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00:06:37 <Bike> it works pretty well since internet is most of what i use it for
00:06:50 <Bike> everybody in my dorm is a gamer so i'm clearly inadequate, but still
00:07:00 <kmc> lol
00:10:28 <Bike> i swung by the CS labs and the local LUG runs starcraft tournaments, kinda sad i can't get in on that except i suck at starcraft anyway
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00:28:34 <Sgeo> `slist You come to the sobering realization that things will never stop from keep happening constantly.
00:28:35 <HackEgo> slist You come to the sobering realization that things will never stop from keep happening constantly.: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
00:29:26 <shachaf> ms pain adventures
00:33:14 <Bike> http://100percentmen.tumblr.com/ awesome
00:50:29 <Bike> "The staff of Posterous in 2011 (they now have one woman engineer), the entire staff of IFTTT (at least they named the dog Lady), the entire management team at Autonomy and Pivotal, the executives of Foursquare, the team at Couple.me (an app for dating), the boards of Pandora and Rackspace and Fairchild Semiconductor (plenty more where that came from here)."
00:51:03 <ion> bike: The Equality Unit of Finland’s Ministry of Social Affairs and Health that consists of 100 % women. http://puheenvuoro.uusisuomi.fi/sites/default/files/imagecache/biggest/domain-2050/kuvat/Tasa-arvoyksikko.png
00:52:05 <Bike> i don't know finnish names, at all
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00:53:57 <shachaf> "neljä" is a nice-sounding finnish name. unfortunately it means "four".
00:54:36 <Fiora> Bike: "The entire applied math department at Harvard." wooow
00:54:41 <Fiora> geez
00:54:45 <Sgeo> `slist
00:54:47 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
00:55:22 <Bike> also everyone who's ever won a fields medal, and (not on the blog) the nevanlinna prize, abel prize, or gauss prize.
00:56:23 <Bike> of course there have only been two gauss prizes.
00:57:03 <Fiora> (I was clearly so spoiled at college -_-)
00:57:23 <Bike> well, women have won the turing prize, at least.
01:00:05 <Bike> it's all very... stark.
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01:05:17 <Fiora> Bike: http://31.media.tumblr.com/54be05e8ce5134d78327d58e515d8830/tumblr_mlglcd1Oxb1sonq8lo1_1280.png geez, they all blend together
01:05:40 <Bike> i'm probably gonna look like that someday *sigh*
01:05:48 <Bike> maybe i should cover my face in tattoos
01:06:00 <Bike> of like... walruses.
01:06:09 <Bike> dunno why that's the first thing i thought of, looking at this image.
01:06:27 <Fiora> I think this goes with my "wow I am bad at telling white dudes apart" thing from a bit back
01:08:20 <Bike> what does "collegiate" mean here anyway.
01:08:22 <Bike> @wn collegiate
01:08:24 <lambdabot> *** "collegiate" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
01:08:24 <lambdabot> collegiate
01:08:24 <lambdabot> adj 1: of or resembling or typical of a college or college
01:08:24 <lambdabot> students; "collegiate living"; "collegiate attitudes";
01:08:24 <lambdabot> "collegiate clothes" [syn: {collegiate}, {collegial}]
01:10:59 <Bike> i don't get what this has to do with finance.
01:11:29 <Fiora> maybe I should look it up in mirriam-webster's collegiate dictionary
01:11:51 <elliott> collegiate dictionary, n. a dictionary with just the word "collegiate" in it and nothing else
01:11:57 <Fiora> huh. "Collegiate" is actually a trademark
01:12:57 <Bike> does this mean i can sue charterhouse
01:16:04 <zzo38> Sue them for what?
01:16:13 <Bike> trademark violation
01:21:27 <oerjan> it has to be _your_ trademark to sue, Bike. well for it not to be thrown out of court, anyhow.
01:22:15 <Bike> what if i was to claim that i am possessed by the gestalt spirit of the merriam-webster company
01:25:44 <oerjan> do you _really_ want to be controlled by shareholders, i ask you.
01:26:17 <oerjan> shareholder necromancers, now there's a thought.
01:27:12 <shachaf> oerjan: so why aren't you in #-lens
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01:37:53 <oerjan> why in the world would i be in #-lens.
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02:02:23 <zzo38> Do you have other idea for this game, of player character, non player character, items, spells, currency exchange rate, etc? See if you know some!
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03:53:43 <Gracenotes> hm. it probably doesn't speak well if my esprit de l'escalier for situation today was "with your mother"
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03:54:16 <kmc> hahaha
03:58:50 <zzo38> What does that mean?
04:07:25 <oerjan> ~duck esprit de l'escalier
04:07:42 <Bike> isn't it something you think of on the stairway after losing the opportunity for the good burn
04:07:57 <oerjan> sheesh why are bots never around when you need them
04:08:01 <oerjan> also, oh right
04:08:03 <kmc> pub fn clone_with_style(&self)
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04:10:50 <Bike> kmc: oh shit, i just now connected hyperloop and musk. people have been gushing about hyperloop and complaining about musk being a rich fuck on my twitter feed
04:10:54 <Bike> it all makes sense
04:11:13 <kmc> haha
04:11:15 <kmc> now you know
04:11:54 <kmc> it's just a larger scale version of the usual 'i am a rails developer therefore I am qualified to redesign transport / nutrition / the alphabet' that you can see on Hacker News every day
04:12:20 <Bike> thankfully i haven't been on hacker news in like a year now.
04:12:32 <kmc> you say that like you're holding a "ONE YEAR" chip
04:12:47 <Bike> at least i never had an account!!
04:13:08 <kmc> anyway we have this fantasy that a SV billionaire will magically fix everything
04:13:24 <Bike> sv?
04:13:33 <Sgeo> Silicon Valley I assume
04:13:33 <Sgeo> ?
04:13:37 <kmc> because the large institutions we would need to actually fix everything are hopelessly dysfunctional
04:13:40 <kmc> yes
04:13:41 <Bike> oh
04:13:45 <Sgeo> Also, didn't he say he isn't buillding it?
04:13:48 <Bike> hm that reminds me of a quote
04:14:29 <kmc> http://pedestrianobservations.wordpress.com/2013/08/13/loopy-ideas-are-fine-if-youre-an-entrepreneur/ is I guess the definitive takedown of Hyperloop
04:14:33 <kmc> at least everyone is linking it now
04:15:28 <kmc> less capacity than a single freeway lane
04:15:38 <Bike> http://www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2012/06/23/155632386/sorkins-newsroom-is-no-place-for-optimism
04:15:44 <kmc> cost estimates that are beyond nonsensical
04:15:46 <kmc> oh god that show
04:16:02 <kmc> season 2 is running now
04:16:09 <kmc> I'm going to watch it even though part of me will hate myself for it
04:16:13 <kmc> Sorkin is a guilty pleasure for sure
04:16:28 <kmc> wash it down with some Armando Iannuci I guess
04:16:30 <kmc> the anti-Sorkin
04:16:32 <Bike> Yeah, a friend's watching it for some reason. I think when Trayvon Martin was mentioned for the first time he just stared at a wall for five minutes, reconsidering his sins
04:16:42 <kmc> (I read this article a while back)
04:16:46 <Bike> oh. ok.
04:16:49 <kmc> wait they actually got to Trayvon Martin already
04:16:50 <kmc> sigh
04:17:06 <Bike> i was thinking of the part where the wire has super diseased institutions and then sorkin's just like, hey graphs
04:17:26 <kmc> Sorkin really is a very good writer, within a very narrow definition of "writer"
04:17:53 <kmc> but he's too much of an egomaniac to team up with others who can handle the things he's not good at, like plot, characters, women, etc
04:18:00 <elliott> http://www.theonion.com/articles/nation-hoping-the-newsroom-ends-before-trayvon-mar,33135/
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04:18:04 <elliott> (have never watched any Sorkin show)
04:18:37 <Bike> «MacKenzie calls one of the show's objectives "speaking truth to stupid"» is this show real
04:19:06 <kmc> yes I have seen it and that is a direct quote
04:19:20 <Bike> well, a while back i saw a quote of sorkin saying he thought he'd have fit in great back in the 40s, the last time america was great
04:19:27 <kmc> ;_;
04:19:35 <Bike> so i just, kinda am now disregarding anything about him.
04:20:44 <Bike> i've just been transferring from "why are people so dumb" to "why is everything so incredibly fucked but still works" mentality, so
04:20:50 <Sgeo> kmc: I feel gullible now
04:20:55 <kmc> how so
04:21:12 <Sgeo> I thought the main problem with Hyperloop was just that some other company would need to build it, and hopefully they would be reviewing it first
04:21:22 <Sgeo> Not ... fundamental issues with this design
04:21:25 <kmc> ok
04:21:38 <kmc> well you're presumably not an expert at railway design so that's ok
04:21:52 <kmc> neither am i, neither is elon musk, neither are the newspapers cheering him on
04:22:14 <kmc> his proposal also contains some lies about the existing California High Speed Rail project
04:22:30 <Sgeo> I didn't even read the proposal at that point
04:22:49 <kmc> which is going to take forever to build and will be way too expensive and have all kinds of dumb elements, but should be basically a working modern high speed line
04:23:17 <kmc> and the same door to door time as Hyperloop when you factor in that Hyperloop takes you from middle of nowhere distant suburb of LA to middle of nowhere distant suburb of SF
04:23:45 <kmc> he doesn't even have a *fantasy* of how to route it to downtown
04:24:27 <Bike> life's too short to read rail proposals by amateurs
04:24:30 <kmc> haha
04:24:37 <kmc> I like fantasy maps as much as the next guy
04:24:52 <Bike> i like them more if the person making them has some kind of clue
04:24:53 <kmc> by which I mean "far more than any reasonable person"
04:25:00 <Bike> also if they're not rich. fuck the bourgeoisie. fuck the police
04:25:40 <Sgeo> I think it doesn't help that Elon Musk's name sounds like Ebon Muse
04:25:43 <Sgeo> I should sleep
04:25:47 <Bike> good night.
04:26:00 <kmc> 'night Sgeo
04:26:53 <Fiora> kmc: there seems to be that certain sort of person who looks at some big system that looks wrong or terrible to them and thinks "gosh, I can do better that those idiots with way more experience than me"
04:27:15 <Fiora> I guess it's kind of like the climate science thing of "gosh, all these thousands of experts in the field, they're just dumb, how come they never thought of /this/"
04:27:23 <kmc> crackpots
04:27:28 <kmc> that's all
04:27:38 <Fiora> I guess it's crackpotty but more overconfidence?
04:27:39 <kmc> but get enough of them in one place...
04:27:45 <kmc> feed them money from consumer web startups...
04:27:48 <kmc> scary
04:28:02 <Fiora> *less crackpotty
04:28:07 <zzo38> Well, sometimes someone will come up with somethings new, even if it is wrong, but occasionally it might happen that it can be corrected and still is some idea; usually not, though.
04:28:25 <Fiora> (I think the world needs some of those though, since 0.1% of the time they're right <.<)
04:28:41 <kmc> the article I linked discussed various non-bullshit ways to Innovate and Disrupt etc. in the field of rail
04:28:46 <Fiora> well okay maybe way less than that
04:29:04 <Bike> empirical research on how innovation happens would be nice.
04:29:33 <Bike> we probably have enough records of scientific activity in the 70s or whatever when we can reasonably clearly work through what's true etc to some extent.
04:29:44 <zzo38> See http://www.chessvariants.org/multiplayer.dir/yalta.html and the comment I wrote about a more precise variation; would you agree with my comment or not, or some do and some don't?
04:30:17 <zzo38> Bike: Do you have some such research?
04:31:39 <Bike> i don't.
04:33:01 <Bike> I don't even know what field would do that. I only see that kind of work from like, informaticians.
04:33:13 <Fiora> history of science, maybe?
04:33:14 <Bike> Which is interesting, but notvery systemic.
04:33:18 <Gracenotes> meow
04:33:25 <Bike> Yeah, like Kuhn with more data, I was thinking.
04:34:15 <Bike> i'm thinking about this because i've been reading a very in-depth description of a (real) government. i haven't really seen this kind of detail in prose before, with interpretation.
04:36:18 <Bike> «And the first time Will encounters the only major character of color, played by Dev Patel, he calls him "Punjab."» kmc help.
04:37:01 <kmc> yep sorkin
04:41:35 <kmc> all the female characters in his show are introduced as "she's the best at her job!" but then they spend all day at work talking about men and screwing things up because they're thinking about men
04:42:22 <kmc> that really bugs me. when writers think they're evading stereotypes by throwing in some offhand comment, but the only behavior you actually *see* is stereotypical
04:42:27 <kmc> it's a visual medium dude
04:42:58 <Fiora> http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InformedAttribute
04:43:28 <zzo38> ENIUQ[ DUP LT +SW +GT +< ENIUQ#> ]
04:43:30 <kmc> heh yes
04:43:34 <zzo38> <ENIUQ[ DUP LT +SW +GT +< ENIUQ#> ]> ENIUQ#
05:11:28 <Bike> kmc: hrm, the bit about traffic control (in hyperloop (it's ten minutes ago in my head)) is interesting, i do hear that a lot about personal rapid transit
05:11:43 <Bike> also "gadgetbahn" is cute
05:16:05 <Bike> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snFmLkOmkjE I am so glad I googled that term.
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05:17:30 <Bike> @quote cuttlefish
05:17:30 <lambdabot> No quotes match.
05:17:36 <Bike> `quote cuttle
05:17:38 <HackEgo> 926) <elliott> ~eval 1+2 <cuttlefish> Error (127): <elliott> this is a great bot boily i love it \ 977) <kmc> error: cuttlefish not synced to vblank <fiora> maybe it's a power phase issue <fiora> it's like, a european cuttlefish but it's using american water \ 1028) <Bike> http://www.amazon.com/Someone-Cuttlefish-Shapeshifter-Erotica-ebook/dp/B00
05:17:44 <Bike> `quote 1028
05:17:46 <HackEgo> 1028) <Bike> http://www.amazon.com/Someone-Cuttlefish-Shapeshifter-Erotica-ebook/dp/B0087PTMW2 i hope you know this is going to /fuck up/ my amazon recs
05:17:59 <Bike> kmc: i'm not sure you're up to date on cuttle canon here
05:18:18 <Fiora> cuttle canon
05:18:20 <Fiora> cuttle cannons
05:18:22 <Fiora> cuddle canons
05:18:33 <Bike> cuttle cannons sound kind of inhumane
05:19:11 <Gracenotes> incuttlane
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05:22:08 <Bike> « what is your point? I was trying to say high speed train track is very bad as of the “Berlin Wall” for both human and animals.» comments sections
05:24:00 <Gracenotes> though, so are highways, so maybe it'll be near that
05:56:59 <Bike> http://codecrap.com/content/400/
06:04:59 <Gracenotes> to my disappointment, vim shortcuts don't work in most word processors
06:05:06 <Gracenotes> ...any word processors
06:06:44 <atriq> tibi iratus sum, ergo es quoque
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06:58:17 <shachaf> kmc: This tmux bug is very annoying. :-(
06:58:26 <shachaf> Once in a while something odd happens to my irssi and after a while it dies.
07:00:30 <Gracenotes> my irssi has intense uptime
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07:05:19 <shachaf> So would mine, if only.
07:15:16 <Jafet> Can't vim be a word processor
07:22:28 <coppro> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIBqd1kxoQk
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07:39:46 <coppro> quick, very important question: do stargates have symbols on the back?
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08:01:13 <fizzie> ~metar EFHK
08:01:24 <fizzie> ...it keeps happening.
08:02:48 <olsner> fungot: what keeps happening?
08:02:49 <fungot> olsner: i got just the same too. i don't know what i did... the lever on the right way to avoid that, little girl, and no one'd look twice at you!
08:03:23 <fizzie> olsner: It just called you a little girl. Are you going to take that kind of lip?
08:04:06 <zzo38> coppro: Why do you want to know? Do you need to know what kind of symbols, too?
08:04:14 <olsner> fizzie: probably
08:05:40 <olsner> fungot: don't call me a little girl, mmkay
08:05:40 <fungot> olsner: that's as far as that.
08:06:09 <fizzie> fungot: Don't you take that kind of attitude with people, I can kill your process any time.
08:06:09 <fungot> fizzie: y, you know what's goin' on us isn't it an amazing rock!
08:07:00 <fizzie> It's the best rock.
08:07:35 <olsner> fungot: it isn't a rock, it's a rock LOBSTER
08:07:36 <fungot> olsner: now watch... that girl soon. you've been good to me.
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08:27:43 <Jafet> ^style
08:27:43 <fungot> Available: agora alice c64 ct darwin discworld enron europarl ff7* fisher fungot homestuck ic irc iwcs jargon lovecraft nethack pa qwantz sms speeches ss wp youtube
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12:19:52 <AnotherTest> does the IOCCC still have a category for preprocessor stuff?
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13:07:16 <boily> good aqueöus morning!
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13:10:00 <Roujo> Yes, aqueöus, quite
13:10:11 <Roujo> Excellent use of trémäs right there
13:10:20 * Roujo nods at boily approvingly
13:14:37 * boily dons his bérêt and scarf (both made from free-range organic llama wool)
13:14:58 <Roujo> Free-range wool is best llama
13:15:29 <boily> it symbolises the déchéance of modern society and its corruption under rainy weather from the remnants of an ephemeral proto-civilisation that conquered the west in anarchy and corrup...
13:15:35 * boily retches
13:17:08 <Roujo> You okay there?
13:17:45 <boily> I am. it's just an allergy to pompous pseudo-intellectualism expounded by mediocre modern artists.
13:24:33 <Roujo> Ah, yes. Such déchéance. It's really sad, really really.
13:27:08 <fizzie> Good audacious afternoon.
13:30:00 <Roujo> Very Äudacious
13:31:36 <fizzie> "Training data may be insufficient for selected number of components. Have: 358046, recommended: >629760 points."
13:32:20 <boily> how come ~350000 datapoints can be insufficient?
13:33:04 <boily> fizzie: on what kind of data are you training models?
13:33:13 <fizzie> "Audio."
13:33:22 <boily> oh.
13:33:32 <fizzie> Well, I mean, short-time spectral representations, of course.
13:33:37 <fizzie> Or cepstral, in this caes.
13:34:12 <boily> ~duck cepstral
13:34:15 <fizzie> Anyway, the model in question was a GMM with 256 components, and there's quite a lot of parameters involved in 256 39x39-sized full covariance matrices.
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13:34:39 <fizzie> Did you know: the "x" axis of a cepstrum is the "quefrency".
13:34:39 <boily> can't you do a PCA?
13:34:53 <fizzie> And the analogue of filters are called "lifters".
13:35:09 <boily> that is most tsidurbing.
13:35:26 <fizzie> The whole area is full of puns like that.
13:35:49 <fizzie> I've forgotten some other good examples, sadly.
13:35:51 <boily> ~duck cepstral
13:35:52 <metasepia> A cepstrum is the result of taking the Inverse Fourier transform of the logarithm of the estimated spectrum of a signal.
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13:36:15 <boily> `relcome Carolyne
13:36:17 <fizzie> Oh, right: rahmonics.
13:36:18 <HackEgo> Carolyne: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
13:36:29 <Koen__> the colours changed
13:36:34 <fizzie> There are rahmonic peaks at particular quefrencies in the cepstrum.
13:36:42 <boily> fizzie: as in that old classic from genghis khan: “rah rah rahmonics”
13:37:07 <boily> Koen__: each time the colours change, the change of colour is different.
13:37:19 <Carolyne> HELLO
13:37:24 <Koen__> so deep hello Carolyne
13:37:50 <Carolyne> Y LOVE YOU:-*
13:38:02 <Koen__> Y INDEED
13:38:28 <Koen__> dyd ellyot break hys y agayn?
13:38:36 <fizzie> boily: (Also what I'd *like* to do is a diagonal-covariance GMM, but the toolbox I was using didn't support that; I'm attempting to use a different implementation instead, now.)
13:38:40 <Carolyne> QUE VOS NO ENTENER
13:39:29 <boily> Carolyne: ¿habla usted español o portugués?
13:39:46 <Carolyne> ESPAÑOL
13:41:01 <Carolyne> YO SOY DE COLOMVIA
13:41:10 <Roujo> `relcome ESPAÑOL
13:41:13 <HackEgo> ESPAÑOL: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
13:41:28 <boily> `? welcome.es
13:41:30 <HackEgo> ​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
13:41:59 <Roujo> `relcome intensity
13:42:02 <HackEgo> intensity: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
13:42:33 <fizzie> Very nice.
13:42:47 <boily> first time I see HackEgo do that.
13:42:51 <Roujo> It's missing parts of the message, but those can be inferred anyway
13:43:37 <fizzie> I don't see anything missing there.
13:44:09 <Carolyne> ,,,..{:-*}
13:44:11 <Roujo> Well, it's just hard to read it when the foreground and background are the same
13:44:17 <Roujo> Heya Carolyne
13:44:24 <Roujo> Como estas?
13:44:28 <fizzie> I didn't have any sections with same foreground and background either.
13:44:33 <Carolyne> VIEN
13:44:39 <AnotherTest> Roujo: I think most people use a black background
13:44:46 <AnotherTest> well, actually, I have no idea
13:45:08 <fizzie> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130814-intensity.png -- as seen here.
13:45:13 <Koen__> black background is just there to look geek
13:46:29 <Roujo> This is what I got: http://i.imgur.com/spUhWMH.png
13:46:33 <boily> http://imgur.com/6MkUV3X -- as seen also here, but another here.
13:46:49 <fizzie> It's there to get you expelled from school for "hacking".
13:46:49 <fizzie> (I think I remember a story.)
13:47:05 <Koen__> am I the only one whose letters are actually coloured rather than just the background?
13:47:09 <AnotherTest> Koen__: not sure. I find it rather readable, also, I never bothered configuring xterm with a white background
13:47:42 <Koen__> AnotherTest: you just admitted having irc in the console
13:48:10 <Roujo> I guess it's the reversal character that messed the colors up
13:48:13 <boily> urxvt is better than xterm!
13:48:21 <AnotherTest> Koen__: well... I'll admit it... I use irssi
13:48:44 <Koen__> see? you geeked Carolyne off
13:49:12 <boily> ア〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜〜ッ!
13:49:18 <AnotherTest> ...I also use i3
13:49:26 <Carolyne> CHAO
13:49:41 <Roujo> `relcome chao
13:49:44 <HackEgo> chao: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
13:49:47 <boily> ~duck chao
13:49:48 <metasepia> A center of population, commerce, and culture; a town of significant size and importance.
13:49:53 <Roujo> ~duck chao chao
13:49:53 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
13:50:04 <Roujo> `? chao
13:50:05 <HackEgo> chao? ¯\(°_o)/¯
13:50:15 <myndzi> |
13:50:15 <myndzi> o/`¯º
13:50:20 <Roujo> God
13:50:21 <nooodl> `relcome test
13:50:23 <HackEgo> test: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
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13:50:37 <fizzie> I keep getting i3 and ion3 confused.
13:50:44 <boily> that was... surrespañeal.
13:50:55 <Roujo> Superespañal, even
13:51:01 <Roujo> Superespañäl, even
13:51:18 <Roujo> boily!
13:51:34 <Roujo> You forgot to ask for her weight/locatiön!
13:51:48 <boily> sorry. I was momentarily disturbed. :(
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14:18:34 <Phantom_Hoover> fuck is with all the spaniards
14:19:17 <boily> I think the consensus is that our Fine Channel has a name that starts with “es”.
14:19:58 <Taneb> Phantom_Hoover, are they asking questions?
14:20:28 <Phantom_Hoover> i don't know, i don't espange
14:20:38 <boily> Tanello.
14:20:57 <boily> Taneb: they do. she's /msging me with the usual CAPITAL QUESTIONS.
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14:21:25 <Taneb> Huh
14:21:41 <Taneb> I wasn't expecting some sort of Spanish inquisition
14:22:04 * boily flops Taneb with a wide brimmed red hat and a pair of aviator goggles.
14:23:12 <Phantom_Hoover> so i looked up the spanish inquisition sketch on youtube
14:23:18 <Phantom_Hoover> the top comment is in finnish
14:23:33 <Phantom_Hoover> the second simply says "tits?"
14:23:42 <Phantom_Hoover> there's a point to be made here
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14:33:44 <Roujo> I'm at a loss as to what it is, tough =P
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15:27:03 <boily> ~metar CYUL
15:27:04 <metasepia> CYUL 141500Z 32005KT 15SM FEW025 BKN055 BKN120 BKN240 17/12 A2976 RMK SC2SC3AC1CI1 SLP077 DENSITY ALT 500FT
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15:40:14 <boily> Koen_: what are your approximate coördinates in Paris' XVIIIème, and your body weigh?
15:40:46 <Koen_> that's Paris XVII for you
15:40:59 <boily> woops. the «I» slipped.
15:41:04 <Koen_> and slightly above 70kg
15:41:09 <boily> thanks!
15:41:16 <Koen_> well
15:41:25 <Koen_> fsvo slightly
15:41:44 <boily> statistical background noise. nothing to worry about.
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15:56:52 <Roujo> Background noise is soothing, most of the time
15:58:03 <boily> Roujo: binaural white noise ASMR FTW :)
15:58:28 <Roujo> ASMR FTW, srs bsns
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16:18:33 <Vorpal> <oerjan> @ask Vorpal you're not the Vorpal who is playing r/nommit, are you? i am assuming not but cannot resist asking. <-- what is that even?
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16:29:54 <fizzie> Sounds like a reddit nomic.
16:30:09 <Carolyne> hola como estas
16:30:37 <Carolyne> :-*....
16:31:41 <Phantom_Hoover> donde esta la biblioteca
16:32:26 <Carolyne> no lo se
16:33:04 <Phantom_Hoover> me llamo t-bone
16:33:17 <Phantom_Hoover> la araña discoteca
16:33:35 <Carolyne> eres niña o niño
16:34:22 <Phantom_Hoover> si el nido es muy lindo
16:34:48 <Carolyne> que eres loco
16:34:57 <Bike> el es un niño, fsvo
16:35:06 <Phantom_Hoover> oh wait, google translate mistook you for gallician
16:35:18 <Phantom_Hoover> *galician
16:35:28 <Carolyne> esupido
16:35:44 <Bike> damn straight.
16:36:35 <Carolyne> hola
16:36:46 <Carolyne> como estan
16:37:13 <Bike> poco
16:37:21 <Phantom_Hoover> taco?
16:40:23 <Carolyne> pato
16:40:39 <Phantom_Hoover> ok look
16:40:44 <Phantom_Hoover> we got off on the wrong foot here
16:40:54 <Phantom_Hoover> i don't want to be insulted over irc by yet another spaniard
16:41:16 <Carolyne> chapo
16:41:31 <Carolyne> un beso a todo
16:41:39 <Carolyne> :-*
16:42:01 <Roujo> Heya Carolyne
16:42:26 <Carolyne> si
16:42:32 <Roujo> Si que?
16:43:06 <Carolyne> clo
16:43:12 <Roujo> Clo que si?
16:43:24 <Carolyne> claro que si
16:43:46 <Bike> creo es posible kmc hable español poco
16:44:31 <Roujo> Es posible, pero su perro no se tiene un amor estudiante para el papel
16:45:22 <Carolyne> que le pico a usted
16:45:42 <Roujo> Nada, no le quiero. Disculpame.
16:46:00 <Carolyne> tu de donde eres
16:46:30 <Roujo> Del mundo, y tu?
16:46:49 <Carolyne> dime la verdad
16:47:21 <Roujo> Es la verdad. Soy del mundo.
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16:47:40 <Roujo> Todo el mundo es del mundo
16:47:44 <Roujo> Asi es la vida
16:47:48 <Roujo> No me creo?
16:50:16 <Roujo> Heh. OH WELL
16:57:46 <Carolyne> puto
16:58:54 <Roujo> o rly
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17:00:09 <Carolyne> putero de coño
17:02:19 <Roujo> Classy stuff right there
17:02:23 <Roujo> `relcome putero de coño
17:02:26 <HackEgo> putero: de: coño: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
17:03:00 <Carolyne> chucha bruta
17:04:29 <boily> Roujo: ton espagnol est pas pire! meilleur que le mien, en tout cas :p
17:05:16 <Carolyne> coma mierd
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17:48:00 <olsner> fungot: puhutko espanjaa?
17:48:01 <fungot> olsner: hurry and see it? will you be riding this evening?
17:49:52 <fizzie> fungot: Why do you always answer questions with other questions?
17:49:53 <fungot> fizzie: me, ' don't worry about me? someone's been in fights ever since we was close.
17:50:55 <fizzie> "Warning: Failed to converge in 100 iterations for gmdistribution with 256 components" bah, it's converged enough.
17:52:29 <olsner> hmm, apparently gmail requires ActiveX if you use IE
17:53:47 <kmc> what
17:53:50 <kmc> i disbelieve
17:54:11 <Bike> does activex even still exist
17:54:25 <olsner> or maybe it only requires activex if you use opera with an IE user agent?
17:54:36 <kmc> is it like an IE 6 user agent
17:56:06 <olsner> could be
17:56:21 <olsner> Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; MSIE 9.0; X11; Linux x86_64) Opera 12.16
17:57:23 <Jafet> Is it mozilla, or is it msie, or is it opera
17:57:27 <Jafet> Or is it linux???
17:57:35 <olsner> nobody knows!
17:57:44 <kmc> is it snow? or is it synthcoke? only your wallet knows for sure
17:58:10 <Jafet> I have a board whose BIOS includes a web browser
17:58:19 <Jafet> I've never tried to use it
17:58:22 <olsner> apparently opera 15 calls itself "Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/28.0.1500.52 Safari/537.36 OPR/15.0.1147.100"
17:59:35 <Jafet> "We're like these other guys, except we actually implement web standards correctly"
18:01:30 <olsner> it would be nice if those user agent strings could just say which browser it actually is rather than having to dump all that crap in there to make stuff work
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18:08:57 <fizzie> User agents: the worst.
18:09:54 <fizzie> I seem to be "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/28.0.1500.95 Safari/537.36". (It's Chromium.)
18:10:17 <fizzie> The "KHTML, like Gecko" thing is particularly silly.
18:12:20 <fizzie> And some Windows systems have terribly long lists in the OS column.
18:12:41 <fizzie> "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 5.1; Trident/4.0; GTB6.5; SearchToolbar 1.2; .NET CLR 1.1.4322; .NET CLR 2.0.50727; .NET CLR 3.0.04506.648; .NET CLR 3.5.21022; .NET CLR 3.0.4506.2152; .NET CLR 3.5.30729)" (from my access.log)
18:25:21 <Gregor> elliott: What was that perfect u-a you made?
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18:27:16 <Gregor> `pastelogs Gecko Chrome Safari
18:27:56 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.31757
18:28:20 <Gregor> 2010-10-27.txt:02:14:03: <elliott> self.webkit_settings.props.user_agent = 'Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit KHTML Gecko Chrome Safari'
18:28:21 <Gregor> :3
18:30:41 <Gregor> Here's my suggestion: Mozilla/5.0 (That was a lie. More lies follow.) AppleWebKit KHTML Gecko Chrome Safari
18:37:04 <Jafet> If enough people use Mozilla/5.0 AppleWebKit KHTML Gecko Chrome Safari, it might become a web browser
18:37:11 <Gregor> Hahaha
18:39:35 <Jafet> Google's summary for whatsmyuseragent.com: “Recent User Agents Visiting this Page: You!! Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/ 2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)”
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18:40:06 <fizzie> Jafet: The truth, revealed.
18:40:12 <fizzie> fungot: Do you hang out with Googlebot ever?
18:40:13 <fungot> fizzie: on top of that explosion!! that's more like it. where you must live!
18:40:24 <fizzie> Sounds exciting.
18:40:56 <boily> someday, my life will be as grandiose as fungot's. explosions! the real manly life! the jetset!
18:40:56 <fungot> boily: it looks like we don't want to laugh... blue? i warned her, but there's nothing that can withstand the fangs of the turks...
18:42:13 <boily> I only laugh purple-and-a-half.
18:42:31 <boily> (running gag colour we have in our D&D campains.)
18:43:18 <Roujo> "A suffusion of yellow"
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19:37:51 <oerjan> @tell Vorpal i shall take that as a no, then. and yes it's a nomic played on reddit.
19:37:51 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
19:38:13 <Vorpal> oerjan, ah
19:38:50 <oerjan> i kept getting confused when that player was mentioned in ##nomic :)
19:39:42 <Vorpal> oerjan, I seen other Örjans and Ørjans, and I do not confuse them with you.
19:39:55 <oerjan> OKAY I GUESS THAT'S GOOD
19:40:05 <oerjan> why do i keep getting email spam in finnish.
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19:41:21 <oerjan> Vorpal: mostly it was the small possibility that you were actually playing nomic, since so many other #esotericians are. although i didn't really think it was your style.
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19:42:17 <fizzie> oerjan: Was it someone selling you a roll-up ad stand?
19:44:18 <oerjan> fizzie: the second one contains a lot of "roll-up", yes. the first one says something about "Classic-matto".
19:45:06 <boily> hm. I have simplified chinese spam. something about friends selling me mangoes...
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19:48:31 <fizzie> oerjan: I don't get all that much Finnish spam, but I got this http://sprunge.us/MJiT today.
19:50:47 <oerjan> fizzie: looks similar, although i already deleted the spam so not sure if exact.
19:52:43 <fizzie> Now you are missing out on a great offer. It's only valid to the end of August!
19:53:33 <oerjan> shocking
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19:56:18 <boily> ~fortune
19:56:18 <metasepia> As a computer, I find your faith in technology amusing.
19:57:23 <oerjan> metasepia: ok, just as long as you don't cackle madly
19:59:02 <boily> I should try an evil cackle underwater, just to see how it goes.
19:59:17 <boily> I'll probably end up drowning.
19:59:21 <oerjan> <atriq> tibi iratus sum, ergo es quoque <-- :)
20:00:37 <oerjan> boily: i think there should be something about that in the overlord list
20:01:13 <oerjan> oh hm, i distinctly recall it has something about avoiding evil cackles in general.
20:01:59 <boily> meh. boring. I want to cackle, while gently stroking my bot like Dr. Evil.
20:03:18 <boily> oerjan: but then, as you point out, entry #20: “Despite its proven stress-relieving effect, I will not indulge in maniacal laughter. When so occupied, it's too easy to miss unexpected developments that a more attentive individual could adjust to accordingly.”
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20:05:07 <Vorpal> <oerjan> Vorpal: mostly it was the small possibility that you were actually playing nomic, since so many other #esotericians are. although i didn't really think it was your style. <-- I'm planning to start playing some paper and pen RPG with some friends pretty soon, we are going to meet tomorrow to work out the schedules.
20:05:18 <oerjan> @tell AnotherTest afaiu IOCCC categories are made up _after_ they select the winners.
20:05:18 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
20:05:28 <Vorpal> Does that count as my style?
20:05:36 <Vorpal> Probably GURPS btw, knowing the DM.
20:05:52 <oerjan> Vorpal: nope, please stay more in character hth
20:05:58 <Vorpal> XD
20:08:16 <oerjan> (also, read Darths & Droids)
20:08:35 <Vorpal> oerjan, been a while since I last read it
20:08:50 <oerjan> they just started on the fifth movie :)
20:10:06 <oerjan> not only are they designing a webcomic by committee, but it is looking more and more like they'll actually manage to finish it...
20:11:22 <Vorpal> oerjan, Given how long IWC went on I didn't doubt they would get far.
20:12:28 <oerjan> yes but IWC was just that one guy (DMM) and i think he may have changed job during it, while all of Darths & Droids are made by coworkers at the same place.
20:13:14 <oerjan> of course it all obviously depends on DMM's supernatural time management skills.
20:13:42 <oerjan> *is made
20:20:59 <boily> ~duck iwc
20:20:59 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
20:21:06 <boily> ~duck IWC
20:21:07 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
20:21:21 <boily> looks like duck duck go is case insensitive.
20:21:26 <boily> ~duck duck
20:21:27 <metasepia> duck definition: any of various swimming birds (family Anatidae, the duck family) in which the neck and legs are short, the feet typically webbed, the bill often broad and flat, and the sexes usually different from each other in plumage.
20:21:30 <boily> ~duck DUCK
20:21:31 <metasepia> duck definition: any of various swimming birds (family Anatidae, the duck family) in which the neck and legs are short, the feet typically webbed, the bill often broad and flat, and the sexes usually different from each other in plumage.
20:21:43 <bicyclidine> Irregular web comic
20:22:15 <oerjan> ~duck CAPITAL
20:22:16 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
20:22:22 <oerjan> ~duck capital
20:22:22 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
20:22:31 <boily> bicyclidine: I was wondering if duck'd recognize that acronym.
20:22:42 <boily> ~duck ørjan
20:22:42 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
20:22:48 <bicyclidine> Oh
20:22:57 <oerjan> i am completely unknown
20:23:08 <boily> bicyclidine: the odds were against me, but I just had to try.
20:23:46 <boily> oerjan: you are Norwegian, from very up North. that's all I know about you. that, and that you weigh a tad more than myself.
20:25:14 <boily> I think you're the northernmost esoterician.
20:25:40 <oerjan> ooh
20:26:16 <shachaf> hi bicyclidine
20:26:18 <shachaf> what's with the nick
20:28:08 <bicyclidine> Hi shachaf. Phone
20:28:34 * boily sticks a “Hi! My name is Bike” tag onto bicyclidine
20:29:01 <oerjan> boily: there's one in the whois hth
20:30:25 <boily> hmm...
20:31:27 <boily> the whoises say that the bikes are jameses.
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20:43:12 <boily> `quote duck
20:43:14 <HackEgo> 156) <fizzie> I don't trust ducks. They always look like they're planning something. I'm not sure it's a good idea to give them language capabilities.
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20:50:07 <oerjan> fizzie: http://www.sheldoncomics.com/archive/011210.html (warning: dog slow today)
20:51:31 <boily> ~duck anatidaephobia
20:51:31 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
20:51:45 <boily> as per wikipedia: “the fictional fear that somewhere, somehow, a duck is watching you. From Gary Larson's The Far Side”
20:55:18 <oerjan> gary larson made up the word, of course. (it's not exactly a grammatical compound word in greek/latin)
20:55:43 <oerjan> anatophobia would have been more logical
20:55:59 <boily> yes, but less scary.
20:56:08 <oerjan> although i think that's still mixed latin/greek.
20:56:58 <boily> wiki has «Πάπια» for modern duck.
21:04:10 <fizzie> Today's weird thing: Windows 8's "recommended" resolution (bold and with a "(Recommended)" comment) for a 1920x1200 panel is 1920x1080.
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21:29:57 <fizzie> Hmp. I seem to be unable to set up VirtualBox's raw disk access in this thing.
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21:55:21 <fizzie> (I was hoping to set up my usual "Linux on VirtualBox providing (read) access to RAID/LVM2/ext4 partitions" setup, because the existing tools that claim to do LVM2 (explore2fs, ext2read) seem really kinda iffy.)
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22:07:28 <zzo38> Someone making "EMUya" mentioned that OUYA output is always HDCP, which among other things, causes the picture to lag too much. Do you know if there is a way to remove HDCP (even though some software might fail), or to remove HDMI altogether?
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22:22:55 <gerardo1> hola
22:23:16 <tswett> Hola.
22:23:43 <oerjan> `bienvenido gerardo1
22:23:45 <HackEgo> gerardo1: ¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.)
22:24:21 <tswett> oerjan: I would expect that command to be called `bienvenir, wouldn't you? Since the thing it does is "to welcome", not "having been welcomed".
22:24:34 <tswett> `welcome tswett
22:24:36 <HackEgo> tswett: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
22:24:53 <oerjan> tswett: um if so it should be the imperative, not infinitive
22:25:15 <tswett> oerjan: in my experience, Spanish UI elements are usually marked with the infinitive.
22:25:37 <oerjan> oh well
22:25:52 <gerardo1> spnish
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22:26:50 <gerardo1> hablas spanis
22:27:02 <tswett> Pues, ¿who would have thought that el estudio de gramarios context-free would involve so much complex analysis?
22:27:13 <tswett> Hablo español un poco.
22:27:23 <gerardo1> de donde eres
22:27:28 <tswett> Los EEUU.
22:27:37 <gerardo1> tienes facebook
22:27:43 <gerardo1> que edad tienes
22:28:08 <tswett> Sí tengo Facebook, pero no me gusta friendear a personas que no conozco, y tengo 20 años.
22:28:23 <gerardo1> sii te entiendo
22:28:52 <gerardo1> tienes novia
22:29:45 <tswett> Tal vez.
22:31:13 <gerardo1> yo estoy empezando hoy aqui
22:31:21 <gerardo1> soy nuevo
22:32:01 <tswett> Pues, bienvenido. Nuestra canal es tu canal.
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22:33:37 <gerardo1> yo estoy metido por la canaima
22:33:42 <gerardo1> y tu??
22:35:19 <Phantom_Hoover> i swear to god what is WITH the spanish in here
22:35:22 <tswett> Uhh, ¿qué es una canaima?
22:35:40 <gerardo1> es una computadora
22:36:01 <Bike> you got a problem with spanish compadre
22:36:09 <gerardo1> ??
22:36:24 <Bike> not you
22:36:33 <tswett> Ahora estoy leyendo algo sobre matemáticas.
22:37:05 <gerardo1> que estudias??
22:37:26 <Gregor> Phantom_Hoover: What is with the Spanish is that tswett has inexplicably decided to have a chat with what amounts to a spammer. (/msging random people in the channel definitely constitutes spam in my book)
22:37:56 <Phantom_Hoover> are they the same spammer, is what i'm wondering
22:37:56 <tswett> Matemáticas. ^_^ Pienso en hacerme actuario.
22:38:18 <Phantom_Hoover> carolyne and gerardo are the latest in a long line
22:38:34 <gerardo1> no te entiendo mucho
22:38:35 <gerardo1> ??
22:39:12 <Phantom_Hoover> of people who clearly know english but insist on speaking spanish, and mostly just seem to engender mutual confusion
22:39:33 <elliott> not convinced gerardo1 knows English here
22:39:56 <kmc> yeah I don't know where you're getting "knows english"
22:40:13 <Bike> well you can tell, because of the way they have communicated exclusively in spanish.
22:40:26 <tswett> Mm, no sé describirlo en español, pero hay un articulo de Wikipedia sobre eso: http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Actuar%C3%ADa
22:40:46 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, well OK maybe not gerardo, but past spaniards have replied to stuff people have said in english
22:41:15 <Bike> why do you keep calling them spaniards
22:41:48 <gerardo1> you're a very nice person
22:41:50 <Phantom_Hoover> because spanglophiles just sounds silly
22:41:59 <tswett> Phantom_Hoover: hispanophones?
22:42:04 <Phantom_Hoover> and is also not the word i want
22:42:17 <tswett> Is "hispanophone" even a word?
22:42:18 <Bike> wouldn't that mean someone who likes spanglish
22:42:22 <tswett> Yes, it is. In French.
22:42:24 <Phantom_Hoover> yes
22:42:30 <Bike> tswett: seems like the obvious translation of hispanohiblante
22:42:37 <Bike> trans... something
22:42:37 <Phantom_Hoover> hispanophone, maybe
22:42:42 <tswett> Ah, Wiktionary says that the English is "Hispanophone", not "hispanophone".
22:42:42 <Bike> spanish-speaker
22:43:26 <gerardo1> o te entiendo muy bien te estoy respondiendo por el traductor
22:43:44 <tswett> Me parece interesante que la mayoría del mundo hispanohablante está fuera de España...
22:44:21 <gerardo1> vuelvo en un momento ok no te vallas
22:44:45 <tswett> Hasta pronto.
22:45:22 <tswett> Debemos traducir el channel topic en español.
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23:01:49 <Bike> hey can someone explain type synonyms to me
23:02:11 <tswett> A type synonym declaration gives a new name to a type.
23:02:23 <tswett> The new name and the old name are then interchangeable.
23:03:07 <Bike> so if i define foo to be a synonym for [Int], and then call it on an [Int] with no reference to foo or anything, that works?
23:03:30 <tswett> Are we talking about Haskell?
23:03:34 <Bike> yes
23:03:55 <tswett> Well, "foo" wouldn't be a valid type synonym, since it doesn't begin with an uppercase letter.
23:04:04 <Bike> whateer.
23:04:13 <tswett> And I don't know what you mean by "call it on an [Int]". Type synonyms aren't functions; what would it mean to call one?
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23:04:24 <Bike> er, i missed some words.
23:04:33 <Bike> defined a function :: foo -> whatever.
23:05:00 <tswett> That's correct. Foo and [Int] are the same thing, so if the function expects a Foo, you can give it a [Int].
23:05:16 <Bike> k
23:07:31 <gerardo1> holaa
23:07:37 <gerardo1> estas alli
23:07:42 <gerardo1> hello
23:07:44 <tswett> Hola.
23:08:53 <tswett> Tengo ir en un momento.
23:09:01 <Koen_> wow I just found a board game that uses a turing tarpit instead of the usual action points
23:09:30 <gerardo1> quieres mi facebook para que me veas
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23:11:46 <gerardo1> para que me veas si
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23:16:37 <gerardo2> olaaa
23:17:08 <zzo38> Koen_: What game is that? How does it work?
23:17:19 <Koen_> Antike Duellum
23:17:26 <Koen_> basically there are eight possible actions
23:17:40 <Koen_> and you've got a meeple turning around a wheel of the eight possible actions
23:17:54 <Koen_> if you want to turn faster you have to pay
23:18:04 <oerjan> don't tell me it's a bf derivative twnh
23:18:33 <Koen_> no, it's a CONQUEST THE FUCKING MEDITERRANEAN SEA derivative
23:19:54 <oerjan> MARE NOSTRVM
23:20:55 <Koen_> possible actions include collecting gold, collecting iron, collecting marble, and hitting your opponent IN HIS FACE
23:22:42 <zzo38> But that is only four possibilities
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23:26:25 <Koen_> that's what I said 'include'
23:26:28 <Koen_> why
23:28:50 <zzo38> But what is the other four?
23:29:53 <Koen_> build a temple - hit your opponent in the face (again) - build militia - prepare militia to be built in the future
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