< 1382832042 466139 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258] < 1382832860 185207 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382833075 317487 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382833106 790411 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, I did dig out that it's an alignment issue, because aligning a (manually positioned) buffer it sticks in memory on an 8-byte boundary fixes the thing. AIUI, they've had quite a lot of those. (But the test fails even when DOUBLE_MODE=1, which should be the default.) < 1382833217 84899 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Due to the ordinary angels in a Dungeons&Dragons game are they don't particularly like it much, and isn't very applicable to Gxxyuxihuvxi religion, I make up new ideas about "celestials of Gxxyuxihuvxi" they are different (still Outsider) creatures, which are difference from others including they have no mouth or hand or feet, but does have shiny bright wings similar to insects wings, various eyes, tentacles, and spikes, and two antennas. They have < 1382833777 588938 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: i am reminded of the cherubs in narbonic here: http://www.webcomicsnation.com/shaenongarrity/narbonic/series.php?view=archive&chapter=10298 < 1382833827 95285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :(best view in the second to last strip) < 1382833894 908759 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382834019 692707 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also the main picture here http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OurAngelsAreDifferent < 1382834100 291845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSA: European Collective Time Travel in 26 Minutes < 1382834121 755858 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Why not 25 minutes? < 1382834140 989048 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :because i didn't notice the time changing just before pressing return. < 1382834233 870923 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am not describing angels. < 1382834248 849573 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382834280 174912 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well no, but i'm saying your description still is close to some stuff i've seen called angels < 1382834334 921913 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the tvtropes page is going on about angels not needing to look human, of course. < 1382834395 337606 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah. OK, so that is how you meant < 1382834567 734428 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i want to say i saw cherubs with eyes before narbonic but i don't remember where < 1382834756 521639 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :well, maimonides said that the ability of zygotes to form organs were cherubim, apparently. < 1382834833 562890 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I really should go ahead and write code that works with er/ir macros but not syntax-case, and code that works with syntax-case but not er/ir macros < 1382834841 356177 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, not translatable easily between them < 1382834863 989906 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :But for the Chicken Scheme code, I need to get emacs working in order for me to stay sane :/ < 1382834869 162862 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo: Yes do that if it can show the difference between them, and possibly if they both have use to do otherwise < 1382834876 284179 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382834884 868687 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :The difference, as I currently understand it: < 1382834889 947238 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what does that even have to do with the merkabah < 1382834894 999079 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :er/ir allows you to only access the 'outermost' context and the macro's own context, and syntax-case lets you access your own context as well as any context of the input form, but you can't say just 'outermost context' < 1382834914 420585 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I also include other things: It cannot live in material plane for more than fifty hours at a time, unless there is a special blessing to do so. Two kind of eye beams are heal beam and confuse beam, and one other magical ability is to borrow some skills and intelligence points of someone they have grappled, for exactly 24 hours (after that it is reset). < 1382834974 457322 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(In anti-magic such effects are unusable but can continue; illuminated wings remain illuminated too. In anti-magic only physical attacks are usable, and from what I can tell there are only two: spikes and tentacles.) < 1382834983 511049 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :what the hell is a context < 1382835021 545267 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :O, I forgot one more magic ability which is "aura of righteousness of holiness" is a continuous ability. < 1382835041 80088 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Speaking about lexical contexts < 1382835054 408937 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although in the case of er/ir macros, they don't physically exist, I think < 1382835057 479862 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Just conceptually < 1382835139 453415 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :uhhuh. < 1382835180 993161 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: ir macros are beautiful, you should learn them < 1382835203 508237 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Although I think they're limited in some ways, but still trying to wrap my mind around how < 1382835208 469214 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :PSA: European Collective Time Travel in 8 Minutes < 1382835211 674942 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: have you learned lenses yet < 1382835219 912991 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1382835224 536395 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i seem to be having an off-by-one error. < 1382835272 4609 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://wiki.call-cc.org/explicit-renaming-macros < 1382835286 497863 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I love ir macros, they're so easy < 1382835287 257709 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :>.> < 1382835301 12726 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Sgeo........................ < 1382835334 395346 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf..................... < 1382835346 63797 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: imo who cares about european time anyway < 1382835347 187723 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the meme is not dead that can eternal lie < 1382835372 159675 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382835393 455789 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi mnoqy < 1382835609 796956 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hello past non-europeans! < 1382835610 959811 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :fungot: Did you feel some sort of a glitch there? < 1382835611 224324 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: 96. 154 minutes past bedtime. bye-bye. if you < 1382835623 304936 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think the time warp may have confused fungot. < 1382835623 761847 :fungot!fis@eos.zem.fi PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: that's about what i thought, but it did break when i used it to show the answer is " no" without any bad connotations but if you have a distaste for writing gross boilerplate code in c < 1382835635 702563 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :help < 1382835637 264215 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: you mean more than usual? < 1382835637 424078 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :what time is it < 1382835649 662072 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it < 1382835653 267950 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :18 < 1382835655 342763 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :my fragile understanding of the hour has been shattered < 1382835655 853917 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :'s 2 AM < 1382835687 269592 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's 1 am now, according to my phone < 1382835693 539211 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :My opinion is that daylight saving time is a bad idea! < 1382835714 22512 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :at least it is a popular opinion. < 1382835718 563403 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's 3 AM. < 1382835735 32720 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh dear we have been scattered all over the time stream < 1382835760 729376 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: having fun on your time-traveling peninsula? < 1382835762 424193 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :at some point there was an attempt to put the uk permanently in summer time, and move actual summer time an hour further forward < 1382835771 937296 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In here where I am, daylight saving time is not changed back yet. < 1382835781 732576 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :as is usual this was actually an insidious plot by the english to repress the scots, and was defeated accordingly < 1382835797 705180 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"dot: graph is too large for cairo-renderer bitmaps. Scaling by 0.027679 to fit" uh < 1382835811 541753 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382835824 138145 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :that happens? < 1382835828 815356 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Also the end result was a 32767x15 file. < 1382835832 176791 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Since nobody will be here in Monday to watch Murdoch on TV, it means, that the VCR is set to record it and won't get mixed up due to daylight saving time, so it will work correctly. (However, even if it is changing, it might still work because this VCR has a setting for daylight saving time in it.) < 1382835837 57555 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :i've seen dot graphs that crash my entire computer. < 1382835858 321601 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Yes, but this was supposed to be like the simplest thing ever. < 1382835886 682944 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :the simplest thing ever: less common than you'd think! < 1382835912 605608 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think they should fix it so that the clock is 12 PM when it is mean noon. < 1382835958 740773 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382835972 827623 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: I think 12AM should mean noon and 0AM should mean midnight < 1382836019 977421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: do you logread!! < 1382836124 30964 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :*.net *.split < 1382836181 587025 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382836323 785 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :dst is scary < 1382836466 241624 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :kills thousands of people every spring < 1382836473 26920 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38 doesn't believe in useable transport time tables. < 1382837000 104881 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :also, the electronic timetables in a train station I went to were showing that the trains which were scheduled at 13:40ish were late and expected to arrive at 02:08ish < 1382837035 313417 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: such considerations matter not before "fixing" things to be "more correct"! < 1382837041 732485 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :not sure if it was a DST-related mistake, if one was 24 hours and the other was 12 hours, or if the machine incorrectly thought they were actually over 12 hours late < 1382837043 942012 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Bike: OKAY < 1382837068 870933 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION recalls he did once miss his train because of forgetting dst had started that day.
< 1382837115 200685 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I tend only to use trains that come frequently enough that I can just pick the next train after I arrive, whenever that is < 1382837162 734324 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :this was long distance, so only three times a day. < 1382837182 399951 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a channel for that < 1382837185 318413 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :well i guess that's not really about distance. < 1382837197 732234 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: is there a pun here. < 1382837209 986581 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1382837214 593816 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :#cslounge-trains < 1382837238 715896 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't "do" puns < 1382837241 530055 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :anymore < 1382837243 614642 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :i'm retired < 1382837281 634389 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :or as erdős would say, died < 1382837375 641666 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382837382 664950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Didn't he retire himself already? < 1382837494 395942 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :fizzie: i think you are reversing the lingo. < 1382837536 740054 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :erdős left, however. < 1382837569 258593 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1382839870 247242 :Oj742!~Oj742@c-71-59-199-75.hsd1.or.comcast.net QUIT :Quit: irc2go < 1382839981 803207 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382839985 943163 :FreeFull!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover QUIT :Read error: Operation timed out < 1382840101 519083 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: Lost terminal < 1382840121 352283 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382842426 737976 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382842446 370995 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1382842485 335218 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1382842485 480551 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382842510 644752 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382842529 448889 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1382842567 67570 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1382842567 212931 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382842764 541592 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu QUIT :Quit: Reconnecting < 1382842778 610566 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382842841 924691 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: https://twitter.com/BiciChic/status/393831136029200384/photo/1 "Just so we're clear, this is why lots of people cycle in the Netherlands. Not because it's flat." < 1382844100 165935 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1382844623 869530 :coppro!raedford@taurine.csclub.uwaterloo.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's pretty sweet < 1382844858 251807 :impomatic!~chatzilla@87.113.67.177 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1382844958 40137 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: Wikipedia has articles for "posetal category" and "thin category" which seem to be about the same thing. < 1382844986 622704 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :imo someone should mark them as duplicates or something. is there a way of doing that....... < 1382845357 826981 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :there's a thing for marking that one should be merged into the other at least < 1382845462 346924 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :"which one though" < 1382845478 852962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :one of them is more general because it's not restricted to small categories < 1382845510 735975 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :mnoqy: do you know about heyting algebras and things < 1382845576 198124 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :shachaf: never heard of it but it looks alright < 1382845601 769962 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it's just like a cartesian closed lattice < 1382845628 869047 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :so of course it's "alright" < 1382845668 326009 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :(imo people should say "all right" instead of "alright" it would be an improvement in the world but a very small one) < 1382845697 183280 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if they said aight instead. what then. < 1382845755 155421 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :look no need to get extreme mnoqy there's a limit to everything < 1382845766 998699 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :well in a complete heytina algebra there is < 1382845788 67119 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :ng < 1382845952 121514 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric ::-) < 1382845957 15691 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm so if you have arbitrary joins and finite meets in a lattice and meets distribute over joins then you can define implication(exponentials) with a -> b = join {c : c meet a <= b} < 1382846056 23607 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :does something like that make sense in other categories < 1382846186 155352 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382846296 244717 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382846524 566885 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1382846565 997250 :augur!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382846566 566854 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com JOIN :#esoteric < 1382847105 17357 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 QUIT :Quit: Ik ga weg < 1382847793 176686 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1382847819 236992 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hello! Why do you like to change the topic with the perfume? < 1382847882 419304 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382847892 931504 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes < 1382847955 764277 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have some electronic device labeled "GTCO Corporation DIGI-PAD (R)". Do you know what this is? < 1382848176 710748 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :nope < 1382848267 378686 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382848365 771730 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://joshreads.com/images/13/10/i131025heathcliff.jpg related < 1382848657 680049 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :good funny < 1382849350 796747 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's bad funny? < 1382849361 50709 :Bike!~Glossina@gannon-wless-gw.resnet.wsu.edu PRIVMSG #esoteric :this < 1382849749 641113 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do you know of any program that converts between UTF, VLQ, and raw formats? < 1382849938 178198 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :(If you convert UTF-8 to UTF-8, you get rid of overlong encodings but will retain surrogates. If you convert UTF-8 to UTF-16 and then UTF-16 to UTF-8, you will convert CESU-8 to proper UTF-8. If you convert UTF-8 to UTF-16 and then treat the result as raw 16-bit data and convert that to UTF-8, then you will get CESU-8.) < 1382850749 172324 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :zzo38: Note that UTF-8 to UTF-16 to UTF-8 only does that *if* you don't validate the UTF-8 parsing. < 1382850777 249164 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :UTF-16 surrogates are not valid Unicode, so UTF-8 with surrogates is a parse error. < 1382850805 670953 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :(though this assumes the UTF-8 parser checks. If not, then that is what happens, yes) < 1382850830 806230 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :pikhq: I am not intending to validate that it is valid Unicode or that it isn't overlong; that would be a separate option. (If it doesn't have to valid Unicode, then UTF-8 can encode up to 36-bit numbers.) < 1382850867 60635 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ah, so more discussing the UTF-8 integer encoding scheme. < 1382850867 913657 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :K. < 1382850877 309556 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Which really needs a better name. :P < 1382850933 701075 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :If it checks for valid Unicode, then treating UTF-16 as raw 16-bit data and converting to UTF-8 would equally fail. < 1382851074 614293 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :And some UTF-8 files do contain UTF-16 surrogates; such thing isn't proper Unicode but some programs might not care (VGMCK (a program I wrote) only reads UTF-8 in order to convert to UTF-16, and doesn't treat surrogates as anything special, so it will read them just fine and not be a parse error). < 1382851111 329657 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :A program which instead decodes UTF-8 to look them up in a font might not work if it contains surrogates, though. < 1382851246 965228 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Do other programs allow you to enter trailing spaces that aren't stripped if you use overlong encodings? < 1382851516 687954 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382851565 428661 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I would expect any that decode UTF-8 in the same way to do so, but do any other programs do that? < 1382851631 317173 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382851853 968182 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1382853032 595638 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Quit: Computer has gone to sleep. < 1382855033 276861 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1382856023 559550 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382856181 642882 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382858965 39203 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382860179 179611 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382860463 857270 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382860899 962668 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382861233 949268 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh god I think the clocks went back last night but I'm not sure if my computer changed automatically or not so I have no idea what time it is < 1382861251 19223 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay, my computer changed automatically < 1382861263 850705 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :There are network time servers too if required < 1382861448 886901 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382861665 922974 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382861815 333875 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382862236 236430 :FreeFull_!~freefull@defocus/sausage-lover NICK :FreeFull < 1382863880 833555 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Are there tsume shogi for Nintendo DS? < 1382864090 316996 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: presumably you knew the current time to be within a particular set of measure zero so that's as good as actually knowing what time it is right < 1382864108 440585 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382864395 322790 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382864427 368490 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc, nah, I googled it < 1382864430 631482 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :I have played a few different tsume shogi for GameBoy, from I'MAX, Imagineer, and Athena. The one from Athena is best, I think. < 1382864585 319308 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :we in the states are still in summertime < 1382864591 578672 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :for one more week < 1382865183 604289 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1382865938 857296 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net QUIT :Quit: hello < 1382866039 394389 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382867088 924329 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382867490 547736 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :In the place I live in Canada, it is also the daylight saving time one more week. I think because they just copied the same rule. < 1382867508 94955 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :Maybe it is in order to do business more easily. < 1382868024 12291 :ais523!~ais523@unaffiliated/ais523 QUIT : < 1382868196 909950 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'toBlob'" -- so lame. < 1382868219 645220 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, it's on the canvas, not the context. < 1382868323 430110 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Uncaught TypeError: Object # has no method 'toBlob'" well that's not any better. < 1382868368 767756 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"Experimental draft" "Implementation status: [empty space]" I guess that's a bit too new. < 1382869088 522835 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382869207 851551 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382869271 362867 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382869350 263950 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382869375 102013 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382869451 854108 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think one of Firefox and Chromium supports that at least < 1382869645 194539 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1382871045 109571 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1382871094 793 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382871925 849824 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382872805 777250 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-109-193-171-052.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de JOIN :#esoteric < 1382873153 767084 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1382873163 321958 :epicmonkey!~epicmonke@188.134.41.116 QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1382873191 420304 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382873842 216655 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1382873920 804268 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382876140 124371 :yorick!~yorick@oftn/member/yorick JOIN :#esoteric < 1382876193 391402 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@HSI-KBW-109-193-171-052.hsi7.kabel-badenwuerttemberg.de QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1382876886 385879 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382877091 444829 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382877322 873528 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382877574 494604 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1382877951 633958 :Uguubee111118!~uguubee@101.166.145.209 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382878779 93602 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hey folks < 1382878785 269730 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :What's the good C compiler for windows < 1382878794 814770 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm gonna try to esolang a bit < 1382879271 521353 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe PRIVMSG #esoteric :visual studio? < 1382879384 836309 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Some dude advised Dev C++, is it wise < 1382880384 867838 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382880452 166953 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 268 seconds < 1382881052 368215 :mroman!~roman2@fmnssun.ibone.ch PRIVMSG #esoteric :C on Windows is not wise by definition < 1382881283 213002 :quintopia!~quintopia@unaffiliated/quintopia PRIVMSG #esoteric :gcc under mingw? < 1382881351 486356 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1382881595 298628 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm following a haskell "tutorial" that seems aimed at "imperative programmers" < 1382881643 584544 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :ten chapters and one calculator implemented, still no sign of monads < 1382881660 286991 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and it's still not clear how you can manage I/O without side effects < 1382882035 957121 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90-rdmsoft [XULRunner 1.9.0.17/2009122204] < 1382882577 997704 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Have you tried Learn You a Haskell? < 1382882724 791750 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382882787 668311 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382882788 398944 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382882805 628455 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382882965 416120 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, also note the standard caveats that monads aren't that huge of a deal, that there are plenty of monads that aren't IO and have nothing to do with 'side effects', that IO would be perfectly doable without monads < 1382883896 445651 :Frooxius!~Frooxius@cust-101.ktknet.cz JOIN :#esoteric < 1382883921 70137 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly: well I almost won that book in a quizz at a scala symposium three days ago, but the girl I was with insisted we played for free, so we didn't get the book :( < 1382883968 763607 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well there's a free online version too :p < 1382883970 350840 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: I'm just trying to grasp the whole "we're purely functional but side-effects are not a problem" thingy < 1382883977 994135 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION should get the printed version though
< 1382884454 146786 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :this tutorial is also kinda weird because it keeps insisting on the "differences" between object-oriented, imperative, and functional, whereas I always think in terms of similarities (patterns), not differences < 1382884593 442107 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382884667 757484 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382884894 402392 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :also I hate that haskell uses indentation as part of the semantics < 1382885100 892768 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it doesn't, but rather have it be sugar for { ... ; ... ; ... } < 1382885109 977419 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I may be wrong; I'm not really a Haskeller < 1382885264 126141 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1382885354 30466 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382885413 396745 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382885546 495311 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no TOPIC #esoteric :The how-to guide to changing the topic with environmentally friendly hypoallergenic lenses | PDF yourself: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2023808/wisdom.pdf | logs: http://codu.org/logs/_esoteric/ or http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/esoteric/ < 1382886088 501069 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : also I hate that haskell uses indentation as part of the semantics <-- that's syntax not semantics. < 1382886103 101718 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes my apology < 1382886129 15283 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :also you can go sit there together with zzo38 and refuse to use it :P < 1382886307 759169 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :refuse to use haskell? or indentation? < 1382886881 965946 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :or the word 'it'? < 1382887087 394884 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, as for the side effects thing, aiui the way it works is that the IO monad represents ad-hoc imperative programs which handle all the stateful stuff < 1382887165 835947 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well as far as I understand "it's okay to have side-effects in the main function, but the other functions are pure" < 1382887199 877847 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :so i'm guessing the IO monad is just a convenient way to pass the information to main < 1382887254 438514 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, this is wrong < 1382887264 255659 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :main isn't even a function; its type is IO () < 1382887329 429421 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i.e. it's (a representation of) an imperative program which at some point will produce a value of type (), and possibly do other things besides < 1382887567 913471 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: as FireFly mentioned, all indentation sensitivity in haskell is sugar for explicit { ; } blocks. < 1382887576 883332 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :similarly getChar :: IO Char produces a value of type Char, and in the process consumes a character from stdin < 1382887693 904814 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: yes, but I'm not sure how I could choose not to use it < 1382887728 234972 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: well you could use { ; } instead when writing programs. of course it won't help with reading other people's programs. < 1382887742 301143 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: well we did use getChar but I really couldn't see how that was any different from getchar in any other language < 1382887778 423269 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan: so for instance I could write "let { x = 4; y = 5 } in x + y"? < 1382887785 315129 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes. < 1382887802 438526 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1382887848 591167 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_, because in other languages the type of getchar is just char, and it's treated as a function with no arguments < 1382887852 280770 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but does that mean if I write "do" and then a newline and then "{", the newline will be syntactic sugar for an outter block? < 1382887885 159030 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1382887894 475600 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: no. the { being the first token after the do is precisely what turns off the usual indentation sensitivity. < 1382887895 400675 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think I'll have to drop the Unlambda ` for limp. < 1382887904 672174 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It works best for mono-letter functions < 1382887917 667307 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :getChar is neither a function nor a character, it's a representation of an imperative program < 1382887932 823333 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know what that means < 1382888017 274783 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :well imagine it as an actual program in some imperative language < 1382888031 463753 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: in haskell, getChar has an IO type, which tells that it can do side effects. things that are not marked with such a type cannot call things that are. < 1382888044 633059 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1382888051 892143 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :oerjan, aaaargh i was trying to avoid that explanation < 1382888064 46536 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: SOOOOOO SOOOOOORRRYYY < 1382888066 604953 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's kinda disappointing but at least I understand < 1382888083 455318 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom__Hoover: it seemed to help? < 1382888111 948475 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no, because he now has the standard misconception that IO is a language-level hack that marks some functions as 'contaminated' with 'statefulness' < 1382888131 949027 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :yes I do < 1382888154 335280 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :kinda like in C some functions on strings give the "constant" type to their argument < 1382888158 175699 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :and others don't < 1382888182 181770 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it isn't; IO is in principle an ordinary algebraic data type, albeit one which is hidden for implementation reasons < 1382888238 818083 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: Phantom__Hoover does have a point that IO values are _not_ functions, they are used differently. < 1382888240 379288 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :then I guess I'll understand once I've read more about monads; and in the mean time I'll use oerjan's explanation < 1382888254 836902 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads won't help you understand IO!!! < 1382888263 410246 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :oh < 1382888305 582972 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :monads are just a structure over a type (which can be something as everyday as lists, or Maybe if you've encountered that) and a couple of functions operating on those structures in certain ways < 1382888335 271623 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i am not convinced Phantom__Hoover's way of explaining this is actually better. < 1382888347 438530 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's not is it < 1382888370 967282 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought haskellwiki had a good explanation of IO but all it has is the State RealWorld malarkey < 1382888374 674137 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1382888432 377545 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was told Maybe is just option < 1382888452 615819 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah < 1382888514 736205 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Koen_: one important point to be aware of is that evaluating an IO action is not the same as running it, and only the latter performs any actual IO. < 1382888527 513860 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :okay < 1382888587 455844 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but getChar cannot be evaluated without being run, right? < 1382888611 718992 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :no < 1382888617 84074 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :er < 1382888619 109986 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :wait, yes! < 1382888620 932470 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :it _can_, although because of haskell's default laziness it is unlikely to happen by accident. < 1382888633 825579 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> getChar `seq` "hello" < 1382888635 211496 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : "hello" < 1382888643 608061 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's just that there's not an awful lot you can do with an IO value except run it < 1382888656 720845 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that technically evaluated getChar, although in a useless way. < 1382888754 411268 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :perhaps more accurately is to say that there is no way to _use_ an IO value without running it. < 1382888781 708885 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :you could also, in theory, have a function of type IO () -> Int that evaluated something stupid about the IO action itself < 1382888786 918134 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :like how long it is or something < 1382888832 314159 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i don't think haskell has any non-IO means of analyzing IO actions. < 1382888860 364363 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :and i don't recall much of IO means either, although who knows what exists out there. < 1382888909 580597 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :yeah, it doesn't actually have any such function because, as i said, it's stupid < 1382888917 302530 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :that Storable / StablePointer stuff from the ffi could probably do something. < 1382888943 673602 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :but, in theory, you could have such a function, and it would be as pure as any other < 1382888973 660209 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :right if IO was implemented as an ADT as you suggested. < 1382889163 202185 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :"sig: -nan inf inf inf -inf -inf -inf inf -inf inf -inf inf -inf inf inf inf" < 1382889167 629174 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :(Best signal?) < 1382889216 499131 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :nani < 1382889359 937965 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :
ACTION wonders if that output is from Lua
< 1382889370 768728 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's not. < 1382889393 241866 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess 'nan' and 'inf' (with that case) is more common than where I've seen it used, then < 1382889411 893867 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :It's from glibc. < 1382889421 217565 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh, I see < 1382889684 711805 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (replicate 16 (0/0),"BATMAN!") < 1382889686 19653 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : ([NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN,NaN],"BATMAN!") < 1382889762 519385 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :>>> [float('inf'), -float('inf'), float('inf')-float('inf')] < 1382889762 665316 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :[inf, -inf, nan] < 1382889765 33774 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Python also. < 1382889839 702796 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/0*)<*>[1,-1,0] < 1382889841 153903 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : Couldn't match expected type `[a0 -> b0]' < 1382889841 299306 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : with actual type `a1... < 1382889845 167414 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :oops < 1382889851 614734 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :> (1/0*)<$>[1,-1,0] < 1382889852 823417 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd PRIVMSG #esoteric : [Infinity,-Infinity,NaN] < 1382889923 890732 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382890022 378910 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I am wondering < 1382890040 184809 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Does the lazy vs eager evaluation have a parallel with queue vs stack? < 1382890065 828249 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like you can implement it via piling or queueing instructions < 1382890463 672670 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 QUIT :Quit: Leaving < 1382890590 822482 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think queuing instructions doesn't correspond to any of those evaluation strategies. < 1382890619 337904 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Okay < 1382890714 624679 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :stacks are cool for scopes < 1382890736 27528 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :queues are not cool, but more likely to give you turing-completeness :) < 1382890793 849096 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca JOIN :#esoteric < 1382890926 521647 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well I don't really worry about turing completeness < 1382890935 742194 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I'm trying to mash together 5 Turing complete languages < 1382890940 395074 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :It should be fine < 1382890971 400683 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :we want names < 1382890983 947888 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :you know what would be good < 1382890984 490739 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Same old thang : http://esolangs.org/wiki/Limp < 1382891000 886732 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :combining 5 turing complete languages in such a way that it's no longer turing complete < 1382891018 578111 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :nys : That would be quite a fuck up < 1382891031 668888 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1382891055 397966 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i mean it would be a challenge in and of itself < 1382891080 165603 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Would it be possible? < 1382891082 917309 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :fake-completeness paradigm < 1382891087 383575 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i dunno < 1382891106 444899 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I mean, you could take those 5 languages, and restrict the language to just one of those for a particular program < 1382891111 100278 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And bam, it would be TC < 1382891126 594617 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :For that to work, you'd have to add restrictions on those languages as well < 1382891133 216161 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :well it depends on how they're combined < 1382891163 573290 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :what combining means < 1382891172 598602 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess! < 1382891185 42562 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :But I can't think off the cuff on how that would work < 1382891301 141213 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :what if a program in your language consists in a pipeline of five programs, each in one of the five turing-complete languages < 1382891327 692895 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :but the pipeline is such that it is no longer possible to do anything you want < 1382891338 87405 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :because, err, maybe encoding of input and output is fucked up < 1382891365 897105 :nys!~YXWX@blk-142-60-139.eastlink.ca PRIVMSG #esoteric :i like the idea of it looking like it should work but not actually working < 1382891388 672377 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Hm < 1382891394 489473 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if you could try mixing it up < 1382891397 796711 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like say < 1382891406 495944 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Take recursive functions and Lisp < 1382891417 985542 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And switch the operators < 1382891435 697349 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like suddenly cons car cdr are applied (in some way) to numbers, and succ to lists < 1382891458 228659 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :In such a way that it makes sense, but isn't TC anymore < 1382891472 291759 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Like Succ(list) = (list,Nil) and such < 1382891483 64667 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :'succ' feels like cons except you forgot to tell it what element to add to the list < 1382891583 238821 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well I'm off to watch Gravity maybe it'll give me ideas :) < 1382891588 680272 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net QUIT :Quit: The struct held his beloved integer in his strong, protecting arms, his eyes like sapphire orbs staring into her own. "W-will you... Will you union me?" < 1382891916 827965 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Plugged an old Wacom tablet in the same hub where a memory card reader was: http://sprunge.us/HWNi < 1382892460 66697 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382892535 854506 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382893427 124327 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Dang coding is hard to get back to < 1382893433 55768 :Slereah!x@176.222.51.233 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Didn't code in C in 4 years < 1382893861 471323 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382893935 896944 :Phantom___Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1382894037 713084 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1382894436 18859 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382895692 611226 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1382896043 818368 :zzo38!~zzo38@24-207-49-17.eastlink.ca QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382896739 848630 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382897893 681520 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382897985 882856 :heroux!~heroux@5070831D.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382898493 401807 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382898683 727445 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382898742 661601 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:e963:c52:7bc3:ac6a QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382898936 574119 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a4c6:b1e:34f7:9f9e JOIN :#esoteric < 1382899254 194293 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382899529 588640 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382899755 682592 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Douglas Hofstadter is so very infuriating when I try and get something solid out of reading his books. < 1382899760 426852 :heroux!~heroux@5070831D.static.ziggozakelijk.nl QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1382899804 771653 :heroux!~heroux@50708181.static.ziggozakelijk.nl JOIN :#esoteric < 1382899840 77569 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :that's because there is very little solid in them < 1382899884 475624 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Chris%20Pressey#Esoteric_Reading_List.21 < 1382899913 838244 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I know. I hoped and hoped wrong. < 1382899932 363274 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382899981 473405 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :hi < 1382899997 684774 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :for the record Gravity has the Koen seal of approval < 1382900033 632691 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :where would we be without gravity, after all < 1382900087 202887 :Koen_!~Koen@vbo91-6-78-245-243-132.fbx.proxad.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :well Sandra Bullock could answer that < 1382900177 833571 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I saw the title "fluid concepts and creative analogies" and thought that there would be some useful techniques I could use for when I wanted to figure out if two things were similar. But the programs in the book are not good at what they do, or illuminating in how they do it. < 1382900412 358505 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :it was useful in that he blasted some competitors and so I was able to find the competitor's useful work < 1382900745 832029 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382900855 607457 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :doesthiswork: haha < 1382900877 133939 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1382900897 108657 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :elliott: I mostly agree, although I still think the beginning of GEB is a solid introduction to metamathematics < 1382900937 593553 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :His book about translating a french poem is also enjoyable because there are no computers involved < 1382900970 942418 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :things that don't involve computers are often enjoyable < 1382900991 633493 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: i disagree! < 1382901032 389140 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: GEB was like 10% expanding the way I think, 40% enjoying the dialogues, 50% being bored of the hundred-page step-by-step formal logic derivations and sceptical of the "brain = Godel!!!!1111" crap < 1382901038 401412 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :it's... a mess < 1382901062 862786 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :yep < 1382901065 218561 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :a hot mess < 1382901104 32957 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think it's worth reading iff you have a lot of free time and aren't going to buy into his theory of consciousness < 1382901151 794064 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :as a 12 year old kid I loved it. < 1382901184 361366 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :although I had a tendency to only read the dialogues. < 1382901203 822475 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :being 12 also helps < 1382901219 684464 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :I was 11 or something I think < 1382901233 686007 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i was 12 when i read it < 1382901241 83066 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe 11 tho < 1382901241 368600 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :21:03 < kmc> achilles and the tortoise rob a liquor store < 1382901475 329041 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 PRIVMSG #esoteric :i still need to read it < 1382901680 85009 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :fair enough if you want to, but I doubt that you need to < 1382901769 803215 :kmc!~keegan@ec2-50-17-127-187.compute-1.amazonaws.com PRIVMSG #esoteric :== < 1382901871 241037 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :hth? < 1382901950 267901 :avid!~fuhQ@uncommon.pw QUIT :Quit: leaving < 1382902806 559010 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382902864 756320 :asie!~textual@178235038113.elblag.vectranet.pl QUIT :Quit: My MacBook Pro has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz... < 1382902900 312701 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 245 seconds < 1382903763 31558 :muzdisk!~guest@188.64.134.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382903897 981144 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382904011 653271 :muzdisk!~guest@188.64.134.19 QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382904400 718429 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382904505 924770 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382904799 431911 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin NICK :shikhin < 1382904984 658156 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382905006 909852 :scientists!~guest@188.64.134.19 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382905022 537209 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu QUIT :Read error: Connection reset by peer < 1382905047 382105 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr JOIN :#esoteric < 1382905059 781157 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :kmc: http://babelstone.blogspot.com/2013/10/whats-new-in-unicode-70.html < 1382905081 816882 :sebbu!~sebbu@ADijon-152-1-25-53.w83-194.abo.wanadoo.fr QUIT :Changing host < 1382905081 962783 :sebbu!~sebbu@unaffiliated/sebbu JOIN :#esoteric < 1382905205 432358 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :about time they added 1F595 < 1382905452 682105 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382905466 80363 :scientists!~guest@188.64.134.19 QUIT :Remote host closed the connection < 1382905581 810339 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 265 seconds < 1382905636 261093 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382905779 891159 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 260 seconds < 1382906623 753855 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382906747 726502 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382907051 926593 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382907141 512458 :copumpkin!~copumpkin@unaffiliated/copumpkin NICK :propumpkin < 1382907188 451679 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1382907194 258944 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? coconut < 1382907198 811710 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :coconut? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1382907424 147569 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? conut < 1382907425 772010 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :conut? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1382907649 212949 :Sgeo!~quassel@ool-ad034ea6.dyn.optonline.net JOIN :#esoteric < 1382907853 386779 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? nut < 1382907855 164149 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :nut? ¯\(°_o)/¯ < 1382907912 45633 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :so has anyone made cobrainfuck? < 1382907948 201404 :myname!~myname@84.200.43.57 PRIVMSG #esoteric :what should that be < 1382907988 908727 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :would making a cobrainfuck derivative unbrick your brain? < 1382907989 585737 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I don't know, elliot's the one with the esoteric math knowledge < 1382908071 139918 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd QUIT :Ping timeout: 252 seconds < 1382908290 587317 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382908672 621692 :Diren!~1538@78.171.168.66 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382908954 323525 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382909005 10835 :Diren!~1538@78.171.168.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric : Selamlar. < 1382909088 455482 :shikhin__!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 240 seconds < 1382909128 815478 :Selamlar!0597401f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.151.64.31 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382909140 978244 :Selamlar!0597401f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I HAVE BEEN SUMMONED < 1382909167 674893 :Diren!~1538@78.171.168.66 PRIVMSG #esoteric ::D < 1382909195 511679 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :`welcome Diren < 1382909198 61708 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Diren: Welcome to the international hub for esoteric programming language design and deployment! For more information, check out our wiki: http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page. (For the other kind of esoterica, try #esoteric on irc.dal.net.) < 1382909457 807442 :Selamlar!0597401f@gateway/web/freenode/ip.5.151.64.31 QUIT :Quit: Page closed < 1382909994 979201 :MindlessDrone!~MindlessD@141.70.114.6 QUIT :Quit: MindlessDrone < 1382909998 851428 :carado!~user4539@2a01:e35:8b61:e430:6ef0:49ff:fe73:1fd0 QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382910063 582882 :Diren!~1538@78.171.168.66 QUIT : < 1382910088 37536 :augur_!~augur@216-164-48-148.c3-0.slvr-ubr1.lnh-slvr.md.cable.rcn.com NICK :augur < 1382910271 885807 :shikhin_!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382910509 288288 :lambdabot!lambdabot@2a01:7e00::f03c:91ff:fedf:9fdd JOIN :#esoteric < 1382910586 352249 :doesthiswork!~Adium@98.145.118.186 QUIT :Quit: Leaving. < 1382911318 362867 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382911360 764613 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Tomorrow is probably my favourite Eurovision day < 1382911494 223474 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Max SendQ exceeded < 1382911526 82025 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I wonder if the UK will ever have a decent entry ever again < 1382911540 241304 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin JOIN :#esoteric < 1382911674 590441 :variable!root@freebsd/developer/variable NICK :trout < 1382911870 535602 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :You have your Eurovision participant thingy during the autumn? < 1382911893 259849 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :We do? < 1382911906 958871 :pikhq!~pikhq@2602:100:4751:9692:922b:34ff:fed8:75d PRIVMSG #esoteric :Eurovision? < 1382911912 291821 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Aye < 1382911976 297390 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :FireFly, I don't think we do, I'm just thinking about EuroVision < 1382911987 711702 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :Oh < 1382912036 247113 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :And it's normally just decided by the BBC < 1382912046 640840 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I think a couple of years ago they had a talent contest? < 1382912085 600782 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :We usually have one each year to decide who is to represent Sweden < 1382912099 229795 :FireFly!~firefly@oftn/member/FireFly PRIVMSG #esoteric :http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melodifestivalen < 1382912101 883583 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :I guess it works for you < 1382912144 981377 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :We have a thing too. < 1382912152 142393 :fizzie!fis@unaffiliated/fizzie PRIVMSG #esoteric :Though I'm not sure it has any sort of proper name. < 1382912156 173625 :olsner!~salparot@c83-252-203-32.bredband.comhem.se PRIVMSG #esoteric :Taneb: o.O you don't get to vote!? < 1382912170 549661 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :olsner, that is decided by the BBC < 1382912182 528287 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :Well, we get to vote in the Eurovision final itself < 1382912427 76961 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382912446 777011 :shikhin!~Shikhin@unaffiliated/shikhin QUIT :Read error: Connection timed out < 1382913129 196388 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a4c6:b1e:34f7:9f9e QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds < 1382913147 717746 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead QUIT :Ping timeout: 248 seconds < 1382913207 915985 :Phantom__Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover QUIT :Ping timeout: 272 seconds < 1382913259 131463 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no JOIN :#esoteric < 1382913377 373790 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre JOIN :#esoteric < 1382914742 38799 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover JOIN :#esoteric < 1382915434 438512 :conehead!~conehead@unaffiliated/conehead JOIN :#esoteric < 1382915567 699285 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric : http://esolangs.org/wiki/User:Chris%20Pressey#Esoteric_Reading_List.21 <-- does his inclusion of ANKOS at the end mean the two previous are meant ironically as well? < 1382915600 436008 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :*previous ones < 1382915635 52391 :Taneb!~Taneb@5.151.64.31 PRIVMSG #esoteric :GEB is worth a read < 1382915644 427269 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i think i started on it once. < 1382915668 839612 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :but hey, i can already quine backwards and forwards, so what can it teach me. < 1382915784 265826 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :cpressey was not impressed by GEB, no < 1382915820 281798 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :as i recall he summed it up to me as 750 pages of recursion as a religious experience < 1382915827 906094 :elliott!~elliott@unaffiliated/elliott PRIVMSG #esoteric :he didn't unambiguously hate Laws of Form, though. there are degrees of irony! < 1382915869 697808 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i thought laws of form was the dumbest of the lot < 1382915901 890345 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :ankos has nice pictures, you cannot deny that. < 1382915969 559492 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find some deep satisfaction that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier < 1382916037 428006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i find some deep satisfaction that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier < 1382916042 360022 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1123) i find some deep satisfaction that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier < 1382916059 519526 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :aaaaargh that should've been *in the fact that < 1382916081 166006 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :i cannot add a non-literal quote, you know. < 1382916092 860757 :shachaf!~shachaf@unaffiliated/shachaf PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: quick, say the whole thing < 1382916136 165792 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :Phantom_Hoover: it's ok i've been bitten by it myself. < 1382916143 105225 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :iirc. < 1382916145 770098 :Phantom_Hoover!~phantomho@unaffiliated/phantom-hoover PRIVMSG #esoteric :i find some deep satisfaction in the fact that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier < 1382916161 307377 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`addquote i find some deep satisfaction in the fact that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier < 1382916165 598749 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :1124) i find some deep satisfaction in the fact that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier < 1382916193 984793 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`delquote 1123 < 1382916199 570993 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :​*poof* i find some deep satisfaction that the legacy wolfram will leave is as the man who made calculus homework orders of magnitude easier < 1382916382 856156 :Sprocklem!~Sprocklem@S010674440130be65.cg.shawcable.net QUIT :Ping timeout: 246 seconds < 1382916949 829541 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe QUIT :Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.90.1 [Firefox 24.0/20130910160258] < 1382916972 963992 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run echo 'Ezoterik programlama dili tasarım ve dağıtım için uluslararası merkezi hoş geldiniz! Http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page: Daha fazla bilgi için, bizim wiki göz atın. (Esoterica diğer tür için, irc.dal.net üzerinde # ezoterik deneyin.)' >wisdom/selamlar < 1382916976 586638 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1382917061 787334 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :_maybe_ it shouldn't translate the dal.net irc channel name. < 1382917103 463701 :KingOfKarlsruhe!~chatzilla@unaffiliated/kingofkarlsruhe JOIN :#esoteric < 1382917209 654805 :mnoqy!~okay@pool-98-108-206-220.snloca.dsl-w.verizon.net PRIVMSG #esoteric :maybe < 1382917251 377866 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ezoterik/esoteric/' wisdom/selamlar < 1382917255 111698 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1382917262 789120 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`? selamlar < 1382917265 89284 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :Ezoterik programlama dili tasarım ve dağıtım için uluslararası merkezi hoş geldiniz! Http://esolangs.org/wiki/Main_Page: Daha fazla bilgi için, bizim wiki göz atın. (Esoterica diğer tür için, irc.dal.net üzerinde # esoteric deneyin.) < 1382917273 488354 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :hm.. < 1382917288 361834 :oerjan!oerjan@sprocket.nvg.ntnu.no PRIVMSG #esoteric :`run sed -i 's/ esoteric/esoteric/' wisdom/selamlar < 1382917292 160445 :HackEgo!dlopen@libdl.so PRIVMSG #esoteric :No output. < 1382917326 157512 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a4c6:b1e:34f7:9f9e JOIN :#esoteric < 1382917878 984011 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a4c6:b1e:34f7:9f9e QUIT :Quit: Ping timeout: 1337 seconds < 1382917908 973516 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a4c6:b1e:34f7:9f9e JOIN :#esoteric < 1382918065 239366 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a4c6:b1e:34f7:9f9e QUIT :Client Quit < 1382918099 171185 :^v!~DerpHerp@2601:4:4500:887:a4c6:b1e:34f7:9f9e JOIN :#esoteric < 1382918155 286271 :nooodl_!~nooodl@91.176.144.30 JOIN :#esoteric < 1382918170 638205 :nooodl!~nooodl@91.176.135.78 QUIT :Disconnected by services < 1382918345 924108 :nisstyre!~yours@oftn/member/Nisstyre QUIT :Quit: Leaving