherTest> Ugh, why does middle mouseclick close my tabs
07:49:49 <fizzie> Hello from a TRAIN trains are the best oh no I was even slowest
07:50:07 <shachaf> fizzie: #cslounge-trains is the channel for that
07:50:44 <fizzie> The Wi-Fi in this train is the worst though #zerothworldproblems
07:52:24 <Taneb> I bet the wifi is better than the wifi on the Hexham to Newcastle train
07:52:41 <fizzie> This used to be like six hours but nowadays it's four and a half.
07:53:23 <fizzie> Fun fact: "Joensuu" can be translated "Joe's mouth".
07:53:32 <shachaf> Taneb: here in america they haven't invented trains yet but there are buses
07:53:59 <fizzie> (Though really it's "river's mouth".)
07:54:15 <Bike> man. pedestrian trains. that's some sci-fi shit.
07:55:15 <shachaf> Bike: hey you could take the train here so san francisco
07:56:14 <fizzie> Sadly, the river is called "Pielisjoki".
07:57:00 <shachaf> Hmm, I missed my N000th birthday. :-(
07:57:10 <fizzie> (Pielinen is the related lake.)
07:57:13 <Bike> i took the train past salem once but that's about it.
07:57:23 <Taneb> Does Pielinen mean Pasty
07:58:01 <fizzie> Taneb: Not as far as I know.
07:58:07 <Bike> AnotherTest: 10
07:59:17 <Taneb> Because it sounds like "Pie lining"
07:59:29 <fizzie> Do people use flexible number systems where you can use digits larger than the base?
07:59:30 <HackEgo> 417) <NihilistDandy> Non sequitur is my forte <NihilistDandy> On-topic discussion is my piano <Taneb> Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte <Taneb> Full fat milk is my pianissimo <Taneb> On which note, I'm hungry
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08:00:01 <AnotherTest> fizzie: that would just mean making the base larger
08:01:45 <fizzie> AnotherTest: No, it wouldn't.
08:01:53 <shachaf> Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs?
08:02:28 <fizzie> AnotherTest: E.g. A0 in flexible base-ten would be 10*10.
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08:03:10 <shachaf> fizzie: That sounds awful. :-(
08:03:10 <fizzie> You'd have multiple encodings of same number, of cvoursr.
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08:05:41 <fizzie> Also, the Finnish lake wiki does not know the etymology of the name "Pielinen".
08:06:20 <fizzie> AnotherTest: 10*10^3 + 11.
08:08:20 <fizzie> Just sum_i x_i * 10^i but with (some) x_i >= 10.
08:10:25 <zzo38> Flexible base-ten? Is that something like what dc does?
08:11:08 <fizzie> I don't recall what dc does, but maybe it isd.
08:11:44 <zzo38> Regardless of what the input base is in dc, you can always use 0 to 9 and A to F as digits, and it will do like that.
08:14:53 <fizzie> `run echo AA B0 110 f | dc
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12:15:34 <elliott> kmc: should i learn to ride a bicycle [in: re: bike talk]
12:16:20 <shachaf> elliott: what........youdon'tknowhowtorideabicycle.......
12:16:25 <shachaf> oops i forgot how to press space
12:17:05 <elliott> i think i knew at one point
12:17:27 <shachaf> elliott: well i forgot to do it for about three words
12:17:34 <shachaf> then i liked the effect so i finished the sentence
12:17:36 <olsner> you should learn unicycling instead
12:18:10 <shachaf> elliott: Yes, you should learn to ride a bicycle.
12:18:20 <shachaf> But first you should learn how to ride a bicycle, if you don't know.
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18:21:50 <katla> copumpkin its kinda boring
18:35:45 <FreeFull> I can't figure out how to make a not gate in this cellular automaton
18:37:39 <kmc> elliott: yes, you should
18:38:05 <elliott> kmc: before or after the LSD
18:38:07 <mnoqy> elliott: you don't know how to bike??
18:38:12 <elliott> gotta order my kmc advices
18:38:18 <elliott> mnoqy: well i actually don't know if i do or not...
18:38:27 <elliott> like i'm pretty sure i "sort of" could at one point?
18:39:37 <Bike> a glider gun that turns off when struck?
18:40:29 <Gracenotes> {AND, OR} isn't functionally complete, yeah
18:42:41 <kmc> shachaf: should I pester sites that submit login credentials over HTTPS but serve the login form over plain HTTP?
18:42:49 <kmc> or is this one of those things where everyone does it and you'll never get them to change
18:44:21 <kmc> FreeFull: what
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19:10:02 <katla> i dont know this CA
19:11:35 <nooodl> i'm messing around with it right now
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19:11:52 <Bike> it's not a very catchy name
19:12:20 <Bike> oh shit, von neumann's, huh
19:13:52 <nooodl> FreeFull: how would a not gate even work
19:14:30 <nooodl> output a bunch of green arrows all the time unless it receives a blue arrow? (pro technical terms)
19:14:37 <nooodl> i mean receives a green arrow
19:14:58 <nooodl> i mean "excited ordinary transmission state"
19:15:12 <Bike> that would make sense to me
19:15:12 <FreeFull> nooodl: That'd be a true inverter
19:15:18 <FreeFull> Although alternatives are welcome too
19:16:14 <FreeFull> OR is just multiple wires leading into the same spot
19:16:23 <FreeFull> AND is the same, but that spot has a green thing there
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19:18:01 <FreeFull> I have a feeling it's more complicated than it seems
19:18:20 <FreeFull> A switch should be easy enough though
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19:21:29 <FreeFull> So I guess you could make an inverter if you figure out how to grab the leading edge of a continuous current
19:22:04 <FreeFull> It'd have a limit on how often it could be toggled though
19:24:16 <nooodl> i managed to create a continuous stream of green thingies! i guess that's something
19:24:56 <FreeFull> nooodl: It's not that easy if you don't have a convienient reference
19:26:07 <nooodl> ok so there was a very easy way to do what i just did. oops
19:31:07 <FreeFull> I wonder how you'd go about getting the leading edge of a signal
19:31:36 <oklopol> JvN29/Nobili32/Hutton32 is this in the naming scheme of some program?
19:31:52 <Bike> is it not golly's?
19:31:58 * Bike assumes everybody working with CAs uses golly.
19:32:23 <Bike> http://golly.sourceforge.net/Help/Algorithms/JvN.html
19:33:18 <FreeFull> Well, golly doesn't do all CAs
19:33:24 <FreeFull> But yeah, I am using golly right now
19:33:44 <nooodl> hmmmm i found a way to disable the stream
19:33:50 <nooodl> but how to turn it on again...
19:34:32 <oklopol> i haven't done much with golly
19:34:44 <oklopol> enough to know that it's really primitive
19:35:31 <FreeFull> oklopol: I bet you only messed around with one rule
19:35:47 <nooodl> http://i.imgur.com/I7neyO2.png
19:35:54 <oklopol> we implemented the thing i mentioned the other day in golly
19:35:58 <nooodl> am i vaguely on the right track?
19:36:10 <oklopol> we usually use mathematica for experimentation, it's at least slightly more usable
19:36:56 <oklopol> s/experimentation/playing around/
19:37:53 <nooodl> i don't even know how to use the red arrows
19:38:06 <nooodl> sending signals to them makes them... disappear...
19:39:17 <FreeFull> nooodl: Oh, the cyan diamond becomes an and gate if it has more than one input
19:39:30 <oklopol> i mean golly doesn't even compute preimages
19:39:36 <FreeFull> nooodl: What I did was use red arrows
19:39:51 <nooodl> oh i think i see what you mean
19:41:34 <oklopol> "The address wasn't understood"
19:42:58 <oklopol> but 29 states? that sounds way too complicated to work with
19:43:31 <nooodl> nah it makes a lot of sense
19:44:04 <oklopol> are some of the states like tails of moving particles or something like that
19:44:21 <nooodl> basically you have "wires" that you send signals over, encoding which symbol to make at the end of the wire in binary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VonNeumann_CA_demo.gif
19:46:06 <oklopol> i think i've seen a constructor arm draw and undraw something in an example in maybe cellebration, perhaps it was this rule
19:51:50 <Sgeo> How often do normal people do laundry?
19:52:29 <kmc> varies, probably about once a week
19:52:51 <kmc> that's among people i know anyway, which ≠ "normal people"
19:52:52 <Sgeo> I've been doing it once a week, it's kind of frustrating having a weekly chore like that though
19:53:02 <kmc> you can buy more clothes and do laundry less often
19:53:26 <mnoqy> buy more clothes and never do laundry
19:56:47 <Sgeo> If I want to bring dead norns back to life, I should probably work on that rather than reading a book (note: norns are virtual creatures, not real. So there, I'm not tricking anyone)
19:57:55 <kmc> what if it's a book about how to bring dead norns back to life
19:58:45 <Sgeo> A book on reverse engineering would probably help... or ... some way of understanding undocumented binary data files
19:59:22 <Sgeo> My current plans are to try to get a copy of a norn, alive, and then kill it, and compare with some sort of hex editor comparison thing
19:59:29 <Sgeo> I know that program exists, I've used it before
20:00:17 <Bike> what if dead norns are free()d. tragic imo
20:02:52 <Sgeo> Not looking in memory, but to export
20:03:14 <Sgeo> Which saves norns on disk. Don't think it's possible with the normal UI to export a dead norn, but a bit of CAOS should do the trick
20:03:36 <Sgeo> Although it might not, and even if it does, what if a bunch of critical data is deleted...
20:09:02 <Gracenotes> in the particular region of the world I am living in
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20:24:54 <shachaf> kmc: it depends on how much you care hth
20:25:43 <olsner> Sgeo: you do laundry when you need your clothes cleaned, hth
20:25:56 <shachaf> You could probably make some difference sometimes but probably the people you talk to won't care on average.
20:26:06 <kmc> what are you talking about
20:26:12 <kmc> shachaf.......................
20:26:28 <olsner> he seems to be talking about that https thing you mentioned ages ago
20:26:30 <kmc> oh HTTPS login forms?
20:26:44 <Sgeo> What about https login forms?
20:27:04 <kmc> 14:42 <+kmc> shachaf: should I pester sites that submit login credentials over HTTPS but serve the login form over plain HTTP?
20:28:16 <elliott> kmc: that was at 19:42 hth
20:31:18 <Sgeo> EV certificates are fun
20:32:21 <Sgeo> Why not have registrars be the ones to sign certificates?
20:33:16 <Sgeo> Seems to make sense, it's the registrar who you buy foo.com from, the registrar should be the one to prove you bought foo.com
20:33:34 <Sgeo> Don't know how that would work with independently operated subdomains though
20:33:46 <kmc> I guess it is OK for low security sites to say that active attacks are outside the threat model
20:33:55 <kmc> but I think people underestimate how easy active attacks are
20:34:03 <kmc> or really any attack where they haven't seen it done
20:34:56 <kmc> I bet you can find a lot of interesting stuff by sitting in cafés in SF and running an open wifi access point
20:36:58 <olsner> I don't really know how to run an active attack, perhaps it would be useful to learn a bit more about that stuff
20:42:23 <kmc> too fucking hot here (Boston)
20:42:58 <kmc> going to hit 97°F / 36°C tomorrow
20:43:04 <kmc> shachaf: working on it
20:43:11 <kmc> my cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuube arrives tomorrow
20:43:58 <elliott> helliott, b/c i'm from hell
20:44:26 <kmc> moving cube
20:44:33 <shachaf> Someone should warn elliott about the perils of being so rude.
20:44:43 <kmc> they park a big box in my driveway, I fill it with all my stuff, then they pick it up and haul it to SF
20:44:51 <Bike> oh one of those cubes
20:45:10 <olsner> shachaf: what are those perils, exactly?
20:45:48 <elliott> kmc: nobody knows where the cube came from or who owns it. for years we have moved like this. we dare not watch the cube. we tell ourselves stories about how it must get moved but the truth is we don't want to know. cube
20:45:50 <shachaf> olsner: for example people might not enjoy being around you
20:45:58 <shachaf> you might be kicked out of the channel and/or country
20:46:16 <kmc> elliott: seems accurate
20:47:34 <elliott> kmc: the real question is what kind of cube would want to go to san francisco amirite
20:47:39 <Gracenotes> a cube is convenient if you only have weekends available
20:47:51 <Gracenotes> and I haven't made plans to bring it over here yet
20:48:20 <kmc> a fair amount of my stuff is still in NY even though I left NY three years ago
20:48:24 <elliott> also costs your soul. the secret bargain of the cube
20:48:29 <kmc> most notably a queen size bed + mattress
20:48:34 <kmc> which is probably full of bedbugs by now :'(
20:48:48 <elliott> that's what people tell themselves yes
20:48:51 <olsner> oh, Gracenotes is here now
20:48:53 <Gracenotes> bedbugs die after 3-9months without people around
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20:49:04 <kmc> they're being stored in an apt not cold storage
20:49:11 <kmc> i think........ i'm not sure tbh
20:49:13 <elliott> it just has dead beadbugs then
20:49:15 <kmc> friend of a friend of a friend has them
20:49:37 <olsner> maybe they sleep in it to feed the bed bugs
20:50:10 <kmc> anyway it will probably cost less to buy a new bed than to ship one across the country
20:51:28 <olsner> why didn't you simply bring the bed when you moved out of wherever you lived it?
20:51:46 <elliott> beds aren't really cube-y, see
20:51:58 <olsner> oh, it only accepts cube-shaped objects?
20:52:07 <elliott> yes. there are Rules, olsner
20:52:29 <elliott> there are stories of those who put non-cube-shaped objects in the cube but nobody has ever met somebody who has done so
20:52:45 <olsner> They tried and failed?
20:53:26 <kmc> that move was not by cuuuuuuuuuube it was by TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN
20:53:40 <elliott> olsner: no the cube ate them, RIP
20:54:08 <kmc> i saw a bedbug at mcdonald's once
20:55:45 <olsner> alive or dead? I think they're supposed to kill them before making burgers out of them
20:55:54 <kmc> alive, crawling on the furniture
20:56:09 <kmc> that sounds like a radiohead lyric but i don't think it is
20:56:49 <kmc> bedbugs don't transmit HIV or other bloodborne diseases
20:56:55 <kmc> last i saw, nobody is quite sure why
20:57:01 <kmc> mosiquitos don't transmit HIV either
20:57:02 <kmc> v. fortunate
20:57:41 <olsner> alive and crawling on the furniture describes me looking for the snooze button
20:58:08 <olsner> there's a difference in dimension between me and a bed bug though
20:58:24 <Bike> bedbugs are intruders from the seventh dimension
21:02:38 <Gracenotes> yeah, once I slept on my bed and got bite-looking marks, but I think it was just skin irritation
21:02:47 <olsner> and they are actually about the size of elephants, it's just that only the very tips of their snout-tips protrude into our little 3d subspace
21:03:01 <kmc> bedbug bites are pretty distinctive
21:03:07 <kmc> raised itchy red bumps, usually in groups
21:03:29 <Gracenotes> yeah, these were not really raised in the same way mosquito marks are. er.. probably.
21:03:30 <kmc> sometimes i find little beatles in my bed but they aren't bedbugs
21:03:43 <kmc> they're probably just foraging for delicious dead skin flakes
21:03:55 <shachaf> do they have a beat at least
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21:04:05 <shachaf> wow tell them to rename themselves
21:04:16 <kmc> i have misspelled a word :(
21:04:26 <Gracenotes> I'm a bit more discriminatory about the dead skin flakes I eat
21:04:42 <shachaf> kmc: it's on your permanent record hth
21:05:11 <shachaf> Gracenotes also plays the piano "unlike kmc's bedbeatles"
21:05:37 <Gracenotes> in summary I am a lot better than a beetle/beatle
21:06:21 <Sgeo> Why does Facebook have mixed content?
21:07:52 <Bike> aare you a white nationalist
21:12:28 <Sgeo> As in, http content is displayed despite using https
21:12:40 <Sgeo> That should have been obvious as to being what I meant
21:15:43 <HackEgo> "But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here."
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21:38:40 <Taneb> Tomorrow afternoon, I start doing all the things I have meant to do for a while
21:38:56 <Taneb> 2) Write tutorial for the tables library
21:39:15 <Taneb> I can't think of any more
21:39:16 <Bike> what's it like, performing actions
21:39:22 <Bike> 3) think of more things to do
21:39:32 <Taneb> 4) Spraypaint these toy guns gold
21:40:01 <kmc> what's (4) for
21:40:12 <Bike> now you're talking
21:40:19 <Taneb> kmc, Homestuck cosplay, I am afraid
21:40:35 <kmc> do they have orange tips and are you spraypainting those too
21:40:48 <Taneb> I am not sure what the relevant law is in this country
21:41:04 <kmc> maybe find out
21:41:08 <Taneb> I believe because they are obviously not real guns and I am not going to be using them in a threatening manner I should be safef
21:41:13 <kmc> before you get shot by the po-lice
21:41:17 <Bike> obviously, he says
21:41:30 <kmc> Taneb: is that based on a specific reading of the law or on 'common sense'
21:41:49 <kmc> because, the law does not follow 'common sense'
21:42:35 <Taneb> kmc, a specific reading of a website once
21:43:45 <kmc> anyway Happy Don't Get Shot By The Police While Cosplaying Homestuck Day
21:45:28 <Taneb> 5) organize picnic
21:46:06 <Taneb> 6) fix new graphics card driver problems, unrelated to the Chinese Graphics Card problem
21:47:34 <Taneb> 7) identify monads which do not have an applicative instance, or applicatives which do not have a functor instance, or monads which don't have a functor instance on Hackage, and fix them
21:48:19 <olsner> why would you follow that nice long list with something useful like 7
21:48:36 <Taneb> olsner, for what it's worth, I've already started 7
21:49:00 <Taneb> 8) figure out a kind of beer I like other than Budweiser
21:49:26 <Taneb> 9) attend picnic that I have organized
21:50:00 <kmc> do you mean the american Budweiser?
21:50:28 <Taneb> I mean the Budweiser that I can and have bought in the UK
21:51:22 <kmc> sounds like both the US and the German beer can be purchased in the UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser
21:51:40 <Taneb> Looking at the logos I suspect it is the US one
21:51:41 <kmc> er German / Czech
21:52:55 <kmc> that is such a boring beer
21:53:11 <Taneb> I am not a very good beer drinker
21:53:28 <Taneb> Most beers I can only drink a pint and a half before I sort of slow right down with the drinking
21:53:43 <Taneb> US Budweiser I can keep going past three pints
21:55:01 <Taneb> I prefer wine, but wine goes straight to my head and then I fall over
21:55:14 <Taneb> Do not like the taste of stronger alcohol at all
21:55:46 <Taneb> Or cider, for that matter, but that is because I don't really like the taste of apple juice
21:56:13 <Taneb> 10) find the charger for my phone
21:57:01 <Taneb> 11) figure out what one is actually supposed to do when in a relationship
21:57:45 <Taneb> 12) learn how to use one or more of pipes/conduit etc
21:58:05 <Taneb> 13) fix that C program I wrote ages ago that never actually worked but should interpret SK calculus
21:59:28 <Taneb> 14) watch Supernatural
21:59:42 <Taneb> I think that should do for now
22:00:57 <shachaf> by which i mean has those carbon dioxide bubbles i don't care how they got in there!!
22:01:07 <olsner> in that sense, yes it can be
22:01:08 <Taneb> elliott, isn't it your 18th in about two months?
22:01:53 <Taneb> I don't recommend beer except for social reasons, it isn't actually that nice
22:02:16 <shachaf> Taneb: which drugz would you recommend
22:02:23 <olsner> "for social reasons" == to get drunk?
22:02:38 <Bike> to get drunk /in society/ see
22:03:09 <Taneb> olsner, Bike knows what's what
22:03:21 <kmc> i think beer is tasty
22:03:22 <Taneb> shachaf, paracetamol is good for headaches!
22:03:30 <kmc> it comes in a lot of different kinds
22:03:34 <Taneb> But I here ibuprofen is good too
22:03:39 <kmc> paracetamol is pretty dangerous
22:04:05 <elliott> i might be interested in beer except for the drunkenness part
22:04:09 <Taneb> kmc, my house is full of paracetamol
22:04:11 <Taneb> elliott, try shandy
22:04:21 <Bike> well it's not like you just have a beer and instantly start dancing on tables.
22:04:31 <elliott> Bike: i think you'll find that is exactly how it works
22:04:49 <Taneb> Bike, I dance on tables before beer
22:04:53 <Taneb> Am I doing something wrong?
22:04:54 <Bike> Well yeah, me too.
22:04:56 <Bike> I'm just saying.
22:05:01 <olsner> I almost never dance on tables
22:05:03 <Bike> Stupid scrabble doesn't accept 'init', fuck you scrabble
22:05:18 <olsner> it's spelled innit, innit
22:05:24 <shachaf> Bike: uh, you can accept whatever words you like, hth
22:06:51 <kmc> i've read that a lot of the effects of alcohol intoxication turn out to be culture-bound
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22:07:32 <olsner> some university here secretly replaced all the beer with alcohol free beer, everyone got pretendshitfaced anyway
22:07:49 <Bike> psychology: the troll science
22:07:59 <shachaf> free beer as in free lunch, not as in alcohol free beer
22:08:03 <kmc> it provides a social context where it's somewhat more ok to make a fool of yourself
22:08:08 <kmc> and people take advantage of that
22:08:17 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alcohol_use_disorders_world_map_-_DALY_-_WHO2004.svg wow
22:08:20 <shachaf> alcohol: the #esoteric of life
22:08:49 <olsner> #esoteric: the alcohol of death
22:08:59 <Bike> uhhhh what's that country above ukraine
22:09:09 <olsner> where the hell is ukraine?
22:09:25 <kmc> what about belarus
22:09:26 <Bike> oh yeah belarus.
22:09:30 <Bike> olsner: south of belarus
22:10:03 <kmc> I have a friend in Minsk, who has a friend in Pinsk, whose friend in Omsk has friend in Tomsk with friend in Akmolinsk
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22:10:58 <olsner> hmm, did serbia and montenegro use to be one country called "Serbia and Montenegro"?
22:11:14 <kmc> the small bright red country next to ukraine is hungary I guess
22:11:30 <Bike> so speaking of drugz
22:11:32 <Bike> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKqV_ybCS-I this is great
22:11:35 <Bike> everyone should see it
22:11:53 <elliott> i like how "so speaking of drugz" works as a transition regardless of whether drugz were in fact being spoken of previously
22:11:59 <kmc> it was tho
22:12:04 <Bike> i'm good at segue
22:12:14 <elliott> yeah but the conversation had kind of moved on from drugz
22:12:17 <elliott> but the impact was still there
22:12:22 <Bike> like hell that's gonna stop me
22:12:35 <elliott> wait i saw this video like ten years ago
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22:13:26 <kmc> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HarmCausedByDrugsTable.svg
22:13:53 <Bike> elliott: was it good then too
22:14:10 <olsner> looks like meth has a pretty good ratio between self-harm and other-harm
22:14:17 <zzo38> With four NAND gates (a single IC, if you aren't counting the PRG ROM, PRG RAM, and CHR ROM/RAM), you can add 8K PRG RAM (with the added ability to write to two variables at once if wanted), an extra 32K PRG ROM bank (which cannot be accessed during rendering, therefore you might store level data which is loaded into RAM), and increase the number of possible tiles from 256 to 320.
22:15:05 <oerjan> `addquote <shachaf> the trouble with sushi is that it's often made of dead fish
22:15:09 <HackEgo> 1060) <shachaf> the trouble with sushi is that it's often made of dead fish
22:16:16 <Bike> i would also recommend kyle for more 'drugz videos'
22:17:13 <Taneb> Isn't sushi rice and vinegar
22:17:57 <shachaf> Bike: when you move to sf kmc can be your dealer too
22:17:57 <Taneb> Shouldn't I be in bed
22:17:58 <Fiora> yeah, sushi refers to the rice
22:18:44 <shachaf> i had a dream where my computer was stolen
22:18:54 <shachaf> (hint i actually do have no backups)
22:20:11 <elliott> I also don't have backups :(
22:20:41 <shachaf> elliott: yes well my files are more important than your files so it's a bigger deal
22:20:45 <Bike> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5gh77AD9ZU
22:20:51 <shachaf> also i have $50 of unused tarsnap credit
22:21:04 <shachaf> and about 0.5MB of files that i would really be sad if i lost
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22:21:19 <Bike> is tarsnap a sex thing
22:22:19 <elliott> what are the 0.5 mbs of files
22:23:34 <kmc> cyberdrugz
22:24:13 <Bike> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwchohlMjI i'm just going to watch kyle all day now
22:24:21 <kmc> i have backups but not off-site
22:24:25 <kmc> also they're all horribly organized
22:24:49 <shachaf> kmc: are you going to put your backups in your cube
22:24:59 <kmc> it's all like backup-20130126/backup2/home/keegan/backup/backup-20120708/home/keegan/backup/backup-20110916/
22:25:17 <Bike> i just dump my home folder everywhere
22:25:21 <kmc> except also that in tarballs so it's hard to search
22:25:33 <elliott> kmc: are they all like, on the same disk...
22:25:36 <kmc> i'm kind of surprised there isn't a more standard solution for making a tarball with random access
22:25:39 <kmc> elliott: yes
22:25:48 <Bike> recursive backups
22:25:55 <elliott> kmc: on the disk that you're actually backing up from
22:25:56 <shachaf> elliott: after enough nesting your backups go to a parallel dimension
22:26:15 <kmc> the whole pile is synced to several drives
22:26:29 <Bike> i for one keep all my horse porn on RAID
22:26:49 <kmc> i don't think i have any horse porn
22:27:00 <Bike> want me to hook you up
22:27:05 <kmc> no thank you
22:27:21 <shachaf> kmc: should i become a member of "hackerdojo"............................
22:27:24 <elliott> you don't think, but you're not sure
22:27:33 <kmc> shachaf: stupid name, might be cool tho?
22:27:39 <shachaf> finally i can learn to be a ninja
22:28:21 <kmc> is it full of startup douchebags
22:28:52 <Bike> teaching martial arts to startup douchebags might be lucrative
22:28:53 <kmc> and is that better or worse than noisebridge's complement of white supremicists and homeless crackheads
22:29:02 <Bike> charge them approximately a billion per session
22:30:06 <kmc> Bike: you should help them invent their own new 'disruptive' form of martial arts
22:30:14 <kmc> it's much better because it's designed by programmers and YC alumni
22:30:23 <kmc> then film them as they hurt themselves in hilarious ways
22:30:49 <kmc> shachaf: also you should get a job and move to the city
22:31:10 <kmc> good job / good city
22:31:16 <kmc> san fran cisco
22:31:49 <Bike> boxers are damn good
22:33:49 <elliott> kmc: should i get a job and move to the city
22:34:30 <shachaf> are there any cities in england
22:34:45 <shachaf> you could move to scotland
22:34:53 <olsner> I think they call them towns in england
22:34:56 <elliott> maybe i'll move to scotland if they declare independence
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22:39:48 <kmc> the City of London
22:41:49 <elliott> i could never live in london i think
22:43:27 <Bike> only in period dramas.
22:47:57 <kmc> the City is the tiny financial district right?
22:48:03 <kmc> those are usually not a great place to actually live
22:48:28 <elliott> well i meant london in general
22:48:33 <elliott> but yeah the city is like.. a mile or something
22:51:34 <kmc> Fiora: you might be interested in http://www.pvk.ca/Blog/2013/06/23/bitsets-match-regular-expressions/
22:51:44 <kmc> also it relates to that approximate matching "agrep" stuff y'all were talking about
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22:56:55 <Fiora> bike was throwing that at me the other day actually O_O it was really tricky to understand
22:57:14 <Fiora> wow that's a long post, okay, I'll try to understand it again
22:58:12 <Bike> it has annotated assembly, just as god intended
22:58:41 <Bike> well, anyway, the NSA is no longer a threat http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/06/us_offensive_cy.html#c1538650
22:59:12 <Bike> NSA would have their work cut out for them trying to logic bomb a hardened gentoo or even fedora workstation running grsec and selinux policy, surrounded by a locked down openbsd network firewall and router.
22:59:51 <kmc> *smokes a joint rolled from pages of Neuromancer*
23:00:45 <Bike> agrep is pretty cool
23:01:07 <Bike> when he tweeted that thing i was inspired enough to write a shitty implementation of bitap on fixed strings with no errors
23:01:54 <Bike> and then fail to explain it to fiora or anybody
23:01:56 <Bike> and so here we are.
23:02:59 <Sgeo> Which is more generally loathed, Cold Fusion or PHP?
23:03:15 <Bike> that is a very sad question
23:03:19 <Bike> i order you to cease considering it
23:03:32 <Bike> look at bitap instead
23:09:14 <Fiora> ohhhhhhhh. the state machine thing makes so much more sense
23:09:32 <Fiora> so basically you check all letters of the input for "A" in the case of "ABAD"
23:09:45 <Fiora> then you AND with "is each letter B", shifted by 1
23:09:52 <Fiora> then you and with "is each letter A", shifted by 1
23:12:01 <Bike> god i'm stuck on these comments though
23:12:08 <Bike> "So the US military develops a set of weapons which are almost useless against both it's official enemies ( a bunch of terrorists living in medieval conditions in Afghanistan) and it's unofficial enemies (China) - but which it is itself uniquely vulnerable to. Isn't this a little like Superman developing a kryptonite bomb?"
23:12:58 <Bike> Actually I find OBSD to be far less complex and easier to master than windows or apple products.
23:13:12 <kmc> obviously a typical mind
23:14:00 <Bike> pkhuong's code just defines the intrinsics right there. man
23:14:17 <Fiora> I didn't read the whole graph manipulation section, that seems a little scary
23:14:34 <Bike> told you it was so cool.
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23:25:45 <Phantom_Hoover> wh... how are the chinese not vulnerable to cyberwarfare
23:27:46 <Bike> i have no idea. the article that's a comment on is about US cyberwarfare against china.
23:27:51 <Bike> it's possible, just slightly, that the comment is dumb
23:28:10 <kmc> probably the commenter thinks that china is so much better at cyberwarfare than the US
23:28:13 <kmc> which is maybe true
23:28:31 <kmc> but infosec is so absurdly biased towards attackers right now that third-rate attacks can go through first-rate defense
23:28:58 * Bike imagines cyberwarfare WWI, shudders
23:29:14 * kmc emails Bike a ZIP file of chlorine gas
23:30:27 <Koen_> your antivirus won't help you
23:30:51 <Bike> this summer....
23:34:50 <Bike> http://blog.talkingphilosophy.com/?p=6344 old timey flamewars are so great
23:37:28 <oerjan> @tell Taneb functor is a superclass of applicative already so you don't need to check functor hth
23:39:00 <oerjan> @tell taneb might want to check for alternative vs. monadplus, though.
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