< 1373328005 687847 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Image formats tend to be designed in a way I can only describe as "malicious". < 1373328061 745325 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :parsers in general are hard to get right < 1373328078 778531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Well, some of them are, anyways. There might be better ones too, possibly. < 1373328079 766495 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And DEFLATE is terribad. < 1373328082 174816 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially when you're writing them in fucking C < 1373328094 546244 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yess. < 1373328098 584972 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what's bad about your gif thing? < 1373328131 243957 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :The language of all gifs, for instance, is likely context-sensitive, and I'm sure many other formats are Turing-complete. < 1373328133 666909 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Especially as used in PNG. Gotta love using multiple endiannesses! < 1373328148 270384 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello there, Microsoft Office macros < 1373328149 243163 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :agh. < 1373328150 449510 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And two checksums. (sigh) < 1373328203 981076 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmmmm i have to make an xml based bitmap image format < 1373328218 73929 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: I think someone already did that. < 1373328229 392164 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1373328235 459976 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And shit, even BMP is friggin' awful. < 1373328267 129308 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbm: the only good image file format < 1373328279 841122 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1373328282 630214 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :BMP is pretty straightforward, if you use it in the way you'd expect < 1373328293 133278 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :namely, standing on your head. < 1373328298 486731 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I looked and I can see it isn't very good, and it could be improved. PBM is pretty good if you don't need compressed, but even with PBM, it uses ASCII numbers even when using binary PBMs, which doesn't make a lot of sense. < 1373328312 468915 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, also without any extensions or weird flags, etc. < 1373328314 727628 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about xbm!! < 1373328326 808994 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, it's mostly just really slow and stupid about things < 1373328341 398914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ping < 1373328341 549397 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet it could be improved by ""orders of magnitude" < 1373328341 864173 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway, the best lossy formats involve lots of analysis of human vision. < 1373328344 221936 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow xbm is source that's right < 1373328346 37119 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo that rules < 1373328348 204765 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Yeah, I'm not too fond of that bit. Though it still beats most other stuff a lot. < 1373328362 630101 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: katla has no reason < 1373328372 843629 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'd never use binary pbms < 1373328377 4188 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, I agree. < 1373328388 28490 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: BMP is practically made of weird features. < 1373328400 444011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Text PBM format can be processed by TeX macros, though. < 1373328400 634906 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :pbm has always been "that easily readable/writable ascii image file format" for me < 1373328417 471932 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I was trying to make a panorama, when somehow THIS happened: http://db.tt/LhfMRoNz < 1373328420 363005 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl_: Binary PBM is equally easy to read/write FWIW. < 1373328426 215760 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :not by humans < 1373328427 989079 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it took all images and put them on top of each other < 1373328432 189363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe < 1373328432 340069 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well no. < 1373328458 775930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks surrealistic < 1373328480 314841 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :obligatory, also, http://notanumber.net/archives/54/underhanded-c-the-leaky-redaction < 1373328482 164077 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :binary pbm is the best < 1373328501 425236 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I can't get that panorama to render properly, it looks just fine in hugin's preview window. < 1373328508 385159 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a great panorama < 1373328549 826807 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/050813Panorama/Bad%20Panorama%201.jpg you've seen the panoramas of hell i hope < 1373328567 685211 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sec < 1373328572 189687 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ouch < 1373328579 759879 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/050813Panorama/Bad%20Panorama%2011.jpg ready to run < 1373328591 251490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373328611 95618 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and of course the classic http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/050813Panorama/Bad%20Panorama%206.jpg doge < 1373328618 72573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, Those things can at least be fixed by masking out one version. < 1373328692 927468 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love doge < 1373328708 10859 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, in my case it is just the program going crazy. It looks perfect in the preview window. And it in the remapped images. But in the final blended result it just discards the position information it seems < 1373328714 185623 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :never had that happen before < 1373328717 927332 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :really really strange < 1373328744 320105 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/0I1KrqT.png :| < 1373328777 150256 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, also that "mountain" in my picture doesn't exist < 1373328806 929966 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I THINK it may be part of the ground from the 360 spherical panorama < 1373328816 54264 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it doesn't quite match the texture < 1373328885 116209 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the flag is mirrored, it was blowing the other way in the source image... < 1373328923 361581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo_: No `olist today so far. < 1373328990 925848 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm.... I actually upgraded the panorama program recently. Maybe that broke it. Worth trying on a computer that still has an older version. Except that computer doesn't have nearly enough RAM to deal with this project... < 1373329029 275887 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I give up, I'll try something else tomorrow, good night < 1373329074 768043 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla left again :( < 1373329079 325924 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :has no reason < 1373329098 250828 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do any of us have reason < 1373329109 709934 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :not I, certainly < 1373329134 5324 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :oddly enough, in many latin languages, the expression "to have reason" is "to be right" < 1373329150 154108 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's odd? < 1373329155 981081 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also does that mean romance languages or what < 1373329162 499904 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that's what I meant < 1373329166 886015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :today my reason is fava beans < 1373329172 424311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :k < 1373329185 266605 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's odd, yeah < 1373329191 312609 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mainly on The Internet i've gotten used to people using "rational" to mean "whatever i, the speaker, am thinking" < 1373329212 310313 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other use of rational on the internet < 1373329216 130212 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :is rationale < 1373329222 448414 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :but misspelled < 1373329307 23220 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :rational is from first principles, rather than just from assumptions < 1373329318 742886 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :first principles are also from assumptions. < 1373329318 893404 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I,I from first assumptions < 1373329322 272505 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah yeah < 1373329470 483795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :rational means acting as though maximizing an unbiased estimate of some function obeying the axioms of a utility function < 1373329473 820421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :clearly < 1373329505 712082 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought rational meant it could be expressed as p/q, where p and q are integers < 1373329538 10260 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :5/0. yo. < 1373329544 321683 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and q isn't zero >_< < 1373329568 35844 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that reminds me, i was thinking about the polynomial thing again (without checking knuth, just, my own silly thinking) < 1373329569 695272 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo there's nothing very rational about the number 2/3 < 1373329594 104390 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're wrong < 1373329611 293581 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems like a ratio to me. < 1373329616 967406 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :figured something easy but kinda cool, if you want to evaluate say x² + 2x + 1 you can rewrite that as (x+1)², so one multiplication and one add instead of two adds and two multiplications < 1373329625 317392 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately that involves rootfinding... < 1373329664 177505 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :algebraic numbers are roots, man. < 1373329672 189368 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :for sure < 1373329726 402193 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but finding them is annoying and all. < 1373329736 86319 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tied up mathematics for like. three hundred years. < 1373329746 378947 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also they're kind of rubbish to represent with floats anyway so that's probably not good. < 1373329749 806271 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also sometimes they're imaginary. < 1373329757 578120 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the problem is kind of complex < 1373329763 494965 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373329798 407341 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Floats are generally rubbish though. < 1373329827 19496 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, really, representing floats base 10 is rubbish. < 1373329851 925555 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm in unary you only have rational numbers even if you invent a "." equivalent < 1373329852 745585 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, who does that. < 1373329871 77871 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Most languages use base 10 for float literals. < 1373329881 475339 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh. Right. I was thinking for coomputation. < 1373329882 442753 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"0.1" is a very, very misleading literal. < 1373329890 247188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.5 less so < 1373329892 654006 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's pretty hilarious how hard reading floats is, yeah. < 1373329918 274357 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's use CReals for everything < 1373329928 297892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote CReal < 1373329928 448769 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :CReal says: cos(2/3*pi) :: CReal < 1373329936 542257 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION prefers hex floats
< 1373329939 635252 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh < 1373329942 838463 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just on principle. < 1373329942 988798 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cos(2/3*pi) :: CReal < 1373329943 924563 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : -0.5 < 1373329944 347534 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, for rootfinding it would be easier to just use algebraics. < 1373329976 139112 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> cos(1/3*pi) :: CReal < 1373329977 69799 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.5 < 1373329996 204135 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"easier" < 1373330084 494459 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :other rootfinding could happen too though. like you can turn any (>deg1) polynomial into a homogenuous poly of the same degree but you need to know its roots. also it's probably pointless and i'm pointless. < 1373330116 554179 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, not homogenouous. ugh. < 1373330118 663800 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ououououous < 1373330148 653055 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yuouou just need to get back to your roots < 1373330873 221632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373331347 496996 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1373331547 6796 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1373331832 881109 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 1000/51 < 1373331834 128519 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 19.607843137254903 < 1373332352 855266 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373332452 543029 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373332850 356215 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this book cites "Darwin 1859" and "Darwin 1872". < 1373332866 110352 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that... normally how you cite people < 1373332891 922827 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah but it's darwin. < 1373332902 929659 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :origin o' species < 1373333021 254918 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and also http://www.gutenberg.org/files/1227/1227-h/images/fig18.jpg < 1373333035 761902 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck Samba < 1373333040 638915 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This should really not be difficult < 1373333111 583071 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :that chimp doesn't look disappointed and sulky < 1373333123 166704 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it looks... parochial < 1373333149 151592 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373333217 692298 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what 'parochial' means in the context of chimp lips, but yeah i don't see how it's sulky either. < 1373333247 527449 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is tempted to `addquote that.
< 1373333290 5553 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the last part sort of doesn't work. < 1373333648 244180 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373333779 245166 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-94-86.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1373333855 861524 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : 1F0AC PLAYING CARD KNIGHT OF SPADES [] <-- hm that's apparently in tarot decks... < 1373333888 76501 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :to a norwegian this is extra confusing since en:jack =no:knekt, usually... < 1373333900 127360 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is obviously cognate to knight < 1373334044 874375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Taneb Clearly electromagnetism is a sham and radios are really powered by wights. < 1373334045 25196 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373334271 965375 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nibling <-- this is the second time in my life i see this word, and the first time was just days ago. < 1373334415 524437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i think it was in a r/askhistory discussion about what would happen if a king (of england, mostly) was homosexual. < 1373334462 234627 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an < 1373334463 752669 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373334480 51751 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming he avoided hot pokers and stuff < 1373334682 162106 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there seem to be multiple historical cases? < 1373334693 97970 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_VI_and_I "Throughout his life James had close relationships with male courtiers, which has caused debate among historians about their nature." < 1373334699 939438 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i as gonna say, a secret gay noble is not really shocking < 1373334700 127269 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"... his sexuality has long been a matter of debate. He clearly preferred the company of handsome young men. The evidence of his correspondence and contemporary accounts have led some historians to conclude that the king was homosexual or bisexual." < 1373334722 463913 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow, he was james six and james one at the same time. < 1373334725 39977 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty artful. < 1373334890 424372 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1373334900 9126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/1hsfjs/what_is_the_protocol_for_if_an_heir_to_the/ it was < 1373335013 371298 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know why succession is an issue, plenty of monarchs have died without issue < 1373335020 536923 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like.... james i's predecessor elizabeth................. < 1373335032 793980 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_II_of_England < 1373335042 191963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"While Edward fathered at least five children by two women, he was rumoured to have been bisexual. His inability to deny even the most grandiose favours to his unpopular male favourites (first a Gascon knight named Piers Gaveston, later a young English lord named Hugh Despenser) led to constant political unrest and his eventual deposition." < 1373335100 423649 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the son of william the conquerer was apparently gay too < 1373335120 226151 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and Richard the Lionheart < 1373335124 505522 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373335128 684990 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Is it actually healthier to go braless?" r/askscience's biology is a bit disappointing < 1373335134 762315 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :with a name like hugh despenser you cannot go wrong < 1373335137 461838 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373335142 378936 :Bike_!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1373335235 70177 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If you jumped from the golden gate bridge and then changed your mind, would trying to break the surface tension before landing be of any use?" ggggh < 1373335255 353729 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that a pretty common one < 1373335273 993685 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :honestly I'd be vaguely curious about the bra one but reddit < 1373335294 549224 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "no" hth < 1373335306 566142 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are 3 replies and one of them is just explaining that the question is confused < 1373335316 674426 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, *the best one < 1373335358 674215 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: try wearing a unibra for a while and see which breast is healthier afterwards, obviously < 1373335371 623922 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that sounds monumentally uncomfortable < 1373335390 933595 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must make sacrifices for science, and by we i mean you < 1373335391 554166 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for a minute i thought that was a thing < 1373335400 953377 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it'd be like a giant eyepatch < 1373335408 157223 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think that can possibly work < 1373335415 49571 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we must find a way < 1373335430 997310 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm thinking sharpened hooks < 1373335442 522436 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION winces
< 1373335460 555321 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure hooks have ever gone well in clothing < 1373335469 458882 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haven't you ever seen Hellraiser < 1373335471 725447 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no fashion sense, imo < 1373335480 651107 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have not seen hellraiser < 1373335495 579480 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also: what about captain hook, he seemed to pull it off < 1373335527 860154 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hands aren't clothes! < 1373335535 669678 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or bras < 1373335547 853091 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the aim here is science, not fashion < 1373335580 14309 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fashion is a sciencne! < 1373335586 892388 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The first time I saw it was also days ago. < 1373335590 113855 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the science... of beauty! < 1373335600 500193 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the science... of not jamming hooks into yourself! < 1373335602 4348 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves her hair, holds up a redken shampoo bottle
< 1373335603 162232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Someone sent me a link. I assume the occurrences are related. < 1373335617 355633 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves his hair, holds up bloodied surgical implements
< 1373335629 179127 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : er, *the best one <-- let me guess, that one has already been deleted? < 1373335758 367976 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: maybe there's a source somewhere < 1373335838 992843 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: The person who mentioned it to me linked to http://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/1hgkwp/til_the_plural_genderneutral_term_for_nieces_and/ < 1373335845 751974 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I assume it's all related to that. < 1373335866 567184 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay, research! < 1373335885 886873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Half a cheer for oerjan! Hip hip -- hoo! < 1373335903 591321 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hoo, the new hip < 1373335931 267712 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks at TIL, finds annoying psychologytoday link half a page down
< 1373335980 781534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: why would you look at reddit "r u crazy" < 1373336065 885349 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey r/askhistory is nice. and addictive. < 1373336114 759915 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :reddit.com/r/u/crazy/ < 1373336184 960610 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/user/crazy is sadly empty. but existing. < 1373336185 111380 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373336335 64885 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.reddit.com/r/crazy looks slightly healthier. < 1373336413 954083 :nooodl_!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373336851 43122 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: also, the niblings thread, not a linguist in the bunch < 1373336870 368298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you read the thread hth < 1373336880 989588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: today the cookie place had a short line so i went there < 1373336912 404125 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :why would you ask a rhetoric question hth < 1373336924 476308 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: that's r/todayilearned/ not a science subreddit hth < 1373336927 775556 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the ridiculous ice cream place? < 1373336930 958921 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373336956 131954 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :was it super? < 1373336986 707740 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was enjoyable but not stand-in-line-for-half-an-hour good < 1373337007 690463 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe you'd think it was better is you stood in line for half an hour < 1373337010 48097 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :*if < 1373337020 698433 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :green mouse and telephone ice cream < 1373337063 456056 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: probably < 1373337079 901000 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373337102 197608 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you have to stand in line until you're really hungry, you see < 1373337146 391472 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome scyrmion < 1373337149 771241 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​08scyrmion: Welcom14e to the internation09al hub for es07oter03ic programming la02nguag11e06 design an12d dep11lo13yme06nt! Fo10r more i05nformation, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/14M03ain_Page.03 (Fo09r13 the 06oth05er 08kind of esoterica, try14 #14es07o02t05eric on irc.dal.ne09t.09) < 1373337158 986657 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello. < 1373337164 432997 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi scyrmion < 1373337167 269369 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :welcome home < 1373337173 453915 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wandered in from the wiki. < 1373337202 620048 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1373337211 157406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I ended up hosting it :( < 1373337263 294743 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh that always happens < 1373337336 41417 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what was the thing people don't like in Rust? < 1373337360 526779 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to experement with some ideas of compression algorithms that search for a program that is able to produce the original output. < 1373337362 474046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lots of things < 1373337366 2107 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you be more specific < 1373337371 938221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: the thing where all your iron disintegrates after a while < 1373337374 190203 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that thing is p. bad < 1373337375 344039 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :about memory management < 1373337378 494516 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :and boxes < 1373337384 729262 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :moo < 1373337386 945776 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is all about the boxes < 1373337401 403939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :copumpkin: imo be more dutch hth < 1373337408 155749 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they're getting rid of managed mutable boxes maybe < 1373337417 906548 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's the one place where the borrow checker has a run-time check < 1373337426 520987 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo < 1373337430 815992 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :thx < 1373337437 990448 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that what cows say in .nl < 1373337445 4347 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo.nl < 1373337448 165994 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what is the difference between @ pointers and managed mutable boxes? < 1373337457 503729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's @ versus @mut < 1373337472 899202 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :why did they name those after an OS < 1373337479 334415 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that sounds freaky < 1373337506 588175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: are they going to get rid of @ < 1373337517 871427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't think so, blog post notwithstanding < 1373337533 75314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :if so how will @fn works < 1373337549 370001 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boo.ts < 1373337559 716421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the funny thing is @ isn't garbage collected yet, just refcounted, and there's already a library type Rc that is refcounted and way faster < 1373337572 240562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, there's no actual GC? < 1373337593 95044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :correct; if you have cycles they don't go away until the thread ends < 1373337607 190257 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373337623 69716 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I'm told that @ and @fn don't have much in common implementation-wise; similarly ~ and ~fn and ~[] < 1373337634 315031 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :rust is a bit < 1373337635 455033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"weird" < 1373337642 694693 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like all of rust's boxes and things is a lot to keep in mind < 1373337649 93521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there are secretly two kinds of ~: those which point to managed boxes somewhere and those which don't < 1373337652 96689 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yup < 1373337664 467466 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are they sure firefox can't deal with being fully GC'd < 1373337670 331975 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :what would you know, there is no .ts domain < 1373337672 440160 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are some pretty wacky advanced GCs < 1373337702 590819 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if your ~ contains managed stuff then it has a header which links it into a list of all managed stuff, for use by the thread-exit cycle collector (?) < 1373337713 288598 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but if it doesn't then it has no header (as of, like, today) < 1373337715 788253 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that's the reason rust has all this memory stuff right) < 1373337727 68822 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm < 1373337728 586969 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i don't know man < 1373337766 293357 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're meant to be the expert! < 1373337783 399721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: well i'm kind of glad someoneis doing "all this memory stuff" < 1373337795 638953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :seems like it has its place, whether or not firefox is that place < 1373337824 14235 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :its place is: outside of my head < 1373337835 727261 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah < 1373337868 498796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of odd how a lot of languages are "all about things that" look like existentials, but don't really have actual existentials < 1373337884 371579 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :depending on who you ask Servo is either "definitely going to be the new browser one day" or "a research platform for playing around with different ideas" < 1373337906 755796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in struct Foo { x: A, f: fn(y: A) -> int } with A existential instead of universal < 1373337919 41220 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if they will rebrand < 1373337969 336097 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373337969 559655 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen ion < 1373337973 566883 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-08 21:17:02: > unwords . map join . sequence $ [["FI", "RAMA"], ["ZZ"], ["IE", "OTTI"]] < 1373337987 759839 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :feature request: add "so and so many times ago" to `seen < 1373338006 116760 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, i've seen him four thousand times? < 1373338022 22010 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ago < 1373338025 249613 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: who was the ? to < 1373338029 435854 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :as in < 1373338030 712918 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you re: rebrand < 1373338031 242030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hourz < 1373338038 130923 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: like if servo ever becomes the mozilla browser < 1373338044 266721 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shouldn't be that hard, just subtract timestamps < 1373338050 853507 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would they call it firefox or not (of course nobody knows) < 1373338054 17400 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean will they call the browser "servo" < 1373338055 565845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably not < 1373338064 791170 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :will they call servo gecko < 1373338066 773676 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's replacing "gecko" sort of < 1373338068 326266 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1373338070 730006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1373338082 476267 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :will they just give up and use webkit < 1373338087 459658 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they won't call it servo surely < 1373338092 473537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :servo is architecturally very different from gecko, even aside from being in a different language < 1373338096 458307 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :but they might call it mozilla shinynewbrowser or whatever < 1373338102 619475 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: "webkit will outlive the human race" < 1373338107 657465 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i say that about C sometimes < 1373338134 627126 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mozilla softkitten < 1373338146 435051 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't wait for programming to be three hundred years old so people can read the equivalent of alien victorian biology books < 1373338146 784912 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :+kmc: what does that mean? The singularity will be in C? < 1373338175 415738 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :possibly < 1373338179 273838 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mozilla is developing the Browser of Theseus < 1373338187 653291 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: but today nobody reads the books written even 30 years ago < 1373338192 208272 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the singularity will be in notareallanguagese < 1373338199 952208 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the singularity will not be televised < 1373338206 46072 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well when i say "people" i mean weird people like me < 1373338212 842652 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am actually reading a thirty year old book right now. < 1373338238 492631 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :or knuth. knuth is also pretty weird < 1373338296 523467 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i read biology books old enough to predate evolutionary theory, and they're great. < 1373338350 642583 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rust looks highly complicated, like it was a very nice language and then making it consistent/useful involved making an exception somewhere, then making an exception within that, etc. < 1373338350 793171 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are too many languages in the wiki that only print "Hello world!"... and a large obsession with the 99 bottles of beer lyrics. < 1373338353 408932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ur pretty weird imo < 1373338363 161764 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yus. < 1373338388 620552 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe I'm just trying too hard to read into its design philosophy. nicer than C++, anyweh. < 1373338422 312594 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric : > 11 Appendix: Rationales and design tradeoffs < 1373338423 504143 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric : > TODO. < 1373338458 392049 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373338459 244297 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 problem with rust is still those dang braces, sorry < 1373338495 760091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#1 problem with rust is h8rs < 1373338501 256620 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :h8rs lyk u < 1373338564 951922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: yeah that's the best < 1373338570 828192 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :why can't everyone just get along and sing songs together and program COBOL < 1373338588 439774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: yes, it does have a bit of that "everything stuck together just so bursting at the seams" feel, like C++, but better < 1373338636 264710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :providing fine-grained control of allocation in a memory-safe way is *hard* < 1373338640 726994 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric : > rust run h8.rs < 1373338656 33909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: imo get :t into the repl hth < 1373338662 779766 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :afaik Rust is the only language even attempting it that has even a chance of being more than an academic project < 1373338668 695248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also make the repl fast instead of slow :'( < 1373338670 973317 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373338677 986893 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :everyone knows the repl sucks ok < 1373338684 866148 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :on my machine it just crashes < 1373338693 423026 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1373338704 205663 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :make an IRC bot that runs arbitrary Rust code. that's the fastest way to mainstream adoption. < 1373338704 406409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are supposed to be some recent improvements to LLVM's JIT that will help? < 1373338708 887366 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: they have that < 1373338715 921127 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :why isn't it here? < 1373338718 955937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in #rust on irc.mozilla.org < 1373338728 332617 :sacre!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Quit: sacre < 1373338747 710871 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :LLVM has a JIT? < 1373338748 992301 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: But I haven't seen any Fibonacci sequences in #rust. < 1373338750 687232 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373338753 375358 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not a fancy one < 1373338755 893288 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :The bot is clearly defective. < 1373338760 493781 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember I made the first bot that ran (somewhat) arbitrary Go code < 1373338763 509824 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it just compiles and loads your code in a big block < 1373338767 657010 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then I stopped doing anything with Go ever < 1373338770 41259 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not like tracing and optimizing it < 1373338778 347337 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it's slow to start up *and* produces slow code < 1373338785 725623 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :the best of both worlds < 1373338791 55046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :part of the point of tracing JITs isn't just that they produce good code but they start up quickly < 1373338806 171720 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1373338808 991436 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EH < 1373338828 297330 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think there is room in the world for a tracing jit that produces great code using all sorts of runtime information but starts up slowly < 1373338836 585852 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373338840 958066 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's called java -server < 1373338842 457578 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think < 1373338853 806070 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear hotspot is "p. crazy" < 1373338856 616046 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup < 1373338900 239666 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Always one more than you can handle," the water replied. "That's standard operating procedure." < 1373338921 191358 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_killer_whale < 1373338934 654843 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's "p. crassidens" if you ask me < 1373338937 29299 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: That sounds like an exciting logic! < 1373338952 194356 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Bool = True | False | FalseKillerWhale < 1373338953 651665 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: ... < 1373338957 404211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: can I kick you for that. < 1373338966 741419 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i did a report on false killer whales in middle school! < 1373338969 258456 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kick yes, kickban no. < 1373338972 595720 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :deal < 1373338974 612050 :ChanServ!ChanServ@services. MODE #esoteric +o :elliott > 1373338974 701524 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373338975 4348 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, as a p. crassidens expert, yes you can kick Gracenotes for that < 1373338977 224977 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott KICK #esoteric Gracenotes :Gracenotes < 1373338978 425511 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes JOIN :#esoteric < 1373338979 468236 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott MODE #esoteric -o :elliott > 1373338979 492676 NAMES :#esoteric < 1373338988 638139 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow it ruins my immersion when you join before I can even deop < 1373338991 162052 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'| < 1373338999 606702 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was "into it" < 1373339000 456909 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott is abusing his op powers < 1373339012 550024 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh I got consent. < 1373339019 409146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you didn't < 1373339032 429258 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i didn't read it as such < 1373339038 144892 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :04:02:49 kick yes, kickban no. < 1373339040 994883 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is making some soup later. you can all have it if you come by.
< 1373339047 198059 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :man it must be depressing to be a species literally named for not being some other species < 1373339049 897176 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of soup < 1373339060 235855 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinda aspirations can a false killer whale have < 1373339066 969460 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :true killer whale < 1373339067 589200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth < 1373339070 64545 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: at least their name is like, unrepetitive, mister homo sapiens sapiens < 1373339077 467980 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, uh, sausage, jalapenos, something. probably spinach and shallots too. < 1373339084 762674 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds good. < 1373339087 696969 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, not even vegetarian soup < 1373339097 885410 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sounds great < 1373339098 358423 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kinda sausage < 1373339109 767644 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :AND BEEF STOCK < 1373339117 51168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes> why can't everyone just get along and sing songs together and program COBOL <-- COBOL camp? < 1373339119 798627 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bœuf < 1373339134 461108 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :generic 'smoked' sausage. < 1373339169 56873 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :would kmc smoke a sausage < 1373339170 928714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(drugz joke) < 1373339197 481857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you sure it's not a dongz joke < 1373339204 149198 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway the answer is "yes" either way < 1373339218 245970 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mplayer http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/03/Fr-Paris--b%C5%93uf.ogg < 1373339242 818015 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, hopefully the smoking strategy for either is different < 1373339246 956348 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373339265 594497 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kpe_KHDEfgw < 1373339296 349085 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i realised it could be a dongz joke afterwards < 1373339443 848242 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION → out
< 1373339474 189230 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: go to la discothèque on your way home < 1373339482 104577 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or, le. whatever. < 1373339509 197329 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :cultural fidelity < 1373339535 635863 :Sgeo_!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373339653 973222 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not discotech, isn't it, even though that's how i think of it < 1373339658 674769 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a cyborg with a disco ball laser < 1373340389 804978 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, rewatching SG-1. I'd forgotton how good Heroes is < 1373340790 129262 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373340817 430673 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373341386 55096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hardly anything was said while i was out :/ < 1373341414 504805 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well we thought you wwere ging to be gone longer! < 1373341417 512085 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we were charging up. < 1373341428 410102 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you saved up all your witty banter? how considerate < 1373341429 99585 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1373341435 239494 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyaa! < 1373341445 310344 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com TOPIC #esoteric :<3 | http://underhanded.xcott.com/?page_id=5 | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric and http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/?C=M;O=D < 1373341462 766231 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♥ < 1373341464 545690 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :♡ < 1373341465 330704 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could easily run a VM more powerful than my old computer < 1373341469 955755 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is kind of getting weir < 1373341471 582400 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird < 1373341497 694138 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon, sgeo will be sucked into an unending hole of VMs, like that one cyberiad story that was pretty cool imo. < 1373341517 361734 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Cascade easily fits on the screen! < 1373342825 429966 :scyrmion!~aaron@97-87-14-139.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com PART :#esoteric < 1373342848 652476 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/050813Panorama/Bad%20Panorama%2011.jpg ready to run <-- omfg < 1373344308 967516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: maybe it *is* getting kind of weir! < 1373344442 845693 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :weirwolf: a dam that turns into a wolf < 1373344451 741440 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hehehe < 1373344733 891460 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373345184 619789 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373345244 588427 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373346392 295996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373346909 388093 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi zzo38, what are you up to this evening < 1373346976 677820 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe if I don't get as much sleep deprivation I won't feel sick tomorrow < 1373347060 911800 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, who said x86 was a bad architecture... the RISC architectures are better but for everything else I have my doubts < 1373347063 637516 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I don't know yet. < 1373347081 54076 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: It wasn't as bad when it was first invented as it is now < 1373347132 753555 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm looking at the 68k and I'm not convinced that it's better than x86 < 1373347180 975336 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You might be correct, but, I don't know 68k < 1373347249 813746 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :all the other 8bit instruction sets from about that time were worse than x86 and have accordingly died horribly < 1373347258 338335 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(6502, z80, etc) < 1373347333 191449 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That may have been true at the time, but not anymore. < 1373347398 730339 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most vliw architectures have also bombed < 1373347424 298589 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(or at least the general purpose ones) < 1373347442 823836 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi madbr < 1373347448 365488 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373347533 408126 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: good plan hth < 1373347814 613878 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :68k is even more CISC than x86 imho < 1373347897 196467 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you consider the baroque system of segmentation / interrupt handling / hardware task switching / etc. on x86 to be part of what makes it CISC? < 1373347924 978572 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does seem like RISC architectures tried also to simplify memory management and privilege separation < 1373347927 533206 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :complex everythingbutinstruction set computer < 1373347976 871470 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh, forgot about real mode < 1373347978 15885 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1373347989 234956 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about real mode? < 1373348007 294917 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :segmentation is used in real mode < 1373348023 691236 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :segmentation in protected mode is vastly more complicated < 1373348049 623191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you're required to use it to some degree < 1373348061 604747 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :most OSes try to avoid doing anything more than the bare minimum, though < 1373348065 456319 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true but is it less complicated that other similar CPUs with MMUs and paging? < 1373348088 276422 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, I think it's a lot more complicated < 1373348112 615421 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a lot of architectures do only paging < 1373348125 289702 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i forgot that the MMU for 68k was an external chip o_O < 1373348152 648129 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm that's "kind of weird" < 1373348175 920922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :looks pretty complicated too < 1373348192 950101 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Wide Selection of Page Sizes from 256 Bytes to 32K Bytes" < 1373348240 912091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and a hard filled TLB < 1373348295 113867 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doesn't the x86 also have an extra cycle penalty if your segmentation stuff has an offset?¨ < 1373348303 491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it has a 3 bit TLB tag!! < 1373348311 646377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: wouldn't be surprised < 1373348323 404675 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like it has to do an extra addition < 1373348328 374447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the subset of x86 features that people use and the subset of x86 features that have fast paths in the chip have co-evolved < 1373348338 346014 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so you should leave it at 0 < 1373348353 278070 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :true < 1373348391 309031 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a segment with offset 0 and limit 3GB is useful for safe access to userspace memory from within a 32-bit kernel < 1373348397 253691 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I think they're close to the limit where if they have to do an extra real addition they have to add an extra real life because the clock rate is so high < 1373348400 91807 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you can't do the analogous thing in long mode :/ < 1373348411 596562 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*an extra real life cycle < 1373348425 15092 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION waves to Fiora
< 1373348485 21305 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora is a fan of two-cycle things < 1373348490 626702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(well, aren't we all) < 1373348501 861655 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nyaa? < 1373348504 156972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION swats shachaf -----###
< 1373348516 775104 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION sleepily paws around
< 1373348538 496163 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :paws are for kittens :3 < 1373348584 692606 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and for spin-lock loops! < 1373348592 187659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the 68851 MMU is only for the 68020 and earlier, the later chips have other MMUs onboard < 1373348606 735632 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :intel recommends using paws to avoid performance penalties! < 1373348609 179845 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Modern x86 is really complicated and so is modern ARM < 1373348630 329828 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: *groan* < 1373348643 687224 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :modern arm is complicated because of all the useful things they put in :D < 1373348656 661095 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :water doesn't have much nutrients and that's why it's so cheap < 1373348665 343531 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If addition is slow then can you use other operation such as XOR? < 1373348687 775299 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: groan? that was meowgnificat! < 1373348689 24715 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if the MC68851 + RAM is capable of arbitrary computation < 1373348691 63701 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i'm trying to fit arsenic wells into this, help < 1373348693 387487 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is x86 pause like stm retry < 1373348703 445110 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: a little < 1373348705 985157 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the fastest in CMOS is something like NAND < 1373348714 550544 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also there might be a HTM retry instruction now >_< < 1373348719 296939 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: it's a thing that basically makes the cpu wait a few cycles before doing anything else < 1373348723 935262 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah NAND or NOR, iirc < 1373348724 979369 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe multiplexing < 1373348727 350833 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so it doesn't flood the pipe with repeated memory load requests in like, a spin-wait loop < 1373348771 331995 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1373348772 96107 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :NAND inside a memory calculation would be kinda crazy tho < 1373348778 969255 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it helps performance in hyperthrading (since the other thread on the same core isn't sharing with useless memory loads) and it apparently has some benefit because of a memory ordering thing, where when the spin wait loop ends, the pipeline ends up being flushed because all of the loads are now invalid or something < 1373348793 730135 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: what if it just took exclusive ownership of all cache lines accessed in the current loop, and then slept until receiving a cache coherence protocol message asking for them back < 1373348797 735944 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that would be p. cool < 1373348801 679960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also not sure if what I just said makes any sense < 1373348822 804768 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder how that would work < 1373348853 839216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: that was vaguely what i was thinking of, i think < 1373348871 483477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the Haswell HTM does anything like that, since I think the cache is used as the transaction-in-progress buffer < 1373348875 670591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might be wrong about that, too < 1373349002 644630 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would think good idea is to have parallel microcode units with Muxcomp (see Esolang wiki), using XOR for address calculation, and then the program will call the Muxcomp microcodes and run everything in parallel. < 1373349083 466701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That might improve a lot of things, including, not being too complicated, not being too slow, and your program can customize it by rewriting the microcode, too. < 1373349127 122950 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How much do you expect such things working? < 1373349134 517822 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Have you built simulators for any of your microarchitectures? < 1373349143 612227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of them sound really brilliantly weird < 1373349154 878250 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember you suggested using a programmable LFSR to derive the next program counter value..... < 1373349162 193790 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha, awesome. < 1373349169 680471 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :;D < 1373349170 773443 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a barrel memory or some shit < 1373349176 315238 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373349184 390583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like a drum memory in some absurdly high dimensional space < 1373349195 890298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes, I have suggested all of various of these things, but I did not build a simulator or even put all of them in one place, unfortunately. At least, not yet. < 1373349197 656282 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :where your mind will explode if you even begin to comprehend it < 1373349205 594850 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :either that or it's just basic algebra, not sure tbqh < 1373349209 730283 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hyperbolic space fungeroid < 1373349223 17492 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :weird architectures are cool as hell (wannabe neuroscientist warning) < 1373349225 928678 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently the truth table for XOR is 0x6996966996696996 < 1373349243 337120 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know, the internet has too few wannabe people < 1373349246 406679 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the bitwise of the beast < 1373349253 973427 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: that's not what i was thinking of. < 1373349263 119767 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: are you being sarcastic or... what. < 1373349265 681228 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: er? < 1373349267 360304 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I can only say '1' to that < 1373349278 137942 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the Thue-Morse sequence, isn't it? Anyways, that is what you make with the XOR like that, I think < 1373349306 108721 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even in Verilog using the ^ unary operator on a number, I think would do that. < 1373349354 41346 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is? that's cool < 1373349374 251408 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how about a cpu where instead of using registers, everything is based on queues < 1373349378 852790 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Earlier today I have made improvements to the Fweep and Aimfiz Z-machine interpreters, although now I am not doing that and might do something else, I don't quite know entirely. < 1373349399 110483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: that sounds good for a clockless implementation < 1373349423 605829 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc : I'm secretly wondering if some OOO cpus aren't doing that actually < 1373349441 676202 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How would you actually do such a think as queues and clockless implementation though really? < 1373349476 929659 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asynchronous_circuit < 1373349487 547056 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, instead of doing < 1373349499 472011 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mul rdest, rsrc1, rsrc2 < 1373349501 804409 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd go < 1373349514 56618 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mul src1, src2 < 1373349519 309460 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then later on < 1373349537 658085 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :add dst, src1, multiply_result_queue < 1373349552 936109 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i see < 1373349559 286089 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can't name a queue for the result in the 'mul' instruction? < 1373349573 125430 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would perfectly handle the multiplication's long latency < 1373349583 146968 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and you could do it for memory operations as well < 1373349609 395477 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's kind of like VLIW right? putting more of the burden of instruction scheduling on the compiler < 1373349620 965798 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1373349630 278063 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :isn't that exactly what the physical register file is...? < 1373349634 577386 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the add dst, src1, mulq < 1373349649 289679 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :just blocks until the multiplication result is available < 1373349661 724106 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the exact cycle that it's issued varies < 1373349691 596650 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :if you have a bunch of separate execution units, each one with their scheduling queues and input and output queues < 1373349711 556131 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought that's how it already works... < 1373349726 616395 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I'm starting to think that's how they did the p2 < 1373349817 321488 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373349834 158820 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :<3 < 1373349863 63349 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wow, I'm on topic < 1373349905 68167 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha. < 1373349920 399649 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Taneb do you want to read a sad stories < 1373349935 40764 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1373349946 751133 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I do not < 1373349950 225067 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1373349951 548907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok then < 1373350111 109895 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com QUIT :Quit: Radiateur < 1373350233 877554 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the TOGA computer would basically consist of a programmable binary counter (although it isn't very efficient, but you can still make any program with it). < 1373350577 522851 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am going to see if I understand my book correctly < 1373350600 871760 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one that went over holes and stuff? < 1373350615 946367 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah < 1373350631 161048 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is a bit of a whirlwind tour < 1373350686 962892 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is a Galois field? < 1373350705 82979 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a finite field < 1373350732 608189 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1373350743 34251 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a Galois connection? < 1373350744 765409 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Field in what sense? < 1373350766 675135 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: commutative division ring hth < 1373350798 650726 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1373350826 948998 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because I am pretty sure that the field I sometimes walk my dog through that has cows in it is finite < 1373350854 919869 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :a field is a set of objects with addition and multiplication defined, commutatively, and with inverses < 1373350859 839074 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :um < 1373350867 224624 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no field with cows is finite < 1373350874 972068 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's what's-their-name's theoerm < 1373350907 621161 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :e.g., {0,1} with addition = OR and multiplication = XOR works. < 1373350937 365075 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, xor and and. < 1373350951 96885 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe both are equivalent?? beats me < 1373350965 992103 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So a field in this sense is a ring where addition and multiplication form A belian groups < 1373350994 479686 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1373351002 151578 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: no < 1373351005 205060 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's a ring where multiplication is commutative (addition is always commutative anyway) and you have multiplicative inverses except for 0 < 1373351014 38069 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ < 1373351014 226588 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the except for 0 bit is important hth < 1373351073 503080 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ok < 1373351115 159108 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 can't have a multiplicative inverse since it must annihilate the ring < 1373351120 912529 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :due to being an additive inverse < 1373351122 640178 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1373351124 693250 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :additive identity < 1373351137 994195 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I see < 1373351162 342096 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :0 is sometimes known as "Frodo" < 1373351192 163370 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: try proving that 0 * a = 0 < 1373351200 738567 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, and there's one other important property < 1373351204 695173 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :distributivity < 1373351208 172628 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :without it nothing works < 1373351212 778580 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but rings have that anyway < 1373351225 623015 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :rings wouldn't be a thing without it < 1373351232 39040 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well yes < 1373351247 912894 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, misread your thing < 1373351269 832879 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow this place has no appreciation < 1373351285 286465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or is it just that that pun is an old and tired one?? i haven't heard it before < 1373351303 424747 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not really a pun < 1373351339 902795 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote taneb.*cow < 1373351341 660453 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :405) Look, I often walk my dog through a field with cows in it. And I punched myself in the face once. < 1373351364 473391 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :how it is not a pun < 1373351429 30235 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, see? I'm consistent! < 1373351436 481965 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm 0∙a=a is a semiring axiom < 1373351656 598612 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab= a(0+b)= (a0)+(ab) < 1373351725 461494 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ab-ab=a0+ab-ab < 1373351760 437005 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :0=a0 < 1373351768 468577 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :QED < 1373351806 207653 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep that's pretty demonstratumed. < 1373351903 970151 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 0 / recip 0.0 < 1373351905 404441 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 0.0 < 1373351934 757941 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :> recip 0/0 < 1373351935 704832 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Infinity < 1373351940 534786 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yay < 1373352137 591099 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :infinity is my favorite natural number < 1373352140 783535 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, the next chapter is on chaos theory < 1373352158 143247 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo read up on ICAF < 1373352163 685100 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, sorry. conatural number. < 1373352257 112200 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :First I shall read up on x_t+1=k x_t (1- x_t ) < 1373352268 903193 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :logistic map, right? < 1373352278 431793 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes sweet < 1373352310 412522 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :here's hoping your book mentions feigenbaum < 1373352326 768824 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373353108 532420 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it did not. :( < 1373353202 283640 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :And now it is on to the Black-Scholes equation < 1373353250 4749 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1373353253 69900 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. you could probably write a whole book just on the logisti cmap < 1373353256 738664 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that should be named after zzo38 < 1373353268 8324 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :black-zzoles < 1373353469 423418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell Vorpal I was going to suggest maybe X/Y/Z translations -- I've seen those confuse the Hugin fast preview window -- but if the remapped images are okay, then that's not it. Weird. (Also speaking of panostuff, I fiddled together a panohead and took some test pictures -- http://flic.kr/s/aHsjGJ1XdS -- there's also some from the university campus that I haven't stitched yet.) < 1373353469 574374 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1373353713 464244 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373353957 650582 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373354148 638639 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This chapter is scary < 1373354263 243232 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :still black-zzoles? < 1373354272 961024 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup < 1373354649 65435 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not want to work in finance < 1373354706 617073 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :are fine ants like fine arts < 1373354743 542483 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: why are you reading about black-scholes? < 1373354755 650576 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1373354774 379056 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :) 1 2 3 + 10 20 30 < 1373354774 705264 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: 11 22 33 < 1373354806 833472 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, it is the final formula in 17 formulas that changed the world < 1373354830 345247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is RSA in there < 1373354834 861364 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :or DH < 1373354835 844597 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :which formula now? < 1373354858 339944 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, if they don't go light on the "changing the world" I might read it... < 1373354923 715736 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :RSA is not < 1373354937 958870 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not know what DH is < 1373354940 672517 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started thinking about how something like TLS would work in a world with only symmetric cryptography < 1373354950 126493 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it's basically possible, but a huge pain in the ass < 1373354959 15326 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more trusted third parties < 1373354967 477188 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :actively involved in protocols, that is < 1373355008 335373 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah instead of CAs passively signing certificates, they would interact as trusted third parties for key negotiation < 1373355021 420464 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you could still have a hierarchy of trust similar to TLS today, I think < 1373355051 474588 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1373355104 69166 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/formulas/equations/ < 1373355155 183872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: I meant Diffie-Hellman key exchange, which predates RSA a bit and was sort of the start of public key cryptography < 1373355168 910061 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then ni < 1373355184 671554 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :*no < 1373355300 670642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, is diffie-hellman an equation < 1373355361 916375 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could say it's B^a ≡ A^b (mod p) where ... < 1373355384 922164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess. < 1373355410 6618 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :black-scholes isn't very good either < 1373355439 190950 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose the equation for RSA would be ed = 1 mod (p-1)(q-1).. and also mod pq... < 1373355441 658782 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's ok < 1373355466 744245 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe say phi(n), n = pq, gcd(p, q) = 1? ...getting a bit complicated. < 1373355585 876801 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is: pythagoras, logarithms, differentiation, gravity, imaginary numbers, F-E+V=2, normal distribution, wave equation, Fourier transform, Navier-Stokes, Maxwell's equations, the second law of thermodynamics, relativity, Schrodigner's equation, information theory, logistc formula, Black-Scholes < 1373355590 40473 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so the 17 equations, so to speak, seem to be: 1. Pythagoras's theorem 2. Logarithms 3. Calculus 4. Newton's law of gravity 5. ... < 1373355593 31540 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ahem < 1373355600 57842 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp. My job here is done. < 1373355605 454296 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :bye Gracenotes < 1373355616 293691 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION puts on rocket pack
< 1373355617 436839 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you think public key cryptography changed the world to a comparable degree < 1373355661 559152 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo the world is immutable < 1373355673 140808 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, crypto has not changed things *that* much, I don't think. < 1373355696 716799 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least for civillians. < 1373355709 243000 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :crypto has always been important for states. < 1373355716 491770 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :so we have online shopping. woo. < 1373355733 956852 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, obviously anyb ook like that is going to simplify things, and/or make cuts < 1373355741 134374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could claim that none of the tech giants of today would exist without it < 1373355748 613371 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not really sure about that though < 1373355758 83443 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think people don't really give a shit about security when there's enough convenience to be had < 1373355761 87866 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myself included < 1373355771 495616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373355782 862185 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it used to be you would just read your credit card number out loud on a POTS line < 1373355800 152509 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, so crypto is mentioned in the entropy chapter, mainly the use of basic information theory in cryptanalysis < 1373355802 21403 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: also, bitcoin, but that's more of a future-potential thing < 1373355811 340962 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of curious how the logistic map is world-changing < 1373355838 499677 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's no reason why a bunch of servers couldn't use fancy https < 1373355840 318872 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373355840 469379 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't think of any applications for it other than maybe ecology < 1373355850 711622 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's kind of a stretch. < 1373355859 264444 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373355860 479993 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, he used it to introduce chaos theory < 1373355862 848014 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: logistic map? I'd have thought basic arithmetic, a la Napier < 1373355869 840496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :welp i killed irssi somehow < 1373355881 215550 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: ...what? < 1373355882 336261 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :er, nevermind, conflated with logarithms. < 1373355889 502466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably by banging on the keyboard like a stoned idiot < 1373355896 417624 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is what I imagine chapter 2 is about. neverminds. < 1373355914 458644 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure what world-changing appliations chaos theory has had either honestly :P < 1373355923 231329 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :as exciting as staring at double pendulums is < 1373355932 473685 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you ever looked at a fractal, on acid < 1373355944 616188 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can't say I have. < 1373355954 347567 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now i want a bong that's a double pendulum < 1373355968 486127 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, I tried but it dissolved < 1373355969 39086 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :which doesn't even make sense < 1373355974 166200 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I'd imagine xaos would be pretty fun. < 1373355985 153662 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe an inverted pendulum bong < 1373355986 659469 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, thanks for the suggestion :) < 1373355995 115095 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :have ot balance it on my head < 1373356009 203459 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :xoas is just generally fun to zoom into < 1373356023 680960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you've seen electric sheep, right? < 1373356026 553522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sadly not interactive < 1373356066 402855 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :have not < 1373356081 829797 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.electricsheep.org/ < 1373356128 996389 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, in xaos, just set the zoom speed really high and try to avoid 'boring' (non-recursive) areas < 1373356134 82641 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the paper about how they're rendered is cool too http://flam3.com/flame.pdf < 1373356135 221984 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to do that a lot... good way to waste time < 1373356140 581323 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :xaos++ < 1373356158 609256 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa, dude, xaos ~~ "chaos"?? < 1373356163 73581 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::O < 1373356164 671992 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :nowai < 1373356180 626050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i ve always pronounced each letter < 1373356197 855146 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :χaos < 1373356215 948351 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually, if you do it on something like Barnsley, it's like falling with a lot of bars in the way < 1373356305 616783 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be considered rude to email the author asking for further reading? < 1373356315 46124 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably not < 1373356320 409827 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there a bibliography, though? < 1373356328 844251 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what are some good channels i'm not in < 1373356351 433521 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Alas no < 1373356353 61265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably lurk in ##electronics again, that was pretty great < 1373356354 882009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#haskell (goodness joke) < 1373356358 766786 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :bibliographies are like the best parts of books because there's a billion more books in them < 1373356366 971059 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##electronics? is it actually about electronics < 1373356375 298702 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is that #haskell is often not that good :'( ) < 1373356377 497857 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :plus the cites are always all over the place < 1373356386 415774 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still like the highs of #haskell though!! < 1373356391 994534 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my awesome new book on neural development cites hayek, the economist < 1373356392 473100 :Taneb!~androirc@host-78-147-30-223.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com ) < 1373356400 705296 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well FINE jerk < 1373356427 904021 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: electronics + misc mad science < 1373356457 680001 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The natural concept tree: a study of learning in pigeons" pigeons clearly don't get enough credit < 1373356467 160797 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :electronics iss cool and i don't know shit about it etc etc < 1373356481 618892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: then how come http://www.google.com/technology/pigeonrank.html < 1373356486 216161 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so join < 1373356495 583010 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good idea < 1373356498 434729 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there i'm in ##electronics now < 1373356517 790026 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like ##tea < 1373356523 128937 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens there < 1373356523 457034 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also like tea < 1373356525 919101 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :+whatevermeansyoucan'ttagwithoutnickserv < 1373356527 416482 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :People talk about tea < 1373356537 814506 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: do you like the iso standard kmc is about to give the number for < 1373356540 296696 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :People make snarky comments about tisanes sometimes for no reason. < 1373356550 835987 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 3103 < 1373356585 853007 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I will lol if it's three-phase" yeah this is pretty good < 1373356595 883291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i had tea with Gracenotes once < 1373356600 800406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was p. good < 1373356628 254215 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, although I didn't make it < 1373356628 656748 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing i don't like about bibliographies in books is they don't have the backreferences to where they're cited, like wikipedia articles do < 1373356631 656937 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well. < 1373356634 597795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IRCing while working with high voltage: the best < 1373356638 644589 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: what about, like gaiwans and stuff though < 1373356644 73519 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's that < 1373356659 785050 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ISO 3103 is controversial in its cultural imperialism < 1373356689 801933 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh I saw "Ca⁺⁺" and thought it was something about programming, time to sleep < 1373356751 891183 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: fair point < 1373356815 225125 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373356843 261987 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are so many options in xaos that are just for screwing with your mind < 1373356853 906719 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :smooth color palette cycling, rotation, autozoom < 1373356864 582416 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"soviet bcd to decimal decoders" this is fantastic kmc < 1373356874 432432 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what the fuck is going on < 1373356885 752824 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :should i be in ##electronics < 1373356890 460109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i used to be there but then i left < 1373356894 727634 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hope i have made your day just a little bit more cyberpunk < 1373356936 228969 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i can get into BEAM through this somehow < 1373356942 502151 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :what goes on there? < 1373357029 498250 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: you could also give a talk at the mountain view haskell thing < 1373357037 383159 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eh < 1373357039 760653 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is next week < 1373357047 640970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :or you could go see conal's talk < 1373357054 333966 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's conal's talk < 1373357080 22623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless other offers surface, Conal will give a talk. Some possible topics: top-down vs bottom-up data structures, memoization, automatic differentiation, denotational semantics, circuit timing via linear algebra. If you have a talk offer or request, please chime in. < 1373357090 408591 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's good stuff < 1373357099 279186 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :conal is p. great < 1373357107 388564 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if people would like a "Rust for Haskell programmers" talk < 1373357112 987001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not qualified to give one yet, though < 1373357117 192716 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yes, all of those < 1373357120 126397 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :please < 1373357121 731347 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :thank you < 1373357126 607469 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://dickhealth.org/post/52887357182/my-dick-looks-like-a-perilous-thicket-of-briers aaaaand gone < 1373357156 434473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: why should you let that stop you < 1373357369 747750 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Quit: Goodbye tilde < 1373357930 6309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.8 fps... 2.15 fps < 1373357933 568170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gah. < 1373357940 174756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shouldn't use the IRC input line for notes.) < 1373358278 585525 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: D: < 1373358838 925265 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: *MWAHAHAHA* we know your secret notes! < 1373358865 488595 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no is this mad science < 1373359376 424166 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373359830 222463 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just fiddling with gstreamer; I've always wanted to take a time-lapse picture of something, but my camera doesn't know how to do that; realized the other day that the N900 has a passable camera, and can be controlled programmatically. < 1373359918 500587 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/fCXS seems to work nicely for capturing one 1080p-sized frame per second over wifi. (JPEG'd, unfortunately; raw frames are too big for the TCP part.) < 1373360126 485417 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Gunna" be the most exciting video on the YouTubes for sure https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130709-frame00000000.jpg < 1373360175 814849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In some frames... there's... a car...) < 1373360215 106241 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373360543 935744 :Tod-Autojoined!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373360652 925712 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh no, my video camera started ringing. :/ < 1373360774 466929 :rodgort!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373360809 544659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130709-frame00000963.jpg -- apparently taking a picture and vibrating aren't really supposed to be done simultaneously. < 1373360812 972510 :atehwa!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361121 408946 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361121 604413 :atehwa_!atehwa@aulis.sange.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361121 905470 :constant!root@freebsd/developer/variable QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361122 56233 :glogbackup!~glogbacku@64.31.59.246 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361122 446507 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361122 960620 :rodgort`!~rodgort@li125-242.members.linode.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361123 107224 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361123 996186 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361124 300321 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361125 332031 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361125 568467 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361126 214160 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361127 47721 :ineiros_!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361129 89803 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361131 425715 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361131 602560 :sivoais!~zaki@unaffiliated/sivoais QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361131 753130 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361131 753201 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373361232 548681 :matthiaskrgr!Matthiaskr@uk.v6.cloud.panicbnc.co.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361268 524611 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 213052 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-wtanxjtchlqwuaus JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 364653 :pikhq!~pikhq@24-107-196-13.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 364800 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 364915 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 364991 :augur_!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 365067 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 365145 :yiyus!1242712427@je.je.je JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 365222 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 365297 :ineiros_!~itniemin@bayesianconspiracy.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361339 365371 :neena!~neena@codesurfers.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373361485 165017 :variable!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-wtanxjtchlqwuaus NICK :Guest26607 < 1373363939 62764 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-71-68.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373364061 838519 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-88-68.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373364810 436539 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373364972 152885 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373365864 245870 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373365874 236608 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello, again < 1373365960 530432 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tanello < 1373366069 326296 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :AnotherTello < 1373366094 711175 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi Taneb < 1373366162 458573 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what was that thingy that ion was working on < 1373366186 946233 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Latër < 1373366196 139363 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu/Nu/etc.? < 1373366232 921173 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Perhaps! < 1373366234 467246 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(yes) < 1373366256 724321 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, there are these types Mu/Nu/Fix. < 1373366285 176206 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1373366285 656970 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're all equivalent, in Haskell. The exercises were to write mu2nu and so on, and figure out some things about them. < 1373366307 636349 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Give me definitions of the types and I will give it an independent go? < 1373366326 395221 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Fix f = Fix { runFix :: f (Fix f) } < 1373366336 935827 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Mu f = Mu { runMu :: forall r. (f r -> r) -> r } < 1373366347 94283 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :data Nu f = forall x. Nu x (x -> f x) < 1373366366 395567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :So the exercises are, uh... < 1373366381 667735 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Write mu2nu etc. < 1373366415 130062 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mu Maybe/Nu Maybe = Nat, more or less. Without using recursion or Nat, write muZero, muSucc, muToInt, nuZero, nuSucc, etc. < 1373366456 996372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Figure out what the differences (and the similarities) are between Mu Maybe and Nu Maybe. < 1373366465 796478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Um, there was something else I was going to say. < 1373366468 280751 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't even have a syntax highlighter on this computer... < 1373366476 766617 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have ghci? < 1373366479 663046 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No < 1373366491 391558 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not my computer, I wouldn't feel right installing it < 1373366501 728 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :You should get ghci somehow. < 1373366502 455259 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mu2fix (Mu r) = r Fix < 1373366503 867759 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373366527 835473 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep. < 1373366543 738598 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373366622 591985 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh: Write inMu :: Functor f => f (Mu f) -> Mu f, and similarly for outMu, inNu, outNu < 1373366657 485847 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Easy version: Write inFix and outFix.) < 1373366690 861750 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Prove that Mu F and Nu F are fixed points of F (tricky). < 1373367026 697363 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix2mu (Fix f) = Mu $ \r -> r $ flip (runMu . fix2mu) r <$> f < 1373367027 477279 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373367122 831561 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it type-checks then I guess so? < 1373367130 418990 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea if it typechecks! < 1373367140 744847 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well < 1373367141 777984 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It type-checks. < 1373367150 840990 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some idea whether it type-checks or not < 1373367153 723527 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks reasonable. < 1373367167 500973 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm just doing this in Notepad and my brain < 1373367203 693213 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo ghci > brain hth < 1373367383 580184 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373367634 342120 :mtve!~mtve@10130.x.rootbsd.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373367657 263084 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373367727 949507 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373367817 670739 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1373368115 202016 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix2nu f = Nu f runFix < 1373368129 25850 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I'm using School of Haskell to test my code now) < 1373368138 131062 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that compiles but feels weird...) < 1373368169 396899 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weirder than: mu2fix m = runMu m Fix ? < 1373368180 891792 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looks exactly dual to me. :-) < 1373368311 357692 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not used to existential quantification < 1373368316 241381 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's pretty weird. < 1373368326 642116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it's actually not weird. < 1373368342 418951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it's weird when you're not used to it. < 1373368502 654146 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373368581 279621 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Am I allowed to say mu2nu = fix2nu . mu2fix ? < 1373368626 794287 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure, I guess. Or you're allowed to to inline them. < 1373368637 449000 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also possible to write mu2nu without the Fix type, but trickier. < 1373368662 175152 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Chasles applied to haskell function composition? < 1373368685 394903 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The other way round introduces a functor constraint which I do not know whether it is necessary or not < 1373368718 459372 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thinking about it, it seems necessary? < 1373368810 723073 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :On another note, Ian Stewart's personal webpage looks very 1997 < 1373368816 203222 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://freespace.virgin.net/ianstewart.joat/index.htm < 1373368836 111066 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it seems necessary. < 1373368886 448593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :cata :: Functor f => (f a -> a) -> Fix f -> a < 1373368909 76496 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ana :: Functor f => (a -> f a) -> a -> Fix f < 1373368949 719335 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hylo :: Functor f => (f b -> b) -> (a -> f a) -> a -> b < 1373368958 114998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These functions should seem familiar. < 1373368967 784361 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :These are the "hard" directions. < 1373369563 960717 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373369669 750141 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373369770 734295 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373369958 916924 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have gone wrong somewhere < 1373369969 668169 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :> print $ muToInt $ muSucc $ muSucc $ muSucc muZero < 1373369970 721725 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1373369970 919180 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Not in scope: `muToInt'Not in scope: `muSucc'Not in scope: `muSucc'Not in s... < 1373369977 288791 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shush, lambdabot < 1373370021 214737 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems I've written "double and add one" instead of succ < 1373370075 876475 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds reasonable. < 1373370105 953324 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might help -- especially with Nu -- to write one, two, etc. yourself before writing succ. < 1373370117 945590 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm doing that with Mu < 1373370192 680598 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, got it working this time < 1373370238 494366 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: You can also write the isomorphism between Mu Maybe and newtype Nat = Nat { runNat :: forall a. (a -> a) -> a -> a }, if you feel like it. < 1373370243 170147 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(But it's pretty straightforward.) < 1373370510 510248 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1373370515 386095 :Phantom_Hoover!~Phantom@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover/x-3377486 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373371047 383190 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373371089 248399 :Taneb!59f0aebf@gateway/web/freenode/ip.89.240.174.191 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1373371353 751709 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373371417 634284 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373371685 654137 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373371770 401961 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373371784 329261 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373371804 875732 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373371836 481826 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1373371866 993966 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373372131 427757 :itsy!~digital_w@46.208.115.220 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373372749 995453 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373372923 373432 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373374223 628761 :surma!uid6361@c-base/crew/surma QUIT :Quit: Connection closed for inactivity < 1373374332 856730 :TeruFSX!~TeruFSX@65-128-175-59.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373374455 963896 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373376062 173693 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there anything that can simulate having additional latency on a network connection? < 1373376076 692565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it would be nice to be able to see for myself how much e.g. some additional ping would affect irssi in mosh < 1373376172 239723 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :IIRC, if you run your stuff in virtualbox, there are options to simulate lag and packet drop in vbox's network config. < 1373376238 631714 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :interesting < 1373376249 943736 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so I could like proxy mosh through a virtualbox with a simulated bad internet connection :p < 1373376277 71752 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :something convoluted and hackish like that, yes. < 1373376413 6376 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Two ssh tunnels < 1373376493 923421 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373376782 370545 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Linux's traffic shaping layer has the "netem" module for that, but it's probably not the most user-friendly way. < 1373376813 626604 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.linuxfoundation.org/collaborate/workgroups/networking/netem "This is the simplest example, it just adds a fixed amount of delay to all packets going out of the local Ethernet. [[ tc qdisc add dev eth0 root netem delay 100ms ]]" < 1373376819 747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that's not so hard, after all. < 1373376827 921932 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I figured out why Tilaa's pricing was so absurd: I'm paying $20/mo now, but I was converting the euro prices to GBP and going "ooh, it's 20, like I'm paying now". < 1373376883 476738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1373376893 234000 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: netem's not hard, just complex, and a powerful timewaster where you can tweak your day away and not notice anything. < 1373376918 643907 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: I have just successfully captured a three-and-a-quarter hour video (6 minutes, 28 seconds at 30 fps) of the view from the window of this office. It is MOST EXCITING. < 1373376975 571798 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm I guess I should take another look at hetzner < 1373376979 406906 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :though tilaa's prices are still good < 1373376990 448411 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I humbly request that you shall provide me with this EXCITEMENT you are talking about. < 1373377029 234730 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: don't do it. he's just trying to deduce your coordinates and body weigh. < 1373377152 67343 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: no need for deduction, I already have them. < 1373377172 433854 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(that reminds me, I should calligraphy and frame the list. it truly is a work of art and beauty and weigh) < 1373377311 115518 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :My coordinates are $$\bf{0}$$. < 1373377516 67873 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should probably upload it to YouTube, I'm sure I'd win it. < 1373377570 649174 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1373377646 820803 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: your coordinates are nearly as creativuseless as elliot's were. < 1373377657 480893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(First, though; home.) < 1373377670 50140 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: two ts!!!!! < 1373377677 489361 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: sorrytt. < 1373378316 40569 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gregor: can UMLBox do "read access to this directory but write access to this single filename in it (that may or may not exist)"? < 1373378435 109964 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, its permissions are based on mounts so are only at the directory level. < 1373378493 738601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, blah < 1373378498 111910 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could do it with a unionfs of some kind? < 1373378591 6134 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe? >_> < 1373379072 769782 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1373379786 561767 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373379809 912261 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373380863 394276 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1373380996 254599 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373381180 959626 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1373381391 443177 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0w8rDXZohA if you can HANDLE IT. < 1373382064 575744 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: the TREES are nice, as are the DOGS. < 1373382556 877102 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :finland is cute < 1373383199 480315 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1373385258 502510 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if it's gonna "go viral". I understand that happens when you upload to the tube. < 1373385418 451282 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I want to be infected by that. < 1373385496 931455 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I, for one, welcome our new Finnish overlords. < 1373385501 411733 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: did you get booted from irc.mozilla.org? < 1373385513 622037 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :did shachaf overdo the monoids jokes < 1373385555 247932 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373385620 937938 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://medium.com/surveillance-state/a6e0e5fca935 < 1373385632 866000 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love monoid jokes. They are so easy. < 1373385665 618789 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373385667 423318 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :re link < 1373385998 503206 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373386399 243444 :Yonkie!~Yonkie@ip.82.144.199.214.stat.volia.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :monoid jokes? what is it? < 1373386431 41352 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: I find they typically lack depth < 1373386732 516666 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah you can use netem, or keithw's thing http://alfalfa.mit.edu/ < 1373386740 939823 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which takes an actual trace of delivery times on a cell network and replays it < 1373386777 885925 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :suspect I'm out of luck being stuck on OS X < 1373386783 930519 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless I do the hideous virtualbox solution < 1373386969 926237 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :write a LD_PRELOAD or whatever the OS equiv is that just slows down network calls < 1373386972 934700 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OS X equiv* < 1373387083 499667 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :at that point it becomes easier to spend the $20 on a month's service so I can just test it :P < 1373387256 400197 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but where's the hack value in that < 1373387284 316574 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you really want to test a high latency connection, you should use a service that charges $5 < 1373387316 963049 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: well, I am a hack. < 1373387448 65728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in the rust language meeting < 1373387509 757707 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have you told them it's weird as heck yet < 1373387515 376305 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :people are discussing whether to continue to use linked lists of small bits of memory as a stack < 1373387562 980715 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :spaghetti stack type stuff? < 1373387569 189191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah probably < 1373387584 28867 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, whine whine conflation of language and implementation whine whine that I don't actually have the heart to care about < 1373387593 284424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's the rust implementation meeting too ;P < 1373387610 766819 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they should have them in separate buildings < 1373387616 335093 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :have to be decontaminated to pass between them < 1373387619 997629 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it might end up in the language because when you call a C function it needs to give you a big contiguous stack, and there will be an annotation to say how much you want < 1373387625 600128 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :and no bringing in materials from one to the other < 1373387627 818793 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and whether to do it earlier than necessary < 1373388290 245874 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373388319 321849 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do they actually need to set up a full stack for C FFI < 1373388381 819310 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well your C function wants some stack < 1373388390 792413 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not going to call the magic __morestack function or whatever < 1373388400 884745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi jsvine < 1373388408 718221 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi kmc! < 1373388432 275359 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a few weeks of being distracted by another project, I'm back on #esoteric < 1373388445 404923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: this is only really a problem on 32-bit; on 64-bit you can just allocate 2MB of address space per stack and let the VM subsystem fill in pages as needed < 1373388469 467481 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: oh I see, it is not that the stack gets filled in with entries corresponding to rust < 1373388475 991377 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do they really care about 32-bit :p < 1373388477 136265 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :? < 1373388484 668247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: yeah, because Servo is supposed to be a mobile browser too < 1373388494 562792 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and mobile is going to be 32-bit for a while yet < 1373388498 932751 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :um, like, I thought you meant that they'd allocate a stack for C FFI and then fill it with entries corresponding to rust call frames. < 1373388501 928513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :for some reason. < 1373388506 374971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1373388518 30629 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, isn't RAM in phones pushing 1-2 gigs now? < 1373388527 295274 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess they can just do PAE type stuff for a long while < 1373388539 549664 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1373388549 464157 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :phones have a lot of processes running < 1373388565 143038 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think it'll be a while yet before low-end phones have >4 GB < 1373388576 739471 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373390632 24920 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Killed (cameron.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services)) < 1373390639 900462 :Guest6451!~brook@172.245.33.194 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373390641 110078 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla JOIN :#esoteric < 1373390688 892273 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: Koen_ < 1373390844 252463 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373390874 911526 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was quietly, randomly "fortune -a"ing, and once again I stumbled upon a very short and mysterious message: < 1373390876 521438 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, I got stuck and wandered off < 1373390884 584699 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :“Mene, mene, tekel, upharsen.” < 1373390918 674791 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyone here has an idea about its meaning? < 1373390946 255321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :DOOM. < 1373390953 366737 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds German? Possibly Yiddish? < 1373390972 461693 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[[ The expression originates from the Book of Daniel, Chapter 5, from the handwriting on the wall that was witnessed at a banquet hosted by king Belshazzar. As those at the feast profaned the sacred vessels pillaged from the Jerusalem Temple, a disembodied hand appeared and wrote on the palace wall the words, "Mene, Mene, Tekel, Upharsin". The prophet Daniel was summoned and interpreted this ... < 1373390978 951974 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... message as the imminent end for the Babylonian kingdom. That night, Belshazzar was killed and the Persians sacked the capital city. ]] < 1373390988 671672 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I have looked this up for a different place where it was referred to. Bored of the Rings, perhaps.) < 1373391011 865364 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://news.slashdot.org/story/13/07/09/0052211/sent-to-jail-because-of-a-software-bug?utm_source=butt&utm_medium=butt < 1373391015 86428 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google translate says it's Norwegian. it's biblical enough for me. < 1373391037 752065 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«Believe, believe, Tekel, upharsin.» < 1373391078 978709 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ya gotta believe me, Tekel, they be upharsin', I tell ya! < 1373391079 679332 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Daniel%205:25&version=KJV < 1373391141 75171 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: maybe upharsin is Old Norse for "fternooner". < 1373391165 734853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"[26] This is the interpretation of the thing: /Mene/; God hath numbered thy kingdom, and finished it. [27] /Tekel/; Thou art weighed in the balances, and art found wanting. [28] /Peres/; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians." -- also the translation. < 1373391203 232297 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why it's "Peres" when it was "Upharsin" just three verses up, but I'm sure it's some kinda language thing. < 1373391222 997677 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the etymology of "doona", as in the Australian-English synonym of duvet? < 1373391274 660651 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it was a brand name < 1373391315 230267 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :From Scandinavian "dyna"? < 1373391481 953739 :Guest6451!~brook@172.245.33.194 QUIT :Quit: My damn controlling terminal disappeared! < 1373391495 270481 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also! (I am easily distracted) < 1373391502 328315 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No wait, that is a stupid idea < 1373391510 636981 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :RIP Guest6451 < 1373391592 592850 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait! It is a less stupid idea than I previously thought! < 1373391606 892032 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Still pretty stupid, though < 1373391613 500051 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION distractingly pokes Taneb
< 1373391625 382285 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373391627 625300 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Using different colours to compress memory! < 1373391652 692147 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar oh god I am on holiday and do not know the nearest airport < 1373391653 159594 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1373391661 185723 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where are you? < 1373391693 547861 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGHN < 1373391694 14148 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1373391703 165934 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isle of Wight < 1373391704 961764 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGNH < 1373391705 437993 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGNH 091720Z 30007KT CAVOK 21/14 Q1027 < 1373391745 543856 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGHJ < 1373391745 938289 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :--- Station not found! < 1373391754 639825 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. both wightian airfields aren't listed... < 1373391755 534746 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isle of Wight/Sandown airport is closest < 1373391777 373738 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Send an angry message to the metarthorities < 1373391804 242595 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll have to implement multiple metarsources. < 1373391849 344432 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~metar EGHI < 1373391849 793232 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :EGHI 091720Z 03009KT 360V070 CAVOK 24/08 Q1025 < 1373391911 765692 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wunderground puts you in Southampton when searching for EGHN. < 1373391921 497845 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-88-68.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373392012 234610 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-80-15.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373392055 623070 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 PRIVMSG #esoteric :To be fair, Southamption is about as close to the Isle of Wight you can get without actually being on the Isle of Wight or a boat or getting quite wet < 1373392303 974905 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373392398 401033 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-80-15.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1373392413 952852 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :My favorite series of rhymes involving areas of Britain is "All those angry letter writers / Like disgusted from the Isle of Wight and / Mad from Hull, and outraged from Leeds / And slightly annoyed from Berwick-on-Tweed" < 1373392469 463775 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/and/or/ if you like feminine half-rhymes. < 1373392510 198679 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373392545 439895 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we had a Hull in Québec, but it was assimilated into Gatineau / Ottawa. < 1373392591 248735 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1373393236 248946 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373394016 219098 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-58.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373394029 709196 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1373394151 263179 :Taneb!0262ca17@gateway/web/freenode/ip.2.98.202.23 QUIT :Ping timeout: 250 seconds < 1373394630 320088 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :katla: oh yeah? yeah about what? < 1373394900 989721 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel < 1373394968 7753 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh shit, it's beaky < 1373395102 247465 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :where < 1373395303 184859 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##electronics < 1373395322 637293 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's saying sentences that seem to convey information!! shocking < 1373395353 592082 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i heard about soldering iron aventures < 1373395354 137643 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ad < 1373395455 720969 :AnotherTest!~AnotherTe@94-224-28-191.access.telenet.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373395900 988000 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to read it < 1373395999 397545 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373396033 6686 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1373396065 65245 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :read what < 1373396098 943700 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373396299 505901 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1373396299 734594 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :As the recent sightings of bumper stickers reading "IN CASE OF RAPTURE, THIS < 1373396299 885395 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :VEHICLE WILL BE UNMANNED" have created a great deal of confusion, Fortune < 1373396299 885588 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :offers the following excerpts from the 1989 printing of the State of Maryland < 1373396299 885698 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Driver's Handbook: < 1373396299 885804 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric : If you notice a glorious light in the sky, a sound as of an infinite < 1373396300 371784 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :choir of unearthly voices, and a host of winged beings descending from the < 1373396300 522704 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :heavens, do not panic. If you are on the freeway, move to the shoulder as < 1373396301 364270 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :soon as it is safe to do so, activate your hazard blinkers, and wait for the < 1373396301 514693 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :end of the world. If you are Saved, it is especially important that you do < 1373396302 381810 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :this BEFORE you are carried to your Eternal Reward, in order that your vehicle < 1373396302 532578 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not become a hazard to others. Remember, Rapture is the number one cause of < 1373396303 354921 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :automobile accidents during major spiritual upheavals. You may experience a < 1373396303 505301 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :feeling of discorporation ("being pulled from one's body") while driving. To < 1373396304 385114 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ensure the safety of your passengers and other drivers, move to the shoulder < 1373396334 316756 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! I hit a flood! < 1373396342 231468 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1373396342 508944 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :One planet is all you get. < 1373396348 919283 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1373396355 880938 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck help < 1373396356 295837 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Help is any form of assistance. < 1373397275 469620 :katla!~brook@unaffiliated/katla QUIT :Quit: katla has no reason < 1373397591 764011 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1373397592 50458 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The real trouble with women is that they have *all* the pussy. < 1373397680 85242 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh. < 1373397715 458874 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :metasepia................. < 1373397735 800614 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :no....... < 1373397737 140708 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1373397738 182416 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION smacks his bot with a rolled newspaper. "bad bot"
< 1373397740 975351 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that supposed to mean < 1373397741 331758 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~fortune < 1373397741 561515 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pig: An animal (Porcus omnivorous) closely allied to the human race by the < 1373397741 712281 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :splendor and vivacity of its appetite, which, however, is inferior in scope, < 1373397741 862618 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :for it balks at pig. < 1373397741 862696 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :-- Ambrose Bierce < 1373397742 821296 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it always -o? < 1373397753 579423 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah no, it's -a. < 1373397802 930332 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get the ones with the uppercase words < 1373397807 544985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/hZWW I... don't think that's right. < 1373397824 579428 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :For example this one: "When I met th'POPE back in '58, I scrubbed him with a MILD SOAP or DETERGENT for 15 minutes. He seemed to enjoy it ..." < 1373397828 752711 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the hidden meaning? < 1373397886 411002 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :those are zippy-the-pinhead-like. a kind of surreal madlib, if you want. < 1373397912 349579 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that sounds awfully similar to a grad student research project. < 1373397934 248559 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: In reality, it's just non-study-related fiddling. < 1373397950 878315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's my own code.) < 1373398184 30770 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1373398332 219838 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be JOIN :#esoteric < 1373398384 873927 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As usual, it was a case of nuns-in-nuns-out. I mean, NaNs. < 1373398552 800882 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :another victim of St-nAnne of the Sisterhood of Uncomputable Numbers. < 1373398563 861909 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :incidentally, maybe the brand name 'Cutter' isn't the best for a U-lock < 1373398600 413188 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: fun problem: what is 0x1p1023 + 0x1p1023 - 0x1p1023 - 0x1p1023? < 1373398650 676025 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses his fingers...
< 1373398723 527686 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :1p? < 1373398735 645387 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: I end up with a green zebra. < 1373398746 483956 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: What is that p < 1373398746 805872 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I made a mental mistake somewhere... < 1373398843 680321 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro: that equation put into an unsigned long long, then printfed, gives me 0. < 1373398905 112242 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: floating point exponent < 1373398940 125257 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: in floating point it's variously +inf,-inf, 0, and NaN depending on how you order the operations < 1373398972 607381 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :now that I doubled it, I get +inf. < 1373398982 156686 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is annoying, nonetheless, I need to get a bike lock that's convenient to use, but I also do want to get a better bike within a few months. < 1373399568 794455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The whole channel would certainly benefit from a better bike. < 1373399618 868778 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fuck. Anyone who has anything to do with bicycles and bicycle locks doesn't remotely fucking believe in cool URIs < 1373399799 272255 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1373399923 782826 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373399936 98539 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1373400096 290591 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373400096 614914 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373400096 615045 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373400303 415907 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373400310 188316 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373400402 549694 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373400402 743010 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373400402 743102 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373400436 436821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a soundtrack to that u-tube video, but can't figure out how to paste it in posthumously. < 1373400604 982988 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it's not a possible. < 1373401090 523455 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Youtube editor thing could work < 1373401098 780532 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or you could reupload < 1373401427 414021 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373401427 959596 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373401428 260883 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373401476 219230 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373401476 369756 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373401476 369905 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373401679 104229 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1373402320 717246 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373402321 134339 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373402321 290705 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so QUIT :*.net *.split < 1373402407 217403 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373402505 700149 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1373402505 850589 :lifthrasiir!~lifthrasi@115.68.131.49 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373402505 850659 :Gregor!~Gregor@libdl.so JOIN :#esoteric < 1373403901 607613 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: Poulet! < 1373403903 509515 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1373404017 372979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Booted? < 1373404021 888099 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so? < 1373404039 187575 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it disconnected me and wouldn't let me reconnect with SSL on port 6697 < 1373404042 804979 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :only plaintext on 6667 < 1373404076 561094 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION is using plaintext anyway.
< 1373404707 927506 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :first servo patch \o/ https://github.com/mozilla/servo/commit/cfffd0542404b60923f3f524f5144693d9b89f00 < 1373404708 244412 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                | < 1373404708 471577 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                |\ < 1373404715 53099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :myndzi: <3 < 1373404729 301761 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that kind of looks like he's hanging onto a cliff made of text o_O < 1373404758 220499 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373404777 511721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zomg #[deriving(Eq)] < 1373404785 198814 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: is that your first patch at mozilla? :o < 1373404793 263155 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1373404794 953216 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what kind of equality does it derive < 1373404800 203131 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: mozilla getting their money's worth there < 1373404803 640191 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the best kind < 1373404805 571780 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: ikr < 1373404808 404165 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, Head Instance Deriver < 1373404818 595887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :today instances, tomorrow the world < 1373404827 528948 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :congrats! also, nice that your first patch actually removes code XD < 1373404833 797174 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes! < 1373404836 80601 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am pleased about that < 1373404842 684099 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :removing code is the best < 1373404845 884483 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok now you have to keep a net negative. < 1373404847 648937 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :forever. < 1373404855 736311 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I was net negative on Mosh for a long time < 1373404861 138166 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I deleted a bunch of bundled third party libraries < 1373404870 486511 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw what is their really wacky merge thing like < 1373404871 314074 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmcodedestroyer < 1373404872 450228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all those github bots < 1373404876 797257 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :they scare me < 1373404881 902156 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not too bad < 1373404914 473200 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you open a pull request the normal way, then someone reviews it and replies with "r+" to accept it, then the bot merges to branch auto, runs tests on several platforms, and if that passes it merges to master < 1373404948 143065 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ugh github pull requests < 1373404953 528998 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::'( < 1373404962 386509 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what happens to auto if the tests fail < 1373404972 982649 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1373404979 432898 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :chaos in the streets < 1373405051 493647 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so an instance is called an "implementation" < 1373405065 220691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :betraying rust's operational roots < 1373405088 382341 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :so what is the point of auto if it doesn't handle tests failing... < 1373405161 572154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it probably does something sane, I just don't know what ;P < 1373405303 154406 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe I should work on rust < 1373405306 629479 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :instead of being bored half the time < 1373405443 504064 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373405444 236365 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do it < 1373405459 192189 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately I am lazy 100% of the time < 1373405491 386388 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373405566 666514 :Guest26607!root@gateway/shell/trekweb.org/x-wtanxjtchlqwuaus QUIT :Changing host < 1373405566 816876 :Guest26607!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1373405571 512179 :Guest26607!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :variable < 1373405754 876987 :Bike!~Glossina@71-214-90-184.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373405878 919062 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-243.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373406138 26262 :Ermelys!~canaima@190.121.238.22 JOIN :#esoteric < 1373406156 946045 :Ermelys!~canaima@190.121.238.22 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1373406160 311587 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373406164 104716 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome Ermelys < 1373406170 391380 :Ermelys!~canaima@190.121.238.22 PART :#esoteric < 1373406172 498139 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​0506Erm07ely13s: Welcome03 11to the int05er06national hub for esoteric progr03ammin05g l11a14nguage d08e08si06gn 02and d12e05plo14yment! For more06 info13rmation, 04check out 02our02 wiki: ht10tp://esolangs03.07org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind 02of esoterica07, try #e03soteric on irc.da06l.n06et08.) < 1373406174 763452 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373406177 93179 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i take it back!! < 1373406201 661577 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-69-243.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1373406254 261451 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373406376 756223 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did the colours change? < 1373406396 642747 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they were never fixed < 1373406619 126252 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`rwelcome Koen_ < 1373406621 870866 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​6Koen_: 4Welcome 7to 8the 9international 2hub 13for 6esoteric 4programming 7language 8design 9and 2deployment! 13For 6more 4information, 7check 8out 9our 2wiki: 13http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. 6(For 4the 7other 8kind 9of 2esoterica, 13try 6#esoteric 4on 7irc.dal.net.) < 1373406628 347337 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this one is fixed < 1373406658 457766 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm i'm wondering if all the spanish speakers are just because our channel starts with es... < 1373406723 622010 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh thanks < 1373406735 83946 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my rainbow is better than yours Ermelys < 1373406744 443211 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: let's move to #oteric < 1373406771 652579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Did you mean: esoteric" < 1373406793 962340 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :enoteric < 1373406829 65639 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :something tells me S. Oteric on facebook is not using his real name. < 1373406870 911354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also no:oter = en:otter < 1373407136 188718 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric := pl:wydra < 1373407219 350851 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :pesky indoeuropeans < 1373407271 478138 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(by which i mean that it looks related through a few plausible sound changes) < 1373407336 989619 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently they are cognates < 1373407338 569285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :especially as dropping w before o is something that happened in norse. < 1373407354 454063 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(e.g. no:ulv = en:wolf) < 1373407366 279791 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1373407382 334784 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:odin older_germanic:wotan < 1373407385 65071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric := pl:wilk < 1373407394 308610 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wolf that is < 1373407401 693672 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Odin is just Odin < 1373407424 200141 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373407435 450433 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, no < 1373407438 719565 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's Odyn < 1373407447 407545 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373407476 278437 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but does it refer to the _norse_ god or to the corresponding ancient polish/slavic god < 1373407490 299604 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(whoever that is) < 1373407509 360210 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because if it was really anciently related, it'd be the latter. < 1373407514 236452 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Norse god < 1373407533 561428 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Slavic gods are a different parthenon < 1373407545 866526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*pantheon < 1373407563 636676 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :parthathamenon < 1373407606 27295 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :no:ull = en:wool < 1373407610 734621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`olist (898) < 1373407612 120200 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :olist (898): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly < 1373407615 944785 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay! < 1373407618 196746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: how come you didn't tell me :'( < 1373407651 144963 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i just found out at the same time as you hth < 1373407653 731318 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric := pl:wełna < 1373407677 105071 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, en:cotton is pl:bawełna < 1373407680 278203 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a bug on my screen < 1373407690 397417 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :apparently it likes your 'l's < 1373407700 676661 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's not a bug =P < 1373407736 928256 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric := no:bomull, although that's a half-translated borrowing from de:Baumwolle < 1373407747 672182 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree wool :D < 1373407778 249939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh it came out 8 minutes ago < 1373407778 985510 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suspect the polish is as well < 1373407790 941723 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1373407800 930783 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bawełna is from Proto-Slavic < 1373407854 691353 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh, i vaguely didn't think cotton was known in europe in proto-times < 1373407864 995863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(fi:puuvilla, also "tree wool".) < 1373407883 139332 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well maybe it's a compound of ba- and wełna < 1373407896 335187 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: so does ba- mean tree in polish too, then? < 1373407904 513430 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1373407918 945385 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tree is drzewo < 1373407932 367656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :...that doesn't prove ba- doesn't mean tree :P < 1373407941 183867 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wood is drewno, forest is las < 1373408040 706088 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Ba doesn't mean tree =P < 1373408047 904346 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh america had their own cotton plants which were domesticated < 1373408076 957964 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mr. Oarjohn < 1373408078 889629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :"During the late medieval period, cotton became known as an imported fiber in northern Europe, without any knowledge of how it was derived, other than that it was a plant; noting its similarities to wool, people in the region could only imagine that cotton must be produced by plant-borne sheep." < 1373408126 479629 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plant-borne sheep =P < 1373408136 995027 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vegetable_Lamb_of_Tartary < 1373408249 113672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1373408271 811845 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it was once believed that barnacle geese hatch out of goose barnacles < 1373408280 902595 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :this is more meat-from-meat, but https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mock_Turtle < 1373408971 458360 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1373408979 303851 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :horpal < 1373409041 333225 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That sounds like a rather nasty disease. :( < 1373409052 464293 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"oh the horping balls" < 1373409070 739326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now you made it sound like an STD < 1373409080 949566 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rovlap < 1373409105 889879 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, Your link in the lambdabot message. It isn't working, even after enabling js on that site. < 1373409159 300998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me try another browser < 1373409179 64466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah works in chrome < 1373409202 228762 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, is that a home made pano head? < 1373409203 258251 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :nice < 1373409224 556207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really good results < 1373409274 639099 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm TRYING to install the haskell platform on this windows machine. < 1373409293 893586 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hit a bug though where it locks up on adding stuff to PATH. For about 15 minutes per item it is adding. < 1373409308 445992 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is a bug report open < 1373409496 351200 :jsvine!~Adium@205.203.128.141 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1373409600 750349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hah, mike4_ in ##crypto. < 1373409608 744788 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :This is like some kind of pattern. < 1373409612 343115 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you know mike4_ < 1373409613 331013 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Windows sucks, so I don't think the haskell people don't concentrate on it as much < 1373409618 817342 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also which pattern < 1373409638 368368 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :mike4_ is a troll < 1373409645 897734 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1373409651 525167 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is he linking to articles that prove crypto is a waste of time < 1373409658 413083 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1373409665 504430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :he's just being thick < 1373409691 208517 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i _did_ succeed in installing the haskell platform on windows (8) the other day, it may have been slow but it was relatively painless. the pain happened when i tried to run cabal install :P < 1373409693 966823 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why would crypto be a waste of time? < 1373409696 233427 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :vaguely considering joining ##crypto just to see the trolls < 1373409709 567255 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(_don't_ try to do it from inside winghci hth) < 1373409713 784021 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: it seems to be his schtick < 1373409719 601327 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: a "migratory" pattern, maybe < 1373409726 900247 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does he join #haskell and link articles to prove haskell is a waste of time < 1373409728 519264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :of people from #haskell to ##crypto < 1373409729 90226 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without crypto there wouldn't be online banking =P < 1373409730 2221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that the pattern < 1373409788 33278 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:20:25 does haskell compare in performance speed to C or C++? < 1373409788 184147 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :just standard "justify haskell to me" stuff, along with linking an obvious troll article about FP sucking < 1373409788 334860 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:22:03 it runs like python and java? < 1373409788 335091 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:22:54 does haskell run as fast as python. < 1373409788 335200 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:22:58 ? < 1373409788 335306 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:23:23 but slower than c and c++ < 1373409790 538597 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:23 well does Haskell apps run slower than C and C++? < 1373409793 44721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :08:25:51 faster? < 1373409803 818400 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/13.05.02:09:06:34 please check that link that gives an extensive critique on FUNCTIONAL PROGRAMMING. < 1373409812 579600 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/13.05.02:09:07:53 Why go functional even! Please! < 1373409818 799928 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lol < 1373409851 384473 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :great < 1373409858 979378 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :your program will terminate the quickest if you print out "Segmentation fault" and exit(139) < 1373409864 392511 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, show me a non-functional programming language where the compiler tells you if you're doing something wrong with your red-black tree < 1373409880 985765 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, mike4_ has been more prolific than i thought < 1373409883 176853 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :they don't care < 1373409883 827050 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :under more than one nick < 1373409886 600617 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, or if someone else does. < 1373409916 737592 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: any other nicks other than philosophy? < 1373409917 656736 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: windows is a supported platform for the platform. it's just that ... argh wtf can't this touchpad control program keep my touchpad settings under control between hibernations... < 1373409924 114400 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :(which I already knew about) < 1373409935 491374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: That's the one I meant. < 1373409943 105914 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/13.04.24:11:58:35 hi, i thought programming was about solving peoples problems, instead of creating more. < 1373409946 679319 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmm i really wanna see this anti-FP article < 1373409948 188174 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373409949 725796 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :haskell/13.04.24:12:07:06 can hakshell be used in the field to make real world applications? < 1373409952 187446 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no you don't < 1373409952 965844 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo < 1373409964 266372 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :these mike4_ logs are p. great < 1373409965 97513 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: it's from a blog that also contains posts about how einstein was wrong and something about AI based on the bible. < 1373409965 329639 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's another dumb bullshit thing < 1373409970 50399 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :every dumb bullshit thing you've ever seen < 1373409971 336578 :nooodl!~nooodl@132.151-241-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be PRIVMSG #esoteric : < 1373409973 710448 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: so uh... maybe you actually do < 1373409974 517274 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :once fucking again < 1373409985 421672 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shut up i am the final arbiter on nooodl's opinions! < 1373409990 294645 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :me too < 1373409998 64761 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://koryos.tumblr.com/post/55022432802/ this is amazingly up your alley < 1373410010 766600 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it about noooooodl ooooopinioooons < 1373410018 461186 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"all right guys here it is THE BIG GAY ANIMAL SEX POST" fiora. < 1373410049 728154 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fun fact: according to observations over 90% of giraffe sex is between two males < 1373410085 638746 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's after they duel. so basically they fight and then make out < 1373410097 269874 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :giraffes more like gayraffes. < 1373410103 401502 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :really though this is totally your thing. < 1373410114 801316 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fiora thinks bikes are super into gay bestiality < 1373410116 92705 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1373410124 214772 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I think of Bike I immediately think "fighting and then making out" < 1373410145 46975 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you implying < 1373410146 908197 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think you're into evolutionary biology, doofus :p < 1373410158 148518 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i wouldn't be surprised if prairie dogs could say "steve from accounting is super hot" < 1373410179 641649 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm hitting on you again. that seems to happen a lot < 1373410185 395573 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :bicycles and their two-wheeled temptations............. < 1373410190 333089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl: http://rebelscience.blogspot.com/2007/09/functional-programming-is-worse-than.html < 1373410190 794518 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I just wanted to stick my chip in the other dip" help < 1373410201 390974 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :woo < 1373410203 89266 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :do prairie dogs have accounting < 1373410204 68347 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What most FP theorists fail to explain is that, in FP, the function itself is the variable. The variable value of functions are kept on the stack and are used as arguments for other functions. One function affects another. Insisting that there are no variables and thus no side effects in FP is wishful thinking at best and crackpottery at worst. < 1373410206 537463 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#drugz < 1373410210 762743 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :#prairiedogz < 1373410219 492365 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: seriously, can w e not < 1373410229 406816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: nooodl asked :'( < 1373410235 328920 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooodl!! < 1373410236 67690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fuck has happened to this channel in the 2 min i was away filling out paperowkr < 1373410244 91403 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :gayraffes, hth. < 1373410262 665016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :functional-programming-is-worse-than-hitler.html < 1373410262 815359 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I am enjoying the article thus far < 1373410266 13393 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to hide her giggling at work at the word "gayraffes"
< 1373410269 901199 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it's probably good < 1373410270 52825 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: want to fight and then make out? < 1373410275 488708 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just need to give fiora a hard time < 1373410279 36423 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: only if it's with elliott sorry < 1373410280 992772 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :biiiiiike < 1373410282 861887 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aww < 1373410283 543335 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :i always knew kmc was a bicycle < 1373410283 694275 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok < 1373410298 909349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc is a bicycle? < 1373410306 371257 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it is THE BIG GAY ANIMAL SEX POST < 1373410309 632200 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i can't not make some fun < 1373410345 212842 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Long story short, if you have a fetish, somewhere out there there is probably an animal who has it too. Congratulations." < 1373410352 336985 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I would want to be a bike. People would alternatively lock me up and ride me. < 1373410362 207201 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :esolangs.org/wiki/THE_BIG_GAY_ANIMAL_SEX_LANGUAGE < 1373410365 639002 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Physically, there’s not much birds can do to have homosexual sex- their junk is not designed in such a way" tragic, imo < 1373410392 826377 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: did you get good intuition for existentials hth < 1373410411 679869 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this post reminds me of a lot of uncomfortably detailed drawings of bird sex < 1373410412 250566 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure this isn't a parody. See "if your computer uses fine-grain parallelism (this is the future of computing, you can bet on it), FP will not support it because functions are inherently algorithmic." < 1373410423 38093 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Some, but i’ll still need to ponder what’s going on a bit more. < 1373410425 573163 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :4/10 < 1373410434 506582 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: so did you notice that foldr :: [a] -> Mu (ListF a), and unfoldr :: Nu (ListF a) -> [a] < 1373410447 74978 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh my, this is a photo of an elliott fisting < 1373410464 754384 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't birds basically just rub their cloacae together < 1373410467 339359 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for like 0.5 seconds < 1373410468 352999 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: i assume elliott called it an obvious troll for a reason < 1373410470 185347 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i meant elephant < 1373410476 226796 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but you know what, ok. < 1373410476 377381 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ... < 1373410478 670432 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: mind. blewn. < 1373410484 968203 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's crackpottery, not trollery < 1373410485 981721 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: can you send me that picture when i'm not at work ok < 1373410488 933621 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :plz and thx < 1373410493 355738 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I hadn’t thought about that, but i can see it. < 1373410494 227740 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, I also give crazies the benefit of the doubt < 1373410494 531116 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure < 1373410499 53890 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't know when you're not at work though < 1373410507 979173 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t unfoldr < 1373410509 520553 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(b -> Maybe (a, b)) -> b -> [a] < 1373410510 230287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :then i'll send it to my gf < 1373410513 234230 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok i'll let you know < 1373410515 903440 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :foldr :: (Maybe (a,b) -> b) -> [a] -> b < 1373410516 678667 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm actually reading this in front of something else, i am glad he's not paying attention < 1373410522 506472 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :somebody* < 1373410533 812354 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote oh my, this is a photo of an elliott fisting [...] i meant elephant but you know what, ok. Bike: ... Bike: can you send me that picture when i'm not at work ok plz and thx < 1373410537 867858 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1068) oh my, this is a photo of an elliott fisting [...] i meant elephant but you know what, ok. Bike: ... Bike: can you send me that picture when i'm not at work ok plz and thx < 1373410556 30173 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :darn, no digression on sexual torture < 1373410596 851161 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's not safe for work at moz? man... I dunno if I'd want to work there now... < 1373410613 952228 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :unfortunately elliott fisting is illegal in all 52 states < 1373410643 940020 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are the 52 states < 1373410644 90437 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :underground elliott fisting ring < 1373410657 611910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :the 50 us states, the second world, and the third world? < 1373410658 420478 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Btw, the elliotts^Welephants do that for the nutrition in poop, not for kicks. < 1373410677 702400 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"If animals didn’t find sex enjoyable, would they masturbate so much? And let me tell you, if an animal can figure out a way to pleasure itself, by god it will do it all the damn time. I work with monkeys. Don’t test me." it's hard to argue here < 1373410690 206073 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :itt bonobos < 1373410705 952604 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :can confirm I do it for the poop nutrition < 1373410711 91322 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually they said they weren't going to talk about bonobo sex because everyone already does that, lol < 1373410717 414050 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: the other two are classified < 1373410743 231782 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, the evolution of sex part is less detailed than i'd like < 1373410751 84607 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :needs more mushrooms, imo < 1373410787 411878 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell doesn't have variables, only constants < 1373410789 106362 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Above: A wasp-imitating orchid. Below: A male wasp gradually losing his self-confidence." < 1373410805 99278 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it does have variables < 1373410816 354127 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :f x = x*2 -- on the right hand side x is a variable < 1373410819 490389 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know a while ago i talked to somebody said haskell didn't have variables so they didn't change < 1373410822 471470 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because* < 1373410826 90208 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i said \x -> x + 1 < 1373410827 809256 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that was that. < 1373410840 457321 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :or IOW if Haskell doesn't have variables neither does mathematics and that's where the term comes from :P < 1373410868 987758 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: but the x on the left hand side is the same x < 1373410878 220924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :therefore that one is a variable too hth < 1373410883 234800 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoa, Man < 1373410884 612225 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: That isn't a variable changing though < 1373410893 244206 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :x is still x < 1373410899 776637 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok well how about I just link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Variable_(mathematics) < 1373410902 382759 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1373410911 312866 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :different invocations could have different values of x though < 1373410913 568670 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :crazy stuff < 1373410926 150601 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I used to say this years ago and now I have to repent for it by arguing against it < 1373410932 639311 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :because I was an obnoxious jerk about it to oerjan :'( < 1373410934 806563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: f :: () -> (); f x = x < 1373410939 868051 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is x a variable? < 1373410940 323741 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, x is a binding < 1373410944 141103 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok whatever you just said: i don't care. < 1373410945 251856 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo checkmate < 1373410962 378118 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FreeFull: this is seriously the same as math, man. is x a "binding" instead of a "variable" in f(x) = x²? < 1373411064 413009 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Sex: It’s not just for sex." thanks < 1373411126 913121 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy, pederastic elephants (elliotts) < 1373411196 522247 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no mention of zw chromosomes :'( < 1373411236 389564 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: next exercize is codensity and density hth < 1373411249 218636 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373411358 685538 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: the platypus still has the best chromosomes < 1373411414 772746 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow the last paragraph of the link nooodl asked for is so great < 1373411497 203607 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"i’m looking up stuff for my animal homosexuality post and i found a book describing sexual behavior between groups of male gray whales, the official scientific term for which is slip-and-slide orgies" i can dig it < 1373411510 952880 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :.... slip and slide < 1373411519 385043 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :biologists are actually amazing people < 1373411536 972688 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we sure this isn't just biologist code for talking about their own sex < 1373411541 462238 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :all of it < 1373411555 938033 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :"you know those giraffes, yeah, they're, like, 90% gay. giraffes. yep" < 1373411564 406041 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :masters of disguise < 1373411593 538793 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :official scientific term?? < 1373411603 426048 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'oh yeah, i study, uh, platypi. yes they're real. i'll uh, i'll make you a model, don't worry. they get up to some kinky shit though lemme tell you' < 1373411620 688993 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: yeah it's silly < 1373411637 588237 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :registered with the scientific term office < 1373411656 436654 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know they actually have that for chemistry < 1373411659 960391 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :not for gay whales, unfortunately < 1373411791 79934 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i forget if there's a central organization for binomial names or if they just agree... < 1373412002 619732 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow does every binomial have its own name < 1373412044 941978 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pun is bad + you are bad < 1373412065 270125 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't get it < 1373412074 819260 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes because it's bad. < 1373412077 753839 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :that pun is bad + you are bad + 0 = that pun is bad + you are bad < 1373412368 524328 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi what is the pun < 1373412388 953968 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :binomial names of species versus binomials in math < 1373412389 829317 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the end < 1373412414 89710 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :wow < 1373412439 394800 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :really < 1373412452 851432 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mapped altgr as space because my spacebar is too noisy < 1373412458 479910 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: am i actually bad < 1373412464 233660 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo no < 1373412478 88398 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use altgr all the time. < 1373412482 949101 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :AltGr++ < 1373412521 322567 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: also you know how (>>=) :: m a -> Codensity m a < 1373412530 211123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and (=>>) :: Density w a -> w a < 1373412542 733960 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :and fmap :: f a -> Yoneda f a and fmap :: CoYoneda f a -> f a < 1373412555 448123 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. cool imo < 1373412558 378141 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I might if i knew what Codensity and Density are. And if i hadn’t already forgotten what Yoneda and CoYoneda are. < 1373412606 798908 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually, i do faintly remember that Yoneda was kind of partially applied fmap. Well, i wouldn’t have remembered whether that was Yoneda or CoYoneda. < 1373412637 47344 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Codensity m a = Codensity { runCodensity :: forall b. (a -> m b) -> m b } < 1373412640 184458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(>>=) :: forall m a. Monad m => m a -> forall b. (a -> m b) -> m b < 1373412645 871714 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's p. straightforward imo < 1373412699 330411 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373412734 360416 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huge whitespace < 1373412749 137319 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ENLARGE YOUR WHITESPACE < 1373412773 889041 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover PRIVMSG #esoteric :IN TEN EASY STEPS < 1373412824 379923 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Yoneda is the same deal < 1373412834 399721 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :aye < 1373412877 736718 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :newtype Yoneda f a = Yoneda { runYoneda :: forall b. (a -> b) -> f b } < 1373412877 924762 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fmap :: Functor f => f a -> forall b. (a -> b) -> f b < 1373412918 458115 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I think the real equivalent of Free-based Monad for Functor is < 1373412934 920090 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh, I was going to write something here but I forgot what. < 1373412940 680479 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :free-base monad > i/3 < 1373412943 917480 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it involved a recursive fmap constructor < 1373412946 796453 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Whatever you were going to write, i disagree vehemently. < 1373412955 581669 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i assume that was a drugz joke < 1373412977 408979 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: elliott is a bit of a forgetful functor < 1373412996 89308 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ever since the free functor left adjoint to him < 1373413040 608341 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(the joke is: a free functor is left adjoint to a forgetful functor. also drugz) < 1373413047 971241 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aghsaansdf < 1373413173 704445 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i agree with Bike < 1373413187 929462 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: you don't like my drugz joke ?? < 1373413222 829981 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's a bit...."aghsaansdf" < 1373413250 94839 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: http://24.media.tumblr.com/8557b8052dfb1690467ddf86bb51a4b4/tumblr_mpnxb1GuLe1rprj1yo1_1280.jpg echidna sperm. don't only pay attention to the "cool" monotremes man < 1373413327 369406 :elliott__!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1373413327 558478 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: i bet maclane doesn't have drugz jokez < 1373413345 185610 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1373413370 490572 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1373413380 448133 :elliott__!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1373413401 839694 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1373413511 400842 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : pyrolysis of bones releases phosphine < 1373413519 362794 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :truly ##electronics is a wonderful channel < 1373413559 952815 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean fire < 1373413575 764040 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no oxygen < 1373414022 187752 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ping < 1373414022 374565 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1373414022 374713 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :pong < 1373414022 660124 :elliott__!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott JOIN :#esoteric < 1373414025 155909 :elliott__!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott NICK :elliott < 1373414046 219798 :Bike!~Glossina@75-175-75-20.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1373414150 182914 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1373414202 834196 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal QUIT :Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net < 1373414231 194350 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this channel moves damned fast kmc < 1373414240 94183 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :what channel < 1373414249 685769 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :##electronics < 1373414253 39387 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :talkin' mushrooms < 1373414255 865106 :Bike!~Glossina@67-5-227-204.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"kmconspiracy" < 1373414268 733920 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :elecdrugzics < 1373414322 421576 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/xfrUeQ4.png < 1373414325 103963 :Sgeo!~Sgeo@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :A little confusing