00:02:44 -!- oerjan has set topic: The channel for "scare quoted" people | where even "hi" is a p. complicated in-joke | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D. 00:05:32 oerjan: i'm still learning 00:05:55 good, good 00:06:11 hi o'erjan 00:06:29 do you guys ever talk about anything interesting 00:06:45 no 00:07:03 I try sometimes but I'm not very good at starting conversations 00:07:09 and they don't seem to be interested in a lot of the stuff I am so 00:07:43 which stuff 00:08:09 katla: what do you find interesting? you could try to start a conversation on one of those topics 00:08:11 and now i reached the scene with the french guy ranting about how the french lost all their wars 00:08:18 to me a lot of the conversations in here are interesting 00:08:26 im not really interested in stuff :/ 00:08:27 times never change :') 00:08:32 even the ones that aren't me talking to myself 00:08:46 katla, what about compactness `q. interesting imo' 00:08:58 apocalypse now mentions france, huh 00:09:11 ho can we talk about compactness though 00:09:21 there's nothing to say 00:09:34 in the 'redux' editions they run into some french colonists who are still around for some reason 00:09:54 yeah 00:09:58 * shachaf likes the kmc talking to himself conversations 00:10:06 also the kmc talking to other people conversations 00:10:16 i think it's an extension of the 'going backwards through vietnamese history' thing 00:10:49 shachaf: Um... I like astrophysics and computer architecture and strategy games and JRPGs and otome games and plushies and mahou shoujo and some other things and there doesn't seem to be that much overlap there 00:11:31 Phantom___Hoover: ending with jungle warlords? 00:11:45 i guess (i haven't reached that far yet) 00:11:50 i wanted to make bacteria plushies (bacteria are cute) 00:12:01 shachaf: you can buy those! I actually have two 00:12:14 Fiora: do they use the motto "gotta catch them all" 00:12:16 imo they should do that 00:12:18 http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/6708/ 00:12:26 uh clearly, a manga where magical girls learn astrophysics and computer architecture 00:12:28 a friend sent me the mono virus 00:12:38 how romantic 00:12:38 probably so he could say "I gave fiora kissing disease" 00:13:02 (he is a terrible^Wwonderful flirt) 00:13:14 Fiora: ok so those exist but maybe they didn't exist back when i thought about it 00:13:29 what, no blood tube 00:13:45 An otome game (乙女ゲーム otome gēmu?, lit. "maiden game") is a video game that is targeted towards a female market, where one of the main goals, besides the plot goal, is to develop a romantic relationship between the female player character and one of several male, or occasionally female characters. 00:14:01 is "visual novel" a better general term <.< 00:14:19 Fiora, so are you a fan of mass effect 00:14:36 garrus isn't very bishie. imo. 00:15:13 can you read japanese? 00:15:21 Bike, how do you know 00:15:29 hey i can money through gmail now 00:15:36 send 00:15:43 it's like harry potter except they are all learning computer architecture 00:16:08 uh clearly, a manga where magical girls learn astrophysics and computer architecture <-- id read this 00:16:14 i'd also read it. 00:16:18 me too 00:16:20 "just putting that out there" 00:16:25 i wouldn't 00:16:43 "bad taste in manga" 00:16:57 -!- sacje has joined. 00:17:01 yeah sorry phantom, objectively bad taste there. 00:17:06 I played mass effect 1 and 2 but I lost a bit of interest towards the end, I should play 3 sometime though 00:17:12 but I was like "aghghghg I have to download origin", and so I never did 00:17:19 garrus was pretty wonderful though 00:17:28 unfortunately my favorite character had no romance route, buuut 00:17:36 are you often like "aghghghg"? 00:17:39 it was the opera guy wasn't it 00:17:44 wasn't it 00:17:57 you mean http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uXiU6kiq_Ms ? 00:18:11 ayep. 00:18:21 Mordin was so completely amazing 00:18:28 bless you, mordin 00:18:29 blordin 00:18:50 that musta been a fun acting job. 00:19:11 katla: I -wish- I could. but the amount of japanese I know could fit on half a page 00:19:36 I for one am often like "aghghghg" 00:19:55 me too 00:20:07 "I should play 3 sometime though" probably don't play it after... sanctuary? 00:20:22 some would say you should stop after tuchanka 00:20:42 ? 00:21:00 you know, the infamous ending/macroplot clusterfuck 00:21:05 I guess I kind of like bioware's older games better... I hope dragon age 3 is okay at least 00:21:38 and in fairness they have some really wonderful writers so... 00:21:40 Fiora hm why dont you write that all out then fill the rest of the page with new words and learn it all 00:21:53 well there's like. a lot of it 00:21:59 because learning a language like that takes years of practice and dedication and is really difficult 00:22:34 from what i understand, the talent pool at bioware has become incredibly diluted 00:23:18 since they're now split across what, two or three different studios now? and they have a bunch more staff, and they're now locked into EA's AAA release cycle 00:23:24 yeah >_< 00:24:01 is armikrog going to make it y/n 00:24:13 n 00:24:25 http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog/ 00:24:27 Pessimist__Hoover 00:24:28 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?"). 00:24:54 ion: oh no :'( 00:26:05 Note that extrapolating from the last two or three data points seems enough for it to make it. So if the latest trend continues… 00:26:33 man, that is pretty infuriating 00:26:40 http://www.kicktraq.com/projects/1949537745/armikrog/#chart-daily 00:27:30 Inquiry: I might be getting hired by Google. Yes or very yes on not finishing college? 00:27:54 pikhq_: as in, dropping out and going to google? 00:28:04 coppro: Si 00:28:14 $i 00:28:20 pikhq_: if they're willing to actually have you do it, very yes, unless you're working on chrome (imo) 00:28:26 $√−1 00:28:34 but if you're actually going to go full-time, internal mobility is high, so whatever 00:28:34 So far made it past the initial phone screen. 00:28:46 With them knowing that that's where I'm at. 00:29:33 Noting also that I've been at least considering dropping out *as is*. 00:29:57 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Weird numpad bug). 00:30:30 pikhq_: count the number of times you hear "cool" in your interview. if more than 7 stay in school. 00:31:20 kgoret: Google backend stuff. 00:32:05 From a recruiter contacting me... 00:32:57 -!- augur has joined. 00:33:15 did you get a job offer or just a recruiter email? 00:33:27 Recruiter email & initial interview. 00:35:21 I don't think that's any sort of guarantee you'll get a job at all... recruiters send out a whole bunch of emails, I don't think they have any influence on the interview process and whether or not you get a job 00:35:55 It's not, I'm just hopeful. And gonna see where this leads. 00:36:35 Also I'm getting kinda sick of going through college this fucking slowly. 00:37:39 At the rate I'm going I'll be bald when I get my diploma. 00:38:28 a brilliant artist must be bald and daring 00:40:24 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:41:53 coppro: why is chrome so bad, compared to google's 90000 other projects 00:41:59 I think chrome is at least a lot more interesting 00:42:11 -!- Bike has joined. 00:42:29 I think Google usually doesn't tell you what specific project you'd work on, until they give you an offer 00:42:32 not sure 00:42:49 kgoret: no it's all about "awesome" now 00:43:02 They tell you the general area they'll be hiring in. 00:43:06 ok 00:43:30 you should think hard on whether you want to commit to being at Google a few years 00:43:34 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:43:42 because absent a diploma, you'd be using that experience to sell future employers 00:43:56 do you know which office you'd be in? 00:44:01 Mountain View. 00:44:22 cool 00:44:30 the cool office 00:44:33 not as cool as SF, but I hear it's really hard to get a spot there 00:44:52 it exists so that Google can acqui-hire SF startups who won't sell unless they can stay in the city ;P 00:44:53 That *is* the Googleplex. 00:44:59 I hear SF isn't so much of an engineering office or something. 00:45:08 well, I know some people doing engineering there 00:45:19 pikhq_: Have you been applying to lots of jobs or is this just Google contacting you out of the blue 00:45:33 kmc: I just don't like working on chrome 00:45:35 kmc: Out of the blue. 00:45:47 pikhq_: score 00:46:03 pikhq_: do you think you have the patience & energy to do a bit of a job search to see if you can do better than Google (wrt whatever your own goals are) 00:46:13 pikhq_: I highly recommend infrastructure teams if you can get there 00:46:22 coppro: That's what I'm being recruited for. 00:46:33 pikhq_: score! 00:46:46 I have some regrets over not doing "job searches" in the past and mostly taking the first job that came along 00:46:48 google infrastructure is like a playground 00:47:05 kmc: no, I'm pretty sure there's few jobs in the world better than a Google infrastructure engineer 00:47:12 kmc: Yeah, I'll probably be poking around some more. I'll just say this particular one is damned tempting. 00:47:56 coppro: you're making some assumptions about what pikhq_ wants there 00:48:11 it's pretty arrogant of you 00:48:19 big companies have a lot of disadvantages too 00:48:43 I'll possibly also see if my current internship can be made more... permanent. 00:49:19 and Google corporate culture is not to everyone's liking 00:49:22 no culture is 00:49:23 kmc: everyone thinks exactly like me 00:49:27 clearly 00:49:28 including elliott in particular 00:51:52 The fact that trans-related health care things are part of the benefits makes it somewhat more tempting, considering my girlfriend... 00:52:06 yeah that's very nice 00:52:23 I remember reading google and microsoft were basically the two best in that category, so that's probably a good reason 00:52:40 That really shouldn't be the sole basis on which I decide, but it definitely is something in their favor. 00:52:42 from wording I assume you aren't married so, does Google cover non-married domestic partner whatever health care? 00:52:54 some companies do 00:53:12 Yes. 00:53:12 mozilla will 00:53:12 nice 00:53:13 Also, it'd be literally impossible for us to marry as-is. 00:53:16 sure 00:53:22 Fucking gay marriage laws. 00:54:05 pikhq_: well, hopefully that law won't be very soon 00:54:11 Yeah. 00:54:39 If we're lucky, it'll be moot in a day. 00:54:55 oooh, yeah, is the DOMA decision coming out tomorrow? 00:54:59 Yes. 00:55:07 oh geez, I really really hope there's sanity >_< 00:55:24 I know people literally waiting on that to be able to be together (green cards, etc) 00:55:24 DOMA decision? 00:55:25 well uh you did hear bout their ruling today, didn't you. 00:55:28 "not much hope for that" 00:55:35 Phantom___Hoover: defense of marriage act 00:55:48 I'd be stunned if they uphold prop. 8. 00:56:09 DOMA is the problematic one though, because it kind of doesn't matter if the state endorses a marriage if the federal government won't :/ 00:56:12 for sanity, i meant. not being too serious 00:56:31 Yeah. I'm just saying that prop. 8 is nearly impossible to uphold because of the details of the case. 00:56:48 The defense of prop. 8 was basically "gay people are icky!" 00:57:04 Fiora: is that really true 00:57:10 kmc: you can't get a green card 00:57:17 you can't file taxes with the IRS, I think, as a couple 00:57:22 Yup. 00:57:40 Though Google will pay you the difference. :P 00:57:59 but for example child custody, health care decisions, etc. would be mostly state issues, no? 00:58:04 I know a couple who's basically waiting on it, though they can cheat because one of them could probably legitimately get papers saying she was either male or female depending on what the government insisted on 00:58:09 Yes, those are entirely state issues. 00:58:23 so yes it's not a full victory but I think saying it "doesn't matter" is wrong 00:58:27 Yeah. 00:58:37 yeah... I guess it matters in some ways? but like it's missing a lot of important parts 00:58:41 also the more legally gay-married people exist, the more pressure there will be to repeal / strike down DOMA 00:59:03 "hi we're married and fuck this thing" 00:59:04 *Most* of the things dealing with marriage are state law issues actually. 00:59:06 I generally get pissed off when people say "X is useless!" to mean "X isn't perfect", it happens a lot in discussions of computer security and things like that 00:59:13 it's ok kmc 00:59:15 yeah, that's not what I meant >_< more like, it loses a lot of it 00:59:16 there there 00:59:16 sorry 00:59:19 ok 00:59:23 I should have phrased it better 00:59:30 Green card, IRS, and federal employment benefits are, like, it 00:59:42 pikhq_: you should come visit canada, get hitched, and leave 01:00:04 Sneaky. 01:00:05 "You managed to upload an image so large that Danbooru 2's thumbnailing job gets whacked by the OOM killer" in other news 01:00:15 well done 01:00:59 Bike: was it a specially-crafted compressed image or something 01:01:00 the whole bypassing-the-problem-by-being-trans thing is interesting though 01:01:06 like I know a couple of two gay men who have been married for like, 15 years 01:01:12 which I think is longer than any state has allowed gay marriage 01:01:26 shachaf: apparently unintentional! 01:01:35 how much of a compression ratio can you get 01:01:49 oh, it's animated. 01:02:16 -!- sprocklem has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:02:18 13 MB. 01:02:19 I know a couple that got divorced after one of them transitioned. That was interesting. 01:02:20 though it's maybe not as totally ridiculous as the thing that some lesbians apparently did back in the 70s, where one was younger than 18 and one was older, and they'd have the older one adopt the younger one to get legal/tax benefits @_@ 01:02:30 uh. 01:02:30 Poor guy, getting asked if he was the wife. 01:03:15 (note that the legal status is that the legal gender status *at the time* is what matters. If it was heterosexual and is now gay that's just fine!) 01:03:34 yeah, it's kind of an odd legal loophole 01:03:44 you're a peach, US legal system. an incomprehensible peach 01:06:34 I wonder what happens if you have a gay marriage in a state and then it becomes straight? 01:07:33 I... that... I have no idea 01:07:41 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 01:07:47 *There's* a confusing edge case for ya. 01:07:57 iowa just implodes 01:08:01 the laws clearly need to be refactored or something 01:08:06 so that gender is no longer assumed to be const 01:08:20 Or from the set {Male, Female} 01:08:46 does gender need to be mentioned 01:08:52 Not generally. 01:09:12 I... guess it matters for people who are exclusively andro- or gynophilic? 01:09:13 http://qntm.org/gay bla bla 01:10:01 pan is the best orientation 01:10:19 Yuh. 01:10:26 Or none at all, I suppose. 01:11:37 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Ping timeout: 268 seconds). 01:11:55 gender: basically a roman surface 01:11:58 ??? 01:12:07 which one's the roman surface 01:12:18 's non-orientable and looks dumb 01:12:27 Bike: I am glaring at that author for thinking "asexual" is a sex 01:12:30 <.<;; 01:12:32 quantum gay 01:12:37 a quantum of gay 01:12:40 -!- tertu has joined. 01:13:36 Fiora: presumably as in "lacks sexual organs" 01:13:49 \rainbow{biology} 01:14:36 i don't think i remember the usual term 01:14:53 wikipedia doesn't have "list of sexes". imo, rage 01:15:21 * Fiora pulls up "sex is a social construction to justify gender" infographicdiagram, etc, etc 01:16:04 yeah i know the problems with "lacks sexual organs" as a meaningful designation too 01:16:11 peoplescience is hard 01:16:21 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 01:16:26 Fiora: I am pretty sure he thought "asexual" was just a natural construction for "devoid of (biological) sex". 01:16:39 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphous_perversity my god. 01:16:39 what actually isn't a social construct 01:16:46 pants 01:16:52 the only Real objects 01:17:05 pikhq_: yeah, I know, I'm not being toooo serious 01:17:18 i think i should pick up a psychoanalysis textbook sometime just for the humor value 01:18:14 * Bike looks up Category:Sexual_orientation, runs into "autovampirism" 01:18:33 sucking the oil from cars 01:18:34 in b4 category theory joke 01:18:36 And obviously he has the weird gender-sex conflation in place. 01:19:12 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Fictional_asexuals i think this category needs some work 01:19:31 * Fiora looks, doesn't see sherlock holmes 01:19:50 see, exactly. 01:19:51 because he was gay for watson, duh 01:20:01 or that chick in the spacecoyote comic. 01:20:03 the problem is it's usually not explicit in canon >_< 01:20:10 * Bike ends mental list of fictional asexuals 01:20:29 like sophie is sort of fan-assumed to be aromantic but.... 01:21:15 pilot! 01:21:47 this reminds me that i should take a botany class because i have very little idea of how plants fuck and it seems fascinating 01:22:07 the guy i voted for for senate won 01:22:15 from twelve? 01:22:15 that means i win too right 01:22:21 no 01:22:30 if twelve wins we all win 01:22:34 imo no 01:22:38 -!- Phantom___Hoover has left ("Leaving"). 01:23:20 "(biology) Having no distinct sex, having no sexual organs." aha there we go 01:23:28 now i just need to figure out a less ambiguous term 01:23:33 kmc: it means you have superpowers 01:23:39 kmc: vote for me next time hth 01:23:40 this is CLEARLY not a doomed effort because sex is unambiguous 01:24:32 Even friggin' biological notions of sex are complicated. 01:24:44 neuter....? though that's the name of a gender too :/ 01:24:50 "A statuette of Aphroditus in the anasyromenos pose. The ancient Greeks and Romans believed the pose had apotropaic magical power." this is going well. 01:25:02 Bike: http://pbfcomics.com/146/ 01:25:15 yeah but like 01:25:22 hermaphroditic plants?? what's the deal 01:25:27 i don't know the deal. 01:25:41 actually I kind of wonder like... why did animals ever stop being hermaphrodites 01:25:50 imo read about sexual reproduction in fungi 01:26:03 like, isn't it more efficient to have two animals mate, and then they can *both* carry children, and stuff 01:26:07 Fiora: that's one of the more old and controversial questions in evolutionary biology. 01:26:08 like snails 01:26:21 right :< 01:26:27 i mean, it's interesting. 01:26:29 hey that's a really good question, why do so many species have two sexes? 01:26:58 I'm guessing it comes from the whole chromosomal thing? I mean like there's only a couple sex chromosome systems, right? 01:27:03 As opposed to more, or as opposed to no differentiation? 01:27:07 Fiora: There's several. 01:27:15 Shit, there's two or three in the mammals. 01:27:22 there's... ZW, XY, X0, and temperature? 01:27:27 there's also sexual differentiation systems not based on chromosomes 01:27:33 Those are the common ones, Fiora. 01:27:33 Fiora: hey, do you want to be on `pbflist!! 01:27:40 temperature for example isn't exclusive of ZW 01:27:41 "On November 3, 2010, scientists announced the discovery of a female Boa constrictor that can produce offspring without mating and, through such asexual reproduction, produced 22 female offspring" O_O 01:27:47 or, may i suggest......`pbflistdeluxe 01:27:53 woah 01:28:06 "The platypus has a ten-chromosome–based system, where the chromosomes form a multivalent chain in male meiosis, segregating into XXXXX-sperm and YYYYY-sperm, with XY-equivalent chromosomes at one end of this chain and the ZW-equivalent chromosomes at the other end." 01:28:09 Fiora: you didn't know about that? we've known about [iforgettheword] for years 01:28:16 also yes platypi are fucking nuts 01:28:21 ZW?? 01:28:21 platypi are crazy 01:28:29 ZW is used by birds 01:28:33 and some other animals 01:28:34 katla: sex chromosomes. 01:28:35 And many reptiles. 01:28:43 Ugh, what's the damn word. 01:28:51 For females reproducing w/o insemination 01:28:53 zzo38 should design some biological systems imo 01:28:55 parthenogenesis 01:29:00 yes. thank you. 01:29:03 some reptiles can do it yeah 01:29:15 if you poke a frog egg with a pin it will start to grow into a haploid frog (??) 01:29:27 haha those experiments are the best. 01:29:35 "how can we fuck up frog eggs... oh. oh wow" 01:29:46 Sex determination is best described as "complex". 01:29:56 Too bad the woman who started them died young :( 01:30:15 oh, parthanogenesis, that's the thing 01:30:40 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cnemidophorus_neomexicanus oh woowwww 01:30:42 it's an all-female species 01:30:48 imo, matriarchy 01:30:54 ah yeah that's the lizard i was thinking of. 01:30:59 I think they were on Bill Nye or something. 01:31:12 But yeah. Many species have two distinct sexes simply because sexual reproduction works based off of combination of male and female gametes. 01:32:01 the two mating types of yeast are conventionally known as "a" and "α" 01:32:15 lol. 01:32:28 * pikhq_ blinks 01:32:29 looks like ascomycetes typically have two mating types, while basidiomycetes can have thousands 01:32:31 Oh huh, there's a word specifically for two-sex reproduction, "anisogamy" 01:32:39 There's a protozoan with 7 sexes. 01:32:46 7... sexes....? wow 01:32:58 thousands beats 7 01:33:06 there's also different kinds of anisogamy based on which cells are motile. 01:33:07 woohoo 01:33:14 kmc for president of mushroom sex 01:33:33 It has two separate nuclei. 01:33:49 yeah 01:33:50 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basidiomycete#Smuts 01:33:51 fungi do that too 01:33:54 Smuts 01:33:55 there are basidiomycetes called "smuts" 01:34:09 I I just I can't 01:34:13 when the haploid mycelia meet, if the mating types are compatible, the nuclei spread out and you get cells with one from each 01:34:37 and it's that organism which can produce spores and a fruiting body 01:34:40 Ah, yeah, corn smut. :P 01:34:40 wheeeeeeeeeeeeeee mushrooms 01:34:48 Fiora: what i'm getting out of this is that i should refer to people without sex as "anamorphs" because everybody liked that series 01:34:50 kmc likes his mushrooms XD 01:35:06 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 01:35:18 Bike: I think the only thing I remember about that book series was the cute falcon boy 01:35:25 and there were like, blue horses 01:35:28 with psychic powers 01:35:32 i never read it. 01:35:47 man sometimes i forget how fucking amazing zoology is 01:35:54 Distinguishing characteristic: Accordion-like extensible thorax 01:36:32 Umbrella-like scales at each end 01:36:51 -!- AProperNoun has changed nick to Sgeo. 01:36:52 wow that one's name means "corset bearer" this is a pretty sexy... oh yeah i remember these things now. 01:37:02 I downloaded an obscure NOAA manual just so i could get high res art of them 01:37:16 I enjoyed Animorphs, though I was young. 01:37:20 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pliciloricus_enigmatus.jpg i mean, can you blame me? imo, no. 01:37:26 -!- tertu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:37:31 Fiora: Yeah, the Andalites. Fucking weird blue horse-men. 01:37:44 "hello, i'm an old one" 01:37:52 -!- tertu has joined. 01:38:19 -!- Phantom___Hoover has left ("Leaving"). 01:38:47 "Mouth surrounded by invertible tentacles" is going on my grindr profile, i think 01:38:58 til: bike has a grindr profile 01:39:14 I do not. Should I? 01:39:17 i have six, one for each appendage 01:40:16 What, how are there only six phyla of fungi. 01:40:26 fuck you taxonomists 01:41:13 -!- tertu has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:41:17 is it wrong if I just want to like watch you squee over biology and zoology stuff for hours 01:41:18 Oh, an entire phylum is just for "uh i dunno". 01:41:33 Fiora: it's pretty boring to see. i just sit on the computer flicking through tabs 01:41:41 -!- tertu has joined. 01:42:00 maybe it would be entertaining if i like juggled at the same time. 01:42:06 it's fun watching you from here :< 01:42:12 «The Fungi imperfecti or imperfect fungi, also known as Deuteromycota, are fungi which do not fit into the commonly established taxonomic classifications of fungi that are based on biological species concepts or morphological characteristics of sexual structures because their sexual form of reproduction has never been observed; hence the name "imperfect fungi." » nevermind, this rules 01:42:34 i wanna be one of these when i grow up 01:42:45 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 01:42:48 Fiora: I spend a lot of time doing that. 01:42:54 yeah sometimes they have observed the sexually reproducing phase and the asexual phase but they don't know it's the same species 01:42:58 I date a biologist. :P 01:43:03 costs a lot of money to sequence the genome of every random fungus you find 01:43:23 "For example, the ubiquitous and industrially important mold, Aspergillus niger, has no known sexual cycle." wait. fro real 01:43:27 I think fungi are kind of the neglected kingdom when it comes to research money 01:43:42 that's literally mold. we don't know how mold reproduces??? 01:44:14 kmc: it's kind of funny when we did that with animals (not knowing they're different forms of the same organism) 01:45:23 wtf how is that not known 01:45:34 "In the heyday of the opium trade, chandu opium, which was meant to be smoked, was made by long term fermentation of A. niger and other molds on raw opium." I... 01:46:20 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 01:46:25 katla: well we know they do asexual sporing. 01:47:31 how do you guys all know so much biology btw 01:47:42 reading wikipedia articles constantly 01:47:54 * Fiora doesn't actually know any biology 01:48:34 katla: Read Wikipedia, talk about neat things found from said reading with my girlfriend. 01:48:38 (who is a biologist) 01:48:46 obviously i need to work on the second part. 01:48:50 Clearly. 01:49:25 I also have an amazing ability to shove random trivia in my head. 01:49:26 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:49:49 -!- TeruFSX2 has joined. 01:49:52 My coworkers are a little stunned that I can just talk in-depth about the archictectures of old game consoles. 01:49:59 I guess I absorb some things by talking with bike 01:50:04 or more like listening to him ramble about cool bio things 01:50:16 and I guess he probably absorbs tiny bits of my incomprehensible cpu nonsense or physics 01:50:29 the shotgun slurry approach to learning 01:51:03 Yup, that's me. Try to learn everything by gradually approaching mastery of all subjects simultaneously. 01:52:09 i like how the isogamy article has sections (sexions) on biology and also anthropology 01:52:18 sexions? 01:52:40 i started typing "sex" when writing "sections" because of the conversation. 01:52:42 i'm such a perv man 01:53:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Evolsex-dia2a.svg oh, cool graph. 01:53:20 picture. thing. 01:53:33 bike really is a perv, gosh, he's probably undressing those arthropods with his eyes. gosh, what a creep! 01:53:57 so, fruiting bodies, you come here often? 01:54:16 Mmmm, perversion. 01:54:23 * pikhq_ is a definite pervosexual 01:55:53 -!- tertu has joined. 01:56:10 what does that even mean o_O 01:57:07 stay away from me pikhq!! i have nematocysts and i'm not afraid to use them 01:57:20 http://www.alessonislearned.com/index.php?comic=17 It means I read this. 01:57:41 i still can't believe that updated again. 01:58:10 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 01:58:48 -!- TeruFSX2 has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 02:01:15 -!- tertu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 02:03:21 -!- katla has quit (Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared!). 02:06:30 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 02:10:22 -!- Phantom___Hoover has joined. 02:41:21 -!- sprocklem has joined. 02:41:24 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:41:57 -!- TeruFSX has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:42:10 -!- Phantom___Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:42:20 -!- TeruFSX has joined. 02:50:06 kmc, how's it working for pretty much the only web browser that exists, Mozilla 5.0? 02:51:37 I'm sure there was a better way to make that joke 02:59:04 i'm sure there was a not-incomprehensible way to make that joke 02:59:25 I heard shachaf is like, a total expert on being non-incomprehensible 03:00:27 Fiora: What, you're an intuitionist now? 03:00:33 ???? 03:00:53 "non-incomprehensible" 03:00:57 oh. you're being incomprehensible 03:01:00 I see 03:01:03 I guess kmc was the intuitionist here. 03:01:04 ? 03:01:12 Why do you keep saying I'm incomprehensible? 03:01:36 e-elliott said he felt that way toob ut..... sorry 03:01:44 do you like not see how that conversation works 03:01:55 Bike: ? 03:02:07 "[incomprehensible joke]" "Why do you keep saying I'm incomprehensible?" 03:03:05 Fiora: Intuitionistic logic is logic where "not (not x)" doesn't necessarily imply "x". 03:03:38 You said not-incomprehensible. I thought it was a joke. But it turns out to be kmc's joke. 03:06:48 -!- mnoqy has joined. 03:09:34 it wasn't a joke, it was double negation for emphasis 03:09:53 if i said "i'm sure there was a comprehensible way to make that joke" it wouldn't have made the point as strongly that Sgeo's joke was incomprehensible 03:10:48 true enough 03:11:05 Was trying to make a joke about the ubiquity of Mozilla/5.0 03:11:05 not-not-false enough 03:11:11 Sgeo: in user agents? 03:11:13 yes 03:11:15 ok 03:11:25 Fiora: Am I actually more incomprehensible than other people in here? 03:11:28 well I haven't started working for Mozilla yet 03:12:24 shachaf: I... sorry I guess it kind of feels like that sometime... 03:12:33 elliott told me not to worry because it was normal to get confused... 03:14:42 How do I ask you a question without you feeling accused (or whatever it is)? 03:14:48 shachaf makes a lot of oblique jokes 03:14:59 Anyway, I suspect elliott was joking when he said that, though I can't say for sure. 03:15:14 There are other kind of logic too, other than intuitionistic logic. 03:15:31 like non-intuitionistic logic and non-non-intuitionistic logic 03:15:33 I thought he was trying to ocomfort me... 03:15:36 now I'm confused... 03:16:17 yeah he was. 03:16:19 or explain. 03:16:48 I think something like "don't worry, it's normal to get confused when shachaf says something" is a sort of friendly way of making fun of me... But maybe I'm the one who doesn't comprehend! 03:16:55 There is modal logic, too. 03:21:38 people 03:21:49 can't live with 'em, can't dismantle their bodies for trace amounts of iron to make paperclips 03:22:28 shame imo 03:22:41 differently-shaped-and-sized bags of mostly oxygen? 03:23:00 People are up in arms about Dilbert 03:23:03 mostly oxygen? I guess so, since we're mostly water 03:23:06 The RSS feed no longer displays the comic 03:23:12 * Bike considers referring to cars as "bags of mostly steel" 03:23:16 `addquote People are up in arms about Dilbert 03:23:20 1062) People are up in arms about Dilbert 03:23:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Composition_of_the_human_body 03:23:27 http://pied.nu/banned/the_Dilbert_Hole/ 03:23:32 http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2013-06-25/ 03:23:32 uh nsfw i guess 03:23:33 we're apparentlyabout 65% oxygen by mass? 03:23:39 cool 03:23:46 atomically, i assume? 03:23:56 yeah 03:24:12 also that makes me think of Guess Which Anime, >_> 03:24:14 huh. women have less water/oxygen than men 03:24:25 so THAT'S how you can tell 03:24:37 i have oxydar, man 03:24:50 does this mean that a really thourough SRS involves oxygen supplements too 03:25:01 I... I'd guess it's just the difference in fat % 03:25:10 that makes sense 03:25:14 and probably not anything else really 03:25:29 I,I % 03:25:38 is there a compose combo for that 03:25:55 -!- augur has joined. 03:25:58 oh that's fullwidth % 03:26:00 yes 03:26:00 so p. not 03:26:04 i just switch to japanese mode for fullwidth characters 03:26:13 M-x weeaboo 03:26:27 fullwidth characters are my waifu 03:26:32 ‱ 03:26:35 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 03:26:39 :o 03:26:42 > 0/000 03:26:42 I thought your waifu was like. some strange fungus 03:26:43 NaN 03:26:45 is that a halfwidth thousandth 03:26:45 キガン 03:26:57 メカィステル 03:26:59 help 03:27:03 Fiora: LOVE KNOWS NO NUMBERS! Except if it's the euler-mascheroni constant which is also my waifu 03:27:21 the first one is my name? 03:27:27 and the second iS? 03:27:29 ideally they're both your name 03:27:33 oh i see 03:27:34 or the feigenbaum constants. either/or 03:27:53 Kigan Meka~isuteru 03:28:17 that's p. kawaii 03:28:22 lexande has official arabic and cyrillic and chinese spellings of his name 03:28:28 because various border officials asked for it 03:29:09 Bike: though apparently by #mm rules a waifu is something assigned to you by others 03:29:19 yea 03:29:22 what's #mm 03:29:24 what's a waifu 03:29:26 luckily i can just say stupid shit and nobody objeccts 03:29:31 how am i the incomprehensible one hth 03:29:33 Fiora: (don't tell him what #mm is) 03:29:43 kmc: nice. 03:29:53 more public figures should have official transliterations 03:30:07 лександе 03:30:09 aлександеr 03:30:20 um, okay I won't 03:30:25 help :'( 03:30:39 i don't think lexande is a public figure 03:30:44 also i should convince him to come back to this channel 03:30:50 confession: i forget who lexande is? 03:30:57 Alexander Rapp 03:31:00 good name 03:31:00 friend of mine since long time ago 03:31:02 -!- lexande has joined. 03:31:07 hi∼ 03:31:07 hexande 03:31:12 kmc you wizard 03:31:18 lexande is the wizard here 03:31:32 lexande: how do you spell 'lexande' in ge'ez 03:31:33 wizards' noses tingle when you talk about them 03:32:17 is that so 03:32:30 how is kmc a wizard? 03:32:44 For summoning you, I think. 03:32:54 what if lexande has summoning sickness 03:33:06 Then you're not a very good wizard, clearly. 03:33:11 :( 03:33:16 i don't think that's how it works 03:33:17 kmc's a great wizard, imo. 03:33:22 zzo38 would know 03:33:25 elliott: back me up on this. 03:33:58 oh this is a magic: the gathering thing 03:34:12 anyway the transliterations of my name into cyrillic and arabic were chosen for me by russian and sudanese customs/immigration officials respectively 03:34:27 you travel a lot? 03:34:46 in b4 http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~arapp/map.html http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/~arapp/citiesvisited.html 03:35:08 http://www.reddit.com/r/crypto/comments/1h1ru6/assuming_certificate_authorities_are_untrusted/caqc0lc 03:35:20 thkmc 03:35:23 That's pretty travelly. 03:37:15 there tend to be pretty canonical transliterations of "Alexander" into most languages 03:37:29 mm, it's super old, i guess. 03:37:32 thanks to a certain ambitious macedonian 03:37:32 iskandar al-akbar 03:37:33 Also that one guy. 03:37:41 i don't like the chinese one though 03:37:51 because who ever heard of a four-character first name in chinese 03:38:10 I've heard of almost no first names in Chinese, admittedly 03:38:34 clearly they should have gone for a semantic translation, i bet "defender of man" is shorter 03:40:09 the characters are something like, asia history mountain large 03:40:32 thats a pretty good name 03:41:32 yàlìshāndà 03:41:50 亚历山大 03:42:03 mnoqy is p. g. name 03:42:38 but i figure i can get by with the last two, which also makes it a lot easier to write 03:44:35 but i think i'm stuck with the surname 拉普 since i found a people's daily article referring to my father with that surname 03:46:50 as for ge'ez, uh probably ለከሰነደረ or ለከሰነደ 03:48:51 sweet 03:57:58 I have put my own name into Japanese by translating "Aaron" normally but translating "Black" by the meaning instead. 03:58:43 (I have been told that probably the more proper meaning to use for translation is "blacksmith", but I just used "black" instead.) 03:58:50 アーロンlike that? 03:59:00 Fiora: Yes, like that. 04:24:47 -!- augur has joined. 05:04:59 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 05:06:12 someone transliterate my name to japanese please 05:06:35 シャハフ 05:07:14 or シャチャフ but I don't think that would get pronounced right 05:16:13 共同カボチャ 05:17:26 zzo38: is this you http://www.aaronblack.com/ 05:35:50 -!- Taneb has joined. 05:36:14 Hi 05:36:24 Why am I awake 05:36:59 @time Taneb 05:37:00 Local time for Taneb is Wed Jun 26 06:36:59 05:37:11 have you slept yet 05:39:23 Yes 05:59:16 coppro: No 05:59:24 There are a few other people with the same name too 05:59:36 (Even if you look in Wikipedia you will see it) 06:00:39 Should there be a rule in Pokemon game that if if you use the attack to switch the item with an opponent, and one of them has some mail, that it should display the contents of the mail to the other player before the attack fails? 06:26:06 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 07:03:12 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 07:05:46 If the probability of some event is 200%, and then after that probability is calculated you will toss a coin, and if it comes up heads then you will cancel it, then does that make the event certain? 07:06:14 What is a probability of 200%? 07:06:47 Twice as much as a probability of 100%, of course. 07:07:08 What does that mean? 07:08:16 That is what it means! 07:08:43 Isn't it? 07:09:00 these are new and strange probability axioms, zzo. 07:09:52 They are new? I thought they are the same as the other one except that I wrote "200%" and so on. 07:11:42 you can't have events with p > 1 under kolmogorov axioms. 07:12:03 Perhaps I didn't explain very well. This might be better: There is a device that has a 200% chance of functioning if it is activated. You will toss a fair coin, and if it comes up tails you will activate the device and if it is heads then you won't activate it. From these premises, is it certain that the device will function? 07:12:33 seriously, i just see "200%" and stop reading, what does that mean. 07:14:00 Can you explain what a probability of something means in general rather than in specific? 07:16:33 ok, well, the probability axioms go like this. 07:17:15 first you have a set called the "sample space", which is stuff that can happen. you define a sigma-algebra on that, the "events", subsets of the sample space. and you have a probability measure : event -> [0,1] 07:18:36 the first axiom is that the probability measure is always positive (implied by my type signature but w/e). the second is that P(the whole sample space) = 1. the third is that P(countable union of events) = sum P(each event in the union) 07:19:29 this implies for instance that A subset B -> P(A) <= P(B), and along with the second axiom this makes "200% probability" incoherent. 07:19:31 disjoint union right 07:19:35 so, if you mean something else, you should explain that. 07:19:39 disjoint union, yeah. 07:20:06 Yes, I can see how, but what you omit the first axiom and type signature? 07:20:53 Anyways, I think the first axiom is wrong even in ordinary probabilities because it could be zero which doesn't count as a positive number. 07:21:40 it's "nonnegative", yes 07:22:04 or uh 07:22:11 yeah 07:22:14 Then you should write that, if that is what you mean! 07:22:21 i didn't write it!! bike did!! 07:22:33 I don't mean you personally. 07:25:22 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 07:34:37 -!- sebbu has joined. 07:40:34 -!- carado has joined. 07:44:55 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 08:08:42 -!- FreeFull has quit. 08:25:31 -!- Taneb has joined. 08:25:36 status: eating cheetos out of a bowl using chopsticks 08:27:44 Do you do that so you don't get dirty? 08:28:20 yes 08:31:10 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 09:03:32 -!- AnotherTest has joined. 09:51:01 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 09:52:16 -!- sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 10:00:42 -!- nooodl has joined. 10:04:31 -!- nooodl has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 10:05:43 -!- nooodl has joined. 10:13:48 -!- carado has joined. 10:59:38 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 11:26:17 -!- Koen_ has joined. 11:57:41 -!- mtve has joined. 12:04:56 -!- nooodl_ has joined. 12:08:08 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 12:14:26 -!- sacje has quit (Quit: sacje). 13:18:50 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 13:28:23 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 13:32:19 -!- tswett_ has joined. 13:33:03 -!- tswett has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 13:54:18 -!- aloril has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 14:08:16 -!- aloril has joined. 14:32:55 -!- conehead has joined. 14:37:36 -!- sacje has joined. 14:41:03 -!- FreeFull has joined. 14:45:43 -!- atriq has joined. 14:48:40 -!- Taneb has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 14:52:32 -!- tswett_ has changed nick to tswett. 15:35:46 pikhq_: you just won, congrats 15:55:59 -!- Bike has joined. 15:56:08 -!- Phantom__Hoover has joined. 15:58:39 -!- conehead has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 16:01:30 -!- Phantom__Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 16:06:07 -!- atriq has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 16:09:51 -!- conehead has joined. 16:33:06 -!- zzo38 has joined. 16:46:30 pikhq_: when are you getting married? :P 17:02:19 -!- atrapado has joined. 17:15:17 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 17:21:09 -!- Vorpal has joined. 17:30:23 i don't know why i did the axiom thing. that was dumb and sucked. fyi. 17:31:26 what did you do 17:33:23 texpocalypse 17:33:50 are you talking about the axiom CAS, or... 17:34:35 no i just responded to zzo with quotation instead of asking him what the heck he meatn 17:34:59 oh that thing. 17:35:30 The Thing 17:37:12 It doesn't necessarily imply that the individual events are not more than one if you are using divergent series, though, I think. 17:37:45 (If you do it so that some collections cannot be separated from others) 17:39:36 Also, if you make up the probability of a random number 0 to 1, the total probability will still be 1 even though all of the individual number being exactly is 0, so it still doesn't work. 17:57:21 -!- epicmonkey has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 17:57:27 "Each of the linear spaces l_2, c_0, c, m, and R^\infty (in that order) is a proper subspace of the next one" well i think i have a new record for shitty math identifiers 18:03:52 If you want to make up a Famicom cartridge with expansion audio, I think that other than the standard chips included in NROM cartridges, only a AY-3-8910 is added; it will work if you connect it to the PPU address bus. You can even get bank switching if you do this, without needing any other logic for bank switching. 18:04:59 (However, you will not be able to change the music or the bank during rendering.) 18:34:12 -!- itsy has joined. 18:34:31 hi 18:34:42 hi 18:34:48 hi elliott :-) 18:39:58 * itsy considers writing a worm to seek out lost files... Stuff that's disappeared from the net, but must be on someone's computer somewhere. 18:41:17 -!- surma has quit (Disconnected by services). 18:50:27 If you write a report about what files you are looking for, that could also help a bit. 18:55:41 big US Supreme Court rulings today in favor of gay marriage 18:57:10 -!- Taneb has joined. 19:05:57 -!- epicmonkey has joined. 19:07:24 also the texas abortion bill died, woo. 19:07:41 Does anyone here use an FTP search engine? Which one? 19:08:16 yeah, after a brief attempt to save it by brazen lying in front of hundreds of thousands of people 19:08:53 itsy: What exactly are you looking for 19:09:04 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 19:09:26 we have procedures, kmc. making someone stand and talk for 13 hours and then stopping time is perfectly reasonable 19:10:45 AnotherTest: some old Core War stuff which was mentioned on Usenet about 20 years ago! 19:11:04 geez. good luck with that. 19:11:41 itsy: have you checked the usenet archives? 19:12:01 or do you have the message, just not the files 19:12:33 AnotherTest: I've just got the messages, which contain an ftp link (now broken). 19:12:44 btw new band name: Intrinsically Rhythmogenic Modules 19:13:04 By the way, is there a way to download an entire Usenet group? All messages dating back 20+ years? :-) 19:13:20 probably 19:13:28 aren't they all on google? 19:13:33 or some of them 19:14:27 itsy: what's the FTP link? 19:14:35 They're on Google. But I want them here :-) 19:14:53 well, write a script to download stuff from google 19:16:03 -!- calamari has joined. 19:16:34 itsy: so, what's the link? 19:17:04 AnotherTest: one is ftp:soda.berkeley.edu/pub/corewar/ incoming/optimapc.exe 19:19:34 http://web.archive.org/web/19980110070358/http://ftp.csua.berkeley.edu/ 19:19:42 might get you somewhere 19:19:55 you might need to pick a later date though 19:20:12 (not sure what time this is from) 19:20:47 hm, doesn't seem to be saved anyway :( 19:21:40 http://www.pnas.org/content/110/26/10465.full lol. 19:22:15 itsy: what about contacting them? 19:22:24 -!- itsy has left. 19:22:33 -!- itsy has joined. 19:23:23 Tried contacting first :-) No luck. 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I don't think screen even knows about your numpads and whatnot 20:21:45 elliott: it's set at "Normal" also pgdn/pgup works fine if _not_ using screen. 20:21:48 Probably something wrong with your terminal emulator. 20:22:16 Lumpio-: screen always emulates vt100, afaiu 20:22:49 Well I don't see any difference with pageup/down between screen and not screen 20:22:50 oerjan: you can change a config setting to make it poorly emulate something else 20:22:52 and TERM=xterm outside it... 20:22:58 -!- calamari has quit (Quit: Bye). 20:23:02 (Checked via cat|xxd) 20:23:03 instead of poorly emulating vt100 20:23:35 Lumpio-: btw the _other_ pgup/pgdn keys on top of the keyboard which are hard to reach, work fine. 20:24:04 yes I tried both actual pagedown and numpad pagedown 20:24:08 No difference whatsoever on my setup. 20:24:19 oerjan: screen's unicode support is broken hth 20:24:22 so you should use tmux 20:24:44 shachaf: OKAY (i did use the -U option fwiw) 20:24:53 oerjan: still broken hth 20:25:08 oerjan: (For 4-byte sequences, i.e. anything not in the BMP.) 20:28:43 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 20:33:30 -!- mnoqy has joined. 20:34:06 -!- sivoais has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 20:40:36 -!- atrapado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:42:47 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 20:46:00 "Dear xxxx, I was just wondering if you still have a copy of xxxx.zip which you uploaded 22 years ago? Thanks" <- Worth a try :-) Luckily I found a current email address. 20:48:21 -!- nooodl_ has changed nick to nooodl. 20:58:49 Does anyone know what the first 2 dimensional programming language was? 20:59:13 not befunge? 20:59:31 I seem to recall one before befunge 20:59:44 Biota! 20:59:48 http://esolangs.org/wiki/Biota 20:59:51 oh, yeah. 21:02:50 Thanks, that was the one I was looking for. There were a couple of other before Befunge too. 21:13:28 -!- upgrayeddd has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 21:14:46 -!- ssue__ has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds). 21:22:13 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 21:22:21 -!- bresilsalumbizim has joined. 21:23:15 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:24:42 hey!! 21:24:53 turns out there was a putty option too 21:25:05 `relcome bresilsalumbizim 21:25:08 anyway, trying tmux 21:25:09 ​bresilsalumbizim: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 21:25:43 hey!! what's up 21:25:59 everything at once 21:26:13 like what 21:26:19 befunge 21:26:34 hahaha ok 21:27:35 although admittedly it would also be nice if the wireless were stable enough that putty didn't disconnect all the time. 21:27:47 kmc: more on that thing i linked you a billion years ago: http://storify.com/camp2013/learning-learning-learning "Led a great session on investigation for #ttcCamp13 this morning at this rate the participants will have brought down a government by Friday" 21:28:02 oerjan: Get mosh 21:28:29 Has some intelligence for laggy connections + most importantly survives disconnects 21:29:00 what the fuck is this???? 21:29:16 Lumpio-: i'm on windows 8 hth 21:29:21 what the fuck is what 21:29:36 every thing 21:29:44 oerjan: I think you can get LInux or something free from the internet 21:29:48 hold on I'll find a download link 21:29:54 lots of things are fuck 21:29:55 imo 21:30:42 am using macintosh sooo fuck linux lol 21:31:31 Lumpio-: shut up hth 21:31:42 I don't even hth 21:32:05 heheheh... 21:32:21 what's a hth 21:32:29 `? hth 21:32:31 hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. 21:32:50 dafuq 21:33:09 where u gays coming from? 21:33:17 Lumpio-: i am recently quite convinced that i am sufficiently cursed that changing to linux will only bring me a different but equally obnoxious set of annoyances. 21:33:28 bresilsalumbizim: *guys hth 21:33:45 (although yes, there are _some_ gays here too.) 21:34:02 hmmm...i will love to see the 21:34:28 i am from a computer 21:34:38 halp 21:34:44 i am to a computer. 21:35:02 and how can i help? 21:35:36 be computer 21:36:02 hehehe nop am a parson not a computer 21:36:29 i don't think we get many parsons here 21:36:53 then u have one. 21:37:54 I dunno about parsons but I could probably hook you up with some parsley 21:37:56 http://i.imgur.com/ZFfRqsz.jpg 21:39:00 -!- nooodl has left ("Leaving"). 21:39:24 and what am i going to use it for? u punk ass 21:40:04 you could spread it on food hth 21:40:29 Maybe mix it up with some lard 21:40:32 In a bowl 21:40:43 people do that? 21:40:48 i dont need that shiit 21:41:03 bresilsalumbizim: hey eat up your greens 21:41:35 oerjan: you should op kmc so he can ban this guy. 21:41:59 oerjan: you should op elliott so he can op kmc so he can ban this guy 21:42:04 also acceptable 21:42:06 elliott: what, already? 21:42:17 Bike: sounds like a plan. 21:42:29 oerjan: well have you noticed he's joined the channel and insulted people a lot and not said anything on-topic, hth. 21:42:58 why dont u come and eat it with me? 21:43:01 elliott: well i guess technically you are correct, as always 21:43:08 it's just boring here 21:43:08 (except with some maths) 21:44:16 bresilsalumbizim: are you really from burundi 21:44:27 yes i am 21:44:31 why? 21:44:42 not many from africa here 21:44:54 ooh!! ok that's why 21:44:58 we have a south african don't we 21:45:07 hiato 21:45:14 yes, but he's not here very often 21:46:13 i think he passed by a couple weeks ago 21:46:23 so where you guys from? 21:46:30 hexham 21:46:38 mostly europe and north america 21:46:56 oh!! that's cool.. 21:47:27 oerjan: I think you mean mostly Helsinki and Hexham 21:47:32 that too. 21:47:42 Hey, Hexham's in Europe 21:47:51 And I presume Helsinki is in North America 21:48:02 um... I have bad news about Finland for you, Taneb. 21:48:14 i dint know that ths app wound work so i just tryed 21:48:37 Did helsinki.fi just move it's user pages? 21:50:24 well it is pretty well known that finland is close to russia, and far from japan 21:51:38 -!- bresilsalumbizim has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:00:33 elliott: see no need for bans hth 22:01:08 oerjan: now about that semen_dickman guy in the logs... 22:02:39 nanana i cant hear you 22:02:58 "US got NSA leaker Edward Snowden's middle name wrong, says Hong Kong" 22:03:18 oerjan: well finland is close to russia and russia is close to japan, so finland can't be that far off 22:03:24 -!- Nisstyre has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:03:46 shachaf: russia is not transitive hth 22:04:26 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 22:04:41 oerjan: what about the trans-siberian railway 22:04:44 sounds like transit to me 22:05:11 i'm pretty sure that doesn't go to japan though 22:05:34 indeed 22:05:38 * lexande hilights on transit and trains 22:05:55 wow you really are a kmcfrien 22:05:57 a trainspotter! 22:06:22 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 22:08:15 -!- sprocklem has joined. 22:08:50 *Goodness* this DOMA strikedown makes things interesting/confusing. 22:09:17 how so? 22:09:36 It is now possible to be married on a federal level but not a state level. 22:09:55 ...it got turned upside down? :P 22:09:59 Yes. 22:10:11 gay marriage: the exact opposite of pot 22:10:28 sounds like a slogan 22:10:35 is marriage done on a federal level? I thought it was handled by states, and the law was about whether or not the federal government acknowledged it 22:10:40 it's kinda funny they didn't touch section 2 even though it looks like the opposite of article iv of the constitution 22:10:41 and there's the whole full faith and credit thing (?) 22:11:03 yeah, that. 22:11:16 Fiora: In this case, the fed. would acknowledge marriage done in any state. 22:11:27 But your state of residence might *not* acknowledge it. 22:11:41 So, from a federal POV you are married. 22:11:46 But not from your state's. 22:11:48 so like, if someone got married in california, some other state is legally allowed to not acknowledge it? 22:11:56 By DOMA, yes. 22:11:57 yeah, that's what section 2 does. 22:12:11 isn't that... a violation of article 4 section 1? @_@ 22:12:17 With... some oddities, like Oklahoma being forced to put an adoptive gay couple on a kid's birth certificate 22:12:25 because yeah it's pretty blatantly unconstitutional 22:12:40 what's with the "marriage tourism" thing then, where people visit another state to get married, how does that work 22:13:21 Fiora: People feel as though going through the "marriage" thing officializes the relationship. 22:13:58 and it probably will once the stupid thing dies, but. 22:14:27 huh it says in some places that they just outright struck the law, but some people are saying only section 3...? 22:14:32 Bike: I think they could sue for back taxes. :P 22:14:37 Fiora: It was only section 3. 22:14:51 Section 2 was simply not affected by this case. 22:14:58 (it was literally not at issue ever) 22:15:23 It'll probably get contested soon, what with being a *blatant* violation of full faith and credit. 22:15:37 supremecourt.gov doesn't work at all w/o www :( 22:15:58 anyway US v. windsor, right? http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/12pdf/12-307_g2bh.pdf 22:16:08 Yes. 22:16:18 wikipedia said "Section 2, which allows states to refuse to recognize same-sex marriages performed in states where such marriage is legal, was not at issue in the Windsor case but the entire Defense of Marriage Act was deemed unconstitutional" but I don't know 22:16:22 if anyone wants to see it themselves (i already read a supreme court decision this month, that's enough) 22:16:31 Fiora: i saw that too but it looked like a shitty edit. 22:16:34 yeah :< 22:16:34 i mean, you know. wikipedia. 22:16:54 Anyway the decision's there if you want to find out for real. 22:18:21 It's vague. 22:18:32 hooray. 22:18:37 It says "Section 2 was not at issue". But it also says "DOMA is unconstitutional." 22:20:23 maybe i should read it just to get infuriated at whatever scalia's dissent is (no) 22:23:15 http://www.theonion.com/articles/scalia-thomas-roberts-alito-suddenly-realize-they,32972/ 22:23:20 hey can someone join #Sup3rSa1y4n, i hear from #freenode that it auto-klines you. 22:23:33 note: I disclaim responsibility 22:24:54 https://twitter.com/BryanJFischer/status/350011942242500609 considering following this guy. 22:24:56 oh maybe not 22:25:48 natural marriage 22:26:08 no chemicals! all natural 22:26:12 natural marriage more like anti-nazi 5ever marriage 22:28:23 oops out of free onions 22:29:49 Chemicals are so horrible. I found out they have added DHMO to our food. 22:31:44 pikhq_: doesn't the full faith and credit clause say that Congress can regulate how full faith and credit is to be applied? 22:32:15 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 22:32:30 "the legislature shall, by general laws, prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings, shall be proved, and the effect which judgments, obtained in one state, shall have in another." 22:32:45 er that's a draft version, the final is "And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof." 22:32:48 kmc: No. 22:33:25 no? 22:34:16 -!- itsy has left. 22:34:22 That states that Congress may regulate how the acts of other states shall be demonstrated. 22:34:38 -!- Lymia has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 22:34:42 It does not give Congress any way to *prevent* the application. 22:35:37 Which is to say, Congress may regulate marriage certificates. The forms themselves. 22:36:02 this has been ruled in a previous court case? 22:37:05 This was the basis on which interracial marriage was legalized. 22:37:39 ok 22:38:10 ? was there a DOMA analogue? 22:38:50 there was never an anti-interracial-marriage DOMA 22:39:09 i think interracial marriages were always recognized where they were legal 22:39:15 whoa, I just realised who TeruFSX is. 22:41:09 ? 22:42:24 Oh man. The reason HK refused to extradite Snowden was because they got his middle name wrong (and one other thing, but) 22:42:31 they = the US, I mean 22:42:42 kmc: nomic 22:42:50 oh 22:42:55 Bike: best excuse 22:42:58 bike: That’s hilarious. 22:43:15 comments are good right here 22:43:35 Someone in the US government was intentionally sabotagin the extradition attempt. The empire is imploding from the inside. 22:43:36 Bike: the sass in their refusal was the best thing 22:43:41 inorite 22:56:03 -!- Zerker has joined. 23:15:11 http://heh.fi/tmp/1007.png 23:19:07 -!- Zerker has quit (Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes)). 23:27:33 -!- heroux has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 23:31:54 -!- heroux has joined. 23:40:46 2GB RAM. Running Eclipse and at least one other Java-based application from cygwin 23:40:57 Ctrl-C-ing TOOK A MINUTE OR TWO 23:41:05 Ctrl-C SHOULD NEVER TAKE THAT LONG 23:47:29 Muahahahah 23:50:32 How did I ever survive on 512 MB when I was younge? 23:50:34 younger? 23:50:55 software was simpler 23:51:11 And designed with 512 MiB in mind. 23:53:51 it's kind of interesting to see how like, game memory usages seem to have stopped growing at around ~2GB for the past few years 23:53:59 http://www.theonion.com/articles/register-number-one,32928/ 23:54:03 because if they went beyond that they'd have to drop 32-bit support, I think 23:54:05 A neutral character in a Kelly comic??? 23:54:17 when RAM is not as scarce, you can develop programs faster, make them less buggy and more secure, and more people can help 23:54:36 seems a reasonable tradeoff for buying $15 more of RAM imo 23:55:05 a lot of people cry "software bloat" but that's usually an arrogant, lazy non-explanation 23:56:17 I'm guessing with games a lot of it is taking advantage of the extra memory to store textures or the like, and keeping track of a really big world state 23:56:31 Eclipse and Tomcat servlets are not games 23:57:10 Sgeo: the only winning move is not to play 23:57:25 maybe it's because a lot of games are cross-platform and the Xbox 360 specs have been the same since 2005 23:57:30 it only has 512 MB of RAM (!) 23:57:45 I don't think I've played many games that are console ports recently 23:57:50 Tried using NetBeans. At least got an IDE that lagged only at sensible times 23:57:54 well. like. I have but I've played them on consoles <.< 23:58:05 Ctrl-C was still hell though 23:58:29 (the real reason we need lots of RAM though is so I can run ECM factoring on tswett's number) 23:58:38 i think sixty seconds to end a program being hell is a bit overblown, although maybe i'm saying that because i'm looking at a picture of a kid with his skull ripped up. 23:59:21 nine circles, Bike. 23:59:22 The PS3 has similar amounts of RAM. 23:59:26 The Wii has... less. 23:59:40 elliott: huh what 23:59:51 Bike: sixty seconds to end a program is just the first circle. 23:59:56 oh right 23:59:58 Fiora: here, I'll make it easier for you.