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00:06:46 <elliott> https://skillsmatter.com/custom/images/tempbannerhaskell-exchange-670x180px.gif what a good picture
00:06:57 <elliott> xtreme haskell xchange
00:07:20 <Fiora> that banner looks like an anime convention ad O_O
00:08:21 <Bike> elliott, Fiora: http://joshreads.tumblr.com/post/58349908871/
00:08:50 <elliott> haskell is the most anime of programming languages
00:09:02 <elliott> Bike: haha
00:09:29 <Fiora> Bike: oh gosh
00:11:31 <mnoqy> Bike: good
00:12:28 <Bike> http://www.theawl.com/2013/08/i-may-not-harm-jeff-bezos in related news.
00:14:28 <mnoqy> It's Okay To Feel Bad / Jeff Bezos' Robot Butler Tells All / Dale Cooper: Barthes, Bodies, Porn / Will Be Humiliated For Attention / Stoya: Sex, Porn, Feminism, Kitties / Get It Now: The Awl's Weekend Companion
00:14:52 <mnoqy> Patricia Lockwood, "Rape Joke".. what the heck sort of news site is this
00:15:06 <Bike> what kind of person reads news sites nowadays
00:15:12 <Bike> i just get everything """"aggregated"""
00:18:09 <Fiora> Bike: http://xxx.lanl.gov/pdf/astro-ph/0302075.pdf ignoring the total rest of this paper, for some reason the title makes me giggle
00:18:40 <Bike> is this porn
00:18:55 <Bike> los alamos government porn distributor
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00:19:07 <Bike> oh, arxiv. how unfun
00:19:19 <Bike> that's a very... straightforward title.
00:19:32 <Bike> "more mind-numblingly large celestial objects made of irregular materials, i guess"
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00:22:29 <Fiora> wow, the acronyms "third dredge-up (3DUP)"
00:23:30 <Bike> i've been reading psychology. you have no idea how sick i am of initialisms
00:23:43 <Bike> we're talking "potential task (PT)" here
00:23:50 <Fiora> ... what XD
00:24:17 <Bike> they're almost as bad as the military
00:31:04 <Bike> "partial mixing of protons (PMP)"
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00:57:58 <kmc> "that banner looks like an anime convention ad" wow... yes it does
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01:06:57 <Bike> http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-broke-privacy-rules-thousands-of-times-per-year-audit-finds/2013/08/15/3310e554-05ca-11e3-a07f-49ddc7417125_print.html "One in 10 incidents is attributed to a typographical error in which an analyst enters an incorrect query and retrieves data about U.S phone calls or e-mails."
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01:15:10 <Phantom_Hoover> i can believe that, really
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01:21:18 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.cessna.com/citation/longitude
01:21:45 <Phantom_Hoover> i like how this is a webpage designed with the intention of getting you to buy a plane
01:22:16 <kmc> "Generous in size, extravagant in spaciousness"
01:23:10 <kmc> "When science becomes art, anything is possible"
01:23:29 <Phantom_Hoover> "fuck, i can't think of another way of wording 'it's really big', better reach for the thesaurus"
01:23:42 <Phantom_Hoover> kmc, i won't lie, i want one now
01:23:43 <kmc> yupppp
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01:27:39 <kmc> "Piloting the Longitude has been simplified to the level of smartphone or ATM operation"
01:27:53 <kmc> that is terrifying
01:27:56 <kmc> that they would even write that
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01:28:29 <Phantom_Hoover> that just makes me want one even more
01:28:34 <Phantom_Hoover> http://www.cessna.com/~/media/Images/Aircraft/citation/longitude/infographics/img-citat-specs-infograp-long.ashx
01:28:41 <Phantom_Hoover> i mean look! you could go to like...
01:28:42 <Phantom_Hoover> ghan
01:28:43 <Phantom_Hoover> a
01:28:59 <Phantom_Hoover> and take 8 friends!
01:29:08 <kmc> 7 friends unless you are friends with the pilot
01:29:14 <kmc> why is their example airport Sheffield?
01:29:17 <shachaf> who wouldn't be friends with a pilot
01:29:37 <Phantom_Hoover> there's also http://www.cessna.com/single-engine/skyhawk
01:29:59 <Phantom_Hoover> which i wasn't going to link but then i realised that the section titled "THE GATEKEEPER OF AVIATION EXCELLENCE" was actually referring to the doors
01:32:58 <ion> Range: 4000 nanometers?
01:33:42 <ion> Max crusing speed: 490 kilotonneattoseconds?
01:33:56 <ion> i
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01:35:52 <oerjan> kmc: i have this vague memory of seeing a comment that this haskell banner was part of some larger conference or something which chose anime style that year
01:36:09 <Fiora> Bike: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cessna_172#Operational_history okay, this is amazing and insane
01:36:53 <Bike> i feel like there's an easier way to refuel in the air
01:37:14 <Fiora> but doesn't everyone refuel by hovering next to a car?
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01:39:12 <kmc> that is the best
01:39:28 <kmc> not just fuel but also food and water
01:39:37 <kmc> and engine oil
01:40:14 <Phantom_Hoover> " Early in the flight, the engine-driven electric generator failed. A Champion wind-driven generator (turned by a small propeller) was hoisted aboard, taped to the wing support strut, and plugged into the cigarette lighter socket; it served as the aircraft's source of electricity for the rest of the flight. "
01:41:46 <kmc> it's a little weird that the "Operational history" section is entirely about that one flight
01:41:56 <kmc> since this is the article about the most produced aircraft in history
01:42:03 <kmc> over 43,000
01:42:21 <Phantom_Hoover> maybe it's to deflect your attention from the fact that it's a completely inadequate operational history
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01:52:24 <^v> what operational history
01:52:33 <^v> i dont see anything that is operational
01:53:52 <kmc> what about denotational history
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03:16:25 <shachaf> ion: Yay, I unlocked the Zoltan Cruiser.
03:19:49 <ion> whee
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03:33:37 <shachaf> ion: Hmm, it doesn't seem so great.
03:33:54 <shachaf> That's what I get for the whole peace thing, I suppose.
03:37:53 <ion> One of the Zoltan cruisers is rather nice IIRC
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03:59:53 <Gracenotes> the best part of non-English-subtitled English language musical comedy is the explanation of puns in parentheses.
04:00:20 <Gracenotes> which, for romance languages, are somewhat intelligible for exclusive anglophones.
04:05:55 <Bike> i don't get why you'd explain puns in translation notes. nobody's going to laugh.
04:06:14 <kmc> puns aren't for laughing they're for groaning
04:06:38 <shachaf> homegroan puns
04:06:51 <CADD> im sure at least one person has laughed thanks to the translation
04:07:03 <kmc> shachaf: yeah like that
04:07:23 <Gracenotes> imho, the printing press killed puns
04:07:41 <Gracenotes> they used to be a very high form of humor, a show of intelligence.
04:07:42 <ion> imo, fun puns do not exist.
04:08:08 <CADD> i thought wit was higher?
04:08:18 <Gracenotes> they were used in many contexts, not just jokes: speeches, legal proceedings, etc.
04:08:35 <shachaf> imo, wbuna xvivavrzv do not exist
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04:08:50 <Gracenotes> wit is to do with the source of your humor, assuming it's good.
04:09:07 <oerjan> `r13 wbuna xvivavrzv
04:09:08 <tswett> Imo, nontrivial zeros of the Riemann zeta function that do not lie on the critical line don't exist. Ymmv.
04:09:35 * oerjan gently prods HackEgo
04:09:38 <HackEgo> No output.
04:09:45 <oerjan> `r13 wbuna xvivavrzv
04:09:51 <shachaf> oerjan: it's an omen hth
04:10:08 <tswett> Jub gur urpx vf Wbuna Xvivavrzv?
04:10:08 <oerjan> admittedly it might simply be because the command is wrong
04:10:11 <oerjan> `echo hi
04:10:13 <HackEgo> hi
04:10:16 <HackEgo> No output.
04:10:21 <oerjan> `which r13
04:10:22 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/r13
04:10:28 <shachaf> @yarr 13
04:10:29 <lambdabot> Har de har har!
04:10:39 <shachaf> eqee
04:10:44 <tswett> @rot13
04:10:44 <lambdabot> Unknown command, try @list
04:10:45 <oerjan> `run echo wbuna xvivavrzv | r13
04:10:46 <HackEgo> johan kiviniemi
04:11:09 <shachaf> anticlimactic
04:11:37 <ion> rot13ing this is nagvpyvznpgvp
04:12:16 <oerjan> `which rot13
04:12:17 <HackEgo> ​/hackenv/bin/rot13
04:12:30 <oerjan> `rot13 Jub gur urpx vf Wbuna Xvivavrzv?
04:12:31 <HackEgo> Who the heck is Johan Kiviniemi?
04:13:20 <oerjan> `rot13 ymmv
04:13:21 <HackEgo> lzzi
04:14:31 <tswett> Xraagb wnyr̀e lbeh cnqre.
04:14:53 <oerjan> `rot13 Xraagb wnyr̀e lbeh cnqre.
04:14:55 <HackEgo> Kennto jalèr yoru pader.
04:14:58 <Gracenotes> anyway, you may be interested to know that the groan is a recent phenomenon (last century or so)
04:15:33 <tswett> It looks like some type of language. Reminds me of... Irish, maybe? Though only vaguely.
04:15:59 <tswett> "Yoru pader" sounds kind of like English. Or maybe "pader" is from Latin.
04:16:12 <Gracenotes> also, interesting. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groans_of_the_Britons
04:16:39 <Gracenotes> the british isles have a quite interesting history in roman times.
04:16:41 <tswett> And "kennto"... doesn't that have sort of a... I'm not sure what, exactly. A Celtic feel or something? Or British, or what.
04:16:49 <tswett> "Jalèr" looks like French, though.
04:16:51 <Bike> nobody likes ancient british history :(
04:16:53 <Gracenotes> then there were kings and stuff... boring, you know...
04:17:26 <oerjan> tswett: are you trying to analyze what _you_ wrote?
04:17:36 <tswett> oerjan: yeah! What language is this?
04:18:07 <tswett> It looks like it's probably a European language, doesn't it? Like, I definitely don't think I'd say it looks like any particular non-European language.
04:18:36 <tswett> I mean, it doesn't look entirely unlike Vietnamese, from the very very little I know of Vietnamese.
04:18:41 <oerjan> it's like, you don't know what you yourself wrote, like?
04:18:53 <tswett> I know exactly what it means; I'm just pretending I don't.
04:19:33 <tswett> "Yoru pader" just really sounds a lot like "your father". Maybe it's some weird variant of English or something. Like English turned into... something else.
04:19:59 <oerjan> O KAY
04:20:50 <tswett> Google Translate says that "kennto" looks like Finnish and "jalèr" looks like Spanish.
04:21:38 <tswett> The sentence *kind* of looks like it could be Finnish. Like, it doesn't use any letters not used in Finnish, apart from è, does it? But it doesn't actually look like Finnish at all.
04:21:51 <Gracenotes> it's pretty impressive that `rot13 is i18n, actually.
04:22:32 <tswett> Gracenotes: that it successfully converted r̀ to è? I'm not that impressed; that's just an ASCII English letter followed by a combining diacritic.
04:24:11 <Gracenotes> oh, it's not its own unicode character
04:24:39 <Gracenotes> :/ hm, my irssi doesn't like your characters
04:25:29 <Bike> "The similarities between man and computer cannot be ignored, computers are essentially biological systems with a transistor." why do i do this to myself, help
04:26:08 <kmc> what
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04:26:14 <kmc> where
04:26:27 * sub_space licks ion - no particular reason
04:26:32 <Bike> the land of the dead
04:26:35 <elliott> `pastelogs 0x00.me
04:26:43 <sub_space> elliott: muhahahha
04:27:08 <elliott> ion: do you know this person? giving that this isn't the first time
04:27:18 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.29853
04:27:46 <elliott> eh
04:27:48 <sub_space> elliott: we are friends from the n(th) dimension.
04:28:00 <sub_space> ion: tell elliott
04:28:17 <Bike> sub_space: hey why is 0x00.me an uncredited comic in shitty jpg form.
04:29:03 <sub_space> Bike: zoidberg
04:29:20 <elliott> ok well I'm literally sick of you already.
04:29:22 <Bike> it's pretty rude to use someone's art without crediting them.
04:29:25 <sub_space> ;[
04:29:43 * sub_space holds elliott's hair
04:30:00 <oerjan> ion: i am pretty sure elliott will ban sub_space if you don't confirm you know him - nah it won't help anyway.
04:30:12 <sub_space> who cares?
04:30:17 <elliott> plz cease with the unsolicited physical contact
04:30:20 <elliott> me
04:30:29 <mnoqy> `relcome sub_space
04:30:31 <HackEgo> sub_space: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
04:30:34 <sub_space> tnx mnoqy
04:30:39 <sub_space> :-*
04:31:04 <kmc> i like the comic tho
04:31:12 <elliott> actually if ion said he knows you and doesn't mind you joining just to lick you twice then I would be ok but everything you have said since has progressively decreased my confidence in you
04:31:13 <sub_space> where's lambdabot:?: :(
04:31:24 <kmc> not here
04:31:34 <elliott> lambdabot is right here...
04:31:43 <Bike> kmc: yeah, it's from a webcomic called subnormality.
04:32:00 <mnoqy> it seems a bit what's the word
04:32:02 <kmc> yeah
04:32:05 <kmc> subnormality is cool
04:32:06 <mnoqy> i;ll leave it at that
04:32:13 <oerjan> mnoqy: subnormal?
04:32:20 <mnoqy> no not that word
04:32:21 <elliott> subnormality is fantastic
04:32:36 <elliott> (a lot of the time)
04:33:11 <CADD> > putStrLn "I'm here"
04:33:12 <lambdabot> <IO ()>
04:35:04 <kmc> :D
04:37:09 <elliott> sub_space: what are your intentions as to your presence in this channel
04:37:32 <sub_space> elliott: hrm.. that's deep.
04:38:20 <mnoqy> remember when i was new and the first thing i got asked is what my business here was? how times have changed
04:38:32 <elliott> actually it simplifies down to "do you intend to do anything but join and lick ion and then be alternately vague or creepy in response to any questions"
04:38:41 <CADD> i got the same question too.. ;)
04:38:43 <elliott> which is pretty shallow, as questions go
04:38:51 <CADD> lol
04:39:02 <oerjan> mnoqy: what _is_ your business here, anyway
04:39:17 <mnoqy> i think i dodged the question back then too
04:39:27 <mnoqy> said something like my business is usually idling
04:39:28 <CADD> i think everyone does..
04:39:45 <sub_space> elliott: yes, but time will tell. i do not intent to intentionally create any friction between users.
04:39:54 <sub_space> indend *
04:39:59 <sub_space> :D
04:40:11 <oerjan> good correction imo
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04:44:17 <sub_space> elliott: why do you use anything but'
04:44:28 <sub_space> with 'and then'
04:44:30 <sub_space> ?
04:46:34 <oerjan> sub_space: how many fingers am i holding up?
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04:49:29 <sub_space> oerjan: (n-m)
04:49:48 <sub_space> fingers
04:50:00 <sub_space> of type fingers
04:50:19 <CADD> in universe hand
04:50:27 <oerjan> i see you are covering all bases
04:50:27 <sub_space> for each subset of universe
04:51:30 <oerjan> fungot: do you have any comment on the issue?
04:51:30 <fungot> oerjan: is something wrong? want me to leave? i don't wanna hear it! c'mon, let's go and see the headlines in the middle of nowhere?
04:51:45 <oerjan> fungot: no, no!
04:51:45 <fungot> oerjan: but, i'm expecting a good long look at the two levers up and the planet... i don't know what time it wasn't that difficult.
04:53:04 <sub_space> love me. love me. just say that you love me.
04:56:19 <oerjan> fungot: you do the loving bit, you're better at it than me.
04:56:20 <fungot> oerjan: there he is literally miles away from the mako reactor countinues to suck up all the townspeople? no way we could see each other?
04:56:55 <oerjan> fungot: well i cannot see him either.
04:56:56 <fungot> oerjan: well, have special powers to their fullest... there goes the pillar, right? i hope he doesn't get hurt.
04:59:05 <sub_space> fungot: speak earn your treats.
04:59:05 <fungot> sub_space: hey? aren't i the same ' ol me. my feelings.
04:59:28 <sub_space> fungot: speak | earn your treats. (*)
04:59:28 <fungot> sub_space: dyne didn't care who anyone was...... we will, and put him to say this to you?
05:00:43 <sub_space> i suppose. if it's absolutely necessary and can not be avoided by assuming an inverse relationship
05:00:59 * sub_space dances with fungot
05:01:00 <fungot> sub_space: where did i make a drink just as long as we did it! i'm comin' with me!
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05:03:25 <sub_space> fungot: why m?
05:03:26 <fungot> sub_space: remember, the huge materia. this part is broken....
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05:04:20 <shachaf> help what s going on
05:04:25 <mnoqy> bad
05:04:25 <shachaf> is this channel under attack
05:04:28 <mnoqy> yes
05:04:30 <sub_space> ;[
05:04:32 <^v> o_o
05:04:34 <mnoqy> hey shachaf did you see the thing
05:04:38 <mnoqy> the tonight thing
05:04:39 * ^v sould have joined erlier
05:04:42 <shachaf> how do i fix it
05:04:43 <kmc> hi
05:04:45 <shachaf> mnoqy: no!!
05:04:48 <shachaf> did you list the list
05:04:50 <mnoqy> it's good i recommend seeing it
05:04:57 <shachaf> imo list the list
05:05:01 <mnoqy> `list
05:05:05 <shachaf> no
05:05:05 <HackEgo> ais523 atriq Bike boily cuttlefish elliott fgrep Fiora fungot HackEgo metasepia mnoqy monqy Ngevd nortti oklopol Phantom_Hoover pikhq quintopia Sgeo SgeoBot SUPREME_BUTT_SUI Taneb
05:05:07 <shachaf> it's smlist
05:05:20 <shachaf> do it mnoqy
05:05:28 <mnoqy> `smlist
05:05:29 <HackEgo> smlist: shachaf monqy elliott mnoqy
05:05:30 <mnoqy> like that??
05:05:32 <shachaf> yay
05:05:44 <shachaf> for """"extra credit' you can give a number
05:05:52 <shachaf> but no need
05:06:36 <shachaf> oh
05:06:44 <shachaf> it's like a sequel of the last one
05:06:47 <shachaf> good
05:06:59 <shachaf> thanks for the recommnoqydation
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05:24:05 <shachaf> kmc: I'm annoyed by the #haskell sentiment that if something is hard to do in Haskell then it isn't worth doing.
05:24:16 <shachaf> (Hard in Haskell and easy in another language.)
05:25:43 <CADD> shachaf: what? no mutable variables? how will i ever be able to do anything?!
05:25:44 <sub_space> i need a teacher.
05:26:02 <CADD> shachaf: funny that in most cases the haskell code is shorter and easier to read.. :)
05:26:06 <sub_space> elliott: teach me.
05:26:12 <sub_space> elliott: i will give you .. things
05:26:26 <CADD> sub_space: thats very vague...
05:27:05 <sub_space> CADD: so?
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05:27:23 <CADD> sub_space: teach... what?
05:28:08 <sub_space> hrm.
05:28:45 <sub_space> CADD: how to appreciate
05:28:58 <sub_space> that teaching plz.
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05:29:27 <CADD> sub_space: that was a sentence fragment.. please speak in proper sentences..
05:29:29 <sub_space> wb Bike
05:31:13 <sub_space> CADD: please explain to elliott that I would like to present an opportunity to exchange 'things' for lessons in appreciation.
05:31:43 <CADD> sub_space: you can do it yourself. elaborate on "things"//
05:33:33 <sub_space> CADD: i can but i would like to share because it makes me feel alive. things - flowpaths from which one may benefit
05:33:49 <sub_space> alive for alive.
05:34:27 <kmc> things://
05:35:00 <CADD> hehe things://idkwhatimdoing.blogspot.com
05:35:17 <CADD> new ip protocol. i call dibs
05:35:37 <sub_space> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_uFIb3pXqg
05:36:14 <sub_space> has anyone figured out how to shake hands with the sun?
05:36:27 <sub_space> (speaking of protocols and all that shit)
05:50:12 <^v> it requires a SHA65536 implementation
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05:53:06 <CADD> ^v: and LOLCODE instead of javascript
05:54:03 <kmc> is that like 4096-bit XAES
05:56:24 <kmc> it's useful to have hash functions with big outputs (e.g. for RSASSA-PSS signatures) but usually one concatenates SHA(0 || message), SHA(1 || message), SHA(2 || message), etc. until one has enough bits
05:56:28 <kmc> i think
05:57:13 <sub_space> what is the width of enough_bits ?
05:57:22 <shachaf> isn't xaes 4048-bit
05:57:52 <shachaf> kmc: Is that what one actually does? I've never heard of it.
05:57:58 <kmc> sub_space: you need a value the same size as the RSA modulus, so probably 2048 or 4096 bits
05:58:20 <sub_space> kmc: but everyone is using ecc :'(
05:58:24 * sub_space hates being so poor
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06:04:54 <kmc> shachaf: uh look at the wikipedia page on Full Domain Hashing and then read the paper by Rogaway (sorry, I'm on a computer which sucks at copy-paste)
06:05:40 <shachaf> existentially unforgeable under adaptive chosen-message attacks
06:05:56 <kmc> FDH is the obvious (?) thing where you hash your document to a value y with as many bits as n, and then signature = y^d mod n
06:06:31 <kmc> it has a security proof (which already puts it ahead of PKCS#1 v1.5) but it's not as good as the security theorem for PSS, which is a more complicated scheme that involves randomness
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06:15:31 <Gracenotes> interesting that there's an anti-Lang Lang backlash now
06:15:45 <Gracenotes> or it's slightly more visible
06:18:32 <kmc> what's that
06:20:24 <shachaf> Lang_Lang_(pianist)?
06:21:28 <coppro> lang lang?
06:22:00 <shachaf> Oh, http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/woof.html is the program I was looking for a while ago.
06:25:11 <sub_space> shachaf: YAY!
06:28:24 <shachaf> sub_space: What are you doing here?
06:30:56 <sub_space> shachaf: eating
06:31:00 <sub_space> shachaf: u?
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06:35:38 <Gracenotes> si, piano player
06:36:30 <consume> nice nice
06:36:32 <consume> very nice
06:37:44 <Gracenotes> ug, microsoft, won't you stop paying people to promote your products without disclosing it? it's creeping us out.
06:38:21 <Gracenotes> </nobias>
06:38:39 * consume needs to replenish energy
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06:44:07 <Gracenotes> </actuallybiastho>
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07:09:46 <kmc> "Google Street View driver detained by villagers in Thailand on suspicion of spying" well
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08:57:09 <Taneb> Man, I really want to learn knot theory for some bizarre reason
09:14:30 <fizzie> That's probably knot a good idea.
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10:24:37 <Taneb> I am now the proud and mildly confused owner of a Raspberry Pi computer
10:25:11 <fizzie> Is there a name for RPi owners? Like, you know, there's bronies and so on.
10:25:33 <fizzie> Perhaps "raspies".
10:26:08 <fizzie> "raspy: Slutty. Has a lot of sex." (Urban Dictionary)
10:26:11 <fizzie> Well, perhaps not.
10:31:02 <Taneb> I have no way to connect it to a display, though
10:31:56 <Phantom_Hoover> it's a curse, man
10:31:58 <Phantom_Hoover> a curse
10:32:23 <Phantom_Hoover> at best you use it as a media centre
10:35:58 <fizzie> It doesn't really need a display.
10:36:30 <fizzie> I don't think the Pi is a terribly good media box, either.
10:37:51 <Phantom_Hoover> sure, but you can never think of a better use
10:39:17 <fizzie> I've had one use already, and I've only had it less than a year. That's not such a bad hit rate.
10:43:29 <Taneb> I'd probably be able to think of more uses if I had a HDMI cable
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10:50:53 <fizzie> That sounds quite unlikely.
10:52:07 <AnotherTest> Hi
10:52:12 <Taneb> Hi, AnotherTest
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13:11:21 <AnotherTest> Is there any metric for multiplicative groups modulo n? Can such a metric exist?
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13:12:12 <boily> good /dev/pts morning!
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13:13:09 <AnotherTest> helloily
13:13:29 <boily> Anothello.
13:13:54 <AnotherTest> Oh you just missed the question
13:13:56 <AnotherTest> Is there any metric for multiplicative groups modulo n? Can such a metric exist?
13:14:10 <boily> ~duck metrick
13:14:10 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
13:14:12 <boily> ~duck metric
13:14:13 <metasepia> metric definition: '''plural''' a part of prosody that deals with metrical structure.
13:14:19 <boily> ~duck modulo
13:14:19 <metasepia> modulo definition: with respect to a modulus of.
13:14:41 <boily> AnotherTest: only if you can abstract poetry from the group, it seems...
13:14:49 <fizzie> Metricks are the metrics used in magick.
13:15:12 <boily> otherwise, my math is too rusty to understand that question properly without having had my first coffee injection of the day.
13:15:57 <boily> fizzie: sckary.
13:19:27 <Jafet> d(x,x) = 0; d(x,y) = 1
13:21:16 <AnotherTest> Well... and preferably not the discrete one
13:22:38 <Jafet> d(x,y) = |x-y|
13:23:43 <AnotherTest> ok my question wasn't right
13:24:34 <boily> is the concept of distance generalisable to matrices?
13:24:36 <Jafet> You found the answer.
13:27:36 <AnotherTest> Jafet: I was actually trying to say: g^i = a mod n and g^j = b mod n; can you have a metric so that d(i, j) = d(a, b)
13:28:02 <AnotherTest> or can you say have an operation < so that i < j => a < b
13:28:44 <Bike> boily: sure, there are metrics on linear operators
13:29:24 <Bike> AnotherTest: is that for any g
13:29:31 <boily> Bike: oh.
13:30:23 <AnotherTest> Bike: if that is possible, yes
13:30:43 <Bike> like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operator_norm
13:32:11 <Bike> AnotherTest: well, consider g = 1, for a start
13:32:23 * boily is squicked and fascinated by the perversity and elegance of an operator norm
13:32:35 <AnotherTest> Bike: well g = 1 isn't very interesting due to the fact that all the elements will be 1
13:32:40 <Bike> yes.
13:32:44 <Bike> so forall g isn't going to work.
13:32:52 <AnotherTest> what about g = 2
13:33:04 <AnotherTest> or well g > 2
13:33:11 <AnotherTest> * >=
13:33:40 <Bike> probably there's a problem in that those are periodic, with different periods for different g.
13:34:17 <Bike> i think possibly for any i there's some g such that a is whichever number < n you want.
13:36:05 <AnotherTest> well if g is a prime, the group is cyclic
13:36:36 <Bike> yes.
13:36:49 <boily> Roujo: helloujo. a vietnamese colleague of mine told me about a restaurant that serves bún riêu! http://www.urbanspoon.com/r/67/1681559/restaurant/Saint-douard/Bun-Viet-Montreal
13:37:38 <Bike> well, i guess you can define a norm for any vector space, probably, so the question is whether you actually have a vector space
13:39:00 <Jafet> > do let { n = 5; lt f = (<) `on` (fromJust . (`elemIndex` f)) }; f <- permutations [1..n-1]; guard $ and [ lt f (g^i `mod` n) (g^j `mod` n) || not (lt f i j) | i <- [0..n-2], j <- [0..n-2]; let {g = 2} ]; return f
13:39:02 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:188: parse error on input `;'
13:39:18 <Jafet> > do let { n = 5; lt f = (<) `on` (fromJust . (`elemIndex` f)) } f <- permutations [1..n-1]; guard $ and [ lt f (g^i `mod` n) (g^j `mod` n) || not (lt f i j) | i <- [0..n-2], j <- [0..n-2]; let {g = 2} ]; return f
13:39:18 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:64: parse error on input `f'
13:39:22 <Bike> that's deep.
13:40:05 <boily> lambdabot is impersonating my own bot this morning...
13:41:09 <Jafet> > do let { n = 5; lt f = (<) `on` (fromJust . (`elemIndex` f)); }; f <- permutations [0..n-1]; guard $ and [ lt f (g^i `mod` n) (g^j `mod` n) || not (lt f i j) | g <- [2], i <- [0..n-2], j <- [0..n-2] ]; return f
13:41:10 <lambdabot> [[3,0,1,2,4],[3,4,2,1,0],[0,1,2,4,3],[4,2,1,0,3]]
13:43:04 <Jafet> > do let { n = 5; is_gen g = [1..n-1] == sort (map (g^) [0..n-2]); lt f = (<) `on` (fromJust . (`elemIndex` f)); }; f <- permutations [0..n-1]; guard $ and [ lt f (g^i `mod` n) (g^j `mod` n) || not (lt f i j) | g <- filter is_gen [2..n-1], i <- [0..n-2], j <- [0..n-2] ]; return f
13:43:05 <lambdabot> [[0,1,2,3,4],[1,0,2,3,4],[2,1,0,3,4],[1,2,0,3,4],[2,0,1,3,4],[0,2,1,3,4],[3...
13:44:24 <Jafet> > do let { n = 5; is_gen g = [1..n-1] == sort (map ((`mod`n).(g^)) [0..n-2]); lt f = (<) `on` (fromJust . (`elemIndex` f)); }; f <- permutations [0..n-1]; guard $ and [ lt f (g^i `mod` n) (g^j `mod` n) || not (lt f i j) | g <- filter is_gen [2..n-1], i <- [0..n-2], j <- [0..n-2] ]; return f
13:44:25 <lambdabot> []
13:44:40 <Bike> v. informative series of letters, numbers, and symbols
13:45:51 <Jafet> > do n <- [2..]; let { is_gen g = [1..n-1] == sort (map ((`mod`n).(g^)) [0..n-2]); lt f = (<) `on` (fromJust . (`elemIndex` f)); }; g <- filter is_gen [2..n-1]; f <- permutations [0..n-1]; guard $ and [ lt f (g^i `mod` n) (g^j `mod` n) || not (lt f i j) | i <- [0..n-2], j <- [0..n-2] ]; return (n,g,f)
13:45:53 <lambdabot> [(3,2,[0,1,2]),(3,2,[2,1,0]),(5,2,[3,0,1,2,4]),(5,2,[3,4,2,1,0]),(5,2,[0,1,...
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13:47:32 <Jafet> Hm, some groups are missing
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14:02:13 <Bike> yeah looks like i was wrong.
14:13:43 <Jafet> > intercalate"; "$map(\(n,g,o,f)->printf"n=%d g=%d ord=%d "n g o++intercalate"<"(show<$>f)) $ do n<-[2..]; let{ a**b=mod(a*b)n; gen g=map head.group.sort.take n$iterate(g**)g; is_gen=elem 1.gen; lt f=(<)`on`(fromJust.(`elemIndex`f)); }; g<-filter is_gen [2..n-1]; let{ o=length$gen g; gg=take o$iterate(**g)1 }; f<-permutations$union[0..o-1]gg; guard $ and [ lt f a b || not (lt f i j) | ((i,a),(j,b)) <- liftM2(,)`join`zip[0..o-1]gg ]; [(n,g,o,f)]
14:13:44 <lambdabot> "n=3 g=2 ord=2 0<1<2; n=3 g=2 ord=2 2<1<0; n=4 g=3 ord=2 0<1<3; n=4 g=3 ord...
14:17:23 -!- nortti has changed nick to snortti.
14:17:39 -!- snortti has changed nick to nortti.
14:20:47 <boily> ~duck snortti
14:20:47 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
14:20:50 <boily> `? snortti
14:20:55 <HackEgo> snortti? ¯\(°_o)/¯
14:20:55 <myndzi> |
14:20:55 <myndzi> º¯`\o
14:22:03 <nortti> boily: 17:17 < shikhin> ``Rule III: Treat favorably that with a leading S character;'' 17:17 -!- You're now known as snortti
14:22:42 <boily> nortti: logical. that means I must favour shachaf now.
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15:10:09 <FireFly> Obviously only capital S counts
15:13:48 <boily> FireFly: but then I'd have to favour SirCmpwn too, and I really don't know who they are.
15:14:16 <boily> shachaf is familiar. I know how to respond to shachaferisms.
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15:16:23 <boily> and then you have the multiple sebbues corner case.
15:16:33 <boily> (yes, I feel like complaining today. I'm hungry.)
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15:34:44 <boily> `relcome nycs
15:34:47 <HackEgo> nycs: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
15:35:26 <nycs> are u hitting on me..?
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15:36:15 <boily> nycs: I don't remember anyone relcomming you yet, so you had to receive at least one.
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15:36:35 <`^_^v> thanks
15:37:12 <boily> oh. you were `^_^v in disguise!
15:37:29 <boily> should have checked the joins and parts better.
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16:10:34 <ion> elliott: I don’t recognize sub_space.
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16:19:47 <mnoqy> secret admirer?? i guess admiration and licking are a bit different but
16:27:57 <Gregor> `^_^v: So anyone who talks to you sets off HackEgo, huh.
16:27:58 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: ^_^v:: not found
16:30:41 <`^_^v> check your cisprivilege
16:31:55 <Gregor> You mean botprefixprivilege, surely.
16:46:11 <Phantom_Hoover> `run echo "#!/bin/sh" >> bin/^_^v
16:46:14 <HackEgo> No output.
16:46:20 <Phantom_Hoover> `run echo "echo No comment." >> bin/^_^v
16:46:23 <HackEgo> No output.
16:46:25 <Phantom_Hoover> `^_^v
16:46:27 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /hackenv/bin/^_^v: Permission denied \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /hackenv/bin/^_^v: cannot execute: Permission denied
16:46:39 <Phantom_Hoover> `chmod +x bin/^_^v
16:46:41 <HackEgo> chmod: missing operand after `+x bin/^_^v' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information.
16:49:53 <`^_^v> `chmod a+x bin/^_^v
16:49:54 <HackEgo> chmod: missing operand after `a+x bin/^_^v' \ Try `chmod --help' for more information.
16:52:37 <Gracenotes> I like that GMail was able to successfully classify mail from my university's alumni association into the Promotions tab
17:03:03 <Bike> haha, nice
17:17:33 <boily> I'm ashamed of myself. I'm stuck with “I'm blue, dabedidabeda...” playing in a loop in my head.
17:18:22 <olsner> thanks a lot boily
17:20:02 <boily> well, that was an horribly gone right attempt at swapping get lucky out of my brain.
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17:31:28 <boily> aaaaurgh. I guess I'll have to bring the heavy artillery on: http://youtu.be/CfJ37G2_l9w
17:31:30 <^v> boily, FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
17:33:25 * boily puts his cat ears on and whistles innocently
17:40:53 * ^v puts on his thorns and rages hatefully
17:42:32 <boily> ^v: enjoy the myon. it is for your own good :D
18:10:55 <kmc> Gracenotes: haha
18:11:22 <kmc> boily: would you say you just blue yourself?
18:12:39 * boily swats kmc with a sharpened cat paw
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18:19:51 * Roujo swats S.W.A.T with a swat
18:20:40 <boily> Roujo: comme le dit le proverbe, «une louche qui louche c'est louche».
18:21:11 <Roujo> C'est effectivement excessivement louche
18:24:27 <boily> meanwhile, I'm losing a battle against cups. why must printing be so fscking complex.
18:29:20 <elliott> ion: what about `0x00? (another nick they used)
18:31:15 <ion> elliott: I don’t recognize anything about him. I looked up his alleged real name and don’t recognize that either.
18:32:34 <elliott> ion: ok, thanks. then I'm comfortable doing this
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18:33:27 <Roujo> >_>
18:33:29 <Roujo> <_<
18:33:31 <Roujo> Who's that?
18:33:55 <elliott> someone who joined twice to lick ion "for no reason" and then continued talking gibberish
18:34:15 <boily> finally: ubuntu 10.10 in virtualbox works. damn cups and its removal of detecting network printers.
18:34:18 <Roujo> To lick ion?
18:34:21 <Roujo> That's... odd
18:34:33 <elliott> I guess ion is just very lickable.
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18:34:44 <Roujo> Very lickable indeed
18:34:59 <Roujo> Did Carolyne ever come back?
18:36:24 <boily> why would someone lick ion? aren't they at risk of an electric shock?
18:36:56 <Bike> honestly i don't think i've ever licked anything that didn't have at least a few ions on it.
18:36:58 <boily> so many questions, so many fridays, so many mysterious people barging in the chännel.
18:37:30 <boily> Bike: you're a bike. you're insulated against ions' adverse effects.
18:37:43 <Roujo> Sö mänÿ trémäs, töö
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18:38:12 <shachaf> S̈ö m̈än̈ÿ.
18:38:54 <Bike> good point
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18:47:44 <kmc> "9 Household Items That Could Be Spying on You" #actualhuffpolisticles
18:48:28 <Bike_> polisticles??
18:48:30 -!- Bike_ has changed nick to Bike.
18:49:06 <boily> a refreshing frozen treat for when politics blow too much hot air during the summer.
18:49:33 <elliott> "listicle" just makes me think of "testicle" :/
18:50:46 <boily> ...........................elliott
18:50:53 <Bike> well, that's why i was asking.
18:59:06 <Roujo> Politesticles
18:59:10 <Roujo> Polite testicles
18:59:26 <Roujo> Poor light testicles
18:59:35 <boily> please don't bring Canadian politics to this channel. it could degenerate rapidly, eh.
18:59:37 <Roujo> Pour lite testicles
19:00:06 <Roujo> Pauline Marois, eh?
19:00:08 * Roujo dodges
19:00:14 <Roujo> BUS TIME
19:00:41 <boily> tu t'en sauveras pas de même, mon espèce de fin finaud!
19:01:04 <boily> (translation: don't you dare escape that, you sleazy fiend)
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19:27:08 <boily> `pastequotes
19:27:13 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.4179
19:29:05 <fizzie> Huh. Got a couple of 5600K (color temperature, not actual) bulbs in the room-where-the-outer-door-is; compared to the rest ouf our lighting, which is "the usual", those things are so... so white.
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