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00:03:56 <shachaf> kmc: lots of things going on
00:03:59 <shachaf> it's fun
00:04:12 <kmc> cool
00:06:04 <copumpkin> omg shachaf turned into One Of Them
00:06:12 <kmc> omg a wild copumpkin appeared
00:06:17 * copumpkin hides
00:06:23 <kmc> it's super effective
00:06:38 <oerjan> no it's not i still see it
00:06:40 <copumpkin> :)
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00:11:05 <zzo38> List of some DD spells/psionics I made up on this paper includes: Invisibility to Humans, Kjugobe's Fast Growth, Kjugobe's Timer, Kjugobe's Notification, Kjugobe's Super Mind Blast, Kjugobe's Rewind, (some spells are named after their inventor, and so are many of these ones)
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00:13:16 <shachaf> copumpkin: zomg
00:13:51 <zzo38> Do you have another idea too?
00:24:19 <oerjan> Kjugobe's Hovering Bubble
00:25:01 <zzo38> Which does what?
00:25:12 <Bike> hover
00:25:45 <oerjan> well it allows you to float in the air, i think it will combine nicely with Invisibility to Humans.
00:26:12 <oerjan> not recommended in strong winds.
00:27:03 <oerjan> carry capacity may depend on success roll.
00:27:33 <elliott> scoofy: you could say? :P
00:27:35 <zzo38> O, so that's how it would work.
00:28:12 <zzo38> Where in the air will you float and what is the affect of others on it?
00:28:45 <scoofy> elliott: been lurking around for a while
00:28:58 <Phantom_Hoover> `relcome scoofy
00:29:00 <HackEgo> scoofy: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
00:29:06 <oerjan> well you can guide it in all directions to some extent, but as mentioned it's sensitive to wind.
00:29:24 <oerjan> i suppose archers might affect it *POOF*
00:30:44 <zzo38> OK
00:31:08 <oerjan> and other sharp weapons, but they have to reach the bubble
00:32:01 <zzo38> What if someone inside, attacks outward or touches things outward?
00:32:32 <oerjan> hm i guess sharp weapons can also break it from inside.
00:33:09 <oerjan> it might be slightly elastic. like a thick balloon.
00:33:23 <zzo38> O, so that's how you cancel it.
00:36:09 <zzo38> But what if whoever inside try to touch objects on the outside?
00:39:00 <oerjan> it behaves like a solid elastic surface which tries to keep its initial shape and size. it is somewhat elastic, but you cannot pass through it without breaking it.
00:40:12 <oerjan> although spells can be cast through it.
00:40:34 <Jafet> You mean like http://gallery.burrowowl.net/images/0b/0bfdee42fb4c8a63c76fc1a5545de201
00:41:04 <oerjan> no hth
00:41:18 <oerjan> i am imagining it to be spherical by default.
00:41:38 <doesthiswork> what strange french acronym is hth?
00:41:42 <oerjan> also transparent.
00:41:56 <oerjan> doesthiswork: i never said the acronyms should be french, sheesh
00:43:32 <oerjan> basically it should look like a large soap bubble but be less fragile. i think maybe soap might be a material component of the spell.
00:44:13 <Jafet> hth is not an acronym, hth
00:44:25 <Jafet> Well, maybe it is in french.
00:44:46 <oerjan> in french it is inaudible as all the letters are silent hth
00:46:15 <zzo38> You say spells can cast through it. I suppose certainly magical abilities such as mind blast, telepathy, illusions, mage hand, etc can work through it, but what about such physical effect of magical spells, such as magic missile, fire balls, force cage, etc?
00:49:06 <oerjan> hm i guess physically destructive spells shouldn't.
00:50:36 <zzo38> I suppose physically destructive spells would break it and then still work, maybe. Is that what you were thinking of?
00:50:43 <oerjan> yeah
00:51:43 <oerjan> it's not meant to be good for combat, more like for escape or transportation.
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00:58:09 <Sgeo> I need to learn to trust mouse wheels again
00:58:24 <Sgeo> After my months of betrayal by them
01:00:19 <Phantom_Hoover> `quote toilet
01:00:21 <HackEgo> 104) <oerjan> alise: mainly it's the fact it blows so hard i cannot avoid hitting the walls of the thing, which completely goes against my basic public toilet hygiene principles \ 380) * Sgeo mutters about broken toilets <Sgeo> #toilet is useless <monqy> is #toilet even a thing <Sgeo> I'm looking for help with toilets \ 381) <Sgeo> Dear eHow: Pl
01:00:35 <mnoqy> `quote eHow
01:00:37 <HackEgo> 78) <Warrigal> I seem to think of coaxial cables as being omnipotent somehow. \ 381) <Sgeo> Dear eHow: Please don't assume that my toilet works like that <Sgeo> Or, at least, my toilet looks different \ 599) <Ngevd> Somehow I managed to read Haskell as Befunge \ 1084) <Phantom_Hoover> my emergency contacts list somehow has my father listed in both
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01:11:22 * oerjan suddenly realizes how much weirder 104 looks without context
01:12:37 <oerjan> (it was about the Dyson Airblade drier)
01:12:51 <elliott> pretty sure that's why it was added
01:13:18 <oerjan> OKAY
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01:14:01 <oerjan> i was previously assuming it was weird enough even with context
01:14:49 <oerjan> `run quote toilet | tail -c 400
01:14:50 <HackEgo> r back? yeah... it adds up \ 725) <kmc> aim hecker (n): when ur dronk and u pee so bad all over the toilet that ppl make fun of u <kmc> (corruption of "aim heckler") \ 986) <kmc> i'm not actually competent at hacking things <elliott> ummmm kmc dont u mean `cracking' [tiny glider symbol with "hacker pride" written next to it in silkscreen] [head o
01:15:11 <oerjan> `run quote toilet | tail -c 350
01:15:12 <HackEgo> n): when ur dronk and u pee so bad all over the toilet that ppl make fun of u <kmc> (corruption of "aim heckler") \ 986) <kmc> i'm not actually competent at hacking things <elliott> ummmm kmc dont u mean `cracking' [tiny glider symbol with "hacker pride" written next to it in silkscreen] [head of a gnu] [tux penguin] <kmc> [face shoved in toilet
01:15:37 <oerjan> i see we have a lot of toilet quotes
01:16:28 <Bike> n)
01:28:42 <Sgeo> shachaf: speculation: http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showpost.php?p=15861177&postcount=25
01:29:58 <Sgeo> Not the best speculation, maybe
01:39:07 <oerjan> Sgeo: good luck finding any remains after the explosion
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01:51:30 <Sgeo> oerjan: I was thinking more in terms of they'd probably not like Lawful Evil either. Hating Paladins doesn't mean being ok with Evil
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01:55:43 <oerjan> Sgeo: no, but we are talking about people descending from a usually evil race of dragons here.
01:57:02 <Sgeo> hmm
01:57:31 <Sgeo> I was under the impression that the Scribble was * Good or * Neutral
01:57:44 <Sgeo> Same with defending the gate
01:58:20 <oerjan> what's a Scribble
01:58:22 <Sgeo> Although I guess that doesn't exclude being ok with being revived by Lawful Evil, and I guess even Evil characters might defend the Gate or work to protect reality
01:58:25 <Sgeo> Order of the Scribble
01:58:37 <Sgeo> Soon, Girard, et. al
01:58:56 <Sgeo> Oh, that might be a fan nickname
01:59:04 <oerjan> oh sure, i am assuming girard is chaotic good, but he's still descended from a dragon
01:59:46 <oerjan> well, maybe neutral.
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02:14:28 <doesthiswork> the snarl looks to be still there
02:26:43 <kmc> oerjan: ah yeah I have the same problem with the airblade
02:27:41 <kmc> here's a taboo thought: washing your hands after using the facilities is not beneficial in every circumstance
02:28:20 <kmc> i still do it because a) conditioning b) people will look at you like you just kicked a puppy
02:30:15 <Phantom_Hoover> i love how the airblade makes it basically impossible to avoid contact with the fan nozzle
02:30:23 <Phantom_Hoover> great hygiene there dyson
02:30:34 <oerjan> how is it not beneficial and do i really want to know.
02:31:10 <oerjan> Phantom_Hoover: that's what my quote is _about_ hth
02:32:29 <Phantom_Hoover> have i done my dyson routine here yet
02:32:32 <Phantom_Hoover> i feel sure i have
02:32:47 <oerjan> i don't remember seeing it
02:34:57 <oerjan> kmc: in any case where it's not beneficial you need to call authorities to get the place closed down immediately hth
02:36:15 <oerjan> in case of authorities not willing/able to do so, you need to take over the government.
02:36:42 <oerjan> hth.
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03:16:32 <Sgeo> I'm in a nonexistent building that I think is older than elliott (I forget exactly how old elliott is)
03:17:16 <Sgeo> This building was made November 1995
03:17:26 <elliott> I am also in a building older than I am.
03:17:47 <elliott> but no, that's younger
03:17:51 <oerjan> i am in a building younger than i am hth
03:18:31 <Sgeo> Apparently Active Worlds had some promotional thing with Jumanji
03:19:12 <zzo38> Now I realized a unusual feature I put in the Z-machine assembler, which is the DW_SKIP command. I don't konw of other assembler having such feature.
03:21:18 <zzo38> Do you know if there is some?
03:21:54 <zzo38> (The DW_SKIP command takes a count and then the data; however, the count is how many numbers of the data will be skipped and not written to the output.)
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03:22:56 <Sgeo> Pretty sure this "Historical Society" is older than the thing it was studying was when the historical society was created
03:23:27 <Sgeo> AW was 1995(?), maybe 1997 went public, the historical society was 2000
03:30:04 <oerjan> `addquote <boily> it's not weird, it's even in alphabetical order and nicely formatted!
03:30:07 <HackEgo> 1092) <boily> it's not weird, it's even in alphabetical order and nicely formatted!
03:33:31 <zzo38> What is the "pronounce" name for the comma command in Forth?
03:35:15 <doesthiswork> zzo38: do you have a link to your z-machine stuff?
03:36:19 <zzo38> doesthiswork: Yes, I do have. You can find it in my user page of IF Wiki, and you can look in http://zzo38computer.org/zmachine/
03:38:44 <Sgeo> I have reached a location of Bill Clinton jokes
03:40:32 <doesthiswork> those still exist?
03:44:18 <pikhq> Bill Clinton jokes are immortal, much like Bill Clinton.
03:45:28 <doesthiswork> zzo38: thank you
03:45:55 <Sgeo> doesthiswork: they were popular in 1998 or so, and that's when those signs at the location I was at were built
03:48:48 <zzo38> doesthiswork: Does this work? [O, it is same name]
03:49:17 <doesthiswork> ja it works
03:50:10 <zzo38> I am writing the document for Frolg 1.3 and will released soon.
03:50:33 <zzo38> (Frolg is the Z-machine assembler. Aimfiz and Fweep are interpreters.)
03:51:43 <zzo38> Do you know some things about Z-machine?
03:52:19 <doesthiswork> nothing more than is on wikipedia, they seem quite esoteric
03:55:11 <tswett> help
03:55:22 <tswett> So, a while back I posted a list of "incorrect jokes".
03:55:40 <tswett> Example: "What's the best thing about living in Switzerland? Well, the flag is pretty nice."
03:56:17 <tswett> I've forgotten the original version of one of the jokes.
03:56:21 <tswett> The modified version is: "You know, I think I might become a mirror inspector."
03:58:18 <doesthiswork> is that the entire modified joke or just the punchline?
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03:59:15 <oerjan> <doesthiswork> so I"m defining addition as A + 0 = A, A + S(B) = S( A + B), A + T(B) = T( A + B) <-- i think that's basically concatenation if you think of the type as list of S's and T's
03:59:32 <doesthiswork> yup it is
03:59:39 <oerjan> which i guess makes it associative, at least :)
04:00:10 <doesthiswork> and commutative when adding things to 0
04:00:46 <tswett> doesthiswork: that's the entire modified joke.
04:01:04 <tswett> Like, what could the original have been? Something involving the phrase "looking into mirrors"?
04:01:15 <doesthiswork> "I've been reflecting on my life and..."
04:02:02 <doesthiswork> "after some reflection I think I might become a mirror inspector."
04:03:47 <doesthiswork> oerjan: I defined it so it would be concatenation
04:05:32 <doesthiswork> because it would be annoy if it did something different like A + S(B) = S( B + A)
04:06:57 <oerjan> these new ops are growing our ban list something fearfully
04:07:51 <zzo38> oerjan: Yes I think it probably is.
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04:23:10 <doesthiswork> tswett: Does my proposed joke work?
04:23:57 <tswett> Pretty sure that isn't the original.
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05:56:16 <Sgeo> `olist
05:56:18 <HackEgo> olist: shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
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10:40:15 <AnotherTest> Hello
10:43:51 <oerjan> afternoon
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11:53:25 <AnotherTest> Hi samantus
11:53:25 <samantus> AnotherTest: Hi samantus
11:56:17 <Roujo> `relcome samantus
11:56:17 <samantus> Roujo: Implies
11:56:22 <Roujo> Awwww
11:56:23 <HackEgo> samantus: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
11:56:26 <Roujo> Yayyy!
11:56:42 <Koen_> is it me or does "relcome" sounds japanese?
11:56:58 <Koen_> sound
11:58:35 <Roujo> Rofl
11:58:36 <Roujo> Yeah
12:00:20 <AnotherTest> hm, so much new esolangs lately: doublefuck, jumpfuck, bitfuck, reduced instruction set brainfuck, braincurses, braincursion, paintfuck++
12:00:54 <Roujo> paintfuck++ looks interesting
12:01:01 <Roujo> Well, its name does
12:01:07 <Koen_> yeah it has two fancy + symbols in it
12:01:15 <Roujo> "Votre recherche de paintfuck++ ne correspond à aucun document."
12:01:26 <Roujo> It's the "paint" part that intrigues me
12:01:36 <AnotherTest> "This language is by User:Poolala, and is an extension of the Paintfuck language. Each cell is represented as an RGB code, and the colors wrap. (FF to 00, 00 to FF) The cell array is the same as Paintfuck's."
12:01:54 <AnotherTest> it's just painfuck with an extra instruction or something
12:01:56 <Koen_> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Paintfuck%2B
12:02:53 <AnotherTest> oh it's + not ++, my bad
12:03:18 <Roujo> Close enough
12:03:45 <AnotherTest> so basically it replaces the flip cell command with increment/decrement cell
12:04:16 <Koen_> so it's like paintfuck IN COLOUR
12:04:42 <AnotherTest> Yes
12:04:59 <AnotherTest> fair enough
12:05:49 <fizzie> Each cell also seems to have a "current color" selector for the R/G/B component.
12:06:20 <AnotherTest> bitfuck is equivalend to smallfuck with input, except for the fact that it's syntax is ambiguous
12:06:26 <AnotherTest> *its
12:07:27 <AnotherTest> oh it isn't
12:07:38 <AnotherTest> I thought ! actually did something
12:08:32 <AnotherTest> Hmm, doublefuck sounds familiar
12:10:07 <AnotherTest> surely, there must be another 2D brainfuck variant
12:10:13 <Jafet> If you make a derivative using lisp syntax, you get s-fuck
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12:11:13 <AnotherTest> well now that we have come to the doublefuck point, it is clearly time to make n-dimensional brainfuck to ensure nobody makes a 3D variant
12:11:33 <AnotherTest> although I fear that might not stop anyone
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12:14:36 <fizzie> Do you count a two-tape brainfuck as "2D"?
12:14:59 <oerjan> AnotherTest: Dimensifuck hth
12:15:10 <AnotherTest> oerjan: aah
12:15:40 <fizzie> oerjan: That's not a N-tape variant, though. (Which would be kind of the logical extension from DoubleFuck.)
12:15:51 <AnotherTest> well, fizzie
12:16:04 <AnotherTest> it has 2 dimensions but they're not fully accessible
12:16:06 <AnotherTest> that's how I see it
12:16:49 <oerjan> i'm not sure if there's an arbitrary-dimension variant which affects both code and tape
12:17:15 <AnotherTest> samantus: Does such a brainfuck variant exist?
12:17:15 <samantus> AnotherTest: Variant exist
12:17:25 <AnotherTest> samantus: You're stupid, do you know that?
12:17:25 <samantus> AnotherTest: Do you call it where you need to be a good one
12:18:27 <fizzie> oerjan: Clearly you must define a brainfuck variant where the code lives in an N-dimensional space, and there are M separate L-dimensional "tapes".
12:20:11 <AnotherTest> the the code must be written in N dimensions
12:20:51 <AnotherTest> thus, I conclude that we can only trivially represent 3-dimensional code
12:21:09 <Roujo> Why not Yog-Sothoth?
12:21:33 <AnotherTest> an n-dimensional being can represent (n - 1) dimensional brainfuck code I guess
12:22:03 <fizzie> Shameful fact: there's no standard for Funge-98 source files for dimensionalities larger than three.
12:22:14 <AnotherTest> thus, can 4 dimensional brainfuck code exist in our universe? I think it can, if your source code mutates in time
12:22:28 <fizzie> (In TreFunge-98, form feed increments the z coordinate and resets x and y to zero.)
12:22:32 <Roujo> Self-modifying brainfuck
12:22:56 <fizzie> You don't need to mix time in there, there's nothing preventing you from writing brainfuck code with four spatial dimensions.
12:23:31 <scoofy> allocate 4 dimensional matrix for data tape, and you're set
12:23:35 <AnotherTest> fizzie: I don't understand how one would write 4 dimensional code
12:23:47 <AnotherTest> scoofy: I mean the code itself, not the memory
12:23:48 <scoofy> AnotherTest: simply
12:24:03 <fizzie> AnotherTest: Just define a file format for it. Possibly also write an editor that can do nice 2D projections.
12:24:41 <AnotherTest> fizzie: I guess that would work, yes
12:24:46 <scoofy> for the code, you could have 4D code tape... but if you want to really explore that vector space, you'd need more operators for 4d navigation
12:25:22 <scoofy> f. ex. <> ^v in 2D (left-right, up-down), now add 4 more operators for th e other 2 dimensions
12:25:35 <AnotherTest> fizzie: would you say a parallel universe exists in the same dimensions as us, or in a different one?
12:26:02 <scoofy> it has nothing to do with time-space or universe or parallelity
12:26:04 <fizzie> I wouldn't really say anything about parallel universes, and they don't seem terribly relevant to multidimensional brainfucks.
12:26:31 <scoofy> dimension is a mathematical concept, showing the arity of a vector
12:28:14 <AnotherTest> fizzie: It seems interesting to make this brainfuck variant operate in K different universes as well
12:30:34 <scoofy> 4 dimensions is not enough??
12:30:41 <scoofy> why you want other universes? :)
12:30:56 <AnotherTest> scoofy: well the original idea was to have n dimensions
12:31:27 <scoofy> you could have 1024 dimensions if you want
12:31:30 <AnotherTest> and I want multiple universes because in a different universe the operations can be defined otherwisze
12:31:34 <scoofy> would require quite much RAM though
12:31:49 <AnotherTest> so there exists as many universes as there are permutations of the instruction set
12:32:08 <AnotherTest> scoofy: no I don't want a fixed size. Just n
12:32:21 <scoofy> char int data_tape[30000][30000][30000][30000];
12:32:37 <AnotherTest> I suppose you would dynamically allocate storage as needed
12:33:33 <scoofy> actually for this to compile you'd need 17 exabyes or 17,000 petabytes or 17,000,000 terabytes or 17,000,000,000 gigabytes of RAM...
12:33:52 <AnotherTest> that's why you need to dynamically allocate
12:34:33 <scoofy> well that's an interesting problem space, once you start wandering off in 4d
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12:35:11 <scoofy> or create a subset and limit it to, say tape[100][100][100][100]
12:35:26 <scoofy> that needs only 100 MB of RAM
12:35:58 <AnotherTest> or... you allocate as you need and use practically no RAM until someoene wants to
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12:36:11 <scoofy> or write a little toy 4d brainfuck with tape size 64^4, that fits into 64 kbytes
12:36:36 <scoofy> well you need a pretty sophisticated memory manager for that, i guess..
12:36:37 <fizzie> 64^4 certainly doesn't fit in 64k.
12:36:43 <scoofy> i meant 16^
12:36:46 <scoofy> 16^4
12:36:51 <scoofy> which is 65536
12:37:06 <AnotherTest> scoofy: it's called std::vector ;)
12:37:12 <scoofy> good enough for a toy 4d brainfuck :)
12:37:20 <fizzie> Hashmaps are the "standard" implementation strategy for Funge-98 implementations.
12:37:30 <AnotherTest> anyway
12:37:47 <fizzie> Those, of course, don't really care about the dimensionality of the keys.
12:37:48 <AnotherTest> the implementation strategy doesn't seem to be the most important aspect of the problem here
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12:38:14 <fizzie> I don't know if a N-dimensional brainfuck has so many terribly important aspects.
12:38:15 <scoofy> i guess it's important, since you can 'wander off' anywhere in 4d
12:39:12 <AnotherTest> fizzie: true, it needs to be made more complex
12:39:31 -!- Roujo has set topic: The welcomes of doom | 22nd IOCCC is open: http://ioccc.org/2013/rules.txt | jsvine is doing an esolang survey! https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OvEsdBioOFcXFAiscO34kctUWKs3dWQs5-ZouXdwy9Q/viewform | http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric | <AnotherTest> fizzie: true, it needs to be made more complex.
12:39:46 <Roujo> `relcome complexity
12:39:48 <HackEgo> complexity: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
12:39:50 <Roujo> `? complexity
12:39:51 <HackEgo> complexity? ¯\(°_o)/¯
12:39:52 <myndzi> |
12:39:52 <myndzi> o/`¯º
12:39:55 <Roujo> ~duck complexity
12:40:02 <AnotherTest> samantus: Is it complex enough?
12:40:02 <samantus> AnotherTest: Complex enough
12:40:10 <AnotherTest> samantus: please say something cool for once
12:40:10 <samantus> AnotherTest: Cool for once
12:40:10 <Roujo> %echo Complexity!
12:40:11 <Emilie> Complexity!
12:40:16 <fizzie> @wn complexity
12:40:18 <AnotherTest> samantus: aah
12:40:18 <samantus> AnotherTest: Hub firefox
12:40:19 <lambdabot> *** "complexity" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
12:40:19 <lambdabot> complexity
12:40:19 <lambdabot> n 1: the quality of being intricate and compounded; "he enjoyed
12:40:19 <lambdabot> the complexity of modern computers" [syn: {complexity},
12:40:19 <lambdabot> {complexness}] [ant: {simpleness}, {simplicity}]
12:40:20 <fizzie> (Nice quotation there.)
12:40:36 <Roujo> Nice, nice
12:41:08 <fizzie> There are quite a few people who enjoy the simplicity of non-modern computers; I guess there have to be some folks that do the opposite.
12:41:09 <AnotherTest> I think samantus' "use the words from the input"-strategy isn't that good after all.
12:41:09 <samantus> AnotherTest: That good after all
12:41:27 <scoofy> probably i'd first start off with a 16^4 toy 4d brainfuck to work out the basics, and deal with the dynamic allocaion later
12:41:44 <AnotherTest> samantus: Hi
12:41:44 <samantus> AnotherTest: Set providing
12:41:47 <AnotherTest> pff
12:41:59 <AnotherTest> samantus: Tell me a joke
12:41:59 <samantus> AnotherTest: A joke
12:42:05 <AnotherTest> samantus: tell me something
12:42:05 <samantus> AnotherTest: Me something i didnt ask you i told you do i dont see parse error possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched
12:42:52 <AnotherTest> samantus: did you actually learn from your own parse errors. that seems unlikely/impossible
12:42:53 <samantus> AnotherTest: Your own parse errors that seems
12:43:08 <AnotherTest> it's hopeless :(
12:43:10 <Roujo> I think it's lambdabot's
12:43:14 <Roujo> > rofl
12:43:15 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `rofl'
12:43:16 <AnotherTest> oh probably
12:43:22 <Roujo> > ehco
12:43:23 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `ehco'
12:43:24 <AnotherTest> ]] whois "Roujo";
12:43:24 <samantus> > Roujo is a VERY annoying person/bot (this does not apply to boily/AnotherTest)
12:43:24 <Roujo> >echo
12:43:25 <lambdabot> Not in scope: data constructor `Roujo'Not in scope: `is'
12:43:26 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant...
12:43:38 <Roujo> Well that's nice
12:43:57 <AnotherTest> samantus: that wasn't very nice
12:43:57 <samantus> AnotherTest: That wasnt very nice
12:44:04 <AnotherTest> samantus
12:44:04 <samantus> AnotherTest: Of i
12:44:07 <AnotherTest> samantus
12:44:07 <samantus> AnotherTest: Of 100
12:44:10 <AnotherTest> samantus
12:44:10 <samantus> AnotherTest: Debian cell
12:44:12 <AnotherTest> samantus
12:44:12 <samantus> AnotherTest:
12:44:12 <samantus> multiples
12:44:15 <AnotherTest> pff
12:44:26 <AnotherTest> it doesn't seem to generate long chains
12:44:33 <Roujo> ]] whois "AnotherTest";
12:44:33 <samantus> > AnotherTest is a VERY annoying person/bot (this does not apply to boily/AnotherTest)
12:44:34 <lambdabot> Not in scope: data constructor `AnotherTest'Not in scope: `is'
12:44:35 <lambdabot> Perhaps you...
12:44:48 <Roujo> ]] whois "samantus";
12:44:49 <samantus> Roujo: Whois samantus
12:44:49 <samantus> > samantus is a VERY annoying person/bot (this does not apply to boily/AnotherTest)
12:44:50 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `samantus'Not in scope: `is'
12:44:50 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant one of these:...
12:44:50 <samantus> lambdabot: Not in
12:44:52 <Roujo> Lol
12:46:25 <AnotherTest> ]] up whois "Roujo";
12:46:45 <AnotherTest> oh right it was uc
12:46:48 <AnotherTest> ]] uc whois "Roujo";
12:46:50 <lambdabot> Not in scope: data constructor `ROUJO'Not in scope: data constructor `IS'
12:46:50 <lambdabot> ...
12:46:50 <AnotherTest> take that
12:47:31 <AnotherTest> ]] pow 2 1123456
12:47:35 <AnotherTest> ]] pow 2 1123456;
12:48:46 <Roujo> ]] pow pow
12:49:44 <AnotherTest> Roujo: ok so the language's syntax is kind of like this: call (call or arg)
12:50:15 <AnotherTest> and don't forget the semicolon
12:50:25 <AnotherTest> eg.
12:50:28 <Roujo> ]] call (call or arg)
12:50:31 <AnotherTest> ]] mul 5 5;
12:50:36 <Roujo> [08:50:29] <samantus> Oops, seems like something went wrong...
12:50:36 <samantus> Roujo: Something went wrong
12:50:37 <AnotherTest> ok um
12:50:41 <Roujo> ^^
12:50:53 <Roujo> ]] pow 2 2
12:51:05 <Roujo> Something went wrong again
12:51:08 <AnotherTest> ]] add "a" "b";
12:51:08 <samantus> > ab
12:51:08 <Roujo> ]] pow 2 22
12:51:09 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `ab'
12:51:09 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant one of these:
12:51:09 <lambdabot> `a' (imported from D...
12:51:13 <AnotherTest> Yeah the semicolon
12:51:23 <Roujo> ]] pow 2 22;
12:51:25 <AnotherTest> but you have to convert the int result to a printable string
12:51:28 <AnotherTest> using "id"
12:51:30 <AnotherTest> so
12:51:37 <AnotherTest> ]] id pow 2 22;
12:51:40 <Roujo> ]] id pow 2 22;
12:51:45 <Roujo> Nope =P
12:51:53 <Roujo> ]] id ( pow 2 22 );
12:51:56 -!- boily has joined.
12:52:01 <AnotherTest> no, parentheses are ignored
12:52:04 <Roujo> 'sup, boily, frère de boily?
12:52:07 <AnotherTest> ]] id mul 5 5;
12:52:10 <AnotherTest> hm
12:52:12 <boily> good parenthetic morning!
12:52:16 <AnotherTest> ok don't use numbers they don't work
12:52:29 <AnotherTest> ]] mul "Hi boily. " 10
12:52:31 <Roujo> ]] id pow "2" "22"
12:52:31 <AnotherTest> ]] mul "Hi boily. " 10;
12:52:31 <samantus> > Hi boily. Hi boily. Hi boily. Hi boily. Hi boily. Hi boily. Hi boily. Hi boily. Hi boily. Hi boily.
12:52:32 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:100:
12:52:32 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatche...
12:52:43 <boily> Roujo: I sushied yesterday. how's life for you, friend of boily, brother of boily?
12:52:53 <Roujo> I also sushied. T'was nice.
12:53:03 <AnotherTest> ]] add "" mul 5 5;
12:53:10 <Roujo> ]] mul "boilyBoily" 255
12:53:11 <AnotherTest> ]] add 5 5;
12:53:25 <Roujo> ]] mul "boilyBoily" 255;
12:53:25 <samantus> > boilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBo
12:53:25 <samantus> ilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyB
12:53:25 <samantus> oilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboily
12:53:25 <samantus> BoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboil
12:53:25 <samantus> yBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboi
12:53:25 <samantus> lyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilybo
12:53:26 <samantus> ilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoily
12:53:29 <lambdabot> Not in scope:
12:53:29 <lambdabot> `boilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBoilyboilyBo...
12:53:30 <mnoqy> hi
12:53:30 <Roujo> Welp
12:53:30 <boily> YOWCH.
12:53:35 <AnotherTest> yeah
12:53:44 <AnotherTest> don't do that too much
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12:53:51 <fizzie> Some sort of line length limit could be worth investigation.
12:53:52 <Roujo> boily: Apparently, you're not in scope
12:53:53 <AnotherTest> some people might get mad
12:54:00 <Roujo> Sorry about that
12:54:02 <AnotherTest> fizzie: there is a line length limit
12:54:08 <boily> I can't get mad, I'm not in scope.
12:54:09 <AnotherTest> it's just incredibly large
12:54:32 <Roujo> ]] mul add "." ";" 5
12:54:37 <Roujo> ]] mul add "." ";" 5;
12:54:37 <samantus> > .;.;.;.;.;
12:54:38 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: parse error on input `.'
12:55:11 <Roujo> ]] mul add mul "." 6 ";" 5;
12:55:11 <samantus> > ......;......;......;......;......;
12:55:12 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:1: parse error on input `......'
12:55:20 <Roujo> ]] mul add mul "." 6 \";" 5;
12:55:52 <AnotherTest> fizzie: I will lower it. What do you suggest?
12:56:19 <Roujo> 5
12:56:35 <AnotherTest> ]] let hi $x = add "hello " $x;
12:56:48 <AnotherTest> ]] hi "roujo";
12:56:49 <samantus> > hello roujo
12:56:50 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `hello'Not in scope: `roujo'
12:56:57 <Roujo> > set roujo = 3
12:56:57 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:11: parse error on input `='
12:57:03 <Roujo> > set roujo 3
12:57:04 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `roujo'
12:57:08 <Roujo> > scope roujo
12:57:10 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `scope'Not in scope: `roujo'
12:57:13 <Roujo> Well crap
12:57:19 <Roujo> > roujo = 3
12:57:26 <Roujo> > scope roujo
12:57:37 <AnotherTest> > let roujo = 3 in roujo * 2
12:57:48 <Roujo> > let me go
12:58:00 <AnotherTest> ok lambdabot broke
12:58:25 <AnotherTest> ]] let roujo = "roujo";
12:58:28 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:7: parse error on input `='
12:58:28 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `scope'Not in scope: `roujo'
12:58:28 <lambdabot> 6
12:58:28 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:10:
12:58:28 <lambdabot> parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched...
12:58:33 <AnotherTest> ]] hello rojo;
12:58:38 <AnotherTest> ]] hello roujo;
12:58:38 <Roujo> > let roujo = 3
12:58:39 <fizzie> AnotherTest: I don't know, but possibly something like one or three IRC messages.
12:58:44 <lambdabot> not an expression: `let roujo = 3'
12:58:54 <Roujo> > let roujo = 3 in roujo = 3
12:58:55 <lambdabot> <hint>:1:24: parse error on input `='
12:58:58 <Roujo> > let roujo = 3 in roujo == 3
12:58:59 <lambdabot> True
12:59:07 <Roujo> > let roujo = 3 in global
12:59:20 <lambdabot> Not in scope: `global'
12:59:20 <lambdabot> Perhaps you meant `local' (imported from Control.Mo...
12:59:25 <Roujo> > let roujo = 3 in local
12:59:27 <lambdabot> No instance for (Control.Monad.Reader.Class.MonadReader r0 m0)
12:59:27 <lambdabot> arising f...
12:59:29 <Roujo> Welp
13:00:05 <AnotherTest> fizzie: what's the maximum lent of a message?
13:00:08 <AnotherTest> *length
13:00:40 <fizzie> AnotherTest: 512 bytes, but you have to factor in protocol things.
13:00:57 <fizzie> The :nick!user@host prefix, the PRIVMSG, the #esoteric, the :, and the crlf at the end.
13:01:15 <fizzie> On freenode, thanks to cloaks, the first one is pretty hard to predict.
13:01:30 -!- samantus has quit (Remote host closed the connection).
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13:02:04 <AnotherTest> ]] mul "fizzie" 500
13:02:05 <boily> ~duck cloak
13:02:05 <metasepia> cloak definition: a loose outer garment.
13:02:07 <AnotherTest> ]] mul "fizzie" 500;
13:02:07 <samantus> > fizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizzief
13:02:07 <samantus> izziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizz
13:02:07 <samantus> iefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizzief
13:02:07 <samantus> izziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizz
13:02:07 <samantus> iefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizzief
13:02:07 <samantus> izziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizz
13:02:07 <samantus> iefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizzie
13:02:10 <lambdabot> Not in scope:
13:02:10 <lambdabot> `fizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefizziefiz...
13:02:15 <AnotherTest> ok it doesn't work
13:02:31 <AnotherTest> ]] mul "fizzie" 50000;
13:02:57 <Roujo> ]] mul "| " add "5" "0"
13:03:01 <Roujo> ]] mul "| " add "5" "0";
13:03:08 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined.
13:03:09 <Roujo> Also, GG
13:03:25 <AnotherTest> samantus: do you still live
13:03:28 * Roujo puts up a few sacks of sand to prepare for the flood
13:03:35 <Roujo> You should stack them about yea high
13:03:51 <AnotherTest> it's having trouble duplicating "fizzie" 50000 times
13:04:13 <Roujo> Surely, freenode has a flood limit?
13:04:15 <fizzie> That's certainly understandable. I shudder to think of a gaggle of 50000 of me.
13:04:26 <boily> world war fizzie.
13:04:33 <AnotherTest> Roujo: yes, I suppose it will get disconnected
13:04:37 <AnotherTest> let's see
13:04:51 <AnotherTest> it is however taking suspiciously long
13:05:06 <fizzie> Yes, I'm not *that* big to process.
13:05:50 <AnotherTest> fizzie: 300000 bytes is a lot
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13:06:04 <fizzie> Not in this day and age.
13:06:14 -!- samantus has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
13:06:23 <AnotherTest> it will autorejoin
13:06:24 <Roujo> Here lies samantus
13:06:45 <AnotherTest> however it has still not finished so I will kill it
13:06:53 <AnotherTest> killall samantus
13:07:16 <Roujo> s/samantus//g
13:08:14 <fizzie> `quote end to all
13:08:15 <HackEgo> 439) <fungot> fizzie: i, myself, will bring an end to all.
13:08:37 <AnotherTest> I feel obliged to rewrite it in N-dimensional brainfuck now
13:09:03 <AnotherTest> but on the other hand... that doesn't sound very appealin
13:09:07 <AnotherTest> *appealing
13:09:10 <scoofy> why not?
13:09:16 <Roujo> You know who else isn't appealing?
13:09:17 <boily> doesn't it exists already?
13:09:27 <Roujo> OJ Simpson
13:09:50 <AnotherTest> scoofy: I don't really enjoy writing brainfuck
13:09:52 <boily> I wonder why nobody ever marketer Simpsons' OJ yet.
13:10:00 <boily> s/ter/ted/
13:10:11 <Roujo> Hmmmmm... Can you actually appeal a decision in your favor?
13:10:33 <AnotherTest> scoofy: but if you want to suggest another language, go ahead
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13:11:40 <fizzie> I'd like to see a Glass bot. In fact, I might have started one already, but it got abandoned.
13:12:10 <AnotherTest> interesting
13:12:11 <scoofy> still better to write than programming in writing malbolge
13:12:23 <AnotherTest> I haven't written any glass yet
13:12:25 <boily> ~duck malbolge
13:12:25 <metasepia> Malbolge is a public domain esoteric programming language invented by Ben Olmstead in 1998, named after the eighth circle of hell in Dante's Inferno, the Malebolge.
13:12:36 * boily is pleasantly surprised
13:13:04 <boily> did Mr. Olmstead ever join this channel?
13:14:39 <Roujo> ~duck brainfuck
13:14:40 <metasepia> The brainfuck programming language is an esoteric programming language noted for its extreme minimalism.
13:14:45 <Roujo> ~duck Olmstead
13:14:45 <metasepia> Matt Olmstead, an American writer and producer for television shows.
13:14:52 <Roujo> Close enough
13:14:58 <Roujo> ~duck duck
13:14:58 <metasepia> duck definition: any of various swimming birds (family Anatidae, the duck family) in which the neck and legs are short, the feet typically webbed, the bill often broad and flat, and the sexes usually different from each other in plumage.
13:15:03 <boily> olmsteads are fongible.
13:15:10 <Roujo> fungible?
13:15:17 <Roujo> dingibla?
13:15:24 <boily> ~duck fongible
13:15:24 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
13:15:28 <boily> ~duck fungible
13:15:28 <metasepia> Fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are capable of mutual substitution, such as sweet crude oil, shares in a company, bonds, precious metals, or currencies.
13:15:32 <boily> s/o/u/
13:15:39 <Roujo> s/o/u/g
13:15:48 <boily> ...................Ruuju...........
13:15:56 <Roujo> s/u/u/g
13:15:59 <Roujo> Well shit
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13:19:46 <oerjan> i don't clearly remember if olmstead's been here, it must have been long ago. fizzie should know.
13:20:55 <fizzie> I don't clearly remember that happening, but that's not really conclusive proof.
13:22:02 <boily> `elderlist
13:22:03 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: elderlist: not found
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13:51:26 <boily> Tanello. careful of the fizzies, there are rather plenty of them today.
13:55:23 <Taneb> Hi
13:55:37 <Taneb> Did you know that elliott has a fruit and veg shop in Wideopen?
13:56:00 <boily> ~duck wideopen
13:56:01 <metasepia> Wideopen is a village located in the administrative Borough of North Tyneside, north of Gosforth and six miles from Newcastle upon Tyne city centre.
13:56:45 <boily> everything is somewhat related to hexham...
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13:57:45 <boily> elliott: you're a fruitmonger now?
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13:59:01 <Phantom_Hoover> you should see him mong those fruit
14:00:05 <boily> `? elliott
14:00:06 <HackEgo> elliott wrote this learn DB, and wrote or improved many of the other commands in this bot. He probably has done other things? He is also tire. And a lystrosaur.
14:00:30 <boily> I thing the mong mong mong goes in the probably other things.
14:00:34 <boily> s/thing /think /
14:00:40 <boily> `quote lystrosaur
14:00:41 <HackEgo> No output.
14:00:52 <boily> ~duck lystrosaur
14:00:52 <metasepia> Lystrosaurus ("shovel lizard") is a genus of Late Permian and Early Triassic Period dicynodont therapsids, which lived around 250 million years ago in what is now Antarctica, India, and South Africa.
14:03:27 <oerjan> `run echo >wisdom/lystrosaur "The lystrosaurs were an ancient genus of evil reptiles who successfully took over the world in the early Triassic."
14:03:30 <HackEgo> No output.
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14:11:43 <boily> ~duck 鶏
14:11:43 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
14:12:13 <boily> I should add W|A infos to ~duck.
14:14:36 <fizzie> If that means making W|A queries, it'd be incredibly illegal, they'd throw you in jail.
14:14:56 <fizzie> Haven't you heard it's a federal crime to go against terms of service these days?
14:15:46 <fizzie> ("The Wolfram|Alpha service may be used only by a human being using a conventional web browser to manually enter queries one at a time.")
14:16:05 <boily> I'm not the one querying, I use ddg as a broker. granted, with the kind of subpœnas you get these days it'll probably get lumped together with everything else, but hey, I like living dangerously.
14:16:24 <fizzie> Note that you're not even allowed to use it if your browser is something less mainstream.
14:16:28 <boily> (and promoting the independance and freedom of marine animals too)
14:16:36 <boily> eh?
14:16:39 <boily> wut?
14:17:12 <boily> you're telling me ddg has a special license and/or agreement with W|A for them to display infos in an encart?
14:17:21 <fizzie> Yes.
14:17:30 <fizzie> "Today, in conjunction with DuckDuckGo, we are happy to share that Wolfram|Alpha and DuckDuckGo have entered a new phase of our relationship as official partners. As a result of this partnership, DuckDuckGo will expand Wolfram|Alpha integration into its search site --"
14:17:51 <boily> oh.
14:18:14 <boily> bummer.
14:18:33 <fizzie> Though they do have that official API these days too.
14:18:44 <fizzie> I'm not sure how that works with their regular terms of service.
14:19:12 <fizzie> (It allows for 2000 "non-commercial" W|A queries per month before you have to pay.)
14:19:58 <boily> well, considering W|A has a slimy jelly at its head, I think I'm going to play it safe, even tho I'd really like to have the extra info source clumped into metasepia.
14:20:10 <boily> I mean, instant 漢字 lookup!
14:21:44 <Roujo> `? liopleurodon
14:21:46 <HackEgo> liopleurodon? ¯\(°_o)/¯
14:21:46 <myndzi> |
14:21:46 <myndzi> º¯`\o
14:22:40 <boily> why do everything nowadays need to be embroiled in an Universal Meandering Legal Quagmire of Unhelpfulness?
14:30:01 <Phantom_Hoover> i like how ddg are teaming up with W|A
14:30:21 <Phantom_Hoover> "i'm sure wolfram cares about user privacy and search integrity and all that stuff"
14:30:42 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: careful about what you say here. maybe they're logging the chännel!
14:31:00 <Phantom_Hoover> you've gone trema mad
14:31:11 <Phantom_Hoover> are they there to throw off wolfram
14:31:50 <boily> yüp.
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14:36:21 * boily goes on a quest to find an unicode stacked double diæresis.
14:40:41 <boily> not quite what I had in mind, but I think U+20DC does the job: a⃜.
14:41:19 <boily> the Dotpocalypse shall Commence! MWAH AH AH AH AH!
14:41:56 <Phantom_Hoover> oh god
14:45:20 <boily> as previously stated, no, I am still not insane.
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14:45:36 <doesthiswork> so nale dead
14:46:32 <Roujo> boily: That didn't show up correctly to me
14:46:36 <Roujo> Welp
14:46:38 <boily> ~duck nale
14:46:38 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
14:47:14 <doesthiswork> boily: Order of the stick antagonist
14:47:14 <boily> Roujo: what do you use as an IRC client? do you have plenty of not-quite-useless-unicode-fonts installed? are your chakras balanced?
14:47:24 <boily> doesthiswork: people die in oots?
14:47:31 * oerjan swats doesthiswork for spoiling -----###
14:47:51 <Roujo> I use KVIrc, I just use Courrier New, and I think so, yeah
14:48:09 <oerjan> boily: um, rather frequently...
14:49:24 <doesthiswork> oerjan: Haven't you had ten hours to read it?
14:49:56 <boily> Roujo: interesting client, you should enhance your fonts, and just to be sure maybe a consultation with an ayurvedic expert may be helpful.
14:50:12 <oerjan> doesthiswork: oh i've read it, i'm swatting you on principle, and ten hours is far too little, some people catch up in batches.
14:50:49 <boily> oerjan: did you experience catharsis with that swat?
14:50:50 <doesthiswork> I read a recent study that found that spoilers increased people's enjoyment of a work
14:51:13 <boily> doesthiswork: don't give me the details of that study! I want to read it without knowing its punchlines.
14:51:14 <Roujo> boily: I like it, which one do you suggest, that's alright, I can do it myself if need be
14:51:50 <oerjan> i read a recent study (this is a lie) that people who use science to contradict other people's feelings have low life expectancy.
14:52:02 <boily> Roujo: I'm a weechat fanatic as are some of my coworkers, think of the unicode children!, you studied the ayurveda?
14:54:30 <boily> they're developing a web-based client to weechat that uses websockets. the project is still pretty much pre-alpha, but there is youtube integration!
14:54:33 <Roujo> boily: I like KVIrc's nick color feature, does weechat have that; is that the font's name; nah, but I do have a formation in Reiki so close enough?
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14:55:36 <boily> Roujo: colourisation is wholly customisable, no font name yet but “unicode children” sounds good, I think reiki is good.
14:56:05 <oerjan> also i have a firm prejudice that all psychological studies have glaringly obvious holes that make them not apply to my situation hth (and i haven't read any of them either)
14:56:35 <oerjan> this also applies to nutrition studies.
14:56:38 <Roujo> boily: Yes, but it it deterministic; I tried to install Droid Mono, but it didn't work for some reason; you know about Reiki?
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14:57:09 <boily> I have friends who are studying / studied psychology. their average opinion is: stuff happens when stuff happens, and correlating stuff together is a very naïve way of doing things.
14:58:03 <oerjan> boily: thanks, that is precisely the kind of anecdotical evidence i'm collecting to bolster my prejudice tdh
14:58:11 <Roujo> I have a friend who is psychology, but we don't talk to him anymore
14:58:34 <oerjan> *anecdotal
14:58:34 <boily> Roujo: it stays the same across sessions as it is based on a deterministic algorithm of nicks' hashes, I'm on good ol' Terminus but my system complements it with what it can find, only slightly but I'm more knowledgeable with reflexology.
14:58:57 <boily> oerjan: glad to have elicited an honourable tdh from you twh.
14:59:35 <boily> btw, what's a tdh?
14:59:37 <boily> `? tdh
14:59:39 <HackEgo> tdh? ¯\(°_o)/¯
14:59:39 <myndzi> |
14:59:39 <myndzi> º¯`\o
14:59:49 <Roujo> boily: That's nice, I'll have to try that; That's nice, I'll have to try that; That's nice, I'll have to try that.
15:00:38 <boily> ah, at last a fanin! juggling three subjects at the same time without arrow notation is exhausting.
15:00:47 <oerjan> boily: that did help
15:01:04 <boily> `thanks ørjan
15:01:05 <HackEgo> Thanks, ørjan. Than.
15:01:33 <oerjan> i sense a bug in the vowel recognition there
15:01:45 <boily> `learn tdh is the past tense of a successful hth. hth.
15:01:49 <HackEgo> I knew that.
15:02:02 <Roujo> `learn `? is `? is `?
15:02:05 <HackEgo> I knew that.
15:02:20 <boily> didn't we have an entry with further details for `??
15:02:25 <Roujo> `? `??
15:02:27 <HackEgo> ​`??? ¯\(°_o)/¯
15:02:27 <myndzi> |
15:02:27 <myndzi> º¯`\o
15:02:31 <Roujo> Heh
15:02:42 <Roujo> `?
15:02:43 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°_o)/¯
15:02:44 <myndzi> |
15:02:44 <myndzi> º¯`\o
15:02:48 <Roujo> `? `? `?
15:02:50 <HackEgo> ​`? `?? ¯\(°_o)/¯
15:02:50 <myndzi> |
15:02:51 <myndzi> o/`¯º
15:02:52 <Roujo> `? `?
15:02:54 <HackEgo> ​`? is `? is `?
15:03:09 <Roujo> `learn `? ¯\(°_o)/¯
15:03:10 <myndzi> |
15:03:10 <myndzi> º¯`\o
15:03:13 <HackEgo> I knew that.
15:03:17 <Roujo> `? `?
15:03:19 <HackEgo> ​`? ¯\(°_o)/¯
15:03:19 <myndzi> |
15:03:19 <myndzi> o/`¯º
15:03:24 <Roujo> ¯\(°_o)/¯
15:03:25 <myndzi> |
15:03:25 <myndzi> o/`¯º
15:03:29 <Roujo> THAT'S AWESOME
15:04:37 <Koen_> `? `? `?
15:04:39 <HackEgo> ​`? `?? ¯\(°_o)/¯
15:04:39 <myndzi> |
15:04:39 <myndzi> o/`¯º
15:05:06 <Koen_> hmm
15:05:07 <boily> Roujo: there's this place in Chinatown which has nice massages for somewhat reasonable prices.
15:05:24 <Roujo> "somewhat"
15:05:24 <Roujo> =P
15:06:49 <oerjan> o_o
15:07:01 <oerjan> now what
15:07:07 <boily> you can expect to pay ~10$ more per session this year compared to last, but it remains affordable and enjoyable.
15:07:26 <boily> oerjan: hands on discussions :D
15:07:26 <oerjan> maybe myndzi is throttling
15:07:49 * boily unsticks myndzi with a liberal amount of WD-40
15:07:57 <oerjan> ^celebrate
15:07:58 <fungot> \o| |o| |o/ \m/ \m/ |o/ \o/ \o| \m/ \m/ \o| |o| |o/
15:07:58 <myndzi> | | | `\o/´ | | | `\o/´ | | |
15:07:58 <myndzi> |\ |\ |\ | |\ >\ /< | |\ /< |\
15:07:59 <myndzi> (_|¯´\ /´\
15:07:59 <myndzi> |_) (_| |_)
15:08:23 <oerjan> `? hmph
15:08:24 <HackEgo> hmph? ¯\(°_o)/¯
15:08:24 <myndzi> |
15:08:25 <myndzi> o/`¯º
15:08:29 <boily> this brings joy to my heart. thanks fizzie, thanks whoever created myndzi.
15:09:02 <oerjan> i'm wondering why myndzi always chooses that shape for the `? one
15:09:11 <oerjan> ¯\(°_o)/¯
15:09:11 <myndzi> |
15:09:11 <myndzi> º¯`\o
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15:09:28 <oerjan> oh hm
15:09:40 <oerjan> it's a different basic head
15:09:57 <oerjan> °_o
15:09:58 <myndzi> |
15:09:58 <myndzi> o/`¯º
15:11:14 <oerjan> @tell myndzi the \m/ \m/ body is misaligned hth
15:11:14 <lambdabot> Consider it noted.
15:11:14 <myndzi> `\o/´
15:11:14 <myndzi> |
15:11:14 <myndzi> /´¯|_)
15:11:14 <myndzi> (_|
15:11:51 <oerjan> boily: btw myndzi isn't a bot hth
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15:26:34 <boily> oerjan: you sure?
15:26:52 <oerjan> quite sure
15:26:53 <boily> myndzi: on which side of the M/M divide are you?
15:27:02 <boily> (Meatbag / Metal divide)
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15:28:25 <boily> oerjan: I still lean towards a ferro-cupric myndzi composition.
15:29:02 <oerjan> i never said he wasn't idling
15:29:58 * boily whips out his pokacular machine, orients it towards myndzi, and powers it on the HI setting
15:31:49 <oerjan> that is not a word although http://www.google.no/search?q=pogacalar&biw=1149&bih=641&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=Kt0UUviUMuWJ7AaWiYCoCA&ved=0CC0QsAQ
15:32:48 <Phantom__Hoover> boily, myndzi is a cyborg
15:32:50 <boily> foiled by norwegian pastries again.
15:33:02 <oerjan> boily: i think they're turkish, actually
15:33:02 * boily throws a fternooner at oerjan
15:33:03 <Phantom__Hoover> by which i mean a human who also has a bot attached to his nick
15:33:20 <elliott> Phantom__Hoover: please remove your excess underscore
15:33:26 <elliott> need to use my /query
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15:33:44 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: stop applying logical razors. hth.
15:34:41 <oerjan> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poga%C4%8Da
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15:35:23 <boily> I suddenly feel hungrier...
15:37:28 <oerjan> *MWAHAHAHA*
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16:03:12 <myndzi> well i am somewhat of a metalhead :V
16:03:30 <myndzi> i'm super sad my pretty clean code for that stick figure dude got trashed, it's just depressing to hack it into shape :(
16:03:40 <myndzi> .. \m/ \m/
16:03:45 <myndzi> lolwut
16:04:35 <Bike> oh no
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16:06:27 <Roujo> \m/ \m/
16:06:32 <Roujo> ............ \m/ \m/
16:06:34 <Roujo> No?
16:06:37 <myndzi> yeah, i have no idea
16:06:39 <myndzi> it's super weird
16:06:42 <Roujo> `? myndzi
16:06:44 <HackEgo> myndzi keeps us all on our feet
16:06:48 <Roujo> Right
16:06:50 <myndzi> HA
16:06:51 <Roujo> `? `?
16:06:52 <HackEgo> ​`? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:06:53 <myndzi> |
16:06:53 <myndzi> o/`¯º
16:07:00 <Roujo> Ah, here it is
16:07:03 <myndzi> i saw
16:07:04 <Roujo> Off-by-one, but eh
16:07:17 <myndzi> it hasn't been right since i went to mirc 7
16:07:27 <myndzi> unicode differences and such
16:07:28 <Roujo> Awww =/
16:07:45 <myndzi> i mean, i fixed a lot of it but i wrote that shit years ago and it's ugly as hell
16:07:56 <myndzi> i rewrote it all nice and my hard drive crashed D:
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16:08:40 <myndzi> !wumpus
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16:10:59 <FreeFull> The wumpus eats you. The end.
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16:11:15 <myndzi> i have a script for it :)
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16:11:22 <myndzi> was just seeing that it responded
16:11:58 <myndzi> apparently the dcc server part is broke too, god dammit
16:12:06 <myndzi> i should just roll back to mirc 6 and be done with it :P
16:12:15 <myndzi> i don't even do this shit anymore
16:12:44 <myndzi> oh
16:12:47 <myndzi> i'm doing it wrong :P
16:13:09 <myndzi> woot.
16:14:21 <Roujo> !wumpus
16:14:30 <Roujo> Oh god, DCC
16:14:38 <myndzi> it's got too much text to play over irc
16:14:45 <Roujo> Nice
16:14:46 <myndzi> it's also multiplayer :D
16:14:51 <Roujo> Does it work atm? =D
16:14:55 <myndzi> i believe so
16:15:20 <myndzi> you can also telnet or dccserver chat it, though i think the ports probably don't forward atm
16:15:40 <myndzi> and i should rehost the maps
16:15:51 <myndzi> i've found it to be a lot of fun
16:17:34 <myndzi> why the hell doesn't one of the simplest clauses in the regex match :|
16:18:45 <myndzi> HA
16:18:47 <myndzi> oh geez
16:18:55 <myndzi> i put a . at the end of it
16:19:03 <myndzi> so it needed a character on the right side (shouldn't)
16:19:09 <myndzi> symmetry, my mortal enemy!
16:19:14 <myndzi> . \m/ \m/
16:19:22 <myndzi> well, it triggered anyway
16:19:28 <myndzi> now wtf
16:19:40 <myndzi> oh yeah
16:19:42 <myndzi> there's two regexes :P
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16:23:11 <Phantom_Hoover> myndzi, are you going to make it properly justified
16:23:15 <myndzi> . \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/ \m/
16:23:15 <myndzi> `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´ `\o/´
16:23:16 <myndzi> | | | | | | | | |
16:23:17 <myndzi> (_|¯´\ /`\ /`¯|_) /`\ (_|¯`¯|_) /'\ (_|¯´\ /'\ /'¯|_)
16:23:17 <myndzi> |_) (_| |_) (_| (_| |_) (_| |_) |_) (_| |_) (_|
16:23:19 <myndzi> \o/
16:23:19 <myndzi> |
16:23:19 <myndzi> >\
16:23:27 <myndzi> what do you mean?
16:23:42 <myndzi> `?
16:23:43 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:23:44 <myndzi> |
16:23:44 <myndzi> o/`¯º
16:23:44 <Phantom_Hoover> justify it by the nick-message separator, not by the start of the nick
16:23:56 <myndzi> how should i know what your nick-message separator is?
16:24:10 <myndzi> and how can i output text that conforms to everybody's different display settings?
16:24:20 <myndzi> answer that and i'll think about it :)
16:24:40 <myndzi> `?
16:24:42 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:24:42 <myndzi> |
16:24:43 <myndzi> º¯`\o
16:24:59 <myndzi> \o/ ¯\(°_o)/¯ c.c \o\ \m/ \m/ /o/
16:25:00 <myndzi> | | c.c.c | `\o/´ |
16:25:00 <myndzi> >\ º¯`\o c.c /< | |\
16:25:00 <myndzi> /´\
16:25:00 <myndzi> (_| |_)
16:25:12 <myndzi> thought it'd be something like that, let's see
16:25:39 <Taneb> c.c
16:25:40 <myndzi> c.c.c
16:25:40 <myndzi> c.c
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16:26:05 <oerjan> fizzie: um why has fungot reverted to an ancient version of ^celebrate :(
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16:26:06 <fungot> oerjan: and the lines wrap" attribute there. you know. then they learned about functional languages.) yes. we discussed that. can you just change it to
16:26:35 <oerjan> ^prefixes
16:26:35 <fungot> Bot prefixes: fungot ^, HackEgo `, EgoBot !, lambdabot @ or ?, thutubot +, metasepia ~, jconn ) , blsqbot !
16:26:48 <oerjan> ok that one's right
16:26:57 <fizzie> oerjan: I don't know :(
16:27:05 <Bike> an ancient pagan celebration
16:27:41 <oerjan> `pastelogs def celebrate
16:28:13 <myndzi> `?
16:28:18 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.25501
16:28:19 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:28:19 <myndzi> |
16:28:19 <myndzi> º¯`\o
16:28:23 <myndzi> that's really weird
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16:28:35 <myndzi> it lines up for me in my test channel
16:28:36 <myndzi> :o
16:28:45 <myndzi> maybe nick length discrepancy is factoring in somehow
16:29:07 <oerjan> ^def celebrate ul (\o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/)S
16:29:07 <fungot> Defined.
16:29:14 <oerjan> ^celebrate
16:29:14 <fungot> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
16:29:15 <myndzi> | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´ | c.c.c ¦ `\o/´ ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c |
16:29:15 <myndzi> /< c.c /'\ /< | | |\ c.c ´¸¨ | /^\|/| c.c /<
16:29:16 <myndzi> (_|¯´¯|_) /´\
16:29:16 <myndzi> (_| |_)
16:29:24 <myndzi> haha
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16:29:35 <myndzi> some of those chars fuck up the monospacing :(
16:29:36 <oerjan> fizzie: plz ^save twh
16:30:31 <oerjan> myndzi: that looks fine in irssi. well except for that weird guy just right of the middle.
16:30:50 <myndzi> lol
16:30:54 <myndzi> yeah
16:31:09 <myndzi> some windows font is getting subbed in for the cane shape and something
16:31:32 <myndzi> ¯
16:31:37 <myndzi> huh, that should be in this font
16:31:41 <Roujo> ^def def ul (hai)S
16:31:41 <fungot> Defined.
16:31:51 <Roujo> ^def
16:31:51 <fungot> hai
16:31:53 <Roujo> ^def def
16:31:53 <fungot> Usage: ^def <command> <lang> <code>
16:31:59 <oerjan> wat
16:32:12 <Roujo> ^^
16:32:20 <myndzi> wtf inconsolata
16:32:24 <myndzi> i'm inconsolable :(
16:32:37 <AnotherTest> ^def a brainfuck +.
16:32:37 <fungot> Usage: ^def <command> <lang> <code>
16:32:41 <myndzi> ah there it is, just looks short and stunted
16:32:47 <AnotherTest> ^def a bf +.
16:32:47 <fungot> Defined.
16:32:51 <AnotherTest> ^a
16:32:51 <fungot> <CTCP>
16:32:57 <AnotherTest> heh
16:33:24 <AnotherTest> ^def a bf +[.]
16:33:24 <fungot> Defined.
16:33:26 <myndzi> `?
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16:33:27 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:33:28 <myndzi> |
16:33:28 <myndzi> o/`¯º
16:33:31 <AnotherTest> ^a
16:33:42 <myndzi> :​? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:33:43 <myndzi> |
16:33:43 <myndzi> o/`¯º
16:33:50 <AnotherTest> ^a
16:33:55 <Roujo> That's a... nice CTCP request?
16:33:58 <myndzi> apparently hackego is sending a unicode ? of some kind o_O
16:34:10 <fizzie> Roujo: Very oerjany CTCP request.
16:34:24 <myndzi> <CTCP>ping 0<CTCP>
16:35:02 <AnotherTest> ^languages
16:35:05 <fizzie> I don't know if I want to save that "a".
16:35:47 <AnotherTest> ^def a bf +++++++++++++[.]
16:35:47 <fungot> Defined.
16:35:50 <AnotherTest> ^a
16:35:50 <fungot> ............................................................................................................................................................................................................... ...
16:36:04 <AnotherTest> those are supposed to be newlines
16:36:05 <fizzie> oerjan: The built-in ^def only fires if there's a space after the command (it checks for "^def "), so plain "^def" hits the def'd def.
16:36:16 <fizzie> AnotherTest: For obvious reasons they get filtered.
16:36:39 <fizzie> ^save
16:36:39 <fungot> OK.
16:36:40 <oerjan> myndzi: oh hm HackEgo prepends a zero-width space for botloop prevention
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16:37:05 <AnotherTest> ^def a bf [][[][]][[][
16:37:05 <fungot> Mismatched [].
16:37:08 <AnotherTest> oh :(
16:37:19 <AnotherTest> ^def a bf [+]
16:37:19 <fungot> Defined.
16:37:23 <AnotherTest> ^a
16:37:31 <AnotherTest> ^def a bf [+-]
16:37:31 <fungot> Defined.
16:37:34 <AnotherTest> ^a
16:37:37 <oerjan> `? macaroni
16:37:39 <HackEgo> macaroni? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:37:39 <myndzi> |
16:37:39 <myndzi> º¯`\o
16:37:43 <AnotherTest> ^def a bf [+-].
16:37:44 <fungot> Defined.
16:37:45 <oerjan> `? ***
16:37:46 <AnotherTest> ^a
16:37:47 <HackEgo> ​***? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:37:47 <myndzi> |
16:37:47 <myndzi> º¯`\o
16:37:57 <AnotherTest> fungot :(
16:37:57 <fungot> AnotherTest: when you try to use that
16:37:59 <elliott> what is with all the bot spam the past few days?
16:38:00 <myndzi> oerjan: makes sense, script doesn't understand zero width spaces though
16:38:06 <fizzie> AnotherTest: [...] at the start of a program will never run.
16:38:15 <AnotherTest> ^def a bf .[+-].
16:38:15 <fungot> Defined.
16:38:16 <AnotherTest> oh ok
16:38:18 <AnotherTest> ^a
16:38:19 <myndzi> it assumes a unicode character is 1 block wide in monospace font
16:38:26 <AnotherTest> ^a
16:38:27 <myndzi> i should be able to filter it out
16:38:28 <AnotherTest> do it fungot
16:38:29 <fungot> AnotherTest: http://xs128.xs.to/ xs128/ 08266/ picture5214.png the circularity is definitely there restricted to what i like so much fun
16:38:30 <oerjan> elliott: myndzi is fixing his script
16:38:33 <myndzi> FEFF right?
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16:38:57 <fizzie> AnotherTest: Having a . in front of the [] will not make it run either. A ".[+-]." is equivalent to "..".
16:39:04 <AnotherTest> fizzie: what are the suport languages
16:39:10 <scoofy> which is your favorite esolang?
16:39:12 <AnotherTest> *supported
16:39:13 <fizzie> AnotherTest: Just brainfuck and Underload.
16:39:15 <fizzie> ^help
16:39:15 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
16:39:28 <myndzi> `?
16:39:29 <AnotherTest> ^show whatisthis
16:39:30 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:39:31 <myndzi> |
16:39:31 <myndzi> º¯`\o
16:39:34 <oerjan> `ord > ​*
16:39:35 <HackEgo> 62 32 8203 42
16:39:36 <elliott> oerjan: well ok. but I meant before that too.
16:39:50 <AnotherTest> ^bool
16:39:50 <fungot> No.
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16:39:52 <AnotherTest> ^bool
16:39:52 <fungot> Yes.
16:39:53 <myndzi> i'm spamming mostly to myself but i don't know quite how to reproduce the above output
16:39:54 <myndzi> :P
16:39:59 <fizzie> AnotherTest: It shows a command.
16:40:00 <fizzie> ^show
16:40:00 <fungot> echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a
16:40:00 <oerjan> > showHex 8203 ""
16:40:01 <myndzi> it doesn't appear to be a zero width space
16:40:02 <lambdabot> "200b"
16:40:05 <fizzie> ^show wc
16:40:05 <fungot> []
16:40:09 <fizzie> ^show cho
16:40:10 <fungot> >,[>,]<[<]>[[.>]<[<]>[-]>]
16:40:11 <oerjan> myndzi: 200B actually
16:40:18 <fizzie> (What's that wc for?)
16:40:19 <AnotherTest> ^wiki hm
16:40:19 <fungot> http://esolangs.org/wiki/hm
16:40:27 <AnotherTest> ^rainbow a
16:40:27 <fungot> a
16:40:31 <AnotherTest> ^rainbow
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16:40:35 <myndzi> lol
16:40:35 <fizzie> ^rainbow something
16:40:35 <fungot> something
16:40:39 <myndzi> feff is zero-width non-breaking
16:40:43 <myndzi> why the hell
16:40:49 <Roujo> ^def something as something
16:40:49 <fungot> Usage: ^def <command> <lang> <code>
16:41:00 <AnotherTest> ^rainbow This is actually nice. It reminds me of `relcome, which is not so nice after all.
16:41:00 <fungot> This is actually nice. It reminds me of `relcome, w ...
16:41:12 <AnotherTest> ^hw mh
16:41:13 <fungot> Hello World!
16:41:23 <AnotherTest> ^pow2 123456789
16:41:24 <fungot> 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 32768 65536 131072 262144 524288 1048576 2097152 4194304 8388608 16777216 33554432 67108864 134217728 268435456 536870912 1073741824 2147483648 42949672 ...
16:41:30 <Roujo> ^relcome ~echo ^rainbow
16:41:34 <AnotherTest> ^pow2 -1
16:41:34 <fungot> 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 256 512 1024 2048 4096 8192 16384 32768 65536 131072 262144 524288 1048576 2097152 4194304 8388608 16777216 33554432 67108864 134217728 268435456 536870912 1073741824 2147483648 42949672 ...
16:41:41 <fizzie> It doesn't take any input.
16:41:54 <AnotherTest> ^elikoski
16:41:55 <fungot> eliott elliot eliott eliott elliot elliott eliot elliot eliott elliot elliot eliott eliott elliot eliott eliot elliot elliott eliott elliot eliott eliott elliot elliot eliott eliot elliott eliott elliot eliott eliott elliot elliott eliot elliot eliott eliott elliot elliot eliott elliot elliott eliot elliot elliott eliott e ...too much output!
16:41:59 <AnotherTest> oh no
16:42:03 <AnotherTest> what did I do
16:42:06 <Roujo> `relcome ~echo rainbow
16:42:08 <HackEgo> ~echo: rainbow: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
16:42:09 <myndzi> perchance can someone verify this supposed zero width space? mirc debug output is showing â? which isn't right
16:42:18 <Roujo> Awww, the : messes it up =P
16:42:36 <myndzi> oh, ignore me
16:42:41 <myndzi> what nonsense
16:42:42 <AnotherTest> ^rainbow `relcome Test...
16:42:42 <fungot> `relcome Test...
16:42:52 <myndzi> how can it display ascii bytes AND unicode :|
16:43:06 <AnotherTest> ^echo `relcome Test...
16:43:06 <fungot> `relcome Test... `relcome Test...
16:43:09 <HackEgo> Test...: `relcome: Test...: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
16:43:43 <fizzie> myndzi: My logs say the raw bytes are e2 80 8b which is the correct UTF-8 of U+200B ZERO WIDTH SPACE, as far as I can tell.
16:43:59 <myndzi> yeah, improper assumption on my part
16:44:30 <myndzi> or some sort of mangling because it looks like i'm getting 3882
16:44:31 <myndzi> lol
16:45:12 <myndzi> multiple levels of mangling even, can't trust clipboard or debug output either :(
16:45:34 <AnotherTest> ^echo ^echo hi
16:45:34 <fungot> ^echo hi ^echo hi
16:45:45 <AnotherTest> too bad, it ignores itself
16:45:51 <AnotherTest> fizzie: admit that was a nice try
16:45:59 <elliott> it doesn't ignore itself.
16:46:00 <myndzi> btw, i imagine any client that supports ZWS also supports chr(15)
16:46:03 <elliott> that's just not how the IRC protocol works
16:46:10 <myndzi> which is an easier bot-loop protector imo
16:46:24 <AnotherTest> elliott: so i tdoes ignore itself
16:46:27 <myndzi> no
16:46:28 <ion> (Btw, the IRC protocol works in a sucky way.)
16:46:31 <myndzi> the irc server never sends a message
16:46:36 <myndzi> that comes "from" the bot
16:46:37 <myndzi> to the bot
16:46:40 <AnotherTest> yes, so it gets ignored
16:46:43 <Roujo> ^echo %echo hi
16:46:43 <fungot> %echo hi %echo hi
16:46:43 <Emilie> hi %echo hi
16:46:47 * myndzi facepalms
16:46:48 <Roujo> Crap
16:46:54 <AnotherTest> `echo hi
16:46:55 <HackEgo> hi
16:46:57 <myndzi> ignore implies it was sent and nothing was done about it
16:47:01 <ion> “which is an easier bot-loop protector imo” How about just following the RFC hth
16:47:02 <myndzi> it wasn't sent at all
16:47:05 <AnotherTest> `echo ^echo `echo hi
16:47:06 <HackEgo> ​^echo `echo hi
16:47:12 <fizzie> ion: The RFC is last millennium hth
16:47:13 <myndzi> ion: send all bot responses to the channel as notices? :P
16:47:16 <Roujo> `echo %echo ~echo ^echo Hai
16:47:17 <HackEgo> ​%echo ~echo ^echo Hai
16:47:23 <Roujo> Right
16:47:24 <AnotherTest> oh right, fungot doesn't respond to hackego
16:47:24 <fungot> AnotherTest: also what about newlib? aren't non-lambda rhs just normal " arguments" to be different.
16:47:28 <Roujo> That fucking character
16:47:37 <Roujo> Nobody responds to HackEgo
16:47:47 <Roujo> It follows that HackEgo must be a jerk
16:47:49 <zzo38> You should just follow the RFC
16:47:49 <AnotherTest> Roujo: time to make a bot that does
16:48:00 <Roujo> AnotherTest: Challenge accepted
16:48:03 <AnotherTest> also it should change names often so fizzie can't ignore it
16:48:07 <zzo38> And furthermore make your bot strip invisible characters when accepting commands
16:48:07 <Roujo> zzo38: What does the RFC say?
16:48:12 <Roujo> Oh
16:48:14 <Roujo> Sure
16:48:21 <myndzi> `?
16:48:23 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:48:24 <myndzi> |
16:48:24 <myndzi> o/`¯º
16:48:28 <Roujo> `? ~echo
16:48:30 <HackEgo> ​~echo? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:48:30 <myndzi> |
16:48:30 <myndzi> o/`¯º
16:48:31 <Roujo> Right
16:48:34 <myndzi> heh raw binary output
16:48:40 <Roujo> Okay, I'll work on it
16:48:43 <Roujo> Stripping stuff
16:48:53 <Roujo> I'm sure Emily can strip if I try hard enough
16:48:53 <myndzi> i have so many crazy scripts
16:48:55 <myndzi> 58 72 97 99 107 69 103 111 33 100 108 111 112 101 110 64 108 105 98 100 108 46 115 111 32 80 82 73 86 77 83 71 32 35 101 115 111 116 101 114 105 99 32 58 226 128 139 63 32 194 175 92 40 194 176 95 111 41 47 194 175 13 10
16:48:59 <myndzi> i think that's the line
16:49:42 <fizzie> 226 128 139 is indeed e2 80 8b.
16:49:48 <myndzi> yup
16:50:00 <myndzi> this reminded me of another script i never loaded though
16:50:00 <boily> back from lunch! my absence spontaneified myndzi!
16:50:02 <myndzi> so i'm finding it :P
16:50:07 -!- AnotherTest has changed nick to FungotAnnoy.
16:50:08 <FungotAnnoy> Hi
16:50:16 -!- FungotAnnoy has changed nick to AnotherTest.
16:50:25 <AnotherTest> Ok I was hopping for some really bad programming
16:50:28 <myndzi> i don't even remember what it's called
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16:50:41 <AnotherTest> I will write this bot
16:50:41 <Roujo> zzo38: What part of the RFC should I be following again?
16:50:46 <fizzie> AnotherTest: Even if it did look at the nick, it's case-sensitive about its name.
16:50:50 <AnotherTest> (in revenge of samamntus)
16:50:57 -!- AnotherTest has changed nick to fungot_annoy.
16:50:59 <fungot_annoy> hi
16:51:04 <fizzie> (It doesn't look at the nick.)
16:51:05 -!- fungot_annoy has changed nick to AnotherTest.
16:51:06 <AnotherTest> ok
16:51:13 <fizzie> (It was just a hypothetical.)
16:51:24 <AnotherTest> fizzie: soon samantus shall be revenged
16:51:25 <ion> roujo: The RFC specifies PRIVMSG as the human message command and NOTICE as the bot message command. Bots are only allowed to trigger stuff from human messages and send stuff as bot messages. Therefore, no bot loops ever. As an additional bonus you can easily skip over the low-priority bot messages in a discussion when your IRC client e.g. colors them differently. Unfortunately, certain IRC clients default
16:51:27 <ion> to making a huge show about NOTICEs even though they are the low-priority messages, and not enough users bother to report it as a bug or even to change their configuration, but they do bother to make a huge noise about it on IRC whenever bots do the right thing. So we have ended up in a situation where many bots just use PRIVMSG and have nasty hacks that may or may not work to prevent bot loops.
16:51:28 <myndzi> Roujo: i presume he's referring to automated responses should be notices and requests that trigger them should be privmsg
16:51:49 <fizzie> ion: TL;DR hth
16:52:00 <zzo38> ion: And I suggest actually following the RFC instead
16:52:09 <zzo38> If your client is broken then you need to get a different client
16:52:10 <Roujo> ion: myndzi: zzo38: Nice, nice. Thanks.
16:52:28 <zzo38> myndzi: Yes
16:52:58 <fizzie> ion: ("many bots" is perhaps a bit of an understatement, it's probably really "most".)
16:53:33 <boily> btw, why was I unashamedly CTCPed?
16:53:45 <myndzi> also lol @ ion
16:53:54 <Roujo> It's fungot's fault
16:53:55 <fungot> Roujo: i don't know if it's believable to have hayfever in march.
16:53:55 <elliott> if the excessive botspam starts showing up in NOTICE colour I will be sorely tempted to /part.
16:53:58 <myndzi> sorta like people complaining about highlights but even less egregious
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16:55:33 <Roujo> myndzi: Wait what?
16:56:00 <ion> In terminals with ANSI colors, a good color for notices is the “bright black” a.k.a. dark gray.
16:56:23 <ion> At least if you have a dark background color.
16:56:31 <myndzi> Roujo: it is common in some groups of people on irc to complain about "over-using highlights"
16:56:42 <myndzi> which is a client feature that alerts the user when some matching text (usually their name) is sent
16:56:44 <Roujo> Rofl
16:56:45 <Roujo> Okay
16:56:57 <Roujo> I was wondering what you were referring to, that's all ^^
16:57:06 <myndzi> ITS ANNOYING
16:57:08 <zzo38> If they don't want that they should change the configure of your client (or change your name, if that is the problem)
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16:57:14 <Roujo> myndzi: But it's fuuuuuun
16:57:17 <Bike> `ls wisdom
16:57:18 <HackEgo> As the wisdom directory contains many files named after nicks, listing it in public annoys people. Try `pastewisdom instead.
16:57:24 <Bike> very lol, imo.
16:57:27 <myndzi> hmmm
16:57:29 <myndzi> asshole.mrc
16:57:31 <myndzi> i wonder what's in this one
16:57:38 <Roujo> Death
16:57:41 <myndzi> HAHAHA
16:57:44 <myndzi> i forgot
16:57:49 <myndzi> in #scripting on dalnet one time
16:58:02 <Bike> dalnet??? worst network
16:58:03 <myndzi> i wrote this script that kicked anybody who didn't follow the instructions given in the topic
16:58:11 <myndzi> and if they repeated it banned them
16:58:19 <zzo38> `/bin/ls wisdom
16:58:20 <HackEgo> ​` \ `? \ _̰̆̓_̦̻̖͍̟̖̅ͭͭͬ͡_͉̭ͧ͒̐_̯͙̬̬̦̯͂͋͒ͧ͋̋_̴̝̔̉̅ͨ͞ \ ? \ ?? \ @ \ ⊥ \ ⌨ \ ☃ \ 🐐 \ ̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚҉̕͜͠͠҉̡̧̛
16:58:24 <myndzi> else kick $chan $nick Hey, maybe you can catch the topic on your way back in!
16:58:25 <scoofy> ah
16:58:29 <zzo38> I don't see any names.
16:58:52 <Bike> zzo38: there are more lines.
16:58:53 <oerjan> zzo38: they've been shuffled out by all the weird unicode
16:58:54 <ion> myndzi: heh
16:58:59 <Bike> `run /bin/ls wisdom | tail
16:59:00 <HackEgo> welcome.bork \ welcome.es \ wercome \ west midlands \ wiki \ wisdom \ wisisis "This isn't an actual wisdom, just a tribute." \ you \ zomgmodules \ zzo38
16:59:08 <Bike> look, it's you!
16:59:12 <Bike> `? you
16:59:14 <HackEgo> you a haskell
16:59:21 <zzo38> Bike: Yes, it doesn't matter
16:59:22 <Bike> wow
16:59:31 <Bike> `? wisisis
16:59:32 <zzo38> I can see "you"
16:59:33 <HackEgo> wisisis? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:59:33 <myndzi> |
16:59:33 <myndzi> º¯`\o
16:59:42 <Bike> `? wisisis "This isn't an actual wisdom, just a tribute."
16:59:43 <HackEgo> wisisis "This isn't an actual wisdom, just a tribute."? ¯\(°_o)/¯
16:59:44 <myndzi> |
16:59:44 <myndzi> o/`¯º
16:59:47 <Bike> amazing.
17:00:02 <zzo38> `run /bin/ls wisdom | shuf
17:00:03 <HackEgo> misspellings of croissant \ 🐐 \ bc \ cyberiad \ firefly \ context \ egobot \ northumberland \ thyme \ megalun \ phantom___hoover \ partial order \ d \ sgeo \ object \ maths \ ☃ \ résumé \ isomorphism \ devious \ hello \ inverness \ gazspacho \ itidus21 \ eurovision \ mojibake \ lettuce \ internationale \ everyone \ elliott \ bird \ nah \ cak
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17:01:14 <boily> croissant! c'est juste des croissants! ÇA SE MISSPELLE PAS, UN CROISSANT! AAAAAAAAAAARRRRGH!
17:01:32 <Roujo> Sure!
17:01:36 <Roujo> croisant
17:01:37 <Roujo> ^
17:01:39 <oerjan> `? misspellings of croissant
17:01:41 <HackEgo> misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
17:01:41 <myndzi> |
17:01:41 <myndzi> º¯`\o
17:01:45 <Roujo> Rofl
17:01:47 <Roujo> THERE WE GO
17:01:53 * boily slaps Roujo with a French pastry
17:01:59 <Roujo> %slap boily
17:02:00 * Emilie slaps boily around with a large trout.
17:02:01 <elliott> dear god, can we please leave the bots alone for one hour.
17:02:06 <Roujo> Sure =P
17:02:12 <ion> elliott: It’s #esoteric. What do you think?
17:02:20 <elliott> ion: indeed :/
17:02:27 <myndzi> finally found it
17:02:30 <boily> elliott: we will behave. I'm on a meeting for about the next hour, so no abuse from me.
17:02:33 <myndzi> 58 72 97 99 107 69
17:02:54 <myndzi> suppose i have to load first
17:03:02 <myndzi> 58 72 97 99 107 69
17:03:06 <myndzi> 10:02.41 (myndzi; b10) :HackE
17:03:08 <myndzi> :D
17:03:13 <myndzi> automatic base conversion ftw
17:03:51 <Roujo> 58 72 97 99 107 69
17:03:57 <myndzi> it's local display
17:03:59 <Roujo> Oh
17:04:02 <Roujo> Cool, cool
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17:04:05 <myndzi> i can make a trigger i suppose :P
17:04:10 <myndzi> wait, i have one
17:04:10 <myndzi> lol
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17:04:13 <myndzi> !debase 58 72 97 99 107 69 103 111 33 100 108 111 112 101 110 64 108 105 98 100 108 46 115 111 32 80 82 73 86 77 83 71 32 35 101 115 111 116 101 114 105 99 32 58 226 128 139 63 32 194 175 92 40 194 176 95 111 41 47 194 175 13 10
17:04:14 <myndzi> debase (base 10): :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​? ¯\(°_o)/¯
17:04:15 <myndzi> |
17:04:16 <myndzi> º¯`\o
17:04:32 <myndzi> it'll take any base from 2 to 36
17:04:36 <myndzi> delimited or padded
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17:08:19 <myndzi> final test?
17:08:20 <myndzi> `?
17:08:21 <HackEgo> ​? ¯\(°_o)/¯
17:08:22 <myndzi> |
17:08:22 <myndzi> º¯`\o
17:08:27 <myndzi> cool
17:08:42 <myndzi> i'll deal with the other thing some other time (god knows why shit's misaligned above)
17:08:46 <oerjan> `? quiche
17:08:48 <HackEgo> quiche? ¯\(°_o)/¯
17:08:48 <myndzi> |
17:08:48 <myndzi> o/`¯º
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17:19:47 <FireFly> Huh.
17:20:00 <FireFly> Somehow [19:15:48] <HackEgo> misspellings of croissant \
17:20:12 <FireFly> is highlighted as to have nickpinged me..
17:20:34 * FireFly eyes weechat
17:22:13 <oerjan> FireFly: yes, it contains your nick later in the line
17:24:28 <FireFly> I guess I'm not getting the line rendered correctly then. Here's what I see: http://i.imgur.com/WMxSuhJ.png
17:25:24 <oerjan> FireFly: the next item is a unicode character, possibly the infamous goat
17:25:33 <Roujo> <HackEgo> misspellings of croissant \ PROBABLY_A_GOAT \ bc \ cyberiad \ firefly \ context \ egobot \ northumberland \ thyme \ megalun \ phantom___hoover \ partial order \ d \ sgeo \ object \ maths \ ☃ \ résumé \ isomorphism \ devious \ hello \ inverness \ gazspacho \ itidus21 \ eurovision \ mojibake \ lettuce \ internationale \ everyone \ elliott \ bird \ nah \ cak
17:25:44 <FireFly> Oh
17:26:38 <Bike> `? misspellings of croissant
17:26:40 <HackEgo> misspellings of crosant? ¯\(°_o)/¯
17:26:40 <myndzi> |
17:26:40 <myndzi> º¯`\o
17:26:46 <Bike> well played.
17:27:07 <Bike> `? cyberiad
17:27:09 <HackEgo> The Cyberiad is not just a book.
17:27:20 <FireFly> `? gazspacho
17:27:21 <HackEgo> gazspacho is a hungarian szoup, tradizsonally szerved cold for hot szummer dayz
17:30:29 <zzo38> Is there a C library for a MUD and which is cross-platform and FSF/OSI compatible?
17:31:05 <myndzi> i don't think any muds come in library form
17:31:18 <myndzi> but i do know that dead souls is the closest lpc thing to rom
17:31:24 <myndzi> and is under active development last i checked
17:31:35 <myndzi> dunno how cross platform it is but i believe it runs on windows too
17:31:37 <myndzi> (not sure if cygwin)
17:31:50 <myndzi> http://dead-souls.net/
17:31:55 <myndzi> lol, it calls it a library right there
17:31:56 <myndzi> o well
17:32:17 <myndzi> also LPC is a hell of a lot cooler than anything ROM derivatives can offer
17:32:46 <myndzi> but i think what most people have in mind by 'MUD' is more ROM-style (hack and slash & grinding etc. not social/roleplaying)
17:32:55 <myndzi> which is why i'm glad dead souls exists :)
17:33:01 <zzo38> I mean one that does both really
17:33:13 <myndzi> a code base
17:33:15 <zzo38> And I intend to modify to penalize too much grinding
17:33:24 <myndzi> you should definitely check out DS
17:33:42 <zzo38> I mean one that does (hack and slash & grinding etc. *and* social/roleplaying) but that can be modified
17:33:45 <myndzi> the rooms and interactions are programmed in a mud-specific variant of C inside the game itself
17:33:50 <myndzi> right
17:34:05 <myndzi> the problem with rom is it's really hard to extend in dynamic ways
17:34:09 <zzo38> When searching I found a whole bunch of broken links mostly
17:34:22 <myndzi> it's about as complex as ms-dos batch in terms of scripting mob interactions and the like
17:34:33 <myndzi> lpc gives you a whole array of tools (like variables)
17:34:34 <myndzi> :P
17:34:47 <myndzi> it comes from MOO territory though, which is more .. esoteric?
17:34:58 <myndzi> most moos don't have any sort of setting/combat/leveling system
17:35:06 <myndzi> which is why lots of mud players stick to rom variants
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17:36:17 <myndzi> also interesting is that dead souls hooks up to a sort of meta-mud chatline, so you can basically chat with the devs from your own mud and whatever as you work on stuff
17:36:45 <myndzi> to be honest i wish i had the time or motivation to play with it more ;(
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17:37:03 <Bike> what
17:37:07 <Bike> FungotDestroyer: what
17:37:15 <Bike> fungot: what
17:37:15 <fungot> Bike: is your name?" " because it sucks.
17:37:24 <Bike> fuck. do the destruction
17:37:27 <AnotherTest> `echo ^echo ^echo
17:37:32 <HackEgo> ​^echo ^echo
17:37:38 <AnotherTest> well
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17:37:48 <Phantom_Hoover> ^ignore
17:37:49 <myndzi> (so if you do go that route, leave me a message or something, i'd be interested to check it out)
17:37:54 <AnotherTest> it doesn'nt quite work yet
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17:38:54 <elliott> dare I ask what it is meant to do?
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17:38:58 <AnotherTest> `echo ^echo ^echo
17:38:59 <HackEgo> ​^echo ^echo
17:39:10 <Phantom_Hoover> impressive
17:39:12 <AnotherTest> yes
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17:39:49 <zzo38> Since some players might not want some things I put it, I can make it options one thing I want to add is a "difficulty menu", so that you can add "balanced experience" (meaning that if you defeat anyone of a lower level than you then you lose experience points instead)
17:40:01 <fizzie> AIUI, it's some sort of a revenge.
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17:40:12 <AnotherTest> fizzie: the revenge of the samantus
17:40:28 <AnotherTest> `echo ^echo ^echo
17:40:29 <HackEgo> ​^echo ^echo
17:40:53 <AnotherTest> I'm actually just trying to reply to hackego, since there doesn't exist a bot yet that replies to it
17:41:04 <fizzie> I'm not entirely sure what fungot has done to earn the revenge, but "w/e".
17:41:05 <fungot> fizzie: a mean, despicable, boorish person; used the following words to describe it in english?) instances where the compiler can't make their use more transparent. while you're at such relevant topics.
17:41:10 <Roujo> Give me a second =P
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17:43:49 <myndzi> i don't know entirely what you have in mind, but considering the source channel it may prove interesting ;)
17:43:56 <myndzi> my biggest complaint with muds has always been how formulaic they are
17:44:00 <myndzi> not dynamic at all
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17:44:08 <kmc> :O
17:44:11 <zzo38> Yes I know that too
17:44:12 <AnotherTest> `echo ^echo ^echo
17:44:13 <myndzi> there was some mud that aol ran/hosted for the longest time
17:44:13 <HackEgo> ​^echo ^echo
17:44:13 <FungotDestroyer> ​^echo ^echo
17:44:17 <myndzi> that was actually crazy interesting
17:44:29 <myndzi> i think it's still up, dragon realms or some such? you have to subscribe
17:44:38 <AnotherTest> `echo `echo
17:44:40 <HackEgo> ​`echo
17:44:40 <myndzi> there was a somethingawful thread that introduced it that i can't seem to find anymore
17:44:45 <AnotherTest> `echo ^`echo
17:44:46 <HackEgo> ​^`echo
17:44:47 <FungotDestroyer> ​^`echo
17:44:50 <zzo38> I tried various other MUD but none of them are very good
17:44:54 <myndzi> but it described all the interesting ways they added some of that dynamism into it
17:44:55 <AnotherTest> aha
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17:45:04 <myndzi> +
17:45:21 <zzo38> But I think a difficulty menu would be good idea
17:45:24 <myndzi> unless you want to write your own codebase, the best you can do is go with one that gives you good tools
17:45:35 <myndzi> so i heartily recommend you avoid rom, rot, etc.
17:45:40 <zzo38> OK
17:45:57 <myndzi> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MUD_trees
17:46:13 <myndzi> aber is kind of an oddball from what i remember
17:46:17 <zzo38> Even if I do write my own codebase, what would help is some library
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17:46:30 <AnotherTest> `echo
17:46:31 <FungotDestroyer> echo echo
17:46:32 <HackEgo> No output.
17:46:39 <AnotherTest> ``echo
17:46:39 <FungotDestroyer> `echo `echo
17:46:40 <HackEgo> ​`echo
17:46:41 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found
17:46:41 <myndzi> do investigate dead souls
17:46:45 <zzo38> The library to automatically handle connections, database, changes at runtime, registration, and those kind of things.
17:46:51 <AnotherTest> ``echo ``echo
17:46:51 <FungotDestroyer> `echo ``echo `echo ``echo
17:46:52 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found
17:46:52 <HackEgo> ​``echo `echo ``echo
17:46:55 <elliott> you realise it's trivial to make a bot loop if you make a bot specifically to do so.
17:46:57 <myndzi> i think it'll do what you want if you are able to work with its system
17:47:13 <myndzi> and it has the extensibility
17:47:16 <AnotherTest> elliott: I'm not *just* trying to make a bot loop
17:47:35 <AnotherTest> ``echo `echo
17:47:35 <FungotDestroyer> `echo `echo `echo `echo
17:47:36 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found
17:47:36 <HackEgo> ​`echo `echo `echo
17:47:44 <Bike> this sure looks like just a bot loop
17:47:56 <AnotherTest> ``echo `echo ^echo
17:47:56 <FungotDestroyer> `echo `echo ^echo `echo `echo ^echo
17:47:57 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found
17:47:57 <HackEgo> ​`echo ^echo `echo `echo ^echo
17:48:47 <AnotherTest> ``echo#
17:48:47 <FungotDestroyer> `echo# `echo#
17:48:48 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo#: not found
17:48:48 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: echo#: not found
17:49:04 <AnotherTest> ``echo echo
17:49:05 <FungotDestroyer> `echo echo `echo echo
17:49:05 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found
17:49:06 <HackEgo> echo `echo echo
17:49:12 <Bike> ok seriously the spam is annoying.
17:49:14 <AnotherTest> ``echo `echo
17:49:14 <FungotDestroyer> `echo `echo `echo `echo
17:49:15 <HackEgo> ​/home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: `echo: not found
17:49:16 <HackEgo> ​`echo `echo `echo
17:49:18 <AnotherTest> alright
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17:49:33 <zzo38> What is license of Dead Souls MUD?
17:49:42 <myndzi> i linked the url above, one sec
17:49:47 <fizzie> I like how fungot wasn't involved there at all, despite the name.
17:49:47 <fungot> fizzie: it is to be able to
17:49:51 <myndzi> http://dead-souls.net/
17:49:54 <myndzi> got spammed out :P
17:50:42 <myndzi> http://lpmuds.net/copyright.mudos
17:51:03 <Roujo> %quit
17:51:04 <Emilie> Roujo: Alright, off I go!
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17:51:54 <myndzi> http://dead-souls.net/articles/copyright.html
17:51:56 <myndzi> more useful link
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17:52:18 <Roujo> HackEgo
17:52:19 <Roujo> You're on
17:52:31 <Roujo> `echo %echo Take that!
17:52:32 <HackEgo> ​%echo Take that!
17:52:37 <zzo38> I tried to connect but it seems I cannot disable ANSI codes
17:52:38 <Roujo> >nope
17:52:40 <Roujo> Well crap
17:53:24 <AnotherTest> Roujo: it's not just regular spaces
17:53:48 <AnotherTest> %echo hi
17:53:49 <Emilie> hi
17:53:55 <Roujo> I know
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17:54:05 <Roujo> I thought I was stripping everything I needed to =P
17:54:08 <Roujo> `test
17:54:09 <HackEgo> No output.
17:54:11 <AnotherTest> %echo ^echo %echo hi
17:54:11 <Emilie> ^echo %echo hi
17:54:11 <fungot> %echo hi %echo hi
17:54:12 <Emilie> hi %echo hi
17:54:20 <AnotherTest> oh right fungot duplicates
17:54:20 <fungot> AnotherTest: fnord/ tmp/ fnord whee, dependency graphs! http://www.spinnoff.com/ zbb/ fnord/ fnord
17:54:44 <zzo38> Is there one with a FSF/OSI compatible license (or one that has a UNIX version which is this and is completely compatible with the Windows version)?
17:54:51 <AnotherTest> ^help
17:54:51 <fungot> ^<lang> <code>; ^def <command> <lang> <code>; ^show [command]; lang=bf/ul, code=text/str:N; ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]; ^style [style]; ^bool
17:54:54 <AnotherTest> ^show
17:54:54 <fungot> echo reverb rev rot13 rev2 fib wc ul cho choo pow2 source help hw srmlebac uenlsbcmra scramble unscramble asc ord prefixes tmp test celebrate wiki chr ha rainbow rainbow2 welcome me tell eval elikoski list ping def a something
17:55:04 <Roujo> I have no idea what the character is, though
17:55:41 <AnotherTest> remove everythign that's not ascii
17:55:55 <Roujo> Yeah, I think I'll whitelist instead
17:55:58 <AnotherTest> ^eval hi
17:56:02 <Roujo> Keep only A-z0-9
17:56:07 <AnotherTest> ^test
17:56:14 <AnotherTest> ^test a
17:57:39 <AnotherTest> %echo ^eval hi
17:57:39 <Emilie> ^eval hi
17:58:06 <AnotherTest> ^str hm
17:58:06 <fungot> Usage: ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]
17:58:11 <AnotherTest> ^str 9
17:58:11 <fungot> Usage: ^str 0-9 get/set/add [text]
17:58:56 -!- ^v has changed nick to dan200.
17:58:59 <AnotherTest> ^str 1 set %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:00 <fungot> Set: %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:15 <AnotherTest> ^str 1 get
17:59:15 <fungot> %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:15 <Emilie> ^str 1 get
17:59:15 <fungot> %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:16 <Emilie> ^str 1 get
17:59:16 <fungot> %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:17 <Emilie> ^str 1 get
17:59:17 <fungot> %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:18 <Emilie> ^str 1 get
17:59:18 <fungot> %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:19 <Emilie> ^str 1 get
17:59:19 <fungot> %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:19 <AnotherTest> yay
17:59:20 <Emilie> ^str 1 get
17:59:20 <fungot> %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:21 <Emilie> ^str 1 get
17:59:21 <fungot> %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:22 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o elliott.
17:59:22 <Emilie> ^str 1 get
17:59:22 <fungot> %echo ^str 1 get
17:59:23 -!- elliott has set channel mode: +m.
17:59:27 -!- elliott has set channel mode: -m.
18:00:19 <Roujo> Wait
18:00:22 <Roujo> Bot loop?
18:00:25 <Roujo> Oops =P
18:01:29 <AnotherTest> yes, although elliott intervened
18:01:31 <zzo38> myndzi: Is there a better one?
18:01:50 <Roujo> %quit
18:01:50 <Emilie> Roujo: Alright, off I go!
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18:02:12 <boily> meetings have interesting side-effects. elliott is now op.
18:02:20 <Roujo> pls nerf
18:02:24 <elliott> if you're going to do more of them, at least make them creative quines instead of just relying on external storage :p
18:02:32 <Roujo> ^^
18:02:36 <Roujo> Will try
18:03:26 <zzo38> I am not looking for that level of library; I am looking for lower level library which is dealing with connections and so on.
18:04:21 <myndzi> zzo38: i don't know. muds are actually quite complex beasts
18:04:35 <myndzi> to my understanding, most of the available code comes in the form of a code base + patches perhaps
18:04:51 <myndzi> lower level than that, and you lose the mud-specificity
18:04:51 -!- elliott has set channel mode: -o elliott.
18:05:01 <myndzi> so you'd be looking for a 'user management library' or whatever the heck
18:05:02 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds).
18:05:58 <zzo38> Well, I am looking for FSF/OSI compliant runtime engine (or at least one where a 100% compatible UNIX version is)
18:06:32 -!- Bike has joined.
18:06:43 <zzo38> It is the runtime engine I am looking for and not the mudlib
18:07:06 <myndzi> well, you could certainly write your own mudlib
18:07:14 <myndzi> that's a lot of code to work with
18:07:30 <myndzi> most of lp muds are written IN lpc
18:07:40 <myndzi> so maybe the driver is closer to what you're looking for
18:08:19 <boily> while I still have some active neurons left in my brain and can form some coherent stuff, and just realized myndzi has been active for the past few hours...
18:08:34 <boily> myndzi: let me ask you the The Question: what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh?
18:08:38 <myndzi> har
18:08:50 <boily> har?
18:08:52 <myndzi> i'm 'around' irc quite a bit, i just don't have an awful lot to contribute to this channel
18:09:08 <boily> I'll put in 'around' and 'unknown'
18:09:39 <myndzi> i should say, i'm actively present on irc most of the day most of the time :P
18:10:09 <myndzi> i originally came here to play around with bf joust, but you guys talk about interesting stuff
18:10:17 <myndzi> i have practically no interest in esoteric programming languages howere ;)
18:10:19 <myndzi> however*
18:10:26 <elliott> boily: "around" and "har".
18:10:52 <myndzi> oh wow, i totally missed the second line
18:10:53 <myndzi> haha
18:10:59 <myndzi> bad timing
18:11:33 <myndzi> 47.272986,-120.882277 and ~ 190 :P
18:12:30 * boily falls from his chair in pure astonishment
18:12:37 <boily> a complete and useful answer!
18:12:47 <myndzi> i don't much see how it's useful but *shrug*
18:13:00 <boily> I'll have a box of chocolate delivered by ICBM for you.
18:13:14 <myndzi> be sure to send me a tracking number
18:13:28 <boily> elliott: I'm still tempted to put 'har' for the weigh.
18:13:54 <elliott> you didn't get the units of the weigh.
18:14:01 <Bike> grams
18:14:03 <myndzi> centimeters
18:14:13 <Bike> gram-centimeters per ampere
18:14:17 <elliott> you... weigh... 190 centimetres
18:14:25 <myndzi> got a problem with that?
18:14:28 <boily> Bike: ow.
18:14:31 <myndzi> i'm also 25 KB/sec tall
18:14:41 * boily facepalms
18:14:59 <boily> no chocolate for you, you vile ununitter!
18:15:15 <myndzi> boo
18:15:17 <myndzi> i was dying to taste it.
18:15:24 <boily> ok, then...
18:15:37 <boily> btw, 47,-120, that sounds an awful lot like seattle, eh?
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18:15:48 <myndzi> haha, that's a new one
18:16:02 <myndzi> never met anyone who recognized gps coords on sight
18:16:07 <myndzi> but yes, olympia
18:16:11 <Roujo> Some to think of it, scratch that
18:16:18 <boily> `relcome SingingBoyo
18:16:20 <HackEgo> SingingBoyo: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
18:16:23 <Roujo> Making Emily respond to HackEgo is breaking other stuff =P
18:16:56 <Bike> what is your bot even for
18:20:13 <AnotherTest> ù
18:20:15 <AnotherTest> %
18:20:19 <AnotherTest> %echo hi
18:20:22 <AnotherTest> oh it's gone
18:20:46 <boily> ~echo hi
18:20:46 <metasepia> hi
18:21:02 <Bike> thank' god
18:23:36 <Bike> boily: so is the esoteric centroid presently in tacoma or something
18:23:37 <boily> thank' :: (Divinity a) => (a -> a -> a) -> [a] -> a
18:23:56 <boily> Bike: if I k-means it, probably one of them yes.
18:25:23 <boily> active members are split around west coast, east coast, and scandinavia.
18:25:32 <boily> (for all practical purposes, hexham is in Finland.)
18:26:17 <boily> oh, and a few Belgians. again, Paris is in Belgium.
18:26:29 <Bike> gotcha
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18:31:48 <fizzie> Welp, what a surprise: printing doesn't work.
18:35:50 <boily> ~duck welp
18:35:51 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
18:35:56 <boily> ~duck kelp
18:35:56 <metasepia> kelp definition: any of various large brown seaweeds (order Laminariales).
18:36:40 <boily> `learn welp is humid kelp, and not at all related to toes, their hairs, and generic requests for TWHes and TDHes.
18:36:44 <HackEgo> I knew that.
18:36:53 <Bike> `? welp
18:36:55 <HackEgo> welp is humid kelp, and not at all related to toes, their hairs, and generic requests for TWHes and TDHes.
18:37:07 <kmc> shachaf and I went to the beach and we saw giant bull whip kelp (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nereocystis)
18:37:24 <fizzie> I've used the "pxlmono" driver with this before, how come it doesn't work now nyarrrr
18:37:56 <boily> 36 metres for a seaweed???
18:38:04 <kmc> yep
18:38:09 <kmc> the ones we saw were only 2 or 3 m though
18:39:56 <boily> did you sample them? how do they taste like?
18:40:39 <fizzie> Switched drivers, now it's [stopped "Filter failed"]. Sigh.
18:40:59 <boily> ~duck nyar
18:40:59 <metasepia> Software description: command line progress bar (C).
18:41:07 <Bike> mmhm
18:41:09 <fizzie> I did not know that.
18:41:27 <boily> same here. where the fungot does that come from.
18:41:27 <fungot> boily: is python a joke? ;p it might make sense
18:42:10 <boily> Roujo: WEEEEEEEEELP!
18:43:05 <Roujo> boily: Nani?
18:44:02 <boily> Roujo: fungotが怖いんだぞ…
18:44:03 <fungot> boily: so i guess a really savvy glass programmer could make some money, maybe start a home based business of a profiler to spot outright dead code. macro-generated code often has big swaths of it. i'd hate learning cobol and fortran just for getting wiki work.
18:44:05 <fizzie> I, uh, I got out... something. It's hard to describe.
18:44:08 <fizzie> It's got pixels in it.
18:44:16 <Bike> screenshot!
18:44:21 <Roujo> Picture!
18:44:28 <boily> watercolour!
18:44:43 <Bike> lithograph of fizzie's monitor
18:45:56 <Vorpal> fizzie, that sounds interesting, what is it?
18:46:46 <AnotherTest> "so i guess a really savvy glass programmer could make some money"
18:46:56 <fizzie> I don't have a scanner. I'll see if I can bother to take a picture of it after I actually get this printer working.
18:46:59 <fizzie> (Well, "if".)
18:47:15 <Vorpal> fizzie, is it pixelated?
18:47:43 <fizzie> I don't really know how it relates to the intended output at all.
18:47:48 <fizzie> But it's certainly something.
18:47:50 <Vorpal> Ouch
18:48:00 <boily> AnotherTest: a prophecy. who shall be the Chosen One to make it true?
18:48:04 <fizzie> I mean, it has darker and lighter regions.
18:48:51 <Vorpal> fizzie, well that is a start
18:49:14 <fizzie> Huh, the ljet4 driver worked okay.
18:49:28 <fizzie> I guess I'll go with that, though I don't really understand why the previously-working pxlmono would no longer work.
18:49:30 <Vorpal> Ah
18:49:40 <kmc> command line progress bars are great (I only know of pv, though)
18:49:49 <Vorpal> fizzie, it is, you get a single pixel obviously (pixel mono)
18:49:55 <fizzie> (It's a Lexmark E232, and speaks some dialect of PCL 5c/5e/6.)
18:50:11 <kmc> pickle
18:50:50 <zzo38> I tried AberMUD too but it won't compile
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18:59:11 <boily> nothing like a portion of coleslaw and a dill pickle on the side when you're having a nice smoked meat sandwich...
19:01:38 <Roujo> Sounds good
19:01:42 <Roujo> BUS
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19:15:24 <zzo38> Another feature which would interested to me is that your character name is separate from your account name, so you can write on OOC and nobody will know who you are, for example
19:15:40 <boily> ~duck ooc
19:15:40 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
19:15:42 <kmc> boily: nice
19:15:57 <kmc> i bought a bunch of http://www.mcclurespickles.com/products/pickles
19:16:03 <zzo38> (OOC = out of character)
19:16:42 <boily> oh. that ooc.
19:17:59 <boily> kmc: be sure to use rye bread for your sandwiches, and some «moutarde de meaux».
19:19:39 <kmc> bien sûr
19:20:17 <fizzie> Vorpal: This is what came out of Gutenprint: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130821-gutenprint.jpg
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19:20:35 <Bike> nice!
19:21:47 <fizzie> Bike: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20130821-tmp.png -- except slightly modified for clearer grayscale printing -- was the source.
19:21:53 <boily> that is beautiful.
19:22:27 <boily> framed and hanged in an art gallery, this could reach probably something like 50~60 CAD.
19:22:48 <kmc> nice
19:23:05 <fizzie> The text near the top edge is from a previous misprint.
19:23:06 <boily> fizzie: you could make a career out of buggy drivers.
19:23:11 <kmc> it makes me think of a barcode
19:23:34 <boily> I'm sure it symbolizes something philosophical. some kind of struggle of the classes, or something.
19:25:25 <boily> kmc: I tried to scan it with my phone. it doesn't recognize nothing :(
19:26:12 <fizzie> It's an encrypted barcode.
19:27:19 <kmc> hey did you try taking the fourier transform
19:27:25 <kmc> (or inverse fourier transform)
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19:29:02 <kmc> shachaf: thanks for sending me that paper on privacy preserving bloom filters
19:29:15 <kmc> I'm only just now reading it, but it kicked off a chain of reading other interesting crypto papers
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19:35:54 <kmc> yesterday I learned Wolfram Alpha will give you the last few digits of astronomically large numbers like http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=7^%287^%287^7%29%29
19:36:40 <Fiora> http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=graham%27s+number it doesn't do it for this :<
19:36:49 <kmc> hahaha
19:37:08 <kmc> Wikipedia has the last 10 digits though
19:37:12 <boily> sniped by Fiora.
19:37:36 <boily> meanwhile, W|A won't process “2↑3”. :(
19:38:25 <fizzie> boily: I like the interpretation it gives, though.
19:38:48 <boily> fizzie: almost, but not quite, pas pantoute what I wanted.
19:39:05 <kmc> http://crypto.2013.rump.cr.yp.to/55e2988c4ed3c9f635c9a4c3f52fa0b1.pdf Taiwan has a national LDAP directory? o_O
19:39:31 <boily> fizzie: I also tried “tetration(2, 3)”, “2 tetration 3”, “2 ^^ 3” and “2 *** 3”.
19:40:04 <boily> (I know one up-arrow is only exponentiation, but if it had went through, then 3↑↑↑↑3 :D)
19:40:52 <fizzie> boily: PowerTower[x,y] works for tetration in Mathematica, but apparently not in W|A.
19:40:56 <kmc> i love this "download all the keys and GCD them" thing
19:41:05 <oklofok> wtf @ wolfram alpha's definition of graham's number
19:41:38 <Vorpal> fizzie, wow
19:41:54 <Vorpal> fizzie, is that letter at the top?
19:42:04 <boily> helloklofok.
19:42:15 <Vorpal> letters even
19:42:19 <oklofok> apparently they didn't have time to read the fucking first line of wikipedia's corresponding entry
19:42:34 <fizzie> Vorpal: They're from a previous misprint, I reused the paper.
19:42:36 <Vorpal> oklofok, hi! Long time since I talked to you. How are you?
19:42:47 <olsner> kmc: neat
19:42:49 <Vorpal> fizzie, when it gave you letters instead of an image even?
19:43:26 <boily> fizzie: didn't you have that nifty webpage where you could graph peoples' presence?
19:43:33 <fizzie> Vorpal: Yes. It used to do that in the old setup when there was a paper jam, if I tried to continue printing without canceling the job and starting a new one.
19:43:47 <oklofok> Vorpal: nothing new i gues
19:43:48 <oklofok> s
19:43:49 <fizzie> boily: You mean somewhere in http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/ ?
19:43:58 <oklofok> or how long ago did we talk last :P
19:44:04 <boily> fizzie: yep. thanks!
19:44:05 <Vorpal> fizzie, wow. That is one shaky driver
19:44:06 <fizzie> I haven't updated them in a bit, I guess I could do it now.
19:44:18 <Vorpal> oklofok, Months?
19:45:02 <Vorpal> fizzie, I personally would recommend HP printers, the hplip driver work better under Linux than the official Windows drivers did
19:45:05 <oklofok> this month is my holiday, then i'm gonna try to finish my phd in a year or so
19:45:21 <Vorpal> fizzie, might be worth thinking about if you get a new printer at some point
19:45:21 <fizzie> Vorpal: Well, one of them just said "Filter failed", waited a minute, then printed out a sheet of paper where there was just the line "**** Unable to open the initial device, quitting."
19:45:25 <oklofok> (after that, eternal unemployment i guess)
19:45:42 <oklofok> what have you been up to? can you fly yet?
19:45:43 <fizzie> Vorpal: (One of the drivers, for this printer, I mean.)
19:45:45 <boily> oklofok: can I ask you the The Question?
19:45:48 <oklofok> yes
19:46:06 <Vorpal> oklofok, me? Nah. I only built one wing so far.
19:46:07 <boily> oklofok: what are your approximate coördinates and body weigh?
19:46:10 <Vorpal> The other one isn't ready
19:46:14 <oklofok> i see
19:46:24 <Vorpal> fizzie, heh
19:46:26 <oklofok> boily: i weigh 100kg
19:46:30 <oklofok> or very close
19:46:50 <oklofok> my approximate coördinates are N 60 27 E 22 17 i guess
19:46:58 <boily> `thanks oklofok
19:46:59 <HackEgo> Thanks, oklofok. Thoklofok.
19:47:58 <oklofok> why? this was in the esoteric survey which i was too ashamed to answer because i like my own languages best.
19:49:03 <boily> oklofok: it's because of me the The Question is there in the survey, but I don't have access to its results atm hth.
19:49:26 <Vorpal> boily, what survey is this?
19:49:26 <boily> therefore, I collect these lemurs independently.
19:49:32 <fizzie> boily: Updated them plots.
19:49:43 <boily> Vorpal: the survey from the Infamous Interview, as linked in the /topic.
19:49:48 <boily> fizzie: oooooh :D
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19:50:28 <oklofok> is there a specific reason you're interested in these
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19:50:48 <boily> oklofok: finding this channel's center of mass.
19:50:57 <oklofok> sounds like you want to know where and how much radiation you need to put to kill us all
19:51:00 <fizzie> boily: Is that narrow gap in your presence-bitmap lunchtime or something?
19:51:00 <oklofok> oh right.
19:51:21 <oklofok> boily: you do realize it's in the middle of the earth right?
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19:51:49 <boily> fizzie: the one at 1900Z? yup.
19:51:56 <kmc> fizzie: nice graphs
19:52:06 <fizzie> Very regular schedule there.
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19:52:31 <boily> oklofok: well, I thought about putting it on the surface, but if you like the magmatic solution I can compute it for you too.
19:52:43 <kmc> averaging points on a sphere is way beyond my capability
19:53:11 <kmc> I guess you can use the von Mises-Fisher distribution or something?
19:53:30 <oklofok> boily: is that a meaningful thing?
19:53:42 <boily> fizzie: I work from 9am until 5:30pm, lunch from 12nn until 1pm, sleep from about 9:30pm until 7am.
19:53:45 <boily> oklofok: very.
19:53:55 <olsner> maybe you could take the point on the surface that's closest to the center of mass
19:53:58 <oklofok> i meant to say what kmc said in his first message
19:54:00 <kmc> fizzie: it would be neat to do some clustering based on activity times, maybe infer timezones and/or who's a grad student
19:54:03 <fizzie> kmc: The maximum-likelihood estimate for the "direction" of the von Mises-Fisher is, IIRC, just the same thing you get if you treat the points as vectors, sum them up, and normalize.
19:54:10 <boily> kmc: yes. or wing it, put it on a projection plane, and do it in plain old 2d coördinates.
19:54:17 <kmc> fizzie: huh, that's convenient
19:54:22 <kmc> also I'm pretty sure we had this conversation before :)
19:54:30 <kmc> that's ok though!
19:54:31 <oklofok> olsner: but that's not very meaningful unless the center of mass is already near the surface?
19:54:33 <kmc> y'all are my external memory
19:54:38 <oklofok> i would think
19:55:06 <fizzie> kmc: In the context of "average hue", I think.
19:55:15 <kmc> ah, maybe
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19:55:28 <fizzie> I used the von Mises-Fisher in the gcolor/fcolor thing.
19:55:36 <olsner> oklofok: not sure, but I have a vague idea that it's a good approximation of some sort
19:55:46 <kmc> at one point I was writing some JavaScript to allow a user to choose an arbitrary background color, and then pick a white or black foreground color appropriately
19:55:50 <kmc> that doesn't need average hue though
19:55:54 <kmc> but it did kick off a lot of reading about colorspaces
19:56:00 <oklofok> olsner: if it's near the center, then it'll just be random
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19:56:07 <boily> L*a*b* forevaaaaaaaah!
19:56:41 <kmc> yep I just picked the one with the larger delta-L*
19:57:08 <kmc> I think for just choosing between black and white, that's basically as good as using delta-E*(2000) or such
19:57:12 <boily> (although having your terminal colours all at the same L* is not a good idea when blending fg and bg.)
19:57:15 <kmc> haha
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19:57:45 <fizzie> (I used the "kappa" concentration parameter of von Mises-Fisher for the "how uniformly coloured this image is" weighting.)
19:57:57 <kmc> what is the gcolor / fcolor thing?
19:58:21 <kmc> boily: but you have to assume that CSS colors are sRGB, which is spec'd, but I don't know how accurate in practice
19:58:22 <fizzie> It resolves the color of anything you can imagine, based on a Google image search or a Flickr search.
19:59:07 <fizzie> You can try it out at http://zem.fi/fcolor (unless that has bitrotted away tue to Flickr API changes), or read about some pre-selected colors at http://zem.fi/gcolor -- the Google results tended to be better.
19:59:50 <fizzie> Though both have the problem that many abstract concepts end up giving some generic grayish-brown.
20:00:00 <olsner> oklofok: i suspect that what I said is just what fizzie said might be the "maximum-likelihood estimate for the "direction" of the von Mises-Fisher"
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20:01:28 <Vorpal> fizzie, on fcolor, what is the thing in the image analysis middle part? Specifically the lower part of the middle bit
20:01:30 <olsner> hmm, http://zem.fi/ircvis/esoteric/termfreq_welcome.html
20:01:45 <fizzie> olsner: It is. And Wikipedia seems to confirm that's the ML answer.
20:01:47 <boily> kmc: I went from Lab with D65 as the white point to sRGB.
20:02:49 <boily> the end effect may not be perfect, but the eyehurt is there.
20:03:05 <Vorpal> boily, Shouldn't you check the output device gamut to see if you can do better?
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20:03:39 <Vorpal> boily, I have a wide gamut monitor at work for example. Pretty pointless since I work as a developer, but whatever
20:04:05 <Vorpal> Or wait, that was kmc who was doing the chose-color thingy?
20:04:23 <fizzie> Vorpal: Um, well. It determines the hue first (the top-middle plot is the von Mises-Fisher pdf), and then the bottom-middle part is the (L,S) plane (with H=the mean hue) and the circles are some isolines of the best Gaussian fit of the (L,S) samples of the image, probably at 1 and 2 standard deviations.
20:04:34 <boily> Vorpal: kmc is doing the useful colour thingy. all I'm having is eyestrain and bad colourschemes.
20:04:45 <Vorpal> boily, why?
20:04:51 <boily> Vorpal: cause I can.
20:05:00 <Vorpal> fizzie, ah
20:05:03 <Vorpal> boily, ah
20:05:15 <boily> besides, that's not too bad if I don't touch background colours.
20:05:17 <fizzie> olsner: Apparently we've become more welcoming.
20:05:44 <fizzie> olsner: I don't think it counts relcomes if a color-change hits in the middle of the word "welcome", though.
20:06:32 <Vorpal> fizzie, why doesn't gcolor have a web API?
20:06:45 <Vorpal> or web gui rather
20:06:56 <fizzie> Vorpal: Google didn't have a proper image search API when I was making it. (I'm not sure if they do now?)
20:07:06 <boily> hm. according to the fizziegraphs, I am verbose.
20:07:08 <fizzie> I didn't want to encourage ugly scraping.
20:07:10 <Vorpal> ah
20:07:37 <fizzie> "Important: The Google Image Search API has been officially deprecated as of May 26, 2011. It will continue to work as per our deprecation policy, but the number of requests you may make per day may be limited. We encourage you to upgrade to the Custom Search API, which now supports image search."
20:07:54 <Vorpal> Well then, just use that?
20:08:07 <fizzie> I guess theoretically speaking I could change the fcolor "GUI" to support both.
20:08:19 <zzo38> My idea of difficulty menu in MUD may be like this: http://sprunge.us/IiME
20:08:25 <fizzie> Possibly there's not enough interest.
20:08:38 <zzo38> Do you like this kind of ideas? What is your opinion of this?
20:08:42 <kmc> fizzie: fcolor / gcolor are really cool!
20:09:25 <fizzie> It's also a pretty crummy that, due to all that same-origin stuff, it has to circulate all the images through a CGI script at zem.fi. (You can load an image from a different origin, but aren't supposed to get at the pixels programmatically.)
20:09:50 <kmc> you should use those timing side channel attacks to do it
20:09:52 <Vorpal> Heh
20:10:07 <kmc> according to this, the color of the sun is a kind of reddish brown
20:10:14 <Vorpal> fizzie, you could do the processing server side too?
20:10:20 <kmc> I guess people don't upload that many pictures of the sun itself.
20:10:34 <Vorpal> kmc, A sun
20:10:41 <Vorpal> The local sun is just one of many
20:10:48 <elliott> ...
20:10:51 <boily> ~duck the sun
20:10:52 <metasepia> The Sun is the star at the center of the Solar System.
20:11:13 <Vorpal> I thought it was a newspaper! ;)
20:11:19 <zzo38> Yes, ours is called "the Sun", and then we have "the Solar System", "the Galaxy", "the Universe", ...
20:11:26 <fizzie> boily: Quick, duck, it's the Sun!
20:11:29 <zzo38> (and "the Moon")
20:12:01 <boily> and it's called the moon ♪
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20:12:50 <boily> ~duck zzo38
20:12:50 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
20:13:01 <fizzie> Incidentally, Flickr's search results of "love" (my standard go-to test word, used it to remind myself what the "bottom middle part" was) have a rather large number of insects having sex.
20:13:07 <zzo38> ~duck~ zzo38
20:13:07 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
20:13:55 <zzo38> What is your opinion of this difficulty menu?
20:14:08 <boily> fizzie: last time I saw some bottom middling was an obnoxious slimy jelly trying to orally humect ion.
20:14:17 <boily> zzo38: gurpsian.
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20:15:01 <Vorpal> So it seems dyndns now requires you to login once a month for free accounts, not just have the client running, anyone know a better service?
20:15:42 <kmc> a miasma of incandescent plasma
20:17:05 <boily> Vorpal: https://freedns.afraid.org/
20:17:18 <fizzie> I've seen people use dy.fi, but I think that's sort of Finnish-only for some reason.
20:17:35 <Vorpal> Ah
20:17:41 <Vorpal> boily, will take a look
20:17:42 <fizzie> (I don't think they do arbitrary domains either, just "foo.dy.fi" names. Though their domain is nicely short.)
20:18:05 <boily> is it easy to be finnish?
20:18:18 <fizzie> boily: It's okay to be gay, or so I've heard.
20:18:24 <Vorpal> fizzie, I don't need arbitrary, I just need something to ssh to
20:18:53 <boily> fizzie: eh?
20:19:10 <boily> why do I have to change my sexual orientation to have another nationality?
20:19:19 <Bike> it's the law
20:19:21 <fizzie> Vorpal: In that case there's also no-ip.com, I think they do a couple of names for free. (But it's more of a "commercial" thing than afraid.org.)
20:19:29 <fizzie> boily: No, no, it was just as an apropos.
20:20:03 <Vorpal> Hm
20:20:10 <Vorpal> afraid.org will probably be good
20:20:15 <Taneb> I'm glad Japan isn't in Europe, or none of us would have a hope in Eurovision at all
20:20:16 * boily on sekava.
20:20:32 <Bike> Taneb: hatsune miku steamrolls the composition
20:20:39 <fizzie> boily: I don't think anyone disputes *that*.
20:20:57 <Taneb> (of course, the UK hasn't had a hope in years)
20:21:15 <boily> Taneb: the UK won the eurovision???
20:21:20 <Vorpal> What afraid.org caps passwords at 16 chars?
20:21:21 <Fiora> a vocaloid concert at eurovision would be wonderful
20:21:21 <Vorpal> ????
20:21:24 <Vorpal> Unprofessional
20:21:41 <Bike> of course weren't vocaloids developed by a spanish university
20:21:43 <Bike> imo get on that spain
20:21:56 <boily> Vorpal: 16 bytes, or could you unicode the fungot out of that?
20:21:57 <fungot> boily: java is too resource consuming for my taste.
20:22:03 <Taneb> boily, the last time was in 1997
20:22:07 <boily> fungot: yes, but that's besides the point.
20:22:07 <fungot> boily: is there a subdirectory src or sisc within that? is 50% a good thing to see all the edges in the cfgs, though.
20:22:16 <Vorpal> boily, not sure, I can't input more than 16 letters.
20:22:23 <boily> Vorpal: meh :|
20:22:39 <elliott> Fiora: I'm not sure you're allowed to have high enough production values at Eurovision for that
20:23:16 <Taneb> I've actually been to a vocaloid concert
20:23:16 <Fiora> http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/067/4/a/hatsune_miku_and_megurine_luka_magnet_live_by_oscarosi-d4s5j0d.gif ooh a nice gif
20:23:32 <Taneb> A very low budget one
20:23:44 <boily> Bike: wasn't there that weird video with a steamroller, nude people with crotch lasers, and that pop tune in the background?
20:23:46 <Bike> did you win
20:23:52 <Bike> boily: hepl
20:24:01 <boily> ~duck hepl
20:24:01 <metasepia> <pre><code>CASS4 (Cas scaffolding protein family member 4)</code></pre> Protein-coding gene on human chromosome 20q13.31, also known as C20orf32, HEF-like protein, HEF1-Efs-p130Cas-like, HEFL, HEPL, chromosome 20 open reading frame 32.
20:25:46 <boily> Bike: found it: http://youtu.be/86wKWjvUD50 [NSFW]
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20:30:34 <fizzie> Oh for.. I'm going to miss that demowall thing again.
20:30:59 <fizzie> For a conflux of reasons, I've never managed to see it once.
20:31:30 <boily> ~duck conflux
20:31:31 <metasepia> Conflux is a Magic: The Gathering expansion set, released on February 6, 2009.
20:31:41 <fizzie> @wn conflux
20:31:42 <lambdabot> *** "conflux" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)"
20:31:42 <lambdabot> conflux
20:31:42 <lambdabot> n 1: a flowing together [syn: {confluence}, {conflux},
20:31:42 <lambdabot> {merging}]
20:32:03 <boily> ~duck confuflux
20:32:03 <metasepia> --- No relevant information
20:32:24 <fizzie> (They are having it hereabouts tomorrow night.)
20:35:38 <Taneb> Yeah, that Vocaloid concert (officially "UK39 ft. Miku Hatsune")... they were having problems with Windows Media Player
20:35:45 <Bike> hah
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20:37:40 <Fiora> that doesn't sound like an official concert
20:37:52 <boily> `relcome FourFire
20:37:55 <HackEgo> FourFire: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
20:38:19 <Bike> Fiora: miku is a miku of the people, not your bourgeoise centralist concerts
20:38:44 <FourFire> That greeting text is truly most painful!
20:38:56 <Bike> hello fourfire. hellourfire
20:39:12 <Fiora> Bike: that's true :P
20:39:14 <Taneb> Fiora, I think it was "Let's experiment on these nerds from this backwards corner of England"
20:39:20 <Fiora> MMD is a thing!
20:39:23 <FourFire> At least it has mostly uniform colours for each word
20:39:23 <Taneb> They had a live backing band
20:39:26 <boily> the Greeting must be Obeyed, and Glimpsed in All its Colourful Glory.
20:41:04 <Fiora> "UK39" sounds like a silly pun on AKB48 for some reason
20:41:59 <fizzie> There's a word-based rainbow welcome too.
20:42:08 <FourFire> the dalnet channel is rather... sparse
20:42:10 <fizzie> `run welcome | rainwords
20:42:13 <HackEgo> Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
20:42:16 <fizzie> If you find that more appealing.
20:42:51 <FourFire> well it was nice to see that such a channel as this existed, fare thee well!
20:43:01 <Bike> later
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20:43:12 <Taneb> I've still got the ticket stub somewhere
20:43:19 <Bike> oh man are we being spied on
20:43:46 <boily> darn. for once we had a nice visitor, and he left :(
20:43:47 <Bike> if so: note to spies: we are talking about animes not programming. get ur fax strait, nerds.
20:44:24 <boily> the FourFire/Carolyne ratio is way too low for the past quarter. we need a PR campaign.
20:44:33 <Fiora> carolyne?
20:45:18 <boily> Fiora: oh, you missed the colombian girl. it was an... uhm... life experience.
20:45:22 <fizzie> Was that one of elliott's many girlfriends?
20:45:33 <Bike> oops
20:45:37 <boily> fizzie: probably. elliott is very mysterious, after all.
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20:45:57 <Bike> well that was dumb of me.
20:46:30 <elliott> haha I like FourFire's /part message
20:47:10 <Bike> yes what was that!!
20:47:21 <Bike> i know a guy who uses purple and it does that
20:47:38 <fizzie> Oh, you mean, it wasn't deliberate?
20:47:40 <boily> Bike, stop making less sense than I.
20:47:56 <Bike> fizzie: yeah, it eats /part-s if you have some mods
20:48:08 <Vorpal> wget for https is fucked on my RPi it appears
20:48:11 <Vorpal> How confusing
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20:48:17 <Bike> should i join #lesswrong to see what gives
20:48:22 <fizzie> Bike: I thought it was some kind of a clever.
20:48:25 <Bike> pros: possibly funny; cons: joining #lesswrong
20:48:32 <Vorpal> curl works fine
20:48:35 <Vorpal> wget just hangs
20:48:53 <Bike> i've had problems with wget and https before. imo fuck it
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20:52:03 <Vorpal> Hm
20:52:12 <Vorpal> Bike, it works fine for the same URL on my desktop
20:52:17 <Vorpal> So that is pretty weird
20:52:32 <Bike> well.
20:53:09 <boily> Vorpal: old weird version on the RPi?
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20:55:28 <Vorpal> boily, 512 MB version
20:55:57 <Vorpal> boily, is that old and weird?
20:56:16 <Vorpal> About 5-6 months old by now
20:56:18 <Taneb> Vorpal, what are you wget'ing? I'll see what happens with my RPi
20:56:38 <Taneb> (less than a week old)
20:56:44 <boily> Vorpal: I mean, the wget version, not the RPi itself. hth.
20:57:07 <boily> I have two RPies at my apartment. I should test what happens on them.
20:57:09 <Vorpal> Taneb, a secret update URL for freedns.afraid.org. Nope not going to share it and have it repoint to your IP :P
20:57:17 <Taneb> :P
20:57:29 <Taneb> What happens with other https's?
20:57:34 <kmc> `run echo green yellow red green red blue cyan magenta green red green blue green red red blue magenta blue green blue yellow magenta magenta blue cyan yellow green red green magenta green yellow cyan yellow magenta cyan red blue cyan cyan | rainwords
20:57:36 <HackEgo> green yellow red green red blue cyan magenta green red green blue green red red blue magenta blue green blue yellow magenta magenta blue cyan yellow green red green magenta green yellow cyan yellow magenta cyan red blue cyan cyan
20:57:39 <Vorpal> Taneb, this hangs too: wget -O - https://www.google.com
20:57:42 <Bike> fuck u kmc :(
20:57:58 <kmc> stroop test motherfuckkkkkkkkas
20:58:07 <Vorpal> Taneb, works fine on my desktop
20:58:08 * boily hits kmc over the head with a NYC yellow pages
20:58:14 <Taneb> Works on my RPi
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20:58:21 <kmc> is it harder if sometimes the word does match?
20:58:46 <Taneb> kmc, aaaaaah I hate those things
20:58:59 <Vorpal> Taneb, I did have problems with dns the other week on the RPi. The local recursive DNS server refused to resolve anything. Then it just randomly started working again after clearing the cache for the fourth time
20:59:08 <Vorpal> Not sure if my RPi has some issues perhaps
20:59:11 <kmc> it's the only method I know for somebody to prove that they *don't* know a particular language
20:59:17 <kmc> (though there are ways to cheat too, like defocusing your eyes)
20:59:22 <elliott> relevant http://neilblr.com/post/44579634689
20:59:24 <Bike> kmc: it's certainly throwing me off
20:59:55 <boily> how much is it to launch a private ICBM with a small nuclear charge?
21:00:23 <kmc> Amazon Elastic ICBM
21:00:32 <kmc> elliott: haha
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21:01:09 <boily> anybody can pool some money? it's for a noble cause.
21:01:27 <Bike> alright i have an argument against merica not using the metric system
21:01:43 <Bike> that argument is: why is this being taught in a college class. holy shit. holy shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj
21:01:50 <boily> maybe I could kickstarter it... pledge at least 20$ and get a glow-in-the-dark radioactive replica of kmc's skeleton!
21:02:00 <Vorpal> Bike, it would make it easier for the terrorist to get the measurements right?
21:02:13 <kmc> boily: http://kickstriker.com/kony
21:02:25 <Bike> kickstriker owns
21:02:39 <kmc> Bike: do you read http://www.wrongingrights.com/
21:02:52 <boily> `learn shiasdayviaerqjjjjjjjj is the reason why the USA don't use the metric system.
21:02:52 <Vorpal> kmc, as if that would ever amount to anything actually happening
21:02:55 <HackEgo> I knew that.
21:02:56 <Bike> no, what is it
21:03:04 <Bike> Vorpal: read the rest, imo
21:03:21 <kmc> oh god there's a post about The Newsroom
21:03:21 <Bike> «Apparently, riding astride is “uncultural.” And, like the much maligned mini-skirt, it threatens road safety by distracting male drivers» the worst argument
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21:04:04 <Vorpal> Bike, okay, doubtful that will work still.
21:04:15 <elliott> Vorpal: you're killing me here
21:04:17 -!- calamari has left.
21:04:24 <Vorpal> elliott, me?
21:04:30 <boily> ~duck the room
21:04:31 <metasepia> The Room may refer to: The Room, by Harold Budd The Room The Room, by Zo&eacute; The Room, by Tommy Wiseau The Room, from Newgrounds.
21:06:46 <Vorpal> I played a puzzle game named "The Room" recently. Was pretty fun. Think it was part of some humble (android?) bundle.
21:11:50 <boily> Vorpal: if it is, I don't have it in my bought bundles.
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21:12:04 <boily> Vorpal: did you ever play the submachine flash games?
21:14:24 <Vorpal> boily, hm?
21:14:34 <Vorpal> boily, I don't recall ever hearing about that
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21:26:20 <Vorpal> fizzie, according to fcolor water is brown with a green tint
21:27:11 <Vorpal> And the sea is green with a very slight blue tint
21:27:19 <kmc> I'm glad I didn't put in "cocks" as my first try
21:27:28 <kmc> I didn't realize it shows the individual images
21:27:30 <kmc> and I am at work
21:27:54 <Vorpal> heh
21:27:57 <elliott> mozilla has a stict no-cocks policy
21:28:03 <fizzie> It might not show too NSFWy things, it's a Flickr search.
21:28:17 <elliott> lots of pictures of roosters
21:28:21 <fizzie> Some roosters, maybe.
21:28:28 <fizzie> I am: late.
21:29:45 <Vorpal> good night
21:29:51 <fizzie> It could also run kajillion times faster, there's just lots of delays because I didn't want to have too many requests going on.
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21:32:29 <Vorpal> Heh
21:32:31 <Vorpal> good night
21:33:11 <Bike> boily: submachine's fun
21:37:53 <boily> Bike: it is, but I must disappear in a vortex.
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21:38:20 <Bike> k
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21:42:14 <Bike> «The teacher says that Daniel is fascinated by Maggie’s hair because he’s never seen a blonde person before, and that “blondes are trouble.”» oh my, kmc
21:49:52 <Bike> kmc: this blog is horrifying, help
21:50:03 <Fiora> ?
21:50:16 <Bike> "certain conduct of a sexual nature that was nonconsensual"
21:50:20 <Fiora> oh, that thing you posted above
21:50:24 <Bike> thanks yale
21:51:00 <Taneb> "implements such as those that are used for the construction of trenches"
21:51:14 <Taneb> I believe it was Tacitus who wrote that
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21:55:03 <Bike> "Kate is a lawyer (Columbia, 2006) and PhD candidate in political science (Columbia, 2204?)" haha
21:58:14 <pikhq> Gregor: So yeah. Finally got some Moxie.
21:58:28 <pikhq> I'll be able to see if it's any good, or if you're just a crazy anosmic man.
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22:01:16 <kmc> what's that?
22:01:35 <pikhq> Moxie is a soda that Gregor is fond of, that's really hard to find outside of Maine.
22:02:17 <pikhq> It's also the origin of the English word "moxie".
22:02:37 <kmc> oh really
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22:21:13 <olsner> kmc: there should be a rust make thingy that compiles required files into crates and links them together automatically
22:22:13 <kmc> there's rustpkg; it's a work in progress
22:22:55 <kmc> I don't know much about it
22:23:04 <kmc> we had a meeting this morning to talk about using it for Servo, but we aren't yet
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22:49:42 <kmc> btw crates are only linked dynamically, at the moment
22:50:05 <kmc> but you need the .so at compile time to get metadata out, and to set the rpath probably
22:50:18 <kmc> metadata reading is atrociously slow right now
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23:43:53 <kmc> cool, I found my first actual "compiler produces bad code, leading to memory corruption" bug
23:45:33 <Sgeo> oerjan: I cheered
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23:46:27 <Bike> "my favorite kind of bug"
23:47:17 <FreeFull> kmc: For the rust compiler?
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23:49:04 <kmc> yes
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