00:05:36 't is common to respond to an e-mail rendered unreadable by character mangling (referred to as "betűszemét", meaning "garbage lettering") with the phrase "Árvíztűrő tükörfúrógép", a nonsense phrase (literally "Flood-resistant mirror-drilling machine") containing all accented characters used in Hungarian.' 00:08:00 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 00:08:48 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:08:52 kmc: that phrase isn't nonsensical, it describes an entirely well-defined object 00:08:59 if not a particularly useful one 00:09:43 hmm… "Árvíztűrő" is way easier to pronounce than "tükörfúrógép" 00:09:44 I just tried 00:11:34 Hungarian words can be hard to pronounce because all words inflect the same way 00:11:46 regardless of how hard the added letters for the inflection might be to pronounce in context 00:17:01 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:19:21 * Sgeo facepalms at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYMeOLpk5_8 00:20:52 -!- Bike has joined. 00:28:54 -!- Taneb has joined. 00:29:22 Had a fun evening 00:29:34 Watched the Avengers followed by Monty Python and the Holy Grail 00:31:23 Have you ever played flipperless pinball games? 00:34:08 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:37:22 zzo38: no 00:38:10 shall we have a betting pool of how soon before Taneb's sleep schedule unravels 00:38:20 *on 00:38:46 oerjan, I just found out that while I was watching these movies, a fire occured in my flat complex thing! 00:38:56 fancy 00:39:05 Apparently they had to evacuate and some people have to be rehoused 00:39:06 Have you played other pinball games? 00:39:50 have you played ball-less pinball games 00:40:01 or pin-less, for that matter. 00:40:18 Taneb: .... wowo 00:40:22 Taneb: glad you are not on fire 00:40:27 So am I 00:40:44 It was a different block, I think 00:40:58 I'm not even sure 00:41:09 (here I assume that if you were on fire, you'd deal with that problem before getting on IRC) 00:43:05 (if I was on fire I'd log in to IRC and say something like "help im on fire what do") 00:43:32 oerjan: I don't think you can; you can't make a pinball game if there is no ball, or no pin for the ball to bounce against (well, some have no pins but there are still walls to bounce against) 00:43:42 huh apparently flipperless pinball was a thing before the flippers were invented 00:44:02 Yes in a movie theatre once I have played a pinball game with no pins; it was the one to win gum balls 00:44:30 oerjan: Yes and sometimes it is still being played, especially on the computer, I think, flipperless pinball games are being made 00:45:31 A few people have tried to make flipperless pinball games just by removing the flippers from a flippered game, although that has bad results; best is to design the table layout to work with flipperless. 00:45:45 I think the flippers are an improvement 00:46:31 ais523: W ell, kind of, yes you can make a lot of flippered pinball games, which is an improvement, although pinball games can be made that work just fine without any flippers. 00:46:32 Weren't flippers added to get around gambling laws? 00:46:59 Taneb: I read somewhere that playing more than one ball for a single coin was added to get around gambling laws, but not flippers. 00:47:55 Flippers makes more sense as a workaround for gambling laws 00:48:02 Which doesn't mean it's true ofc 00:48:03 what's the law? 00:48:19 Even just today I play a flipperless pinball game that actually does have one flipper, although the player has no direct control over it; it flips whenever one of two bumpers are hit (these bumpers are close enough that there is a reasonable chance that the flipper will hit the ball if it does that) 00:49:10 -!- zzo38 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:49:28 The powers that be are on to zzo 00:49:51 apparently peer is online right now, under a different nick 00:50:02 -!- zzo38 has joined. 00:50:07 presumably they're fed up of people asking them to stop resetting their connection 00:50:23 Oops there was some connection error; if you replied then please reply again. 00:51:02 we were discussing the connection error 00:52:36 Anyone know how to install .fon fonts in Ubuntu? 00:53:27 Many modern flipperless games I have played on computer omit the tilt sensor, although some flippered games do too (such as Pokemon Pinball). (I don't think tilt sensor is suitable for the computer game anyways; you have to push a key to nudge and the computer simulation doesn't have to move the table far enough to result a tilt anyways, therefore it shouldn't be needed.) 00:53:38 peer du lyver 00:54:17 the peer is coming from inside the house 00:55:01 Most computer pinball games just tilt if you nudge too often. Alternatives I have seen are in Spade Cadet, it tilts if you hold down the nudge key for too long instead, and in Knickknack it won't let you nudge more often than once a second. 00:55:25 (The nudge key will simply do nothing if you push it too often.) 00:56:10 I have heard from someone once of a pinball table that tilts if you hold down the flipper button for too long, too. 00:56:54 zzo38: I've played one that tilts if you press the flipper buttons too hard 00:57:00 presumably people kept doing that and breaking it 00:57:22 ais523: Yes, I suppose that would work. 00:59:38 My opinion is a computer pinball game needs no tilt penalty; a physical pinball game does need a tilt penalty to prevent lifting or breaking it. 01:00:55 i'd be impressed if a computer pinball game had a real tilt sensor 01:01:20 Bike: Maybe such thing can be made using Wii remotes 01:01:51 or the accelerometer in a smartphone 01:01:55 wii pinball, with virtual flippers. 01:02:07 actually, smartphones would be pretty suited to tilt-sensitive pinball 01:02:35 even i have a phone game that uses the orientation sensor. 01:02:51 Bike: Well you could use two of the buttons as flippers and one as plunger (and one for pause); or make a flipperless game so only the plunger button is needed. 01:03:06 -!- azaq231 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:03:08 no, no, you have two remotes, each of which is a flipper. 01:03:37 Bike: Then how should you nudge? It would make nudging confusing wouldn't it? 01:03:49 you gotta mooooove your body 01:04:05 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 01:05:34 In Pokemon Pinball bonus stages, once the timer expires the flippers will stop working; however you can still nudge. In the Meowth stage, Meowth stops moving and stops throwing money on the board, although any remaining money can still be hit with the ball, so nudging the table to make the ball hit them would help, however the flippers don't work so if the money is too high you probably cannot hit it anymore. 01:06:34 -!- azaq23 has joined. 01:10:18 My computer makes some unusual noise do you know how to fix it? 01:10:36 depends on the noise 01:11:40 It seem to make the noise while simulating the physics of the pinball game; when it is paused, it doesn't make such noise though. It does make noise in other times too though sometimes 01:11:56 I also heard something knocking in the computer. 01:13:02 odd 01:13:56 Also when listing directory and other stuff; perhaps it is when doing a lot of computations at once, it is making a noise. 01:15:02 Also like I said before, sometimes the picture seems to have an imperfect clock rate. 01:15:26 Does this have something to do with it too? 01:16:36 does anything in a computer even make noise besides the fan? the disks i guess if you're a pleb 01:17:50 sometimes the capacitors start to hum / whine 01:17:54 Yes the disks make noise but I think it is a different noise 01:17:55 also sometimes they explode 01:18:05 kmc: Why do the capacitors start to hum / whine? 01:18:07 coils too. power supplies definitely make noise 01:18:09 zzo38: i don't know 01:18:12 sometimes the cpu makes noise 01:18:18 "exciting side channels" 01:18:25 Why does the CPU make noise? 01:18:29 if you're pushing reasonable amps at 60 Hz then odds are high that something will mechanically vibrate at 60 Hz 01:19:06 It didn't make these noises yesterday (although the picture had imperfect clock rate yesterday) 01:20:31 -!- CADD has joined. 01:20:55 -!- CADD has changed nick to Guest56477. 01:21:03 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetostriction oh, that's cool. 01:23:11 Perhaps it is the CPU making noise but I don't know how it would do that. Or at least it has something to do with the CPU; I don't know if it is the CPU doing this or not. 01:23:38 (The CPU is Intel Celeron 2.00GHz) 01:27:19 kmc: what's a good naming scheme for lenses onto one or more values, zero or one values, zero or more values <-- isn't the second just Prism 01:27:31 no, Prism is more than that 01:27:40 it lets you construct!!!!! that's half the point 01:28:06 these things are just Lens+ Lens? Lens* 01:28:19 OKAY 01:29:14 name them after types of giraffe, then. 01:29:27 OKAPI 01:32:34 * oerjan feels unappreciated. 01:32:50 ok that was pretty good. 01:33:11 :) 01:33:26 oh wow, I've accidentally designed a call-by-name function interface in C 01:33:29 this is unexpectedly awesome 01:33:38 and yeah, that was an awesome pun 01:33:42 ~duck okapi 01:33:44 The noise does seem to be when the CPU is doing a lot of things. 01:34:00 oh, metasepia isn't here 01:34:02 ais523: What call-by-name function interface in C did you design? 01:34:10 it goes where boily goes 01:34:15 zzo38: the library calls into a plugin to ask it to update someting 01:34:22 then the plugin has to call back into the library to ask what to update 01:34:39 this is how you implement a call-by-name interface in a call-by-value language 01:34:43 only I did it by mistake 01:36:17 archive.org has backed up the united states government's web presence. it's the beginning of the end, folks. 01:37:25 it's only the real beginning of the end in like two or three weaks 01:37:27 *weeks 01:37:31 when the US defaults on its loans 01:37:47 no this is much more real than that. 01:37:50 I'm not sure whether or not that would completely destroy the world economy, and it's /really worrying/ that I'm not sure 01:38:19 why would defaulting on loans destroy the world economy 01:39:06 Bike: giving a loan to someone creates money out of thin air; the person who loaned it out still has it because the debt is worth value, and the person it was loaned to /also/ has it because they can spend it 01:39:14 if the loan is repaid, everything works out fine 01:39:42 if it isn't, though, some of the created money simply vanishes, and it can take a long time for the financial systems to work out where it vanished from 01:39:52 because of all the recursive loaning that's going on 01:40:03 thus, defaulting causes some amount of uncertainty as to the existence of money 01:40:20 a really really large default causes a really really large amount of money to become very uncertain 01:40:35 and it's hard to have a functioning economy in a situation where you can't work out how much anyone actually owns 01:40:42 I looked and found someone says the power supply is making noise because the CPU is using too much power. 01:40:49 what would it mean for the US to default on its loans given that the US also defines/controls the value of the dollar? 01:41:17 does anyone actually believe the US will pay off its debts as it stands? 01:41:41 well, the US does pay of its debts, it just issues new ones, right? 01:41:43 Fiora: well they could pay them off by just artificially creating that many dollars, but that would cause the value of all the existing dollars to reduce 01:41:48 if triply imaginary money destroyed the economy i'd be living in a cave rn 01:42:02 in proportion to the ratio between the amount that already existed, and the amount printed 01:42:32 it's quite possible that if they just didn't pay, the value of the dollar would drop by a similar amount for a similar reason (because not paying, and paying with freshly minted money, is pretty much equivalent) 01:43:29 the US's national debt is of a similar value to its entire GDP, meaning that I guess the value of the dollar would approximately halve 01:44:10 and that'd have some pretty crazy knock-on effects in the world economy too 01:44:14 guess who is making estimates out of thin air 01:44:14 GDP isn't assets though, is it...? 01:44:34 or money supply, I guess... 01:45:02 oerjan: me! 01:45:09 ding ding ding! 01:45:13 I'm not massively good at enonomics 01:45:18 I live with an economist, but it's only microeconomics 01:45:30 that's why I have to make rough guesses 01:45:34 rather than actually knowing 01:45:37 "Debt held by the public as a percentage of GDP rose from 34.7% GDP in 2000 to 40.5% in 2008 and 67.7% in 2011." 01:46:00 It's 108% if you include states and smaller municipalities' debts. which doesn't make sense here of course. 01:46:01 well, it's more maths than economics 01:46:20 Bike: it's also above 100% if you include intergovernmental loans, according to Wikipedia 01:46:27 which possibly are relevant here 01:47:05 I moved the computer slightly and the noise is now reduced, although I am not sure if I can still hear it or not. 01:47:12 err, intragovernmental 01:47:12 "History - See also: United States debt-ceiling crisis of 2011 and United States debt-ceiling crisis of 2013" good article 01:48:53 also apparently many of the US loans have interest rates below inflation 01:48:57 so they become smaller over time 01:49:55 ah right, this is where the Rogoff and Reinhart study was 01:49:57 good stuff 01:51:05 ais523: yeah, that's the whole reason behind quantitative easing 01:51:09 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 01:51:12 like if I remember right 01:51:21 the government regulates inflation by adjusting the rates on government loans 01:51:32 but recently like a few years back those rates reached... 0% 01:51:36 and inflation was still too low 01:51:52 so they had the fed start buying its own loans to try to get inflation to go up 01:52:00 looking forward to the extension of interest rates into the imaginary axis. 01:52:08 which is kind of the only thing they can do since you can't really go below zero? 01:54:30 The noise is still there, although it is reduced a bit from before. 01:55:05 actually, continuously compounded interest is an exponential function, isn't it. with an imaginary rate would you spiral outwards 01:56:42 exponential with imaginary rate ~= sine or cosine 01:57:39 ye 01:57:42 e^(a+ib) = e^a * (cos b + i sin b) 01:57:51 oerjan: well it's more rotatey than a sine or cosine 01:57:56 it has both real and imaginary components 01:58:29 in any case, the imaginary component causes cyclic behavior, not growth. 02:00:04 yes 02:00:25 actually the complex exponential function is one of the few four-dimensional objects that it'd be really useful to be able to visualise 02:01:01 maybe i'm just actually this dumb, but shouldn't it grow as the real part grows. 02:01:09 Can too little inflation be bad? 02:01:14 yeah 02:01:58 Bike: yes, but that's caused by the real component, not the imaginary one 02:02:08 Sgeo: negative inflation is normally considered to be a total disaster 02:02:14 although too much positive inflation is also bad 02:02:36 negative inflation = depression? 02:02:43 deflation 02:03:35 when inflation is negative, money gets worth more over time, so no one has an incentive to use more than absolutely necessary 02:03:57 which hurts investment and productivity 02:04:43 this is one of the main criticisms against bitcoin 02:04:52 Why not literally print money during deflation? Doesn't printing money increase inflation? 02:04:57 that it seems designed for it to be a bad idea for anyone to ever spend it 02:05:05 Sgeo: yeah, that's one possible way to fix deflation 02:05:06 ais523: like the pizza? 02:05:22 probably quite a common one in practice, too 02:05:36 but the thing about economics is, changing anything has all sorts of knock-on effects 02:05:46 this is why I'm so against the Euro (whilst mostly being a fan of the EU) 02:06:04 pegging countries' currencies to each other means that there are fewer dials you can adjust to try to fix a broken economy 02:06:05 because you're worried about nonspecific effects from any change? 02:06:08 oh. 02:06:17 ok good i was going to stare at you. 02:12:39 -!- augur has joined. 02:12:59 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 02:14:47 Are traditional turtle graphics able to find where they are? 02:14:59 Sgeo: not as far as I know 02:15:15 Ok, so I can't rant about Racket's turtle graphics sucking 02:27:31 -!- Tefaj has changed nick to Jafet. 02:29:08 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 02:31:54 isn't that part of the point? so you have to plan everything in advance? 02:42:25 There's a point? 02:43:14 yeah it's under the turtle 02:43:15 of course, it's for education. 02:43:18 Hmm, Racket's doesn't have varying pen sizes 02:54:05 woah this code is old 02:54:06 (module value-turtles mzscheme 03:00:48 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 03:03:18 hey, C correctness question: is it legal to compare NULL to a pointer to deallocated data? 03:03:41 for equality 03:12:34 -!- zzo38 has joined. 03:13:01 ais523: no http://c-faq.com/malloc/ptrafterfree.html 03:13:06 I tried reducing the DRAM speed to see if that helps somehow; at least the video isn't wrong again (except in the BIOS configuration menu; it is still wrong during that) 03:13:26 The noise seems to be gone too 03:13:38 oerjan: bleh 03:13:54 I guess I'll fix this later 03:14:02 it's unlikely to be a problem in any sane implementation 03:14:23 The listed temperature in the BIOS menu was below 60 C (which is what the setting for the shutdown temperature is) 03:20:30 actualy, I'll fix it via converting all copies of that pointer to a pointer to static memory just before the free 03:20:36 apart from the copy I'm actually freeing 03:21:08 oh, here's a stupid bit of API design for oyu 03:21:09 *you 03:21:15 libpng requires the use of setjmp to avoid errors 03:21:29 nice 03:21:37 it also requires you to free its structures via a function which takes a pointer to a pointer to its structures as an argument 03:22:01 e.g. if I want to free a png_ptr, I call something along the lines of png_free(&png_ptr), although the actual function has more arguments 03:22:35 now, if my png_ptr is stack allocated, it has to be volatile because of the setjmp (I want to be able to free it after an error) 03:22:53 however, the free function doesn't take a png_struct * volatile * 03:23:00 so I have to copy it to another variable just to be able to free it 03:25:17 Oops now the bad video and noises are starting again 03:25:24 zzo38, anyone else fond of 6502: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/textfiles/the-jason-scott-documentary-three-pack/posts/615823 03:27:10 "and there are system architectures for which such exceptions would be quite natural.)" 03:27:16 That I'm curious about 03:28:58 O, Kickstarter is available in Canada now. 03:33:38 Sgeo: Is that the "Future Systems" that does that? 03:34:07 No idea what architectures that make sense for 03:47:05 libpng is full of other stupid stuff too, I think; I use LodePNG 03:47:38 LodePNG is much better 03:53:50 I found out that the heating vent in this room wasn't completely covered; I covered it now, in case that helps with the computer 03:56:44 I know that in Verilog the name of a module call can be useful for debugging (and potentially for other purposes too), so in HWPL it is optional (most commands can have a LABEL clause to do this). 04:02:24 -!- oklopol has joined. 04:07:35 Things I haven't added yet but probably should includes primitive CMOS/NMOS/PMOS transistors (which Verilog includes), and some analog stuff. Is the macros good enough current, you think so? 04:37:44 -!- shikhin has joined. 04:54:52 `welcome shikhin 04:54:58 shikhin: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 05:04:43 shikhin: Who are you today? 05:05:33 zzo38: Who are you today? 05:05:53 shachaf: I am Aaron Black today, I suppose... 05:06:56 @brain 05:06:56 They've turned into giant Swiss leaderhosen-clad dancing yodelers. Talk about unpredictable! 05:07:31 * oerjan eyes zzo38 and shachaf suspiciously 05:38:04 Do you think LodePNG is better? 05:38:19 Than whom? 05:39:23 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: Joladatihi!). 05:42:33 Is better than libpng. 05:49:26 no, Ubuntu, it is not a problem that valgrind segfaulted 05:49:31 it doe that if the program it's running segfaults 05:49:33 *does 05:49:46 which is quite likely, because valgrind is the program I run for the purpose of diagnosing segfaults 06:05:00 ais523: That's the third welcome I've been given, here. :-) 06:05:07 :) 06:05:10 zzo38: Hmm, probably shikhin. 06:05:11 err, :-) 06:05:21 according to the RFCs for IRC, the hyphen is required 06:05:29 or well, it's in the only example given of one 06:05:44 examples are not normative!! probably 06:05:46 but I keep flattening the smileys out of habit 06:05:57 :) looks ugly, too. 06:06:06 (especially on a monospace font) 06:06:38 I have heard of stuff that Ubuntu does a bunch of stupid things by default, although you can change these things. 06:06:42 Which RFC? 06:07:01 the one about netiquette 06:07:03 I linked it a while back 06:07:09 can't remember the number 06:07:13 Aha. 06:07:22 also, a bug in my program just filled the screen with smiley faes 06:07:24 *faces 06:07:31 then double-freed when I tried to exit it 06:07:39 Hmm, the RFC says too use them sparingly. 06:07:41 valgrinding it now to catch the double free 06:07:53 in case it gives a hint as to where the smiley faces are coming from 06:07:55 silly ais523. free pointers, not doubles. 06:08:12 (that isn't "character 0x01 in code page 437", which is the most likely cause that that particular character was rendered) 06:08:55 Is it a ☺ character? 06:08:59 shachaf: yeah 06:09:22 That sounds like a strange bug. 06:10:10 the smiley face bug? 06:10:26 it's like the code's accidentally copying from the font rather than where it should be copying from 06:10:40 "Wait overnight to send emotional responses to messages. If you have really strong feelings about a subject, indicate it via FLAME ON/OFF enclosures." 06:11:14 yup, that's exactly what it was doing 06:12:27 shachaf: That's from the RFC? 06:12:38 shikhin: yep 06:13:52 oh wow, now this is pretty 06:15:02 hmm... there are two issues with this: 06:15:17 a) SDL2 doesn't seem to be rendering to texture, it's just rendering directly to the screen 06:15:27 b) I probably have the color channels in the wrong order 06:15:47 before, the files I tested it with used only white and transparent 06:16:06 which conveniently, are 0xffffffff and 0x00000000 in the 32bpp RGBA format I'm using 06:17:00 this is meant to be opaque and dark gray, but instead it's semitransparent and red 06:17:17 which leads me to conclude that the alpha channel is being interpreted as red 06:17:28 perhaps I have the endianness backwards 06:20:39 -!- zzo38 has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:30:45 A "qemu -m" just used up 16 gigs of RAM and 9 gigs of swap. 06:30:52 Er, I mean, "qemu -m 512". 06:32:50 yeah, endianness was backwards 06:46:46 all those stupid C1 control characters and they didn't bother to standardize FLAME ON or FLAME OFF :< 07:57:16 -!- FreeFull has quit. 08:01:03 -!- ^v has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 08:07:14 -!- Taneb has joined. 08:09:41 Anyone know a way I can get an alert when someone comes online on Facebook? 08:18:56 Pidgin? 08:27:26 Maybe 08:40:42 -!- Guest56477 has quit (Quit: Lost terminal). 08:51:07 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 08:53:47 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 08:53:54 -!- shikhin_ has changed nick to shikhin. 09:30:07 -!- ais523 has quit. 09:30:43 -!- mnoqy has joined. 09:35:41 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 09:52:37 -!- Ghoul__ has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 09:53:41 -!- AwfulProgrammer has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds). 10:04:09 https://twitter.com/big_ben_clock #kmc 10:10:48 -!- SirCmpwn has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 10:11:59 -!- SirCmpwn has joined. 10:32:36 -!- Koen_ has joined. 10:37:45 -!- carado has joined. 10:43:35 -!- jix has quit (Read error: Operation timed out). 10:43:52 -!- MindlessDrone has joined. 10:46:39 -!- jix has joined. 11:09:01 -!- Koen_ has quit (Quit: Koen_). 12:04:10 -!- Sgeo has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 12:12:10 -!- AwfulProgrammer has joined. 12:14:04 -!- Ghoul_ has joined. 12:14:31 -!- impomatic has joined. 12:15:24 -!- azaq23 has quit (Quit: Leaving.). 13:05:50 -!- augur has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 13:08:00 -!- FreeFull has joined. 13:32:45 -!- yorick has joined. 13:51:11 -!- sebbu2 has joined. 13:54:08 -!- boily has joined. 13:54:13 -!- metasepia has joined. 13:54:45 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 13:59:39 -!- asie has joined. 14:03:27 -!- conehead has joined. 14:04:47 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 14:18:07 -!- Taneb has joined. 14:18:48 -!- sebbu2 has changed nick to sebbu. 14:19:51 -!- asie has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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(For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 17:44:58 Phantom_Hoover: hoping for a MEANWHILE IN R/BITCOIN update today 17:46:21 -!- nooodl has joined. 17:46:33 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 17:46:57 -!- CorMeumLucidum has left. 17:48:48 bye 17:57:42 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 18:02:36 -!- Bike has joined. 18:07:21 -!- zzo38 has joined. 18:08:32 -!- shikhin___ has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:08:36 yup, already see somebody saying that a 25% drop in value is normal and it'll bounce back 18:08:43 I looked inside the computer and I see no damaged capacitors. I vacuumed it inside in case it helps, but I don't know if it does. I still have problems with bad video, and something inside the computer is clicking. 18:09:00 Bike: well, a 25% drop in value doesn't sound that abnormal for bitcoin. 18:09:12 that's why it's funny, yeah 18:09:15 healthy and natural 18:10:10 anyway the important thing here is, it's going to be like a billion times harder for me to get #drugz w/o accidentally getting kmc arrested now 18:10:17 http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1nlb08/ross_ulbricht_was_sloppy_and_outted_himself/ccjmvf4?context=1 this guy was not the smartest illegal drugs site operator ever 18:10:40 god, "hypothetically". 18:11:19 i like that «a/k/a "Dread Pirate Roberts"» is in official documents. 18:11:54 wow, he hired the hitman to kill someone who'd done a SQL injection? that's some cyberpunk shit 18:12:19 i like the pictures in this thing 18:12:31 exhibits A & B 18:13:12 Bike: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1nl5ct/silk_road_seized_by_the_feds/ccjn1kr this is so weird 18:13:51 Do you know what is wrong with thsi computer? 18:15:07 elliott: wat 18:16:29 it's gonna be great when we see criminal incompetence all laid out like this since it's the future and all 18:16:48 so uh, did the guy actually get murdered 18:17:50 zzo38: clicking suggests one of the moving parts is brushing up against something. that'd mean fans or spinning discs, i guess? 18:18:40 bad video could be because of a bunch of things. is the monitor okay? is the video card okay? are the cables okay? are you okay? 18:18:54 i'm okay 18:19:00 Bike: well it doesn't seem like the person who allegedly murdered them would have any reason to do it for the price given, assuming that comment is accurate 18:19:05 unless they just like killing people. 18:19:25 elliott: maybe they do just like killing people! i dont' "know" the "criminal" "mindset" 18:19:37 especially the bitcriminal 18:20:01 a cyberpunk reality masterminded by children 18:20:36 maybe this will all turn out to be a synydyne ARG. 18:21:40 http://media.tumblr.com/c907dd90564b1d759d746bd6a8c559fe/tumblr_inline_mu0qrxfYYQ1qdjjgt.png on a happier note, the government shutdown is going well 18:21:55 mnoqy: I think I cleaned the fans though; maybe a wire got caught inside though, but I think I moved those out of the way 18:22:01 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 18:22:35 Bike: … 18:23:22 -!- asie has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...). 18:25:15 Bike: \ldots{} 18:25:17 good news, bitcoin is back up to $120 after dropping from $140 to $110 in thirty minutes 18:25:57 your investments are safe. unless they were in drugs. 18:26:12 hmm, are the wars on terror and drugs halted then? 18:26:15 Now I found this "HWMonitor" program. Other than the temperature it also lists voltages and fan speeds. I notice that the -12V seems to be wrong; it is at -4 instead of -12 as it should be. 18:26:35 that would be p. great for peace on earth etc 18:26:46 Bike: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmVQ-tpggyY 18:27:02 alas, i don't see people makin stupid $250 sales to try to inflate the price 18:27:18 It lists the "THRM" temperature at 44 C 18:27:34 mnoqy: good stuff in the relateds here 18:27:36 "TMPIN2" is at 45 C 18:27:56 Actally it is down to 44 now and sometimes even 43 but these are the max values 18:28:13 "TMPIN1" doesn't seem to work; it says 0 C. 18:28:36 The "FANIN0" is at 2860 RPM. Is this proper? 18:29:35 The hard drive temperature is at 37 C. Is this proper? 18:30:13 (I have two hard drives in my computer though; perhaps one doesn't have a temperature sensor?) 18:32:11 Perhaps the power supply is bad because the -12 voltage is at -4. 18:32:32 But I already replaced it once. 18:32:39 * boily stands far, far away from zzo38's machine 18:32:55 * boily yells “EVERYTHING IS FINE AND PROPER, AT LEAST FROM HERE!” 18:34:56 I also notice a "Fans PWM" section although all three values are 0%. 18:40:08 Maybe it would help to underclock the CPU, although I looked in the BIOS menu and the minimum setting is 100 and that is what it is set to. (The maximum setting is 132. I don't know what units these are in.) 18:41:22 -!- asie has joined. 18:41:40 Although I also noticed for several years now that the RTC seems to be slow; it is always behind the correct date/time. 18:43:28 -!- Taneb has quit (Quit: Leaving). 18:43:57 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 18:48:19 Do you expect putting ice anywhere near the computer to help? 18:49:17 zzo38: dry ice. 18:59:03 How could anything get inside the disks? 18:59:14 It doesn't click all the time; only sometimes. 19:03:06 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Click_of_death#Hard_disk_drives ? 19:04:48 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 19:05:25 -!- ais523 has joined. 19:05:53 -!- zzo38 has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 19:08:57 -!- Bike has joined. 19:21:46 http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/02/us-crime-silkroad-raid-idUSBRE9910TR20131002 19:23:32 von mises. of course. 19:23:38 yeah 19:23:39 "During the raid, authorities seized $3.6 million worth of bitcoin" 19:24:24 "You know how there's been reports of X dollars amount of Bitcoins being seized from Silk Road? You can know about 25% of that dollar value" 19:25:04 one thing about bitcoin is that if everyone collectively refuses to respect a transaction, then they can 19:25:28 like, they can just pretend it didn't happen 19:25:31 looks like it's back up to $125/BTC. 19:25:31 yeah is the FBI going to open an account at MtGox and transfer it out with Dwolla or some shit? 19:26:11 kmc: well, they /could/; as long as MtGox could find a buyer for the bitcoins the FBI were selling, and they probably could, then it'd work just fine 19:26:13 they need it 'cos of the shutdown hurr hurr 19:27:30 haha 19:27:34 FBI gotta get paid 19:27:36 * kmc -> lunch 19:36:09 -!- conehead has joined. 19:39:34 kmc: they could use coinbase I guess? 19:40:38 we should email them with suggestions 19:48:32 Fiora: coinbase looks very interesting. do you use it? 19:48:50 Um, I used it like once to dump some of the bitcoins I had left 19:48:55 it was really simple and easy 19:49:40 I was going to use mtgox but then I realized they were requiring some crazy fancy identity verification and stuff and I really didn't want to hassle with that 19:49:51 (I should probably be glad I didn't use them now -_-) 19:50:47 same reason I didn't mtgox: my identity is my identity. okay with prooving that I am boily, but they are a little bit... overboard with all that. 19:51:43 oh well. all I need now are some shiny bitcoins. 19:52:57 i hear there's now an opening for a classic, lucrative market 19:54:38 ewww, lwip uses the current byte-order of the architecture and byteswap functions 19:57:07 that thing is still used? 19:57:53 well, I use it since some time yesterday... not sure if anyone else does 20:00:55 -!- asie has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...). 20:10:37 -!- ^v has quit (Quit: Leaving). 20:12:21 "Moral of the SilkRoad bust: Don't ask PHP questions on Stack Overflow" 20:12:44 ... is that how he got busted? 20:13:00 kmc: Did you see the PDF? 20:13:03 no 20:13:15 http://www1.icsi.berkeley.edu/~nweaver/UlbrichtCriminalComplaint.pdf 20:13:24 «in section 43 he post a question on stack overflow, asking "How can I connect to a Tor hidden service using curl in PHP?", using an account made under his name and then a minute later changed it to "frosty"» 20:13:41 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15445285/how-can-i-connect-to-a-tor-hidden-service-using-curl-in-php 20:13:50 omfg 20:14:07 there's the whole worry about parallel construction, but that sounds pretty, wow XD 20:15:08 which page number shachaf 20:15:18 which page what 20:15:57 from another answer to frosty, "Congratulations; you helped create the Silk Road :-)" 20:16:00 internet is weird 20:16:04 oh page 30 20:16:30 i mean, not by the asker of course, he's not /that/ dumb 20:16:32 some of the rest of the pdf is also relevant 20:22:14 reddit comments on the thing are as redditty as ever. 20:32:08 "Based on my training and experience, I know that criminals seeking to hide their identity online will often use pseudonymous usernames to conceal their identity." 20:33:29 Shit, we’re busted. 20:33:37 Well well well. 20:33:46 Gregor: darn, I guess you're safe 20:33:53 i'm not very pseudonymous either 20:34:06 ...when you're not using nicknames like 'Friendship', that is. 20:34:11 Hahaha 20:34:20 Or.. RocketSquirrel, was it? 20:35:03 Based on my training and experience, I know that I will prefix all my sentences with “Based on my training and experience, I know that”. 20:35:06 Eh, or did I mix things up now.. probably 20:35:19 ion: my thoughts exactly when reading that pdf 20:35:27 "criminals seeking to hide their identity online will often [hide their identity online]." 20:35:50 FireFly: RocketJSquirrel. 20:36:02 Ah 20:40:10 "clog << clog(2.718281828) << endl;" 20:41:14 C++ can be awesome sometimes 20:41:30 (the first clog is from , the second from ) 20:41:38 lol 20:41:56 left shift clog by clog of e 20:42:31 it's more a case of "how do you manage to give two identifiers in the standard library the same name" 20:44:46 well they were introduced by C++ and C99 respectively, I think 20:44:53 so maybe the committees don't talk to each other as much as they should ;P 20:45:10 yeah 20:45:23 apparently it's not a problem unless the one in is a macro 20:45:37 because in C, the first clog doesn't exist, and in C++, it can distinguish 20:46:03 makes sense 20:46:17 (because of overloading) 20:46:40 just to be safe they should give the first clog an operator() which calls the other one 20:47:01 if clog is a function macro it still works, I think? not sure if it portably works of course 20:48:11 -!- MindlessDrone has quit (Quit: MindlessDrone). 20:48:52 olsner: not if someone puts spaces between it and the parens, I tihnk 20:48:54 *think 20:48:56 not sure on that though 20:49:07 perhaps that's irrelevant 20:49:33 it'd definitely matter if you produced the second clog as the result of expanding another macro, with some order of sequencing the #defines 21:00:50 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 21:02:15 -!- carado has joined. 21:06:40 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 21:13:30 -!- ais523 has quit. 21:29:49 -!- nooodl has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 21:30:00 -!- tswett has joined. 21:30:21 So I tried to implement the Reidemeister moves in my new language: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Tuesday 21:30:27 Turns out that my new language is pretty hard to work with. 21:32:42 Certain things would be made significantly easier if you could specify that one rule takes priority over another. 21:35:58 Like lambda calculus. You could say that the rule (replace (var X) with (var Y) in (var X)): (var Y); takes precedence over the rule (replace (var X) with (var Y) in (var Z): (var Z);. 21:36:35 Whoops, an unmatched parenthesis. Let me mitigate the damage by closing it now. 21:36:35 ) 21:37:00 fungot: could you unbalance the parenthesises? 21:37:01 boily: i know lots of lisp stuff. people _love_ it, they're popped and assigned to local variables on the stack then yes, i'm excluding those that use psyntax's module system, 21:37:19 -!- nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 21:38:18 Gotta go. Great conversation, everyone. 21:38:25 -!- tswett has quit (Quit: Page closed). 21:39:10 @tell tswett hth 21:39:10 Consider it noted. 21:39:36 @tell tswett htsetth 21:39:36 Consider it noted. 21:39:42 darn. missed a w. 21:41:14 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 21:56:04 -!- oerjan has joined. 21:59:17 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds). 22:00:38 oerjan: I have to sing finnish music this term 22:01:17 fizzie: ^ 22:01:34 excellentä 22:02:37 `run words --finnish 10 # some lyrics 22:02:40 syytäväsi hapunokkaipa ikutiivissasi reistansa eettävässäännisammasi nostaan oleviä räisinnolleen koulultaan tuttamiassa 22:04:02 how do you pronounce kaikki maat te riemuitkaatte? 22:04:24 (apparently the song is a "psalmin" which I assume is a type of fish) 22:05:00 It's just a psalm. 22:05:02 @wn psalm 22:05:04 *** "psalm" wn "WordNet (r) 3.0 (2006)" 22:05:04 Psalm 22:05:04 n 1: one of the 150 lyrical poems and prayers that comprise the 22:05:06 Book of Psalms in the Old Testament; said to have been 22:05:08 written by David 22:05:10 2: any sacred song used to praise the deity 22:05:12 v 1: sing or celebrate in psalms; "He psalms the works of God" 22:05:14 -!- Bike has joined. 22:05:38 fizzie: 'twas a joke ;) 22:05:59 `run words --esoteric 10 22:06:01 As for pronunciation, I'm bad at explainin them but generally you can just map graphemes to phonemes in a straight-forward way. 22:06:01 Unknown option: esoteric 22:06:07 `run words --esolang 10 22:06:10 ctorylove elogi hcbf bf-pda cat hunter shakespeare ziim sqirrely alaguf 22:06:25 fizzie: how do you pronounce the e? is it "tee" or "tay"? 22:06:55 coppro: http://translate.google.com/#fi/en/kaikki%20maat%20te%20riemuitkaatte and click on the speaker icon -- it's very close. 22:07:08 that sounds like effort :P 22:07:15 `run words --french 20 # let's see if they are real French words... 22:07:19 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:07:19 baony cirtungt intes regref yinerissamp hidedio fustants rugiri fraggre doplees promîm pavées dederla expurrida bons lnutz cuis nefîicy andosacrétos holog 22:07:27 And it's the IPA /e/, or close enough. 22:07:51 mais c'est n'importe quoi! 22:07:52 Like the e in 'bed'. 22:08:39 boily: il y a deux 22:09:54 coppro: je vois bien, mais n'empêche que 2/20, c'est pas fort. 22:10:10 `run words --french 20 # let's see if they are REAL French words again... 22:10:13 pari pers nar anguait mécommie lous gyt profebruguâ croit rentiput luffice lau provendentem cinquière hoquemen infit ractan les érrent uilepin 22:10:41 coppro: à peine mieux. 22:10:58 boily: oui, c'est ça 22:14:15 je m'insurge! je réclame un vrai dictionnaire! oui à la Domination Mondiale par le Français! 22:15:01 verilog why do you not have an expressional cond. come on. come on 22:16:54 boily: bons and les were really words, right? 22:18:24 oerjan: I confirm «pavées», «bons», «pari», «croit» and «les» are real, common modern French words. 22:19:18 (paved FEM. PLUR., good PLUR., bet, (he) believes, the PLUR.) 22:21:03 il croit qu'ils sont bons mots 22:22:18 sorry if I sound pedantic, but: «il croit que ce sont de bons mots.» 22:22:27 ;_; 22:23:06 at least you conjugate your verbs better than most francophones. 22:23:19 yay! 22:24:17 also it's really annoying to use google translate for french when my browser refuses to accept ´ as a working dead key 22:24:37 eh? 22:24:59 well i was going to look up érrent 22:25:27 that one comes very close to «errent» (they wander). 22:26:05 on an errand, no doubt 22:26:07 boily: j'ai compté «cuis», mais pas «pavées» 22:26:22 coppro: je ne connais pas le cuis. allons google translater la chose! 22:26:36 AAAARGH! 22:26:45 to cook. 22:26:47 obviously. 22:26:47 lol 22:27:15 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 260 seconds). 22:27:24 la honte... 22:27:42 boily cuis des poulets 22:27:55 * oerjan didn't try to check that conjugation 22:28:01 -!- azaq23 has joined. 22:28:20 boily: ce sont «pari» et «pavées»? 22:29:04 oerjan: nearly. third person, so «cuit». 22:29:42 coppro: a bet, and paved, as in paved roads: «routes pavées». 22:30:32 ah, merçi! 22:30:39 dë riën. 22:31:01 bon, avec tout ça, j'ai faim. temps d'aller manger du poisson mort. 22:31:08 -!- boily has quit (Quit: SUSHI!). 22:31:10 -!- metasepia has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 22:31:20 ah, zut 22:32:00 poison du mort 22:32:49 il á parti avant que j'aie eu l'opportunité de se dire «Est-çe que tu va cuire le poisson?» 22:59:58 -!- augur has joined. 23:11:38 -!- Bike has joined. 23:17:07 `quote 23:17:09 796) the other day I bought a recycling can from amazon it came in a cardboard box i took the can out of the box, broke down the box, and put it in the can it was amazing 23:17:25 `quote 23:17:26 49) Porn. There, see? 23:17:32 no 23:17:35 `quote 23:17:36 736) A lot of things happened; not only me, but also you 23:17:44 yes 23:18:14 is zzo38 run by syndyne 23:19:31 `quote 23:19:33 1049) i think delivery sushi is one of those habits that can rapidly consume all of one's money like cocaine 23:19:39 `quote 23:19:41 531) elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. 23:19:47 `delquote 531 23:19:54 ​*poof* elliott: GHC bug? Come on, it's the parentheses. The more parentheses you add, the closer it is to LISP, and therefore the more dynamically-typed. 23:22:05 -!- Phantom_Hoover has joined. 23:22:38 -!- ^v has joined. 23:22:55 `quote 23:22:56 582) http://i.imgur.com/dosYw.png WELCOME TO FUCKING STEELROMANCED 23:23:08 `quote 23:23:08 shachaf: what the hell was wrong with that quote, are you trying to make a squeaky clean image on the internet or something 23:23:09 266) Ohheywait, I can make it a raytracer instead of a photon tracer so long as I run time backwards. 23:23:18 oerjan: It's not good? 23:23:23 It's just pointless and stupid. 23:23:47 my quotes are better than that quote, and my quotes are the bottom of the barrel. there you have it 23:23:57 Bike: O KAY 23:24:05 It doesn't meet whatever quality standards the quote database ought to have. 23:24:40 -!- Taneb has joined. 23:25:04 i'm surprised all my DF ones have survived the culls 23:25:12 I've just seen someone run past me in Sailor Moon cosplay (I think) with a Pikachu backpack] 23:25:32 at... twenty past twelve? 23:26:03 the witching hour 23:27:18 Phantom_Hoover, she (or possibly he) was leaving university accommodation 23:27:43 some late-night sailor moon cosplay 23:28:15 maybe she was at a party or larp type thing with friends? 23:28:30 larping at midnight??? on wednesday???? 23:28:33 it doesn't add up! 23:29:07 well okay my college had midnight larp type things but that was on friday or saturday. 23:29:39 midnight larp just sounds hilarious 23:29:46 like you're being all furtive and mystic about it 23:29:59 pretty sure we were warned about midnight larping by jack chick. 23:30:28 it was actually people running around the main lecture complex with duct-tape daggers 23:31:44 well that just sounds like a recipe for unpleasant misunderstandings 23:32:14 pleasant knifeterstandings 23:32:21 http://www.mit.edu/~assassin/ 23:32:50 we played Capture the Flag using the steam tunnels, does that count as LARP 23:33:06 depends. did you pretend to have fur? 23:33:21 (I don't think that thing was very larpy. I knew someone who did actual larp though, she had a lot of fun with it) 23:33:59 Bike: larp != furry 23:34:43 nope 23:36:01 the intersection is probably non-empty, but they are entirely orthogonal concepts. 23:36:07 nope 23:36:13 -!- ChanServ has set channel mode: +o oerjan. 23:36:21 -!- oerjan has kicked Bike yes.. 23:36:26 -!- oerjan has set channel mode: -o oerjan. 23:38:44 I can't bear bears 23:56:08 -!- azaq231 has joined. 23:56:29 -!- augur has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 23:57:08 -!- azaq23 has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 23:57:08 -!- augur has joined. 23:58:00 <^v> nope 23:58:01 <^v> nope 23:58:38 <^v> also, protip: /cs kick #esoteric 23:58:53 -!- azaq231 has quit (Client Quit). 23:59:09 -!- azaq23 has joined.