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00:08:25 <oerjan> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_which_do_not_list_themselves sort of disappointing
00:08:42 <kmc> what would bdsmreclist be...
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00:42:49 <oerjan> finally, today's girl genius update. (also, a good one.)
00:43:41 <oerjan> shachaf: it updates too regularly to have a list. but lately unfortunately not on the hour.
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00:47:45 <kmc> when would it update
00:48:38 <oerjan> kmc: don't you know when you update? i guess you might get a memory wipe or something.
00:50:10 <kmc> I keep declining the updates because I've rooted my own brain and don't want to get locked out again
00:50:22 <shachaf> it was updating for a while until you moved to sf
00:50:28 <shachaf> now i don't get updates :'(
00:51:39 <Gracenotes> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lists_of_lists
00:51:46 <Gracenotes> <!-- Please do NOT include: [[Lists of lists]], or [[List of lists of lists]], they just redirect here. -->
00:53:51 <shachaf> Gracenotes: too bad i'm editing in wysisyg mode so i don't see that comment
00:54:40 <oerjan> ooh seriously bad side effect of that
00:54:53 <Gracenotes> well, you're not alone. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_lists_of_lists&action=history&year=2013&month=-1&tagfilter=visualeditor
00:58:43 <oerjan> hm the prev link in tagfiltered history gives the difference to the previous tagged one
01:01:35 <kmc> shachaf: I don't get it...
01:01:40 <Gracenotes> getting rid of oldid in the query will fix that
01:03:30 <shachaf> kmc: oh, kmclist was about job updates
01:08:59 <FreeFull> Would it be possible to make a typed brainfuck?
01:09:09 <Bike> noep it's impossible
01:11:08 <myndzi> everything's the same type :D
01:12:41 <oerjan> looks like the comment bug has been noticed long ago but not prioritized enough, but is now being discussed again. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49603
01:14:30 <shachaf> I'll just get oerjan to do my edits for me.
01:14:55 <oerjan> you think this has worked great so far?
01:15:14 <shachaf> Worked great for me, that is.
01:15:32 <oerjan> well i guess no worse than if you hadn't asked.
01:16:11 <shachaf> usually it's worked out in my experience
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02:44:19 <zzo38> Which characters is a program using literate comment style more likely to start with, do you think? I think that first, lines starting with # are skipped, and then spaces are skipped and if the next character is % or < then it is literate style. Is there others?
02:47:18 <zzo38> You can use a AWK program to convert bird-style code into plain code.
02:47:57 <zzo38> Here is the AWK program: sub(/^>/,"")
02:47:58 <oerjan> haskell also has the \begin{code} style
02:48:30 <zzo38> oerjan: Yes, there is that style too (and you can mix them in the same file, which might be useful). Haskell does, but other programs might not.
02:51:08 <oerjan> the haskell 2010 report says " It is not advisable to mix these two styles in the same file."
02:51:56 <zzo38> oerjan: Yes it may not be advisable, although you can do so. It isn't normally useful, but there can be useful in a few cases possibly.
02:52:36 <zzo38> Some extensions of AWK that are implemented I don't find very good, although there are some things I would find useful but aren't implemented. These include a \ operator to match parts of the previously used regular expression as a boolean, that matched; another would be a PARSER special block for parsing input in a way other than the normal way (and then have a "yield" command to yield records for the rest of the program to match)
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02:55:28 <zzo38> I have read about some .lhs syntax highlighter that tries to guess whether bird-style or LaTeX-style is used by the first line of the file, although I don't think that is best idea; better would be to just support both. (I have some bird-style files starting with % and the syntax highlighter incorrectly tries to parse it as a LaTeX-style file)
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02:58:32 <zzo38> The program is Pygments. "the style is autodetected: if the first non-whitespace character in the source is a backslash or percent character, LaTeX is assumed, else Bird"
03:11:27 <zzo38> /^\\end\{code\}$/{x=0};x||sub(/^>/,"");/^\\begin\{code\}$/{x=1}
03:11:42 <zzo38> Now it work with Bird-style and LaTeX-style.
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03:22:00 <Sgeo> "Real WTF is using console.log without testing for it's existence. "
03:22:31 <Sgeo> Although this is not a problem at work, fortunately for my sanity
03:22:33 <zzo38> What would you think are good features to have in a hardware programming language?
03:22:36 <Bike> internet explorer more like internet suckass dumb stupidheader
03:23:28 <shachaf> Bike: wow, Sgeo and you sure showed it
03:23:58 <Bike> IE will think again before being stupid and suck!! now it knows it's got a bad ass staring it down
03:24:23 <kmc> MICRO$HAFT WINBLOWZE
03:25:02 <kmc> `log VENEREAL
03:25:23 <kmc> well anyway
03:25:33 <HackEgo> 2010-10-05.txt:21:44:04: <cpressey> a language doesn't travel halfway across the globe without picking up a few venereal diseases
03:25:50 <Sgeo> It's two seconds to make a console in any browser that does nothing if there is no real console, but why should this even be necessary?
03:26:41 <zzo38> I have written some things (too much incomplete, though) about idea I have, which I called "HWPL" and has many significant differences from Verilog and VHDL. One is there are no numeric types; only vectors. Another is that numbers are in binary notation by default and you need a prefix to specify decimal and hex.
03:30:12 <Gracenotes> shachaf: I purchased more things I don't need today
03:30:45 <shachaf> Gracenotes: why put off until tomorrow things that you can buy today
03:30:46 <Bike> lose all your money
03:31:06 <shachaf> http://www.netfunny.com/rhf/jokes/98/Jul/gazebo.html
03:31:08 <zzo38> Another difference is that vectors can have some bits input and some output (and even analog), you can have a CONNECT command similar to Verilog's "assign" but you can put the output on the other side (such as if it is not originally known which one is output), names that aren't keywords have a sigil prefix, and many others too
03:31:11 <Gracenotes> although, chances are, I do need a front bike light
03:31:23 <Gracenotes> I haven't needed it so far, and I have avoided getting killed at night so far
03:38:03 <Gracenotes> I'm doing an inventory of all of the things I might ever want to conceivably plug in for using electricity
03:38:19 <Bike> how many of them are firearms
03:38:21 <Gracenotes> hopefully this will guide my choice of a power strip between cost and convenience
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03:47:49 <kmc> zzo38: it should allow the user to draw timing diagrams like so ┌──┐
03:48:32 <kmc> i'll see myself out
03:50:06 <shachaf> imo commutative timing diagrams
03:51:47 <zzo38> kmc: I think I understand what you mean even though it is written wrongly
04:00:42 <zzo38> shachaf: What is that?
04:02:12 <zzo38> kmc: What I do not know, is what exactly to do with such timing diagrams, anyways, though
04:03:10 <zzo38> Usually you should write the program to implement the correct timing, rather than explicitly writing the diagram (although it may be a text format that, once all macros are expanded, can convert between text and diagram format)
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04:15:55 <SirCmpwn> what's that one thing that wraps esoteric programs and makes syscalls depending on what they output to stdout
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04:18:16 <zzo38> Hopefully the information is available in esolang wiki, though.
04:24:09 <kmc> currently listening to a band named HṚṢṬA
04:24:12 <kmc> they're pretty good!
04:31:36 <Gracenotes> based on their top song by YT search ranking
04:32:08 <zzo38> What tie breaker system do you prefer in Pokemon card?
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04:34:00 <oerjan> so what are some good unicode band names
04:36:41 <shachaf> 101FC PHAISTOS DISC SIGN WAVY BAND [<U+101FC>]
04:36:58 <Gracenotes> sadly, not The Artist Formerly Known as Prince
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05:18:47 <kmc> Gracenotes: yeah similar and a lot of the same people are involved
05:20:25 <kmc> olsner: KANGXI RADICAL FIGHT
05:21:44 <zzo38> I have added some entries into the glossary of Pokemon card puzzles; see if it is good now. Can you please look, make comment/question/suggest/complaint of it?
05:21:49 <kmc> I don't think there is any band named Duff's Device but there is one named Too Close For Missiles (or at least a song)
05:22:38 <zzo38> Then make up some band named Duff's Device, especially if there are people in there named Duff
05:23:10 <zzo38> Pokemon card glossary is: http://zzo38computer.org/textfile/miscellaneous/pokemon_card/terminology.txt
05:23:39 <kmc> membership in GY!BE overlaps with many other bands including HṚṢṬA, Set Fire To Flames, Black Ox Orkestar, and {A,The,Thee} Silver Mt. Zion Memorial Orchestra [& Tra-La-La Band [with Choir]]
05:26:24 <kmc> Efrim Menuck and bandmate Jessica Moss have a child named Ezra Steamtrain Moss Menuck
05:31:04 <zzo38> I have written something about some society (and corresponding prestige class) for use in Dungeons&Dragons game, so they can put some NPCs of this one and they would have more advantages over me and over others I may try to protect, so this makes it more difficult game.
05:32:47 <zzo38> kmc: Well, I think that should be their proper name, considering the circumstances
05:44:15 <HackEgo> slist: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
05:44:29 <Sgeo> (That one an IRC notifier told me)
05:45:53 <zzo38> What IRC notifier is that?
05:46:17 <Sgeo> The one I wrote
05:46:29 <Sgeo> Apparently it has a memory leak though, so the operator doesn't operate it 24/7
05:46:35 <Sgeo> I should attempt to fix it at some point
05:47:30 <zzo38> Should there be a sequence number or something like that after some `*list command?
05:47:56 <Sgeo> Just something to identify which update it is would be typical
05:48:06 <Sgeo> This one would probably be HOLYSHIT, but the last would be HOLYSHIT too
05:48:52 <zzo38> (My own `danddreclist uses session numbers afterward; others might have other sequence numbers though)
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06:19:55 <zzo38> Can't you use numbers (or dates, or filenames, or whatever) instead of "HOLYSHIT"?
06:35:57 <fizzie> There's a natural sequence number for slist (it's at 916), but I for one can never remember which was the last number I saw.
06:36:08 <fizzie> (Then again, I don't pay any attention to slist either, because RSS.)
06:36:38 <fizzie> Also, it's kind of funny how all the local news media are full of the Nokia thing.
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06:39:51 <zzo38> What Nokia thing is that?
06:40:23 <zzo38> Do you like this kind of melody? l8 e4gc'fac'g ^bd'fgfed e4gc'fac'g ^1 (There is chord too, and it is longer than just this, too)
06:40:37 <fizzie> Microsoft just bought most of Nokia's phone-making business and patents for 5.44 billion euros.
06:40:49 <fizzie> Well, subject to regulatory approval and all that usual stuff.
06:44:29 <HackEgo> olist (916): shachaf oerjan Sgeo FireFly
06:44:33 <shachaf> (This one's from my sister.)
06:46:09 <fizzie> Oh, did I confuse slist and olist? How bad.
06:46:13 <fizzie> There are so many lists.
06:59:00 <kmc> @addquote <zzo38> Do you like this kind of melody? l8 e4gc'fac'g ^bd'fgfed e4gc'fac'g ^1
06:59:03 <kmc> `addquote <zzo38> Do you like this kind of melody? l8 e4gc'fac'g ^bd'fgfed e4gc'fac'g ^1
06:59:08 <HackEgo> 1097) <zzo38> Do you like this kind of melody? l8 e4gc'fac'g ^bd'fgfed e4gc'fac'g ^1
07:43:15 <olsner> <kmc> olsner: KANGXI RADICAL FIGHT <-- was this for oerjan?
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11:16:50 <Taneb> Is a logarithmic spiral a fractal?
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11:52:38 <Phantom_Hoover> wp says fractals are sets with fractal dimensions that 'usually' exceed their topological dimensions, which is a bit odd
11:59:32 <Phantom_Hoover> after further reading i conclude that nobody can actually agree on what fractals are, except that they have to be kind of swirly and self-similar
12:09:36 <Jafet> It depends on which drugs you are using
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13:24:34 <boily> good third age morning.
13:25:20 <boily> @tell nooodl the dand list notifications seem to work well, but they still point to the same level20. is that normal?
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14:10:34 <boily> Roujo: I wonder how the Pouti will fare today. he spent the weekend on a saruman costume for the Initiatioooooon (♪ scare chord ♪)
14:11:10 <Taneb> I need to figure out how to cosplay Gandalf the Grey
14:11:21 <Roujo> boily: So I saw =P
14:12:19 <boily> Roujo: let me guess. he posted stuff on that newfangled Facebook thing the kids are all on these days.
14:12:48 <Roujo> boily: In a chat with me, yeah
14:12:49 <boily> Taneb: I should get to cosplay some time. by the looks of it, it seems very fun.
14:14:31 <Taneb> Yeah, it's all fun
14:14:35 <Taneb> Not at all wallet-burning
14:16:02 <boily> oh, while my synapses are beginning their daily workout and coherent thoughts are forming, were there any major modifications made to the Wisdoms in the past few days?
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14:50:45 <Roujo> boily: I don't think so, no
14:51:52 <Roujo> Hello, friend from the club ^^
14:52:08 <metasepia> club definition: a heavy usually tapering staff especially of wood wielded as a weapon.
14:52:10 <nooodl> boily: re: lambdabot: i've wondered the same thing. i think zzo keeps updating level20.tex but i have no idea what the "levels" are
14:53:07 <boily> nooodl: re: re: oh: la: lambdabot: makes sense.
14:53:15 <boily> @tell zzo38 what is a level?
14:54:22 <HackEgo> http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/level20.tex (the precompiled .dvi is also available) \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
14:54:29 <boily> I wonder if you can clear a branch while wielding a club as a melee character...
14:54:53 <nooodl> yeah http://zzo38computer.org/dnd/recording/ contains only level20.tex
14:55:00 <nooodl> and some other stuff related to level20
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14:56:08 <HackEgo> Solain: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
14:56:56 <boily> nooodl: maybe it's only a coincidence that the letters form “level”. maybe it's a cipher based on zzo38's name, and it's parsed as “le”, then “vel20”.
14:57:38 <Solain> hmm guys, im only a novice programer, but on what language do people actually build their own language? asm?
14:57:59 <Roujo> Whatever you like, really
14:58:08 <Roujo> The interpreter can be written in anything
14:58:15 <Roujo> What matters is the language spec itself ^^
14:58:19 <nooodl> esolangs, at least, tend to be written in much more high-level languages
14:58:49 <Solain> hehe writing an esolang on an esolang
14:59:13 <boily> Solain: a common hobby, and a very interesting one too.
14:59:17 <Roujo> http://esolangs.org/wiki/Brainfuck#Self-interpreters
14:59:56 <Solain> he had a lot of time on his hands ay?
15:00:26 <Roujo> Here's a whole page
15:00:26 <Roujo> http://esolangs.org/wiki/EsoInterpreters
15:00:39 <boily> don't worry. people will scrounge and munge and maim your creations, and do wonderful and horrendous things with them.
15:01:18 <Solain> Deadfish has a way to output things but it has no way to input them!
15:01:32 <boily> not a problem. hth.
15:01:58 * boily whistles innocently
15:02:12 <Solain> i would like to see someone building a game engine on brainfuck
15:02:29 <boily> Solain: already done. and done.
15:02:30 <Roujo> With books and all!
15:02:43 <Roujo> We're kind of like Zombo.com here
15:02:45 <boily> both at the same time? no idea.
15:02:46 <Roujo> Everything is possible
15:02:51 <Roujo> The only limit... is yourself
15:03:14 <boily> oh fungot. someone has to make an official mp3 of that.
15:03:14 <fungot> boily: and is one thing which you might want is broken" archives. even less chance. i called " o" in " the other side has just said! ...wh...what g...l...e...n...n?
15:04:54 <Roujo> Solain: Soon, you will learn about ~duck and `? and hth and all of these wonderful things
15:05:10 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
15:05:15 <Roujo> Except for hth, which isn't that wonderful, really
15:05:40 <metasepia> An esoteric programming language (sometimes shortened to esolang) is a programming language designed to test the boundaries of computer programming language design, as a proof of concept, or as a joke.
15:05:46 <metasepia> The brainfuck programming language is an esoteric programming language noted for its extreme minimalism.
15:06:19 <Solain> i download an pascal ide, that does everything but pascal
15:06:33 <metasepia> His early work included the invention of the adding machine and syringe, and the co-development with Fermat of the mathematical theory of probability.
15:06:53 <Solain> im not going to google it
15:07:07 <Roujo> boily: Shall I ask him the questiön? Or should you?
15:07:15 <metasepia> Duck Duck Go is a search engine based in Valley Forge, Pennsylvania that uses information from crowd-sourced sites (like Wikipedia) with the aim of augmenting traditional results and improving relevance.
15:07:38 <nooodl> Solain: ~duck performs duck duck go queries
15:09:12 <Roujo> It's one of the ways to ask what the hell people are talking about here
15:09:16 <Roujo> Or about stuff you don't know
15:11:27 <Solain> i want to start programming my own esolang, but i havent thought of a concept yet
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15:12:00 <Solain> i thought of writing it in 1337 lang but it will be a little bit too cheesy
15:12:17 <Roujo> http://esolangs.org/wiki/1337
15:12:35 <Roujo> Not relevant after all =P
15:12:42 <Roujo> There was one, though
15:13:03 <Roujo> http://esolangs.org/wiki/L33t
15:13:28 <Solain> but programmers who do that are "teh sUxX0r". HAHAHAHHAHAHH
15:15:03 <Solain> ok, so leet speak is catched
15:16:48 <Solain> hehe, a language that is all made from infinte loops
15:29:12 <Solain> *chucks a bucket of water*
15:30:06 <Bike> standards for eso have kind of gone up, you've got things like twoducks and eodermdrome to compete with
15:31:00 <Solain> but im doing this for fun
15:31:26 <Bike> well, yeah, but you probably still want to do something interesting.
15:31:28 <Roujo> >It is uncomputable on a Turing machine; it even allows you to solve the halting problem.
15:31:45 <quintopia> i don't understand this "i want to make an esolang...but i have no idea what to make" thing really. i always thought that "i have an idea for an esolang!" was the first step.
15:32:12 <Solain> i had one but i didnt know how to do it, now i do
15:32:18 <Solain> which allows you to go back in time and change things
15:32:37 <Solain> mine will also do coffee
15:33:06 <quintopia> any esolang that makes coffee is worth a look
15:33:19 <Solain> anything that makes coffee is worth a look
15:33:29 <quintopia> the question is: is the coffee turing-complete?
15:33:36 <Bike> bah. when did this channel allow in all these druggies
15:33:55 <quintopia> you should make a metaesolang. the language which makes it easy to make new esolangs.
15:33:58 <Bike> i bet you could make a neat non-equilibrium reaction with coffee, which could let you do some nice computey stuff.
15:34:41 <Bike> you urchins and your coffee
15:34:59 <quintopia> coffee is good for the soul and the hangover
15:35:20 <quintopia> the headaches are a result of the hangover
15:35:41 <Solain> (two times no for both of you)
15:35:54 <Solain> cause cthultu the computer god
15:36:01 <Solain> cause i dont have hangovers
15:36:12 <Bike> have you considered getting drunker
15:36:30 <Solain> have you considerd the fact that im under-aged?
15:37:03 <Solain> and i will be as drunk as a goat
15:37:34 <Bike> have you considered the fact that 420 blaze it every day
15:37:49 <Solain> see http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/174/2/b/goat_meme_by_existtraiesc-d6ab6ga.jpg
15:38:14 <Roujo> `run ls wisdom/goat
15:38:15 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/goat: No such file or directory
15:38:17 <Roujo> `run ls wisdom/goats
15:38:19 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/goats: No such file or directory
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15:38:35 <Bike> there you have it.
15:38:39 <Roujo> `relcome TheDoomSong
15:38:42 <HackEgo> TheDoomSong: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
15:39:08 <Solain> welcome to the talk about drunken goats
15:39:17 <Roujo> `run echo Goats are drunk 24/7, ask Solain for details. > wisdom/goats
15:39:40 <Solain> exception detected, Solain too stornk
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15:42:23 <Solain> let us stop talking about drunken goats, and talk about interepter building
15:42:38 <Bike> i built an interpreter once, but he fell on me.
15:42:52 <Roujo> I built an interpreter in Reno, but I can't recall why
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15:51:27 <boily> back from meeting!
15:51:42 <boily> Roujo: too lazy to check if Solain was The Questiöned. was he?
15:51:48 <boily> (or she. you never know.)
15:52:01 <Solain> there are no girls on the internet
15:52:08 <Solain> rule number something of the internet
15:52:36 <Bike> don't do this, man.
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15:53:03 <Solain> if you are so serious..
15:53:17 <Solain> [18:51] <boily> Roujo: too lazy to check if Solain was The Questiöned. was he?
15:54:27 <boily> Solain: he is Bike of the Innocuously Serious Replies. you can defeat him by lozenging his eyes.
15:54:56 <Solain> boily: i think i understood only 20% of that sentence
15:55:21 <boily> Solain: ask Koen (when he'll join) how he feels about not understanding what I say.
15:55:45 <Roujo> boily: I haven't Questiöned em, no. Not yet.
15:55:45 <Solain> boily: im afraid i wont understand him
15:56:00 <Solain> whats the deal with the weird o
15:56:37 <quintopia> you can save time and avoid tradition by just filling out the survey in the topic
15:56:50 <Solain> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1OvEsdBioOFcXFAiscO34kctUWKs3dWQs5-ZouXdwy9Q this?
15:57:06 <Solain> do you accept pesterchums?
15:57:08 <Bike> a lozenge is one of those diamond characters. ◊
15:57:13 <HackEgo> 1018) <Bike> ◊_______________________◊ <elliott> help. <Phantom_Hoover> jesus christ elliott <Phantom_Hoover> apply pressure evenly when jamming eyes open
15:57:24 <Solain> do you accept pesterchums?
15:57:29 <Bike> is that a drug
15:57:37 <Bike> well what's the point then.
15:57:47 <mnoqy> did someone say drugs
15:57:59 <quintopia> real people complain when you do things like kick them or shoot them in the eye
15:58:06 <Bike> mnoqy: #drugz.
15:58:15 <Bike> are you selling #drugz
15:58:18 <Bike> shachaf: often
15:58:47 <Solain> this is getting out of hand
15:59:14 <quintopia> Solain: nothing gets out of hand as long as you keep a beer there
15:59:14 <Roujo> A quart? Come on. Do I have to go all SI up on you? =P
15:59:26 <quintopia> (or a bottle of lean. whatever you prefer.)
15:59:40 <Bike> smoke hugs every day
16:00:39 <Solain> is narnia a legit country?
16:00:39 <Roujo> Brainfuck: My Anti-Drug
16:00:46 <Roujo> Depends on who you ask, though
16:00:52 <Roujo> Most people say no
16:01:01 <Roujo> You just have to find *those*
16:01:04 <Solain> i have sent the survey
16:01:08 <quintopia> Solain: i don't think so. all its kings and queens are in exile.
16:01:17 <mnoqy> did you put bogus answers on the survey
16:01:23 <mnoqy> the survey is very serious solain
16:01:25 <Roujo> quintopia: Do you need a government to have a country?
16:01:48 <Roujo> Putting in Narnia would fuck up the CoM big time
16:02:05 <quintopia> Narnia is in another galaxy isn't it
16:02:11 <Solain> now i finished the survey
16:02:11 <Roujo> Somewhere like that, yeah
16:02:16 <Roujo> Or another universe, even
16:02:21 <Roujo> Or another dimension entirely
16:02:33 <Solain> what the hell do you actually need my body wieght for
16:02:37 <quintopia> yeah. totes throwing off the centroid
16:02:39 <Roujo> Ïa! Ïa! Aslan fthang!
16:03:02 <quintopia> Solain: how would we find a center of mass without your approximate body weigh
16:03:04 <Solain> i just type dude in disgrace
16:04:03 <Roujo> Fun fact: Most lions exist
16:04:19 <shachaf> Roujo: Is that really true?
16:04:26 <shachaf> I know of several nonexistent lions.
16:04:27 <quintopia> Roujo: not true! there are far more lions in my imagination than in the world
16:04:36 <shachaf> I'm not sure I know of any existent ones.
16:04:39 <Roujo> quintopia: You haven't seen the Lion Dimension
16:04:53 <mnoqy> how often do you tell that joke shachaf
16:04:55 <Roujo> You just broke reality again
16:04:57 <elliott> if I asked what was going on, would the answer make sense to me and be satisfying?
16:05:04 <Roujo> elliott: Do you like lions?
16:05:10 <Bike> it would be boring though
16:05:22 <metasepia> --- Possible commands: dice, duck, echo, eval, fortune, metar, ping, yi
16:05:23 <Bike> a dead theologian
16:05:26 <elliott> getting a strong "no" vibe here
16:05:38 <Roujo> Then no, it wouldn't satisfy you
16:05:42 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov
16:05:49 <quintopia> pascal is the dude who invented the first mechanical calculator
16:05:51 <metasepia> His early work included the invention of the adding machine and syringe, and the co-development with Fermat of the mathematical theory of probability.
16:06:05 <HackEgo> cpressey invented the esolang, the pipe cleaner and the electrical mousse. \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
16:06:06 <Bike> quintopia: are you thinking of leibniz
16:06:11 <Solain> ~duck why are we learning pascal at school
16:06:43 <Bike> oh, pascal did it too.
16:07:03 <Solain> what are you generally talking bout?
16:07:12 <quintopia> it's easier to keep your business's books usng the pascaline!
16:07:19 <Bike> blaise pascal. he invented a calculator.
16:07:28 <mnoqy> an idea?? i love ideas
16:07:35 <Roujo> Remember that oerjan has this anti-hth script?
16:07:41 <Roujo> What if we kicked it up a notch
16:07:52 <Roujo> And put it on *your* client
16:07:53 <HackEgo> hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous. \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
16:08:05 <Roujo> So that it auto-kick people who say it =P
16:08:32 <elliott> if you want abuse of op power, you could just ask me directly.
16:08:45 <mnoqy> what's that face thing doing there
16:08:48 <quintopia> elliott: kick people who say hth hth
16:08:55 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o elliott.
16:08:58 -!- elliott has kicked quintopia if you insist.
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16:09:20 <Roujo> I take it that it actually helped =P
16:10:44 <Solain> phantom_hoover Phantom Michael Hoover is a true Scotsman and hatheist Phantom__Hoover can’t decide what an appropriate number of underscores is. Phantom___Hoover sucks at ghosting himself. phantom_______hoover It doesn’t get any better than this.
16:10:58 <Solain> wisdom pdf sure is wise
16:11:43 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ \? "$@" | perl -C7 -pe '$_ = uc' | sed -e s/[.?]/!/g -e 's/!\?$/!/' \ #!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ e
16:12:44 <Roujo> `run rm bin/cat hth
16:12:48 <HackEgo> rm: cannot remove `hth': No such file or directory
16:12:58 <Bike> Phantom_Hoover: i'm guessing it's the e cut off there
16:13:31 <Phantom_Hoover> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/file/8a05139b44fa/bin/%3F
16:14:08 <Solain> are you guyz using irc programs or the web client
16:14:22 <Solain> i dont know what is more comftrable
16:14:47 <Solain> ~duck "irc is useless"
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16:16:29 <metasepia> BeOS is an operating system for personal computers first developed by Be Inc. in 1991.
16:16:47 <metasepia> A registry mark given by underwriters to ships in first-class condition.
16:17:33 <Roujo> `run echo An ambitiöus new Esolanger who, although underage, is eager to learn. > wisdom/Solain
16:20:47 <Bike> that sounds worryingly sensible
16:20:48 <Solain> about duck and web crawlers
16:20:55 <Bike> can you work in a stupid joke about what country he's from, or something
16:21:27 <Solain> that sites use robots.txt to block ddos attack that hapoppes from web crawlers
16:22:23 <Koen__> I've heard him called "webhead" or "wall crawler" in the past, but never "web crawler"
16:22:39 <Solain> thats the official term
16:22:49 <Solain> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Web_crawler
16:23:04 <Roujo> Wall crawlers > Web crawlers
16:23:17 <Roujo> Since you can run out of webs, but you'll never run out of walls
16:23:33 <Roujo> Can you build a web?
16:23:36 <Roujo> Can you build a wall?
16:23:38 <Solain> you can never run out of webz
16:23:44 <Roujo> Which one sounds easier?
16:23:58 <Roujo> How many web-builders do you know?
16:24:03 <Roujo> How many wall-builders are there?
16:24:18 <Solain> but there is only one web)
16:24:22 <Roujo> Your father is a spider?
16:24:33 <Solain> dudeeeeeeeee im talking about the internetz
16:24:43 <Roujo> You mean the Interwebs?
16:24:48 <Roujo> Mucho webs right there
16:24:53 <Solain> whatever floats your boat
16:24:59 <Roujo> My boat sank in '84
16:25:12 <Roujo> Along with her love
16:25:26 <Solain> write a book, make a fortune
16:26:03 <Roujo> Solain: Did you know about humans.txt?
16:26:13 <Solain> i dont even want to hear about it
16:26:22 <Roujo> http://www.google.com/humans.txt
16:27:05 <Roujo> If I was, could I look you in the eye and say I want to meet your daughter?
16:27:26 <Solain> dont have adaughter m8
16:27:46 <Roujo> I was sure e had one
16:28:09 <Solain> didnt we allready talk bout that ima under-aged
16:28:46 <metasepia> Solanin is a Japanese manga written and illustrated by Inio Asano.
16:29:01 <Solain> thats not even utterly funny
16:29:12 <Roujo> Didn't I just add that entry?
16:29:16 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: /run: No such file or directory \ /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: /run: cannot execute: No such file or directory
16:29:18 <HackEgo> a.c \ a.out \ bdsmreclist \ bi \ bin \ bsdmreclist \ canary \ delvs \ delvs-master \ dog \ etc \ factor \ gg \ god \ hi-bool.bf \ ibin \ interps \ lib \ master.tar.gz \ multiply.bf \ no \ paste \ pref \ prefs \ quines \ quotes \ raise_them \ random \ run \ share \ src \ wisdom \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
16:29:35 <Solain> WHAT THE HELL IS THE FOLDER NAME
16:29:49 <Solain> STOP RAISING YOUR DONGERS MAN
16:29:52 <Bike> the folder name of what
16:30:24 <Solain> does it matter? he is all there raising his dongers
16:31:12 <Roujo> `run echo ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ > wisdom/Solain
16:31:22 <Solain> no! put those dongers down right now!
16:31:45 <Roujo> `run cat wisdom/Solain
16:31:56 <Bike> `run cat $(which ?)
16:31:58 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ \? "$@" | perl -C7 -pe '$_ = uc' | sed -e s/[.?]/!/g -e 's/!\?$/!/' \ #!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ e
16:32:32 <Bike> So, what are your thoughts on the computational theory of mind.
16:32:35 <Solain> how am i going to make an esolang which is all made from loops
16:32:47 <Bike> i dunno. make some shit up. fuck it. fuck everything.
16:32:48 <Roujo> Bike: I think we're NP-Hard
16:33:23 <Bike> while 1; do echo ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ; done
16:33:28 <Bike> `run while 1; do echo ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ; done
16:33:29 <HackEgo> bash: 1: command not found
16:33:40 <Bike> `run while true; do echo ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ; done
16:33:42 <HackEgo> ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ \ ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ﾉ
16:33:47 <Solain> cause it will be my first interepter
16:33:47 <elliott> can you try putting more than one word on each line ;_;
16:34:08 <Roujo> Says the new guy to the operator
16:34:37 <Koen__> you do realize hitting " " isn't any harder than hitting '
16:34:39 <Solain> op has alot oh responsob on his\her shoulders
16:35:23 -!- elliott has set channel mode: +m.
16:36:32 -!- elliott has set channel mode: -m.
16:36:35 -!- elliott has set channel mode: +v quintopia.
16:36:47 <Roujo> Voice the sane ones, they said
16:37:09 <Roujo> The whole channel got muted =P
16:37:15 <quintopia> funny thing. just after the muting i said.
16:37:44 <Solain> did the op do dat for de lolz and giglez
16:37:44 <quintopia> < quintopia> elliott: can you kick people who don't write their whole message in the same PRIVMSG
16:38:20 <elliott> I do everything for de lolz and giglez!
16:38:25 <Koen__> or we could tell the bot to kick any one who speaks twice in a row
16:39:46 <Solain> is the irch channel hosted on the esolang wiki server?
16:39:55 <Bike> it is on the freenode network.
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16:40:52 <Bike> so you can join exciting programming channels like #PHP and #django.
16:41:00 <elliott> my autocratic control of the esoteric languages universe has not yet extended to the IRC servers
16:41:15 <Bike> "except for this whole op thing, i mean"
16:41:20 <Bike> "got that going pretty solid"
16:41:43 <Roujo> elliott is op, please nerf
16:41:44 <elliott> it's just not the same unless you can k-line people ;_;
16:42:03 <Roujo> Start irc.esolangs.org!
16:42:42 <Solain> "elliott is op, please nerf" better nerf irelia
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16:50:19 <elliott> as in I host the read-only archive that is all that's left of it
16:50:27 <elliott> also the mailing list is completely broken now, I think
16:53:41 <Solain> well, ill be back at 20-60 min
16:53:46 <Roujo> New Brainfuck Variant
16:53:53 <Roujo> New Spoons For All
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17:00:06 <boily> back from lunch, my terminal is trying to send me sublinicodal messages, and I get mentioned through the eldritch noise.
17:00:18 <boily> pray tell what just happened?
17:01:12 <boily> that's good. elliott can now serve as an example case that I myself am not insane :D
17:01:52 -!- Solain has joined.
17:03:45 <Solain> lets talk about our favourite food
17:04:09 <boily> very nice. a coworker and I went to a new place. it was vegetarian and lentilly :)
17:04:19 <boily> Solain: your dad is your favourite food???
17:04:53 <Solain> my faviroute food is sushi
17:04:59 <boily> quintopia: how does it feel to be voiced? is it kmcesque?
17:05:01 <Solain> or however you type it in english
17:05:11 <boily> Solain: where are you from?
17:05:31 <elliott> Solain: fiora, is that you? :o
17:05:40 <Solain> to not awake political dissucsions, ill say narnia
17:05:49 <quintopia> boily: it feels like normal, except that if elliott has to mute the weirdos again, it won't stop me from feeling normal
17:06:06 <Solain> i dont even know who fiore is
17:06:52 <Solain> WHY WOULD IM MASK MY IP IN ESOLANG IRC
17:07:08 <Solain> also i thought im on irc node
17:07:26 <Solain> gawd this is worse than the skype ip exploit
17:07:59 <Solain> also, i didnt want to say that im from israel so you would start a political debate or something
17:08:03 <quintopia> it's not an exploit if it's the intended behavior
17:08:04 <boily> (元のバージョンは「寿司」と言うが、sushiが可能です。)
17:08:15 <Solain> "you land robbers" or something like dat
17:08:38 <Solain> [20:08] <+quintopia> it's not an exploit if it's the intended behavior''''' did you read how the ip exploit work?
17:08:40 <quintopia> Solain: i don't think there are any palestinians in this channel, so it shouldn't turn political in any case.
17:08:49 <boily> Solain: you're not the only israelite in there, and I have a nifty list of approximate coördinates :D
17:08:53 <Solain> its not only palestains
17:09:03 <quintopia> Solain: i type /whois and the server tells me your IP
17:09:14 <Solain> you can also double click my name
17:09:41 <elliott> I'm pretty sure it's possible for people who aren't from Palestine to have an opinion on the conflict, but I'm also sure that I'm going to get really tempted to +m again if it happens as inanely as this seems to be edging towards
17:09:43 <Solain> talked about different subjects
17:10:12 <Solain> this also isnt brainfuck coded platform, alas we talk about brainfuck
17:10:39 <quintopia> raise your hand if you talk about brainfuck
17:10:43 <Solain> im breaking my fingers here, i like to type short
17:11:11 <quintopia> nope i don't think we talk about brainfuck. perhaps you meant to say underload
17:12:43 <Solain> i wanted to learn how to code an interepter in C
17:12:48 <Solain> but you keep this as a secret
17:13:02 <boily> Solain: you are probably in Tel Aviv, or near it.
17:13:21 <Solain> ip location can find the supplier on the internet
17:13:48 <quintopia> good enough for the CoM i think boily
17:13:49 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +v kmc.
17:13:58 <boily> I'm used to Canadian dimensions, so for me you are near Tel Aviv anyway :p
17:14:03 <kmc> a song is a weapon
17:14:11 <kmc> hi quintopia
17:14:13 <boily> quintopia: what's a CoM?
17:14:31 <kmc> Solain: I am that I am
17:14:42 <Solain> you are kitten mortality complex
17:14:49 <boily> quintopia: I'll write that. what's the average humanoïd mass in israel?
17:15:41 * boily whacks Solain with a blubbery blue whale
17:15:47 <quintopia> Solain: what's your average body weigh man we're dying to know
17:15:48 <Roujo> Android 4.4 is named KitKat
17:15:48 <kmc> boily: for some reason a large portion of the music I listen to is from Montréal
17:16:15 <Roujo> kmc: That's nice. Such as? =)
17:16:32 <metasepia> American jurist who was dean of Harvard Law School and wrote several influential books, including The Spirit of the Common Law.
17:16:33 <boily> kmc: nice! amon tobin? l'orkestre des pas perdus? jérôme minière? arcade fire?
17:16:40 <kmc> GY!BE and their 50 side projects
17:16:44 <Solain> duuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuude
17:16:47 <kmc> also Stars
17:16:57 <elliott> Solain: can you stop flooding please?
17:16:58 <kmc> Arcade Fire is pretty good too
17:17:16 <Solain> for me it isnt flooding cause im on the web platform
17:17:25 <Roujo> Flooding is flooding - just say no
17:17:34 <kmc> also I like "of Montreal" but they are from Georgia :3
17:17:35 <boily> flooding: not even once.
17:17:46 <Roujo> I support and do so
17:18:07 <quintopia> we should talk about music that isn't from montreal
17:18:08 <elliott> kmc: was just trying to think of how to mention of montreal in re: the above
17:18:19 <Roujo> Now, can anyone help me find why `? Solain doesn't work? =/
17:18:44 <Roujo> `? run cat wisdom/Solain
17:18:45 <HackEgo> run cat wisdom/Solain? ¯\(°_o)/¯
17:18:51 <Roujo> `run cat wisdom/Solain
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17:19:12 <Solain> HAVE I BECOME YOUR MEME
17:19:15 <Roujo> Oh. It's case-sensitive?
17:19:24 <Roujo> `run mv wisdom/Solain wisdom/solain
17:19:39 <Roujo> quintopia: Thanks =)
17:20:10 <Solain> does anybody here read homestuck?
17:20:24 <mnoqy> let's never speak of this again
17:21:04 <HackEgo> Homestuck is a cult religion for disaffected teens. Gamzee drives the bus. Best summarized by http://www.mspaintadventures.com/storyfiles/hs2/05743.gif
17:21:09 <quintopia> i'd be happy to not speak of homestuck with you mnoqy. i was planning on doing that anyway.
17:21:45 <mnoqy> thanks quintopia i'm glad you understand
17:21:59 <metasepia> Homestuck is a webcomic written, illustrated, and animated by Andrew Hussie, and is the fourth overall webcomic published on MS Paint Adventures.
17:23:46 <Solain> what a wonderful silence, someone has to ruin it
17:24:19 <mnoqy> do you say that every time nobody speaks for one and a half minute
17:24:30 <kmc> should i read homestuck
17:24:34 <Solain> i said that for the first time
17:24:40 * boily repeatedly applies kinetic energy onto Solain with a +2 wooden curmudgeon of Blam
17:24:44 <kmc> maybe i should read Ulysses first
17:24:51 <quintopia> silence is a good means of not talking about homestuck
17:25:04 <Roujo> Kinetic energy is best ergy
17:25:07 <boily> (a very nice curmudgeon made of driftwood. very aerodynamic.)
17:25:35 <quintopia> boily: a curmudgeon is an old grumpy person
17:25:52 <boily> quintopia: and? I don't see any problem with that.
17:25:52 <quintopia> i think you'd get more Blam with a cudgel
17:26:03 <boily> I'm not that violent.
17:26:09 <metasepia> curmudgeon definition: '''archaic''' miser.
17:26:45 <Roujo> And yet it's pretty damn accurate
17:26:50 <metasepia> miser definition: a mean grasping person; '''especially''' one who is extremely stingy with money.
17:27:02 <metasepia> In soil science, humus refers to any organic matter that has reached a point of stability, where it will break down no further and might, if conditions do not change, remain as it is for centuries, if not millennia.
17:27:07 <metasepia> Hummus (-OEOQ5) is a Middle Eastern and Arabic food dip or spread made from cooked, mashed chickpeas blended with tahini, olive oil, lemon juice, salt and garlic.
17:27:21 <kmc> Solain: Homestuck is like 6,000 pages...
17:27:32 <coppro> you appear to be new here
17:27:42 <Solain> you apper to be new here to me
17:27:57 <Solain> kmc dude, homestuck is long
17:29:10 <Solain> you want me to shut up for a while?
17:30:03 <quintopia> if you're volunteering, i'm more than willing to rubber-stamp your application
17:30:24 <Solain> i didnt understand 80% of that sentance
17:30:25 * boily wraps Solain in Hello Kitty Duct Tape and hogties him to a ceiling in a very post-modern and decorative manner
17:30:27 <kmc> i'll notorize
17:31:33 <Solain> look, i just ant to know where can i learn how to build an interepter and ill shut up for some good hours
17:31:52 <kmc> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Write_Yourself_a_Scheme_in_48_Hours
17:31:58 <Roujo> It's not that you talk a lot, most of us do
17:32:16 <Roujo> Well, erm. Some of us, anyway.
17:32:23 <nooodl> kmc: that's pretty overkill imo
17:32:28 <kmc> really annoying
17:32:40 <kmc> nooodl: more like underkill
17:32:49 <kmc> too close for missiles
17:32:50 <mnoqy> how about just plain old kill
17:32:50 <Solain> ill try to type everything in one sentence, but it really kills my hands
17:33:16 <mnoqy> that's the strangest excuse i've heard in quite some time
17:33:25 <Solain> i got used to typing in \n, and ijust cant shake it off
17:33:29 <quintopia> you're just afraid that attention will move away from you if you spend a minute without saying something
17:33:32 <Roujo> `run ls wisdom/kill
17:33:34 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/kill: No such file or directory
17:33:39 <Roujo> `run cat kill | over | under | echo > wisdom/kill
17:33:42 <HackEgo> bash: under: command not found \ bash: over: command not found \ cat: kill: No such file or directory
17:34:15 <Solain> i can just talk in one sentence and attention still will be gotton (this is a total gramatic mistake)
17:34:35 <Solain> but it literally makes my arms hurt
17:35:16 <kmc> why does it hurt less to hit 'enter' more?
17:35:22 <Solain> im a gamer, ergonomics is what i need partly, so im going to get a new keyboard soon
17:35:42 <mnoqy> that's the first time i've heard someone describe themself as a gamer
17:35:50 <Solain> im not a doctor when it comes to muscles
17:35:55 <kmc> buy the kinesis contoured, it's amazincg
17:36:02 <boily> `learn gotton is a quantum of attention. Solain drives the packet.
17:36:09 <Solain> im buying the blackwidow 2013
17:36:10 <kmc> `addquote <Solain> im not a doctor when it comes to muscles
17:36:13 <HackEgo> 1098) <Solain> im not a doctor when it comes to muscles
17:36:29 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.18855
17:36:47 <kmc> BlackWIDOW ULTRA BigFoot DOMINATOR MurderKill XXXTREEME Gamer Keyboard
17:36:51 <kmc> with MILITARY GRADE CAPACITORS
17:37:09 <Roujo> Then again, I have a Das Keyboard
17:37:12 <boily> hey, people addquoted me in my absence! I... not quite resent that. in fact, I feel particularly flattered :)
17:37:34 <nooodl> i'm still not in `pastequotes
17:37:36 <elliott> did they make the build quality on das keyboards not awful yet?
17:38:11 <Solain> <+kmc> BlackWIDOW ULTRA BigFoot''''' bigfoot?
17:38:13 <kmc> damnit Gregor send a charset UTF-8 header already
17:38:15 <Roujo> Got the Ultimate version with MX Brown switched
17:39:19 <boily> nooodl: no idea why. you should have a sudden insanity surge à la fungot, mixed with elliottisms and say something that involves pineapples and a random nordic country.
17:39:19 <fungot> boily: perhaps, if more and more dwarfs were coming to work much better :) draw'd it off, it wasn't. holy cow, i never claimed that the victim) subject:re: `which fnord echo
17:39:38 <Solain> i didnt really understand the page of
17:40:25 <Solain> i didnt really understand the page of "build yourself a scheme in 48 hr", the first page says it teaches haskell
17:41:04 <Roujo> Do you want to teach you a Haskell instead?
17:41:14 <kmc> `quote 1064
17:41:16 <HackEgo> 1064) <Taneb> I would like to learn how to use a sword <Taneb> And also how to ride a unicycle <Taneb> Perhaps not at the same time
17:41:56 <Solain> SOLAIN CANT COMPILE, ERROR ERROR
17:42:56 <kmc> `quote 1037
17:42:57 <HackEgo> 1037) <Bike> can sex be liberated from the von neumann position
17:42:58 <Solain> i do not understand what is going on here, i want to learn how to build an interepter, is haskell part of it?
17:43:05 <metasepia> Haskell - A lazy purely functional language largely derived from Miranda but with several extensions.
17:43:24 <Solain> it is a language, i dont want to build my interepter in haskell
17:43:27 <Roujo> s/several/extensive/g
17:43:38 <quintopia> Solain: what language do you want to use
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17:43:44 <boily> s/extensive/a fungotload of/g
17:43:44 <fungot> boily: if it's ( syntactically) long, and brainfuck command keys. its a terrorst training video we better get gwb on to another crash
17:44:08 <Roujo> Solain: You could start by making an interpreter of a known language
17:44:12 <Roujo> To get the hang of it
17:44:19 <Roujo> Then make your own esolang and do it again ^^
17:44:31 <Solain> that clever, where do i start?
17:44:43 <Roujo> Solain: What does an interpreter do?
17:45:02 <boily> once you reach metacircularity, you'll know you'll have started.
17:45:23 <Solain> another thing, how do you msg people in irc?
17:45:34 <Roujo> Solain: A compiler compiles, an interpreter interprets
17:45:50 <Roujo> /part #esolang username msg
17:45:58 <Roujo> /part #esoteric username msg
17:46:22 <quintopia> http://www.icemanind.com/ might help Solain
17:46:30 -!- Solain has left ("Roujo test").
17:46:37 <fungot> boily: am i that much bad. take up, boy; open't. so, now go with, do miscarrie, thou had'st bin resolute pompey
17:46:42 <quintopia> "virtual machine" is a way of obfuscating "interpreter"
17:47:09 -!- Solain has joined.
17:47:10 <boily> «ce n'est, qu'un au revoir, mon cher... ♪♪♪»
17:47:30 <Solain> why did you msg command got me out of the room and into a load of text
17:48:25 <Solain> anyway (sorry for the /n), can you send the link again? i got out of the room before i opend it
17:48:36 <Roujo> <+quintopia> http://www.icemanind.com/ might help Solain
17:48:44 <Roujo> <+quintopia> "virtual machine" is a way of obfuscating "interpreter"
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17:51:38 <Solain> inter just runs the code
17:52:44 <Roujo> Not as far as we know
17:52:52 <Roujo> Though I guess it can be arranged
17:53:14 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: Roujo and I are brother experts.
17:53:26 <boily> Roujo: we should start a consulting cabinet for brotherly needs.
17:54:05 <Solain> are you bilogical brothers or social bros?
17:54:41 <Taneb> boily, I'm holding my brother's college ID hostage
17:54:50 <Taneb> Can you give me advice how to proceed?
17:54:55 <boily> Solain: neither. that's too commonplace and plebeian a concept of brotherhood. nothing less than multiple bro-levels of enterprisey indirection.
17:55:15 <Gregor> Taneb: Is there a REASON you're doing this?
17:55:18 <Roujo> Very canadiany indeed
17:55:19 <Solain> thats like, quadrants of brotherhood?
17:55:21 <boily> Taneb: go to bars. dispatch rubber ducks.
17:55:23 <kmc> `quote 1006
17:55:25 <HackEgo> 1006) <ThatOtherPerson> Do you have a girlfriend, fungot? <fungot> ThatOtherPerson: there's two.
17:55:38 <Taneb> Gregor, he stole one of my tee-shirts
17:55:46 <Taneb> THAT I WAS GOING TO USE FOR COSPLAY
17:55:50 <Taneb> Solain, "quadrants"?
17:56:05 <boily> Taneb: your brother is a meanie. you just don't do that.
17:56:06 <metasepia> Used to refer to that one previously mentioned.
17:56:17 <Solain> if yoy have doubt, just duck it!
17:56:23 <metasepia> The Yoy people are an ethnic group in Southeast Asia.
17:56:34 <boily> Roujo: darn. you ninjaoyed me.
17:56:47 * Roujo does the Crane Stance, Brother Variant
17:56:57 <metasepia> quadrant definition: an instrument for measuring altitudes consisting commonly of a graduated arc of 90 degrees with an index or vernier and usually having a plumb line or spirit level for fixing the vertical or horizontal direction.
17:57:15 <fungot> Phantom_Hoover: use the ' ' ' delete a value of type " airbus is a big fan of avril....but this song " there? it's clearly not necessary to achieve the planned than fnord since no sign, perhaps, it may be said that particularly here, parliament will give a single instance,
17:57:17 <Roujo> I think I played that game. Got stuck in the spirit level, though.
17:58:00 <boily> having an ouya is bad for your wallet. the games are cheap, so you pop them like a tube of pringles and the fun can't stop.
17:58:03 <metasepia> quadrant definition: an instrument for measuring altitudes consisting commonly of a graduated arc of 90 degrees with an index or vernier and usually having a plumb line or spirit level for fixing the vertical or horizontal direction.
17:58:24 <boily> (which by itself is perfectly fine, but I'd prefer to leave my wallet intact in the process.)
17:58:36 <Roujo> boily: Yeah, I should finally get mine soon
17:58:42 <Roujo> Well, soon-ish anyway
17:59:24 <Phantom_Hoover> boily, i'm tempted to be all like 'oh i heard it was shit' but even i'm getting annoyed with myself by now
18:00:23 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: it works well. the games are either retro, completely addictive, hilarious, or all of that at the same time.
18:00:46 <Phantom_Hoover> i swear this channel's more bots than people these days
18:01:31 <boily> oh, right. sorry, my mem's faulty here.
18:01:48 <HackEgo> myndzi keeps us all on our feet
18:01:51 * boily sticks a drumstick in Solain's ear and wiggle it a little
18:02:34 <Solain> im try to learn how to build a VM here
18:02:47 <Solain> and you are sticking sticks in my ear (thus the /n)
18:03:08 <Roujo> I got my languages mixed up there
18:03:21 <boily> *wiggle* *wiggle* *wiggle* :D
18:03:35 <Solain> btw, roujo, the link you sent? it contains a lot of assmebly
18:03:47 <Roujo> Solain: That was quintopia
18:04:01 <Roujo> Also, the point still stands that you can write an interpreter in any language
18:04:15 <Solain> i can, but i dont know how
18:04:30 <Roujo> Picking ASM probably isn't the best idea ever
18:04:36 <Roujo> Unless you're really good with ASM already
18:04:41 <Solain> i can also shoot light bolts from my head, but whats the point if i dont know how right?
18:05:08 <Solain> and i suck with asm, never understood it, never will
18:05:14 <boily> good thing the drumstick is made of wood. wouldn't wand myself getting electrocuted here.
18:05:22 <Roujo> Solain: Then don't do it with ASM
18:05:30 <Roujo> Do it in C, since you seem to like that
18:05:57 <Solain> but i dont know how, i didnt find any type of link in google or tut or guide
18:06:06 <Roujo> Think about what it's supposed to do
18:06:16 <Roujo> Define what it should do, and start from taht
18:06:32 <Taneb> boily, my tee-shirt has been returned
18:06:40 <Taneb> Thus I have returned his college ID card
18:06:43 <boily> Taneb: have you kept the ID as collateral?
18:07:00 <Solain> WAIT I HAVE AN C LEARNING BOOK WHICH CONTAINS A WHOLCE CHAPTER DEDICATED TO THIS
18:07:12 <boily> ~duck dielectric constant of a drumstick
18:07:50 <Roujo> `run echo Caps Lock is cruise control for cool > "wisdom/caps lock"
18:08:10 <Solain> only caps can demonstrate my anger
18:08:13 <boily> Solain: actual advice: start with Python. it is sane, and will help you build up interpreters in no time.
18:08:36 <Taneb> Solain, I have a C learning book which has obfuscation in the introduction
18:08:37 <boily> Solain: then you're free to go. all my public interps. are in python or ruby.
18:09:35 <Solain> taneb, didnt catch the point; boily, i think you are right
18:09:50 <Taneb> Solain, there really wasn't a point, I'm afraid
18:10:30 <boily> Roujo: I feel Chinese is even better at cruising than caps. you get full height double width chars!
18:10:36 <boily> (e.g. 我種鱸魚鱸魚amanchée錯了！)
18:11:03 <Roujo> boily: Désolé, mais c'est du chinois pour moi =/
18:11:23 <boily> hook, line, sinker... I really walked into that one, eh?
18:12:43 <Solain> whats like the averge age range of active users in this irc? im asking this because im feel like im the youngest one here
18:13:08 <elliott> I remember the good old days when I was the youngest person here
18:13:13 <Roujo> boily: That you did. Mostly the line part, though. The rest just follows your heart~~
18:13:19 <elliott> except they were bad rather than good
18:13:22 <Roujo> elliott: That can be arranged in one of many ways
18:13:52 <mnoqy> elliott: darn that asiekierka
18:13:59 <boily> I think JesseH was the youngest.
18:14:13 <mnoqy> why do you say? :)
18:14:19 <boily> @tell asiekierka who are you? how do you appröximate? weigh weigh pon pon pon?
18:14:45 <Roujo> That's going to be a wat moment. I hope I'm around.
18:15:06 <boily> mnoqy: I reckon so, but you know the legendary bad state my memory is in.
18:15:45 <Solain> 15 birthdays, 16 years
18:16:25 <boily> not so bad; about a sixth of a cpressey.
18:16:45 <HackEgo> cpressey invented the esolang, the pipe cleaner and the electrical mousse.
18:17:31 <HackEgo> cpressey invented the esolang, the pipe cleaner and the electrical mousse.
18:17:41 <Solain> you have quite a collection of bots here
18:18:11 <Solain> i wasnt sure if you were joking
18:18:37 <boily> he has won half the battle.
18:18:41 <Solain> get your stick out of my ear
18:19:34 <Roujo> s/stick/non-euclidian apparatus/g
18:20:33 <boily> Solain: ask oerjan :D
18:20:44 <Solain> tell me the robotic ways
18:21:37 <Phantom_Hoover> it's 'happy to help'; please stop using ~duck as a first line of inquiry
18:21:42 <boily> Solain: fetch an existing library. tweak what you want. expand. encompass. assimilate.
18:21:49 <Roujo> Wasn't it "hope that helps"?
18:21:56 <boily> Phantom_Hoover: what have you got against my fine bot? :p
18:22:06 <boily> Roujo: no, it's help from a hairy toe.
18:22:40 <metasepia> LLBG 031820Z 28005KT 9999 FEW027 28/21 Q1010 NOSIG
18:22:54 <HackEgo> hth is help received from a hairy toe. It is not at all hambiguitous.
18:23:08 <Roujo> That sounds like something you'd put in
18:23:16 <Roujo> I object, your hönor
18:23:33 <Solain> if not duck, where do i get my first line of help from? hackego? you got to have a robot for that if you have so many robots
18:23:46 <Roujo> We don't have a robot for love
18:25:49 <Solain> anyway, any dude who programmed with python, what version of python is better: 2.7 or 3? i had arguments about this and alot
18:26:30 <kmc> why do you only want to hear from dudes
18:27:15 <mnoqy> "dude" is all encompassing
18:27:19 <mnoqy> even pets and flowers are dudes
18:27:27 <Roujo> Especially flowers
18:28:09 <boily> I want to buy a cactus for our next dand session.
18:28:13 <Solain> you want me to change so much, in the end i will only say "hello im dave" and become one of your robots
18:28:18 <kmc> Solain: Python 3 is better in prinicple, but doesn't have the library support etc. just yet
18:28:59 <Phantom_Hoover> i still don't actually know any differences between the two beyond print being different
18:29:17 <kmc> they unfucked the Unicode support a bit
18:29:24 <kmc> mostly by renaming 'str' to 'bytes' and 'unicode' to 'str'
18:29:49 <kmc> but also by being more strict about mixing them
18:30:31 <Solain> but as you used, libary support is problematic
18:30:37 <kmc> also a lot of stuff has changed to return iterators, so you don't need xrange or .iteritems() etc.
18:31:13 <elliott> my contract states right here that I have to tell you the best version of python is called haskell 2010
18:31:32 <boily> btw, now that lenses have the haskelling sphere's attention, what about iteratees and such?
18:37:09 <Solain> i always found 64 bit installations of any kind be problamtic to my computer, doest matter what kind of program the prgram is, most of the if i will download a 64 bit installation of it i will have problems, 32 bit doesnt have them
18:37:43 <Roujo> Is your OS 32-bit? Because that would make things weird.
18:37:46 <kmc> i curse thee
18:38:26 <Solain> i have 8 ram of memory in pc
18:39:01 <boily> I prefer goat memory. I feel it's more reliable, like a vinyl over a CD.
18:39:11 <Roujo> boily: Dodging the question
18:39:19 <Solain> whole? dual channel, 2 cards its 4
18:39:19 <Taneb> `addquote <boily> I prefer goat memory. I feel it's more reliable, like a vinyl over a CD.
18:39:23 <HackEgo> 1099) <boily> I prefer goat memory. I feel it's more reliable, like a vinyl over a CD.
18:40:09 <Roujo> boily: So I take it you prefer the goat's analog feel?
18:40:39 <Solain> http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2013/174/2/b/goat_meme_by_existtraiesc-d6ab6ga.jpg
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18:40:57 <mnoqy> let's not go there
18:41:14 <Solain> why? feel the power almighty of the drunken goat
18:43:01 * boily straps Solain with Christmas lights that strobe arhythmic patterns (and an Arduino to power them)
18:43:28 <Solain> you actually know what an arduino is?
18:43:44 <Roujo> Look at the channel
18:44:24 <Roujo> Anyway, yeah, people here are pretty tech-savvy
18:44:34 <Roujo> We're talking about people who make esolangs *for fun*
18:45:02 <Roujo> People to which a Turing Tarpit is both defined and a possible goal
18:45:29 <Roujo> So yes, people will probably know about Arduino, and they'll probably know a thing or two about robots.txt
18:46:12 <Roujo> The Internet is a wonderful thing. You meet people of all types, with all kinds of background
18:46:23 <Roujo> A carp a day, they said. Well, they were right.
18:47:14 <Solain> i got used to hangout with people that are only in one tech group or another, so getting to know people who a moderate amount a some groups quite alot of these people at once is new to me
18:48:20 <Solain> for example, a dude who both programs and both is an (i dont know th word in english) *works with elctric circuits* is quite unsusual to me
18:48:37 <Solain> quite it is two totally different genres from my point of view
18:48:43 <Roujo> It's mostly that there's a lot of overlap here
18:49:12 <Roujo> As individuals, we don't know everything. As a channel, we do.
18:49:56 <boily> as a computer engineer, I overlap over myself :D
18:50:09 <Solain> you can never know everything, because if you dont know something than how you dont know that you dont know it
18:50:37 <Roujo> But you can know that you don't know something
18:50:55 <Roujo> I know that I don't know how to cook squid
18:51:07 <Solain> but you know what cooking and squid is
18:51:10 <Roujo> What's your point?
18:51:43 <Solain> Glory to the hypnotoad
18:52:33 * boily wires up 30 amperes on Solain's lights...
18:52:48 <fungot> olsner: i would like to join? the hell
18:53:30 <Solain> how much of you are robots?
18:54:41 <Roujo> You can make people dance, too
18:54:50 <Roujo> What was it again?
18:55:00 <Solain> i want ot know how to type like you
18:55:05 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: celebrate: not found
18:55:19 <fungot> \o| c.c \o/ ಠ_ಠ \m/ \m/ \o_ c.c _o/ \m/ \m/ ಠ_ಠ \o/ c.c |o/
18:55:19 <myndzi> | c.c.c | ¯|¯⌠ `\o/´ | c.c.c | `\o/´ ¯|¯⌠ | c.c.c |
18:55:19 <myndzi> /< c.c >\ /| | | >\ c.c |\ | /| |/´\ c.c /|
18:55:30 <Roujo> There we go. Thanks, olsner
18:55:48 <Roujo> Solain: Just use your keyboard to type, it works pretty well so far.
18:55:56 <boily> Solain: learn the Way of the IRC. everything is a /part of the great whole.
18:56:30 <Solain> ./gimme didnt work, so didnt /su nor /help or /man
18:57:12 * boily switches on the lights from far away, wearing a pair of tempered glass goggles
18:57:14 <Solain> i want my cookiez, my lovely irc flavuored cookiez
18:57:44 <Solain> switch your lightz how much you want, im not in than anymore, your beloved teddy bear is
18:58:24 <Roujo> Yup, he's gone mad
18:58:28 <Roujo> boily: Is that a new record?
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18:59:08 <boily> Roujo: I guess so. from my quite sane standpoint, I concur.
18:59:36 <Solain> you wanted to melt my skin off with christmas lights, if someone is mad it is you!
19:00:17 <Solain> and to top off the crime with sin, you added an arduino to the mix
19:01:33 <Roujo> It's no fun if you can't overclock the PCB, innit?
19:03:01 <olsner> hmm, why does "coördinate" only parse as a noun and not as a verb for me?
19:03:09 * Solain brakes the arduino into small tiny tiny tiny tiny pieces
19:03:13 <Roujo> Because it's a noun?
19:03:25 <olsner> no, coordinate is also a verb
19:03:28 <Roujo> Solain: There you go. Lv2 in IRCing now. Keep it up.
19:03:34 <olsner> e.g. coordinating people
19:03:35 <Roujo> Sure, but coördinate isn't.
19:04:17 <boily> it's... uhm... poëtic liberty applied to a wonderful word that scans so well. so it's a verbal noun, I say.
19:05:38 <boily> at least it's not an い-adjective. I never quite got over the fact that you have to conjugate the adjective, not the verb.
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19:05:53 <olsner> who's the resident diaeresologist/lexicographer?
19:06:00 <Roujo> public void onUpgrade(SQLiteDatabase arg0, int arg1, int arg2) {
19:06:00 <Roujo> // Useless, as there is only One True Version of the Database so far
19:06:12 <olsner> good argument naming too
19:06:28 <boily> olsner: I think it's me, even if my views are considered unorthodox by some of this channel's regulars.
19:06:38 <olsner> hmm, but you're french?
19:06:59 <boily> olsner: Canadian. there's a big nuance.
19:07:35 <Roujo> French Canadian. So yeah
19:07:45 <Roujo> olsner: public void onUpgrade(SQLiteDatabase database, int fromVersion, int toVersion)
19:07:50 <Roujo> Fixed it for you =P
19:08:22 <boily> Roujo: ouais bon, on s'ostinera pas sur des détails sémantiques de même, là là...
19:08:41 <Solain> יהיה לכם נוח אם אני אדבר בעברית? אה?
19:08:46 <boily> olsner: so, did you have a diæ̈retic question?
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19:09:34 <boily> Solain: I catch the 'hi hi' at the end, but the rest stumps me. I guess that's also a 'ha?', but I'm not sure.
19:11:09 <olsner> boily: yes, the coördinate (n) vs coördinate (v) thing
19:11:26 <olsner> both should work if either works, right?
19:12:15 <boily> Solain: you can hebrew, しかし僕は日本語で話しているwww^^
19:13:05 <olsner> speaking of words, I wonder who came up with moving the stress aroudn in excellent and excel
19:15:08 <boily> ain't the first “e” stressed?
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19:17:16 <olsner> dictionary.com gives them as ik-*sel* and *ek*-suh-luhnt
19:18:36 <Roujo> Then again, it says "legit" is "luh-*git*", so meh
19:18:45 <Solain> you what is the main problem living in israel? no good books in hebrew nor english
19:18:57 <Roujo> Learn Japanese then
19:18:58 <Solain> they dont import any kind of books relating to computers
19:19:03 <olsner> Roujo: that is how it's said
19:19:07 <Solain> [22:18] <Solain> they dont import any kind of books relating to computers
19:19:17 <Roujo> Did you just quote yourself?
19:20:16 <Solain> i just clarified myself in this situation in praticular
19:20:58 <Roujo> olsner: In non-Canadia, mayhaps
19:23:09 <olsner> weird, how do canadians say legit then?
19:24:16 <Roujo> I just didn't say it that way for the longest time
19:24:31 <Roujo> Didn't help that I never heard it out lound until about 3 months ago
19:24:39 <Roujo> That was about a year ago
19:25:09 <olsner> oh, with a hard(?) g instead of j?
19:26:13 <Roujo> It's just that most French-Canadians I know didn't pronounce it right
19:26:27 <Roujo> Until they were exposed to it
19:26:31 <Roujo> Namely my friends and I =P
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19:26:54 <boily> I say «légitime». so there. hth.
19:27:34 <boily> (otherwise, if I'm forced to say it in English, then *leh*-djit.)
19:28:20 <olsner> I don't understand who says what how anymore
19:30:07 <Roujo> People talk, sounds come out, such is life in the valley
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19:34:51 <boily> olsner: it's easy. people say thing, and they usually understand each other. /se.bɛ̃.sẽp.lə.mɔ̃d.sə.diz.de.za.fäːʀ.pi.da.bi.ʦyd.i.sə.kɔ̃.pʀɛn/
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19:36:13 <boily> `relcome PixelToast
19:36:16 <HackEgo> PixelToast: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
19:37:46 <Roujo> boily: Oh god. I got it, but oh god.
19:38:08 <olsner> boily: phonetically written french is pretty hard to decipher
19:38:32 <olsner> diz = say, kɔ̃.pʀɛn = understand? plus a bunch of words inbetween?
19:38:40 <boily> Roujo: sorry, couldn't resist :D
19:38:56 <boily> (especially for «des afaaaèr»)
19:39:11 <Roujo> olsner: Pretty much, yeah
19:39:56 <olsner> impressive, me *pats self*
19:41:20 <boily> PixelToast: oh, you already were `relcommed. my bad.
19:41:51 <PixelToast> ive been relcommed 9 times, and WeLcOmEd 4 times, i forget what else
19:42:17 * Fiora looks up and sees that she was pinged about sushi
19:42:19 <Koen__> WeLcOmEd fell out of fashion some time ago, I reckon
19:43:26 <boily> Fiora: you have an usb sushi quote somewhere. how does IC sashimi taste like?
19:43:26 <Solain> did someone metion sushi
19:43:38 <Koen__> boily: I also understood what you said WITH THAT HORRIBLE ACCENT I'm not sure I should be proud of that
19:44:12 <HackEgo> RoUjO: wElCoMe tO ThE InTeRnAtIoNaL HuB FoR EsOtErIc pRoGrAmMiNg lAnGuAgE DeSiGn aNd dEpLoYmEnT! fOr mOrE InFoRmAtIoN, cHeCk oUt oUr wIkI: hTtP://EsOlAnGs.oRg/wIkI/MaIn_pAgE. (FoR ThE OtHeR KiNd oF EsOtErIcA, tRy #EsOtErIc oN IrC.DaL.NeT.)
19:44:19 <boily> Koen__: mwah ah ah. MWAH AH AH AH AH AH! ^^
19:45:02 <Fiora> boily: um. IC sashimi?
19:45:04 <boily> I know the [ʦ] isn't official anymore, but I was too lazy to tie t and s.
19:45:13 <HackEgo> 828) <monqy> what does it mean for a pencil to be turing complete.... <ais523> monqy: it's the same concept as USB sushi, really \ 829) <Fiora> usb sushi is dangerous. I think I would try to eat it \ 1049) <kmc> i think delivery sushi is one of those habits that can rapidly consume all of one's money <kmc> like cocaine \ 1059) <shachaf> the trou
19:45:13 <Solain> why is the robot typing like a homestuck character? not to mention a homestuck character who drives the bus
19:46:46 <Fiora> I.... don't think I've ever eaten USB sushi -_-
19:46:51 <HackEgo> 1059) <shachaf> the trouble with sushi is that it's often made of dead fish
19:47:00 <HackEgo> *poof* <shachaf> the trouble with sushi is that it's often made of dead fish
19:47:17 <kmc> Fiora: ... do you highlight on 'sushi'?
19:47:49 <Fiora> kmc: someone pinged me
19:47:57 <Fiora> 10:05 <@elliott> Solain: fiora, is that you? :o
19:48:58 <kmc> Google translates that as "Sushi? Sushi? Sushi? Sushi?"
19:49:12 <boily> kmc: I was checking if Fiora was hilited.
19:49:58 <shachaf> the sous chef? she's shushing sushi
19:50:49 <boily> that sentence shall be known as the Shachaf Shongue Shwishter.
19:51:52 <HackEgo> Fiora is half JRPG fangirl, half SIMD dork, and all sucrose.
19:52:11 <boily> `learn Fiora is half JRPG fangirl, half SIMD dork, and all sucrose. She's a sous-chef who shushes sushi.
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19:52:58 <Fiora> I'm not good at making sushi -_-
19:53:10 <shachaf> are you good at shushing it
19:53:50 <Fiora> what does that even mean ._.
19:54:01 <shachaf> does sushi tend to talk when you're around
19:54:35 <shachaf> "don't eat me, Fiora! i used to be alive and have fish feelings!"
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19:54:39 <shachaf> that's what sushi says to me
19:55:43 <Fiora> I'm eating dead rice and dead avocado and dead seaweed too ;_;
19:55:59 <shachaf> yes, but who ever heard of talking rice
19:56:04 <olsner> shachaf: why does sushi call you Fiora?
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19:56:22 <shachaf> olsner: not sure. sushi doesn't tend to have eyes
19:56:49 <Koen__> therefore you must smell like Fiora
19:57:33 <boily> zzo38: who do you smell like? does vinegared dead fish talk to you? how do you feel at the sight of an USB stack?
19:58:33 <zzo38> I smell like me, I suppose. I don't think anything dead is talking to me.
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20:02:23 <Koen__> boily: you will note that he failed to address the third question
20:03:18 <Solain> talking rice people? this is almost as drunken goats
20:03:30 <boily> Koen__: that was subtly recorded and filed as soon as he answered. zzo38 is a very suspicious person already.
20:03:46 * boily SMACKS Solain with a penguin plushie
20:04:15 * Solain SMACKS boily with a broken hard drive
20:04:41 <Solain> only broken electronics
20:04:59 <Koen__> oh, in english you've got only one word for "suspicious" and "suspicious", right?
20:05:32 <Solain> koen, are you by any chance from israel?
20:05:33 <boily> Koen__: «suspicieux», I meant to say.
20:05:41 <zzo38> Yes, I know the English can have some confusing words (so can other languages, though)
20:05:54 <olsner> boily: is that the one as in likely to suspect other people? or the other one?
20:06:55 <Koen__> boily: I'm pretty sure you meant "suspect"
20:07:36 <boily> Koen__: I can't confirm or deny that assertion.
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20:11:23 <HackEgo> http://codu.org/projects/hackbot/fshg/index.cgi/raw-file/tip/paste/paste.19463
20:14:14 <Solain> why am i there, i still cant comprehend what is so funny abot what i said
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20:14:55 <HackEgo> 1097) <Solain> im not a doctor when it comes to muscles
20:15:30 <oerjan> a clear side splitter, that
20:15:48 <Solain> i think i finally understood what is funny, i got confused between one profession and another
20:15:57 <zzo38> How do you mean I am "a very suspicious person already"? Do you have a clarification?
20:17:09 <Koen__> I'm afraid he wouldn't clarify or obfuscate that assertion
20:17:25 <HackEgo> 158) <Sgeo> HOT SEXY SEX BITS
20:17:33 <oerjan> olsner: above statement may contain traces of sarcasm
20:18:44 <oerjan> i note that google's top suggestion for "may contain t" is "may contain traces of human flesh"
20:19:03 <oerjan> (for me, anyhow. maybe norwegians are just particularly gruesome.)
20:19:04 <lambdabot> boily said 5h 25m 48s ago: what is a level?
20:19:13 <Koen__> I think that's based on your search history oerjan
20:19:19 <zzo38> boily: In what context do you mean a level?
20:19:43 <oerjan> Koen__: O ... KAY ... SORRY, I MAY HAVE TO KILL YOU ALL NOW
20:19:43 <boily> zzo38: we were wondering why you always refered to level20.tex.
20:20:04 <boily> oerjan: no problem with that. you'll have to visit Canada!
20:20:12 <olsner> oerjan: that might just make your search history more gruesome
20:20:22 <oerjan> olsner: there is that.
20:20:23 <zzo38> boily: It is the starting experience level of this game.
20:20:45 <zzo38> (Due to level adjustment, our actual levels are lower than twenty)
20:20:56 <Phantom_Hoover> <Solain> i think i finally understood what is funny, i got confused between one profession and another
20:21:32 <oerjan> Koen__: i thought it was only that personalized if you had a google account?
20:21:36 <boily> zzo38: oh. that clarifies many obscure corners of the thing.
20:21:55 <zzo38> boily: OK. What obscure corners do you mean, specifically?
20:22:05 <Solain> <Phantom_Hoover> doctors are meant to know about muscles... ;;;;; i wish i could explain myself in english, rather than hebrew
20:22:13 <oerjan> and otherwise was location based. wait, does that mean there's a serial killer nearby.
20:22:33 <Solain> i found some games coded on brainfuck, want links anyone?
20:22:46 <zzo38> Solain: Are they others than the one I already found?
20:23:10 * oerjan knows only of lost kingdom
20:23:37 <olsner> oerjan: pretty sure they track some stuff to a cookie even if you don't have an account, though not sure how detailed
20:24:41 <boily> zzo38: the ones we were discussing about, I guess. I don't know for sure, they were obscure.
20:24:56 <boily> (and some conjectures about the le-vel20 cipher.)
20:24:58 <oerjan> which, being perhaps the largest real bf program (although generated from basic) is a common interpreter/compiler damnmybrainismissingwordsagain
20:25:21 <zzo38> boily: It has nothing to do with some cipher; the file "level20.tex" is a Dungeons&Dragons game.
20:25:31 <olsner> oerjan: thingamabob? whatchamacallit?
20:25:34 <zzo38> (If you read it you should know why it is called that, actually)
20:26:03 <boily> zzo38: too logical.
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20:27:03 <oerjan> shachaf: please translate for Solain
20:27:23 <zzo38> boily: What is being too logical, and what is wrong with too logical?
20:27:44 <Solain> *i have no idea too lolz*
20:28:19 <zzo38> You could post the links (and/or titles of games) if you want to, I suppose
20:28:24 <oerjan> shachaf: anything he doesn't know how to explain in english
20:28:35 <boily> zzo38: logic goes counter to my laziness. reading the document would be too straightforward.
20:28:58 <Solain> we have advanced in technology, nowdays we have google translate for that, thank you for the offer anyway
20:29:04 <oerjan> olsner: no, i don't think those are the word.
20:29:12 <zzo38> boily: O, that's what you mean. Well, too bad, then. It cannot possibly be understood without reading it (I think).
20:29:13 <shachaf> Solain: Phantom_Hoover is saying some nonsense about monoids
20:29:26 <olsner> oerjan: I've heard it claimed that the bird is the word
20:29:27 <oerjan> Solain: but that only leaves you open to even more hilarious mistakes
20:29:39 <Solain> what should i make of this?
20:29:47 <boily> zzo38: I know I'm losing valuable information here, but tomorrow I'll have begun to think about procrastinating from reading it.
20:30:13 <zzo38> boily: What books do you read?
20:31:04 <Solain> the game names are: "taking over the world" ; "finally taking over the world" ; "the brainfucked lone wolf" ; link: http://fora.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=53146 bottom of the page
20:31:21 <zzo38> I know of "taking over the world" ; "finally taking over the world" games
20:31:24 <boily> zzo38: still trying to finish the Hyperion Cantos, but I got sidetracked with the Vorkosigan Saga lately.
20:31:30 <Koen__> oerjan: welllllllll hmmmmmm I'm pretty sure the suggestions google provides me with have evolved with what I've been searching for
20:32:01 <Koen__> I don't have a google account, and I flush all sessions / cookies / whatever every time I exit the browser
20:32:04 <Solain> btw oerjan, what kind of mistakes? the kind of dr,muscles?
20:32:54 <zzo38> boily: O, then read mine afterward.
20:33:02 <boily> zzo38: I'll copy it to my kobo.
20:33:28 <zzo38> Will kobo load this file? You can try, I suppose.
20:33:41 <zzo38> I don't know how kobo works so I wouldn't know
20:33:43 <Solain> oerjan IM LEARNING BILOGY AT SCHOOL, SO NAH
20:34:09 <kmc> Uncle Muscles Hour
20:34:11 <Solain> oerjan cross-cultural mistakes CAN and will happen
20:34:56 <olsner> oerjan: like in humoral medicine?
20:34:56 <boily> zzo38: I'm just going to pdflatex it, then copy it over through calibre.
20:36:22 <olsner> apparently the four humors are black bile, yellow bile, phlegm and blood
20:36:44 <zzo38> boily: I don't think that will work. I also don't know what calibre is. If you need PDF, try downloading "dungeonsrecording.tex" as well, run "tex level20", answer the question, and then DVI->PDF. (Maybe pdftex will work too, but that isn't guaranteed to work with anything other than the one true TeX.)
20:37:18 <boily> zzo38: oh hm. well. in that case, no kobo.
20:37:23 <zzo38> (You can also download the .DVI which is already compiled)
20:37:34 <oerjan> Solain: well that's ok, as long as you are prepared for the resulting puns.
20:37:35 <boily> (calibre is an e-reader library management software.)
20:37:46 <boily> zzo38: I think I'll go with the dvi.
20:38:01 <zzo38> If you have "pdflatex" then you probably have "tex" installed too; it comes standard with all TeX installations.
20:38:54 <boily> I have the original Pure TeX installed, but I tend to stay away from it. it scares me.
20:39:04 <zzo38> boily: Why does it scare you?
20:39:18 <Solain> you want me to type ping? test?
20:39:26 <Solain> i need to test lag somehow
20:39:29 <oerjan> Solain: hearing you loud and clear
20:40:01 <Solain> im not going to ping at the literal way
20:40:16 <oerjan> Solain: i pinged you. no autoresponse, though.
20:40:35 <boily> DR OM SOLAIN UR 559 KN
20:41:01 <oerjan> boily: did poor Solain get trapped in ~metar ?
20:42:10 <boily> oerjan: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prosigns_for_Morse_code
20:44:01 <olsner> boily: the page doesn't seem to provide enough information to decode your message
20:47:29 <boily> olsner: I told him that I receive him correctly, clear and loud.
20:47:41 <metasepia> CYUL 032000Z 23016KT 30SM FEW030TCU BKN065 22/14 A2970 RMK TCU2SC5 SLP057 DENSITY ALT 1100FT
20:47:51 <boily> oh, TCU again tonight! it's gonna be fun!
20:48:24 <olsner> boily: how did you end up learning about metar?
20:49:26 <boily> zzo38: towering cumulus. usually an indicator of incoming thunderstorms ☺
20:49:43 <boily> olsner: eeeeeh... probably one of many wikiwalks.
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21:03:43 <boily> General Question of Public Interest: who is cakeprophet?
21:04:23 <olsner> some sort of (past?) esoteric regular
21:04:40 <HackEgo> 112) <CakeProphet> how does a "DNA computer" work. <CakeProphet> von neumann machines? <Phantom_Hoover> CakeProphet, that's boring in the context of DNA. <Phantom_Hoover> It's just stealing the universe's work and passing it off as our own. \ 113) <fungot> CakeProphet: reading herbert might be enlightening in one hand he held a long worm can be
21:05:35 <oerjan> not entirely past, but not here very often, and by a different nick (not here right now.)
21:05:49 <oerjan> well, not _talking_ very often, anyway.
21:07:01 <boily> oerjan: you mean some of the idlers is him in disguise?
21:10:39 <oerjan> although not at the moment, and i cannot quite remember when he was here last.
21:11:00 <HackEgo> 2013-08-05 23:26:00: <kallisti> good times.
21:11:21 <HackEgo> 2013-09-03 21:11:17: <olsner> `seen olsner
21:11:25 <oerjan> elliott: i was trying not to mention his nick, not that it is particularly secret.
21:11:32 <HackEgo> 2013-08-31 19:31:49: <ais523> Happy Australian Mailman Mailing List Reminders Day!
21:11:46 <HackEgo> Thanks, elliott. Thelliott.
21:12:55 <boily> I found another way to make LaTeX choke: ◇.
21:13:19 <oerjan> REVERSE ASPHYXIATION SYMBOL
21:15:34 <boily> `quote \emph{Bike is from Luxembourg.}\footnote{Note that Bike's eyes in quote 1018
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21:19:12 <olsner> that doesn't prevent blaming boily
21:19:19 <boily> lets see if it happens again...
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21:19:24 <boily> `quote \emph{Bike is from Luxembourg.}\footnote{Note that Bike's eyes in quote 1018
21:19:39 <boily> `quote 117) <ais523> cpressey: I have actually done a waterfall-model project that almost worked <cpressey> That's where you have a flexible kayak that bobs and weaves between the rocks as it plummets off the cliff
21:19:40 <olsner> now remove it and input the real quote
21:19:40 <HackEgo> grep: unmatched parentheses
21:19:54 <boily> oooooh, unsanitized grep input!
21:20:15 <boily> (as you can see, I'm processing the quote db for inclusion in the wisdom.)
21:21:23 <oerjan> boily: the numbers are not part of the quote.
21:21:38 <oerjan> (thus the numbering can change btw)
21:22:40 <boily> time to vim macro the fungot out of those quotes... (except quotes with fungot. he's kinda important for those one.)
21:22:40 <fungot> boily:. i'm so kind, even to assholes! anmaster no not markov anmaster no not markov
21:23:03 <olsner> boily: was that an expletive fungot?
21:23:03 <fungot> olsner: so, let's say i call them mindless games. if we hit every stupid person, any person going fast and such an apparently non-standard format is being dimensioned by assigning dimensions to them; and sets. maybe thats what them meant by experimental selected so it probably no longer the wand the better part made mercie, i should think at least, that is expressions which have not been able to
21:24:27 <oerjan> hitting every stupid person: a mindless game.
21:25:16 <olsner> that, and fast people are being dimensioned by assigning dimensions to them
21:25:18 <boily> olsner: I think fizzie partially tolerates that practice.
21:25:25 <fungot> olsner: c has an ignore restarter, restart/ ignore do? the symbols, pairs, procedures, and so am i just being anal here or am i misunderstanding how these were the people skills of a plane
21:25:57 <Bike> fungot seems to be a bit fixated on this asshole thing
21:25:57 <fungot> Bike: is. absorb it on my door, which was just perceptibly fnord and this yields nothing itself; it keeps being removed, the queen. i see no sense
21:26:41 * boily pokes fungot with an auricular drumstick
21:26:41 <fungot> boily: it's what that guy in medina, a village near the mystic mountain" 65,000,000 b. c.? yes, i'd have done something very brave? fnord 06:22, 29, no. 2, 2, 3, 4, 8, 13, 1(::**) ...bad insn!
21:31:20 <boily> olsner: the same one that went into solain's ear.
21:31:42 <olsner> I missed that, I think
21:33:43 <boily> `quote but at what cost
21:33:45 <HackEgo> 862) <kmc> i bet a blog post complaining about ");});});" syntax in JavaScript and comparing it unfavorably to Lisp would get approximately one billion comments on hacker news <Bike> but at what cost? your very soul, kmc!
21:33:55 <boily> ... quote is causing me some problems.
21:34:16 <boily> problems that will be solved tomorrow. I want sushis.
21:34:19 <olsner> due to bold or due to );});});?
21:34:28 <boily> the latter. bold is easy.
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21:34:46 <olsner> ... but putting }s in text is hard?
21:38:55 <HackEgo> slist phonecall: Taneb atriq Ngevd Fiora nortti Sgeo ThatOtherPerson alot
21:41:53 <shachaf> oerjan: did you see the olist
21:43:35 <Taneb> Fiora, help I don't like where it is going
21:43:53 <Fiora> I very very much like where this is going :3
21:44:09 <oerjan> shachaf: yes that's as far as i've got logreading yet
21:48:40 <shachaf> Taneb, Fiora, oerjan: I like where this is going!
21:49:08 <Taneb> shachaf, but Aranea is being evil!
21:49:37 <shachaf> more like tarquin is being evil
21:49:48 <Bike> yeah, what th hell, tarquin
21:49:51 <shachaf> but that's just what he does
21:50:22 <shachaf> he just, like, killed his own son, man
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21:51:05 <kmc> shachaf: apparently you can't write a destructor for an enum, either
21:52:03 <shachaf> why should an enum be treated differently from a struct in that regard
21:53:08 <Taneb> shachaf, but Aranea is plotting to destroy an entire universe to prevent the creation of one person!
21:53:38 <Taneb> Well, less "destroy" and more "render infertile"
21:53:46 <kmc> shachaf: beats me
21:53:47 <Taneb> Aranea is plotting to neuter an entire universe!
21:54:52 <zzo38> Why do you expect that to even work? It won't prevent the creation of a person if it is the universe which is being destroyed.
21:54:53 <Taneb> shachaf, it's homestuck.
21:55:03 <Bike> imo, zzo should destroy the universe.
21:55:06 <shachaf> imo it's not a universe if there's more than one
21:55:07 <Taneb> there's at least three universes
21:55:57 <zzo38> Why should anyone destroy the universe?
21:56:12 <zzo38> Furthermore, *how* should anyone destroy the universe?
21:56:19 <Bike> i don't know zzo, you're the one doing it.
21:56:35 <shachaf> zzo38: you don't know the answers to those questions?
21:56:37 <shachaf> imo you better get on that
21:57:05 <zzo38> Also, it wouldn't help.
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21:59:18 <zzo38> I read about destroying the Earth before, but I don't think we should destroy any planets.
22:00:08 <Bike> what about the planet of the earth-destroyers
22:00:17 <zzo38> Anyways, it isn't desoying the universe.
22:00:56 <zzo38> Don't destroy that planet either. (Hopefully it won't collide with the Earth.)
22:01:11 <zzo38> Destroying the universe is different anyways; you cannot destroy the universe by destroying its parts.
22:08:02 <oerjan> shachaf: hm i wonder if they will have to escape this attack by entering the gate
22:10:45 <zzo38> The universe cannot be created or destroyed. Mathematics is the only thing that is real.
22:10:58 <Bike> well, destroy mathematics, then
22:11:09 <zzo38> Impossible. Mathematics cannot be destroyed either.
22:11:36 <Bike> that's not very real of it
22:12:05 <oerjan> zzo38: i think the universe may have a knack for mercilessly ignoring your opinion on how it works
22:12:23 <zzo38> oerjan: I think you are correct, but that doesn't change it.
22:12:38 <zzo38> Because it is also ignoring *your* opinion on how it works.
22:12:59 <Bike> the universe sounds like kind of a dick
22:14:10 <zzo38> No, you are mix up. Universe is the, made of spacetime, and of mathematics; not "kind of a dick" and so on.
22:15:37 <Bike> i'm just saying, if this dude is ignoring some cool guys like you maybe it has some emotional issues.
22:19:22 <olsner> "the universe" is not a "dude"
22:19:59 <Bike> not a literal dude.
22:20:03 <Bike> but, like, a dude dude.
22:20:17 <olsner> that character in the big lebowski?
22:20:17 <zzo38> What does that mean?
22:20:32 <Bike> that the universe is a dude but not a dude dude, dude.
22:25:47 <kmc> `addquote <zzo38> No, you are mix up. Universe is the, made of spacetime, and of mathematics; not "kind of a dick" and so on.
22:25:51 <HackEgo> 1099) <zzo38> No, you are mix up. Universe is the, made of spacetime, and of mathematics; not "kind of a dick" and so on.
22:25:58 <kmc> do you think this kind of zzo38-quote is fair game
22:26:08 <zzo38> kmc: I don't know.
22:28:09 <HackEgo> ls: cannot access wisdom/goat*: No such file or directory
22:28:32 <oerjan> `run mv wisdom/goat{s,}
22:28:42 <olsner> only one wisdom? that is absurd, goats are full of wisdoms
22:28:49 <HackEgo> Goats are drunk 24/7, ask Solain for details.
22:29:07 <oerjan> olsner: there's also a unicode goat wisdom, but you have to know how to get to it
22:31:33 <HackEgo> botlops \ chess \ devious \ doodads \ for further details \ friends \ gonads \ inverness \ lens \ logs \ lystrosaurus \ maths \ monoids \ oceans \ qdbrules \ ssstosis \ the us \ this \ torus \ united states \ welcome.es \ west midlands \ zomgmodules
22:31:52 <HackEgo> ssstosis is a disease causing false identities
22:32:47 <HackEgo> The pacific ocean is half the world and surrounded by fire. The atlantic ocean is less cool than its giant underwater moutain range. The arctic ocean is cold. The indian ocean is full of typhoons and non-eurocentric shipping.
22:33:13 <oerjan> `run mv wisdom/ocean{s,}
22:33:31 <HackEgo> botlops are the core of botsentiences. Sapience is scheduled for the next release.
22:33:38 <HackEgo> 🐐 <(Unicode goat laments your inability to render Unicode goat.)
22:33:41 <oerjan> `run mv wisdom/botlop{s,}
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22:34:15 <HackEgo> Friends make graphs together / La la la la
22:34:20 <oerjan> `run mv wisdom/friend{s,}
22:34:51 <HackEgo> maths stands for Mathematical Anti-Telharsic Harfatum Septomin
22:35:03 <oerjan> hm this one might be bad to move.
22:35:27 <HackEgo> Monoids are just categories with a single object.
22:35:29 <HackEgo> Monoids are the easy version of categories.
22:35:58 <oerjan> `run ? gonad; ? gonads
22:36:00 <HackEgo> gonad? ¯\(°_o)/¯ \ gonads are the best punctional fondlegramming squishcture.
22:36:10 <olsner> `? wisisis "This isn't an actual wisdom, just a tribute."
22:36:11 <HackEgo> wisisis "This isn't an actual wisdom, just a tribute."? ¯\(°_o)/¯
22:36:15 <oerjan> `run mv wisdom/gonad{s,}
22:37:07 <HackEgo> chess \ devious \ doodads \ for further details \ inverness \ lens \ logs \ lystrosaurus \ maths \ monoids \ qdbrules \ ssstosis \ the us \ this \ torus \ united states \ welcome.es \ west midlands \ zomgmodules
22:37:27 <oerjan> `run ? doodad; ? doodads
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22:37:29 <HackEgo> Doodads are just duoids in the category of endofunctors. \ Doodads are just duoids in the category of endofunctors.
22:38:19 <oerjan> i think the rest are not sensible to move.
22:38:57 <HackEgo> maths stands for Mathematical Anti-Telharsic Harfatum Septomin
22:40:32 <HackEgo> everyone: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.)
22:40:45 <olsner> wisdom is full of wonders
22:41:11 <HackEgo> \\\¯\\\\\\\(\\\°\\\_\\\o\\\)\\\/\\\¯\\\?\\\ \\\¯\\\\\\\(\\\°\\\_\\\o\\\)\\\/\\\¯
22:41:12 <HackEgo> #!/bin/sh \ topic=$(echo "$1" | lowercase | sed "s/ *$//") \ topic1=$(echo "$topic" | sed "s/s$//") \ cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ else echo "$1? ¯\
22:41:58 <HackEgo> cd wisdom \ if [ \( "$topic1" = "ngevd" \) -a \( -e ngevd \) ]; \ then cat /dev/urandom; \ elif [ -e "$topic" ]; \ then cat "$topic" | rnooodl; \ elif [ -e "$topic1" ]; \ then cat "$topic1" | rnooodl; \ else echo "$1? ¯\(°_o)/¯"; exit 1; \ fi
22:42:11 <oerjan> nothing to explain that everyone
22:42:17 <olsner> does caliphornia have a caliph?
22:43:57 <oerjan> oh putty doesn't show end of line space
22:44:48 <olsner> xchat doesn't seem to either, but I can still enter it even though it disappears as soon as I send
22:46:58 <shachaf> oerjan: maybe they'll die instead
22:47:05 <olsner> hmm, no, it does normal trailing spaces ... only interesting spaces get lost?
22:47:06 <shachaf> oerjan: but entering the gate seems p. likely
22:48:04 <olsner> `? ̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚�͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔҉̕͜͠͠҉̡̧̛͞
22:48:06 <HackEgo> ̸̸̼͚͇̮͕̳̞̤̜̯̪̪̱̣̠̺̹͍̩̝͚͕͓͚̙͓̪̮̟̜̣͙̪̂ͭ̎̏̔ͦ͒ͪ͌̾ͦͨ̚̚͢͢͠ͅ҉̴̢_͙̣̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚�͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔҉̕͜͠͠҉̡̧̛͞? ¯\(°_o)/¯
22:48:44 <olsner> `? _͙̣̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚%CD͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔҉̕͜͠͠҉̡̧̛͞
22:48:45 <HackEgo> _͙̣̿̊ͣ̉ͣͪ͒̓̐͊̏ͫ̓̚̚%CD͎͎͙̪̪̝̖͉̟̭̻̥̫̗̱̗͍̳̦̮̟̲̥͔҉̕͜͠͠҉̡̧̛͞? ¯\(°_o)/¯
22:50:36 <olsner> it can if you want it to
22:51:22 <oerjan> shachaf: i suppose none of them has a standing prophecy that they _will_ survive. (and of course belkar has one that he won't. as did durkon _but_...)
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22:53:34 <oerjan> i note myndzi didn't even _try_ to work with those.
22:53:46 <oerjan> `? are you alive myndzi
22:53:48 <HackEgo> are you alive myndzi ? ¯\(°_o)/¯
22:53:52 <shachaf> oerjan: well, i'm told elan will have a happy ending
22:53:58 <Koen__> urrrrrrrrrh there's ink dripping all over my screen
22:53:59 <shachaf> oerjan: or did he already get that?
22:54:19 <oerjan> shachaf: that's a question, but elan is not among those attacked.
22:54:59 <HackEgo> Information on the THEM has been removed for national security reasons.
22:55:11 <Bike> way to spoil it, oerjan
22:56:08 <olsner> did someone expunge england or just the information about england?
22:56:49 <Bike> mention distinction HELLO ENTER KEY WHAT HAVE I DONE WRONG
22:57:29 <HackEgo> You are probably using one right now!
22:57:46 <oerjan> Bike: probably placed it too close to - ?
22:59:02 <oerjan> `learn Sleep is for the weak.
23:01:03 <shachaf> oerjan: i thought sleep was for the week
23:05:26 <kmc> awesome, in rust you can do '\n'*'\n' and the result is 'd'
23:05:53 <Bike> it says "awesome" right there man
23:06:11 <Bike> oh, is it just multiplying the codepoints
23:06:18 <Bike> can you do that in c?
23:06:40 <nooodl> http://codepad.org/KecUhf9d
23:06:55 <HackEgo> cpressey invented the esolang, the pipe cleaner and the electrical mousse.
23:08:00 <HackEgo> shachaf sprø som selleri and cosplays Nepeta Leijon on weekends.
23:09:44 <Fiora> `learn Nepeta Leijon is the maintainer of the official Alternian shipping wall.
23:10:44 <HackEgo> Nepeta Leijon is the maintainer of the official Alternian shipping wall.
23:12:52 <shachaf> Fiora: does nepeta endoship
23:13:10 <shachaf> maybe that's not the right word
23:13:17 <oerjan> `run mv wisdom/nepeta{,' leijon'}
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23:14:02 <shachaf> the question was whether she ships herself
23:15:34 <Fiora> http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20130316230515/mspaintadventures/images/2/2c/EquiusSeekTheHighblood-NepetaShippingWall.gif see the top left
23:16:53 <shachaf> maybe endoshipping would be shipping someone with themselves
23:17:23 <Bike> well, she does that too, in that very same gif, with karkat (around the club symbol)
23:17:30 <Phantom_Hoover> for someone who hates homestuck you are leading yourself down a line of enquiry which will tell you far more about it than you ever wanted to know
23:17:43 <Fiora> top left is nepeta x karkat (her crush)
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23:17:56 <oerjan> <Roujo> `run echo An ambitiöus new Esolanger who, although underage, is eager to learn. > wisdom/Solain
23:18:19 <Bike> nepeta leijon is an accomplished master of category theory, it just never comes up in the comic due to time constraints
23:18:24 <Jafet> Is that an innuendomorphism
23:19:00 <Bike> gory cat theory, yes
23:19:35 <Bike> i guess that does come up in the comic
23:21:35 <oerjan> `run cd wisdom; /bin/ls -1 | grep '[A-Z]'
23:21:37 <HackEgo> aah \ ais523 \ america \ atriq \ atrix \ augur \ banach-tarski \ bc \ bicategory \ bienvenue \ bigchar \ bike \ bird \ boily \ bonvenon \ bookwatching \ botlop \ braid theory \ brain \ brainf**k \ brainfuck \ brick \ burma \ c \ cakeprophet \ california \ caps lock \ cat \ category \ category-helpdesk \ category theory \ cello \ certainly \ certai
23:22:12 <oerjan> since when is grep case insensitive by default :(
23:23:17 <oerjan> `run echo TEST | grep '[a-z]'
23:23:24 <oerjan> `run echo TEST | grep -i '[a-z]'
23:24:58 <oerjan> and secondly, how do you turn it off.
23:25:33 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: cd: not found
23:25:58 <Roujo> `run cat wisdom/boily wisdom/cat
23:25:59 <HackEgo> boily is the brother of Roujo's brother and he's monetizing the company Roujo works at, or something Canadian like that. \ Cats are cool, but should be illegal.
23:25:59 <zzo38> Is there some environment variable or shell alias which affects it?
23:26:06 <HackEgo> bash: line 0: alias: grep: not found
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23:26:15 <HackEgo> cat: cat: No such file or directory
23:26:22 <HackEgo> bash: cat:: command not found
23:26:24 <oerjan> `run printenv | grep -i grep
23:26:27 <Jafet> `run for grep in grep fgrep egrep; do echo $grep; echo TEST | $grep '[a-z]'; done
23:26:29 <HackEgo> grep \ TEST \ fgrep \ egrep \ TEST
23:26:29 <HackEgo> cat: cat:: No such file or directory \ cat: cat: No such file or directory
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23:28:25 <HackEgo> TERM=linux \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ PWD=/hackenv \ LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ SHLVL=0 \ HOME=/tmp
23:28:41 <HackEgo> TERM=linux \ http_proxy=http://127.0.0.1:3128 \ HACKENV=/hackenv \ PATH=/hackenv/bin:/opt/python27/bin:/opt/ghc/bin:/usr/bin:/bin \ PWD=/hackenv \ LANG=en_NZ.UTF-8 \ HOME=/tmp \ SHLVL=1 \ _=/usr/bin/printenv
23:29:40 <oerjan> `run echo TEST | LANG= grep '[a-z]'
23:29:50 <oerjan> `run echo TEST | LANG=C grep '[a-z]'
23:30:05 <oerjan> localization is evil :(
23:30:23 <zzo38> I always use "LANG=C" myself when working on UNIX systems
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23:33:34 <Jafet> `run echo TEST | grep '[[:lower:]]'
23:33:38 <doesthiswork> I checked out a book from the university library about "Fril" which is like prolog with fuzzy sets
23:34:43 <oerjan> zzo38: people asked Gregor to set a different one.
23:35:34 <zzo38> oerjan: Why? I think always "LANG=C" should be used.
23:36:43 <oerjan> zzo38: it broke unicode stuff, or something.
23:37:20 <oerjan> `run echo TEST | LANG=en_US.UTF-8 grep '[a-z]'
23:37:28 <zzo38> If you require Unicode, can "C.UTF-8" work?
23:37:29 <oerjan> ok that's just as broken.
23:37:54 <zzo38> (I still thing "LANG=C" is better, without the Unicode specification)
23:38:06 <Jafet> `run echo ZZZ | grep '[a-z]'
23:43:06 <Jafet> `run python -c 'print [chr(i) for i in range(255)]' | tr -cd '[a-z]'
23:43:08 <HackEgo> [xxxxxxxxxtnxbxcrxexfxxxxxxxxxxxaxbxcxdxexf[]abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyzxfxxxxxxxxxxxaxbxcxdxexfxxxxxxxxxxxaxbxcxdxexfxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaxaaxabxacxadxaexafxbxbxbxbxbxbxbxbxbxbxbaxbbxbcxbdxbexbfxcxcxcxcxcxcxcxcxcxcxcaxcbxccxcdxcexcfxdxdxdxdxdxdxdxdxdxdxdaxdbxdcxddxdexdfxexexexexexexexexexexeaxebxecxedxeexefxfxfxfxfxfxfxfxfxfxfxfaxfbxfcxfdxfe]
23:44:35 <oerjan> i have doubts that's what you wanted
23:45:02 <oerjan> but i am guessing it has to do with it affecting collating order, not actual case insensitivity
23:45:27 <Jafet> `run python -c 'print "".join(chr(i) for i in range(255))' | tr -cd 'a-z'
23:45:28 <HackEgo> abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
23:46:09 <Jafet> `run python -c 'print "".join(chr(i) for i in range(255))' | grep -o '[a-z]'
23:46:11 <HackEgo> Binary file (standard input) matches
23:46:17 <Jafet> `run python -c 'print "".join(chr(i) for i in range(255))' | grep -o '[a-z]' -a
23:46:19 <HackEgo> a \ b \ c \ d \ e \ f \ g \ h \ i \ j \ k \ l \ m \ n \ o \ p \ q \ r \ s \ t \ u \ v \ w \ x \ y \ z
23:48:39 <oerjan> `run python -c 'for i in range(255): print chr(i)' | grep '[a-z]'
23:48:41 <HackEgo> Binary file (standard input) matches
23:49:16 <Jafet> `run python -c 'for i in range(32, 127): print chr(i)' | grep '[a-z]'
23:49:18 <HackEgo> A \ B \ C \ D \ E \ F \ G \ H \ I \ J \ K \ L \ M \ N \ O \ P \ Q \ R \ S \ T \ U \ V \ W \ X \ Y \ a \ b \ c \ d \ e \ f \ g \ h \ i \ j \ k \ l \ m \ n \ o \ p \ q \ r \ s \ t \ u \ v \ w \ x \ y \ z
23:49:26 <Jafet> `run python -c 'for i in range(32, 127): print chr(i)' | grep '[a-z]' -a
23:49:28 <HackEgo> A \ B \ C \ D \ E \ F \ G \ H \ I \ J \ K \ L \ M \ N \ O \ P \ Q \ R \ S \ T \ U \ V \ W \ X \ Y \ a \ b \ c \ d \ e \ f \ g \ h \ i \ j \ k \ l \ m \ n \ o \ p \ q \ r \ s \ t \ u \ v \ w \ x \ y \ z
23:49:51 <Jafet> `run python -c 'for i in range(255): print chr(i)' | grep '[a-z]' -a
23:49:53 <HackEgo> A \ B \ C \ D \ E \ F \ G \ H \ I \ J \ K \ L \ M \ N \ O \ P \ Q \ R \ S \ T \ U \ V \ W \ X \ Y \ a \ b \ c \ d \ e \ f \ g \ h \ i \ j \ k \ l \ m \ n \ o \ p \ q \ r \ s \ t \ u \ v \ w \ x \ y \ z
23:50:10 <Jafet> `run python -c 'for i in range(255): print chr(i)' | grep -o '[a-z]' -a
23:50:12 <HackEgo> a \ b \ c \ d \ e \ f \ g \ h \ i \ j \ k \ l \ m \ n \ o \ p \ q \ r \ s \ t \ u \ v \ w \ x \ y \ z
23:50:32 <oerjan> `run python -c 'for i in range(32, 127): print chr(i)' | sort
23:50:41 <oerjan> `run python -c 'for i in range(32, 127): print chr(i)' | sort
23:50:43 <HackEgo> ` \ ^ \ ~ \ < \ = \ > \ | \ \ _ \ - \ , \ ; \ : \ ! \ ? \ / \ . \ ' \ " \ ( \ ) \ [ \ ] \ { \ } \ @ \ $ \ * \ \ \ & \ # \ % \ + \ 0 \ 1 \ 2 \ 3 \ 4 \ 5 \ 6 \ 7 \ 8 \ 9 \ a \ A \ b \ B \ c \ C \ d \ D \ e \ E \ f \ F \ g \ G \ h \ H \ i \ I \ j \ J \ k \ K \ l \ L \ m \ M \ n \ N \ o \ O \ p \ P \ q \ Q \ r \ R \ s \ S \ t \ T \ u \ U \ v \ V \
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23:55:18 <Jafet> `run python -c 'for i in range(32,127): print chr(i)' | grep -o '[a-z]'
23:55:19 <HackEgo> a \ b \ c \ d \ e \ f \ g \ h \ i \ j \ k \ l \ m \ n \ o \ p \ q \ r \ s \ t \ u \ v \ w \ x \ y \ z
23:59:18 <^v> `i hate python
23:59:20 <HackEgo> /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: i: not found
23:59:22 <zzo38> I have seen the term "library" used in reference to pokemon card game just once, and in that case it is capitalized too for some reason.