00:02:52 -!- heroux has joined. 00:10:23 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 00:12:20 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 00:28:52 have you guys seen the super-quine yet 00:28:53 https://github.com/mame/quine-relay 00:30:12 oh that was you huh 00:30:44 no 00:30:47 oh 00:30:56 I have never written a working quine 00:48:02 are quotes from other channels allowed? 00:48:18 what's with the star of david in the middle of the ouroboros 00:50:48 -!- carado has joined. 00:56:26 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:07:00 http://pastebin.com/uMbB7its 01:08:23 thats me 01:08:27 (what is that~) 01:08:31 wow good ~ press 01:08:37 i went for shift and hit ~ too 01:08:37 help 01:08:44 how do you even do that 01:08:49 do you have a ""weird keyboard"" 01:08:49 well ~ is next to shift 01:09:00 sounds like a yes 01:09:25 does your keyboard look like http://www.goodtyping.com/teclatUKok.png 01:10:27 it's an application to a forum 01:10:48 pretty sure they're going to be let in, i like their style 01:11:39 shachaf: sure 01:12:21 elliott: ok this is double weird 01:12:24 or maybe even triple weird 01:12:32 you press shift with your right hand?? 01:13:14 no 01:13:15 `~ 01:13:16 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ~: not found 01:13:18 is the key to the right of shift 01:13:37 wait 01:13:43 so how does your keyboard look 01:14:20 like this? http://kb.parallels.com/Attachments/19485/Images/wireless-british.jpg 01:21:02 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 01:23:10 -!- Bike has joined. 01:23:23 -!- Nisstyre has joined. 01:35:04 the fact that the busy beaver sequence grows faster than any computable sequence is at once kind of obvious and totally mind-blowing 01:37:42 sequences that grow slower than any monotonically increasing sequence are weirder, imo 01:38:07 glad I could spread the fear of those 01:38:24 btw you forgot "computable" 01:38:33 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 01:39:06 you'll figure it out 01:39:12 -!- kallisti has joined. 01:39:12 -!- kallisti has quit (Changing host). 01:39:12 -!- kallisti has joined. 01:40:03 i guess some kind of busy-beaver-inverse is an example of that? 01:40:40 f(n) = number of states needed to make a halting 2-symbol TM that runs for n steps 01:41:48 i like that inverse Ackermann function α(n) that comes up in algorithms analysis 01:42:03 yeah. the one i know f(x) = smallest kolmogorov complexity of y for all y >= x 01:42:05 which you basically assume is less than 5 for any input 01:42:13 how the hecks does inverse ackermann even come up 01:42:15 `quote largest 01:42:16 No output. 01:42:20 `quote oklo.*ac 01:42:21 54) actually just ate some of the dog food because i didn't have any human food... after a while they start tasting like porridge \ 75) oklopol geez what are you doing here ...i don't know :< i actually ate until now, although i guess i also did other things... \ 109) but yeah i'm not exactly comforta 01:42:22 i don't remember 01:42:24 `quote oklo.*ack 01:42:26 335) are there boobs you wack and squeeze around to move the mouse? [...] like those little nipples in laptop keyboards, but they'd be full-blown boobies \ 665) i think i'll just take the usual route and go do post doc research somewhere far away and never come back and become a drug lord and kill myself 01:42:28 help 01:42:29 `quote oklo.*acker 01:42:30 No output. 01:42:38 `quote oklo.*number 01:42:40 242) okay see in my head it went, you send from your other number smth like "i'd certainly like to see you in those pink panties again" and she's like "WHAT?!? Sgeo took a pic?!?!?! that FUCKING PIG" \ 400) god created the natural numbers, the rationals were done by man and the work was finally completed (topologically) by satan 01:42:41 -!- Sgeo has joined. 01:42:42 What ways are there to make C Turing-complete? Perhaps making a byte have an infinite number of bits? 01:42:46 I give up 01:42:47 i mean i've heard of it obviously 01:42:53 `quote inverse 01:42:55 No output. 01:43:09 zzo38: IO on unseekable streams? 01:43:46 "This inverse appears in the time complexity of some algorithms, such as the disjoint-set data structure and Chazelle's algorithm for minimum spanning trees." hey that's actually kind of noticeably a thing 01:44:34 meanwhile, https://secunia.com/blog/372 01:45:38 "In fact, this is asymptotically optimal: Fredman and Saks showed in 1989 that \Omega(\alpha(n)) words must be accessed by any disjoint-set data structure per operation on average" nice 01:45:47 also nice, that pasted correctly 01:47:29 the alpha and the omega 01:48:19 elliott: security drama is hilarious 01:49:14 "I think VLC mediaplayer in principle is an excelent peace of software. " i don't even know what this means. what's the VLC principle 01:49:29 it's excelent peace 02:05:09 -!- nooodl has quit (Quit: Ik ga weg). 02:11:31 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 02:11:33 Guess I should use a different video player 02:12:57 mplayer 4 lyfe 02:14:50 "World's #1 text MMO / MUD" ... "Where women wear real armor" 02:15:00 Is it not possible for women to wear real armor if you can see them? 02:15:09 -!- sardig has joined. 02:15:12 wh 02:15:18 So I decided to write a cipher, see if anyone can crack it! Hints: It is all ASCII code, available via keyboard. Cipher key: (Hexadecimal) http://pastebin.com/bN7UZCGw Encrypted text: (Hexadecimal): http://pastebin.com/KuKGf7Q0 02:15:23 Paste the ASCII deciphered(hint) result. 02:15:26 http://www.projectwonderful.com/img/uploads/pics/2970-1373396333.jpg 02:15:45 Also, that image does not make me think of a MUD. An MMO maybe, but not a MUD. 02:15:59 sardig: you're that challenge person with a bunch of names right 02:16:50 Available via keyboard 02:18:22 sardig: you could ask in ##crypto too 02:19:14 I could, but yarrkov does not like it. 02:19:39 so are there any details at all as to the code here or is it just a heap of bits that you have to decode with no information about the cipher 02:20:34 No further info. 02:20:41 But if you ask, ill be able to assist you 02:21:05 -!- Bike_ has joined. 02:21:14 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 02:21:19 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike. 02:23:05 alright i got this cipher 02:24:37 Did I ever tell you about the man who taught his asshole to talk? His whole abdomen would move up and down, you dig, farting out the words. It was unlike anything I ever heard. Bubbly, thick, stagnant sound. A sound you could smell. This man worked for the carnival, you dig? And to start with it was like a novelty ventriloquist act. After a while, the ass started talking on its own. He would go in without anything prepared... and his ass woul 02:25:09 pretty sure this message should have stayed ciphered, sardig. 02:25:40 Bike: Excusme? 02:25:55 that's the message isn't it 02:25:59 just a caesar cipher 02:26:00 Bike: That is not the cipher? 02:26:03 wow, sardig 02:26:10 that kind of challenge isn't welcome here imo 02:26:11 well obviously it's not the cipher, you pasted the cipher 02:26:14 it's the decrypted text 02:27:25 Bike: What did you exactly do? That is not the message. 02:28:03 it's just a caesar cipher, shift all the letters to the right a few places 02:28:13 i mean you could have at least gone for vignere, made it more challenging 02:28:38 Bike: Show us how you did it, because that is not the plaintext... 02:29:14 what do you mean show you it's the simplest cipher in the world 02:29:22 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caesar_cipher 02:30:03 imo the simplest cipher is the identity cipher hth 02:30:10 Bike: Are you trying to troll? 02:30:25 shachaf: that's just caesar zero. 02:30:39 Bike: How could you shift it so quick? 02:30:48 ok then it's not a cipher, it's a family of ciphers!! 02:30:54 uh... it's not like i was doing it by hand... 02:31:03 Bike: Then show us what you used. 02:31:17 IRC pro move: show up in a channel and immediately accuse channel regulars of trolling 02:31:35 kmc: That is not the plaintext... 02:31:42 you're mastring/mafingre right 02:31:42 You can even check yourself. 02:31:58 how can you check? you gave no details about the cipher 02:32:03 so the plaintext could be anything at all 02:32:27 I gave 2 details about the cipher 02:32:28 And a hint 02:33:20 Bike: http://realitystudio.org/texts/naked-lunch/talking-asshole/ 02:33:25 yes 02:33:26 hey, i have a challenge 02:33:28 You got what you said from there. 02:33:34 here's the ciphertext: yxkGC3YhlRmcmr96NsKiInoDC19I5IHizprvMOeypXpX4UfH4qRsg7V3nMUfxDHXXp8FuwvtDjH7 02:33:42 here's the key: D6u5utqNryrIPCwQuAdlUe 02:33:56 shachaf: Is it an actual cipher? 02:34:04 of course it is, he said so right there 02:34:07 what makes a cipher actual 02:34:10 what is government if words have no meaning 02:34:15 and I mean, I appareciate Burroughs as much as the next guy, but it's kind of weird to just come in the channel and paste it 02:34:19 It decodes to plaintext 02:34:39 most things do 02:34:56 Bike: Your attempt at trolling is not helping. 02:35:08 why do you keep saying that 02:35:19 Bike: You are yet to show me how you did it 02:35:33 ok but 02:35:37 > map (\x -> fromEnum (toEnum x + 3) :: Char) "hello" 02:35:38 Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' 02:35:38 with actual type... 02:35:40 sardig: are you mastring/mafingre, I just want to know 02:35:45 always with the type errors 02:35:58 > map (\x -> (fromEnum (toEnum x + 3)) :: Char) "hello" 02:35:59 Couldn't match expected type `GHC.Types.Char' 02:35:59 with actual type... 02:36:57 > map (\x -> (toEnum (fromEnum x + 3)) :: Char) "hello" 02:36:58 "khoor" 02:37:00 there we go. 02:37:09 my actual code was in python but i don't think we have a python evalbot. 02:37:15 !python print 123 02:37:17 123 02:37:28 EgoBot is underappreciated, it does tons of languages 02:37:28 wow where were you five minutes ago dude 02:37:32 !languages 02:37:35 hmmmm 02:37:36 !help languages 02:37:37 languages: Esoteric: 1l 2l adjust asm axo bch befunge befunge98 bf bf8 bf16 bf32 boolfuck cintercal clcintercal dimensifuck glass glypho haskell kipple lambda lazyk linguine malbolge pbrain perl qbf rail rhotor sadol sceql trigger udage01 underload unlambda whirl. Competitive: bfjoust fyb. Other: asm c cxx forth sh. 02:37:42 Bike: ideone does 02:37:48 isn't linguine a kind of pasta 02:38:00 yes i know ideone does, but it's so trivial i wanted it just in the channel 02:38:16 are you like actually not aware of caesar ciphers? they're perfect to teach crypto to kids 02:38:27 @google linguine language 02:38:29 http://www.cbc.ca/thenational/indepthanalysis/rexmurphy/story/2013/02/21/thenational-rexmurphy-022113.html 02:38:29 Title: CBC News - The National - Rex Murphy - On Language and Linguine 02:38:32 Bike: So where is the key inputted? 02:38:33 sweet 02:38:58 it doesn't need the key, you just put that in to misdirect. 02:39:28 > map (\x -> (toEnum (fromEnum x + 3)) :: Char) "17e4c459841029f07a1fbeb011ba7e5d5cadb75628d1514e524ec877c34ca78241589c5849981725f89ce03f3fb273f347b21982357d43725541c936d6726677abcd143bccead76f57765168b53dc3f0268cd9" 02:39:28 :1:128: 02:39:29 lexical error in string/character literal at character '... 02:39:46 uh 02:39:59 i don't know what you expected 02:40:59 Bike: what? 02:42:11 ok look we're obviously fucking with you, because your 'challenge' is boring and technically impossible because as shachaf implied you could use an arbitrary algorithm to have arbitrary plaintext, and playing 'guess the commonly used algorithm' is no fun. ok? 02:42:29 plus if elliott is to be believed you're dumping this randomly into channels for some reason 02:42:30 Bike: You were trolling. 02:42:34 yes 02:42:57 well i just find the names things curious that's all 02:43:00 *thing 02:43:05 would be less curious if sardig answered :P 02:43:20 sardig: Are you mafingre/mastring/etc.? 02:43:32 elliott: Who/what is that? 02:43:43 sardig: two people with the same IP as you. 02:43:50 who joined using the same web client as you to ask the same challenges as you. 02:44:07 so uh, I was trying to give the benefit of the doubt there but are you actually denying you're them. 02:44:11 I have only ever joined once as this name. 02:44:17 yes, "as this name". 02:44:20 Well, I live in a shared apartment 02:44:25 lol 02:44:27 oh, god, don't even do that. 02:44:41 Don't do what? 02:44:50 Live in a shared apartment? 02:45:07 claim your roommate came in and did something objectionable (not that this is really that objectionable anyway!) when somebody notices your IP did something objectionable. 02:45:09 ok, look, it's really really obvious that they're you. 02:45:29 like, you can just forget that. i'll forgive you if you stop insulting all our intelligence by implying you're not them. i mean seriously. 02:45:51 i mean, we've all been around the block a few times. as you know i am an accomplished troll, familiar with exciting troll tactics such as weird excuses and resetting my router to get a slightly different IP that is noticed in two seconds. 02:46:15 Bike: I knew you were trolling, you were not accomplished. 02:46:25 shit 02:46:50 sardig: have I not made it clear that you're digging yourself a pretty deep hole here. 02:46:56 like, stop. 02:47:11 look i'm sorry for being mean but seriously nobody cares about your challenge, aight 02:47:38 you know i don't actually own Naked Lunch, I do have Junkie but it's too psychotic for me to read 02:47:56 I should watch the movie sometime though. 02:48:05 of naked lunch, not junkie. i don't think there's a movie of junkie. 02:50:48 `seen Gracenotes 02:50:52 2013-07-15 07:04:00: I think I will have to skip that, didn't plan far enough ahead 02:51:05 still disappointed he didn't get high, tbh 02:51:26 who / what 02:51:31 gracenotes. 02:51:40 when 02:51:52 uh... around 7:04:00 apparently. 02:52:16 oh 02:52:32 well getting hi is the beginning of any good phone call 02:52:37 hi Bike 02:52:42 Hi 02:52:47 like, totally, man 02:53:09 Terribly mean. 02:53:41 sardig: So are you mafingre etc. or are you a different person using the same IP address joining the same channel to give the same sort of challenge? 02:54:10 I may or may not be mafingre's room-mate 02:54:15 no, look, don't. 02:54:29 sardig: Just answer the question. 02:54:59 Yes. 02:55:12 Yes what? 02:55:12 cute 02:55:24 I am mafingre 02:55:40 ok cool so what was with the whole roommate thing. I mean really. you could have just said. 02:55:40 see, there we go. 02:55:44 I was just curious. 02:56:16 Can i ask a serious question about a project I am working on though? 02:56:20 sure 02:57:20 I am creating a messaging software (secure) And thinking of using sha256; well, the only time it uses the sha hash is to send the pass for conformation, then it uses the md5 hash of the pass as the key for the encryption (AES) , the server then uses this encryption to send the iv to the client, and then they both use the md5 hash and the iv to do any other encrypting of messages 02:57:26 iv is a random long generated on server startup 02:57:44 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 02:57:46 why switch algos? 02:57:47 Maybe this challenge is more appropriate for ##crypto. 02:57:47 How does that sound? is it safe/secure? 02:58:10 shachaf: Currently banned there. 02:59:06 kmc: A jar? For cooking rice? 02:59:10 what did you get banned for :P 02:59:14 OK, it doesn't work very well if the person isn't even in the channel. 02:59:31 elliott: Yarrkov did not like my challenges. 02:59:46 He had a little fit. 03:00:03 He is finnish too. 03:00:16 Do you really want to oppress a minority? Because Finns are a minority 03:00:21 no shachaf don't 03:00:36 I just said he was finnish 03:00:45 he's referencing a recent internet fit 03:01:00 imo I gave linus one quote too many the first time 03:01:13 anyway i suppose using the same "iv" for channels across one server invocation could be insecure, maybe the attacker can use the similarity to break encryption, or whatever 03:01:20 Is linus on freenode? 03:01:56 (Like) Linus 03:02:03 Torvalds 03:03:05 Bike: if we wanted, we could have a unique iv per connection 03:03:52 hm, whatshisname (scheiner) had a free book on security didn't he 03:04:00 free and/or i pirated it, anyway it's gonna be better than me 03:04:11 He is the cryptography master 03:04:15 The IV isn't meant to be encrypted in the first place. 03:04:36 is that a thing? i'm just reading "intravenuous" 03:04:37 if it helps it's "AES/CBC/PKCS5Padding" (the algo we are using) 03:04:54 What you should be using is a high-level cryptography library. 03:04:58 As most junkies would 03:05:11 Hmm, or maybe you are in this case. I don't know. 03:05:17 Initialization vector 03:05:21 But you shouldn't be thinking about sha256 and md5 yourself. 03:05:40 Would you like to see my Java code? 03:05:43 No. 03:05:48 That I have implemented for the algo. 03:05:52 Ill setup a SVN 03:05:59 errrr do you know the first rule of cryptography 03:06:20 I don't especially want to help you in the first place, since you joined this channel after being banned from ##crypto, lied about who you are repeatedly, and accused people of trolling. 03:07:06 shachaf: I accused correctly. 03:07:08 Also if I help you implement cryptography you'll surely get it wrong anyway -- that's how it works -- but maybe it'd be in a less obvious way, so more people would use your code. So net harm increase. 03:07:37 Anyways back to my original question, so, yes to sha256? 03:07:40 Would it help? 03:07:45 No. 03:07:50 yeah the first rule of cryptography is don't roll your own, because you're gonna make some minor screwup and nobody's going to notice until your bank's on fire and you have to move to Guam 03:07:52 shachaf: How so? 03:07:55 sardig: you should drop the trolling accusation. 03:08:04 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o kmc. 03:08:09 elliott: He even admitted to trolling... 03:08:15 hi kmc 03:08:18 hi elliott 03:08:22 shit, there goes kmc's voice. 03:08:27 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o elliott. 03:08:31 i felt left out 03:08:33 :o 03:08:36 kmc didn't have voice anyway 03:08:37 Bike: ummm he hasn't had voice for like weeks 03:08:43 elliott: imo voice me. 03:08:55 don't you know anything about impartiality 03:09:03 i could voice a completely random person 03:09:10 I,I impartial function 03:09:20 i think you knowing anything about impartiality makes it impossible for you to be impossible about impartiality. 03:09:26 impartial* 03:09:29 Also impossible. 03:09:33 md5 is used for 128bit key 03:09:39 Bike: do you want a voice or the opposite of a voice here. 03:09:50 i don't... what's the opposite of a voice. 03:10:22 have you ever seen The Matrix 03:10:29 like... once? 03:10:37 oh, that scene. 03:10:41 I have seen it once. 03:10:47 Thought it was hacker nonsense. 03:11:40 hm you should op me 03:11:48 i'll deop myself soon thereafter 03:12:10 i think oerjan would fire me, hth 03:12:43 fizzie did it once 03:12:45 no harm 03:13:12 who's the opposite of shachaf in here 03:13:15 (impartiality-related question) 03:13:21 hm. 03:13:40 now THERE'S a challenge 03:14:14 elliott: That is a mindless challenge 03:14:29 wow, rude 03:14:55 Hardly, just saying not much thought would be involved 03:15:04 It is not like it is a puzzle or anything 03:15:20 you know sudoku can be solved automatically? 03:15:23 like, thoughtlessly. 03:15:28 being "a puzzle" doesn't mean anything. 03:15:37 Bike: Yes, its not challenging 03:15:44 You know my challenge requires thought. 03:15:47 dude, what is thought, even, woah 03:15:50 no, i really don't 03:15:58 well, I think if you don't think figuring out who the opposite of shachaf is requires thought, then you don't know shachaf very well 03:16:10 to solve your challenge i have to figure out what algorithm you used, which is mostly something i have to figure out from your personality 03:16:14 elliott: perhaps i'm self-dual 03:16:18 `addquote <@elliott> well, I think if you don't think figuring out who the opposite of shachaf is requires thought, then you don't know shachaf very well 03:16:21 shachaf: like the magestic photon 03:16:22 1073) <@elliott> well, I think if you don't think figuring out who the opposite of shachaf is requires thought, then you don't know shachaf very well 03:16:36 btw the main thing with your challenge is that the ciphertext and key you gave don't actually add any information 03:16:42 since the algorithm can be literally anything and do literally anything with them. 03:16:53 the question is equivalent to "what number am I thinking of?" 03:16:59 elliott: 4 03:17:11 elliott: fizzie once solved one of my cipher challenges 03:17:13 it was actually probably 1073 if anything 03:17:21 well, now it's 4 03:17:25 I gave him the same info 03:17:28 well the digital root of 1073 is half of 4. 03:18:00 sardig: yes, there's a correct answer if we can guess what algorithm you used, based on what we can guess about you, and assuming you don't just lie (which, while you might not do so, is perfectly possible given the lack of constraints on the puzzle) 03:18:14 sardig: was that in another channel or something 03:18:41 and anyway, "I guessed what someone on IRC was thinking" isn't very satisfying to finish. 03:18:43 elliott: It was in ##asm 03:18:51 that seems off topic in asm... 03:19:04 well not any more off-topic than in #esoteric 03:19:04 Bike: Well, fizzie is a smart person 03:19:07 anyway not all of us are as cool as fizzie 03:19:09 unfortunately 03:19:10 can anyone decrypt this message? 8============================================D 03:19:11 :( 03:19:13 He is also finnish 03:19:18 ok well #esoteric is the opposite of topical 03:19:19 at all times 03:19:30 It is esoteric after all! Ha 03:19:35 ha indeed 03:19:38 he is a smart person but i don't know what that has to do with anything really 03:19:44 elliott: if you could insert a voice recognition joke here 03:19:55 let's just assume I made one 03:20:09 Has anyone met fizzie IRL? 03:20:10 Bike: how can fizzie do voice recognition..............when no one has voice 03:20:15 checkmate 03:20:20 therefore +v me 03:20:23 shachaf 03:20:25 Gregor has voice. 03:20:32 shachaf we need to find your opposite first. 03:20:35 to preserve the balance. 03:20:41 elliott: i guess i'm not very good at voice recognition.............................. 03:20:44 ##philosophy is trollsville 03:20:51 did you ask ##philosophy too 03:21:03 telling us about all these channels you spammed isn't really endearing. 03:21:07 Bike: Do you know things about boolean groups? 03:21:08 actually it is 03:21:15 Bike: I.e. groups where every element is its own inverse. 03:21:20 different sense of "endearing" 03:21:24 shachaf: not very many things :( 03:21:36 is there one besides GF(2) 03:21:37 Bike: xor is a good example!! 03:22:34 Are there any other good examples? 03:22:52 anyway it means e.g. that a+b=c <==> a=b+c 03:22:57 and that the group is commutative 03:23:00 and things 03:23:15 isn't there only one group of order two 03:23:37 ? 03:23:45 The elements are of order (at most) 2, not the group. 03:23:49 oh 03:26:18 -!- carado has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:32:36 kmc: it's great to be on top 03:33:03 kmc: i decrypted it and it's a kitten 03:33:11 aww. 03:33:19 not a binary encoding of a kitten, an actual kitten 03:33:21 help 03:33:40 wow 03:33:44 a christmas miracle 03:34:18 can't handle a kitten right now :'( 03:34:21 should i encrypt it 03:34:59 elliott can I have op too 03:35:08