< 1381881692 354500 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`bienvenido < 1381881695 84983 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​¡Bienvenido al centro internacional para el diseño y despliegue de lenguajes de programación esotéricos! Por desgracia, la mayoría de nosotros no hablamos español. Para obtener más información, echa un vistazo a nuestro wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Para el otro tipo de esoterismo, prueba #esoteric en irc.dal.net.) < 1381881726 140335 :anthony2!~thony@190.60.60.34 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hola < 1381881730 758685 :anthony2!~thony@190.60.60.34 PART :#esoteric < 1381881839 960629 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i wonder if we're included in some kind of list of "spanish" irc channels < 1381881844 91933 :snuffeluffegus!~banana@rrcs-98-101-186-162.midsouth.biz.rr.com QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381881882 71923 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think we decided it's because the name starts with 'es' < 1381881884 320728 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :sî < 1381881923 952416 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, but maybe there's still some autogenerated list somewhere < 1381881973 539083 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-85-23-163-182.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381882376 853566 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111117 < 1381882517 954959 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381882545 381895 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381882694 7770 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Buenas noches < 1381882919 386333 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bb/Speed1c.png < 1381883032 419226 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :automatic transmission? < 1381883074 751275 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381883268 871913 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381883328 577566 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381883345 848476 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope, just a 14-speed internal hub gear for bicycles < 1381883351 15588 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rohloff_Speedhub < 1381883407 634084 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's about $1200 apparently < 1381883623 920253 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Rohloff still claim never to have had a hub fail and the greatest distance claimed for a Rohloff hub in 2009 was 145,000km" < 1381884413 581224 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :syntax-case is probably confusing to talk about. syntax-case isn't all there is to syntax-case, and arguably the syntax-case in the syntax-case mechanism is optional < 1381885101 292466 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381885639 357195 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381886152 354514 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381887910 882196 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :never fails? for a mechanical gear? that would be impressive < 1381888089 773402 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i guess it's impressive on its own though, that's a pretty shiny lookin diagram < 1381888105 32221 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1381888145 1955 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, no external components, i guess that would help lasting < 1381888457 864519 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1381889230 574100 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: http://blog.cryptographyengineering.com/2013/10/lets-audit-truecrypt.html?showComment=1381802478312 < 1381889238 167520 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :err, why was showComment in that URL < 1381889281 462094 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381889519 842362 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1381889592 175609 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1381889669 459617 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381889740 776227 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Quit: Uguubee111117 < 1381890080 824346 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1381890087 442374 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bought a dvd and now i remember my dvd drive doesn't work < 1381890296 28192 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :They cost like $15. < 1381890344 306473 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381890405 401427 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1381890454 560739 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381890560 250577 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1381890916 989530 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381891190 86634 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: don't you know the kanjis? < 1381891254 790869 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :`frink 40 Gg -> pound < 1381891266 456524 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :4000000000000000/45359237 (approx. 8.818490487395103e7) < 1381891345 899878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :quintopia: Yup < 1381891420 31289 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: can you transliterate the name taku yushihara for me? not being nipponese myself, i'm not even sure which is the family name... < 1381891447 449465 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :can you even reliably make up kanji for a given name < 1381891460 152755 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: No. < 1381891470 475721 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kanji even do that?? < 1381891490 748013 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I can only *guess* that that name is supposed to be Taku YUSHIHARA, rather than TAKU Yushihara. < 1381891508 224354 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Yushihara seems more last-name-ish) < 1381891547 616542 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, i want to look him up on facebook, but i don't think he used the english phonetic... < 1381891550 641449 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :best guess? < 1381891581 535774 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :WWWJDIC doesn't have an entry for YUSHIHARA, so Imma guess it's a stupidly rare surname. < 1381891594 806555 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :In which case the god damned kanji could be anything. < 1381891613 448110 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And there's like a dozen possible kanji for Taku. < 1381891636 880489 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which is either a given name or a family name. < 1381891652 625720 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :So, without asking the person him/herself, I cannot possibly know. < 1381891661 388983 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :damn < 1381891677 868356 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Japanese names suck. < 1381891722 123067 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Basically, it is nigh-impossible to map between readings and characters for names. < 1381891734 269701 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just lossy innit < 1381891770 794968 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never really understand when it comes up in the animes. i just assume all japanese people wear nametags < 1381891798 551384 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean that any given reading could have multiple character choices, and any given characters could have multiple possible readings. < 1381891846 802518 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :what an ambiguous typographical system < 1381891864 142091 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :not that english is too much better < 1381891918 53721 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's really only quite that bad for names < 1381891936 42861 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not impolite to ask someone how to write their name, if I remember right it's pretty common < 1381891942 192870 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yeah. < 1381891976 363786 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: how do you write your name < 1381891980 536270 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The normal writing system has funny weird cases where it's ambiguous, but for a competent speaker it's not a problem. < 1381891994 253290 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"pikhq" < 1381892054 482602 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: ウスタ・ヨシヤ < 1381892056 226953 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :My speakers are not competent. :-( Sometimes they make clicking or buzzing noises for no obvious reason. < 1381892065 868232 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I think the buzzing is software. < 1381892107 951643 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"USUTA Yoshiya" < 1381892126 426623 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :how do you wriiiiite it though < 1381892133 747131 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :With katakana? < 1381892140 109237 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the kanji! < 1381892146 62052 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :katakana are for like, foreiegners, maaaaan < 1381892181 767990 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :What am I, Japanese? < 1381892192 911094 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :just like my animes < 1381892237 218332 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION suspects "Josiah Worcester" is way too English to be Japanese. < 1381892261 671088 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good lord < 1381892277 838368 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you pronounce "worcester" in the pleb way or the massachusetts way < 1381892286 211496 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :The correct way. < 1381892296 105661 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good < 1381892300 725953 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vaguely like "Wuhster"? < 1381892330 716505 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :therrrrre you go < 1381892337 202445 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Always amused me that people have trouble with Worcestershire. < 1381892339 815511 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :rhoticism is pleb though. < 1381892371 39264 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or that people like inserting an h in the spelling. < 1381892377 160927 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Worchester" it is not. < 1381892407 316718 :NihilistDandy!~ND@c-24-147-92-50.hsd1.vt.comcast.net QUIT : < 1381892495 240089 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I can freaking spell it for people and they insert an h. < 1381892498 705878 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sigh. < 1381892508 752662 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :And then there's people who somehow screw up my first name. < 1381892519 864216 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :C'mon, "Josiah" is not a rare name. < 1381892533 658224 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have no idea how to pronounce it. < 1381892545 304 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joe sai ya < 1381892632 48210 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Weird anglicisation of יֹאשִׁיָּהוּ < 1381893157 342131 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381893304 708460 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381893379 598189 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :In... high school or middle school, I forget which, some librarian needed to write down my name, so I told her my name, and she asked "man?", and I thought she was asking if I was a man, so I said yes, and she wrote "Goldman" < 1381893426 34844 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's why i always introduce myself as Darkness O'Corvidkill. < 1381893834 499960 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ebikeony Darkness Raven Way < 1381894268 211396 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381894419 495320 :Rugxulo!~user@adsl-065-013-115-246.sip.mob.bellsouth.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1381894656 686088 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like there should be a simpler way to make polyvariadic functions < 1381894956 311108 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-190.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381895083 188133 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-190.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Client Quit < 1381895351 366406 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1381897030 48905 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381897595 422530 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381897598 531768 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1381897809 95038 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1381897900 232000 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :When I write my name in Japanese I write using the katakana for "Aaron" and the kanji for "Black". < 1381897926 405671 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you ever write your name in other languages than English and (if applicable) your language? < 1381897943 269043 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, I write my name in Japanese. < 1381897957 92019 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :English is my native language. :P < 1381897997 995716 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How do you do? < 1381898026 972749 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ウスタ・ヨシヤ < 1381898056 313095 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do i write my name in your language < 1381898056 498419 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1381898077 674424 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last name as typically transcribed by the handful of people needing to talk about Worcester, first name as it appears in Japanese Bible translations. < 1381898089 687238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw that in the log but I forgot that is what it means < 1381898103 546595 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: I don't know how *you* write your own name. < 1381898115 579447 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/27881.html Implementing UEFI Boot to Zork < 1381898143 341857 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: Yes I have seen UEFI to Zork < 1381898189 369680 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also has the nice property that my name actually fits in 6 characters and isn't hard to pronounce for Japanese people. < 1381898219 504172 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dear god, I cannot imagine having a transcription of a name like "Aldwinkle" in Japanese. < 1381898243 519001 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think a more accurate interpreter than Frotz should be used; most (even Infocom's own interpreters) have errors, partially due to errors in a Z-Machine Standards Document, Infocom's own documents, and other things; even my interpreters (Fweep and Aimfiz) have what I found to be a few errors (I will fix them), despite being more accurate in general < 1381898319 623349 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :aduwinko < 1381898334 164455 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm wi is obsolete or something isn't it < 1381898336 683680 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: Yes, that is why my brother's name could fit in Super Smash Brothers Melee but not Brawl, despite Brawl allowing five letters and Melee only having four. < 1381898341 464322 :pikhq!~pikhq@71-81-150-146.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: "Arudouxinkuru" < 1381898344 315099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Yes < 1381898351 778224 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: my next band < 1381898472 764217 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use a kanji in my name although I think usually non-Japanese people don't do that (my brother also just transliterates the sound into katakana, although I prefer to use the kanji meaning "black") < 1381898492 594825 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :is your brother ever in this channel < 1381898520 316034 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think so. < 1381898668 958255 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :How often are quit messages in the quote file? < 1381898693 827406 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run grep quit quotes | wc -l < 1381898697 30229 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :15 < 1381898699 463930 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :about 15 often < 1381898710 861932 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: איתן < 1381898747 91171 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: OK < 1381898759 279801 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: I don't know Hebrew writing very well. < 1381898782 714581 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: spelt in English as Eitan < 1381898795 24750 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1381898797 244144 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :the englishified name is Ethan < 1381898809 868951 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :pronouned as ATE a proTON < 1381898847 84948 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK < 1381898881 585099 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: You are just finding if it says "quit" not necessarily if it is a quit message (although maybe part messages should also be counted, if any) < 1381898885 252804 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:25c6:bdb0:bf91:56da QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381898901 252625 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PART :#esoteric < 1381898901 398168 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1381898918 263656 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION likes his part message < 1381898962 19254 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is no message. < 1381898978 13161 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: eh, < 1381898981 159927 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :let me try again < 1381898982 758786 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PART #esoteric :"Overflow in /dev/null" < 1381898984 502735 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always type in the message every time if applicable < 1381898986 15827 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable JOIN :#esoteric < 1381898989 53722 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I always type in the message every time if applicable < 1381898992 232185 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: apperently /cycle doesn't leave the message < 1381898994 288636 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :trout: OK it is working now < 1381898997 940542 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :only /part then /join < 1381899024 850640 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't create a macro to automatically make part/quit messages < 1381899035 496695 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :I use xchat < 1381899042 843656 :trout!root@freebsd/developer/variable PRIVMSG #esoteric :there is a preference for a default message < 1381899092 277908 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, OK. The client I use has no such preference so it would have to be a macro; maybe some other clients also have preference for a default message, and some don't have. < 1381899174 200011 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The client I use is simple and only has a few settings (other than macros, which it also has): ANSWER, AUTOPONG, COLS, FORMAT, IDLETIMER, ROWS, SHOWTIME, and USERINFO. < 1381899445 312559 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am a bit curious to know what happens in various IRC clients when you give it the command to connect without telling it what to connect to? (In some clients this might not be possible, though) < 1381899501 849104 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What does Xchat do in such a case, or does it disable something in a dialog box before you type it in, or what? < 1381899626 431672 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you want to change your "/cycle" macro to leave the message, then? < 1381900106 69110 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Haskell's Typeable is mostly useful when you subclass it. Isn't it? < 1381900120 367460 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think it is useful by itself. < 1381900210 505621 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do you mean? < 1381900333 561027 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean to do something like class Typeable x => XYZ x where { ... } (possibly there will be other classes mentioned before => as well) rather than using Typeable somewhere directly. < 1381900389 849049 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you ever used Typeable at all? < 1381900398 877998 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is Data.Data.Data an example of such a typeclass < 1381900403 117154 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(best name ever for a typeclass) < 1381900509 653444 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is something that uses it, but not the examples I was thinking of. < 1381900524 251321 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what sort of example did you have in mind? < 1381900547 167963 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Things like Control.Exception.Exception and Graphics.DVI.Node < 1381900583 291838 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I figured out this kind of technique independently from them; but these kind of things would be common in mathematics and related stuff anyways) < 1381900624 649488 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although Data.Data.Data does count too < 1381900692 871416 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(The methods for Exception don't seem particularly meaningful) < 1381901135 55163 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fix (Data.) < 1381901178 103653 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://b.igdata.co/ < 1381901235 806621 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://heh.fi/gates/ < 1381901374 37971 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1381901660 705606 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: the methods for Exception are used to let you do "subtyping" of exceptions < 1381902239 822777 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: Ah, OK yes I suppose that is what it can be useful for, you seem to be correct. < 1381902247 342339 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I didn't think of that. < 1381902395 710962 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1381904874 1013 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381905949 802515 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381908336 916180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"File size: . Are you sure you want to download this Corpus now?" Well, now, I'm not sure I have . space available. < 1381908375 226827 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What Corpus is this and what are you downloading it from? < 1381908434 571460 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from LDC, and it's just some speech stuff. < 1381908497 79304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is it HTTP or FTP? If it is HTTP you can try a HEAD request (I did this with something else that failed to display the filesize correctly). If it is Google then a HEAD request might not work (Google has a really bad implementation of HTTP) < 1381908555 565228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :What is LDC? < 1381908575 354489 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :corpus callosum < 1381909057 286621 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I need to write a 1000 word essay describing a "classic publication in computer science" < 1381909429 121420 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm thinking about doing it on On Computable Numbers With An Application To The Entscheidungsproblem < 1381909735 494324 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a good one < 1381909752 544315 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could write about _Reflections on Trusting Trust_ and its relevance to the paranoid dystopian world we live in today < 1381909766 731880 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :LDC is the Linguistic Data Consortium, and it's behind a login thing, so testing with HEAD might be a bit iffy. Though I have the approximate sizes from elsewhere, so it's no big problem that this download system doesn't show them correctly. < 1381909779 754780 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... think that may be slightly to recent to be considered classical, kmc < 1381909878 448809 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION looks up when it was published < 1381909880 375602 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :1984. < 1381909889 347839 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: Depending on how widely "computer science" is interpreted there, there's also A Mathematical Theory of Communication, that's a classic too. < 1381909982 289788 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, wow, that far back? < 1381909991 482361 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression it was from like 2011 < 1381910002 733007 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :_Reflections on Trusting Trust_ is barely longer than 1000 words itself. < 1381910097 391528 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure that's why the essay is secretly a review of _Glasshouse_ and a rant about the NSA < 1381910322 54091 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one slight problem I'm having with my course is that it assumes no prior programming experience, so is teaching us all Python < 1381910492 257136 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and? < 1381910577 565065 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :That bit of the course is all very basic and going quite slowly < 1381910792 332736 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :is it time-consuming < 1381910822 529324 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Four hours a week, so not too much < 1381910946 29369 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :you should also include the hours spent on writing essays about stuff < 1381910957 873710 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT : < 1381910965 195820 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, in the programming module there hasn't been any of that yet but it's about to start < 1381911000 41959 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, that was different course from the essay you were writing? < 1381911052 31348 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Different module < 1381911091 691172 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got I think 6 modules < 1381911243 172607 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.65.19 QUIT :Quit: breakfast and then life < 1381911398 876248 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381912064 62119 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381912271 356008 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381914094 491576 :Uguubee111117!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381914637 114551 :Taneb!9020b372@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.114 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381915924 69369 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381917040 261493 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381917198 876215 :Taneb!9020b372@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: did elliott want to play dwarf fortress < 1381917233 769905 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i never asked < 1381917238 41960 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you just want the fort bac < 1381917298 577942 :Taneb!9020b372@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, not right now < 1381917307 460099 :Taneb!9020b372@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.179.114 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm slightly in a Python practical < 1381917362 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JOIN :#esoteric < 1381926177 771180 :Taneb!90208049@gateway/web/freenode/ip.144.32.128.73 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1381926360 711451 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381927055 353177 :Taneb!~androirc@nas79-64.york.ac.uk JOIN :#esoteric < 1381927162 958694 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381927318 724142 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381927326 681915 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Client Quit < 1381927494 430989 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381927508 341362 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381928652 353595 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How lovely, variables "hp" and "Hp" that serve different purposes. < 1381928770 699264 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381928985 773632 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381929276 758782 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: it could be even more tortuous, with subtle greek and cyrillic letters mixed in. < 1381929983 877547 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381930677 598516 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381930700 548243 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhik < 1381930703 851567 :shikhik!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1381930815 253408 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1381930966 536412 :Taneb!~androirc@nas79-64.york.ac.uk QUIT :Quit: Taneb < 1381931039 357554 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1381931586 129937 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381931939 521130 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381932913 732714 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"W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1381932982 389685 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381933108 537786 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381933682 23807 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381933784 476807 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381933850 344231 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381933871 497593 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381933897 929401 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1381933903 631817 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381933924 678749 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381933924 834953 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1381933950 698757 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381933985 314792 :augur!~augur@208.58.5.87 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381934296 959943 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1381934464 910538 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1381934465 729296 :conehead_!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead NICK :conehead < 1381934528 349317 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I just stumbled on a SO comment by oerjan. < 1381934548 358039 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1381934590 878260 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-55-236.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1381934591 23730 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381934603 970580 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1381935063 194577 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381935288 292990 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SOerjan. < 1381935456 958326 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381935476 912171 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381935625 299826 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381936395 801773 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381936684 899667 :augur!~augur@129-2-129-34.wireless.umd.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1381936795 556374 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:fce6:53b2:70ce:8bca JOIN :#esoteric < 1381937108 928202 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1381938696 123843 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1381939368 468601 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381939599 132631 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381939895 856274 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381940100 888713 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381940111 618689 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381940253 171822 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone told me today there was one paper by Alan Turing that I was explicitly not allowed to write this essay on < 1381940263 392670 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1381940264 931165 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I checked just now and it turns out it's the other one < 1381940300 466612 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what paper < 1381940310 743629 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Computing Machinery and Intelligence < 1381940318 154286 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was going to write my essay on On Computable Numbers, with an Application to the Entscheidungs problem < 1381940322 831107 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh that one < 1381940343 461994 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :entscheidungsproblem is one word < 1381940359 783950 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :coppro, yeah but I was copy-pasting it from somewhere that was wrong because I'm lazy < 1381940360 831323 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Turing has one Paper and a bunch of papers < 1381940477 522891 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :"You can choose any publication within the area < 1381940477 668241 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :of computer science; the only restriction is that you cannot choose Turing’s “Computing < 1381940477 668405 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Machinery and Intelligence” or any publication whose main topic is the Turing test.1" < 1381940584 195059 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is mentioned variables "hp" and "Hp" being different? Someone also mentioned being confusing if you mixed it with Greek, but that isn't a problem if non-ASCII characters aren't allowed in variable names (I prefer not to allow non-ASCII anywhere except comments, string literals, and character literals, and in all such cases can be any encoding following Principle of Extended ASCII; UTF-8 is one such encoding). < 1381940610 840585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I have done things where "VERSION" and "version" are two different macros. < 1381940734 423011 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: The code in question seemed to have a convention that if "foo" was something, "Foo" was some processed version of it; there were more pairs like that. < 1381940785 717037 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: Ah, OK. < 1381940821 292842 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I suppose that can be such a convention. (In my program I had no such convention; furthermore I didn't notice I had given these things similar names until afterward) < 1381941072 751054 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also in mine they are macros, not variables, although "version" expands into something that can be used as an lvalue but never is used that way) < 1381941157 590815 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb, was this because they were sick of everyone writing essays on the turing test < 1381941166 265708 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It really sounds like it < 1381941217 776951 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :shame. i'm sure they'd love my essay on ESP < 1381941259 769964 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i have to write an essay this year, it sounds awful < 1381941392 461861 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :computing machinery and intelligence isn't a very mathy paper, anyway, and presumably this is a math class < 1381941434 835528 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, it's a Computer Science class < 1381941478 218284 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so math < 1381941485 522671 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :are you doing maths with computer science or straight CS, i keep forgetting < 1381941519 193692 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maths and CS < 1381941524 359382 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Joint < 1381941597 458022 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :(it doesn't help that in warwick that's called discrete maths) < 1381941638 826004 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :why do you have to write an essay on a turing thing. what the heck < 1381941703 536886 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :The descrpition given why "idso" Deadfish isn't acceptable in dc, fails to mention that it is because "s" requires to put another letter afterward. < 1381941703 846327 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy, I have to write an essay on a classic paper in computer science < 1381941712 171373 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but why < 1381941741 124016 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's weird about reading old papers. < 1381941756 119358 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ther'es nothing weird about reading old papers < 1381941769 873666 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so... < 1381941771 180569 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's weird is having to write an essay about them for a cs class < 1381941797 404678 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why? it gets students to read and thin about old papers. < 1381941809 231771 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :having students familiarise themselves with the literature on their subject of choice is indeed weird and pointless < 1381941861 32586 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-190.psoas.suomi.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381941910 841850 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :having... students... think? < 1381941937 760060 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you'd almost think not everyone did a load of amateur study outside of university < 1381942080 413203 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :A computer science degree certifies that you have been learning the right programming languages since preschool < 1381942113 922716 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :...and, in this case, also that you can write an essay < 1381942152 85464 :Jafet!~jafet@unaffiliated/jafet PRIVMSG #esoteric :Is the simplexity analysis paper considered classic < 1381942175 683183 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :just do church's one or something, you get bonus hipster cred for that < 1381942392 317519 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about "On certain formal properties of grammars"? < 1381942721 119284 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1381942817 761660 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381942909 127860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : I just stumbled on a SO comment by oerjan. <-- i was slightly active there for a while, sadly i never properly registered, and all my points disappeared when the cookies or whatever had expired after a prolonged absense. < 1381942932 960381 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or well, i guess the points are still there, i just don't have access to that profile. < 1381943035 687656 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm searching for "Ørjan Johansen" gives one hit which is not me :( < 1381943082 149501 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there are otherjans on the Planet? that's shocking! < 1381943096 660017 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, help I'm not evil enough < 1381943096 818552 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1381943102 504944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: shocking < 1381943151 301046 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Not evil enough for what? < 1381943158 535038 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, to be a supervillain < 1381943165 789987 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1381943189 862904 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1381943222 453628 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Then don't be a supervillain! < 1381943235 656864 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: get a cat < 1381943287 858031 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, I don't like cats :( < 1381943295 346941 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I find them a bit scary < 1381943297 346440 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah there's the problem. < 1381943314 169304 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you prefer rats? < 1381943316 14589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can start with a cat facsimile. < 1381943318 426411 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or, perhaps, hats? < 1381943344 888114 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think bats would also do. < 1381943348 903144 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or with some sort of a starter cat. < 1381943351 985662 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, bats too. < 1381943359 520426 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although you may then need some dental adjustment. < 1381943395 787954 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :now, bats _and_ rats, then we have a good basis for a supervillain. < 1381943437 425310 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :You don't need bats and rats to have a basis for a supervillain. < 1381943444 534284 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131016-starter-cat.png that's not at all what I was looking for. < 1381943454 642455 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nor does it really help, but it doesn't hurt, either. < 1381943463 442860 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: there are of course many possible bases. < 1381943486 134681 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381943494 989855 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :btw the rats in question should be plague infected. < 1381943507 664389 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, plague isn't necessary. < 1381943606 633527 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how can the arrival of your apparently unmanned ship in the harbor cause proper terror if it doesn't have plague-infested rats? < 1381943607 12087 :adhi!~ad_hi34@36.69.33.57 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381943623 957731 :adhi!~ad_hi34@36.69.33.57 PART :#esoteric < 1381943638 225941 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :we got neither a hi nor ads. < 1381943656 85821 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Well, there is the other way. < 1381943674 117496 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :aha < 1381943693 51840 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Such as noises < 1381943711 203184 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If you hear ghosts in the ship then maybe it might cause "proper" terror < 1381943717 456297 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. a supervillain could also be based on vats. the larger the better. < 1381943727 642890 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :How about gnats? < 1381943735 640238 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or plaits? < 1381943754 806309 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I hear Stalin did very well with only secretariats! < 1381943769 257566 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, secretary is good enough. < 1381943791 134804 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i don't think plaits has the right pronunciation? < 1381943797 648731 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :secretarian gnat-rat mutagenic hybrids. that I would be scared of. < 1381943799 605263 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, it does with my accent? < 1381943807 486677 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Rats, bats, hats, cats, secretaries, computers, etc can be even if you are not a supervillain, I suppose. < 1381943812 497573 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hm i guess it's an evil accent. < 1381943812 936807 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381943821 685218 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, well, I am British, after all < 1381943856 454447 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stupid google translate. en:plait → fr:plait. < 1381943871 258613 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also a good basic supervillain policy is tits for tats < 1381943917 564056 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh. apparently en:plaits is fr:tresses. much better. < 1381943951 658644 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :plait /n./ 2. †c. fig. A complication, an aberration; a quirk, a snag, a wrinkle; something obscured, concealed, or hidden away, esp. in order to mislead or deceive; a kink, a dodge, a trick. Obs. < 1381944006 703407 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i understand aberrations may be supervillains. Mr. Kjugobe of course excepted. < 1381944064 991136 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1589 G. Puttenham Arte Eng. Poesie iii. xxiv. 245 Oportet iudicem esse rudem & simplicem, without plaite or wrinkle, sower in looke and churlish in speach. < 1381944072 164744 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, wiktionary says "plait" can be pronounced either way < 1381944079 356972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: i noticed < 1381944086 47268 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Of course it is possible, but so may someone else be supervillains. Mr. Kjugobe is of course excepted, but other thing can also be exception possibly. < 1381944205 995260 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am still wondering whether sir vulpus of yafgc is an exception or an example. the claims were divided. < 1381944216 390274 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(and the story arc isn't over yet.) < 1381944226 920708 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: kjugobe? vulpus? yafgc? < 1381944227 284640 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yes i do gregor. he wore a different hat every fnord insanely good coder, either?) < 1381944248 164839 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1381944254 921295 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot/Gregor otp < 1381944255 266208 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: hackish. maybe but it just looks... obese and confusing... i like watching that trace :) < 1381944275 971470 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: spot on. < 1381944278 147892 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: yafgc is a web comic (some times nsfw.) kjugobe is zzo38's d&d character, an illithid (and thus an aberration.) < 1381944333 416904 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :vulpus is a character mentioned in passing in the former as part of the current arc's background story. < 1381944348 231471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also i'm being silly. < 1381944411 589284 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I never illithided. too much repulsion. < 1381944443 171899 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: how do you pronounce your char's name? /kjugɔbe/? < 1381944463 627100 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Kind of like that, yes. < 1381944477 106701 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Actually their full name is: Iuckqlwviv Kjugobe.) < 1381944500 679211 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(he was a werewolf. the not entirely answered question is whether he was a very good or a very evil werewolf. although one of the sides seems to have lost a lot of believability.) < 1381944514 546578 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Is he necessarily either? < 1381944589 983066 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: it is of course possible that both sides exaggerated their claims. < 1381944599 491330 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ACTION tries to pronounce his first name as if IPA... “juck... juckqlw *cough*...” < 1381944660 758573 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made it up using a algorithm designed to make up name by rolling a d6 and d20 dice, except that I programmed it into the TI-92 calculator instead. It is OK if the name is difficult for humanity. < 1381944784 431349 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :my paranoia character is named “Shlebesh Gurgudugurgudu”, with some random generation number stuck at the end. < 1381944799 995107 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(we lost track a long time ago, what with the multiple deaths and other mishaps...) < 1381944813 71729 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :OK. < 1381944836 414619 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i though paranoia names were shorter than that. < 1381944862 696781 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and had a color character in the middle. < 1381944888 751814 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :although i guess that's not permanent. < 1381944926 680026 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1381944932 966433 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, it's usually shortened to just “Shle”. < 1381945134 158185 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I shorten my character's name to just "Kjugobe" since there isn't anyone else of that name in context. < 1381945264 465361 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although the name "Gxxyuxihuvxi" is really difficult to pronounce, so I never do. < 1381945323 310844 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Instead we call Gxxyuxihuvxi "the god who shall not be named because it is difficult to pronounce". < 1381945336 380838 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i think it's not that hard if you do the x'es as ipa [x] < 1381945359 430785 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381945386 477693 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Maybe, but I don't think that is quite the way < 1381945391 73050 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :assuming you can pronounce that sound in the first place < 1381945699 251182 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not sure what it is but I will look it up in Wikipedia < 1381945792 821842 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voiceless_velar_fricative < 1381945825 391887 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.154 QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1381945832 302199 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes that is the one I found < 1381945975 422282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't really like the IPA symbols; the consonants and vowels are arranged in a grid and I would use combined symbol corresponding to what row and column of the grid they would belong in, and voice/unvoice variant, etc < 1381946076 953197 :muskrat!musk@dyn2-212-50-133-190.psoas.suomi.net QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381946093 910219 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1381946128 342679 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1381946148 765799 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: that may result in interesting compound characters, like labialized-pharyngealized-spirant labiodental syllabic plosive with no audible release. < 1381946185 104094 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also known as the “PFSHSHSHHHTHTHT” sound.) < 1381946191 132231 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.154 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381946201 408712 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, allowing compounds like that too < 1381946500 520490 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yay i managed to recover my stackoverflow user < 1381946724 455008 :NihilistDandy!~ND@132.198.157.154 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381946908 609372 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :The hell just happened to Steam? I was trying to put in some activation codes, and it was one copy and paste behind if that makes sense. Like it pasted the last code I entered before this instead. Which was bloody weeks ago. Then on the next attempt it pasted one I actually copied. And when I put in yet another code (I was adding the latest humble bundle, so there were a few to add in) it kept being one < 1381946908 794361 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : behind. < 1381946986 82415 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was super strange < 1381946999 934551 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.112 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381947088 901479 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :seeing and IP in an X.0.0.0/8, for small values of X, always disturb me. I was thinking that Taneb came from the Ministry of Defence or something. < 1381947201 193455 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw one from 5.0.0.0/8 the other day. < 1381947226 433268 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, that's also where Taneb was from. < 1381947237 251989 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes sense, they gave it to RIPE. < 1381947289 814937 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :APNIC's 1.0.0.0/8 is even more impressive. < 1381947316 352327 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1.2.3.0/24 is reserved by the "APNIC Debogon Project". < 1381947332 226205 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And I think 1.1.1.0/24 too. < 1381947340 336734 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381947659 756629 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, like 8.8.8.8? < 1381947776 260357 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1381947919 819492 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: that one ain't scary, it's a lucky IP. < 1381947972 963631 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, oh? It is just googles public DNS server < 1381947998 757508 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. they solved transient problems many times here. < 1381948017 224780 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I used it when the local unbound daemon fucked up once < 1381948026 201889 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I run my own recursive resolver < 1381948037 202420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think Google's DNS servers does DNSSEC does it? < 1381948040 973428 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It didn't last I looked < 1381948065 772081 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe we can make some METAFONT program for the new kind of pronounce symbols and see what compounds are made with it? < 1381948088 863633 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :has anybody outside of knuth created metafont fonts? < 1381948109 501671 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not use xelatex and plain old TTFs? < 1381948122 810714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: Yes, I have done < 1381948134 607714 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I prefer METAFONT, I think it is better than TTF < 1381948144 586711 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, on what grounds? < 1381948158 647118 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTF is significantly more popular, surely there must be some reason for that < 1381948174 199894 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTF is more popular because Windows uses it. < 1381948223 594809 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 does have a point < 1381948231 35418 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :And Mac OS X. And anything based on Qt, GTK or any other modern X11 toolkit < 1381948246 688963 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :But why is METAFONT better than TTF? < 1381948276 997888 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm ignorant as to their technical merits, so maybe you can summarize them? < 1381948326 43819 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: according to the wikipédia, google's DNS has DNSSEC. < 1381948347 864085 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, METAFONT programs can include any parameters you want to, as well as kern/ligatures, and compiling for the print device (it can include decisions as to how to make it print on that device), and you can type the program to write the font in any text editor, or even interactively < 1381948361 189260 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily, ah, it says "Since May 6 2013". Pretty sure last time I looked was maybe a year ago or so < 1381948375 961288 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :when I'm feeling particularly masochistic, I sometimes try to understand how fonts in LaTeX work. never achieved that goal so far. < 1381948420 778832 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :TTFs can be compiled into .TFM and .GF too though, like METAFONT can, and so can other formats perhaps. < 1381948444 974373 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : The descrpition given why "idso" Deadfish isn't acceptable in dc, fails to mention that it is because "s" requires to put another letter afterward. <-- well i suppose they only need one reason why it breaks, although you can add that if you want to. < 1381948447 110413 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1381948475 271463 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, And TTF doesn't support arbitrary parameters? < 1381948477 888865 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have created a font in METAFONT for chess variants, and a TeX macro package to use them (including parsing algebraic chess notation) < 1381948517 198992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I don't think so; I think TTF has a fixed set of parameters and you cannot use them for whatever purpose you want to either. < 1381948547 922218 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, Also, how does LaTeX know how to make use of all those extra parameters in METAFONT? < 1381948556 641261 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Without manually telling it to that is < 1381948601 680787 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The parameters are compiled externally and then the resulting font is given a name. < 1381948674 268298 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, that seems like a downside compared to TTF. With TTF I don't have to manually generate the font in 22pt bold italic for 600dpi. I seem to remember having to do such stuff for pre-XeLaTeX < 1381948705 414219 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Well, actually it usually automatically generates the fonts if needed, if the parameter file exists, which they usually do. < 1381948738 224698 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Even if it doesn't exist, you can set the font magnification in TeX, so you don't need a parameter file for individual magnifications of a font. < 1381948755 952782 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, If I generate a PDF I want the font to be resizable to whatever the viewer has available. It could be for printing, or displaying on a low res PC monitor. Or a high res tablet screen (my Nexus 10 tablet has 300 dpi for example) < 1381948788 840159 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :DVI does that doo; the rendered fonts aren't stored in the DVI, they are separate so that they can be rendered for the printer in use. < 1381948805 942920 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(This also results in smaller file sizes since you don't need to store a copy of the font with each document) < 1381948811 663908 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, So the document isn't self-contained? It needs the fonts to be distributed alongside it? < 1381948829 93088 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Seems impractical < 1381948887 523282 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, although the Computer Modern fonts are generally available anyways in such case. I don't find it so impractical; I think not being self-contained like this is in fact better (although you can distribute the fonts in a .ZIP if you want to; there are also .DVI extensions to support embedded fonts but I prefer non-embedded fonts) < 1381948994 670103 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38, I generally prefer PDF because I know it will look exactly the same everywhere, and everyone can open it. < 1381949002 28238 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :METAFONT also makes the fonts much easier to modify. < 1381949008 204922 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1381949014 891156 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Yes, and I find that to be exactly the problem; not everyone has the same model of printer! < 1381949017 19654 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Never felt the need of it < 1381949039 301955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Causing it to look worse on some printers. < 1381949053 673811 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Really? You mean colour matching or such? < 1381949063 293420 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Isn't that up to ICC profiles? < 1381949086 331924 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :No, I mean DPI, aspect ratio, ink thickness, and a few other related things. < 1381949090 16904 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since I don't embed bitmap fonts in the PDFs, surely it will scale properly < 1381949111 406462 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, it will scale better than bitmap fonts do, at least < 1381949125 55657 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Anyway, paper aspect ratio varies yes, but isn't that fixed in the DVI? < 1381949126 150959 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :That doesn't necessarily mean it will scale properly, though. < 1381949132 448308 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is either US Letter or A4 < 1381949140 669751 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I mean pixel aspect ratio < 1381949144 629505 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah okay < 1381949303 979312 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also, METAFONT and Plain TeX and DVI and whatever will continue to work in the same way fifty years from now, but the Lua-pdf-e-XeLaTeX probably won't work anymore because they will replace it with something else which is a bit similar but really different. < 1381949364 980584 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Doubt it, PDF is a standard nowdays. There is even an archival format of PDF < 1381949375 9431 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PDF/A < 1381949501 704736 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh, font linking mentioned right there < 1381949511 287388 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe PDF/A might work, but not necessarily quite the same way, and source files may not work either (some old C source files already fail to work). And then you need LaTeX packages and stuff, resulting in even more confusion. But I think METAFONT, Plain TeX, and DVI will continue to work in fifty years without any difficulties. < 1381949531 64010 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, yes PDF supports it, but it is deprecated nowdays iirc < 1381949856 109789 :lexande!arapp@terpsichore.ugcs.caltech.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does the iceweasel say? < 1381949869 760454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :honk < 1381949871 884739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :lexande, with regards to what? < 1381950040 339777 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does anyone use JPEG 2000? < 1381950261 241663 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381950605 908340 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1381950880 24876 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: Movie theatres, AIUI. < 1381950901 212057 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: "Typical" digital movie distribution formats have each frame encoded as a JPEG2k image. < 1381950906 288868 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or so I've heard from somewhere, anyway. < 1381950989 764402 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Digital Cinema Initiatives (DCI), a joint venture of the six major studios, published the first version (V1.0) of a system specification for digital cinema in July 2005. -- Briefly, the specification calls for picture encoding using the ISO/IEC 15444-1 "JPEG2000" (.j2c) standard and use of the CIE XYZ color space at 12 bits per component encoded with a 2.6 gamma applied at projection. Two ... < 1381950995 763209 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... levels of resolution for both content and projectors are supported: 2K (2048×1080) or 2.2 MP at 24 or 48 frames per second, and 4K (4096×2160) or 8.85 MP at 24 frames per second." < 1381950999 825282 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There you go. < 1381951164 371927 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381951237 126241 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :wowwww, CIE is old < 1381951271 936914 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the oldest, in fact < 1381951351 638214 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :International Commission on Illumination (CIE) < 1381951428 749790 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the XYZ colorspace, i mean < 1381951430 161787 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :1931! < 1381951451 147269 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh wow, that's a year < 1381951453 591772 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love django. < 1381951465 355885 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote I love django. < 1381951472 279112 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1120) I love django. < 1381951476 390985 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :how many quotes about django is that now < 1381951497 746856 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :one that doesn't have me in it! \o/ < 1381951498 104303 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                 | < 1381951498 458663 :myndzi!myndzi@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fedf:3d4e PRIVMSG #esoteric :69                                /| < 1381951507 284933 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ooh, an aligned body for once. < 1381951516 349938 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :are we all speaking about the same django? I was refering to the Python framework here. < 1381951532 166471 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1381951596 965033 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i was thinking a django was a type of dog < 1381951600 772334 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :but i guess that's a dingo < 1381951602 868817 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, ah < 1381951643 425987 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric : Ooh, an aligned body for once. <-- quite < 1381951660 933902 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :django is a type of reinhardt < 1381951672 797577 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :I thought it was a movie as well? < 1381951692 827739 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Last few years iirc < 1381951699 313849 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I recall someone telling me CIE 1931's frequency response curves are... not very good, physiologically speaking, according to more accurate, post-1931 measurements. < 1381951700 603038 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1381951721 507683 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i know nothing about colorspaces :( which is probably bad since i'm interested in perception psychology < 1381951748 711664 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: of course their curves aren't good. the world was in black and white back then! < 1381951751 986035 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, What about the Lab colorspace? < 1381951752 131465 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: you can increase the alignment by changing to a 6-character nick < 1381951752 891099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: There's also CIE 1960, CIE 1964 and CIE 1976; they keep doing it over. < 1381951766 6624 :stuntaneous!~stuntaneo@2001:1af8:4700:a000:10:: JOIN :#esoteric < 1381951815 863541 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: That's CIE 1976, I think. It does perceptual uniformity better, but it's still just a nonlinear compression over CIE XYZ, which means it has the same underlying curves, AFAIK. < 1381951830 501046 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah < 1381951847 982573 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, so what is a good colour space then? That covers the entire vision I mean < 1381951854 989089 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: I think the most common illuminant used in Lab is D65, which was added in '67. < 1381951869 395699 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, I guess none of the RGB ones are very good? < 1381951888 728601 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man. i don't think i even understand what a color space is. < 1381951893 771599 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: The one where you store actual spectrum vectors, presumably. < 1381951914 30113 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :My monitors at work can do 10-bit Adobe RGB btw. Not sure if my GPU there supports that though. Wide gamut can be interesting. < 1381951925 350575 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, that exists? < 1381951990 996375 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: I guess that's a matter of definition. It doesn't exist in any sort of colorspace you could get a regular computer to use, but certainly astronomers and the like use spectroscopes of all kinds. < 1381952020 849452 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if i hook a spectroscope to my computer to play Half Life 2 HDR < 1381952060 133124 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike, what about? < 1381952062 6391 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what the inverse of a spectroscope (a projector that can reproduce a desired spectrum) is called. < 1381952070 437317 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Vorpal: what? < 1381952080 318506 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Ping timeout: 264 seconds < 1381952159 369145 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In fact, I'm not sure if those really exist. < 1381952195 514190 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :it seems like it would be hard to make < 1381952225 823530 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :google is no help on that subject :( < 1381952235 850948 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think you start with a full-spectrum light source, split it up with something prismatic, put a variable-intensity filter (any old LCD) and then put the frequencies back again. < 1381952239 858643 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some lenses may be involved. < 1381952242 288080 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1381952249 936238 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spectrometer ? < 1381952260 904924 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: That's the wrong direction. < 1381952275 865836 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :a backwards spectrometer, olsner. < 1381952294 617886 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :> reverse "spectrometer" < 1381952295 562343 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "retemortceps" < 1381952301 588828 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sounds serious. < 1381952312 391075 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think some genera of spiders have those < 1381952325 88259 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Invariably fatal, I'm sure. < 1381952338 710751 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :indeed, and it's hard for the spiders' families < 1381952368 203228 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also I suppose the retemortceps has less obvious uses than a spectrometer. < 1381952454 963227 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381952472 112199 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :did "(a projector that can reproduce a desired spectrum)" refer to the thing you were looking for, or the spectroscope? < 1381952488 579493 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Google is indeed no real help, though "Relativistic Positron Creation Using Ultra-Intense Short Pulse Lasers" is a pretty impressive title. < 1381952488 766865 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the thing being looked for < 1381952509 517232 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :will keep in mind when i need positrons < 1381952517 917193 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, I was looking at that page and thinking "yeah, this is the inverse of a projector that can reproduce a spectrum" < 1381952521 849356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can never have too many positrons. < 1381952530 92880 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://babele.tesionline.it/babele/testo.jsp?id=58169 ← some... article, maybe? something about ypocsortceps. < 1381952563 406279 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe such a thing would be useful for visual system physiology studies < 1381952584 304832 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: haha what the hell < 1381952606 773508 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I don't know. I really don't know. < 1381952624 94806 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a test of a "grab a webpage and reverse it" thing... < 1381952643 400634 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. There's "Agile Spectrum Imaging: Programmable Wavelength Modulation for Cameras and Projectors". < 1381952658 102217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems to have some wavelength masking abilities. < 1381952659 45574 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: what is the positronic yield of a reverse spectroscopic arachnoid? < 1381952659 223451 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: that way, exactly... i'd have said quebecois myself, but that looks less like sql :p) < 1381952684 733825 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: si t'insistes sur le québécois, ça te dérangerais-tu d'explique de quossé qui se passe? < 1381952684 941731 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: i'm usually writing code to get at the procedure's fnord < 1381952693 990260 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :dirty < 1381952701 586323 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Search for the Quintessential Fnord. < 1381952770 192206 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/OYfa I guess that's at least somewhat close. < 1381952777 913186 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also: rainbow plane.) < 1381952807 774572 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of the best mario kart levels tbh < 1381952841 644879 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://proceedings.spiedigitallibrary.org/proceeding.aspx?articleid=1262930 <-- oh, there we go. < 1381952901 44630 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :To get back to the initial comment, apparently "hyperspectral image projector" is the term I was looking for. < 1381952936 345822 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1381952944 517098 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's pretty wizard lookin'. < 1381952977 115690 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :1024x768 pixels and 2-5nm spectral resolution for the 450-2400nm range, that sounds pretty impressive. < 1381953000 164891 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also: "supercontinuum".) < 1381953120 271132 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Article doesn't mention anything about playing Half Life on it. < 1381953151 878765 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit < 1381953181 755067 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/113389132/Misc/20131016-hyperspectral-projector.png oh, it's that simple? < 1381953256 613157 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm reasonably happy that my guess about how you'd go around making one was actually pretty accurate, except for substituting a micromirror thing in place of a LCD filter. < 1381953316 107854 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :simply integrating sphere the eigenspectra into abundance images < 1381953345 568099 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, yes, they also made a 2D image out of it without using W*H copies of the entire device. < 1381953348 558677 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Somehow. < 1381953368 317723 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :With the Spatial Engine. But the Spectral Engine looks right. < 1381953450 297799 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, isn't the W*H issue solved by the phrase "within the integration time"? Basically they don't do it all at once? < 1381953454 70533 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Or did I miss something < 1381953469 6073 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That image didn't make a lot of sense to me though < 1381953517 164915 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's slightly more complicated than just passing a variable-spectrum beam over the pixels. < 1381953527 941128 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Possibly < 1381953546 713324 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :That is one hell of a complicated prism setup though < 1381953616 443152 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"When the spectral engine is coupled to the spatial engine to make the full HIP, the spectrally-programmed light globally illuminates the 1024x768 pixels of the spatial engine DMD. Gray scale at this DMD enables realistic 2-dimensional images to be displayed, as in conventional projectors. The difference here is that the time-integrated spectra projected from each spatial engine DMD pixel can ... < 1381953634 90824 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... be individually controlled, using a compressive projection algorithm described previously, enabling projection of realistic spatial/spectral image cubes into sensors under test [2]." < 1381953651 652738 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381953659 874813 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie, how? < 1381953671 946975 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know if I want to go and see what [2] is. < 1381953680 19820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's a bit of a summary here. < 1381953686 863566 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1381953690 715835 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay? < 1381953693 144107 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :But it goes into component eigenspectra and abundance images pretty soon. < 1381953703 462458 :Vorpal!~Vorpal@unaffiliated/vorpal PRIVMSG #esoteric :What do those words even mean? < 1381953775 493903 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :As far as I can tell, it's pretty much just that it generates K (optimally selected) spectra and K corresponding greyscale images, giving that way individual per-pixel weights for each K spectra. < 1381953810 877200 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So if you'd have just pixels with two spectra in the image, you'd get those two (at different times) out of the spectral engine, and a black-and-white picture (and its inverse) in the spatial engine. < 1381953834 202028 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :And that's done fast enough so that it falls in the "integration time of the sensor", so that it just sees the weighted sums. < 1381953860 939175 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which would probably work just fine for a human eye too. < 1381953887 989651 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though if it's your eye, this part sounds potentially uncomfortable: "A sensor under test is focussed at infinity with its optical axis co-aligned with the HIP output collimator --" < 1381954036 137006 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381954038 928726 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381954047 557600 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also apparently that's how DLP projectors do color images these days too, there's a rapidly cycling RGB filter in front of the light source and then for each color the mirror is set to have that color component of the image, so that they blend together. < 1381954051 591313 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :So this is pretty much the same thing, except instead of fixed R,G,B primaries, it can generate an arbitrary amount of optimal spectra to reproduce the original. < 1381954161 180338 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(I still haven't figured out what a "supercontinuum-based spectral engine" is.) < 1381954179 988851 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(So far it doesn't seem to be related to the CH.) < 1381954326 17886 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think that's the oldest way to do color with DLP < 1381954362 300863 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, okay, you can also do three chips at the same time. < 1381954394 110908 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Now that you mention it, I do remember I knew this already. < 1381954402 661638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, that's how the more expensive ones work now < 1381954421 729655 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :you can also use a rapidly changing LED or laser light source, which is like the color wheel but faster so less distracting < 1381954427 391175 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I kind of like the rainbow artifacts myself :) < 1381954440 728452 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"In optics, a supercontinuum is formed when a collection of nonlinear processes act together upon a pump beam in order to cause severe spectral broadening of the original pump beam." < 1381954496 134168 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Apparently it's just a way to get a flat and wide spectrum out. < 1381954531 606954 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"severe spectral broadening" reminds me of "severe tire damage" < 1381954540 862534 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1381954544 468170 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The number of mirrors corresponds to the resolution of the projected image (often half as many mirrors as the advertised resolution due to wobulation)." < 1381954549 407607 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :sure, of course, the wobulation < 1381954552 245573 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's appropriate, since both end up with a flat. < 1381954567 437608 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :~duck wobulation < 1381954567 729564 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Wobulation is a term which refers to the known variation (or wobble) in a characteristic. < 1381954572 421276 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :... < 1381954580 85171 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Stop wobulating. < 1381954580 400734 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: until well into it in pure python? i've written a few scripts for the darcs repository < 1381954593 182012 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the fungot. how in fungot is that a real word? < 1381954593 444787 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: tommo it depends on? ( re ' i have never heard of < 1381954600 669007 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: me neither. < 1381954600 949230 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: my point was that if you listen to _me_? going to be interesting < 1381954609 875007 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: go ahead. < 1381954610 94000 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :boily: no ei kovin :dd mit vittua :dd then i might be fnord. < 1381954630 438487 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :dd, finnish, and fnords. no way I'm going to follow that procedure. < 1381954632 614676 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: I'll wash your mouth with soap if you keep using that sort of language, young bot! < 1381954632 823152 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: shivers wrote the srfi... < 1381954670 885589 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The middle part is pretty much "what the fuck". < 1381954796 678080 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :strangely, we don't have any standardized wtf. only «[RANDOM EXPLETIVE] c'est quoi ça?». < 1381954822 569273 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1381954903 620748 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Source: < 1381954909 536966 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[redacted]> suddenly [redacted] and fiz were there too and [redacted] drow to the garden with a car. he said to me "[translating from Finnish: what the FUCK are you doing here so early?]" (usually it's just "[translating: what the FUCK are you doing here?") and i said with a slightly ironic tone "there's suitable company for you here, nutcases escaped from a lunatic asylum." he was like "yeah ... < 1381954915 585414 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :... i know about that". < 1381954920 729806 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[redacted]> he tried to communicate something to fiz with lip movements so that i wouldn't understand but i did. < 1381954924 92212 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :<[redacted]> then one of the lunatics stabbed him and in a way they also stabbed me, it was like we were united. fiz and [redacted] tried to escape with a car (not [redacted]'s car but another one) and leave me there but i got into the car. don't know why [redacted] was left behind. < 1381954986 864591 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In retrospect, I should've given some pseudo-identifiers to all those [redacted]s. < 1381954998 420448 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :did redacted have a dream with you and redacted in it < 1381955012 875137 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :censorship titillates me. < 1381955015 129269 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think that was the case. < 1381955089 185662 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, me and redacted and redacted too. < 1381955115 500753 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would probably write that as "<▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒> suddenly ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒ and fiz were there too and ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒" < 1381955117 116030 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ooooh... Nordic Redacted Ménage à Trois! sexy. < 1381955120 840932 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because ♥ box drawing characters < 1381955186 457738 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"░▒▓████▓▒░ and ░▒▓████▓▒░" < 1381955322 991680 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▗▘▀▖ ▌ ▗ ▖▖ ▌▖▖▄ ▖▖▝ ▄ ▗▖ < 1381955323 174340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▚ ▝▖ ▛▖▌▌▞▖ ▞▌▛ ▄▌▙▌▐ ▌▌▚▌ ▘▀ ▀ ▝ ▘▘ ▝▘▘ ▀▘▀▘▝ ▘▘▄▘ < 1381955326 228747 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FDSAFSDF < 1381955332 976471 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It is the irssi line combining thing. < 1381955359 210038 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▜▘ ▗▖▖▖▗▖▌ ▄ ▟▖ ▟▖▌ ▝ ▗▖ < 1381955359 394170 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▐ ▘▖▌▌▌ ▙▘ ▄▌▐ ▐ ▛▖▐ ▘▖ < 1381955359 394335 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :▀▘ ▀ ▝▘▝▘▘▘ ▀▘ ▘ ▘▘▘▝ ▀ < 1381955380 727101 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :/exec -o toilet indeed < 1381955405 953279 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That was "rfk86ize.pl". < 1381955424 985260 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1381955427 452022 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I made that 4x6 pixel font for rfk86, it sort of goes well with the 2x2 blockery. < 1381955470 382953 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :There’s a setting for the line combining thing. < 1381955494 752116 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :lombininging < 1381955501 771264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Maybe I should disable it completely, because I don't remember the last time it was actually useful. (Though the paste detection does usually work.) < 1381955511 63165 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it do the line combining thing anyway...... < 1381955527 367896 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: It's for pasting from the backscroll, I believe. < 1381955561 579237 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Otherwise line-wrapped comments turn out real ugly. < 1381955566 532000 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :If i, say, copy certain two lines from my buffer to the clipboard, i’ll get: < 1381955568 496833 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :ke233142 fizzie ion: Maybe I should disable it completely, because I don't < 1381955570 485907 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric : remember the last time it was actually useful. (Though the < 1381955577 631390 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :The functionality is a kluge for detecting that. < 1381955585 341218 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1381955592 45164 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Makes ense. < 1381955595 169248 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Make sense. < 1381955597 61214 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1381955606 957754 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :uffering from s hortage < 1381955615 548167 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Fun fact: Unicode blockifying script located with a find . -iname '*.pl' -print0 | xargs -0 grep '▚' since I didn't remember where I put it.) < 1381955636 286494 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :find -iname '*.pl' -exec grep '▚' '{}' '+' < 1381955642 105193 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :But then you have to figure out how to type ▚ < 1381955657 736244 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I had gucharmap already open for ░▒▓█. < 1381955662 367911 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :grep '▚' **/*.pl < 1381955684 154601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Too fancy by far. < 1381955704 614018 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ion: Will that run multiple grep processes if there are too many files to fit on one command line? < 1381955745 537644 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: haha < 1381955759 887260 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Nope. It will also just skip directories it can’t read. < 1381955782 783628 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It doesn't even seem to work. Is it a non-bash thing? < 1381955797 499573 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes. < 1381955803 629980 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Probably a zsh thing in ion's case. < 1381955808 107606 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. < 1381955818 379619 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :3╻ ╻╻ < 1381955819 833455 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :┣━┫┃ < 1381955821 871545 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :╹ ╹╹ < 1381955823 812256 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :aw < 1381955829 533700 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(ion seems like the sort of person who'd use zsh.) < 1381955830 812768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that didn't work as well as I hoped it would < 1381955832 112241 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm relieved other people fail as much as I do. < 1381955883 414928 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Excluding shachaf. He never fails. < 1381955902 925867 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :He fails at failing, though. < 1381955920 739939 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty bad < 1381955923 67944 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or maybe good < 1381955929 803353 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cmccann shachaf < 1381955929 948447 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmccann says: < cmccann> shachaf: nobody will associate with someone who breaks the monoid laws! < shachaf> cmccann: That's why I go by a secret identity. < 1381955939 902989 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cmccann shachaf < 1381955940 48262 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmccann says: < cmccann> shachaf: nobody will associate with someone who breaks the monoid laws! < shachaf> cmccann: That's why I go by a secret identity. < 1381955942 845319 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cmccann shachaf < 1381955942 990566 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmccann says: < cmccann> shachaf: nobody will associate with someone who breaks the monoid laws! < shachaf> cmccann: That's why I go by a secret identity. < 1381955944 231811 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hmm. < 1381955950 381515 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :@quote cmccann shachaf < 1381955950 526855 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :cmccann says: some people blame themselves, some people blame the language, but the people who really know what they're doing blame shachaf. < 1381955964 824946 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are those the only two cmccann shachaf quotes? < 1381955989 303280 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :mwah ah ah! useless xmodmapping! I now can directly input ░▒▓█! < 1381955992 13298 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :It seems like most of cmccann's time is spent coming up with things to say about me. < 1381956004 322369 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :╮╷┯ < 1381956004 467561 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :┝┥│ < 1381956004 467731 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :┘╵┷ < 1381956025 359061 :boily!~boily@mtl.savoirfairelinux.net QUIT :Quit: chicken of the sea < 1381956028 93304 :metasepia!~metasepia@2607:fad8:4:6:f2de:f1ff:fe6c:6765 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1381956058 25631 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :shiny < 1381956102 581572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know how you're supposed to connect the diagonal box drawings to anything else, though. < 1381956156 71182 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :me either < 1381956237 213803 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1381956258 430388 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You can do something like http://sprunge.us/SYCW I guess but that's it. < 1381956272 598785 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Also it renders clunky here.) < 1381956342 863303 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :It renders somewhat well-ish here. < 1381956367 372139 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :the Xes suck < 1381956442 753732 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://heh.fi/tmp/fizzie-x.png < 1381956462 740913 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's up with your font rendering thingies? < 1381956478 744773 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://i.imgur.com/NxHHzeN.png < 1381956490 950983 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess the bottom part is a bit ugly for me < 1381956510 944370 :ion!ion@heh.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :and/or fonts < 1381957138 701241 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381957139 910031 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381957153 608339 :callforjudgement!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 NICK :ais523 < 1381957261 279573 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: uh? looks perfect < 1381957542 655688 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: here's a zoomed-in not-very-pretty screenshot: http://i.imgur.com/EGMcaXx.png < 1381957573 418506 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :something's weird with the bottom, but it's not as if it's very noticeable < 1381957605 343622 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :don't get your problem < 1381957867 940213 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@199.185.88.147 QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1381958173 477111 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://radar.oreilly.com/2013/10/announcing-biocoder.html i can't stop laughing < 1381958444 146708 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I get what ion got. < 1381958468 501316 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'll have what fizzie's having < 1381958486 750122 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :myname: The bottom is supposed to be a solid line without those per-each-character-cell discontinuities. < 1381959108 259715 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:fce6:53b2:70ce:8bca QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381959211 257044 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :@tell zzo38 gcc 4.7.2 doesn't warn me about "if ((x == 4) && (y = 0))" being always false, even with -Wall -Wextra -O3 < 1381959211 442085 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric :Consider it noted. < 1381959256 45719 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab's lint warns about assignment in conditionals, which is... nice considering, i guess < 1381959332 745168 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:fce6:53b2:70ce:8bca JOIN :#esoteric < 1381959584 793283 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :does it always? < 1381959643 271199 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"-Wtype-limits: Warn if a comparison is always true or always false due to the limited range of the data type, but do not warn for constant expressions. For example, warn if an unsigned variable is compared against zero with ‘<’ or ‘>=’. This warning is also enabled by -Wextra." < 1381959681 267502 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was under the impression that there was also a "warn for constant expressions" warning with some extra heuristics to not warn for e.g. while (1), but apparently not. < 1381959713 39016 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like that a majority (?) of do...while loops in C are do { ... } while (0); < 1381959718 551790 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :great language feature < 1381959758 928075 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking of which, why do C macros use do { ... } while (0) instead of just a plain block { ... } ? < 1381959775 689637 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Because of semicolon problems. < 1381959788 202530 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Consider if (x) MACRO(); else bar; < 1381959800 327280 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: Would expand to if (x) { ... }; else bar; which is a syntax error. < 1381959800 472443 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1381959856 391686 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1381959915 976962 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There is also the if (1) { ... } else variant which works correctly in the absence of any errors, but quietly does bad things if someone accidentally drops the semicolon after the macro. (Because the next statement will then end up in the else branch.) < 1381959931 216668 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yikes < 1381959959 42766 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :I like the if/else variant < 1381959979 471190 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :wouldn't ever use it though < 1381959982 244979 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: *Can* you assign in a conditional, in MATLAB? < 1381959993 889930 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think so < 1381959999 831037 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: http://sprunge.us/QBWB < 1381960012 703727 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though possibly there are more subtle ways. < 1381960026 475463 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what about "if (x = 1)" < 1381960031 13687 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :No go. < 1381960036 204044 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Identical results.) < 1381960040 312300 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that error doesn't look like "no assignments in a conditional", i mean < 1381960054 301916 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, you know, MATLAB and errors. < 1381960058 849798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :mmh. < 1381960070 245226 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Well, you know, MATLAB and anything" < 1381960078 718229 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was just under the impression that assignment was a statement and not an expression in MATLAB. < 1381960105 542299 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"x = 1 + (y = 2)" is equally "not a valid target for an assignment". < 1381960113 875602 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :in octave i get "warning: suggest parenthesis around assignment used as truth value" and the display happens. < 1381960125 396794 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Octave's more modern. < 1381960129 165951 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:fce6:53b2:70ce:8bca QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381960140 971932 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :...in that it allows assignment in conditional? < 1381960146 366786 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are some subscripting things you can also do in Octave that need an assignment to a temporary in MATLAB. < 1381960156 792522 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:fce6:53b2:70ce:8bca JOIN :#esoteric < 1381960203 748820 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Compare e.g. http://sprunge.us/dKEQ < 1381960215 238363 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Arguably Octave's behaving better there. < 1381960246 283141 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There was some way of writing the subscripting in MATLAB "inline" too, but it wasn't nice. < 1381960313 436592 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :man, i don't even want to think about first class functions in the damn language < 1381960327 238858 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :They're p. bad too. < 1381960456 848119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, right, of course: subsref(f(4),struct('type','()','subs',{{1}})) < 1381960463 333435 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :That's the equivalent of Octave f(4)(1). < 1381960470 946850 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :the lab codebase apparently won't work in octave, just stays where it is for an hour and running. so ugh < 1381960490 691739 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :and that's after finding out that octave mkdir is incompatible and fixing it. < 1381960493 179603 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("subsref" being the underlying function called for x(y) syntax.) < 1381960745 875324 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258] < 1381960781 319808 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Another funny MATLAB/Octave difference: http://sprunge.us/KHNS < 1381960785 702931 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :See, logspace(a, b), which is normally from 10^a to 10^b, is instead from 10^a to plain b if b equals pi. In MATLAB, it tests "b == pi || b == single(pi)", while Octave *attempts* to get by with "b == pi" because in Octave the == is automatically single-precision if either side is -- but if b is of type double but with the value equal to single(pi)... < 1381960808 656636 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the christ < 1381960814 690595 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ditto < 1381960835 950648 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's also only the 'b' parameter, not the 'a' that has the 'is pi' special case, of course. < 1381960838 718356 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.133.20 QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1381960856 12317 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :why does it even have that pi behavior < 1381960892 772731 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's "useful for digital signal processing where frequencies over this interval go around the unit circle" < 1381960900 790292 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1381960901 368643 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1381960906 437802 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nonetheless, what the christ < 1381960918 941097 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Someone somewhere back in the misty days of history extensively used that "feature", and now they're stuck with it. < 1381960967 355703 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Personally I'd guesstimate that at least 90% of all my logspaces have been logspace(log10(x), log10(y)) because I want logarithmically spaced points from x to y, not 10^x to 10^y. < 1381960999 684017 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: btw, "foo = ones(x,y); [bar, baz] = find(foo == 1);" is as dumb as it looks right < 1381961033 412001 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :matlab: not even once < 1381961057 331737 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I've never even seen that construction. It seems... very MATLAB. < 1381961064 274874 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. yes indeed < 1381961073 47728 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :(hm, Rust has a feature called "once functions", I wonder if we should also have "not even once functions") < 1381961078 499454 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i should probably start a git branch for cleaning up shit like that for microoptimization < 1381961091 743768 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(also the other reasons to fix it) < 1381961146 826714 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :for those at home, that makes bar = a list of x indices and baz = a list of y indices, into foo, in about the least efficient way i can think of < 1381961166 907182 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: like "gets()"? < 1381961218 662463 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so after [foo,bar] = find(ones(2,2) == 1);, foo is [1,2,1,2] and bar is [1,1,2,2]. < 1381961225 741745 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Fiora: ? < 1381961230 509798 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh heh < 1381961242 699431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes, that would be a good "not even once" function :D < 1381961247 791841 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :by the way, functions are aware of how many "out arguments" they have been provided with < 1381961255 804891 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i could go on for years and i've been doing this for two months. < 1381961264 480951 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: sorry, bad joke without context XD < 1381961280 708810 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"provided with" rather < 1381961299 852649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: I think my "intuitive" MATLAB phrasing of that would've been [bar, baz] = ndgrid(1:x, 1:y); bar = reshape(bar, [], 1); baz = reshape(baz, [], 1); if for some reason I'd've needed them as vectors. < 1381961303 879638 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm sure many would argue for [bar, baz] = ind2sub([x y], 1:x*y) instead. < 1381961336 250061 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i'm reasonably sure all cases of this involve really stupid iterations over a matrix of the right size anyway, so i'll have to think of a better rewrite < 1381961344 485481 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have a gut feeling that all ind2sub-y solutions are sort of "officially preferred". You see them a lot in Mathworks-provided examples. < 1381961389 882058 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :like the actual code is... < 1381961452 303266 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TnKO = ones(NAct, NTn); [iTest, jTest] = find(TnKO == 1); for iii = 1:length(jTest) ... stuff involving TnKO(:, iii) .... < 1381961525 465946 :EgoBot!dlopen@libdl.so QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1381961555 606340 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess TnKO is modified there somewhere? Because otherwise I guess all TnKO(:, iii)'s are the same. < 1381961570 459149 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it's assignments to zero, it's setting up TnKO. < 1381961572 655635 :EgoBot!dlopen@64.62.173.65 JOIN :#esoteric < 1381961583 766119 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Really, though. MATLAB.) < 1381961590 919651 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yup :/ < 1381961612 119264 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The premier software package for technical computing. < 1381961633 804537 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also: bsxfun. < 1381961639 116747 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1381961642 249309 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, man, let me check out this snippet to see if it does what i think it does. < 1381961645 794310 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I've got some lines that have triply nested bsxfuns. < 1381961695 983048 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :SciPy has "auto-broadcasting"; if you do something with a NxM matrix and either a Nx1 or 1xM one where it'd make sense, it repeats the other automatically. < 1381961720 472497 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah ok there's got to be a better way for this bit. < 1381961743 458378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :In MATLAB, you'd either repmat() the vector, or write it with bsxfun() instead, which generally has better performance but then all operators get replaced with cryptic names. < 1381961759 597283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: Nite < 1381961779 216543 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :A/repmat(...) vs bsxfun(@mrdivide, A, ...). < 1381961799 160470 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :("Matrix right divide".) < 1381961816 310933 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :TnKO = rand(...), [iTest, jTest] = find(TnKO <= TnFraction); TnKO = zeros(...), and then it does a for loop to set the ones that were less than the fraction to one. < 1381961864 630374 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Uh. < 1381961887 822049 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :TnKO = rand(...) <= TnFraction; ? < 1381961888 84218 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :ah. yes. it's TnKO <= TnFraction isn't it. < 1381961890 171844 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :great. < 1381961895 347322 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's just fantastic. < 1381961932 642515 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe i should compile this stuff for the daily wtf. or have they set a policy against lab code by now < 1381961933 778309 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :You'll end up with a type-'logical' matrix out of that, instead of a type-'double' one, which theoretically could hit some corner case. :p < 1381961986 948188 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i bet a logical matrix takes up less memory? < 1381961999 178243 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://sprunge.us/IidL yes. < 1381962016 623572 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :One eighth of a 'double', assuming no sparsity. < 1381962076 394798 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh i haven't even gotten into the loop that does sparse(complicated constant matrix) every loop < 1381962194 291659 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The for i = ...; a(x(i),y(i)) = K; end antipattern is, I think, somewhere in the official docs as an example that can pretty much always be replaced with a(...) = K; kind of a thing. (Sometimes involving some sub2ind.) < 1381962221 251621 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :a(sub2ind(size(a), x, y)) = K; I think. < 1381962222 187143 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's sub2ind again < 1381962238 128649 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Takes subscripts and returns "linear indices". < 1381962257 646823 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :meaning, like... what. < 1381962261 321673 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :row major index? < 1381962280 903861 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :The indexing you get if you access a 2-or-more-dimensional matrix with a single subscript. < 1381962290 112125 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't remember which way it goes. < 1381962296 670078 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :right, right. < 1381962309 144359 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(It's possibly a better idea to use sub2ind/ind2sub to convert, anyway.) < 1381962322 887492 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Probably it goes the same way as reshaping and everything else.) < 1381962541 190496 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's some way of writing that sub2ind thing that involves two subscripts, but worse in terms of performance, and I can't think of it right now. (You can't just use two vectors as subscripts directly.) < 1381962582 1129 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I sure hope all this MATLAB knowledge will be useful some day. < 1381962624 397576 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :do you use it for your job or somethin < 1381962836 10451 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :is matlab big in natural language stuff research? < 1381962893 220698 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: MATLAB? < 1381962893 397783 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: eval ( log 2)? how would i know that one. < 1381962965 937143 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot just ain't got a good head for numbers < 1381962966 135677 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: i don't think i have the wrong fnord loaded, so, it might < 1381963016 825771 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: If you can call it a job. < 1381963101 261217 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner: It's big in the field of all kinds of audio things, including speech. For more NLP-y stuff, probably not so much. < 1381963126 110223 :Nisstyre-laptop!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1381963162 872778 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :academia? < 1381963171 877383 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Right. < 1381963184 826795 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's a job, just a shitty one, as far as i can tell < 1381963213 874394 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It has most of the trappings of a job, that's for sure. < 1381963225 617781 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :except the money < 1381963252 634321 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :There's money, just less of it. < 1381963276 803278 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you considered taking a part time job coaching the football team < 1381963292 936256 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't think we have one. < 1381963313 475618 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sports and universities don't really mix around here. < 1381963330 171006 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :o_O < 1381963333 484672 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what a country. < 1381963348 600857 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in america universities are mostly an excuse to have football, and football is mostly an excuse to drink and have riots < 1381963370 349967 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen like four different professors with that map of the highest paid official by state, it's hilarious < 1381963372 127409 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :but I think the second half holds in Europe too, different meaning of "football" notwithstanding < 1381963375 122132 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha < 1381963377 187004 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :(spoiler they're mostly college football coaches) < 1381963388 151424 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey some of them are college basketball coaches! < 1381963391 561974 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :one or two hockey coaches < 1381963409 637880 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey does anyone here know anything about moderate-to-high-end cameras? < 1381963425 66749 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, I guess the students have all kinds of sports-related organizations (they have clubs for all kinds of hobbies) but they're really very vaguely connected to the university itself. < 1381963442 261552 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe when i'm a starving grad student i'll try to strike and establish an anarcho-syndicalist university. < 1381963460 546594 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also many of the clubs *are* an excuse to drink, no matter what their subject matter. < 1381963462 644569 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://deadspin.com/infographic-is-your-states-highest-paid-employee-a-co-489635228 ah, here's the map. "You may have heard that the highest-paid employee in each state is usually the football coach at the largest state school. This is actually a gross mischaracterization: Sometimes it is the basketball coach." < 1381963473 928438 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, public policy writer < 1381963500 383496 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :what < 1381963554 237898 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :huh none of them are hockey actually < 1381963567 360475 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Update, June 18: We've fixed one mistake in the map, which was pointed out to us by our friends at Harper's Magazine. The highest-paid state employee in New Hampshire is now the UNH president. It's no longer the hockey coach, as we'd originally indicated" < 1381963568 547568 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1381963574 334638 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :heh < 1381963695 673456 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm kind of curious about nevada. "med school plastic surgeon"? like, some professor that teaches how to do plastic surgery? < 1381963966 593872 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe it's a school that has an actual hospital like as part of the school? < 1381963969 369595 :Fiora!~Fiora@ec2-50-17-93-47.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's a surgeon who works there < 1381963992 578398 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i suppose that's plausible, given the hospital a block away from me < 1381964333 390443 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh, here's his CV. < 1381964366 369757 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :"transparentnevada.com" lists his total pay and benefits at about 1.2 mil. < 1381964460 895863 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :current positions , "Professor and Chief, Division of Plastic Surgery", "Director, Microsurgery and Hyperbaric Research Laboratory", bla bla, president of a few things, af ew professorships, and chairman of the surgery department. < 1381964490 416112 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh jesus this CV is thirty pages long < 1381964602 286955 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :next in the list of highest paid is an associate professor, which is kind of awesome. then the clark county fire chief, which makes sense since nevada < 1381964671 920690 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :hey Bike http://nation.time.com/2013/10/16/washington-state-approves-new-rules-for-marijuana-industry/ < 1381964686 176543 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :"The rules also aim to weed out large-scale marijuana sellers by limiting the number of licenses that anyone can hold to three." < 1381964695 813656 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :haha weed. < 1381964698 516096 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :lol that's like the law for alcohol in massachusetts < 1381964705 376431 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :which I think was passed by the distributors' cartel < 1381964718 285346 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :HOW MYSTERIOUS < 1381964722 945478 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :so: large-scale sellers bad, large-scale distributors fine? < 1381964840 807661 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what's the difference exactly < 1381964888 922950 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :in MA it's about the license to operate a retail liquor outlet < 1381964907 572537 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno what the law will be for weed distributors in washington (weedshington?) < 1381964922 351325 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :so a distributor is like... selling it to the sellers, or what, though < 1381964935 495522 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1381964958 155922 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :and they want to deal with a bunch of separate liquor store companies rather than the big grocery chains < 1381964965 698986 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :because the latter could negotiate better terms < 1381964969 477820 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :also did you see http://www.thebohemianblog.com/2013/09/on-smoking-weed-in-north-korea.html ? < 1381964976 616795 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure how much of this to believe tbh, but it's a pretty good story < 1381964985 475221 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :bullshit, i want weed at walmart < 1381965010 128060 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's some rumor that tobacco companies are already registering trademarks for weed-based products < 1381965030 959578 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :good to know the war on drugs is over then :/ < 1381965057 643374 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :that reminds me of that scene at the beginning of _Layer Cake_ < 1381965059 262065 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :decent movie < 1381965090 139378 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: Did you win or lose? < 1381965102 353682 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :also weed in korea is just going to make me think of https://twitter.com/Vice_Is_Hip/status/389177827524112385 then < 1381965106 698137 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: am i a drug < 1381965136 111620 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I... guess? Endorphins from Biking around, that sort of thing. < 1381965178 145439 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's deep < 1381965649 586461 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: this article isg reat < 1381967187 765201 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick QUIT :Remote host closed the connection