< 1374796953 897317 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1374797418 556940 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net QUIT :Quit: This is me, signing off. Probably rebooting or something. < 1374797433 793523 :TodPunk!~Tod@50-198-177-185-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374797924 858799 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: It's slightly difficult to believe that this person has been in #haskell for over three years and written over 50000 words. < 1374797932 587965 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :hah < 1374797965 830227 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :who? < 1374797974 490705 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and why? < 1374798069 898345 :douglass_!~thiotimol@home.pointlesstopology.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374798106 508100 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1374798276 11670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :adnap. Whatever their strategy is for learning/understanding things, it doesn't seem to be working. < 1374798302 779146 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :too bad < 1374798307 549091 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: should I leave #cslounge < 1374798309 728268 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's very frustrating to try to help them. :-( < 1374798367 459314 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: do you want to < 1374798427 309163 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think it makes you p. unhappy some of the time, which isn't so great < 1374798443 109199 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i'm not entirely sure why < 1374798454 19307 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so maybe there's context that i'm missing < 1374798487 679463 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I should < 1374798501 799280 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.137.83 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1374798610 149225 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why < 1374798673 990190 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION -> pm
< 1374798693 860788 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Should i join #cslounge? < 1374798761 809596 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374798789 949406 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1374798874 770301 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::t (^^) < 1374798875 340519 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fractional a, Integral b) => a -> b -> a < 1374799170 269091 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you might be surprised how little #haskell knows about Haskell, as an unweighted average over its residents < 1374799210 780302 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would be surprised if shachaf is surprised by that < 1374799251 410430 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's not that much overlap between #haskell regulars and people who write "real software" in Haskell < 1374799312 19495 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :augustss wrote "real software" in haskell (numberz joke) < 1374799349 600599 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1374799456 572976 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374799457 694309 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :join# csLounge :: Maybe a < 1374799582 632410 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"My Haskell compiler is so advanced it has zygoHistoPrepro# as a primitive. Can you say that about your Haskell compiler?" < 1374799600 909831 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, though i'd be wrong < 1374799609 981059 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a. likelihood my haskell compiler is the same as your haskell compiler < 1374799650 650932 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, when you really need the raw power, there's unsafeZygoHistoPrepro# < 1374799657 530913 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if ghc has stream fusion a zygohistomorphic prepromorphism < 1374799697 863307 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not recommended over the safe version for the average programmer. < 1374799706 941401 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote zygo < 1374799707 141703 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc says: Zagen, you'll need a zygohistomorphic prepromorphism from the bifunctorial Kleisli category of username-password pairs to a combinatory arrow calculus of php scripts < 1374799716 323991 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel bad about that kind of quote now < 1374799717 430699 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well < 1374799726 311704 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: why would I be using your Haskell compiler if I'm merely an average programmer < 1374799849 146930 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, I know, in imperative languages zygohistomorphic prepromorphisms are unsafe by default. It can be a hard first step for the average programmer to model them purely, but ultimately it leads to better software engineering. < 1374799878 194525 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :imho < 1374800509 428577 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION saunters off
< 1374800591 495554 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :uh excuse you i was in the middle about my essay about bifunctorials being overrated and using snobol instead < 1374800740 158089 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :take your time < 1374800829 403667 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :see you can implement kleisli categories in snobol if you extend gotos with macros, < 1374800842 783641 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is a bifunctorial Kleisli category < 1374800902 619082 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374800902 893591 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :startup idea: markov chain bot trained on category theory papers + grad students to make sense of what comes out < 1374800969 883579 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's like SNARXIV for SLOVENIAN MATHEMATICS! < 1374801068 47408 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I played Dungeons&Dragons game yesterday. < 1374801073 274676 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: so you know how the limit/colimit functors are adjoint to the diagonal functor < 1374801076 294481 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. great huh < 1374801106 914259 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Did you win? < 1374801311 386368 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374801434 644078 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Not yet. < 1374801583 415986 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374801807 805239 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Galois became so angry with [being locked into school] that he tried to escape from l'Ècole [the school] by climbing over its walls. When he failed there was nothing left to do but take his examinations in calculus and physics." < 1374801836 867257 :clog!~nef@bespin.org JOIN :#esoteric < 1374801893 194707 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I made some progress to win. And even when I do win, the game still won't be finished yet < 1374802165 55599 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did once do something where a stun cone is deliberately aimed to hit someone on my own team as well as the opponents, because the character on my own team is I expected them to easily resist it. Does this tactic have a name? < 1374802478 466152 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan JOIN :#esoteric < 1374802485 283992 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :on the subject of winning: http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Losing < 1374802535 131265 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm going to rename my Totally Awesome Programming Language to Hylisk. < 1374802543 535070 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since "Hydralisk" is already a word. < 1374802549 303180 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And "Hylisk" isn't. < 1374802849 36727 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to know if this tactic has a name. < 1374803049 361367 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :we will name it after you < 1374803102 840900 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My character's name is Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe. < 1374803156 907045 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe's Gambit, check < 1374803194 68103 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: That name seems difficult to pronounce. < 1374803206 747005 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But that isn't the only thing they do! < 1374803210 209866 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374803248 13992 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'm gonna write a Hylisk compiler in Hylisk. It'll be useless at first. < 1374803279 947788 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hyrisk tactic < 1374803298 9486 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :module MegaHylisk where main :: World -> World < 1374803299 957758 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A decent start. < 1374803334 77894 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but that's not monadic! < 1374803344 375466 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :EXACTLY < 1374803355 938060 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I called it "Armor Gambit", if there isn't the name, but I think that isn't a very good name though) < 1374803362 18399 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, it's equivalent to something monadic. < 1374803384 799902 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374803386 189071 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO a is defined as World -> (World * a), so World -> World is equivalent to IO Unit. < 1374803395 837646 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-( < 1374803436 321705 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf doesn't approve of your World view < 1374803456 997517 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :IO a might as well be defined as Friendship -> (Magic * a) < 1374803469 957500 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`seen Gregor < 1374803474 158033 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2013-07-13 19:43:17: It is, it works great. < 1374803477 518438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1374803490 499022 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :`help < 1374803490 888304 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Runs arbitrary code in GNU/Linux. Type "`", or "`run " for full shell commands. "`fetch " downloads files. Files saved to $PWD are persistent, and $PWD/bin is in $PATH. $PWD is a mercurial repository, "`revert " can be used to revert to a revision. See http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/ < 1374803514 287774 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me interject. What you are referring to as GNU/Linux is actually GNU/GNU/Linux. < 1374803517 502549 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: what? < 1374803523 732528 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hylisk is going to be Awesome. < 1374803534 208848 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The reason that it's Awesome is that things like World -> World actually make sense. < 1374803540 938003 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :GNU/GNU/GNU/Linux/Guisarme < 1374803550 272072 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I'm defining IO, I think I'm going to define OI as well. < 1374803564 277789 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about I and O? < 1374803570 885391 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: that... actually would make sense. < 1374803575 898138 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like World -> World don't make sense for I/O ordinarily how it work, but maybe in that programming language, it might. < 1374803596 937820 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: What’s your favorite version of MS-DOS? < 1374803612 254239 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data I a = I (World -> a); data O a = O World a; data IO a = IO (I (O a)); data OI a = Oi (O (I a)) < 1374803615 570751 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/Oi/OI/ < 1374803633 988118 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :OI vey < 1374803644 778130 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: like, adjunctions, man < 1374803653 184195 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though "I" and "O" don't actually mean "input" and "output" here. Who knows what they mean. < 1374803675 180094 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ion and Oerjan < 1374803680 138755 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I looks inputty < 1374803711 462027 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :An "I a" turns the entire universe into an "a". That sounds pretty... apocalyptic. < 1374803723 386527 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Say, fact: in this language, you're going to be convert a monad into its corresponding comonad really easy. < 1374803743 709188 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: should i start saying "monotone" and "antitone" functors........... < 1374803772 296774 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed, I think it makes sense to introduce syntax for this: ~IO is the comonad corresponding to IO, ~List is the comonad corresponding to List... < 1374803796 578325 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: not in public, no < 1374803806 398448 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.137.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374803821 78632 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Maybe you need an extra structure on that category < 1374803833 594550 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Extra structure on that category? < 1374803842 346332 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, uh, is "cartesian closed" an example of extra structure? < 1374803853 678490 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, that is the kind of things I mean, actually < 1374803872 238696 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in what you have, you need to have some way so that there is a comonad corresponding to a monad < 1374803873 952405 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, there's an analogous thing for this, but I don't remember what it's called. Lemme see. < 1374803875 109493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: how does that work.............. < 1374803897 248375 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: you can make co-io like that because you get "IO" from an adjunction O -| I < 1374803901 54473 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: simple. data Co m a = Co (m (a -> Done) -> Done) < 1374803907 328137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you always have an adjunction?? < 1374803931 590654 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't actually know. < 1374803945 144244 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Done is defined by the existence of a bijection between (a -> Done) -> Done and a. < 1374803985 888944 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1374803992 888635 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: for lists, the obvious adjunctions are not between a category and itself, but between, in spirit, the category of sets and the category of monoids. < 1374804011 580146 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*obvious adjoint functors < 1374804013 541948 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: here we go. Closed symmetric monoidal categories. < 1374804023 618544 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: or, like, the kleisli category of [] ""or whatever""" and stuff, man < 1374804029 808646 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :so the comonad is not in the same category < 1374804048 647828 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, Hylisk is going to be based on linear logic as a type system, the same way that Haskell has intuitionistic logic as a type system. < 1374804050 658458 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: It sounds like tswett is describing something similar to edwardk's "monads from comonads", but I think that only works one way. < 1374804063 278701 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure how a linear type system or something changes that. < 1374804077 876577 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe my "monads" aren't really monads or something. < 1374804089 1250 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not actually sure Co always gives you the comonad, but it does always give you *something*. < 1374804105 740342 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :edwardk's type is newtype Co w a = Co { runCo :: forall r. w (a -> r) -> r } < 1374804114 568921 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: have you seen Clean btw < 1374804115 178631 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that works fine for giving you a monad, by composing adjunctions. < 1374804160 679023 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION brain overload
< 1374804179 696346 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I took a look at it. I don't know if it supports everything linear logic has. < 1374804187 241030 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In particular, does it have a "with" type constructor? < 1374804207 187702 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: yeah, that does look remarkably like what I came up with. < 1374804223 370749 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if edwardk is familiar with linear logic. Surely so. < 1374804259 109593 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, edwardk used to be p. obsessed with substructural logic and such. < 1374804282 578353 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should talk to him. < 1374804284 859422 :jconn!~username@la-pinta.la.net.ua JOIN :#esoteric < 1374804294 944997 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And to that other guy, for that matter. < 1374804310 217615 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Philip Wadler. < 1374804315 774518 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't suppose any of you guys know him? < 1374804348 709293 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: well i think uniqueness types of Clean are related to linear types but different. < 1374804365 233352 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION uses structural sublogic
< 1374804373 150361 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows Philip Wadler. < 1374804410 359512 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy who knows Philip Wadler < 1374804422 569160 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i hear there's a law that you cannot get to wadler because of an exponential blowup of lexical syntax of comments hth < 1374804607 846004 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to LinkedIn, there's no such person as Philip Wadler. < 1374805176 850838 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prehensile tapir dick: http://i.minus.com/iGQMJmPRkKSGK.gif < 1374805255 158792 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Impressive. < 1374805263 40971 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think INSTEAD OF INSERT triggers are the useful kind of triggers in SQL, although the other triggers are also sometimes useful. What do you think? < 1374805447 471168 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't remember if I have used any other kinds of triggers.) < 1374805656 3772 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm tempted to call this one type "Rubbish". < 1374805681 259463 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just because that's a word not really used on this side of the pond. < 1374805747 41676 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: tginh < 1374805867 529419 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, uh, what am I doing... < 1374805881 392755 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Playing Creatures? < 1374805884 322908 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or Perspective? < 1374805889 207543 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. I'm implementing Hylisk in Hylisk. < 1374805902 361632 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, Sgeo................................................. < 1374805936 654562 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No shachaf. How's it going? < 1374806065 393750 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, here's an interesting idea for what do-notation could do. First, we could say that do {a; b; c} means (c . b . a). < 1374806156 596500 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then a -< y will mean (\arg -> a arg y). < 1374806203 335989 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And x <- a will mean, uh, let (res, x) be the result of a and return res. Yeah. < 1374806376 776957 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But this only really makes sense for state-like things. < 1374806379 109000 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well. It works nicely for I/O. < 1374806390 814086 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll use the keyword "sdo" instead. < 1374806471 983252 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1374806665 421219 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :source <- readFile -< arg < 1374806683 525034 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :-< could easily be defined as an actual function. < 1374806742 443208 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes it looks like that definition of -< is a combinator function. < 1374806752 327790 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or could it? I might want to have special syntax for it. < 1374806762 909002 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The same way that , isn't an operator in Haskell, even though it could be. < 1374806918 433903 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm < 1374806948 123893 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :class Data a where delete :: a -> Unit; duplicate :: a -> (a * a) < 1374807031 153787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made a Csound plugin "slowchange" which acts like a kind of low-pass filter but it is different; instead of a frequency cutoff it is the frequency times the amplitude which is cutoff, and the waveform becomes closer to a triangle wave as it approaches the cutoff. Does this have another name? Does this have another use? < 1374807093 504215 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :slew rate limiter < 1374807113 444400 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They have to do something like that when mastering vinyl < 1374807119 175118 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it appears in electronics < 1374807133 173899 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for instance with op amps (which have a limited slew rate) < 1374807145 900235 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe "Data" isn't the best name for a class. < 1374807152 153765 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't know what it was called so I called it "slowchange", but thank you for telling me that < 1374807154 520356 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"data Void deriving Data" < 1374807222 24090 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Are the laws for that class the same as the comonoid laws? < 1374807255 306605 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: Is it sometimes used for special effects? < 1374807276 404022 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not really < 1374807283 794951 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :more like some kind of distortion < 1374807293 774816 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ADPCM compression also has a similar artifact < 1374807298 103898 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: for the Data class? Uh, I guess the laws are that fst (duplicate x) = x and snd (duplicate x) = x. < 1374807321 802693 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :delete doesn't really have laws, I think, because there's only one thing it could possibly do. < 1374807343 204552 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. fst and snd aren't actually definable on pairs. < 1374807353 147890 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not on * pairs, that is. < 1374807354 320042 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatev. < 1374807386 653509 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do I really need the Data class? Maybe I don't... *shrug* < 1374807399 385984 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I'll do without it and see how much I miss it. < 1374807480 867668 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I know my character's name is difficult to pronounce; I made up at random, and presumably that character is able to pronounce. < 1374807510 634834 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Well, the comonoid identity laws are (1 *** delete) . duplicate = unfst, where unfst :: a -> (a, Unit) < 1374807521 655098 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(And the same for unsnd.) < 1374807541 856503 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you said comonoid, not comonad. < 1374807618 923164 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess these are definitely Data laws: (\(x, y) -> (x, delete y)) (duplicate z) = (z, ()), (\(x, y) -> (delete x, y)) (duplicate z) = ((), z) < 1374807628 8590 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :All right, what are the operations on Comonad usually called? < 1374807631 680935 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The co-join and co-return ones? < 1374807631 975243 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :And the associativity law is the "obvious" one. < 1374807643 837089 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :duplicate and "extract", but don't use "extract". < 1374807654 993765 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should I use? < 1374807658 275493 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know. < 1374807674 900929 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :disrobe? < 1374807710 265530 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1374807726 298715 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, your law is the same as my law? < 1374807787 433636 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it? < 1374807794 598198 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, looks like it is. < 1374807806 615023 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Data isn't a class for comonads, just for comonoids. < 1374807814 674937 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am pleased that comonoids make sense for linear types. < 1374807881 946289 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, so wait. You could potentially have a Data instance that's a comonoid other than the trivial one, I guess? < 1374807885 473881 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if I want to allow that. < 1374807893 988549 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey, while I'm at it, I should rename "return". < 1374807898 165046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.pps.univ-paris-diderot.fr/~laurent/geocal/slides/tabareau.pdf < 1374807996 75534 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15418075/the-reader-monad < 1374808006 946180 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmm, you could build a language with a state automaton and one bignum integer variable, and the operations multily, divide and checking modulo if zero or nonzero < 1374808030 405289 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Not the top answer, that one is sort of nonsense.) < 1374808049 666792 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it's essentially the same as having a few variables that you can increment and decrement and check for zero < 1374808059 787554 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION renames return to pure.
< 1374808065 232580 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(except with the exponent of a few prime numbers multiplied together) < 1374808070 454545 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I could call the comonad operations copure and cojoin. < 1374808118 267336 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :instance Comonoid r => Monad {runReader :: Reader r} where < 1374808121 634264 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :p. great imo < 1374808125 435641 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(with increment/decrement/check zero you can build a loop to get *2 and /2, and then build a couple of stacks to get the infinite tape) < 1374808142 528336 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Given that every comonad is Store (in a sense), doesn't the name "extract" really make perfect sense? < 1374808153 636266 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :That should've been obvious in retrospect. < 1374808189 153707 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What should have? < 1374808213 983060 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION instance Monad m => Comonad ~m where
< 1374808218 96662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comonoid r => Monad (r ->), Monoid r => Monad (r,) < 1374808243 685552 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Comonoid r => Comonad (r,), Monoid r => Comonad (r ->) < 1374808354 917932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The "return" and "pure" operations are operations of a different kind of thing and even in mathematics I think they call them differently; I did read though in a "monoidal monad" they are defined as being equal, though. < 1374808535 248109 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why am I looking at Retro? < 1374808537 828114 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's so low-level < 1374808538 658267 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :extend :: (m (a -> Done) -> Done) -> (m ((m (a -> Done) -> Done) -> Done) -> Done) < 1374808539 505852 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ow < 1374808545 578035 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why are you looking at anything < 1374808547 476793 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Damn your eyes < 1374808554 676621 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :escape this shitty visual world < 1374808569 676241 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you guys know the collatz conjecture? < 1374808572 60186 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collatz_conjecture < 1374808581 356351 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aka the 3n + 1 conjecture < 1374808583 978151 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1374808588 803156 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm familiar with the conjecture. < 1374808603 579682 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me see whether or not I think it's obviously true. < 1374808609 566829 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sorta wondering if it could be turing complete < 1374808611 26465 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i prefer the llatz njecture < 1374808614 442652 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr: generalizations are < 1374808618 269459 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1374808619 406387 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is a closed problem < 1374808631 497144 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a nice paper on the subject but i've yet to find a version that isn't a shitty preprint, for some reason < 1374808637 796109 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe they're both clopen problems?? < 1374808637 996185 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but how small can the generalizations be until they stop being turing complete? < 1374808654 499788 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i do believe that is An Open Problem < 1374808679 656892 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, but is it closed < 1374808691 368467 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that is itself an open problem < 1374808692 66850 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Collatz conjecture gives me the heebie jeebies. < 1374808702 487180 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i only get jeebies :( < 1374808714 621096 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Lucky you. < 1374808724 346861 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :heebie jeebies are like jeebies except right-to-left < 1374808740 816909 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION writes "extend = (not yet implemented)"
< 1374808750 636788 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Honestly, when am I ever going to need to convert between monads and comonads... < 1374808763 569218 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION just deletes this declaration.
< 1374808780 226356 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :bike : the crazy thing is that the generalization was only only proved undecidable in like 2007 < 1374808882 646800 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: btw hask is monoidal in more than one way < 1374808906 250687 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does it mean for Hask to be monoidal? < 1374808920 378142 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can make eg Void -> a and Either a a -> a < 1374808934 877670 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is another kind of monoid, rather than () -> a and (a,a) -> a < 1374808947 146737 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(but it ends up being boring in the same way that normal comonoids are) < 1374808949 527032 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoidal_category < 1374808950 371245 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.137.83 QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374809010 789349 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_monoidal_category < 1374809069 329829 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, what sort of language do I want my compiler to target. < 1374809093 297428 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :english < 1374809184 152522 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is there a compiler that compiles from English into x86? < 1374809223 747544 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does English compile into? < 1374809235 808050 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not aware of any compilers from English. < 1374809237 217387 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: Bill from development, yes < 1374809247 624320 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: how big is he? < 1374809248 927559 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_(programming_language) < 1374809255 257926 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least six < 1374809261 197023 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. < 1374809264 537294 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :This one http://www.osmosian.com/ < 1374809274 988226 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is his source code under one megabyte? < 1374809373 467734 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some language, yes < 1374809383 243009 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :compile = emit . translate . parse < 1374809387 728220 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Extract the background given the screen's box. \or Create the background from the screen. Or something." < 1374809390 513520 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :There, I've written the bulk of the Hylisk compiler. < 1374809392 927688 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or something. < 1374809411 977815 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Encouraging. < 1374809481 318331 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Allocate memory for the work." < 1374809496 991797 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sure the target audience for this thing know all about allocating memory < 1374809507 111217 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm hm hm. What's a HyliskModule, anyway? It's, uh... well, it has a name, and, uh... < 1374809547 541124 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :A name, a list of data declarations, a list of type declarations, a list of newtype declarations, a list of class declarations, a list of instance declarations, a list of type signatures, and a list of function definitions? < 1374809553 768671 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh right, I also need a list of fixity declarations. < 1374809598 988124 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to use bounded integers, or surreal numbers, for fixity declarations? < 1374809627 800539 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about rational numbers? < 1374809640 544746 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're literally exactly better than the surreal numbers. < 1374809677 208002 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think surreal numbers are better for fixity declarations, though. < 1374809711 258390 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though rational numbers would work. < 1374809763 886060 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :data HyliskModule = HM Name (List FixityDec) (List DataDec) (List TypeDec) (List NewtypeDec) (List ClassDec) (List InstDec) (List TypeSig) (List FunDef) < 1374809768 920584 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I definitely know what I'm doing. < 1374809897 708994 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have (different) idea, compile a Magic: the Gathering into a Haskell code like: target (is_a Spell) >>= callKeyword . Counter < 1374810156 229671 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :everything is better when it's a Haskell DSL < 1374810261 748932 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: Yes it could do a lot of things. < 1374810536 209087 :madbr!boulam@69-165-212-148.cable.teksavvy.com PART :#esoteric < 1374810622 889065 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374810678 959005 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ligtning storm! < 1374810704 704155 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying to think of how I can use English as a programming language. < 1374810715 541092 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some edits would need to be made >_> < 1374810723 535945 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug zzo38 < 1374810725 762726 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hugs zzo38
< 1374810729 165922 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you hire a person to program for you. < 1374810730 461944 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :super easy. < 1374810757 649500 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, Just as a fun little esolang < 1374810785 380109 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Create a program that prints 'Hello World' five times." < 1374810843 139997 :JesseH!~JesseH@ip72-210-71-131.mc.at.cox.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x is equal to 100. Create a program that prints 'x bottles of beer' 100 times, subtracting 1 from x each time." < 1374810846 403948 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ?! < 1374810850 120397 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :@ug < 1374810850 320615 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1374810861 453337 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hugs < 1374810861 653828 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1374810866 849271 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug < 1374810867 49107 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1374810873 139078 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :sry Gracenotes < 1374810874 696286 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric ::. < 1374810879 997873 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachafday miracle < 1374810882 380439 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug lambdabot < 1374810882 580873 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1374810893 221212 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@hug Gracenotes < 1374810893 421416 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://hackage.haskell.org/trac/ghc/newticket?type=bug < 1374810935 874584 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap elliott < 1374810936 99085 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION submits elliott 's email address to a dozen spam lists
< 1374810950 111937 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :@botsmack < 1374810950 311919 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric ::) < 1374810953 998890 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :whoa now, that's over the line < 1374810969 461608 :Lymia!~moe@inportb/loli/cirno-chan PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap lambdabot < 1374810969 661536 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION pushes lambdabot from his chair
< 1374811081 369150 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :is lambdabot truly male < 1374811119 319488 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, the lambdabot @slap database just assumes everyone is male < 1374811130 569255 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, uh?? < 1374811140 999768 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should assume everyone is Spivak < 1374811262 758077 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot is 19/f/California < 1374811284 152001 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap Fiora < 1374811284 392314 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION decomposes Fiora into several parts using the Banach-Tarski theorem and reassembles them to get two copies of Fiora!
< 1374811297 919634 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh no < 1374811306 429929 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that doesn't sound too bad. < 1374811348 579683 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo Cofiora < 1374811410 939470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap shachaf < 1374811411 139796 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION beats up shachaf
< 1374811448 719656 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap Bike < 1374811448 955955 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION secretly deletes Bike's source code
< 1374811461 539640 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm allllll machine code, baby < 1374811469 149745 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that isn't very secret is it < 1374811488 381868 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are some people both Buddhist and Roman Catholic? (I know a Roman Catholic who wants to become Buddhist while remaining Roman Catholic too) < 1374811490 212177 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea why @vixen was allowed into lambdabot in the first place < 1374811520 149778 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :@nixon < 1374811520 429371 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not a crook. < 1374811540 640136 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap quine < 1374811540 840437 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION locks up quine in a Monad
< 1374811543 480185 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap quine < 1374811543 680282 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :go slap quine yourself < 1374811545 370449 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1374811549 839658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I'm pretty sure there exists at least one person who self-identifies as both Christian and atheist, and Roman Catholicism and Buddhism are probably less incompatible than that. < 1374811556 179781 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@slap quine < 1374811556 379903 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION hits quine with a hammer, so they breaks into a thousand pieces
< 1374811558 150046 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Useless. < 1374811573 249717 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: ... < 1374811628 720291 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wobbler took a long look at the girl in the cardboard hat. < 1374811637 509727 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Make me one with everything," he said. "Because... I'm going to become a Muslim!" < 1374811642 519892 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so they breaks < 1374811666 550616 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: they does. you gots a problems with that? < 1374811676 360420 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: I also think they aren't incompatible, although some people might. Also, I don't really know how you can be both Christian and atheist, although you may be able to be both Yeshuan and atheist. ("Yeshuan" is a term that I and someone else has made up independently, with the same meaning.) < 1374811679 990561 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: I saw some thing where a group of people tried to write arguments for their position, or the other position (yes, I know there are more than two positions), and others had to guess which one. One person was a wildcard who considered himself both < 1374811704 99662 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :was he a wildcard...................or was he just a joker < 1374811708 890030 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(cardz joke) < 1374811723 701872 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :the most nebulous term surely is Jewish, as it doesn't even imply you follow the Judaic religion < 1374811738 600705 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :or care about it remotely < 1374811745 889838 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: imo "nebula" is a p. nebulous term < 1374811753 620862 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: wikipedia has an article on christian atheism. it's ok (the article) < 1374811777 160588 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Positions of what? < 1374811843 250545 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes, so Christian atheism and Jesusism are related to Yeshuanism, it seems. < 1374811852 80658 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Christianity and atheism < 1374811861 400210 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it was theism and atheism, I don't remember < 1374811880 949907 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about anism "like theism but more indefinite" < 1374811918 231415 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Well, there certainly are more than two positions < 1374812019 291573 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-181-81.mpls.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374812125 760726 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1374812353 687411 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's always a bit funny when people in filmed Jesus Christ Superstar productions have visible tattoos of crosses < 1374812441 473248 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :though some of those may be temporary (for anachronistic purposes) < 1374812458 478046 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :doubt it for the most part though < 1374812709 672116 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I do not consider Christian atheism to be Christian, although it may be Yeshuan (which does not have to be atheist). < 1374812755 901558 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think the person was the Wikipedia version of Christian atheist < 1374812758 384959 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :how does Yeshuanism related to Judaism? < 1374812764 241314 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember < 1374812786 805311 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :does "yeshuan" have to be pronounced in a first century judean aramaic accent < 1374812788 333088 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :presumably it's a bit like Christianity - Judaism - God < 1374812813 184267 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :s/-/insert unicode minus here/ < 1374812859 905876 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :a cult of personality, basically, but stopping at personality < 1374812909 561365 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if it is pronounce like that. However, "Yeshuan" is a term myself (I read a book in the library once, it was titled "Stop worshipping Christ, start following Jesus", and described something which they called Christian but I didn't think it was so I invented the term "Yeshuan"), and someone else made up independently, having the same meaning. < 1374812945 711736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that the question of whether God exists or not isn't relevant to defining Yeshuanism. < 1374813172 312424 :douglass_!~thiotimol@home.pointlesstopology.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374813394 332289 :^v!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374813404 173353 :^v!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i logged in about 2 years ago < 1374813409 74058 :^v!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :forgot what i was making < 1374813412 172340 :^v!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wanted to say hi < 1374813425 103470 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`relcome ^v < 1374813427 542509 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​09^v: Welcom03e to th04e 02internati14onal h11ub 11for esoteric programming l13ang13uage design and deplo11yment! For02 11more14 info09rm10ation, c09h10eck08 13out our wiki:06 http://esolang12s.org/w02iki/Main_P05age.12 (For the ot09her kind of 02esoterica, t05ry #14eso11teric on irc.dal03.ne12t11.) < 1374813481 32885 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Then remember or try to figure out what you were making, please. < 1374813508 762646 :^v!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :prolly something Lua < 1374813509 982557 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`log zzo38.*please < 1374813521 502373 :^v!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but related to esoteric languages somehow.... < 1374813537 513435 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :2012-09-02.txt:05:00:45: Because, if it is all wrong, then I should fix it please < 1374813548 712861 :^v!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :\b < 1374813550 484040 :\b!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :\n < 1374813567 222771 :\n!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :\y < 1374813569 352657 :\y!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :\u < 1374813622 752704 :\u!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net NICK :^v < 1374813675 393659 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :^v: Why did you keep changing your name? < 1374813700 135576 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: They actually changed their nick, not their name. < 1374813707 653156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: Yes, I know that. < 1374813891 402305 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whatever dream any of you have while sleeping, do you notice some pattern of things in common, whether all of them and/or in certain kinds (short dream, long dream, good dream, bad dream, nightmare dream, neutral dream, repeating dream, dream when sleeping in a different place then you ordinarily would, etc)? < 1374813914 453260 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :pattern? < 1374813951 603761 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just mean things in common whether or not it forms a pattern really < 1374813954 464602 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm generally in my dreams < 1374813975 923646 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm in my dreams most of the time but sometimes i'm not < 1374813992 433908 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Until a bit over a year ago, my dreams sometimes featured things that my real life generally did not < 1374814004 782376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh boy mnoqy dream time < 1374814009 864282 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want a dream < 1374814015 53571 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1374814016 885401 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: Same to me < 1374814018 459494 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`smlist (414) < 1374814020 143893 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :smlist (414): shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy < 1374814023 964746 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It occurs to me that most/almost all dreams involve elements that real life does not < 1374814033 213672 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i need to remember more dreams & also organize all my logged dreams < 1374814033 414281 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess I had specific elements in mind < 1374814078 894146 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a dream journal online < 1374814080 63911 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And sometime I am in but I am someone else other than myself < 1374814084 684027 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I kind of neglected it though < 1374814092 113831 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: Yes you should. < 1374814109 125199 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does rust have weak references? < 1374814111 345145 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.dreamviews.com/dream-journal-archive/53892-sgeos-dream-journal.html < 1374814112 604477 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have written stuff about my dream on my computer; I have also written what other people have told me about their dream, and marked them differently < 1374814129 214912 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used plain ASCII text files though, rather than HTML < 1374814165 214214 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have yet to fly into the sun. I am annoyed. < 1374814311 864419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noticed that my good dream involves several subjects, nightmare dream involve a single subject and I wake up with a sudden movement and almost fall off of the bed, repeating dream is relatively mundane, ...there are many others too. One thing in general is that sometimes I think of two things at once which aren't being used together. < 1374814890 605988 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/cfGFm5j.png I believe I have found the ultimate douchey job ad for programmers < 1374814991 957317 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :some of the banned words seem reasonable < 1374815018 679115 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :"We have no HR department" Discrimination lawsuit, here we come < 1374815804 187740 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :depends is a banned word < 1374815827 7742 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, no notion of things that may be good or bad depending on circumstances? < 1374815856 958105 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can, you just have to express it in the sacred language of the mole-men < 1374816585 480096 :^v!~Pixel@c-71-238-152-180.hsd1.mi.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374816772 269715 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i tend to start rotating < 1374816939 171606 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :like i slowly rotate forward, first i rotate until my face touches the floor, then my legs start rising up until i stand on my head etc < 1374816943 414207 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a steady pace < 1374817013 750624 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea what the context for this is and it's beautiful < 1374817081 110404 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 asked about recurrent themes in dreams < 1374817091 791463 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no shush keep going < 1374817096 170783 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay, so < 1374817106 910550 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm talking to a beautiful girl, so gonna get laid < 1374817110 391127 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh yeah < 1374817110 950672 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait < 1374817113 592454 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm rotating < 1374817114 910960 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :nooooo < 1374817129 657049 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's usually something like that < 1374817148 573057 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it becomes a dream about rotating through places < 1374817178 130473 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm winning the nobel prize < 1374817188 220661 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've been preparing my speech for months and months < 1374817191 641479 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and suddenly < 1374817197 169900 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :i start rotating through the audience < 1374817247 834644 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one is that i start floating upward. this also happens when i'm dreaming about something nice. and then it becomes a dream about floating higher and higher. < 1374817306 730635 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ha < 1374817310 381781 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzwFpzdO3DY Currently pituring < 1374817348 630803 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1374817351 980783 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :no it's slow. < 1374817365 220839 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I dream I often am able to fly through the air by pumping my arms in a similar manner to swimming < 1374817372 380930 :comex!~comex@ec2-54-225-4-143.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's fun < 1374817392 530937 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :well sometimes i just stop trying not to rotate, and then it becomes an uncontrolled accelerating rotation that usually ends with me waking up < 1374817657 361665 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am sometimes in the dream able to levitate half an inch above the ground. < 1374818158 354727 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374818678 324238 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374820225 437240 :tertu!~tertu@65-128-181-81.mpls.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374820712 149016 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1374820790 450215 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374820801 808282 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1374820834 868166 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I found the programs for rotation of planets other than the Earth, in the source-codes of Celestia. It doesn't include Eris, though. < 1374820859 238438 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374820915 727793 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how accurate they are, though. < 1374820937 749457 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal JOIN :#esoteric < 1374821028 548539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1374821037 238298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yorpal < 1374821070 789526 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what are you doing in #haskell......................... < 1374821105 550212 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf, idling as usual < 1374821536 530433 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, against common sense I'll try again. < 1374821591 149937 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374821702 842189 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1374822128 710924 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374822554 626370 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought I'd test the theory that sometimes I misjudge people as "eternally clueless" by trying to help one of them where I'd normally ignore them. < 1374822620 296838 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374822799 349051 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374822821 509058 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374823566 743174 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Excess Flood < 1374823594 903999 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374823735 313970 :douglass_!~thiotimol@home.pointlesstopology.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374823847 220659 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-128-161-213.hsd1.nh.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: NihilistDandy < 1374828174 718693 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-51.dataart.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374829724 769542 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374831808 141150 :nortti_!nortti@nano.smar.fi NICK :nortti < 1374832175 524565 :hogeyui____!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1374833113 449058 :hogeyui____!~hogeyuiVP@vps.usamimi.biz JOIN :#esoteric < 1374836305 589909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Powerplant: 1 × human , 1.1 kW (1.5 hp)" (specs of that human-powered quadcopter thing) < 1374836312 437909 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently a human is like 1.5 horses. < 1374836359 743945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, nice < 1374836377 329030 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pretty sure a human has more energy than that < 1374836379 929985 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Powerplant: 1 × Dennis Bodewits, Kyle Gluesenkamp, Colin Gore Human, 1 hp (0.75 kW)" (specs of Gamera II, another of the kind) < 1374836404 815286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to E=mc² that is < 1374836412 387685 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Powerplant: 1 × human power via pedals which are connected to the wings through a system of pumps and pulleys , 0.7 kW (0.94 hp)" (specs of that human-powered ornithopter) < 1374836421 122567 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you take one human and one anti-human, how much energy do you get when you collide them? < 1374836438 988053 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think "quite a bit" is the right answer. < 1374836531 98459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :5.575*10^18 J, says W|A. < 1374836573 943959 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Input: "mass of human in joules", input interpretation: "convert [ human | weight ] to joules", result: "5.575*10^18 J (using E=mc^2)".) < 1374836599 272227 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Equivalent to 1.333*10^9 tons of TNT. < 1374836645 219027 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, So lets see, that would be how many Tsar bombs? < 1374836653 121351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I forgot what the yield of that thing was < 1374836685 72189 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :0.53 times the total energy from the sun that hits the earth in one minute, which implies that if (when) the sun goes dark, we just need to sacrifice one guy every 32 or so seconds. < 1374836749 967942 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1374836843 193619 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Approximately 23.2 Tsar Bombas. < 1374836865 148348 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :You just need a steady supply of, say, intellectuals and anti-intellectuals. < 1374836873 474395 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Had to divide it myself, W|A knows about "yield of tsar bomba" separately, but doesn't seem to want to divide the two quantities. < 1374837091 385184 :Lumpio-!~matti@89-166-34-164.bb.dnainternet.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If one human can produce enough power to keep himself and the contraption afloat, wouldn't more humans be able to do it more easily < 1374837299 660458 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose there's more to it than just counting watts, like reasonable scale for the contraption and how to control it. < 1374837426 375368 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :The person with the highest horsepower has more average horsepower than the five people with the highest horsepower < 1374837429 828152 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :(manpower?) < 1374837603 64158 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374838302 696664 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you mean the Gamera II specs, it also holds just a single human; I think those names were just pilots that have -- at different times -- used it. < 1374838365 862350 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or possibly I just can't read your comment right. < 1374838505 909034 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: you just need to realize that many people may be eternally clueless but do not remain that way. < 1374838534 233426 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1374838714 833543 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Jafet: I'd love to see some transitions away from "eternally clueless". < 1374838755 605252 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used to be eternally clueless, but not any more. < 1374838802 226893 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's possible that I used to, too. < 1374838805 368406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe I still am. < 1374839629 752921 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo JOIN :#esoteric < 1374839904 88039 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1374840165 326462 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374840268 966166 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1374840621 329054 :Guest6363!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374841002 884519 :oklopol!~oklopol@85-76-172-22-nat.elisa-mobile.fi QUIT : < 1374842391 437229 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1374842410 382310 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-148-233.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374842670 65209 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374843879 481067 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is it that every single time I need to compile llvm it turns out to be a really hot day, making the computer fans go crazy as a result. Strange coincidence. < 1374844004 337339 :Guest6363!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374844129 17388 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's odd, I also have underpowered computer fans. < 1374844149 62677 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mine are slightly underpowered it seems, at least for 26 C ambient < 1374844183 938241 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I put a table fan in front of it. Otherwise I was hitting 75 C in seconds while doing make -j4 < 1374844192 411277 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also switched to -j2 < 1374844207 61473 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That keeps it ~65 C < 1374844221 15709 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmmm < 1374844226 392121 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh well, bbl, this seems stable, so I can go do other stuff now < 1374844654 275569 :Guest6363!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374844938 325779 :Guest6363!~sacre@50-81-222-220.client.mchsi.com QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374845844 173195 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374846384 475006 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 256 seconds < 1374846481 403035 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374847419 402883 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1374848601 646331 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-148-233.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374851819 418975 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.179.137.83 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374852806 803579 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374852843 30941 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1374852858 351288 :kallisti!~eris@wikipedia/The-Prophet-Wizard-of-the-Crayon-Cake QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374853409 580530 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm. I think writing a compiler is actually kind of boring. < 1374853465 929746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, which part of it made you think that? < 1374853473 739797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always found optimising quite interesting < 1374853518 794763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I seem to have managed to fix another unrelated bug in a function called by the miscompiled function (in another translation unit!) and now the function is no longer miscompiled < 1374853519 30878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very strange < 1374853560 735113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think STRN is now fixed, though I will do some more tests, since mycology said it was okay when it completely failed on another test case < 1374853626 145829 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The part where you parse a program, translate it into a different form, and reemit the result. < 1374853645 374741 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, so all of it then < 1374853645 604399 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1374853648 315301 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-148-233.as13285.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374853651 57207 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, that part. < 1374853661 332956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, personally I find the lexer boring, but that is about it < 1374853675 582780 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-148-233.as13285.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made marshmallows this afternoon < 1374853681 159522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tasty < 1374853693 991986 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love mellows. < 1374853695 345098 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Parsing in particular, because I'm writing in a language that doesn't have a parser library. Or, for that matter, any libraries whatsoever. < 1374853709 605868 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, oh what language are you writing in? < 1374853733 572314 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hylisk. It's a language that I'm making up on the fly. < 1374853773 297029 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think every compiler or interpreter I have written have either used something like flex+bison, parsec or been for such a simple language that it was trivial to write by hand (bf and befunge comes to mind) < 1374853776 255951 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374853784 346347 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION nods.
< 1374853790 321287 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: any spec on hylisk? < 1374853802 891108 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe instead of writing a Hylisk-to-C compiler in Hylisk, I should write it in a language that already exists. < 1374853810 82965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, is hylisk what you are writing in or what you are parsing? < 1374853813 972860 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: both. < 1374853826 816816 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_: no; I figured that first I'd write some code in Hylisk in order to solidify my ideas about it. < 1374853833 92740 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or both? < 1374853840 175495 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, How are you going to bootstrap it then? < 1374853844 294055 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I dunno. < 1374853850 302183 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll worry about that later. < 1374853877 55168 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I started writing a silly spec for haskell that pretended to be C https://gist.github.com/kvanberendonck/2b824285b38be9db2ff0 < 1374853888 825963 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I'm thinking that instead of actually writing a compiler, maybe I want to use a language that's built for creating languages. < 1374853899 152299 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I still want to write a compiler one day, but for a more sane language. < 1374853908 262589 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like, Idris has a feature for creating embedded domain-specific languages. < 1374853950 986930 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, make a JIT compiler for befunge (you will need to JIT due to the self modifying nature of it) < 1374853965 155536 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge.. lemme google that < 1374853976 254998 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_: Look up in esolang wiki < 1374853995 200101 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I remember correctly, wasn't one of the goals of Unlambda to be difficult to compile? < 1374854003 448159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, there is befunge-93 (sub-tc) and funge-98 (tc and probably one of the most high level esolangs there is) < 1374854015 59533 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that's just confusing. < 1374854039 293281 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, looks like that was the goal of (you'll never guess) Befunge. < 1374854048 609697 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :high level as in you can actually write reasonably complex stuff in it somewhat easily < 1374854054 605972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :like fungot, the irc bot here < 1374854055 21840 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: ( see http://www.bloodandcoffee.net/ campbell/ code/ config-ex.tar.gz there's an example intercal and c < 1374854056 780858 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1374854057 11497 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1374854063 507609 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, that is befunge-98 ^ < 1374854099 86711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(befunge-98 is 2D funge-98, there is also unefunge and trefunge, and potentially other dimensionalities too) < 1374854116 306880 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1374854123 325970 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :next you'll show me a language about compiling ascii pictures < 1374854133 697645 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is probably not trivial in befunge < 1374854163 247464 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, think of the code as a grid, where the instruction pointer can move. v makes it start to move down for example < 1374854176 251914 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^<> are similar for the other directions < 1374854214 6395 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :I got that part, but it honestly just looks really inpractical < 1374854224 61344 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :which is the point I guess. < 1374854225 381799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is stack-based, so the code basically is read like RPN < 1374854265 854332 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if there's a way to set vim to treat the file as being an infinite plane. < 1374854266 887770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as esolangs go, Befunge is pretty practical for writing actual programs. < 1374854269 390496 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, also befunge-98 has support for loading extensions (called fingerprints) to define A-Z. SOCK adds socket support, FILE adds general file IO and so on < 1374854283 454411 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, there is a whole bunch of well known extensions < 1374854330 111212 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh and if you have any questions try me, Deewiant or fizzie. I wrote cfunge, the interpreter that fungot runs on. fizzie wrote fungot. Deewiant wrote CCBI (another interpreter) and also the standard test suite for funge-98 < 1374854330 391030 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: wouldn't know. there's never any guarantees < 1374854337 746163 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, indeed there isn't < 1374854338 23655 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: not without _serious_ compiler analysis. i am confused < 1374854344 331445 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1374854356 459323 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now what /would/ be funny if someone gets it to the point where it's actually eligible for the clbg < 1374854364 752622 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then it wins in line count on all the challenges. < 1374854365 170474 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what is clbg? < 1374854373 384446 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :computer language benchmarks game :P < 1374854384 756450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never heard of it, how does it work? < 1374854391 307756 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So wait, is fungot written in a funge? < 1374854391 635179 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, you've never heard of it? < 1374854392 188750 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: but i'm gonna zip right through this and become an expert in this subject matter, being really lousy at remembering to remove old stuff from my parser generator... state transition tables i have to < 1374854396 99973 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, nope < 1374854402 252774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: It's called fungot... < 1374854404 778803 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://benchmarksgame.alioth.debian.org/ < 1374854405 621873 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably alioth? < 1374854407 472971 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett, befunge specifically < 1374854408 175659 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1374854470 288307 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1374854502 404540 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait, what is the *game* part of it? < 1374854505 266718 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, I might actually give befunge a go < 1374854515 888910 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just looks like a bunch of benchmarks to me < 1374854534 823766 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: making new submissions and compiler improvements to get ahead of the others < 1374854539 136326 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1374854541 15385 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's a "game" in a sense. < 1374854575 907860 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :why is it all on ubuntu yet it is found on a debian.org address!? < 1374854593 830880 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :so if you're moving left across something like this < 1374854596 408528 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Hello"< < 1374854601 776283 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you get olleh or hello < 1374854619 920475 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You get 'H' on top of stack. < 1374854624 465190 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since it was pushed last. < 1374854660 208445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Stringmode just pushes the letters one by one, in the order they are encountered.) < 1374854663 93460 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, trival "Hello world!\n" printing program: 91+"!dlrow olleH">:#,_@ < 1374854682 893410 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :91+ to give a 10 on the stack (this is befunge-93, which didn't have a to push 10) < 1374854731 862295 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :You know, I find it pretty weird that English isn't some thing that I know intuitively. It *feels* like I just know it intuitively, but in fact I had to actually learn every little nuance of it. < 1374854732 97946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, then >:#,_@ is : to dup top item on stack, # to jump over next instruction (initially skipping the ,), then _ pops the top item and if it is 0 it will go to the right, otherwise left < 1374854763 423181 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, then we hit the , which prints the value on the stack, we hit the # and jump over the dup, change back to going right, rinse and repeat < 1374854791 896995 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, until we get to the end, popping on an empty stack returns 0, so then we go to the right, hit @ which terminates the program < 1374854815 173552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, without the @ there, the program would have wrapped around and hit the start of the line again < 1374854827 449942 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :line wrapping! D: < 1374854837 472315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, column wrapping too! < 1374854844 558539 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :pacman-lang < 1374854862 310142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, or if you use x in befunge-98 to set a delta of say, (2,3) then the wrapping gets quite confusing < 1374854877 704625 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, does , print 1 char < 1374854880 754226 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :or does it print until a zero < 1374854887 727906 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, here is the spec: http://catseye.tc/projects/funge98/doc/funge98.html < 1374854890 738818 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh nvm I get it < 1374854893 146487 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :,_ is really neat! < 1374854896 876837 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, , prints 1 char < 1374854913 274036 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :as the ascii value, . will print it as a decimal number followed by space < 1374855086 555458 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :is there like a 3-dimensional funge? < 1374855126 94470 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, yes trefunge-99 < 1374855127 212896 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1374855129 374074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :98* < 1374855151 257684 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, it is specified in the funge-98 spec < 1374855161 410121 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :since it is just one possible variant of funge-98 < 1374855310 80091 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, so < 1374855314 677032 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :befunge is self modifying? < 1374855333 187291 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you want it to be. < 1374855354 858396 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's probably a large fraction of programs that never modify a playfield location that is executed. < 1374855373 340984 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, yes < 1374855378 275893 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :E.g. if fungot has any self-modification at all, there's very little of it. < 1374855378 736025 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fnord fnord fnord fnord" in english? dictionary doesn't know it < 1374855424 555244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Yeah, can't say I'm surprised. < 1374855424 889051 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: there you go < 1374855449 739406 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thats slightly annoying < 1374855460 170164 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :woulda' been so easy until the self modifying part < 1374855470 918089 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, it can reload itself, no? < 1374855487 515652 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, to do what? < 1374855491 595221 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Okay, there's that. < 1374855521 784160 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :to compile with llvm < 1374855526 3025 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, write a compiler? Yeah fizzie was/is working on a JIT compiler, about the only way you can do it < 1374855531 384851 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc he used llvm? < 1374855544 808908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a llvm backend, yes. < 1374855563 394885 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, anyway you can't really know all possible paths the program will take, since x allows you to pop two numbers from the stack and set that as the delta of the IP < 1374855573 82657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ghoul_, so that also makes it near impossible to compile statically < 1374855582 689737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if it uses user input for those numbers? < 1374855603 177977 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^source < 1374855603 421873 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot.b98 < 1374855606 512681 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Most of the work there is really tracking which traces need to be invalidated when something changes. < 1374855624 935369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is the launcher part? < 1374855636 476294 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric ::S confuzzling < 1374855644 236955 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I want to test after my STRN changes < 1374855647 630835 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: http://git.zem.fi/fungot/blob/HEAD:/fungot-load-freenode.b98 for example. < 1374855648 235511 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: see the one im talking about the complexity of the job description. it's badly fnord also." " there" < 1374855658 737200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1374855659 62090 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Or s/freenode/local/ for the one that connects to localhost. < 1374855680 749659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The freenode server's IP might not be current.) < 1374855689 672849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've also written a static compiler that I think was good enough to (just barely) compile fungot. < 1374855690 138239 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: looking at your wiki parser, too! < 1374855718 9675 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It uses a couple of heuristics to find the execution paths in cases like j with a non-constant argument. < 1374855734 986019 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374855736 331906 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Basically, jump tables, of which the bot has two or three.) < 1374855747 184283 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 QUIT :Client Quit < 1374855764 721782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, should it print anything? < 1374855765 140285 :kallisti_!~eris@168.28.136.16 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374855774 591778 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is doing nothing as far as I can tell < 1374855793 239983 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah found it < 1374855810 265560 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Unable to connect" < 1374855820 581561 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, when does it say that? < 1374855831 276925 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :connect(3, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(6667), sin_addr=inet_addr("85.188.1.26")}, 16) = -1 ECONNREFUSED (Connection refused) < 1374855835 275161 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure that IP is correct? < 1374855845 100957 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:21:20] (The freenode server's IP might not be current.) < 1374855854 609658 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1374855890 855666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it isn't joining any channel? < 1374855892 85186 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@host-224-51.dataart.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1374855899 140707 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't join any automatically. < 1374855905 297308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do I make it join? < 1374855920 729223 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"^raw JOIN #foo" in a query, but your owner-prefix must match. < 1374855948 427735 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374855968 435224 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, prefix is set to =, could you please test the stuff that uses STRN? I don't really know underload < 1374855977 74733 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot-test, hi? < 1374855977 782951 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: sure. i wish you would say that the " hotblack fnord" estate agency thing i saw was code in a matter of doing a big up-front design and top-down implementation was lispme. i'm porting it to gambit's web server instead of the original < 1374855983 320216 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Heh < 1374855992 149302 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul (hello)S < 1374855992 380981 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello < 1374856013 471465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul (:aSS):aSS < 1374856013 705906 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(:aSS):aSS < 1374856046 789345 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :="derp"_, < 1374856051 544800 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul "derp"_, < 1374856051 781686 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1374856055 451293 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1374856058 590506 :Ghoul_!uid6924@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-rpsieulitcvorsyo PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh well, night all. < 1374856060 164731 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul (:::::::):(:((^:()~((:)*~^)a~*^!!()~^))~*()~^^)~(^a(*~^)*a~*()~^!()~^)a~**^!!^S < 1374856060 391372 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: ...too much output! < 1374856064 398555 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm is that right? < 1374856068 19122 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :factorial from the wiki < 1374856078 767135 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul (:::):(:((^:()~((:)*~^)a~*^!!()~^))~*()~^^)~(^a(*~^)*a~*()~^!()~^)a~**^!!^S < 1374856078 998693 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::::::: < 1374856085 483021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that looks right < 1374856089 348024 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems fine. < 1374856091 442950 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (()(*))(~:^:S*a~^a~!~*~:(/)S^):^ < 1374856091 673816 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/*/**/***/*****/********/*************/*********************/**********************************/*******************************************************/*****************************************************************************************/********************************************************************************* ...too much output! < 1374856097 216449 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul ((0)(15)(14)(1)(2)(12)(11)(10)(3)(9)(8)(7)(5)(4)(13)(6))(~^:()SSa~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a*~(x)S:^):^ < 1374856097 653030 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x ...too much output! < 1374856103 101984 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Whoops. < 1374856104 843373 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It does colors? < 1374856114 259534 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was the wrong prefix. < 1374856118 366759 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul ((0)(15)(14)(1)(2)(12)(11)(10)(3)(9)(8)(7)(5)(4)(13)(6))(~^:()SSa~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a*~(x)S:^):^ < 1374856118 655282 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x ...too much output! < 1374856119 775113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes it was < 1374856121 835789 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1374856127 155642 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You need to put that ^C in. < 1374856134 720228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It generally doesn't copy-paste.) < 1374856135 588600 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I didn't see any C? < 1374856141 220193 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul ((0)(15)(14)(1)(2)(12)(11)(10)(3)(9)(8)(7)(5)(4)(13)(6))(~^:()SSa~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a~*~a*~(x)S:^):^ < 1374856141 507700 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x6x0x15x14x1x2x12x11x10x3x9x8x7x5x4x13x ...too much output! < 1374856149 620097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's in that "empty" pair of () before the SSA. < 1374856153 720742 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SSa, I mean. < 1374856154 265277 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right, xchat probably hides it < 1374856164 79894 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So does irssi. < 1374856169 985247 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul (12)S(*a(~:)~*^~):((1)S)~*~((2)S:*)~*:(~:()~)~*^(a(:^)*~a(*()~)~*^~^):^ < 1374856170 685911 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :122112122122112112212112122112112122122112122121121122122112122122112112122121122122112122122112112212112122122112112122112112212112112212211212212112212212112112212211212212112112212112122112112122121122122112122122112112122112112212212112122112112212112112212212112122112112122122112122121121122122121122122112122122112112 ...too much output! < 1374856175 190702 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul (()(*))(~:^:S*a~^a~!~*~:(/)S^):^ < 1374856175 420197 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :*/*/**/***/*****/********/*************/*********************/**********************************/*******************************************************/*****************************************************************************************/********************************************************************************* ...too much output! < 1374856184 393452 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul (12)S(*a(~:)~*^~):((1)S)~*~((2)S:*)~*:(~:()~)~*^(a(:^)*~a(*()~)~*^~^):^ < 1374856186 126517 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :122112122122112112212112122112112122122112122121121122122112122122112112122121122122112122122112112212112122122112112122112112212112112212211212212112212212112112212211212212112112212112122112112122121122122112122122112112122112112212212112122112112212112112212212112122112112122122112122121121122122121122122112122122112112 ...too much output! < 1374856188 250254 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well it is the same anyway < 1374856209 328801 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess it works? < 1374856230 435635 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems so. Every command also uses at least G and N from STRN, since that's used to detect a command. < 1374856233 932746 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=show < 1374856240 342348 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it might be empty. < 1374856245 757770 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=def foo ul (foo)S < 1374856245 970095 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1374856247 547261 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=show < 1374856247 785352 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1374856249 204482 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=show foo < 1374856249 435107 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo)S < 1374856250 233013 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, did you ever use F from STRN? You do use F but I don't know if it is from STRN < 1374856250 474424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=foo < 1374856250 705257 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1374856278 87047 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, F is the one I'm most dubious of my implementation < 1374856282 190908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is F the strstr one? < 1374856287 267553 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, correct < 1374856289 164456 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf is going on in here < 1374856303 74028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's used for finding the bot's name, at least. < 1374856305 743881 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, esoteric programming. carry on. < 1374856312 394974 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I basically took the eglibc strstr and adapted it to funge_cell* instead of char* < 1374856315 729487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since fungot-test said something, apparently it works up to some degree. < 1374856316 461720 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: otherwise they'd still teach pascal, scheme, and don't recognize the person, who seems to hate java... it's like a cross between them), but < 1374856319 343706 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, oh, so I need some model files? < 1374856325 451683 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that was regular fungot, sorry. < 1374856326 64783 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: anyone know anything regarding mzscheme and vim integration with a rapid development environment, dr. watson < 1374856340 987891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess; though there might be some other place F is used. < 1374856343 233569 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, can you upload a small model file or something so I can test that? < 1374856356 67398 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure. < 1374856357 904779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=raw QUIT < 1374856358 122734 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Quit: fungot-test < 1374856364 674010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also where do I put it? < 1374856378 368548 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374856395 386570 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : oh, esoteric programming. carry on. <-- you know, what the channel is *supposed* to be about :P < 1374856426 964957 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, wasn’t #esoteric-nonblah for that? < 1374856448 101572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It needs to go in the current directory, and be named "model.bin.foo" and "tokens.bin.foo", and then you need a "styles.list" file that contains "foo\0a description for foo\0\n". < 1374856448 378409 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just checked, that channel was empty < 1374856465 203020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, link for a small one? < 1374856506 667471 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION already typed wget
< 1374856515 863492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130726-ct.tar.gz < 1374856526 102624 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the model "ct", aka the Chrono Trigger one.) < 1374856551 733803 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :model.bin.ct < 1374856551 964395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tar: model.bin.ct: time stamp 2013-07-26 19:02:09 is 1595.876714959 s in the future < 1374856572 163074 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I think your clock is weird. I just checked mine with ntpdate and it is fine < 1374856576 613900 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a very mysterious clock skew issue. < 1374856583 694010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh? < 1374856584 445580 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That running ntpd doesn't fix. < 1374856610 865309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't bothered to figure it out, it's all kinds of strange. < 1374856622 781060 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Running ntpdate periodically does work, though, but I seem to have misplaced my cron thing for that. < 1374856636 288662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so this should be fine? echo -ne 'ct\0Test description\0\n' > styles.list < 1374856652 469080 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so, yes. < 1374856668 333922 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374856672 131552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=style < 1374856672 374012 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: ct < 1374856675 280529 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if anyone else has really tried the babbling part, so there might be issues. < 1374856675 513059 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=style ct < 1374856675 513231 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: Test description < 1374856677 950111 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot-test, hi < 1374856678 189255 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: from where does the hero alone have the power. " m, madam...! i am the master of war! i've seen all kinds of battles from here, step back, prometheus! < 1374856678 502880 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: was also thinking about using a real irc client? i always am the last to display. this will get you nowhere in the conversation so far." < 1374856684 288150 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot-test, once again < 1374856684 529971 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the knight spirit has the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to the hero! hurrah to < 1374856684 849942 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: zero-terminated arbitrary numbers :d nice... are there any undergrads who look fnord or so macro?, for instance something i'm doing) say to use this < 1374856690 824872 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that seems "all right". < 1374856691 604360 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot-test, and the sword?? < 1374856691 834740 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: to the northwest of this cape. he took back the medal from the frog king. and i'd like to see that mystical sword for myself! geez! < 1374856692 66475 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: did i incorrectly say it would be < 1374856710 945375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but is it exactly the same message as fungot would have produced given the same random seed? XD < 1374856711 225331 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: i wonder if anyones ever set up a workflow that automatically compiles them ( obviously) < 1374856729 304662 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah it guess it works for the way you use it at least < 1374856765 669406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The babbling is hardcoded to use the style "irc" at boot-time, I haven't bothered to persist the selection in the save file. < 1374856777 306391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess you could try =def something, =save, then quit and restart. < 1374856782 877905 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't trust mycology though at all, since it managed to pass F while testing for "cd" in "abcdef" completely failed due to forgetting to multiply by sizeof(funge_cell) in a call to memcmp! < 1374856792 917670 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The save-file handling also uses STRN, I believe. (Or perhaps just FILE's line-level routines.) < 1374856807 505077 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=save < 1374856814 874826 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1374856815 77152 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm? < 1374856816 914344 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1374856819 692649 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay it is lagging < 1374856828 429060 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell < 1374856834 685951 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1374856843 377910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no hardcoded =help. < 1374856849 66145 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul (aaa)S < 1374856849 301758 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaa < 1374856852 2365 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1374856862 923648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it should've said "saved", I think. < 1374856864 486946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you show all defines then? < 1374856868 504439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=show < 1374856878 2442 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But there are none yet, I think. < 1374856880 386606 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1374856880 627841 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1374856889 292316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show help < 1374856889 529288 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool)S < 1374856911 975881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=def help ul (= ; =def ; =show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; =str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; =style [style]; =bool)S < 1374856912 207988 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1374856915 237346 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=save < 1374856917 796301 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err? < 1374856921 902706 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm, I guess you could try the str functionality too, since it does strings. < 1374856935 857240 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=str 0 set (foo < 1374856936 87529 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set: (foo < 1374856939 736561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=str 0 add )S < 1374856939 959280 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added. < 1374856942 442119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=str 0 get < 1374856942 668929 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo)S < 1374856945 402180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :=ul str:0 < 1374856945 631173 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1374856945 882049 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I think F in Mycology looks for "oba" in "foobar" < 1374856951 332660 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :hmmm. < 1374856956 224972 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I wonder how THAT worked then < 1374856964 585694 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, could you test ^save and see if it prints anything from the normal fungot? Just so I don't go off chasing a bug that isn't there < 1374856968 304725 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^save < 1374856968 666940 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1374856982 169850 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You need to have a (sub)directory called "data", I think. < 1374856982 873133 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hrrm < 1374856988 217875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah! < 1374856989 976687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since the save file is "data/fungot.dat". < 1374856990 297748 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i don't know how yet... :() < 1374856995 75791 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=save < 1374856995 306983 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1374856997 923049 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right that was it < 1374857008 691454 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why not use DIRF or whatever it is called? < 1374857021 961972 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure why it's in a directory anyway, since the model files aren't. < 1374857025 445812 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or the styles.list. < 1374857025 679449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm that is just a bunch of numbers? < 1374857028 352128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that file < 1374857035 805006 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it has a very number-heavy format. < 1374857053 419032 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :each on a new line < 1374857062 645745 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, it's certainly not too efficient. < 1374857065 57010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :well lets reboot it and see if it remembers the stuff < 1374857070 953200 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=raw QUIT < 1374857071 183434 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Quit: fungot-test < 1374857084 502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the meanwhile, I'll see if the str: thing works on the real deal. < 1374857089 460402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str 0 set (foo < 1374857089 743202 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Set: (foo < 1374857093 446605 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str 0 add )S < 1374857093 716067 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Added. < 1374857095 689251 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^str 0 get < 1374857095 927601 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo)S < 1374857098 538654 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ul str:0 < 1374857098 772127 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : ...bad insn! < 1374857102 192159 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :guess not < 1374857112 597047 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it was def-only. < 1374857113 877421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :it is dead again... < 1374857121 573865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def tmp ul str.0 < 1374857121 886154 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1374857123 589633 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show tmp < 1374857123 815075 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :str.0 < 1374857129 574414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was a typo. < 1374857131 583170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^def tmp ul str:0 < 1374857131 813454 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Defined. < 1374857133 735439 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show tmp < 1374857133 952590 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo)S < 1374857135 862438 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^tmp < 1374857136 90025 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :foo < 1374857140 616461 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah, apparently it's def-only. < 1374857141 88705 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, okay, it doesn't want to start, no output whatsoever < 1374857181 102660 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :open("data/fungot.dat", O_RDONLY) = 3 < 1374857181 371949 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fcntl(3, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC) = 0 < 1374857181 372158 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fstat(3, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=533, ...}) = 0 < 1374857181 372270 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x7f4ad54db000 < 1374857181 372380 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :read(3, "(foo)S\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\nhelp\n1\n40\n61\n60\n"..., 4096) = 533 < 1374857181 372508 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: back later, bye all. be back later < 1374857185 7315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then it hangs < 1374857185 213961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1374857186 242527 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So related to the data file I guess < 1374857197 531737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The state file is loaded first, so it's probably related to that. Note that it could easily be a fungot bug, it hasn't really been tested all that much. < 1374857197 953314 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: we can't make recursive calls in gcc.... fnord? < 1374857210 141522 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, -t 3 shows ... > 1-I-1 > 1-I-1 > 1-I-1 > 1-I-1 > 1-I-1 > 1-I-1 > 1-I-1 > 1-I-1 > 1-I-1 > 1-I-1 > ... < 1374857215 513210 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder where that is... < 1374857226 392026 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A reflecting I, most likely. < 1374857231 100019 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I from? < 1374857238 17701 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FILE, I'd say. < 1374857244 334208 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Remapped, I believe. < 1374857251 216116 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah yes -t 9 shows coordinates < 1374857254 530164 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's FILE's L. < 1374857274 600446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The line is empty? < 1374857280 182438 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :tix=0 tid=0 x=26 y=114: I (73) < 1374857280 421375 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Stack has 2 elements, top 5 (or less) elements: < 1374857283 743822 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or maybe it's FILE's I and someone else's L was renamed to I. < 1374857287 880101 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm wait, off by one? < 1374857306 213818 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no I on line 113-115, so that y is bogus < 1374857314 846602 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :unless fungot.b98 is not loaded at origin? < 1374857315 125143 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: fnord), which is the body of a clause like this in my next upload < 1374857321 764304 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There's an offset of 100. < 1374857328 182584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :brb, car alarm < 1374857329 298009 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's that "> 1-I" section on line 15. < 1374857368 978772 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :back, wasn't mine, and looked like a false alarm anyway < 1374857382 950113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, then why is y=114?! < 1374857399 877996 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, line 15 in a 1-based line numbering. < 1374857404 779181 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[19:48:41] Vorpal: There's an offset of 100. < 1374857423 823386 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :After a closer look, I think the I is STRN's L. < 1374857434 658937 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, you load at 100? < 1374857434 896773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1374857434 896878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :missed that line, derp < 1374857438 791688 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I blame the heat. 26 C < 1374857452 254552 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :L hm < 1374857468 400859 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's gotten an empty line that it didn't expect. < 1374857476 488902 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? < 1374857491 8 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, there were a bunch at the start of the file, after the defined str:0 < 1374857499 831479 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll upload the file < 1374857527 313728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Those are expected. I think. < 1374857538 787022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's for the other str:N's.) < 1374857599 654769 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :back to only one fungot? < 1374857600 82003 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: those little buggers out... for a few weeks < 1374857618 790363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do I get a public link on dropbox? They must have changed it since I last did that < 1374857630 914220 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah here we go < 1374857635 340257 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, https://www.dropbox.com/s/v8lnd9s3qznsaw1/fungot.dat < 1374857635 765648 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: reachability graphs are not too bad < 1374857641 827539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that file look wrong? < 1374857654 516145 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, debugging why it is failing < 1374857686 629694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not immediately. Though the I in question is involved in loading the str: strings, in fact. But it really shouldn't mind empty lines there. < 1374857721 13767 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: What it does is essentially G: [go elsewhere if 0] >1-I where the G is FILE/G and the I is STRN/L. < 1374857732 68074 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: (It's the bit that strips a newline off, I think.) < 1374857780 918995 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, My change to L is trivial in fact... < 1374857785 161497 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But if G returns 0, it would have gone elsewhere; and if G returns something >0, doing 1-I should be okay, since the string under the number-of-bytes return from FILE/G should be at least that long. < 1374857799 737737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1374857841 150297 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have any ideas about Magic: the Gathering card in computer program? I have had some and mentioned some in here; do you have a different idea? < 1374857843 253160 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't changed FILE at all < 1374857860 420809 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess I could build the old version again and try that on the same data file < 1374857903 103465 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You can also ask for a trace with stack-dumps, and paste the bit around where the >1-I loop starts. < 1374857938 230746 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Will try that next < 1374857958 443852 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah the old cfunge also loops on that < 1374857969 508435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Mhm. < 1374857987 725021 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about the super-old version that fungot runs on? < 1374857988 147381 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: remember to tell me it actually says " ninety... nine... bottles of fnord flood! < 1374857999 624743 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Unless it's been updated) < 1374858008 988928 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I let it run for 3 seconds and got a 43 MB trace file heh < 1374858019 721973 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Oh, right... it's going to -- well, it should -- ask for a 0-length substring. Do you reflect on that? < 1374858046 899107 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, in L? < 1374858049 997326 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1374858055 208927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I don't know what version that is! < 1374858062 708077 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I imagine fizzie can tell you < 1374858063 406599 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (n <= 0 || len < (size_t)n) { < 1374858063 645773 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : stack_free_string(s); < 1374858063 645946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ip_reverse(ip); < 1374858063 646055 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : return; < 1374858064 110785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1374858069 45425 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is the only time I reflect < 1374858080 619857 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, yes. I think n == 0 is valid. < 1374858110 233338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Admittedly it's kind of a corner case.) < 1374858126 169483 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm I don't know. Does the spec say anything? Did I change it? Let me check the log for that file < 1374858133 474821 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For R,L,M Requesting 0 or more characters from an empty string returns an empty string. Specifiying a negative size for R,L,M is an error and will reflect." < 1374858150 22387 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It might not have said this when you were implementing it; you know this spec, it's kind of a living document. < 1374858166 545763 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah right < 1374858169 491932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But the above sort of implies that L of 0 from a non-empty string should be okay, since it's not a negative size. < 1374858174 231791 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well what revision of cfunge do you use? < 1374858197 134432 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why only from a non-empty string? < 1374858199 503590 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1374858209 36079 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374858217 362680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, I mean, also from the empty string; but that's explicit in there. < 1374858221 65975 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1374858226 557935 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, anyway what about the case where you have "a" 9 L? Should that reflect < 1374858241 4865 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For R,L requesting more characters than the length of the string will return the whole string. Other interpreters may have implemented this as reflecting or returning a null string." < 1374858247 755286 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the new rule. < 1374858258 639487 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I've guarded against reflecting on that in fungot. < 1374858259 220410 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: sorry but that's not notably better than all the scheme fans i know in moin it would tell its url < 1374858265 320411 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like how the spec says "the behaviour is X but some have implemented this as Y" < 1374858265 554369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :For portableity. < 1374858266 736286 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess I'll update that < 1374858282 104965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I'm using cfunge 0.3.2. :p < 1374858284 247339 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure if that should be read as "you should implement this as X" or "you can't know which will happen" < 1374858292 417020 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"I'll update real soon now." < 1374858323 25202 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, right < 1374858330 892077 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's your current version number? < 1374858357 268998 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(For the record, my state file seems to have a couple of empty lines too.) < 1374858359 195515 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, 0.9.0 < 1374858371 580347 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, but A LOT changed since that in bzr < 1374858395 437307 :Deewiant_!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi NICK :Deewiant < 1374858464 781929 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So... For L would this cover it? < 1374858466 36351 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : if (n < 0) { < 1374858466 261534 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : stack_free_string(s); < 1374858466 261720 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : ip_reverse(ip); < 1374858466 261830 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : return; < 1374858466 734275 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : } else if (n == 0) { < 1374858467 731780 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : stack_push(ip->stack, '\0');' < 1374858469 412043 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : return; < 1374858473 885104 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : } else if (len < (size_t)n) { < 1374858475 405064 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : n = len; < 1374858477 318998 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1374858486 829412 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I need to fix the memory leak in the middle case < 1374858489 379849 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you need to special-case 0? < 1374858502 388157 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes because of the other case is: < 1374858506 938757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : stack_push(ip->stack, '\0'); < 1374858507 174499 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : stack_push_string_multibyte(ip->stack, s, (size_t)(n - 1)); < 1374858507 174681 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : stack_free_string(s); < 1374858515 660517 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Pretty sure that n-1 is going to screw things up < 1374858531 187284 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably it would, yep < 1374858538 480413 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since 0-1 cast to size_t would be LONG_MAX or similar < 1374858585 896927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay fixed L only so far, but that seems to make fungot happy < 1374858586 318118 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: and baby jesus cries, yes yes. spare me the fnord < 1374858589 929723 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :will fix R and M too < 1374858598 9141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That behaviour seems fine. (The reflect test in cfunge-0.3.2 was apparently if (n < 0 || len < (size_t)n) which is why fungot works.) < 1374858598 429322 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: ( eat *this*, bash.org))) but it stil doesn't work. g < 1374858602 434864 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374858605 236131 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot-test, hi < 1374858605 655395 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: you do have a scgi server that talks to java applet clients concerned with efficiency, i'll try < 1374858611 585657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=style ct < 1374858611 824682 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: Test description < 1374858622 384066 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot-test, hi < 1374858622 611069 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No? < 1374858622 611245 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What the hell < 1374858622 611351 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: yes, it's been awhile prometheus! < 1374858622 830727 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: then call her and have fun or do something irreversible, the value, < 1374858630 690771 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Err it was lagging? < 1374858635 66615 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the server is bad < 1374858644 29876 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=show < 1374858644 248238 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1374858644 736433 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374858647 480603 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=show help < 1374858647 713535 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(= ; =def ; =show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; =str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; =style [style]; =bool)S < 1374858648 978322 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=help < 1374858649 195002 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric := ; =def ; =show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; =str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; =style [style]; =bool < 1374858655 146611 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=str 0 get < 1374858655 372910 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(foo)S < 1374858657 591529 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=str 1 get < 1374858657 824363 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Empty. < 1374858663 751536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that looks okay < 1374858667 621359 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should make a programming language where programs are executed by two IRC bots talking back and forth. < 1374858667 944587 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :=raw QUIT < 1374858668 181906 :fungot-test!~fungot@81-224-29-207-no185.bredband.skanova.com QUIT :Client Quit < 1374858683 244893 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :for hundreds and hundreds of lines, potentially. < 1374858702 921785 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes, hm < 1374858764 682544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, interesting, wrt n=0 R and L had different behaviours before < 1374858774 699997 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :in a thematically meaningful way, though. So it's as if two computers with different capabilities were computing things in a cluster with ultra-law latency. < 1374858785 697215 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :But in a tarpit instead. < 1374858853 284574 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Incidentally, if memory serves me right, when I was switching fungot to cfunge I hit the issue that your STRN/L reflected on n > len, and had to change all my 17G4L" oof"C| is-this-the-command test to 17GN3`|4L" oof"C| instead -- because you refused to change it to conform to the new spec since it didn't have any versioning or changelogs and kept being silently changed. :p < 1374858853 757287 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: minus273 you're in china? i have no idea < 1374858898 543315 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In the code examples above, | denotes a go-somewhere-else-or-continue if.) < 1374858899 319506 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well I dislike silent changes still, but I guess my attitude changed somewhat < 1374858920 216688 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well Mike's dead now so it's probably not changing any more < 1374858945 302620 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, where is that N from? < 1374858968 743433 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :STRN/N, it's an explicit "is this long enough for L" pre-check. < 1374858979 708986 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, the N3`| is. < 1374858986 266354 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :right < 1374859057 321429 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I notice you have these things as UNDEF in mycology as well < 1374859079 953550 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION tries to figure out his own M code
< 1374859093 618261 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like I said earlier I'm not sure how to interpret his "the behaviour is X but some have implemented this as Y" < 1374859097 404363 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm starting to see the point of not using single letter variables now < 1374859101 634184 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that mean X is right or both are right < 1374859110 183244 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True < 1374859151 316047 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :"For M, specifying a length that would go beyond the end of the string is legal and will return from the start til the end of the string. Other interpreters may have implemented this as reflecting." <-- I have that as reflecting I believe < 1374859282 496531 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1374859286 223021 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I would suggest for M that if the start of the substring is after the end of the string, it should reflect. (The spec page doesn't mention that, as far as I can see?) < 1374859309 221082 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Presumably yes < 1374859314 50509 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless "For M, specifying a length that would go beyond the end of the string is legal and will return from the start til the end of the string." refers to that, as opposed to just a substring with a legal start that extends past the end of the string? < 1374859322 626721 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Check what RC/Funge-98 does :-P < 1374859329 869441 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case, it seems silly that they should have different behaviors < 1374859354 424027 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I feel that if you allow past-the-end extension for L and R, then you arguably should allow it for M too. (The start-past-the-end thing could still go differently.) < 1374859364 347187 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh wait, the next line does specify it < 1374859371 974280 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right, I'll go with what the page says then < 1374859477 243151 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, with UNDEF: "ooF"24M eats the string, what do you mean exactly? That it leaves nothing on the stack? < 1374859478 404370 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :$ sudo apt-get purge emacs < 1374859482 897383 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that felt good < 1374859494 96333 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION runs away
< 1374859510 122894 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Presumably, yes < 1374859518 903745 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well guess I have an off by one error then! < 1374859519 512395 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gracenotes: are you sure an apt-get purge is enough? < 1374859523 462673 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In fact, as far as invariants go, it'd be nice if <0>M would always equal L for any str, n.) < 1374859545 151958 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, surely if the "preferred" behaviour is used, it should leave a single o right? < 1374859551 684296 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well and \0 of course < 1374859618 529259 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes I'd say so < 1374859626 479536 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Must be an off by one error then... < 1374859630 388601 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : } else if (slen < (size_t)(p + n)) { < 1374859630 627075 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : n = slen - p; < 1374859630 627160 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : } < 1374859636 364221 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does that look wrong to you? < 1374859646 444177 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :p is the starting position, n the lenght < 1374859649 227728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :length* < 1374859666 243829 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :slen is basically strlen() of course < 1374859683 593830 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: no :( < 1374859687 670684 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :I missed some of the packages < 1374859699 505324 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :3 < (2 + 4) --> n = 3 - 2 = 1 < 1374859723 994036 :Gracenotes!~person@wikipedia/Gracenotes PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah, that's better. 'After this operation, 80.8 MB disk space will be freed.' < 1374859726 689617 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah... So why does it eat the string then? < 1374859745 880007 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Don't ask me < 1374859758 925816 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It was a rhetorical question < 1374859766 374400 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sorry < 1374859802 205121 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :np < 1374859870 583450 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :How did it hit that code on GOOD: "zaBraBooF"34M is "BarB" < 1374859870 817749 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the condition is wrong?? < 1374859870 817927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh I didn't rebuild XD < 1374859941 791139 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1374860096 933148 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I actually do push the o... < 1374860201 425420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I don't think your check is accurate, since the stack after that call is (TOS last) 14 0 111 < 1374860209 640985 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what that 14 is, but 111 is 0 < 1374860210 820273 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :err < 1374860211 649690 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :o < 1374860225 892593 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Inverted condition? :852s/!/z/ < 1374860233 708320 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm? < 1374860247 445116 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Replace the first ! on line 852 with z < 1374860271 570367 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Actually both of them I think < 1374860320 679466 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is the file read only? < 1374860333 696280 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I assume that is also rhetorical < 1374860341 718777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No I blame your .txz file < 1374860367 619927 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, both !? < 1374860374 281732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :both "!"? < 1374860382 169079 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(not an interrobang that is) < 1374860384 421256 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah they both seem wrong < 1374860391 587594 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never remember which way _ goes on zero/nonzero < 1374860401 258231 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :BAD: J should push -1119007 given [-7777,2,29] < 1374860403 284817 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :is this mycology < 1374860406 819945 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, infinite loop of that now < 1374860417 667553 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, sure you got the line right? < 1374860429 334336 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wait if I revert the change it still happens? What < 1374860445 530611 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I think DATE broke? < 1374860450 555315 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What < 1374860454 160318 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be the line with stuff like "gnirts eht stae" and a few M's :-P < 1374860461 973598 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't touched DATE < 1374860503 567164 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, does mycology.b98 contain something non-printable or such that my editor (kate) might have fucked up? < 1374860510 583484 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes < 1374860512 583878 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1374860513 368 :heroux!~heroux@5070823C.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1374860530 681682 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's not UTF-anything and it has at least an embedded null IIRC < 1374860553 619900 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that might have caused it < 1374860578 331086 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can pull it from github, I pushed the change < 1374860582 645011 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Trying emacs < 1374860591 434460 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, link to your github for this? < 1374860605 14035 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :github.com/deewiant/mycology I guess < 1374860664 5093 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1374860826 80194 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well that seems to be it. Hm < 1374860833 874310 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374860850 397467 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm still not sure about F hrrm < 1374860884 782278 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't like that clang -O2 (LLVM 3.2 and 3.3) miscompiled previously, but stopped doing that when I changed a function in another translation unit < 1374860886 688807 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Very suspect < 1374860941 85849 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thus far I think every LLVM miscompilation bug I've thought I've had (or even filed, in at least one case) has been an undefined behaviour case in my own code < 1374860990 434502 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The one I filed turned out to be running over an array on the stack IIRC) < 1374860997 644956 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well it just decided to add (unsigned int)-1 to %rsp about 5 times at the start of the function < 1374861012 928487 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :actually subtract not add < 1374861027 357700 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It was almost exactly 4*2^32. < 1374861034 664168 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's no unsigned values in x86 asm < 1374861035 906076 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh okay, misremebered then < 1374861044 777530 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or no signed values if you prefer that train of thought < 1374861057 675672 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I forgot the exact value I read in the gdb disassemble < 1374861072 70895 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was describing what it looked equivalent of < 1374861083 38838 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :but fizzie said it was 4*2^32 in my paste < 1374861101 744982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It looked equivalent of uint32_t foo[unsigned -1];. < 1374861115 1369 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, anyway I took the code for strstr from eglibc and adopted it to funge_cell* instead of char* < 1374861125 841770 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I noticed < 1374861130 895982 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Er, (unsigned)-1, I mean. < 1374861140 564510 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no arrays were allocated on the stack in that function though! < 1374861152 82156 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Unless it was inlined from some header or such < 1374861155 661337 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Translation unit boundaries aren't such iron walls these days anymore either, right? < 1374861169 757862 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :True, but I don't think I enabled LTO < 1374861172 132996 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not afaik anyway < 1374861212 90823 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just checked the functions that it calls, no arrays on the stack there either < 1374861223 497469 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plenty of arrays yes, but all of them as pointer arguments < 1374861294 119284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(echo 'CONDOR DONE'; sleep 300) | dzen2 -x 100 -y 100 -w 200 -h 200 -bg red -fg black heh, fancy bits and pieces in old throwaway scripts < 1374861316 103418 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that's called "poor man's notifyd". < 1374861355 936431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tried that fancy newish cmake backend called ninja, supposed to be faster than make. Somewhat yes. < 1374861362 774555 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I see you're part of the menace that causes swapping and whatnot on innocent people's desktops < 1374861368 669067 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it would be easier to notice on something larger than cfunge < 1374861399 486321 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm? < 1374861420 549083 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Condor < 1374861432 201179 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is Condor in this context? Not the bird I presume... < 1374861482 913656 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: It's a "use idle workstations as a cluster" system. < 1374861492 452409 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://research.cs.wisc.edu/htcondor/ < 1374861510 566736 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess technically it's HTCondor now. < 1374861521 235384 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Note: The HTCondor software was known as 'Condor' from 1988 until its name changed in 2012. If you are looking for Phoenix Software International's software development and library management system for z/VSE or z/OS, click here." < 1374861548 173845 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1374861582 159756 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ouch, smells of trademark dispute < 1374861654 700050 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It's even worse than that; my workstation these days is in SPA and not part of the ICS Condor, yet I still use it. < 1374861671 272890 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, pushed the changes to cfunge, I would suggest getting the latest bzr for now, not sure I will do an actual 0.9.1 release any time soon < 1374861682 960003 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, SPA? < 1374861706 408987 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Shouldn't your ICS account be gone or something? < 1374861748 912859 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever used self-modifying code in GWBASIC? < 1374861782 204665 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: No. < 1374861790 690563 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't an ASIC kind of contradictory to self-modifying code? < 1374861830 640379 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm, tup supports variants nowdays < 1374861839 169153 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess that would suffice for my needs then < 1374861857 674185 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure how to do the configuration... Really don't want to write a shell script for that < 1374861871 975459 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: If you come up with a good solution let me know < 1374861880 96922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, for the config stuff? yeah right... < 1374861899 188094 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'll probably either go with perl or then just resign myself to cmake+ninja < 1374861902 109006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I currently use a fairly large cmake configuration (387 lines + several modules) < 1374861910 541087 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02DA6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1374861929 28429 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, just tried out ninja as a backend, it seems to work, but it removes the color from the clang warnings < 1374861936 709184 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how that can be fixed < 1374861939 369062 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, tup does that too < 1374861946 735460 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :any way to fix? < 1374861961 596387 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or is it just clang saying "this is not an interactive terminal, screw it!" < 1374861972 279005 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :easy to fix < 1374861973 964556 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :-fcolor-diagnostics < 1374861974 800176 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's clang saying this is not a terminal period < 1374861977 438898 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1374861980 273505 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :They don't use ptys < 1374861991 29138 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, thanks < 1374862013 720873 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, make edit_cache opens ccmake again, ninja edit_cache just hangs < 1374862018 35704 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw just writing a configure.py with ninja_syntax.py is pretty easy < 1374862019 995776 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess they didn't test that properly < 1374862025 408394 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :you don't really need a meta build system at least for simple stuff < 1374862029 642770 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Easy" is relative, changing CFLAGS does nothing in tup < 1374862094 353544 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott, very true, cfunge has a non-trivial configuration though, such as "this function is in librt on linux and libc on freebsd" < 1374862104 782193 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, works for cmake+ninja though < 1374862130 350661 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :With a configuration system it's easy < 1374862134 936709 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or it should be < 1374862136 689569 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: We have an adjustment period. < 1374862149 185321 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: You have both accounts now, then, or just ICS? < 1374862151 778655 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Right, but you should be able to handle CFLAGS on tup right? < 1374862152 204776 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Department of Signal Processing and Acoustics. (Our group moved.) < 1374862157 580867 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1374862163 64752 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: Both, but there isn't much of a computing infrastructure at SPA. < 1374862169 580952 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Not in pure tup, I don't think; not sure < 1374862177 391135 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can't remember, haven't touched it in a while < 1374862185 391223 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I thought it loaded tup.config or something to support variants? < 1374862224 787348 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Sure there's a bunch of files but I mean you can't change it from the command line < 1374862240 767465 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: You need to edit a config file, you can't just set an environment variable or pass a parameter or whatever < 1374862258 490732 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm I should try building cfunge for my RPi < 1374862258 715833 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right, < 1374862258 716008 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah I think that is indeed the case < 1374862258 716115 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does ninja support distcc? < 1374862263 968384 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess it would? < 1374862272 2794 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does distcc need special support? < 1374862313 361600 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374862341 46078 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I guess it is just a case of overriding CC < 1374862345 245737 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :that should work for ninja too < 1374862356 893756 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1374862359 3585 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1374862361 548061 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1374862378 815744 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why is package signing on my RPi broken!?! < 1374862449 186929 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :BTW what's the line count on current cfunge < 1374862511 18493 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, don't have any tool to check that around. I changed distro back in january and never bothered installing a tool for that. Know any in the debian repos? < 1374862532 575892 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know about the debian repos but I usually use ohcount < 1374862756 997451 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well this is really confusing, the package keyring is broken on my RPi < 1374863056 29040 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :cfunge r874 is 9710 C code lines (15474 total C), or 12411 (19820 total) when including the stuff in lib/ that's from others < 1374863061 262032 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :According to ohcount < 1374863312 268638 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds about right, < 1374863359 219392 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 276 seconds < 1374863372 961804 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :mushspace is only 9193 (12696 total), but it'll probably grow past cfunge before it's done < 1374863575 712545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, heh, my gpg keyring file was corrupt < 1374863634 289035 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1374863695 318744 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The Dungeons&Dragons session I have played in Wednesday was one player; the other player decided not to play. < 1374863826 940289 :douglass_!~thiotimol@home.pointlesstopology.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1374863870 808955 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374863874 358183 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374863906 971410 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin JOIN :#esoteric < 1374864686 971742 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, hm seems I have a HRTI granularity of 3 µs on the RPi. < 1374864755 280603 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is that unexpected? < 1374864786 1543 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, just amusing to see something other than "1 µs" < 1374864815 201105 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, On a PC you get granularity in the ns range (though HRTI doesn't support that) < 1374864866 632699 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :On Windows I got 16 ms with my initial implementation in CCBI IIRC < 1374864910 870977 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep, https://code.google.com/p/javasimon/wiki/SystemTimersGranularity < 1374864929 651800 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :"15.625 ms is reported ms timer frequency on multi-processor HW (or multicore as in my case) while 10 ms are reported on single processor" < 1374864936 190374 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh? On Linux I always got like 1-3 ns internally on my old Sempron CPU. Never checked what the resolution is on my current CPU < 1374864936 390760 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use clock_gettime which returns the time in nanoseconds, and then I do a loop to determine the actual granularity < 1374864944 240536 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you have Famicompo mini vol.10? < 1374864994 141596 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, The timer granularity is 1 ns, but since I check that with a loop, it means that it can end up as slightly more for obvious reasons < 1374865028 587142 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, pretty sure you can use QueryPerformanceCounter or whatever on windows for better precision < 1374865056 220759 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: In that link it says "the call itself takes around 150 ns", Java's got some overhead there though < 1374865066 441322 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And yes, I think I do something better on Windows nowadays < 1374865096 321715 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, right. Anyway on Linux clock_gettime doesn't even make a system calls. It reads a page with the counter in it that the kernel mapped into every user space process < 1374865132 541192 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, that's neat < 1374865193 553870 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Huh, they've made the "EATX" extra 12V power connector have 8 pins nowadays? < 1374865193 843965 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yeah it does some fancy not-really-locking to read both s and ns in a thread safe way. IIRC it reads a serial counter first, then reads s and ns, then reads the serial counter again to check it didn't change, if it did it tries again < 1374865229 110946 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, seems the power goes up and up. My GPU requires two 4 pin connectors to work < 1374865308 490467 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to figure if my old PSU would still be good for some hardware upgrades, but it's tricky; especially since I have no idea what the PSU model was, and it doesn't seem to have any markings on the sides that are visible. < 1374865321 233006 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, it is part of that VDSO thingy < 1374865346 327239 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, no brand or stickers? < 1374865371 569041 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, if it is still in the case, maybe the sticker or brand is on the top/bottom side that isn't visible? < 1374865395 38392 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I'm sure it is, but it sounds like such a hassle to start unscrewing it. < 1374865396 63398 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374865401 231417 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: even if the motherboard has fancy extra EATX plugs, you can (at least sometimes) get away without connecting a psu to them < 1374865404 164557 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plus I'm using this machine. < 1374865411 74193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least until something tries to use too much power < 1374865426 722675 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, and then you are really out of luck < 1374865435 909284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: The manual (well, this particular one) says it's okay to connect the older 4-pin extra 12V connector to the 8-pin receptable. < 1374865460 976134 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The PSU has a 4-pin one that's connected to the 4-pin receptable that's in the current motherboard, I was able to see that much. < 1374865478 301728 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: well, I guess you have to get a new power supply then, but only if/when you get there < 1374865542 272274 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, are you sure 1/0 in FPSP can be NaN instead of +inf? < 1374865548 783497 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :(same goes for -1/0) < 1374865588 892925 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is IEEE-754 or the like mandated anywhere? :-P < 1374865631 832252 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I would assume so < 1374865649 51712 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, So what does IEEE-754 say about this? I don't have it < 1374865711 951583 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :a/+0 is is signbit(a) * inf unless a is ±0 < 1374865752 521982 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well then, -1/0 should be -inf and not NaN < 1374865768 264049 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1374865768 821722 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :+-0/0 should be NaN < 1374865771 733480 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1374865792 266399 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about a/-0? is that -signbit(a)*inf? < 1374865799 202166 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yep < 1374865855 421827 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, well I guess FPSP/FPDP doesn't mandate IEEE-754, but if you don't assume that it does, I suspect that several of the other test expectations might not be reasonable either < 1374865912 202060 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like which ones? < 1374865977 32686 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, asin(2) being NaN. If you don't have IEEE-754, you might not have +/- inf or NaN. < 1374865988 542181 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :You could have something completely different < 1374865996 412621 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like throwing an exception < 1374866015 153172 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it allows reflection < 1374866018 72621 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not likely sure, but allowed yes, since there is then no actual specification on anything < 1374866036 842446 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes that would be a way to handle "system throwing an exception" indeed < 1374866048 594045 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it doesn't I'll fix it if somebody implements FP[SD]P on a non-NaN-having system ;-P < 1374866073 573344 :Bike_!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net NICK :Bike < 1374866075 883333 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, Erlang throws an exception on Nan or +/- inf < 1374866080 142591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just saying < 1374866117 413515 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that can't be disabled? < 1374866135 252881 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Let me check how I handled that in efunge, if I even implemented those fingerprints < 1374866137 281961 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope < 1374866156 593327 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have not implemented those in efunge < 1374866160 13081 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably for that reason < 1374866208 513020 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I did implement FIXP, and I'm doing try-catch on every asin or such that I call there, and push 0 in those cases < 1374866249 83279 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's a pain for interoperability < 1374866261 732909 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, yes. < 1374866300 633255 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, I believe the reasoning is that no normal application should get those values, and it is better to detect those errors when they happen. < 1374866317 622748 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And properly log them and reset the thread in question < 1374866334 102779 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Implementing befunge is not a typical erlang program after all < 1374866431 326862 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Kingston 2048MB (2GB) KIT 533MHz" "201.90 EUR" things certainly have changed. < 1374866437 744137 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.113 QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1374866493 563626 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet JOIN :#esoteric < 1374866497 648424 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I found the power supply, and it claims to be 400W. < 1374866500 192262 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, yeah, I would go for 8 GB modules nowdays. Probably 4 x 8 GB < 1374866530 373892 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, a bit on the weak side maybe, depending on what you plan to put in the computer < 1374866537 403569 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a 700 W PSU iirc < 1374866542 743490 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :or 650, I don't remember < 1374866564 217696 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't have all that concrete plans yet, but probably nothing terribly exciting, at least as far as GPUs go. < 1374866600 914545 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what about rotating HDDs? Especially when they are all spinning up at the same time at boot you will get a spike in the power usage < 1374866628 148860 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got a couple (3) of those. < 1374866661 176530 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1374866685 656408 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, interestingly: turns out my SSD is not actually attached to the chassis, it's just lying there at the bottom of the bay where the HDDs slot into. < 1374866700 244421 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol < 1374866703 500383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even though I'm pretty sure I have two or three 2.5"-to-3.5" brackets somewhere here. < 1374866718 433225 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have the vaguest recollection that there was some reason why the brackets didn't fit, though. < 1374866760 433282 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, are you getting a new case? < 1374866772 61425 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wasn't thinking of. < 1374866785 743849 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, well if you are, I would suggest something with dust filters < 1374866791 286666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :While not perfect they help a LOT < 1374866818 883445 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's got some. (The one in front looks kind of terrible, I think I need to take it out and clean it.) < 1374866860 522750 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's also still quite a lot of dust inside, but I haven't probably opened it in the last two years or so.) < 1374867193 994395 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1374867202 424559 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I clean the filters every time I clean the room < 1374867235 182830 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to clean the case maybe once per year to remove a thin layer of dust (+ quite a bit in the fans) rather than once every month or so to remove a lot of dust < 1374867256 737316 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, not sure what type of dust filter you have, for me it is just a thin plastic wire mesh < 1374867270 834802 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have finished typing recording of this session of Dungeons&Dragons game. < 1374867276 985595 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Guess it would be more annoying to clean filters more similar to say that of a vacuum cleaner < 1374867351 545406 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I haven't really looked all that closely at the filters. < 1374867567 855286 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a server with two SSDs that are just taped to the inside of the chassis < 1374867593 976070 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dust filters are great < 1374867655 565428 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can get cheap filter kits that attach to an existing fan bay on any case < 1374867673 264971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :eg http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811988015 < 1374867716 114521 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like hardware. :/ < 1374867717 794342 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's messy. < 1374867737 542271 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why can't I just upgrade my computer by editing some config file somewhere? < 1374867754 495281 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nix should support that < 1374867779 795641 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so have you updated to the latest trunk of cfunge yet? < 1374867808 950694 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, no. I've been just inhaling dust. < 1374867823 195658 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And hitting my head on the bottom of a desk. < 1374867834 866672 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1374867840 104127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And other such stupid things that are involved in anything dealing with computer hardware grumble grumble. < 1374867861 486494 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, why do you have it below the desk? < 1374867879 896073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have it in a bookshelf next to the desk, higher up from the floor, means a bit less dust too < 1374867904 354146 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Because there's no space on top of the desk. Or in the bookshelf. Plus those have doors, I'm not sure how good airflow that would have. < 1374867924 626756 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah yes, that sort of bookshelf would be an issue < 1374867935 105638 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you would get less dust though! < 1374867941 48038 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What about watercooling? < 1374867953 599298 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Too "gamery". < 1374867972 295604 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have noticed I need to improve the cooling in my desktop, though I don't like the sound levels when I switch the case fans to a higher speed < 1374867978 886508 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :So I need some other way to do that < 1374867989 16169 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not sure what < 1374867996 85975 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, you never play computer games? < 1374868019 729434 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sure I do, but I'm not a "gamer". It's a thing. < 1374868057 905661 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now I completely forgot what I was supposed to do in this terminal. It's got "cd " written in it, so I suppose I was going somewhere. < 1374868060 56875 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, What is the difference? < 1374868093 449793 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Gamers are the kind of people who don't understand any demoscene things. (The Assembly event is next weekend.) < 1374868105 398617 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's very much about the gamer-vs-demofolk dichotomy.) < 1374868148 499758 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1374868280 857154 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now on revision 874. (Not on fungot yet, that is; just in general.) < 1374868281 176037 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: fnord my firefox.) < 1374868301 745859 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: fnord you < 1374868302 329135 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: where does it say? it isn't written in cyrillic with the palatalizing character. < 1374868401 7044 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, aaah < 1374868413 697128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so once fungot restarts it will be on the new version? < 1374868414 257340 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: the winner will be optimizing by hand a basic c compiler in the works? surely not i. i would love a one-page version of it < 1374868448 861956 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, not quite. I need to get a compiled copy on the box fungot's running on, and I don't think there's gcc installed there. < 1374868449 327162 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: on first line. second line is a list of symbols). is that a bug? < 1374868460 506797 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Usually I've built elsewhere. < 1374868478 22932 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I can't figure out where I put the version with the built-in chroot changes. < 1374868510 337192 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1374868510 537815 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1374868515 868183 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I don't know how old your old version was, but at some point I started using libbsd if that existed for strlcpy. So check with ldd and check that it is installed on the target system if so < 1374868545 32 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"libbsd0" seems to be installed. < 1374868550 617784 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right < 1374869462 235375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I should build with EXACT_BOUNDS or not. < 1374869480 510939 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This copy won't probably ever be used for anything else than fungot.) < 1374869480 979856 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: and he was too little to break it up into new starts in 15 minutes or so < 1374869671 414640 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose I could try the result out. < 1374869672 250046 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course you should, it should be the default with an UNSAFE_NO_EXACT_BOUNDS opt-out instead < 1374869679 723941 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, eh, not sure if you use the bounds from y < 1374869689 883971 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant: It does default ON. < 1374869692 698591 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Deewiant, pretty sure it defaults to ON < 1374869693 728688 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I think.) < 1374869697 790010 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, okay then < 1374869702 15844 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :^raw QUIT < 1374869702 216111 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi QUIT :Quit: fungot < 1374869706 78908 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :I recalled that it was off at least at some point < 1374869710 119192 :Deewiant!~deewiant@deewiant.iki.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe not < 1374869718 531449 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :possible < 1374869732 999006 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi JOIN :#esoteric < 1374869740 511040 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, that's on r874 now. < 1374869744 159285 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, hi! < 1374869744 439155 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: scale it up after i tap c-d a few times i ran it on < 1374869746 679728 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style < 1374869746 879990 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7 fisher fungot homestuck ic irc* iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube < 1374869752 580787 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Are you feeling quite normal? < 1374869753 50009 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: cvs emacs cannot display images on the linux ime front. the best case < 1374869755 219101 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1374869755 419275 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1374869771 59874 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^show < 1374869771 296725 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping < 1374869773 7910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds like its usual self. < 1374870039 210357 :sebbu2!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu NICK :sebbu < 1374870153 710757 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Good < 1374870377 870554 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style darwin < 1374870378 112214 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm? < 1374870378 112335 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it lagging? < 1374870378 112393 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot, ping < 1374870378 112453 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: darwin (Books by Charles Darwin -- you know, that evilution guy) < 1374870381 640891 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: during/ successive reprints :)/ first number :)/ primary wing-feathers is a constant tendency to fill up wide intervals in/ natural history :) these islands, as well as congenital peculiarities, are transmitted; so it appears to be a systematic naturalist, on/ principle :) inheritance--the occurrence :) rudimentary. -conversion :) stamens into imperfect petals, and occasionally quite black./ plainer males :) these japan < 1374870382 899797 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^help < 1374870383 99978 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, what is going on? < 1374870383 100079 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :^ ; ^def ; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool < 1374870391 836451 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungots < 1374870392 262458 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: orange. -crossing :) domestic and wild cats. -of breeds :) pigs. -on interbreeding. -in/ himalayan. -crossing :) domestic and wild swine. -on/ dingo. < 1374870424 760340 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1374870424 960571 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :^style irc < 1374870424 960748 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Selected style: irc (IRC logs of freenode/#esoteric, freenode/#scheme and ircnet/#douglasadams) < 1374870537 838726 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1374871786 776553 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think freenode lag. < 1374871822 305910 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :From where I am, I saw your four ^style darwin ... fungot ping lines all on the same second. < 1374871822 774275 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: after i logged off i realized i did something like that. < 1374871923 114939 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote octopus < 1374871928 45163 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :185) Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) \ 214) ais523: Maybe it is better, because I don't think the octopus will live very well in the tree. But the difference is that the Internet is lying and you cannot see such things; you could m < 1374871940 902585 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: how can you realize something after you log off? < 1374871941 465392 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: acarrico's pointer to the image show right for both of you :p) have a fullscreen irc client. < 1374871986 376785 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`zzote < 1374871987 776379 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: zzote: not found < 1374872016 316135 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote '' < 1374872018 365407 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1374872024 634751 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quote < 1374872026 15090 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :27) I am not on the moon. \ 116) Some people are reasonable, some people who are not reasonable insist on changing things so therefore progress depends on not reasonablepeple \ 150) catseye: Please wake up. Not recorded for this timezone. The big spider is not your dream \ 182) Maybe they should just get rid of Minec < 1374872032 514538 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run quote '' < 1374872033 916010 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :27) I am not on the moon. \ 116) Some people are reasonable, some people who are not reasonable insist on changing things so therefore progress depends on not reasonablepeple \ 150) catseye: Please wake up. Not recorded for this timezone. The big spider is not your dream \ 182) Maybe they should just get rid of Minec < 1374872042 105298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Are you on the moon yet? < 1374872044 534834 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, it's always the same order, huh. < 1374872053 143438 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjandom < 1374872054 265227 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: quoerjandom: not found < 1374872056 807599 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmph. < 1374872070 542578 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan norway < 1374872072 66511 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :897) fungot knows all. oerjan: you are correct. there's no freedom for free. \ 1009) oerjan is spreading the tired rumour that if you play Nietzsche backwards you hear Jewish messages. \ 601) elliott: it occurs to me that `? welcome is atypical: its information is actually true. \ 18) In an alternate < 1374872093 385461 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan < 1374872094 785319 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :183) elliott: i think i wrote a proof of 0*x = 0 on this channel once \ 831) we have PR? the good news is we have PR. the bad news is we borrowed haskell's motto for it. [...] [...] "avoid success at all costs" \ 671) oerjan: Hey, what's your country code for telephonistic dialling from the outside wor < 1374872240 655011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Re the power usage thing, checked a table of these things, and apparently the most high-end cards (Radeon HD7990) these days need three (3) of the eight-pin (8) PCIe extra power connectors. < 1374872253 737704 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan < 1374872255 55569 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :184) * oerjan considered buying lutefisk, but apparently it cannot be prepared in microwave \ 451) sllide: @ is an OS made out of only the finest vapour \ 363) oerjan: can you delete that and the meta turing completeness page thanks elliott: IN UNIVERSO ALTERNATIVO, OERJAN PAGINAS DELET \ 787 < 1374872261 116292 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Shouldn't it only give one quote < 1374872263 775157 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1374872290 425640 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: feel free to fix it < 1374872298 11107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(There's both 6-pin and 8-pin variants of the PCIe extra power cable; my PSU has one six-pin.) < 1374872319 265461 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`echo bin/quoerjan < 1374872320 735502 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :bin/quoerjan < 1374872332 295369 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is something deeply wrong with me. < 1374872334 695303 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quoerjan < 1374872335 816109 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :allquotes | grep oerjan | shuf < 1374872346 27220 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`cat bin/quote < 1374872347 165762 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​#!/bin/sh \ allquotes | if [ "$1" ]; then \ if expr "$1" + 0 >/dev/null 2>&1; then \ sed "$1q;d" \ else \ grep -P -i -- "$1" \ fi \ else shuf -n 1; fi < 1374872371 375238 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm, pretty sure mine are 4-pin? I guess I mis-remember < 1374872380 925207 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they definitely look square though < 1374872402 215417 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo allquotes | grep oerjan | shuf | head -n 1 > bin/quoerjan < 1374872405 996301 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1374872407 729553 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan < 1374872408 876091 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/quoerjan: Success < 1374872425 720194 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: There are square 4-pin EATX extra connectors that go to motherboards; maybe some GPUs use those instead? < 1374872426 429666 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. < 1374872429 475574 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i just, fuck. < 1374872438 375945 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'allquotes | grep oerjan | shuf | head -n 1' > bin/quoerjan < 1374872442 25969 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1374872442 585666 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, they say PCIE in white on the black connectors < 1374872444 923514 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan < 1374872445 305605 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1374872446 840238 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :324) oerjan: but hypothetically, assume a Christian spontaneously materialised during the apocalypse < 1374872450 575291 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`quoerjan < 1374872452 72637 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :427) cigaretes and drunking "lame highs for lame people" yeah if it doesn't make you go crazy and shoot at people, it's not worth it. take it from a norwegian. < 1374872462 144088 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Hmm. From what I've seen, that should be a 3x2 or 4x2 pinout thing. < 1374872467 195298 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Can you make a game out of sequent calculus? I have a way to do but do you have a different way? < 1374872474 725007 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then again, hardware. < 1374872476 95953 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'allquotes | grep zzo38 | shuf | head -n 1' > bin/zzote < 1374872476 655197 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how square do the 3x2 ones look though? < 1374872479 138918 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1374872481 285982 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`zzote < 1374872482 445680 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/zzote: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/zzote: cannot execute: Permission denied < 1374872489 246001 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run chmod +x bin/zzote < 1374872492 125527 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1374872492 828375 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :`zzote < 1374872494 366120 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :185) Invent the game called "Sandwich - The Card Game" and "Professional Octopus of the World" (these names are just generated by randomly) < 1374872516 356162 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a v. good quotes < 1374872520 616445 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is. < 1374872524 705957 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm glad I was here to witness it. < 1374872553 309064 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well... http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/PC_Power_Cooling/Silencer_750W/images/pcie.jpg has one of the "new-style" ones that have the 6+2 configuration, so that you can use them both in 6-pin and 8-pin holes. < 1374872559 411127 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess it's reasonably squareish. < 1374872562 316360 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374872685 375779 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The cards also take three slots at the back.) < 1374872717 449853 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/12/club-3d-radeon-hd-7990-6gb-review/hd7990-4b.jpg that's just ridiculous. < 1374872730 109855 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The 3*8 power pins are at the left end.) < 1374872734 576117 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the red button/light do? < 1374872743 411643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Probably it's a self-destruct button. < 1374872758 937029 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you aren't *really* going nuts until you have a second ATX power supply just for peripherals < 1374872763 448362 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :self-destruct is on my mind since i read about bomb sights today < 1374872766 490278 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yesterday < 1374872776 758958 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the brits offered to put self destruct equipment on american bombsights in WWII < 1374872780 327856 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :the norden bomb sight? < 1374872784 566272 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1374872823 170130 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Apparently it's a "moar speed" button. < 1374872830 997539 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1374872841 382085 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: "Press the red button, which loads a second BIOS, and the GPU clocks up to 925MHz, representing a minor gain and effectively becoming two full-fat HD 7970s on one board." < 1374872844 26927 :sacje!~sacre@unaffiliated/klet QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1374872862 226701 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is that like, a turbo button? < 1374872863 726731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a second BIOS, just what i always wanted < 1374872864 689359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have to admit I've been kind of missing the TURBO buttons of old. < 1374872871 777051 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i love the Turbo button < 1374872878 719583 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's the perfect confluence of engineering and marketing < 1374872879 417127 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :didn't the turbo button actually make it slower though? < 1374872890 66985 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like I remember if you pressed it on some old 386 thing I saw once it made it drop to like 8mhz < 1374872893 546742 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and go slow < 1374872902 556539 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah it was basically a "make it slow for compatibility" button < 1374872908 116929 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it was called turbo < 1374872927 481674 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :well they just inverted the sense of the button < 1374872935 169589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It still also makes it faster when you unpress it. < 1374872962 12084 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had a system where the turbo button was replaced with a .com program that toggled (I think) 8/16 MHz. < 1374873029 421147 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sometimes there was a seven-segment led display that showed the megahurz. < 1374873040 957539 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, hm possibly such a 6 pin one < 1374873115 401415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/2012/12/club-3d-radeon-hd-7990-6gb-review/hd7990-4b.jpg that's just ridiculous. <-- is that what you are getting? < 1374873120 593279 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I like how that cost half the manhattan project, was super duper top secret, but both sides used the same kind of bomb sights anyway since some of the swiss inventors ended up working for germany since before the war < 1374873141 540904 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: No, that'd probably melt my current PSU down. < 1374873151 387032 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not that there's enough wires in it to even plug all the holes. < 1374873165 186576 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1374873167 871454 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's just a random HD7990 card I goggled. < 1374873190 937306 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1374873205 279400 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently every 6-pin plug adds +75W of maximum power usage (to the 16x PCIe base of 75W), and every 8-pin +150W; so even with three that's just... < 1374873209 773703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :> 75 + 3*150 < 1374873210 866226 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : 525 < 1374873222 275484 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bah. Our sauna stove has higher wattage than that! < 1374873250 564183 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many polygons per second can your sauna stove push? < 1374873259 579741 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I don't know what the proper English translation for the sauna heating element is.) < 1374873267 832370 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I bet it's only like 50Hz too < 1374873272 265477 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It has a very realistically rendered rock texture on top. < 1374873281 327919 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: haha < 1374873327 30022 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: so each pin is carrying about 2 A? < 1374873332 37433 :Taneb!~nathan@host-92-30-148-233.as13285.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374873334 279349 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, my current PSU could manage that, but not sure with the rest of the components (4 HDDs, 4-core i5 at 3.3 GHz (sandy bridge) and so on) < 1374873356 967646 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait why should the 8-pin connector deliver twice as much power as the 6-pin < 1374873420 535187 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Devastate your enemies and smite those that question your gaming prowess" < 1374873458 798846 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's probably more about what they specified that the connector can deliver, than something to do with the connector itself < 1374873485 958674 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@p5B02DA6D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 22.0/20130618035212] < 1374873540 458036 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: nazi technology was crazy anyway. they had night vision goggles, planes with guns that automatically fired if another plane was overhead, and MACLOS missiles < 1374873556 77215 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :MCLOS* < 1374873591 48154 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :but it seems it would've been more future proof to add some kind of protocol where the card says how much it wants to draw and the psu says how much it can supply < 1374873600 586729 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: I have no idea. Maybe the extra pins are thicker? < 1374873639 107488 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooh, MCLOS must be what that Macross anime is named after < 1374873673 587935 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no doubt < 1374873754 318032 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe the 8-pin plug is also spec'd to have thicker wires? < 1374873820 621710 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I remember reading that the Axis and the Allies both developed radar chaff but put off using it for years because they didn't want to reveal that they had it < 1374873877 597922 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :just gotta wait for the right time *entire eastern front explodes* < 1374873935 188202 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also that german cryptographers weren't surprised that the Enigma could be broken, but were surprised that the Allies had put in the enormous effort necessary to do so < 1374873965 956735 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like to imagine that there was this thing going where the germans and the british were fielding all this high tech crap, and meanwhile the soviets are just flying planes too slow and low for german fighters to take down < 1374873994 838192 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that did happen some < 1374874008 158031 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't really know about the soviet end of R&D i guess < 1374874017 292159 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :they probably sent planes at all heights and speeds, it's just that the slow and low ones were the only ones to survive < 1374874040 658087 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the russians would fly WWI era biplanes right over the german camps at night, just to fuck with 'em < 1374874155 688617 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah i was thinking of the Polikarpov Po-2 < 1374874174 225118 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1374874181 178550 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Their usual tactics involved flying only a few meters above the ground, rising for the final approach, cutting off the engine and making a gliding bombing run, leaving the targeted troops with only the eerie whistling of the wind in the wings' bracing-wires as an indication of the impending attack" < 1374874191 359859 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not quite WWI era I guess < 1374874195 498503 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my favorite bit is of course "the stall speed of both the Messerschmitt Bf 109 and the Focke-Wulf Fw 190 was similar to the Soviet aircraft's maximum cruise speed" < 1374874288 631521 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike do you know what's the most produced vehicle of any kind ever? < 1374874335 148822 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :probably some kind of horse-drawn cart? < 1374874356 318961 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess that doesn't really count as a coherent class of vehicles < 1374874367 48862 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean like a particular model < 1374874379 478632 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm. jeep? < 1374874381 758228 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :anyway it's the Flying Pigeon bicycle from China, 500 million made < 1374874394 188565 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :awesome < 1374874440 99007 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"After the Communists led by Mao Zedong came to power in 1949, the bicycle industry was revived" i assume PRC forces used bikes exclusively < 1374874456 608661 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mao's little red bike (are they red) < 1374874498 925295 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :dunno < 1374874503 225374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the one on wikipedia is black < 1374874510 478430 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION cheers, for he is finally starting to recover
< 1374874526 122191 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw, they're black < 1374874561 981103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what are you recovering from? < 1374874576 714060 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Random testicle pain. < 1374874577 973893 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :«In 1994, the government named the bicycle a "national key trademark brand under protection", enshrining it similarly to national treasures.» < 1374874628 741198 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :testicle pain is no good < 1374874659 279215 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Indeed not. < 1374874669 868905 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :D: < 1374874675 869377 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :glad you're recovering, do you know what caused it? < 1374874680 539059 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :No. < 1374874704 429432 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION looks accusingly at Bike (the joke is that bike seats can hurt one's testicles)
< 1374874733 229254 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but also they can cause the entire crotchular area to go numb in a way that is alarming but short-lasting < 1374874747 299728 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :The medical guesses are either epididymitis (infection of the testes) or torsion of the testicular appendix (which hurts like torsion of the testicles, but is benign otherwise, because the testicular appendix is a vestigial structure) < 1374874763 360967 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :TIL there's a testicular appendix < 1374874777 640184 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Appendix T: Testicles. < 1374874786 351010 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And can't reasonably be anything else, because both ultrasound and CT scan say I'm in perfect health. < 1374874786 831233 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thesticles. < 1374874806 726459 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :`thanks testicles < 1374874808 311028 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Thanks, testicles. Thesticles. < 1374874902 570073 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm, i think i'm going to have to call it the " hydatid of Morgagni" because that sounds like some kind of frog < 1374874929 532153 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Needless to say, this has been a shitty few days. < 1374875379 219933 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1374875549 949625 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell madbr You want to look at http://esolangs.org/wiki/Collatz_function and http://esolangs.org/wiki/Minsky_machine hth < 1374875550 239879 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374875645 151112 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell madbr Also, http://esolangs.org/wiki/Fractran < 1374875645 388288 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374876088 742385 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fractran is great < 1374876098 181355 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what query prompted these? < 1374876141 701889 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :madbr was just asking about collatz < 1374876172 51516 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is the relevance of fractran that it illustrates that generalizations of collatz are turing complete? < 1374876176 752025 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah. < 1374876193 402587 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm it's not the most direct generalization < 1374876197 832279 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think some more direct ones are also TC < 1374876207 473984 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in general things tend to be TC < 1374876225 155172 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :conway wrote a paper about it but i haven't found a good version < 1374876829 783060 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: collatz functions are the direct generalization hth < 1374876857 392977 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also madbr was asking about things closer to fractran itself (and the similar 1-cell minsky machine) < 1374876865 614608 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374876921 172958 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :these are all very similar in how you make them tc, but fractran is uniquely simple < 1374876995 475699 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :collatz functions and 1-cell minsky machines basically add extra complications that you don't need. < 1374877077 213363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm or wait < 1374877140 443791 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: oh ok < 1374877161 363504 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :in some way collatz functions simplify fractran by removing the order of rules applied. but on the other hand they add the complication of choosing on exact modulus rather than just zero/non-zero. < 1374877215 923857 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i discovered collatz functions when trying to find out how to prove 3-cell bf TC, for which they are a perfect fit (with fractran i couldn't get the actual halting to work :P) < 1374877723 627102 :elliott!elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: "I once left my votes on Steve and Geoff's answering machine" I hope there is a really good story behind this < 1374877804 144322 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: i had been chosen to be that week's Silly Person or whatever it was called. i took it quite seriously. also Steve had somehow just before posted his phone number to the list. < 1374877865 904569 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the other main result was Insane Proposals, which i see still has a tiny vestige in the ruleset. < 1374877892 934655 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : How about rational numbers? <-- rational numbers have the nice property that you can fit any countable order in them. < 1374877911 544748 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett How about rational numbers? <-- rational numbers have the nice property that you can fit any countable order in them. < 1374877911 744852 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374878010 935028 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell tswett And of course that you can always fit another between/beside a finite number, which is how you prove the countable order result. Which means you don't need surreal numbers if you have only finite/countable number of fixities. Of course _any_ total order regardless of cardinality fits in the surreals. < 1374878011 134910 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1374878082 688232 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, speaking of surreals. What's ω! < 1374878138 927020 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's represented by the game {1,2,... | } where the naturals are listed on the left. < 1374878152 254629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :basically any ordinal fits into the surreals in that form < 1374878153 474532 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, i mean, the factorial. < 1374878169 225247 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. i don't remember how that works. < 1374878181 945372 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(i probably never learned it) < 1374878255 784910 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've vaguely heard you can do some calculus/series stuff but i have a hard enough time remembering multiplication. < 1374878886 776225 :sprocklem!~sprocklem@70.72.84.129 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374879015 820551 :Nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1374880062 987719 :ottianna!~canaima@186.94.48.124 JOIN :#esoteric < 1374880252 807848 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I have three states, each character belonging to one of three character sets, and I have a transition matrix giving the cost of emitting a character from a given character set if you begin at a given state and end at a given state, do you know the algorithm to make the less cost? < 1374880342 887874 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :you mean you can always emit a character and get to any state you want, but the cost varies? < 1374880360 645009 :ottianna!~canaima@186.94.48.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1374880373 8696 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1374880376 378009 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? welcome.es < 1374880378 478648 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1374880406 648520 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes. < 1374880417 227996 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is precisely what I mean. < 1374880444 190259 :ottianna!~canaima@186.94.48.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :pero quien eres < 1374880481 377435 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ottianna: You have to learn reading English if you want to read it. < 1374880504 407440 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Do you have any idea about how such a thing would be done? < 1374880505 107863 :ottianna!~canaima@186.94.48.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :(23/07/13 17:53:10) zzo38: < 1374880505 947755 :ottianna!~canaima@186.94.48.124 PRIVMSG #esoteric :ottianna: You have to learn reading English if you want to read it. < 1374880540 517901 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :ottianna: (Of course if you don't know reading English then this message also isn't understandable.) < 1374880540 717526 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: given a string and a starting state, you can easily calculate this recursively from the information for substrings, i think. < 1374880560 217555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Yes but is there a more efficient algorithm? < 1374880599 998545 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think that's pretty efficient actually. < 1374880644 440405 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK, do you have an example? < 1374880646 828098 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :given that there is no reason why it should not vary enormously between different strings... < 1374880665 266760 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :let's say you want to output abcd < 1374880735 488532 :ottianna!~canaima@186.94.48.124 PART :#esoteric < 1374880767 568426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :starting in state s and ending in state t. then recursively, you calculate the cost of getting from s to u outputting abc, and from u to t outputting d, for each u. then you take the minimum of the sums over u's. < 1374880819 337887 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The entire string does not matter what state it ends in. < 1374880820 379865 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :note there is no exponential blowup, you just need to calculate N results for each initial substring, where N is the number of states. < 1374880855 768168 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: right, but you need a subroutine that calculates for given start and end, anyway. < 1374880894 839631 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, OK, I can understand that much. < 1374880929 378772 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose you can special case the last character added for the original problem if you want. < 1374881014 648708 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also it doesn't have to be recursive, it's easy to change it to iteration. < 1374881024 538818 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In order to calculate it for abc then I need to calculate it for ab... < 1374881044 907124 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but you can do a loop to do it for a, ab, abc in order. < 1374881067 839296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I thought of it something like that < 1374881161 279653 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374881210 78853 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The starting state is known, so I can calculate the score for a, and then... < 1374881236 920325 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :To do calculate ab from that... < 1374881255 209103 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: have you read The Reasoned Schemer? < 1374881456 108786 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1374881463 719087 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If I am understand, then you calculate the cost s to u outputting a, and from u to t outputting b, and now you have the cost of ab for each t, I suppose. < 1374881519 309382 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you need to keep track of what set of states you have decided. < 1374881678 50732 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-66.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374881678 287840 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1374881700 443897 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://fioraaeterna.tumblr.com/post/56556056152/quasistars-a-real-life-black-hole-sun I tried to write up a thing < 1374881725 900128 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good song < 1374881738 180177 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :*Jesus* I'm high right now < 1374881765 659138 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: A long time ago. I have the feeling in retrospect that I didn't absorb nearly much of it as I might nowadays. < 1374881784 839232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I have a copy! Maybe I should read it again. < 1374881789 909774 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: painkillers? < 1374881794 671708 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yup. < 1374881799 10557 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also adrenaline. < 1374881810 639625 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :enjoy it, I guess? < 1374881813 199617 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get hooked < 1374881817 280491 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :how effective are they? < 1374881822 139391 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: nice < 1374881824 639676 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION doesn't actually *enjoy* it.
< 1374881833 339982 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :drugz drugz drugz < 1374881833 539464 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somewhat! < 1374881851 291555 :pikhq!~pikhq@24.107.196.13 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm honestly not a fan of the sensation. < 1374881853 249323 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"They reside at the core of nearly every galaxy, even in quasars less than a billion years after the Big Bang itself." might wanna throw "formed" in there < 1374881879 480082 :noooodl!~nooodl@91.179.137.83 QUIT :Quit: noooodl < 1374881911 579592 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i got some kind of drugz pillz when i had my wisdom teeth removed a few years ago < 1374881916 620806 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wanted to imply like, um, "quasars photographed..." < 1374881920 639745 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never used them (i think i still have them "not sure") < 1374881925 600755 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like we don't necessarily know when they /formed/ but we photographed them at a point in time? < 1374881929 80072 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm not sure what the right way to say that is < 1374881929 279281 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh right < 1374881938 332065 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dating from"? < 1374881956 393433 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay! < 1374881967 629542 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think anyone reading this is probably already familiar with far away things being from a while ago < 1374881981 369871 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: did you study astrophysics in school? < 1374882015 500101 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ok this is really cool and also metal as fuck. < 1374882026 579428 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: see! black hole sun < 1374882028 120794 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION put soundgarden on, to go with it. very appropriate
< 1374882030 79600 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xD < 1374882044 179775 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that definitely makes sense < 1374882044 380109 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: my dad was really into it and gave me a lot of books to read when I was little, and I devoured them for a little while < 1374882052 411291 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but in school I was kind of bad at physics and ended up doing CS < 1374882062 549713 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never actually took an astronomy course < 1374882072 521424 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it was because you ate all that paper when you were little < 1374882075 240201 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :that can't be good for you < 1374882081 142 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :though if you like gave me a telescope I think I would quietly geek out for a few epochs < 1374882157 547409 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: I don't remember the context in which we were talking about rational numbers. < 1374882170 339985 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: cool < 1374882195 482063 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@messages < 1374882196 650191 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :wtf did xkcd time end or not < 1374882202 360125 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I too was bad at physics in school... I was distracted by CS and people and stuff < 1374882208 368368 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: hey < 1374882210 946781 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lambdabot: I'm talking to you < 1374882224 390320 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the math defeated me >_< < 1374882231 108600 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :xkcd Time didn't seem like it was nearing its end, last I checked. < 1374882235 110360 :tswett!~tswett@ec2-23-23-86-149.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I feel like that was about a week ago. < 1374882237 290875 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinematics is, like, hard, man. < 1374882253 580118 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and then there's all that... "electromagnetism" stuff............ < 1374882261 190455 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was pretty bad at the multivariate calculus in E&M < 1374882278 130485 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I should have actually took some time to learn it for real rather than trying to wing it 6 hours before homework was due < 1374882292 359729 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm not sure i understand multivarate calculus well enough to do EM, even though I passed the class in it and all :/ < 1374882300 541172 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I got a C in E&M... < 1374882304 689773 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"matter falling into a black hole releases orders of magnitude more energy than nuclear fusion" hm, why is that? < 1374882319 29996 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :gravitational potential energy < 1374882339 99584 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the gravitational potential difference between empty space and "event horizon" is huuuge < 1374882342 419981 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :falling nukes < 1374882358 30169 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and I think, like, the way accretion disks work helps release a lot of that energy as x-rays and stuff? < 1374882359 439960 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :mm < 1374882366 451996 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, I remember reading the other day in a different thing < 1374882387 950532 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :matter falling on a neutron star hits soooo hard that it actually spallates, like, the nuclei themselves may spallate < 1374882397 550395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: your language's fixities i think? < 1374882397 750287 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1374882400 90598 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's... spallating < 1374882405 10588 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so like, iron nuclei explode into a bunch of helium and hydrogen nuclei < 1374882409 200128 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :um. < 1374882411 440307 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, shatter into pieces < 1374882413 880562 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Should I read it again? Why did you bring it up? < 1374882416 829946 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's, wow. < 1374882429 300360 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :the energy of fusion is apparently ~7MeV/nuclei, and hitting-the-neutron-star-surface is ~200MeV? < 1374882440 30451 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that seems like a pretty good way to explain easily how fucking dense those things are < 1374882440 230433 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@wa 200 / 7 < 1374882443 389624 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, like, wow < 1374882443 589420 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "200" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1374882443 589585 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :200 < 1374882443 589671 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: being ten more than one hundred ninety [syn: {two < 1374882443 589756 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : hundred}, {200}, {cc}] < 1374882443 589838 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :No match for "/". < 1374882445 460504 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :*** "7" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" < 1374882447 442 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :wrong channel dearie < 1374882447 549600 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :7 < 1374882449 170110 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1374882449 590459 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : adj 1: being one more than six [syn: {seven}, {7}, {vii}] < 1374882451 480138 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm sorry :/ < 1374882451 679713 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : n 1: the cardinal number that is the sum of six and one [syn: < 1374882453 470067 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : {seven}, {7}, {VII}, {sevener}, {heptad}, {septet}, < 1374882455 589667 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugin `dict' failed with: <> < 1374882456 429997 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yo lambdabot shut up < 1374882458 440124 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :thanks < 1374882467 971161 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it hits the surface at like, 30% the speed of light I think? < 1374882470 770439 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: no particular reason; I just happened to be thinking about that book today < 1374882483 12572 :clog!~nef@bespin.org QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1374882487 720509 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oleg cowrote it < 1374882494 489768 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does that mean there's a coöleg < 1374882494 910116 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: there was a big "THE END" message about three updates ago. but there have been a couple updates since then, but not any action. < 1374882500 290532 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :could you like, somehow get into orbit and use the energy to gravitational slingshot at a speed of Pretty Fast < 1374882502 111346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is coöleg related to clog (bye clog) < 1374882526 30108 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :tswett: in fact i started reading it daily a few days ago because it was really picking up < 1374882542 360812 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is clog related to klogg (hi klogg: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUgrkdzO6Ao ) < 1374882545 410416 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: well, like, gravitational slingshots are about stealing energy from either an object's velocity, rotation, or that thing where you do a burn at perihelion? < 1374882558 980371 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like, if you don't do any of that you'll end up with the same energy you started with < 1374882570 510323 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least that's what I think it was? < 1374882586 530517 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have no idea. < 1374882592 521078 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/3a/Gravitational_slingshot.svg < 1374882633 990396 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so, a neutron star binary, "clearly" < 1374882641 480466 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-26-83.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should try to understand http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oberth_effect
< 1374882642 880150 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :another one is where you run your engines at perihelion, which gives you more speed because like < 1374882651 831626 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you're leaving the fuel at a point of lower gravitational potential energy < 1374882656 490221 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so by conservation of energy you have to have gained more speed < 1374882659 719973 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think? < 1374882669 875899 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. that's the obert effect < 1374882702 390969 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's because Energy = Force * Distance, so if you exert the same force over a longer distance ('cause you're going faster) you get more energy < 1374883015 720963 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ULAS_J1120%2B0641 it's one of those super old quasars < 1374883070 270935 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Although this may appear to be larger than the size of the observable universe," fuckin < 1374883073 261341 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was a quasar before it was cool < 1374883081 282467 :Bike!~Glossina@71-222-63-186.ptld.qwest.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>_< < 1374883128 671525 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: it's just the whole "comoving distance" thing < 1374883155 50817 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the light took 13 billion years to get here but since the distance got bigger in the meantime the "actual" distance "right now" is 28b? < 1374883198 210724 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think?