00:00:15 <zzo38> Bike: Did that interests you yet?
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02:36:26 <zzo38> Objectionitive Wizardry {1W} Creature - Elemental Wizard 1/1 Protection from enchanted objects | {3W}, {T}: Put a Aura enchantment token with "Enchant creature | Enchanted creature gets +1/+1." on target creature.
02:39:23 <Sgeo> "The closing of an online virtual game may sound trivial to anyone who has never used or visited one, but to the people who spent a chunk of their formative years forging relationships inside their virtual walls, the loss can be huge."
02:39:27 <Sgeo> Someone who understands!
02:45:40 <Bike> zzo38: Mtg Person I Know says the only tokens are creatures.
02:51:42 <zzo38> Bike: Of all known cards yes, but some versions of the rules say any permanent. Still, there are many rules I would change, one is that a token can be any object.
02:53:41 <zzo38> I would do it like this: The state based effect causing tokens outside of play zone ceasing to exist would be removed, and instead, they cease to exist due to lacking an initial state. Also, copies of spells are tokens.
02:53:57 <zzo38> This seem more logical to me.
02:54:32 <zzo38> What do you think of it?
02:55:05 <Bike> basically nothing since i don't play mtg
02:55:58 <zzo38> I would also remove the state based effects about auras/equipments that are also creatures, and about losing due to run out of cards to draw; instead, the meaning of "draw a card" becomes: If there is a card in your draw pile, put the top one into your hand, otherwise you lose the game.
02:56:29 <Bike> how is that different from running out of cars to draw making you lose
02:57:45 <zzo38> Bike: It would rarely make a difference. However, there are a few rare circumstances where it might differ, for example if you have an effect that causes damage and you draw a card together, then if you have no cards to draw then you lose, since the losing due to life total happens later because it is a state based effect.
02:59:02 <coppro> zzo38: losing due to card draw is also a state based action
02:59:17 <zzo38> coppro: Yes I know. However, this is a rule I would change so that it isn't.
02:59:25 <zzo38> coppro: There are many rules I would change.
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05:35:53 <Sgeo> Why am I watching Mulan right now?
05:36:36 <coppro> I don't know. Why am I still awake
05:37:20 <Bike> who fucking knows sgeo. who fucking knows anything. i don't fucking know the series of events that led to you watching mulan. it could be anything. it is everything. the entirety of existence has led to this point, this point of you asking why you are watching mulan. are you even watching mulan? i don't know i can't know. all i have is your word, your words on a screen. a tiny portion of the fucking gigantic lightcone i live in. iti goes so ...
05:37:26 <Bike> ... damn far. so damn far sgeo. i can't even see a lightyear out my window and you expect me to know why you're watching mulan? what the fuck sgeo? waht the fuck
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05:52:17 <Jafet> It has led to this point
06:03:14 <zzo38> What kind of point?
06:04:23 <zzo38> Can you please be more specific?
06:04:53 <Bike> i'm referring to literally one point particularly. i cannot be more specific. it is impossible. how can i be more specific than "this thing right here"
06:05:53 <zzo38> That is true, you cannot be more specific than that, but "this thing right here" isn't meaningful unless you know which one you mean.
06:06:08 <Bike> This one. This point. Right here. The point we are at.
06:07:04 <zzo38> That isn't a single point, though.
06:07:57 <zzo38> Maybe to you it is, but not necessarily to me.
06:08:05 <Bike> we're at the same point, tha'ts impossible
06:08:55 <zzo38> Don't you know relativity and uncertainty principle and so on too? For one thing we are not at the same point, is one such thing.
06:09:18 <Bike> not that kind of point.
06:09:39 <Bike> the other kind.
06:09:39 <Bike> Anyway, Euclidean space is a myth.
06:09:51 <Bike> There's no connection here.
06:09:51 <Bike> Are you afraid?
06:10:14 <zzo38> A myth? I think Euclidean space still seems mathematically OK, although it isn't the only kind of geometry.
06:10:19 <zzo38> I am not afraid of it, though.
06:11:23 <zzo38> Are *you* agraid of it?
06:12:24 <Bike> anyway i didn't say of what
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06:45:18 <kmc> shachaf: I'm back in SF
06:45:22 <kmc> I had lunch at Ryowa, though!
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07:03:30 <Sgeo> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MilR3Z1sASY
07:03:38 <Sgeo> I was not expecting electronic-sounding music in that movie
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10:58:14 <olsner> Bike: p. thorough answer there
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11:32:34 <Vorpal> fizzie, wrt. rdiff-backup, how do you deal with VM image files?
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11:47:21 <Jafet> I have a feeling that if not for oracle, we can replace all this crap with zfs snapshots
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11:54:58 <olsner> zfs is available outside of oracle
11:57:26 <olsner> you can even use it on linux (!)
11:58:14 <Jafet> It might even be faster than ntfs-3g!
12:04:20 <olsner> it's ... fast enough? istr that the benchmarks are unimpressive though
12:16:22 <Jafet> Huh, the LLNL, of all people, have sponsored a zfs kernel module
12:17:12 <olsner> IIRC the LLNL work was the beginning of http://zfsonlinux.org/
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13:26:34 <Vorpal> Jafet, I'm currently using LVM snapshots to get consistent file system backups
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14:39:47 <Vorpal> Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on
14:39:50 <Vorpal> /dev/mapper/array-old_disk2 119726308 117484008 0 100% /mnt/tmp
14:39:58 <Vorpal> That is a really strange count of free blocks
14:42:34 <Vorpal> asie, oh wait, is it related to the 1% reserved for root thingy?
14:42:41 <Vorpal> But I ran df as root so that makes no sense
14:42:44 <asie> it's related to metadata i think
14:42:51 <asie> some of the used-but-not-used space is used for metadata
14:42:53 <asie> and journaling
14:43:08 <Vorpal> Well I can create a new 1 MB file on there at least with no issues
14:43:15 <asie> sometimes it is
14:43:16 <asie> sometimes it isn't
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16:46:19 <Vorpal> Lol, I tried to use the gnome disk utility to run a performance test on my mdraid 1 array. I think there is some weird caching going on. The graph looks utterly silly: Around ~150-200 MB/s, except a peak at the end going upwards of 5 GB/s
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17:36:54 <Sgeo_> http://np.reddit.com/r/nyc/comments/1l19ym/greek_nazi_propaganda_in_nyc/cbur6id I hate Reddit sometimes (highly upvoted mysogeny)
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18:25:54 <Bike> `welcome dfgdfh
18:25:59 <HackEgo> dfgdfh: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
18:26:05 <elliott> aww c'mon, you can troll better than that and we both know it. I believe in you dfgdfh!
18:26:48 <dfgdfh> kiss my ass kiss my ass
18:26:50 <dfgdfh> kiss my ass kiss my ass
18:26:51 <dfgdfh> kiss my ass kiss my ass
18:26:57 <Bike> damn steppin it up
18:27:15 <Bike> `echo kiss my ass
18:30:01 <Bike> is thisthat one person i vaguely reemmber
18:31:30 <elliott> I don't remember anybody from belarus
18:35:05 <Bike> elliott: i mean wasn't there a person who had a bunch of df nicks
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18:36:17 <elliott> Bike: they were australian or something
18:36:28 <Bike> elliott: what if they're behind seven proxies..........
18:36:40 <Bike> i am from: the mountains
18:38:03 <Bike> that's hardly belarus at all.
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18:38:48 <dfgdfh> I do not quite understand what you are saying
18:39:38 <dfgdfh> I do not know much english
18:40:13 <Bike> why did you say "kiss my ass"
18:43:57 <Koen_> sorry I had to do it
18:44:05 <Bike> you really didn't
18:44:12 <olsner> one of the bots should have a counter to tell how many nested parentheses the channel is in
18:44:27 <olsner> and maybe fizzie could graph it over time
18:44:30 <Koen_> in fact I find it highly surprising that none does
18:44:49 <Bike> running a cfg over the entirety of the logs sounds like a pain
18:46:20 <dfgdfh> 35 IRC Operators online
18:47:42 <Koen_> did someone remove the url for jsvine's survey from the topic?
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18:52:24 <oerjan> what would you do with parenthesis-based smileys
18:52:37 <olsner> hmm, maybe just count them
18:53:04 <olsner> you'd have to alternate sad/happy and left/right smileys appropriately
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19:26:44 <Gracenotes> and random bike parking, though hopefully not random bike stealing
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19:30:34 <Zuu> New RegexPL release, try it before your girlfriend! http://zuu.dk/index.php?page=regexpl
19:30:47 <Gracenotes> just to be nostalgic, I might try the commute I did back in the summer of 2011
19:31:34 <Gracenotes> then take embarcadero to fisherman's wharf, wait in line 30 minutes for In-n-Out, and cross Golden Gate bridge
19:31:47 <Gracenotes> enough to fill my SF quota for at least a few months.
19:37:04 <Gracenotes> mm, yeah, so if anyone from the general area wants to hang out later on, lemme know
19:39:47 <zzo38> I put into the computer the two spells I made up for Dungeons&Dragons game which I have selected for my character, these ones are "Kjugobe's Timer" and "Kjugobe's Notification". An idea is next add a "Kjugobe's Trigger", which probably is much higher level spell.
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20:24:27 <oerjan> mmm. the smell of quines in the morning. except it's actually evening, but you know.
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20:53:30 <Bike> i got a job ad here asking for someone good at "object-oriented languages (Java, PERL, Python, R etc.)". reasonable description yes/no
20:53:52 <elliott> I mean if you have to use the Unicode snowman to make an IRC bot with it...
20:54:06 <Bike> i don't know :(
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22:50:18 <Bike> is there some way to configure the chrome omnibox? tab to search is fucked for wikipedia for me and it's irritating
22:52:33 <Gracenotes> modifying your history doesn't seem to help
23:00:11 <Gracenotes> That was an incredibly loud noise just now
23:01:33 <Gracenotes> yeah, this guy, he knows what he's talking about. https://twitter.com/dirkdk/status/371769018983522304
23:02:18 <Bike> that seems annoying
23:03:49 <Gracenotes> oh, someone on google help forums says, "An easy fix for this is to change the keyword for your google search to something other than google
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23:24:36 <UristMcSgeo> "THIS is why crime must never be allowed to decline in New York City — LESS crime in the city means MORE crime in the quiet and pristine suburbs. Why hasn't Bloomberg been arrested for this?"
23:27:58 <Bike> too busy arresting him for everything else, one hopes
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