00:00:11 wow sprint will buy back my old phone for a whole FIVE DOLLARS! 00:01:18 -!- Uguubee111118 has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 00:02:02 kmc is now a rich man 00:02:48 Don't spent it all at once 00:04:28 -!- olsner has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 00:08:13 -!- yorick has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:08:35 they should offer a sandwich instead 00:11:30 what do they even plan to do with the phone 00:12:05 sell it to someone for twenty of the earth dollars 00:12:16 probably send it off to the third world to be melted down by children for trace rare metals 00:13:04 -!- Uguubee111118 has joined. 00:13:09 -!- Chef has joined. 00:15:40 Mail that sandwich to a landfill urchin in manila 00:15:43 -!- olsner has joined. 00:16:04 -!- mnoqy has joined. 00:17:10 -!- Chef has quit (Quit: Rooms • iPhone IRC Client • http://www.roomsapp.mobi). 00:20:13 -!- ^v has joined. 00:25:24 -!- Sgeo has joined. 00:29:35 woo youtube now has a useless navigation bar pinned to the top of the window 00:30:03 why did google hire a bunch of total incompetents to redesign all their UIs? 00:30:06 -!- Bike has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 00:31:09 hm did anyone make a navigation bar blocker yet 00:31:31 idk if it even deserves to be called that 00:31:51 it's two small icons at the top-left and top-right corners, the rest of the bar is just blank 00:32:15 oerjan inadvertently begins the navigation bar arms race 00:32:48 you need to actually click those icons to bring up the menus, because at some point google decided putting tools one click away was unacceptably simple 00:33:57 -!- Bike has joined. 00:34:19 Maybe you'd appreciate it more if you upgraded to a smaller screen 00:39:13 "It stays on top and works well with Excel." 00:39:17 (about a desktop calculator) 00:39:27 http://www.sheepfriends.com/index-page=kelly.html 00:41:34 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 00:42:05 Is klisp considered a good implementation? 00:51:14 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds). 00:52:04 -!- muskrat_ has joined. 00:52:20 -!- muskrat_ has quit (Client Quit). 00:53:50 -!- muskrat has left ("Leaving"). 00:55:52 Jafet: yay! 01:07:15 oerjan: I never claimed it was a Thue-Morse. 01:12:37 > let f 01:12:38 :1:7: 01:12:38 parse error (possibly incorrect indentation or mismatched ... 01:12:39 -!- muskrat has joined. 01:12:39 oops 01:13:16 > let f '0' = "01"; f '1' = "10" in fix $ (f =<<) . ('0':) 01:13:17 "01011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001... 01:19:26 what does fix() do ? 01:20:07 @src fix 01:20:07 fix f = let x = f x in x 01:22:17 hm 10|01 -> 1001|... 01:22:57 > let f '0' = "01"; f '1' = "10" in drop 2 . fix $ (1':) . tail . (f =<<) 01:22:58 :1:53: parse error on input `:' 01:23:07 > let f '0' = "01"; f '1' = "10" in drop 2 . fix $ ('1':) . tail . (f =<<) 01:23:08 "01011001101001011010011001011001101001100101101001011001101001011010011001... 01:23:59 ion: it's actually the inversed TM sequence minus the first two digits :) 01:24:36 *inverted 01:28:30 the Moose-Thor sequence 01:37:44 -!- muskrat_ has joined. 01:39:19 oerjan: heh 01:40:30 -!- muskrat has quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds). 01:41:24 https://medium.com/the-physics-arxiv-blog/d5d3dc850933 01:43:06 hey shachaf can we use ~wavelet trees~ to support efficient codepoint-based indexing into UTF-8 strings 01:45:31 :-D:-D:-D http://www.sateilykontrolli.fi/suojakotelot/dect-wlan-box.html http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=fi&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sateilykontrolli.fi%2Fsuojakotelot%2Fdect-wlan-box.html&act=url 01:52:14 Should I attempt to write $syntax-rule for Kernel? 01:55:22 -!- ^v has quit (Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds). 01:57:46 -!- mnoqy has quit (Quit: hello). 02:01:36 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 02:08:26 -!- muskrat_ has changed nick to muskrat. 02:11:15 -!- oerjan has quit (Quit: leaving). 02:31:29 "SO IT CAN'T USE #F AS AN OUT-OF-BAND OBJECT" 02:31:31 _good_ 02:31:34 * Sgeo glares 02:32:46 Although I do agree with the blogger that assoc could have a better choice of indicating failure 02:32:49 ...deja vu 02:46:54 kmc: I do prefer your order of arguments to eval (env first) over Kernel's, I think 02:56:20 -!- yours_truly has quit (Quit: Leaving). 02:57:07 -!- nisstyre has joined. 03:34:52 -!- nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 03:48:10 -!- nisstyre has joined. 03:50:33 -!- Sprocklem has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 04:37:33 -!- muskrat has quit (Quit: Leaving). 04:54:39 I think I discovered a violation of Kernel philosophy in Kernel 04:55:32 oh no 04:55:40 How does the evaluator work? It does one thing on pairs, another thing on symbols... and every other type is self-evaluating? 04:55:59 kmc: hmm, what do you mean 04:56:08 what part of the philosophy does that violate 04:56:25 So, that implies there's no user-accessible way to make a type that evaluates to something other than itself 04:56:57 keeping the string in memory as-is and making an additional structure for indexing it, or representing it differently, or what 04:57:25 G1b 04:57:41 "Programmer-deﬁned facilities should be able to duplicate all the capabilities and properties of built-in facilities." 04:57:42 heh, that's kind of what my implementation is about doing, nto that i give a fuck about 'philosophy'. 04:57:53 Sgeo: well you can write your own evaluator. 04:59:12 I don't know if that really qualifies as fixing the problem 04:59:31 Unless custom evaluators can take the place of the native one easily? Even then, seems a bit iffy 04:59:59 well, i mean, what's the "built-in facility" here. 05:00:27 if i understand what you're saying correctly you could say that it should be possible to make types that have something else for a 'car'. 05:01:25 hm 05:10:16 I don't think there's a facility for defining equal? on encapsulated types either 05:14:15 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 05:23:53 Maybe '(a b c) should be a synonym for (list a b c) 05:24:02 Although that would certainly confuse most Lisp programmers 05:24:44 That sort of thing is probably addressed in a rationale somewhere 05:26:24 i thin they sort of are equal 05:27:17 So apply-continuation passes control to the continuation normally, and the applicative formed by continuation->applicative passes control to its continuation abnormally, iiuc. That seems like it's likely to confuse 05:27:40 what 05:28:38 Bike: '(a b c) is (list 'a 'b 'c) 05:29:41 Oh, wait, quoted lists are probably specified to be immutable. 05:29:48 elliott: oh. right. sgeo what the heck. 05:30:05 Hmm, I think I read extend-continuation and thought it was apply-continuation 05:30:08 Not sure yet 05:30:23 kernel's continuations are weird as hell imo 05:31:04 My only question is if delimited continuations can be built on top of them sanely (i.e. not in the leaky "add a mutable cell" way) 05:31:11 Bike: he was making a suggestion, I think 05:31:29 yes 05:31:32 (re ') 05:31:48 elliott: yes but it's a weird one. 05:32:30 guard-continuation would become less verbose, and there would be less temptation to make it an operative $guard-continuation 05:39:40 I also want to know if something similar to CL-style restarts can be achieved 05:40:08 with continuations? 05:40:21 because, like, obviously yes. 05:40:46 There are possibilities for limitations to get introduced 05:41:14 In Racket, you can't just resume from a (raise blah) unless the code before it co-operates to provide a continuation 05:41:49 Could make a raise-resumable ofc, but that does nothing to resume at an exception thrown by code not supportive of this facility 05:42:36 well you don't need anything continuationy for restarts anyway. just lexical escapes. 05:45:00 Without continuations, think you also need dynamically-scoped variables via some mechanism? 05:45:50 they don't need to be variables, just some dynamic access 05:45:55 you could use globals if you hate life 05:47:50 -!- asie has joined. 05:47:57 Ok, so apply-continuation does in fact pass it abnormally 05:58:35 decapsulate is such a fun word 06:03:35 -!- nisstyre has quit (Quit: Leaving). 06:08:38 "Since before I started klisp, the main hole of the Kernel Report I wanted to address is the fact that there is no way to customize read/write/eval/eq?/equal?, neither for new objects types (encapsulations) nor for primitive types. I always leaned to generic functions/multi-methods as a catch all solution, but as the Report mentions, this is just one possible solution. " 06:09:43 it's kind of great how crazy you can make a pretty printer. 06:16:34 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has joined. 06:29:59 -!- FreeFull has quit. 06:37:03 -!- augur has quit (Remote host closed the connection). 06:51:47 -!- carado has joined. 06:52:20 -!- Nisstyre-laptop has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:00:01 -!- sebbu has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 07:17:34 it's a piece of cake to make a pretty printer 07:17:53 shachaf: uh i dunno it was only half an idea 07:18:31 I guess the simple idea is you would just store the bitvector of "is byte n the start of a character" as a succinct set whatever 07:19:50 then you can get the nth character or count the characters up to a byte position 07:20:00 but that's not a wavelet tree just the flat thing 07:29:08 -!- augur has joined. 07:29:22 -!- mnoqy has joined. 07:32:33 so that lets you store UTF-8 and index it quickly by codepoint with only 12.5% + o(n) overhead 07:32:45 (space overhead) 07:32:51 what I don't know is whether such strings can also be quickly appended, sliced, etc 07:36:52 -!- asie has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. 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This work is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution 3.0 Unported License. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/3.0/ " 16:39:37 ais523: that probably actually accomplishes what they intend, because it's too ambiguous to release it into the PD but states the exact license to use? 16:39:43 elliott: yeah 16:39:46 Well, I have a 99 Bottles of Beer 8-bit song. How would I convert it to a Stackbeat program? 16:40:12 at least, I think any court would find that if attribution were given, it would be acceptable to use it 16:40:25 I remember the court case which tested the Artistic License 16:40:31 which is really muddled in the way it was written 16:40:49 the court case found that the license at least clearly showed a desire for attribution, and thus not giving attribution was illegal 16:40:58 (which was enough to decide that particular case) 16:41:29 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 265 seconds). 16:41:44 JWinslow23: i guess first you convert the audio to 8kHz 8-bit mono PCM 16:41:52 And how to do that? 16:41:56 it's interesting that the Artistic License has been confirmed to work in court, but not the GPL 16:42:12 you can look probably that up 16:43:06 afterwards it's a matter of writing a stackbeat program that plays that exact audio file, which would be something like 16:45:38 even more interestingly, due to a quirk of jurisdiction, it ended up being handled by a patents court rather than a copyright court 16:45:46 because a patent had been mentioned earlier on 16:45:46 $0 _0^!A*| _1^!B*| _2^!C*| 16:46:08 where A, B, C... are the bytes from your audio file 16:46:41 (note: this program is going to be huge) 16:47:15 doing a 99bob program without using a loop to iterate over the individual bottles is cheating 16:47:19 doing it with a for/switch is probably also cheating 16:47:44 Well, how to extract bytes from the audio file? 16:47:52 That is all I'm confused about. 16:48:08 hex editor 16:48:26 or even a hex dumper 16:48:31 on Linux, use od -t x1 filename 16:48:43 to get them in hex 16:48:48 (change the x to d for decimal) 16:48:56 actually just write a script that reads the file prints "_{time}^!{sample}*|" a bunch of times to generate your code 16:49:24 yeah, that'd be better than doing it by hand 16:49:28 I'll use a hex dumper 16:50:12 OK, I got the hex code. From what point should I start? 16:50:52 -!- shikhin has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer). 16:51:00 Also, I'm on Windows 7. 16:53:38 What would the script be? 16:54:06 you need a programming language to write it in 16:54:17 you could do it in brainfuck, actually 16:54:29 although the conversion to decimal would be a pain 16:55:08 a verse of "99 bottles" takes about 8 seconds to sing. so that's (8000 * 8 bits/sec) * (8 seconds) * 99 = 6.043 MB (for 13.2 minutes of audio) 16:55:27 also, bleh, this paper is old enough to a say "associate" rather than "associative" 16:55:40 you could come up with some sort of compression scheme to make it smaller 16:55:57 I don't know how. 16:56:29 Also, nooodl, it's 9 seconds. 16:57:23 hmm, this entire conversation sounds like "I want to write a program but I don't know how to program" 16:57:45 Stackbeat is confusing, ais 16:57:47 523! 16:57:54 well you wouldn't use stackbeat to write the conversion scripe 16:57:55 *script 16:58:02 just like programs to generate C don't have to be written in C 16:58:05 Of course. 16:58:05 -!- asie has joined. 16:58:10 (although they usually are, as it happens) 16:58:19 -!- muskrat has left ("Leaving"). 16:58:39 I don't know stackbeat, but you could probably make the program shorter by using some sort of array 16:58:43 if that exists in the language 16:58:48 is it a "real" language or an esolang? 16:58:48 http://esolangs.org/wiki/StackBeat 16:58:53 Esolang. 16:58:57 The link is above. 16:59:50 why does that thing not have loops? 16:59:56 I know, right? 17:00:04 apart from the implicit one 17:00:17 We only need to make the melody once. 17:00:29 * FireFly made a thing a long time ago with only a single implicit loop 17:00:46 you could compress it by doing something like, 17:01:17 if t mod (length of a verse) = (index of first "bottles of beer" sample), output (first "bottles of beer" sample) 17:01:23 -!- nycs has joined. 17:01:38 hmm, it doesn't say the size of the stack elements 17:01:47 I know, right? 17:01:50 if they're bignum, you could just push the entire song as one big number 17:01:52 Confusing. 17:02:05 then shift by an amount depending on the timestamp, and do modulo to get at the byte you want 17:02:23 "This top value is reduced to just one byte and sent to audio output." 17:02:25 possibly don't even need the mod 17:03:13 I guess it's using floats to store the individual stack elements 17:03:15 Once again, I do not understand this. 17:03:16 due to being written in JS 17:03:17 mmmm 6MB bignums 17:03:38 If only the thing had the same notation as that MIDI notation. 17:04:19 JWinslow23: imagine a really long number in binary: [... dddddddd cccccccc bbbbbbbb aaaaaaaa] where aaaaaaaa are the 8 bits of the first sample, bbbbbbbb are the 8 bits of the second one, etc. 17:04:59 Go on. 17:05:17 you just push that number and bitshift it right by (8 * time). for example if time == 2, it'll become [... ffffffff eeeeeeee dddddddd cccccccc] because you shift the 16 least significant bits away 17:05:47 then the number gets reduced to a single byte by taking the lowest 8 bits which are cccccccc 17:06:08 And the value of cccccccc gets popped? 17:06:58 yeah. i think after each computation, stackbeat just pops the top value off the stack and outputs that, discarding anything else on it 17:07:05 you can't fit a 6MB number into a float, though, so the JS interps wouldn't work 17:07:27 Darn. I only HAVE the JS interp. 17:08:06 -!- Phantom_Hoover has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds). 17:08:58 stackbeat looks really awesome 17:09:36 so in stackbeat it'd be: (really long number) #8*> 17:09:50 nooodl: should be an underscore in there 17:09:55 it's about 34.8 million digits in decimal 17:09:56 I think your client changed it to an underline, though 17:10:10 ais523: the time is pushed first isn't it? i have # (swap) in there 17:10:17 nooodl: there are no underscores in what you sent 17:10:21 oh, I see 17:10:23 "the stack is initialized with the timestamp value on the top" 17:10:28 you're using the initial value 17:10:40 and relying on the fact that the number, though really really big, is just one element 17:10:55 hmm… with bignum and some sort of loop, stackbeat would be TC 17:11:27 needs to be a stackbeat variant that takes audio input too 17:11:50 and then you can program audio filters in it!! 17:12:21 svn: Server sent unexpected return value (405 Not Allowed) in response to OPTIONS request for 'http://esoteric.voxelperfect.net/svn/esofiles' 17:12:24 2013-10-24 06:30:06 URL:http://esolangs.org/dump/esolang.xml.gz [30756757/30756757] -> "esolang.xml.gz" [1] 17:12:33 If you want to tamper with my 99 bottles file, here it is on Mediafire. http://www.mediafire.com/?uaulzh1509394pz 17:12:44 my svn mirror is down 17:12:47 apparentely 17:12:51 because something is not allowed :) 17:13:13 You try to download it? 17:13:21 svn up 17:13:51 -!- conehead has quit (Quit: Computer has gone to sleep.). 17:14:17 the 42 melody doesn't work here :( 17:15:12 actually, crowd is the only one that works here 17:15:17 i am disappoint 17:19:48 work ware? 17:19:59 *where 17:20:13 i am using that bookmarklet 17:20:20 it works fine with crowd 17:20:32 but does not produce any sound at all from the other examples 17:21:16 -!- carado has quit (Ping timeout: 246 seconds). 17:21:17 It works fine on mine. Did you select and/or copy-paste the text correctly? 17:21:53 well, tripple click 17:22:15 What do you mean? 17:23:14 you know a double click? it's basically 3/2 of that :p 17:24:22 is 3/2 of "a double click" "aa ddoouubblle click"? 17:24:22 it's supposed to mark a whole paragraph 17:25:19 I think it's "aa ddouublle cllicck" 17:26:25 but that's completely arbitrary! 17:27:21 -!- ^v has joined. 17:27:54 Koen_: it's half a tripleclick 17:28:16 olsner: funny, Ithought it was a full tripleclick 17:29:38 Koen_: because it is 17:29:47 copying and pasting doesn't work either :( 17:31:08 Koen_: oh, maybe it is 17:31:21 olsner: I believe you meant "half a sexclick" 17:31:37 I read 3/2 clicks, sorry 17:32:05 is that a full click plus a half-pressure-on-the-button click? 17:33:42 -!- shikhin has joined. 17:34:17 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 272 seconds). 17:34:25 maybe you need a float pointing device to do it 17:37:57 -!- FreeFull has joined. 17:45:28 So, how's the 99 Bottles comin' along? 17:49:05 hey, anyone here know how to type a ć using the altgr or the compose key in Linux/Gnome/Ubuntu? 17:49:16 oh bleh 17:49:23 altgr-; c gives ć now 17:49:26 like it should 17:49:29 it wasn't working before I asked 17:49:54 was giving ç 17:49:59 maybe I just made some sort of incredible typo 17:51:07 -!- shikhin_ has joined. 17:51:19 btw, #esoteric: thanks for telling me what "substructural" meant 17:51:26 it's really helping me construct searches for relevant papers 17:53:26 -!- shikhin has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:53:38 JWinslow23: If you want people to "tamper" with it, shouldn't you share the source rather than the binary? 17:54:11 Source? 17:54:26 The StackBeat source. Or was this something else? 17:55:05 -!- JWinslow23 has quit (Quit: Page closed). 17:55:31 -!- JWinslow23 has joined. 17:55:38 Sorry for accidentally signing out. 17:55:43 It was the .wav file. 17:56:13 Oh, I thought it was a recording of some StackBeat code. 17:56:34 the problem is basically "write a program to produce this output" 17:56:45 anyone confident enough in mariolang to tell me if the ! is really needed on elevators? 17:56:46 where the output is a recording of someone singing, and thus does not compress particularly well 17:56:59 ais523: It wasn't someone singing, though. 17:57:01 or at least, not if it has to be expanded by a language with no loops 17:57:03 fizzie: ah, right 17:57:05 what was it then? 17:57:23 ais523: Boops and bleeps, basically. In fact, something I think could be compressed to a StackBeat program of reasonable size. 17:57:28 -!- impomatic has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds). 17:57:31 (Not a small one, by any means, but still.) 17:57:45 (At least if you approximate.) 17:58:41 Been a while since someone mentioned MarioLANG. 17:58:48 I actually made a Hello World program. 17:58:56 Still looking for an interpreter. 17:59:04 there is none? 17:59:12 -!- mnoqy has joined. 17:59:14 oh 17:59:23 maybe i'll write one 17:59:34 i do find elevators underspecified, though 18:00:40 i.e.: do you have to make mario stand still? if not, does he move one per turn (i.e. will it work if the elevator is flat enough) 18:00:57 is it teleportation or does it respect the symbols on the way up? 18:01:25 how far do jumps go up? 18:02:02 -!- asie has quit (Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...). 18:03:12 Elevators follow the symbols on the way up. 18:03:34 that is what i would assume, too 18:03:54 Jumps go up 1 space, and if a space to make Mario move isn't there, an infinite loop occurs. 18:04:18 So a > over a ^ would make him jump right. 18:04:29 An upside-down U shape throughout the jump. 18:05:18 And elevators are skipped over if Mario keeps moving. 18:05:44 `run ls bin/de* 18:05:45 It acts like a jump. 18:05:46 what if an elevator arrives on top but there is no moving symbol? 18:05:47 bin/define \ bin/delquote \ bin/delvs 18:05:54 `run ls bin/un* 18:05:56 bin/undo \ bin/unh \ bin/unicode \ bin/unidecode \ bin/units 18:06:01 Infinite stay. 18:06:08 that suchs 18:06:14 `unidecode ⋂ 18:06:17 [U+22C2 N-ARY INTERSECTION] 18:06:18 `unh hth 18:06:19 Can't open hth: No such file or directory. 18:06:22 Yeah, so put a moving symbol there, coders! 18:06:26 `unidecode ć 18:06:28 `unh [U+0107 LATIN SMALL LETTER C WITH ACUTE] 18:06:29 Can't open `unidecode hth 18:06:54 [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T] [U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] 18:06:59 "Boring." 18:07:34 If an elevator can go down AND up, it will only go up. 18:07:41 `unicode U+0068 LATIN SMALL LETTER H] [U+0074 LATIN SMALL LETTER T 18:07:43 Unknown character. 18:07:45 boring 18:07:51 Mario does not destroy objects as he encounters them. 18:07:58 Unicode Consortium, go fix your standard to allow for unidecode injections 18:07:59 ais523: You can give that multiples with run. 18:08:11 fizzie: nope, I'm trying to find a single character with that name 18:08:19 so as to make unidecode's output ambiguous unless you look very closely 18:08:28 `run unicode 'LATIN SMALL LETTER H' 'LATIN SMALL LETTER T' 18:08:30 Oh. 18:08:30 ht 18:08:32 This ===|=== will make the wall act as a floor. 18:09:08 Somehow I don't think there will be any Unicode characters with "U+XXXX" and/or ][s in the name. 18:09:15 fizzie: yeah :( 18:09:23 I assumed that's what the square brackets were for 18:09:27 preventing injection attacks 18:09:54 JWinslow23: what if i have stacked " over one #, will it move to the highest? 18:10:21 Well, kind of. The U+XXXX bit was added later than the brackets, so it needed something to visually separate characters. 18:10:32 myname: #̈. 18:10:46 myname, I believe it should go to the lowest. 18:11:02 how disappointing 18:11:23 -!- Taneb has joined. 18:11:44 i have to rewrite like half of my code 18:12:11 Sorry about that. Can you give an estimate as to when you will release it? 18:12:31 -!- pp has joined. 18:12:55 -!- pp has changed nick to Guest54948. 18:13:14 `relcome Guest54948 18:13:17 Guest54948: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) 18:14:07 `Bienvenue Guest54948 18:14:09 /home/hackbot/hackbot.hg/multibot_cmds/lib/limits: line 5: exec: Bienvenue: not found 18:14:31 JWinslow23: i am not writing an interpreter yet 18:14:35 `? bienvenue 18:14:37 Bienvenue au centre international pour le design et le déploiement des langages de programmation ésotériques! Pour plus d’informations, visitez le wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (Pour l’autre type d'ésotérisme, essayez #esoteric sur irc.dal.net.) 18:14:53 Oh, I just assumed. 18:15:04 You said "I have to rewrite like half of my code". 18:15:08 I though you started. 18:15:16 -!- Guest54948 has left. 18:15:26 Do you have an estimate, though? 18:15:41 no 18:16:23 -!- S1 has joined. 18:18:09 -!- shikhin_ has changed nick to shikhin. 18:19:55 Take your time. Post the source when you're done! 18:20:10 you don't even know what i am doing :D 18:22:17 `? myname 18:22:19 myname? ¯\(°_o)/¯ 18:22:40 Help I'm 1st year maths course rep and I can't remember if I told you guys already or not 18:22:46 `learn myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? 18:22:51 I knew that. 18:23:03 Taneb: you didn't. 18:23:11 `? boily 18:23:13 boily is the brother of Roujo's brother and he's monetizing the company Roujo works at, or something Canadian like that. He's also a NaniDispenser, and a Man Eating Chicken. 18:23:16 Taneb: news to me 18:24:16 what does a maths course rep do? 18:24:23 I'm not actually sure 18:24:31 TA? 18:24:33 I think I'm to represent first-years doing maths 18:24:41 it might've helped knowing that before accepting the position 18:24:52 boily: I don't think the TA has much to do with it 18:25:03 I presume they're too busy waiting to shoot things 18:25:21 ...??? just what kind of job does a rep do? 18:25:49 Tell the staff that the course is being taught poorly 18:25:54 a rep repeats instructions 18:26:23 What is it with official websites for musicians and stupid web design? Like flash-navigation or putting everything in a tiny little box in the middle of the page (which looks utterly ridiculous on a 24" monitor!) It is common enough to not just be a coincidence 18:27:09 Taneb: oh, I got the job description the wrong way round. makes much more sense now. 18:27:15 Vorpal: same thing with restaurants. 18:27:29 -!- Sprocklem has joined. 18:27:43 `? myname 18:27:45 myname is not your name. You don't know what they are doing. Or you are doing. Or am I? 18:27:48 boily, hm true. Though some restaurants opt for the "early web" feel instead. 18:28:32 Vorpal: the only kind of website I have seen that persists in the Way of the Early Web are those from FLGSes. 18:28:44 `? Vorpal 18:28:45 Vorpal is really boring. Seriously, you have no idea. 18:29:05 boily, what is a FLGS? 18:29:14 case in point: http://levalet.com/ http://www.imaginaire.com/indexv2.jsp?langue=fr 18:29:21 Vorpal: a Friendly Local Game Store. 18:29:34 boily, ah 18:29:49 So, if anyone can make a MarioLANG interpreter, post it in the esoteric file archive, or on the MarioLANG page. 18:29:52 I'm out! 18:29:55 -!- JWinslow23 has left. 18:31:06 boily, "levalet" sounds familiar. Not sure what I'm thinking of though. 18:31:45 recase in repoint: http://chezgeeks.com/ (halfway decent) and http://www.strategygames.ca/ 18:31:52 Ah, no I'm thinking of La Valette from Witcher 2 18:32:12 boily, those doesn't look early web with minimal CSS. 18:32:32 That was how I meant with early 18:32:37 oh. real early. 18:32:43 yes 18:32:54 boily, like, maybe the background colour set, but not much else 18:33:06