< 1373068809 112180 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You're welcome, S. H. A. C. H. Af. < 1373069176 453763 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Do you understand the Eilbenberg-Moore category thing? < 1373069222 441721 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't think I've seen those names in mah life < 1373069293 191618 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: read the Charity paper < 1373069295 993964 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's interesting and stuff < 1373069296 143793 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, shachaf, Gracenotes: what did you guys end up doing < 1373069300 378532 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are commutative diagrams < 1373069320 308666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: first we got hi by greeting each other for a while < 1373069325 237298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and hugz all around < 1373069356 760163 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ghc joke < 1373069522 703280 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really like the symmetry linear logic would give the getChar and putChar functions: getChar :: RealWorld -o (RealWorld * Char), putChar :: (RealWorld * Char) -o RealWorld < 1373069553 822919 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear realworld is satanic < 1373069563 861529 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear Bike is satanic < 1373069564 681855 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :though those types are isomorphic to what Haskell has < 1373069565 87590 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In actual Haskell, yeah, I think so. < 1373069577 411415 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :modulo optimization < 1373069589 802102 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i saw a sign on a church which i thought said satan worship < 1373069593 840496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it actually said sunday worship < 1373069598 269281 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, doesn't GHC have IO a = RealWorld -> (RealWorld, a) internally? < 1373069604 260799 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something like that? < 1373069615 454408 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"something like that", sure. < 1373069617 266471 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :RealWorld is unboxed and so is the tuple < 1373069628 406227 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw do people here use bessel functions. they seem cool. i like them < 1373069637 850531 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And also it's not RealWorld, it's State# RealWorld. < 1373069646 140603 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it has nothing to do with the normal world-passing explanation of IO. < 1373069651 67404 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's more like a low-level IO operation says "I will only give you back a real world when I'm done doing my thing, damnit" < 1373069652 358500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just implementation trickery. < 1373069671 585509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :State# RealWorld fits in a zero-sized register. < 1373069675 605822 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me show you my bessels < 1373069686 944774 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :for example, putChar will only give you back a () when it gets an Int, namely the one that's returned from a write syscall < 1373069698 846189 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hm where was the place i heard about Bessel functions < 1373069725 347631 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So like "data IO a = IO (State# RealWorld -> (# State# RealWorld, a #))" or something? < 1373069749 605835 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ghci knows the exact definition (:i) < 1373069752 432817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or < 1373069753 464390 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@src IO < 1373069753 614609 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source not found. Are you on drugs? < 1373069756 622561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373069774 166377 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will halp < 1373069774 316654 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway most things people say about this definition are false. < 1373069776 612412 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Looks like yeah, it's exactly what I just said. < 1373069836 27555 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: so does this mean that >>= for IO doesn't actually look like >>= for State, as one would think? < 1373069843 224845 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :unIO :: IO a -> (State# RealWorld -> (# State# RealWorld, a #)) < 1373069843 754132 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :unIO (IO a) = a < 1373069846 270680 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's that < 1373069854 907276 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: bindIO (IO m) k = IO $ \ s -> case m s of (# new_s, a #) -> unIO (k a) new_s < 1373069881 740185 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That looks just like >>= for State, doesn't it? < 1373069896 15476 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and GHC.Types, newtype IO a = IO (State# RealWorld -> (# State# RealWorld, a #)) < 1373069918 753199 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, err, essentially what you said < 1373069919 911230 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The only point of it is to tell the compiler about certain data dependencies etc. that it's not allowed to do certain involving. < 1373069950 310359 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: btw: I don't know where the place you heard about bessels was?? < 1373069972 895106 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw: ok?? < 1373069978 85688 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373070204 796613 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric : scroll_count=0; < 1373070227 292065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : scroll_count+=4; < 1373070235 780061 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. You have to put zero < 1373070259 909342 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll_count == scroll_count = scroll_count; < 1373070266 885067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric : scroll_count*=1e518; < 1373070276 717155 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't tell me what i have to do! < 1373070283 597356 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that associates as (scroll_count == scroll_count) = scroll_count, which is invalid. < 1373070308 852115 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you assume it associates the other way, it is true < 1373070320 3003 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not if scroll_count is NaN. < 1373070342 871266 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't you love values that aren't == to themselves... < 1373070371 112503 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm kind of disappointed that NaN isn't == to itself even in Haskell. < 1373070406 873336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :undefined ain't == to itself neither. < 1373070417 407205 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, but at least you don't get False. < 1373070445 231640 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll_count is an integer, duh < 1373070467 58817 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :scroll_count="norway"; < 1373070480 725451 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"norway" can be cast to an integer, can't it? < 1373070486 791239 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of your statements are in the shachaf namespace < 1373070499 298984 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in C, you can write char c = 'norway'; < 1373070552 571664 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or int c, if you like widening conversions < 1373070647 692943 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :uint48_t c = 'norway'; < 1373070756 183413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : if you assume it associates the other way, it is true <-- i think it's undefined behavior hth < 1373070832 26543 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe a bit, maybe not as much in say C++0x (I don't recall if their new sequencing rules help here), but it's usually never unsafe to optimize 'x = x' to 'x' < 1373070865 952875 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there really a uint48_t... < 1373070878 8299 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, but I think there could be < 1373070891 751624 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and multichar literals could have that type < 1373070897 992064 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think) < 1373070899 34107 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other day, I was trying to write some C in front of some other guy, and neither of us could remember whether it was uint16 or uint_16. < 1373070905 78588 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It is, of course, neither.) < 1373070913 493588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: It might be unsafe if it is volatile, though, isn't it? < 1373070961 880657 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it will be undefined if it's not volatile and there's simultaneous modification/reading. < 1373071008 751766 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe there should be a uint_t for all nonnegative integers . Who knows when you might need a 333-bit integer? < 1373071026 432505 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it is volatile, then it might be false. < 1373071034 952311 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373071040 832317 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :if only because there is a memory barrier automatically set up with read/write of a volatile. < 1373071044 787666 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or a 0-bit integer? < 1373071049 947108 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :void? < 1373071052 174721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: I think LLVM has such a thing! < 1373071067 809042 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'd be disappointed if it didn't. < 1373071068 114847 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :up to (iirc) 8Mbit integers < 1373071163 979530 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Darn. I can think of a use for 38762521924-bit integers. < 1373071171 828866 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wish C++ supported "void x;". < 1373071190 288705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In GNU C you can create zero-length arrays. < 1373071194 446364 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :void foo() { void x; x = bar(); return x; } < 1373071214 74018 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Black-C, which is my own specification, inherits some of the features of GNU C, including zero-length arrays.) < 1373071249 292246 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: http://llvm.org/docs/LangRef.html#integer-type < 1373071269 475607 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think zero-length arrays is a useful and reasonable and logical feature to have. < 1373071281 182516 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: does that make void unit? < 1373071295 170642 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So what's the significance of the number 196882, anyway? < 1373071299 152983 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Yep. < 1373071310 99229 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It would mostly be used for if you make a structure with an array of varying length at the end, although it can be used for some other purposes too. < 1373071334 598898 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I expect it could be optimized away, though < 1373071397 610735 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the versions of a language I implemented with project partner for a compilers course had, initially, the unfortunate property that the grammar did not allow function calls as statements; only as expressions. < 1373071405 570970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU C already supports void foo() { return bar(); } < 1373071412 800367 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Where "void bar();".) < 1373071417 44034 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Black-C support that? < 1373071426 139632 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that useful for? < 1373071426 988458 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's Black-C < 1373071430 75264 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the only way you could call a void function was by declaring a void variable, which the grammar also forbade. < 1373071431 49933 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: can you cast something to void in GNU C? < 1373071434 616974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38-C? < 1373071438 420532 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: yes < 1373071453 38950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 9899-38 < 1373071465 441732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: "(void) foo();" is valid ISO C, isn't it? < 1373071474 778838 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :izzo 3899? < 1373071475 514492 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1373071491 200599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Black-C" is some document I wrote. It is: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/black_c.txt < 1373071504 811879 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes < 1373071530 471668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think some of these things is reasonable things? < 1373071629 675675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :happy Algerian Independence Day < 1373071640 356690 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh i forgot. < 1373071684 50194 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: over in ##fiora we were discussing kmc hugz < 1373071751 97108 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about them < 1373071759 84265 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: O no, I didn't mention "void foo() { return bar(); }" although I probably don't need to mention it, but maybe I should. < 1373071783 151816 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you read it, then you can see what things it does have) < 1373071827 540796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 38762521924 < 1373071829 153133 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :38762521924: 2 2 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 7 41 41 < 1373071830 879227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rainbow laser jesus < 1373071854 50334 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh look, it's a perfect square! I wonder what its square root is. < 1373071872 498320 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :whence this number < 1373071891 375218 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I found its square root online, and then I found it by squaring its square root. < 1373071891 860259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 196882 < 1373071892 969977 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :196882: 2 7 7 7 7 41 < 1373071900 22779 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what about kmc hugz < 1373072081 194255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: ok but we still don't know its significance, right? < 1373072082 260067 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373072094 129872 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If that's the exclusive "we", then that's correct. < 1373072128 704936 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well if we exclude enough people... < 1373072147 398783 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There must be some set of people such that no person in the set is aware of the significance of that number! < 1373072179 156204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, the empty set, is one such set. There are probably others. < 1373072181 154527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :there might even be a way to prove that! < 1373072188 648729 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn zzo38 ruining our joke < 1373072206 793553 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oops sorry < 1373072214 69192 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is the least set < 1373072221 557018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan < 1373072225 85616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tell me a good fixed point theorem < 1373072232 623000 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :but who are we to judge the relative worth of sets < 1373072240 327520 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess brouwer's is too obvious? < 1373072246 978508 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we, the measurers < 1373072253 177777 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :banach's is where it's at come on < 1373072253 733675 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh the last google hit mentions the monster group < 1373072312 389346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although the variation in hits is rather impressive. < 1373072318 787370 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess most numbers do that. < 1373072320 195623 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm partial to the baby monster group tho < 1373072359 162937 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh 196883 gave something monster-related as the first hit < 1373072379 101120 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 196883 < 1373072380 507726 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :196883: 47 59 71 < 1373072388 747422 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :That number isn't much better. < 1373072424 669120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"" < 1373072427 669348 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1373072436 379134 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Robert A. Wilson has found explicitly (with the aid of a computer) two 196882 by 196882 matrices (with elements in the field of order 2) which together generate the monster group; this is one dimension lower than the 196883-dimensional representation in characteristic 0." < 1373072481 91162 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 196884 < 1373072482 536889 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :196884: 2 2 3 3 3 1823 < 1373072488 285898 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 196881 < 1373072489 652190 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :196881: 3 29 31 73 < 1373072503 418963 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :196882 seems to be the best number so far. < 1373072548 356926 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the large number of tiny prime factors for both 196882 and 196884 has some significance. < 1373072575 815251 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess 1823 isn't very tiny. < 1373072630 636554 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: i am partial to the brouwer fixed-point theorem hth < 1373072664 916211 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought you were total :'( < 1373072688 302097 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 488691 < 1373072689 694519 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :488691: 3 3 7 7757 < 1373072695 288596 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :just totalitarian, shachaf < 1373072704 822851 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 288691 < 1373072706 127157 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :288691: 13 53 419 < 1373072862 715078 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. 3^10 * 109 + 2 = 23^5. < 1373072873 826011 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure this is the most important theorem in the überverse. < 1373072905 362983 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The überverse is the collection of everything, including at least one thing that is not in the überverse.) < 1373072918 120606 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: don't fix what ain't broke < 1373072967 612846 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: O, so it also includes God (which, in turns, also includes the uberverse)? (or something like that; I don't know for sure) < 1373072969 379776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Higgledy Piggledy / Oërjan Johansen / Likes Brouwer's Theorem / "hoping that helps"; // Secretly, though, he's a / Totalitarian / Undersea wizard king / Munching on kelps < 1373073170 468897 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :It definitely contains God, yes. < 1373073252 582054 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :`factor 7153 < 1373073253 640124 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :7153: 23 311 < 1373073311 21482 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373073311 577675 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf++ < 1373073439 771720 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you think a mobius strip is one sided, or do you think a mobius strip is two sided but that both sides are the same side? < 1373073441 556025 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So for a = 2^19, b = 7153, and c = 3^12, we have d = 2*3*7153, or... < 1373073446 132350 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$calc 2*3*7153 < 1373073446 957623 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2*3*7153 = 42918 < 1373073447 771335 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Note that .calc is deprecated, consider using .c < 1373073456 84020 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think words don't actually mean things help. < 1373073481 547017 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure enough, c > d^(1+epsilon) for positive epsilon. < 1373073531 13399 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since when do we have a dvorakbot < 1373073543 667545 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 9:15 US EDT. < 1373073550 40672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :d.nl < 1373073552 837967 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :,day-o ircbi rb < 1373073561 510323 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's old enough to have a deprecated command < 1373073564 852613 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$c log c / log d < 1373073565 324139 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry, no result. < 1373073565 799382 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ekrpat < 1373073570 18421 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uhhh. < 1373073574 649255 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373073586 3242 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$c log (3^12) / log 42918 < 1373073586 607247 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2358948 < 1373073618 35637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: It doesn't? < 1373073628 121338 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesnt' < 1373073638 779658 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are you sure? < 1373073643 829937 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373073646 255183 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So despite its musical importance, this ABC triple isn't good enough for this list: http://www.math.leidenuniv.nl/~desmit/abc/index.php?set=2 < 1373073756 192380 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$c log 1024 / log 30 < 1373073756 950352 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :2.03795047 < 1373073850 714685 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait. If a = 24 and b = 1000 and c = 1024, then we have d = 30, don't we? That'd make this an extremely high-quality triple. < 1373073869 99879 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: good poem tdh < 1373073880 908767 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, duh, they have to be coprime. < 1373073898 230360 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So it's really a = 3, b = 125, c = 128. < 1373073902 932385 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$c log 128 / log 30 < 1373073903 459903 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.42656533 < 1373073940 454234 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently, the equality 3 + 125 = 128 was discovered by Benne de Weger in 1988. < 1373073959 108399 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very useful, we should thank them. < 1373073987 106015 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah! < 1373074029 978498 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know of three applications of this equality, two of them useful in music. < 1373074065 946404 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The first is that three major thirds are approximately an octave. The second is that 3 decibels are approximately a doubling. The third is that a kilo- is approximately a kibi-. < 1373075058 123180 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :scrabble doesn't know "quine" :( < 1373075095 221858 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need something to do for the next 17 minutes < 1373075100 311196 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's a proper noun hth < 1373075102 835890 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :porn < 1373075112 295469 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: like the kind of program. < 1373075121 277989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's named after the person hth < 1373075126 184907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a thing "sry" < 1373075151 453216 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't there a lot of common nouns named after people? < 1373075180 450797 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1373075196 855204 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, we call that kind of words sgeos < 1373075228 73089 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bikes, for instance, were clearly named after Bike. < 1373075241 973926 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes] < 1373075565 25161 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoovers are named after Phantom_Hoover < 1373075625 480463 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373076025 370447 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373078655 889668 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's a nonlinear f such that f³ = id? < 1373078783 370277 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.startrek.com/article/designing-the-romulan-dreadnought-warbirds https://encrypted.google.com/search?tbm=isch&q=babylon%205%20shadows < 1373078820 718076 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: domain? < 1373078856 246947 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't really care, just curious what it looks like. something easy like C would be nice i guess. < 1373078877 483653 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, what does "linear" mean on an arbitrary set? < 1373078900 52007 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, the domain is a linear space. < 1373078920 550803 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike is a linear space < 1373078947 728575 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bikelinear < 1373078961 516798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike's shed is the wrong colowr. < 1373078971 194229 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Therefore a linear space is a vehicle. < 1373078984 727410 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist 408 < 1373078986 226611 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist 408: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1373078988 381998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist (409) < 1373078990 9282 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist (409): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1373078991 166030 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bikecurious < 1373078991 315728 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: using the axiom of choice, divide the real numbers into three sets of cardinality c, putting 1, 2, and 3 in different sets < 1373079020 133451 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :let f_1 : S_1 -> S_2, f_2 : S_2 -> S_3, f_3 : S_3 -> S_1 be bijections < 1373079046 778336 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :erm, wait < 1373079048 609669 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :no f_# < 1373079051 218570 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no f_3 < 1373079060 771737 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :f_3 was my favorite :( < 1373079070 640766 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :then take f_1 \cup f_2 \cup (f_2 \circ f_1)^{-1} < 1373079087 887530 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :1 \cup < 1373079104 126949 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly nonlinear since 1 |-> 2, 2 |-> 3, 3 |-> 1 < 1373079126 707999 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and should be pretty easy to see that its cube is the identity < 1373079154 911152 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well. points for answering. < 1373079298 884143 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :f(1) = 2, f(2) = 3, f(3) = 1, f(x) = x for anything else also works >:) < 1373079309 318167 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me amend my question < 1373079316 649906 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :answers that aren't boring + suck < 1373079319 983354 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz < 1373079341 736026 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"a continuous one" would probably be what you want < 1373079348 496527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming that exists < 1373079374 912271 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which it might not, on R, i don't quite recall < 1373079407 770620 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also do you actually need AC for coppro's answer. it doesn't seem ACy. < 1373079420 748686 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm no you don't. < 1373079429 772496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well you don't *have* to use it < 1373079437 337481 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just throw it in there for the hell of it < 1373079440 365833 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it is coppro's axiom of choice, after all < 1373079447 803952 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i mean, (-inf,1] (1,3) [3,inf) < 1373079456 971649 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro chose to use it < 1373079504 822804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i vaguely think i've seen a reddit post asking this question. though it might just have been similar. < 1373079515 965285 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :twist: Bike is a reddit post < 1373079522 751219 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :!!!!! < 1373079549 678397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :4g5a6s7p < 1373079560 242337 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow that rainbow was p. bad < 1373079569 211368 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also inappropriate for the occasion < 1373079571 841428 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes < 1373079577 484456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :of course a continuous one on R would have to be monotonous < 1373079580 194932 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you need AC < 1373079587 429150 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: prove to me that you can break R into three sets with size c without it < 1373079594 626880 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just gave you an example. < 1373079619 458403 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_> < 1373079626 252078 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :look, a penis! < 1373079627 600137 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hides < 1373079629 653116 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least i don't /think/ you need AC for that < 1373079633 670029 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :spoiler i'm shit at zfc < 1373079651 327520 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i heard HoTT was better < 1373079661 703677 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm even shittier at hott, hth. < 1373079684 948615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't need any more AC than you need to construct the reals in the first place, anyway. by which i mean you can actually write "reasonably" simple explicit bijections. < 1373079709 574393 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: but that's so boring < 1373079787 298307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey oerjan do you know about T-algebras < 1373079795 959818 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm < 1373079845 272628 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh maybe that's the same as a T-module < 1373079849 119726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know about T-modules < 1373079857 199126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: another boring, yet continuous option is to modify f(x)=-x by just stretching the parts before and after 0 in such a way that it's not linear but cancels out < 1373079864 160122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1373079881 761265 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: that doesn't work for ^3 < 1373079900 984386 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: it doesn't? you don't have to stretch the same amount on each side... < 1373079922 680787 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: f^3 is not even close to id because it inverts sign < 1373079925 719088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1373079937 669454 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :can't just use a third root of unity instead of -1? < 1373079944 785210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm in that case f must actually be monotonic < 1373079974 682107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: fine if you use complexes it's just to do a distorded rotation around 0 < 1373079983 936392 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*distorted < 1373080008 88088 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*monotonic _increasing_ < 1373080034 679657 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: just say functor imo < 1373080040 136691 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: cannot say i recall the word T-algebra, no < 1373080160 168893 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, being increasing means that if f(x)>x, then f(f(f(x))) > x still, and vice versa for <. nope, continuous on R won't work. < 1373080207 337802 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so uh, why does it have to be monotonic, i misssed that. < 1373080207 907471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* f(f(f(x))) > f(f(x)) > f(x) > x < 1373080234 220719 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: every continuous bijection from R to R is strictly increasing or decreasing < 1373080249 627306 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. well then. < 1373080275 968843 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er... what about identity < 1373080278 487567 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :decreasing will give a decreasing third power, so won't work. < 1373080304 593144 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: except identity of course, which slips by because f(x) is neither > nor < x < 1373080367 814269 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should become one of those loons who collect pdfs on their hard drive < 1373080370 21416 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :like Bike < 1373080381 315619 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gimme a good paper manager first < 1373080392 270373 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFFGW8DLBrw < 1373080402 422043 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: imo you give me one < 1373080403 949851 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :checkmate < 1373080410 632435 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::( < 1373080431 924781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: also strictly increasing means that x < y => f(x) < f(y) in case you were confused by that f(x) > x thing which was something else following from it. < 1373080449 123685 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah i knew that much < 1373080454 72287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or contradicting it, rather < 1373080462 588692 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: what kind of functor is that < 1373080471 446215 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, fuck orderings, complexes are where it's at imo. < 1373080485 49012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: from the partial order category of R to itself hth < 1373080495 348153 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait so what's non-strictly increasing < 1373080525 961077 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you're allowed to have f(x) = f(y) < 1373080545 233897 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more like a functor to me < 1373080554 432611 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what kind of functor does it have to be to be strictly increasing < 1373080564 98656 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :faithful or something? < 1373080577 408456 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :invertible, of course < 1373080581 26811 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or wait < 1373080594 624464 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't have to be onto < 1373080607 118069 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373080619 593490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also continuity is also a stronger requirement. < 1373080623 253750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1373080641 583521 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :x such that f(x) < x is like an f-algebra < 1373080656 96762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is that ≤ < 1373080662 349908 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's ≤ :'( < 1373080667 549978 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :< is the devi < 1373080669 196001 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :l < 1373080673 562184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it is a (thin) ordering category, then you need to have less or equal, as the morphisms, I think. < 1373080699 630063 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: greater or equal would also work hth < 1373080706 516170 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that would also work < 1373080729 552813 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I have generally seen less or equal; of course then the opposite category becomes greater or equal < 1373080754 523061 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a monad in a partial order called again < 1373080770 420877 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh a closure operator < 1373080808 425886 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :f such that x ≤ f(y) iff f(x) ≤ f(y) < 1373080936 710506 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(f x -> f y) -> (x -> f y) is just =<< :) < 1373080947 773238 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373080957 76585 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you get the rest for free < 1373080975 692095 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373081003 673001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(x -> f y) -> (f * x -> f y) is just =<< :) < 1373081009 368362 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373081017 702913 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does a-star have to do with it < 1373081048 243107 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :my network connection broke down as i was typing < 1373081058 479867 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's a-star but a secondhand search algorithm < 1373081071 967148 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* (x -> f y) -> (f x -> f y) is just =<< :) < 1373081097 370790 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373081109 38925 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't worry i ignored what you wrote and just assumed you wrote that < 1373081112 592964 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think what happened is that it got so slow irssi thought the  was being pasted instead of going to beginning of line < 1373081130 294885 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think we've gotten pretty far from the original topic of things that aren't sucky < 1373081167 4874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm with Bike computers suck < 1373081184 318476 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a monad would be x less or equal to f(x) and f(f(x)) less or equal to f(x), for example, a bitwise OR by a constant, I suppose, would be it. Is that it? < 1373081204 619993 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah fuck computers. < 1373081209 808598 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/slow/jammed up/ < 1373081246 949484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: And also monotonically increasing. < 1373081250 930929 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because a monad is a functor. < 1373081301 393600 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, and a monad is a functor. I forgot that. I still think bitwise OR by a constant, works < 1373081340 512200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that's pretty much the direct definition of closure operation < 1373081361 229912 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1373081375 664329 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in particular x ≤ f(x) and f(f(x)) ≤ f(x) means that f(f(x)) = f(x) < 1373081386 894490 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :since f(x) ≤ f(f(x)) < 1373081391 164601 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So yes you do need x less or equal to y, then it must also mean f(x) less or equal f(y) which still bitwise OR has. < 1373081414 74818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, it must, I did see that too < 1373081507 804289 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A partial ordering is the same as a thin category. I suppose other mathematics things might also be considered as some kinds of categories, such as monoids as a category with one object, the paths of directed graphs as a category, etc < 1373081577 933953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No, a preorder is the same as a thin (small) category. < 1373081610 163779 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No antisymmetry required. < 1373081612 867331 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a skeletal thin category, then < 1373081679 391259 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is skeletal if no different objects are equal, I suppose. < 1373081685 883694 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION just realized that is a pun < 1373081717 915441 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: which is part of the definition of partial order < 1373081737 905657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I didn't know that. Now I know thank you < 1373081893 223489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're welcome < 1373081942 277283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i demand wisdom entries < 1373081944 88511 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp9llVV0aS4 < 1373081995 668150 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'A partial order is just a thin skeletal category.' >wisdom/'partial order' < 1373081999 683652 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373082029 199994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait doesn't it have to be small < 1373082039 527556 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'A preorder is just a thin category.' >wisdom/'preorder' < 1373082043 121189 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373082046 299788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :who cares about smallness. < 1373082062 471686 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you do < 1373082068 163934 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :admittedly that would make the pun even better. < 1373082077 500055 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'A partial order is just a small thin skeletal category.' >wisdom/'partial order' < 1373082081 17216 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373082083 166049 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :see? < 1373082086 886967 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'A preorder is just a small thin category.' >wisdom/'preorder' < 1373082090 391108 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1373082117 307728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? thin category < 1373082118 849188 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :thin category? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1373082119 193101 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                    | < 1373082119 395443 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                  º¯`\o < 1373082379 866789 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://milesmathis.com/ln.html jesus christ < 1373082510 173577 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now let us look at the derivative of 1/x. The current calculus treats this function as equivalent to x⁻¹, < 1373082572 481002 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION swats Bike for linking trivial crackpots -----### < 1373082594 298197 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1373082844 116992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is really broken. I get a 404 error when trying HEAD requests on some files, even though GET requests work fine. < 1373082878 660593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sue them < 1373082887 362017 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the only way < 1373082889 592663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was trying to find the exact size of a file without downloading it. < 1373082907 892174 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What if it's a different size each time? < 1373082929 344204 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In this case it shouldn't be a different size each time. < 1373082931 434318 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hmm http://milesmathis.com/ has some p. great results < 1373082934 530810 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :HEAD still shouldn’t 404. < 1373082942 108198 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"p. great" < 1373082956 857819 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. r. < 1373083006 838646 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yes, but for some reason it does on Google Code. Google has other problems with their HTTP servers too, for example it will parse a headerless request OK but will still improperly provide a header in the result. < 1373084398 766760 :upgrayeddd!uid2969@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-zeozbscqlkcxphde JOIN :#esoteric < 1373085255 285608 :Guest45049!~sacre@c-98-255-186-13.hsd1.ca.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Guest45049 < 1373085348 391512 :ssue__!uid5338@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kaopipwgszwjxssi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373085590 168508 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The VVVVVV level editor has scripting? < 1373085590 597893 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1373085627 739951 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373085631 539781 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1373085717 623483 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, doesn't sound tc from this tutorial < 1373086266 367261 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373086548 741240 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"flag(x,on) - turns flag x on. There are flags 0-99. Flag 67 shouldn't be used because of a bug. < 1373086548 891631 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :" < 1373086554 365788 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a peculiar bug < 1373086666 595454 :ggherdov!uid11402@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wonavjmwqjwqylxx JOIN :#esoteric < 1373087109 654575 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373087365 923715 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What might cause that? Overlapping buffers? < 1373087378 112109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Buffer overflow? < 1373087888 411109 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some interest to Famicom mappers using existing chips and not too much; I have defined some, which are currently unnumbered so they have the names "Mapper A" and "Mapper C". "Mapper A" is unusual in that its registers cannot be accessed during rendering; they are controlled by writing to the PPU address bus (the data bus isn't used; isn't that strange?) < 1373087935 113729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has sixteen registers, of eight bits each. Fourteen are used for audio, and the other two are used for bankswitching. (This means you cannot bankswitch during rendering.) < 1373088095 821500 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other mapper is "Mapper C". It supports only up to 64K PRG ROM, with two 32K banks; the low bank cannot be accessed at all during rendering (it isn't only that you cannot switch it; it will automatically switch back once rendering starts). Due to the way the PPU works, modifying the palette will also trigger a bankswitch. < 1373088168 373065 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mapper C also has 8K PRG RAM, but it doesn't act like the other mappers; it is mapped to $5xxx and $7xxx, with write-only mirrors at $1xxx and $3xxx. (Other mappers map the PRG RAM to $6xxx and $7xxx, with no mirroring.) < 1373088255 325732 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373088275 86268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In addition, there is CHR ROM bankswitching, although it bankswitches based on which nametables and/or tiles are selected, so it will switch during rendering; this allows up to 320 tiles (instead of the normally 256), although it becomes difficult to work with; it will automatically bankswitch after each scanline and you have to program the nametable to switch it back to what you need. < 1373088298 975057 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373088303 577772 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you recognize which ICs do this? < 1373088321 593355 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373088330 982699 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :My goal was to make this challenge quite hard but still do-able with a few different routes that you could use to exploit it. http://pastebin.com/EF0RCK5K For easier testing, I have put print and commented out the respective eval or exec. Just take away the comments on eval and exec for testing. < 1373088394 46369 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, let's see what that is. < 1373088470 309550 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does Python require the "else" block even though it only says "pass"? < 1373088538 78594 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the purpose of this program? < 1373088543 133096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what am i looking at here < 1373088554 687776 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: If you run it you will see ;) < 1373088647 869875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't getlist identity < 1373088683 647150 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373088687 51305 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, except there are other iterators, right. < 1373088706 534707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't it going to be 2? < 1373088723 962483 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373088724 555267 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :randomfunc is... yeah, what the hecks is the point of that. < 1373088940 79947 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The point of the challenge is to execute arbitrary code via input. < 1373088992 131581 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: O, OK, then. < 1373089009 186561 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Do you understand? < 1373089019 555666 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just give it a string with two chars of noise, and then all chars in aeiourstlnmp1234567890_*()'\' without ones. < 1373089021 923197 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know a lot about Python, so maybe I don't understand perfectly. < 1373089095 830884 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Example? < 1373089126 749960 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :..print('exploit :D') < 1373089129 380132 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does not work < 1373089142 231967 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has a space, which is stripped. < 1373089166 755876 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What? < 1373089177 9177 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :rem removes the space. < 1373089194 804637 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems it would remove a "x" too. < 1373089205 479096 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, yeah. < 1373089207 808624 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :print('eploit') < 1373089211 698657 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :would be the output < 1373089389 641109 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What you have to try execute is system commands < 1373089397 298951 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why. < 1373089401 254769 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or similar < 1373089410 753226 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That is the challenge < 1373089416 938088 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :notice eval? < 1373089427 775323 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes what about it < 1373089437 919672 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Eval is dangerous < 1373089462 790738 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shit. < 1373089498 777994 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You think you can get command execution? < 1373089518 837788 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably? i don't want to bother warping python through these weird restrictions. < 1373089529 303035 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, this was in ##crypto the other day. < 1373089546 906544 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes. < 1373089562 918407 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373089566 827531 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No one has been able to solve it as yet. < 1373089575 873390 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, i see, rem makes it a list again. < 1373089579 173023 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is the point of this thing. < 1373089582 879240 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is not encryption. < 1373089584 876813 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"one of those" < 1373089606 303202 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of those... what. "encryption" through stringing crap together? < 1373089758 787033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know python well enough to work out what fucking exception ends with this string. mafingre, your challenge is uninteresting. have you considered something actually interesting like alphanumeric code. < 1373089795 216371 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373089893 409737 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is not uninteresting, however it is somewhat challenging ;P < 1373089921 184617 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the challenge is navigating obscurely written functions and knowing ins and outs of python behavior. < 1373089979 296225 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that is what esoteric is all about? :P < 1373090017 826962 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec(rem(data)) so it ends up doing: exec(['p', 'r', 'i', 'n', 't', '(', "'", 'e', 'p', 'l', 'o', 'i', 't', "'", ')']) < 1373090037 737319 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, so it throws a "that's not a thing i can exec" exception, and if that exception ends with 'ctlist' it gets executed. < 1373090047 262962 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, well, i'm being pretty elitist, but there's a difference between problems for the sake of problems and problems that lead to interesting solutions, is what i'm saying. < 1373090062 853928 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :all you're going to learn from your problem is how to read weirdass python. < 1373090131 198342 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, actually, it does eval(e), e being an exception, and i would guess that eval of an exception object is just id. < 1373090399 749750 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373090468 10415 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you can't execute shit except through reverse hashing, and all that code is a noisy waste of time. < 1373090504 617625 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, try through reverse hashing < 1373090531 83618 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: What do you mean reverse hashing? < 1373090536 250035 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hashes cannot be reversed < 1373090575 633720 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Constructing input that sha512s into something useful. < 1373090585 415973 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, I return to: What is the fucking point of all this. < 1373090649 943365 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think he means "you kind of have to brute force your way to a program"? < 1373090654 634216 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Input such as? < 1373090666 937008 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes I'll just break SHA for you. < 1373090702 667858 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No, it does not require breaking sha1 < 1373090809 876493 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373090843 794595 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wait, you said ##crypto not r/crypto < 1373090856 424845 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :look at what it does closely < 1373090860 365864 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yea #crypto < 1373090905 243378 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Notice, no output is given when a sha512 hash is inputted < 1373090927 601100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373090950 606114 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, reddit.com/##crypto is the subreddit in question < 1373090953 578964 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373090962 321770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :O KAY < 1373090962 991814 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric : My goal was to make this challenge quite hard but still do-able with a few different routes that you could use to exploit it. http://pastebin.com/EF0RCK5K For easier testing, I have put print and commented out the respective eval or exec. Just take away the comments on eval and exec for testing. < 1373090997 888200 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh those aren't supposed to be commented out? < 1373091004 296729 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373091036 72238 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Correct < 1373091076 803139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :very well, then it might not be entirely hopeless :P < 1373091230 705105 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: You think you can do it? :P < 1373091286 190644 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not but... < 1373091308 57917 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but...? < 1373091337 476664 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have faith :) < 1373092103 118906 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: :D < 1373092546 448985 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well the eval path looks impossible to reach, unless some of the python functions used to construct data has an implausible corner case. < 1373092653 573870 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :exec seems easy enough, as long as you can stay within the character restrictions. < 1373092826 893705 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Manage to exec anything? < 1373093581 476585 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am wondering why something as trivial as ..print(2*2) isn't working :( < 1373093630 851076 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because rem("123") is ['1','2','3'] rather than "123". < 1373093662 290188 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. < 1373093714 755602 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION goes to add more print statements. < 1373093839 802885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well "exec: arg 1 must be a string, file, or code object" does not appear to end with ctlst < 1373094197 604287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: ok not even the _sha512_ path gets around that error. i give up. < 1373094241 483764 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have any reason to think i shouldn't be getting that message, you might want to tell so. < 1373094266 505383 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Did you try printing e? < 1373094273 296976 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :thats why you got that message? < 1373094288 373615 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373094310 280338 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or str(e), to be precise. < 1373094419 898423 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/5768684/what-is-a-python-code-object < 1373094505 749710 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373094526 527676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what? i don't see any way to construct one. < 1373094600 123366 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy, more python trivia. < 1373094686 695966 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__import__("os").system("rm -rf /") < 1373094692 372429 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :__init__? < 1373094809 155236 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: i am talking about in your program. < 1373094822 619700 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i need to eat before i kickban you. < 1373094822 866441 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :..print(2*2) < 1373094836 737269 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is neither a string, object, nor file < 1373094854 611346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: and so? < 1373094866 263114 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: That is why it won't execute < 1373094902 336489 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: i understand that. duh. < 1373094931 767471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what i'm saying i that there is absolutely no way of _getting_ something to eval or execute with your program. < 1373095003 766453 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure there is < 1373095082 680012 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In what version of Python? < 1373095116 234731 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :urg. not sure what I ate recently that was so bad, but I think my immune system was in a rush to get rid of it < 1373095116 729519 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Any, 2.7 i use < 1373095139 507416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i have 2.6.6 < 1373095165 908508 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you just kickban them now. < 1373095185 931647 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be unfair to do so when i'm hungry. < 1373095245 41517 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't kickban me bro. < 1373095272 800881 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: btw, how was trondheim, and why didn't you get oerjan more food. < 1373095289 8612 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, that was particularly terrible, even for me. < 1373095932 658415 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com < 1373097005 63435 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: does the python program need to be given input in a very special way? < 1373097054 974996 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, you cannot just type a string on the keyboard in any terminal? < 1373097112 763927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or can you really achieve an exploit simply by getting an ordinary string into inp < 1373097141 98775 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and does it matter which os < 1373097145 551011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or shell < 1373097205 410153 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: OS would matter < 1373097210 538303 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e linux or windows < 1373097215 649368 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 PRIVMSG #esoteric :they use diff commands < 1373097253 133727 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um i am talking about getting to the point before you actually get out of python < 1373097317 467674 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing is, i am having a suspicion that your challenge does not fit within my ideas of what its "rules" are. < 1373097363 407097 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you eaten yet < 1373097376 276152 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have eaten. he still doesn't make any sense. < 1373097413 146650 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am wondering if he has zzo-like qualities of simply not understanding other people's assumptions. < 1373097429 68030 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo is at least interesting. < 1373097432 855053 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373097537 492524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :mafingre: to put it bluntly, if i need to control the precise way the python program is run in order to control it enough to get an exploit, then i don't consider there to be a real exploit. < 1373097584 331498 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn am i making any sense myself. i probably should go to bed soon. < 1373097599 243631 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what else not make it a real exploit, is having completely unrealistic and pointlessly obfuscated design. < 1373097602 186635 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373097641 68101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. that's another thing. is it really essential to write len(x) - (len(x)-2) instead of 2 :P < 1373097660 809730 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, it just _might_ be but wtf... < 1373097719 599658 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well if i don't get a _real_ clue i'm giving up now. < 1373097740 202603 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(what mafingre has said so far hasn't counted as clues.) < 1373097796 912641 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also if i'm sounding slightly insulting it's because i'm suspecting the entire challenge is trolling.) < 1373097819 502669 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :trolling, pointless and terrible, what's the diff < 1373097827 578651 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :intention, Bike < 1373098243 870534 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION hugs bike? < 1373098315 521200 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i shouldn't get so pissy < 1373098427 828423 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's okay, you're allowed to be frustrated sometimes < 1373098522 187377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you feel your frustration building up, Bike < 1373098529 297559 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like right now I just realized I have some food in my hair, and I am trying to comb it out. and that is frustrating < 1373098534 363484 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you frustrated enough to 4kill < 1373098537 277555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hopefully not) < 1373098565 893907 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :frustrated enough to 4kill my tiredness. night y'all < 1373098583 344270 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :goodnight! < 1373098598 710184 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♞ < 1373098946 759386 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :neigh < 1373098952 531230 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyaaaa < 1373099603 609505 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi #esoteric < 1373099645 542915 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1373099649 174888 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf JOIN :#esoteric < 1373099654 960231 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo < 1373099698 869560 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373099728 147685 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373099733 291145 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1373099799 300435 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373100753 130577 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Gnit < 1373100797 316237 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373102934 776248 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373102993 618512 :kappabot!kappabot@unaffiliated/shachaf QUIT :Quit: requested < 1373103105 944874 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373105397 851762 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373105644 337725 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373107459 983053 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1373108070 842383 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net QUIT : < 1373108548 489716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is there so much #esoteric log < 1373108593 645923 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe so people can follow this channel even without being online all the time (e.g. having no irc bouncer) < 1373108636 782999 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373109085 292148 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:01:48 i wonder, way back in time, whether there were computers that tried hard to _keep_ a tcp connection open even if your network connection drops dead for half a second. seems like something you'd want to build into the protocol, really. < 1373109089 296741 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :00:03:58 (inb4 linux does hth) < 1373109092 674483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: this is what mosh is for :P < 1373110232 651014 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373110304 837466 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1373110311 806396 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no wisdom entry for @ < 1373110317 886963 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote @ < 1373110319 504299 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :84) fungot!*@* added to ignore list. AnMaster: i'd find that a bit annoying to wait for an ack. \ 231) lol @ closed character set standard "What does this codepoint represent?" "Nobody knows." \ 451) sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour \ 501) monqy: help how do I us < 1373110347 409202 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`learn @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour < 1373110350 856673 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :I knew that. < 1373111033 335745 :hiato!~hiato@41-133-149-74.dsl.mweb.co.za JOIN :#esoteric < 1373111579 652598 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373111705 532065 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ApolloEnergyRequirementsMSC1966.png < 1373111719 878512 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for fuck's sake nasa why the fuck would you use feet per second < 1373111989 445916 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1373112127 995 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Feet per second per second < 1373112165 791865 :Jafet1!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet NICK :Jafet < 1373112173 72528 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Jafet < 1373112185 178767 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Jafet < 1373112188 915407 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​07Jafe07t: 10Welcome to th11e internati13onal04 h02ub 05for e02sot05eric programming language de08sign and deployme07nt! For more information, chec13k05 out o14ur w07ik14i09: http://esola10ngs.org/04wiki/02Main_Page14. 09(F07o12r the09 o13ther k09in04d of esoterica11, try #esoteric on i12rc04.da11l.net.13) < 1373112200 377428 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373112258 454320 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :CAFs, hah. < 1373112281 144146 :mafingre!cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1373112505 340405 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh I thought mafingre had been here before < 1373112505 600905 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:39:44 --- join: mastring (cb3bb10f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.203.59.177.15) joined #esoteric < 1373112508 845078 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :20:39:57 Here's a fun challenge. Can you write a program which prompts for the number of elements and then displays and output like: http://pastebin.com/bnziw40r < 1373112511 847533 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but actually it was a slightly different name < 1373112515 804217 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I tried `pastelogs) < 1373112588 979672 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :02:41 I created a challenge: http://pastebin.com/Fttc7k4J I tried to make this hard as shit but still a little doable. Also change the print to the eval that is commented out. < 1373112601 801268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(##crypto) < 1373112735 315174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they might like challenges. < 1373112756 31139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the different nicks is a bit of a red flag... < 1373112783 555525 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :##crypto gets people who come in with puzzles semiregularly. < 1373112804 477819 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :puzzles as in "break this home-brew encryption"? < 1373112816 105594 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1373112823 928130 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks interesting < 1373112827 805444 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes the puzzle is just a long string of numbers. "No one I've given this to has been able to decrypt it!" < 1373112833 979631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :On occasion they're interesting. < 1373112841 952130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway I'm not even in ##crypto, so I wouldn't know. < 1373112847 657164 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what I'm wondering is how they found #esoteric :P < 1373112917 265929 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :I somehow enjoying making challenges... although it's hard to make them both feasible and not to easy < 1373112919 856731 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :How does anyone find #esoteric? < 1373112924 759451 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : /list < 1373112933 217752 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I'd rather not go through that < 1373112943 849720 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe through the wiki? < 1373112958 557783 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, finding #esoteric specifically to give puzzles ##crypto "rejected" or whatever is a bit weird. < 1373112981 497266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially since they haven't talked about esolangs or anything. < 1373114014 333551 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373114601 176906 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia JOIN :#esoteric < 1373114823 833127 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn33-047.rz.hs-offenburg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1373115037 667345 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373115223 349685 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373115336 840413 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373115388 565517 :hiato!~hiato@41-133-149-74.dsl.mweb.co.za QUIT :Quit: Nothing so gives the illusion of intelligence as personal association with large sums. < 1373115535 327263 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373115851 919247 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373115855 199855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"whoever wins here today, their life is gonna change, for the rest of their life" -- TV < 1373115876 786067 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :true wisdom. < 1373117448 290392 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :bless you tv < 1373117486 456187 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :blv < 1373119408 416476 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373119433 985082 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373119806 938230 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@vpn33-047.rz.hs-offenburg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373120255 787259 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently saying I'm short is the most popular thing I've ever done on Reddit < 1373121516 494787 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373124243 526832 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1373124531 604084 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to try playing VVVVVV myself < 1373124742 623130 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It supposedly installed but I can't figure out how to run it < 1373124757 287290 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you tried typing six vs < 1373124766 394461 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be my first guess < 1373124773 263275 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: come elliott < 1373124775 649686 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :command not found < 1373124780 454701 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's correctly pronounced "the letter V six times" < 1373124786 429607 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: have you tried typing the letter V six times < 1373124796 944272 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Caps doesn't help < 1373124802 79924 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm out of ideas < 1373124810 142597 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :try rebooting your computer < 1373124814 781056 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :and if that doesn't work, try a factory reset < 1373124817 832931 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the thing to find out what files are installed by a .deb? < 1373124849 519051 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :dpkg -L < 1373124867 246221 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ty < 1373124875 243280 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although clicking on the .deb also works < 1373124924 910408 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to do /opt/VVVVVV/VVVVVV < 1373125032 763242 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is clicking < 1373125036 661751 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you click on a file < 1373125096 333897 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think VVVVVV has a nice rhythm to it if you just say the letters though. < 1373125110 839746 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alternately: just make a really long vvvvvv sound. < 1373125283 747455 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :VVVVVV is probably easier if you know what's coming < 1373125289 238890 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I guess that doens't make it _easy_ < 1373125501 182764 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly hard either < 1373125509 798443 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless you're going for veni vidi vici < 1373125552 559169 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A Price for the Reckless is possibly difficult too even when you know how to get it < 1373125561 119005 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I do) < 1373125577 656612 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah < 1373125679 376304 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything in vvvvvv is easy hth < 1373125689 494508 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :- a dot action 2 player < 1373125762 883509 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man there's a level editor?? i gotta try it < 1373125789 398000 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The scripting is kind of limited though unless you use a dangerous hack < 1373125858 420907 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm dying on the simplest things. But I bet I can do veni vidi vici in one shot (I don't actually bet that) < 1373125926 750974 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh man i'm reinstalling it. bet i'll play through it all again before i even get around to the level editor < 1373126057 685705 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Three remain < 1373126063 75665 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://twitch.tv/nooodl < 1373126068 95621 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: mnoqy: vvvvvv stream! < 1373126076 287701 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And only 133 deaths < 1373126121 91055 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Going to watch noodle < 1373126126 244456 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err nooodl < 1373126149 22107 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: I don't want VVVVVV spoilers since I'm theoretically playing it recently :( < 1373126276 1394 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, should I wait around for your stream, or continue playing? < 1373126296 656607 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw something happen < 1373126297 956168 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm i'm gonna play the whole game < 1373126310 240154 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't mind spoilers < 1373126310 758172 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe if you haven't beat it play yourself < 1373126315 600285 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am very thoroughly spoiled already < 1373126331 619377 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the plot, like, at all important. < 1373126348 193104 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't want spoilers for how to do the rooms < 1373126398 968424 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've watched multiple LPs of people playing the entire game, so < 1373126491 127724 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Argh I don't think I want to do this level yet < 1373126599 656813 :function!~root@108-162.196-178.cust.bluewin.ch JOIN :#esoteric < 1373126599 845975 :function!~root@108-162.196-178.cust.bluewin.ch QUIT :Changing host < 1373126599 846104 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1373127021 335175 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that was the easiest trinket in the world < 1373127206 212407 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow getting trinkets on first try "really channeling the dot action here" < 1373127248 965811 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dude it's VVVVVV, it's not like it has a plot < 1373127270 247945 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also nooodl why are you streaming the word 'offline' < 1373127278 145406 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fuck. am i < 1373127282 706302 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about now < 1373127306 210650 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :now you're streaming the word 'online' < 1373127358 44958 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate a difficult chord so much < 1373127378 56569 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And one particular section of the tower < 1373127406 354632 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mostly hated that place you go to after finding vermillary < 1373127432 275057 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why does everyone bring Victoria to Intermission 1/ < 1373127453 54922 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm bringing ... the red guy < 1373127460 162690 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :As soon as nooodl's playthrough is done < 1373127915 900008 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :best bit of the game < 1373127920 277920 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :or best bit of the game? < 1373127934 551953 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is nooodle going for a full trinket run? < 1373127954 96186 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1373127987 919876 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :THAT SECTION < 1373127995 886445 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is what I had so much trouble with < 1373128002 877626 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And nooodl gets through without pain < 1373128043 315952 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :must get trinket < 1373128060 709024 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a teleporter by the entrance to that section I think < 1373128166 853048 :function!~root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :Quit: I found 1 in /dev/zero < 1373128229 375373 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm so bad at gravitron ._. < 1373128260 475361 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haven't gotten there yet < 1373128267 482838 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm right before first intermission < 1373128501 835316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm so worst at gravitron, too, I died like a million times. (Not watching.) < 1373128540 128799 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's this game? < 1373128558 488933 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VVVVVV < 1373128643 812346 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph, I keep losing that one thing I pasted once... here it is. http://pastebin.ca/2413195 < 1373128650 644550 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that it's likely I'll ever stop losing it. < 1373128866 795446 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that type for "whichever" correct? Pretty sure it isn't. < 1373128925 359563 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl is now doing veni vidi vici < 1373129126 391622 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl got the trinket! < 1373129137 195547 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :\o/ < 1373129137 495950 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 | < 1373129137 686988 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69 |\ < 1373129152 793269 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$newcard \o/ < 1373129153 89112 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Card 1: \o/ < 1373129153 241769 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69          | < 1373129153 391781 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69         /`\ < 1373129153 548117 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1373129153 746501 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           /< < 1373129178 123921 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$moveallto draw < 1373129178 620731 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cards moved. < 1373129183 102010 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :$list draw < 1373129183 451946 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Card 1: \o/ < 1373129183 815461 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69            | < 1373129184 7100 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69           /< < 1373129207 971069 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, may be about to do prize for the reckless < 1373129213 283735 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373129220 411667 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm remembering how it works < 1373129235 340521 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't look hard... but it probably is? < 1373129267 302916 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I should say anything < 1373129288 297487 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1373129307 204554 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1373129313 393787 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know the answer < 1373129319 210012 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373129328 274554 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want it < 1373129424 87293 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :/msg plz < 1373129435 314769 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I will, but only if nooodl wants the answer < 1373129458 245496 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it supposed to push me through?! < 1373129465 815939 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, uh, ok < 1373129467 241192 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dont tell me yet < 1373129487 378131 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1373129493 804891 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :keep in mind how checkpoints work though < 1373129512 137749 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the anwser... < 1373129544 308582 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a hint! < 1373129566 812418 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :If nooodl knew the answer once, then a hint is pretty much the answer < 1373129594 374186 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :congratuations < 1373129596 532451 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never knew < 1373129623 299232 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many trinkets left? < 1373129636 825060 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < 1373129638 763222 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think? < 1373129642 643586 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo check < 1373129647 678453 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the cleverest thing VVVVVV did < 1373129662 838730 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i feel dumb for not getting it myself tho :( < 1373129706 92255 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it helps you can feel angry at me instead < 1373129731 576199 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :tht < 1373129807 255368 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow fuck < 1373129810 280473 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought this was the secret < 1373129812 568064 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it's the main route < 1373129817 809638 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :its the main route yes < 1373129829 535817 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :p.sure youre meant to do that on vwitched < 1373129881 816198 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know one LPer who thought that was a bug < 1373130117 942423 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :im trying to sequence break this < 1373130122 193305 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :well < 1373130125 112976 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what i mean < 1373130131 905807 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that work < 1373130155 100051 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah it's probably not gonna < 1373130215 610654 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know where the rest of the trinkets are < 1373130217 539276 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think < 1373130224 798975 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, n/m we weren't able to watch some of the game < 1373130279 204957 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, so is that just a free trinket < 1373130286 44870 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think? < 1373130300 465821 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a mandatory trinket < 1373130308 687023 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a 'free' trinket < 1373130313 714966 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :time to find the last 3 < 1373130342 210120 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would offer to make suggestions, but it's possible you got those < 1373130363 25907 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1373130376 152075 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, if you want, I can help you find trinkets < 1373130378 859224 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: youre going the wrong way < 1373130417 279653 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love this trinket < 1373130449 168948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373130450 590090 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :eleph < 1373130451 230071 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and < 1373130452 349502 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :t < 1373130547 450905 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, I can't seem to stop calling you noodle < 1373130562 596924 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently this is a common thing Sgeo_ < 1373130638 147857 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wonder where the last two trinkets are... < 1373130644 939605 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know where one is < 1373130653 306138 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know you can get them put on your map right < 1373130657 446106 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how < 1373130663 497975 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talk to blue < 1373130670 283151 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh nice < 1373130678 592741 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err the stream stopped < 1373130682 557229 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :back < 1373130685 283063 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :offline < 1373130686 735834 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP < 1373130694 816206 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :WTF is going on < 1373130696 831640 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :commercial < 1373130700 880566 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now < 1373130707 120840 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :barenaked granola < 1373130712 870439 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it back up < 1373130739 257965 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :awww < 1373130750 185393 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a baby trinket < 1373130751 563410 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get through veni vidi vici when i wasn't looking < 1373130757 919217 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373130764 957745 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover, I announced when nooodl was doing veni vidi vici < 1373130769 281115 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FUCK this fullscreeny thingy < 1373130773 677737 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373130776 401505 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream paused < 1373130780 538722 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP stream < 1373130815 422756 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stream ressurected < 1373130819 245827 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Holy crap, if I scroll down too far on this webpage it crashes. this is beautiful. < 1373130839 93402 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :which webpage < 1373130847 425897 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.viz.com/sigikki/ < 1373130872 807355 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and pause < 1373130902 989772 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and still offline < 1373130917 677261 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:a158:4e65:1297:d15d JOIN :#esoteric < 1373130920 230163 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops i got it < 1373130923 746600 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1373130925 391948 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was the most boring trhinket though. < 1373130932 46871 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :literally the first one < 1373130941 654833 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did you get a prize for trinkets though < 1373130946 758303 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric : i'll look < 1373130950 305128 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no dont < 1373130952 629713 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :your streams down < 1373130957 860227 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about now < 1373130974 402145 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's up < 1373131032 777401 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :offline < 1373131036 39854 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :appropriate timing < 1373131060 166766 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fffffffcjmlnslmqeliapurz < 1373131082 341618 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it over < 1373131086 775535 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373131091 680923 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok it back up < 1373131098 121484 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wgat he heck happened < 1373131099 478169 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably donwnow < 1373131106 60010 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wnetupqzhgowmdifjpaoiezbgqwezoifae stream < 1373131113 482016 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the shit < 1373131148 590018 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i googled the record for the super gravitron < 1373131159 22666 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess how high the best i saw was < 1373131160 712297 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"two years" < 1373131164 182422 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two minutes < 1373131180 178011 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :two hours, actually < 1373131186 697134 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :beautiful. < 1373131199 653808 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :........stream..... < 1373131203 754368 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP stream < 1373131210 396530 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was going totally fuckin nuts < 1373131211 391371 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should go play myself < 1373131213 414763 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dont even know < 1373131240 618329 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1373131242 160105 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck < 1373131252 423616 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's actually 2 minutes < 1373131269 291588 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds more realistic < 1373131282 338318 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :except it's formatted as 1:51:46 < 1373131290 325221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's speedrunners for you < 1373131301 859405 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that last number is a decimal < 1373131474 856141 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kCbe6N16sk 5:41 < 1373131569 187496 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the red guy's dialog much better for intermission 1 < 1373131572 851164 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much less depressing < 1373131613 585969 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373131640 132311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"YOUTUBE RECORD (maybe world record)" < 1373131778 30015 :Zerker!~zerker@2602:306:bd53:9ef0:a158:4e65:1297:d15d QUIT :Quit: Colloquy for iPad - Timeout (10 minutes) < 1373131795 759047 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gravitron rhythm is barely faster than the music's. i'm going to kill something < 1373131801 915063 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373131826 423548 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i was thinking that too < 1373131944 118639 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a VVVVVV soundtrack ringtone these days. (Not that my phone ever rings.) < 1373131953 814592 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh the color rhtyhm is also different < 1373132144 941511 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: :/ I could call you sometime! (It will cost too much money but I have too much money) < 1373132175 709074 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you should give me all your excess money < 1373132179 186695 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can assure you it won't be a burden < 1373132188 407438 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll put you on the list < 1373132204 638668 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo give it to me < 1373132205 516361 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :am I going in your will < 1373132211 931970 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll make even less use of it than elliott will < 1373132216 635182 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: No worries, I can just play the song manually. < 1373132227 356992 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I would like all my money to go to elliott and Phantom 'underscore' Hoover" < 1373132234 898321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"they can fight each other over the relative proportions" < 1373132242 461385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i have the worst fucking attorneys" < 1373132275 533365 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm if kmc calls people I could set up one of those premium phone numbers and tell him it's my number < 1373132288 122281 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo this plan only gets more flawless by telling it while kmc is around. < 1373132295 188753 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :premium phone number...? < 1373132300 736125 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like with a high toll? < 1373132325 218112 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a fone sex line < 1373132327 282394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Leather seats, tinted windows, that sort of thing. < 1373132329 506081 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: like -- yes, what kmc said. < 1373132330 888579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but instead I just pay a lot of money to talk to elliott < 1373132340 175043 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :a good deal, imo. < 1373132341 28813 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is elliott sex < 1373132345 161977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though I never said I would be on the other end < 1373132355 508524 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just an elliott actor. < 1373132361 386900 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :/ctcp elliott PING +++ATZATDT1900FONESEX < 1373132380 381875 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: hmm, logically, I like elliott, but I don't like sex. therefore elliott is not sex! QED < 1373132383 437475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is probably too young to know Hayes AT codes........................................ < 1373132395 748136 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: a cogent argument < 1373132428 451860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recently set up an ee-bee "seller account" dealie, and it took maybe half an hour of guesswork to figure out in which format it wanted my phone number for the activation code dealie. (Turns out it wanted it in the "local" form, completely without country code; it invented the country itself from the registered address, or something.) < 1373132439 665340 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that moment when your modem is connecting and you can hear from the noises whether it got 56k or not < 1373132441 771070 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think +++ needs to have a pause after for it to work, I have read somewhere, for precisely that reason? < 1373132444 625781 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got an aristotle in the house < 1373132463 989781 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Not all modems require the pause, though. < 1373132473 974459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: yeah, there were some knockoff modems that missed this subtlety though < 1373132481 747165 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe to avoid patents, maybe out of general carelessness < 1373132511 389205 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :patents do seem to encourage innovation, but much of it is innovation on how to make things slightly worse to avoid patents < 1373132518 354980 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"ping -p [hex for +++ATH0]" used to hangup quite a reasonable fraction of dialup users. < 1373132526 52645 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373132545 727373 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, PNG was a patent avoidance thing, and it's better than GIF, right? < 1373132555 891488 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I guess similar things are not true in general < 1373132565 387224 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :PNG just uses DEFLATE compression < 1373132570 954526 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Better!? It's missing animations completely! < 1373132597 799100 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is better in some ways sure < 1373132598 597549 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, patents do sometimes cause people to avoid it to make somethinge better, although usually it isn't and I really think the time for patents being useful is gone now, and it would be better without < 1373132610 536275 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Actually now they do have animation PNG too < 1373132651 174153 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you referring to the (two competing) animated PNG specifications (APNG and MNG), or something that's actually in PNG? < 1373132671 377361 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hate ...Not as I Do < 1373132673 775554 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So much < 1373132675 68225 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think APNG won < 1373132693 287220 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MNG are music files used by Creatures < 1373132693 948997 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1373132716 300752 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNG is probably better anyways. < 1373132719 845638 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :DAMMIT < 1373132730 412399 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I guess, but it's still not quite ubiquitous. < 1373132778 812175 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Got past it < 1373132826 5140 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :Long live the fallen world | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373132870 411350 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: what's ee-bee < 1373132874 218007 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it estonian ebay < 1373132968 953140 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just the regular eBay. Kind of an "in-joke"; some lecturer used to refer to it like that. < 1373132969 103144 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Past Intermission 1 < 1373132978 228296 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1373133032 826554 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Took a while to parse the meaning, actually. "Bought something from the EB? What's that?" "It's this big web auction site..." < 1373133163 478669 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are a lot of string searching algorithms < 1373133224 277793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they're all named after famous people so I can't pick on that basis < 1373133353 110859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I did a string search algorithm benchmark report, with mooz (#esoteric person long ago), for this "labwork in programming" course. < 1373133386 984990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aren't they all named after multiple famous people, even? < 1373133430 261761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373133442 615563 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bitap is rad, imo. < 1373133449 967198 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some sort of a rule that you're not allowed to invent one alone, I guess. < 1373133450 470872 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least Corasick isn't famous outside of the algorithm < 1373133506 996820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: You just picked that because it's not anyone's name. (Or is it?) < 1373133545 792613 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott bitap johnson < 1373133614 526566 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be rad if there were a null-safe bytestring search function already in some C library that people have < 1373133657 630108 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's sarcasm right < 1373133670 754478 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like memmem? < 1373133788 729543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, that's useful < 1373133791 191013 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if it's fast < 1373133801 901171 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: no, I didn't know about memmem < 1373133805 634078 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a GNU extension but fuck it < 1373133824 626081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does strstr not work < 1373133836 131518 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :my bytestrings can contain nulls < 1373133847 987579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that's what you meant. < 1373133873 970305 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sourceware.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=5514 suggests that it uses (a variant of) http://www-igm.univ-mlv.fr/~lecroq/string/node26.html#SECTION00260 < 1373133890 376968 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which, by the by, isn't named after even one famous person < 1373133975 139542 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gravitron time < 1373134280 540247 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc..... glibc extensions are for bad people.... < 1373134305 873923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also evil is the name "bytestring" :( < 1373134319 528018 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you rather i called them < 1373134321 18664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :'vectors'? < 1373134322 670086 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just need to rescue green < 1373134332 601486 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then myself < 1373134353 708413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :q: is Sgeo_ tripping on acid < 1373134451 185442 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like he's playing VVVVVV < 1373134462 412729 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :As to why he's narrating it, acid may be the explanation < 1373134486 389544 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: maybe "bytes" though I guess that's kind of ambiguous < 1373134494 236270 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, they *are* strings, just not text strings < 1373134499 884968 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but everyone think "string" means "text string" < 1373134508 605642 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also often thinks "text string" means "ASCII string" < 1373134515 869106 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also often thinks "ASCII string" means "byte string" < 1373134527 701953 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and so we come full circle . . . < 1373134542 993445 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: that's why i qualified it, hth < 1373134584 61853 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :regardless of language restrictions it's not really "text" if it contains a NUL character is it < 1373134585 10279 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well a lot of people think e.g. Data.ByteString.ByteString is related to String < 1373134588 15154 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because of the String in the name < 1373134590 582766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373134595 347873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :if it was called Data.Bytes.Bytes they probably wouldn't < 1373134596 490146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt: people are wrong about Haskell, on the Internet < 1373134601 874022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data.Data.Data < 1373134719 434221 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly henning was right < 1373135393 287632 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 will often contain NULs < 1373135842 458941 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :So will just some binary data being used as a string, which it might sometimes be < 1373135848 488417 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Need to cheat to see where green is < 1373135865 842228 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf self how did I not see that < 1373135892 791262 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if there's a noticeable speedup from having the lengths beforehand. < 1373136024 658434 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sky Deutschland to broadcast adverts directly into train passengers' heads" news scares me < 1373136097 637568 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess KMP is linear anyway. < 1373136109 737043 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Can you wear a hat? < 1373136113 667151 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: stupid futurue < 1373136142 825064 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the way it works is just through vibrations in the windows, so if you lean on the window it's transmitted into your head. < 1373136199 784303 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, that is used for other purposes too; but maybe you can put padding, if you want to avoid the impact of the vibrations? < 1373136233 337350 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373136251 668422 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :make sure that hat is made out of tinfoil < 1373136264 549615 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :time-tested way to stop the corporations putting things directly into your mind < 1373136307 334626 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And you will need to put padding in it too. < 1373136457 625581 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still cannot believe I'm getting this far in VVVVVV < 1373136459 286722 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373136575 882370 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's double evil < 1373136578 928665 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not exactly I Wanna Be The Guy? < 1373136594 335446 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because it prevents you from sleeping, and/or beams subliminal adverts into your dreams < 1373136599 534198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is some pkd shit right there < 1373136622 578583 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :advert dreams sound exciting < 1373136623 809783 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is why you need a lot of padding. < 1373136624 598480 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :do tinfoil hats actually provide any shielding or do they actually just work like antennas? < 1373136662 599277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: Well, if you put padding inside as well as tinfoil then it might help a bit; I don't know. < 1373136676 679372 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i liked the justification < 1373136678 19370 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some people don't like advertising in general. But this is really a new technology. [It might] not only be used for advertising, but also for music, entertainment, mass transport information, weather reports and so on." < 1373136680 931504 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even then, you might need another thing too. < 1373136715 787468 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Well, yes, I suppose maybe someone can use it if you want to, but you should be allowed to ignore it. < 1373136833 236641 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes what i meant was: that's a terrible argument < 1373136884 697895 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, is this the bone conduction thing < 1373136966 930 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yah. < 1373137104 526609 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes you are right it isn't a good argument. < 1373137264 598130 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373137365 474051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: http://web.archive.org/web/20100708230258/http://people.csail.mit.edu/rahimi/helmet/ < 1373137564 559062 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373137755 684177 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373138797 254960 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :At The Final Challenge < 1373138862 622284 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373139042 6706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a rebuttal for On the Effectiveness of Aluminium Foil Helmets: An Empirical Study around. < 1373139089 159874 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://zapatopi.net/blog/?post=200511112730.afdb_effectiveness EQUAL TIME < 1373139170 536377 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hardest Room (with 126 deaths) < 1373139178 715119 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a nameless room < 1373139354 533160 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Goggel Glass has a bone conduction speaker, doesn't it? < 1373139474 261477 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373139550 703359 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now my resolution's scrwed up, don't know how to fix it < 1373139555 647717 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And all I wanted was a screenshot < 1373139556 576359 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dammit < 1373139572 787500 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't even see most of the screen < 1373139577 734244 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's like I'm zoomed in weirdly < 1373139591 743476 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will a restart help? Not like I can even see any eplies until more people talk < 1373139619 720036 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok shrunk down the XChat window < 1373139623 30014 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :HELP < 1373139624 665938 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :xrandr --mode WxY might help. < 1373139664 923127 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :That gives me the usage instructions < 1373139667 381090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly it needs an --output OUTPUTNAME too, I don't know how it works. I'm sure your desktop environment has GUI things for resolution configuramation. < 1373139697 259849 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't really reach anything in my desktop environment right now < 1373139705 417607 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"xrandr -q" for a list of modes, then "xrandr --output DVI-1 --mode WxH" is something you could try. < 1373139721 240707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Where WxH is a suitable resolution, and DVI-1 is picked from the output of xrandr -q. < 1373139815 967022 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that worked, thank you < 1373139867 848973 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I lost my save < 1373139876 237101 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :After I killed VVVVVV < 1373139996 377131 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: oh, the hardest room thing is a bug < 1373140007 266471 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the Gravitron, I think < 1373140344 357997 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :The most common command I use with xrandr is xrandr -s 0 < 1373140356 382127 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which basically sets the current monitor to the highest resolution < 1373140565 680970 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's one from the pre-1.2 multiple-outputs era. < 1373140768 883265 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl, have you played any of the player levels? < 1373140776 606194 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm making one < 1373140778 881476 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cool < 1373140934 883769 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's very dot action < 1373141184 770740 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does "dot action" mean? < 1373141254 960422 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: hah! as I suspected, a conspiracy to get better antennas on conspiracy nuts < 1373141576 409573 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, it's a game < 1373141766 973966 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :a platform game that bleeps a lot? < 1373142106 822344 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373142157 786168 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, then I think I played it ... it blept a lot < 1373142348 325056 :dvorakbot!~dvorakbot@c-107-5-152-253.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373142937 790508 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It also only has dots. < 1373142940 303121 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373142949 677989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was much of a topic of discusson on #esoteric a while back. < 1373143545 155741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If ion can do it... < 1373143555 88959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Chipophone http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1pchpDD5EU < 1373143587 355029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For some reason, #2 of top comments -- "I'M THROWING MONEY AT THE SCREEN BUT IT'S NOT WORKING PLZ HELP" -- sounded a bit like elliott.) < 1373143681 859892 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that might be even better if it were pressure sensitive < 1373143749 919698 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :although chiptunes kind of abstracts in other directions... < 1373143759 720795 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I looked up "tin foil hat" in Wikipedia, to try to understand? < 1373143852 55464 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: I've played (not beaten) all of the featured levels from the Terry's blog... you do run into poor scripting making it impossible to beat things sometimes... also sometimes you run into things that are very difficult for humans. < 1373144146 21171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I doubt a tin foil hat would work by itself, it might even cause more problems, but something more complicated might work. < 1373144157 382789 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373145724 266528 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373145741 960801 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373145761 336399 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373145803 207343 :oonbotti2!~oonbotti2@dsl-olubrasgw2-54f863-165.dhcp.inet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373147170 248412 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373147213 706610 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373147369 706682 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373147713 672218 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the name for the thing you get if you take a cube, tessellate each face to four squares and then push all vertices out so that they lie on a sphere... oh, a deltoidal icositetrahedron, perhaps. < 1373147790 445764 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Names of polyhedra are really funky.) < 1373147887 761215 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean... great disnub dirhombidodecahedron, anyone?) < 1373148147 898573 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that an actual -hedron? the great ditrigonal dodecacronic hexecontahedron is < 1373148189 268291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the great disnub dirhombidodecahedron, it's real enough to have a Wikipedia page. < 1373148212 202656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Some authors do not count it as a uniform polyhedron, because some pairs of edges coincide." < 1373148227 424265 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it doesn't seem to be listed on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Polyhedra < 1373148247 61000 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_disnub_dirhombidodecahedron "Categories: Uniform polyhedra" < 1373148260 605246 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What kind of crazy bastard puts checkpoints on disappearing platforms??? < 1373148325 986103 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Category:Polyhedra includes its subcategories in the list of pages. < 1373148402 76434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I mean, "Cube" is not in Category:Polyhedra either, because it's in the Uniform polyhedra/Regular polyhedra/Cubes subcategory instead.) < 1373148431 627115 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a "Fictional cubes" subcategory of that. < 1373148442 280767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Including the gelatinous cube, and the Cosmic Cube. < 1373148457 339112 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and timecube? < 1373148473 810029 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not in there; there's only six fictional cubes. < 1373148477 779501 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :time cube is real! < 1373148490 872098 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, unless you count the Marvel Comics Cosmic Cubes further subcategory. < 1373149500 252969 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"A null pointer error? Seriously? Programming languages with THAT primitive design flaw were abandoned centuries ago. Something funny is going on." < 1373149504 837222 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like this person < 1373149558 113697 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373149687 477170 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which world fell an why did no one tell me < 1373149694 875927 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*and < 1373149743 933425 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :SYNTAX ERROR: THE > OPERATOR IS NOT DEFINED FOR ARGUMENTS APPLE, ORANGE < 1373149840 623452 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : oerjan: this is what mosh is for :P <-- most wouldn't be _necessary_ if tcp/ip worked properly in the modern internet. < 1373149881 986101 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*mosh < 1373149911 649468 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't tell me widow's spell checker sneaks into putty too. < 1373149929 3137 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i was going to correct "widow" then realized it didn't deserve it.) < 1373149942 648979 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, tcp/ip didn't really anticipate such high latency or roaming, I think. < 1373149968 998333 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i _have_ turned off the spell checker btw, but some places _still_ ignore that) < 1373150028 275710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: i don't agree, TCP/IP doesn't roam no matter how blissfully premodern your Internet is < 1373150057 97703 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or do you mean just in some particular case < 1373150073 68316 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mind you i am _not_ actually roaming, my laptop is just sitting there and still the wireless breaks irregularly :( < 1373150089 830294 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so yes, some particular case. < 1373150128 209960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well mosh also has the benefit that after a long drop, it doesn't have to resend all the traffic it was trying to send you before, just sync the current state < 1373150144 237071 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which isn't really compatible with TCP's model of an in-order reliable data stream < 1373150162 193701 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373150191 715591 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although tmux also does that part, i assume. < 1373150357 778060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm all this basically happens because humans are incapable of designing a complex system without bugs. ok that's trivial, but still depressing. < 1373150378 716948 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or rather, a system with complex intertwining goals. < 1373150382 659381 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet cockroaches are way better at it < 1373150403 733470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so just set off the nukes right away, you mean? sounds plausible. < 1373150449 209682 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is another benefit of mosh < 1373150454 157505 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :in that it gets oerjan to switch to linux < 1373150477 828989 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think it's either sufficient or necessary for that, elliott < 1373150522 552185 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :how much is the "sufficient" part helped by a crazy zealot coming to trondheim armed with an installation CD and an axe < 1373150568 991011 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i suppose if that actually happened, it might work. < 1373150642 595887 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now how about without the axe < 1373150655 293843 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nah, bring the axe, it will be amusing. < 1373150665 440402 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok but you have to buy it for me < 1373150678 765015 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a problem. < 1373150699 346470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you see, i don't even manage to buy cds, how do you expect me to buy an axe. < 1373150714 533214 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: TCP/HIP hth < 1373150729 594405 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :HTH/IP < 1373150772 216800 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a HIP guy at the university's telecommunications lab, AIUI. < 1373150787 30043 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run mkdir wisdom/hth; learn HTH/HIP is the official #esoteric network protocol. < 1373150790 682770 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :mkdir: cannot create directory `wisdom/hth': File exists \ /hackenv/bin/learn: 4: cannot create wisdom/hth/hip: Directory nonexistent \ I knew that. < 1373150791 328400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i need to pay 3 pounds just to adjust the right device's audio volume, how fucked is the world on a scale of 0 to 14.7 < 1373150796 934935 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1373150801 589259 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops that's a problem. < 1373150804 363586 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is a fantastic pair of errors < 1373150814 316946 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1373150816 388056 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1373150831 561344 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: answer the question < 1373150840 914670 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know about questions < 1373150842 126459 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or answers < 1373150903 743711 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how fucked is the world. < 1373150914 295065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we can renormalize your answer to the correct scale < 1373150985 922807 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://infrahip.hiit.fi/index.php?index=about <- they made this, though I don't really think HIP's going to hip it up. < 1373151108 89536 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it possible to make a fair 5-sided die? < 1373151127 786075 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder what prompted "(In Chinese: zhu-ji shi-bie xie-yi)" < 1373151156 178490 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: did you decide yet < 1373151183 117074 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know, did you answer my trondheim question yet! < 1373151200 484465 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what was the trondheim question? < 1373151219 851764 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you might want to ask oerjan instead of elliott (hth) < 1373151234 461434 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why didn't you (elliott) feed oerjan more on your (elliott's) trip (so that oerjan would have the energy to ban that one person) < 1373151243 156381 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :*elliohth < 1373151250 687526 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey I gave oerjan valuable information about that one person in the logs. < 1373151267 195053 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of drugz was that trip made of < 1373151326 870218 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"There are two varieties of this level an easy version and a hard version but Id strongly recommend avoiding the hard version unless youre an IWBTG veteran or something. In any case, the easy version is only easy in a comparative sense its actually pretty bloody hard I died 639 times in my playthrough!" < 1373151444 957794 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this inforation isn't as valuable as food, imo. < 1373151524 230202 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373151618 903249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i already had figured it was the same as that spiral guy < 1373151624 866008 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hip Transfer Hrotocol < 1373151625 656795 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373151630 813843 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I assumed it was the exact same name. < 1373151639 122558 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the use of different names makes my troll-o-meter go up. < 1373151670 47662 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the spiral thing was nice < 1373151720 113740 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? hth < 1373151722 245348 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. < 1373151989 813208 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :map ((`mod` 3) . subtract 2 . (2^)) [1..] < 1373152001 206397 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((`mod` 3) . subtract 2 . (2^)) [1..] < 1373152002 408066 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,2,0,... < 1373152014 906803 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's a rather simple pattern < 1373152082 275775 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is the resolution and data specification of joysticks of the computers at the time of Infocom? < 1373152121 938453 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> map ((`mod` 3) . (2^)) [1..] < 1373152122 808787 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,1,2,... < 1373152280 422767 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Powers of two are never divisible by 3 < 1373152293 311357 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is what you'd expect from unique factorisation thing < 1373152297 276184 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed < 1373152307 781711 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373152313 269413 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but what was the purpose of the subtract 2? < 1373152342 510604 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :To see which powers of two minus two were divisible by 3 < 1373152365 726520 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :At least C64 sticks (presumably more or less contemporary with Infocom) are -- I believe -- overwhelmingly just digital (four directions), despite there being pins in the control port hooked to SID's two 8-bit A/D converters. < 1373152390 932544 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote patents do seem to encourage innovation, but much of it is innovation on how to make things slightly worse to avoid patents < 1373152394 339296 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how you'd prove \n -> 2^(2*n-1) `mod` 3 == const 0 < 1373152395 554335 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1067) patents do seem to encourage innovation, but much of it is innovation on how to make things slightly worse to avoid patents < 1373152402 547845 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, but all powers of two minus two are 0 which is divisible by 3 < 1373152406 753233 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For all positive integers n < 1373152527 998853 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: 2^(2*n-1) = 4^(n-1)*2 == 1^(n-1)*2 = 1 (mod 3) < 1373152544 779258 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1373152549 558913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :* = 2 < 1373152605 772398 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't think your reasoning is very correct < 1373152622 150122 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: um yes it is? standard congruence calculation... < 1373152632 394791 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :== stands for congruent < 1373152638 347346 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n - 1) `mod` 3 in f 3 < 1373152639 260694 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1373152640 643217 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n - 1) `mod` 3 in f 2 < 1373152641 605797 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1373152642 699641 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n - 1) `mod` 3 in f 1 < 1373152643 657177 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1373152644 597327 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: uhhh do you have a phd < 1373152647 46624 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think not < 1373152654 895249 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: indeed, i have a dsc < 1373152661 955117 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I just meant 2*n rather than 2*n - 1 < 1373152664 436713 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :stands for Doesn't know Shit or Crap < 1373152699 977036 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: in which case, 2^(2*n) = 4^n == 1^n = 1 (mod 3) < 1373152722 777789 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373152743 28868 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :guys, I'm making a tilebased game, how many Z layers should I have? < 1373152744 237453 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n) `mod` 3 in f 1 < 1373152745 107506 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1373152747 547451 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n) `mod` 3 in f 2 < 1373152748 502177 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1373152749 492039 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f n = 2^(2*n) `mod` 3 in f 3 < 1373152750 405336 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1 < 1373152753 31397 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yeah, that's right < 1373152756 512334 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :But your first one wasn't < 1373152784 134963 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOMADWarrior: surely there is a more appropriate channel for this. < 1373152801 3073 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :#gamedev is too slow < 1373152804 580266 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's what you meant by * = 2 < 1373152808 792039 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was confused about that < 1373152817 497332 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOMADWarrior, 36 < 1373152828 613039 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :GOMADWarrior: so, in other words, yes, and you already know about it. < 1373152834 841784 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok, that's a good number < 1373152843 671420 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ok, now prove P != NP < 1373152845 482557 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many are underground? < 1373152852 28428 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :52 < 1373152860 125899 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :< 36 < 1373152864 440492 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-52 < 1373152889 477476 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 < x < 36 < 1373152907 492135 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: i'll have to invent an unnatural form of proof first < 1373152970 664403 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Such as ! = N? < 1373152992 607696 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :And of course, in this case multiplication is commutative < 1373153050 509024 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: another thing to note is that 2^(n+1) = 2*(2^n) == 2*(2^n `mod` 3) (mod 3) so going from n to n+1 is like a finite state machine. < 1373153052 511520 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :P != NP == P N= NP == NP = NP, refl < 1373153088 690544 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I see < 1373153109 183872 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this of course also works for other values of 2 and 3 >:) < 1373153158 924351 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as 5 or 8 < 1373153159 956106 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and euler's totient function gives you a way to find a cycle length, although not necessarily optimal < 1373153163 434054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373153217 68499 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the carmichael totient function? < 1373153275 93268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :um it's not his totient function i think, it's his _conjecture_ < 1373153283 548387 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also first time i heard of it. < 1373153344 780638 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmichael_function < 1373153382 724956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carmichael's_totient_function_conjecture < 1373153418 402761 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.180.217 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373153462 87776 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: oh aha. well that still doesn't solve the problem for a _given_ a. < 1373153512 267523 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which may vary for the same n. < 1373153531 988422 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(for one thing, a=1 always has m=1) < 1373153640 650331 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 10 < 1373153657 158370 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION pokes lambdabot < 1373153660 621541 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 3 < 1373153662 867249 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1373153709 275508 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 1 < 1373153712 33185 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1373153714 22593 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 2 < 1373153715 217053 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1373153716 492545 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 3 < 1373153717 654382 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 127 < 1373153720 316189 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 4 < 1373153721 299387 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 < 1373153726 539380 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let f 0 = 2; f x = 2^(f (x-1)) - 1; in f 5 < 1373153746 477503 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Can you prove this function is prime for all naturals x? < 1373153750 48438 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or otherwise < 1373153833 203599 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :did lambdabot give up < 1373153839 681641 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes < 1373153849 354333 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It just isn't saying it did for some reason < 1373153867 669905 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :2^170141183460469231731687303715884105727 is a pretty big number < 1373153873 294346 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably caused by > 'b':cycle"adonk" (in another channel) < 1373153909 128521 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Requires 170141183460469231731687303715884105728 bits to store naively < 1373153918 370640 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is how many petabytes? < 1373153923 768004 :GOMADWarrior!bade2fc0@gateway/web/freenode/ip.186.222.47.192 PART :#esoteric < 1373153949 123088 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 170141183460469231731687303715884105728 / (1024^5) < 1373153950 57604 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1.5111572745182865e23 < 1373153955 524476 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :A lot of petabytes < 1373153973 104076 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of lotsabytes < 1373153995 506863 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> length "2^170141183460469231731687303715884105727" -- i have an idea re: storage < 1373153996 396001 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 41 < 1373154001 11265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: well you _maybe_ could try the lucas-lehmer test on that last one, i'm not sure how big mersenne numbers can be handled currently < 1373154013 509785 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well now you have to store ghc < 1373154019 844553 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: and how many petabytes is that < 1373154026 886637 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: f 5 is probably too big < 1373154031 372421 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that many, imo. < 1373154042 367179 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: now i have to line words up... < 1373154050 81903 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't. < 1373154059 545296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: yes i do. this is how it works < 1373154069 879917 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: thank you for your coöperation < 1373154076 983296 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :öõō < 1373154079 195399 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :n < 1373154088 588913 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373154122 864979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how long does this thing go on < 1373154133 181543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it gets tiresome after a while < 1373154143 432736 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :41 < 1373154148 699496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :does lucas-lehmer require actually storing the number itself < 1373154177 353935 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: are you sure you don't mean 36 < 1373154203 125782 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: since these lines are 36 chars < 1373154213 90990 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh hm right it would require numbers of similar size, at least < 1373154245 680932 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373154334 404031 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whomever proves f is prime for all naturals, will probably be very highly regarded < 1373154349 676659 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: do i really have to say "Bike" < 1373154360 553596 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: or is it just 36-letter lines? < 1373154377 851796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: btw is dropping '?'s cheating? < 1373154479 947601 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: is this an unsolved problem? < 1373154512 844098 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: hi < 1373154520 477141 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think you can drop the bike if you're e.g. not talking to bike < 1373154523 787287 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd imagine you could at least do some trial division on f 5 < 1373154539 270435 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: ok i'll stop < 1373154541 318345 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I believe it's unsolved < 1373154555 447488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe we could set up a bot to kick you when you say something with length not 36 < 1373154599 205814 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you pad with spaces? < 1373154643 103372 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe set up a bot to kick shachaf if he says too many consecutive lines of the same length < 1373154654 630459 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: good bot < 1373154656 394785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: "It is not known if c_5 is prime, but it is known that it has no prime factor less than 10^(51) (Noll; private correspondence with C. K. Caldwell, Aug. 10, 2003)." < 1373154674 521549 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Source: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Catalan-MersenneNumber.html) < 1373154681 340799 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 10 1000 < 1373154682 247962 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 24 < 1373154708 324689 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("private correspondence" is the best reference.) < 1373154711 408032 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 3 < 1373154712 294609 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1373154714 858026 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Why are they just digital even though it has analog wires in it? < 1373154716 258709 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 5 < 1373154717 135697 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : can't find file: L.hs < 1373154719 598418 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 5 < 1373154720 576112 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 3 < 1373154724 166238 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 7 < 1373154725 80247 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 2 < 1373154728 688313 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 11 < 1373154729 748829 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 7 < 1373154732 499319 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 13 < 1373154733 459855 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 11 < 1373154736 22225 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: This will take very long < 1373154737 549397 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727 17 < 1373154738 425777 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 9 < 1373154740 38004 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know you could like < 1373154747 963490 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :automate it? < 1373154751 905894 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :do some programming? < 1373154755 69267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: I like how you subtly messed up ion's blah score. < 1373154768 686622 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, here is the list of computers which Infocom has assigned ID numbers for Z-machine story files: DECSystem-20, Apple IIe, Macintosh, Amiga, Atari ST, IBM PC, Commodore 128, Commodore 64, Apple IIc, Apple IIgs. < 1373154786 30521 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: hth < 1373154798 254716 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in elem 1 $ map (pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727) [19, 21 .. 99] < 1373154799 113095 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1373154818 844551 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know how the joysticks work on these computers? < 1373154823 397139 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in elem 1 $ map (pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727) [101, 103 .. 999] < 1373154824 660400 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : False < 1373154834 32706 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in elem 1 $ map (pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727) [101, 103 .. 99999] < 1373154837 657958 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1373154840 617912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> let pow2mod 0 _ = 1; pow2mod n m | odd n = (2*pow2mod (n-1) m) `mod` m | otherwise = (pow2mod (n `div` 2) m)^2 `mod` m in elem 1 $ map (pow2mod 170141183460469231731687303715884105727) [101, 103 .. 9999] < 1373154842 147648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: If that's testing the next number, did you notice I mentioned it's been tested up to 10^51? < 1373154844 242252 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : mueval-core: Time limit exceeded < 1373154845 920276 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: IBM PC would probably use a game port < 1373154856 896065 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: NO I DIDN'T O KAY < 1373154868 986235 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Atari ST had its own connector, and I think Commodore 64 and 128 did too < 1373154874 349756 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-87-180.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tested for all reals up to 10^-51 < 1373154892 398918 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if the DECSystem-20 had joystick options < 1373154931 603777 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1373154933 120979 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :535) Second Life is like... real life, modelled by people who've READ about real life, you know, in books. < 1373154940 993767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I don't know why they didn't do analog joysticks that much, they just didn't. There were paddles connecting to the control port that did use the A/D lines. < 1373154983 715451 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the PC joystick is analog right < 1373155000 828734 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For PC, it depends < 1373155014 313109 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are many different joysticks < 1373155015 649531 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean the original joystick port joystick < 1373155021 776741 :FreeFull!~FreeFull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think usually analog < 1373155027 672290 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How many bits? < 1373155039 92602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :axes are potentiometers, hardware reads it by discharging a capacitor through them and timing how long that takes < 1373155045 799885 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i think that act is about drugz, not computer hardware < 1373155048 865562 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a very cheap form of ADC < 1373155052 192478 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: axes are used to cut down trees < 1373155065 259519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw you can do the same to make a touch sensor on a microcontroller < 1373155071 753608 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :using just two I/O pins and one big resistor < 1373155077 280503 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a bit of wire or a plate to be touched < 1373155085 169947 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a bit different but similar < 1373155095 944098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: lovely quote < 1373155101 966462 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you toggle one of the pins and see how long the other takes to change, and that depends on the capacitance on your plate etc. < 1373155113 304444 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: thanks, standard quote fee applies < 1373155120 494831 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :address the cheque to hexham < 1373155128 821933 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean what is the format of the data that is available to the computer program? < 1373155192 690868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think in the original PC joystick interface, the timing kmc mentioned was done in the software.