< 1372465853 563492 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1372466305 266009 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372466726 381244 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :halp did i broke agora < 1372466735 573845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Did you figure out if you can make a Rust "object" (the existential typeclass thingy) with more than one trait? < 1372466742 990579 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1372466771 701012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: just one day before 20th anniversary? some irony. < 1372466926 717950 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: no you didn't < 1372467343 359120 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372467551 835593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Nope. < 1372467583 708119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't actually try the object thing until just now. < 1372467903 346280 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't look like it's possible... < 1372468103 913477 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But maybe #rust would know.) < 1372468245 14760 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1372468334 935159 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: they're talking about traits-as-object-things right now < 1372468375 760185 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1372469331 970895 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1372469537 300190 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372470245 897168 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-110.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1372470356 18937 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-110.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372470669 220884 :pikhq_!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372472071 240624 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :object traitors < 1372474445 898112 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-110.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372474596 118673 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-110.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372475502 253659 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Agora's pretty hard to break, in my experience. < 1372475584 771242 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1372475877 503010 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Goo knight < 1372475945 286308 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like it that the disk images for the Famicom are all put together into one file; it would be more useful to put each side of each disk as a separate file, isn't it? < 1372475982 222086 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Seems less convenient. < 1372476188 22145 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps, but that could still be solved by adding a user-defined macro to select one. < 1372476208 969467 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, public forum blah blah < 1372476222 120398 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, probably declaring a nomic as Hostile should have some actual effect < 1372476272 932494 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like aiming Agora's nuclear arsenal at it. < 1372476348 549958 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think maybe there should be a class of nomics called "legitimate nomics", which are nomics that have a recognition other than Unknown or Hostile; rules should generally speak of legitimate nomics, rather than nomics in general < 1372476365 655960 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should be perfectly legal to claim to be the ambassador to a hostile nomic < 1372476372 487636 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Agoran ambassador < 1372476399 471810 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If Agora had mechanisms for trading with other nomics, then declaring the nomic as Hostile could shut them off. < 1372476438 52801 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-110.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372476510 751559 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"At any given time, every foreign nomic is Unembargoed, Voluntarily Embargoed (default), or Compulsorily Embargoed. A foreign nomic may switch its embargo status between Unembargoed and Voluntarily Embargoed at any time." < 1372476546 688761 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, of course, isn't how Agora would phrase that at all. < 1372476607 121470 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-110.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372476647 123813 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Embargo Status is a foreign nomic switch, tracked by the Ambassador-at-Large, with values Unembargoed, Voluntarily Embargoed (default), and Compulsorily Embargoed. A foreign nomic CAN switch its embargo status between Unembargoed and Voluntarily Embargoed by announcement." < 1372476683 651723 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Each Foreign Nomic has an Embargo Status, tracked in the GNDT, ..." < 1372476786 343216 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When this happens, the Sensei SHOULD announce who < 1372476786 596740 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : the winner was." < 1372476791 476340 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is that SHOULD and not SHALL? < 1372476836 347028 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, good question. < 1372476854 328147 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-110.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should found #Esotericists Against Weird Nerd Shit < 1372477029 137820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike_, instead of that, you could try to start a war against Agora < 1372477037 122719 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Much more fun < 1372477043 35686 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-110.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think you get the point of the Society sir < 1372477058 208589 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't think any nomics that waged war against Agora survived much longer) < 1372477079 939707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does AA count as waging war? AA will probably live forever technically < 1372477089 869465 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-164-162-110.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372477145 951324 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-227-183.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372477171 350164 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-227-183.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1372477188 7033 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-227-183.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372477378 101251 :Bike!~Glossina@75-164-162-110.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372477382 817196 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-227-183.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372477696 508938 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-236-21.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372477869 71819 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-183.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372477872 77622 :Bike_!~Glossina@67-5-236-21.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372478287 449436 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372478661 229616 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1372479297 188073 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1372479770 530002 :aiRoom!~romario@189.120.230.72 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372480083 82091 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372481292 87084 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372481402 11879 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se JOIN :#esoteric < 1372481999 593385 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-236-21.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372482287 167078 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-236-21.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372483053 663152 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-236-21.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1372483254 253469 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-236-21.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372484010 298816 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: NihilistDandy < 1372485817 133078 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372485966 542404 :aiRoom!~romario@189.120.230.72 QUIT :Quit: Connection reset by pheer   [www.t7ds.com.br] < 1372487227 520073 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372487371 32698 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1372487551 960978 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372488172 116823 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372488714 29132 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1372490261 933700 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1372490303 369777 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372490304 475355 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372490392 884128 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1372490542 614005 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1372490560 766239 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :we need a haskell library where (!) is a disambiguation operator of some kind < 1372490578 645272 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :so that the fanfiction notation of fic!character or trait!character is valid < 1372492579 297488 :shachaf_!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com NICK :shachaf < 1372492582 882702 :shachaf!~shachaf@li227-219.members.linode.com QUIT :Changing host < 1372492582 903333 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1372492682 877886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: #rust on irc.mozilla.org? < 1372493130 118517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: should I make Rust bindings for udis86? sounds fun imo < 1372493226 67782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo do it < 1372493236 344030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it'll become your signature ffi thing < 1372493282 656887 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I was doing some FFIing with ptrace before. < 1372493807 186944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how did that go < 1372493954 808195 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i remembered how much fun ptrace is < 1372493962 338088 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it worked more or less < 1372494100 450484 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :cool < 1372494346 988115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and what did you think of rust's ffi capabilities < 1372494633 248370 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1372494773 872418 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372497295 630103 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372497677 814846 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:14 < aatch> but remember that &Trait only started working in last week. < 1372497778 363129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, FFI capabilities. < 1372497800 625693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like some things are a lot of work to FFI-bind safely. < 1372497829 660003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust tries to keep track of some things that Haskell doesn't, like array size sometimes and the things you were mentioning. < 1372498139 989580 :Amoras!~androirc@a89-154-98-188.cpe.netcabo.pt JOIN :#esoteric < 1372498196 661427 :Amoras!~androirc@a89-154-98-188.cpe.netcabo.pt QUIT :Client Quit < 1372499269 7423 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1372499635 141464 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: remember when i was really terrible < 1372499646 692103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't but i looked at my old #haskell logs :'( < 1372499772 109787 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372500016 90369 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't remember either < 1372500019 234671 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could look but maybe i won't < 1372500031 535743 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/07.06.13:18:17:23 jfredett: (>>=) temporarily extracts the inside of the monad and gives it to your function, but only if your function promises that it'll return something wrapped in that same monad eventually. < 1372500042 339717 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1372500095 409535 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :to be fair other people had given me that explanation first.......... < 1372500687 796900 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think good examples of how thats not true is would be good to have on the wiki < 1372500702 540555 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :something like "why monads arent burritos" < 1372500756 580375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many good examples of why it's nonsense. < 1372500788 560604 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :! < 1372500790 899775 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can see me! < 1372500792 320742 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im surprised. < 1372500802 474782 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know there are many good examples, but it'd be good to have at hand < 1372500889 653341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I liked Apocalisp's thing: < 1372500901 785820 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, what if the monad you're dealing with is, say, a function? How is it going to just give you the value? I imagine the exchange going like this: < 1372500910 138322 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You: "Give me the square root!" < 1372500912 679584 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell: "The square root of what?" < 1372500915 208040 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You: "Just gimme it!" < 1372500917 717894 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell: "Dude, I don't have it. You have to give me an argument." < 1372500920 365382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You: "Gah!" < 1372500930 862904 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what? lol < 1372501279 617771 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think probably a good example is Cont, where general continuations (and not polymorphic ones) definitely cant be said to contain values < 1372501312 685315 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, sort of. < 1372501315 72813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, like, functions, man < 1372501323 359449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, like, proxy < 1372501325 354065 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean Reader? < 1372501327 45416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, whoa, dude < 1372501332 612499 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont know proxy < 1372501343 182845 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reader, more commonly known as (->) < 1372501348 609853 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Proxy a = Proxy < 1372501362 841972 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, yes, thats a good example < 1372501378 469365 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Reader and Cont both can be wedged into a container mold, and still make some amount of sense < 1372501381 940626 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course, Maybe has the same property < 1372501394 646765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :id :: Int -> Int does not "contain" an Int in any normal usage of the term < 1372501400 933790 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1372501418 177920 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can view it as a value that is parameterized < 1372501442 722125 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean, thats much the purpose of Reader, viewing things as values, under some background parameter < 1372501518 834446 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats very much the benefit of monads, often, is letting you think of m a as just an a, with some funny stuff going on in the background < 1372501557 247139 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :soo what's m (m a) < 1372501560 360043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/o// < 1372501601 334334 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :a funny way of being an a with funny stuff going on in the background :) < 1372501643 672027 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im really fond of the computation metaphor myself, honestly < 1372501668 292050 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :m a is a funny way to compute an a < 1372501675 350606 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :[a] is a []-y way to compute an a < 1372501686 212479 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so forth < 1372501735 609202 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that does make the container metaphor easier to stomach, i feel. < 1372501786 704233 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the containers are just the computations, not actual boxes < 1372501799 19765 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 PRIVMSG #esoteric :stretched metaphor, but < 1372501828 874512 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :stretaphor < 1372502383 949562 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO (IO a)) < 1372502600 88467 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't see the point of any metaphors, really < 1372502630 976281 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :All you need to understand monads is either return,join,fmap or return,bind < 1372502653 898722 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a monad is like a useful abstraction.have fun < 1372502675 384540 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where bind or join are where the magic happens < 1372502855 981979 :oklopol!~oklopol@dyn60-339.yok.fi QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1372502898 384654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: not having fun yet < 1372502932 677345 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah me neither < 1372504217 635613 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :oonbotti < 1372504231 267658 :John_Metcalf!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Quit: John_Metcalf < 1372504340 825046 :oonbotti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1372504955 302681 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :oonbotti < 1372504974 89652 :oonbotti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1372505373 145058 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacje < 1372505432 15698 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372506779 927300 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1372506888 707123 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1372508543 57811 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1372508646 428691 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:10:23 it sounds like the kid in the apartment above has recently acquired a marble or something similar. < 1372508649 455454 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:10:47 so, after all, that is what will finally be the end of me. < 1372508651 935803 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :17:10:59 too many marbles. < 1372508655 478752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: it's ok, eventually you'll lose your marbles anyway < 1372509795 428377 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372510480 126712 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1372511444 37637 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :oonbotti < 1372511483 432620 :oonbotti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1372512396 429216 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372512724 60394 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1372513349 373907 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372513716 551956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1372513969 179422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1372514000 5874 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372514144 73256 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: hi i hear youre older now. happy birthy < 1372514375 321197 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you, although it's over now < 1372514383 103507 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i'm still older though) < 1372515045 419620 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy post-birthy < 1372515628 385698 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1372516110 316580 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: it's ok, eventually you'll lose your marbles anyway <-- THAT'S THE JOKE. or despair, whatever. < 1372516265 260984 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be both if you want < 1372517170 399266 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT'S THE SOMETHING < 1372517247 640902 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it can be both even if you don't want < 1372517324 434793 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1372517360 233187 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1372518443 763523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : (I don't think any nomics that waged war against Agora survived much longer) <-- i suspect technically no nomics other than agora "survived much longer" in general. < 1372518488 914221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um B!!!! < 1372518492 577094 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well. < 1372518498 986473 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :technically that died like a decade ago < 1372518518 943247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the second oldest nomic these days? < 1372518581 107834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1179027/86400 < 1372518581 864724 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 13.646145833333334 < 1372518608 726409 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: um, probably blognomic? < 1372518621 477279 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1179027/86400 - 13)*24 < 1372518622 276468 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 15.507500000000007 < 1372518627 564743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :circa 2003 < 1372518630 774218 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1372518646 761483 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (14-1179027/86400)*24 < 1372518647 582650 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 8.492499999999993 < 1372518660 106739 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait hm < 1372518671 478463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm why does blognomic's header have a statement of the principle of extensional set equality in it right now < 1372518676 639542 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 583042/86400 < 1372518677 619695 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6.748171296296296 < 1372518711 985217 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (7-583042/86400)*24 < 1372518713 23902 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 6.043888888888894 < 1372518769 343122 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :oerjan > 1372518769 364972 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372518789 310348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*perdito@*.pool.mediaWays.net > 1372518789 332521 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372518793 805833 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1372518803 545991 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -b :*!*@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.* > 1372518803 569253 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372518822 196878 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1372518943 250679 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :[]{} < 1372518944 380745 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this dynasty's about logic < 1372518946 52960 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no MODE #esoteric -o :oerjan > 1372518946 75867 NAMES :#esoteric < 1372518953 622356 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or something < 1372518954 844048 :[]{}!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1372518956 613874 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, if I wanted to get someone into nomic, BlogNomic might be an easier start I guess? < 1372519041 611917 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: oerjan: um, probably blognomic? << I think Blognomic was started in 2005... I'm not sure that makes it the oldest < 1372519051 673338 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't know if you wanna count the frc < 1372519056 45285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 2003 < 1372519060 519992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i looked it up < 1372519063 221733 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh frc :P < 1372519081 999755 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372519096 264546 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think of it as an "ordinary" nomic, but of course it's slightly older than agora. < 1372519168 965856 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :By Agora's definitions, it is a nomic, right? < 1372519217 626931 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just a nomic with a slightly odd rule changing mechanism < 1372519220 266163 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so is canada. < 1372519239 493284 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372519246 459446 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so ARE canada < 1372519250 327263 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1372519253 734214 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay.. esoteric in full colour < 1372519277 783437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome < 1372519279 805235 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, I guess that other canada is dead < 1372519280 365697 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​12W06e03lcome07 to the internationa12l h07ub 12fo11r esoteric progr02amming 02lan06guage d07esign a12n04d d13eploym04ent! For more in13f07ormation05, check10 out 06our wiki: http:/11/eso03langs.org/w02i14ki/Ma04in_02Page. (Fo06r the13 othe05r kind of esoterica, t02ry10 14#esote07ric on irc.dal.net.) < 1372519302 193233 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you master oerjan < 1372519307 756052 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*so is Canadum < 1372519490 676473 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :oonbotti < 1372519512 93759 :oonbotti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1372520064 251132 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : maybe i should found #Esotericists Against Weird Nerd Shit <-- that's like Cannibals Against Eating Meat, right? < 1372520145 268985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is reminded about that motor bus latin joke
< 1372520178 453651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Motor_Bus < 1372520298 526835 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: did you learn that in class? :P < 1372520767 458725 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1372520883 145048 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372522077 410836 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1372522269 28297 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372522432 169625 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-236-21.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1372524166 245131 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1372525364 113562 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1372525607 968635 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372525617 937470 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372525817 19282 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1372526645 928500 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good idea/bad idea? Taking a brand new $650 smartphone into the shower < 1372526713 847667 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :bad hth < 1372526800 996565 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too late < 1372526885 300510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my mind boggles at how you managed it < 1372526933 464972 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The phone in question is supposed to be somewhat waterproof -- resistant for 30 minutes submerged 1 meter deep < 1372526959 642937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...are you ircing from the shower. < 1372526967 654135 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. Although I did consider it. < 1372527007 696981 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The screen needs to be dry to process input properly, which kind of sucks. < 1372527240 60486 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i found out my ipad isn't waterproof "the hard way" < 1372527248 454046 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did it die < 1372527314 82594 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1372527629 553450 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :... then it's waterproof? < 1372527700 384950 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i was gone < 1372527707 164540 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hold down the Info button for a few seconds, and the TG-2 becomes a very expensive flashlight." (Waterproof camera review.) < 1372527727 634100 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-D < 1372527729 816163 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it wasn't a lot of water, but some of it got in the headphone jack and i had to dry it out < 1372527746 206761 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It can turn the focus illumination led on like that.) < 1372528593 803052 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Galaxy S4 Active? < 1372528619 94441 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, yes < 1372528635 256913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Samsung has already made a splash with its feature-rich smartphone the Galaxy S4. Now it is hoping to generate enthusiasm for a Galaxy S4 variant that can survive one, in most circumstances." < 1372528639 509388 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is... strained < 1372528686 840752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1372528748 794635 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I'm just too stupid at this moment to connect pronouns < 1372528795 189983 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I realized that the operational difference between composition and inheritance is less significant in C++, where you can have members of object (not reference-to-object) type < 1372528808 741162 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also is there a good concise term fro "object (not reference-to-object) type" < 1372528856 402832 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly more interested to know if it's drop-proof... it hasn't particularly been advertised as such, but that's why I bought it < 1372529056 2470 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some people argue about whether MAME/MESS is free software and open source. < 1372529206 345077 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe "object value type" < 1372529282 860048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1372529320 902872 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't get shorter than what you said without getting ambiguous I think < 1372529834 248737 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"objectvaluetype" < 1372529901 293952 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :OVT < 1372530024 507422 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thing < 1372530051 938548 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"object value type" was already ambiguous though < 1372530173 640204 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I don't know how e.g. JVMs lay out subclasses; maybe they do have pointers to superclass objects < 1372530186 207843 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I doubt it because you should never need virtual inheritance without MI < 1372531268 722197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A ""object (not reference-to-object) type" in C++ is a structure type, isn't it? < 1372531298 25888 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372531361 991074 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could call it that < 1372531378 855431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but someone might think you mean POD structures by that < 1372531481 173520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is that? < 1372531630 837715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plain_old_data_structure < 1372531722 1482 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is POD like, a language-independent term for 'struct'? < 1372531734 205621 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought it was a c++ term of art < 1372531893 145683 :DHeadshot!~DH____@unaffiliated/dh----/x-6288474 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's wrong with UDT for that? < 1372531913 782333 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: it stands for "plain old data" but I think mainly C++ people use it? maybe java people too and I think they use it to mean something else < 1372531919 933326 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh kmc already linked < 1372531924 781550 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I don't think it has a consistent cross-language meaning < 1372531993 646048 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :note that a C++ POD can have non-virtual methods < 1372532044 671073 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is also POJO.. which is used by java programmers quite often.. (see also POCO for c..same meaning) < 1372532056 444292 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this doesn't sound all that plain! < 1372532065 837190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because those are sort of just ordinary functions that take an implicit first argument < 1372532072 166842 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and old < 1372532162 289902 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so does anyone understand the stone-weierstrass theorem because it seems real cool < 1372532187 152468 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plain old c object? < 1372532209 24508 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it involves numbers < 1372532209 161665 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yolo < 1372532219 599281 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it doesn't! < 1372532223 983835 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea, but reading further the term seems to be used more in the c# community < 1372532226 597813 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@kmc < 1372532226 701391 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe you meant: src rc ghc < 1372532227 10351 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you old live object < 1372532240 252767 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally no numbers the relevant wikipedia article section!! < 1372532249 888381 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :numbers suck, imo. < 1372532397 534987 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :analysis is all numbers!! < 1372532413 245308 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinda fucked up analysis you doin son < 1372532458 299928 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :analysis is building a tower on some crazy ol axioms < 1372533509 100101 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Real analysis sucks; complex analysis is the way to go. < 1372533514 93805 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :One milliatyllion is 10^2^1002. < 1372533526 328513 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Preferably it should be handled algebraically, because who likes doing anything analytically? < 1372533613 880477 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Differential algebras rule, man. < 1372533665 520729 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh < 1372533677 44468 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm just as bored now as I was yesterday when my router was bust < 1372533682 139072 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also! < 1372533693 114728 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I don't *actually* know how to do complex analysis purely algebraically. < 1372533705 2871 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very early yesterday morning, someone mistook me for, and I quote, "that guy who invented Facebok" < 1372533708 143905 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Facebook < 1372533720 715130 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, neat. < 1372533768 993219 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For reference, I bear no resemblance to Mark Zuckerberg whatsoever < 1372533873 601096 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let's see. If f is a holomorphic function, does the differential equation dy/dx = f(x) necessarily have solutions in neighborhoods of the origin? < 1372533922 622822 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well... yes. Integrate both sides. Boom. < 1372533939 301126 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does every holomorphic function have an integral which is also holomorphic? You'd hope so. < 1372533960 847974 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does it make sense to speak of a holomorphic function C x C -> C? < 1372534085 194633 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A bunch of people said I looked like James Bond < 1372534094 786688 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that made more sense because I was wearing a dinner suit < 1372534105 673393 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And am tall with dark hair < 1372534108 392653 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think there's such a thing as "looking like James Bond", is there? < 1372534116 617702 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Daniel Craig doesn't look like Sean Connery. < 1372534129 729438 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :One of my friends went into quite some depth about it < 1372534164 121153 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :He said that while I bore little resemblance to any particular incarnation of James Bond, I looked as though I could have been an incarnation unto myself < 1372534235 157035 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :On account of my dress and the way I was carrying myself < 1372534239 22011 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also what I was drinking < 1372534247 99697 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :martini? < 1372534264 359528 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heineken, which I am told sponsors the franchise < 1372534285 133930 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now, if f is a holomorphic function in x and y (which hopefully means something), does the differential equation dy/dx = f(x,y) necessarily have solutions in neighborhoods of the origin? Pretty sure you can come up with a Taylor series, at least. < 1372534317 75117 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For some bizarre reason it was being sold in 2/3 pint glasses < 1372534321 281982 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not all power series define functions, though. Here's one that doesn't: f(x) = 0! x^0 + 1! x^1 + 2! x^2 + 3! x^3 + 4! x^4 + ... < 1372534336 462669 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? people whom Taneb is not < 1372534341 79123 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :people whom Taneb is not? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1372534341 541217 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                               | < 1372534341 705689 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                             º¯`\o < 1372534384 385973 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo "elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond" > wisdom/people\ who\ Taneb\ is\ not < 1372534387 952342 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1372534390 173278 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? people whom Taneb is not < 1372534391 990763 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :people whom Taneb is not? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1372534392 313841 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                               | < 1372534392 547008 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                             o/`¯º < 1372534394 929578 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? people who Taneb is not < 1372534396 505050 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :people who Taneb is not? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1372534396 846554 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                              | < 1372534397 89485 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                            º¯`\o < 1372534400 357981 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1372534402 900518 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : I suck < 1372534491 694713 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? people\ who\ Taneb\ is\ not < 1372534492 813707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lower the case? < 1372534493 582285 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :people\ who\ Taneb\ is\ not? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1372534493 882140 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                  | < 1372534494 15130 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                o/`¯º < 1372534512 879587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to lowercase that t in the filename, yes < 1372534513 231705 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISTR wisdom looks for lowercase files. < 1372534554 367846 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mv wisdom/people\ who\ Taneb\ is\ not wisdom/people\ who\ taneb\ is\ not < 1372534558 41892 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1372534566 380025 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? people who taneb is not < 1372534568 558316 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond < 1372534572 463275 :tswett!~quassel@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? people who Taneb is not < 1372534573 943199 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, a rabbi, Mark Zuckerberg, James Bond < 1372534681 660320 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-174-44.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372534737 395137 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1372534843 343101 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :since there are a lot of people whom Taneb is not, I think it would be better if it selected a few at random every time < 1372534921 206013 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372535839 815510 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372536166 830148 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose my religious views might be classified as panendeism, although some of my views differ from what is common in any classification. < 1372536710 804843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do the features of Black-C fit into the stuff about POD structures and so on? < 1372536718 404061 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is it called when f (g(a), a) = g(a) for all a? < 1372536749 55192 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all a in the domain of g < 1372536767 61226 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I don't know. < 1372536778 31190 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's sort of a fixed point? < 1372536784 172753 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But a fixed curve < 1372536795 796556 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, snd < 1372536803 722082 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh < 1372536804 539050 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fst < 1372536824 164006 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::P < 1372536831 250271 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean something like "g is a fixed curve of f < 1372536832 390840 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1372536850 24415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that is one thing that meets this description, but I think you mean in general, not just one specific function. < 1372536859 480301 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :...apply? < 1372536865 264285 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: ???? < 1372536884 298198 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :full disclosure, i have no idea what the fuck kind of notation Taneb is using < 1372536884 709071 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f can be defined for (x, y)s s.t. x is not g(y) < 1372536894 291161 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, for any y that isn't in the domain of g, as Taneb said < 1372536907 665191 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't it just f(g(a), a) = g(a). like. normal math < 1372536907 953531 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or even if y is in the domain of g and x just happens to be equal to something other than g(y) < 1372536956 13992 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :When f(a, b) is b^(b^(a *b + 1)) and g(a) = 1/(1-a), for example < 1372536958 79297 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am terrifically confused < 1372536974 945711 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: aren't you like... studying mathematics. at university < 1372536974 998726 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, so, you don't need g, do you? < 1372536977 6595 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(don't ask how I found that example.) < 1372536982 776491 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesn't f(x,y) = x satisfy Taneb's equation then < 1372536983 201088 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can just say f(b, a) = b for all b in some set. < 1372536988 174033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372536990 595402 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :satisfies, but it's not the only possibility. < 1372536991 798128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that doesn't mean other functions don't < 1372537009 460437 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, it does satisfy it < 1372537018 887101 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(x,y) = x if x is an integer, otherwise -1 < 1372537021 433440 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance f(x) = x has a fixed point but we don't call the property of having a fixed point "being identity" :P < 1372537026 202801 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not a name for the bunch of things that satisfy it < 1372537059 534616 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, wait, no, a, what am i saying. < 1372537158 468292 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh `i get it now' < 1372537307 240476 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel like this is probably too conceptually muddy to have a name < 1372537336 511726 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1372537384 6905 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a pair of functions f and g where g has domain A and codomain B and f has domain (BxA) and codomain B such that for all x in A, f(g(x), x) = g(x) < 1372537389 640091 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Did I write that correctly? < 1372537416 829616 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :g's domain can be smaller than A. < 1372537429 294827 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also your notation is v. verbose < 1372537429 316142 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you have g : X -> Y and f : (Y, X') -> Y' where Y isin Y' and X isin X', is what i was thinking of messaging but didn't < 1372537432 112610 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about < 1372537435 210948 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right what Bike said. < 1372537440 323777 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :except "in" is wrong it's subset. but whatever. < 1372537445 744723 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah durr. < 1372537457 122171 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't actually use tex :-( < 1372537474 811985 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it's even \isin I just interpreted it informally. it's ok I forgive you < 1372537511 680938 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway and for all x in X, f(g(x),x) = g(x) big whoop < 1372537532 998463 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe there's a name for something a bit generalized. like saying f(g(x),x) = h(x) instead or somethin < 1372537540 14068 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw this all actually has a purpose < 1372537550 182249 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck is a purpose < 1372537557 349564 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a bit like a dolphin < 1372537561 324692 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1372537594 385956 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, the first in line to the throne of France < 1372537886 154933 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can anyone just suggest a good name for it, then? < 1372537905 401142 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a "Taneb function" < 1372537943 415474 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :definition: a function satisfying the Taneb condition on the two Taneb spaces, X and Y < 1372538032 505582 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? d-modules < 1372538034 547861 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :D-modules are just modules over the ring of differential operators. Taneb invented them. < 1372538048 443228 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? tanebventions < 1372538050 581165 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanebventions include D-modules and automatic squirrel feeders < 1372538061 284528 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :question: are d-modules a taneb space < 1372538082 580573 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you believe with all your heart, then maybe they are! < 1372538086 258661 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1372538090 361148 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(1) is an automatic squirrel feeder like a crow vending machine (2) do squirrels live in Taneb space < 1372538091 618978 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :trick question, all spaces are Taneb < 1372538118 776240 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, (1) it's more like a seesaw and (2) yes < 1372538153 848358 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sweet < 1372538761 777354 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1372538773 12885 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.158.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1372539361 46585 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :oonbotti < 1372539373 672227 :oonbotti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1372540290 896192 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372540837 70609 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti_ < 1372540852 856400 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1372542122 702047 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti_ < 1372542144 217504 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :shikhin < 1372542158 423977 :shikhin!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1372542822 179733 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1372543039 933420 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372543600 29193 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1372543718 527724 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372543761 317984 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372543865 79305 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372544374 665183 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1372544405 198232 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372544420 358709 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oonbotti2: test < 1372544420 734014 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very interesting. < 1372544705 689695 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: test < 1372544921 931376 :nortti!nortti@nano.smar.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hint: fungot is not here < 1372544982 760249 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :not here!? how can this be? < 1372545003 479723 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: !!! < 1372545068 386762 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? fungot < 1372545071 379621 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot cannot be stopped by that sword alone. < 1372545207 147808 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote fungot < 1372545208 903083 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :11) GregorR-L: i bet only you can prevent forest fires. basically, you know. \ 14) Finally I have found some actually useful purpose for it. \ 15) oerjan: are you a man, if there weren't evil in this kingdom to you! you shall find bekkler! executing program. plea < 1372545238 351076 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that'll have to suffice then < 1372545242 517591 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-175-110.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1372545310 505797 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1372545313 634437 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :How is it that a headphone jack can be made waterproof (so it doesn't need a cover) but a USB port cannot? < 1372545334 148793 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: are you waterproof? < 1372545334 487313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Imma asleep.) < 1372545335 425727 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: fnord iood haha ok safari opened it after about two months time, i'll start posting some of my libraries uses them under plt < 1372545391 32105 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :sleep must not prevent our mission critical bots from functioning < 1372545930 686451 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this book very funny: http://jbot.de/zwwHC < 1372545958 91845 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unix haters handbook < 1372546001 219066 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, 350 pages too, which page is the funniest? < 1372546019 65623 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :161 < 1372546123 561803 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's have the letter from bruce howard on 258 :) < 1372546274 395430 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : so does anyone understand the stone-weierstrass theorem because it seems real cool <-- well i used to do so, anyway. < 1372546292 31950 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :back in oerjan's understanding-things days < 1372546302 888384 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dark days indeed < 1372546335 933676 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel like I'm shilling for Samsung every time I mention my phone. How do I make that feeling go away? < 1372546347 907240 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stop mentioning ur phone < 1372546355 195222 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i also love the "evolution of a programmer"..a good snack on 251 < 1372546370 293280 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so true < 1372546516 484631 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : Does every holomorphic function have an integral which is also holomorphic? You'd hope so. <-- yes, iirc the taylor series have the same radii of convergence around each point < 1372546523 422405 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-194-156.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: or, if you must mention your phone, just stop mentioning the make and model of it < 1372546943 286521 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In each case, our code was compiled using GCC version 4.5.1 with either the -O3 flag set or the -O1 flag set, whichever resulted in faster code (except for [...] which performed significantly better when compiled with GCC 4.1.2 using the -O1 flag)" isn't that grand < 1372547021 618142 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what're you reading? < 1372547078 399066 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that nsa thing < 1372547120 976297 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"the simon and speck families of lightweight block ciphers" < 1372547309 369963 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-33-125.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the cipher is like ten lines of c, i'm kind of curious what differences they could get < 1372547689 737918 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1372547823 884707 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1372549198 868974 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that case it may be worth to check the assembly < 1372549468 403748 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you know that decrementing a value in a loop can be significantly faster then incrementing it? some compilers optimize the assembly so it makes no difference.. but without optimization the assembly code is ..yea..just longer (more steps) < 1372549681 145407 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's because it's easy to check if something is zero < 1372549696 5582 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But to compare two values, you have to subtract and then check if it's zero < 1372549703 93259 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1372549935 151438 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1372549974 502257 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It adds up over many loop iterations < 1372549998 164893 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although it probably doesn't matter unless you are really trying to pull out max performance < 1372550013 398444 :hagb4rd!~perdito@koln-4d0b63cd.pool.mediaWays.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1372550018 214922 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :By then you might be writing the assembly yourself anyway