00:07:54 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:21:14 -!- Lymia has joined. 00:21:14 -!- Lymia has quit (Changing host). 00:21:14 -!- Lymia has joined. 00:26:24 elliott: can I join the bored 00:26:30 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 00:27:07 im not bored anymore so you can use my space 00:27:57 Fiora: how are you all bored 00:28:22 "Herr Slossenn Boschen accompanied himself. The prelude did not suggest a comic song exactly. It was a weird, soulful air. It quite made one’s flesh creep; but we murmured to one another that it was the German method, and prepared to enjoy it." wow this book is great. 00:28:28 A+ would be shachaffed again. 00:29:02 Bike: good old Herr Slossenn Boschen 00:29:32 my hero, imo 00:29:35 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 00:30:30 Fiora: you have been counted 00:30:30 Bike: are you sure the two students aren't the real heroes here 00:30:47 * Fiora went out and did some shopping and then kind of half fell asleep 00:30:47 Fiora: you are filling in for katla 00:30:55 katla...? 00:31:09 well, katla was bored earlier. 00:31:14 Fiora: katla was previous bored and is no longer bored. 00:31:23 Therefore we had a boredom-vacuüm 00:31:46 oh. sorry, I just didn't know katla 00:32:55 i don't either. we'll have to squeeze into the don't know katla spot. 00:33:01 this whole system kinda sucks, honestly 00:34:35 what did you shop 00:34:58 is "vacuüm" really correct 00:35:09 seems like that would imply three syllables 00:35:16 kmc: it's the dutch spelling hth 00:35:18 https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacu%C3%BCm 00:35:20 c.c 00:35:20 diacritics in english is like the opposite of correct. we'd have spelled it vacyuyuyum 00:35:32 vijkijm 00:35:42 shachaf: ok 00:38:54 @wn weir 00:38:56 *** "weir" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 00:38:56 weir 00:38:56 n 1: a low dam built across a stream to raise its level or 00:38:56 divert its flow 00:38:56 2: a fence or wattle built across a stream to catch or retain 00:38:58 fish 00:40:54 https://gergely.imreh.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/watch500-e1371887874832.jpg wow these things look really doofy 00:42:48 hey Fiora if you're bored you could read the book Bike is reading 00:42:51 pff 00:42:58 NICE FONT CHOICE LOSER!! 00:43:13 should've used comic sans 00:43:47 -!- mnoqy has joined. 00:43:48 yes 00:46:34 three men in a boat? 00:46:37 whats it about 00:46:55 not talking about a dog 00:47:22 why does a book have to be "about" something 00:47:59 current data suggests it's about three men in a boat 00:48:07 it's about a trip four individuals took in a boat on the river 00:48:14 from hexham to finland or something 00:48:23 oh, kingston to oxford 00:48:46 wait there are a lot of kingstons 00:49:00 really it could be about anything 00:49:03 i'm pretty sure it's kingston upon thames. 00:49:19 since. boat 00:49:27 i'm pretty sure it's the memory manufacturer 00:49:34 ttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingston_Road,_Oxford it's actually a land boat on the shortest trip ever. 00:49:41 h 00:49:47 s 00:49:53 ☺ 00:49:56 (you're welcome shachaf) 00:50:05 thike 00:50:13 maybe it's a trip from newcastle upon thames 00:50:16 that's a place right 00:50:51 avon upon thames 00:51:08 book? 00:51:22 Fiora: http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/308 00:52:17 it's weird looking up the locations and having them exist. 00:52:20 england is weird. 00:52:23 whoa gutenberg's shure changed over the years 00:52:34 i'm not used to things, like. existing. for long periods. 00:52:48 hey this book is only from the 90s 00:52:50 not that long ago 00:53:06 ii dontget it 00:53:23 1890 00:53:24 s 00:53:45 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/308/308-h/images/p255b.jpg i dunno guys this looks awfully like two men in a boat 00:53:52 other points in favor of this book: it's by a double jerome 00:54:12 jerome emorej 00:54:17 Three Men In A Boat But One Of Them Turns Out To Be Invisible 00:54:34 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/308/308-h/images/p281b.jpg ah so that's why they were in the boat 00:54:37 mnoqy: that picture is: Two novices in a boat 00:54:49 mnoqy: that picture is: The trout 00:55:01 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/308/308-h/images/p301b.jpg PRIME THANKS 00:55:03 er 00:55:05 THE PRIME THANKS 00:55:05 hey that trout is actually REDACTED 00:55:26 `thanks prime 00:55:28 Thanks, prime. Thime. 00:55:41 `thanks minister. 00:55:43 Thanks, minister.. Thinister.. 00:55:55 s/\.././g 00:55:59 `yes minister 00:55:59 http://www.gutenberg.org/files/308/308-h/images/p315b.jpg they found the magic man. the end. 00:56:00 minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister \ minister 00:57:00 mnoqy: that man is no man 00:57:02 that's Neptune 00:57:06 (a planet) 00:57:43 yeah that's why hes magic 00:57:51 u think im dumb??? 00:59:26 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 01:01:01 @tell mnoqy no 01:01:01 Consider it noted. 01:09:38 whoa, dude, http://www.1890s.ca/PDFs/hentschel_bio.pdf 01:10:57 wassat 01:11:15 harris hth 01:11:23 o 01:11:41 Bike: please get a 7-byte nick hth 01:12:04 http://www.php2python.com/ god's work 01:12:08 how many charsper byte 01:12:21 1 hth 01:12:45 kmc: doesn't have anything for SndToJewish 01:12:54 it's JdToJewish 01:13:10 which. wow, it does have. 01:13:17 no wait false alarm. 01:13:28 SndToJewish is a thing too 01:13:59 The first search result: PHP :: Bug #64895 :: interger overflow in SndToJewish 01:14:05 Followed by: PHP up to 5.5.0 RC1 User Input Sanitizer SndToJewish buffer overflow 01:14:07 Now, this is a subject on which I flatter myself I really am au fait. The gentleman who, when I was young, bathed me at wisdom's font for nine guineas a term—no extras—used to say he never knew a boy who could do less work in more time; and I remember my poor grandmother once incidentally observing, in the course of an instruction upon the use of the Prayer-book, that it was highly improbable that I should ever do much that I ought not ... 01:14:13 Followed by: 93968: PHP SndToJewish Function Integer Overflow DoS 01:14:13 ... to do, but that she felt convinced beyond a doubt that I should leave undone pretty well everything that I ought to do. 01:14:27 ion: yeah it was a security vunlerability, pretty rad. 01:15:00 http://www.php.net/manual/en/function.jdtofrench.php ah yes 01:15:02 very helpul 01:15:03 f 01:15:19 If you want to convert a date later than September 22nd 1806, you could use this function. It's a bit crude and due to the fact the original function terminates in the middle of 1806, it uses 1805 as it's 'terminus post quem'. 01:18:59 -!- sebbu has joined. 01:22:21 -!- sebbu2 has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 01:45:16 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:58:14 Henry VIII. and Anne Boleyn.—Disadvantages of living in same house with pair of lovers.—A trying time for the English nation.—A night search for the picturesque.—Homeless and houseless.—Harris prepares to die.—An angel comes along.—Effect of sudden joy on Harris.—A little supper.—Lunch.—High price for mustard.—A fearful battle.—Maidenhead.—Sailing.—Three fishers.—We are cursed. 02:00:05 exciting 02:00:42 Gracenotes: You should read that book too! 02:01:02 hi Gracenotes 02:01:07 what book indeed? hello 02:01:10 what is the book about though? 02:01:17 why read it 02:01:28 Those are two different questions. 02:01:41 The book is _Three Men in a Boat_, by Jerome K. Jerome. 02:01:43 http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/308 02:01:44 Three, if you include mine 02:01:50 Yours is already answered. 02:02:09 Hmm, come to think about it, so was katla's. 02:02:16 17:48 it's about a trip four individuals took in a boat on the river 02:02:44 which river? 02:02:55 Thames 02:05:19 mmm. for some reason, I don't think of Thames as being very wide 02:05:38 I think it gets narrower as it goes inland 02:08:42 also, I visited the marshes at the shoreline in Mountain View today by bike 02:08:54 ok I honestly cannot read "bike" as anything but a name now 02:08:57 it's extremely window, so it looks like static bodies of water are flowing 02:09:00 *windy 02:09:08 and they are flowing, but only at the surface 02:10:26 elliott: who do you think Gracenotes means? i live right by Mountain View. 02:10:40 a place called that. probably the same. i mean how many views of mountains can there be. 02:11:02 Bike: oh you've come to visit Gracenotes? 02:11:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thunder-T.png see, look at their logo. 02:11:16 i bet someone put over nine thousand hours of MS Paint work into that. 02:11:27 I'm not sure if the mountains to be viewed are the ones southwest of here or the ones northeast of here (across the bay) 02:11:43 they probably only had one mountain in mind. 02:11:49 i mean otherwise it would be Mountains View. 02:11:55 california has some p. good mountains 02:12:05 I think it just means that there exists a mountain 02:12:06 better than long island 02:12:44 or it's a good place for mountain-viewing, but choice of mountain is left as discretion for the viewer 02:13:54 okay, I looked it up on the internet, and it is in fact the south/southwest mountains that are being referred to 02:14:04 So what are the other mountains for? 02:14:17 long island is p. long 02:14:32 kmc: california is p. long 02:14:34 not for viewing, obviously 02:14:40 "hence the comparison hth" 02:17:36 oh my, lows of 40 F (4 C) in the winter and 60 F (15 C) in the summer 02:17:41 how will I ever survive 02:18:04 "thx for the C" 02:19:21 "ur walcm" 02:19:57 Cs for security for shachaf 02:20:12 help 02:25:14 Gracenotes: when it was winter here i didn't survive btw 02:28:27 fuck 02:28:40 brb buying plane ticket 02:29:03 too late "u'r already dead" 02:29:07 rip 02:31:23 rip in peace gracenotes 02:31:45 it's nice to know the thames has always been polluted and gross 02:32:16 'always' 02:33:14 always and forever 02:34:19 «As early as the 1300s, the Thames was used as a means of disposing waste produced from the city of London, effectively turning the river into an open sewer. In 1357, Edward III described the state of the river in a proclamation: "...dung and other filth had accumulated in divers places upon the banks of the river with... fumes and other abominable stenches arising therefrom."» 02:35:46 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Stink 02:35:53 I have a critical question 02:36:05 kmc: fantastic 02:36:08 if I already plan on putting brussel sprouts in my frittata, will mushroms be a good addition or not? 02:36:16 mushrooms, rather 02:36:32 seems every great city either has a sizeable river or is located on the ocean 02:36:56 what's the best city with neither 02:37:16 hm, tall order. overland transport is kind of hard. 02:37:33 in the past. 02:37:38 ocean or other large body of water, I should say 02:37:39 maybe ulaanbataar, not that it's very big. 02:38:00 oh damn, that's on a river too. 02:38:04 there must be some huge landlocked cities in china by now 02:38:10 but maybe not historically 'great' cities 02:38:31 maybe one of the newer ones. 02:38:42 in outer mongolia maybe? 02:38:50 wow the seine is quite bendy 02:38:51 inner, rather 02:38:58 i wonder if it was more or less bendy in the past 02:39:47 the river in sarajevo is only a few inches deep 02:39:51 but might have been deeper in the past 02:39:53 hrm, the biggest city in inner mongolia is on the yellow river :x 02:40:20 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 02:40:50 so's the capital. 02:41:17 -!- mnoqy has joined. 02:41:26 -!- sprocklem has joined. 02:41:53 hm i think urumqi might be dry. 02:42:15 aha! samarkand. 02:42:34 aha 02:42:42 "Oxus was the ancient Greek name of the Amu Daria River and Transoxiana (beyond the Oxus) was the region between this river and the Yaxarte (Syr Daria River). The city of Samarkand is located in a fertile valley midway between these two rivers. " god dammit. 02:43:59 even phoenix has a river 02:44:16 fuck you, phoenix. 02:45:53 your fucks are better allocated for the rest of arizona 02:46:32 las vegas. 02:48:54 haha kmc 02:49:27 vegas is basically a shithole yes? 02:49:35 well probably 02:49:37 i haven't been there but from what i hear 02:49:40 but no river and that's what's important 02:49:40 Bike: "ve" means "and" in hebrew so i used to think that phrase meant "las and gas" 02:49:47 nice. 02:49:50 Bike: also i didn't actually know it was a place 02:49:53 haha 02:50:01 i thought it was a microsoft word decoration style thing 02:50:03 shachaf: it's hard to get that it exists from ads for it, yeah. 02:50:06 i was p. young 02:50:12 rather than some kind of mystic territory 02:50:19 there's a big themepark for drunk lecherous idiots which exists outside the city itself 02:50:31 i should go sometime though 02:50:48 feel like I can't fully understand American culture if I've never been to Vegas 02:51:42 the city itself is urban decay + recently imported startup hipsters 02:51:49 http://www.bettersolutions.com/word/WVZ299/LL738921911.png 02:52:24 even detroit downtown is fun to visit, I think 02:52:34 what do you do there 02:52:40 in the same sense that las vegas puts a lot of economic effort into its downtown 02:52:47 wow, nevada has less than two dozen incorporated cities 02:52:48 it does? 02:52:51 I dunno, shopping, eating? 02:53:04 kmc: is there that whole casino thing? 02:53:06 i've been to reno 02:53:06 *isn't 02:53:19 kmc: according to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cities_in_Nevada 02:53:34 Gracenotes: the fancy casinos are outside city limits 02:53:52 it really is like a theme park 02:54:00 ah, so, urban decay 02:54:19 huh i don't remember wherever i was being like that 02:54:24 hugeass hotels right in the middle of town 02:54:39 there are casinos and hotels in downtown vegas too but they have a seedy reputation 02:55:06 at least that's my impression; I haven't been there 02:55:39 meanwhile oregon has 242 02:55:46 the CEO of Zappos is spending a bajillion dollars to turn downtown vegas into a startup hipster mecca 02:55:50 maybe i've been overestimating how many cities are in places 02:55:56 and pissing off a lot of people in the process 02:55:59 kmc: why......... 02:56:03 kmc: aren't hipsters supposed to be environmentally conscious or some crap 02:56:14 e.g. buying a whole building of low income housing and evicting everyone to make room for more hipsters 02:56:18 i dunno 02:56:39 hm, standards for "cities" sure do vary a lot between states 02:56:49 https://www.evernote.com/shard/s10/sh/cb5049c0-54e7-477a-92a8-2f49e1fffbf2/96832700c99f170c665364a3414cf92a this is what I read on the subject recently 02:56:53 "Kahlotus is a city in Franklin County, Washington, United States. The population was 193 at the 2010 census" e.g. 02:57:09 kmc: you read that article, as well? 02:57:18 yes 02:57:23 kind of interesting, yeah 02:57:54 I think it's the same way that well-to-do silicon valley types can be very non-intentionally sexist and racist 02:57:54 i've seen infinity versions of "why Bay Area startup culture is awful and is destroying SF" so it was interesting to read one about a different city 02:58:19 and classist, perhaps, in this case 02:58:19 interesting that so much has been written on these topics in the past few months 02:58:47 I agree with most of the criticisms but I'm not sure where this bandwagon is going exactly, or who's pushing it 02:59:00 http://25.media.tumblr.com/df8bcb1d55071af4c977aa82d3bccfcb/tumblr_mor89gqYUE1qcw9rdo1_400.jpg racism 02:59:14 but in another week I will be one of those overpaid Mission software jerks so I'd better figure out my cultural context 03:00:13 before you know it, you'll be bragging about your distance in meters from Mark Zuckerberg and waiting in line for 2 hours to purchase artisan frozen yogurt. 03:00:19 is self-hatred a context 03:00:19 oh no kmc is turning into a jerk :'( 03:00:26 please, waiting in line? i'll hire a taskrabbit to do that for me 03:00:35 Bike: the best context 03:00:53 Gracenotes: You really don't like people who wait in lines, huh? 03:00:53 but if you do it yourself, it makes the instagram so much more rewarding 03:01:01 hehe 03:01:07 i did have some really good ice cream last time I was in SF 03:01:08 shachaf: not for pedestrian things, as such... 03:01:10 only had to wait about 4 minutes 03:01:19 Wasn't it frozen yogurt? 03:01:23 Oh, SF. 03:01:26 salted ginger sundae from Bi-Rite 03:01:29 yeah, different 03:01:39 Gracenotes: When kmc was in Mountain View we went to Yoogl. 03:01:42 the froyo from "Yoogl" was ok but not fantastic 03:01:50 Yep. 03:01:56 I see it as emblematic of something, although I'm trying to figure out what 03:02:08 emblematic of Yoogl 03:02:15 Google runs out of other things to do, acquires Yoogl 03:02:18 perhaps there are better emblems 03:02:27 i want some salted caramel ice cream 03:02:38 quintopia: There's a good place in Palo Alto for it! 03:02:47 also Gracenotes i'm pretty sure you should put mushrooms in your frittata 03:02:51 http://ricksicecream.com/ 03:02:53 palo alto is not on the appalachian trail 03:02:59 I mean, Google NYC has gotten the Big Gay Ice Cream Truck to give out ice cream for free in the past (in one of its cafes) 03:03:00 imo it is 03:03:09 is the big gay ice cream truck a thing 03:03:14 are there like models on it 03:03:16 you should move the town over here 03:03:22 it is a good ice cream store in NYC 03:03:26 an ice cream truck that has sex with other ice cream trucks 03:03:30 and also food truck 03:03:35 i need details re: gay trucks 03:03:36 Best kind. 03:03:45 it is the ice cream itself that is gay, not the truck 03:05:15 or then again, it may be the shop 03:05:18 I'm not certain 03:05:42 kmc: is that like s/ice cream truck/human/g 03:05:48 or is ice cream truck not a species of truck 03:06:07 i don't know 03:06:30 maybe 'ice cream truck' is a gender of truck 03:06:37 confused 😿 03:06:43 gay ice cream sounds good too 03:06:45 how many genders of truck are there 03:06:49 maybe a lot? 03:06:51 plus, it's an identity, not an indication of sexual truck activity 03:06:53 there are a lot of sexes of mushroom 03:06:56 yes true 03:07:05 not directly, at least 03:07:10 or of mushrooms pore anyway 03:07:11 trucktivity 03:07:13 mushroom spore* 03:08:25 Gracenotes: you should grow your own mushrooms for food 03:08:26 it's easy 03:08:41 and you can grow them on recycled newspapers, cardboard, &c 03:08:47 apparently rick's ice cream is under new management and ruined now??????? 03:08:51 :'( 03:08:54 perhaps i will investigate :'( 03:08:55 I don't trust any mushroom I can see grow 03:09:04 its in palo alto? 03:09:06 someone else has to do the growing 03:09:09 why 03:09:15 yes, http://www.yelp.com/biz/ricks-ice-cream-palo-alto 03:09:19 IT'S THE ONLY WAY TO BE SAFE 03:09:24 ? 03:09:34 look at all those reviews 03:09:42 oyster mushrooms are very easy to grow yourself and very hard to confuse with any kind of poisonous kind of mushroom 03:09:55 hm, I don't usually cook with oyster mushrooms 03:09:57 not a bad idea 03:10:12 you can even get one from the grocery store and clone its tissue to make more mushrooms 03:10:14 but still, I will defer what is poisonous and not to mycologists 03:10:23 you have cologists? 03:10:30 they don't really do tissue specialization; a bit of the fruiting body can turn back into mycelium easily 03:10:46 "eh, guess i don't really need these penises atm" 03:11:09 kmc: what if i confuse oyster mushrooms with oysters 03:11:16 Gracenotes: for some types the identification is very easy; also if in doubt you can post to http://www.shroomery.org/forums/postlist.php/Board/3 03:11:19 shachaf: dont 03:11:25 :'( 03:11:49 wow that's so many reviews 03:12:03 i gotta see what's going on there!! 03:12:33 I have made up a format of plugins of Famicom emulator to implement mappers and input devices, which is: http://forums.nesdev.com/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=9283&p=113813#p113813 03:13:58 mushrooms are strange that way. I still think they are plants that wanted to become animals. (not exactly evolutionarily, but, from the perspective of the human palate) 03:14:42 which is obviously the end goal of evolution 03:15:17 yes 03:15:22 obviously. 03:15:45 the end goal of evolution is shachaf 03:15:47 hth 03:15:57 so sushi is the end goal of evolution? 03:16:15 no, i'm not sushi 03:16:30 but the end goal of evolution is creating tasty human food 03:16:43 and also creating humans 03:16:51 these are exclusive goals 03:17:01 the trouble with sushi is that it's often made of dead fish 03:17:13 Fiora: That can't be correct. 03:17:20 pretty sure it can be. 03:17:23 i mean have you had sushi. 03:17:48 i had a sushi-like thing with kmc et al. in sf 03:17:49 shachaf: Not always. Sometimes it is made of live fish, and sometimes it doesn't even contain fish. 03:17:58 did that thing count as sushi? not sure 03:19:37 it's fast food sushi 03:20:06 living might be used a bit speciously there 03:21:20 wow, potato peeling technology was in a dismal state in the 1890s 03:21:22 fiiiiiiiiiiiiiish 03:21:47 shachaf: but I guess yours had no fish, so I don't know 03:21:54 "George said it was absurd to have only four potatoes in an Irish stew, so we washed half-a-dozen or so more, and put them in without peeling" jesus christ 03:22:24 isn't the skin supposed to be super? 03:22:26 or something 03:22:38 Bike: did you read _Pippi Longstocking_ hth 03:22:51 no 03:23:03 The skin is poison. 03:23:15 also, I think I did a bit too much burning in my brussel sprout frittata tonight 03:23:16 not really 03:23:19 only if it's turned green 03:23:20 could have used more fats 03:23:33 shachaf: you may or may not be helping hth 03:23:34 kmc: Yes, the skin is poison if it is green. 03:23:47 potatoes are some lovecraftian shit really 03:23:54 good thing they're delicious 03:24:00 the green thing is not perfectly correlated with poisonousness either 03:24:12 It is actually only a small poison though, and it isn't the green part that is poison. 03:24:19 they are basically pure starch 03:24:22 right 03:25:03 gosh, people were making jokes about bagpipes over a hundred years ago 03:25:04 makes u think 03:27:00 think what 03:28:08 yes 03:28:23 yeah. 03:28:54 bagpipes, am i right 03:30:16 most things have an immunity from being ridiculed for a period of time 03:30:33 A Famicom emulator using this input plugin format need to somehow convert the user's input into MIDI; how it does this is specific to the emulator being in use. 03:31:21 What is Famicom? 03:31:24 Oh, NES? 03:31:29 oh boy 03:31:34 japanes 03:32:09 Yes, they are similar to Famicom/NES. 03:33:23 oh man, the description of rowing. 100% accurate 03:35:34 no margin of error there? 03:35:36 I intend to write some Z-machine interpreter for Famicom! Possibly Z-machine version 1 to 3, at first. The only existing iNES mapper I know that will do it is MMC5 although I have designed a simpler mapper with two 74xx series ICs, but this simpler one isn't emulated. However, the thing I don't know is how to make division/modulo of 16-bits in 6502 code. 03:35:40 Do you know? 03:36:26 district attorneys, am I right? https://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/18/nyregion/after-sexual-abuse-case-a-hasidic-accuser-is-shunned-then-indicted.html?_r=2& 03:37:06 Gracenotes: none 03:39:02 Gracenotes: nasty. 03:39:39 if someone offers you money to keep something secret, you're actually extorting them 03:39:49 til 03:40:22 people in remotely popular cases always do that shit. 03:40:31 the zimmerman attorneys are playing similarly, apparently 03:42:07 a lot of non-hasidic-jew people I've talked to, even jews themselves, have had nothing but negative experiences with hasidic jews in NYC :/ 03:42:18 jews are friendly, right? right? 03:42:30 anyway... not worth harping on, though... 03:42:56 all i know is that hasidists are like theologically conservative and wear hats? 03:43:00 yeah it is a weird, insular community that is quite hostile to the outside world 03:43:16 even though they live in the middle of a fucking world city 03:44:28 http://nymag.com/realestate/neighborhoods/2010/65356/ 03:44:44 hm, I am going to be feeling this sunburn tomorrow 03:44:51 (moreso than today) 03:45:09 i remember when i removed my hair and then walked in the sun for a few hours 03:45:24 'Over at Search Engine Roundtable they have a lovely write-up about Chabad at Stanford’s “Google Glass Tefillin Stand.” Apparently students were given a chance to try on Google Glass and use it to put on Tefillin - complete with the blessings and Shema prayer. 03:45:29 ' 03:45:36 should really get sunscreen, especially if I'm going to be going to places with almost no cloud cover, no trees, very windy, and close to shiny water 03:46:03 scantily clad female riders 03:46:05 I've never seen it transliterated as shema 03:47:11 ...apparently it's common 03:48:39 Bike: did you know it's legal for women to be topless in public in NYC 03:49:00 kmc: although I think SF wins that one 03:49:07 -!- katla has quit (Quit: .). 03:49:30 kmc: yeah but only because of a webcomic i read, so that hardly counts 03:50:06 Gracenotes: i have also heard it is legal for women to be topless in public in SF 03:50:16 however full nudity (for men or women) is now illegal 03:50:21 outside of certain special events 03:50:37 ah... yes, that's been in the works for a while 03:50:46 I didn't see that it actually passed 03:51:11 it's probably a result of nudists not caring much about towel etiquette 03:51:43 ...among other things 03:51:54 and also people who make generalizations 03:52:03 they're the worst, generalizers 04:08:22 still bored :/ 04:08:37 get a job!! 04:08:43 you're not my real father! 04:09:17 kmc: have you learned rust yet 04:09:26 is there a well known thing in math like a "partial permutation", i.e. f :: X -> Maybe X such that if x ≠ y then f x ≠ f y unless they're both Nothing? 04:09:38 shachaf: no, that's a thing I could do I suppose 04:11:25 @google partial permutation 04:11:25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partial_permutation 04:11:26 Title: Partial permutation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia 04:11:29 is your thing like that 04:11:31 i'm playing with this idea of computation through character reëncoding and I think a reëncode operation is like one of these 04:11:43 not sure 04:12:19 probably some reëncodings aren't injective either but I'm setting that aside for now 04:14:03 that looks like the same, i think. 04:14:14 with "the special hole symbol" instead of nothing. 04:14:38 U+1F3C9 'SPECIAL HOLE SYMBOL' 04:15:13 → used to mark special holes on maps 04:17:23 special holes, eh? 04:22:21 well, that book was amusing. 04:26:50 http://sfist.com/attachments/SFist_AndrewD/frankchu_pinklady_davitydave.jpg san francisco 04:37:47 -!- amca has joined. 04:41:11 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 04:46:19 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 04:48:24 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:48:44 -!- carado has joined. 05:31:26 much is made of the way the Internet provides global access to knowledge, but I should think that access to beauty is at least as significant 05:31:48 I think it's really cool how most of the music ever written is now available anywhere for free 05:32:07 i must say i quite enjoy that. 05:33:15 on the other hand most of it has drums in it 05:33:23 so can you truly call it beauty? 05:33:40 shachaf: I listened to Set Fire to Flames today, some of that didn't have drums 05:33:47 most paintings also have oil in them hth 05:33:55 (am I doing a good shachaf impression) 05:33:55 shachaf is condemned to eternal post-rock. 05:33:59 horrifying 05:34:00 it's a GY!BE side project of sorts 05:34:12 oh i didn't know that 05:34:25 i just, kind of assume all post-rock is made by individuals, with goatees or something probably 05:34:28 haha 05:34:30 and they live in canada 05:34:35 you're right about that part 05:34:41 Fiora: "hth" isn't a shachaf impression... 05:34:48 Fiora: It's an oerjan impression. hth 05:34:49 oh... I don't know who does that then >_< 05:34:52 I'm sorry 05:35:03 I,I Data.Set.Set Fire 05:35:05 i think hth is just an #esoteric thing. 05:35:14 i've seen it crop up elsewhere 05:35:39 hth and abbreviations 'p.' and 'v.' were both popular on SomethingAwful shitposting subforums years ago 05:35:50 oh no :'( 05:35:54 Laissez's Faire and YOSPOS 05:35:54 yeah i picked up "p." from a goon 05:35:57 figures 05:36:12 i've heard so many horror stories about laissez's faire 05:36:19 help 05:36:27 kmc: what about cobol "is that the place to be" 05:36:40 last time i looked at cobol it seemed pretty dull. 05:37:17 there's a lot of overlap in terms of personnel between GY!BE and {A,The,Thee} Silver Mount Zion {,Reveries,Memorial Orchestra,Memorial Orchestra & Tra-La-La Band,Memorial Orchestra and Tra-La-La Band with Choir} 05:37:27 help 05:37:28 Fiora: Also I'm not sure what point you were making? 05:38:01 also some of the same people decided to play Yiddish folk music under the name Black Ox Orkestar 05:38:11 'hth' is a good marker of sincerity 05:38:13 help i'm drowning in stereotypes. 05:39:06 Gracenotes: or lack thereof? 05:39:11 if you can't say something acerbic and witty, say something sincere. is the usual strategy. 05:39:57 btw the newest GY!BE album is really good 05:40:06 if you can't say something acerbic and witty, don't say anything at all 05:40:36 what's the new album called 05:40:45 (is it expressible in unicode) 05:42:01 not everything is expressible, after all. The Artist Formerly Known as Prince still doesn't have a character 05:42:14 surely not to do with trademark law 05:44:21 it's called 'Allelujah! Don't Bend! Ascend! 05:44:27 heh. 05:44:30 including that leading quote 05:44:38 so it's ascii, v. boring 05:44:44 http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/yi.FrRlICOSy2dxEhRG_oQ--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7cT04NTt3PTYzMA--/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/finance/2013-06-17/d08066ad-f8b7-4fb6-b276-b50b7cb4df55_PSYCH.jpg 05:44:50 not like F♯ A♯ ∞ 05:45:04 That's not a quote! 05:46:52 or that programming language, coctothorpe 05:47:31 I've only listened to a little bit of GY!BE in the past 05:49:37 "...it also appears on bandmember Aidan Girt's related project 1-Speed Bike's debut album Droopy Butt Begone! (2000)" 05:50:29 of course they use fixies. 05:50:48 i must object pedantically that not all 1-speed bikes are fixies 05:52:28 also TIL some bikes use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hub_gear instead of a deraileur 05:52:32 cool looking 05:53:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Speed1c.png 05:53:39 ooh, epicyclic gears 05:54:53 also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaft-driven_bicycle 05:55:24 i'm so behind on the world of my people. 05:55:45 hm that would be nice because it wouldn't try to eat my pants 05:55:46 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 05:56:23 do i want to buy a €2000 shaft driven dutch electric folding bicycle 05:56:56 no hth 05:57:01 pretty sure i do 05:57:43 ok yes hth 05:57:48 v. good 05:58:04 -!- zzo38 has joined. 06:07:44 -!- Lymia has joined. 06:09:45 -!- conehead has joined. 06:12:54 -!- mnoqy has joined. 06:42:57 -!- Taneb has joined. 07:24:56 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 07:32:53 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 07:44:59 -!- TodPunk has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 07:45:13 -!- TodPunk has joined. 07:48:32 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 07:48:40 Hello 07:48:47 Hi 07:49:07 -!- AnotherTest has left. 07:49:11 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 07:49:12 bye. 07:49:26 "2 slow" 07:49:34 Ugh, why does middle mouseclick close my tabs 07:49:46 And why do I click the middle button 07:49:49 Hello from a TRAIN trains are the best oh no I was even slowest 07:50:07 fizzie: #cslounge-trains is the channel for that 07:50:44 The Wi-Fi in this train is the worst though #zerothworldproblems 07:51:03 TRAAAAAIN 07:51:06 train whence whither 07:51:24 Helsinki to Joensuu. 07:52:24 I bet the wifi is better than the wifi on the Hexham to Newcastle train 07:52:41 This used to be like six hours but nowadays it's four and a half. 07:53:23 Fun fact: "Joensuu" can be translated "Joe's mouth". 07:53:32 Taneb: here in america they haven't invented trains yet but there are buses 07:53:36 sometimes they have wifi 07:53:59 (Though really it's "river's mouth".) 07:54:09 Is the river called Joe? 07:54:15 man. pedestrian trains. that's some sci-fi shit. 07:55:15 Bike: hey you could take the train here so san francisco 07:56:14 Sadly, the river is called "Pielisjoki". 07:57:00 Hmm, I missed my N000th birthday. :-( 07:57:10 (Pielinen is the related lake.) 07:57:13 i took the train past salem once but that's about it. 07:57:23 Does Pielinen mean Pasty 07:57:25 *Pastry 07:57:57 shachaf: what radix? 07:58:01 Taneb: Not as far as I know. 07:58:07 AnotherTest: 10 07:58:16 ==Bike 07:58:27 N? 07:59:08 Oh no 07:59:17 Because it sounds like "Pie lining" 07:59:26 `quote mezzoforte 07:59:29 Do people use flexible number systems where you can use digits larger than the base? 07:59:30 417) Non sequitur is my forte On-topic discussion is my piano Bowls of sugary breakfast cereal is my mezzoforte Full fat milk is my pianissimo On which note, I'm hungry 07:59:32 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 07:59:34 brb 08:00:01 fizzie: that would just mean making the base larger 08:01:45 AnotherTest: No, it wouldn't. 08:01:53 Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs? 08:02:24 fizzie: Hm. I am puzzled 08:02:28 AnotherTest: E.g. A0 in flexible base-ten would be 10*10. 08:02:45 hm 08:02:55 -!- TodPunk has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:03:10 fizzie: That sounds awful. :-( 08:03:10 You'd have multiple encodings of same number, of cvoursr. 08:03:22 Of cvoursr you would. 08:03:24 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 08:04:10 I tried to be fast on a touchscreen keyboard. 08:04:37 So 08:04:46 B00 = 11 * 10 * 10? 08:05:02 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 08:05:05 oh no 08:05:11 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Read error: No route to host). 08:05:34 What about A00B 08:05:41 Also, the Finnish lake wiki does not know the etymology of the name "Pielinen". 08:06:20 AnotherTest: 10*10^3 + 11. 08:07:05 oh right 08:08:03 So AA = 110 = B0 08:08:20 Just sum_i x_i * 10^i but with (some) x_i >= 10. 08:09:05 Back 08:10:25 Flexible base-ten? Is that something like what dc does? 08:11:08 I don't recall what dc does, but maybe it isd. 08:11:44 Regardless of what the input base is in dc, you can always use 0 to 9 and A to F as digits, and it will do like that. 08:13:10 Apparently so. 08:14:53 `run echo AA B0 110 f | dc 08:14:55 110 \ 110 \ 110 08:19:43 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 08:23:53 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 08:26:36 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 08:27:53 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 08:31:43 -!- TodPunk has joined. 08:34:50 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 08:35:14 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:37:40 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 08:39:26 -!- tertu has joined. 08:41:31 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 08:47:46 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 08:57:27 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 09:01:19 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 09:14:54 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 09:15:13 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 09:18:45 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 09:34:09 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 09:36:01 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 10:11:13 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:11:36 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 10:14:28 -!- nooodl has joined. 10:30:31 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:06:45 -!- hogeyui has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 11:21:50 -!- hogeyui has joined. 11:22:07 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 11:24:46 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 11:36:04 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 11:37:23 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 11:37:24 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 11:57:53 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 12:00:10 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 12:15:34 kmc: should i learn to ride a bicycle [in: re: bike talk] 12:16:20 elliott: what........youdon'tknowhowtorideabicycle....... 12:16:25 oops i forgot how to press space 12:17:02 no you didn't 12:17:05 i think i knew at one point 12:17:08 but only barely 12:17:27 elliott: well i forgot to do it for about three words 12:17:34 then i liked the effect so i finished the sentence 12:17:36 you should learn unicycling instead 12:18:10 elliott: Yes, you should learn to ride a bicycle. 12:18:20 But first you should learn how to ride a bicycle, if you don't know. 12:20:48 -!- sacje has quit (Quit: sacje). 12:24:41 -!- sebbu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:25:16 -!- sebbu has joined. 12:33:19 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 12:34:18 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:42:33 -!- katla has joined. 12:43:52 -!- katla has quit (Client Quit). 12:45:44 -!- katla has joined. 13:18:12 -!- copumpkin has joined. 13:19:29 -!- trollkin has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 13:23:29 hi copumpkin 13:29:09 -!- sacje has joined. 14:07:36 omg 14:08:06 katla: welcome back! 14:09:04 -!- carado has joined. 14:11:04 ty 14:14:53 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 14:20:08 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 14:20:37 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 14:23:36 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 14:24:00 -!- amca has quit (Quit: Farewell). 14:30:18 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 14:30:41 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has changed nick to Nisstyre. 14:47:45 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Quit: Leaving). 16:34:02 -!- Yonkie has joined. 17:01:29 -!- zzo38 has joined. 18:00:15 -!- NihilistDandy has joined. 18:07:03 -!- SirCmpwn has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 18:12:56 -!- SirCmpwn has joined. 18:21:50 copumpkin its kinda boring 18:35:45 I can't figure out how to make a not gate in this cellular automaton 18:37:39 elliott: yes, you should 18:38:05 kmc: before or after the LSD 18:38:07 elliott: you don't know how to bike?? 18:38:10 or simultaneously 18:38:12 gotta order my kmc advices 18:38:18 mnoqy: well i actually don't know if i do or not... 18:38:27 like i'm pretty sure i "sort of" could at one point? 18:38:27 horrifying. 18:38:52 AND and OR are pretty easy 18:39:37 a glider gun that turns off when struck? 18:40:29 {AND, OR} isn't functionally complete, yeah 18:40:31 which CA FreeFull 18:42:41 shachaf: should I pester sites that submit login credentials over HTTPS but serve the login form over plain HTTP? 18:42:49 or is this one of those things where everyone does it and you'll never get them to change 18:44:11 kmc: JvN29/Nobili32/Hutton32 18:44:21 FreeFull: what 18:44:30 Woops 18:44:32 katla: ^ 18:48:46 -!- conehead has joined. 18:54:43 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 19:07:05 katla: Any help 19:07:58 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 19:10:02 i dont know this CA 19:11:35 i'm messing around with it right now 19:11:44 it's cute 19:11:51 -!- NihilistDandy has quit (Quit: NihilistDandy). 19:11:52 it's not a very catchy name 19:12:20 oh shit, von neumann's, huh 19:13:52 FreeFull: how would a not gate even work 19:14:30 output a bunch of green arrows all the time unless it receives a blue arrow? (pro technical terms) 19:14:37 i mean receives a green arrow 19:14:58 i mean "excited ordinary transmission state" 19:15:12 that would make sense to me 19:15:12 nooodl: That'd be a true inverter 19:15:18 Although alternatives are welcome too 19:16:02 AND and OR are very easy 19:16:14 OR is just multiple wires leading into the same spot 19:16:23 AND is the same, but that spot has a green thing there 19:17:51 -!- AnotherTest has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 19:18:01 I have a feeling it's more complicated than it seems 19:18:20 A switch should be easy enough though 19:20:09 -!- NihilistDandy has joined. 19:20:36 Yeah, a switch is very easy 19:21:29 So I guess you could make an inverter if you figure out how to grab the leading edge of a continuous current 19:22:04 It'd have a limit on how often it could be toggled though 19:23:48 i'm bad at this 19:24:16 i managed to create a continuous stream of green thingies! i guess that's something 19:24:56 nooodl: It's not that easy if you don't have a convienient reference 19:25:45 I managed to make a switch 19:26:07 ok so there was a very easy way to do what i just did. oops 19:27:34 Yeah, there is 19:28:49 nooodl: Try making a switch 19:29:10 oooh ca 19:31:07 I wonder how you'd go about getting the leading edge of a signal 19:31:36 JvN29/Nobili32/Hutton32 is this in the naming scheme of some program? 19:31:52 is it not golly's? 19:31:58 * Bike assumes everybody working with CAs uses golly. 19:32:23 http://golly.sourceforge.net/Help/Algorithms/JvN.html 19:33:18 Well, golly doesn't do all CAs 19:33:24 But yeah, I am using golly right now 19:33:44 hmmmm i found a way to disable the stream 19:33:50 but how to turn it on again... 19:34:32 i haven't done much with golly 19:34:44 enough to know that it's really primitive 19:35:31 oklopol: I bet you only messed around with one rule 19:35:44 yeah pretty much 19:35:47 http://i.imgur.com/I7neyO2.png 19:35:49 FreeFull: ^ 19:35:54 we implemented the thing i mentioned the other day in golly 19:35:58 am i vaguely on the right track? 19:36:10 we usually use mathematica for experimentation, it's at least slightly more usable 19:36:56 s/experimentation/playing around/ 19:37:53 i don't even know how to use the red arrows 19:38:06 sending signals to them makes them... disappear... 19:39:17 nooodl: Oh, the cyan diamond becomes an and gate if it has more than one input 19:39:23 yup 19:39:30 i mean golly doesn't even compute preimages 19:39:32 the fuck 19:39:36 nooodl: What I did was use red arrows 19:39:45 or check invertibility 19:39:51 oh i think i see what you mean 19:40:35 oops i don't 19:41:21 i can't open those :( 19:41:34 "The address wasn't understood" 19:42:06 the rle's i mean 19:42:58 but 29 states? that sounds way too complicated to work with 19:43:05 is it? 19:43:31 nah it makes a lot of sense 19:44:04 are some of the states like tails of moving particles or something like that 19:44:21 basically you have "wires" that you send signals over, encoding which symbol to make at the end of the wire in binary http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:VonNeumann_CA_demo.gif 19:46:06 i think i've seen a constructor arm draw and undraw something in an example in maybe cellebration, perhaps it was this rule 19:46:20 probably 19:47:27 FreeFull: i got it!! 19:47:40 :D 19:51:50 How often do normal people do laundry? 19:52:29 varies, probably about once a week 19:52:34 Oh 19:52:51 that's among people i know anyway, which ≠ "normal people" 19:52:52 I've been doing it once a week, it's kind of frustrating having a weekly chore like that though 19:52:58 sure 19:53:02 you can buy more clothes and do laundry less often 19:53:26 buy more clothes and never do laundry 19:56:47 If I want to bring dead norns back to life, I should probably work on that rather than reading a book (note: norns are virtual creatures, not real. So there, I'm not tricking anyone) 19:57:37 yes 19:57:55 what if it's a book about how to bring dead norns back to life 19:58:45 A book on reverse engineering would probably help... or ... some way of understanding undocumented binary data files 19:59:22 My current plans are to try to get a copy of a norn, alive, and then kill it, and compare with some sort of hex editor comparison thing 19:59:29 I know that program exists, I've used it before 19:59:31 Years ago 20:00:17 what if dead norns are free()d. tragic imo 20:02:52 Not looking in memory, but to export 20:03:14 Which saves norns on disk. Don't think it's possible with the normal UI to export a dead norn, but a bit of CAOS should do the trick 20:03:36 Although it might not, and even if it does, what if a bunch of critical data is deleted... 20:08:49 looks like a lot of rain coming 20:09:02 in the particular region of the world I am living in 20:09:05 currently 20:13:45 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 20:24:54 kmc: it depends on how much you care hth 20:24:59 ? 20:25:30 https 20:25:43 Sgeo: you do laundry when you need your clothes cleaned, hth 20:25:56 You could probably make some difference sometimes but probably the people you talk to won't care on average. 20:26:06 what are you talking about 20:26:12 shachaf....................... 20:26:28 he seems to be talking about that https thing you mentioned ages ago 20:26:30 oh HTTPS login forms? 20:26:31 ah 20:26:44 What about https login forms? 20:27:04 14:42 <+kmc> shachaf: should I pester sites that submit login credentials over HTTPS but serve the login form over plain HTTP? 20:27:49 Ah 20:28:10 l/last pester 20:28:13 oops 20:28:16 kmc: that was at 19:42 hth 20:29:03 *20:42 20:29:13 kmc: Yes. 20:31:18 EV certificates are fun 20:32:21 Why not have registrars be the ones to sign certificates? 20:33:16 Seems to make sense, it's the registrar who you buy foo.com from, the registrar should be the one to prove you bought foo.com 20:33:34 Don't know how that would work with independently operated subdomains though 20:33:46 I guess it is OK for low security sites to say that active attacks are outside the threat model 20:33:55 but I think people underestimate how easy active attacks are 20:34:03 or really any attack where they haven't seen it done 20:34:56 I bet you can find a lot of interesting stuff by sitting in cafés in SF and running an open wifi access point 20:36:58 I don't really know how to run an active attack, perhaps it would be useful to learn a bit more about that stuff 20:42:23 too fucking hot here (Boston) 20:42:57 move to sf hth 20:42:58 going to hit 97°F / 36°C tomorrow 20:42:59 come on 20:43:04 shachaf: working on it 20:43:11 my cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuube arrives tomorrow 20:43:37 what's a cube 20:43:38 what's cu+be 20:43:42 HI FUCK YOU BIKE??? :( 20:43:48 <3 20:43:50 helliott 20:43:58 helliott, b/c i'm from hell 20:44:26 moving cube 20:44:33 Someone should warn elliott about the perils of being so rude. 20:44:43 they park a big box in my driveway, I fill it with all my stuff, then they pick it up and haul it to SF 20:44:51 oh one of those cubes 20:45:10 shachaf: what are those perils, exactly? 20:45:48 kmc: nobody knows where the cube came from or who owns it. for years we have moved like this. we dare not watch the cube. we tell ourselves stories about how it must get moved but the truth is we don't want to know. cube 20:45:50 olsner: for example people might not enjoy being around you 20:45:58 you might be kicked out of the channel and/or country 20:46:16 elliott: seems accurate 20:47:34 kmc: the real question is what kind of cube would want to go to san francisco amirite 20:47:39 a cube is convenient if you only have weekends available 20:47:45 tbh my stuff is all still in NY 20:47:51 and I haven't made plans to bring it over here yet 20:48:08 it costs money 20:48:20 a fair amount of my stuff is still in NY even though I left NY three years ago 20:48:24 also costs your soul. the secret bargain of the cube 20:48:29 most notably a queen size bed + mattress 20:48:34 which is probably full of bedbugs by now :'( 20:48:37 it's more of a rectangular prism 20:48:48 that's what people tell themselves yes 20:48:51 oh, Gracenotes is here now 20:48:53 bedbugs die after 3-9months without people around 20:48:58 -!- oerjan has joined. 20:49:02 ...I think 20:49:04 they're being stored in an apt not cold storage 20:49:10 Gracenotes: oh good 20:49:11 i think........ i'm not sure tbh 20:49:13 it just has dead beadbugs then 20:49:15 friend of a friend of a friend has them 20:49:37 maybe they sleep in it to feed the bed bugs 20:49:43 clearly 20:50:10 anyway it will probably cost less to buy a new bed than to ship one across the country 20:50:11 aptly cold 20:51:28 why didn't you simply bring the bed when you moved out of wherever you lived it? 20:51:42 wouldn't fit in the cube 20:51:46 beds aren't really cube-y, see 20:51:58 oh, it only accepts cube-shaped objects? 20:52:07 yes. there are Rules, olsner 20:52:29 there are stories of those who put non-cube-shaped objects in the cube but nobody has ever met somebody who has done so 20:52:45 They tried and failed? 20:53:13 hehe 20:53:26 that move was not by cuuuuuuuuuube it was by TRAAAAAAAAAAAAAIN 20:53:33 which is probably full of bedbugs by now :'( 20:53:40 olsner: no the cube ate them, RIP 20:53:45 why... would bedbugs colonise an empty matress 20:53:53 spite 20:53:55 yes 20:53:57 that's a very long game they're playing 20:54:08 i saw a bedbug at mcdonald's once 20:54:41 bad times 20:55:45 alive or dead? I think they're supposed to kill them before making burgers out of them 20:55:49 haha 20:55:54 alive, crawling on the furniture 20:56:05 nice 20:56:09 that sounds like a radiohead lyric but i don't think it is 20:56:49 bedbugs don't transmit HIV or other bloodborne diseases 20:56:55 last i saw, nobody is quite sure why 20:57:01 mosiquitos don't transmit HIV either 20:57:02 v. fortunate 20:57:41 alive and crawling on the furniture describes me looking for the snooze button 20:57:57 haha 20:58:08 there's a difference in dimension between me and a bed bug though 20:58:24 bedbugs are intruders from the seventh dimension 21:02:29 yep 21:02:38 yeah, once I slept on my bed and got bite-looking marks, but I think it was just skin irritation 21:02:46 this was like a week ago 21:02:47 and they are actually about the size of elephants, it's just that only the very tips of their snout-tips protrude into our little 3d subspace 21:03:01 bedbug bites are pretty distinctive 21:03:07 raised itchy red bumps, usually in groups 21:03:29 yeah, these were not really raised in the same way mosquito marks are. er.. probably. 21:03:30 sometimes i find little beatles in my bed but they aren't bedbugs 21:03:43 they're probably just foraging for delicious dead skin flakes 21:03:46 do they play music 21:03:48 no 21:03:55 do they have a beat at least 21:03:56 -!- sprocklem has joined. 21:03:58 no 21:04:05 wow tell them to rename themselves 21:04:13 yes 21:04:16 i have misspelled a word :( 21:04:26 I'm a bit more discriminatory about the dead skin flakes I eat 21:04:34 than a beetle 21:04:42 kmc: it's on your permanent record hth 21:04:43 I have a finer palate imo 21:05:11 Gracenotes also plays the piano "unlike kmc's bedbeatles" 21:05:19 yeah, I play the piano 21:05:22 I have a beat 21:05:37 in summary I am a lot better than a beetle/beatle 21:06:21 Why does Facebook have mixed content? 21:07:52 aare you a white nationalist 21:08:26 lool 21:12:01 the fuck 21:12:04 should i sgeo... 21:12:28 As in, http content is displayed despite using https 21:12:40 That should have been obvious as to being what I meant 21:12:56 completely, yes 21:13:40 i wasn't listening 21:15:41 `? mad 21:15:43 ​"But I don't want to go among mad people," Alice remarked. "Oh, you can't help that," said the Cat: "we're all mad here. I'm mad. You're mad." "How do you know I'm mad?" said Alice. "You must be," said the Cat, "or you wouldn't have come here." 21:19:44 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 21:28:37 -!- oerjan has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:29:01 -!- katla has quit (Quit: katla has no reason). 21:33:59 -!- katla has joined. 21:35:49 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:38:40 Tomorrow afternoon, I start doing all the things I have meant to do for a while 21:38:47 1) Learn Agda 21:38:56 2) Write tutorial for the tables library 21:39:11 ... 21:39:15 I can't think of any more 21:39:16 what's it like, performing actions 21:39:16 Wait 21:39:22 3) think of more things to do 21:39:32 4) Spraypaint these toy guns gold 21:40:01 what's (4) for 21:40:12 now you're talking 21:40:19 kmc, Homestuck cosplay, I am afraid 21:40:35 do they have orange tips and are you spraypainting those too 21:40:48 I am not sure what the relevant law is in this country 21:41:04 maybe find out 21:41:08 I believe because they are obviously not real guns and I am not going to be using them in a threatening manner I should be safef 21:41:13 before you get shot by the po-lice 21:41:17 obviously, he says 21:41:30 Taneb: is that based on a specific reading of the law or on 'common sense' 21:41:49 because, the law does not follow 'common sense' 21:42:35 kmc, a specific reading of a website once 21:42:44 very reliable 21:43:07 ok 21:43:45 anyway Happy Don't Get Shot By The Police While Cosplaying Homestuck Day 21:43:58 the best day 21:44:02 Thank you 21:45:28 5) organize picnic 21:46:06 6) fix new graphics card driver problems, unrelated to the Chinese Graphics Card problem 21:47:34 7) identify monads which do not have an applicative instance, or applicatives which do not have a functor instance, or monads which don't have a functor instance on Hackage, and fix them 21:48:19 why would you follow that nice long list with something useful like 7 21:48:36 olsner, for what it's worth, I've already started 7 21:48:46 oh my 21:49:00 8) figure out a kind of beer I like other than Budweiser 21:49:26 9) attend picnic that I have organized 21:50:00 do you mean the american Budweiser? 21:50:28 I mean the Budweiser that I can and have bought in the UK 21:51:22 sounds like both the US and the German beer can be purchased in the UK: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser 21:51:33 Hmm 21:51:40 Looking at the logos I suspect it is the US one 21:51:41 er German / Czech 21:52:55 that is such a boring beer 21:53:11 I am not a very good beer drinker 21:53:28 Most beers I can only drink a pint and a half before I sort of slow right down with the drinking 21:53:43 US Budweiser I can keep going past three pints 21:54:37 ok 21:55:01 I prefer wine, but wine goes straight to my head and then I fall over 21:55:14 Do not like the taste of stronger alcohol at all 21:55:46 Or cider, for that matter, but that is because I don't really like the taste of apple juice 21:56:13 10) find the charger for my phone 21:57:01 11) figure out what one is actually supposed to do when in a relationship 21:57:45 12) learn how to use one or more of pipes/conduit etc 21:58:05 13) fix that C program I wrote ages ago that never actually worked but should interpret SK calculus 21:59:28 14) watch Supernatural 21:59:42 I think that should do for now 22:00:22 i've never drinken beer 22:00:24 * elliott baby irl 22:00:39 isn't beer carbonated 22:00:57 by which i mean has those carbon dioxide bubbles i don't care how they got in there!! 22:01:07 in that sense, yes it can be 22:01:08 elliott, isn't it your 18th in about two months? 22:01:28 yes 22:01:53 I don't recommend beer except for social reasons, it isn't actually that nice 22:02:16 Taneb: which drugz would you recommend 22:02:23 "for social reasons" == to get drunk? 22:02:38 to get drunk /in society/ see 22:03:09 olsner, Bike knows what's what 22:03:21 i think beer is tasty 22:03:22 shachaf, paracetamol is good for headaches! 22:03:30 it comes in a lot of different kinds 22:03:34 But I here ibuprofen is good too 22:03:37 *hear 22:03:39 paracetamol is pretty dangerous 22:04:05 i might be interested in beer except for the drunkenness part 22:04:09 kmc, my house is full of paracetamol 22:04:11 elliott, try shandy 22:04:21 well it's not like you just have a beer and instantly start dancing on tables. 22:04:31 Bike: i think you'll find that is exactly how it works 22:04:38 :o!!! 22:04:49 Bike, I dance on tables before beer 22:04:53 Am I doing something wrong? 22:04:54 Well yeah, me too. 22:04:56 I'm just saying. 22:05:01 I almost never dance on tables 22:05:03 Stupid scrabble doesn't accept 'init', fuck you scrabble 22:05:18 it's spelled innit, innit 22:05:24 Bike: uh, you can accept whatever words you like, hth 22:05:30 > init "init" 22:05:31 "ini" 22:06:51 i've read that a lot of the effects of alcohol intoxication turn out to be culture-bound 22:07:01 -!- katla has quit (Quit: BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.). 22:07:32 some university here secretly replaced all the beer with alcohol free beer, everyone got pretendshitfaced anyway 22:07:41 yep 22:07:49 psychology: the troll science 22:07:52 yep 22:07:59 free beer as in free lunch, not as in alcohol free beer 22:08:03 it provides a social context where it's somewhat more ok to make a fool of yourself 22:08:08 and people take advantage of that 22:08:17 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Alcohol_use_disorders_world_map_-_DALY_-_WHO2004.svg wow 22:08:20 alcohol: the #esoteric of life 22:08:29 wait maybe that's just me 22:08:49 #esoteric: the alcohol of death 22:08:59 uhhhh what's that country above ukraine 22:09:03 blanking here 22:09:07 belarus? 22:09:09 where the hell is ukraine? 22:09:25 what about belarus 22:09:26 oh yeah belarus. 22:09:27 hmm, russia? 22:09:30 olsner: south of belarus 22:10:03 I have a friend in Minsk, who has a friend in Pinsk, whose friend in Omsk has friend in Tomsk with friend in Akmolinsk 22:10:04 -!- oerjan has joined. 22:10:41 hi oerjan we missed you 22:10:58 hmm, did serbia and montenegro use to be one country called "Serbia and Montenegro"? 22:11:09 yeah. 22:11:14 the small bright red country next to ukraine is hungary I guess 22:11:30 so speaking of drugz 22:11:32 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKqV_ybCS-I this is great 22:11:35 everyone should see it 22:11:53 i like how "so speaking of drugz" works as a transition regardless of whether drugz were in fact being spoken of previously 22:11:59 it was tho 22:12:04 i'm good at segue 22:12:14 yeah but the conversation had kind of moved on from drugz 22:12:17 but the impact was still there 22:12:22 like hell that's gonna stop me 22:12:35 wait i saw this video like ten years ago 22:12:42 -!- oklopol has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 22:13:00 -!- oklopol has joined. 22:13:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:HarmCausedByDrugsTable.svg 22:13:53 elliott: was it good then too 22:14:10 looks like meth has a pretty good ratio between self-harm and other-harm 22:14:17 With four NAND gates (a single IC, if you aren't counting the PRG ROM, PRG RAM, and CHR ROM/RAM), you can add 8K PRG RAM (with the added ability to write to two variables at once if wanted), an extra 32K PRG ROM bank (which cannot be accessed during rendering, therefore you might store level data which is loaded into RAM), and increase the number of possible tiles from 256 to 320. 22:15:05 `addquote the trouble with sushi is that it's often made of dead fish 22:15:09 1060) the trouble with sushi is that it's often made of dead fish 22:16:16 i would also recommend kyle for more 'drugz videos' 22:17:13 Isn't sushi rice and vinegar 22:17:57 Bike: when you move to sf kmc can be your dealer too 22:17:57 Shouldn't I be in bed 22:17:58 yeah, sushi refers to the rice 22:18:44 i had a dream where my computer was stolen 22:18:47 and i had no backups 22:18:48 and i was sad 22:18:54 (hint i actually do have no backups) 22:19:27 no-one has backups 22:20:11 I also don't have backups :( 22:20:41 elliott: yes well my files are more important than your files so it's a bigger deal 22:20:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a5gh77AD9ZU 22:20:51 also i have $50 of unused tarsnap credit 22:21:04 and about 0.5MB of files that i would really be sad if i lost 22:21:04 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:21:08 so :'( 22:21:19 is tarsnap a sex thing 22:21:33 Bike: what isn't 22:22:19 what are the 0.5 mbs of files 22:22:59 drugz 22:23:34 cyberdrugz 22:24:13 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdwchohlMjI i'm just going to watch kyle all day now 22:24:21 i have backups but not off-site 22:24:25 also they're all horribly organized 22:24:42 drugzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz 22:24:49 kmc: are you going to put your backups in your cube 22:24:59 it's all like backup-20130126/backup2/home/keegan/backup/backup-20120708/home/keegan/backup/backup-20110916/ 22:25:04 nice 22:25:17 i just dump my home folder everywhere 22:25:21 except also that in tarballs so it's hard to search 22:25:33 kmc: are they all like, on the same disk... 22:25:36 i'm kind of surprised there isn't a more standard solution for making a tarball with random access 22:25:39 elliott: yes 22:25:48 kmc: :') 22:25:48 recursive backups 22:25:50 kmc: but like 22:25:55 kmc: on the disk that you're actually backing up from 22:25:56 elliott: after enough nesting your backups go to a parallel dimension 22:26:01 no 22:26:03 ok good 22:26:15 the whole pile is synced to several drives 22:26:29 i for one keep all my horse porn on RAID 22:26:49 i don't think i have any horse porn 22:27:00 want me to hook you up 22:27:05 no thank you 22:27:21 kmc: should i become a member of "hackerdojo"............................ 22:27:24 you don't think, but you're not sure 22:27:33 shachaf: stupid name, might be cool tho? 22:27:39 finally i can learn to be a ninja 22:28:21 is it full of startup douchebags 22:28:44 not sure 22:28:52 teaching martial arts to startup douchebags might be lucrative 22:28:53 and is that better or worse than noisebridge's complement of white supremicists and homeless crackheads 22:29:02 charge them approximately a billion per session 22:30:06 Bike: you should help them invent their own new 'disruptive' form of martial arts 22:30:14 it's much better because it's designed by programmers and YC alumni 22:30:23 then film them as they hurt themselves in hilarious ways 22:30:49 shachaf: also you should get a job and move to the city 22:30:54 hell yes. 22:31:03 kmc: what job/city 22:31:10 good job / good city 22:31:16 san fran cisco 22:31:40 maybe boxing 22:31:49 boxers are damn good 22:31:54 kmc: good city 22:32:14 what job 22:33:49 kmc: should i get a job and move to the city 22:34:01 elliott: yes 22:34:30 are there any cities in england 22:34:37 i know scotland has some 22:34:45 you could move to scotland 22:34:46 i assumed the city is SF 22:34:50 oh 22:34:53 I think they call them towns in england 22:34:54 that works too 22:34:56 maybe i'll move to scotland if they declare independence 22:34:56 Mega City Two 22:39:09 -!- Koen_ has joined. 22:39:48 the City of London 22:41:49 i could never live in london i think 22:43:09 y not 22:43:18 well have you seen london 22:43:27 only in period dramas. 22:47:57 the City is the tiny financial district right? 22:48:03 those are usually not a great place to actually live 22:48:28 well i meant london in general 22:48:33 but yeah the city is like.. a mile or something 22:51:34 Fiora: you might be interested in http://www.pvk.ca/Blog/2013/06/23/bitsets-match-regular-expressions/ 22:51:44 also it relates to that approximate matching "agrep" stuff y'all were talking about 22:54:58 -!- mnoqy has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 22:55:19 -!- mnoqy has joined. 22:56:55 bike was throwing that at me the other day actually O_O it was really tricky to understand 22:57:14 wow that's a long post, okay, I'll try to understand it again 22:58:12 it has annotated assembly, just as god intended 22:58:41 well, anyway, the NSA is no longer a threat http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/06/us_offensive_cy.html#c1538650 22:59:12 NSA would have their work cut out for them trying to logic bomb a hardened gentoo or even fedora workstation running grsec and selinux policy, surrounded by a locked down openbsd network firewall and router. 22:59:51 *smokes a joint rolled from pages of Neuromancer* 23:00:20 kmc: whoa this looks cool 23:00:45 agrep is pretty cool 23:01:07 when he tweeted that thing i was inspired enough to write a shitty implementation of bitap on fixed strings with no errors 23:01:54 and then fail to explain it to fiora or anybody 23:01:56 and so here we are. 23:02:59 Which is more generally loathed, Cold Fusion or PHP? 23:03:15 that is a very sad question 23:03:19 i order you to cease considering it 23:03:32 look at bitap instead 23:09:14 ohhhhhhhh. the state machine thing makes so much more sense 23:09:32 so basically you check all letters of the input for "A" in the case of "ABAD" 23:09:45 then you AND with "is each letter B", shifted by 1 23:09:52 then you and with "is each letter A", shifted by 1 23:09:55 that is so cool 23:10:00 er, shifted by 2 23:11:43 told you. 23:12:01 god i'm stuck on these comments though 23:12:08 "So the US military develops a set of weapons which are almost useless against both it's official enemies ( a bunch of terrorists living in medieval conditions in Afghanistan) and it's unofficial enemies (China) - but which it is itself uniquely vulnerable to. Isn't this a little like Superman developing a kryptonite bomb?" 23:12:24 hehe 23:12:58 Actually I find OBSD to be far less complex and easier to master than windows or apple products. 23:13:12 obviously a typical mind 23:14:00 pkhuong's code just defines the intrinsics right there. man 23:14:01 told me...? 23:14:17 I didn't read the whole graph manipulation section, that seems a little scary 23:14:34 told you it was so cool. 23:22:39 Bike, which weapons are these specifically 23:23:00 cyberweapons 23:23:15 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 23:25:45 wh... how are the chinese not vulnerable to cyberwarfare 23:27:46 i have no idea. the article that's a comment on is about US cyberwarfare against china. 23:27:51 it's possible, just slightly, that the comment is dumb 23:28:10 probably the commenter thinks that china is so much better at cyberwarfare than the US 23:28:13 which is maybe true 23:28:31 but infosec is so absurdly biased towards attackers right now that third-rate attacks can go through first-rate defense 23:28:58 * Bike imagines cyberwarfare WWI, shudders 23:29:14 * kmc emails Bike a ZIP file of chlorine gas 23:29:22 oh nooooo 23:30:27 your antivirus won't help you 23:30:49 @messages 23:30:51 this summer.... 23:34:50 http://blog.talkingphilosophy.com/?p=6344 old timey flamewars are so great 23:37:28 @tell Taneb functor is a superclass of applicative already so you don't need to check functor hth 23:37:28 Consider it noted. 23:39:00 @tell taneb might want to check for alternative vs. monadplus, though. 23:39:00 Consider it noted. 23:51:41 Bike: good 23:54:58 -!- katla has joined. 23:55:36 hi 23:57:15 hi 23:57:21 `relcome katla 23:57:24 ​katla: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 23:57:30 hi 23:57:40 im depressed 23:57:53 katla, did the rainbow welcome cheer you up 23:58:01 yeah